KIM KARDASHIAN

Join Alex in the studio for an interview with Kim Kardashian! Kim goes through her most iconic moments, pulls pranks on her sisters, and discusses her business empire. She also opens up about the state of coparenting, healing from her divorce, and her current dating life. Enjoy!

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Alex Cooper?

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• 2:13Alex Cooper?

  What is up, daddy gang? It is your Father Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy.

• 2:22Alex Cooper?

  Kim Kardashian, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  Thank you. Thank you for having me.

• 2:26Alex Cooper?

  I'm so happy you're here. What did you do today? Because obviously it's a little later in the day. What have you been up to?

• 2:31Speaker 01

  School run.

• 2:32Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 2:33Speaker 01

  Came home, meeting, a security meeting with my security team.

• 2:39Alex Cooper?

  How often do we do that?

• 2:40Speaker 01

  Um, every so often, just to assess everything.

• 2:43Alex Cooper?

  Tune things up, tighten it up.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then I got ready. And then I did a Nike Skims call on the way here, multitasking and this. And then I'm gonna go hang with one of my friends later.

• 2:58Alex Cooper?

  Love. Um, you have been, without a doubt, one of the most highly requested people for me to have on the show since the day I started it. Oh, Kim, shut up. Look, you're Kim fucking Kardashian. Everyone has been like, we need to see this mashup. We need to see what goes down. So I am so excited that we're finally here.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  We needed to do this.

• 3:20Alex Cooper?

  Like, we've known it was gonna happen. I feel like one day in our souls.

• 3:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:24Alex Cooper?

  But it was about when.

• 3:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:25Alex Cooper?

  And this feels right.

• 3:26Speaker 01

  It feels right. Now is right.

• 3:28Alex Cooper?

  You've been in the public eye for over two decades. What has been one of the most insane things that you've been ever asked in an interview?

• 3:35Speaker 01

  You know what's so funny is Khloe sent in our group chat, our family chat, this interview that we did on The View. And they, it was like Courtney, me and Khloe. And they just like looked at Khloe and I bet you could pull this up. It was like going online. And they were just like, how does it feel, Khloe, to just like look so different than Courtney and Kim? And it was just the way that they were asking questions. It was just that you could never get away with that today.

• 4:08Alex Cooper?

  It is crazy. I have seen so many people's interviews pop back up from the old days. And you're like, wait, she said what to her? Whether it was about weight, looks?

• 4:17Speaker 01

  It was about weight. It was about looks. It was about everything. And it was just so crazy that like, that's what, it just was okay at that time.

• 4:27Alex Cooper?

  It also makes me so sad and I would love to hear how you as a sister supported her because when I interviewed Khloe, she now has such a lightness about the topic because time has gone on where she was like, oh my God, I used to get all this shit about me and it hurt back then, but now I'm so secure in myself. But like in those moments in interviews where you were aware people were doing that to her and like

• 4:47Speaker 01

  No, no. Maybe sometimes, but because like she would, her responses were so great though. She'd be like, wait, what? What? You're as like, she was like, I can't believe you're asking me this. This is insane. And I can't believe, I mean, I guess Courtney and I should have maybe stuck up for her publicly a little bit more when that was happening. I think we just wanted to, we didn't know. These are like our first set of interviews, our first time on these shows. Like what can we say? What can't we? But just to look back and to know that that's how interviews were conducted is kind of crazy.

• 5:25Alex Cooper?

  It's beyond inappropriate.

• 5:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:28Alex Cooper?

  Okay. So that's the negative side. The other side is how many times you've broken the internet is there are too many to count.

• 5:35Speaker 01

  It's so fun to do that.

• 5:36Alex Cooper?

  You're so good at it. You're really good at it, sweetie. So keep it going. But you've done it so many times. What do you think has been your most favorite moment?

• 5:46Speaker 01

  I mean,

• 5:49Speaker 01

  maybe when we did the paper magazine cover and we came up with that phrase, break the internet, you know?

• 5:57Alex Cooper?

  That photo will forever, I was literally thinking about, I'm like, I think that's how I'm going to tease this episode is I'm going to try to balance a glass on my ass. I don't think it's going to even stay for a fucking second, but I'm going to do my best. Did you actually balance it on your ass or is that full Photoshop?

• 6:13Speaker 01

  That we had like a padding and then we put it on top because it had to like sit perfectly straight. So you can tell that's like not my ass. It's like a padding with that. But I just remember that shoot was so crazy because I was having dinner with my mom right after. And I don't, I don't know. I went and worked with John Paul Good, who does like the craziest shoots and it was one shot. And I was like, I pulled him aside and I was like, hey, like, It's me. There's no publicist here. There's no one here. Like, you want to shoot one, like, one more? Like, something other than just this one shot? And the one shot was, I think, the, the one with the glass on my butt. But I was like,

• 6:58Speaker 01

  let's do something else. So he's like, okay. And he's like, had to go back, sketch it out, think about it, and was like, let's, like, rip it off, or like, something. And I was like, I'm down. And then I go to dinner with my mom later. She's like, how was the shoot? And I was like, oh, it was good, whatever. And then when that shoot came out, I was living at my mom's house. And I just remember her, like, screaming down the hall, like, what did you do? And I just was like, what? She's like, that's what you did the night we had dinner? And you didn't even mention to me that this was the, what you were doing in the shoot? And I was like, I don't, I didn't think it was that big of a deal, you know?

• 7:37Alex Cooper?

  Dude, your mother-

• 7:38Speaker 01

  And she was pissed.

• 7:39Alex Cooper?

  She's like, Kim, how many times is this gonna happen in my life where I'm like, Kimberly? But then she's also like, okay, send me my 10%, bitch.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  Totally. Like, we give her heart attacks.

• 7:50Alex Cooper?

  But it's gotten her so far.

• 7:51Speaker 01

  I, I don't know how I would deal as a mom. I'm gonna have to.

• 7:56Alex Cooper?

  You, oh, well, you're gonna have to.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  I do.

• 7:59Alex Cooper?

  I was gonna say, we're gonna get to that. But do you think your mom is unfazed now? Is there, do you think there's anything you actually could do that your mom would be like, actually, what the fuck?

• 8:08Speaker 01

  I think every time we say that, something comes up, and then it's like, what the fuck? But there is this thing where, like, we are a little bit desensitized. Like, I said today, I was like, you guys, holy fucking shit. Mom, you're on a Vogue cover. Kendall, you're on a Vogue cover. A Vogue cover that I did came out today. I was like, are we going to, like, lose our minds in our family chat today? Cause like-

• 8:36Alex Cooper?

  And celebrate.

• 8:36Speaker 01

  How are three family members on the same month of different Vogs? Like, that's just such a trip to me. Like, this can never get old, you know?

• 8:45Alex Cooper?

  Such a good point.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  And so, we do talk about stuff like that.

• 8:48Alex Cooper?

  Okay, good. Cause I feel like when you become more normalized to things and desensitized-

• 8:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:54Alex Cooper?

  You can forget that, like, no, this is iconic. Yes, maybe the first cover of Vogue was iconic, but then also, again, being on Vogue is still iconic, and you can still celebrate.

• 9:03Speaker 01

  It's still like, just nothing in this life will ever get old-

• 9:06Alex Cooper?

  It's so good. Um, okay. I want to go through some of my favorite moments similar to that cover that I just think everyone on the internet will remember, especially if they were from OG days. We're gonna start with the classic.

• 9:19Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 9:19Alex Cooper?

  Losing your diamond earring in Bora Bora. Through and through, it is a viral TikTok audio still now. It has been repurposed. People love it. Is there anything that you can tell us about that moment that we don't know about? Or even just like a memory from it?

• 9:35Speaker 01

  That was like one of my first biggest purchases. So they weren't insured yet. That's why I was so upset is because that would be money down the drain. If I insured them, then I can just like claim them and then I could have gotten my money back. But I hadn't insured them. I got them that week. Kylie dove down, found it with her goggles in the ocean and then went back and found the earring back. So I have the full, exact earring.

• 10:04Alex Cooper?

  We, and which, I forget which sister was like giving you shit.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  Courtney. It's always Courtney. Yeah. Yeah.

• 10:11Alex Cooper?

  I shouldn't have even asked.

• 10:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:12Alex Cooper?

  I knew it in my heart.

• 10:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:13Alex Cooper?

  Okay. What is something in your closet now that you, if you lost, would have a similar level crash out?

• 10:19Speaker 01

  Oh, I have a level of that of like a, a bag that I just got into a fight with. A sister mom fight over that I crashed out like that. So.

• 10:30Alex Cooper?

  They took it?

• 10:32Speaker 01

  Oh, it's a, it's a long story.

• 10:33Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 10:34Speaker 01

  I had this bag, this like Hermes Birkin shoulder bag, JPG designed 90s. I had one. They only made like five versions of it. So I was like, oh, I want to collect every one, but they're so rare. You can never find them. Do I send a picture of it to my mom and tell her? Or is she gonna copy me on this?

• 10:57Alex Cooper?

  Does she often copy? Okay.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  So I was like, okay. You know what? Fuck it. I'm gonna send her the picture. I'm gonna say, hey, here's the campaign. Here's the runway images. Here's the bag. If you ever find it, I want it. So.

• 11:15Speaker 01

  Go to her house and I decided I was busy studying and I said, I'm not gonna like respond to my texts or anything for like two weeks. So the store texts me and says, we found the bag. It's here. Do you want it? I wrote back, negotiated, got the price down. Forgot to respond to say, yes, I want it. Cause then I said, I'm putting my phone down for this like last week that I really need to focus, which I've never done in my life. So I was like, I don't care who it is. I'm not responding. See my mom and Chloe and my mom goes, oh, it's one of your sister's birthday. Who wants to go in on a bat? And then she goes, oh. And talks to Chloe and was like, you know, so I was like, oh my God, she got me the bag for my birthday and she just like got it early and she's gonna hold on to it. Okay. I'm for sure. I'm not

• 11:58Speaker 01

  gonna respond because I know she just got me the bag. I can tell by what she just did. Anyway.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  Kylie posts this bag for her birthday, being like, thanks, mom, whatever, for the bag. I call my mom and I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? Like I turn into a monster. I have like rage. And I'm like rage texting her like. And my mom's like, I have no idea what you're talking about. Kylie just sent me a birthday list. I go, no, no, no, I have the same birthday list. It's not on there. Oh, I must have a different one. I call her assistant. Not on there. She, Kim, I have no clue what you're talking about. I go, mom, I, I had a full conversation with you. So I find it. I screenshot it. I screenshot my conversation with the store about whatever, the whole thing.

• 12:46Alex Cooper?

  You're such a receipts girl. I can already feel it. You're like, let me show you the exact time you did this.

• 12:51Speaker 01

  I did. And I was raging.

• 12:53Alex Cooper?

  Wait, so does Kylie have it?

• 12:55Speaker 01

  She has it, but she doesn't even know that we had this whole fight. So can I tell you the sweetest thing?

• 12:59Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 13:00Speaker 01

  Chloe goes, Kim, I feel so bad. I never knew that you were like obsessed, but I kinda knew you were obsessed because.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  Your whole team said, if you ever find this bag, if anyone wants to get one for Kim for her birthday, get it. So Khloe goes, come over. I got you one for your birthday. And I'm going to give it to you months early because I feel so bad. And she gave it to me.

• 13:23Alex Cooper?

  Khloe is such a real one.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:25Alex Cooper?

  Dude, and Kylie probably, has she used it yet? She doesn't even know.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  And it's so, she doesn't even know we're fighting over it. It is so ridiculous over a bag, but it was my most recent crush out.

• 13:36Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so is Kylie the favorite?

• 13:41Speaker 01

  I think a little bit. And I think that that's okay. I think she's the baby. And I think that, but like, I think it's warranted. I think she like, has a really close relationship with my mom and is really sweet. I think like Khloe's also a big favorite. I don't know every, she has like a different relationship with everyone, but I would say it's Kylie and Khloe.

• 14:05Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Um, okay. 2011, we're going back. Any memories? Getting your butt x-rayed to prove it was real. I think this was like,

• 14:14Speaker 01

  Wasn't that ridiculous?

• 14:15Alex Cooper?

  Season,

• 14:16Speaker 01

  Or just that,

• 14:17Alex Cooper?

  Season six?

• 14:18Speaker 01

  That's a thing, you know, but it was fun. Like, I think we even said, like, oh, my gosh, let's go do this.

• 14:24Alex Cooper?

  I remember that broke the internet, kind of, because everyone's like, what a concept that she's like,

• 14:28Speaker 01

  And an x-ray. Yeah.

• 14:30Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, taking selfies on the way to drop Khloe off at jail. We'll never forget. Kim, stop taking selfies.

• 14:37Speaker 01

  I found so many of those in my computer. I keep everything.

• 14:40Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I was gonna ask you, do, so you have it?

• 14:43Speaker 01

  I have all of them. Yeah.

• 14:44Alex Cooper?

  So when I, I know everyone knows, like, Paris always iconically talks about how she has all of the laptops, almost per boyfriend, and she keeps everything. So you have,

• 14:53Speaker 01

  I have it all together on a hard drive and on my laptop. And like, I upload it, like, so I'm, what I do on my plane rides and my spare time is I have folders of like, every, Person in my life that's ever been in my life, every family member, everything that ever I like photo that goes on my phone, I upload them. So I just like spend time. So each kid has every single year in picture form, video form, like every video that I've ever taken, every event, I every, you know,

• 15:25Alex Cooper?

  Every ex-boyfriend.

• 15:26Speaker 01

  Everything, every, everything.

• 15:29Alex Cooper?

  Cause you kind of have to keep it.

• 15:30Speaker 01

  Saved everything.

• 15:31Alex Cooper?

  You're a receipts queen. You know.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  That's like the, yeah.

• 15:35Alex Cooper?

  Oh, I keep like screenshots of conversations.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  If they're cute conversations.

• 15:41Alex Cooper?

  Mine are a little like.

• 15:42Speaker 01

  I, I keep them like just as like sweet memories to remember. I, I do have a problem of like only remembering the good. That's like something that is like a thing.

• 15:53Alex Cooper?

  Okay. I mean, I guess that's better than only remembering the bad.

• 15:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 15:57Alex Cooper?

  But I could see where that could go wrong, where someone comes back in your life and everyone's like, no, Kim, they literally fucked you over. But I feel like you wouldn't go back to someone that fucked you over. Or would you?

• 16:06Speaker 01

  Um, I'm a really forgiving person.

• 16:12Speaker 01

  But I really haven't dated like that to like have those kinds of toxic relationships.

• 16:18Alex Cooper?

  Yep.

• 16:20Speaker 01

  Since I've been divorced, you know, like, I feel like that dating world is so, like from what I remember I would have, it would have been like, I would have been way younger. And like, I think when you get older, you just don't tolerate that shit.

• 16:33Alex Cooper?

  You don't have time.

• 16:33Speaker 01

  You know?

• 16:35Alex Cooper?

  Your 2021 all black Matt Gaughan look. Okay.

• 16:40Alex Cooper?

  Talk to me about when you went inside. Did you take it off?

• 16:44Speaker 01

  No.

• 16:45Alex Cooper?

  So did you not eat?

• 16:46Speaker 01

  No.

• 16:46Alex Cooper?

  You didn't drink?

• 16:47Speaker 01

  No.

• 16:48Alex Cooper?

  You just kept this thing on all night?

• 16:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:50Alex Cooper?

  No one saw your face?

• 16:51Speaker 01

  No, I was committed.

• 16:53Alex Cooper?

  Kim, well, we know you always commit.

• 16:55Speaker 01

  I was committed. I was really nervous wearing that and Dama, the designer was really good at.

• 17:03Speaker 01

  Okay, you don't really have to wear the mask, but like, let's talk about it. Let's like, think it through. Let's like, you know, and that was like, the thing. And he was like, an all wear one, and we'll just like, you know, he doesn't really like to, he's really uncomfortable with those events and really being out. So I was like, okay, perfect. If like, you're here with me and then, you know.

• 17:25Alex Cooper?

  Okay, there were rumors that you wore it over your face because you had gotten a facelift that year. Confirm or deny?

• 17:32Speaker 01

  That's insane. I would absolutely

• 17:37Speaker 01

  love to show it off if I did, but no, I didn't.

• 17:41Alex Cooper?

  It was for the fashion.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  I would, that was like, years ago. I would have been like, I don't know, maybe people do them earlier these days, but no.

• 17:51Alex Cooper?

  What is a recent rumor that you've heard about yourself that actually pissed you off?

• 17:56Speaker 01

  Maybe it would like annoy me back in the day if it would link me to people that I had never met or been with, or if I had just met someone and sat next to them and said hi. And then it was like, oh, they're dating, or they slept together. And they're like, just stuff that didn't really happen. That kind of stuff used to bother me, but I don't think anything really gets to me these days.

• 18:18Alex Cooper?

  Well, we'll clear some of it up today, don't worry.

• 18:36Alex Cooper?

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• 19:19Alex Cooper?

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• 22:28Alex Cooper?

  We're gonna play a game.

• 22:29Speaker 01

  I love being in an interview where you like, don't know what the questions are. Like, things can be so contrived these days. And I love like, walking in being like, ask anything and not

• 22:39Alex Cooper?

  You're relaxed.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  Genuinely, it's fun.

• 22:42Alex Cooper?

  I think it's gonna be good. This game is, it's gonna get a little bit more heated.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 22:45Alex Cooper?

  We've got this, Kim.

• 22:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 22:47Alex Cooper?

  Okay, this is why I asked you to bring your phone into the interview.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 22:49Alex Cooper?

  It's called Confessor Text, Keeping Up With The Kardashians Edition. Here's how it works.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 22:55Alex Cooper?

  I am gonna ask you a pretty juicy question.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 23:00Alex Cooper?

  You can answer it. We go to the next one.

• 23:02Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 23:02Alex Cooper?

  If you pass on answering it, you're going to go into that bowl, you're gonna pick out a card, and it has a name and a text. You'll be texting this person that text.

• 23:12Speaker 01

  Okay, okay.

• 23:14Alex Cooper?

  Are you ready? Do you have your phone?

• 23:15Speaker 01

  Yes, I do, I do.

• 23:16Alex Cooper?

  Okay, ready? How much a year do you spend on glam?

• 23:24Speaker 01

  Well, a lot, but if I'm filming my show, then they pay for it.

• 23:31Alex Cooper?

  It's a write-off.

• 23:31Speaker 01

  If I'm working, then they pay for it. So I try to get it all paid for, so that I don't personally have to pay for it.

• 23:39Alex Cooper?

  Smart.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, but a tally. I mean, I don't have a concept of what like, certain, simple things cost, which really, um...

• 23:53Speaker 01

  Is, you know, I'd like, I'd like to know a little bit more about what like a milk carton costs and, you know, um, let me think about this.

• 24:02Alex Cooper?

  You can text.

• 24:04Speaker 01

  No.

• 24:07Speaker 01

  I mean, it's probably.

• 24:09Alex Cooper?

  You'll call your business manager.

• 24:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, I should know this, actually.

• 24:12Alex Cooper?

  You should. Like six figures, seven figures.

• 24:15Speaker 01

  It could be a million dollars, you know?

• 24:19Alex Cooper?

  I don't think I'd be surprised at that, right?

• 24:21Speaker 01

  This hair isn't cheap.

• 24:22Alex Cooper?

  Babe, it looks great.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  You know, um, but I don't, I don't know.

• 24:26Alex Cooper?

  Are those K tips?

• 24:28Speaker 01

  No. It's like my hair is to here right now. So I just like, we braided it up and just like glued them on top. There was this like blonde, Chris Appleton was doing my hair once and it was like blonde and everyone saw these tracks and everyone was like, what the fuck is happening? But we like slick my hair back and then glue it on top.

• 24:48Alex Cooper?

  So you can maintain your hair?

• 24:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, just so that my hair.

• 24:50Alex Cooper?

  I think everyone always wonders, like, how do you get that?

• 24:52Speaker 01

  I have really good hair. I have really good hair.

• 24:56Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so maybe a million dollars, maybe five.

• 24:59Speaker 01

  Not five.

• 25:00Alex Cooper?

  Not five.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  Not five.

• 25:01Alex Cooper?

  Below five, maybe one.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:03Alex Cooper?

  Okay, on to the next. Um, what is something you probably should have gotten canceled for, but didn't?

• 25:09Speaker 01

  I know what it is and I think I'm going to get canceled if I say it.

• 25:14Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I'm not bringing that shit back up?

• 25:16Speaker 01

  Like, I don't know who approved this and I don't know who thought that this was normal, this narrative. But I did a photo shoot with Justin Bieber and he was 16 years old and I don't know how old I was. And it was like a play, his, his girlfriend was there, his parents, I mean, it was like nothing creepy at all. But I look back and I'm like, that's the one thing that I feel like,

• 25:46Speaker 01

  you know, he, he's like a good, dear friend of ours and, and the whole family, but like.

• 25:55Speaker 01

  Who thought that that was a good idea? You know, I must have been 30 years old. You know?

• 26:02Alex Cooper?

  I could see that. I could see that getting murky.

• 26:04Speaker 01

  But it was a story of, what's that story with the teacher and the student? The graduate, the graduate.

• 26:12Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 26:12Speaker 01

  Right? I just feel like that was nothing ever weird was obviously happening. And like, I just think that was like an odd concept and why none of us thought that that was odd at the time. But now we look back and I'm like, that would have not been the most appropriate thing. Wait, but I've never really done anything to be canceled. Like I stand by everything that I, I've never said anything crazy. I've never done anything crazy, maybe just like by association, being around people and people thinking.

• 26:47Alex Cooper?

  You've been on the fringe a couple of times, but it's never really got you.

• 26:50Speaker 01

  What do you think that I would have done?

• 26:52Alex Cooper?

  Well, I can't say that.

• 26:53Speaker 01

  Tell me.

• 26:54Alex Cooper?

  No, I can't say it. I don't need a whole nation coming for me. Okay, go.

• 27:00Speaker 01

  Text Courtney, I just record, I just recorded, call her daddy and I want to give you a heads up of some things I said about you and I don't have edit control. I was on the phone with her, walking in on the way here, talking about

• 27:15Speaker 01

  editing and something for something else about editing.

• 27:19Alex Cooper?

  Oh God, so she'll believe this. This is kind of on brand.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  She will fully believe this. Hey, I just recorded, call her daddy and I just want to give you a heads up on some things that I said about you. Period. I don't have edit control. I'm a big voice talker.

• 27:34Alex Cooper?

  I thought you were like voice memoing her because that's text.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, because if you say period, I'm not saying like period.

• 27:41Alex Cooper?

  Okay, that's good.

• 27:42Speaker 01

  Let's see what she says.

• 27:43Alex Cooper?

  Do you think she's gonna freak out?

• 27:45Speaker 01

  No.

• 27:46Alex Cooper?

  But you guys are on good terms.

• 27:47Speaker 01

  Yes. That's like maybe a misconception that I think people think all the time. Courtney and I are like this. We are so close and we've always been so close.

• 27:58Alex Cooper?

  I think it's because when we see you guys fight, but I have a sister.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  They don't see the resolve. I'll leave it there. So she calls back. They don't see the resolve or they don't see all the moments in between. They just see us like fighting and then they drag it on for months and we're like hanging out and we'll be good. And then.

• 28:17Speaker 01

  It's just like, I think sisters just, and if you're so close and we like grew up in the same room together, like it's just not,

• 28:28Speaker 01

  we would never not make up.

• 28:29Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 28:29Speaker 01

  And we make up really quickly. So it's just like, kind of confusing or sad that to us that we think that people think that we're not that close. We're probably like the closest.

• 28:39Alex Cooper?

  I think that makes a lot of sense. I do appreciate you clarifying that because I wouldn't have expected you to say you're the closest, but I think-

• 28:45Speaker 01

  I think Chloe and I are the closest.

• 28:46Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 28:47Speaker 01

  But second, her and I just have like a lot of-

• 28:51Alex Cooper?

  Well, she's your older sister.

• 28:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:52Alex Cooper?

  I have an older sister and it's like, I can fight with her and be like, I will never speak to you again. And then I'm like, wait, what was the length that you were texting me? And she's like, I thought we were done with each other. I'm like, yeah, wait, but we will be after this. Wait, tell me. Okay.

• 29:05Speaker 01

  She's not responding. No.

• 29:07Alex Cooper?

  Okay, good. Okay. Well, next one.

• 29:09Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 29:10Alex Cooper?

  Fuck, marry, kill X's edition.

• 29:14Alex Cooper?

  Pete Davidson.

• 29:15Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 29:16Alex Cooper?

  Tom Brady.

• 29:16Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 29:17Alex Cooper?

  Chris Humphries.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. I think I'll text on this one. I'll get in way too much trouble there. Text Kylie, I'm sick to my stomach. I think mom has been doing some shady things with my money. Call me ASAP. Okay. I was just talking to her also. OMG, I'm sick to my stomach. I think mom has been doing some shady things with my money. Call me ASAP.

• 29:46Alex Cooper?

  That's sneaky smirk. Okay, wait, back. Um, one question because even though you didn't answer it-

• 29:53Speaker 01

  She's calling. Should I just put my ringer on?

• 29:55Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. Okay. You have to tell me. How serious were you and Tom Brady?

• 30:01Speaker 01

  Oh my God.

• 30:03Alex Cooper?

  Like a date? Oh, you're not going to answer that one?

• 30:05Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna answer.

• 30:08Speaker 01

  It's like, he's-

• 30:13Speaker 01

  Perfect timing. Hi.

• 30:16Speaker 02

  Are you filming or something?

• 30:21Speaker 01

  Hello?

• 30:23Speaker 02

  Filming or something?

• 30:26Speaker 01

  Hold on.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  I'm, I'm doing the call her daddy podcast and I wouldn't answer a private question. So I had to do that.

• 30:35Alex Cooper?

  We love you Kylie.

• 30:38Speaker 02

  Like, there's no fucking way. And you're too smart, bitch. You wouldn't let her fuck with you like that. Kris Jenner.

• 30:45Speaker 01

  See, see.

• 30:46Alex Cooper?

  Bye Kylie.

• 30:46Speaker 01

  Okay, bye, bye.

• 30:48Speaker 02

  Okay, wait, um, I want to come. I want to do the, I want to do it. The podcast.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  Oh, this podcast?

• 30:55Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 30:56Alex Cooper?

  Okay Kylie, you can come on next.

• 30:58Speaker 01

  Pull up.

• 30:59Speaker 02

  Everybody didn't invite me.

• 31:00Speaker 01

  Just pull up, just pull up. We'll make it a family.

• 31:03Alex Cooper?

  I'm roasting her right now.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  She is. Hurry, help me. Bye. Pull up. Bye. Love you.

• 31:09Alex Cooper?

  I love her. He's like, this is what happened when Khloe was here. Your mom was like, wait, I want to be there. You guys all get FOMO of each other? Okay, are Corey and Chris still together?

• 31:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, isn't that a weird one? That it said that they broke up? I don't know where that came from, like genuinely.

• 31:26Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so we can confirm.

• 31:27Speaker 01

  No, genuinely.

• 31:29Alex Cooper?

  In the past, have you ever hooked up with Travis Barker?

• 31:33Speaker 01

  No, I never have. Absolutely. That I do not mind you asking. I never have. And that really sucks that that has gone on, but he dated Paris. And we were all friends and we'd all like hang out. And when I was with Paris, we'd be on the road and go to like their tour in Amsterdam and like, so I have been friends with him. But never like in that way and never, yeah, never hooked up with him.

• 32:02Alex Cooper?

  Did you have any heads up that you were going to be in his memoir, like reference as the crush?

• 32:08Speaker 01

  No. No. But I, I, it would say that we never hooked up. I mean,

• 32:16Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 32:16Speaker 01

  I don't think he would allude to that information, you know? But also Courtney was around during that time. So like, they were neighbors for a decade. So like, when everyone was all hanging, like, he was always around with his kids. They'd always come to Courtney's house for all the birthdays. So it was like, everything was super like, open and cool and like, everyone's been friends. He was just as good a friends with them as he was with all of us. So it was nothing weird.

• 32:47Alex Cooper?

  What is the dumbest decision you ever made on Molly?

• 32:51Speaker 01

  I think I got married in Vegas.

• 32:54Alex Cooper?

  You did?

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:56Alex Cooper?

  That's what my research shows.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:57Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 32:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, but that was also like, I take all of my experiences. I, I said that and I have to remember if I like, was at that moment or if we did it right after, but you know, maybe just like in those days when that was like a thing for me, just maybe getting married and not telling my parents and Courtney finding it on the internet. Cause it was public record and then telling my dad and, you know? Yeah.

• 33:26Alex Cooper?

  That's pretty good.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:27Alex Cooper?

  Um, there are rumors that you've hooked up with Post Malone. What is going on there?

• 33:32Speaker 01

  Really?

• 33:32Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 33:33Speaker 01

  I've never heard that.

• 33:34Alex Cooper?

  Maybe the Skims campaign.

• 33:35Speaker 01

  But he is the nicest person ever.

• 33:37Alex Cooper?

  I'm obsessed with him.

• 33:38Speaker 01

  I will say, we FaceTimed at his campaign during the Skims campaign and he is like the nicest human being. And I wrote in our family chat and I wrote, oh my God, you guys, we just, you know, shot post for Skims and he is the nicest human being. And then Kylie sends a picture at her like 16th birthday and she's like, do you remember when he performed at my 16th birthday? And then my brother goes, oh my God, he used to sleep over and like, we would, we would hang all the time. And then Scott would be like, oh my God, yeah, remember? And I was like, oh my God, I had no idea. He was like a part of our crew and we like, all love him so much.

• 34:13Alex Cooper?

  He was one of my favorite interviews of all time.

• 34:15Speaker 01

  Really?

• 34:15Alex Cooper?

  He is.

• 34:16Speaker 01

  Did he say ma'am?

• 34:18Alex Cooper?

  I think I wanted someone to almost have a count of how many times he said ma'am.

• 34:21Speaker 01

  I was like.

• 34:22Alex Cooper?

  Don't he feel so like great when he's like speaking? You're like, oh my God, I feel so proper and loved?

• 34:27Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 34:28Alex Cooper?

  Good vibes.

• 34:29Speaker 01

  Good vibes.

• 34:29Alex Cooper?

  Okay. What is the craziest place you've ever had sex?

• 34:33Speaker 01

  Probably a movie theater.

• 34:35Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 34:36Alex Cooper?

  Fun?

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, so fun.

• 34:38Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 34:40Alex Cooper?

  Send one more text before we move on. You can pick which one you do. Take a couple.

• 34:45Speaker 01

  Okay, Chloe, my friends are trying to set me up with this guy in the NBA. Honestly, what do you think? Should I go? She would absolutely know that's a lie.

• 34:52Alex Cooper?

  She would?

• 34:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:54Alex Cooper?

  Cause you've just like NBA is off limits. Okay, do another one.

• 34:57Speaker 01

  Let's see, let's assess.

• 34:59Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, let's assess.

• 35:00Speaker 01

  To Kendall, why am I hearing rumors that you're dating Tom Brady? Be honest. Would you hate me if I booked Bad Bunny for our next skims campaign?

• 35:11Speaker 01

  Okay, okay. Let's see what our options are.

• 35:15Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 35:15Speaker 01

  Scott, I think I may be into this guy who's a lot younger. From your experience, do you think I should go for it? He'd be like, hell yeah. TMZ just reached out, call me ASAP. I mean, I could do that. My mom will call me in one second, thinking it's about her. Rob, Hulu really wants you on the next season. How much would it cost to get you on the show? He might be on the show this next season. I wonder what it costs. Um, who would be funner?

• 35:43Alex Cooper?

  Do you want to fuck with your mom? Will she be funnier? So should we come up with a TMZ thing?

• 35:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, but what would it be?

• 35:50Alex Cooper?

  Okay, what if? Should we make it about her?

• 35:54Speaker 01

  Obviously.

• 35:57Alex Cooper?

  There is a leaked photo. That's gonna come out of you and they're being really sus and they won't say what it is.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Should we see who calls back quicker, Chris or?

• 36:07Alex Cooper?

  Yes. And then I promise we'll move on. You're too fun because you have all these good sisters that will like play game.

• 36:14Speaker 01

  OMG TMZ just called me, call me right now. I'm freaking the fuck out.

• 36:20Alex Cooper?

  How many times has you have you sent a text like that to your mother?

• 36:23Speaker 01

  Um, she's either so desensitized.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  Okay. Let's see how quick it takes her to call me.

• 36:32Alex Cooper?

  While we wait, you were 27 years old when Keeping Up With The Kardashians started. When you got this offer, okay. Is it Chris?

• 36:41Speaker 01

  Quick. What do I say? What do I say?

• 36:44Alex Cooper?

  I'm freaking out. I'm just freaking out.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  Oh my God, I'm just freaking out. I'm shaking. I can't even fucking talk right now.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  What?

• 36:52Speaker 01

  I

• 36:54Speaker 01

  I can't.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  What?

• 36:57Alex Cooper?

  There's leaked photos apparently coming out.

• 37:00Speaker 01

  There's these.

• 37:01Speaker 02

  Hello? What?

• 37:05Speaker 02

  Hello?

• 37:07Speaker 01

  I'm just kidding.

• 37:10Speaker 02

  What?

• 37:12Speaker 01

  Kidding.

• 37:14Speaker 02

  Kim, are you crying?

• 37:17Speaker 02

  Kim.

• 37:19Speaker 01

  I'm.

• 37:20Speaker 02

  Kim, you keep going in and out.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  I'm kidding. I'm kidding.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  You're kidding?

• 37:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm doing a podcast, the Call Her Daddy podcast.

• 37:31Alex Cooper?

  It's me again.

• 37:34Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, you guys are fucking insane.

• 37:39Speaker 02

  I almost had a heart attack and I haven't even had my cocktail yet.

• 37:43Alex Cooper?

  I love you.

• 37:45Speaker 01

  Okay, I love you.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  Oh, God, I should know better. I should know fucking better.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  Okay, bye.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  Bye.

• 37:52Alex Cooper?

  Dude, you not being able to speak, I'm actually crying. Kim? Kim?

• 37:56Speaker 01

  She's like, what?

• 37:58Alex Cooper?

  What?

• 37:58Speaker 01

  What's wrong with you?

• 37:59Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, 27, Keeping Up with the Kardashians started. We're not gonna go all the way back, but just from your recollection, like, what did you want out of that whole experience when you got offered it?

• 38:08Speaker 01

  Oh, I just wanted to be famous. That was like the goals, like, for me at that time. I just was like, I thought this was so fun, so cool. I didn't even think we'd get to like a second season. It wasn't like a long-term goal plan wasn't in my thought process at that point. Um, I was really business-oriented always, so like, I would have worked and wanted to just do anything like that, you know, like, had a store. I would have done any of that. When the show opportunity came about, I was just like, this is our moment. This is our time. And like, you know, Kourtney didn't want to be on and Khloe

• 38:51Speaker 01

  was like, whatever you want us to do. And my mom and I kind of like saw that vision, that Kendall and Kylie were so young, Rob was game for anything. And it was just such a fun experience. And honestly, the show has just brought us so much closer together. Having to like get up every day and work with your family, I mean, it would break a lot of people, but it really brought us like so close together.

• 39:15Alex Cooper?

  I feel like throughout the years, we have seen so much play out of your guys' lives on the world stage. If you had to say, what do you think was the hardest thing that you all had to go through publicly?

• 39:32Speaker 01

  Maybe the transition of my stepdad. I think that my mom didn't know how to handle it. Imagine Kendall and Kylie are like losing their father in their mind. And at that time, Kaitlyn wasn't very open with us about her transition and just kind of came out with it. So we had lots of different mixed emotions. I know Khloe was super emotional and upset about it. So we just never, you know, we're like, learning this all for the first time. And then we want to be supportive for our little sisters, trying to be supportive for my mom that's now getting a divorce and making sure we don't say anything super

• 40:15Speaker 01

  offensive, or even asking questions of like, what does this mean? And what is this term? And what is this? Like, we, we didn't really know anything. So we just had to kind of figure it out. And we did it all on camera.

• 40:27Alex Cooper?

  How do you think you guys got through all of that?

• 40:29Speaker 01

  It just family. That's how we get through everything. We have each other.

• 40:34Alex Cooper?

  You had your dad pass away the same year that you got your first divorce?

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 40:41Alex Cooper?

  How did both of those experiences of loss in the same year impact and shape you as a person?

• 40:48Speaker 01

  Well, my dad's dad passed away three months before my dad. So she lost her dad, and then her ex husband. So it was a lot of loss. My dad was actually helping me with that divorce, um, with a legal team and helping me like, process that. I mean, I think that

• 41:09Speaker 01

  it was definitely a loss, but I was so young. I got married at 19. My dad passed away at 22. So I was just 22. You don't know a whole lot. Definitely a lot of loss and change. I was obviously super affected when my dad passed away. Um, and affected, like for, for the divorce, we were together for, for a few years. But I didn't really know what that meant then. And I was so focused on just like my dad and spending all the time with my dad that I could in those last like, six weeks. So, yeah, it, losing someone.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  And you know, your whole life will be changed forever is a really hard thing to go through. But um, you know, again, family, we did it together.

• 41:59Alex Cooper?

  How do you think losing your dad impacted your, if at all, your future romantic relationships and who you chose in partners?

• 42:09Speaker 01

  I would have thought that I had, I had the best example of a dad. The best everything. He had the best relationship with my mom during their divorce was super respectful. Afterwards, when you know, my mom remarried, like everything about him was super stand up and respectful. So I saw by example, what life can be like and how you should be treated and who you should, the type of person you should have in your life. So I think that I have made not similar choices to that. And that's um, confusing to me because I had such a great example that you would think that my,

• 42:55Speaker 01

  I would have just like picked a little bit more close to what I saw. So um,

• 43:01Alex Cooper?

  Are you hard on yourself for that?

• 43:03Speaker 01

  No, I think that like, there's so many lessons in life. And if it was all perfect, like life would be so boring.

• 43:10Alex Cooper?

  So boring.

• 43:11Speaker 01

  So I I'm totally good with the decisions and choices that have gone on and that I've made and I take accountability for them. And you, you learn and you have fun and you know, like, there's so many good, even in like all these, you know, relationships that might not have turned out that way. Like, I still had so much fun and learned a lot. So.

• 43:32Alex Cooper?

  You and Kanye were together for over almost 10 years about?

• 43:38Speaker 01

  A little over, almost 15 years we were together.

• 43:41Alex Cooper?

  Going back to those kind of beginning happy days, like what initially drew you to him?

• 43:47Speaker 01

  I mean, he was like larger than life and so smart and just always talked about like new ideas and things that I wasn't really familiar with. And I was always learning with him and it was always just such a, such a fun time.

• 44:03Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. On an episode of the Kardashians, you said, the hardest thing is when someone changes and you can't live with the new version of them. What were the early signs that your relationship with him was changing?

• 44:18Speaker 01

  I mean, I

• 44:21Speaker 01

  I think there's obviously, you know, people can say that there was like signs and maybe I didn't wasn't paying attention to them.

• 44:35Speaker 01

  And I think when someone has like their first like mental um break, you know, you want to be super supportive and you want to like help figure that out and you want to um really get into that with them and be there for them.

• 44:53Speaker 01

  But I think that it just um

• 44:57Speaker 01

  when someone was, you know, isn't willing to to make changes that I think would be super healthy and beneficial. It makes it really hard to continue on in a relationship that can be toxic and that, you know, I think that

• 45:14Speaker 01

  you know, when you have kids, it's definitely harder to leave than it is to stay. And it changes everyone's life and and forever, you know, so you really have to like take your time and wait and see um if there'll be changes. But once you get to a place where you feel like it's not gonna change or get better, then you have to make like some serious choices on what you're gonna do. And that's like a really hard reality to face, you know?

• 45:49Alex Cooper?

  I can't imagine. I I guess I'm curious, how did you feel like you will often or ever felt like things are getting better? Maybe I can stay like, did you go back and forth often?

• 46:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course, you know, or you like

• 46:05Speaker 01

  you want to believe that for a little bit and you know, then you look at your babies and you're just like but then you think like, you know what? If they see a good example of like me setting boundaries and then once like my mental health starts to get affected and then I can't parent the way that I need to and I can't be present and focused, then like there's got to be one of us that can. And I had to like Save myself in order to be a better mom for everyone. And I think like when everyone's older, they'll be able to understand it and see that all.

• 46:44Alex Cooper?

  I agree. Yeah, it's such a hard time when you're kind of the only adult that's able to make the decision and you like, look at your kids and you're probably like, I know this may not make sense now, but I promise it will later.

• 46:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:53Alex Cooper?

  I feel like a lot of times in difficult relationship dynamics, sometimes you can isolate yourself. Like at what point when things were starting to not be as great as it started, did you start to open up to friends or family?

• 47:09Speaker 01

  I mean, I think they would see it. A lot of like, stuff would happen around my family. So it was really hard to like, see my family get treated one way and then me being like, I'm sorry, guys. And like, then stick with it. Um,

• 47:27Speaker 01

  I think people couldn't not see it. I think I got really disassociated and there was like, so many times where I was just like, really quiet and like, just trying to figure it all out. And people can kind of see that on me during certain times. So I think, but also, people were really compassionate and didn't want to say, hey, we don't think this is healthy for you. Everyone tried to just move in a direction of being healthy. And so no one really sat there and was like, you have to get out. Like, I've been in those, you know, where people are like, this isn't for you. And no one did that, you know, they knew that

• 48:09Speaker 01

  I had a lot of love and respect for that relationship and for babies and like, that I would have done anything to really make it work. But

• 48:19Alex Cooper?

  You guys, obviously, you're dealing with it with your family and they're living it. But then you guys were also one of the most famous couples in the world. How did the public perception of your relationship influence and affect how you kind of navigated everything? Because you're not a normal person that can just be like, okay, it's a divorce, we're moving. It's like, the whole world is looking and praises both of you in some capacity.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  I mean, I think that extra pressure just makes it a little bit harder. I think people were gonna be, I thought like, oh, my God, everyone's gonna be so upset with me because I'm just like, leaving and I wouldn't want someone to think I was leaving someone because it got too hard. But there was just a lot in there that, for my soul, I felt like I had to make that decision. And I think people get it now and, you know, they might respect my decision and see that. But, you know, when you do have that outside layer, there is that extra like, you know, especially, I have had a few marriages that I didn't

• 49:27Speaker 01

  think that were for me. And so now, like, am I a failure? And then I have to like, really look back at that and say, you know what? An over a decade relationship with four beautiful children is not a failure, you know? And I just, you can't think that way. You can't live that way. You can't worry about what everyone's gonna say. And I have to come home to myself and I have to be happy. So.

• 49:53Alex Cooper?

  I think something, obviously, you said, which is so relatable, is like, it's almost sometimes easier to stay than to leave. What was it for you that was the final straw that actually got you to be like?

• 50:06Speaker 01

  I don't know if it was like, you know, there was just a lot of things that I wouldn't deal with, you know, like, I didn't like the.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  Feeling of like, you know, someone being like, maybe talking bad about, you know, my kids, grandmother, aunts, like all of of those feelings. If someone feels that way, then, you know, we shouldn't be together, you know, maybe airing out a lot of stuff, um, a lot of personal stuff, um, just not, not feeling safe, you know, not, not even physically, just like maybe emotionally or even, you know, financially, because you have, you know, big, um, ideas that, um, financial things, when you, it's like, um,

• 51:11Speaker 01

  a thing where you, I mean, I would like, come home and we had like five Lamborghinis and I'd come home and they'd all be gone, you know, if he was in an episode and I'd be like, oh, wait, where, where's all our cars, like my, my, my new car? And it would be like, oh, he gave them away to all of his friends. And then I'd be like, huh, okay. And then I'd come home again and at a different point, we had, you know, five more Lamborghinis and then I'd wake up and another episode and they'd all be gone again. And that time I was like, keep them guys, you know, like, I, I don't know, I don't know what to say. But like, I never felt like I, I didn't know, you know, what you're gonna get when you wake up and that's like a really unsettling feeling. Yeah.

• 51:53Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, it's like a, a lack of stability.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  Lack of stability was a big thing.

• 51:57Alex Cooper?

  You're trying to be stable for yourself and your kids. And then there's a factor that you're like, I can't. So, once you left, what was the biggest change that you saw within yourself?

• 52:07Speaker 01

  I walked away thinking that I would have, like, to live a different life, that I would not have a connection to anyone in fashion or art or like, you know, he, that was a big part of his life. And so I thought like, okay, I'm gonna just like, go back to a totally different world and my happiness is like worth that and it's totally okay. And some of my biggest projects came about after I made that decision. And some of my best relationships with fashion and art and all these things that I thought I had to give up. Or told I had, you know, wasn't gonna have anymore. And um,

• 52:50Speaker 01

  it was like the universe just like rewarding me and showing me that I was moving in the right direction. And I think that's like a really important, powerful thing is to like pay attention to the signs and pay attention to life and

• 53:07Speaker 01

  you know, what happens and how you can be guided to make really good decisions, you know, but I have no regrets. Like, you know, I have four amazing, beautiful babies.

• 53:19Alex Cooper?

  They are beautiful.

• 53:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:20Alex Cooper?

  Um, publicly, obviously, having a public marriage, you know, a vocal ex, like, how has that impacted your current approach to dating?

• 53:30Speaker 01

  Um, you know, it has definitely affected that, you know, there has been situations where like, I'll get maybe close to someone, then it's like, wait, wait, wait, I don't really want to deal with your ex. And I don't want to deal that like, if he's gonna say something and I'm like, you know, so it has been like a little frustrating, but then I get really, um,

• 53:59Speaker 01

  like, my person wouldn't care about that, you know, but it is a big thing and I get it, you know, it's not an easy thing. And I get that.

• 54:07Alex Cooper?

  I remember, obviously, when like, the Pete music video and everything, I was like, oh, I can't imagine how Kim handles that, right? Like, in those moments, like, having those conversations with people that you're seeing, you can't really

• 54:20Speaker 01

  That made me feel really sad. That really wasn't fair for him. And I felt so sad and sorry for him. And he was such a great, like, man that was like, I got like, don't worry, like, it's, it's all good, or at least, you know, acted that way. And it just, it must suck to just be put in that position. So it's had me put up this guard where I don't want to put anyone in that position. So it's easier if I just maybe stay away and, but then I can't live my life like that either, you know, but I am aware of it and I do. I mean, I think maybe at this point, you know, it's like so a non-issue. I don't think he would say something, but then you never know.

• 55:02Alex Cooper?

  And in the past, when Kanye has had new partners, the world is so quick to immediately compare them to you. Who is more beautiful? Who is more fashionable? Who is better for him? How do you feel in those moments?

• 55:18Speaker 01

  I feel bad for them that they have to just deal with that, you know? It's really not fair to anyone to compare, you know, or especially if it's like,

• 55:30Speaker 01

  oh, well, he was acting this way just when they were together, you know, maybe when it first started. And then I was like, okay, you know, just time will play itself out. And like, it has nothing to do with me. And it's like, not fair to really blame me. But, you know, I, it sucks, you know, because I think like, any high profile relationship that you're in, there's going to be some comparison to that person's ex.

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• 57:50Speaker 01

  I am single, and I feel totally, totally content. I've been single for a while.

• 57:56Alex Cooper?

  Is this the longest you've ever been single?

• 57:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I'm totally good with that. Like, I have my kids to raise. I have like a life that like requires a lot of my attention, and my kids just really need me right now. So it's like, I, I'm there 24/7, you know, I don't, I don't know how I would fit something else in, so I'm just not looking. And it would have to be like someone super special for me to like,

• 58:23Speaker 01

  I've had all my fun, I've had all my phases.

• 58:25Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 58:25Speaker 01

  So it's like, now I just have to like be with my babies.

• 58:29Alex Cooper?

  Okay, but eventually, you're, Kim, you're gonna get back at it at some point. It doesn't matter when, but you'll get there. You're the most, probably one of the most famous women in the world. How do you even approach dating?

• 58:42Speaker 01

  Oh, it's like usually friends like

• 58:45Alex Cooper?

  Set you up.

• 58:46Speaker 01

  Trying to set us up and stuff like that. So, um, yeah, I don't know.

• 58:51Alex Cooper?

  Do you think men are ever too intimidated to pursue you?

• 58:55Speaker 01

  Not my person. My person wouldn't be.

• 58:58Alex Cooper?

  I was gonna ask-

• 58:59Speaker 01

  I think I'm like really approachable. I don't think I'm like, you know?

• 59:02Alex Cooper?

  You are. Like, I didn't know what to expect. Obviously, I've never met you. You know how the industry is. You never know if you're gonna, you've met many people, I'm sure, in the industry that you're like, oh, fuck, that's, like, that sucks. So you never know. And I was wondering if it would be unattractive to you if someone's like a little nervous. You want someone that's confident.

• 59:20Speaker 01

  Confident, but not like, it's okay if they're nervous too.

• 59:23Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  But like, they shouldn't be. So I don't know.

• 59:27Alex Cooper?

  What is your best quality as a partner?

• 59:30Speaker 01

  I think I'm a really good team player and I think that I'm, I just like communicate really well and like I'm a really supportive person. So if I, if we're like in it, we're in it and I'll do everything to support you. And I think I'm a really good partner.

• 59:47Alex Cooper?

  What do you think is something you need to work on in relationships for yourself?

• 59:52Speaker 01

  I don't know how. I think it would be hard now. I've lived my life one way for a long time and I do think it's hard to mesh your life with someone. I don't know, like, you know, Courtney and Travis came in with kids and like, you know, it's, it's an adjustment when you have like blended families. I, I don't, I just don't know if I have the energy. Or maybe I just haven't met the right person that I want to blend my, my life with.

• 1:00:21Alex Cooper?

  I think you haven't met the right person yet.

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:23Alex Cooper?

  How would you describe your typical type?

• 1:00:26Speaker 01

  I think it's so different. I don't think I have a type.

• 1:00:29Alex Cooper?

  I feel like you either go so far, most of the time, it's either been

• 1:00:35Alex Cooper?

  music world or athlete world. And then there was like Pete.

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:00:40Alex Cooper?

  If we had to pick today, are we going rappers or are we going athletes?

• 1:00:45Speaker 01

  Neither.

• 1:00:45Alex Cooper?

  Neither.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  I think we're going like lawyers and like longevity scientists that can give me all their secrets. Yeah.

• 1:00:54Alex Cooper?

  Oh, Kim.

• 1:00:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:56Alex Cooper?

  I like that for you.

• 1:00:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:58Alex Cooper?

  I feel like you need someone to really mentally and emotionally stimulate you.

• 1:01:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:03Alex Cooper?

  Cause you're fucking smart.

• 1:01:05Speaker 01

  Thank you, babe.

• 1:01:06Alex Cooper?

  What is something that you used to be attracted to that you're not anymore?

• 1:01:10Speaker 01

  Lash. I used to be attracted to like big and flashy and I could care less.

• 1:01:17Alex Cooper?

  What if he walked in and khakis and a polo?

• 1:01:20Speaker 01

  I mean, I would want him to dress simple. Yeah, no, no, no.

• 1:01:25Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  Like I would want him to have like style.

• 1:01:27Alex Cooper?

  Or you could help him.

• 1:01:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, but like you kind of have to have it in you.

• 1:01:31Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. Have you ever been cheated on?

• 1:01:33Speaker 01

  I have. Yeah.

• 1:01:35Alex Cooper?

  How did you find out?

• 1:01:36Speaker 01

  Um,

• 1:01:39Speaker 01

  he told me.

• 1:01:40Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 1:01:40Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 1:01:41Alex Cooper?

  Immediately after or long after?

• 1:01:43Speaker 01

  Long after.

• 1:01:44Alex Cooper?

  And you were still together?

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 1:01:46Alex Cooper?

  How did you deal with that?

• 1:01:47Speaker 01

  I just kind of was like, huh.

• 1:01:53Speaker 01

  Tell me more, you know?

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  But like, when you're, that was like a more recent thing, but when you're in, like a toxic like

• 1:02:08Alex Cooper?

  Someone recently cheated on you?

• 1:02:09Speaker 01

  Not like super recently, but like when you're in your twenties and stuff, it's like all out psycho war, like

• 1:02:17Alex Cooper?

  Take them down.

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, like psychoness when you're in one of those like, and that has happened, but it's like calling the person, I'll always call the person and go off.

• 1:02:27Alex Cooper?

  Called the person that they cheated with?

• 1:02:29Speaker 01

  Mm hmm, mm hmm. God, it's been so long. Yeah.

• 1:02:34Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I miss the thrill.

• 1:02:35Speaker 01

  Psycho side of me like would come out just to make the call and then I'd be like, okay, that felt good.

• 1:02:41Alex Cooper?

  Okay, but now you, in the last time you confronted someone.

• 1:02:46Speaker 01

  Just like, what's the point at this point? I think I'm just at a phase and at an age, I hate to be like at this age, but it's like, what's the point?

• 1:02:56Alex Cooper?

  Did you end it after he told you or no?

• 1:02:59Speaker 01

  I was in a tough position. I didn't. And I was in a tough position because I don't, I don't think they were in a position to have shared that information. It wasn't like a healthy place. And so I kind of didn't know if I should take it seriously or not. And I had to wait a time period to like really assess and see what was happening.

• 1:03:29Alex Cooper?

  I see.

• 1:03:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:30Alex Cooper?

  Um, if you found the love of your life, he comes into the picture. Do you think he would get married again?

• 1:03:37Speaker 01

  I would, absolutely.

• 1:03:38Alex Cooper?

  Would you do a big wedding?

• 1:03:40Speaker 01

  I think it depends on the person. I could easily just like do a super cash. No, I can't do cash, but like, yeah, but I, it would depend on the person.

• 1:03:51Alex Cooper?

  That was cute that you tried for a minute. You're like, I can go so casual, like backyard. You're like, what am I talking about?

• 1:03:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:56Alex Cooper?

  If you had to say today, who would you want to design your wedding dress?

• 1:04:01Speaker 01

  Well, I was starting to have Manfred Terry Mugler design a wedding dress, even though I, just because I, I wanted it in my archive of like what I would wear. And I had the perfect one and we were designing it and making it and, and I just wanted that.

• 1:04:16Alex Cooper?

  Just for a rainy day?

• 1:04:17Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. Yeah. I'd still go with that wedding dress that I, that I would want.

• 1:04:22Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Oh, you would still, you would go back to that in archive?

• 1:04:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I really loved it. This like Terry Mugler wedding dress.

• 1:04:30Alex Cooper?

  And is it just like in one of your archives?

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  No, we didn't get to finish making it. We just talked about it and he said we were gonna start making it. I was like, just trust me. No, I just want it. I just know I need this in my archive for one day. I just want to be ready.

• 1:04:46Alex Cooper?

  That would be really special.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:48Alex Cooper?

  Um, which of your sisters do you trust the most to set you up with the guy?

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  Maybe Khloe?

• 1:04:55Alex Cooper?

  Has she ever?

• 1:04:56Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:04:57Alex Cooper?

  Just a feeling.

• 1:04:57Speaker 01

  But yeah, yeah. Like she would know me so much, but I feel like Kendall would make really good choices.

• 1:05:06Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, I feel like Kendall's got like a good little Rolodex over there that she could be like, try this one. Like she's, she's working with the right crowd.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:05:16Alex Cooper?

  Okay, this is very important.

• 1:05:18Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:05:19Alex Cooper?

  What is your take on the Kardashian curse?

• 1:05:22Speaker 01

  Hmm. I always really hated that. I really did. I think it's like really unfair to say that women are the problem when it comes to issues that our exes might be dealing with. And that they had those issues before. And I mean, if you want to talk about the positive, I mean, my mom was with like a gold medal Olympian. When Khloe was with Lamar, there was championships being won. You know, with the Lakers, I was dating a football player and he won the Super Bowl. I mean, there was like,

• 1:06:09Speaker 01

  Really positive, amazing things that happened and then.

• 1:06:13Alex Cooper?

  I do appreciate what you said about that because I agree with you. I think there's such a fixation on what happened to the men, also as if there's no accountability on their part. Like it has to be, all of you are just, oh wow, okay, you're all so powerful that you did this to all these men. And they have no hand in their life and they have no autonomy. It's just these crazy witch sisters that were able to.

• 1:06:37Speaker 01

  No accountability. Someone that doesn't take accountability is my biggest pet peeve and my biggest red flag. And my biggest, just like, bottom line, absolutely not. And I think that that is such a thing. If you think about it blaming us when, okay, this person was, you know, doing this before. Like, people just don't want to put the accountability on the men. And that really does bother me.

• 1:07:08Alex Cooper?

  Out of all the baby daddies, who's your favorite?

• 1:07:11Speaker 01

  I think I'm the closest with Tristan.

• 1:07:13Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  Um, and Scott, I forgot about, yeah, Scott, we're super close. I mean, Travis is such a great, you know, person to all of us. Yeah, we have some pretty good baby daddies.

• 1:07:29Alex Cooper?

  Can we talk about the state of you and Kanye's co-parenting relationship?

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  What do you think co-parenting with Kanye West is like?

• 1:07:42Alex Cooper?

  Well, yeah, I guess that's what I'm curious. I'm wondering, how are you doing and how much is on you, Kim?

• 1:07:52Speaker 01

  Hmm, it's not easy. Um, but, I mean, I, I raise the kids, you know, full time. They, they live with me and.

• 1:08:06Speaker 01

  I welcome a great, healthy relationship with my kids and their dad. And I think, you know, he knows that I push for it all the time. But I also protect them when, you know, it's time for that and it goes in waves and phases and, and it's, it's, you know, a lot of work, but like I, I said earlier, like I have the best memories and the best relationship, you know, with my dad and even like, I love that. You know, I see Tristan puts, you know, their kids to bed every night and

• 1:08:46Speaker 01

  takes them to school every day when he's not, you know, in season. So I, I just welcome healthy relationships. But it's not easy.

• 1:08:54Alex Cooper?

  When was the last time Kanye saw the kids?

• 1:08:59Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 1:09:04Speaker 01

  Whenever he'll call for them and, and ask, it's probably been a couple of months since we've heard from him. But.

• 1:09:15Alex Cooper?

  How do you handle? Because it's all on you in those moments, the disappointment, if any, from the kids. Like, how do you explain those moments to them?

• 1:09:26Speaker 01

  They always knew that he had a big life traveling before and was always on tour and all of that. So it's, it's, you know, and that he lives in different countries all the time and loves to live all over the place. So, you know, we manage it really well. Like they, they love like their life and their routine and their schedule. And I think just their job as their mom is just to make sure that they stick to their routine and they're healthy and happy and, you know, look, it's not easy, no matter what. Co-parenting with anyone, you know, and it's, I, I think that the one thing that just gets me is that there's this narrative that like, I keep the kids. I've never once, you know, away from him. I've never once

• 1:10:11Speaker 01

  done that. All and like, there's been so many times where I've been like, oh, I just want to show all of these texts. What are you talking about? Like, it's been, you know, we just haven't heard. I begged them, you know, to, to go hang out or, or things like that. But, um.

• 1:10:30Speaker 01

  It's more of just the narrative that like, I think it's all good and we're living our life. And then I just wake up and there's all these tweets about how I've kidnapped the kids. And I'm like, it's not a kidnapping, it's a divorce. You know, like it's, it's, we can still all be in each other's lives and have group dinner. I mean, I just grew up so different, seeing my family, you know, co-parent, so great, you know, and I see it with Chloe and Tristan. And I see, I just see really healthy relationships. So, um, when the time is right, I'm sure that would, you know, maybe timelines, you know, my mom would always say, like, you gotta give it like, five years of being divorced before

• 1:11:11Speaker 01

  everything like, really comes together. And everyone can like, coexist and like, be friends. But it's not going to be like that for the first few years. So.

• 1:11:20Alex Cooper?

  I appreciate you clarifying that, though, because I was gonna ask you, like, what you think the biggest misconception about your co-parenting dynamic was. And if I'm honest, it was because I was kind of wondering about that. Because I agree with you. I feel like I have seen online, some people really speculate, like, oh, my God, like, she's, she doesn't let him see the kids, and she's just keeping them to herself and blah, blah, blah, because of tweets or whatever that we've seen. So then people can allude, like, wow, Kim's not letting him see them. And I, I do think, again,

• 1:11:51Speaker 01

  Every time he is asked, I will always let them see their father. That's just who I am. You know, if there's a time where it's just really super unhealthy, I will, you know, say, hey, let's do it here at my house, or let's do, figure out a different time. And, but actually, when he is like that, he doesn't really want to see the kids a lot. So if he's like, having a hard time, like, he, he doesn't. And so it's always worked out. But, um, you know, he lives in all these different countries, and I send them and, you know, to Saudi Arabia, and Italy, and Japan, and all over the world, every time he asks. I've never once denied it. And, um, no, I don't keep the kids. And I

• 1:12:32Speaker 01

  think that, that all, that narrative really sucks for me. And if I spoke out about it, and rebutted it, I'm just not that girl online that's gonna like, fight back and be like, wait a minute, your assistant and you said you wanted a whole different birthday party, and. You said your party's at four, so we did ours at noon and now you're going online saying that I'm like, it's just a totally different narrative than what the reality is. And that just really sucks.

• 1:13:02Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. I was wondering that because, you know, the world has obviously seen it like Kanye has said some pretty like horrible things about you as a mother publicly and you never really respond. What toll does it take on you to stay silent?

• 1:13:21Speaker 01

  I know. There's been so many times where I've written a draft and been like, I'm gonna go. I'm just like, and then I'm just like, what's the point? You know, what is the point? Is it, am I gonna go back and forth? My kids are gonna see this. They'll, they'll figure it all out when, when they want to make those decisions. And I used to be so protective and so like hide everything. And, and then, you know, sometimes it's like you just can't hide it all. And I better prepare them for what life is gonna be like for when they figure it all out. So, I mean, I never say anything negative about my kid's dad, just

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  because like, it's out there. Like, the last thing my kids need is for them to hear it from me. And I never saw my parents talk bad about each other, no matter what was going on. So I, I do think that that's just who I am. I just, I just don't want to go there with like, fighting back, saying negative things, you know?

• 1:14:30Alex Cooper?

  And I think that's something that so many people really respect you for. But I think there's also the side of people that are like, I don't know how she does it.

• 1:14:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:40Alex Cooper?

  Cause there's been so many moments that I can, yes, I can imagine I would write the draft too. And then right as you're going to post, you're like, why?

• 1:14:48Speaker 01

  I wish I did last time. I had a good post ready to go.

• 1:14:52Alex Cooper?

  Did you at least send it to your like sisters?

• 1:14:54Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. The group chat, read it, approved it.

• 1:14:57Alex Cooper?

  What do you think was one of the hardest moments for you to stay silent on?

• 1:15:02Speaker 01

  I don't care what you say about me. I don't care what you say about the world and your beliefs and any of that. Anything about my children. I don't care what it is. You know, it, that's hard for me to sit back and be like,

• 1:15:18Speaker 01

  Come on, you know, even just like, you know, sharing stuff about them, you know?

• 1:15:25Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:25Speaker 01

  It is hard to, it is hard to sit back and when he says things about my mom, that's what's really hard for me because she loves him and to this day, like, still does and is super, you know, emotional about it and sad about it. And it was, it was a big part of our lives, you know? So, I mean, my kids, I say such positive things about their dad that like North had to say to me, "Mom, I think you go upstairs and like, you know, cry at night. Like, it's okay. Like, it's time to move on. You need to have a boyfriend now." Cause like, you know, and I'm like, wait, what?

• 1:16:07Alex Cooper?

  Still.

• 1:16:09Speaker 01

  What? I cry? Like, no, I'm getting a massage, like upstairs. What, what, what do you think is happening? And I, and I was like, oh my God, I say such positive things all the time. And I'm like in the car, if they want to listen to music, like as hard as it is for me, like, I want them to think the best things, you know? And so she was just like, you know, like, like they see that, you know? So I'm just like, okay, I gotta give it up.

• 1:16:35Alex Cooper?

  She's a mom chill. Like, we get it.

• 1:16:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:37Alex Cooper?

  You don't have to keep pretending.

• 1:16:38Speaker 01

  They're like, oh. We see what it is at this point, you know, like, come on. So I was like, oh, okay.

• 1:16:44Alex Cooper?

  Fair.

• 1:16:44Speaker 01

  Just gonna never mention it again.

• 1:16:47Alex Cooper?

  North clock, you'd be like, get a boyfriend. You're like, oh. Oh shit, North. Okay. Um, you just, even just you talking about your kids, everything you say, it goes back to your children. You just seem like such an incredible mom.

• 1:17:01Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:17:01Alex Cooper?

  What do you think is your best quality as a mom?

• 1:17:05Speaker 01

  I am extremely close with my kids, like, like best friend. They know I'm their mom, but like I am the mom that they all come and tell everything to. I know all the tea at school. I know I'm the one with all the friends. They come and tell all the stuff too. So like all their friends, like trust me and want to tell me everything. And I love being in that position, you know? Every weekend, there must be about eight to 12 kids sleeping at my house every single weekend. I'm like the house. I love it. I've gotten like these huge, big like sleeping bag like things and they just like go in a row and I have bunk beds and like it's like the house like every weekend. So that makes me really

• 1:17:44Alex Cooper?

  It's really cute.

• 1:17:45Speaker 01

  Feel really good about that. I just have such a great relationship with my kids that we talk about everything and that just makes me so proud, proud of like who they are. And it's funny because like, I don't talk about it a lot on our show, but like there was a phase where like, you know, maybe my daughter like for a week wanted to sleep over at her dad's and I said like, oh, she wants to go live with him or I said something and then people thought we didn't have a good relationship. And I'm like, wait, wait, wait. This is like my bestie. We're like the closest. And so it's like a fine line of also like, there's so much I want to share about them on the show and I just, I want them to grow up and

• 1:18:25Speaker 01

  like figure it all out. But like, I have the best kids and I'm so like happy that they're mine.

• 1:18:33Alex Cooper?

  No, it's really cool. I mean, four kids. I was thinking about it before you got here. I'm like, they have the most unique names.

• 1:18:41Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:18:41Alex Cooper?

  Is there any name that you had on your mind for any of them that you could share with us that didn't make the list?

• 1:18:49Speaker 01

  Yeah. Okay. So when North was born,

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  Kanye wanted to name her Noriega.

• 1:18:58Speaker 01

  And so then we went with like Noriega, Nori, North. So that like, yeah, or um, he wanted to name her his mom's name, Donda. And we considered that, but I'm a big believer in like your own name. And so you're not having to live up to a standard of what someone thought they wanted you to be like, or what like pushing you into someone who you're not. So I really wanted her to have her own name.

• 1:19:32Alex Cooper?

  Let's talk about North.

• 1:19:33Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:19:50Alex Cooper?

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• 1:20:52Alex Cooper?

  Let's talk about North.

• 1:20:53Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:20:53Alex Cooper?

  As you basically said, she's so outspoken. She has so many, I love how she's like, "Get a boyfriend, mom." What is the most humbling thing she's ever said to you?

• 1:21:03Speaker 01

  Oh, she will humble me. I mean, I think she just said to me like the other day, like, "Mom, you've got to get remarried. Like, you're getting too old and like, no one is like, gonna deal with this." And I was just like, "What?" She says it to me all the time. She's like, "Who are we gonna set you up with? Like, what are we gonna do?" And I'm like, "Babe, I'm just okay." Like, chilling. And she's like, "No, you're, you're like, growing out of that phase. You're like, not gonna, you know?" And I'm like, "Huh, okay."

• 1:21:37Alex Cooper?

  I'm dying. It's like, literally, she's speaking to Kim Kardashian. And she's like, "You're kind of like, losing it a little bit. Go get a guy." You're like, "Okay, North."

• 1:21:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:45Alex Cooper?

  Um, how did you feel when she called your house ugly?

• 1:21:48Speaker 01

  She... Yeah, she thought that like, really dug deep with me. And she would be like... Everything's all beige, like you're so ugly. I have this voice note that I'm gonna save for her and she was crying, saying that she had, couldn't believe that her parents love Balenciaga. And that, and by the way, it's like her favorite brand and it's like all she wears. And like, but at the time, she was just like, I can't believe this is, these are the brands my parents own and everything is so beige and everything is so like, she had a moment and now she's like obsessed.

• 1:22:30Alex Cooper?

  Of course.

• 1:22:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:22:31Alex Cooper?

  Of course. She's like, wait, mom, can I borrow that? You're like, I thought you hated it.

• 1:22:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:22:35Alex Cooper?

  Um, online, there's been so much conversation about her recently, but how is all of that affecting your, her family right now?

• 1:22:46Speaker 01

  You know what? She's so, um, she's so creative and she's so amazing and really, it's so funny. She's like really mature in one sense where she'll be like, mom, I saw this and like, I don't really care that they don't like, if someone says they don't like my blue hair or like my, you know, like this or that. And she's really confident and is like, I probably wouldn't be hanging out with those people. Like if you saw like, what did they look like? And what are they wearing? And you know, and I think like, any mom of a teenager or a preteen, unless you've been here, like, please, we just need a little bit of grace. Like it's

• 1:23:31Speaker 01

  really hard and it's really like, it's, it's interesting because all the kids are like wearing the same things, but then my daughter tries to wear it and then I'm like, okay, we're never wearing that again. Unfortunately, we made that mistake in front of the whole world. And she's, you know, usually a girl that, that dresses like a tomboy most of the time. And she wanted to try something that her friends were wearing and went to the same place that they went to and they all got these, you know, outfits. And then she wears them and it's just like, you know, okay, wait, maybe you can't wear that, you know? And so as a mom, you're kind of like learning at the same time. But what I do know is my baby's

• 1:24:13Speaker 01

  such a good girl and such a sweet girl. And like the things that she has experienced where she might've like been outspoken or did something, she learns from that and she sees it. And then she's like, oh, I don't like, like, how I said that. And oh, I don't want to be like that. Or, oh, you know what, mom? Okay, you're right. Like, she does listen to me. But in other areas, I'm like, babe, if you want blue hair, like, it is what it is, you know, that's, it makes her so happy. I would never take that creative away from her. Um, but yeah, I just think anyone that's raising kids, especially for kids by myself, I'm doing the best that I can. And my babies are good babies. So I just urge everyone to,

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  like, not be judgmental and to have grace on single moms trying to figure it all out with, like, you know, a preteen. It's a lot. If you know, you know.

• 1:25:08Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. And I think it's also like, having grace for a child where we all have been there experimenting with our look and whatever, and we didn't have to have it on, you know, people watching us and commenting.

• 1:25:23Speaker 01

  If her rebellion is dying her hair and like, wearing, you know, whatever, and but she's like, my bestie and being so close. I'd rather my girl be with me and be with me all the time. And let's experiment with every hair color. Like, I also nurture her creative side, you know? She's the girl that comes home and just wants to work in the music studio and can be in the studio for like, eight hours straight and loves it and like, just thrives off of it. So like, I also nurture nurture her creative side also and want that for her.

• 1:25:56Alex Cooper?

  I also love what you said about how you have become the mom where like, everyone's coming to you and telling you everything. And I think that's so beautiful because one, I feel like you have that with your sisters.

• 1:26:09Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:26:10Alex Cooper?

  And you kind of like, have now been able to have that extension of yourself be available to your kids and their friends. And so I think, I think it's incredible that they do feel comfortable to come and talk to you, rather than kids that are like, whether they're hiding it or whatever, everyone's situation is different. But I, what you're essentially saying is, you've got a handle on it. You know how you're parenting. Everyone come down. Now focus on if you're having to parent and like, let this kid live.

• 1:26:33Speaker 01

  Totally. Like, my house is like, literally, my door is wide open. All North and her friends come in, running in, like, you know, trying on my stuff or looking through my stuff. And even like, I've had those conversations with North about like, makeup, because she loves her, her, her lip liner. And she'll be like, but mom, like, I grew up literally. My whole life, sitting in your lap while you're getting your makeup done, watching you do it. Like, she even said, you know, Mario and your, your team has been like my teachers. I've had the best teachers. And she sits, her and her friends, like, I love that they're all so super immature and like not grown.

• 1:27:13Speaker 01

  And what they do on their weekends is they go in the room and they do all their makeup or like looks, like they'll make someone Pokemon. We have, you know, she does special effects makeup all the time and is taking classes. So like, she turns all of her friends into these characters or, or, and then they like take fun pictures and do silly like TikToks. And then, you know, they wash it all off and then they try something on again. So she's like, for me to not want to wear lip liner and like, you know, have her eyebrow slit or whatever she does. Like, she's like, it's just me like, trying things and like, I've seen you do it like your whole life. Like, I've grown up with it. Why can't I try it? So I'm like, you know what? Okay, like.

• 1:27:56Alex Cooper?

  It's beautiful.

• 1:27:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:58Alex Cooper?

  Let's talk about business.

• 1:27:59Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:28:00Alex Cooper?

  Throughout your career, what has helped you really figure out what you're passionate about and what your strengths are?

• 1:28:08Speaker 01

  Well, I think anytime something is really successful that I've done has been something that I just absolutely love and I'm so passionate about. And I think that you have to like, sift through what that is. And that doesn't always mean something that's like super amazing financially. It could be like a little one-off project that I want to do just because I love the product and I'm really into it. And I think anytime there's something that you just like, really love and you're working like a hundred percent behind it, it'll, it'll pop off and be so successful.

• 1:28:41Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. Um, let's talk about Skims.

• 1:28:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:28:45Alex Cooper?

  It was initially called Kimono. When you first launched, a lot of backlash. Then you guys ended up changing the name. How were you able to pivot so successfully?

• 1:28:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, that was a name, Kimono, you know, my name, Kim is obviously in that. And I just like, thought it was like, kind of kitschy. It is, it was a little confusing. Like, did we only sell Kimonos? Or I, you know, I don't think we really thought that through.

• 1:29:09Speaker 01

  But as soon as we started getting backlash, we had like a million garments printed with the logo in it. And I thought like, this is a huge business decision, but there's no way we can move forward with the name. I didn't feel comfortable with it. And we quickly pivoted and just SKIMS came to us and it's such a better name and it's

• 1:29:28Alex Cooper?

  So good.

• 1:29:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:29Alex Cooper?

  It's so good.

• 1:29:30Speaker 01

  So I gave our kimono.com, I gave that all over to, you know, the people in Japan that really, you know, deserve that. And I think if you have such respect, I had so much respect for the culture, I would never want to do anything to, to really, you know, make it be a big issue every time I had a launch. I knew immediately something had to change. So it was just like, look, I know I'm not going to get the garment printed logo. I'm gonna have to now put a logo on top and sew them on and like, let's take a beat, let's redo this, let's figure out a new name. And I think, again, it's about taking accountability. You own up to it, you take accountability and you fix it and you move on.

• 1:30:09Alex Cooper?

  It's such a great point. Every business has its hiccups. Every business has a moment where you're like, we did this wrong. And I think how quickly you were able to pivot, I also think garnered so much respect also because people are like, okay, wow, she acknowledged it. She took accountability. She moved on. Then you go to grow this massive, massive, massive, massive, massive, massive success. It is so beyond impressive. In the beginning days of SKIMS, what were you the most involved in?

• 1:30:40Speaker 01

  I think it's still remained the same. I do like all the creative, all of the, now we have big product teams, but like a lot of our design is what, things that I'm, you know, requesting and send references for. The whole team will go out and get fabrics. I'm always picking the fabrics. I do all of our colors. My favorite thing to do is do our color palette. But I oversee like every campaign and pick all the, you know, talent for the campaigns and we'll have a whole team that'll bring me like different campaign ideas and photography. So I oversee it all daily.

• 1:31:18Speaker 01

  And it's about knowing how to get the right people that really know what they're doing to be in those positions that you really trust to make those decisions if you can't, if I can't. But we're all super close and really involved. And um, yeah, I love it.

• 1:31:35Alex Cooper?

  Okay, talk to me about what is next for Skims. I know we have a little something going on with.

• 1:31:42Speaker 01

  Yeah, we are launching a full other brand with Nike that we have created. So Nike Skims. And I'm so excited about that because we wanted to launch skim sport. And we were going to do a whole sport collection. And then we really thought about it, like, would we do a collab? Who would that be with? And then number one is Nike, right? Like the brand, I just thought it was like the ultimate.

• 1:32:06Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 1:32:07Speaker 01

  And then I thought, why would we just do a one off collab? I want to really have a, I work out every day. I want to have continuous product in a sport category. And I want to create a whole other brand. And so that's what this is. And it's really exciting. I just can't wait for people to see the collection and the campaign and everything.

• 1:32:26Alex Cooper?

  You're so right. A collab is a moment in time. And this is forever. This is something that we can shop. This is something that will be new launches.

• 1:32:38Speaker 01

  Just think like with our aesthetic and Nike's innovation, that's what I really wanted. And they're distributed all over the world. So it's like, I just wanted it to be everywhere. I'm really excited about it.

• 1:32:49Alex Cooper?

  Um, talk to me about your law journey. Have you taken the bar yet? What's going on, Kimberly?

• 1:32:56Speaker 01

  I just took the bar in July. It was an experience.

• 1:33:02Alex Cooper?

  Tell me.

• 1:33:02Speaker 01

  It was, it was a lot. You know, I took four months off. That's why I didn't respond to the bag thing. Cause I was like, you know, and I'm putting my phone down. Um. I took off four months to really focus on that and I didn't work on anything else. And I just focused on studying and I took it and I'm hoping for the best, praying to God.

• 1:33:26Alex Cooper?

  Wait, when do we find out if you pass?

• 1:33:28Speaker 01

  November, November.

• 1:33:30Alex Cooper?

  Okay, wait, and if you pass, are you going to join a practice? Are you going to open your own firm?

• 1:33:36Speaker 01

  I would love to maybe work on a few cases and see if I like being a trial attorney.

• 1:33:41Alex Cooper?

  Okay, that's a good start.

• 1:33:42Speaker 01

  I think that would be fun before I open up a firm. I mean, I think the ultimate goal is just to help as many people as possible and get them out. For people that like can't really, you know, afford the attorney's fees and need help really finding the right team, getting all their paperwork done to help like expedite the process of just getting them home. And I think it all stems again from family, right? I want to reunite families. That's what got me into this. I thought like, what happens if someone in my family does something that is a horrible decision? And then it tears apart our whole family forever. And I would see, it's not just like the person that goes away. It's like their whole families. And so that's kind of why I got into this.

• 1:34:27Speaker 01

  And you know, I went to the White House and I was called to a clemency meeting in the Roosevelt Room. And I'll never forget it. I was in a room and everyone was using all this like fancy lingo. And I just was like, what the fuck are they talking about?

• 1:34:43Alex Cooper?

  Right, like what's going on?

• 1:34:44Speaker 01

  Like, like easy abbreviations that were like very political stuff that I just like had no clue what it meant. And I'm literally texting another attorney I know across the room. I mean, like, what does this mean? What does this mean? And I was so embarrassed. I didn't act like it. No one would ever know. I, I handled that like they would have thought I knew exactly what I was talking about, but I didn't. And I was embarrassed inside that I just didn't know what everyone was talking about and I never wanted to feel that way again. So.

• 1:35:14Alex Cooper?

  Will you post if you?

• 1:35:17Speaker 01

  Fuck yeah.

• 1:35:17Alex Cooper?

  Okay, but what if, I'm not even going to put it out on the board. You're passing.

• 1:35:20Speaker 01

  I know, I know. I think, you know, I, here's the thing.

• 1:35:24Speaker 01

  I did it in an unconventional way and I think people assume that it's the easier route. And it really isn't, you know, I had to spend 20 hours a week in a law firm studying. And the program was a four year program. And I had enough credits to get in there, but I didn't have my bachelor's degree. So I didn't finish college. So they were like, you can either finish the last year of college and go to three years of law school at a law school. Or just you have enough credits, you could just go right into this four year program. But you're gonna have to go in yourself and I have to do 20 hours of work a week as an attorney.

• 1:36:02Speaker 01

  And then learn about it on my own. And so I had to hire, you know, teachers and professors to teach me while I'm working. And I said, you know what? I've never done anything really the conventional way. I don't really care to have my bachelor's degree. I just want my law degree. So I did that. And it took me six years because every time I try to take the baby bar, if you don't pass, you have to wait six months. So it took me six years. I finally passed that. And you know what? It's like, it's such a mind fuck taking the bar exam. It really is the hardest thing. Much respect to every law student that takes it. It's like,

• 1:36:43Alex Cooper?

  I can't imagine.

• 1:36:44Speaker 01

  I hear you. I see you. I feel you. It's, it's a lot.

• 1:36:48Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Well, November, we'll be waiting. You're gonna pass.

• 1:36:51Speaker 01

  But if not, I'm not gonna give up.

• 1:36:53Alex Cooper?

  Oh, no, no, you're gonna be great.

• 1:36:54Speaker 01

  I'm gonna.

• 1:36:54Alex Cooper?

  But I'm putting out the good juju.

• 1:36:55Speaker 01

  Perfect.

• 1:36:56Alex Cooper?

  I'm not gonna, we're not speaking about if you don't.

• 1:36:58Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:36:58Alex Cooper?

  You're also playing a lawyer in your new show, All's Fair. How do you have time to do all this? What is going on?

• 1:37:06Speaker 01

  I am like the best at time management.

• 1:37:09Alex Cooper?

  You are.

• 1:37:09Speaker 01

  I am like, it's my thing. As long as I can take my kids to school. Then in between while I'm getting ready. I, you know, do all my other stuff and my skim stuff and, you know, approving campaigns and images and like I. The one thing that I am known for, I think, is like the quickest responder on a text. Yeah, I just like get, get it done.

• 1:37:36Alex Cooper?

  We did Courtney respond.

• 1:37:38Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:37:39Alex Cooper?

  She's like, bitch, hello? Nothing.

• 1:37:41Speaker 01

  She goes, oh geez, what lol.

• 1:37:44Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so she's not,

• 1:37:44Speaker 01

  It's serious.

• 1:37:45Alex Cooper?

  She's not that scared.

• 1:37:46Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:37:47Alex Cooper?

  Okay, thank God. Um, why did you want to get into acting?

• 1:37:52Speaker 01

  I wanted to get into acting because, well, I was presented with a unique opportunity for Ryan Murphy.

• 1:37:58Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 1:37:58Speaker 01

  And then I thought, I mean, why not? This is so crazy. And then, once I did American Horror Story, he was like, can we do the series? And I was just like, okay. I didn't really know what it took, or what it entailed, or the hours, or anything. And then he got the most amazing cast together.

• 1:38:22Alex Cooper?

  Insane. Like, I remember when the trailer came out, everyone was like, what, what, what, what? Who, that, they're in it, they're in it? Like, it was insane. But then I'm thinking about you. How did filming The Kardashians compare to going and actually being an actress on a set?

• 1:38:38Speaker 01

  It's so different.

• 1:38:39Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:39Speaker 01

  It's so different. Well, first of all, I wanted to make sure I was so prepared. I'm walking on this set with these amazing actresses that have seen it all, done it all. Last thing I'm gonna do is not be prepared when I show up.

• 1:38:50Alex Cooper?

  I'm gathering that.

• 1:38:51Speaker 01

  You know, I'm like, so, I made sure that I set my schedule to where I can just take my kids to school, three days a week. And then the other two, then I'd drive right in, and then the other two,

• 1:39:07Speaker 01

  16-hour days, you know? And it was just, it was a lot. So it was about, I would sometimes just be finishing at like 7:00 AM, roll in, be able to drive them to school, come back, take a nap, and then get ready and go back to set.

• 1:39:23Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:23Speaker 01

  So, just being like a mom is obviously the most important thing to me, but also seeing, showing them my hustle, and that I just, it's so fun to try new things. And I figured if I didn't like it, like, it is what it is, you know? But I love it. And, and it's so fun challenging myself. And I think I had like this, not advantage, but like this familiar, I'm so used to cameras being around me, that like, I'm not even really aware, so like...

• 1:39:57Speaker 01

  It just feels like natural to me.

• 1:39:59Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. We have Skims.

• 1:40:01Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 1:40:02Alex Cooper?

  We have the bar.

• 1:40:05Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 1:40:05Alex Cooper?

  We have acting.

• 1:40:07Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 1:40:08Alex Cooper?

  We have the hardest of them all and the best of them all being a mom. And then we have the next season of the Kardashians and like, okay, when do you sleep? Um, that's coming out soon.

• 1:40:17Speaker 01

  I love sleep.

• 1:40:18Alex Cooper?

  Okay, when?

• 1:40:19Speaker 01

  And I could sleep anywhere.

• 1:40:21Alex Cooper?

  You could. Like if you kind of lean back right now, you could.

• 1:40:24Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 1:40:24Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:40:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:40:25Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:40:25Speaker 01

  I can sleep anywhere, anytime.

• 1:40:27Alex Cooper?

  Okay, that's good though. So you can just do a quick little 15 minute nap back, ready to go.

• 1:40:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. The one thing I'm super excited about is Skims Beauty.

• 1:40:39Speaker 01

  That is coming next. And that's gonna be so fucking major. Yeah.

• 1:40:47Alex Cooper?

  When is that coming?

• 1:40:49Speaker 01

  I had, you know, I loved KKW Beauty and then I sold the company and then I bought it back. So I sold that to Skims.

• 1:40:56Alex Cooper?

  Do you see though, every single person online being like, if you don't bring back the lip liners?

• 1:41:00Speaker 01

  The lip liners are coming. They are coming. And the KKW Beauty, like the, you know, the original, I feel like I tried to do some, I love when I like, know what works and then I try something and I know it doesn't work and that's okay. And so we're gonna bring back what works and we're gonna make it so major and so great and like, so great.

• 1:41:20Alex Cooper?

  Dude, there are girls online that will be like, there's this much left.

• 1:41:24Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:41:25Alex Cooper?

  And I literally refuse to use it unless it's like for my wedding or for my, I'm like, oh, the girls are gonna be so happy.

• 1:41:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, that's like, people were, I think, so confused when they were like, wait a minute. She bought back her beauty business, but then Skims bought it. What's happening? Like, why did she do that? So I just, Skims has such a great production team and you know, you know, from like our team and our camp, like, we're gonna make it so much fun.

• 1:41:50Alex Cooper?

  The best.

• 1:41:50Speaker 01

  And just fragrance and makeup and all the things.

• 1:41:54Alex Cooper?

  Girl, for someone who literally started and people were like, ah, she's just famous for nothing.

• 1:42:00Speaker 01

  You try it. You know? If it's nothing, try it.

• 1:42:05Alex Cooper?

  Try it. Give it a go.

• 1:42:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:07Alex Cooper?

  How easy.

• 1:42:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:09Alex Cooper?

  Next season of Kardashians, can you give us anything that you can tease? Well, you kind of did earlier.

• 1:42:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, my brother's on.

• 1:42:18Alex Cooper?

  How did you guys get him to come on?

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  I think Khloe was teasing that. It's just like, sometimes he feels like it, sometimes he doesn't, you know? Um, and we respect that, you know? We respect all of the, the privacy and whatever he wants. Um, what else? Um, Kaitlyn was on. She hasn't been on this whole series.

• 1:42:44Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 1:42:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:45Alex Cooper?

  I'm excited.

• 1:42:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:47Alex Cooper?

  Um, Kim Kardashian, I cannot, that wasn't that bad, right? You answered a lot of the questions. I wasn't sure what you were going to be up to today.

• 1:42:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:59Alex Cooper?

  Well, because you know, you've been around the block, like I know.

• 1:43:01Speaker 01

  I'm like very, I'm an open book, though.

• 1:43:03Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. No, and I know it's like, I for, it's like, we've seen so much of your life. So I didn't know how much you would be willing to share or not share. Because you're also in a different phase of your life where it's like, you said, like, you do have kids and you have these things and that you're, you're protecting certain parts of yourself, but you've always been open. So I don't know why I thought maybe you would hold back. You lived up to every hype. You gave me

• 1:43:27Speaker 01

  I love that.

• 1:43:27Alex Cooper?

  all the tea that I hoped. And you're just as incredible in person. Like, this was such an incredible interview.

• 1:43:34Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:43:35Alex Cooper?

  Thank you for sitting down with me, seriously.

• 1:43:37Speaker 01

  That is so nice.

• 1:43:37Alex Cooper?

  It was really cool to meet you.

• 1:43:38Speaker 01

  Thank you. I'm so happy I came.

• 1:43:54Alex Cooper?

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