Trump’s Social Media Advisor Reveals All: Epstein, Iran, and Mark Levin’s Israeli Propaganda

Donald Trump’s top social media advisor slams Mark Levin and other foreign influence campaigns. Alex Bruesewitz is a steadfast Trump ally who helped lead the 2024 campaign’s innovative digital and new media strategy, which is widely credited with helping Trump win a record number of young voters. Follow on X: @alexbruesewitz Paid partnerships: Dutch: Use code TUCKER for $50 off your vet care at https://dutch.com/tucker Mars Men: For a limited time, our listeners get 50% off FOR LIFE, free shipping, AND 3 free gifts at Mars Men at MenGoToMars.com VanMan: Use code TUCKER for 15% off your first order at http://vanman.shop/tucker Joi + Blokes: Use code TUCKER for 65% off your labs and 20% off all supplements at https://joiandblokes.com/tucker Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:04Tucker Carlson?

  Alex Bruce, thank you for doing this. Very nice of you to do this. So here's my perception. Here's the overview. So we're in this war. Obviously, I disapprove. Whatever. I've said that many times. Then the president decides we're getting out. And the vice president articulates how and why. And I couldn't be more supportive of that. I was thrilled by that. Thank God. And then, all of a sudden, there is this just flurry of attacks on the president, but mostly on the vice president, from people who don't have an alternative plan, but basically just calling the vice president or something like that the president names. It seemed to me, as an outsider, less fluent in the Internet than you are,

• 0:49Tucker Carlson?

  that this is coordinated. Like, what is this? What are we looking at?

• 0:52Speaker 01

  Well, it's a great observation. I believe that there definitely is a coordinated effort to put pressure on the president and the administration to continue the conflict in Iran. And I believe that there is potentially even foreign influence involved. And, you know, not just from one country. So I think it's definitely a coordinated effort. You're seeing a lot of these voices. They kind of move as a pocket. They talk about a lot of the similar issues. They oftentimes do similar paid media campaigns around other related topics. And there's also evidence of millions and millions and millions of dollars flowing

• 1:32Speaker 01

  to certain right-wing influencer marketing companies from countries who might benefit from a prolonged conflict. So I believe there's definitely a coordinated effort. Similarly, right after the war was about to end, or I guess the MOU was coming out.

• 1:50Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:51Speaker 01

  A lot of the anti-war voices were also spreading misinformation about the deal. They were pushing a line about how the United States taxpayers were somehow going to give $300 billion to Iran. And I look at people like Thomas Massey, who's been on this program. He was very quick to share the statement saying that this MOU is terrible because we're going to give $300 billion to Iran, which is not true. It never was true. It's money that can be unlocked over time. Not a single dollar will come from American taxpayers. But people like Massey were also spreading misinformation. So I think that there's a lot of coordinated misinformation being spread from pro-war

• 2:35Speaker 01

  side and also some anti-war critics as well.

• 2:38Tucker Carlson?

  Interesting. So can I just get your take on something before we proceed into the details of what you just alleged? You're alleging things, Alex Bruesewitz, which seemed true to me, but I want to know why you think it. But first to the question of the people criticizing the MOU. Okay, plenty of ways to criticize the MOU, but all of that criticism, I think, needs to be viewed in context of what the alternatives, the MOU, might be. Like, okay, maybe you don't like the MOU, but then what?

• 3:08Speaker 01

  Right.

• 3:09Tucker Carlson?

  Did any of the people in this campaign that you're describing offer like an alternative to the MOU? Like, we continue this war and then what happens?

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Right. No, there's been no alternatives offered. There's just straight criticism. It's keyboard warriors. That's what we deal with. Fortunately, their opinions have very little impact on the electorate, the populace. You know, we've seen polling from Daily Mail, Fabrizio Lee, McLaughlin, all these different polls that show President Trump's MOU is widely popular with the American people, 67%.

• 3:47Tucker Carlson?

  Actually?

• 3:48Speaker 01

  67%. And so...

• 3:50Tucker Carlson?

  The framework of a settlement deal with Iran, the 14 points that have been everywhere.

• 3:55Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 3:56Tucker Carlson?

  67%.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  67% of Americans who've been polled on that issue. Are supportive of the Trump Vance agreement. But if you look at social media, you think that nobody's in favor of it because of coordinated influence campaigns from unique actors and foreign parties.

• 4:19Tucker Carlson?

  Interesting. It makes you, I'm not actually surprised because again, you know, they're, they're offering no alternative to the MOU.

• 4:29Speaker 01

  Right.

• 4:29Tucker Carlson?

  So if there was like some way for the United States to get more, um, you know, I could, I could, you know, I could see the criticism as being valid. So I'm not surprised by that number, but I, it does make you think maybe there are other issues where our view of it is totally distorted because our view comes from social media.

• 4:48Speaker 01

  Definitely. And a lot of the press rooms, they get their stories from social media. They, they get their, the producers, they get what topics they're going to discuss in their shows from social media.

• 4:59Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, for sure.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Because they think that is what people are talking about. And some people are talking about it, but in the grand scheme of things, a very small percentage of people are talking, actually talking or caring about these issues. And so I think it's very healthy and important for Americans in our country to start pulling back from believing everything that they read on social media and start questioning a lot of the people that they're getting the information from. And on all sides of issues, there's a lot of influence and a lot of money from special interest groups, from foreign countries that have poured into internet ecosystem. And, and, you know, I don't think it's been healthy for our democracy, for our country.

• 5:45Speaker 01

  And so, you know, I've been working actually with Congresswoman Anapolina Luna and some other friends in government to maybe strengthen some disclosure laws. But there's a lot of influence ops that happen on social media. And, you know, I think if we just continue talking about the, the war in the Middle East, for example, there's an information op on the pro-Israel side and there's an information op on the anti-Israel side.

• 6:10Tucker Carlson?

  I was getting paid to be anti-Israel. I've been very critical of Israel. I've never taken a dollar from anybody. We have no investors and no debt. So I know for myself.

• 6:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:21Tucker Carlson?

  I've never, and I would never take money to give an opinion.

• 6:25Speaker 01

  So you're, so you're not Tucker Katarlsson.

• 6:28Tucker Carlson?

  I actually really like Qatar a lot, and I think the people who run it are amazing. But I've never taken any money from Qatar, and I never would. I think it's interesting to hear you say that there is anti-Israel commentary that's being funded by foreign countries. I've never heard that before.

• 6:45Speaker 01

  And it also might be funded domestically. And maybe, I'm not going to accuse anybody of taking money. That's not my position, right? But I'm an expert on social media.

• 6:58Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 6:59Speaker 01

  Early on in my career, I started my company to help conservatives communicate better on social media.

• 7:05Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 7:06Speaker 01

  And so I would identify conservatives that I wanted to work with, and I would help them grow their social media presence, oftentimes using some other people's platforms, you know, amplification or whatever. Some of those members of Congress that I've worked with in the past, Marjorie Taylor Greene.

• 7:26Tucker Carlson?

  Yep.

• 7:26Speaker 01

  I started working with Marjorie Taylor Greene. She had 2,000 Twitter followers. By the time she won her election and entered Congress that January of 2021, she had over 800,000 Twitter followers. So in probably a nine-month period, we took her from a no-name Congresswoman, or a no-name candidate, to the most, one of the most followed Republican Congresswomen in America. And I must admit, I'm slightly disappointed with Marjorie's recent pivot. You know, I think that she was slightly, she felt slightly burned that people didn't support her ambitions for higher office. She says that's not the case.

• 8:09Speaker 01

  But she went from being the president's number one defender for six years, for as long as I'd known her. She only wanted to run for Congress to get Trump's endorsement, to be Trump's number one fan, number one cheerleader.

• 8:21Tucker Carlson?

  She loved Trump.

• 8:21Speaker 01

  She loved Trump. And so I think that she was a little bit slighted by the president and the team not supporting her for either governor, or senator, or vice president, or some other ambitions that she had. And I personally also think she got bored of Congress. I think she went in with tremendous.

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Excitement. She wanted to go there and make a difference. She wanted to go there and help President Trump, you know, build the wall and deport illegal aliens and, you know, end foreign aid and do all these things. And I think she got to Washington. She realized a lot of those things are, you know, you know, the president built the wall and he stopped illegal alien invasion in our country almost 100% since he's been in office. But a lot of other things that she wanted to do, when you get to Congress, you realize it's almost impossible. And you realize that you're one of 435 people and you see people on Fox News, a congressman on Fox News, they talk a tough game. Well, I can write this letter. I can do this. I can hold this person accountable. But you realize the congressman doesn't actually have any authority. So I think she went there having a different understanding

• 9:30Speaker 01

  of, of, of how much power she could actually have and how much change she could actually make. Realized it was a system that was very difficult to change, got burned out and is now back to being a commentator.

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• 11:56Tucker Carlson?

  I think there's probably a lot of, I don't, not my job to speak for her. I think it's obviously true that she was frustrated as hell by Congress because it's frustrating as hell. I don't think she liked the leadership at all. She said that while she was there. She loved Trump, there's no doubt about that. They also had substantive, not fake, but substantive policy disagreements that are just real. There's no way around that on the war, on Epstein. Those are real things. And I think you can make a case for, you know, everyone's individual perspective. But I also think it's fair to say, we just disagree.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:31Tucker Carlson?

  And they do disagree.

• 12:32Speaker 01

  Well, I think, so you asked me how we took Marjorie from $2,000 to $800,000.

• 12:36Tucker Carlson?

  Well, how does the process work? Not just Marjorie, but like, how does the process work? So.

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Well, I wanted to explain that to you. So with Marjorie, for example, she pushed the limits. You know, she, she, the most viral ad that we did for her that campaign cycle, she was standing on her front porch in Georgia right after the Antifa riots broke out in the summer of 2020. And Marjorie, you know, she was early 40s, you know, little blonde girl, standing on her porch with a, with a gun. And she says, "My message to Antifa terrorists, stay the hell out of Northwest Georgia." And she loads a gun. That was filmed on a cellphone. Might have spent 10 minutes producing the whole thing.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  That, that, that, that video went bonkers, tens of millions of views. And then this was in the pre Elon era of Twitter and Twitter banned the video for promoting violence. Facebook banned it. But then Fox, actually, to their credit, they showed the censorship of that was happening to, to Marjorie on, on the social media platform. So she was on Fox and Friends that next morning. She was on late night, uh, she was primetime Fox layer that day. She got her accounts back and she gained like 300,000 followers off of one moment.

• 13:57Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I was, I was involved. I remember.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  And so, and so she was, and then a lot of right wing accounts started defending her. This is terrible. Go follow Marjorie Taylor Greene, go support Marjorie Taylor Greene. And these are all mega people. These are all President Trump supporters. These are all mega people. And I think that's why so many people are frustrated by, by her, her pivot. And yes, you can have policy disagreements, but I think there's a difference between having policy disagreements than making accusations. And she's not the only one. These people accusing the president.

• 14:28Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I mean, hold on. I mean, I love Marjorie. So, I mean, and that's well known. I love Marjorie Taylor Greene, and I think she's a sincere person. There, I don't understand every nuance, but I, but I do think it's an, we don't have to like come up with, we can like understand people's motives as they explain them. And she's like, I, you know, I think you should be doing this and the administration thinks they should be doing that. And like, that's fair, no?

• 14:51Speaker 01

  Sure. I definitely agree. I definitely agree that that's fair. But then there's the extra, there's the extracurriculars, there's the, and it's not Marjorie. I don't actually speak on Marjorie for this, but there's a lot of these people who used to be Trump fans and they were up, they're Trump fans up until nine months ago, 10 months ago. And they use the Epstein thing as the pretext of why they're no longer Trump fans. And I think that's incredibly unfair. I think the president is the only reason, we have Epstein files, Trump's administration in the first term arrested Jeffrey Epstein. You know, he put him in bars, behind bars, he put him in jail. And, uh, yes, he died in jail. Do I think it was a suicide? You know, I'm, I'm probably with the internet on this one, but, but.

• 15:33Tucker Carlson?

  Definitely not.

• 15:34Speaker 01

  But the president arrested him. He took him.

• 15:36Tucker Carlson?

  I agree.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  Off the streets so he couldn't hurt any more people. And then he campaigned in 2024 and people said, oh, well, Trump campaigned on the Epstein files. No, actually, he didn't campaign on that. He was asked by Lex Friedman, interesting character. He said, will you release the Epstein files? Trump said, yeah, I'd be inclined to do so. And then he did it. And guys like Thomas Massey like to take the credit for the release of the Epstein files. But during four years of Joe Biden, the Biden Department of Justice was sitting on these files. How many times did Massey tweet about Epstein? Zero. Not a single time for four years of Biden. And so a lot of people see, you know, some of these guys now, and Massey's never liked the president, like Trump endorsing

• 16:19Speaker 01

  against Massey in this election isn't the response to him being critical of Epstein. Trump endorsed against Massey in 2020. Trump's never liked Massey. And, you know, he's an acquired taste. Not everybody likes Thomas Massey.

• 16:33Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  But it wasn't a response. He didn't lash out at Massey and endorse this guy against him because of the Epstein files. He's never liked Massey. Massey's always been a thorn in some capacity. And, and, and so there was no cover up. And I think people who suggest that there was a cover up are not being honest. Could you disagree with the messaging rollout, the media rollout, the attorney, former attorney general's strategy around it? Absolutely. I wasn't particularly thrilled about the binders. I didn't, nobody knew what the hell the binders came from, all right. But the president did not participate in any cover up. In fact, he's the only reason that these documents are out. And he's also exonerated by it. There's

• 17:18Speaker 01

  three million documents that have been released. Not a single person can point to, oh, Donald Trump did something wrong. You know, the people who did do something wrong, or appear to have done something wrong are guys like Reid Hoffman. Would I like the Department of Justice to go after Reid Hoffman? Yeah, I probably would.

• 17:35Tucker Carlson?

  How about just call him in for questioning?

• 17:37Speaker 01

  I would, I would support that absolutely.

• 17:39Tucker Carlson?

  I wonder why that hasn't happened.

• 17:40Speaker 01

  Well, maybe it will. Maybe it will. But I think that, I think that this, I think giving.

• 17:50Speaker 01

  Control of the government process to a handful of hysterics on social media is bad. I think it was bad for Epstein with Epstein files. I think it's bad right now for all of the hawks who are continuing to press the administration to continue the war.

• 18:06Tucker Carlson?

  I agree with that. I would also say, though, that the Attorney General at the time, Pam Bondi, gave an interview on Fox in which she said, "I have thousands of files on my desk that show sexual abuse of kids." She said that. But that's the Attorney General of the United States, and I've always liked Pam Bondi. It's not personal, but the Attorney General says that, and then no one gets indicted for it. You're like, you're the Attorney General, you're the chief law enforcement officer of the nation. What the hell are you talking about?

• 18:32Speaker 01

  I didn't hear the sexual abuse of kids part, but I did hear her say that I have these documents on my desk. Should she have said-

• 18:37Tucker Carlson?

  Thousands.

• 18:38Speaker 01

  Should she have said that? You know, probably not.

• 18:42Tucker Carlson?

  Or maybe she should say it. By the way, I was glad that she said it. It wasn't that she said it. I want more disclosure. I want to know what the government is doing. That's my right, since I own the freaking government, not Pam Bondi. I'm a citizen. But anyway, I just, where's the follow-up? If you have the evidence, you told us you had the evidence, where are the arrests?

• 19:00Speaker 01

  Well, it's a great question, you know, and I think that a lot of people are asking the same thing. But the accusation that the president was involved in a nefarious cover-up, that's completely ludicrous. I think people like Rita Hoffman should absolutely be brought in for questioning. And perhaps it will happen. I think Rita Hoffman is one of the worst characters in America, not just for that. He was also a financier of E. Jean Carroll, if you remember her, the woman who accused President Trump of, you know, harassing her in the 80s or 90s.

• 19:31Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I'm pretty sure, I can't prove it, but I'm pretty sure that he helped suck me into a lawsuit I had nothing to do with and tried to destroy my life. I've never met the guy, I got nothing to do with him. I was just giving opinions he doesn't like. So I get it. But look, if you want people to trust the government, we need more disclosure, more follow-up. I mean, that's true of every administration, including this one, and like- I don't know.

• 19:57Tucker Carlson?

  From my perspective, it's the war.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:59Tucker Carlson?

  It's the war that I I talked to Trump multiple times about Epstein. My advice to him, which he ignored, was this has really nothing to do with you. It's like Reid Hoffman reassure people by like bringing the guilty to justice, or at least investigating it in a transparent way. Didn't happen. But I didn't really say anything about it in public. It was the war that just absolutely distressed me. And I've talked about it way probably too much already. But when Trump, you know, ate this, you know, basically said, we're going to do things we don't want to do because it's in the best interest of the country. This MOU.

• 20:33Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 20:33Tucker Carlson?

  No one wants the MOU, but it's better than the alternative. I admired that. I said so. And I immediately see these people who are like Trump's best friends, true MAGA people, like Mark Levin and the rest, like they're the true MAGA. You can't get anywhere near MAGA. You don't know what MAGA is. Okay, son. All of a sudden, they're like, Trump's a bigot or whatever. You know what I mean? Or JD Vance is an anti Semite. That's where, you know, I was like, I thought that was the most interesting thing I've ever seen.

• 21:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, it was certainly coordinated, absolutely. And

• 21:07Tucker Carlson?

  So by whom?

• 21:09Speaker 01

  It's a good question. There's people that certainly speculate. And look, I think Mark Levin, I think he's friends with the president. And maybe, maybe he's friends with the president, but Mark Levin was a guy.

• 21:21Tucker Carlson?

  Trump likes Mark Levin at all.

• 21:22Speaker 01

  Mark Levin was somebody who opposed Trump in 2016.

• 21:25Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  He actually encouraged his audience in 2016 to stay home. Don't vote in the general election. He was a DeSantis supporter in 2024. So he's not like this ultra MAGA guy. And so it's a little frustrating. Look, I I've disagreed strongly with many statements that you've made recently. And so all these coordinated accounts, right? They're saying, Alex. You call out Mark Levin, but you don't call out Tucker. Why? And I, to be honest, I think that's kind of a fair point. You've criticized the president. And I haven't called you out. And I haven't called you out for a couple of reasons.

• 21:54Tucker Carlson?

  Called me out.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  On social media. Because I know you personally.

• 21:57Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 21:57Speaker 01

  And I'd rather have a conversation with you about what I disagree, where I disagree on, in person, rather than being a keyboard warrior. I don't know Mark Levin personally, so I have a philosophy in my life. If I don't know you personally, I can hit you on social media. If I don't, I'll have a conversation to your face.

• 22:12Tucker Carlson?

  I generally agree with that.

• 22:13Speaker 01

  So, you know, early on, when the war started, there was predictions by some voices, including you, that striking Iran could lead to World War III.

• 22:25Speaker 01

  You know, voices like Ian Carroll, who's also been on the program, predicted that we put ground troops in Iran by now. Those predictions haven't, haven't materialized. And so I think, I think, you know, saying that would be important to your, to the audience. I think there's a lot of hysterics on both sides of the issue. Early on, it was-

• 22:45Tucker Carlson?

  The president threatened to eliminate the civilization of Iran, so that, that would qualify as World War III. He threatened to put ground troops on the Carg Island and mainland Iran many, many, many times on Truth Social. I've been reading it for three months.

• 23:01Tucker Carlson?

  None of that happened. I'm so grateful. I'm not a, I don't care, I don't-

• 23:06Speaker 01

  I'll just say, it didn't happen because, it didn't, it didn't not happen because of pushback of voices like Ian Carroll. And then they come out and they take a victory lap and say, see, you know, we prevented this from, nobody's listening to the grifters on the pro-war side or the anti-war side.

• 23:23Tucker Carlson?

  Well, let me just correct the record and say, I, I, I am under no illusions about my power. I don't seem to have any power to change any of it, unfortunately.

• 23:32Speaker 01

  No, I think you have a very powerful voice.

• 23:34Tucker Carlson?

  No, I don't.

• 23:34Speaker 01

  No, I, I-

• 23:35Tucker Carlson?

  I argued with Trump for a, you know, 10 years against doing this. He took other counsel. That shows you how much power I have, zero. And so I was not able to prevent this, and I don't think I had any role in ending it. So I just want you to know, like, I don't think I had any effect.

• 23:53Speaker 01

  But I, I just think that, I just think that the hysterics started off as being the, the anti-war hysterics. And maybe they had reason to be. You know, the president's position on Iran, I don't believe has changed. For 30 years, you can find statements of him saying Iran should never have a nuclear weapon. In 90 days, he delivered on that promise. He struck him. Okay, 90 days later, MOU says Iran will not seek nuclear enrichment. He never wanted to do a forever war. He never was gonna put boots on the ground. If he has to, I'm sure he will. But I don't think we have to. But, but his position hasn't changed. He also is against forever wars. He's always been against forever wars.

• 24:34Speaker 01

  So I think that doing a quick military excursion is different than, obviously, Iraq and Afghanistan and what the neocons' fever dream is. You know, Mark Levin probably wants to send a million American troops. No doubt about it. And, and, you know, the president is not about that. And so, so I think there was a lot of hysterics who, who, who just didn't know, don't, they don't know who the president is and they're acting like he was inconsistent on his positions, when I don't think he actually was.

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• 27:03Tucker Carlson?

  Can I ask you, so it was a year ago that the president and Levin were at some event and Levin goes and basically puts him in a headlock. Donald Trump is much larger, big man. Levin is a dwarfish man. So he kind of leans up and pulls him down like that. And the president, well, first of all, he's the president. Second, he's famously not the guy you put in a headlock. He's not into it. Or hug. Yeah, he's just not into it. And Levin does that. And so, and the message of course is like, you know, you're my boy. I control you, right? I was disgusted by it, but whatever. That happens. And so you look at it and you're like, okay. And then Trump tweets like, if you want to get the real truth, watch Mark Levin's lowly

• 27:48Tucker Carlson?

  rated show on Fox weekends. And so all of a sudden he just like pivots in one day and starts saying things that are true, in my view, brave. I'm cheering Trump when he says this and he's like, oh, we're out. This is too much, can't deal with it. We're going to run out of oil. You're not going to be able to get gasoline. Like that's terrible for America. We're stopping. What caused that change?

• 28:12Speaker 01

  I believe he felt the mission was accomplished. And it goes back to the fact that he is not somebody who wants forever wars. He's not somebody who wants forever conflict. He felt that he was able to deliver on his campaign promise of preventing Iran from ever having a nuclear weapon in a little over 90 days. And we have the Iranians now at the table negotiating a deal with JD Vance and our team. And I think the president is happy where things where things lay. And now he's now people on, you know, Mark Levin crowd, who were the president's biggest cheerleaders are now opposed to what he's doing because they have different, they have a different agenda for Iran.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  They have a different vision for how to handle Iran. And, and I think that's wrong, but the president's position has been consistent for, you can find videos of him in 1987 saying Iran should never have a nuclear weapon. And he was given certain intelligence, but how to take it out. And he did, and he eliminated their navy.

• 29:17Tucker Carlson?

  That intelligence did not come from the United States.

• 29:19Speaker 01

  He eliminated, he eliminated the navy. He eliminated their air force and he has got them at the table to ensure that they never have a nuclear weapon.

• 29:27Tucker Carlson?

  So, but this was my complaint for the beginning and I'm not here to defend the IC, our 18 intelligence agencies, but like, there was no American intelligence that said Iran was on the brink of building a nuclear weapon. That came from Israel and they lie and they lied to Trump. And I told him that, you know, before this started, because it was obvious. So like, why would the United States ever rely on Israeli intelligence again if they just lied us into a war that got a bunch of Americans killed and that raised gas prices?

• 29:55Speaker 01

  It's very sad to see the loss of the soldiers' lives. And I know the president was, was certainly upset about that. Look, I think that, you know, the president accomplished his, his, his goal there. And with, with the MOU, I think people are confident we're in a good spot. I think the president obviously will reserve the right to, to respond again with military action if he feels like things are going sideways. But, look, I think the president is now focused, the president is focused on domestic issues, lowering gas prices, lowering economic prices, bring job opportunities back home. I think the foreign excursions have been successful, and now it's time to focus on home.

• 30:38Speaker 01

  You know, on the Israeli point again, like, I think this proves that the president isn't a slave to Israel.

• 30:46Tucker Carlson?

  Apparently, or he's broken free, he's broken his fetters.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  You know, I don't think, I don't, I don't think the president was ever a slave to Israel, and I think characterizing it as that was, was not fair. You know, I'm friends with, eight years ago, I became friends with Bibi Netanyahu's son, Yair.

• 31:07Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 31:08Speaker 01

  He's a nice guy. There was a moment in time-

• 31:10Tucker Carlson?

  Is he fighting in Lebanon right now?

• 31:11Speaker 01

  I actually haven't talked to him in a while, man.

• 31:12Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, I think he's in Miami, but whatever, okay.

• 31:14Speaker 01

  I don't think he's in Miami. I invited him to my wedding, so for the people who call me anti-Semitic, I invited the prime minister-

• 31:20Tucker Carlson?

  They're calling you anti-Semitic now?

• 31:21Speaker 01

  They call me anti-Semitic now, so I invited the prime minister of Israel's son to my wedding, because, you know, and, and he's a friend of mine.

• 31:27Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 31:28Speaker 01

  But there was a moment in time where-

• 31:29Tucker Carlson?

  I know him, for the record.

• 31:31Speaker 01

  Where the president, after the 2020 election, and, you know, didn't have a great relationship with Bibi. Bibi was the first world leader to congratulate Joe Biden-

• 31:44Tucker Carlson?

  I remember.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  -after, after the rigged 2020 election, and I think that's made people feel, you know, a little bit different about that relationship. The president now has a great working relationship with him, but he's certainly not a slave to Bibi or a slave to Israel, and I think people who suggest that are not being fair.

• 32:04Tucker Carlson?

  I'm, look, I've been unfair many times in my life, and I've overstated things dramatically many times, and I certainly have been mean, and I really regret that, so I just want to offer another blanket apology for my bad behavior. Those are my main sins. But I still don't get it. Why if no one in your cabinet is enthusiastic about this, no one in your intel services says, yes, they're on the brink of like sending a nuclear tip to ICBM into Miami. If all of them like, that's not true. You turn and you take Israeli intelligence, which is like fraudulent, obviously fraudulent, and act on that. What is that?

• 32:45Speaker 01

  It also goes back to instincts. Again, the president has been on this position for 30 years.

• 32:49Tucker Carlson?

  And we had a war in June that he said ended the Iran nuclear program. I was, I talked to him constantly about that and he's like, no, no, we're done. We're done. And then a few months later, we're like ramping up for another war. And I was like, well, I thought we eliminated that.

• 33:03Speaker 01

  Well.

• 33:03Tucker Carlson?

  You can see why I'd be mystified.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 33:05Tucker Carlson?

  Slavery was the most obvious explanation, but maybe I'm wrong.

• 33:09Speaker 01

  It's certainly not slavery. It's certainly not slavery. I think it's the president's instincts and the president, the president wanted to do it. And so he did it. And you know, there's this report that he's telling people, I'm president and you're not. Right? So, you know, you have people on your team. Sometimes you listen to them, sometimes you don't. Sometimes you take, you want their opinion, sometimes you don't. And you know, you do it with your show. I do it with my company.

• 33:32Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree. Well, that's clearly true.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  It was the president's instincts. It certainly wasn't blackmail related to Epstein. It certainly wasn't being a slave to a foreign country. So I think that.

• 33:44Tucker Carlson?

  But I felt that I respect Trump's instincts. They made him president twice.

• 33:49Tucker Carlson?

  He's had an amazing life and I think it's been on the basis of his instincts. So I have maximum respect for Trump's instincts and for his understanding of people and for power dynamics. Like the guy has got like x-ray vision. He's not good on details sometimes, but he's incredibly precise in his big picture understanding of people.

• 34:08Tucker Carlson?

  And I felt that he went against his own instincts in launching this war. He knew the risks. He's, you know, he's not a crazy risk taker, actually. He talks a big game. This is my analysis anyway, but he's not actually that reckless, really. I mean, he's been successful. You can't live for 80 years and be that reckless, right? This was really reckless and I felt that it was, he didn't want to do it. I can't read his soul, like maybe he really secretly did want to do it. That was definitely not my impression, having talked to him a lot about it. So then I'm like, okay, you didn't want to do it. No one around you wanted to do it. Why'd you do it?

• 34:39Speaker 01

  I believe the president did want to eliminate their nuclear capabilities. And he also eliminated their ability to have a navy and an air force and a missile program. So, you know, he, he, he, he did it. And now the, the excursion, I don't even like to call it a war because it was a 90 day blip. And, and yes, we sadly lost some lives and God rest their souls. But the excursion as, as, you know, it appears to be coming to an end. And I can't imagine that these, these hysterical voices on social media are going to prolong it. So.

• 35:17Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, I mean, that's, that's really it. I mean, I've given my, we differ in our analysis of the war, but I don't want to argue about it. What I want to understand is how public opinion on the question is shaped. And you're one of the experts on this topic.

• 35:34Speaker 01

  We'd love to dive in on this one.

• 35:35Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, so, um, and by the way, if you ever discover that anti-war sentiment is being funded by a foreign power, text me because I'd love to know who's paying for it, how I can get on that payroll.

• 35:48Speaker 01

  I think you're doing okay. The studio is great.

• 35:50Tucker Carlson?

  It's so fun. This is our, we had this long before the show. This is just our family barn, but, um, uh, so there's that. But I certainly, the let's prolong the war on behalf of the Netanyahu regime. That does seem to be funded by somebody because that's not an organic position in the United States. There's not, as you said, 67% in favor of the MOU. So I feel like there's a ground swell of public support for following this lunatic path even further. So who is paying for that?

• 36:21Speaker 01

  That's a great question. And, and for getting foreign influence out of the political ecosystem, specifically online is a very, it's a passion project of mine.

• 36:31Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 36:32Speaker 01

  You know, I am Trump social media guy. That's what I'm branded in the press. So you can only imagine the type of money that these countries and other companies have tried to throw at me. I do not take any foreign money. I don't take any money from the Gulf countries. I don't take any money from India. I don't take any money from Russia, China, no, no foreign countries.

• 36:54Tucker Carlson?

  How much did you make if you wanted to?

• 36:57Speaker 01

  I've probably rejected close to $20 million in contracts over the last 15 months.

• 37:02Tucker Carlson?

  Damn.

• 37:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:03Tucker Carlson?

  How old are you?

• 37:04Speaker 01

  I'm 29.

• 37:05Tucker Carlson?

  That takes some restraint.

• 37:07Speaker 01

  So, you know, it's, uh, I've, I've had some, I've had a really interesting career. I've made some money. I made no money. I made, you know, and I'm not really focused on money. And, and I think that's what separates me from a lot of my colleagues who are competitors, if you will, in Washington. However, I've actually never shared this publicly. In June of 2025, mid-June, shortly after the first Iran strike happened, I got a message from a friend and he texted me when I was in, at an airplane. He said, Alex, great news from Israel. And I want to read the message so I don't, so I don't butcher anything that was said.

• 37:53Speaker 01

  At 2:47 on June 16th, 2025. Good news from Israel. They have budget for the American market to make a strategy and social network against Iran. I talked about you and they want to work with you. It is through a foundation. Call me when you can and I'll tell you all of the details. I said, I appreciate you thinking of me. Likely can't get involved with this one.

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• 39:58Speaker 01

  So in June of 2025, it is documented that an Israeli foundation wanted to hire me an American social media strategist.

• 40:10Tucker Carlson?

  Trump's social media strategist.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  Trump's social media strategist to help disseminate information related to Iran. I never got on the phone call, so I don't know exactly what they were looking to get amplified, but I didn't do it. You know, and, and so...

• 40:26Tucker Carlson?

  What was the foundation, do you know?

• 40:28Speaker 01

  The, the foundation was never specified. However, two months later...

• 40:36Speaker 01

  An organization ran run by President Trump's former digital guy who the president hasn't talked to in six plus years, Brad Parscale, ended up filing a FARA contract with the state of Israel for $1.5 million a month. A month? A month, which in comparison, Brian Ballard, who is potentially the top lobbyist in Washington DC, charges the country of Saudi Arabia $60,000 a month. Brad Parscale has no experience being a lobbyist, and he certainly isn't selling access to the president because the guy's got zero access to the president.

• 41:20Speaker 01

  So two months after I was reached out to, to work on an Israeli social media campaign related to Iran, Brad gets this social media contract with Israel, paid through by a German entity called Havas Media Group. Hmm. And I'm going to read you a part of Brad's initial FARA filing related to his deliverables for this particular contract. It says, quote, "Production and delivery of a minimum of 100 root creative assets per

• 42:04Speaker 01

  month, spanning video, audio, graphic, and written formats. Creation of 5,000 monthly variants of creative. At least 80% of content is tailored to Gen Z audiences across platforms, including TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, podcasts, and other relevant digital and broadcast outlets. Integration..." Oh, here's the kicker. "Integration of narrative messaging into Salem Media Network properties and aligned distribution channels." And then lastly on this section, "Paid media campaigns delivering a minimum of 50 million

• 42:45Speaker 01

  impressions per month with a target average CPM under USD $2 across the combined budget pool." So that's what the FARA filing says.

• 43:01Tucker Carlson?

  Wow.

• 43:02Speaker 01

  That's what it says.

• 43:04Tucker Carlson?

  And so that means that the Israeli government is paying Brad Parscale to spread its propaganda in the United States through various vectors, most of whom are MAGA influencer types.

• 43:16Speaker 01

  So it doesn't specify MAGA influencer types actually in that contract? I just don't know what he's getting paid 1.5 million a month for. And then actually, the most recent report that I saw on Twitter, on X, sorry, sorry for dead naming it. Yeah, it's very, it's very offensive. Uh, let's see. This was reported by a gentleman named Nick Cleveland Stout. Never heard of this guy. But he sent an updated filing that he found from, that shows the Israeli government is now paying former Trump campaign manager and Salem media executive Brad Parscale $46 million in one year. And he also adds, for some perspective, Saudi Arabia pays Ballard, one of the most connected

• 44:01Speaker 01

  firms in Trump's Washington, 60,000 a month.

• 44:05Tucker Carlson?

  Forty-six million?

• 44:07Speaker 01

  That's what it says.

• 44:09Tucker Carlson?

  So who's on Salem Media Network?

• 44:11Speaker 01

  Well, so I don't want to speculate or accuse anybody.

• 44:15Tucker Carlson?

  No, I just want, because the fair filing says, but we'll disseminate our propaganda through Salem.

• 44:20Speaker 01

  That's what it says, right?

• 44:21Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  So Josh Hammer, I'm not sure if you're familiar with him. He's a very, um, he's got a very low rated podcast. He's, I think he's a columnist.

• 44:32Tucker Carlson?

  I've never heard of Josh Hammer until that he started hassling Charlie Kirk, but yeah.

• 44:36Speaker 01

  He was a big DeSantis supporter. He's at Salem Media Network. He's one of the loudest critics against the Iran war. You have people like Larry Elder, which is surprising, you know, because Larry Elder is typically a pro-Trump cheerleader. He's been very critical of the Iran war. There's a lot of other of these radio hosts who are syndicated on Salem, who have been opposed. Hugh Hewitt, obviously, but Hugh, you know, Hugh's always appreciated war, to be honest. So I don't think his positions have changed.

• 45:09Speaker 01

  So it says right there in the contract in this initial filing that he's integrating messaging into Salem properties. Salem also owns Red State, Town Hall, Podcast Network. They also have an influencer network. So like, I would love to know what Brad is actually doing with this money. You know, there's, you know, there's, I know certainly the part of the project is to help coach AI chatbots into being more pro Israel, less anti-Semitic.

• 45:41Speaker 01

  And, and, you know, look, I think the anti, I think there has been a rise of antisemitism in the country. You might disagree with me. I think antisemitism is high. It's wrong. You know, I see some, some incidents in Brooklyn. I think it's wrong. I think hate against any religious group.

• 45:57Tucker Carlson?

  I couldn't agree more. I've said that many times.

• 45:59Speaker 01

  So I'm not opposed to.

• 46:01Tucker Carlson?

  Opposing BB's foreign policy is not antisemitism.

• 46:03Speaker 01

  I'm not opposed to Brad getting paid to combat antisemitism. But what does that mean?

• 46:09Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's it. What does that mean?

• 46:10Speaker 01

  What, what are the deliverables?

• 46:12Tucker Carlson?

  Anti-white hate is encoded in the US legal code. When hate against white men is like the foundational fact of college admissions, federal contracting, hiring, and we're spending all of our time worried about whether people are being rude to Bill Ackman. Like, this is just a misalignment. This is not reality. Okay?

• 46:33Speaker 01

  So I also want to just add for context to the viewers and the people who are going to clip this, that Israel isn't the only country that is paid for influencer support in America.

• 46:41Tucker Carlson?

  I'm sure that's right. Ukraine has paid a ton.

• 46:44Speaker 01

  You know, there was recently a field trip with a bunch of right-wing influencers, if you will, who visited Russia. So I don't think that they paid for that trip out of their own pocket.

• 46:53Tucker Carlson?

  I don't know.

• 46:54Speaker 01

  And so, you know, they went to Russia, they go hang out with the Russians and whatever.

• 46:58Tucker Carlson?

  You should pay your own.

• 46:59Speaker 01

  I don't have particular issues with people visiting a country.

• 47:04Tucker Carlson?

  Right.

• 47:04Speaker 01

  My issues lie in, do you visit the country and then change the way you, you speak about the country or use your platform to talk about the country? You know, Qatar had a similar situation during December. Some influencers who are, used to be opponents to Qatar, they flew to Qatar in December, and then they did some beautiful posts about Qatar. I also think that's wrong. My position is, if it's Israel, if it's Qatar, if it's Russia, if it's China, if it's India, you should not be able to pay. I don't think Qatar paid the influencers. I think they came on a trip and then they posted nice things about the country. I still think there should be some level of disclosure around

• 47:45Speaker 01

  that. I don't care what country it is. You should be disclosing if you are in any way, shape or form promoting the interests of another different country.

• 47:55Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's right.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  The, my focus recently has been on Israel because of this massive contract that, that they've engaged in with Brad, that nobody knows what the hell he's doing with the $46 million.

• 48:09Tucker Carlson?

  So I texted him to find out because a lot of that money has gone to attacking me and my family, which obviously I resent, though I try not to think about it too much. Don't want to become what they call you. But anyway, he never, I know Brad, per scale, I've always felt sorry for him.

• 48:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:23Tucker Carlson?

  I still do. He's troubled man. But I did think he would at least respond to my text. He didn't.

• 48:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:30Tucker Carlson?

  So I, have you called him?

• 48:32Speaker 01

  No, I haven't called him and he hasn't called me. He responded to one of my tweets. He responded to my tweet saying that, because I asked him, I said, hey, hey Brad, like, what's up with this? Why are so many Salem Media personalities trashing President Trump's war? Here's, here's the FARA filing saying that you're going to integrate messaging into Salem Media properties. And Brad responded, you know, Brad responded to me and he said,

• 49:01Speaker 01

  Alex, I actually want to thank you for bringing this up. I don't know who pissed in your Cheerios this morning, but what you're looking at was an original draft, not what happened. We never executed that plan. We never paid hosts or influencers to say anything. That's the beauty of FARA. The receipts exist. Well, the only receipt that exists right now is Brad's initial contract, where it says, point blank, we're going to integrate messaging. So he's saying he's not doing it. So what is he doing? With this forty six million dollars. What and and

• 49:34Tucker Carlson?

  You're in this business.

• 49:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:36Tucker Carlson?

  Obviously, you're one of the most famous people in the business. You may be the most famous person in the business. Have you ever heard of anybody getting forty six million dollars from a single client?

• 49:45Speaker 01

  No, and and even his one point five million a month is initial FARA filing. I believe is the single largest FARA, uh, single FARA filing for one entity in history.

• 49:56Tucker Carlson?

  Really? I have no perspective.

• 49:57Speaker 01

  So, okay, so that's that's crazy. If you ask ChatGPT or whatever chat platform you use, I prefer Grok, to be honest.

• 50:03Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 50:03Speaker 01

  You know, because I trust Elon more than I trust Altman. But, uh, but I asked Grok, what's the largest FARA filing for one entity to date? And it came back with some nine million dollar contract that I think Nigeria paid. I don't know what the hell Nigeria needs to do, but you know, they paid it. So one country, nine million dollars. Brad's initial contract, one point five million a month, you do the math, was at fifteen million a year. Now it's up to forty six million, according to a recent report. And again, they're not paying him for his relationships in the White House. I don't think Brad Parscale could get a meeting in the West Wing to save his life. Specifically, not in the Oval Office. You know, I I don't think people still remember what he did during the twenty twenty election. Okay.

• 50:49Speaker 01

  And but he's going around different countries. And if you pull up his website, it's called clocktowerx.com. It he spells out exactly the services that his company offers. And so, you know, I think that he should clear the air on the on the services that he's providing for these foreign countries. I'm gonna go to his website right now. Clocktowerx.com. It starts off with a header that says narrative infrastructure. The system already shapes what people believe. We help determine who prevails. Elections, narratives, markets, we don't react, we shape the conditions they operate in.

• 51:32Speaker 01

  Talks about how they've had two billion dollar plus in influenced outcomes. No clue what that means. Says that they work in ten plus countries, they're deployed in ten plus countries.

• 51:42Speaker 01

  Then it says, "If you've heard about our work, it wasn't ours." And then it gets into some of the services that they offer. They offer narrative intelligence, continuous monitoring of the information landscape to identify leverage points before competitors, audience segmentation, behavioral mapping across millions of data points to identify the nodes that move markets, message testing, here's one, influencer ecosystems, managed networks that amplify narratives through credible distributed voices. That's on this guy's website that he gets paid millions and millions of dollars.

• 52:20Tucker Carlson?

  Forty-six million, yeah.

• 52:21Speaker 01

  So, right there, on his website, influencer ecosystems. So I think Brad should, you know, if he's doing it, I think it's wrong. I can't say for definitively that he's doing it, but these are the services that are offered on the website, cross-channel distribution, performance analytics, you know, and so...

• 52:41Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I must say, I've noticed that every Salem Media property that I'm aware of has the same view. You know, "More war is good, I'm an anti-Semite," you're, both, those are two lies, by the way, not an anti-Semite and war is not good. You're an anti-Semite. They all have the same view. Now, maybe it's just that every Salem host or influencer, or whatever they're calling themselves, is like crazy in exactly the same way, but maybe there's more to it than that.

• 53:12Speaker 01

  Maybe, maybe. And a lot of these same influencers have been, you know, organized against you for the last couple, for like the last year, consistently against you for the last year. A lot of these, this one account, for example, named Yael Yakobi, I'm not sure, you probably have never heard of this kid, but all he does every day is he tweets about you. The only time I see any of your clips... Are on the accounts of people attacking you.

• 53:46Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 53:46Speaker 01

  I, you know, I don't watch, you know, similar to you, I don't really watch podcasts.

• 53:50Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 53:51Speaker 01

  You know, but the only time I see people's clips are people attacking you. Your clips are when people are attacking you. Yoyakobi, I was looking this morning.

• 54:00Tucker Carlson?

  Who is he?

• 54:01Speaker 01

  You know, it's just some influencer, if you will. And none, these are non-influential influencers, I call them. But I, he certainly is involved in, he's certainly been paid for some of his tweets. Do I know that he's been, do I know that he's been paid for tweets against you or against the Iran war? I can't say that for certain. But he was not honest, he's not honest about tweets that he is paid for. And then, and so, so would I be shocked if he was paid for some of? I don't know, but he's tweeted about you probably 1,200 times.

• 54:38Tucker Carlson?

  Seriously?

• 54:39Speaker 01

  Yes, in the last eight months.

• 54:41Tucker Carlson?

  All complimentary?

• 54:42Speaker 01

  No, no, all negative, unfortunately for you. But, you know, and look, I agree with some of his criticism. I don't think it's, but I don't see it organic. People, you know, he's one of the loudest voices who keeps tagging me on posts.

• 54:55Tucker Carlson?

  Uh huh.

• 54:55Speaker 01

  Alex, you criticized Mark Levin, why don't you criticize Tucker? Well, I criticize you to your face here.

• 55:00Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  But.

• 55:01Tucker Carlson?

  You hurt me, man.

• 55:01Speaker 01

  But all of these social media accounts that have been targeting you are not targeting me. And they were targeting JD Vance when he appeared on Megyn Kelly's show. Because, oh, how dare he go on Megyn Kelly's show, that's what they said.

• 55:13Tucker Carlson?

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• 56:55Tucker Carlson?

  But isn't this exactly why we all voted for Trump in 2016, 2020, and 2024? Because we don't like cancel culture? The idea that if I don't like you, no one is allowed to talk to you? That's a left-wing idea, or I thought it was. Turns out it's like a human idea, but I reject it just the same. But Trump was elected in November of 2024. That was like 20 minutes ago.

• 57:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:15Tucker Carlson?

  And within just months, all of a sudden, you had the Josh Hammers of the world, who I'd never even heard of.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:21Tucker Carlson?

  Saying that if I don't like somebody, nobody's allowed to talk to him because he's got naughty intentions, or he's a bigot of some kind, or whatever. How is that any different from screaming racist?

• 57:30Speaker 01

  You're right.

• 57:31Tucker Carlson?

  It's the same thing.

• 57:32Speaker 01

  Right. And that's why I'm here. Because, you know.

• 57:35Tucker Carlson?

  But are you shocked by this, though? What the hell?

• 57:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, these people aren't the most honest dealers and brokers. You know, I'll say this. One of the people who's been the loudest on this issue is actually a friend of mine, Laura Loomer. I have not liked seeing a lot of the vitriolic messages towards Loomer, people calling her, you know, mean names. I know that she dishes it out as well, but she's a friend of mine. And during the 2024 election, everybody kept telling us, disavow Loomer, disavow Loomer, she's bad news, disavow. I wouldn't. And they would put pressure on me. Are you friends with Laura Loomer? I'd say, yes, I am. Oh, do you think she's trouble? No, I think she's actually a very good ally to us when she's focused. And so I would never

• 58:24Speaker 01

  disavow Loomer. Similar, I would never disavow you because you've been good to me. I consider you a friend.

• 58:32Speaker 01

  It's okay to be, have different opinions. I think telling people that they shouldn't have conversations with people or telling people that you should disavow someone, I'm not about that life.

• 58:44Tucker Carlson?

  Not just telling, but demanding that it's the price of your good name. That how dare you talk to this person at dinner with this person and if I find out that you do, I'm gonna hurt you.

• 58:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 58:55Tucker Carlson?

  That's the definition of witch hunt. That's what the George Floyd era was about. That's Black Lives Matter. That's everything I despise. And to see it happen among people I know who I thought I agreed with is like the most shocking thing that's ever happened to me. Since when did all the neocons just become flat out like college level liberals?

• 59:14Speaker 01

  They have been that way for at least my entire adult life.

• 59:19Tucker Carlson?

  I guess you're right. I, right, this is a process of me losing my name to say, I guess.

• 59:23Speaker 01

  Those particular characters. But no, I won't disavow Lumer. I won't criticize Lumer. Even if I disagree with her, I'm not gonna take to Twitter and say, hey, Lumer, I think you're off base and you know, you're wrong, wrong, wrong. Same with you. Like, if I have an issue with you.

• 59:38Tucker Carlson?

  For the record, I would never attack someone's family or daughter-in-law.

• 59:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:42Tucker Carlson?

  So I think that that, I just wanna say in reference to no one in particular. That attacking people's families for crimes they had nothing to do with, just because they're related to someone, suggests a view of the world based on blood guilt, which is not a Christian view. It's disgusting, it's a North Korean view. We don't, we don't punish people's families.

• 1:00:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think that's, I think those are low. And you know, when I was, I was actually a big defender of Buckley when he was facing some of those attacks.

• 1:00:11Tucker Carlson?

  But just like not having anything to do with me or my family, just in general as a principle, because what matters are principles. It's not about what you do to me, it's about what you do or what I do. We're all held to the same standards because there's one God.

• 1:00:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:22Tucker Carlson?

  And those standards apply to the Israelis and they apply to the Russians and the Ukrainians, they apply to me, they apply to you, they apply to every human being, all of us created by God. And one of the core standards is you do not punish the innocent, ever. That is the basis of all justice. You punish people who commit crimes, you do not punish people who don't, no matter who they're related to. The Israelis reject that view. That's what they're doing in Gaza. They're killing people because they're Palestinian. The North Koreans did that. I think the US has done that over the years. It's always wrong, it doesn't matter who does it. And I just feel like that is that principle, that one specific principle is the basis of our country. That's why we welcomed all these people from random countries. We're like, you may be from a country we hate, but like, are you a good person? That's all that matters. It's the

• 1:01:06Tucker Carlson?

  content of your character that matters. And if we give that up on the right, then the whole country is gone. That's all I'm saying.

• 1:01:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm strongly against targeting innocent people and I'm targeted against targeting family members.

• 1:01:19Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  And to be honest, that's why I find a lot of the attacks on Erica Kirk to be repulsive.

• 1:01:24Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree.

• 1:01:25Speaker 01

  There's a lot of people who have made a name for themselves on social media by spreading certain theories about Erica. And I think Erica is a good person. She's a friend of mine. I've known Erica for, for almost as long as she's probably known Charlie. And I was with her a few weeks ago in Palm Beach and you could see that, you know, the attacks affect her and they hurt her, but she keeps moving forward. So I think that, I think having vitriolic targets on families is certainly wrong.

• 1:01:57Tucker Carlson?

  Certainly you can't punish people for something they didn't do.

• 1:01:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:00Tucker Carlson?

  It's just that simple. That's why segregation is wrong. That's why the anti-white racism that dominates American life is wrong. That's why antisemitism is wrong. That's why any worldview that punishes people who didn't commit a crime is always and everywhere wrong. And that would include attacking people's families if they didn't do anything.

• 1:02:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:20Tucker Carlson?

  You know what I mean?

• 1:02:21Speaker 01

  That's true. Anyway, that's why also, you know, like the blanket like Jew haters. There's, you know, there's people who are critical of Israel and then there's people who like tweet things like totally anti-Jew things. I think the anti-Jew, the Jews control everything crowd, I think they are, I think they're not the brightest as well.

• 1:02:44Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, look, attacking people for things they didn't do is wrong, period. I would like this administration to take the anti-white stuff seriously and stop lecturing me, telling me that antisemitism is the biggest problem in America. It's not. You have a much tougher time getting into the Ivy Leagues, you would not know this from the behavior of the Justice Department, if you're white than if you're Jewish. So that's a fact. It's provable that these numbers came out in court. And like, it's unfashionable to say that. I don't care. And by the way, if Jews or blacks or Filipinos or anybody was being discriminated in the way that whites are being discriminated against, I would be opposed to it vocally, and I'm opposed to it.

• 1:03:19Speaker 01

  Well, if you look at a lot of the job creation in our country, a lot of the new jobs have gone to natural-born white Americans in the Trump presidency.

• 1:03:28Tucker Carlson?

  I don't know those numbers. I don't know if that's true.

• 1:03:31Speaker 01

  Also, I don't know if I want more Americans going to universities.

• 1:03:33Tucker Carlson?

  I just think, all I'm saying is, as a principle, this is the core principle of America, that you are judged by who you are as a person, not by the group.

• 1:03:42Speaker 01

  I don't think that the administration is overly prioritizing the protection of Jewish communities.

• 1:03:47Tucker Carlson?

  Are you joking?

• 1:03:48Speaker 01

  I don't think that.

• 1:03:49Tucker Carlson?

  Have you listened to Leo Terrell recently?

• 1:03:51Speaker 01

  That's Leo's job.

• 1:03:53Tucker Carlson?

  His job? Is there an anti-black czar? Is it anti-black racism? Is there anti-white racism? This is insane.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  I think there should be, you know? Maybe there should be.

• 1:04:02Tucker Carlson?

  How about we just treat everybody the same?

• 1:04:04Speaker 01

  So, I agree with you on that point, but I don't think that the Department of-

• 1:04:07Tucker Carlson?

  That's just identity politics.

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  I don't think that the Department of Justice is, think, wakes up in the morning and thinks, "How can we personally protect Jewish Americans over-"

• 1:04:17Tucker Carlson?

  Yes, they do. Are you joking?

• 1:04:18Speaker 01

  I don't think-

• 1:04:18Tucker Carlson?

  There's been, they reached a settlement with, look, I just want to be clear, as clear as I've been all along, that I oppose any kind of discrimination on religious grounds and on secular humanist grounds.

• 1:04:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:30Tucker Carlson?

  It's just wrong. Always judge the person, not the blood type. However, they went after Harvard and Yale and Columbia and Cornell and Princeton and Dartmouth, the Ivy League. On the basis of antisemitism, to the extent they're antisemitic, they should not get federal money. I totally agree with that. But everybody knows, because it's been proven that the barrier at those schools is being a white, Christian male.

• 1:04:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:58Tucker Carlson?

  And no one mentioned that.

• 1:05:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:05:00Tucker Carlson?

  So it's like, what the hell are you doing? You're telling me, I live in a world and have for 57 years in this country where being a white male is a disadvantage in official America in hiring, federal contracting and school admissions. And no one says anything about it?

• 1:05:15Speaker 01

  That's fair. That's fair. I think that obviously they've probably also prior, they also discriminate against Asians at the-

• 1:05:21Tucker Carlson?

  100%, which is totally wrong.

• 1:05:23Speaker 01

  It is wrong. And I mean, David Hogg got accepted into Harvard. That's how you know that the institution failed.

• 1:05:27Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. Bill Ackman went to Harvard. The guy's a moron.

• 1:05:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, but-

• 1:05:31Tucker Carlson?

  How do these people get into Harvard?

• 1:05:33Speaker 01

  I think that higher education totally needs a overhaul and I don't encourage young people to go-

• 1:05:39Tucker Carlson?

  I, of course, you know, I agree with you passionately, strongly, but I just think even more important than overhauling college is reminding every American that you're judged on your own merits. Period. And to the extent the federal government, we have laws on the books. We have a civil rights division that's supposed to be enforcing this, which is not making it a priority. I'm sorry. Sorry, they're not. And I got a call today from someone in the administration, well, stop, you know, they're doing some work. It's like, they could end it tomorrow. We will not allow discrimination in our country, period, no matter who you are. Whether you're black, Jewish, white, Asian, doesn't matter. And they won't do it because their donors are single-mindedly focused on one of many forms of discrimination, which is not the most prevalent form.

• 1:06:23Tucker Carlson?

  So I'm pissed. And I'm going to keep saying this until they change their ways.

• 1:06:27Speaker 01

  Well, I'm not going to tell you to stop.

• 1:06:31Tucker Carlson?

  So, sorry, sorry. I was just like, I had this like furious text exchange with some of the administration's words, like, we're doing stuff. I was like, this is one problem we could actually solve. No more discrimination. It's totally unchecked on the left, too. They're always like lecturing about white men.

• 1:06:47Speaker 01

  Definitely. I mean, the, the, the left is certainly-

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  The worst offenders at that.

• 1:06:53Tucker Carlson?

  Just openly racist.

• 1:06:54Speaker 01

  Right, they are openly racist and they're proud of it. And so I think that's why, you know, we're talking, I know that you said you're leaving the Republican Party.

• 1:07:01Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:01Speaker 01

  Which, you know.

• 1:07:03Tucker Carlson?

  I wanna come back.

• 1:07:04Speaker 01

  I understand your frustration with the party. I had the frustration all the time as well. I'm frustrated right now. I'm sitting here on this podcast while the Senate refuses to pass the Save America Act.

• 1:07:13Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly.

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  That would enforce voter ID. But we're doing.

• 1:07:16Tucker Carlson?

  That's not hard. Why can't they do that?

• 1:07:18Speaker 01

  Well, maybe they don't wanna save our country. So maybe they don't wanna save our country, but we're doing the best.

• 1:07:23Tucker Carlson?

  Can I just ask you a question? Why, that's such an easy one.

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:27Tucker Carlson?

  That's a party that I strongly share with the administration. Like, why not have voter ID if you're gonna be a country who chooses leaders through elections like?

• 1:07:34Speaker 01

  Right. I think this might be the most common sense piece of legislation that's ever come through the Senate. But for whatever reason, there's obstruction to it.

• 1:07:41Tucker Carlson?

  But who's obstructing it? Do you know?

• 1:07:43Speaker 01

  Well, we have a leader in the Senate who just can't get the job done. And maybe he can get it done, but he hasn't shown that he can get it done and he hasn't really made it a priority. I think this is a major priority for Republican voters. It's a major priority of President Trump, who is the only reason that we have a Republican-controlled Senate. And we have a Republican-controlled Congress. And I think oftentimes Republicans forget that and in Congress, they forget that. The only reason the Republicans have any power in Washington DC is because of Donald Trump and the MAGA movement. And time and time again, Congress drops the ball. And so I hear your frustration.

• 1:08:15Tucker Carlson?

  That's it. Like, you vote for Republicans, they can't even get a voter ID law passed.

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  That's why, that's why the primaries are so important. And we're working in the primaries. We took out Tillis, we took out Cornyn, we took out Cassidy. We're taking out some of the weakest Republicans on our team. And so the primaries process is where I believe that, that people like you should be taken out. You're, I just think you've gotten behind some of the wrong candidates. I think like James Fishback, by the way. That guy tried to scam me. James Fishback hit me up, asking me for $50,000 into an investment fund. Before he was LARPing as a presidential or governor candidate.

• 1:08:51Tucker Carlson?

  You don't like Fishback, but I like him, but I don't know that much about him. I just don't think that the state of Florida should be limiting the First Amendment, the God-given First Amendment rights of Floridians because Israel demands it, which is exactly what they did. That's not acceptable under any certain, my family's been here for like 400 years. Like, I'm not gonna stand by and let that happen without saying something about it, period.

• 1:09:13Speaker 01

  I hear you. I hear you on that. There was probably a different candidate you got behind than Fishback because. That guy's bad news and he's not an honest person.

• 1:09:22Tucker Carlson?

  I don't, I don't know.

• 1:09:24Speaker 01

  And I think you have a massive platform. When you put your platform to use and with you took out, you helped take out Dan Crenshaw. So I thank you for that. And President Trump didn't endorse Dan Crenshaw. So we've used this primary.

• 1:09:34Tucker Carlson?

  He didn't endorse that creepy fat guy from Florida who endorsed genocide, who laughed at a picture of a dead child in Gaza. That disgusting, I can't even remember his name, but he's that.

• 1:09:44Speaker 01

  He was the only candidate that ran in that seat.

• 1:09:46Tucker Carlson?

  Why not get someone new? Like, why would you endorse that guy? That's why I said you're gotta be a slave to Israel.

• 1:09:50Speaker 01

  But now you have the flip side. You have Dan Bilzerian, right? We have two extremes running that race, both I don't agree with. Okay. So we have Dan Bilzerian, maybe one of the people who's helped bring the generosity to young men in America more than anybody.

• 1:10:04Tucker Carlson?

  I don't know about that.

• 1:10:05Speaker 01

  And Randy Fine, you know, maybe we.

• 1:10:07Tucker Carlson?

  Randy Fine, sorry, excuse me.

• 1:10:08Speaker 01

  Maybe we need some better choices. Florida's been a great state for a long time. In my opinion, it's kind of hard to F Florida out. Florida's got low.

• 1:10:14Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, it's totally possible.

• 1:10:15Speaker 01

  It's got low taxes. It's got beaches. It's got great weather.

• 1:10:18Tucker Carlson?

  Make it crowded and you'll destroy it.

• 1:10:20Speaker 01

  I think, yeah. I think that, I think that's been a major, I think that's been one issue.

• 1:10:25Tucker Carlson?

  Let the developers run the state.

• 1:10:27Speaker 01

  But this is happening under DeSantis.

• 1:10:28Tucker Carlson?

  I agree. I completely, look, and there are things about DeSantis I really like. Like, he's a very impressive guy. As you, I mean, you know, DeSantis, there's a lot about him that's impressive. That's just a fact. He's smarter than I am, but you have to take the big picture. Like, you have to care about the people who live in the state, not just people who send money to your campaign. Whether it's AIPAC, whether worse than AIPAC, or the, you know, the strip mall developers and the people just want to pave the state. Like, want to destroy nature to make a quick buck. Like, those people are worse than AIPAC, in my opinion.

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  Yeah. I've had some conversations with some data.

• 1:11:00Tucker Carlson?

  Don't you agree with that? You live in Florida.

• 1:11:03Speaker 01

  I don't think that the Floridians want to, I don't think the Floridians want major data centers coming to their communities anymore. But there, a lot of them are already there. And I've actually been talking to some data center developers who say, you actually don't need that much land anymore. And so there's a concern.

• 1:11:17Tucker Carlson?

  But you need a lot of water and energy.

• 1:11:19Speaker 01

  There's concern from some of the data centers that they're overbuilding, that, you know, few, in a few years from now, the technology will be better. The energy resources will be better. And so you're not going to need a 2 million square foot.

• 1:11:29Tucker Carlson?

  Can I say one thing about Fishbeck, though? Like, the effort in Florida has been to prevent Fishbeck from back or back. I don't, this show how, what close friends I am with him, but I like the guy. But why not just have a debate between Byron Donalds? And Fishback?

• 1:11:43Speaker 01

  That's a good question. I

• 1:11:44Tucker Carlson?

  So voters can decide.

• 1:11:45Speaker 01

  I would debate him, but

• 1:11:47Tucker Carlson?

  But Byron Donalds won't because he's smoking, that's why.

• 1:11:49Speaker 01

  Well, no, part of it's because he's 60 points up. Fishback's, I don't even think he can qualify to become

• 1:11:53Tucker Carlson?

  Because he said, no one will give him money and no one will give him a hearing. And that's why I gave him a hearing.

• 1:11:58Speaker 01

  I don't think that he's even qualified, like, because he's not lived in the state long enough, per my understanding.

• 1:12:03Tucker Carlson?

  Byron Donalds is from New York, okay?

• 1:12:05Speaker 01

  But he moved there 20 plus years ago. Fishback was living in Washington DC until just recently.

• 1:12:10Tucker Carlson?

  If you want to get into people's pasts.

• 1:12:11Speaker 01

  And also

• 1:12:12Tucker Carlson?

  I think, I think actually Fishback is from the state. His family's been there for a long, long time, many generations. Byron Donalds moves to Florida and like immediately gets arrested on a felony charge. So like, that's not disqualifying, but if, as long as you're comparing backgrounds.

• 1:12:24Speaker 01

  My personal, my, my biggest gripe with Fishback is he tried to scam me. Personally tried to scam me out of $50,000.

• 1:12:32Tucker Carlson?

  I don't know anything about that.

• 1:12:34Speaker 01

  When he was pretending to be a financial expert running different funds.

• 1:12:38Tucker Carlson?

  How'd you know him?

• 1:12:39Speaker 01

  I met him through, through Twitter, you know? He used to be, he used to be, you know?

• 1:12:44Tucker Carlson?

  Buyer beware, Alex!

• 1:12:46Speaker 01

  He used to be, he used to be one of the president's biggest offenders.

• 1:12:49Tucker Carlson?

  Do you do a lot of your, your investment deals through Twitter?

• 1:12:54Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:12:54Tucker Carlson?

  Okay.

• 1:12:55Speaker 01

  I don't. I don't do any of them. However,

• 1:12:57Tucker Carlson?

  Well, anyone who approaches you for an investment opportunity on Twitter, probably no.

• 1:13:01Speaker 01

  He was a, he was not just a Twitter guy, but he was a economic pundit on Fox. He was an economic pundit on CNN. He was the head of a, you know, different funds, right? That's what he said, the Zoria Fund. And so, he also really wanted a job with the Trump administration. He really wanted to go work for the Trump admin. He wanted to be on the, the commissioner for some agency and he asked me to advocate for him.

• 1:13:23Tucker Carlson?

  And, and do you want me to compare this to Byron Donalds biography? Which I know a lot about. I don't think you do.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  What I'm getting the background on, what I'm getting to here is how I met Fishback.

• 1:13:32Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:33Speaker 01

  And him asking me for money and then him

• 1:13:35Tucker Carlson?

  On Twitter.

• 1:13:36Speaker 01

  In person, we had, we met

• 1:13:37Tucker Carlson?

  Did you send him money?

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  No, I didn't send him money.

• 1:13:39Tucker Carlson?

  Then we're, we're square.

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  Two weeks later, though, his fund shuts down.

• 1:13:42Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, well, so maybe he's not a great fund manager. I don't know anything about it.

• 1:13:46Speaker 01

  My question is, what was he going to do with the $50,000?

• 1:13:49Tucker Carlson?

  Do you want to talk about Byron's arrest record?

• 1:13:51Speaker 01

  When he was a child, or not a child, he was a teenager. He was a teenager.

• 1:13:55Tucker Carlson?

  No, he was not a teenager. He was an adult, but whatever, whatever. I don't care about that, actually. And all I care about is like, are you A, committed to serving the people on whose behalf you're going to be elected and two, are your ideas right? And right for those people? Who are you serving? That's it.

• 1:14:12Speaker 01

  Do you, do you think, um, I'm asking you not just Byron. If you think, if somebody got arrested when they're 19 or 20 years old for, for selling weed and they're now 45 or 50.

• 1:14:23Tucker Carlson?

  I don't care.

• 1:14:24Speaker 01

  You don't care?

• 1:14:25Tucker Carlson?

  No.

• 1:14:25Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:14:26Tucker Carlson?

  I'm only throwing that out because it's like, okay, whatever. But no, what I do care about, I mean, I guess I care. I'm against weed for the record, by the way.

• 1:14:32Speaker 01

  That's fair.

• 1:14:33Tucker Carlson?

  But it's not even that.

• 1:14:34Speaker 01

  By the way.

• 1:14:35Tucker Carlson?

  I'm just throwing, good for you.

• 1:14:36Speaker 01

  You know, I totally fine with medical cannabis. I don't like cannabis, uh, you know, recreationally.

• 1:14:43Tucker Carlson?

  Being high all the time does not make you better. I've done it, but I smoked weed as a child a lot. It's not, come on now. So life is amazing. Experience it, you know?

• 1:14:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:52Tucker Carlson?

  But no, I was just throwing that back to be like, okay, great. But the point is, A, we should have a democracy where the people get to decide who they vote for. And they can decide that on the basis of a maximum amount of information about those candidates. And so why would the Republican Party of Florida being, you know, shutting down debate? I want to hear the issues. I don't care so much about the people. That's why I get mad at Trump. It's like, I like Trump. I always like Trump. I just like the guy.

• 1:15:19Speaker 01

  Well, speaking of debates, one of my favorite moments ever was during the Republican, first Republican primary debate of 2024. And, you know, we had got a called, something called counter programming. When Donald Trump sat down for an interview with a guy named Tucker Carlson.

• 1:15:33Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:34Speaker 01

  Remember that? And you guys crushed the ratings. Hundreds, millions of views on, on social media compared to whatever the, the RNC debate pulled.

• 1:15:42Tucker Carlson?

  Then, then why do they suck up to, then why? Here's a question that I have. I know you're not running the comm shop directly, but like.

• 1:15:50Speaker 01

  Or indirectly.

• 1:15:51Tucker Carlson?

  Or. You're certainly involved in thinking through messages and how to get them out there. Fox News, like, why the emphasis on Fox News? All these Trump employ, employees, all appointees, all on Fox News. It's got a tiny audience. It's controlled by people who hate Trump, the Murdoch's. I know that personally because I know them personally. And they're like against his agenda on a core level. But no one ever gets sent out to podcasts. You're like the first Trump person who's been here in a long time.

• 1:16:22Speaker 01

  Have you sought out anybody?

• 1:16:24Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:16:25Speaker 01

  Well, that's a good question.

• 1:16:27Tucker Carlson?

  But Fox News, like it's irrelevant. Why make it relevant?

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  So the podcast, that's a great question. The, you know, we had great success with the president going on podcasts.

• 1:16:36Tucker Carlson?

  I know.

• 1:16:36Speaker 01

  Theo and Joe Rogan and yours and Andrew Schultz. And I really like these guys. And they've been critical of the admin on issues. That's okay. I still like him personally. But they don't, they don't want to have a lot of the people on anymore. They don't make enough, they don't want to have the president down. They haven't sought out an interview with the president. And, and I'm sure if they asked, I'm sure he would do it, but they haven't asked.

• 1:17:02Tucker Carlson?

  No, but that's, it's not just about the president. I mean, he's the president.

• 1:17:04Speaker 01

  But also people like the admin, like I think these guys like.

• 1:17:07Tucker Carlson?

  No, those requests got shut down. My, my request got shut down and I was like, I felt like I had been a pretty faithful Trump supporter. Certainly like a lionhearted advocate.

• 1:17:18Speaker 01

  Interview with the president?

• 1:17:19Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, no. I could always, I just call him directly for that. But like, you know, the secretary of awesomeness or whatever. You have all these secretaries in charge of things. Like get them on. Nope, can't do it. And I'm not whining. It was fine. My life turned out okay, but I don't understand the emphasis on Fox News like.

• 1:17:35Speaker 01

  Well, it's sometimes it's, sometimes it's the only platform that will have us on.

• 1:17:40Tucker Carlson?

  Dude, that is not true.

• 1:17:41Speaker 01

  I mean, or CNN, for example, Fox refused to have Stephen Miller on.

• 1:17:45Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, that's CNN. But again, who cares about CNN? Nine people watch it.

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  Right. I don't know. I think that if you start inviting people on the show again, maybe they'll come.

• 1:17:55Tucker Carlson?

  But why, just why continue to make, I mean, once Trump is gone, CNN and Fox are done.

• 1:18:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:02Tucker Carlson?

  They're literally done without Trump to talk about, no one's going to watch them. They will probably close down, literally. And you know this better than anyone. You're the new media guy. Why keep them on life support? I don't understand when they hate you. They hate you at Fox. They hate you at CNN. MS probably likes you more than those two things. Like, why do this?

• 1:18:24Speaker 01

  Well, it's important to get the message out and people are comfortable going on Fox, I suppose. And a lot of the administration officials, they have relationships there, so they get booked there.

• 1:18:34Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, no, I think there's some truth in that. And it's just muscle memory.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  Also, a lot of the podcasters, they don't want to interview random cabinet members. Maybe you do. But other podcasts in, I guess, the podcast ecosystem, they don't want to interview a rank and file Republican congressman or a senator or...

• 1:18:49Tucker Carlson?

  I interviewed Ted Cruz.

• 1:18:51Speaker 01

  That was a fun interview, by the way, which, you know.

• 1:18:54Tucker Carlson?

  It was for me.

• 1:18:55Speaker 01

  I have disagreed with a lot of what you've said over the last, you know, year. Any takedown of Ted Cruz is fun for me. I don't like that guy.

• 1:19:03Tucker Carlson?

  But Ted Cruz's views are identical to Randy Fine's. So why is Ted Cruz bad, but Randy Fine is good?

• 1:19:09Speaker 01

  I don't say that Randy Fine's opinions are good. I think Ted Cruz's personality is just worse.

• 1:19:16Tucker Carlson?

  Than Randy Fine?

• 1:19:17Speaker 01

  I do. I do. I think Ted Cruz is not a likable guy.

• 1:19:21Tucker Carlson?

  Well, that's obvious.

• 1:19:22Speaker 01

  And so, do I agree with everything? I think Randy Fine has tweeted some ugly things, really ugly things. And his views do not represent the views of the Trump administration or my views. But I think Ted Cruz is just an unlikable guy. And I want to share with your audience a little story. In January, a few days before my wedding, I did this Trump Accounts event, which I think Trump Accounts is actually one of the great programs of the Trump administration. Every baby that is born in America for the next four years gets $1,000 invested in a tax-free vehicle that they can access when they're 18. And every year, the parents can contribute to it, et cetera, et cetera. So I did an event to help introduce this new initiative. The president was there,

• 1:20:07Speaker 01

  and I brought a very famous rapper named Nicki Minaj. And Nicki Minaj and I, we did a little panel onstage. When we got off the stage, we were going to go to the White House to see the president and show Nicki the oval and have a good time.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  We were walking out and all of a sudden I hear like these footsteps running down the hallway. I turn around and Ted Cruz and his team chasing after us. Nikki, Nikki, Nikki, please, can we get a picture?

• 1:20:34Tucker Carlson?

  It's a nightmare scenario.

• 1:20:36Speaker 01

  I'm like, holy shit, this is Senator Ted Cruz, who probably hasn't ran in a while.

• 1:20:40Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, not in a while.

• 1:20:41Speaker 01

  Running down the hallway, chasing Nikki, begging her for a picture like he was a fangirl at a concert. And just to be fun, I said, sorry Ted, we're out of time, we can't do any more pictures.

• 1:20:55Speaker 01

  His face was so pissed and he like cornered us, he was trying to, and Nikki was like, you know, I feel bad because Nikki's now kind of collateral in this. Because she, I mean, she doesn't know who the hell Ted Cruz is. And, and so like I'm blocking him from getting a picture with her. And his team's like trying to snap angles of it and they're all blurry pictures, but I prevented it. And as I was leaving, one of his staffers goes, we'll remember this, Alex Bruesewitz. And I'm like, oh, this is, this is good.

• 1:21:20Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, you're on Ted's list.

• 1:21:22Speaker 01

  I'm on, I'm on Ted's list now, but no, I think, I think Ted's a, I think Ted's a joker. I think that him, him saying his number one priority as a US Senator is to be a defender of a different country. I think that was a stupid thing to say, and I actually do think he believes it though.

• 1:21:38Tucker Carlson?

  Why do you think he believes that?

• 1:21:39Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's his position. That's, that's his position. I don't know why he believes it. Uh, but I'm not a fan of Ted. Ted still thinks in the back of his mind that one day he can be president of the United States.

• 1:21:47Tucker Carlson?

  I don't think it's gonna happen.

• 1:21:49Speaker 01

  It won't happen and it won't happen. And I think, I actually spoke at the Jerusalem Post Conference a couple of weeks ago. And Ted prides himself on being Israel's number one defender.

• 1:21:59Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:22:00Speaker 01

  He loves Israel and, and I think.

• 1:22:02Tucker Carlson?

  He's hurt Israel so badly.

• 1:22:03Speaker 01

  I think he genuinely loves the country though.

• 1:22:07Speaker 01

  But he, he has hurt the country and I gave that speech at, at Jerusalem Post. I said, I'm here today as an ally and a supporter of Israel, somebody who wants to see American is, and Israel have a strong relationship for decades to come. I truly believe that. And I highlighted how I think they're a great battlefield proven partner. We've, you know, uh, they have great technologies that also can benefit American companies, medicine, etc, etc. And I said, however, Israel's approval rating in America, especially with my generation, Republicans under 30, is at an all time low. And that's not great. And one of the reasons I think it's so low is not because necessarily of podcasters who

• 1:22:51Speaker 01

  are anti-Israel, but because of some of Israel's most ardent supporters in the United States, people like Senator Ted Cruz, push people away. And this was in early June, right after there was this idea that an Iran deal was close. And nobody knew what the Iran deal was, et cetera. Ted Cruz took the X and he slammed any prospects of a deal. You can't make a deal with the Iranian regime. You can't do this, you can't do that. I'm like, dude, this guy has no idea what the hell the deal, what's in the deal.

• 1:23:25Tucker Carlson?

  Of course.

• 1:23:25Speaker 01

  And he's trying to get out in front of it to trash the president and undermine the administration. And I'm looking at this guy, and if he actually wants to help Israel, he would shut up. So I said that at the Jerusalem Post conference. And mind you, these are all Jewish people with love for Israel. They all cheered for me after I said Ted Cruz should shut the hell up.

• 1:23:48Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:49Speaker 01

  And so if he truly loved Israel, I think that he would be better, he would better serve them by not constantly defending him on social.

• 1:24:00Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's a very wise point. And it's not just Ted Cruz. It's Mark Levin has inspired more people to join BDS than, you know, campus group ever. I mean, Mark Levin is like a-

• 1:24:12Speaker 01

  He's currently trying to get me fired, by the way.

• 1:24:14Tucker Carlson?

  So that's the question. It's like, okay, Mark Levin hates Trump. He's always hated Trump. He's worked against Trump openly for a decade. And then Trump does something that he agrees with, and he's the gatekeeper to Trump and Trump's best friend. Now he hates Trump again, and he's attacking Trump. How long does Trump continue to be friends with this guy?

• 1:24:39Speaker 01

  I don't know. You know, the president is unique. He can handle people who criticize him and, you know-

• 1:24:47Tucker Carlson?

  He can.

• 1:24:48Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:24:49Tucker Carlson?

  He doesn't think they're low IQ crazy people?

• 1:24:50Speaker 01

  Only some.

• 1:24:54Tucker Carlson?

  Fair.

• 1:24:54Speaker 01

  And, and, and, and look, but, but I don't think Mark Levin was ever the president's best friend. You know, the president has different opinions around him.

• 1:25:07Tucker Carlson?

  Tweeting out, well, I don't think Trump likes him. So that's my opinion.

• 1:25:09Speaker 01

  Essentially, he was just saying it to F with you. You ever think about that?

• 1:25:12Tucker Carlson?

  It's totally, that's totally possible, by the way. That's literally possible.

• 1:25:16Speaker 01

  So, look, I think Mark is, I think he is part of a Republican Party that has been left in the past. And they are desperately trying to remain relevant. And they use conflicts, whether it's in the Middle East or Mark Thiessen, for example, the conflict in Ukraine. These, they use these issues to, to have a little bit of relevance, to maintain their presences on, on Fox News. But the people aren't with them. And you see it in polling. Again, 67% of Americans support MOU. You look at Mark Levin's Twitter feed, he acts like everybody's against it. Nobody's against it, except for Mark and his friends who are probably coordinating in their messaging and talking points. But.

• 1:26:01Tucker Carlson?

  Can I ask you one last question?

• 1:26:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:02Tucker Carlson?

  And I think that's a, I think it's a totally correct analysis. And we, and by, by the way, I fall for it. And I always try to remind myself, Mark Levin is not a, a player in any affairs. Global or local, he's irrelevant. And his job is just like, make me mad and suck me into his fantasy world. And like, I should just ignore this. And you clearly have already figured that out. So, good for you.

• 1:26:24Speaker 01

  Don't take the bait.

• 1:26:26Tucker Carlson?

  Don't take the bait.

• 1:26:26Speaker 01

  And that's, so, real quick, and a little X psychology.

• 1:26:30Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:31Speaker 01

  I tell my clients, ignore the comment section.

• 1:26:35Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:36Speaker 01

  Because, because, and, and, because you're not changing opinions on X. Nobody sees something on X and go, oh, wow, I changed my mind on something. X is a nasty place. It's where you battle people. It's where, it's a war of ideas. And some people cheat in the war of ideas. They use bots, they use coordinated influencer campaigns. They, they sometimes they cheat in the war of ideas.

• 1:27:03Speaker 01

  But it's not a place that you should get any, like, you shouldn't think that's reality. Because it's all manipulated.

• 1:27:10Tucker Carlson?

  I agree. So, and that's the final question I wanted you to unpack. You've alluded to this a couple of times. You said if somebody, I'm embarrassed, I forgot who you're referring to. You said, I know that this person. Oh, that Yacobi kid.

• 1:27:22Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:23Tucker Carlson?

  I know that this person has taken money for other opinions and not been honest about it. And that's almost exactly what you said. What were you referring to?

• 1:27:32Speaker 01

  Well, there is a few different tweets that, you know, he's, he's posted about. And to his credit, actually, I did see a paid partnership post underneath this one. But in the Georgia, in the Georgia, most recent Georgia election, he was paid to go-

• 1:27:47Tucker Carlson?

  Country or state?

• 1:27:49Speaker 01

  State, for governor. He was paid to go after this guy named Rick Jackson. And it says, "Rick Jackson brands himself as lined with conservative priorities, but his businesses tell a different story. DEI initiatives, diversity-focused leadership, and roles supporting gender-related procedures. Voters should look at actions, not slogans." And right at the bottom, it says paid partnership. And then right above that tweet is another tweet that's very similar in language, but it didn't say paid partnership. Was he paid for it? I don't know.

• 1:28:24Speaker 01

  But it certainly looks like it. And here is the talking points that went out by a company that, word for word, spells out

• 1:28:38Speaker 01

  what he wants, what Yacobi ended up tweeting. Messaging: "Rick Jackson claims to want to ban DEI. His own company has a track record of advancing the ideas of DEI." So all of these influencers were sent this memo here, as you can see. And then I did a screenshot, put it side by side with Yacobi's tweets. It's verbatim. And the company that was hired for this project just happens to be associated with Brad Parscale. So-

• 1:29:05Tucker Carlson?

  Amazing.

• 1:29:06Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:29:08Tucker Carlson?

  So it looks like you don't have evidence that this kid is working for Brad Parscale?

• 1:29:12Speaker 01

  No evidence of that.

• 1:29:14Tucker Carlson?

  I notice-

• 1:29:15Speaker 01

  For the Iranian campaign.

• 1:29:16Tucker Carlson?

  For the Iranian campaign. So I, I notice on those rare occasions when I like, look at the stuff, because it, it's designed to make you mad and to limit your ability to think clearly. So I really do try and stay away from- X and cigarettes, because both are just so addictive. But, uh, but I break down occasionally and I noticed that there are people who are constantly sending these long tweets about how we need endless war, who are also promoting like some very specific kind of car insurance?

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:29:47Tucker Carlson?

  What is that?

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's another one. This girl, uh, Arian Wexler. This girl.

• 1:29:53Tucker Carlson?

  Who is that?

• 1:29:53Speaker 01

  That's a great question. Nobody knows. She came out of nowhere in, in 23, 24.

• 1:29:59Tucker Carlson?

  What is her name? Arian?

• 1:30:00Speaker 01

  Arian Wexler.

• 1:30:01Tucker Carlson?

  Arian?

• 1:30:02Speaker 01

  Yeah. Nice name.

• 1:30:03Tucker Carlson?

  Kind of a suspicious name.

• 1:30:05Speaker 01

  I don't know about that. You know, she's a, and she's a pretty girl and she started showing up at conservative events and she got put in, uh, I got introduced to her on the campaign trail. She really wanted to get involved with the Trump 24 campaign for whatever reason. But the girl sussed me out. You know, I'm very suspicious of people who come out of nowhere and they have a big following almost instantly and, but nobody knows who the hell they are. You know? And so she really wanted to get involved with the Trump 24 campaign. I said, no, you know, I never, I actually never even entertained her. And I would text, I actually texted some of my friends like, this girl, is she a fed? You know? And, you know, I don't know if, I don't think she's a fed, but.

• 1:30:45Tucker Carlson?

  Fair question. There's a lot of that.

• 1:30:47Speaker 01

  But she, she came, she came out of nowhere. So, you know, she's one of your biggest critics on social media.

• 1:30:54Tucker Carlson?

  Mine?

• 1:30:55Speaker 01

  One of yours, absolutely. So back to this, uh, Wexler chick.

• 1:31:00Speaker 01

  By the way, like I did see something that you were on a podcast yesterday. You said you think Israel killed Charlie Carr.

• 1:31:07Tucker Carlson?

  I did not say that.

• 1:31:08Speaker 01

  What was?

• 1:31:09Tucker Carlson?

  Did not say that.

• 1:31:09Speaker 01

  Okay, what was the clip then?

• 1:31:10Tucker Carlson?

  I said, um, I've never said that.

• 1:31:13Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:31:13Tucker Carlson?

  I know a lot of people, including in the Trump administration, who think that, however,

• 1:31:19Tucker Carlson?

  there's no proof of that.

• 1:31:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:31:20Tucker Carlson?

  What I said was two things. One, I don't know when the command came down and from whom that we have to trust everything federal law enforcement says, but I'm not obeying that. We have a moral obligation to push federal law enforcement to the job we pay them to do, which is to investigate the crimes, the crimes fully. And so for example, if there are people who predicted Charlie's death on Twitter. I think the rest of us can expect that they've been hauled in by the FBI for questioning, and I don't think they have been.

• 1:31:43Speaker 01

  I don't know about that, but I do know what the Discord, what you're talking about, the Discord chats.

• 1:31:47Tucker Carlson?

  No, I'm talking, well, I'm specifically talking-

• 1:31:49Speaker 01

  And TikTok.

• 1:31:50Tucker Carlson?

  I'm talking about the Twitter posts that seem to predict Charlie's death. Maybe that was-

• 1:31:55Speaker 01

  I think, yeah, I would, I don't know if that's been investigated, I'd love for that to be-

• 1:31:58Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, so that, so that's number one. Number two, just because someone is shot by one person doesn't mean others weren't involved. And don't, like, berate me into accepting that assumption, because I would never accept that. Why would I assume that?

• 1:32:14Tucker Carlson?

  And three, to tell me that you know the motive before the trial even starts, that he was killed for his views on transgenderism, maybe he was. Maybe it was more complicated than that. How would you know? You don't know. So stop yelling at me to accept a conclusion that you can't prove.

• 1:32:28Speaker 01

  I, I hear you.

• 1:32:28Tucker Carlson?

  Why would you do that? This is my friend. I'm not, there's, and by the way, if I was murdered, I would expect people who loved me not to jump to unwarranted conclusions, but to press federal law enforcement to do its freaking job.

• 1:32:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:41Tucker Carlson?

  And stop calling people names, because they're asking you to do your job.

• 1:32:43Speaker 01

  I think a lot of people did jump to unwarranted conclusions, though.

• 1:32:47Tucker Carlson?

  Maybe, I don't know if they're warranted or not.

• 1:32:48Speaker 01

  And, you know, right after the assassination, many people were, with big pop, big platforms, not you, were saying that Israel was behind it.

• 1:32:58Tucker Carlson?

  Many people, big platforms, were saying that he was killed for his views on transgenderism, and we don't know that, actually. We don't know anything.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  But Charlie was killed as he was talking about transgender, and this guy-

• 1:33:08Tucker Carlson?

  Maybe he was.

• 1:33:09Speaker 01

  Tyler Robinson seems to be in love with transgender people.

• 1:33:12Tucker Carlson?

  That may be absolutely true.

• 1:33:13Speaker 01

  And for me, and I think a lot of Americans, that seems like the most plausible situation.

• 1:33:19Tucker Carlson?

  But you're never gonna catch me saying, because I don't know it, that Tyler Robinson wasn't involved. I'm merely saying, to foreclose the possibility that others were involved is irresponsible, and then to attack other people-

• 1:33:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm certainly not here to attack you.

• 1:33:33Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, you're not doing it, I'm just saying, like, but, and it's interesting, the people who have been, like, I've been a journalist my entire life, I'm not proud of that, because journalism is pretty gross in the way that it's practiced in this country, as you've just proven. I mean, you tell us, like, how fake a lot of this stuff is. But the basic process of journalism is not so different from the process of gathering evidence in a criminal investigation, which is you, like, all leads should be run down, that are not utterly preposterous. And if you're not doing that, then I have a right to ask, why are you not doing that? And if Joe Kent- Who, until the day he left, had highest level security clearance in the Trump administration of Joe Kent says, hey, I referred these leads to the DOJ and they ignored them and then

• 1:34:15Tucker Carlson?

  got mad at me for referring them. What the hell is that? And if no one can answer you other than to call you an anti Semite, I'm like, that's not a real answer.

• 1:34:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't think Joe is an anti Semite.

• 1:34:26Tucker Carlson?

  No, me, I'm like.

• 1:34:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't think you're.

• 1:34:29Tucker Carlson?

  I'm not alleging Israel did it. I can't prove that.

• 1:34:32Speaker 01

  But that will then, so then I guess that is an example of a clip of yours that was being taken out of context.

• 1:34:36Tucker Carlson?

  Israel did it?

• 1:34:37Speaker 01

  That was the message yesterday, and that's what I saw. And so.

• 1:34:40Tucker Carlson?

  It's just interesting that, I will say this, it's interesting that all the people who are telling you to shut up and accept a conclusion that hasn't even been reached in a court yet, they're all neo cons. So why is that? What is that? Who's running that campaign? Talk about a campaign. And I, as his friend, here's what I want, and I've said it to the folks at Turning Point, who I talk to, who I like, in some cases, no, everybody who loved Charlie has an obligation to push for the most rigorous, open minded, exhaustive criminal investigation possible. And if you're not doing that, why are you not doing that?

• 1:35:18Speaker 01

  That's fair.

• 1:35:18Tucker Carlson?

  And I had this conversation and I called people at the FBI directly, not being paid to do this, I did because I love Charlie Kirk. And it's like, what is this? And they didn't give me a good answer.

• 1:35:27Speaker 01

  Did you see that recently at the court hearing that they're not making Tyler Robinson's lover testify? They're basically giving them spousal privilege?

• 1:35:35Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, what is that?

• 1:35:36Speaker 01

  That's a great question. And I think 30.

• 1:35:37Tucker Carlson?

  And who's this guy who jumped up and claimed credit for the murder seconds after it happened? Who's that guy who all of a sudden gets busted on kiddie porn charges and we can't talk to him? Like, I don't know what this adds up to, but I know weirdness when I see it. And by the way, is there not footage of Tyler Robinson pulling the trigger? Apparently, they say that there is. No one has seen it, who I know, including high level people have asked to see it, haven't seen it. Why? I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I'm saying, why are you acting like this?

• 1:36:00Speaker 01

  Sure. But I think it's, and I, I trust you that you weren't saying it was Israel, but some people have definitively said that. And I think that's also reckless. And so.

• 1:36:10Tucker Carlson?

  Have said it's Israel?

• 1:36:11Speaker 01

  I'm not, I, I, I trust you that you said, I trust what you said right now.

• 1:36:15Tucker Carlson?

  I don't.

• 1:36:16Speaker 01

  But.

• 1:36:17Tucker Carlson?

  If I had proof there was Israel, I would just say so.

• 1:36:19Speaker 01

  Right. People have speculated that though, and have definitively said that. Not you, others. I think that's reckless and irresponsible and does a disservice to, to the investigation. I agree that we should 100%.

• 1:36:33Tucker Carlson?

  Investigations, the way that it's unfolded has allowed the space for all of the speculation to take place.

• 1:36:41Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:36:42Tucker Carlson?

  And that is.

• 1:36:42Speaker 01

  Also the new media environment, the new social media ecosystem.

• 1:36:46Tucker Carlson?

  But it's just funny, everyone's mad at the podcasters for it. The podcasters, you've got a freaking Department of Justice that we pay for billions a year that has the right to shoot you. They have unlimited police powers.

• 1:36:59Tucker Carlson?

  They can tell you any lie they want and it's fine. If you lie to them, it's a federal crime. They have all the power.

• 1:37:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:04Tucker Carlson?

  Therefore, they need all the accountability is for, I mean, that's just like kind of how it works. And no one seems to be mad at the FBI or the Utah State authorities for not answering simple questions about this stuff. And if you can't answer a simple question, maybe there's a good reason. What's that reason? Shut up, anti Semite. I'm just not going to take that under any circumstances, ever.

• 1:37:24Speaker 01

  Well, right now, what it seems like though, at least in the, the right wing media ecosystem. You know, I agree that we should have a thorough investigation.

• 1:37:32Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:32Speaker 01

  Half the side, or actually more, probably more than half the side says Tyler Robinson did it. And then there's a pocket of the internet that like personally 100% says Israel did it. And I think that, you know.

• 1:37:46Tucker Carlson?

  Why don't we have the tiebreaker with the DOJ giving us real information on this and answering the question? And I actually called the, as I told you, I'm gonna say it again, I called the FBI highest level. Have you guys interviewed the people who appeared to have foreknowledge? We've got that covered. Have you interviewed them or not? Like this is, this is just a common sense question. Couldn't get an answer. Maybe they have.

• 1:38:04Speaker 01

  I saw some TikTok posts the day before Charlie died that basically said, oh, Charlie's going to regret coming here and discord.

• 1:38:09Tucker Carlson?

  Thank you.

• 1:38:10Speaker 01

  You know, we're certainly aware of, of those posts and.

• 1:38:15Tucker Carlson?

  So that should be, but aware of, yeah, everyone's aware of it was on TikTok and Twitter. But have the people who posted those things been interviewed? If I go on TikTok and threaten the life of a federal official, I get an immediate.

• 1:38:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:38:27Tucker Carlson?

  Visit from the FBI, immediate. And I should, I get it. I'm not against that. Have these guys received visits from the FBI? And last time I checked, the answer was no. So I think it's totally fair as a friend of Charlie's or just as an American who, who believes that justice has to be done. To demand an answer, and I'm not going to be deterred from having people scream Candace Owens anti Semite in my face. I'm just not ever going to be bullied by that under any circumstances because why would I? Do you see what I mean?

• 1:38:55Speaker 01

  I hear you. I just think that jumping to, to your point, jumping to conclusions could be reckless.

• 1:39:02Tucker Carlson?

  And so A lot of people are jumping to conclusions that Charlie Kirk was killed because of his positions on transgenderism. That's jumping to a conclusion. We don't know that. There's been no trial.

• 1:39:10Speaker 01

  But there was the, the letter that was picked up.

• 1:39:12Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, but what do we know about that letter? Nothing. That was a press release.

• 1:39:15Speaker 01

  There's more evidence leaning towards transgender.

• 1:39:18Tucker Carlson?

  Okay, well, show me, show me all the evidence.

• 1:39:20Speaker 01

  So that's what we're having at court here.

• 1:39:22Tucker Carlson?

  Exactly. So, but I'm just saying.

• 1:39:24Speaker 01

  Hopefully, hopefully, some of these questions are answered.

• 1:39:26Tucker Carlson?

  All sides are jumping to conclusions. Anyone who says, shut up, he was killed by the trainees.

• 1:39:30Speaker 01

  I think what makes, I think what makes the whole process worse, though, is social media.

• 1:39:35Tucker Carlson?

  Oh, definitely. That's why I haven't, I've tried to stay out of this.

• 1:39:38Speaker 01

  And you have your teams, and you have the clashing opinions.

• 1:39:41Tucker Carlson?

  But how did it wind up, how did Charlie Kirk's murder wind up a contest between people with different views on foreign policy? I think that's the weirdest thing I've ever seen.

• 1:39:50Speaker 01

  Good question. It's a good question. I think a lot of people are nefariously using Charlie's passing for self gain. And I think that's wrong.

• 1:40:00Tucker Carlson?

  But also for ideological ends and foreign imperatives, like, that's really clear to me. Like, how did this become about that? If it's really just about transgenderism, then why is every person insisting it's only about transgenderism also attacking the MOU?

• 1:40:18Tucker Carlson?

  Like, what are we looking at now, Alex Bruce? It's like, I don't know. Look, I'm a medium IQ person, maybe even a low IQ person, but I'm just like noting what's happening and asking, what does it add up to? And I don't know.

• 1:40:30Speaker 01

  Good question.

• 1:40:31Tucker Carlson?

  But it's weird.

• 1:40:33Speaker 01

  I hear you. I hear you.

• 1:40:35Tucker Carlson?

  You should be a shrink, man. You're such a, like, a calming. I hear you.

• 1:40:39Speaker 01

  So I think that the whole thing was, was, was terrible. I remember where I was when, when he got shot. I was actually in a meeting in Washington DC. I got bored in the meeting, so I started looking at my phone. And I saw Charlie got shot. I'm like, what the? And I, so once I saw the footage, I actually started crying because

• 1:40:59Tucker Carlson?

  I did too.

• 1:40:59Speaker 01

  I thought there's no way that he was going to survive that.

• 1:41:01Tucker Carlson?

  I did too.

• 1:41:02Speaker 01

  And, um, look, it was, it was, uh, it was tough. And the aftermath has been even tougher. And, you know, I think that Erica gets treated incredibly unfairly by the media, by the pundit class. I think she's had such a, I mean, a tough thing going on for her.

• 1:41:23Tucker Carlson?

  It's the worst thing I can imagine.

• 1:41:25Speaker 01

  And, you know, she wanted to be strong and, you know, Charlie, Charlie put on a show. Everything he did, he put on a great show.

• 1:41:31Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:31Speaker 01

  And people are criticizing Erica for continuing in Charlie's footsteps with the fireworks.

• 1:41:38Tucker Carlson?

  I haven't read a, I haven't read a word of that.

• 1:41:40Speaker 01

  I think it's been, I think it's been.

• 1:41:41Tucker Carlson?

  Be honest with you.

• 1:41:42Speaker 01

  I think a lot of it's been pretty unfair. I think they asked some fair questions. But I think the treatment of her generally has been horrible and I think people should apologize to her.

• 1:41:54Tucker Carlson?

  Well, I, I was texting with her yesterday and about, yeah, so whatever, personal stuff. But I, yeah, I, there are a few people I feel sadder for than her.

• 1:42:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:42:05Tucker Carlson?

  Cause the fact is, no matter where you are in anything, here's a woman who's a widow with two small kids.

• 1:42:10Speaker 01

  Yep. And those two small kids just had their first Father's Day without Charlie.

• 1:42:15Tucker Carlson?

  I'm aware. Yeah.

• 1:42:16Speaker 01

  And, no, we want justice for Charlie and.

• 1:42:18Tucker Carlson?

  Well, we should be demanding it.

• 1:42:19Speaker 01

  Yeah. But I think it's a disservice to use him for political gain.

• 1:42:24Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree.

• 1:42:25Speaker 01

  Gain of viewership on their podcast.

• 1:42:27Tucker Carlson?

  It's a disservice for Netanyahu to make it about Netanyahu, which he did.

• 1:42:30Speaker 01

  That was a unique press.

• 1:42:31Tucker Carlson?

  It was disgusting.

• 1:42:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. I didn't, I don't think that was necessary. You know, that's the one guy, I think, I think he's chronically online. I don't think there's anything overtly nefarious. I think Bibi's chronically online.

• 1:42:42Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 1:42:43Speaker 01

  I think he very much cares about the sentiment about him on social media in America. That's why he saw, and, and he has the problem of people that are chronically on, Ron DeSantis was chronically online. We took, we took advantage of him for being chronically online during the 24.

• 1:43:00Tucker Carlson?

  Like personally checking his phones?

• 1:43:01Speaker 01

  Scrolling, seeing what people say about him.

• 1:43:04Tucker Carlson?

  Really?

• 1:43:04Speaker 01

  And if you remember, DeSantis really had a moment when kind of Trump was kind of in no man's land after the 2020 election.

• 1:43:13Tucker Carlson?

  Yes.

• 1:43:13Speaker 01

  DeSantis started having his moment and what he would do is he would see what was trending on right wing X that day. The next day, he would do a press conference.

• 1:43:24Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah, or come on my show.

• 1:43:24Speaker 01

  Or go on your show.

• 1:43:26Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:26Speaker 01

  Addressing that issue. And it made him seem like he was one of us, when in reality, he was just reading what we were talking about and then taking action.

• 1:43:35Tucker Carlson?

  No, that's smart.

• 1:43:36Speaker 01

  It was a good political play.

• 1:43:37Tucker Carlson?

  No, it's totally right.

• 1:43:38Speaker 01

  But he was chronically online. And so in 2024, when he ran for president, we muddied the water for him. Every time he looked on Twitter, people like me were tweeting about his boots and his choice of footwear, or the makeup he was using that day. And we made X a place for him that he didn't like. And he kind of lost his mojo. He couldn't really figure out what's

• 1:43:59Tucker Carlson?

  Got in his head.

• 1:43:59Speaker 01

  So we got in his head.

• 1:44:01Tucker Carlson?

  Live by the algorithm, die by the algorithm.

• 1:44:04Speaker 01

  I think BB, you know, there's theories about him that he's this grand mastermind of all these

• 1:44:10Tucker Carlson?

  No, no, no, no.

• 1:44:11Speaker 01

  I think he's chronically online.

• 1:44:12Tucker Carlson?

  He's a day trader. I totally agree.

• 1:44:14Speaker 01

  I think he sees what people say about him on social media and he reacts to it. And I think that's, when you're the world leader, I think it's terrible. And that's why I love the president for not feeling the pressure from the chattering class on these issues. And he's not hearing it from the chattering. He's not hearing, he's not taking the opinions of these paid influencers who want the war to continue.

• 1:44:38Tucker Carlson?

  I think that's great. But I also think, you know, you need to synthesize your own opinions with those of the people you represent.

• 1:44:44Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 1:44:45Tucker Carlson?

  People care about gas prices more than they care about the

• 1:44:48Speaker 01

  I think

• 1:44:49Tucker Carlson?

  Who cares about the Iranian nuclear program? Like, talk about getting in people's heads, convincing Americans that the Iranian nuclear program is more important than gas prices is like the craziest

• 1:44:58Speaker 01

  I don't think X pundits are a place where you can, where I don't think X is a place you can get the sentiment out of the

• 1:45:02Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree with that. But public opinion polling over, you don't have to respond to every poll, of course, but like, what are Americans' priorities?

• 1:45:09Speaker 01

  Where President Trump gets his opinions from is when he goes to Pennsylvania, where he went to a truck factory yesterday.

• 1:45:14Tucker Carlson?

  Well, Miriam Adelson also calls. So like, that's bad. I'm sorry. It's bad.

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  I think the president takes more direction from the patriots who showed up at the Pennsylvania rally yesterday for him than his donors.

• 1:45:29Tucker Carlson?

  Well, he, I think he ha- always has, and that has been his great strength. That has been his great strength, and everyone would always make fun of Trump for doing these endless rallies and giving endless speeches or whatever, but I always felt, and I didn't want to watch them all because there are just too many of them. But I always felt like it was important for him, it was like, he loved it for one thing, but it was, he, he could feel the energy from the crowd and like their interest, you could engage people's interest by their response to your lines.

• 1:45:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:45:58Tucker Carlson?

  Super important exercise.

• 1:45:59Speaker 01

  Well, I encourage you, if you like those, I encourage you to watch as many Trump rallies as you can because they're not going to be here forever. And, you know, actually.

• 1:46:07Tucker Carlson?

  I've been to a lot of Trump rallies.

• 1:46:09Speaker 01

  One of the things I regret now in my life is Charlie and I both spoke at this, Charlie Kirk and I, we both spoke at this event in South Korea. I spoke before him and I was tired, you know, the jet lag.

• 1:46:21Tucker Carlson?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:22Speaker 01

  And Charlie was about to go on stage and he's like, Alex, you gonna stick around and watch me speak? I said, no, I gotta get out of here. I gotta go. I mean, I'm tired. And it was Charlie's last public speech and I didn't, you know, stick around to watch it because I was tired. So, you know, same with Trump, you know, look, Trump is not perfect. I think he, but I think he is the best that we've had, at least in my lifetime. And I think he loves the country. I think he loves the people of the country. I think he genuinely cares about the people that he goes out and he, he, he wants to represent in Pennsylvania and Wisconsin and, and Ohio and Florida. I think he genuinely cares. And do we have the greatest team around us in the Republican Congress and Senate? Absolutely not. But we have two years left of the Donald Trump experiment.

• 1:47:06Speaker 01

  And if the Democrats win, that experiment's going to be muddied by impeachments and bullshit. And so, you know, I do encourage your audience to, to get involved in the primary process as much as they can. If they don't like the Republican who's currently in office, go get somebody that you do like. But we have two years left of the Donald J. Trump experiment in our country. And I think people are gonna miss him when he's gone.

• 1:47:32Tucker Carlson?

  I want the last two years to be wholly focused on the United States and not on Netanyahu's concerns or Zelensky's, anyone else's concerns. Like, that's kind of your problem and, you know, we don't hate you, but like, deal with your own problem.

• 1:47:45Speaker 01

  You know, we were having a discussion before this about Latin America, right? I think it's exciting what's happening in Latin America.

• 1:47:50Tucker Carlson?

  I totally agree.

• 1:47:51Speaker 01

  And administrations before this one were more focused on the Middle East and countries that were thousands and thousands of miles away, while our own backyard has been suffering. And, and because of the suffering in the backyard, all of these illegal aliens came into our country.

• 1:48:09Tucker Carlson?

  You don't need to tell me, man. That's why I'm so mad about the Iran wars. What about Mexico?

• 1:48:14Speaker 01

  This administration, this administration has prioritized strengthening some of these countries. Not, not at, not at the cost of hurting our country, but, but helping these countries become more stabilized, become more economically strong.

• 1:48:28Tucker Carlson?

  Couldn't be more for it.

• 1:48:29Speaker 01

  Because if they have, if they have strong countries, the migrants are gonna come to us.

• 1:48:33Tucker Carlson?

  Focus on the hemisphere, right? I mean, you're preacher choir, no doubt.

• 1:48:36Speaker 01

  So I think that, I think that the, the president has been more focused on this hemisphere than that, despite the excursion there. He's certainly more focused on, on domestic policies. And I think that as we get to the next four or five months of, of, you know, as we ramp up into the midterms, you're gonna see a lot more of his domestic agenda.

• 1:48:57Tucker Carlson?

  Last question, can you ask him to just stop listening to people who don't like you, don't have your best interest or the nation's best interest at heart? Just ignore those people, whether it's whatever Mark Thiessen, as you call him, or Mark Levin, as I call him, or the Murdochs, or whoever, people who are just like, and just return to the concerns that, you know, your voters love you for, caring about, you know?

• 1:49:24Speaker 01

  Did I say Thiessen incorrectly?

• 1:49:25Tucker Carlson?

  I don't know. Who even cares? Like, what is that?

• 1:49:28Speaker 01

  I've, I've never heard of this guy, except for when I see him on social media. I don't know what he does.

• 1:49:32Tucker Carlson?

  He's in the Fox green room.

• 1:49:33Speaker 01

  I, I think that the president hears the opinions of as many people as possible, and he'll ask... If the janitor was in the room, he would ask the janitor about his opinion on a topic. You know, he doesn't, you know, he's got his advisors, he's got his cabinet members. But then he has the public sentiment, he goes to a rally and he polls the crowd. Do we like Sleepy Joe or Crooked Joe better? You know, he, and that's a cute example, a silly example. But he feels the energy when he says something in a speech, he can feel.

• 1:50:04Tucker Carlson?

  Let me ask you, if the janitor, and I love that about him, and I try to be that way, you know, just like, yeah, keep your filter coarse, you get a lot of information, then we know through. I text with janitors, literally, I'm with you on that. But if the janitor says to you, I got a hot stock tip for you. Take $500 million and, you know, go into this IPO and the IPO tanks and you lose all the money. Next round, you're not taking investment advice from the janitor. You're like, you cross him off the list of people to consult for investment advice. If Mark Levin and Mark Thiessen and Sean Hannity and Rupert Murdoch all come to you and like, I've got a great idea, regime change, one run. All you gotta do is kill the Ayatollah, the place will collapse. They're gonna put some pro-Israel, pro-America guy to run the place. You're like, okay, you do it, doesn't work.

• 1:50:49Tucker Carlson?

  You gotta have to cross them off the list of people to consult for future foreign policy advice.

• 1:50:54Speaker 01

  I don't think it went down exactly that way, but, but the president seeks out counsel from many people. And he doesn't take the opinion of one person and make a decision on that. And so, but I do hear what you're saying. I personally don't want any advice from Mark Levin, personally. And I think he's incredibly unhelpful to, to the country. I don't think he's brought any voters to the Republican Party. I think he pushes people away from the party. And, but, but it's, it's not up to me, you know? And, and, you know, then there's people on the other sides of issues that I also should think, have no say because they're crazy, they're crazy the other way. But again, it's not up to me.

• 1:51:39Speaker 01

  And so, you know, the president, I think what's so great about him is he's willing to have conversations with people. Does he act on everything that people tell him? No, sometimes, you know, he might be more aligned with that group. Sometimes he might be more aligned with. The way you think, but he he's the president for everybody. He's focused on doing, in his opinion, what's best for the American people. That's his focus. And so, you know, we hit the fun part of just being cheerleaders on the sidelines for whatever the hell we believe in and want to do. So, you know, that rides, you know, the Trump experiment's gone in two years. And I think we're all gonna miss it.

• 1:52:21Speaker 01

  So I encourage you, even if you disagree with him on something, even if you if you don't like what he's doing, I know you still love him personally. Just remember that. Two years from now, he's gone and we're gonna miss him. And we're gonna be complaining that the whole process is so fucking boring again. Because everybody before Trump was so fucking boring.

• 1:52:46Tucker Carlson?

  Unless it gets way more exciting in a bad way, which I'm against.

• 1:52:51Speaker 01

  Who knows? We'll find out in two years.

• 1:52:54Tucker Carlson?

  I really appreciate your breaking the embargo and coming to see me. It was great.

• 1:52:58Speaker 01

  Great to see you, Tucker.

• 1:52:59Tucker Carlson?

  Thanks.