KHC 150 - Sh*t Talkers Weekly 11

Join us for a new Sh*t Talkers Weekly podcast episode! This week Cam and James cover questions from Instagram, Truett’s marathon update, the Moab 240 and more! Listen on: Spotify: https://spoti.fi/3XCm31n Apple Podcast: https://apple.co/3Dm6ClE Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00 Hate Comments from Cam’s Bow Set-Up Video 00:05:56 Old Playboy Magazines 00:08:34 Hennessey Truck Giveaway Update 00:10:23 Cam’s Top 3 Favorite Rappers 00:11:51 St. George Marathon & Addressing the Haters 00:18:32 Moab 240, David Goggins, & Killian Korth 00:21:07 The Reality of Long Marathon Races 00:26:22 Moab 240: Andy Glaze 00:29:55 Industry Drama & The Ed Gein Story on Netflix 00:36:24 Thoughts on the Recent Leadville Film 00:38:32 Ambler Road Project 00:40:48 QA’s from Instagram 00:43:00 Wenaha Film Progress 00:45:44 Cam’s Jury Duty 00:55:52 Outro: Final Thoughts Thank you to our sponsors: LMNT: Visit https://drinklmnt.com/cam for a free sample pack with any purchase Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% your first order Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Sig Sauer: https://www.sigsauer.com/ use code CAM10 for 10% off optics Montana Knife Company: https://www.montanaknifecompany.com/ Use code CAM for 10% off Grizzly Coolers: ⁠https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/⁠ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 20% off

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• 0:00Cameron Hanes?

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• 1:21Cameron Hanes?

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• 2:05Cameron Hanes?

  So, what do you got?

• 2:09Speaker 01

  Chickity check yourself.

• 2:11Cameron Hanes?

  Chickity check yourself before you wreck yourself?

• 2:13Speaker 01

  Before you chickity wreck yourself.

• 2:16Cameron Hanes?

  Keep hammering collective, keep hammering with Gideon, Shit Talkers 11.

• 2:21Speaker 01

  You, you, you, you.

• 2:24Cameron Hanes?

  What were you just saying?

• 2:25Speaker 01

  Chickity check yourself.

• 2:26Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, right, yeah.

• 2:27Speaker 01

  Before you riggity wreck yourself.

• 2:29Cameron Hanes?

  Right, okay, that's what I was, I was gonna say the same thing.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, that'll tie back in later.

• 2:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 2:34Speaker 01

  It'll make sense.

• 2:35Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, good.

• 2:38Speaker 01

  Before we go on this long journey.

• 2:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 2:40Speaker 01

  What's up?

• 2:41Cameron Hanes?

  Not much.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  Yeah?

• 2:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I'm, I'm back.

• 2:45Speaker 01

  From doing nothing this weekend?

• 2:47Cameron Hanes?

  Man, I'm getting exhausted, been elk hunting for, feels like the entire year.

• 2:53Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 2:55Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  A little longer season than normal?

• 2:58Cameron Hanes?

  Man, yeah, from August to mid-October.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, how was it?

• 3:04Cameron Hanes?

  Ah, it was good. Just, you know, hard time to bow hunt.

• 3:11Speaker 01

  Looked a little muddy.

• 3:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it was muddy, rainy, but yeah, it was good.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  Good.

• 3:16Cameron Hanes?

  It was good, yeah. Wild Country Adventures is a place to go.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  Well, I had someone DM me, I thought this is a good description of our podcast, well, not description, but they said, "To find Shit Talkers Weekly, all you have to type in the search bar is white noise."

• 3:39Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, so is that racist or what is that?

• 3:42Speaker 01

  I don't know, but it was meant as a compliment, so.

• 3:44Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, really?

• 3:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:45Cameron Hanes?

  That's a compliment?

• 3:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:47Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 3:48Speaker 01

  I guess people like white noise.

• 3:50Cameron Hanes?

  They do?

• 3:52Cameron Hanes?

  Didn't know that was a positive, but.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  God forbid a couple of white boys catch a little motion.

• 3:56Cameron Hanes?

  I know, I know, yeah, hey, don't hate the player.

• 4:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, speaking of hate, we got a good amount of hate on the last Gear Dump video.

• 4:07Cameron Hanes?

  We did?

• 4:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:08Cameron Hanes?

  What, for my bow? Or what?

• 4:11Speaker 01

  Talking shit on releases.

• 4:13Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 4:15Speaker 01

  Which, let's start this off again, because people must not have heard it last time. It's all love.

• 4:19Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, right. Guys, this is all love.

• 4:22Speaker 01

  And we cannot be held responsible for anything we say.

• 4:24Cameron Hanes?

  No, no, no, no, no. So if your panties are in a bunch, that's on you.

• 4:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:29Cameron Hanes?

  That's not us, because this is love.

• 4:31Speaker 01

  People also had their panties in a wad over you saying that, you know, your arrows you use have won the last, whatever, since 1996. But then you turn around and talk shit about the releases the pros use.

• 4:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 4:47Speaker 01

  So people didn't like that. Of course, people thought you were just peddling gear to be bought.

• 4:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I don't even give a about sponsors. My sponsors actually know that, so you could ask them.

• 4:59Speaker 01

  And then someone said that I'm the sidekick and I had no idea what I was talking about and just brown nosing you.

• 5:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Which, obviously.

• 5:08Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 5:08Speaker 01

  What do you?

• 5:09Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, as far as the arrows go, okay, there's two different categories. So how you release a projectile, that's a big part of hunting.

• 5:20Speaker 01

  Huge.

• 5:21Cameron Hanes?

  If you, if you do it right, yeah, the arrow is going to go in the, in the X or in the lungs or whatever. So it doesn't really matter, are we talking X or, or bow hunting? Are we talking target or bow hunting? All I'm saying, so you want a very accurate arrow, that's the most accurate arrow there is. So how you release it, that's a big deal, because that matters. If you're on the line in Vegas and you got all the time in the world and you're shooting a piece of paper that's not moving, that's different than being in the woods.

• 5:50Speaker 01

  I think so.

• 5:52Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, so why can't those be two separate things?

• 5:55Speaker 01

  Because.

• 5:56Cameron Hanes?

  You go, you have to go all target, so you're supposed to shoot, what, 40 pounds out there with, with a 200 grain arrow?

• 6:02Speaker 01

  12 foot stabilizer?

• 6:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and the, and the arrow is like the size of a, you know, baseball bat, a line cutter? Are you going to hunt with that? No, we're talking two different things, dipshits. So anyway.

• 6:15Speaker 01

  It's all love. Yeah.

• 6:16Cameron Hanes?

  I love you. No, no, no. Right. All love guys.

• 6:19Speaker 01

  And I do stand on business. I think the guys I know that use a hinge are head cases and they get target panic. So.

• 6:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 6:28Speaker 01

  Come for me.

• 6:29Cameron Hanes?

  Who I said, I said Adam, Remy, Waddell, you know, our index release guys.

• 6:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:36Cameron Hanes?

  And that's their job. So if, if there was something that made them better at their job, they'd probably use that, right?

• 6:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so.

• 6:45Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. Just checking.

• 6:47Speaker 01

  But how do you get that cleared up for everyone, for all the haters?

• 6:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, good.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Yeah. Just to summarize, go fuck yourselves.

• 6:53Cameron Hanes?

  And also it's, you know, the, why we love archery is because it is so personal to us. And everybody has their own, their favorites, why they choose them, who they follow, what they talk about, whether it sounds convincing to the consumer, to the fellow bowhunter, however, those are two, those are the same things, consumer and fellow bowhunters, right? So it's like, we're just talking, we're sharing what works for us. I shared what works for me. And I said, I don't give a what you use.

• 7:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:24Cameron Hanes?

  I'm pretty sure I said that.

• 7:25Speaker 01

  Pretty sure. Yeah. I'm pretty sure you said whatever makes you feel the most confident.

• 7:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's it. I mean, if, and I want you to have the same amount of confidence that I have in my stuff, I want you to have in yours. But if you're using a hinge, you won't have it.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:38Cameron Hanes?

  Cause you're gonna fuck up. Just kidding.

• 7:40Speaker 01

  There we go. We cleared it up. Now we get into some more fun topics. This one you'll really enjoy.

• 7:46Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 7:46Speaker 01

  So I was at, uh, damn, it's this antique store or whatever. I saw Lisa there.

• 7:52Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Endicott. Okay. Anyways, walked towards the back and there's a collection of old Playboys.

• 7:57Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 7:58Speaker 01

  Which I hadn't seen. I had never been, I've never looked through like a 1985's, you know, Playboy.

• 8:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. You should.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  You definitely should.

• 8:09Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, the bushes might be out of control. I don't know. I don't remember.

• 8:12Speaker 01

  I thought it was pretty tasteful.

• 8:16Cameron Hanes?

  Cause back, back before, I mean, now it's like, you know, you want the girls to be like, you know, a dolphin.

• 8:24Cameron Hanes?

  There's no hair, but back then it was big hair up on the head, let alone, you know, downstairs.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  And I mean, just spread eagle poses.

• 8:38Speaker 01

  I mean, I opened that centerfold and.

• 8:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, really?

• 8:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:43Cameron Hanes?

  That's cool.

• 8:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I had to check a couple of them just to make sure.

• 8:45Cameron Hanes?

  Right. No, this, wait, is this, is, are these real? Are these authentic?

• 8:49Speaker 01

  But I'm sitting there flipping for a while and then I noticed this guy kind of talking to himself behind me.

• 8:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 8:54Speaker 01

  Fiddling with shit that didn't matter.

• 8:56Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 8:57Speaker 01

  So I'm like, oh, he's probably waiting.

• 8:59Cameron Hanes?

  Loitering. Yeah.

• 9:01Speaker 01

  So I put it away and as soon as I walked out of there, moved it.

• 9:05Cameron Hanes?

  And then went to the bathroom.

• 9:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, a couple of them had crusty pages, you know?

• 9:11Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, it's tough. It's tough. Uh, it's tough for the old, the old, uh, nudie magazines with, since everybody's got their mobile porn device.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, nobody wants to read anymore.

• 9:26Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, it was, the articles were fantastic. That writing is amazing.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was.

• 9:35Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, I heard, that's what I heard.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, I've never.

• 9:37Cameron Hanes?

  I never even saw one.

• 9:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:39Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, I'd have to go to an antique store.

• 9:40Speaker 01

  If I did see one, they were really nice.

• 9:42Cameron Hanes?

  I remember, yeah, when they used to have Playboy in the airports and I always thought that that was fucking ballsy.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  That's.

• 9:49Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, what are you going to get a Playboy to look at on the plane?

• 9:53Speaker 01

  It seems weird.

• 9:57Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, you can't do a privacy screen in your magazine.

• 10:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, I didn't know how, I thought they were kind of tastefully done. You couldn't really see anything.

• 10:06Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 10:07Speaker 01

  I thought it was like Sports Illustrated.

• 10:08Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, National Geographic.

• 10:10Speaker 01

  No. Yeah, it was.

• 10:12Cameron Hanes?

  That's, I just, me and Tru just watched Step Brothers and it was like.

• 10:16Speaker 01

  Good housekeeping.

• 10:17Cameron Hanes?

  Good housekeeping, that's what it was.

• 10:20Speaker 01

  Did we just become best friends?

• 10:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. Um, the other thing that happened to me is I went to a car dealership yesterday with my girlfriend because she or someone hit her car, totaled it, whatever. But the whole car dealership knew who I was.

• 10:36Cameron Hanes?

  Really? Whoa. They knew Gideon?

• 10:39Speaker 01

  The car. Yeah. They're like, are you? You're not.

• 10:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 10:44Speaker 01

  I was like, oh no. And I got paraded around and met everybody. They were super nice.

• 10:48Cameron Hanes?

  What, which, which one was it?

• 10:50Speaker 01

  Toyota, Lithia and Springfield.

• 10:52Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  Yeah. Sam Jones.

• 10:54Cameron Hanes?

  That's where I bought, uh, traces.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:58Cameron Hanes?

  Her car.

• 11:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 11:00Speaker 01

  Yeah. Super nice, but it was super weird.

• 11:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's all right.

• 11:03Speaker 01

  But, uh,

• 11:04Cameron Hanes?

  That's all good.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  Speaking of buying vehicles.

• 11:08Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I know. Yeah. Yeah. I need a, well, I'm giving away my Raptor. So, oh yeah, we have a winner.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, but we can't.

• 11:17Cameron Hanes?

  We can't call yet?

• 11:19Speaker 01

  No.

• 11:19Cameron Hanes?

  We're gonna call live.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  I know.

• 11:20Cameron Hanes?

  On, on the air.

• 11:21Speaker 01

  Do Wednesday.

• 11:22Cameron Hanes?

  What happened? Oh, we get background check?

• 11:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 11:24Cameron Hanes?

  Okay. And also, guys, so we have a winner of the truck. If he passes a background check, we'll give it to him. But just so you know, this is not like, people think that I just

• 11:37Cameron Hanes?

  pick who I want to win. No, this is by the book laws, lottery commissions, all sorts of shit. But anyway, um, yeah, so we got a winner. We should be announcing that this week and then, yeah, so I wasn't gonna have a truck. So I had to, I had to buy, yeah, I got that Volkswagen Beetle out there.

• 11:58Cameron Hanes?

  Gonna refurbish it.

• 11:59Speaker 01

  People are gonna be stoked to get that.

• 12:00Cameron Hanes?

  Kirby.

• 12:05Speaker 01

  Used to be a great movie.

• 12:06Cameron Hanes?

  I know. Yeah.

• 12:08Speaker 01

  Lindsay Lohan.

• 12:09Cameron Hanes?

  Was she in it?

• 12:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, the remake. Yeah. But, um, all right. Well, from my story, somebody wants to know your top three best white rappers of all time.

• 12:23Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, okay. Well, Em.

• 12:25Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 12:25Cameron Hanes?

  You gotta go Marshall Mathers, right? Is Mac Miller's rap, right?

• 12:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:31Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, yeah, Mac Miller.

• 12:34Cameron Hanes?

  One more. Oh, I mean, I don't know. I mean, I don't really, I don't see color.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Right.

• 12:40Cameron Hanes?

  So I don't, I don't even know if these guys are white or whatever, but.

• 12:45Speaker 01

  Kendrick Lamar.

• 12:48Cameron Hanes?

  Meek Mill?

• 12:50Cameron Hanes?

  No, I like NF. He's all right.

• 12:52Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 12:53Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he's got some pretty good stuff.

• 12:54Speaker 01

  Some people would say NF is coworker music.

• 12:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know. It's, I mean, he just, I don't know. I just see him like on reels.

• 13:03Speaker 01

  I don't, I don't hate him. I think he's got some good stuff.

• 13:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I think so too. So, but yeah, you can't go, you can't go wrong with Eminem and Mac Miller.

• 13:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, mine are Eminem, Slim Jesus. Do you know who that is?

• 13:15Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 13:16Speaker 01

  Macy throwing a clip.

• 13:19Speaker 02

  He threw like 50 to me. All these rappers is broke. That should be sitting in me. You blew the whole bag on them.

• 13:24Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  He's like this 16 year old kid, super white, but anyways, and Lil Dicky.

• 13:31Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, that was Cat Bradley. She liked Lil.

• 13:35Speaker 01

  Oh, really?

• 13:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't even, I didn't even know who it was, but he's not bad.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  Okay, now into some news. Truitt.

• 13:43Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  Broke his 230.

• 13:45Cameron Hanes?

  He did. Yeah, it's quite, quite the controversy too.

• 13:49Speaker 01

  I saw that. Had some hate.

• 13:51Cameron Hanes?

  Got some hate. Yeah, and then he, he addressed, some people might say addressed the haters too much on his weekly video.

• 13:59Speaker 01

  And he got some hate for addressing the hate.

• 14:01Speaker 03

  This isn't my last marathon, buddy.

• 14:05Speaker 03

  Hey, guys, keep watching. Let's have fun with this thing. And if anything, it actually kind of gives me joy to make you guys angry because it's weird how much you guys care.

• 14:13Cameron Hanes?

  And I said, I go, it doesn't matter, dude. It doesn't matter. So you know what? Now the next video, you talk about how grateful you are for all the support. So it's just, there's nothing bad, nothing that you dress it or you say something bad or something, you screw something up, then you'll dress it, then it's like, on to the next thing.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  I listened to it. I thought it was funny.

• 14:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean, he was fine. It's just, you know, people.

• 14:39Cameron Hanes?

  Ah, I mean, there's a lot to hate. He's, you know, as we've talked about, he's got a lot going for him. That's enough to garner some hate. But then it's like, he ran the downhill marathon. And what I was saying is like, yeah, it was a downhill course, but it was kind of treating it like a, like a, like how you do on treadmill where you get that quick leg turnover. So you ramp that treadmill up faster than you could run on flat by yourself.

• 15:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 15:09Cameron Hanes?

  Just so you get your body used to that leg turnover and that speed. And I said, well, it's no different than that. So you use the hill to maybe run some quicker miles, get your body used to it. That's just how it goes. And people are saying it doesn't count. And it's just like, well, I don't know. I mean, you can tell all those thousands of people there who ran that, yeah, what you did doesn't count. It's like, shut the up.

• 15:29Speaker 01

  It's also like, okay, you're a hater. So in your perfect world, you know, is that adjusted to a two thirty one, two thirty two? Like, he's still probably faster than you.

• 15:41Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, no shit.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  You know?

• 15:42Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah. And then there was like this other run influencer. It's just stupid. But, uh, uh, said something about downhill. There's that turned into a whole thing. But, uh, it's like, why the care? Why do you care? Well, Tru is faster than him.

• 16:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 16:03Cameron Hanes?

  For one. And, uh, yeah, I don't know. I mean, Tru is at least putting himself out there. Yeah, downhill, flat. Leadville wasn't really downhill, but he does a lot of, he does all races. Fast 10 Ks, marathons, downhill, ultras. What do you, what do you want?

• 16:22Speaker 01

  The other thing is, is they gave him shit for downhill when he wasn't running this fast too. It's like, oh, and then he,

• 16:28Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 16:29Speaker 01

  ran faster. It was like,

• 16:31Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 16:31Speaker 01

  You guys are gonna eat your words eventually. Do you not see the pattern?

• 16:35Cameron Hanes?

  I, I think I commented before, like when he first did the first downhill one, of course, there's people that are always looking for shit. But I'm like, it only counts if you run up Everest and you finish at the top. That's the finish line at the top of Mount Everest. That's the only marathon that actually counts. All you other pussies running these flat ones in the city? What do you, come on, that doesn't count. It's gotta be up Everest.

• 16:58Speaker 01

  I thought someone commented downhill merchant. I was like, he should make a shirt out of that.

• 17:06Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I don't know, but we were, uh, you know, everybody puts out their goals and it's all good. Um, his goal was sub two thirty. His goal wasn't sub two thirty on an uphill course. It wasn't sub two thirty on a flat course. It wasn't sub two thirty on a downhill. It was just sub two thirty, right?

• 17:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:24Cameron Hanes?

  An official marathon, twenty six point two. Did he break two thirty?

• 17:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah, but like almost five minutes.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:33Cameron Hanes?

  So just, but just settle down, cause if that upsets you, you're gonna be really upset with his next goal. His next video series is gonna really get people worked up.

• 17:44Speaker 01

  It's definitely gonna tickle some feathers.

• 17:46Cameron Hanes?

  Oh shit. They're just like, this two twenty five, forty one, whatever it was, don't worry about that.

• 17:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:53Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, that's gonna be a non-factor. So all you fucking pussies that are also worked up about what he's doing, just be patient.

• 18:01Speaker 01

  That's, that is another thing I kinda like is these people get so worked up about this two twenty five, obviously knowing true. I know he's not stopping there. So this is just a, this is a checkpoint.

• 18:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, this is.

• 18:12Speaker 01

  So it's like, whatever, you know?

• 18:13Cameron Hanes?

  No, you start, when he first started, it was like, you know, he ran three thirty when he was thirteen years old. I lied to get him Eugene Marathon. He was supposed to be sixteen. I said he was sixteen, he was thirteen, but whatever. So then it was like, well, could we break three? Okay, break three hours. Yeah, he did that. He got to, got the Boston qualifier, the Boston got canceled because of COVID, but he ran a, like a two fifty seven. Okay, cool. Oh, I wonder if he could break two fifty, cause that was my fastest time. Oh, he did that. Oh, I wonder if he could break two forty. Well, he did that. Oh, I want, it's just how it can work. Okay, just, just relax.

• 18:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. So, yeah, buckle up, cause it's not over.

• 18:54Cameron Hanes?

  And he's putting in, I mean, I, he was last, or every day I was in Utah, I mean, he ran ten miles every day, for sure.

• 19:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, and he still looks.

• 19:05Cameron Hanes?

  He's way too big still. Yeah, he's still jacked. But, uh, yeah, and we were putting in miles in the mountains. Uh, it was all good and he packed out most, I think probably three quarters of my bowl. I mean, cause I would just like, hey, load those things on that pack and get it up to the truck. He's just like, whatever, Jack.

• 19:23Speaker 01

  Yes, Pa.

• 19:25Cameron Hanes?

  And so he doesn't, he like, he wanted to work out.

• 19:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:29Cameron Hanes?

  He probably would have went back and forth a few times, not even taking it off the pack frame. But, uh, yeah, I mean, it's, it's the nature of the business, you know, you garner this attention. You put yourself out there, you put your goals out there. Part of the deal is you're going to be criticized. That's it. It's, and that's fine. Um, there's just a lot of people out there doing things that want attention for it. And it's great. He just happens to be very aggressive on his, his time goals. These other people aren't really, they got this, they're arbitrary. It's kind of like breaking three, I want to break three. And that's okay.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:09Cameron Hanes?

  But how's it any different than what he's doing?

• 20:13Speaker 01

  It's not.

• 20:14Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  It's relative.

• 20:15Cameron Hanes?

  He just has more, getting more attention.

• 20:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:17Cameron Hanes?

  So it makes people mad.

• 20:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean.

• 20:19Cameron Hanes?

  But.

• 20:20Speaker 01

  Whatever. People will always be mad.

• 20:22Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 20:23Speaker 01

  Well, in other running news, Moab two forty is kind of concluding.

• 20:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  What the hell is Killian Korth eating?

• 20:30Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. He's on one though.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  He is insane.

• 20:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he's a stud.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:42Speaker 01

  I mean, I feel like I've seen his name everywhere this year.

• 20:44Cameron Hanes?

  Did he win all two hundreds?

• 20:46Speaker 01

  Well, that's what I was wondering if he won all the triple crown.

• 20:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, so Moab, I think he won Bigfoot.

• 20:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:53Cameron Hanes?

  And then Tahoe, did he win Tahoe?

• 20:55Speaker 01

  Uh, I don't know if he won Tahoe.

• 20:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, anyway.

• 20:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:58Cameron Hanes?

  I mean, but I know he just won Moab. Um, Goggins is in it. Eli's in it. Eli, you know, I saw Eli at, uh, uh, Cogadona.

• 21:08Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 21:08Cameron Hanes?

  And, uh, he's in it. He's doing good. Um, I think he just left me a message or a voice memo on Instagram. He's trying to wrap this up. He's trying to, wants to come and do the podcast. Like, hey, let's finish this fucking race first, Eli. But he's, he's getting close. He said he was four miles behind Goggins.

• 21:26Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 21:26Cameron Hanes?

  I think he wants to try to catch Goggins.

• 21:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I saw Goggins was at two twenty, the aid station for a little bit.

• 21:32Cameron Hanes?

  A while, yeah. I mean, he's racist.

• 21:34Speaker 01

  But he was in, I think he was in fifth for a while.

• 21:36Cameron Hanes?

  He was.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he was crushing at the beginning.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And it's just.

• 21:42Cameron Hanes?

  He's already done a 200 this year. It's, he's a beast though, but he's still, I bet he'll get top 20 for sure.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:52Cameron Hanes?

  And that's impressive.

• 21:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, the, the conditions looked brutal.

• 21:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 21:58Speaker 01

  I mean, that mud.

• 21:59Cameron Hanes?

  He told me mud again.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:00Cameron Hanes?

  Just like Coca-Cola.

• 22:01Speaker 01

  I know, it reminded me of that clip of you.

• 22:03Cameron Hanes?

  God, it looks terrible. Cause it's not like 240 miles isn't hard without mud. It's like, can we get a break here? Yeah.

• 22:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:12Cameron Hanes?

  It's nuts.

• 22:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:13Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah.

• 22:14Speaker 01

  Yeah. So Killian got, uh, that's the other thing is like, you just name your kid Killian and they're destined to be a badass.

• 22:21Cameron Hanes?

  I guess so. Yeah. Killian Tournay.

• 22:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:23Cameron Hanes?

  Killing Corrith and yeah, that's the only ones I know. So I guess so.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  Yeah. So he got the triple crown over Michael McKnight with like 156 hours. I think it was just shy of 20 hours better.

• 22:34Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 22:34Speaker 01

  And Michael McKnight's time. And then, uh, also Manuela Villa, Villa Seca.

• 22:40Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 22:40Speaker 01

  For the women.

• 22:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Yeah. That's okay. I saw that and I didn't, I just, I guess I just read, I didn't see who it was.

• 22:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:46Cameron Hanes?

  I didn't know if it was some guy from, cause I was like, I thought Killian had the total, but that was a women's. Okay.

• 22:50Speaker 01

  Yeah. So she also, and I think hers was by 29 hours.

• 22:53Cameron Hanes?

  Holy shit. Yeah. There's some freaks out there, dude.

• 22:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:57Cameron Hanes?

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• 23:41Cameron Hanes?

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• 23:59Cameron Hanes?

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• 24:41Cameron Hanes?

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• 25:21Cameron Hanes?

  wounding for hunters. And yeah, I mean, it's, it's probably one of the toughest things that can happen to wound and lose an animal. But there's different ways, there's two different ways to talk about that. I talk about wounds. There's fatal wounds and then there's non-fatal wounds and that's a big distinction. Right. So I want to talk about that. And then I also want to talk about just this ultra running scene. It's like so popular, but I want to, I just want to, I don't know if I'm trying to be like this grumpy old man, but I just want these people, these two hundreds, these multi-day things.

• 26:03Cameron Hanes?

  They're they're legit. I mean, they it's not. I think it takes a little bit of time to get ready, get your body ready to run those. And I know everybody sees it and they want to do it and they want to and it looks badass. I don't want anybody to fucking get hurt or die.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:23Cameron Hanes?

  Because this shit is, I mean, it is fucking, it can be dangerous.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:30Cameron Hanes?

  Out there. And it's like, I think about, because just like the, you know, the two young bow hunters, I know everybody right now wants to be, seems like the big ultra scene is popular, bow hunting is popular, but there's risk in bow hunting, in both of them. And it's just like, I, it, you know, I know those young, those guys in Colorado that we've, we talked about last time, you know, they want to kill a bull, they want to be the back country, they want to, you know, archery, elk hunters, it's, it's great, but man, there's risks.

• 27:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely. I mean, you know, obviously Rodney, he, he finished.

• 27:06Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 27:07Speaker 01

  But Mammoth, but man, he was saying like coughing up blood and stuff coming in, they almost pulled him. It's like.

• 27:13Cameron Hanes?

  I know. I got that. I was worried about him.

• 27:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 27:17Cameron Hanes?

  And it's like, you know, that's a high race. You get up in that high altitude setting, your body, if you're not used to it, or even if you are used to it, it's everything is more critical up there. You're, it's just how your body reacts to pushing that long, especially going through the multi-day. You know, we did Leadville, which that's just one night.

• 27:38Speaker 01

  Right.

• 27:39Cameron Hanes?

  Whatever. It's, you can make it through one night. It's, it's a completely different game when it's multi-night.

• 27:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it's kind of like, okay, if you are doing permanent damage or something even worse happens, it's like, for what? You know, it's like.

• 27:54Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 27:54Speaker 01

  Just because you, you needed to have that done now and not, you know, train and maybe wait a couple of years?

• 28:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, no, I mean, I don't, I don't like waiting for anything either. So I, I get that. I get that you want the big test. It's just like, when I started, there was no two hundreds.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  Right.

• 28:11Cameron Hanes?

  It was, you know, the hundred was a big thing. And it's like, we would joke around that, you know, you're not really an ultra runner until you run a hundred. And that was kind of even, kind of shitting on the 50 Ks and 50 miles. Those are still very hard races. So, but we were saying like that hundred is the holy grail. Well.

• 28:30Cameron Hanes?

  There wasn't 200. So it was a natural progression. I started, you know, the marathon, of course, and then the 50K, then the 50 mile, then the 100K, then the 100 mile. And it just took, that took years. And I think I did my first ultra in 2005, my first 100 in 2009. So it was four years. And I've been running for years before that. But it, to get your body ready for those, it just fucking takes time. Shit's hard. Really hard.

• 28:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, and they just keep getting longer.

• 29:01Cameron Hanes?

  God, I know.

• 29:01Speaker 01

  300.

• 29:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, well, there, there is no limit really now. Or people, there's a limit. People want to find it. So, yeah, I'm glad, I'm glad Rodney's okay. I was, I was worried because I knew that they had him held up there like a 207 or something. And, you know, he's a tough kid, but, but you, we can be a little too tough for own good sometimes.

• 29:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, like he said in, in his post, he said, at the, at the moment of writing it, he said, he feels it took more from him than it gave.

• 29:34Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 29:34Speaker 01

  You know, which is,

• 29:36Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 29:38Speaker 01

  That's brutal.

• 29:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I mean, I just, I, he's fine. So it's probably not trying to, I'm not trying to blow it out of proportion, but he's got, you know, young kids, married. It's just like, I don't want, I don't want anything crazy to happen, which can't happen when you push your body that hard for that long with no sleep at high elevation.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  Right.

• 29:58Cameron Hanes?

  It's just, it's a recipe. You just got to be smart about it.

• 30:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. And it's not like, I mean, even, you know, with Ludville, it's like you had a bad day. It's, it's not necessarily saying that you can't do it, but you have a bad day, mix all those things together.

• 30:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 30:11Speaker 01

  Could get worse.

• 30:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, so.

• 30:13Speaker 01

  Exactly. But, uh, yeah, and also, Andy Glaze.

• 30:18Cameron Hanes?

  I know.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  He's got to get this done.

• 30:20Cameron Hanes?

  Dang. Where is he at?

• 30:22Speaker 01

  I mean, he's a ways back.

• 30:23Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I know. I was looking Goggins last night, or I was at, at Truitt's house, and we're looking, and I forgot it was fucking Moab. So I'm like, oh, Goggins is getting pretty close to 200. Then I was like, then I saw Killian was like, get to Fifty twenty or so. I was like, holy shit. I forgot this is Moab.

• 30:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:45Cameron Hanes?

  Forty. So Goggins, he's got a whole nother day.

• 30:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 30:48Cameron Hanes?

  I thought he was getting close to two hundred. I'm like, oh, he's got it. No, a whole nother day.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  I know. Brutal.

• 30:53Cameron Hanes?

  God does. Cause it's, you know, if you're doing seventy miles a day, eighty, those are big days.

• 31:00Speaker 01

  The huge day. Yeah. Let's see where Andy's at.

• 31:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I mean, he's.

• 31:04Speaker 01

  One ninety-two.

• 31:06Cameron Hanes?

  Cause he's DNF'd this twice.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:08Cameron Hanes?

  So he's got, what, so he's got forty-two more mile, or no, forty-eight more miles?

• 31:14Speaker 01

  He's, what did I say? One ninety-seven? One ninety-two?

• 31:17Cameron Hanes?

  Two, yeah.

• 31:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. So he's got.

• 31:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 31:19Speaker 01

  Forty-eight.

• 31:20Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, God.

• 31:22Speaker 01

  That's rough.

• 31:23Cameron Hanes?

  That, that's a day, pretty much. That's a whole nother night till tomorrow.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  Ah, brutal. Yeah. Well, hopefully he makes it.

• 31:31Cameron Hanes?

  I know. I'm, I'm a fan of Andy Glaze. I'm a fan of anybody who's doing that shit.

• 31:37Speaker 01

  Yeah. Next, speaking of, we can say that for wounded, Elite Archery had a ad that was not wounding, but the ad was like so, in my eyes, distasteful. It was like this weird kinda hip hop music. And this guy shot these two does. And one of the shot, I mean, both shot, one of them was close to being really bad and the other one was like straight in the shoulder. And I'm like, just, why would you put that in an ad? And he like picks up his arrow between, he's like, time for round two. And I'm like,

• 32:08Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, my.

• 32:09Speaker 01

  What are we doing?

• 32:10Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I'm not saying everything I do is perfect, but I, I try to think about it.

• 32:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. I just don't, I, I can't see that being a good, just imagine somebody who hates hunting comes, comes across that. It's like,

• 32:24Cameron Hanes?

  That's terrible.

• 32:25Speaker 01

  Here's a field day.

• 32:26Cameron Hanes?

  That's the problem is anybody can see what we're doing at any time now. It used to be, we've talked about this before. It used to just be hunters talking to hunters. Now with social media, everybody sees everything.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  Right.

• 32:36Cameron Hanes?

  So, yeah, we gotta be real conscious about what we're putting out there.

• 32:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:42Speaker 01

  I did see some industry drama.

• 32:47Cameron Hanes?

  Really?

• 32:48Speaker 01

  With, uh.

• 32:51Speaker 01

  Should've written the guy's name down. It was with, uh, I'll bring it up. Cause I'm interested to see what you think about it.

• 32:58Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, no. I usually don't have an opinion on much. I'm usually pretty quiet.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. There we go.

• 33:07Cameron Hanes?

  But I like.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  So. Uh, Invader Concepts.

• 33:13Speaker 01

  And.

• 33:15Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know what that is. What is that?

• 33:17Speaker 01

  Oh, it's just, they make like, I think they're really known for like gun attachments behind holsters.

• 33:22Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 33:23Speaker 01

  But anyways, they, then this other guy, David Rodriguez, or some Mexican. In these mountains, the photographer.

• 33:32Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I know.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, so they're feuding back and forth.

• 33:35Cameron Hanes?

  Or is it Roger? Or Martinez?

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Martinez, yeah, yeah.

• 33:38Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, he takes some good photos.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, he does, and good videos, but, um. Anyways, yeah, if you don't know about it, then it doesn't matter, but they were just going, they were like pitting their followers against each other.

• 33:49Cameron Hanes?

  Were they?

• 33:51Speaker 01

  Like David was literally like, yeah, go to Invader Concepts, keep lighting them up, keep talking shit in their comments.

• 33:56Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, my God. Just stirring everything up, huh? Wow.

• 34:00Speaker 01

  I was like, this is crazy.

• 34:01Cameron Hanes?

  Why? What happened?

• 34:03Speaker 01

  Um, apparently they steal concepts and ideas. This is allegedly, so I don't know.

• 34:10Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 34:10Speaker 01

  But this is allegedly they steal concepts and ideas from other people or companies.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  David was saying that the guy who owns it is a piece of shit.

• 34:22Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 34:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, so.

• 34:23Cameron Hanes?

  So maybe, well. So they steal concepts? So they invade concepts?

• 34:29Speaker 01

  I mean, the name's right there, guys. What did you expect?

• 34:32Cameron Hanes?

  Spot on.

• 34:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:33Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. I didn't, yeah, I didn't see that. I don't know shit about it. I don't, I don't know. Uh, I think I've sent messages back and forth to David a couple of times, but it seems like, you know, he goes pretty hard.

• 34:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:44Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know anything about him, though.

• 34:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do, but.

• 34:49Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 34:51Speaker 01

  He's a Bozeman guy for a while.

• 34:52Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, really?

• 34:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:53Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 34:53Speaker 01

  But nice guy.

• 34:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, that's cool. Um, he's fine. But yeah, I mean, when you get over, I don't know who over who, but it's not fun.

• 35:02Speaker 01

  No, I mean.

• 35:03Cameron Hanes?

  So it does piss you off.

• 35:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:04Cameron Hanes?

  I get it.

• 35:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 35:05Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I don't know what the, I don't know anything about this situation.

• 35:09Speaker 01

  Oh, okay. Well, we'll avoid it. Um, okay. Have you watched the Ed Gein?

• 35:15Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, my God.

• 35:17Speaker 01

  Have you?

• 35:18Cameron Hanes?

  I think one episode.

• 35:21Speaker 01

  Funny that has, you'll get this. If you haven't, this doesn't make sense, but I didn't mean nothing by it, mother.

• 35:30Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, God.

• 35:31Speaker 01

  I love my mother.

• 35:33Cameron Hanes?

  I know. That, so the mom is pretty cool.

• 35:40Speaker 01

  Holy shit.

• 35:41Cameron Hanes?

  I know. Yes. It was like so disturbing. I mean, the, uh, the garter belt of fucking choking yourself and beating off.

• 35:55Cameron Hanes?

  And I had the fun fact that that actually happened, like, uh, Kill Bill, David Carradine, that's how he died. So I had the fun fact to share with the girls that, hey, this, this happened.

• 36:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So they, I think they found him in a closet.

• 36:11Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 36:14Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know.

• 36:15Speaker 01

  The jokes write themselves.

• 36:17Cameron Hanes?

  They do. Yeah. So it's, uh, but that was a weird scene for sure. Mom came in, kind of fucked up his little fantasy there. But yeah, mom was nuts. He seems pretty normal.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean.

• 36:38Cameron Hanes?

  The acting is fucking spot on, because I didn't know who that guy was.

• 36:41Speaker 01

  I didn't either.

• 36:42Cameron Hanes?

  And then the Charlie, whoever.

• 36:44Speaker 01

  Yeah. Anything else?

• 36:46Cameron Hanes?

  I think so, but he's kind of a stud.

• 36:48Speaker 01

  I, that's, I was like, damn.

• 36:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 36:50Speaker 01

  This is fully believable.

• 36:51Cameron Hanes?

  I know. He seemed like a fucking freak.

• 36:56Speaker 01

  Well, there were some things I didn't know about Hitchcock, Alfred Hitchcock, the director, because that's, oh, well, you get to that later in the show.

• 37:05Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 37:05Speaker 01

  Because Ed Gein inspired Psycho.

• 37:07Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, right, right.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:08Cameron Hanes?

  Okay, yes, because Psycho was kind of the same kid or guy with his mom.

• 37:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, and then, you know, like some weird, obviously, there's things that didn't happen, but it inspired it.

• 37:20Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know if I can watch the whole, because I, once everybody died, mom and brother, who's keeping tabs on this freak?

• 37:28Speaker 01

  It gets bad.

• 37:29Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, that's what I was afraid of. I'm like, because I'm like, I don't know. It's not going to go, it's not going to get any better. This isn't going to be like a feel-good, happy ending.

• 37:40Speaker 01

  No, it does not get better. I think I'm three or four episodes in, but.

• 37:44Cameron Hanes?

  I might have to go back to it.

• 37:47Speaker 01

  I don't know. But yeah, so Alfred Hitchcock, which in the one semester I went to film school, you learn about, well, turns out he's a total peeping Tom, and he's fucking nuts.

• 37:58Cameron Hanes?

  Alfred Hitchcock?

• 37:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. So I'm sure they don't teach about him anymore.

• 38:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, artists, artists are nuts. But speaking of film school, your film.

• 38:10Speaker 01

  Oh, Leadville?

• 38:11Cameron Hanes?

  Leadville. What do you think?

• 38:14Speaker 01

  I thought it was good. Yeah, I think, Truett, if you're listening, you should have waited at the finish line.

• 38:20Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know, we talked about that. We talked about that. But yeah, I thought, I thought you did a really good job with that film. Yeah, I thought it turned out great. I thought it was cool. People seem to be liking it.

• 38:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's good.

• 38:34Cameron Hanes?

  I think you did great.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, that, that little audio with the reel was, I thought that fit perfectly. Probably would have been really good with Kokadona, but you didn't find it.

• 38:44Cameron Hanes?

  Didn't find it in time. I know. I'm always looking for like, oh, here's my Arrowhead. I knew it was somewhere around here.

• 38:53Cameron Hanes?

  Anyway, I got a bunch more teeth. I gotta put in there. I wonder, yeah, I don't know. I wish I had all of them. That's a lot of ivories. Uh, yeah, no, it's, uh, we talked about that, but yeah, true. I thought it was really good too.

• 39:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. The, well, did you see that the footage from the interview in here with Tyler?

• 39:15Speaker 01

  What yours?

• 39:16Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, mine. That, that color is so good.

• 39:19Speaker 01

  I know. Yeah.

• 39:19Cameron Hanes?

  Is it that camera?

• 39:21Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, I mean, the, I obviously colored the whole thing, but it's probably the lens.

• 39:26Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, the lens. Okay. Cause there's a big camera too.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  So the camera is the same as mine, but they just built it out.

• 39:33Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, I see.

• 39:34Speaker 01

  To be a little bit bigger, but um, yeah, the lenses he shot that on are super nice.

• 39:38Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, gotcha. Yeah. Yeah. I thought, I thought it looked really good.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love that. Yeah. It's kind of shallow depth of field and yeah, but yeah, it turned out decent.

• 39:48Cameron Hanes?

  Good job. Yeah. Thanks. That was James G. Williams Gideon.

• 39:52Speaker 01

  Yeah. Remember the name for when I get fired next time.

• 39:57Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, you'll have to weigh in like I'll have, I'll put a poll up. Fire Gideon or not. So guys, remember this, you might, you might play a role in his future.

• 40:05Speaker 01

  Rihanna will make a hundred fake accounts to fire me.

• 40:08Cameron Hanes?

  Fire, fire, fire. Yeah. She's a tough one.

• 40:13Cameron Hanes?

  She's a tough cookie.

• 40:15Speaker 01

  All right. The other thing we got to talk about is the Ambler Road.

• 40:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know. God, what is, can we just?

• 40:22Speaker 01

  Why?

• 40:23Cameron Hanes?

  Can we just fucking just, okay. We don't have to rape and pillage the entire landscape for every mineral right or to extract everything we, do we? Can we just not do that? Can we just leave the public lands and the, and the hunting opportunities and like, kind of preserve wilderness and national forests? Can we maybe come up with a, timber management plan? Can we do something positive instead of just like, hey, let's fucking mine this?

• 40:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a great point. When was the last time there was something that was like, hey, we're going to do this and it's going to be positive?

• 40:58Cameron Hanes?

  I know. It's in, I cannot stand people are, oh, this is what you voted for. It's like, oh my God, shut the up, you fucking retards. I did not vote for this. All right. Yeah. I, I voted for this side because I really don't want every fucking kid thinking there's some other sex and getting mutilated. And that was a side of. That I didn't want. So I'm like, no, those people there. I see, you know, the Dylan Mulvaney, all this bullshit with this last administration. I'm like, no, we're, I'm not supporting that. So I supported the other side, but not this shit.

• 41:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:39Cameron Hanes?

  Not this, this land, you know, well, the land sale, the, the land extraction of everything. It's like, no. So quit fucking saying that.

• 41:48Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's still has to be, it's got to make it through the, what is it? House?

• 41:55Cameron Hanes?

  I don't even, I haven't, I've been gone.

• 41:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:57Cameron Hanes?

  So I've seen, I've shared a few things and, uh, you know, people are like, oh, you're being pretty quiet on this one. This is like, I know, I've been fucking hunting. Okay. I'm not just staring at my phone all the time, like getting amped up on political shit.

• 42:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:13Cameron Hanes?

  It's like, can you fucking handle it when I'm elk hunting? You guys got it?

• 42:16Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:17Cameron Hanes?

  So God.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  Daddy will be back.

• 42:20Cameron Hanes?

  No, I'm not saying that. Not saying that. But I'm just saying, no, I can't keep up on all this shit when, you know, I'm turning to elk hunting.

• 42:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, something else from my question. Someone said that you should film me hunting while I shake like a queer in a weiner.

• 42:42Cameron Hanes?

  That's actually pretty good.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  I know.

• 42:46Speaker 01

  Well, I thought that was funny.

• 42:49Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Uh, that reminds me of, oh, what people say, say, like, people always say that they had it harder, you know, than

• 43:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:00Cameron Hanes?

  this generation is like, until you're, until you're working for free at a ball crushing a 57 hour unpaid shift at the ball crushing factory, then you haven't even worked.

• 43:13Speaker 01

  Where did we first hear that?

• 43:14Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. It was funny though.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  That was hilarious.

• 43:16Cameron Hanes?

  It reminds me of that.

• 43:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:18Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 43:18Speaker 01

  Um.

• 43:19Cameron Hanes?

  Now, oh, this is our Q and A.

• 43:21Speaker 01

  Yeah. There, I'll, I'll be honest with you guys. Just so you know, a lot of these suck.

• 43:26Cameron Hanes?

  So. So what, what that tells me is you guys suck.

• 43:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. You can't just, I can't come up with all these great topics that you guys like to listen to.

• 43:36Cameron Hanes?

  Could you help out? Could you guys do anything?

• 43:40Speaker 01

  You guys.

• 43:42Cameron Hanes?

  Fuck your quivering wieners.

• 43:46Cameron Hanes?

  Or was it the wieners quivered or your quivering?

• 43:49Speaker 01

  Quivering like a queer in a wiener factory.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  Um, no.

• 43:55Cameron Hanes?

  No.

• 43:56Speaker 01

  Does Cam get a lot of weird fanboys AKA dick riders? Sounds like you.

• 44:00Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Get, what do you mean get a lot like bed down?

• 44:06Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. What do you mean get a lot?

• 44:10Cameron Hanes?

  No, I don't get any dick riders.

• 44:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So good question though. Is that a proposition?

• 44:21Speaker 01

  Uh, can you play pickleball and be a badass bow hunter? Or do I have to choose like?

• 44:26Cameron Hanes?

  Okay.

• 44:26Speaker 01

  These were really bad.

• 44:27Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 44:28Speaker 01

  That's all right, guys. Uh, you won't ever be asked again. So.

• 44:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So good luck.

• 44:33Speaker 01

  Yeah. We appreciate the effort.

• 44:36Cameron Hanes?

  Of coming up with questions?

• 44:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:37Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Um, yeah. Do we have anything else? Oh, how's my winnaugh film?

• 44:44Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 44:44Cameron Hanes?

  The greatest bow hunting film of all time.

• 44:46Speaker 01

  We need to do interviews.

• 44:48Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  We need the, um.

• 44:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  Need that reaction.

• 44:52Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Um, okay. And also we need to find out if it's legal to make a film.

• 44:57Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 45:00Cameron Hanes?

  But yeah, I, people are pretty amped. I know Wayne's amped up for it.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Is he?

• 45:04Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. He's asked me about it.

• 45:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I could, yeah. So if we could get Larry Jones. That would be sweet. Someone actually commented on, um.

• 45:15Speaker 01

  One of the YouTube videos said he goes hunting with Larry Jones. Every year. And it, you know, obviously we weren't talking about him. So for whatever reason, but maybe.

• 45:25Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. No, he, I mean, he's around here. I'm sure. We'll figure out how to get ahold of him. Hopefully he'll do an interview, but yeah.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  Messenger pigeon.

• 45:34Cameron Hanes?

  Easy for you to say.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  Message you pigeon.

• 45:38Cameron Hanes?

  I thought you were trying to talk like Ed Geyen.

• 45:43Speaker 01

  I'm sorry, mother.

• 45:47Cameron Hanes?

  God, he fucking drilled his brother too in the back of the head.

• 45:51Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 45:52Cameron Hanes?

  Gotcha.

• 45:55Cameron Hanes?

  It's a funny joke. Got you. Oh, got you mean, oh, maybe that's what they mean. Do you get, do you get many dick riders?

• 46:04Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 46:05Cameron Hanes?

  Was that what I'm supposed to do? Gotcha.

• 46:08Speaker 01

  Gotcha.

• 46:09Cameron Hanes?

  Killed ya.

• 46:11Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I know. And then was it the next day he was still out there?

• 46:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, cold and stiff.

• 46:18Cameron Hanes?

  And then what's a mom doing? Because when there's fires going on outside and Ed's out there running around, sprinting around, do you think the mom would be like, what the is going on out there?

• 46:29Speaker 01

  Also, then, I mean, obviously, what's crazy is back then they found him like his body was super stiff. How long had he been dead, had been dead? And Ed's like, I don't know.

• 46:39Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  Just a couple hours, I guess.

• 46:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, they did see the big like wound on his head. Oh, he died from smoke inhalation. Well, what's this big thing?

• 46:49Speaker 01

  He slipped and fell.

• 46:50Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, what's this big, you know, like, what is that called?

• 46:56Cameron Hanes?

  What's like a bad injury called?

• 46:59Cameron Hanes?

  What's this big trauma on his, why is his brain poking out of this?

• 47:02Speaker 01

  Hemorrhage.

• 47:02Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it's like, did anybody notice that?

• 47:05Speaker 01

  Did you make it to the part where he digs up the other lady?

• 47:08Cameron Hanes?

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• 47:53Cameron Hanes?

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• 48:35Cameron Hanes?

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• 49:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think like wears her face, her skin.

• 49:04Cameron Hanes?

  What?

• 49:04Speaker 01

  Her face skin and her hair.

• 49:08Cameron Hanes?

  Is that legal?

• 49:10Speaker 01

  I don't think so.

• 49:12Cameron Hanes?

  Let me check.

• 49:13Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 49:14Cameron Hanes?

  I had to go to jury duty.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  What?

• 49:17Cameron Hanes?

  Yes, jury duty. And I'm like getting ready to go on this hunt. And so I tell the judge, I'm like, there's no way I'm going to get picked. There's no way. So I go in there. Yeah. And it's, yeah, not, not good. It's not the case you want to be, right?

• 49:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, not the cool one.

• 49:38Cameron Hanes?

  Not the cool case.

• 49:39Speaker 01

  The Scranton Strangler.

• 49:40Cameron Hanes?

  No, nothing, nothing like that. So I'm in the jury box, the number seven seed or whatever the hell it was. And so I tell the judge, I'm like, hey, I'm supposed to fly on the morning for a hunt. And so he's like, well, if it's work, you're, you know,

• 50:00Cameron Hanes?

  Most workplaces excuse you for jury duty. Right. And I said, well, I'm self-employed. He's like, well, so how's, but you said you're going hunting. I said, yeah, I'm going to go hunting. I said, but it's, that's what I do. He's like, you hunt for a job? I'm like, yeah. He's like, denied. I'm like, cool. So the trial is going to be three days. Yeah. And then we're in there and it come to find out it's, you know, this guy talking about, so the guy who got arrested was in there asking questions of the jurors. And so he's, he's asked, asking, does there have to be a victim for there to be a crime?

• 50:44Cameron Hanes?

  Cause obviously there's undercover saying they were underage. He's trying to do whatever. And so he's saying there's no victim. This time. Yeah. And I'm like, well, yet you had, you had to find one. You're trying. Yeah. Trying to find one, right? And so I said, I said, okay, well, just so you know, I'm very biased on this. I'm like, and I said this, I said, I'll give you an example. I said, I saw a clip where a mother, her daughter got raped and murdered by this guy. He got convicted. She was in the courtroom right when they're taking him out after he's convicted.

• 51:29Cameron Hanes?

  She pulls up, shoots him. I said, I like that.

• 51:36Cameron Hanes?

  I thought that's going to be, I'll get out of here. No, he said, well, then the attorney said, well, if the, if the judge asks you to be, you know, fair and impartial and, you know, know that this is a whatever case, but it's uncomfortable. It's terrible, but could you, you know, still be reasonable? And I said, I'm human. I mean, maybe I could try, but I don't think so. And I said, just hearing, you know, what this guy's saying about how there's no victim and they lied to him and this and that. I said, I don't think you can be tricked into being a child molester.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  No.

• 52:20Cameron Hanes?

  And so right when the they do all this questioning, then they pick who they want out of the jury. Like they write down, like, get this guy out. Very first, they came and got the name, took it up to the judge. Judge is like juror two or six, you're free to go. That was me. So I'm like, I'm out of here. Thank God, I didn't want to have to listen to all that shit or look at the text or look at photos. I mean, yeah, I did not want to be in that trial.

• 52:50Speaker 01

  No, no, that that kind of reminds me is like something that's, well,

• 52:57Speaker 01

  interesting take that's happening is using AI to generate, you know, child abuse images or whatever. And people saying whether or not that's punishable, you know, it's like, obviously there's not a real kid involved, but you got a sick bastard.

• 53:14Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, somebody wants to see it.

• 53:15Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, like some pedophile.

• 53:17Cameron Hanes?

  Creating.

• 53:18Speaker 01

  Creating it on AI.

• 53:19Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, making a market for it, basically.

• 53:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 53:21Cameron Hanes?

  So it's not real, but it's still, these freaks are still getting off.

• 53:25Speaker 01

  And the other thing I kind of look at it as is like, okay, but what happens when one day he wants the real thing?

• 53:31Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 53:32Speaker 01

  You know, and, and then if it's AI, AI is getting so good. It's like, what about the real ones that are kind of thrown in in between? You know, then you can't.

• 53:39Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, God, it's so messed up, too. So I just, well, and another thing that I didn't like too, but they asked, so there's probably like 50 people in there that they're choosing the jury from. They said, you know, different people like would say, hey, I have experience with this. I was what molested when I was 13 or my daughter was this, it was like way too many people in there had these examples. I'm like, what the, I don't give, I don't care if you got to lie to everybody to get guys who are doing that in jail.

• 54:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:11Cameron Hanes?

  I don't care if, yeah, pretend you're some underage, whatever. Get these guys off the street.

• 54:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:18Cameron Hanes?

  Because something, it's happened, it's like, I couldn't believe all the people who've been like, kind of subjected to that or had to endure that in their life. And then you look like the stats and it's like crazy. One in six or one in four women have been sexually assaulted or, and I'm like, God, what the is going on?

• 54:38Speaker 01

  I was assaulted when I was 12 by my.

• 54:42Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, no.

• 54:43Speaker 01

  By my moms.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  My mom's boyfriend's daughter.

• 54:53Speaker 01

  I completely forgot about this until, I don't know, about a month and a half.

• 54:56Cameron Hanes?

  Were you guys the same age?

• 54:57Speaker 01

  No.

• 54:58Cameron Hanes?

  Oh.

• 54:58Speaker 01

  She was like sixteen and I was like ten or eleven.

• 55:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 55:03Speaker 01

  Which you think as a ten or eleven year old boy, you'd be stoked, but she was so ugly.

• 55:08Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 55:08Speaker 01

  And she made me grab her boob under her shirt and make out with her.

• 55:13Speaker 01

  And I didn't like it.

• 55:18Cameron Hanes?

  Well.

• 55:23Cameron Hanes?

  Well. That's terrible.

• 55:26Speaker 01

  I couldn't be on that.

• 55:29Cameron Hanes?

  No, cuz they didn't care. They're like, well, can you still, you think you can still be whatever? They're like, we'll try. Like, I couldn't. If I hadn't been living with that shit, I'd see somebody like that and I'd be like, no, that guy.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:44Cameron Hanes?

  Cuz I was thinking that already.

• 55:46Speaker 01

  I don't understand how people can be lenient about it. I don't know. I guess in the event that he's innocent, but it sounds like that guy was.

• 55:54Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, there were just like, there's people making excuses like, whoa, is that entrapment? I'm like, I don't give a. I don't care. I don't care what it is. I don't care what it is. Yeah, like I said, you can't be tricked into being a child molester.

• 56:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:08Cameron Hanes?

  It's like, that's not how it works.

• 56:11Speaker 01

  He knew what he was doing.

• 56:12Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  But, well, that's a fun topic to.

• 56:15Cameron Hanes?

  God, it's, yeah. So anyway, I got kicked out of there, got to go on my hunt, but.

• 56:20Speaker 01

  Nice. Well.

• 56:22Cameron Hanes?

  Sounds a win.

• 56:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:25Cameron Hanes?

  Don't really know what happened, but I did, somebody was in there that knew me and they sent me a message. It says, I guess the judge wasn't a fan of bow hunting cuz he was gonna not let me go. But, uh, yeah, I just, I don't, I can't imagine like being in courtrooms and just dealing with that shit every day.

• 56:44Speaker 01

  Be depressing.

• 56:45Cameron Hanes?

  Be fucking terrible.

• 56:47Speaker 01

  Well, that's like therapists. They're more up than their clients.

• 56:50Cameron Hanes?

  I I just anytime I go down there, maybe it's because I got so many tickets when I was like like young driving. I think I'm just scarred from.

• 57:02Speaker 01

  PTSD.

• 57:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, and I took Taylor got, he got a, what did he do? Oh, he didn't stop at a stop sign. So I was like, he was like 16. So I said, I'll go to court with you. So I go into court with him and the judge is saying whatever. And it's like, he didn't come to a complete stop. And I, and I said, oh, he thought he was in California. Like California stop. That wasn't the right thing to say. You're not such a joke in there, I guess. So that didn't work out good, but that was my, I was Taylor's legal guardian at court and making jokes.

• 57:40Speaker 01

  That's a great look.

• 57:41Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, it is.

• 57:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's like those public, public comment, like city council meetings and the people get up and do stand up routines.

• 57:53Cameron Hanes?

  Well, or they just stand up and talk. I mean, I like, have you ever talked to a gen pop person?

• 58:02Speaker 01

  Gen pop?

• 58:03Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah.

• 58:04Speaker 01

  Is that new?

• 58:05Cameron Hanes?

  Prison talk, general population. But I just say it outside of prison, gen pop. So it's just like a regular person, like a regular person on the street. You go up and talk to them and you're like, it's the same, you're human?

• 58:21Speaker 01

  We were just talking about the other day is like, there's no way that person has hopes and dreams.

• 58:28Cameron Hanes?

  So that's gen pop.

• 58:33Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, just seeing like, so courtroom full of gen pop. There was some normal people like the guy who knew me, obviously, but yeah, I just, man. What a melting pot.

• 58:47Speaker 01

  Real amalgamation.

• 58:50Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know. Can we even have, are you supposed to even talk about court?

• 58:54Speaker 01

  I was just wondering if you're allowed to.

• 58:57Cameron Hanes?

  I don't know.

• 58:58Speaker 01

  You didn't say names.

• 59:00Cameron Hanes?

  No, but.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  You also weren't on the jury, so.

• 59:04Cameron Hanes?

  I don't, I don't know anything.

• 59:06Speaker 01

  If you're on the jury, you can't talk about it.

• 59:09Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. Well, see, that's good that they kicked me out.

• 59:12Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:12Cameron Hanes?

  This is what I would have done. I would have talked about every day and.

• 59:15Speaker 01

  Every detail.

• 59:16Cameron Hanes?

  Our deliberations every day on the podcast. But, uh, no, so that was just a little, little fun, fun time.

• 59:24Speaker 01

  Fun bunch.

• 59:29Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah. And, oh man, I got some more drama, but probably shouldn't say that on here, but I want to. But, uh, anyway, so let's stay tuned for the wounding podcast. Don't really know what I'm, how we can talk about that. And then was there another podcast I was gonna do?

• 59:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, you said two.

• 59:46Cameron Hanes?

  I know. What was the other one? Oh, yeah. The ultra running, like.

• 59:50Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 59:50Cameron Hanes?

  Let's, let's, let's, uh, have a plan for going into these.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 59:55Cameron Hanes?

  Not just signing up for Arizona monster for your first thing over a 5K.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's what I'm gonna do.

• 1:00:04Speaker 01

  That's like me.

• 1:00:05Cameron Hanes?

  Yeah, I got third in my age group in the Turkey Trot 5K on Thanksgiving. I think I'll do the Arizona monster 300. Should be good.

• 1:00:16Speaker 01

  How much harder could it be? Yeah.

• 1:00:20Cameron Hanes?

  All right. Well, good luck with this one, Macy.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:22Cameron Hanes?

  Did you have anything else?

• 1:00:23Speaker 01

  Nope. I was just adding the ultra, their podcast.

• 1:00:26Cameron Hanes?

  Oh, yeah. All right. Keep Krammerin'.