Tony Robbins | All-In Live from Miami

(0:00) The Besties welcome Tony Robbins! (0:23) Tony's background and how it led to his career (8:19) Why progress correlates to happiness, state of the younger generation, biochemistry studies (21:53) SSRIs, psychedelics, importance of personal moonshots (31:49) Maintaining focus while managing multiple businesses (36:37) Thoughts on longevity (42:44) Partner shoutouts: Thanks to OKX, Circle, Polymarket, Solana, BVNK, and Google Cloud! Check out OKX: https://www.okx.com Check out Circle: https://www.circle.com Follow the besties: https://x.com/chamath https://x.com/Jason https://x.com/DavidSacks https://x.com/friedberg Follow on X: https://x.com/theallinpod Follow on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theallinpod Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@theallinpod Follow on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/allinpod Intro Music Credit: https://rb.gy/tppkzl https://x.com/yung_spielburg Intro Video Credit: https://x.com/TheZachEffect

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• 0:00Jason Calacanis?

  Our next guest needs no introduction. Tony Robbins.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  You have to figure that out. It's like I always say, if you want to take the island, you burn the boats. I got a chance to work with the President of the United States, Clinton, and he calls me one day, true story, and says, "Tony, they're gonna impeach me in the morning." How many of you ever achieved a goal, you worked your guts out for it, and then achieved it and went, "Is this all there is?"

• 0:19Jason Calacanis?

  Horrific, horrible.

• 0:23Jason Calacanis?

  It's great to meet you.

• 0:25Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 0:25Jason Calacanis?

  You're bigger in person. You're a big man.

• 0:29Speaker 01

  Compared to what?

• 0:30Jason Calacanis?

  A normal human.

• 0:33Jason Calacanis?

  You're large. You're like two-deep.

• 0:34Speaker 01

  Let me see your hands.

• 0:35Jason Calacanis?

  Yeah.

• 0:36Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 0:36Jason Calacanis?

  There you go. It's like, you're a big guy.

• 0:39Chamath Palihapitiya?

  You're glad he just said his hand.

• 0:43Jason Calacanis?

  It could've got really interesting. True, true.

• 0:47Jason Calacanis?

  Maybe not if he was in the cold plunge. You never know. Okay, enough.

• 0:53Jason Calacanis?

  When I told people you were coming.

• 0:54Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 0:55Jason Calacanis?

  I got like a range of responses, and your poor assistant chief of staff is in a total panic about all the questions I'm gonna ask you.

• 1:03Speaker 01

  I don't care.

• 1:04Jason Calacanis?

  Yes, I know you don't care. But I got the range of the infomercial guy, he has had a profound impact on my life from very significant friends of mine, who we know in common, who have been to your seminars, to he's kind of a guru, self-help, it's all kind of like snake oil. I want to know where this all started, because my perception of you was the late night, when I was growing up in the 80s, the infomercials.

• 1:33Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:34Jason Calacanis?

  And then I looked into it, and I started looking into the self-help space. You actually were inspired by a self-help guru who you went to work for in the, I think, the late 70s.

• 1:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, Jim Rohn.

• 1:45Jason Calacanis?

  Yeah, Jim Rohn. And you have been on this for a while, and a lot of the techniques that you studied are very real. These are real techniques in psychology. And when I looked at them, and I was looking at the history of it, you know, you look at Ralph Waldo, Emerson, self-reliance, Freud, Jung, NLP, natural neurolinguistic programming, and even L. Ron Hubbard, who took it in a different direction, a lot of these self-help things. Are you getting to a question? I am, I am. He wants to show you that he spent two hours on Wikipedia before we started. I went down the rabbit hole. Who is Tony Robbins? And why did you get addicted to all this self-help stuff?

• 2:29Jason Calacanis?

  And then, it's kind of been packaged in a couple of different ways in your life. So, I'm curious, this sort of arc of how you got into this, and then what you do for people now, because my friend Mark Pincus, and then we have Benioff, a friend of the show, my friend Kevin Rose, these guys, and then civilians. One of my wife's friends goes and runs over coals with you in Hawaii, and she's a makeup artist, and she loves it, and she can't shut up about it. So, tell me how you got into self-help, how you packaged it, and why you decided to be a coach and do these seminars, instead of starting a cult or religion?

• 3:04Speaker 01

  I got to unpack that.

• 3:09Jason Calacanis?

  Yes, please.

• 3:10Speaker 01

  Well, people know me at different stages. I was on television every 30 minutes, 24 hours a day, for about 12 years during infomercial days. And I hated infomercials, but there was no real vehicle, right? You could get out to a mass number of people, other than then writing a book, and most people don't read. So, but it started for me, I grew up in a pretty tough environment. I was born in downtown LA, had four different fathers, I had a very powerful mom, who I loved dearly, has since passed, beautiful soul, created a lot of my success to her. But also, when she drank alcohol and took prescription drugs, she was a different person, very violent, I have a younger brother, younger sister. So, I really became a practical psychologist in my youth, learning how to manage her emotions and her states, and how to really get things done. And then, probably the thing that changed my life the most, though, was when I was

• 3:52Speaker 01

  11 years old, my fourth father, and he got fired from his job, and it was Thanksgiving, we had no money and no food. When I say no food, we had crackers and peanut butter, but, you know, not a Thanksgiving dinner, which is kind of depressing. And my parents were fighting, and... You know, saying things you can never take back. And I was trying to make my brother and sister not hear it. And my life was changed because someone came to the door. I opened it, big guy, two bags of groceries in his hand and an unfrozen turkey uncooked in a pan on the ground. He'd obviously he's carried in and sat down. He said, is your father here? And I was like, just one moment. Yeah. And I thought it was gonna be the most joyous moment, but my father was angry because he felt humiliated. He looked at it as charity and said, we don't accept that. And long story short, the man said, I'm the delivery guy and my dad had to take the food. And that day changed my life because my father left shortly thereafter and I really loved him.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  He's the one who adopted me and I carry his name. But it also, our life is determined, I think, by the meanings we give to things. You know, is this the end or the beginning? Is this person dissing me? Are they coaching me? Are they loving on me? Whatever you decide controls your life. And I was fortunate enough at that point that I came up with a different meaning. We grew up in an environment I thought was a wealthy community. It was very low middle class, say, at least. And we were on the other side of the railroad tracks and it looked like nobody cared and nobody. My father kept saying, no one cares about anybody else. But this was new evidence for me. It was like, if a stranger doesn't even want credit, is delivering my family Thanksgiving dinner, then strangers do care. And I need to care about strangers. And so I promised myself that at 11 years old, that someday I'd do this back and feed at least two families.

• 5:21Speaker 01

  And then, you know, I grew up and I started studying patterns. I started seeing that everything is a pattern. You know, all of you know, as you're an investor, if you're a great CEO, if you're a great dancer and musician, it's really because you recognize patterns. Things are no longer chaos for you. You see what's going on. So you have the power of anticipation. And then the second skill, I think, I try to teach this to all my kids and grandkids. I have five kids and five grandkids. I have a 50 year old daughter and thanks to COVID, a four year old daughter. And, uh, and I'm thinking, what do I need them to know? The world is changing so fast. They have to be able to recognize patterns. Step two, utilize them. That's where the power is. And if you do it long enough, you play someone else's music long enough. You know, some of you starts to come through and start to be a creator of patterns. That's when you become masterful. Those are the people we know in investing, you know, their names or in business or anything else.

• 6:06Speaker 01

  And so, once I learned that, I realized there's nothing wrong with people. We just get caught up in patterns and we do them so long, we think they're us. And it's hard to change you. Change a pattern and I got really good at it. And so I changed my body. I changed my finances. People started coming to me and then gradually it became my full time focus. And I began to have people calling me as I started producing results and I'd get these athletes that would call like Serena Williams and and she's melting down and she can't get on the court because her sister just died. And she's lost recently and she's, you know, she's got gun shy. And I gotta right now turn her around and there's no net. So fortunately I've been able to do that over and over again and it built my career and brought me to a lot of sports teams and I own some of those sports teams, pieces of them. And, um, and but then I also started looking, okay, I started working with people that are depressed and suicidal.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  And knock on wood, I don't know. Did any of you see Tony Robbins, I'm not your guru on Netflix, anybody here? So if you haven't seen it, you can see, thank you. You see the work, but we follow up 10 years later. You see the people are still in great shape. Cause we're rewiring the way the brain works. It's not a bunch of pump up. I do use energy. Cause without energy, nothing changes, but you can't just have energy. You need strategy. And so as I did that, you know, I'll give you a perfect example. I'm 31 years old and career is starting to soar. And then I, I got a chance to work with the President of the United States. Uh, Clinton and he calls me one day, true story and says, Tony, they're going to impeach me in the morning. What should I do?

• 7:26Speaker 01

  And I'm 31 years old. The president asked me, so I said, could you call me sooner? This is like tomorrow morning, but because there's no net, my brain figured it out. You have to figure it out. It's like, I always say, if you want to take the island, you burn the boats. And then I got good at. But sorry, Tony, what, what did you tell him? Me? What did you tell him? I can't tell you that.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  I had to. So that's a private thing. I'll tell you, I don't share unless somebody shares. But what I will tell you is I got good then at studying businesses and I became an entrepreneur. And so now I have 114 companies and massively different industries, but we do about $9 billion, a little bit more in revenue. And I love the diversity. So I get to work with athletes. I get the team you formerly have ownership in, I have a little piece of Peter Guber is one of my dearest friends, as you probably know. And so I've gotten to work with, you know, some of the greatest athletes in the world, some of the greatest musicians, some of the greatest entertainers, the greatest entrepreneurs. And I don't go there just to teach. Tony, can I ask you a societal question for a second? Okay. So you've been.

• 8:25Chamath Palihapitiya?

  In some ways diagnosing what ails people for let's say 40 years now.

• 8:29Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 8:31Chamath Palihapitiya?

  Every society has its own pothole. And maybe, you know, teenagers and young people today suffer from a very different thing that maybe Jason, myself and Friedberg did at our ages. Can you diagnose the level of happiness and sadness and satisfaction dissatisfaction? That this current young generation has relative to other younger generations? And where it's different and where it's the same?

• 8:56Speaker 01

  I don't think I'm the only one who can see it. I think expectations, you know, I always tell people, expectations are what make you really unhappy. And we can't not have any, obviously. But trade your expectations for appreciation, your life changes. But our expectations now are controlled more by social media, especially that generation, right? So they're seeing people that are incredibly wealthy and thinking that's who I should be and feeling like they don't have anything. I mean, what turned people in the Soviet Union against Soviet Union when they got access to seeing how the Westerners lived? Then things changed. When they didn't see it, it was okay. So today we compare ourselves to others in ways that are not real because like young girls that go on social media, you've seen all the studies, I'm sure. They get depressed because they're comparing to images that aren't even real.

• 9:35Chamath Palihapitiya?

  Expectations minus reality equals happiness.

• 9:38Speaker 01

  And what I really say is progress equals happiness. Like if you are growing, if you are going at something, even if you're not there yet and you have got to lose 50 pounds and you lose the first five or 10. Or you're in a relationship and you finally face what has to be dealt with, or you face your finances. There's a momentum that happens and an aliveness. I mean, ask all of you here and those of you in the room. How many of you ever achieved a goal you worked your guts out for and then achieved it went, is this all there is? Who's had this experience? I'm curious, right? That's a horrific moment, right?

• 10:06Chamath Palihapitiya?

  Horrible.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  It's worse than failure because most of us simply fail. We get back up and figure it out, right? But try this on the size. How many of you achieved a goal that you worked your guts out for? And you're really proud of it and you're euphoric. Who's had one of those? Well, by show of hands, some noise out there if you give it to me. So the question is, how long did that good feeling last? Did it last six years? No. A year? A year for you? Six months? Six minutes.

• 10:28David Friedberg?

  Ten minutes.

• 10:29Speaker 01

  Six weeks? Yeah. Six minutes? Yeah. For most people, it's been six minutes and about six weeks, I've found. Yeah. And so, why is that? Because we're meant to grow. In life, you grow or you die. The whole universe, you know, my life, you grow or you die. And when you grow, you have something to give. And unless you're giving something beyond yourself, if it's always a trade, you don't have any esteem for yourself. You don't have any enterprise. But when you have something to give, that's when life feels more meaningful.

• 10:53David Friedberg?

  Yeah, Jonathan Haidt's book from years ago, The Happiness Hypothesis.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 10:59David Friedberg?

  They had a great study in there on economic progress being the best predictor of happiness. It wasn't the absolute dollars you were earning each year that flatlined after a certain baseline standard of living. Beyond that standard of living, once you're able to get food and housing and all the things you need to survive and thrive, what predicted happiness was how much things changed from year to year.

• 11:20Speaker 01

  Rate of change.

• 11:20David Friedberg?

  The rate of change.

• 11:21Speaker 01

  That is absolutely right. And I'll say, but there are new studies that add another dynamic. It's also affected by who is in your environment. And today, who's in your environment? Because the social media is not real. And so, now we're in a place where people evaluate, not by their circle of friends they hang out with. That certainly plays a role. But even more so. And I've always tell people, if you want to grow, get on the field with people tenfold of where you are. And if you want to play tennis, and you're good at tennis, and you're fortunate enough to get, sit down with somebody who's world-class, like a Serena Williams, friend of mine, if you go out and do that, you know, you're terrible. But just get on the court with her, you gotta get great. If you play against somebody you're better than, it's only a matter of time before your skills go down as well. So I think our society, people have an expectation today. Also, my original teacher, Jim Rohn, a personal development speaker,

• 12:06Speaker 01

  more of a business philosopher. He, I went to him one time when I was really young, just beginning with him. And I said, "All my fathers are good humans. Why were you always broke?" And I said, and I look at this, you know, billionaire hedge fund person, you know, and he made a billion dollars last year and this school teacher only made, in those days, like forty thousand dollars. And he said, Tony, that's fair, but here's what I can suggest to you. We're all equal as souls, but we're not equal in the marketplace. And he said, if you go to McDonald's and you get a, you don't get a living wage, you're not supposed to. It's a first job. Anyone could do that job and learn it in an hour. But he said, if you find a way to add more value to people, because he said to me, can someone make twice as much money in the same time? I said, yeah, five times, ten, a hundred

• 12:49Speaker 01

  times? He said, yeah. He said, the guy that made a billion dollars produced a forty-two percent return. Did you know that? Those are people's futures. That was people's college educations. That was their retirements. He is worth it. You must become obsessed on doing more for others than anybody else does. And so that's been my moniker for all my companies. And it's been the core. And I think that's what's missing, to answer your question. It's like, what is like going to give me versus the Kennedy days of don't ask what your country can do.

• 13:13Chamath Palihapitiya?

  But how do you help a larger swath of society then unwind the addiction to SSRIs, the kind of doom loop, doom scrolling, like just the general malaise that then manifests in all these weird ways, the inability to talk to each other, the, you know, cut people off because they voted one way versus another. All this stuff just seems so.

• 13:35David Friedberg?

  Because all of the social media, the mobile, the social, everything's not going away. It's here. It's permeated and it's not just going to disappear overnight.

• 13:44Speaker 01

  But if you study like the youngest generation, how they've come forward, they're getting off of even, they've obviously got off Facebook a long time ago. Their parents do that stuff, right? But they're not even on Instagram now. They're going to these individual places that are more intimate. They're wanting not everybody to know what they're doing. The pendulum throws itself so extreme and then we correct. It's what we just experienced politically. It's the same thing. So it's, it's easy to rationalize that. But I'll tell you, you know, Stanford came to me during the COVID time, the period, and they came to me because two of their professors had gone through my Date with Destiny seminar. It's a five day total immersion where you rewire yourself, decide what you want. I don't tell you what your values are, how you're going to live your life. And both of them had been on medication, both were clinically depressed and they came back. He said, they have no symptoms, they're off all their medication. How does this happen?

• 14:29Speaker 01

  So we had this long conversation. He said, well, do you have some data? I said, well, I have millions of graduates, you know, and stories. He goes, no, no, like scientific data. I said, no, but I'd be open to doing a study. So during COVID.

• 14:40Chamath Palihapitiya?

  Oh, wow. To longitudinally follow the people that have.

• 14:42Speaker 01

  Yes, yes. And so he took, but they put people in, they did their own study. Cause I said, if we're gonna do this, tell me what the standards, what do the meta studies show? Like, how many people get well through traditional approaches of drugs and therapy? You know, I don't know if you're aware of it, it's crazy. Sixty percent of the people who use drugs or therapy to try and get out of depression make zero improvement. Sixty percent, forty percent improve, he shared with me, but the average improvement is fifty percent. Most are on drugs the rest of their life. And he goes, I said, you should be able to do that with a placebo. And he laughed and said.

• 15:10Chamath Palihapitiya?

  It's true, in fact.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  And he said, yeah, sort of. And I said, well, I know it sounds like hubris or arrogance, but it's not. I've just done this so long. I said, we will destroy that. I said, what's the best study you've ever done? They said, it was John Hopkins. Now it's, I think it's been about eight years ago. And they gave people psilocybin, magic mushrooms and cognitive therapy for a month. I said, well, something had to change that kind of biochemical shift, right? And it was the greatest, up until that point, the greatest result they'd ever seen in psychiatry. At the end of six weeks, fifty-three percent of the people had no symptoms whatsoever of depression. Nothing like it in history. So I said, that's my target to beat. And I said, again, right, it's all arrogant, but I said, enough experience. I'd be willing to bet we'd do it. You set up the study with all the comparison groups and he did.

• 15:52Speaker 01

  And they ran the study and I'm proud to tell you that at the end of six weeks, ninety-seven percent of the people had no symptoms whatsoever. Seven percent had symptoms, but they had lessened massively. But seventeen percent had suicidal ideation coming in and coming out and none did. They followed up a year later, seventy-two percent reduction in negative emotions. A year after, I've not seen them, fifty-one percent increase in positive emotions. So now we're doing it on business. They did a one-year study with fifteen hundred people. They just finished it. And you know, in business, you know, EBITDA is engagement, right? The most engaged employees in companies are there and we've all seen that drop. If you're not familiar with it, we usually go three levels. You measure engagement, disengagement, which would be now we call it quiet quitting. And then active disengagement, that's hard quitting where they're in the company, but trying to harm it.

• 16:35Speaker 01

  The largest drop in history since COVID has happened on engagement and the largest increase in active disengagement. They took the group in, 750 of each group, test group versus the normal group. In four, excuse me, in five days, they found a month later, the engagement levels returned far above what they were pre-COVID, but more importantly, without any more interaction with me because they changed their wiring. Over the next year, they followed them for the full year, they, they continued to increase their engagement.

• 17:02Jason Calacanis?

  A lot of what you're doing is and has its roots in what we call today CBT, cognitive behavioral therapy, attribution theory, how you interpret what people are saying to you.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  That's part of it, but you also need-

• 17:11Jason Calacanis?

  And taking a pause when you do have a reaction coming to you and just pausing for a second and then making sure you understand and checking the reality of that.

• 17:20Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 17:21Jason Calacanis?

  These are techniques that you actually have in your programs.

• 17:24Speaker 01

  Yes, they do, but you, if you also don't change the physiology of the person, you have limited range. I'll give you an example, they sent a group and followed me for, I think three-

• 17:31Jason Calacanis?

  I think maybe explaining the attribution theory would be really good for the audience and why that's so powerful.

• 17:36Speaker 01

  Well, I, I think, if I may, just a little bit of time, I think it's more important to understand physical change.

• 17:41Jason Calacanis?

  Okay.

• 17:42Speaker 01

  Because your biochemical changes are what last. If I asked you all where you were on 9/11, no matter what country you're in, even if you're in Latin America, everyone knows where they were, they, what they saw, who was there, right? There's a biochemical change. If I asked you where on 8/11, you don't have a clue. So, what they did is they followed me and they saw what happened to my body on stage 12 hours a day, four days in a row. They had me wear this huge device and it took my blood and they took my saliva hormones every hour on the hour. And they'd also done this with Tom Brady, the group has also done this with the Tampa Bay Lightning who've won multiple times. And what they found is what they call championship biochemistry. When Tom Brady's down by, you know, 10 points since the fourth quarter and he comes back to win, how does that happen? His biochemistry has an explosion of testosterone, which makes you remember everything, that's

• 18:27Speaker 01

  why it retained, and it puts you in a place of total focus, but with testosterone usually also have the stress hormone of cortisol. In Tom's body, he goes there, the cortisol drops off the cliff. It's unheard of. They call it championship. And same thing happens Tampa. Same thing happens every time I get on stage, not sitting like this, but doing what we do. What's more important is they then decided to measure my audience and they did it first before COVID. And then I started doing seminars digitally all around the world. Like we have 1.3 million people for a four day seminar. I usually did 15, 20,000 person stadiums for four days. And now that's the size we're able to grow to and scale and we figured out how to make it work. But when they measured them in 15 different countries, it looks like, it looks like music.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  They come in and we suddenly start to go up together and they get the same response, same find of focus and the same cortisol drop. And that's why they believe it's lost. Same thing happens with engagement, right? It's a biochemical. So I do believe in all the elements of cognitive therapy. Their linguistic program, there's so many. But without, the unique thing that I saw I did and that's trying to explain how it lasted is the biochemical shift.

• 19:31Jason Calacanis?

  So pairing CBT with this physical activity, this intensity.

• 19:35Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:35Jason Calacanis?

  That is the secret.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:37Jason Calacanis?

  That makes total sense.

• 19:37Speaker 01

  Otherwise it won't last.

• 19:39Jason Calacanis?

  Right.

• 19:39Speaker 01

  You know, you can make it last by repetition, right? By, you know, affirming something.

• 19:43Jason Calacanis?

  This is why when we go on a retreat and they organize these corny corporate retreats, it's not corny that they want to do a thrilling experience and go whitewater rafting to help people bond.

• 19:52Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:53Jason Calacanis?

  Because people's lives are so sedentary, they don't experience this. And that's why all you lunatics are jumping in ice cold baths every day.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 19:59Jason Calacanis?

  That's why you feel alive. You must have a very high like excitement level. Like you gotta be in a helicopter and you gotta jump in cold water to be, to feel alive at this point.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  I've been doing that 18 years and the last 10 or 12 years, everybody does it now. But yes, no, but it's also, I'm a biohacker. I have to be able to get up and do, imagine, I burn 11,500 calories, 11,300 calories on average in a day. I jump a thousand times. I'm in a stadium. I'm not just standing there. If you're standing there, you'd be bored out of your mind. I engage or I'm running up the walls. I'm there with everybody. I could strike at any moment. That's what keeps people fully alive. But when you do that, I'm jumping a thousand times. I weighed 290 pounds. Every time you come down, they explain it's four times your body weight. So it's a million pounds, you know, of pressure. And I'm doing that, I've been doing that since I was now basically 19 years old. This is my 48th year doing it.

• 20:49Jason Calacanis?

  If you had been diagnosed by like the industrial psychological psychiatry complex these days, would they just have said you were like a kid with ADHD or something? What do you think?

• 21:00Speaker 01

  I don't know what they'd come up with. I'm a freak as far as their concern.

• 21:03Jason Calacanis?

  You probably would have broke the scale.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  But you know what's nice now is they have virtually every psychological leader out of maybe a dozen of them have endorsed what we do. In fact, now therapists in various states in the United States can actually study my work, see the results, because there's very few places you can see an intervention and then follow up and see what the result was a year later. And they get credits for that.

• 21:22Jason Calacanis?

  If you circle back to when Tom Cruise said, hey, listen, you know, exercise, diet, meditation, and he kind of laid out there's other ways to deal with depression. And everybody were like, what does he know? These doctors know better.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 21:34Jason Calacanis?

  And now the doctors have all come back to his position.

• 21:36Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 21:36Jason Calacanis?

  Which is let's focus on your diet, let's focus on your exercise, let's focus on your sleep.

• 21:40Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 21:40Jason Calacanis?

  And let's focus on your meditation.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 21:42Jason Calacanis?

  Those four things.

• 21:43Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 21:43Jason Calacanis?

  Will do more to you than any pill, correct in your estimation?

• 21:46Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 21:47Jason Calacanis?

  Yet we have sixty percent of people in the country on a pill in some of these.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  And most of them have more than one. Anytime you combine three pills, you cannot predict the outcome in your body.

• 21:55Chamath Palihapitiya?

  And what about Tony then to move away from SSRIs now to psychedelics and psilocybin? Like there's all of these, it's all these cure alls.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Yes. Well, I'm sure you saw the cover of Newsweek a couple of years ago. It talked about, it was on the cover and it said SSRIs don't work. They don't. They've been proven not to work by the meta-studies, but we're still giving them to millions of people. And the side effects are depression, sometimes suicidal. It's insane. So looking for something else to rewire your brain is why people are starting to either mildly dose or heavily dose or go on these pieces. But the problem there, there's nothing wrong with anybody wants to do whatever they want to do. I'm not a prude about how to do it, but I like the idea of being able to take charge and make conscious decisions. But I've had that experience. I went and investigated that myself directly. Went down, you know, into South America and had experience. It was quite profound. But it's like, what are you going to do with it? Some people, it just becomes another way to party, you know? And that, then you're not going to get any results.

• 22:46Jason Calacanis?

  So if you're doing it with a therapist, with intentionality, with a guide.

• 22:52Speaker 01

  Like I was completely, I was completely against it. And I met Tony Bosses from Columbia or New York University. And I said, you know, I'm just not into drugs, you know, I'm not a freak, but people around me overuse them and abuse them, so I've always just not done that. And he said, Tony, it's not a drug because a drug you take it one, you know, you gotta take it every day. He said, this, I'll show you. And he showed me videos. He said, these are people that, he was working with people that have been diagnosed with cancer, terminal cancer, right? And he said, watch this. He said, I'm going to show you in advance. This woman is an atheist. She's not like a California atheist, like there might be some god in the trees or something. She's a New York atheist. There is no god.

• 23:26Jason Calacanis?

  Yeah.

• 23:29Speaker 01

  And he shows me the video, you know, they do two different sessions. They don't know which one's gonna be it. And she comes out at the end of the session where she had the experience and she said, "I experienced God." And about 96% of the people say it's one of the three most profound experiences of life. It was for me. And I used to, I can handle anything, but the one thing I was weak at, I'll be honest with you, was like somebody dying because I had handled that within myself. And so that's why I went to do it. And I, I don't have a fear of dying. I don't want, I don't want to die, but I don't have the fear of it before.

• 23:59Jason Calacanis?

  And if you went through deep trauma in your childhood psychedelics can, I'm told, take you right to that place. And you will have to confront it. And that's why doing it in a safe environment, especially if you're a child of trauma with an alcoholic father, which I had as well, very challenging experience.

• 24:18Speaker 01

  I don't recommend going to just a guru or somebody like, well, I went down in South America, only because there are a lot of people that take advantage of women down there. Because once you're in that state, it's, you know, you're really, you don't know what's, you're in a world, a different world. So I really say you want to, there are people, now there's a big push at UCLA, they're, they're,

• 24:36Jason Calacanis?

  Stanford, John Hawkins.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  And I think using it in that area make a difference. But my point is you get the same results without it. And I'm just guessing people have to do it one way.

• 24:45Chamath Palihapitiya?

  Yeah. Tony, can I build on Friedberg's question, which is happiness is sort of a rate of change problem?

• 24:51Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 24:52Chamath Palihapitiya?

  You're incredibly successful. You're incredibly famous. You have a great family. You're really fabulously wealthy. There's all this stuff. How do you frame your mind in terms of this rate of change? So you're seeing progress? Like, do you do that for yourself? Like?

• 25:07Speaker 01

  Yes, of course. I think, I think men and women, it's a generalization, but I think they evaluate life differently. I think most men have grown up in a hierarchical world, women, some women do as well. And they have an idea of where they think they should be at a certain time. And most people are not there at times where if you're fortunate enough, you're ahead of the game. I got to the point, probably 10 years ago, where I'd done all these things. I didn't have any less enthusiasm, but I didn't have anything that like, what am I gonna do now? And, and I'd done philanthropy my whole life, because, you know, I got fed, so I started feeding people. I did it at 17. I fed two families, and then four, and I got hooked on it. And then I got my little company involved, and then we got to 2 million people, and then 2 million from me, and 2 million from, you know, the general public. And then, when I was writing Money Master the Game, I wrote, interviewed Ray Dalio, Carl Icahn, Warren

• 25:50Speaker 01

  Buffett, all the best in the business. And I, I saw at the same time, I'm interviewing these billionaires, that the government cut food stamps, now it's called the SNAP program. Yeah. By six, I think it was $6 billion. That means every family that needs food would have to go out with one week of food unless people like us step up. So I called my foundation, I said, "How many people have I fed in my lifetime?" Because I didn't know the number. They said, "42 million." And I was like, really gratified by that. But I also was saying, like, what if I did what I did in a whole lifetime in a year? What if I fed 50 million people in a year? And I was like, what if I fed 100 million? What if I fed 100 million for 10 straight years and fed a billion people in the United States, richest country in the world, but we have about 20 million people that don't know where the next meal's gonna come from? And I hooked up with Feeding America to deliver the food, and I'm proud

• 26:33Speaker 01

  to say we did it in eight years. But the problem hasn't gone away. And so now, I hooked up with Governor Beasley when I was in the UAE. He introduced me to Governor Beasley, MBZ did. And he explained to me that- You ran the World Food Program. Yes, he won the No-Go Prize for that. Yeah. And MBZ said, "I want you to meet the only guy I know that's feeding more people than you." I was like, "He's been a lot more than I am at the UN." But we sat down, and we became friends. And now, I said to him, "Normally, 80 million people a year are at risk of dying. This year, it's 385 million because of the war in Ukraine. It is the breadbasket for most of Africa, and there are 11 countries near famine right now. You don't read about it in the news, because you're reading about something on somebody's knuckles, right?" And, um, and I said to him, "Well-" And then there's not a fertilizer because Russia's been cut off and it made the price

• 27:16Speaker 01

  triple and farmers can't afford it. So I said, we need a period of time to get sustainability. 10 years, let's say. How many meals would we need in the meantime, just to close the gap? He said, Tony, 50, 60, maybe 70 billion meals. So I said, why don't we do 100 billion meals challenge? I said, I did a billion meals. I did it supposed to be in 10 years, 100 million years, 100 billion meals a year. I wasn't a billionaire when I started. I've been blessed, obviously. But there's got to be 99 other people like me who care, or businesses, or countries. And so we began that process two and a half years ago. In the beginning, it did not go well. But I'm proud to tell you, in the first year and a half, we got 30 billion meals. I'll be announcing at the UN coming up this fall. I can't tell you the numbers, it's supposed to wait till then, but more than double that.

• 27:59Speaker 01

  So we're well beyond that. But right now, in Darfur, thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate your applause, but I think also, we want sustainability and any of you that want to donate, I'll match. I do it at Feeding America. You donate a million dollars, I'll match it. You can put a $10 in, I'll match it. But now, Darfur, you know, people, you know, we get these war zones now. And there are people right now surrounded by those rebels, a million people right now. And no one's funding anything because no one can get, they'll shoot the plane out of the sky. So we just, Governor Busey and I have just teamed up and we have found this group, this military group that's retired that want to do good works. They've done it for a while. And we're

• 28:41Speaker 01

  buying the C-130s. I'm donating the first million meals for the week. I got two people to match me. So we have three weeks worth of food. We're going to fly in and airdrop all that food. I'm going to UAE because I know the leaders there. We're going to Saudi Arabia. I'm going to say, you can't shoot this down. This is not political. There's no weapons. It's just food. And we're going to prove it works. And then we have a tour June 7th through the 15th with all those leaders to get them to hopefully step up. Patar's already stepped up and said they're going to get 30 million. And we're going to save those lives because some people will die otherwise, you know? And everybody just gives up. I'm not a person who gives up.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  But I just want to say that to answer your question for anybody, I think we all need moonshots. It's like, we all need something to go for.

• 29:20Chamath Palihapitiya?

  Everybody needs that.

• 29:21Speaker 01

  Yeah, you've ever achieved a goal and then there's a drop because we're made to keep growing. And so when I did that, then it's like, okay, my wife and I, we found some kids that were trafficked. We couldn't believe it. And I said, I want to save as many people, the city I grew in, it was 30,000 people. So now we're at 76,000 kids we've saved. I worked with some of the best organizations, helped make a movie, some of you may have seen last year, that was, or two years ago, that was all about this process. And it blew up on July 4th, you know, the sound of freedom.

• 29:50Chamath Palihapitiya?

  Is it hard for you to frame your mind on a goal that's measured differently than the thing that you were successful at?

• 29:55Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 29:56Chamath Palihapitiya?

  Oh, my goal is to make money. And then you make a ton of money. And then you're like, now my goal is to do something philanthropic. It's a totally different measurement. And what happens, as you said, even if you're motivated by it, a lot of the people around you may be very unmotivated by it and almost pull you back from it.

• 30:14Speaker 01

  Well, I'll tell you, I've done this my whole life. I had a, Peter Gubers, our mutual friend, you know, Peter.

• 30:20Chamath Palihapitiya?

  Great guy.

• 30:20Speaker 01

  Peter, one time I was arguing, or not arguing, sharing with him my frustration that people weren't helping these children or helping, you know, trafficking because it, because it sounds so bad, you don't want to hear about it. And Peter really was astute. He said, Tony, he said, you taught me this. People do things for different reasons. Some people donate because they want their name on the wall. Some people donate because they're guilty because they inherited their money. Some people donate because they really care. You don't care, just meet their needs. And so I found, like, I had a friend that was on a plane the other day, I've known him 44 years. That person's reading my book, it's my book I did, interviewed 150 people who are the top regenerative scientists in the world, right? So it's a big book, 700 pages. And this guy's marking it and he's, you know, just going crazy. My friend loves to see how people respond. He says, so what do you think of that book? And he goes, oh, my God, stem cells and this and that. You

• 31:04Speaker 01

  can't believe what you can do with your body and change. And he goes, what do you think of the author? He goes, oh, he seems like such a nice guy. He took nothing from all his books. He donated all, he feeds all these people, but he is rich, he said. So it must be easy for him. And my buddy turned to him and said, what if I told you I'd known Tony for forty-four years? I knew him when he had ten dollars in his pocket, didn't know he was gonna get his next meal, and he gave five to a guy in the street. And that he taught me, if I don't give a dollar, you know, dime out of a dollar, I'm never gonna give a hundred million out of a billion. And you start now. You start now, and your life is different. So I invite people to find a moonshot. And mine started with feeding two families. And then it becomes four, and then it becomes larger. But now, my economics, you know, are obviously extraordinary. But what drives me now is all the things I'm doing.

• 31:48Speaker 01

  I need tens of millions of dollars for what I donate.

• 31:51David Friedberg?

  Let me ask you a question on that, which is, how do you think about the relationship between focus and effectiveness? A lot of folks, and my experience has been, the more we try and do, the more the breadth of the things we try and do, the harder it is to do any one thing exceptionally well and have these outsized returns. And there's a nonlinear relationship between focus and outcome. The more you concentrate your time, energy, capital on one thing, it becomes nonlinear how well that thing does. When you're an effective person, you have movie projects, book projects, speaking engagements, businesses, ownership in sports teams, people calling you. How do you think about focusing your time and the effectiveness that you can then have in the things that you choose to do?

• 32:34Speaker 01

  I believe in concentration of power, but I don't have the limitation of thinking it has to be every moment on just one thing. So I actually built a system for myself. When I was really young and I had my second business, I wasn't doing well with my first one, so I started a second one. Very brilliant. It's like saying, I'm now terrible parents, let me have another kid. That's what most people do as entrepreneurs. So, but I knew I needed to take control of my time. So I took these time management courses, and they, you know, you have a little book in those days, and your A, B, and C priorities. And I did it for about two weeks, and then after a while, I was like, there's no way I can do everything on my list. And I was frustrated. Who can relate to this, by the way, in your own life, right? And so it's like I said, every time management system does the same thing, I don't know if it's digital or not, you start with the same question. Now, thinking is nothing but the process of asking and answering questions.

• 33:17Speaker 01

  Now, as I said that, you're gonna think and you're gonna ask yourself, is that true or not? And you're gonna evaluate it through your references, and that's a question, isn't it? And we could take you all the way down the line, but for simple sake, the question of what I need to do is the wrong question. So I will tell you this. When President Obama said, "What should I do?" And I taught myself something different. I said, "I need to control my focus, concentrate it, but I also need to have purpose behind it." Because, you know, purpose is stronger than object. I wanna make a billion dollars. For what, though? The purpose, that's where the energy and the fuel is. And then I need a map. I called it RPM, like increasing RPMs to get from here to there, and you know the result. Then I ask, "What do I want? What's the result measurable? Why am I doing it? And then, what's the map? The massive action plan? And then I go find the 20% of things will give me 80% of the progress. And then I put things in categories.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  I have companies in categories. I have my family life in a category, my bodies in a category. And every week, I predetermined what are the most important outcomes for the week. But when you do that, you are able to have that concentration of power. And where I am, I'm there 1 million percent. And I found that skill of concentration doesn't have to be just one thing. If, like in your businesses, you get great leaders. Obviously, I couldn't do all these things myself. But when I've got great, you know, when you've got partners that are extraordinary. In the health area, you know, I created this company called Fountain Life, and I got Peter Diamandis as my partner, who's a genius. I partnered with Sam Nazarian, somebody you know from SBS, right? He created Mondrian and SLS Hotels. And we're building 15 extraordinary luxury hotels around the world, where you can go and be scanned and everything there.

• 34:46Jason Calacanis?

  Are you doing too much?

• 34:47Speaker 01

  No, I love it.

• 34:48Jason Calacanis?

  You do?

• 34:49Speaker 01

  You know if it's too much, you love it. And I have time for my daughter, which I adore, right? She's four years old.

• 34:53Jason Calacanis?

  No, but I'm saying it in slightly in jest, because you are hyper-efficient. You've got this crazy energy level. There is a theory that sometimes people become a little too addicted to success and to, you know, improving themselves. Do you ever stop and just like enjoy the day and not try to improve everything? Do you ever stop and just like laugh and maybe enjoy some sushi? And fuck off with your friends and play some cards? Or does everything have to be the 78 millionth meal and person you saved?

• 35:25Speaker 01

  No, well, there's a part of me that's that way for sure.

• 35:27Jason Calacanis?

  Really? What do you do?

• 35:29Speaker 01

  No, I said, there's a part of me, the first part, that's as crazy as you described. But it's not a part of me that I value love and relationship above all else.

• 35:35Jason Calacanis?

  Got it.

• 35:36Speaker 01

  So like, you know, Peter's one of my dearest friends for thirty-five years. He was down here in Miami. Called me up and we had everything booked. I moved everything. And we spent two hours just to hang out together because I love him dearly. He's eighty, eighty-two, eighty-three years old right now. I don't know a better human being. He's my priority. My daughter's my priority. Uh, my outcomes change when there's something more important, right, that's there. But I've also learned that I have to be able to turn the switch off. And I do that. And I do that, and Ray Dalio is a good friend and, you know, learning to meditate was something I thought I'd never do in my life. But I've developed a simpler pattern. I developed for myself a meditation I start my days with. I have to take care of my body. And when I'm doing those things, and I also, when everybody else goes to bed, that's when I get my thinking time. And so from midnight till three or four for me is usually my time.

• 36:18Jason Calacanis?

  Are you like a three-hour sleeper, like a four?

• 36:21Speaker 01

  No, like four and a half to five. Not ideal. Five is ideal for me. But, uh, I can certainly do that.

• 36:26Jason Calacanis?

  That's always been that way. That's sort of.

• 36:27Speaker 01

  You know, not when I was a kid, but once I discovered my passion for, you know, you've all heard the phrase, right? The two most important days of your life, the day you're born, the day you discover what you're born for. And when I discovered that, the energy in my body changed radically.

• 36:39Jason Calacanis?

  Think about, um, I'm curious, uh, mortality a lot. I know you're into the stem cells or, you know, you're, we're all getting to a certain age and we're all going to the same destination. And, uh, looking back on your life and then finding meaning in that. I know some people our age start thinking about legacy. Does that like, matter to you? And are you thinking about, hey, how many years do I have left?

• 37:04Speaker 01

  I never thought of that till about sixty-four. I'm sixty-five now. Uh, I never did.

• 37:09Jason Calacanis?

  So just in the last year, you started thinking about it?

• 37:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, the last year and a half.

• 37:11Jason Calacanis?

  Was there something that caused that to happen?

• 37:13Speaker 01

  My daughter. I think having my daughter come along. I had her at sixty-one.

• 37:17Jason Calacanis?

  You had a daughter at sixty-one?

• 37:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, she's four years old.

• 37:19Jason Calacanis?

  Four years old. Wow.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  So I've got a fifty-year-old daughter and a.

• 37:22Jason Calacanis?

  Got it. I was confused by the math when you said all that. And I was asking the question because, you know, in your brain, it's all questions and answers.

• 37:29Speaker 01

  And what you do is you say, I told my wife originally, I said, we're gonna have a kid by fifty. I said, I, I don't want to be there at my kid's high school. Reunion or excuse me, graduation and I'm, you know, 70 years old and I'll be 80 when I do that. But I look at people like Peter or Steve Wynn, like I have a whole group of friends in their 80s that are Peter's doing more today than he did when I knew him was 45.

• 37:47Jason Calacanis?

  Yeah.

• 37:48Speaker 01

  And so I look at that and say, but, but you gotta take care of your body.

• 37:51Jason Calacanis?

  Yeah.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  And so, and there are things you don't predict. I, my eye may look a little weird to some of you and may not notice, but about three weeks ago, no, five weeks ago, I started to feel irritation in my bladder and hard time breathing was very weird. And I'm very, you know, I have a really intense way to hyperbaric oxygen, cryotherapy. So it's really weird for me not to have that. And so I went and got tested at Fountain Life where we have our stuff. And they found I had this massive amount of arsenic in my body. Like a zero to five was what they measure it. 50 would be off the charts. That was 345. And it was so bad. The first thing he said is you gotta watch your eyes. And five days later, my

• 38:27Jason Calacanis?

  Wow.

• 38:27Speaker 01

  Retina detached, which can make you blind. So I went in for emergency surgery here in Miami and one of the best doctors out here. And normally you have to take the surgery and then you have to lie on your stomach for a week and not get up looking down because they put this gas behind the retina.

• 38:41Jason Calacanis?

  Oh my God.

• 38:42Speaker 01

  But fortunately I, Bobby Kennedy, I put him together with Trump. He's a good friend. I called him. He got me with the top guys at two different hospitals. They said, this is the guy. We got all together and he said, I think this is not as effective. It's not like 90% effective. It's like 70. But if it works, you can, he goes, I can't imagine you lying on your stomach for seven straight days and nights not moving. I said, I can't either. And he said, if I do this, it's like a belt around your eye and you'll be able to sit up at least. So that was only three and a half weeks ago. And so this eye is still having some pieces. So of course that made me pay attention, but yesterday, as I operate, I found out from Fountain Life, there is a new approach to your immune system because all this is coming out because my immune system was affected by these metals.

• 39:24Speaker 01

  By the way, all of you, if you could give yourself a gift, you should get tested for metals. There are so many metals in our food.

• 39:30Jason Calacanis?

  And there's all these great blood tests you can do with Fountain, other services, and you can do them every six months for $500. And our doctors never told them to do this. They just would like, be like, oh yeah, your blood work's good.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  But when you think you're aging, often what it is, is poisons in your body, metals in your body. It's so crazy. So there, I want everybody to know about this. There's a man named Dr. Zhao and I've, I've seen everything. I wrote Life Force. 150 of the best regenerative doctors in the world know about, I know them all. I've interviewed them all. This to me is like the number one thing to go to. So he has created this, I've done stem cells. I healed my shoulder with stem cells. I didn't have to go through surgery. But he does this, what he calls re-education of your immune system. My beta cells were through the floor from all these metals. So now all the other things your body would fight off are coming through, right? And then my whole body was going into reaction. So I said, there is an answer. And I'm going to detox and I'm proud to tell you, and they told me it could take two years. It took five weeks and I've got all the metals down to normal levels, at

• 40:26Speaker 01

  least now, which I'm so thrilled about. But then what I'm going to do for my immune system. So Dr. Zhao, he's been around. He discovered the stem cells that are in the blood, not MSC cells, but these blood cells. And he's worked 25 years to do it. I've never seen anything like it in my life. He does plasma theresis, you've probably heard of it, where they take blood out and they put it through a filter and it's can be very useful. I've had that before. But what he does, he takes your blood through and he takes your white blood cells, your immune system out overnight. He puts it through a filter with cord stem cells. You don't actually put someone else's cord stem cells in you. It's the intelligence that gets transferred. And then it puts it back in your body and then they spread and change your immune system back 20 years. That sounds like a ridiculous promotion. This

• 41:08Speaker 01

  guy's not a promoter at all. And it's all science. But I watched, what got me to go there is my, one of the people like Helen, Dr. Helen from our place at Fountain Life showed me, she says, Tony, I think this is what you got to do. She's on this ALS patient. ALS is usually, you know, it's a death sentence. And this guy's shaking and he can't take his hands above here. He does the process. Three weeks later, he's doing this. No exaggeration. They do type one diabetes and turn it around. Any autoimmune disease is there. And most of aging is really the breakdown of the immune system. That's why we're seeing so many cancers. After COVID and the injections, a lot of young people, it's these turbo cancers that are happening because their immune systems have been harmed. And so now everything starts to shake up. When people think about aging, it's really immune system. So the type of

• 41:51Speaker 01

  people going with alopecia where they have no hair, this woman I met her, she's got a full, and she's 70 years old, got all her hair back. It's in New Jersey and he's already at, he's on an IND. So he's on stage three, though he's gone through a stage three. He's doing a submittal and we're going to bring it to Fountain Life here because there's nothing like I've seen. There are things like that, like if you stay well, take care of yourself now, over the next five to 10 years, the kinds of transformations are going to allow us to be in a position where every year you could be a year younger, at least maintain where you are. I mean, it's not, it's not science fiction.

• 42:23Jason Calacanis?

  Freeberg talks about this all the time on the show, like we're like this very interesting generation. We're 10 years behind you, or maybe 15 in some cases, but, or even 20, actually, I think. But we're this generation that we actually might get to benefit from some of these incredible technological advancements.

• 42:40Speaker 01

  You absolutely will.

• 42:41Jason Calacanis?

  Ladies and gentlemen, Tony Robbins.

• 42:43Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 42:43Jason Calacanis?

  Bring it in.

• 42:46Jason Calacanis?

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• 44:22Speaker 05

  Besties are gone. That is my dog taking a piss in your driveway.

• 44:36Chamath Palihapitiya?

  We should all just get a room and just have one big huge orgy because they're all just pissed. It's like this like sexual tension that they just need to release somehow.

• 44:44Speaker 05

  What your B B? What your B? What your feet? B? What? We need to get merch. Besties are back.