UFO Gatekeepers - Rep. Luna, Burchett & Burlison Reveal A Plan To Fight Back

Opponents of UFO/UAP transparency have worked overtime to make life miserable for members of Congress who have demanded answers and honesty. Those House members who have been at the forefront of efforts to get straight answers about hidden programs and unauthorized spending have encountered fierce opposition, warnings to back off, and a brick wall of outrageous secrecy from agencies they are constitutionally authorized to oversee. Is the all-too-brief era of public hearings into UFO truth finished? Those murky agencies - the architects of the secrecy - certainly hope so. Three of the principal champions for UAP transparency in the House admit that more hearings into UFO matters are unlikely to produce the breakthroughs the public expects. But if future hearings are off the table, what’s next? In this extraordinary episode of WEAPONIZED, Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp are honored to speak with three transparency warriors - Representatives Anna Paulina Luna, Tim Burchett, and Eric Burlison - to hear about the obstacles they’ve faced, why they’ve been thwarted in their efforts to speak with first-hand witnesses, surreptitious intimidation tactics, veiled threats, the possibility of presidential disclosure, and their under-the-radar plans for moving forward. As Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, Chairman of the Task Force on Government Secrets, put it: “Why are they blocking us if it’s not real?” Good question. GOT A TIP? Reach out to us at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠[email protected]⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• Watch Corbell's six-part UFO docuseries titled UFO REVOLUTION on TUBI here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://tubitv.com/series/300002259/tmz-presents-ufo-revolution/season-2⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Watch Knapp’s six-part UFO docuseries titled INVESTIGATION ALIEN on NETFLIX here : ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://netflix.com/title/81674441⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ••• You can now watch all of Corbell's movies for free on YouTube here : BOB LAZAR : AREA 51 & FLYING SAUCERS https://youtu.be/sZaE5rIavVA HUNT FOR THE SKINWALKER https://youtu.be/TczkJ6UAQ8A PATIENT SEVENTEEN https://youtu.be/gDVX0kRqXxE ••• For breaking news, follow Corbell & Knapp on all social media. Extras and bonuses from the episode can be found at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠WeaponizedPodcast.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:00Jeremy Corbell?

  In this week's episode of Weaponized.

• 1:03Speaker 03

  You know, it's been interesting is Arrow from the Gecko has not been an honest broker with Congress.

• 1:08Speaker 04

  The sightings are over the ocean and then you do a little more research and a lot of these areas are deep, deep water areas. We have five or six of those. Look, I just want to know what we're spending a billion dollars on. The bottom line. You're telling, I got one group saying they don't exist in the department and other groups say they do exist. Burlison and I have both seen things that we're not allowed to talk about. What the hell is going on?

• 1:30Speaker 05

  The intelligence community has a level of credible belief that they are, that they have the ability to talk to, like mentally talk to some, some kind of entities. James Lekatsky came to you with government possession of NHI craft and how they ultimately gained entry. Can you testify to the veracity of that claim?

• 1:51Jeremy Corbell?

  He can't tell us, but maybe he can tell you. Where is that craft? Can you go hunt it down? Can you go see it?

• 1:58Speaker 06

  Are any of you willing to name specific gatekeepers within the root cell of the UAP SAP Federation?

• 2:04Jeremy Corbell?

  Glenn Gaffney, CIA. Can you go after an interview with Glenn Gaffney from the CIA and ask him, what was this all about? This UFO transfer that's now recorded in history? Can you go after him, you guys?

• 2:21Jeremy Corbell?

  This is Weaponized.

• 2:31George Knapp?

  This is Weaponized. I'm George Knapp. I'm here in the deep, deep cluttered bunker in Las Vegas because explosions might be happening today. Jeremy, where are you?

• 2:42Jeremy Corbell?

  I'm in my same non-Disco's location.

• 2:45George Knapp?

  So, you know, since 2017, the New York Times story that blew things wide open, exposed the existence of secret government programs, ATIP was the one they named, OSAP, we learned about later, members of Congress have perked up their ears and have become interested in the UFO UAP issue. At first, it was very quietly. They did behind closed doors briefings from military folks. We know some of the people who delivered those briefings, and then they've become more open about their interest in it. We now had several hearings. You know, 50 years, UFOs didn't get a peep on Capitol Hill. Now, we've had several hearings,

• 3:27George Knapp?

  and we were at the last couple of them. The last one in September, an extraordinary panel of witnesses, and then I was one of them too, but I'm not all that extraordinary.

• 3:37Speaker 06

  Having investigated this issue for so many years, what is the long game with respect to disclosure of this information to the public?

• 3:44George Knapp?

  Well, the secret's out. I mean, how many videos have there been already? You know, videos that are leaked from within the military and intelligence agencies and contractors and censor platforms, it's out there. But they have the high ground. The people that don't want us to take it seriously dismiss it, discredit the witnesses, come up with a cover story. I mean, it's been out there a long time. The public senses that it's real, and the people in authority dismiss them. It's a game that's been going on a long time, and I don't think they're ever going to release it. I think that there's an attitude among the people that have been involved in this for a long time that the public doesn't deserve to know, and that the public probably can't handle it, but they can. But, you know, I think members of Congress that we know are growing a little

• 4:28George Knapp?

  bit indecisive about what the future of the hearings might be. They're frustrated. They've been blocked. They are subjected to ridicule. They can't get the witnesses they want. Information of DOW and CIA and others are saying they can't find it. They don't have it. And so I think they're a little bit frustrated, and there's even been some talk about no more hearings at all. So, you know, we wanted to... Hear it from the horse's mouth, but it's impossible to get, say, an interview with the three real workhorses on this issue in the, in the, in the house. Representative Luna from Florida, Representative Burchett from Tennessee,

• 5:12George Knapp?

  Representative Burlison from Missouri. They're out there every day, beating the bushes, pounding the pavement, trying to get to the bottom of these things, talking to witnesses, and trying to really achieve something like transparency. Of course, it would be seemingly impossible to get all three of them on the, in an interview at the same time, right?

• 5:33Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, that would be, um, that would be wild. It'd be very hard to do. They're super busy, but I'm, I'm feeling lucky, George.

• 5:40George Knapp?

  So today, that's what we've got going. All three of them are joining us to talk about UFOs, where things stand, and where they might head in the future. And I, you know, we understand their frustrations because we've faced the same kind of thing ourselves. We're not members of Congress, obviously, but we face the same thing, an uphill battle, pretty much every step of the way.

• 6:00Jeremy Corbell?

  I mean, I feel like I have a job with Congress from the very first hearing. You know, they, they made a call to find out what they didn't know. And bam, I worked each time, months at a time with them, just doing hundreds of calls and videos and helping do vetting. So I, I feel like I've worked a lot with them. I really trust these people. At first, it was just me and Burchett kind of getting our hands dirty. But now with the, the new task force, so this is the House Oversight Committee's task force on the declassification of federal secrets. And Rep Luna is the head of that. But she, she really wanted the others to be with us because they do a lot of work, Rep Burlison and Rep Burchett. You know, look, as you said, we hadn't had hearings in over 50 years.

• 6:43Jeremy Corbell?

  I, I don't think there's a fatigue on hearings. I want to kind of jump in with, with my opinion on that. I, I do hear them saying, That they've had a lot of great witnesses, but I do know that they're getting blocked when it has to do with evidence, with footage. They've asked for access to the UAP archives of footage, which we know exists. You and I have been exposed to a lot of that, and they are being denied access to that and subpoena power. They haven't subpoenaed anybody yet. I mean, they've been the champions for disclosure, but the question is, what's the next step forward? Is it just having more people witnesses telling them, go look here, go look there?

• 7:23Jeremy Corbell?

  No. The next step is evidence. It's it's action taken on what they've already heard from people. You dropped so many bombs, specific names. You gave them names of gatekeepers of the UFO programs. They have some work to do where they have to kick open some doors, and I feel like they want to do it, and I feel like they will do it. But I think what you're feeling is something that that we felt, a little bit of fatigue, like you have to kick in doors to make project, to make progress on this topic.

• 7:57George Knapp?

  Yeah, well, you know, the impossible has been achieved. We've got all three of those members joining us today for Weaponized, and let's hear what they have to say.

• 8:07Jeremy Corbell?

  You guys are considered the champions of disclosure, like it or not, with the public. You've been breaking the mold. Recently, we've had UFO hearings again for the first time in 50 years, and Rep Luna, with your House Oversight Committee's task force on the declassification of federal secrets. You held for the first time under that committee, the last UFO or UAP hearing. So I just wanted to hear from each of you. You've heard a lot of testimony now. You've gotten a lot of leads. When you've gone to federal agencies, have you received any pushback or anything where they've stopped you from obtaining information that you've lawfully asked for?

• 8:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think that what was so neat about the last hearing is that Burlison had some footage dead dropped to him. Obviously, that was footage that they did not want to show the American people, and they didn't even really want to show Congress. And so even in following up on that, you know, it's one thing to have hearings where you have witness testimony, and that is all valid. We can confirm the credibility of the witnesses, et cetera. But when you actually have footage, like, physical evidence, and that's a huge deal. And I know Representative Burchett just joined us. So Burchett, we just actually kicked off the podcast, but I was telling him just about the first hearing that we had. And, long story short, you know, we were basically, after that, pretty aggressive on following up with specifically the Department of War in one area in particular where we were told

• 9:27Speaker 03

  that a lot of this footage would be housed. And of course, I'll let the other representatives tell you what happened, and I'm sure you can already assume, but we were denied access. So, you know, my thing is this. Look, if you're looking at this from a strictly scientific perspective, or strictly defense perspective, and you have members of Congress that are asking to see footage, and then they're constantly being denied it, why go through all of this orchestrated effort to block, stonewall, prevent information from coming out if it's not real?

• 9:57George Knapp?

  Representative Luna, I really appreciate you allowing Dina Titus, my representative from here in Nevada, to make the introduction to me back in that September hearing. It was a nice touch. I've been lobbying her for a while on these issues. Can you give us a general overview, all three of you, starting with you, Representative Luna, then Burchett, then Burlison, about the future of hearings? Is there any point in going forward with hearings if you are denied information, and even if, it seems like almost Department of War and CIA are demonstrating contempt for Congress in refusing to give you information? And even if you could get them into a SCIF, they have rules where they can't really tell you what they know?

• 10:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I feel like to a certain extent, we've kind of hit the limitations in what we can do as a task force because remember, they did not give me subpoena authority. There's ways that we can try to kind of go around that and I think we might make an attempt at that, but even then, so you know, it's way different than having total subpoena authority relying on whether or not the other members will weigh in on wanting to send a subpoena. So, and that's kind of where we're at also too, you know, I don't want to waste the American people's time. We can bring in more whistleblowers, but I want to bring them evidence. And so, we have asked pretty directly to, A, get access to the evidence that is, you know, in existence that we know about. And then also to, and by evidence, I mean whether it's footage, film, photos, etc. And then also too, though, we'd like that information released to the American people. So, I don't know that it

• 11:19Speaker 03

  would necessarily be conducive to do another hearing if we don't have the evidence that we want to present to the American people. And so, although I'm one person in this task force, and so I do lean heavily on my colleagues, and so I'll kick it to Burchett.

• 11:34Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, before Representative Burchett answers, I want to lead this into that. I was really impressed when we saw the footage that you guys obtained. So, George and I have obtained a lot. We've been looking to see what's safe to put out. That was, that was something when we were going to testify before, me and George, was we had certain assets the American public should see. So, your focus seems now on the evidence and that footage is important. And that was a monumental moment when Rep. Burlison and your whole team put forward some, some footage. So, yeah, I guess kick it to Rep. Burchett now. How you doing, my friend? I would love to hear where you're at on all of this. You've really fought hard with all this. Where are we at?

• 12:11Speaker 04

  Well, I'm honored to be here with you, especially with Representative Luna and Representative Burlison. They've really been in the trenches with me. I get patted on the back a lot just because, you know, my incredible good looks, I guess, puts me at the spotlight. But these two really, really asked the tough questions in the closed-door meetings, and they push it, and they push the envelope, which they should. I'm completely discouraged, as always, with this thing, as I was the very first time we met, Jeremy. And, and George, thank you, brother. I've always... Admired your journalistic integrity. Uh, back when I was a, I hate to say this always makes

• 12:52Speaker 04

  people feel bad. Back when I was a kid, I watched you and, you know, in Area 51 and, and all the rest of it. It's just, you know, I'm, and Jeremy, when I first contacted each other and said that he was gonna bring you along, I was, I was a little starstruck as you meant. I mean, I, I've hung out with Kid Rock, so there you go. That tells you anything. And I would, will tell you, you're, my dad would be very impressed with your office right there. My dad used to have a thing that said a clean desk is the sign of a sick mind. So obviously your, your mental capacity is very well, um, as I'm working.

• 13:27Speaker 03

  As I sit here at the clean desk.

• 13:28Speaker 04

  Yeah. Anyway, no, I, until we can get some, some good, uh, you know, I've said this many times, until either somebody walks out of a lab with something undeniable proof in there, and we can get it on YouTube before they're suicided, or the President of the United States comes to it. Everybody says, well, President Trump ran on this. Not really. It's, it's kinda like Epstein stuff. They just asked him in a, in a press conference once or twice about it, and he said, yeah, look, we're gonna, well, sure, well, let's release it. And now somebody's obviously got his ear. And, and we, um, we need to get to it. I trust Trump. I think he'll do the right thing. But until we get to that level, I think we're kinda spinning

• 14:13Speaker 04

  our wheels. I love to get people to come testify, but we get diminishing returns, as you all know. I mean, you all helped spearhead our very first hearing, which was incredible. I mean, you know, they said it was the largest attended hearing in over 10 years. And so, and we, we broke some ground there, but I'm afraid we're just breaking the same dead gum ground right now. And we got it. And with AI, I think we're getting set up a lot with stuff, not from you guys, but from some others that just get, you know, they wanna get a, a, a press release, and they're gonna put some, something out. And that gum, it, it looks great to me. I was looking at something this morning, and I thought, well, if that's real, that's it. But you know, it's always, it's this AI stuff. If I don't see it with

• 14:55Speaker 04

  my own two dead gum eyes, I don't believe it anyway now. Um.

• 14:59George Knapp?

  Representative Burlison, uh, you, do you, do you feel frustrated by DOW and CIA and those agencies that they have contempt for Congress? And do you have something in mind that might make future hearings more productive?

• 15:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, I appreciate the question. I think that we've had some amazing people come forward so far. I don't know how we top the, you know, the level of credibility of the witnesses that have already come forward. That being said, I think, you know, if we have witnesses that have the smoking gun in their hands, or have some really, some different, very compelling evidence, then I think that that would warrant having another hearing. Outside of that, I mean, we have a long list that we've been accumulating over the last year and a half or more of people that we need to talk to. And, but I think that if we were to call them to the hearing, these are people that would either plead the fifth,

• 15:56Speaker 05

  or say that they can't talk because we're not in a secure set. So it would be very pointless to do it. So I think that as far as our investigation going forward, for the time being, the only way to get to maybe the bottom of some answers is to do so through a subpoena process, so that we can give those witnesses cover, and then bring them into a secure setting. And, look, we have the authority, if, you know, as you've seen, I demonstrated very well in the committee hearing, a willingness to defy, you know, norms and release to the public, you know, a video. And so, and so I think that at the end of the day,

• 16:41Speaker 05

  if we know what we're doing is for the best for the American people, you know that the three of us are gonna do that. And so I think that that's, if that answers your question, that's kind of where the investigation is going from here. We have a list of also, names of files that we're gonna be requesting, that we have, you know, people have tipped us off these files exist. So, you know, and we'll see if they turn us down on that as well.

• 17:10George Knapp?

  Rep. Luna, you need subpoena power, right? To make this happen, your committee needs subpoena power. I've always wondered if we were giving this committee, the task force, they said, "You want to investigate UFOs? Fine, here you also got JFK, RFK, MLK, Epstein files." Like, they were giving you enough rope to fail at a limited timeframe. You took the challenge on anyway.

• 17:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, Epstein's now a full committee hearing, so that's now purview and jurisdiction of all of oversight just because it's such an immense thing. By the way, for an update on that, we're still winning on a list of names from the victims. So we've been following up weekly with the staff, and we haven't gotten anything yet, just for a quick update on that. But yeah, aside from that, I mean, the JFK stuff, we found some significant findings. I mean, we don't have the smoking gun, per se, but we have more than enough to say that the US government was absolutely involved, without a question of a doubt. And so we will actually have a final report coming out on that. But specifically to the subpoena authorities, really, how the task force has really been functioning is all on personal relationships. And so we have gotten some, and I don't want to say that the entire federal government is against what we're doing,

• 18:18Speaker 03

  because the fact is that there are certain directors that aren't, that are very much supportive of what we're doing. And we have had a lot of open communication, sometimes directly, maybe not necessarily with the staff, then like the under, the lower-level staff, but definitely at the director level, and they've been supportive of it. So I think that, you know, the difference between this administration, the last administrations, is the last administration didn't even pick up the phone. This administration's picking up the phone, and we are getting some forward momentum. Part of the reason why I said, you know, we wanted to specifically declassify, at least declassify the stuff that we've seen. I think that the American people deserve to see that. And, you know, if they think that it's a spy balloon, if they think that it's, you know, a Chinese drone,

• 19:00Speaker 03

  let them decide, but definitely don't keep it classified for no reason. And I think that that would answer a lot of questions. Certainly, you know, I came in looking at this to see what evidence we can be shown. When I'm being told as an investigator, you're being denied evidence, well, what do you think that says? So it's definitely has been an interesting... process, but I think moving forward, you know, we're going to continue to push on our end and to answer your question, we can do other things which we might try to do depending on if, you know, if we think it's going to be successful or not, to kind of work around not having subpoena authority. But again, you know, they gave me the task force because they know that I know the rules. And so we're figuring out ways to make it work. I feel

• 19:42Speaker 03

  like MacGyver, kind of from a parliamentary standpoint, if you guys know who MacGyver is, so.

• 19:47Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah.

• 19:47Speaker 04

  Can I, can I say something?

• 19:48Jeremy Corbell?

  Look, yes.

• 19:50Speaker 04

  Something I think needs to be addressed is I saw this morning Elon Musk had said that if he thought any of these were, you know, UFOs were, were from out of this world. And there's fancier words being used, but, but he said, you know, from what he'd seen within his SpaceX stuff, he thinks it's all domestic or whatever. It's all from this earth. And that, that, that goes back to our point that these departments by design are so compartmentalized. I was talking to a lady from NASA last night at a Christmas party, and she was asking me if I thought the UFOs were real. And I said, ma'am, you have this, you've defined the problem because you all have been so compartmentalized that,

• 20:34Speaker 04

  you know, and, and Luna and Burlison will, I suspect will agree with this. If they don't, don't embarrass me here on, on, on that podcast. But, you know, within departments, I mean, we'll have people tell us, yes, they exist. We, this is what we're seeing. And then another one say, no, we don't have any evidence of that. And it's just so compartmentalized by design to keep us off the track. You'd think they'd get some unified front and they'd have some blue ribbon committee or something. But the reality is, it's just, you, you've got some people that are trying to control. And that's what Washington is all about. It's control, it's power, it's money. And if you can figure it all that out, that's what, that's

• 21:16Speaker 04

  what the problem, where the problem lies, I think, in a lot of this, because you, you, when I sit in a meeting with these guys, and we've all been in the skiff. And you know, and we've all talked to pilots and we've talked to whistleblowers. And then you talk to somebody else in that and they say, no, we don't, I don't know what they're even talking about. You talk to our own intelligence committee. And you'll have members say, wow, this is something going on. And another one will say, I, yeah, I don't believe it. I just, we don't, we haven't seen any evidence of this. So anyway, I think that that's really part of the problem is that we don't have a group that's actually spearheading this. And they're all chasing available tax dollars.

• 21:55Speaker 04

  Cause until America came out, until people like yourself just came forward, you know, and then we did the polling and 55% of the country. Something else is going on. Now everybody's UFO crazy and these departments are coming to us thinking they're going to get more funding. Not that they believe anything's going on. So that's, that didn't last part of the problem. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to jump in on you. I'm not supposed to be drinking.

• 22:19Jeremy Corbell?

  No, no, this is an interview of you, man. But I want to nip, I want to nip that in the bud. I've heard that so much and I think it does a disservice when people like Musk talk about it that way. We know these are not our black projects. If you talk to the pilots from the Tic Tac episodes, right? There are protocols for black budget when you see them. We've spent so many resources investigating whose these are, whose these were. We're not sending our own craft up over nuclear sites and UFOs go back into history so far. That's a whitewash of the truth when people start saying these are our black projects, maybe one or two. But when we're talking about the vast majority of what looks like reconnaissance mission. Man, we have a real problem here.

• 23:00Jeremy Corbell?

  And if we're obfuscating by saying, oh, these are just ours, then we're missing the point. I want to go back to footage real quick. Arrow just released on their site, some three more images of UAP. It's hilarious. I have seen, George Knapp has seen, we've obtained better footage and Rep Burlison, we should talk about that. Talking about having people testify with evidence. We've offered that before. That's something George and I could talk to you about. Physical visual, visual evidence, but under Arrow's releases, they said, the performance characteristics and behaviors are unremarkable and do not warrant further analysis. So they put out three videos that they're not even going to investigate because they're unremarkable.

• 23:40Jeremy Corbell?

  Why did they put them out when you and your team were able to put out in this last hearing? A great piece of footage. Have you heard more about that footage since you put it, since you guys put it out?

• 23:52Speaker 03

  No, and just so you guys know, I have to leave actually in a few minutes, so I'll answer this and I'm gonna hop off and then kick it to Burlison and Burchett. You know, it's been interesting is Arrow from the Gecko has not been an honest broker with Congress. That's been my opinion. I don't think we need to keep funding Arrow. I think that they are a complete, whatever they are doing, unacceptable. But I also can tell you, we've seen some stuff that I want to get declassified that you just can't explain. And to say and to put out certain information, yet deny Congress access, we have the letter where they straight up denied out of the Department of War with this footage is housed. Us, even the ability to see it, even in a SCIF, that's a problem. It's a problem for a number of things. Even let's say, let's play devil's advocate. Let's

• 24:37Speaker 03

  say that this was technology from a foreign government. Don't you think you might want to inform Congress, especially the oversight bodies of Congress, to ensure that these things are legitimate? And so we have to be careful because, you know, the task force is valid and they've tried on a number of occasions, not just with this but other things. You know, we get people that talk to us all the time, giving us, you know, BS stories. But then we have the real legitimate ones that come forward. My concern is that if we put out then, information that is wrong, then they have a reason to take the task force. So it's a delicate balance of things, but I do appreciate my colleagues and I call Representative Burchett and Burlison my co-chairs on this topic. So I'm gonna kick it to my co-chairs. Thanks for all you guys are doing and we'll be in touch soon.

• 25:19George Knapp?

  Thank you.

• 25:20Speaker 03

  Thanks, guys.

• 25:20Jeremy Corbell?

  Thank you, Rep. Luna.

• 25:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, you know, I think, I think Arrow is, I think they're showing their work, if you will. They're kind of in a predicament where they, I don't, I don't think that they're getting the access that they need. That's the sense that I get when I talk to the people on Arrow, that, that they're kind of getting stonewalled in some aspects. So, but I think that what they're, what they're trying, attempting to do by releasing a video, like these photos of these videos that they, that they just recently released. And I'm not speaking for them, I'm just saying, like, in this world, for example, we had the Lou Elizondo image that somebody gave to him.

• 26:03Speaker 05

  He even, he even, you know, couched it that it wasn't, that he hadn't had time to look at it at this, this photo of the UFO and really it wasn't UFO, it was a, it was a geological feature of, of, of an agriculture area where there's two disk shaped, you know, fields make it, make the appearance of a floating UFO. If you guys remember that photo. Well, that, it's good that that's out there that people know that that's debunked, right? And the more, I think the Arrow can do to take any kind of photos or videos that start entering into the mainstream and debunk the ones that, that truly need to be debunked, then we can move on. So it's,

• 26:44Speaker 05

  to me, it's like finding a needle in a haystack. You, you, it's going to be a lot easier to find the needles if you start separating the, the parts of the hay from, that, that you know are not a needle, if that makes sense. So I think, I, I think that at the end of the day, we have to, we have to work with agencies like Arrow, but also know that, and at the end of the day, like, I don't know that I can trust anybody up here, anybody in this town. So you just, you just kind of have to, have to know that going into it.

• 27:16George Knapp?

  You released this video during the September hearing and it was a bomb going off. Have you had feedback from the Department of War or technical folks who may have worked with the kinds of sensors that picked that up, who've said, hey, here's what that is and tried to explain it? Or has it been the opposite of that?

• 27:34Speaker 05

  I, it's, that, the only thing I can say is I can't talk about it.

• 27:42Jeremy Corbell?

  Rep. Burchett, so you know, you've been fighting tooth and nail on this topic and I know it gets frustrating sometimes. Recently, you've been talking about how you were informed of underwater bases and that kind of thing. Did you find when you were informed about that, that it came from somebody credible? And is that something that's actionable?

• 28:01Speaker 04

  Yeah, I did, actually. And it's funny how when these things come out, as I know you Jeremy and you George are both and and to Eric, Representative Burles, excuse me, he's my buddy, he's a great friend. I'm probably close to half a dozen people in Washington that I'd actually trust and Eric happens to be one of them. He's a

• 28:22Speaker 05

  I catch you, Bert.

• 28:23Speaker 04

  I am. I don't need any compliments, dude. I'm good. You're you're a man. You're the man. You're steady and you study the things and you come to a rational conclusion. I tend to sometimes get a little emotional and jump at some of this stuff, get a little ticked off. But um, yeah, you know, I I've talked to several people and just the numbers alone, when you're seeing that that the sightings are over the ocean and then you do the little more research and a lot of these areas are deep, deep water areas. We have five or six of those. I'm not up. I don't know enough about the ocean, obviously. We know, as they've stated many times, we know more about the surface of the moon than we do this ocean floor. But these things are happening over deep, deep water areas and we have testimony

• 29:06Speaker 04

  and we have people telling us they've got on sonar something big as a dad gum football field going 200 miles an hour under the water. I mean, I, you know, I I've shoot guns occasionally, but if you shoot, if I'm sitting at the end of the pool, say I've got a 45 and I got a 30 foot pool and I shoot it, it won't even probably make it to the wall again, you know, the wall of the other side of the pool underwater. I mean, you know, this is something that we don't understand and yet we've continuously hid this stuff and not put it out to the public and I, and there's got to be a reason for it. And I don't think it's ours because

• 29:48Speaker 04

  we can do, we can put something around 30, maybe 40 miles an hour underwater. We probably had something a little faster. This is something exponentially faster than what we can understand and it's obviously not some animal. I mean, a megalodon wasn't even big as a football field.

• 30:06Speaker 04

  You can look up with a, that's a prehistoric shark. All they have is a tooth of it. They don't have anything else. But you know, that's evolution, I guess. That's scientists. I don't know. But anyway, um, yeah, and I've talked to too many people and it just seems to me that the, with the science that we have in our limited brains capability, that something traveling light years is, is just beyond our grasp. So to me, it makes more sense that if there is something out there, that they would have to be something based in an area. Now, where the heck are they gonna base it? They're not gonna base it in Knoxville, Tennessee, or New York City, or, I mean, even in the Amazon, because it, I mean, with satellite capabilities.

• 30:51Speaker 04

  But these deep, it just stand to reason that deep water would be where it was at. If we had this kind of capabilities, I'm just talking statistics. And then I've talked to the,

• 31:02Speaker 04

  you know, an admiral who stood right here in my office. I remember right before he went up that door, which was kind of unusual, because you guys have been in my office. Everybody walks in the, the regular door, but he wanted to go out the side door. And then as I was walking him out, he wanted to avoid anybody. He said to me, just looked at me straight in the eye and said, "Kim, these things are real." But I've had others since, after I've come out with this, you know, because people will openly mock me. My friend Matt Gates had me on. And he, I think he shares a similar belief. And he was asking me about it and I, and I said, "Look, I'm not saying it, it's the truth. I'm just saying that this is statistically where this stuff has happened."

• 31:42Speaker 04

  So immediately what happens is guys like me and Burlison get made fun of when we come aboard with something like this. But here I am at a dad gum Christmas party last night. Nobody asked me about Obamacare. Nobody asked me about the border. Three people, three people, and these are educated people, come up to me and say, "Hey, brother, what's the story on these UFOs?" Or they say, "I'm a believer. I saw something. I can't explain it." And they say, "Thank you." I'm walking through the dad gum airport, Washington DC. This rather large man walks past me. It's kind of unusual because he was carrying a, um, thought it was a volleyball, but it was a soccer ball.

• 32:28Speaker 04

  Obviously, I didn't play either one of those. I played football, but. Probably due to the head injuries, that's why I'm sitting here talking to y'all like a babbling idiot. But, and I'll never forget this, it was three weeks ago at the Washington Airport and he was going the opposite direction. And he said, and I just thought, that's kinda unusual, I didn't think much of it. And I heard somebody yell, Congressman Burchett, Congressman Burchett, and I have an inner ear problem. So, sometimes those voices, I think, are inside my head. And I turned, and this rather large man walks up to me and says, and I, I won't say what department he worked for, but he was in the intelligence. And he looked at me straight in the eye and said, "Are they real?" And I said, "I believe they are."

• 33:12Speaker 04

  He said, "Man, that gummit, I knew it." And I, and you know, we had a conversation, it was just, you know, it was just a random deal, so... America's hungry for this, and thank you guys, both y'all. You too, Eric, but these two guys have been, they're pioneers in this thing, they've been carrying the water on this forever. Because America wants to know the truth, and I think we deserve to know the truth. Again, I, I've been in many conversations with people and they start on me, you know, little green men, blah, blah, blah, flying saucers, whatever, Burchett, you've been probed or something, you know, just something smart, Eli. And I said, "Look, I just wanna know what we're spending a billion dollars on, the bottom line."

• 33:54Speaker 04

  You're tell, I got one group saying they don't exist in the department, other groups say they do exist. Burlison and I have both seen things that we're not allowed to talk about. What the hell is going on, and where's our dad gum money going to? And, and, and that's what we need, and that's why nobody trusts government. Not just the UFO issue, but the whole thing. Cause we are arrogant and we think we know better. The Bible talks about that and says, "Professing yourself to be wise, you became a fool." Dad gum, this town's run by fools, because we need to trust the American public. Cause I mean, these are educated people coming up to me, dude. It's not all just people like me. These are heavily educated folks that are talking about this stuff, so. All right, we heard your

• 34:38Speaker 04

  But it just really gets me ticked off and you guys have been great. And thank you, Burlison, because that gum, you came at this thing and wide open and, um, you know, and, uh, and, and you've been, some things have been disclosed to you that have, you know, that you, you, you maybe at the, at the time didn't, didn't fully grasp it all, but that gum, you got it now and I appreciate you, brother. Cause you're not one of those that turns on you. You don't turn and run. So thank you, brother.

• 35:10George Knapp?

  Representative Burch, we heard you say, uh, to in another interview that you pretty much know where at least five of these bases are and that you know why they're in that spot. Is it something beyond it's deep and it's hidden? Or is there some other reason where these USO bases might be where you believe they are?

• 35:29Speaker 04

  I think it's deep, it's hidden. And, uh,

• 35:34Speaker 04

  I think some people know about it. If, if, if in fact they exist, I think they do. And I, you know, I, the more you get into this thing, the more the, the people come to you and I'm, as I stated, I'm a Christian. I'm not a very good one. And, and people talk about it being demonic and that back and forth and how it could upset the balance of Christianity and stuff. And I just don't believe that, dude. I think Genesis one, God created the heavens and the earth. First chapter of Ezekiel. Ezekiel saw the wheel, a wheel within a wheel. And, um,

• 36:10Speaker 04

  I just, I, I think it's, honestly, do you think we're the best God can do? And I, I think there's some people that, that get it. And, um, either they're not allowed to talk or they've been silenced. And that's why they discredit people like me and Burlison or try to.

• 36:28George Knapp?

  The two of you get hammered with the same kind of stuff that Jeremy and I get slapped with pretty much every day and it kind of rolls off our backs after a while. Has anyone taken it further where they, they want to use it as an issue in upcoming elections for either or both of you?

• 36:42Speaker 04

  Yeah, they have. They've used it against me and it's more of a whisper campaign and a dark money kind of thing. Um, for me anyway, and it, and it affects my ability to raise money. Cause I don't raise a lot of money and that's how they kill you off up here is they cut your, I'm not, not, I'm not able to raise the money that a lot of my colleagues do. But go ahead, Eric. I'm sorry.

• 37:07Speaker 05

  No, I I've had a reporter who I think is absolutely has demonstrated that he's a disgusting person, uh, actually try to recruit my opponents. So on the, you know, on social media, if we're on over this topic, if that gives you an idea, it I'm not afraid of that, but it, you know, there's certainly, uh, we do draw some attention, some negative attention.

• 37:32George Knapp?

  Has anyone come to you and said, look, there's a good reason this has been a secret for so long. You know, we've had other presidents have expressed interest in it, other members of Congress over the decades. There seems to be something that they use at the end to tell people like you guys, this is why we can't spill the beans on this topic.

• 37:52Speaker 04

  I've I've had that deep throat moment, you know, the the moment where um, the Nixon thing where they come to you in a, in an area, you know, it's and and I always heard they always use somebody you know that's close to you. And I've had that moment. I was in the tunnel. Somebody that kind of shocked me really came up to me and said, Burchett, said, you really want to do this? You really want to upset this apple cart? And um, and and and said that um, how it could affect, you know, religion and all this other stuff. And you know, and I and I go back to Moskowitz. I don't know if y'all remember Jared Moskowitz

• 38:37Speaker 04

  in the one of the opening um, press conferences. Jared, I I'm jealous of his brain because he's got a, I mean, we don't agree politically on a lot of things, but his brain is incredible. And he said, you know, this, this, the arrogance of these people thinking that we can't handle this. It's not their, it's not their job to decide what we can handle. He said it much more eloquent way. But anyway, but yeah, I've had that moment. And I've more than once, but one particularly sticks in my head.

• 39:10George Knapp?

  Representative Burlison, same thing?

• 39:14Speaker 05

  Um, I've had some amazing conversations. Uh, a lot of people that won't come forward are some of the most amazing conversations of whether they have their, their story is that they worked for a contractor of a contractor of a contractor, right? And then, and they've, they were basically working in some way or, or touched this topic, encountered a UAP directly. Um, I've, I've spoken to people who, um, who the intelligence community has a level of credible belief that they are, that they have the ability to talk to, like mentally talk to, um, some, some kind of entities.

• 39:58Speaker 05

  That's, that's a, that was a conversation in my office that I'll never forget. I'm not saying that I believe everybody that I talk to, but what I, what I do believe is the people that come forward and the people that I do talk to, they believe what they've experienced. And, and I, and I don't think that, um, at the end of the day, I take, that's why I'll meet with anybody, pretty much anybody. Um, a lot of, and when you get involved in this topic, you guys know this, there's so many factions in the UAP community that you'll have people say, well, you can't talk to that person, you can't trust them and they're, you know, X, Y, Z. I'm, I don't, that's not my, that's not the way I operate. I, I will talk to you. I'm not gonna, I'm not, because, and if somebody has a beef with another person, I, I'm not gonna,

• 40:43Speaker 05

  I don't have the beef, like, right, with the other person. So I'm gonna talk to them. And I, and I'm gonna listen. I'm gonna take them seriously. But I'm also gonna, I'm gonna try to like, keep that information and kind of, um, ascertain what is, what, what can you truly investigate to, to verify what they're saying? And then, and what, what's, what's the truth, right? And so, um, I do believe that a lot of people coming forward are true patriots. And, uh, and they, they have seen something that they can't explain. Now, I, I do think that sometimes people do jump to conclusions often. And I, and I, I've come to the conclusion that if this is real, if it truly is UAP, it's probably, and we all have to recognize this, that

• 41:29Speaker 05

  99.9% of the photos, the videos, the, the, the, the interactions people have are probably not something extraterrestrial. And it doesn't mean that maybe, just maybe that 1% truly is. But I think that we have to recognize the fact that, uh, I think Elon Musk was probably right in that if aliens do exist, they're pretty subtle. Uh, I think that they're pretty good at hiding themselves.

• 41:55George Knapp?

  Yeah. Yeah. Um, Tim, Representative Burge, you've, uh, made public statements that you're trying to get 15 minutes with the president to talk to him and to encourage him to go ahead and spill the beans. I'd like to hear from both of you. What percentage you, you would give on the likelihood of that happening? Because as you both know, he's had briefings before.

• 42:14Speaker 04

  Right.

• 42:14George Knapp?

  He's heard from our best pilots. He said, yeah, these are brilliant guys, but yeah, I don't really believe it.

• 42:19Speaker 04

  Well.

• 42:19George Knapp?

  What do you think?

• 42:20Speaker 04

  A hundred percent. If I get 15 minutes with him, I'm gonna talk to him about it. Um, what he'll do is, is, is a Trumpism is what he'll do.

• 42:28Speaker 05

  I think where you come about the truth, there are one of two ways. It's going to be outside of, of the government. The government is, I don't believe that these, the intel agency or the Pentagon is going to, is going to actually come forward with the evidence. It's going to have to take an executive action by the president, or the other way that it could happen is completely outside of, of this government, uh, whether it's private individual, um, or, or, or, or another country. I think that that's probably the scenario because we just have too much pushback from within our, our, our established, uh, you know, military industrial complex.

• 43:05Jeremy Corbell?

  I've got a question for you, um, Rep Burlison. So I remember when you showed the, the footage that you were going to put out in the hearing and what was great was George and I had already been exposed to that video. We were able to confirm it. If you remember, I got you on the phone with somebody later that night who was a Navy officer who was, who was able to affirm to you that that is an actual, um, you know, on a server, a UAP being fired at to the best of their knowledge. So you've really put yourself out there. You fought hard to, to get this information forward. I just want to recognize. A few things you've done. In the last hearing, you encouraged people to read the Immaculate Constellation Report by Matthew Brown. You said that during the hearing. I really appreciate that. I think it's very important.

• 43:50Speaker 05

  It takes such great courage to come forward, and we acknowledge that, and I hope that you see that we are taking that seriously. And so, very thankful for what you're doing today. I'm also very thankful for previous witnesses that have come forward. I see Matthew Brown in the audience. He courageously stepped forward and was as a witness. I encourage everybody to look and seek his testimony.

• 44:14Jeremy Corbell?

  You also entered into Congressional Record. It was, these words will ring for me. You said, "I'm entering Lukatsky's claim for the record regarding the DIA's assessment of non-human craft entry and materials." That was based on George's in my interview with Dr. Lukatsky where he says, "We have, the government has a UFO." He ran the UFO program. Dr. James Lukatsky came on our show. He ran the UFO program for the Defense Intelligence Agency, and he admitted on our show that they breached the home of a UFO in government possession.

• 44:47Speaker 05

  You reported James Lukatsky came to you with government possession of NHI craft and how they ultimately gained entry. Can you testify to the veracity of that claim?

• 44:59George Knapp?

  Dr. Lukatsky is an honorable man who served most of his career with the DIA, a very trusted, high-level rocket scientist and intelligence analyst who inspired the OSAP program, as I said earlier. He said this craft, we had managed to get inside of it. It had no wings, no rotor, no tail. It had no fuel, no fuel tanks. They didn't know how it flew or how it was operated. It clearly looked like it was aerodynamic, but he would not go further. He's a by-the-book guy, and until he gets clearance to say more about that, I don't think we're going to hear much more. But it's not ours. It wasn't ours. We didn't make it. We didn't know who made it and how it was built and how it operated.

• 45:42George Knapp?

  We've got at least one, and I don't know, I think that's enough confirmation that we do have recovered discs and materials.

• 45:49Jeremy Corbell?

  And you put that in Congressional Record. Do you have a way that you can find out where is it? He can't tell us, but maybe he can tell you. Where is that craft? Can you go hunt it down? Can you go see it?

• 46:04Speaker 05

  You know, that's an interesting question. Um, when it came to Lukatsky and I, I watched his interview that he did with you guys. And I, I, here's, here's what I, my response to him is, because he was frustrated that we hadn't reached out to him. But he also kind of, he also admitted that, which is what I was told. And the reason why we haven't reached out to him is that he's not going to tell us anything that's not in his books.

• 46:27Jeremy Corbell?

  Well, hold on, hold on. You did reach out to him. There had been three hearings. I reached out to them on behalf of Congress officially.

• 46:33Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 46:34Jeremy Corbell?

  Twice to say, and I had congressional members talk with him, the hearing before the last one, he just forgot. But the point is, is that maybe with you guys in the correct environment, with the right clearances, he can tell you where it is and you can just put this to bed and go find it.

• 46:52Speaker 05

  Yeah. And I remember that. I remember that he was one of the people that we had, that we had tasked you to go to reach out to. And for those people that are kind of asking what, why would we? Why, how did that relationship work? Look, we don't have all the contact information for all these people. Why, why repeat the work that you two have done? In building these contacts in your networks. And so you basically patriotically dedicated your time for free. Helping us make contact and kind of coordinate some of those, those witnesses. And, and, um, you know, I had been told Lukatsky. Is probably not going to reveal anything that, um, you know, that, that he has already revealed.

• 47:33Speaker 05

  We, everybody, when I would talk to people, I, it seemed like it wasn't going to be new information. And therefore it, to me, he wasn't as high of a priority. But to your point, I think getting him in a skiff and seeing if there's, if there's maybe any additional room for him to talk. That would be, it might be worthwhile to do that.

• 47:53George Knapp?

  I think he might. I mean, the last conversations that we've had, it seems like he's edging closer to the idea that under right circumstances. He would be willing to share information with Congress, which would be great. I want to ask you this. You were both aware of the, the film Age of Disclosure. The one thing that was new to me in that film was the statement by. James Clapper, former DNI, admitting that the US Air Force has had an ongoing UFO investigation, a UFO program. In one sense, that doesn't describe, that doesn't surprise me at all, but for him to say it on the record, that seems like that's something that Congress could pursue, should pursue, and Clapper needs to explain how this thing has been hidden, and the US Air

• 48:37George Knapp?

  Force has to be called on the carpet to answer about that. Right?

• 48:41Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 48:42George Knapp?

  Robert Burchett?

• 48:42Speaker 04

  I agree 100%. When they make a public disclosure like that, we need to, we need to call them on the carpet. And, and I, I would hope that we would, would get to the bottom of it, you know. The problem you'll have is, of course, when they get the pressure and they get the visit from the guys in the suits, they're gonna say, oh, it was misquoted, it was taken out of context, and, you know, the usual stuff, and the usual suspects will walk away, and then we're left scratching our heads on what the heck's going on again.

• 49:16Speaker 04

  And I would, and I warn folks, everybody, you know, and Eric, Eric's seen this happen many times, when they put us in the skip with somebody, and then they tell us something, you know, we're not allowed to talk about it. And then, that's why a lot of times I won't go to classified briefings, because I kinda know what they're gonna say, and I'm afraid if it's something that I've already processed, that I can't talk about it, and it's a trap, and the big boys use that on us.

• 49:45George Knapp?

  Representative Burlison, that's, go ahead.

• 49:48Speaker 05

  I think we need, we need to have him, have a conversation with Clapper. I think that it's gonna have to be behind closed doors. Because, we, there's no possible way that he will agree to come to a public hearing, unless he's subpoenaed, because of the other out, activity outside of UAP.

• 50:07Speaker 05

  That, you know, that he's currently being investigated on by this administration, right? So I think that, we, you know, we, we will have to have that conversation in, in a private way.

• 50:20George Knapp?

  Just seems like the US Air Force has been incredibly non-productive and non-open, not very open with Congress, with the public, ever since the December of 2017, when the topic got a real jolt from the New York Times article. You know, the Navy has made it easier for pilots to report, the stigma has been decreased. We don't hear anything from the Air Force. You know, Project Blue Book supposedly ended their investigation, even though it wasn't much of investigation, it was more like a PR exercise, and they've been silent ever since. You know they've got data, you know they've got videos and evidence, and now that we know that there is an ongoing program, seems like they need to come to Jesus and spill

• 51:05George Knapp?

  some beans.

• 51:06Speaker 04

  I agree.

• 51:08Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:09Speaker 04

  I agree. I couldn't agree with you more. And I'm looking forward to that day, but I'd warn you, just like that big UFO report that's supposed to come out about seven years ago or whatever, and I said it's gonna look like a... they're gonna... and they were saying it's coming out tomorrow, it's gonna be big, and then I said, "It's not coming out tomorrow." I said, "They'll pull it back." And what they have was a real report that told some real facts that would have shook up the status quo, and they pulled it back, and I said, "It's gonna look like somebody shot it with a 12-gauge." Of all the stuff redacted out of it, and that's exactly what happened. They pulled it back 30 days later, and they brought out this bogus report that said absolutely nothing, and there we are.

• 51:54Speaker 05

  I think we need to hear also from the Department of Energy. That seems to be an area that has not been... there's not much oversight over the classified sections of the Department of Energy, and so I think that that's an area that there's some strings that we need to pull in there.

• 52:16Jeremy Corbell?

  So like, closed-door briefings, or in-skiffs, or public, we all want public, but there are some things that gotta be done behind closed doors. In the last hearing, when George was testifying, I think it was Rep. Burchett who asked the question, or I think it was both of you, you know, "Who are some of the gatekeepers?" And George actually named a name, Glenn Gaffney.

• 52:37Speaker 06

  Are any of you willing to name specific gatekeepers within the root cell of the UAP SAP Federation?

• 52:46George Knapp?

  You mean specific people and contractors that have dealt with this and kept the secret?

• 52:50Speaker 06

  Specific individuals.

• 52:52George Knapp?

  Glenn Gaffney, CIA.

• 52:54Speaker 06

  Glenn Gaffney, CIA. Another question for you, Mr. Knapp.

• 52:58Jeremy Corbell?

  He was the CIA's Science and Technology Head at the time when Lockheed Martin was trying to take UAP material and transfer them over to the OSAP program, which was the true UFO program that received the $22 million called OSAP. Dr. James Lakatsky ran that. So he gave you in testimony, George did, a name of one of the gatekeepers, Glenn Gaffney, CIA Science and Technology at that time of the material transfer of UFO materials from Lockheed to a government program called OSAP under the DIA. Now that you know that, can you go after an interview with Glenn Gaffney from the CIA and ask him, what was this all about, this UFO transfer that's now recorded in history?

• 53:42Jeremy Corbell?

  Can you go after him, you guys?

• 53:46Speaker 05

  Right there.

• 53:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think we can, we can certainly reach out. He's one of the people that's on my list. Well, at this point, we've got, I mean, it's a long list. And we're, I'm, I'm gonna have to go to the chairman, Chairman Comer, and, and kinda ask him what, you know, and, and kinda give him the list to say, this is, these are the people I need to talk to. Some of them we may have to subpoena. Are you willing to do that? And, and that's what, that's where we are at this point. And so we've been gathering those names and those files. And that's, that's, that's our next step.

• 54:21Jeremy Corbell?

  You also said that you and Bertie might use-

• 54:23Speaker 05

  I don't want to keep trickling it to him. Reason why, I don't want to keep trickling it to him because I can't do that to the chairman, right? I, I really need to just bring it all at once as opposed to, you know, occupy his time on this.

• 54:35Jeremy Corbell?

  Right, like, here are the subpoenas we need for this task force, and, and here's the whole list. We want to talk with them, not even in the public realm, but we, we need information because we've been given information by people that have testified that they have information for us. So I, I suspect you're gonna do that. You also mentioned to me that you and Rep. Burchett might do something on the floor about subpoenas, hostile, non-hostile. Did I get that right? It was a previous conversation we had. Are you about to do something?

• 55:03Speaker 05

  That is a possibility that we could, that Tim and I and Anna can, in our committee, drop a motion to, to actually subpoena these, and it would be one motion. If, if that gives you an idea why, why we're, we're building up to this. It would be one motion, and then, just like what happened with the Epstein list, that was done by, Tim, correct me if I'm wrong, you were the one that, that offered that motion to subpoena the Epstein files, and to subpoena the, the, that information, and that was done in a, in one motion by Tim in our, in our oversight, one of the subcommittees, if I remember right. Yep. So that's something that we can do.

• 55:45Speaker 05

  I want to make sure that we don't, I, I'm going to talk to the chairman before we do that, and, but, and make it clear, I mean, we're going to do it, if you're, we're, we will, we would prefer to not be, have to do it behind the chairman's back, if that makes sense.

• 56:01George Knapp?

  One last question, drones. So drones be deviling the public all over the East Coast, over sensitive military installations, 17 nights in a row over Langley, they shut down Ray Patterson, and then we were told, even though the FBI is investigating it and other agencies, oh yeah, that's approved, no worries about that. Where are we on drones? Is that all explained? Did that mystery go away? Tim?

• 56:24Speaker 04

  I'm going to jump in, I don't think so. I, you know, I, again, these dead gum UFOs, they keep saying they're ours, and then so why are they risking multi-billion dollar aircraft and, and personnel? I, I don't think, I just don't buy that. I don't buy that at all. I think, I think if, if they come out and say what they know, and what I think they know, I, I think they'll, they'll show that our, our, we let our guard down, and that these, these things can, could easily shut us down, so they have to say that. Whatever the drones are, I suspect they're more domestic than they are intergalactic, but I, I, because they, they stay in the air longer than anything that we have commercially

• 57:08Speaker 04

  available, and, and I think if we, if we, we, we said, oh hey, we got these things, these things are, could shut us down, then I think our enemies would realize what they, some more of our enemies could realize what they could do to us. That makes sense.

• 57:27George Knapp?

  Representative Burlison, same question?

• 57:31Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think that we have got to as a nation. I mean, we've been caught with our pants down. Whether it was the Chinese spy balloon or the drones in New Jersey. It's embarrassing that this country, we can't really defend ourselves. There were rumors in Capitol Hill during the that leading up to the inauguration that there might be a drone attack. These were just rumors. Um, you know, and if you think about it, if you if you have an attack that's somewhat similar to what happened with when Ukraine launched hundreds of drones on on the Russian military bases. If you if you can imagine a semi truck launching, you know, drone hundreds of drones at an inaugural platform that that's, you know, where you have all members of Congress,

• 58:16Speaker 05

  the incoming president, the vice president and and nearly and the richest people on the planet all on one stage and and you got to take down hundreds of drones. I think that we have we have got to figure this problem out. This is a real problem, whether it's whether it's that kind of threat or at an airport. I mean, God forbid, somebody flies a drone into an engine of a plane. Um, we we have got to figure out how to take these things down.

• 58:46Jeremy Corbell?

  I really want to say I really appreciate the way you guys are fighting for this and coordinating. I know you get your hands dirty from the first hearing with Rep. Burchett. If you remember Rep. Burchett, we were pushing a boulder uphill, but I feel like we have to look back and say we've made a lot of progress since then. You've got all these great people you're working with now. You're all fighting for it. I've seen you in the trenches, Rep. Burlison. I've seen you out there doing investigations too, and I really appreciate all of that. I can tell you intel agencies are scared of you. They are scared of Congress and I offline, I'll explain that to you. The direct interactions I've had, you guys have power. You have power to to dig in and uncover some of this mystery about the UFOs.

• 59:29Jeremy Corbell?

  And I know intel agencies that want to keep this tight are worried. They're going to try to cut the legs out of what you can do. So you have a real opportunity right now, and I really appreciate you guys fighting for it. And I like that the team is building and growing. Um, I think we're going to make progress if you guys keep fighting. I really just appreciate you.

• 59:49George Knapp?

  Thank you both so much for your time. Thanks for the time. We appreciate it.

• 59:54George Knapp?

  So, obviously, what we've heard from those three members of Congress, they are frustrated in not being able to get the information that they want. I mean, their constitutional duty is oversight. It's right there in the original founding documents, that they're supposed to oversee the executive branch, the military CIA, and it's clear that they're not getting cooperation from those and other agencies, and they want subpoena power to try to help get past that. Number two, we asked them about a US Air Force program, which was the one big thing that I thought was especially newsworthy in the age of disclosure film, where James Clapper, this longtime intelligence honcho,

• 1:00:37George Knapp?

  admits that the US Air Force has been studying UFOs and collecting information, which, of course, we all suspected was going on. So it's not a surprise in that sense, but it is a surprise that he would admit it in public, on the record, and I think that they're probably going to want to dig into that. The third thing that comes out of this for me is, they've actually kicked around the idea of not having more hearings because they're so frustrated, and until they get the powers they need to actually force people to come forward and testify, whether they're friendly or unfriendly witnesses, I think maybe they might be giving it a pause for a while. I hope not. In my sense, even though they're not getting all that they want,

• 1:01:19George Knapp?

  the fact that they hold the hearings at all is so supremely important. It tells the public in an indirect, non-direct way that this is an important issue, and it galvanizes public interest, and I would think it generates new witnesses. The one thing that we don't hear from them is whether or not they feel there's a need to evaluate disclosure, if that's what it's going to be, to figure out whether it's really a good idea. Hal Putoff, our mutual friend, Dr. Hal Putoff, I've known him for almost 30 years. He's revealed in public a number of times in the past couple of years that he was part of an extraordinary experiment and a

• 1:02:03George Knapp?

  Gathering back in the regime in the first administration of George H W Bush, Father Bush. They gather all these big brainiacs together in in DC. Gave them all this information and asked them to figure out whether disclosure is a good idea. And although how put off isn't generally in favor of the public knowing more. By the end, and as were some of the other people who were in that room. By the end, they looked at the checklist and figured disclosure is not such a good idea. They maybe Congress should consider something like that. Before they take a step that is irreversible and figure out whether disclosure is a good idea. And how far you might go in revealing information to the public.

• 1:02:49Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah, absolutely, man. And you know. I I I I'm. I don't think they're going to stop doing hearings. I I think what they need to be doing is focusing on video evidence. They admitted video evidence and in private calls with with them, they've admitted the video evidence is the key. They are being denied that video evidence. Well, I think we can help them out, George, on that. That was the intent a long time ago with you and me testifying at all was showing them some of what it is that has crossed our paths along the way. Right now, we've got Arrow, and I know Rep Burlison was kind of defending Arrow, like I think they're just doing their job.

• 1:03:30Jeremy Corbell?

  You know, they're trying to eliminate things and and that is true. I'm sure there's a lot of great people working at Arrow, but from a public standpoint, I know for a fact that they are giving us low information videos up there. And and then afterwards, just saying the performance characteristics and behaviors are unremarkable and do not warrant further analysis. Come on, we've seen the best UFO videos come out from the military through journalism. The fact that they're putting up these really stupid videos, I'm sorry, I got no love for that. Representative Luna said to me on a call the other day, she's like, I want to defund Arrow. She feels they're being disingenuous with Congress. So, look, they have to take the power back.

• 1:04:12Jeremy Corbell?

  And I think there's a few ways to do that. They mentioned getting subpoenas, putting them in a big list. Taking them to their boss and saying, these are the people who want a subpoena. So I feel like they want more hearings. They just want to be able to get the right content in those hearings, and that's what they're fighting for.

• 1:04:30George Knapp?

  Yeah, it was interesting to hear that they have developed a long list of names of people they want to pull in and question, and a long list of files, specific files they've been told about that they can't get access to. What was really interesting is Representative Burlison, we asked him about the video that he uncorked at that congressional hearing back in September, an amazing piece of footage that we had seen before. And I was wondering, look, did some experts, did the military come over and try to tell you what that represented? What the real deal is? He can't talk about it. And it sort of goes to something that Representative Birch had said, is he no longer goes to classified briefings, because you go in there, you hear something, you can never talk about it. And that applies to things

• 1:05:14George Knapp?

  he knew before he went into the briefing. So he's not going there anymore, because to him, it seems like a trap.

• 1:05:20Jeremy Corbell?

  Well, he can't talk about it, but I can tell you that he was not told that this was just some ordinary thing. You know, see, that's the problem, as you're saying, with going to classified briefings, this is not a resolved case, and at all. And so I think that it sucks that he had to hear that in a classified setting and can't reaffirm that to us. But I can tell you that I can guarantee you that that is not a video of something that is known, and that's why it's still identified as UAP. But anyway, something that happened at the hearing, there's this cool little clip where you're walking, you know, right past, right after you testified, and Rep. Burlison reached over to you and says, look, you know, we've got people, we want to subpoena, I could use your help with

• 1:06:05Jeremy Corbell?

  creating that list. And I have definitely helped, you know, kind of give names to that. And our show has helped give names to that. But if you have more names, George, you were asked at the hearing by Rep. Burlison on camera, I caught a little clip of it on camera, and you should help him and give him some of those names, because he is putting Santa's little list together of subpoenas, both hostile and non-hostile. And how powerful would that be? Because if he doesn't want to do it behind his boss's back, wants to go take it to his boss and drop it all at once. But he also did mention that on the floor, they can do it with one swoop, once they have all the names together.

• 1:06:41Speaker 03

  What did you think of George Knapp here, naming some names today?

• 1:06:45Speaker 05

  I've got some names I want to go over with you. I've got some names I want to go over with you, people that we're looking at potentially subpoena.

• 1:06:54Speaker 03

  Add some names to that list. So are you, are you serious about subpoenaing names? Like Luna said that Kirkpatrick.

• 1:06:59Speaker 05

  That's what I was requesting. That's what I, look, again, I think we've had enough talk. It's time to bring the people in. It's time, it's time to shake things up. And otherwise, nothing's going to break loose. It's just going to continue to be the status quo.

• 1:07:15Jeremy Corbell?

  So I highly encourage that you also, George, like help give them some names.

• 1:07:19George Knapp?

  I got a few. I've been, I'm down here in the, the real low bunker and it's been infested with cats. I don't know if you can hear that in the background.

• 1:07:27Jeremy Corbell?

  It's mellow.

• 1:07:28George Knapp?

  He wants a little airtime. Well, I think it was great that we were able to get all three of them on at the same time. I think it's great that they know that they're welcome on this platform anytime they want to share a message with the public. And it seems to me that they are all still strongly committed to getting to the bottom of this. And that's, that's great for the public.

• 1:07:48Jeremy Corbell?

  Yeah. And one last thing about something, you know, hopefully they can be armed with. You will recall, we've talked about it before, you and I did come into a hearing at one point when, when, before you testified. And you were able to show Rep. Burchett a hundred plus page technical report on the Tic Tac UFO stuff. And that was unable to be put into congressional record because of the agreements that have been made when, when journalists obtain certain things. And you, that's an honor. It's an oath that you take and I, and I understand that. But why that's important to me, and I'm bringing it up now, is because every time I talk to these spooks. They tell me, well, we don't look into the Tic Tac stuff because we don't have enough data.

• 1:08:33Jeremy Corbell?

  They, they love not dealing with the Tic Tac because of not enough data. All the spooks come at it that way. Now here's the deal. There is data, there is information, and people asking me should be in position to obtain that information. So I just want to call bullshit on that. There's a ton of data, a ton of data on the Tic Tac UFO cases. And I really hope that can get into the right hands so it can go public.

• 1:09:00George Knapp?

  Well, I feel the same way. I don't see anything in the, the document you're referring to. Not that I have them, but I don't, I'm unaware of anything. I'm, I'm not aware of anything in those documents that should not be made public. There's no something, there's not, nothing that's going to endanger US national security from making that information public. So far, I guess DIA has said they can't find it. Um, I can help them, I think. I can help them with some people that worked on that program.

• 1:09:30Jeremy Corbell?

  And I think they should be exposed to similar videos and things that you and I have been exposed to because what's being put out by Arrow is total bullshit.

• 1:09:39George Knapp?

  Yeah, one thing we did not get into in any detail in this conversation, but maybe we'll do so privately, is that there's something coming for them. There is something coming aimed at Congress that is going to attempt to get them to back off. And because Congress is a threat, as you mentioned, Congress is a real threat to the keepers of the secrets. You know, the mainstream media, media, the major players have been intimidated and have backed off. New York Times started this ball rolling with a really great story by Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kane. But they're not publishing any more UFO stories. The Washington Post has been purchased by a billionaire. Its editorial policy has changed quite dramatically.

• 1:10:23George Knapp?

  They're not going to dump out some UFO stories. The major networks, news networks have been intimidated. They've had to pay, pay millions of dollars to the president for perceived slights. They're intimidated to a great degree. So, you know, the media landscape has changed. That means, um, the members of Congress are the only ones really with the power to get to the bottom of this. And so I think they're being targeted by something that's going to drop real soon. And that's, I hope they can withstand the pressure from that.

• 1:10:57Jeremy Corbell?

  Right, so intelligence agencies are afraid of the power that Congress has for oversight. And you and I have seen directly that there is a crosshairs on Congress to try to influence, manipulate, and cut the legs out of their UAP inquiry. And I think as long as they're forewarned, they didn't seem too worried about it and actually seemed pretty hip to it. They, they seemed to understand that they were a target. And this is something, a conversation we had offline, not on this show. But yeah, we give them a heads up that we see the writing on the wall, what's going to come at them. And, you know, we'll see where that goes, but I, I think it's not going to be effective. And these, these individuals, you know, love or hate their politics. I don't even know a lot about politics, but as human beings, they are fighting to try to get this info.

• 1:11:42Jeremy Corbell?

  They're curious, like you and me. So they're fighting to try to get this information. I'm really appreciative. All three came on. That was Rep Luna's idea is to get us all together, which I thought was really cool. So I hope people enjoyed it. I really enjoyed it, George. Thanks for doing that with me. And, um, you know, maybe we should do a year end review after this episode. What do you think?

• 1:12:02George Knapp?

  Yeah, that's a good idea, but let's not make it at like three in the morning. You're like a slave driver, you know? Get in the whip.

• 1:12:10Jeremy Corbell?

  All right, man. You take care. Thanks, George.