MFM Presents… Two-Faced: John of God

My Favorite Murder presents the premiere episode of our newest limited series podcast, Two-Faced: John of God, hosted by Martina Castro and produced by Exactly Right Media and Adonde Media. For decades, people from around the world traveled to Brazil to see a spiritual healer known as John of God — believing he could perform miraculous medical procedures without anesthesia. In Episode One, “The Last Hope,” we meet the people drawn to his promise. While true believers claim to be spiritually cured, others describe a secret living nightmare. The series is available in both English and Spanish. The Spanish-language feed is titled Dos Caras: Juan de Dios. Episode Three is out now in both feeds. Listen to Two-Faced: John of God on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Don’t forget to like, subscribe, and review — it helps new shows find their audience. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 1:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Hello. Big news, everybody. Exactly Right's newest podcast, Two-Faced: John of God, is out now.

• 1:19Karen Kilgariff?

  This is our newest limited series about a Brazilian spiritual healer who claimed he had the power to perform miraculous medical procedures and the dark truth behind that mission.

• 1:29Georgia Hardstark?

  And this is our first limited series presented in both English and Spanish.

• 1:32Karen Kilgariff?

  Hosted by journalist and Adonde Media founder Martina Castro, the series looks at how belief, power, and silence allowed one man to control his followers for decades.

• 1:42Georgia Hardstark?

  You're about to hear episode one, entitled "The Last Hope."

• 1:45Karen Kilgariff?

  And, once you're hooked on the show, episodes two and three are waiting for you over on the John of God feeds, again, available in both English and Spanish.

• 1:53Georgia Hardstark?

  New episodes of Two-Faced: John of God drop every Wednesday on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

• 2:00Karen Kilgariff?

  And don't forget to like, subscribe, and leave a review, because it really helps new shows find their audience.

• 2:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Now, please enjoy episode one of Exactly Right's newest podcast, Two-Faced: John of God. Goodbye.

• 2:12Karen Kilgariff?

  Please note that in this episode, there will be a graphic description of an invasive procedure. Listen at your own discretion.

• 2:23Speaker 04

  Pai Nosso que estais nos elos, santificai os seus nossos nomes.

• 2:28Speaker 05

  Um grande grupo de pessoas está rezando em português. Todos estão vestidos de cor preta e parecem estar na sala principal de um clube social ou de um centro comunitário. Mas isso não é uma reunião espiritual normal. Um procedimento médico invasivo está a acontecer.

• 2:51Speaker 05

  Este vídeo feito em casa está focado em um homem que está de pé em uma pequena escala. Ele também está vestido de cor preta, com pessoas se escondendo ao seu redor. Ele está nos últimos 60 anos, com cabelo branco fininho e um vestido de roupa de roupa. Há um ponto em que você pode ver seu comportamento mudar. Seus olhos verdes crescem largamente e seus movimentos ficam mais lents.

• 3:17Speaker 05

  Ele não é mais ele mesmo.

• 3:22Speaker 05

  Ele diz ao público que agora está canalizando o espírito de um médico bem conhecido que morreu nos anos 40. O homem, que eu chamo de médico, em um certo ponto, se vira para as três pessoas atrás dele na escala. Eles estão levando traves de metal e parecem ser suas assistentes. Ao seu lado, há este homem que se destaca. Ele está de pé estreito como um pano, ao contrário da parede de trás, com os olhos fechados com tinta, como se estivesse se abrindo para algo.

• 3:57Speaker 05

  O médico se acerca a um dos traves com a mão livre e pega uma longa pausa de escudo de cirurgia. Ele as usa para pegar um pedaço de gauza e derramá-la no água. Ele então vai para o paciente, o homem que está de pé contra a parede com os olhos fechados.

• 4:15Speaker 05

  O que acontece depois é tão estranho como perturbador.

• 4:21Speaker 05

  The doctor tells his patient to open his eyes and tilts his head back with his hand. He then shoves the scissors all the way up his patient's nose and starts twisting them like he's unscrewing the top off a bottle. Twisting, twisting, twisting, sliding the scissors deeper as he continues to twist. All this time, the patient is grimacing, mouth wide open, but he's not making a sound. Then, all of a sudden, the doctor pulls the scissors out of the patient's nose, letting out a tiny stream of blood. The patient is placed in a metal wheelchair, and as he's whisked away, you see a smile spread across his face.

• 5:11Speaker 05

  The video you just heard is from 2009, but there are countless more online, recorded over the span of decades. They feature similar procedures, all performed by the same man: the renowned spiritual healer Joao de Deus, John of God.

• 5:32Speaker 06

  A man who claims to work miracles and heal the sick. He says he's a faith healer, and people from all over the world flock to see him.

• 5:40Speaker 07

  He had healed the wives of ministers, presidents, and politicians, and owners of big companies, and they were...

• 5:48Speaker 05

  Even Oprah has gone to see him. Over the past four decades, John of God says he's treated millions of people. John of God claims to be a medium, capable of channeling spirits with tremendous powers, powers that can heal cancer and help people walk again. The treatment he offers can be invasive, like putting scissors up a patient's nose or scraping their eye with a knife. But more often, the spirits have him conduct invisible surgeries, which he can do on many people at the same time, without ever touching them.

• 6:26Speaker 05

  This might sound crazy or very fringe, but I can assure you, it is not. Celebrities, Supreme Court judges, lawyers and doctors, thousands of people have traveled to see John of God at his "spiritual hospital" in southeast Brazil. And not just from other parts of the country, but from as far as Germany, Australia and the United States.

• 6:53Speaker 08

  Desperate, that's what I was, weighing freaking 80 pounds with a child to raise. No doctor figuring out what was wrong with me.

• 7:03Speaker 09

  Nobody told me they were going to cure my father. No doctor, neurologist, neurosurgeon, no one said they could cure him.

• 7:14Speaker 10

  We went to the hospital. We went to multiple doctors. They couldn't figure out what was actually the problem.

• 7:20Speaker 08

  I went there. You're playing with your belief because you really want to live. All you have is faith.

• 7:30Speaker 05

  Faith.

• 7:33Speaker 05

  My name is Martina Castro. I've been an audio journalist for 20 years. And while reporting this story, I've meditated a lot on that word, faith, and on its power. I'd say I'm a spiritual person. I'm both skeptical of anything that sounds too good to be true and I like to leave room for the unexplainable. If I were desperate to heal myself or someone I love, I can absolutely imagine myself getting on an airplane to the middle of nowhere to find a miracle cure. But what this story has gotten me to wonder is not about what gets us to have faith in a given thing or a given person,

• 8:17Speaker 05

  but how long are we willing to hold and keep that faith, even when we can feel something is not right?

• 8:28Speaker 10

  I simply thought that Juan's work was spiritual when I first went there. I had no idea that there was a secret behind all of this.

• 8:37Speaker 05

  Over the course of this series, you'll learn how John of God became a celebrated healer at the center of an international movement, all while, behind the scenes, dark secrets started to come out.

• 8:53Speaker 05

  Intimidation.

• 8:54Speaker 11

  Ele sempre falava. He would always say. Vocês acham que eles vão... Do you think they'll believe me? Ou em você? Ou em você?

• 9:01Speaker 05

  Fraud, sexual abuse, and mysterious deaths.

• 9:06Speaker 09

  It's very difficult and it's very also lonely. One small person against God.

• 9:14Speaker 05

  From Exactly Right Media and Adon de Media, this is Two-Faced: John of God.

• 9:24Speaker 05

  Episode 1: The Last Hope.

• 9:28Speaker 08

  Olá!

• 9:29Speaker 12

  Tudo bem?

• 9:29Speaker 08

  Olá, tudo bem, obrigada. Eu não falo...

• 9:33Speaker 12

  Eu te agradeço.

• 9:34Speaker 08

  Muito bem.

• 9:35Speaker 05

  This is me speaking broken Portuguese with a woman named Ana Paula. Despite our language barrier and spotty Zoom connection, Ana Paula immediately came across as vivacious, warm, and confident. She asked we only use her first name to protect her family. Ana Paula ended up seeing John of God out of desperation, but not for herself, for her father. Around 2006, Ana Paula's father was diagnosed with late-stage brain cancer. After many surgeries, doctors said there was nothing else they could do for him. He was in a wheelchair, in a lot of pain. He couldn't even swallow.

• 10:17Speaker 05

  So Ana Paula turned to their faith as a last hope.

• 10:21Speaker 12

  Eu sempre fui espiritita.

• 10:23Speaker 09

  I've always been a spiritist, my entire life. I was born in a spiritist home.

• 10:28Speaker 12

  Eu cresci com parentes.

• 10:30Speaker 09

  And I grew up with relatives performing spiritual surgeries, healing.

• 10:34Speaker 12

  Cirurgias espirituais.

• 10:37Speaker 05

  According to Ana Paula's beliefs, spirits are non-physical beings that can interact with us. It just so happens that Brazil is said to have the largest concentration of spiritists in the world. And it was this spiritual community that first introduced Ana Paula to John of God.

• 10:52Speaker 12

  As pessoas falavam muito pouco a respeito.

• 10:55Speaker 09

  People said very little about John of God, but always with a lot of, um, a lot of respect and the certainty of a cure or some spiritual healing.

• 11:06Speaker 12

  Então eu lembro que existiam...

• 11:08Speaker 09

  So I remember he had written some books, and I bought them for my father.

• 11:13Speaker 05

  In one of those books, Ana Paula's father read about a man who John of God cured. A man who had brain cancer.

• 11:21Speaker 12

  Meu pai quando leu aquilo, ele falou: "Eu quero ser..."

• 11:23Speaker 05

  When my father read that, he said, "I want to be John of God's next miracle."

• 11:28Speaker 12

  Meu pai tinha acabado de ser avô.

• 11:31Speaker 05

  My father had just become a grandfather, and he wanted to see his grandson grow up.

• 11:36Speaker 12

  E fomos a Abadiânia.

• 11:37Speaker 05

  And so, we went to Abadiânia. Abadiânia, that's the small rural town in the middle of Brazil, where John of God founded what he calls "his spiritual hospital."

• 11:50Speaker 05

  Abadiânia has about 17,000 residents, and it's an hour and a half drive from the country's capital, Brasília. Many describe it as a town you drive through to get somewhere else. A major highway cuts it in half, with most of the residents and local businesses on one side, and the spiritual hospital, or "the Casa," on the other. "The Casa" is short for Casa de Dominácio de Loyola, or "House of Saint Ignácio de Loyola."

• 12:20Speaker 05

  Ana Paula's inability to heal her father through traditional medicine is what led her to this place, along with thousands of others.

• 12:30Speaker 10

  People in desperate situations. They were dying, and they had irrevocably fatal diseases.

• 12:37Speaker 05

  Then there were people like Michael Baylot. He first visited the Casa from the US because his girlfriend at the time was very sick. Doctors were not able to help her, so they traveled to Brazil to see healers that Michael had read about. And they ended up at the Casa. That's when Michael felt like he witnessed something really incredible happening there. He met people who said John of God cured their cancer. After treatment, some people were able to walk again, after years of being in wheelchairs. Some people said their tumors disappeared.

• 13:09Speaker 10

  This is real. This guy's actually doing surgery, and it's a miracle. I never believed that miracles were real until that point.

• 13:17Speaker 05

  So, Michael decides to stay and live in Abadiânia.

• 13:21Speaker 10

  When I arrived there, I'd been going through about a five-year period in my life where I was having a big spiritual awakening. So, my frame of mind when I arrived there was very positive and very open, and I was very altruistic also, so... The situation looked like, my God, this is, there's nobody else in the world that's ever done this and I want to be a part of it. I want to help people. Look at all the people. He's helped millions of people and he did it for free. So it made, it just sounded really enticing.

• 13:56Speaker 05

  Soon after moving to Abadiánia, Michael became a tour guide to help other people from the US travel there.

• 14:02Speaker 10

  Many people that went there and said, I have stage four cancer and I'm metastasizing. I'm in agony every day. Help me. I had several clients like that.

• 14:13Speaker 05

  But then there was this other group of people.

• 14:15Speaker 10

  About a third of the people that came or a quarter of them, they were just spiritual tourists. They'd heard about this guy and they wanted to have an experience. So a lot of people would go there and just say, can you help me on my spiritual path?

• 14:30Speaker 05

  So in this middle of nowhere town, in the middle of Brazil, you have these various groups of people coming together. People who are really sick and desperate for a cure, volunteers and spiritual tourists who wanted to be part of this experience, and tour guides like Michael, who were helping both of those groups travel to Abadiánia and navigate the culture, the language and the town. They came together around John of God's mission to bring spiritual healing to thousands of people from around the world.

• 15:02Speaker 10

  I felt I was part of some, a very big, a big miraculous event that was going to change the world.

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• 16:56Speaker 05

  The experience at the casa takes place three days a week. It begins when you set foot in the town. Ana Paula says from the moment you get there, it's impossible not to get drawn in.

• 17:09Speaker 09

  The vibe there was just a wonderful vibe. I used to say that it was a little piece of heaven on earth.

• 17:19Speaker 05

  First of all, imagine that around 7:00 a.m. you start to see tour buses arrive and hundreds of people start to fill the streets, all walking toward the casa.

• 17:31Speaker 14

  Everyone there was wearing white. So, white pants, white shirts, white dresses, the whole town.

• 17:39Speaker 05

  That's Tim Elliott, a journalist from Australia who went to Abadiana in 2004. He says in addition to wearing white, you'd see some people walking barefoot. These things were encouraged by John of God so that you could free up your energy to the spirits and also absorb their healing more easily.

• 17:56Speaker 14

  And people are blissed out. Yeah, like they're pretty stoked to be there. They're pretty happy to be walking around in his presence, you know, and about to see him.

• 18:06Speaker 05

  Tim admits he went to Abadiana feeling very skeptical about John of God.

• 18:11Speaker 14

  So, I thought it's going to be rubbish, right? But then when you get there and you have literally thousands of people in white milling around and everyone tells you how they've been saved by this person. After a while, I was like, well, can all these people be wrong? Like, is it possible?

• 18:30Speaker 14

  Like, maybe, maybe they're right. Maybe they have been saved. And they're all like, "I'll show you my medical papers. I'll show you my x-rays." All that sort of stuff.

• 18:41Speaker 05

  The first person Tim met at the Casa was actually one of those people who claimed to have been cured. She was also from Australia.

• 18:50Speaker 14

  And she had gone there because she had, I think she said she had

• 18:55Speaker 14

  some degenerative disease in her back. And so she was finding it really hard to walk. And she swore to me that she, you know, she was made better and that she could throw her cane away. And she basically regarded it as a miracle, what had happened as a miracle. And said to me, "Oh, he is pure love, you know. He, he, that's what he is. The power he radiates is like something from outer space. It's unbelievable."

• 19:23Speaker 15

  Ele representava um pilar. He represented a pillar of a labor of love by hundreds of thousands of people.

• 19:30Speaker 16

  Centenas de milhares de pessoas.

• 19:33Speaker 05

  Marcelo Stoduto first arrived at the Casa back in 1998, much like the woman Tim just described, to seek treatment for an illness. In Marcelo's case, it was to treat his scoliosis. But Marcelo had another reason he wanted to meet Joao, John of God. He was very interested in honing his own spiritual gifts. Marcelo ended up staying at the Casa to work side by side with Joao as a medium himself and ended up being part of his community for almost two decades.

• 20:02Speaker 16

  E aí havia uma sistemática de as pessoas chegarem.

• 20:06Speaker 05

  He says the routine at the Casa on visiting days was pretty much the same over the years. People would congregate in a big central hall that resembles an open-air church, where each person is given a number. Depending on whether you're a first-timer, coming for a follow-up visit, or requesting a physical surgery, like the scissors up the nose, you're called to a different line. The day starts with some announcements. Then everyone recites a series of Christian prayers, sometimes in three or four different languages. Marcelo says, once people are told to line up, there are three main rooms where the treatment takes place.

• 20:44Speaker 15

  So the first room was the large center room. That was where we detoxify the pain and denser energies that everyone brought to that space.

• 20:56Speaker 05

  In this first room, everyone sits and prays, or meditates. Mediums are also sitting in this room meditating, mixed in with people who are waiting to see John of God. The goal is to clean everyone's energies, so that by the time people see João, it will be easier for him to diagnose and treat them.

• 21:17Speaker 15

  So it was as if we were going to compare it with a car. The idea was like a car wash. The person goes through the first room and receives a heavier cleaning.

• 21:36Speaker 05

  The music and noises you hear in the background are from a homemade video that was filmed in the second room at the casa. This is where you actually line up to see John of God. Tim Elliott, the journalist, stood in that line.

• 21:51Speaker 14

  There's a massive queue, like I'm talking a huge queue, that sort of snakes around the whole compound, leads into this private room that he has, he sometimes occupies. And you walk along, you shuffle along. He sits at the head of this room, surrounded by crystals and followers who sort of usher people toward him as you're walking there.

• 22:17Speaker 05

  All the while, hundreds of people are sitting on either side of you, meditating.

• 22:22Speaker 14

  And they're meant to be sort of harnessing this huge spiritual energy that, that it's kind of like spiritual base load power that, you know, João can then tap into to perform these incredible, you know, these miraculous deeds that he pulls off. So you walk through this room and you can feel, you can feel, you know, if you have hundreds of people meditating in one room, there is an energy that comes out of that, and there's no doubt about that. So by the time you meet him, you're susceptible and primed for something to believe that someone has power, right?

• 22:56Speaker 12

  As vezes eu andava naquela...

• 22:58Speaker 09

  Sometimes I would walk in that chain of prayers, on that line, and it seemed like I was just in the sea.

• 23:04Speaker 12

  Calma as ondas assim no mar.

• 23:06Speaker 09

  Do you know when you're walking through calm waves in the sea?

• 23:09Speaker 12

  Era uma coisa muito boa!

• 23:11Speaker 09

  I felt like I was walking in the middle of the waves. It was a very good thing, it was a very good feeling, it was peace.

• 23:18Speaker 12

  Aromas deliciosas.

• 23:20Speaker 09

  Delicious aromas, fresh air, very pleasant music and meditation music, like calm religious music. So it was like, it really was a little piece of heaven.

• 23:32Speaker 12

  Realmente um pedacinho do céu.

• 23:36Speaker 05

  And all of this is happening before you've even talked to John of God. It's designed to be this way. Because according to John of God and other spiritist leaders, your illness is essentially a manifestation of problems with your energy. So, as a medium, Marcelo says he doesn't treat the illness, he treats what causes the illness.

• 23:59Speaker 15

  Because in a healing work, when it's in fact a spiritual healing work, the idea is not to make people get cured of all their physical ills. The idea is to make people come out profoundly more aware of themselves, more spiritualized and transformed in their way of being, feeling, and acting with each other. And this activates the mechanisms of the person's immune, physical, and spiritual system to see the healing process and perhaps eliminate physical illness.

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  It can take hours to get through the line that Tim and Ana Paula and all the first-time visitors have to stand in before they get their moment with John of God. But Tim says you can see him while you're waiting.

• 26:57Speaker 14

  He didn't say a lot. He was a big guy, physically a big guy. So he had a presence.

• 27:03Speaker 05

  Finally, Tim got to the front of the line, and it was his turn to meet Joao for the first time.

• 27:10Speaker 14

  So I got to the head of the room, and I think I took his hand briefly, and he, his eyes rolled back into his head and his hand fluttered.

• 27:23Speaker 05

  So at this point, John of God is channeling a spirit, or entity, as they're also called. As a medium, his gift is to be able to embody these spirits that diagnose and treat people through him. So technically, in that moment, he isn't himself. He is the entity.

• 27:44Speaker 14

  And then you're ushered on your way. And right, literally, you meet him for, it would have been, I don't know, 10 seconds, max.

• 27:54Speaker 05

  So in those 10 to 30 seconds, he might send you to meditate, or to take a bath in a waterfall they had on the property. He might send you to the third room. That's where John of God conducts invisible surgeries on a large group of people at the same time, without ever touching them. If you wanted a physical surgery, you had to request one when you arrived, and they happened in the middle of the day. But more commonly, John of God would scribble down a prescription for you on a piece of paper, telling you how many bottles of blessed water or passion flower herbs to buy at a shop on the property. All the pills were the same, but they were said to be blessed by the spirits to treat your specific problem.

• 28:39Speaker 05

  And that's how it goes, person after person. But when Ana Paula meets John of God for the first time, it goes a little differently.

• 28:51Speaker 09

  I would pass by the entity, and the medium would give me crystals, give me candles, give me presents and roses.

• 28:59Speaker 05

  Again, when Ana Paula says "the entity", she's referring to John of God when he's in a trance. When she calls him "the medium", that's when he's himself, and not channeling a spirit. She thinks that she and her father were treated differently from the moment they arrived in Abadiáñá, because her father was a well-known and respected lawyer. She could tell people were going above and beyond to make them feel comfortable. Ana Paula and her father saw John of God many times that year. And her father actually started to get better. He was able to swallow again. And with the help of physical therapists, he even started taking a few steps after being confined for many months to a wheelchair. So she and her father decided to move to Abadiánia full-time for a few months.

• 29:43Speaker 09

  Several times I visited John of God, and he would congratulate me on my father. He would ask me to go to his office, and I would always go either with my father's assistant or with my father. But I never went alone.

• 30:04Speaker 05

  Until one day, Ana Paula ended up at the casa by herself. She sat down in the meditation room as usual to pray, and she took off her shoes, as recommended by the community there.

• 30:17Speaker 09

  So I was there, barefoot, with my feet on the ground, feeling all that energy, the energy of the place, with my eyes closed. And I felt a hand on my shoulder.

• 30:31Speaker 09

  When I opened my eyes, it was John of God, and he called me to come to his office. I've been to his office several times, never alone. He would even close the door. But this time, I went alone, and as soon as I entered, not only he closed it, but he locked it with a key.

• 30:52Speaker 09

  At that moment, I felt bad.

• 30:57Speaker 09

  He said that he was going to do healing work for my father.

• 31:03Speaker 05

  Ana Paula felt uncomfortable. Something was not right.

• 31:09Speaker 05

  But she also wanted to believe what he told her, that this was a special spiritual treatment to heal her father. So she did as she was told. But what would happen in that room that day was far from the kind of spiritual experience she had hoped for.

• 31:29Speaker 09

  No doctor, neurologist, neurosurgeon, no one said they could cure my father. But he said, "I'm going to cure your father. You don't get it. This is a healing treatment, and it's your energy. And you represent your father."

• 31:49Speaker 09

  And I believed it.

• 31:52Speaker 05

  ¿Cómo sucedió esto? ¿Cómo obtuvo Joel una confianza casi ciega de sus seguidores? En el próximo episodio, aprendemos cómo Joel Teixeira de Faria se convirtió en Joel de Dios, Jove de Dios, este líder casi mítico de poder y influencia extremos.

• 32:13Speaker 15

  Él siempre demostró... Él siempre ha sido muy feliz de ser el mayor curador del mundo. La vanidad está expresada allí.

• 32:23Speaker 17

  Así que muy rápidamente aprendieron que tenían que protegerlo y proteger la posibilidad de que él curara a la gente, ya sabes, de dirigir el negocio. Es un negocio y todos alrededor de él sabían que eran parte del negocio.

• 32:40Speaker 18

  Y luego hubo un momento que fue el cuello de la expansión del movimiento, por supuesto, cuando Oprah Winfrey fue.

• 32:54Speaker 05

  Escuchen a Two-Faced John of God en la app de iHeart Radio, Apple Podcasts, o donde sea que obtengan sus podcasts. Allí también pueden encontrar este programa en español. Solo busca "Dos caras Juan de Dios". Two-Faced John of God es una producción de Exactly Right Media y Adonde Media. Hostada y escrita por mí misma, Martina Castro. Nuestro productor senior es Mariano Pachela. Reportando y verificando de forma precisa por Eloiza Tryano. Asistencia a la producción y investigación de Giovanna Romano Sánchez. Diseño de sonido por Mauricio Mendoza y nuestro ingeniero de master es Martín Cruz. La música original fue compuesta por Mariana Romano. El arte es de Vanessa Lilac.

• 33:35Speaker 05

  Ana Paula fue interpretada por Giovanna Romano Sánchez y Luciano Miranda por Andrés Caballero. Para Exactly Right Media, los productores ejecutivos son Karen Kilgariff, Georgia Hardstark y Danielle Kramer, con productor consultor Lily Ladawig y productor asociado Jay Elias.

• 33:54Speaker 05

  A special thank you to Michael Baylott for giving us permission to use audio from his recordings at the Casa. He recently published a book about his time there called Cult of John: The Secret Life of Joao de Deus.

• 34:06Georgia Hardstark?

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