Only 10% of Reality Is Physical: How Your Intuition Reveals the Rest | Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar

What if consciousness is far more fundamental than the physical world we see around us? What happens to consciousness when we die? And could learning to quiet the mind, strengthen intuition, and move beyond our five senses reveal a deeper reality? In this episode of Mayim Bialik's Breakdown, Gurudev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar—world-renowned spiritual leader, meditation teacher, and founder of The Art of Living—explores the nature of consciousness, spirituality, reality, intuition, meditation, inner peace, and the future of humanity. Gurudev shares what decades of spiritual practice have taught him about the relationship between the spiritual and physical worlds, including his perspective that matter represents only a fraction of consciousness. He explains why uniqueness and universality can coexist, where intuition comes from, and how we can begin opening ourselves to experiences beyond the limitations of our five senses. CONSCIOUSNESS, REALITY & THE SUPERNATURAL What happens to consciousness after death? Can human beings access something beyond ordinary sensory perception? How can we distinguish spiritual experiences and miracles from psychosis? Gurudev explores these profound questions while explaining how our understanding of consciousness may be much larger than we realize. He also discusses energy healing, how it may work, and why protecting our consciousness, especially among young people, has become increasingly important in a world filled with pressure, distraction, and uncertainty. MEDITATION, STILLNESS & MENTAL HYGIENE Why is stillness so powerful, and why do so few people actually find it enticing? Gurudev explains how even a few moments of stillness can transform our mental state and shares practical mental hygiene practices that anyone can begin using today to raise their energy, improve their well-being, and reconnect with themselves. He also explains his Sky Breathing technique and how conscious breathing can bring us into greater rhythm and harmony with the world around us. INTUITION, PURPOSE & YOUR INNER WORLD Where does intuition come from, and can you actually develop it? Gurudev shares insights into how to strengthen intuition, discover your life's purpose, reconnect with your inner child, and cultivate a more playful and joyful spirit. He reflects on recognizing his own spiritual calling as a child and how he always felt different from other children. He also explains why losing our natural sense of play, wonder, and joy can have profound consequences, and why reconnecting with that part of ourselves matters. WHY THE WORLD IS BECOMING MORE VIOLENT Gurudev discusses the growing pressure people are experiencing around the world and why increased pressure can ultimately lead to increased violence. He shares his vision for the next wave of humanity and explains why protecting consciousness, cultivating inner peace, and learning to live beyond fear and division may be essential to humanity's future. His commitment to peace is also deeply personal. Gurudev explains why he wants his legacy to emphasize his role as a peacemaker, including his work facilitating a peace dialogue that contributed to a ceasefire in Colombia's civil war, a conflict that had claimed more than 220,000 lives over 52 years. He also discusses his work with gang members and his efforts to help transform cycles of violence. LOVE, RELATIONSHIPS & SPIRITUAL GROWTH What can love and relationships teach us about ourselves? Gurudev explores the deeper wisdom hidden within relationships and explains how cynicism can limit spiritual growth. He discusses why maintaining openness, curiosity, joy, and wonder may be essential to experiencing life more fully. THE WEST IS WAKING UP TO SPIRITUALITY Gurudev reflects on the dramatic changes he has witnessed in the West surrounding meditation, yoga, mindfulness, spirituality, and consciousness. What was once considered unconventional has increasingly entered mainstream culture. But where does this movement go next, and what does humanity need now? From meditation and yoga to consciousness and intuition, from energy healing and spirituality to peace and human transformation, this conversation explores some of the biggest questions of our existence. Who are we beyond the physical body? Where does consciousness go when we die? Can we access a deeper reality beyond the five senses? And what would happen if humanity learned to protect and elevate its consciousness? Make your summer wardrobe feel easier. Go to https://www.quince.com/breakdown for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns. Upgrade your kitchen with Our Place today. 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• 0:00Speaker 00

  Intuition is there in everybody, but we don't nurture it. That's a very delicate balance of navigating from what you know to the unknown.

• 0:09Mayim Bialik?

  How do we get there?

• 0:11Speaker 00

  Many scientists are very cynical. I would ask them to be open-minded, to explore the avenue of consciousness. Consciousness is the most amazing thing in the world. It's most ancient, and yet it is ever-new.

• 0:25Jonathan Cohen?

  Medicine is starting to understand everything as a vibration, and the physical matter responds to vibration.

• 0:33Speaker 00

  We see this all the time. I see so many people getting healed. We even called our program "Healing Breath."

• 0:40Mayim Bialik?

  Guru Dev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is a globally-recognized humanitarian and spiritual leader, whose teachings have transformed millions of lives.

• 0:48Speaker 00

  It's 45 years since I'm bringing this knowledge around the world. People thought it is for people who want to have an inclusive life. Now people know yoga, meditation, spiritual practices are an integral part of wellness. Just a few minutes every day, I call it the mental hygiene. What is the purpose of my life? This indicates the maturity of the intellect. Where am I going? This very question is the vehicle for you to move forward.

• 1:16Jonathan Cohen?

  What's your vision or the next wave of humanity?

• 1:28Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Mayim Bialik.

• 1:29Jonathan Cohen?

  And I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 1:30Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to Our Breakdown. Today, we're going to be speaking to Guru Dev Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. And this is a man who has changed the lives of millions of people by turning all of the struggles that we encounter in life into something that can be celebrated and can literally change the course of not just lives, but the world itself. Guru Dev displayed an early inclination towards wisdom. At age four, he was already identified for his exceptional abilities. By age 17, he graduated with a degree in physics, bridging the worlds of science and spirituality.

• 2:15Mayim Bialik?

  And in 1981, he founded The Art of Living, which is a charitable and educational organization. He had 10 days of silence that he experienced and emerged with a transformative breathing technique that he, over the past 44 years, has used to expand his vision into 180 countries, fostering values of love, compassion, and service. And today, The Art of Living is a movement with 37,000 active program leaders and more than 1 million volunteer peace leaders all over the world.

• 2:50Jonathan Cohen?

  We had the opportunity to sit and meet with him at his center in Los Angeles. This is a rare time where we're on-site and really get an amazing opportunity to talk with him about telepathy, about intuition, about near-death experience, and about consciousness and healing.

• 3:06Mayim Bialik?

  Also, Guru Dev has provided rehabilitation for victims and perpetrators of violence. He's done incredible, incredible work. He's helped former terrorists, militant insurgents, gang members renounce violence and pursue peace in Kosovo, in Iraq, in India, and beyond. He's really, really a special, special man. And we were so thrilled to get one hour of time with him. He receives thousands of visitors when he is at his center here in America. And we literally were surrounded by an energy in the building of people who want to learn from him, to sit with his wisdom. And we're so thrilled we got to have time with him. So, kind of an unusual episode, because we filmed it in his center,

• 3:49Mayim Bialik?

  and we can't wait to share with you the wisdom of Guru Dev. And so, welcome to Our Breakdown with Guru Dev. Break it down. We wanted to start by asking you to reflect a little bit on the significant changes in the conversation around meditation, around yoga. You know, the West has really seized upon so many ideas. And in many ways, they've been marketed and, you know, taken up in a lot of ways that have complexity. I wonder if, from a positive perspective, can you give some constructive criticism about maybe what the West is missing

• 4:32Mayim Bialik?

  in this kind of renaissance, as it were, for us, of this kind of thought, intention, behavior?

• 4:40Speaker 00

  It's 45 years since I'm bringing this knowledge around the world. If you ask me to reflect back how it was 45 years back, there was a lot of prejudice against Eastern philosophy, per se, and mainly meditation, yoga. People thought that is for someone who is out there or only for people of California, not the rest of America. Of course, California was a little ahead, because there was a lot of awareness about meditation, yoga here. But generally, people thought it is for people who want to have an inclusive life, not for the mainstream.

• 5:25Speaker 00

  That was the narrative. But over the years, that has changed. Now people know yoga, meditation, spiritual practices are an integral part of wellness. And especially today, when the mental health issues are so big in the world, I see there is no other alternative than these spiritual practices. Because, you know, medicines you can rely on temporarily, for a short period of time, but on the long run, it has lots of side effects on you. And then they stop working.

• 6:07Speaker 00

  For example, let's take insomnia, depression. You know, how much presage someone can take. You know, after a while, that stops working. Then people go to psychedelic drugs. The thing is, though they get some relief momentarily, in the long term, the damage cocaine and other things have caused to their physical body and make them miserable and their families destroyed is something very, very alarming. So, there is the quest, but still, in pockets, there is some resistance.

• 6:52Speaker 00

  There is, you know, the fear of unknown. It's a fear which is not known to me. I'm not familiar with it. I don't want to do anything with it. It's not so familiar or popular. That type of prejudice have been there. Though it's much less, but still, it is there quite a bit. I would say we need these practices, yoga, meditation, spiritual practices, introduced even in schools and colleges. Education system should take care of the container, the consciousness of knowledge. You know?

• 7:36Speaker 00

  I would say the consciousness is the container of knowledge. And you're not taking care of the mind, and you're just stuffing them with information. And, you know, it becomes a tipping point for kids and for even young adults. And so, we find the violence in society on race.

• 8:02Jonathan Cohen?

  It does feel that there's more pressure. You know, kids at a younger age experience more pressure. It used to be that we would grow up in our neighborhoods. But now, with everyone feeling interconnected, the more information we have, the more pressure it feels. And so, the importance of these tools, as you say, the protection of our consciousness, the vessel that's holding our consciousness, is more important, and it's not taught anywhere. You know, most people have to receive a crisis before they start to practice.

• 8:33Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah. The preventative aspect of mental health is not being attended. When the crisis comes, only then, you know, we are taken by shock.

• 8:49Speaker 00

  But I think people are getting more and more of it. At least these days, they are talking openly without, you know, any prejudice about that. Stigma about mental health.

• 9:05Jonathan Cohen?

  I think also the importance of getting it early is that when there's the crisis, the Western mentality is, I want something that's very quick. I want to be able to like solve this problem. Therefore, we go to the pill versus having a practice. We don't have the background to reen... Like when you have to learn the practice in a crisis, it's harder than if you learn it as a tool throughout your whole life.

• 9:30Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, it has to be like a habit in life. Like you brush your teeth, call it dental hygiene. You don't say, I won't brush my teeth, you know? Like that when some of these habits, exercises, these habits are ingrained in our cell, then it becomes easy for one to take care of the mental health crisis. And one more thing I would say, today, you know, West is no longer, West and East is no longer East. That is how the social media and everything has made the world almost homogeneous everywhere. I find the scam skepticism in the East also,

• 10:12Speaker 00

  a lot of faith and insight into the consciousness, the auto world in the West also. So that sort of division, which was earlier there, very obvious and very visible, it's not there so much now, especially in the educated classes.

• 10:35Speaker 00

  Of course, people have not gone through their high school education. They live in their small areas. They have their own world. But even there, the cell phones and, you know, social media has become really, has become a big influence. People to feel connected to the whole world.

• 10:59Mayim Bialik?

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• 15:05Mayim Bialik?

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• 15:09Jonathan Cohen?

  People often go to spiritual practices for mental health, for regulation, but also to explore the nature of reality. And we speak to a lot of physicists who have had awakening experiences or who are trying to use physics to understand the nature of reality. You brought up the word consciousness. Can you talk about what your personal practice has shown you about the nature of reality?

• 15:36Speaker 00

  In the Oriental philosophy, there is no division between the spiritual and the physical. Actually, spiritual is an extension of physical, and physical is one part of the consciousness. There's this one tenth of the consciousness per se is the physical manifest world. The rest is unmanifest. You know, the Vedas themselves say that, you know, what you see is just one tenth of the consciousness. Consciousness solidified is matter, and matter in its finest realm, finest, subtlest form is consciousness.

• 16:23Speaker 00

  So there is no conflict between physics and the so-called material science and the spiritual science realm, actually. So actually, we are, in the Oriental philosophy, we count 36 elements. That first is Earth, then Water, then Fire, Earth, then Mind, Intellect, Memory, Ego, like that. It goes on. The subtler you go, you get into that field of vibrations. It's just vibration. We call it spanda. Everything is just vibrations.

• 17:08Speaker 00

  And the general vibration and special vibrations.

• 17:13Speaker 00

  General vibration is all permeating. Special vibrations are like you, me. We are all special vibrations, which are unique. So the uniqueness and universality coexisting is what the spiritual knowledge is all about. So everyone is very unique, but everyone is nothing but one part of a big ocean. Everyone is a wave of a ocean. In this sense, oneness. On the other sense, there is uniqueness. Often, people get so confused. When you say oneness, then the uniqueness must be completely gone.

• 17:59Speaker 00

  The paradox here is uniqueness coexists with the oneness.

• 18:06Speaker 00

  And this, you cannot imagine from a linear thinking.

• 18:14Speaker 00

  Linear thinking always was the black and white. You cannot say there is something more than that. You know? What I call a spherical thinking is where there is no beginning, no end, but just an appearance.

• 18:29Speaker 00

  You know?

• 18:32Speaker 00

  Fortunately, today, science is looking in this direction. It also says that Big Bang Theory is a question thing. You know, Big Bang is, you're always looking for a beginning point where there is none.

• 18:48Speaker 00

  I give a simple example for common people. When they ask me, where did it all begin? I tell them, now tell me where, which is the starting point of a tennis ball? Tell me what the beginning of a tennis ball? A sphere begins every point and ends in every point.

• 19:09Speaker 00

  So that spherical thinking takes you beyond the linear time framework that we are used to thinking or get stuck with that. Consciousness is from that spherical thinking level. That's where you can see that you can...

• 19:29Speaker 00

  The linear thing there becomes obsolete.

• 19:33Mayim Bialik?

  If matter is, let's say, one tenth of consciousness, right? In a form that we can understand or try and understand, how would you best describe the other nine tenths?

• 19:46Speaker 00

  Indescribable.

• 19:48Mayim Bialik?

  That's not fair.

• 19:51Speaker 00

  So, description depends on your knowledge and your logic. Your logic depends on your knowledge, right? And your knowledge is limited.

• 20:04Speaker 00

  So, your logic is also limited. And you need to explore to the unknown. You can't just be stuck with what you already know.

• 20:16Speaker 00

  But you can't dispense what you already know also. So, that's a very delicate balance of navigating from what you know to the unknown. And that's what silence does to you.

• 20:30Mayim Bialik?

  I was gonna ask, how do we get there?

• 20:34Speaker 00

  In the mind, we can so still and very silent. You're connected to more dimension than this one, what you think, you know.

• 20:45Speaker 00

  Yeah. And that's why whatever is in the universe is always... You know, we have heard from childhood, people have been saying that what is in the universe is in the... in an atom as well. Whatever is in the universe is present in the human body.

• 21:03Speaker 00

  But through meditation, silence, you know, that becomes a reality.

• 21:08Jonathan Cohen?

  For someone who has heard a lot, but maybe hasn't experienced this connection with silence, the ability to... or the experience of experiencing more, can you try to even like, explain or describe? What does that even mean to... for someone to go quiet and to experience other dimensions of information?

• 21:33Mayim Bialik?

  We can do multiple choice. Is it bliss? Is it peace? Is it love?

• 21:38Jonathan Cohen?

  Is it information?

• 21:40Speaker 00

  It's all that and something more. We can say that. You describe on the way you want to describe it. In fact...

• 21:51Speaker 00

  But it's much more than whatever you express.

• 21:55Jonathan Cohen?

  I have an 18-year-old, who I know would benefit greatly from just small practices of quieting of his mind. But there's YouTube and TikTok and... Do you worry that humanity doesn't have the patience for boredom and silence anymore?

• 22:16Speaker 00

  In fact, my experience is other way around. Once they get a taste of it, then they go for it. Usually, people are given the idea, "Oh, it's so difficult and it has no... it's no fun and it is so hard to do all this." That, you know, scares them. But when something is joyful, something is lot of fun, and that brings you so much of serenity within you, why would not anybody go for it? And that's why now we are present in about 185 universities in this country. 175 or 85, something like that. Universities in this country and Europe also, about 75 universities.

• 23:00Speaker 00

  In India, about 500 universities. The university, you know, grads, they can sit together, they do some breathing, they understand the value of meditation. They go into silence, they find, wow. And the wow experience is what everyone is looking. In every activity, what is that you look for?

• 23:23Speaker 00

  Sort of wow experience. Some thrill, some excitement, a love that doesn't go away, a joy that lives whatever. And when all this can be gotten with just a few minutes of diving deep within, why would not people go for it?

• 23:44Speaker 00

  One more thing, you know, we can weigh more through our vibration than through our words.

• 23:50Speaker 00

  We can talk, sit and talk about love for one hour, but the vibrations are not full of love. It doesn't mean anything.

• 24:02Speaker 00

  And when we are so busy, so uptight, our vibrations get so messed up

• 24:10Speaker 00

  and become... start to become negative more and more. We thought our knowledge, we become a source of repulsiveness.

• 24:21Speaker 00

  And when you start being repulsive yourself, then the next thing is you feel lonely.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  Neither you enjoy yourself, nor you enjoy the nature, nor you enjoy anything, you start feeling lonely. So, I would say, correct your vibrations. Make your vibrations more positive. For that, you have to invest some time. And not much, I would say. Just a few minutes every day. I usually call it the mental hygiene.

• 24:53Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah, there's a vibrational hygiene required for everyone. Like, it's a vibe check.

• 25:00Speaker 00

  Yeah, vibe check, right.

• 25:03Jonathan Cohen?

  We think about, oh, how do I feel in a certain environment? We think that it's the outside environment. We don't realize what we're contributing.

• 25:11Mayim Bialik?

  From my experience with Kundalini Yoga, we talk about clearing this space around you. And there are physical movements, right, that we make to try and incorporate that in a way that we can understand physically.

• 25:24Jonathan Cohen?

  If everything is vibration and we need to vibe check ourselves, do you have a simple practice that people can wake up every morning and start with if they haven't done this already?

• 25:38Speaker 00

  Oh, yeah, yeah. That's where the breathing technique, sky breathing technique.

• 25:42Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, can you talk a little bit about it?

• 25:44Speaker 00

  You know, the whole world is... is all rhythms. Everything is in some rhyme. The whole world, our whole nature is in a sort of symphony. There's a music in it. The seasons happen, you know, then the birds, the fauna, flora, the animals. Everything is in some rhythm. Even our body, there is an archaic rhythm in our own body, you know.

• 26:17Speaker 00

  This kriya brings that rhythm into... make you realize the harmony in you, brings the harmony in you. And in a short period of time, it takes a couple of days to learn it. Once you learn it, 10 minutes practice every day. And you practice the rhythmic breathing and meditate with that, then you find your vibrations are so good. They become so better. What you know, many times, we hold on to emotions and we feel, "Oh, I feel this way, I feel that way." And you feel sorry for yourself and so... and get upset with others. You can see, you can change your mood.

• 26:56Mayim Bialik?

  It's like he knows me. He knows all the things I do.

• 27:00Speaker 00

  You can change your mood. You don't feel helpless and desperate for anything because you have a technique with you. And doing the technique will help. And I would recommend everyone to go for that. For some silence retreat, three days, four days. Once in six months, once in a year even. That can recharge your whole body and put us back into the rhythm, you know.

• 27:28Jonathan Cohen?

  We recently heard a study. This is an intense medical study that talked about energy healing, reducing cancer in a petri dish. And I think medicine is starting to understand everything has a vibration and the physical matter responds to vibration.

• 27:50Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm sure this doesn't surprise you, that medicine is moving in this direction.

• 27:54Speaker 00

  No, not at all. We see this all the time, every day. I see so many people getting healed and... At some point, we even called our program a Healing Breath. But then I changed the name because then people are only sick, this only for sick people.

• 28:09Mayim Bialik?

  We're all sick, so that's perfect.

• 28:11Speaker 00

  Nobody acknowledges that.

• 28:14Speaker 00

  So...

• 28:15Mayim Bialik?

  As a child, it was noted that you were very precocious in your ability to touch something, right? Bigger than...

• 28:25Speaker 00

  I think I'm still...

• 28:26Mayim Bialik?

  You still, yes. But I wonder if you can give us any reflection on what you remember of the awakening that you had of an awareness of consciousness when you were small? Did it feel a particular way?

• 28:44Speaker 00

  I felt completely out of place when I was playing with my friends and they would talk about all the soccer, football, cricket and all. I would say, "What are they talking about?"

• 29:00Speaker 00

  It was difficult. Difficult in the sense, you know, I could not relate to

• 29:09Speaker 00

  some of the silly talks and small talks that people would say and blame each other, fight each other. And even when two people are fighting, I would try to go in between, try to stop them fighting. And you know what happens on that.

• 29:24Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 29:25Speaker 00

  So, those are... But I was fortunate enough to be in association with all very aware people at that time. My first teacher was one who lived with Mahatma Gandhi for 40 years. And he was Mahatma Gandhi's teacher. After Mahatma Gandhi's passing away, you know, then I was with him, you know.

• 29:51Mayim Bialik?

  Wow.

• 29:52Speaker 00

  Like that, I had many saints. You know, India is a land of saints. I had interaction with many saints. So I usually say, in my childhood, I was with all elderly people. Now I'm growing old, I'm with all young people.

• 30:07Mayim Bialik?

  That's what I was gonna ask, because a lot of people who are in touch with these parts of themselves do feel out of place. They feel like people don't understand them. It can be very lonely. It can be a place of isolation. And yeah, I was gonna ask what your relationships were like and who you kind of connected with so that you didn't feel lonely or scared.

• 30:33Speaker 00

  No, no, I was not. That was never there.

• 30:35Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 30:37Speaker 00

  I couldn't really relate to those small talks and fights and... which normally kids have. And I was not fascinated by any of the games that were... I would see the whole world looks like a game. No. What a big thing in winning a game or losing a game. If someone is lost, I would always go and console them. Don't cry, don't...

• 31:08Speaker 00

  You know, competitions are sometimes very traumatizing for kids, for young people, in schools especially, when people lose a game or they get less marks, they lose their heart.

• 31:24Speaker 00

  But there's not so much in those days. But now you can see that even more and more, in schools and colleges.

• 31:33Speaker 00

  I don't know how it's in America, but in Asian countries, it's a lot, you know? Children lose their marks or they lose a competition. Sports, they don't take sports with a sporty spirit.

• 31:48Speaker 00

  It's like a burden. Look at their faces, you know? I feel really sorry for them. Before they start the game, they are so anxious. After the game is finished, they are so... they look not so happy.

• 32:03Mayim Bialik?

  I think that's a lot of people's experience in life with their job, you know?

• 32:09Speaker 00

  That's why we know we need more and more awareness about our own consciousness and how you are a bundle of beauty and joy. Not one child is born on this planet which is as a bad child, you know? As a horrible child. Every child has come here on this planet as a bubble of enthusiasm, as a bundle of joy, bundle of joy and enthusiasm. Somewhere in the process of life, they lose it. And here, education can make a big difference.

• 32:50Speaker 00

  And enabling them in intuitive abilities, making them understand, hey, your consciousness is much more powerful. So we started this intuition program for children. We said the Art Excel Program, all-round training in excellence from kids. So they're not trained in just one thing, but just their talents, that they are able to be more talented, more skilled, and better communicators.

• 33:21Jonathan Cohen?

  We have a lot of interest in intuition, extrasensory perception. Can you talk a little bit about intuition, what that means, both for kids navigating and developing it, but also for adults?

• 33:35Speaker 00

  Intuition is there in everybody, but we don't nurture it. It's like you all have 10 fingers, but many of them don't know how to play music from these fingers. It's a matter of training, you know? If you're trained well, you can play piano. If you're trained well, you can play guitar or flute, you know? So it needs a little bit of training and a little bit of investment, investing in time.

• 34:07Speaker 00

  And our mind is cluttered with so many thoughts, and we are so stuck with impressions of the past or anxieties of the future.

• 34:20Speaker 00

  Then intuition, though it is there, doesn't work.

• 34:24Speaker 00

  So you have to cleanse that mind, you have to calm that mind. When you become steady, you realize you're hollow and empty, then intuition takes over.

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• 36:12Speaker 00

  Intuition is a very shy guy, you know? It doesn't push forward and come forward. It stays in the back. So when the ways are given to it, it just manifests. I would say people have to do some practices, meditation, breathing exercises, some silence, and with a proper step-by-step guidance, you can do that.

• 36:41Jonathan Cohen?

  Where do you think intuition comes from? Because it could be, and I'm sure there are other options, but it could be that the universe is communicating with us and that the whole collective universe has an intelligence and a plan. It could be a higher self that exists somewhere.

• 37:00Speaker 00

  You're right, you got it. It's the same.

• 37:02Jonathan Cohen?

  It's the same.

• 37:03Speaker 00

  It's the same. Higher self is nothing but this one. I would say you're the causal body of ours.

• 37:11Speaker 00

  You know, we have three bodies, the physical, the subtle, and the causal body.

• 37:17Speaker 00

  So when we are awake, we are using more of the physical body. When we are sleeping, physical body is going to rest, but the causal body is functioning. The subtle body, that's when you get dreams. But in deep sleep, we are in touch with the causal body, which is just pure energy and intelligence, and consciously experiencing it.

• 37:42Speaker 00

  That is meditation wherein you feel center everywhere and circumference nowhere. A sense of, if you want to describe it, but basically very difficult to describe.

• 37:57Jonathan Cohen?

  And is this intuition leading us with a purpose? Like, do we believe that each one of us is here for some divine dance? Is it all random?

• 38:07Speaker 00

  First of all, the question, what is the purpose of my life itself is very significant. This question indicates the maturity of the intellect. You are awake, you want to see what is the

• 38:22Speaker 00

  purpose of my life. Where am I going?

• 38:26Speaker 00

  I would say you just list out what is not the purpose of life.

• 38:31Speaker 00

  Go by negation. Because you know, the secret is one who knows what is the purpose of life will now tell you. If he is compassionate, he or she.

• 38:41Jonathan Cohen?

  Why is that?

• 38:43Speaker 00

  Because this very question is a vehicle for you to move forward.

• 38:47Jonathan Cohen?

  It has to be answered individually.

• 38:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, that will clear your ways. Every time you ask the question, what is the purpose of my life? All that which is not the purpose will start falling apart.

• 39:00Speaker 00

  So I don't want you to go to San Francisco and take away your vehicle from you, right? I don't want you to go to San Francisco without your vehicle, right? So when you want to go there to really find out for the purpose of your life, go by negation. Go, what's not the purpose of your life? And it will become so obvious, it will hit like a thunder to you and and you will see that everything is happening naturally.

• 39:34Mayim Bialik?

  Is the Michelangelo, when he was asked how he created, you know, David, he said, I took away everything that wasn't David. Right? So that reminds me of that, you take away everything that's not and what's left over. You'll have to find out. He and I know, you don't know.

• 39:52Jonathan Cohen?

  And she's not going to tell me now.

• 39:54Mayim Bialik?

  That's right.

• 39:55Jonathan Cohen?

  I think a lot of people are being pulled in every different direction because there's so much external influence, because we're looking outside of ourselves for these answers.

• 40:06Speaker 00

  Play with it all and go all over and you know.

• 40:11Jonathan Cohen?

  And see which one resonates.

• 40:13Speaker 00

  Ah, no, you will see none of those resonates.

• 40:17Speaker 00

  And with your experience then you will sit quiet and you know, you will you will explore.

• 40:24Mayim Bialik?

  This kind of work you've taken all over the world and it's had such a tremendous impact. Can you talk a little bit about this legacy of introducing a kind of meditation and a kind of perspective that has the potential to heal war, strife, conflict? Can you talk about that so people can understand this kind of global impact of your work?

• 40:50Speaker 00

  Oh yeah, you know, as I said earlier, you know, it's all about vibrations, not what you say, but what, who you are makes a difference. You know, when we resolved this thing in Colombia with the FARC, the press asked me, what is that you told them that they agreed to come for ceasefire and agreed for peace talk? That the US has tried and the European Union has tried and EU has tried, everybody has tried. They did not budge. I said, it's not what we talked, who spoke? That

• 41:31Speaker 00

  the cause of conflict you will see is lack of trust and breakdown of communication. And it's basically, both are part of human consciousness, human mind.

• 41:46Speaker 00

  When I first went to visit the FARC guerrillas, then commodores, commodores. In the beginning, they were, they said, no, don't want to talk. They don't want, they refused to even meet with me because I looked spiritual and religious in my attire. Perhaps if I had a jeans and wore a cap, it would have been a different thing, but my appearance, they said, no, we don't want to meet with you. But then I gave a talk in the Harvard, University of Havana, where they were all and they there sent two of their person to check me out. And they sat and they did a short meditation, then they said,

• 42:32Speaker 00

  you know, someone from India, they're known everywhere, so they came to, they agreed to, to make a show, the story shot. They agreed to talk with me, meet with me. But they were trying to convince me, I should convince the Rambid government to stop firing on them. But then they agreed for ceasefire and peace negotiation. They agreed to take the Gandhian principle of non-violence.

• 43:06Speaker 00

  And we have done some similar work with the the inner-city gang members in this city also, Los Angeles. We have done cities for peace where we brought together the police force and the inner-city gang members. They both did breathing meditation, they sat together and they hugged each other and you know, they understand there is a humanness in all of us. And that a gap got bridged, we did it in many cities and most interesting was in Denmark,

• 43:43Speaker 00

  where we had the drug peddlers and gang members and

• 43:48Speaker 00

  6,000 of them totally changed, you know. They, they are now doing social work, helping people out. So the Danish government has opened all the prisons, they asked us to work in all our prisons. So as I said, you know, every human being

• 44:10Speaker 00

  is born in the planet with all the positive qualities. Somewhere they, they're not nurtured properly. We have many such conflicts in India which we have been working. And I give my, the credit for this goes to all our teachers who benefited themselves and they started to teach us, volunteers everywhere and go and help people from their trauma and and the broken hearts and then, you know, disappointments and all that.

• 44:48Speaker 00

  We have also been doing this for counseling and conflicts like Ayodhya, you might have heard about the 500-year-old conflict in India about the temple and mosque problem. There also, you know, I met about 1,200 imams individually and then both sides, Hindu and Muslim sides. They all agreed to have a peaceful resolution.

• 45:19Speaker 00

  So we need more bridge makers.

• 45:26Speaker 00

  There are many who come and can break the bridges, but there are few who need to make the bridges. I think that is needed today in the world.

• 45:36Speaker 00

  And thanks to my teachers, we have 38,000 teachers, they are healing people in this way around the world. 108 countries, 180 countries.

• 45:48Jonathan Cohen?

  What's your vision for the next wave of humanity?

• 45:53Speaker 00

  I would, I expect everyone to have their own vision and go on with that.

• 46:00Speaker 00

  Be more aware, more conscious. Bring science and spirituality together. In fact, they are together, you only simply have to realize it. See, people who are stuck in their spiritual thing and I would ask them to be more scientific. And people who are very much close-minded, being a scientist, this is very important. Many scientists are very cynical. Skepticism is okay, but cynicism limits your growth. I would ask them to be be open-minded, to explore the avenue of consciousness.

• 46:42Jonathan Cohen?

  In that realm, we have, speak to a lot of scientists who have seen unbelievable experiences of what would be seen as almost unbelievable, right?

• 46:55Speaker 00

  Get it.

• 46:57Jonathan Cohen?

  Telepathy or premonitions. And we've spoken to people who have had near-death experiences and come back with the ability to have precognitive dreams. Can you tell us a little bit about some of the unbelievable things that you have experienced being around the world?

• 47:12Speaker 00

  You know, when you are stuck so much in in the five senses and visible world, you think this is all unbelievable.

• 47:24Speaker 00

  And it appears to be something oh shocking, but you know.

• 47:29Jonathan Cohen?

  But it's not.

• 47:30Speaker 00

  A kid in the street, street kids, for them a sweet is something that's very, wow, but a sweet shop owner will just feel it, okay, this is one now.

• 47:45Speaker 00

  You understand what I mean?

• 47:46Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 47:47Speaker 00

  That means, you know, this is if there is, in Heart of Living, I usually say, if there is no miracle, you must wonder why there is no miracle. Because you know, these are a part of a life and consciousness is the most amazing thing in the world. And it's most ancient and yet it is ever-new.

• 48:10Speaker 00

  And so, and that is everybody's. It's not, it doesn't belong to somebody, some culture, or some tradition, or some practices even. It goes beyond the practices. So whichever way you get access to it, that is what is important. And that is available today. You know, and we are in a very fortunate time wherein technology has aided this possibility. And scientists are having these experiences. Not that scientists in the past had never had. They must have had, but they have ignored it.

• 48:52Jonathan Cohen?

  Or they were ridiculed.

• 48:54Speaker 00

  They were ridiculed, yeah ridiculed. They sidelined it. And I really congratulate the scientists who can acknowledge this thing. And they wrote about it, they came out together. Even then, there are some skeptics, even today for those scientists. They say, oh, they must be hallucinating something.

• 49:12Jonathan Cohen?

  We spoke to a medical doctor who by her own statement said that in the past, she would have been a part of a team to institutionalize someone who experienced what she experienced. And what was the experience she had is her husband passed, and she had after-death communication with the husband. She saw him, she received messages from him. She could hear him clearly, more than just an internal voice, as though he was there. And she said, in the past, that would have been a hallucination. But all of a sudden, she began to see that the veil between this world and anyone who has gone

• 49:55Jonathan Cohen?

  is, wasn't what she thought it was.

• 49:58Speaker 00

  At the same time, I would say, there are hallucinations also happening. So it's a very thin line. It's a very thin line between hallucinating and/or psychedelic experience or the real experience, you know. So in the tradition of yoga, we call the brantidharshan. Brantidharshan is your own mind gets to the different forms and appears in front of you. You know, it's one of the nine obstacles in the path of self-liberation, meditation.

• 50:39Speaker 00

  One is brantidharshan, that you get into a sort of these experiences.

• 50:44Jonathan Cohen?

  It's a spiritual psychosis.

• 50:46Speaker 00

  Ah, spiritual psychosis. But that should not deny the existence of the true experience.

• 50:54Jonathan Cohen?

  How do we know which one is which?

• 50:56Speaker 00

  It's just like mirage. Mirage appears like water. But when you think this is mirage, and you think real water is also mirage.

• 51:03Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 51:04Speaker 00

  Then you are at loss, you see? So that's where you need a proper guidance in the spiritual path. Experts' guidance is needed, especially in that level. Then one can say, okay, look, what you had is more an imagination.

• 51:25Mayim Bialik?

  This notion that some people have access to communicating, let's say, with people who have passed. How would you describe death in terms of consciousness, in terms of our awareness?

• 51:40Speaker 00

  I usually give an example. Look, there is a TV screen. When you switch off the TV screen, nothing shows anymore. But that doesn't mean the vibrations or the waves are not there. The frequencies are there, waves are there. Our body is all like a TV screen. But you are there beyond this. And you, if not in this TV, another monitor, you will appear there.

• 52:17Jonathan Cohen?

  So that presupposes reincarnation?

• 52:20Speaker 00

  I'm going to give a talk about death and beyond soon here in Eleanna sometime later. But it's the most fascinating thing to, you know, explore, especially with a scientific angle to it. You know, I would say you are very ancient. At the same time, you are very new. Like your body, for example. Every atom in your body is very old. As old as this planet are. And yet, new cells are being born every day. Not just, let, forget about the conscious, the subtle invisible consciousness.

• 53:04Speaker 00

  Even the physical body is not solid as you think it is a solid. It is fluid, it's running. So that is what the ancient people, Rishis. Can you imagine thousands of years ago, they contemplated these things? They said about this. I mean, it's mind-boggling that how the ancient philosophy, the knowledge of Vedanta, and then the modern, they just authenticate each other.

• 53:41Jonathan Cohen?

  And we're seeing that more and more with people who have had near-death experience, with no formal education, no exposure to these ancient religions, come back with all this information that exists back in the ancient texts.

• 53:56Speaker 00

  Yeah, right.

• 53:57Jonathan Cohen?

  Where does it come from? It's just being given to them?

• 54:00Speaker 00

  It's there. You only get an access to it, you just plug into it.

• 54:05Mayim Bialik?

  I wonder if you could give us any wisdom about love and the power of love in relationships and in how we relate to each other?

• 54:15Speaker 00

  Take it for granted, there is love and it is eternal. Never question the love of your loved one. Because then you're putting the burden to prove, proof from the other person. And it is something so subtle, so serene, so strong, deep within you. And its expression may change. Just the fact that, you know, your partner is not looking at you or looking somewhere else, don't think there is no love in it. And for someone to prove their love for their partner becomes a big headache, isn't it? Yeah? How do I prove?

• 55:00Speaker 00

  How do I convince? Yeah, you are the love of my life. Just saying you are honey, you are my honey, every day, it doesn't help. I mean, so first thing is do not question the love, whether it is there or not. It may get overshadowed sometime, but then it will reveal on its own. Number one. Second is, whenever you feel that the love is diminishing, know that it's just a play of time. And wait, give enough time for that to happen, change.

• 55:35Mayim Bialik?

  Beautiful, thank you.

• 55:36Speaker 00

  Man and one for woman. This usually I give, not for you maybe. Maybe it will be useful for someone else. Men should not step on the emotions of women. At the same time, women should not step on the ego of a man. Women should nurture the ego of a man. You know, women says, you are stupid, you are dull, you have no brains. That's it. He will break up. I mean, he will break down. So she should be very skillful in handling the ego. And men, don't step on her emotions, emotional issue,

• 56:20Speaker 00

  especially concerning her family. You know, she may complain to you about her family, but if you complain, she will change the party. She will change the view, you know? So I would advise usually to them. When it comes to that, silence is best, okay? Okay, all the best.

• 56:44Mayim Bialik?

  Thank you so much, thank you, thank you.