Ep. 657: MeatEater Radio Live! The Brothers of Oak Island, A Mexico Check-In, and Invasive Pike

Hosts Steven Rinella https://www.themeateater.com/people/steven-rinella, Brody Henderson https://www.themeateater.com/people/brody-henderson, and Maggie Hudlow https://www.themeateater.com/people/maggie-hudlow chat with Rick and Marty Lagina of The Curse of Oak Island, get a Mexico Coues deer update from Randall and Seth, learn about invasive pike in Alaska from Parker Bradley of ADF&G, and reminisce about their top 3 fishing trips. Join Steve Rinella and the rest of the crew as they go LIVE from MeatEater HQ every Thursday at 11am MT! They’ll have segments, call-in guests, and real-time interaction with the audience. Watch the live stream on the MeatEater Podcast Network YouTube channel. https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork Connect with The MeatEater Podcast Network https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork MeatEater on Instagram https://www.instagram.com/meateater, Facebook https://www.facebook.com/StevenRinellaMeatEater/, Twitter https://twitter.com/MeatEaterTV?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor, and YouTube https://www.youtube.com/@MeatEaterPodcastNetwork See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:30Steven Rinella?

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• 2:09Speaker 02

  Smell us now, lady. Welcome to Meat Eater Trivia.

• 2:14Speaker 03

  Meat Eater Podcast.

• 2:31Steven Rinella?

  Good Lord. It's Media to Radio Live. Well, welcome here to the show 11 a.m. Mountain Time. Do I need to say all this, Phil? Do people tell people what time it is? Like, they don't know?

• 2:40Speaker 02

  I mean, that's in the script every week. I mean, they could look at the clock, but it's just kind of a way to mark place and time here.

• 2:45Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Uh, here's where it gets tricky, Phil, is that they're looking at a clock because they're watching on a computer or the phone.

• 2:55Speaker 02

  Okay. So you just think it's redundant?

• 2:59Steven Rinella?

  It's 11 a.m.

• 3:00Speaker 02

  This is a discussion we can have later. Thank you.

• 3:02Steven Rinella?

  January 30th, Media to Headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. I'm your host today, Stephen Rinella. Today I'm joined by Brody Henderson and Maggie Hudlow. And are you, how are you not here?

• 3:13Steven Rinella?

  Exactly, I'm not here. Corey is not. If someone thinks Corey Calkins is here, he's not.

• 3:19Speaker 04

  He's kind of not here like Corinne is often not.

• 3:22Steven Rinella?

  He's not here. He's not here. Uh, he's not in the room. On today's show, we got a couple of things coming up. So on today's show, we're going to chat with Rick and Marty Lagina from History Channel's The Curse of Oak Island for a couple of reasons. One, they're fellow Michiganders. That's my home state. Two, they're from the cool part of Michigan, which is the Upper Peninsula. And three, I'm riding on their shirt tails. You know, you hear coat tails and shirt tails?

• 3:50Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:50Steven Rinella?

  I wonder which is the better supposed to do?

• 3:53Speaker 02

  Do shirts have tails?

• 3:54Speaker 04

  Coat tail. Well, sure they do.

• 3:55Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, the kind. Yeah, they used to, man.

• 3:57Speaker 04

  Dress shirts, hang down over your butt.

• 3:59Speaker 02

  I guess so.

• 4:00Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. I always try to find those shirts that don't have that exaggerated.

• 4:03Speaker 04

  I like the straight ones. Then when you're wearing them.

• 4:05Steven Rinella?

  If it's too straight, it looks goofy, though. You gotta be careful. Uh, we're gonna talk to those fellers because I'm riding on their shirt tails on the History Channel. And so, um, you know, they get the, you know what it is? It's like the opposite. Like, you think, like, the other night I was at, I went to a stand-up show, right? So, and uh, I went to see, me and my boy went to see Kevin Hart. Kevin Hart, like, Kevin Hart don't come out first. Do you follow me?

• 4:31Speaker 04

  The opening act.

• 4:32Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Other dudes come out and they get everybody kind of fluffed up and then Kevin Hart comes out. So this is the opposite where like, these guys get the audience. They're like the Kevin Hart. And then I'm like the follow-up dude.

• 4:47Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:49Steven Rinella?

  I'm like the dude, the support. It's terrible. So we're gonna talk to them about that. Uh, we're also getting into this. Most Januaries, I missed out one time because of COVID. Every January, we go down to hunt Coues deer in old Mexico. Uh, this year at the last second, I had, I had to bail because my little boy had to get a knee surgery and he was going to be laid up and is laid up. So I couldn't go. So we're going to check in with the fellows that did make it down to Mexico chasing Coues deer. So I could find out what all happened. Uh, they were not feeding me any information. I think out of respect because I couldn't be there. So they wanted, they didn't want to make me jealous. So I'm kind of in the dark about how that all went. And we're going to talk to Parker Bradley from Alaska Fish and Game about some interesting pike behavior.

• 5:33Steven Rinella?

  We've touched on this a couple of times in the past, but like northern pike being in, I mean, all over the damn country, northern pike live in lakes and rivers that they're not native to.

• 5:44Speaker 04

  And they're, they're circumpolar, aren't they?

• 5:46Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Scoffier. In a Scoffier's cookbook, they have pike recipes.

• 5:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 5:52Steven Rinella?

  For the European pike, for the pike they catch over in France. Anyhow, uh, they've always been a little bit magical and like, well, how in the hell did they get here? And we're going to talk about a freakish behavioral attribute. That these northern pike are exhibiting in Alaska that helps explain some of the mystery about how those sons of bitches are jumping from one drainage to the next. So we're going to do that. Then we're going to talk about three most memorable fishing trips with photo backup.

• 6:25Steven Rinella?

  Then I'm supposed to say, but before we get to all that, what have you guys been up to lately? But not you, Corey.

• 6:33Steven Rinella?

  You ain't here.

• 6:35Speaker 04

  Maggie, you go first.

• 6:36Speaker 00

  Well, first off, I didn't know it was your birthday, Steve.

• 6:39Steven Rinella?

  It's not.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  It's not. Here's the thing. So our, our mutual friend Spencer Newhart told everyone who's watching the show to say happy birthday to you, but I'm pretty sure your birthday is two, is in two weeks, two weeks away.

• 6:51Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I'll be halfway to 102 in two weeks.

• 6:53Speaker 02

  So, but you, you've got, you've got dozens of people wishing you happy birthday in the chat right now.

• 6:57Steven Rinella?

  Nice dude. Yeah.

• 6:59Speaker 00

  Well, happy early birthday.

• 7:01Steven Rinella?

  Oh, thank you.

• 7:03Speaker 04

  They stop matter.

• 7:04Steven Rinella?

  I don't know how old you are, but dude, at this point, birthdays.

• 7:08Speaker 04

  They just don't mean anything.

• 7:09Steven Rinella?

  No. My favorite restaurant in Bozeman is Wasabi. You know, the dudes that come in and they juggle their spatulas and stuff.

• 7:15Speaker 02

  Oh, my kids love it there.

• 7:16Steven Rinella?

  Well, I was there the other night for my little boy's birthday and I was like, man, I'm gonna come here on my birthday. I'm gonna call all my friends and invite 20 minutes later, I'm like, no, I'm not.

• 7:27Speaker 00

  That's my birthday. I'm like, ooh, I'm gonna get some oysters. I'm gonna get some crabs. I'm gonna have a party and then I'm like, then I have to share all this delicious food. Like, I think it's gonna be a feast for about four.

• 7:39Steven Rinella?

  There you go. So anyways, what's everybody up to?

• 7:42Speaker 00

  Uh, I just moved into a new house that my boyfriend and I have been building over the last nine months. It's awesome.

• 7:49Steven Rinella?

  This is your shattered kneecap hockey playing, sheet guiding boyfriend? How long you guys been together?

• 7:54Speaker 00

  Uh, about three years, but we've known each other pretty much our whole lives. We grew up in the same.

• 8:00Steven Rinella?

  Get married? Are you like against marriage?

• 8:02Speaker 00

  I'm not against it. People just keep asking me about it. I'm like, hey, we, we just built a house. Like, we don't got money for a big party right now.

• 8:11Steven Rinella?

  You got your cart head of your horse, though, too.

• 8:12Speaker 04

  That's a big move to like buy and build a house together when you're not hitched.

• 8:17Steven Rinella?

  What's his last name?

• 8:17Speaker 00

  Olsen.

• 8:18Steven Rinella?

  You gonna switch out?

• 8:19Speaker 00

  Hell no. I already told him that.

• 8:21Steven Rinella?

  Switch out, man. My wife never switched out. It kills me. Do you really wanna not switch out?

• 8:25Speaker 00

  No, there's.

• 8:26Steven Rinella?

  I told my daughter, never switch out.

• 8:28Speaker 00

  Look on the internet and see how many other Maggie Hudlow there are.

• 8:32Steven Rinella?

  Well, they can, people can track you down.

• 8:34Speaker 00

  There's not other Maggie Hudlow.

• 8:36Steven Rinella?

  And if you become a Maggie, what?

• 8:37Speaker 00

  Maggie Hudlow. There's a pile of Maggie Olsons out there. I'm, no, I'll never switch.

• 8:43Steven Rinella?

  I sit, I sit both sides. Like I said, I wish my wife would, but I told my daughter, never do that.

• 8:47Speaker 00

  See?

• 8:48Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, you gotta hang on to your name. So it's like, I just, it's very, you know, depends.

• 8:52Speaker 00

  Mm-hmm. Yeah, so, you know, one day we'll probably have a big, awesome party and get hitched, but no, I'll never change my name. It's something I gotta, I gotta hang on to.

• 9:02Steven Rinella?

  Let's transition to Brody. Brody, you're married.

• 9:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, long time.

• 9:08Speaker 04

  Yeah, actually that plays into what I've been up to lately. This is like, like this time of year is kind of hard for me. I get mild seasonal affective disorder, whatever it says.

• 9:19Steven Rinella?

  My dog has that.

• 9:20Speaker 04

  And my wife says I get real cranky.

• 9:23Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, there's no dragons to slay right now.

• 9:25Speaker 04

  No, but we're like emerging from that. It's starting to, days are getting a little longer. You know, so there'll be cool stuff to do soon. So I haven't been up to too much other than like, uh, like planning. I don't know if you do this, but I feel like it's important when you got kids. Like you really got to kind of plan your year out, like hunt and fishing wise.

• 9:45Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:46Speaker 04

  Cause, uh, you know, with those kids, there's always like conflicting things going on.

• 9:51Steven Rinella?

  Sure.

• 9:52Speaker 04

  So I've been mapping stuff out on the calendar, which is always fun.

• 9:55Steven Rinella?

  That's good.

• 9:55Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:56Speaker 00

  So I don't have kids to worry about planning about, but.

• 9:59Steven Rinella?

  You don't have a husband either.

• 10:00Speaker 04

  No.

• 10:01Speaker 00

  My, uh, my sister explained it as happily financially entangled with three dogs.

• 10:07Steven Rinella?

  Oh, that's good.

• 10:08Speaker 00

  That's my situation.

• 10:10Steven Rinella?

  The, the house you guys fixed up, was it a mess or was it?

• 10:12Speaker 00

  No, we built it.

• 10:13Steven Rinella?

  Oh, I thought you meant you redid one.

• 10:15Speaker 00

  No.

• 10:15Steven Rinella?

  You guys built one from scratch.

• 10:16Speaker 00

  It's a.

• 10:17Steven Rinella?

  That's cool.

• 10:18Speaker 00

  It's basically a big, a big ass shop with the living quarters attached to it. So.

• 10:23Steven Rinella?

  Show Brody your palm. Is it a calloused?

• 10:27Speaker 04

  Oh, no.

• 10:28Speaker 00

  Uh, a little bit. I, uh, I've spent a lot of time. We did concrete floors and some concrete countertops and, uh, you know, it's like a cheaper option. And man, I spent a lot of time sanding concrete and staining it and.

• 10:43Steven Rinella?

  That's good.

• 10:43Speaker 00

  Lot of, lot of time on the concrete, but it looks really nice. We got a nice big walnut butcher block in the center of the kitchen and the, uh, their garage has five huge doors, two pull-throughs.

• 10:55Steven Rinella?

  Oh, really?

• 10:55Speaker 00

  Yeah. It's a, it's a giant garage.

• 10:59Steven Rinella?

  Oh, that's great.

• 10:59Speaker 00

  We gotta have places to put the boats and, and all the fun stuff. And now we're just trying to organize our piles of garbage that we got.

• 11:07Steven Rinella?

  Well, congratulations.

• 11:08Speaker 00

  Thanks.

• 11:09Steven Rinella?

  You know, the James gang, when they used to rob, this is legend. I don't know if it's true. When they used to rob trains, they'd check your hands. If you had calluses, they'd let you slide.

• 11:18Speaker 04

  Cause they were dandies?

• 11:19Steven Rinella?

  If you didn't have calluses, you were getting robbed.

• 11:22Speaker 00

  I get the most calluses in the summer from rowing the drift boat.

• 11:26Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. If I saw those boys coming, I'd be scratching.

• 11:30Steven Rinella?

  Uh, how's that Phil?

• 11:32Speaker 02

  That was some lovely banter. You guys, you knocked it out of the park.

• 11:37Steven Rinella?

  Okay, um, are we ready to switch over?

• 11:40Speaker 02

  Let's do it.

• 11:41Steven Rinella?

  Okay. Do we got Rick and Marty or Rick and Marty here?

• 11:46Speaker 03

  We're here, Steve.

• 11:48Steven Rinella?

  Uh, first off, man, tell, tell me a little bit. Give me a quick snapshot of growing up in the UP. Did you guys, uh, had you guys family been up there a long time? Were they newcomers or how'd that come about?

• 12:00Speaker 03

  Well, first, wait, wait, I gotta wish you happy birthday.

• 12:03Steven Rinella?

  Oh, thank you.

• 12:05Speaker 03

  Me and everybody else who's confused.

• 12:07Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 12:09Speaker 03

  Go ahead, Rick.

• 12:12Speaker 05

  Well, it was, uh, you know, kind of like, you know, what you do in your life. You're outside a lot, you know, you've got your friends, you, you engage in whatever activity you want to do. It was sports and in the woods and fishing and, and a little bit of hunting and, going out with our uncles and, uh, yeah, it was just a magical time, much simpler than today. And, uh, like I said, you spent most of your time outside playing ball and just having a good old time. It was the UP.

• 12:47Steven Rinella?

  What's the, what's the first example you guys can think of when you go back to when you were little boys? What's the first example of you guys setting out to go try to find a lost something or another? Or like to like make a discovery?

• 13:05Speaker 03

  That, that's an easy one. We were looking for a treasure under what we called the, maybe not, uh, politically acceptable anymore, but under the Indian rock, which was this rock out in the woods that had a band around it and, and all the young boys in the neighborhood spent, uh, Rick, I don't know, two or three summers trying to move this rock because we were sure there was treasure underneath. We still want to go back and move that thing.

• 13:31Steven Rinella?

  Do you guys have a, do you have a checklist of, um, like when your work, if your work at Oak Island concludes, do you have a, do you have a what's next?

• 13:44Speaker 05

  We always have a plan moving forward, but you know, it's pretty fluid up there. You know, you find something, you move off. There's it's multifaceted search. So you have the money pit work, the excavations with Billy. You've got archaeological work going on. You've got Gary Drayton metal detecting. So, you know, when when something is found, you kind of skew that direction and follow that lead. And then of course, you've got the lab and the application of science. So it's it's you're never it's not a it's a pretty active work site.

• 14:18Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, that's great. And I appreciate but what I what I meant was if you picture yourself, if you imagine 10 years down the road, 20 years down the road, whatever, do you have like the next place or the next quest that you guys get involved in? You know, I mean, do you have a list of like, okay, when when we're done, when our work here is done, we need to move on to whatever?

• 14:41Speaker 03

  Well, first of all, in 20 years, I'd like to make sure I'm still alive. That would be number one, as far as the goals go. But we I don't think we've really addressed that very well, have we, Rick? The Oak Island has been all consuming. And it keeps throwing stuff at us right about the time we're, you know, ready to maybe say, boy, this is this is it. It'll throw something a curve ball in terms of an artifact or something. So I don't think we've planned very well past that. We're interested in other things. And we've got involved in other quests that other people are taking the lead on. But beyond that, Oak Island is pretty all all consuming.

• 15:18Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 15:20Steven Rinella?

  Have what are some of the latest? Tell people about some of the latest things you guys have found out there that keeps you that keeps you wanting to keep going?

• 15:29Speaker 03

  Big Brother?

• 15:31Speaker 05

  Well, for me, it's, you know, it's kind of a close association, Steve, to what what you're doing with your new show, you know, following history. I think the research component and the historical associations we have made to date through the finds of the artifacts and the digging and the money pit and the application of science. But it's really the research that is coming to fore. There's a treasure hunting component, and there's a the historical research component, which you're all about. And like, just the other day, I got coming to believe that there's we're on a real national treasure, you know, the National Treasure movie. We're on a real national treasure hunt. There, there are significant historical figures that we believe have played some sort

• 16:16Speaker 05

  of role in association with the Oak Island mystery. So, so to me, it's big component is the history, but certainly there's a fascinating treasure hunt, too.

• 16:26Steven Rinella?

  Now, I gotta ask as well, what, uh, I know you guys, so you guys got some land there. What, what's the, what's the, what's your vibe on the hunting and fishing potential out there on Oak Island? Should, should I be out there hitting it or what?

• 16:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, offshore, I think you could be hitting it. Yeah, there's all kinds of fishing offshore. On the island, not so much.

• 16:45Steven Rinella?

  Not so, so you know, there's not like a resident, uh, whatever, just not like a resident deer population or a lot of-

• 16:51Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah. No, no, no, there's a resident deer population. Yeah, I, I was thinking fishing. There aren't any streams or anything. Unless you're a big eel fisherman, because there's lots of those in the swamp.

• 17:01Steven Rinella?

  No, I like the eels for sure. So you guys see some game when you're out there. When you're all done, like you're saying that I should be out there, I can go out there and hunt?

• 17:09Speaker 05

  I think so, Rick. Probably. I, I, I can tell you what you can do is, you know, come, come on up, you know, be a part of the treasure hunt, do a podcast from up there. But I can, I can easily affirm to you that, and you've probably been there in New Brunswick and in Newfoundland.

• 17:23Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 17:24Speaker 05

  You'd have a fantastic time.

• 17:26Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, no, I've hunted up, I've hunted up there before. And one time, the last time I hunted up in New Brunswick, I left, I kind of did a questionable move where my wife was like pretty pregnant. And I drove up there and we were hunting and I got a call basically saying, turn around and come back or, or don't come back. And so I had to cut my, I had to cut my trip short. But now that all that's behind me, I'd like to come out there and check it out. And I would definitely like to come up and see the island and meet you guys for real and, uh, and talk about the home state. So I appreciate you guys coming on, man. Um, everybody is checking out, watch new episodes of The Curse of Oak Island on History Channel, Tuesday nights at, uh, nine Eastern, eight Central. And then,

• 18:10Steven Rinella?

  and then, uh, if you, if you got it in you, stay on because we're premiering a new show there as well that follows The Curse of Oak Island, um, called Hunting History. So, uh, come for The Curse of Oak Island and stay for Hunting History on History Channel. Uh, boys, thanks for taking the time to come on the show, man. I appreciate it.

• 18:29Speaker 06

  Thank you. That's great.

• 18:31Steven Rinella?

  All right, guys.

• 18:31Speaker 05

  Just want to tell you that our nephews, Peter, David, and Daniel Fornetti are big fans.

• 18:36Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 18:38Speaker 05

  And your show.

• 18:39Steven Rinella?

  Tell them I said thanks and um shoot over an address and we'll send them up some books and stuff if you if you got if you.

• 18:44Speaker 05

  Okie dokie.

• 18:44Steven Rinella?

  Pass along to somebody. I'd love to. All right, guys. Thanks so much, man. Good luck with your good luck with your hunt. Good luck with your show.

• 18:51Speaker 05

  Good luck with yours.

• 18:52Steven Rinella?

  All right, take it easy.

• 18:54Speaker 06

  See ya.

• 18:54Speaker 05

  Take care. Bye bye.

• 18:58Steven Rinella?

  All right, Mexico Kuz Hunt check in with Randall and Seth. That's what we got Randall and Seth. Where the hell they coming from? Why don't we ask them? Are you guys live or just like a trick thing?

• 19:08Speaker 07

  Old Mexico.

• 19:08Steven Rinella?

  Oh, oh, so you are there?

• 19:11Speaker 07

  Aloha, mi amigos.

• 19:14Speaker 07

  Me llamo Rojo Grande.

• 19:19Steven Rinella?

  All right, was the, okay, was, were they rutting hard? I don't even know where to begin. Were you seeing like hard rutting grab ass action?

• 19:30Speaker 07

  Uh, yes and no.

• 19:31Steven Rinella?

  I recognize that fireplace. How do you guys got such a good connection by that fireplace?

• 19:36Speaker 06

  Oh, there's a starlight.

• 19:38Speaker 07

  There's a starlight now.

• 19:39Steven Rinella?

  Oh, I see it's just as warm in there as normal.

• 19:44Speaker 07

  We had snow on the ground this morning, so.

• 19:46Speaker 06

  It snowed last night and was like twenty two degrees or something.

• 19:49Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 19:50Speaker 07

  Yeah, Seth and I were on a pretty, uh, pretty frigid ridge all morning and, uh, stopped down to the house to hop on. So we're, uh, enjoying this fire and some fresh cafe.

• 20:01Steven Rinella?

  Got it. Uh, so, so hard ass, grab ass rut action or no?

• 20:06Speaker 07

  There's a lot of chasing. Uh, Yanis saw a buck. Uh, he thinks unsuccessfully, uh, bred a doe. Um, but yeah, the bucks that we've seen have all been pretty active. Uh, it's been sporadic, though. We're seeing like a ton of action on one hillside and then we go back the next day and zero deer. So, uh, it's kind of been hide and seek a little bit.

• 20:31Speaker 06

  Yeah, and we've been seeing does pretty frequently that don't have any bucks with them.

• 20:36Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Got it, got it. And how many bucks you guys gotten down there?

• 20:41Speaker 06

  Uh, we got four so far. Yanni's, today's our last day and Yanni is um, the only one that still needs to get one. So he's out there right now. He's looking for uh, Mucho Grande though.

• 20:51Speaker 07

  Yeah, Yanni's, Yanni's prepared to eat the tag if he doesn't see the right deer. So uh, he and the rest of the crew are all hunting hard right now. We sit by the fire.

• 21:02Steven Rinella?

  Well, it's good to see you guys. I miss you guys. Um, I've been dominating the question here. So I'm I'm gonna let Brody and Maggie ask you a bunch of questions. Did you get some good ones?

• 21:13Speaker 06

  Um, yeah, so uh, Peter Howe from Sig is down here, which is cool because we're getting to play with a bunch of new Sig products. Um, and test that out. But he, he uh, shot a giant.

• 21:26Steven Rinella?

  Oh, nice. Nice.

• 21:28Speaker 06

  It's definitely the biggest one I've seen come off of this ranch. Randall, Randall's about to show you right here.

• 21:36Steven Rinella?

  Oh, now Steve's real jealous. I know. You folks watching from home, you need to understand that you're looking at like what's, it's like a desert whitetail, like a mini whitetail. 90 pound deer.

• 21:45Speaker 07

  And he's got a, he's got a split G2 on the one side. So he looks like a muley on that side.

• 21:50Steven Rinella?

  Yep. But that, that runs that way. Cause we've gotten a couple of them there like that with that same split.

• 21:57Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 21:57Steven Rinella?

  Jim had the finger probably roll over dead if I just said that that runs that way down there.

• 22:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, he's a pretty impressive buck and he's, he's uh, got a little bit of palmation and he's got some of the tines are bladed. And so that was, Cal shot a real nice one. Uh, he saw it the first night and killed it two days later. Um,

• 22:18Steven Rinella?

  There you go.

• 22:19Speaker 07

  That's Cal's buck.

• 22:20Speaker 06

  See how bladed out that is?

• 22:21Steven Rinella?

  Yep. Go back to that big one. I'm gonna come back to Cal's, but go back to that big one for a minute. Was that like, uh, did you guys find him and then re-find him and then re-find him? Or was it like a holy shit, there he is kind of moment?

• 22:32Speaker 07

  Well, we, Seth and Yannis and I were on the same ridge, but maybe a mile down. And uh, we would just listen to the whole thing on the radio. But I think they glassed him up. He had a doe that he was trying to lock down and uh, seemed to be right out in the open. So they uh, Pete and Cal made a big stalk on him and wrapped around the face and ended up getting a shot. Um, But that that's kind of the only big buck that's really made himself visible for a significant period of time. I think Cal's buck is just sort of like, you know, appeared. Um, he was

• 23:16Speaker 07

  bedded the first night when you guys saw him?

• 23:18Speaker 06

  Yeah, we saw, uh, we spotted Cal's buck on the first evening. Um, it wasn't even like our first hunt day. We just happened to get down here and have enough time to run up on the hill and do some glass and we and Cal almost killed him on the first evening. Um, but he caught up with him, what, two days later and?

• 23:37Speaker 07

  Yeah, a lot of the bucks, most of the bucks that we're seeing, like I saw ten or twelve bucks yesterday. Um, all of them, all of them were chasing, but just no big bucks. And the big bucks that we've seen, a lot of them are really broken. Um, and that seems to be, we've heard, like, this year, for whatever reason, a lot of the big bucks are broken.

• 23:59Speaker 06

  Hmm.

• 24:00Speaker 07

  It doesn't bother me, but some people.

• 24:02Speaker 06

  Me neither.

• 24:02Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 24:05Speaker 07

  Uh, so then Seth and I both got deer on back-to-back days, I think Tuesday and Wednesday, maybe?

• 24:12Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 24:12Speaker 07

  Or something like that. And, uh, that was fantastic.

• 24:18Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 24:18Speaker 07

  Ours are not nearly as impressive, but we're both very happy. They're like, you know, mid eighties, low nineties deer. Um, and, uh, yeah, I, my shot at like two, two hundred fifty yards, he was chasing a doe with another smaller buck and they were just kind of pinballing around and he popped up and, uh, got a shot at him and then Seth had a real, uh, search for his buck.

• 24:45Speaker 06

  Yeah, I, uh, spotted my buck and made a move on him, lost him, like you typically do down here, and, uh, popped up on this little bump to try to get a good vantage of this hillside where he was. And, uh, he ended up bedding with a doe about a hundred and twenty yards from where I was. And I actually had to, in order to shoot him, I had to leave my bump that I was on and make a big loop around and shoot him at like three hundred yards where I could actually see him.

• 25:17Steven Rinella?

  Oh, got it. God, I'm so jealous right now. Can you tell how jealous I am?

• 25:23Speaker 07

  The uh, I mean, the, the, the big story this week, I think, has been the wind. Everybody's been telling me that it's usually rather calm here, but we've been getting gusts up to like thirty and pretty steady fifteen, ten to fifteen mile an hour winds all week. So, uh, there have been some long cold days. And the, the SIG stabilized binoculars have really, uh,

• 25:49Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:49Speaker 07

  been a lifesaver. Cause, and I hadn't, I'd messed around with them like out of the truck or out of the house. Um, but I really hadn't had them out in these kind of conditions. And you throw those things on the tripod and even if it's blowing your tripod around, your image is like crystal clear. So I've, I've oftentimes like just had to take my regular binos down and throw up the stabilized ones just for the wind factor.

• 26:13Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, when it's blowing. And you, yeah, then the next thing you gotta figure out is how to make your eyeballs not water.

• 26:19Speaker 07

  Oh.

• 26:19Steven Rinella?

  When it's blowing.

• 26:21Speaker 07

  The corners of my eyes are chafed badly. A lot of tears, a lot of sunscreen, a lot of wind. It's not a good recipe for my optical health.

• 26:32Speaker 00

  Well, the stabilized binos are cool. What other fun SIG stuff have you guys been messing around with down there?

• 26:39Speaker 07

  Well, there's one, there's one item that we're told not to speak of.

• 26:44Speaker 00

  What?

• 26:45Speaker 07

  What happens down in Mexico stays in Mexico.

• 26:49Speaker 00

  Wap, wap.

• 26:50Speaker 07

  Great Toby Keith, but pretty neat stuff. We, we also have used the, uh, the range finding binos.

• 26:58Steven Rinella?

  Yep.

• 26:58Speaker 07

  Are those the, the Kilo tens? Maybe something?

• 27:02Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I forget all the names.

• 27:03Speaker 07

  And, uh, but yeah, those, those are pretty amazing for this. Cause they have the, uh, they have the wind calculation dialed in. So.

• 27:12Steven Rinella?

  Oh, really? Huh?

• 27:12Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 27:13Speaker 07

  Yeah. When we're sitting out there, glass and stuff and range and stuff, you can plug in like a ten mile an hour value and it'll give you your correction in, in minutes of angle. So, or mils, but we're shooting, both the guns we have are, are shooting in minutes of angle. So, that's been pretty fun to see and, and like check that against the dope on your phone and, um.

• 27:32Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, there's, there's been a lot of chatter about wind calls.

• 27:35Speaker 07

  Yeah, a lot of chatter about wind calls. I was very grateful to shoot my deer at two hundred and twenty-five yards or whatever it was. Cause, uh, I don't think I would have really wanted to stretch it out very far in those conditions.

• 27:47Steven Rinella?

  I got, I, I got two more questions. Um. When I go down there, you always find that the vicaros, vicaros, vicaros, vicaros. No matter what deer you bring back, they tell you that, no, no, no, no, no. That's not him.

• 28:05Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 28:05Steven Rinella?

  Has that been happening?

• 28:07Speaker 07

  Well, I haven't talked with them much. Cal has been our primary liaison to the vicaros. His Spanish is actually remarkable.

• 28:17Steven Rinella?

  No, he does good.

• 28:18Speaker 07

  Although he's, he, he doesn't do like the, uh, performative accent that a lot of people do when they speak a foreign language. It just sounds like Cal. He speaks in the same cadence, uh, with just different words. But, um, we did have a couple of reports of bucks that the Cowboys had seen and, uh, you know, had the hills that they'd seen them on. And there's even a, a set of sheds from this year, uh, near the house that we're looking for that buck. But we have not been able to turn up any of the, uh, the famous cowboy bucks.

• 28:52Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, got it. Here's my other question. But, oh, go ahead.

• 28:55Speaker 07

  No, no, I was gonna say the cat, uh, I think the, the vicaro's cat is having a real field day whenever we bring back a deer. It's like fighting us for little strips of hide and meat. And, uh, that's kind of also been our primary, uh, mode of entertainment is the cats increasingly aggressive behavior around any sort of meat.

• 29:17Steven Rinella?

  Uh, Randall, I need to share with you two comments that have come in. I'm gonna build you up and I'm gonna bring you down.

• 29:23Speaker 07

  Sure.

• 29:24Steven Rinella?

  There's a guy that says you look like Jim Harrison.

• 29:28Steven Rinella?

  Followed up by a guy that says you look homeless. So, I don't know.

• 29:33Speaker 07

  I sent, I sent.

• 29:35Speaker 04

  Did Jim Harrison ever spend time as a homeless person?

• 29:39Steven Rinella?

  If you're gonna look like Harrison, you need to take a beer bottle and gouge one of your eyes so it doesn't work right. Which is what happened to him.

• 29:46Speaker 07

  Yeah, she, she said I looked like a civil war reenactor in the photo and so it, that I took that to mean I need to cut my hair.

• 29:54Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I got another question for you. You know how I couldn't go because my boy had to have knee surgery? Well, thanks for asking how he's doing.

• 30:03Speaker 07

  Oh, I, I was communicating, uh, with Yanis and we were getting updates.

• 30:08Speaker 06

  We were, we were all sitting around the table the other night and we, Yanni, you were texting me, Steve, and then Yanni was like.

• 30:15Speaker 07

  We were asking for updates through our, uh.

• 30:17Speaker 06

  Yeah, we're, we're all asking how, uh, how Matty was doing.

• 30:22Steven Rinella?

  Funny, cause none of those, uh, they, they were all unfulfilled.

• 30:26Speaker 07

  I did, I did text Katie. I did text Katie to see how the surgery went.

• 30:31Steven Rinella?

  Well, you went straight to my, you went straight to my, you went straight to my woman.

• 30:36Speaker 07

  You're a busy man.

• 30:37Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. All right. That's cool. That's cool. Anybody else?

• 30:41Speaker 04

  Nah, I've heard enough.

• 30:42Steven Rinella?

  How long do you guys want to talk for? I don't know. We're getting bored.

• 30:45Speaker 07

  Oh, we did, we did want to mention that yesterday Yanis ate 11 or 12 burritos.

• 30:52Speaker 04

  I was. That sounds about right.

• 30:55Speaker 06

  It's a record.

• 30:56Speaker 07

  He, so we got bologna sandwiches the day before and he ate his at 11 and then spent the rest of the day talking about how he could have had more than one bologna sandwich. So the next day he took six burritos for lunch. And he gave me one, but he had two at breakfast and I think three at dinner.

• 31:14Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 31:14Speaker 07

  So that would, yeah, that would probably make, maybe had, yeah, that's like 10 or 11. So anyway, the tortillas have been thin, so Yanis consumed 20 some tortillas yesterday because we're doubling the box.

• 31:26Steven Rinella?

  Randall, we got another guy saying you just look like you're from Ohio.

• 31:31Speaker 06

  No, that's true.

• 31:32Speaker 07

  That, I, I'll take that as a high compliment. Thank you, Chase. That's lovely.

• 31:37Steven Rinella?

  Hey, you know what about being from Ohio? I don't know if you ever read the right stuff, but, um, there's something steely about Ohio dudes.

• 31:45Speaker 07

  Uh huh.

• 31:46Steven Rinella?

  It's like what you want. When you're trying to man a spaceship.

• 31:50Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 31:50Steven Rinella?

  You, you, they, they wind up leaning, they wind up leaning into Ohio. Tell people that.

• 31:55Speaker 07

  There's something, there's, it's a rich soil.

• 32:00Steven Rinella?

  All right. Well, good luck. Tell Yanni I said good luck. Um, wish I could be there in all seriousness. Miss you guys terrible. Uh, yeah, you know, all that kind of stuff.

• 32:10Speaker 07

  We'll see you very soon.

• 32:11Steven Rinella?

  All right. Thanks, buddy.

• 32:13Speaker 06

  See you guys.

• 32:14Speaker 07

  Vaya con Dios.

• 32:18Steven Rinella?

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• 33:02Steven Rinella?

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• 33:46Steven Rinella?

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• 34:27Steven Rinella?

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• 35:11Steven Rinella?

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• 35:41Speaker 02

  Steve, you are, you're doing incredible.

• 35:43Steven Rinella?

  We're on schedule?

• 35:44Speaker 02

  Right on schedule. Yes.

• 35:46Steven Rinella?

  Oh, so now we take time for listener feedback?

• 35:49Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 35:49Steven Rinella?

  Dude, I'm mostly excited. No, not to hack on the boys there, but I'm mostly excited about the Northern Pike deal.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  Oh, he's coming up.

• 35:57Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, yeah. I don't want, I'm saying I want to jump to it. Let's do some, how you been handling this part? The listener feedback?

• 36:04Speaker 02

  Well, the idea is throughout the show, people can ask questions in the live chat. I bookmark the ones I think are are good or could open up some interesting conversations. So far, we haven't gotten a lot of questions. Guys, this might be Steve's last time here and who knows, like you should feel lucky. So if you have questions for Steve, get him in here right now. Cause I don't know when he's gonna do that.

• 36:24Steven Rinella?

  No, I'm gonna start coming down here all the time.

• 36:26Speaker 04

  Might be your last time. It's like you're dying or something.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  Well, you're just, you're a busy guy.

• 36:32Steven Rinella?

  I'm gonna start coming here all the time.

• 36:33Speaker 02

  We would love that. Yeah, people, people want to see it. Um, let's see. We got to start with a lighter one. Mo Gore is asking, question for Steve. Hi, when you're not participating in trivia or radio live, how closely do you follow the events during your travels? Do you keep up with the shows by watching or listening to them? I have a feeling I know the answer to this question, but I just thought, you know, people, the people would like to know.

• 36:54Steven Rinella?

  Uh, I listen to a lot of stuff. I watch bits of a lot of stuff, but I mostly talk to everybody. That's what I like to do is talk to everybody.

• 37:02Speaker 02

  Probably a better use of your time.

• 37:03Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 37:04Speaker 02

  Uh, question for Steve from John. Did the stolen cooler of frozen fish ever get resolved?

• 37:11Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 37:13Speaker 02

  Is it still?

• 37:13Steven Rinella?

  It's just gone, dude.

• 37:14Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 37:15Steven Rinella?

  Someone's licking their lips on that fish, or they were, but no, nothing, nothing's.

• 37:20Speaker 04

  Going on a couple of years now, isn't it?

• 37:22Steven Rinella?

  Do you know what's hilarious? Remember we were talking about, so I shouldn't, I shouldn't say this about my kid, but my older kid, my older boy. When we were talking about, remember we were talking about getting that lie detector?

• 37:32Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 37:33Steven Rinella?

  Test down here. So he kind of got in a bu-.

• 37:38Steven Rinella?

  He got in a bunch of trouble. Okay. He was telling, I shouldn't air in his laundry like this, but he was telling his mom and dad a fib.

• 37:45Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 37:46Steven Rinella?

  So his mom fibs to get the truth. She says, I'm taking you down to the office because your dad got that lie detector. So you tell me right now what happened. And he's just like, he just lets it all out. And just the other night, we like, finally it came out. We finally said, no, there is no lie detector. He's like, you sons of bitches.

• 38:09Speaker 04

  That's good parenting there. I like it.

• 38:11Steven Rinella?

  So my wife's like, lies to get him to tell the truth, which is smart, you know?

• 38:16Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 38:16Speaker 00

  Get on you, Katie.

• 38:21Speaker 02

  Uh, let's see here.

• 38:22Steven Rinella?

  You said you're giving softball. What's an example of a hardball?

• 38:25Speaker 02

  Well, this, this isn't a hardball, but this one actually could, could open up to some discussion from Kyle. What do y'all do about cleaning brain matter from a skull in the field to transport to or from CWD areas across, uh, I guess, the main county?

• 38:37Steven Rinella?

  Stir it up with a screwdriver, stir it up, super good with a screwdriver, then put a high pressure hose in there.

• 38:43Speaker 04

  Give it a few good shakes.

• 38:44Steven Rinella?

  Well, yeah, you give it a couple of shakes.

• 38:46Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 38:47Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 38:48Steven Rinella?

  It's, it's like, you know, if you stick with it, you can get that brain pan pretty clean.

• 38:52Speaker 02

  Right on. Uh, this could, um.

• 38:55Steven Rinella?

  What's a real hard question?

• 38:57Speaker 02

  Uh, we haven't gotten a really, a really hard one yet, but if you guys want to speak to this, because I don't think you ever really have, and, um, I think you guys could, could talk thoughtfully about it. Question for Stephen Brody. Y'all post a lot of pictures of hunting, fishing with your kids, which is great. Have you ever thought about, uh, making videos, uh, featuring your kids? My kids love watching other kids hunting videos.

• 39:15Steven Rinella?

  Man, I think about it all the time. I'd love to do it, but me and my wife made a decision. Like, if you notice, if you ever see pictures of my kids, we just had to find a. We had to find like, we had to make a rule for ourselves. So that it wasn't a question all the time about how much exposure to give to our kids. And we eventually made a rule. It seems arbitrary, but it works for us. Like, we don't show our kids faces on stuff. It seems goofy, but like wound up making it simple. Do you know what I mean? And the other day, I even asked my, I always had a picture of my kids when they were babies. And I said to my wife, like, hey, do you mind if I post this thing when the kids are babies? I mean, you know, they don't look like that anymore. And she said, well, no, because we have an agreement.

• 39:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, you've done a good job of sticking to it.

• 39:57Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I have, but it hurts because I'd love to be able to make videos with them. But I don't want to, like, I, I don't, I don't want to drag them into something, you know? Like, it's just hard for me. Like, I need them to get old enough to make the decision.

• 40:10Speaker 04

  There's also the, like, there's one thing, like, making a TV show or whatever is one thing. But then, like, just making, like, videos.

• 40:19Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 40:20Speaker 04

  For yourself, like, we do that all the time. But, um, like, making a show is hard and it gets in the way. Like, it would, not that you couldn't do it, but.

• 40:30Speaker 00

  There's a great episode of Tony hunting bear with his daughter, Austin, if you want to check that out.

• 40:36Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Hey, listen, I don't have any, like, I have, I'm all for it. And, and a big thing that informed us on it is years ago, we had to have, like, the FBI got involved. Like, years ago, we had something happen that alarmed us. And they had to go after a dude and, like, really went after a guy hard. Um, about saying a comment, you know, about our kids. And then, from then on, that changed our whole attitude, man. It was like someone, like, an animal rights dude. And so it just, it just spooked us, you know?

• 41:08Speaker 00

  I bet.

• 41:08Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 41:09Speaker 04

  Well, yeah, I mean, I'd love to see us make a show with some kids hunting in it. It'd be great if we could do that at some point.

• 41:15Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I just didn't, like, the thought of some, like, some animal rights freak or whoever, targeting my kids because of something that they know about me is just, like, upsetting. And I'm, and at times, I'm just like a little, I feel a little, like, maybe overexposed in that way, you know?

• 41:30Speaker 00

  No, that's totally reasonable.

• 41:31Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  Cool, we'll do one more here and save some more for the end of the show. Um, Sam's asking, is there any animal you were excited to hunt and eat but were let down when you finally tried it? Or any animal that you thought that wasn't really worth it after you tried it?

• 41:45Steven Rinella?

  To make a name.

• 41:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, you know?

• 41:51Speaker 04

  Remember you guys shot those, you guys shot a bunch of those big old caribou several years ago?

• 41:57Steven Rinella?

  Hmm.

• 41:57Speaker 04

  Kenyon and Durn were there.

• 41:59Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 42:00Speaker 04

  I was a little disappointed in the shanks with the, cause you think about how many miles are in those shanks? And holy shit, they take a long time to break down.

• 42:09Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 42:09Speaker 00

  Multi-day braids?

• 42:10Speaker 04

  And just the meat in general. It's not that it's bad, it's just, you stack it up against like elk or what, it's just not.

• 42:19Steven Rinella?

  No, I'd rather, I'd way rather eat mule deer than caribou.

• 42:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:22Steven Rinella?

  I'll tell you, one of the ones that was most disappointing to me is, um, a while back, we flayed, I really wish we had, we flayed a bunch of shovel-nosed sturgeon.

• 42:31Speaker 04

  I remember you talking about that.

• 42:32Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Cause one, the yield is so low. So you kind of get this cool looking fish, you clean them and you don't have shit. And then what you do have doesn't taste that good. I've never laid a finger on it. Now we're just popping off.

• 42:45Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:46Steven Rinella?

  You know, just a real disappointment because the, the, the, the low yield was already enough to turn me off, but then the taste was.

• 42:54Speaker 04

  Another one for me was, uh, jackrabbits. They're tough, they're.

• 42:58Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I don't agree.

• 42:59Speaker 04

  No?

• 43:00Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 43:00Speaker 04

  Yeah?

• 43:01Steven Rinella?

  But go ahead and each his own. You can have dumb opinions, free country.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  Cool. If you want to get to the, the pike, we've got Parker waiting in the, in the green room.

• 43:10Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah. Brody, you want to handle this interview?

• 43:13Speaker 04

  Sure. Yeah.

• 43:15Steven Rinella?

  Brody's an invasive pike expert.

• 43:18Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:18Steven Rinella?

  He used to live at an invasive pike pond.

• 43:20Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Love those things.

• 43:25Speaker 04

  Um, are we?

• 43:25Speaker 02

  There's Park, yeah, there's Parker.

• 43:27Speaker 04

  Hey Parker, how's it going?

• 43:30Speaker 08

  Hey, good. How are y'all doing?

• 43:31Speaker 04

  Great. Is it cold up there?

• 43:34Speaker 08

  You know, it's, uh, the coldest day we've had this winter so far, about minus 15.

• 43:38Speaker 04

  Where are you at right now?

• 43:40Speaker 08

  I'm in Palmer, so about an hour north of Anchorage.

• 43:43Speaker 04

  Yep, yep.

• 43:44Speaker 08

  Yep.

• 43:45Speaker 04

  Cool. Um, so we'll get to Pike in a second, but you want to give us a rundown of what you do for fish and game? Like what your job is?

• 43:54Speaker 08

  Sure. So I'm a fisheries biologist with the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, and my job is primarily focused on invasive species. In this region, that's primarily invasive northern pike, but that could be, you know, we've dealt with a host of other several species that have turned up here that shouldn't be here and we handle that.

• 44:15Speaker 04

  Cool. Um, so.

• 44:18Steven Rinella?

  Hey Brody, while you're interviewing him, can you ask if he knows my brother Danny?

• 44:22Speaker 04

  So there's this guy Danny Bolton in Anchorage.

• 44:24Steven Rinella?

  No.

• 44:25Speaker 04

  Or Danny Bolton. There's this guy Danny Rinella. You know him down in Anchorage?

• 44:32Speaker 08

  I do.

• 44:33Speaker 04

  Did you know these guys knew each other?

• 44:35Steven Rinella?

  Maybe I knew they knew each other, but I'm not positive they knew each other.

• 44:39Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:39Steven Rinella?

  He's, my brother's a fisheries biologist. I thought maybe you guys ran into each other. Continue your interview.

• 44:43Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:43Speaker 08

  Yeah, it's a small world in the fisheries biology realm up here.

• 44:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:47Speaker 08

  Yep.

• 44:48Speaker 04

  Um, so this study came out. Some people may have seen it in the news. That's where I found it. And we had talked about it like in the past recently here at Media. But can you kind of give like the basic rundown of what this study found and how they, they, they were able to come to the, the conclusion that they came to?

• 45:11Speaker 08

  Yeah, yeah, you bet. So quick background for your listeners. Pike are actually native to a majority of Alaska, more the northern and western regions. But they were introduced here to the south central region, waters that flow into Cook Inlet, Gulf of Alaska. They were introduced by a person in the 1950s and they've spread to, you know, over a hundred water bodies in this region since then. But, you know, so we're trying to keep tabs on where these pike are spreading in the region.

• 45:42Speaker 08

  And we've been doing eradication projects on the Kenau Peninsula.

• 45:47Speaker 04

  What does that entail? Like, how are you trying to get rid of them?

• 45:52Speaker 04

  Cause like, I used to live in an area in Colorado where they were doing that. They're trying to get rid of them on the Yampa River and they'd knock them back, then they'd come back. They'd knock them back, then they'd come back. It's like just an ongoing, they can never seem to like eradicate them.

• 46:09Speaker 08

  Right, so it's it's kind of tough to get over that hump, but a lot of what we do is aggressive netting, and that's called suppression projects where we just try to kill as many as we can. But if we actually want to eradicate them, then we often go and use a chemical called Rotenose. That's a fish management tool that, you know, is used across the US, and that's what we've done heavily on the Kena to eradicate them from there. But netting is often very common, and like you were saying, it's tough to get ahead of them.

• 46:39Speaker 04

  Yep. So, so back, back to the study.

• 46:43Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I saw a question just pop up. How are the pike spreading?

• 46:47Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 46:47Steven Rinella?

  Someone asked that. He's in luck.

• 46:49Speaker 04

  Yep. We're about to find out.

• 46:51Speaker 08

  So there's, they're spreading, well, really two mechanisms. Now that they're in this region, people still move them around. We have documentation of that. And then, you know, once they're in an open system, they're free to swim where they want, right? And so, one thing that we thought was some of these rivers flowing into Cook Inlet, which is brackish water, we thought that was most likely.

• 47:17Speaker 04

  That's a nice one.

• 47:19Speaker 08

  But we had some pike that showed up in a remote place on the Kena Peninsula, that it, we, we don't know how they got there. Didn't make sense for someone to go through an extensive effort to get them to this remote place, but it has a very short connection to Cook Inlet. And so, one thing that we did, we wanted to explore, if we're going to invest money into getting rid of these pike from this drainage, we want to know how they got there and prevent that from happening again. So, we did some sampling in this, this lake, Vogel Lake, and we caught one really large female, along with a handful of other smaller pike. And one thing that's a really neat technology in the world of fisheries is the odolith of the fish. So that's the inner ear bone, calcified structure. Biologists

• 48:04Speaker 08

  use that often for aging fish. There's a good picture of it there. But what it also can be used for, it's basically a chemical fingerprint of the water that that fish has lived in throughout its life. So you can cut that odolith in half, and it, and it grows, you know, on the outside, calcium, calcium building up on the outside as it grows. If you cut that in half, you expose the core when that fish was born. And then the edge represents when you killed that fish. So we can send this odolith to a lab. We have one in Fairbanks that does this. They look at the chemical composition of that odolith from birth to death. And what's interesting is water bodies often have unique chemical signatures, specifically with strontium isotopes.

• 48:49Speaker 08

  And that's what we're looking at. So the marine environment has a pretty particular strontium isotope signature. And so we took the odolith from that really large pike and measured the strontium from birth to death of that fish. And what we found is that the center of that odolith, where that fish was born, did not match the water that we caught it in. Then about two years of age, it had a signature consistent with being in a marine environment. And then the signature matched the water that we caught that fish in. So basically, what that told us is that fish came from somewhere else, swam through the brackish water, and then ended up in this Vogel Lake here where we caught it.

• 49:34Speaker 08

  And once we kind of had proof of that occurring, we got suspicious of this happening in other places. For example, in Anchorage, we have a couple of lakes where we thought this might have occurred. And indeed, we did catch a couple of pike that had these signatures as well. And so that's what this study was kind of based on, these three different populations that we think got established by pike swimming through the marine environment, mostly just brackish water, not full salt water.

• 50:03Steven Rinella?

  So they're able to make those trips? That's what you just kind of answered my question as you finished your last response. But they're able to make those trips just staying in brackish water? Like?

• 50:17Steven Rinella?

  How like, how long do you think one could last in open salt? Or do you think that would kill it?

• 50:22Speaker 08

  So I think that would kill it. We, a couple of years ago, we did a salinity trial where we actually put pike and known salinity totes and measured to see how long they would live. Um, and so we tested various gradients, um, and our highest concentration we tested was about 28 parts per thousand. Uh, for reference, about 35 is considered fully marine. And at, at 28, they lived maybe like seven or eight hours on the average. Uh, they, they can't tolerate fully marine waters, um, and for very long. Uh, but that lower brackish concentration around seven or 10, uh, there's actually a pike population in the Baltic Sea.

• 51:03Speaker 08

  Um, that they just live there and that's at about seven parts per thousand. So the fact that they can kind of traverse through some of this low brackish water is not that surprising, but you know, Cook Inlet, it's a pretty hostile environment. We have some of the largest tides in the world, like 30 foot tide swings. Um, very glacially turbid. We've got big glacial rivers that are pumping into it. So visibility is poor. Really strong current. So it's, you know, not what you would think of when you think of where a pike would typically live. So it's, you know, they can live just probably for a little bit in this environment.

• 51:39Speaker 04

  Are, are they traveling or are you able to determine like how far they're traveling? Like, does this only happen where like two river estuaries are pretty close together? Or are they covering some distance?

• 51:53Speaker 08

  We can't tell exactly where they came from. The most likely source is the Susitna River. And if that's the case, um, you know, Vogel Lake, where one of these studies was based on, that's about 18 miles. If the fish was to swim perfectly straight, you know, from Anchorage, if it made the trip from the Susitna, that's like 15 miles. So not really that far. And we think a lot of this movement's likely limited to the upper part of Cook Inlet. To where we have these, you know, brackish waters. As you move south, it gets pretty fully marine pretty quick. So I think this is just happening kind of in upper Cook Inlet region.

• 52:33Steven Rinella?

  Years ago, I was talking to a researcher who was looking at trying to explore the question of how bad could the Burmese python situation get? So they would take Burmese pythons and move north of the Florida Everglades and make these enclosures just to see like what the, at what point would they not be able to survive anymore? And they were kind of able to draw a sort of, a sort of line saying what they projected to be the extent of the spread for, for, for, for temp, average temperature purposes, right? What, when you guys look at this, now that you're understanding that these pike are moving, not just from people moving them in buckets, but they're moving on their own into unexpected

• 53:15Steven Rinella?

  areas, do, do you have a sense of like, of how bad it could get? Or do you think you already looking at the extent of what they could possibly do for, as they spread into these waters? And I think within that, I think we didn't cover on, just, I don't mean to lay too much on you at once, but, um, you should probably speak to what this could mean for salmon, right? Cause that's what we're really talking about here, right?

• 53:37Speaker 08

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. So we, we know how bad it can get, uh, but it all depends really on the specific habitat of a location. You know, if you're a pike angler, you know what pike habitat looks like, you know where you target them. Um, and in the Susitna Valley, we've, you know, almost complete expansion through all available habitat. But what's at risk here is the Kena Peninsula for sure, the northern portion at least. And there is some tremendously good, um, well, salmon habitat currently, but it would make for very good pike habitat. And that's what we're nervous about. There's some locations that if pike got into, it would be completely devastating.

• 54:19Speaker 08

  Um, you know, completely wipe out salmon because of the type of habitat in that system would, would favor pike in an apex predator like that.

• 54:29Steven Rinella?

  Does it seem like there's? Does it seem inevitable? Or does it seem like there's something that? There's a move you guys that will have at your disposal?

• 54:40Speaker 08

  You know, it's with enough time, it's likely inevitable. Now we're taking some preventative measures in that Vogel Lake that I mentioned, we eradicated Pike from there in 2021. And what we have now is a we're in place near the mouth of that drainage, preventing Pike from moving up through Cook Inlet through that pathway. So, you know, so we're taking prevention measures there, but some of these other locations, you know, we're kind of exploring options. We really want to dial in. How frequently is this occurring? We don't know. It seems to occur frequently enough that Pike can establish a population. So a male and a female

• 55:23Speaker 08

  get into a system and spawn and kind of game over. So, but we don't know exactly. We don't know really what the exact salinity concentrations or trends are in Cook Inlet. We need to figure that out to actually find what we think would be the boundary of how far south they can go. So, once we kind of do that, we can prioritize, you know, monitoring and prevention measures.

• 55:47Speaker 04

  Man. Um, just, just to play devil's advocate, there, I think there would be some people that might say, if these things are traveling on their own into these areas, they're not getting, no one's dumping a bucket of Pike into a lake, right? If they're doing it on their own, like, are they still considered an invasive species?

• 56:12Speaker 08

  Yeah. So that's a really good question. Um, short answer is yes, because they wouldn't be spreading if it wasn't for an initial human introduction. They're still not native to the area. So, to be invasive, they have to be non-native and, you know, causing harm. You know, a good example of that would be like the Asian carp throughout the Midwest. If they got established in the Great Lakes, you wouldn't consider them native because they swam their own, right? So.

• 56:39Speaker 04

  The other, kind of the other part of that. That question is, at least down here, you'll have these situations where like pike or small mouth bass or some other non-native game fish will get introduced into a system. And often there'll be like a contingent of anglers that are like, we don't want these things gone, they're great, right? Brown trout. Yeah, what, I mean, you know, there's, there's so many examples down here. I would imagine in Alaska, maybe because of, of how important salmon are, that there's not really that kind of pushback, like for, for recreational and subsistence anglers saying,

• 57:23Speaker 04

  oh, you know, they're not so bad.

• 57:27Speaker 08

  Well, we, we do get that. Um, there's definitely a following of, of pike anglers here that want the pike to be here, you know, move them around. Uh, that's, that's why they were introduced here in the first place, right? Somebody wanting to fish for pike. So we have that, but it is still, you know, your average, you know, Alaskan overwhelming majority understands what's going on and would much prefer the salmon, you know, over a pike fishery.

• 57:53Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 57:54Speaker 08

  Only takes a couple of bad apples to really, you know, create a situation like what we have.

• 58:00Speaker 04

  Is this like a super high priority problem now for, for Alaska fishing game?

• 58:06Speaker 08

  It is. This is, this is probably the most devastating aquatic invasive species we have in this region. Um, you know, there's several others that we're dealing with, but I mean, for the pike, we've documented about 25% of our Anadromus lakes, uh, on a surface area basis, completely destroyed from pike. 25%. And this is where salmon are rearing and growing before they outmate rate. And then another good 15% are in pretty dire straits. So significant a portion of habitat in this region is, is being impacted by pike. Um, but there's, there's other species on the horizon that we, we don't want here and we're working to prevent those as well.

• 58:48Speaker 04

  Have you guys implemented like mandatory catch and kill regulations in, in places?

• 58:55Speaker 08

  We have in this entire region. If you catch a pike, you're required to kill it. Uh, you can kill it and toss it back or uh, keep it if you want, but you can't release it alive legally.

• 59:06Steven Rinella?

  You can kill it and pickle it though.

• 59:07Speaker 04

  Yep, yep.

• 59:09Speaker 08

  You'll pickle it and I would recommend that they're pretty good pickled.

• 59:12Speaker 04

  Well, thanks for chatting with us today, Parker. That was, that was real informative.

• 59:16Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, thanks. Thanks for coming on, man. And uh, I hope you guys have some success with that because

• 59:23Steven Rinella?

  you know, the, the world's gonna start no matter where you go. The world's gonna become at risk of looking the same no matter where you go, you know? Crows and northern pike. Um, thanks, man. Appreciate it.

• 59:35Speaker 08

  All right. Thanks. Appreciate it. See y'all.

• 59:37Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 59:39Steven Rinella?

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• 1:03:02Speaker 02

  Uh, you know, there, there are no rules. It's just a suggestion.

• 1:03:06Steven Rinella?

  Can we do two questions, then do the photo thing and two? Cause I saw two pop up.

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  Find two questions? Yeah. Go for it.

• 1:03:11Steven Rinella?

  Someone asked about making venison demi gloss.

• 1:03:13Speaker 00

  Oh, I saw that one too.

• 1:03:14Steven Rinella?

  Absolutely.

• 1:03:15Speaker 00

  Just make sure you leave some meat on the bones.

• 1:03:17Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:18Speaker 00

  Because it's a little lean if you don't.

• 1:03:20Steven Rinella?

  And you gotta be.

• 1:03:20Steven Rinella?

  It's a real blonde if you, you know.

• 1:03:22Speaker 04

  You gotta commit to the time involved, man.

• 1:03:25Speaker 00

  Oh, but it's so worth it.

• 1:03:26Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. You gotta commit to the time being involved. Then you gotta commit to later trying to get that ring off your pot. Cause you're gonna have a ring of like something that looks like it would have an industrial application.

• 1:03:37Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:03:37Steven Rinella?

  Like a ring of sort of like epoxy that forms.

• 1:03:41Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:03:41Steven Rinella?

  But you gotta cook it down to, I mean, picture that you're cooking it down and cooking it down to the point where it's like, it's the consistency of cold maple syrup.

• 1:03:51Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:03:51Steven Rinella?

  Like when you lay a back of a spoon in it and lift it up, it's, it's, uh, it'll stick to that spoon, you know?

• 1:03:59Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 1:04:00Steven Rinella?

  And then I'll put it into ice cube trays.

• 1:04:01Speaker 04

  That's what I do. Cause it's powerful. Like you can throw one ice cube worth and it's like a pint of stock.

• 1:04:07Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. But then later, when you're having your supper, I'll take maybe like two parts butter, one part demi gloss.

• 1:04:14Speaker 00

  A little pan gravy.

• 1:04:15Steven Rinella?

  A little booze or a little wine or something.

• 1:04:17Speaker 00

  Sherry?

• 1:04:17Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. Yeah. No, it works. It works good, man. It works good.

• 1:04:21Speaker 04

  I like that you said supper. Not enough people still call it supper anymore.

• 1:04:24Steven Rinella?

  Dude, I remember what's so funny is I remember when I went to graduate school. Okay. Graduate school. I remember making a conscious decision to stop saying supper.

• 1:04:33Speaker 04

  Because you didn't want to seem like some redneck.

• 1:04:35Steven Rinella?

  Nobody said supper. Nobody said supper.

• 1:04:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's not, that's not a west coast thing.

• 1:04:41Steven Rinella?

  I remember being like, man, how come these guys, no one says.

• 1:04:44Speaker 04

  That's what we always.

• 1:04:45Steven Rinella?

  I switched to dinner.

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:47Steven Rinella?

  Yeah. I hate it. I hate it about myself now, but I like consciously switched to dinner. So I thought it made you, I was like, fuck it. These guys don't even know what supper is.

• 1:04:56Steven Rinella?

  Oh, there's another question.

• 1:04:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:04:58Steven Rinella?

  Someone asked, I saw a comment come up where there's a, there's a host, Forrest Galant, who, who.

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:05:04Steven Rinella?

  Is that true that he said that?

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  I couldn't tell you. I can look it up though.

• 1:05:08Steven Rinella?

  Says that he said he shouldn't be able to hunt bears because it's trophy hunting?

• 1:05:12Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:05:14Steven Rinella?

  You know what? Here's a good thing to go look at.

• 1:05:20Steven Rinella?

  It was about a guy, yeah, talked about that bear that fell out of the man while hunting in Virginia. So a guy was hunting in Virginia and they treat a bear. It was a tragedy. They treat a bear and we discussed this. So they treat a bear. Someone shot the bear. A guy's dog got under and he thought the bear was gonna land on the dog. He went in there to try to save his dog, got hit by the bear and it killed him. So naturally, it brings out all this commentary like, oh, he deserved it. You know, and all this terrible stuff everybody's saying.

• 1:05:50Speaker 00

  It was pretty nasty.

• 1:05:51Speaker 04

  I don't understand what trophy hunting has to do. Like, it's just like.

• 1:05:55Steven Rinella?

  It's, yeah, I mean, like, bears are great to eat. I don't get it. Like, like, I kill deer and I have deer skulls all over my damn house.

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  I don't know how true that is, because I'm finding, he's put, he has videos of himself hunting bears online, so I don't, I don't know where that.

• 1:06:09Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, that's what I was wondering about.

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  Maybe, maybe he had a change of heart. I don't know.

• 1:06:12Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I was wondering. I don't know. But, but either way, you know, what's a great line? One of my, there's a Boone biography by Faragor, Mac Faragor. And in, in, in the Boone biography by Mac Faragor, he's talking about venison and, and, and venison and bear meat. And he says that on the American frontier, bear meat was for eating.

• 1:06:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:06:36Steven Rinella?

  You shot deer, you shot deer for leather, and when you got hungry, you shot bears.

• 1:06:40Speaker 04

  Yeah. Anyone who's ever eaten a good fall black bear should try it.

• 1:06:46Speaker 00

  Oh, man, it's fatty and delicious. It's, it's awesome.

• 1:06:51Steven Rinella?

  And, you know, everything's got a trophy, man.

• 1:06:53Speaker 04

  Yeah. That's some, some weasels back there.

• 1:06:56Steven Rinella?

  Weasel's got a little trophy.

• 1:06:58Speaker 02

  Okay, people are saying that he said it on his most recent podcast, but I haven't heard that. I can't speak to that. I don't think any, any of us can right now.

• 1:07:05Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, it's a, it's a odd, like, you'd have to really, you'd have to stay up for a few days to find a way to justify that.

• 1:07:12Speaker 04

  And you still wouldn't.

• 1:07:16Steven Rinella?

  How, how do we do the fishing trip thing?

• 1:07:18Speaker 02

  Uh, you say, our next segment is called Meat Eater Top Threes.

• 1:07:22Steven Rinella?

  Our next segment's called Meat Eater Top Threes.

• 1:07:25Speaker 04

  If they feel, oh, okay.

• 1:07:28Speaker 02

  Don't forget about this, Brody.

• 1:07:31Speaker 04

  Well, I, this, yeah, I was waiting on these musical transitions. I hadn't heard one yet.

• 1:07:37Steven Rinella?

  It's great, Phil.

• 1:07:45Steven Rinella?

  Really good film.

• 1:07:46Speaker 02

  Thanks, appreciate it.

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  And then, yeah, Steve, if you look at the script, then it's you continue a little bit more and say, this week, we are ranking our three favorite fishing trips.

• 1:07:58Steven Rinella?

  So naturally, this week, we're ranking our three favorite fishing trips. Maggie, you go first. What's your third most favorite memorable fishing trip?

• 1:08:08Speaker 00

  Uh, so this was a fun trip down in Florida in the Gulf. My, uh, my folks had just retired and they spent three months Airbnb hopping in Florida. They like drove down with their lake boat and they had their, uh, their old town canoe on top of the truck. My mom was like, we look like Beverly Hillbillies going down here. So I, uh, I flew down there and hung out with them. My dad and I went out with a guide for a day and then.

• 1:08:37Steven Rinella?

  But then here you are into the canoe.

• 1:08:38Speaker 00

  Yeah, we just took the canoe out in the mangroves. We had a little trolling motor. We would, uh, we would paddle around some. Fly casting was kinda difficult, but, uh, you know, spinning gear, I'd never caught redfish before. They're super fun fish to catch.

• 1:08:54Steven Rinella?

  And that's your old man in the canoe there?

• 1:08:55Speaker 00

  That's my dad.

• 1:08:56Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, awesome.

• 1:08:57Speaker 00

  He's, uh, he's big on sun protection. And man, redfish on the half shell. Holy cow, that's a great fish to eat. I, uh, I didn't really know what the half shell thing meant, but when you cook them up like that, it hardens up and it's.

• 1:09:12Speaker 04

  Well, those big scales are like.

• 1:09:14Speaker 00

  It's almost like pulling chunks of crab out of there. It's amazing. I actually, I just cooked up that redfish you gave me this summer.

• 1:09:22Steven Rinella?

  Oh, that's good.

• 1:09:22Speaker 00

  It was delicious.

• 1:09:23Steven Rinella?

  You didn't steal my fish.

• 1:09:25Speaker 00

  I didn't. No, you gave that fish to me.

• 1:09:27Speaker 04

  You can do that same thing with northern pike.

• 1:09:29Speaker 00

  No kidding.

• 1:09:30Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:09:30Speaker 00

  Nice.

• 1:09:31Speaker 04

  Can, man.

• 1:09:33Speaker 00

  Gonna have to catch some pike.

• 1:09:34Steven Rinella?

  You've cooked northerns.

• 1:09:35Speaker 04

  You leave the scales on, you can do that.

• 1:09:37Speaker 00

  And it forms that delicious little.

• 1:09:39Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, you got some slime scraping to get down to, man.

• 1:09:42Speaker 04

  No, you're not gonna eat the skin anyway.

• 1:09:44Steven Rinella?

  Oh, you know a trick on de-sliming those suckers? You ever put them in salt for a minute?

• 1:09:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:48Steven Rinella?

  That shit comes off.

• 1:09:49Speaker 04

  It's amazing how they keep producing it forever.

• 1:09:52Steven Rinella?

  Like, where's it coming from?

• 1:09:53Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:09:55Steven Rinella?

  All right, number two.

• 1:09:57Speaker 00

  No, I think we all do.

• 1:09:58Speaker 02

  Now, never gonna do Brody's number three.

• 1:10:01Steven Rinella?

  Oh, wow, this can take forever.

• 1:10:02Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:10:03Speaker 00

  I tried to go fast.

• 1:10:04Speaker 02

  Fly through it. It's nine things to talk about.

• 1:10:06Speaker 04

  Um, this is tough for me, man. I've had a lot of good fishing trips.

• 1:10:09Steven Rinella?

  That's gorgeous.

• 1:10:10Speaker 04

  Um, so I kinda concentrated on family trips because they're the most fun these days.

• 1:10:16Steven Rinella?

  Uh, look at the colors.

• 1:10:17Speaker 04

  Every couple of years, uh, I gotta go on this vacation where my wife's family gets together for a family reunion down south. Um, and, uh, it's kind of vacation where people spend half the day on the beach and half the day at the pool and that, that is tough for me. So I always try and squeeze some fishing in and, uh, we got into some, that first picture, we got into some Dorado and Kobia a few miles out and then the next picture, we, we really got into the speckled trout and white trout, um, back in the sound and, uh, it was just a great trip.

• 1:10:55Steven Rinella?

  Love it.

• 1:10:56Speaker 00

  Did you gaff that thing while you had it on the fly?

• 1:10:59Speaker 04

  The guy, the, we, we were fishing with a, a guide we know down there.

• 1:11:02Steven Rinella?

  And he threw that gaff in there?

• 1:11:03Speaker 04

  He did the gaffing. Yeah. But, yeah, go ahead.

• 1:11:08Steven Rinella?

  Oh, it's my number three. Oh, I was just see my, here, here, I'm holding the triple tail I shot with a spear gun, but this is just a placeholder for, uh, the last bunch of years, handful of years I've been going down and, and diving, uh, spearfishing the oil rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. And, uh, that's become not my most favorite, but a favorite thing of mine to go do is do the oil rigs. And, uh, with that triple tail, it's funny because you have all this murky, brackish water that floats up top and then you have this little band of clear water. So let's say it's 30 feet deep. You have like 12 feet of muck that's on top. Then you'll have a four or five foot band of water you can see. And then you got all the bottom muck.

• 1:11:54Steven Rinella?

  And they call it like the center of the Oreo. And you hunt the center of the Oreo and it's funny because like fish going to the center of the Oreo. And this, this Oreo center was about big enough for a person to lay horizontal in it. I'm not kidding you. It's like a very narrow window of clear water. And I go down and I find that narrow window of clear water and I look and there's that some bitch in triple tail sitting there. And he, the last thing he thought was someone's gonna shoot him.

• 1:12:17Speaker 04

  You know how they lay sideways under like pallets and shit like that?

• 1:12:21Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, not him. No. He wasn't down. He was upright in the rig, upright in the rig. And I walked up to him like I was walking up to you. You know, in No Country for Old Man, when he gets the cop with that captive bolt gun?

• 1:12:32Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:12:33Steven Rinella?

  That was me and that fish.

• 1:12:34Speaker 04

  That's a big triple tail.

• 1:12:37Steven Rinella?

  Okay, I'm done.

• 1:12:39Speaker 02

  Maggie's number two.

• 1:12:41Speaker 00

  Uh, my number two, this is a cool mountain fishing trip right in my backyard in the winds. Uh, went up there with my boyfriend. This is actually a very memorable fishing trip from a dumb mistake I made, which I'll get to, but uh.

• 1:12:56Speaker 02

  So where is this Maggie? Sorry.

• 1:12:58Speaker 00

  Uh, this is in the winds.

• 1:13:00Speaker 02

  I don't know where that is.

• 1:13:01Speaker 00

  It is, uh, the Wind River Range in Wyoming.

• 1:13:04Speaker 02

  Ah, gotcha. This is the lingo I'm not privy to. Thank you. Move on.

• 1:13:09Speaker 00

  So, uh, we went in, I think about 16 or 17 miles one day and we'd sort of just made a big loop and fished our way around for a week. And, uh, came out another trailhead. Um, it was awesome. My old dog, he was, I think 11 there and he was a trooper. Came the whole time. We, uh, yeah, caught cutties, brookies. It was just a really great trip. We, uh, I brought this little packet of like curry paste up with me. It was like a single use packet. And cooking fish over the fire with some curry paste in the middle. Like maybe you're just back country hungry, but holy moly, it was delicious.

• 1:13:49Steven Rinella?

  Well, that's good.

• 1:13:50Speaker 04

  Well, that's the best way to eat trout.

• 1:13:51Speaker 00

  It was, you like, didn't need butter or anything. It was really good. Um, so the last day, our, uh.

• 1:13:59Steven Rinella?

  Wow.

• 1:13:59Speaker 00

  It rained so hard, our, our tent, it was like slapping a bag of wine. If you ever did that in your youthful days. Uh, so it it rained harder than I'd ever seen it rain in the winds and we're walking out and I'm just bopping along thinking about a cheeseburger and a cold beer at the burger bar. And, uh, you know, we're off trail because there's a bunch of trees down and stuff and I just took one bad step and, uh, there's a lot of swearing involved.

• 1:14:28Steven Rinella?

  Looks like you took a bad step and got hit by a truck.

• 1:14:31Speaker 00

  And he was like, uh, you know, he was like, I'll, I'll just set up the tent. I'll leave you here. You know, I'll go get some horses and come back and get you. And I was so mad. I was, I'm fucking pissed, I'm walking out of here, goddammit. So I walked out nine miles on a broken ankle and I've got a plate and seven screws to boot from it.

• 1:14:54Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:14:55Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, that looks painful.

• 1:14:57Speaker 00

  So watch your step out there, kids.

• 1:15:03Speaker 02

  All right, Brody, your number two.

• 1:15:07Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. Um, a couple of years ago, we, we, we go to Fort Peck, um, usually, uh, every year for Memorial Day weekend. And a couple of years ago, we just had like the trip of trips, like for three days, we could do like no wrong on walleye and pike, like giant walleye, big pike. And it was, it was just like one of the best fishing trips I've ever been on. Like the boys were just crushing big fish. It was, it was just a lot of fun.

• 1:15:35Steven Rinella?

  You can also get your heart broken there too.

• 1:15:37Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah. I mean, the, the year before, it wasn't that great. Last year, it wasn't that great.

• 1:15:42Steven Rinella?

  Just like the wind too.

• 1:15:43Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah, yeah. Um, but that, we just like hit it perfectly and it was just.

• 1:15:49Steven Rinella?

  Lakers, Northeast walleyes.

• 1:15:51Speaker 00

  Oh, that's awesome.

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  Cool, Steve, you want to do your, uh? You're number two, bring that up here. I think we all know this picture.

• 1:16:02Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah. One, uh, the one that got away. That octopus.

• 1:16:07Speaker 04

  Still down there.

• 1:16:08Steven Rinella?

  Still down there. Still haunts me. Someday I'm gonna find out where he lives.

• 1:16:13Speaker 02

  Puss in the pot.

• 1:16:14Speaker 00

  Knocking on his.

• 1:16:14Steven Rinella?

  Puss in the pot, I know where he lives. They don't move that much. We're gonna tangle again. Probably this August.

• 1:16:20Speaker 04

  That thing might be big enough to just drag your boat down with it.

• 1:16:23Steven Rinella?

  No, cuz I told you that what I learned about it. What the guy told me. A trick, a fishing trick.

• 1:16:28Speaker 04

  Oh, where you snag him.

• 1:16:29Steven Rinella?

  When you're fighting, having a fight with one. Put a hook into him.

• 1:16:33Speaker 04

  Yeah, before he can latch on.

• 1:16:35Steven Rinella?

  Then you fight with him. And when, if he wins the fight. He just takes off to the bottom. Then you crank him back up and fight with him again. You can fight him as many times as you want cuz you got that hook stuck in him. So next time I get him up to the boat, I'm putting a hook into him. Or I'm gonna drag his ass to the beach.

• 1:16:55Steven Rinella?

  I'm just gonna drive to the beach.

• 1:16:56Speaker 04

  Just wrestle him on the beach.

• 1:16:57Steven Rinella?

  He can stick to the bottom of the boat all he wants and then he's pretty soon he's gonna be pinned between my boat bottom and the bank. I got it all planned out.

• 1:17:04Speaker 02

  I'm just imagining this being the last act of your life, like, like decades from now and you're, and it's just you and the octopus. You both end up on a beach somewhere and you die together.

• 1:17:14Speaker 04

  Steve battles the kraken.

• 1:17:16Steven Rinella?

  I would love to die fighting that octopus.

• 1:17:19Speaker 02

  Great, okay, let's go to Maggie's number, number one. See what.

• 1:17:23Speaker 00

  Uh, my, uh, Nate, my boyfriend and my, my good friend Emily and I took this awesome trip to Costa Rica.

• 1:17:31Speaker 04

  Pescais.

• 1:17:32Speaker 00

  Pescais, sí. Uh, that rooster fish, I, it fought so hard. It was, it was like tailing, like a tarpon.

• 1:17:41Steven Rinella?

  Oh, really?

• 1:17:42Speaker 00

  Getting up and I was so spent and the guys picked it up and handed it to me. I was like, oh, man, I gotta do pushups before my next saltwater fishing trip. I'm spent. Um, but so we went out a couple of days with the guy. We went out at the beginning of our trip. This is like a two week trip. We just kind of bopped around the Osa Peninsula.

• 1:18:04Speaker 00

  And so we went out the first day and we crushed it on Dorado. So we had a pile of fish that we'd just freeze and carried around with us. And we went out, I think it was like right before Christmas that first day. So I think the next picture should be our Christmas feast. Um, oh, that's a jack I caught offshore. We just tossed poppers off the shore for Jack and there were rooster fish surfing in the waves.

• 1:18:31Steven Rinella?

  Oh, really?

• 1:18:32Speaker 00

  It was incredible. Just the diversity of fish we found. So this was all Dorado. We've got like three different, we've got like two ceviches, a poke, kind of like a crudo sashimi thing, some pan fried fish, uh, some kind of burnt fried plantains and a, uh, embarrassing amount of pilsens in the trash can over there. But, uh, but that was our Christmas feast. Oh, and the snapper was incredibly good eating.

• 1:19:02Steven Rinella?

  That's a mutton?

• 1:19:03Speaker 00

  Um.

• 1:19:04Speaker 04

  Is that a cubera?

• 1:19:05Speaker 00

  I think it's a small cubera.

• 1:19:06Steven Rinella?

  Oh, is it?

• 1:19:07Speaker 00

  The cubera was really tasty.

• 1:19:09Speaker 04

  Those things get gigantic.

• 1:19:10Speaker 00

  They get huge. We caught a bigger one, but that size was really good eating. We actually, the one souvenir we brought back from Costa Rica was this like metal dish that we bought at one of the local stores so we could cook those snapper fish in it.

• 1:19:25Steven Rinella?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 1:19:25Speaker 00

  And that is, uh, that's the one thing we brought home and I still use it for cooking fish.

• 1:19:30Speaker 04

  Great. All right, Brody, you're number one. Mm hmm.

• 1:19:34Speaker 04

  Um, every trip to the fish shack is good, but last year was like exceptionally good fishing. And the funny thing is like a day, day or two before we got there, Steve called me and he's like, man, I got some bad news. He's like, fishing's really good, so it's bound to end soon.

• 1:19:55Steven Rinella?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:55Speaker 04

  And.

• 1:19:56Steven Rinella?

  It comes in seven day waves, man.

• 1:19:58Speaker 04

  But we got there and it just kept going and going and going all week.

• 1:20:03Speaker 00

  Oh, nice.

• 1:20:04Speaker 04

  Halibut salmon, Pacific cod, um, ling cod. It was just like a really good king salmon. Um, it was just a really, really good week of fishing and it's just always a great time up there.

• 1:20:20Speaker 02

  Great. All right. Let's move on to Steve's number one here.

• 1:20:26Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah. So that's a, yeah, that's a wooden hook. A traditional native Alaskan coastal native Alaskan fishing hook called a knock. Knock.

• 1:20:39Steven Rinella?

  I was out with Heather Duville and her father, Mike, who live in Craig, Alaska. They're Klingit and they took me out to fish. We were filming my new history channel show, Hunting History. And one of the scenes, we go out with them to fish with traditional hooks. I had always seen these hooks everywhere you go in Southeast Alaska. One of these hooks is hanging on the wall. And I always thought two things. Um, I thought, how do you set that thing? And two, there's no way that thing works. And we put a dozen of those hooks down.

• 1:21:15Steven Rinella?

  Let them fish for maybe two hours.

• 1:21:17Speaker 02

  You're baiting at with octopus, right?

• 1:21:19Steven Rinella?

  Wrapped, baited with octopus. Her and her dad set out, they always set them in pairs. They set them in pairs so the hooks compete with each other.

• 1:21:29Steven Rinella?

  We set out six pairs. Okay. They let them fish on two hours, maybe we let them sit for two hours. So 12 hooks all set in the same area on the same bank. Come back and had, and had three, three halibut, all 70 plus.

• 1:21:43Speaker 00

  So you're not like trolling or jigging or?

• 1:21:46Steven Rinella?

  That hook floats. So

• 1:21:48Speaker 00

  Huh.

• 1:21:49Steven Rinella?

  That hook is tied to a rock. So there's a rock. You got about 18 inches of line and that hook floats above the rock. It's buoyant and it's got two different woods. So it floats the right way. And it's one of those, what he ate is wrapped in octopus. So he goes on. And they got a metal spike on there that winds up catching them.

• 1:22:08Speaker 02

  Pointing back.

• 1:22:09Steven Rinella?

  Pointing back the other way. So they were telling me that traditionally those hooks were made with bare, not metal, not stainless, but bare shin bone. Okay. So they carved their own knocks and they put that stainless barb on there or, you know? But I, when I got home, I put out an email at looking for bare shin bones and Corey's not here.

• 1:22:34Steven Rinella?

  Gave me a bear shin bone. So I I cut that bear shin bone up and I made a couple bear shin bone barbs. And they had given me one of those knocks. And I took the steel spike off and put a bear shin bone. I made the I did the whole thing. I dried it out real good and then made it with a belt sander. So I made the prong and mounted that bear shin bone prong and sent it back up to Heather and they're gonna take it out and fish it.

• 1:23:04Speaker 00

  Cool.

• 1:23:04Steven Rinella?

  And see, and I think it's gonna hold up.

• 1:23:06Speaker 04

  Nice.

• 1:23:07Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, I think it's gonna hold up. That was like, but that day.

• 1:23:12Steven Rinella?

  That was one of the most incredible things I've ever seen. 12 hooks, three big halibut. One of those sets had two. So seeing a halibut come up on a wooden hook tied to a rock.

• 1:23:21Speaker 00

  That's wild.

• 1:23:22Steven Rinella?

  I mean, a rock.

• 1:23:24Speaker 00

  I had seen those, but I always assumed they were like trolled or something.

• 1:23:27Steven Rinella?

  It was cool as shit, man. I couldn't believe. You know, the other thing is when that fish is hooked on that thing, he's like, they they take them up real gentle. He's not fighting. It's like you got him by the you got him by the balls when he's on that thing, man. They just come up. They're like, I give up.

• 1:23:45Speaker 04

  And when when they're pulling them in, are they harpooner? Are they just lifting them up?

• 1:23:48Steven Rinella?

  No, so he takes I learned so much shit about halibut this day.

• 1:23:54Steven Rinella?

  When that fish comes up, he's got a way. He hits it on its nose.

• 1:23:59Speaker 04

  Flop. Just stuns them.

• 1:24:00Steven Rinella?

  Just stuns them. And you know when you pull a big halibut in the boat, it starts beating all around. It's gonna like break fishing rods and everybody's freaking out. They pet it on the white side of the belly. You just tickle its belly.

• 1:24:10Speaker 04

  I gotta remember that.

• 1:24:11Steven Rinella?

  And they go rigid. And then I also learned, I've been bleeding halibut all the way wrong. When they bleed a halibut.

• 1:24:18Steven Rinella?

  It's like, it's like, it's like a Quentin Tarantino movie.

• 1:24:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, where did you you told me where do you gotta stick them?

• 1:24:25Steven Rinella?

  I can't, I have to explain it.

• 1:24:26Speaker 04

  You don't want to give away that.

• 1:24:27Steven Rinella?

  Dude, and they're not sawing away. I mean, they take that knife and one little and it's like, like I said, it's like a I didn't know there's so much blood in a halibut. We bleed halibut and you get like a thimble. They bleed halibut. Like I said, it looks like it's like it's like watching Pulp Fiction.

• 1:24:46Speaker 00

  That's cool.

• 1:24:46Steven Rinella?

  That was a hell of a day.

• 1:24:47Speaker 00

  I bet.

• 1:24:48Steven Rinella?

  Thank you, Heather.

• 1:24:49Speaker 02

  Awesome. Thanks, guys. Okay, last, last Q and A.

• 1:24:52Steven Rinella?

  Oh.

• 1:24:52Speaker 02

  Section here, then we'll, we'll wrap up the show. So your last, last call for questions, get them in if you want. Uh, the first one's more of a comment, but he thought you'd appreciate this. Steve Collins says that he finally picked up a copy of The Scavenger's Guide to Hoak Cuisine from a used bookstore, and the lower half of the pages are covered in dried deer blood. So.

• 1:25:08Steven Rinella?

  That's great.

• 1:25:08Speaker 02

  He wanted to let you know.

• 1:25:09Steven Rinella?

  That's great. How's he know it's deer blood?

• 1:25:11Speaker 02

  Uh, he says apparently someone, whoever sold it to the store wrote a note saying it was deer blood. Maybe, maybe he's just trying to cover his tracks.

• 1:25:17Steven Rinella?

  Well, that's classic murder. That's a classic murder move right there.

• 1:25:20Speaker 02

  Murder behavior.

• 1:25:21Steven Rinella?

  Cops get to your house. That's all deer blood, boys.

• 1:25:25Speaker 02

  Question for the crew. What do you think of shed hunting area closures? Is it ethical or a pointless gesture?

• 1:25:31Steven Rinella?

  No, I think it makes sense. Like, in some place, it depends. In some places, I think where you have, like,

• 1:25:39Steven Rinella?

  I think if you got an area where you got this incredible amounts of snow and you got a bunch of animals that are already stressed and half dead, and it's March, and they, and instead of people hounding them and chasing them around to get antlers, I see now and then that it makes sense to tell everybody to hold off till, till you reduce the snow load and the animals can move on.

• 1:25:59Speaker 00

  I totally agree, because I live right in the middle of a huge mule deer migration corridor. We've got elk feed grounds, and if people could just go in there whenever, like, those animals would be freaked out.

• 1:26:11Speaker 04

  Yeah, nobody needs to be.

• 1:26:12Speaker 00

  In the most stressful time of the year.

• 1:26:14Speaker 04

  You just don't need to be bumping them around at the time of year when they're at their, like, the, the bottom of their health for the year. It's just, like, too easy to run them down.

• 1:26:23Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, and there's a saying, winner, winner weakens, spring kills. Um, you're hitting them at a bad time, and then, and then too, you always gotta, like, the, the problem is too, you always, sometimes you gotta make laws for the worst actors.

• 1:26:36Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:26:36Steven Rinella?

  And you get people, it sucks to say it, but you get people that run after and chase after animals to get them to drop.

• 1:26:42Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 1:26:43Speaker 00

  Oh, man. And like the the shed opener where I live, it's well, they actually have a week for locals now, which is nice because it slowed it down a little bit. But like I walk my dog out on BLM every day and I know the places where the deer hold and I avoid those places, you know. Shed opener, people are just running around on four by side by sides, like not on dirt roads. There's more people out there. I never see a soul out there and they're just all over the place. Deer running around freaking out like it's always a big ordeal. So, you know, there might be something to having like one opening day being this big event, but I think it's better than animals getting chased around in the winter when they're already struggling pretty good.

• 1:27:26Speaker 02

  Mitch is asking, how long is too long to freeze a skull before cleaning it to mount?

• 1:27:31Steven Rinella?

  There's no such thing.

• 1:27:34Speaker 04

  It's not.

• 1:27:36Speaker 00

  I had a deer skull in a Dave's sushi bag.

• 1:27:41Speaker 00

  I forgot about in my garage when I lived in a trailer here in Bozeman with my friend. And goes, I was wondering what was in that Dave's sushi bag in the garage and I opened it up and good Lord Maggie. That thing's rancid. I was like, oh, don't worry. I'll I'll boil it. It'll be fine.

• 1:27:58Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, that that bone will never weaken in a freezer.

• 1:28:02Speaker 02

  Cool. I think you covered a lot of this stuff on the podcast with Mo, Steve, but this is the first radio live since your new show Hunting History premiered. Uh, and Anthony's feeding into the the conspiracy. He says, do you think DB Cooper burned his parachute?

• 1:28:17Steven Rinella?

  No. I mean, no one knows, but I don't know if you ever messed with a parachute. That's a they're a mess. They're a mess. I have to think he's I think he stashed it. I think he stuck it somewhere. I don't think he carried it around. I think he buried it somewhere. You know, after messing with one, like you stick that thing under a log and jam it under there and throw some moss and stuff. You'd have to just you'd have to like dig in the right spot.

• 1:28:40Speaker 04

  Especially in that environment.

• 1:28:42Steven Rinella?

  I don't think he carried it around. I think burned it would have been a bitch. In the rain.

• 1:28:48Speaker 02

  Greg's asking, thoughts on Colorado non-resident Elkhorn tags in 2025? Do you think the old over the counter units will be zero points? He's trying to build confidence. He wasn't over the counter guy that wasn't smart enough to save up his points.

• 1:29:00Speaker 04

  I think, I think it was a necessary move as much as people don't want to hear it. And the point thing is going to be very unit dependent. Some units, they'll, you'll need points and some you won't. This depends how many tags they issue.

• 1:29:21Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 1:29:21Steven Rinella?

  I could do this all day, Phil. I like these questions.

• 1:29:23Speaker 02

  Okay. Well, this is officially the longest episode of Radio Live. We can keep going.

• 1:29:28Steven Rinella?

  Let's stop.

• 1:29:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, okay, cool. Thanks for the questions, guys. Appreciate it.

• 1:29:34Speaker 02

  Is the part where you wrap up the show, Steve? You don't say anything else you want to say?

• 1:29:37Steven Rinella?

  Oh, um, yeah. Rowdy, wrap it up.

• 1:29:42Speaker 04

  How about I wrap it up by telling you to talk about your little history tour you're doing?

• 1:29:46Steven Rinella?

  Oh, yeah. So me and Randall tour is a little, someone pointed out the tour is seems a little, it's a little heavy.

• 1:29:53Speaker 02

  Guess what? Randall and Seth are still in the waiting room. Hey, guys, what's going on?

• 1:29:57Steven Rinella?

  Me and Randall, here's the deal. Me and Randall, does anybody know the dates off the top of their head?

• 1:30:04Speaker 07

  The 11th in Bozeman?

• 1:30:06Steven Rinella?

  Me and Randall are going on a mini tour. We're going on a college tour. We're going to college campuses and doing a free lecture about the mountain man era. We're doing, we're doing one at Montana State University. We're doing one at University of Montana and we're doing.

• 1:30:21Speaker 00

  20th?

• 1:30:22Steven Rinella?

  Sorry?

• 1:30:23Speaker 00

  I was trying to stick the dates in there for you.

• 1:30:26Steven Rinella?

  Montana State University.

• 1:30:27Speaker 00

  February 11th.

• 1:30:29Steven Rinella?

  University of Montana.

• 1:30:30Speaker 00

  February 20th.

• 1:30:32Steven Rinella?

  University of Wyoming.

• 1:30:33Speaker 00

  February 26th.

• 1:30:34Steven Rinella?

  Yeah, it's free, open to the public. Watch our website to get, you got to register. You can't just show up. You got to like tell your comments so we can, so people don't show up and there's no seats. And I'm not sure how many of them still have seats, but like I said, come on down. Me and Randall onstage telling the story of the mountain men and what that era meant and means.

• 1:30:56Speaker 04

  There you go.

• 1:30:57Speaker 00

  Go on.

• 1:30:57Steven Rinella?

  See you next week.

• 1:30:58Speaker 00

  The meat eater.com live events.

• 1:31:00Steven Rinella?

  I'm gonna come down here next week.

• 1:31:03Steven Rinella?

  Maybe.

• 1:31:05Speaker 02

  Tune in to find out. Thanks, everyone.

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