PART TWO: Gregg Braden: Are We the Last Generation of Pure Humans? How To Maintain Our Unique Potential

What if everything we’ve been told about humanity’s future is a lie? Gregg Braden, bestselling author of Pure Human, scientist, and leading voice bridging science and spirituality, exposes the dark truth behind the transhumanist agenda and what he considers the urgent fight to preserve our human potential. In this eye-opening conversation, Braden warns we may be the last generation of pure humans as artificial intelligence and digital surveillance race ahead, threatening to sever us from our consciousness, our DNA, and even our souls. He unpacks the manipulation of media algorithms, emotional programming, and disinformation campaigns designed to divide humanity and dull our innate heart-brain coherence. From simulation theory and the Mandela Effect to his groundbreaking fractal time calculator that forecasts future global patterns, Braden dives deep into the spiritual and scientific underpinnings of this global shift. He also shares profound personal insights, including his near-death experience, interdimensional encounters, and his understanding of the spiritual meaning behind dementia. As society stands at a tipping point, Gregg Braden invites us to awaken our inner technology, reclaim ancient wisdom, and remember that love, not AI, is the most powerful force in the universe. Gregg Braden's latest book, Pure Human: The Hidden Truth of Our Divinity, Power, and Destiny: https://greggbraden.com/product/pure-human/ Fractal Time Calculator: https://greggbraden.com/fractal-time-calculator/ Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠ https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/ ⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠ https://www.bialikbreakdown.com/ ⁠⁠YouTube.com/mayimbialik https://www.youtube.com/mayimbialik Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:05Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Maya Bialik.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 0:08Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to part two of our conversation with Greg Braden. Wow.

• 0:14Speaker 01

  This conversation, we get so personal with Greg and also theoretical. On the personal note, he talks about a near-death experience that changed the course of his life and actually opened him up to extrasensory abilities. I have not heard him speak about this anywhere else.

• 0:30Mayim Bialik?

  We're also going to talk about simulation theory. We actually, I think this is the most we've ever talked about simulation theory with any guest. We talk about the Mandela Effect. We talk about what a divine connection can mean if we are living in a simulation. And we're also going to talk about fractal time. We'll talk about some of the Bible code and how that's informed some of his theories. There's a lot that we disagree with Greg on. There's a lot that we challenge him on. But there's so much in this part of this episode that we cannot wait to share with you. Greg Braden is a New York Times bestselling author. He's trained in geology and computer science, and he's a pioneer in this field, the paradigm bridging science, social policy, and human potential.

• 1:14Mayim Bialik?

  Our first episode talked about all of his incredible work regarding divinity, regarding transhumanism. And this part of the episode, you will learn a lot more about him as a person and really where these theories can take us in the field of consciousness.

• 1:28Speaker 02

  Break it down.

• 1:31Speaker 01

  If there's a struggle for our divinity, how do we, how do we win that struggle? And this was really, this is where a very deeply spiritual evolution happens here. Because the idea of winning, that's an old idea of conflict against conflict. We don't want to win. We want to triumph. The way we triumph in this ancient struggle, if the goal of the struggle is to deny our divinity, we triumph by living our divinity, by living the best version of ourselves, by imagining freely and sharing our innovations openly with one another, the ability to share information, by loving without fear, healing our bodies, forgiveness of one another,

• 2:15Speaker 01

  empathy, sympathy, compassion for our brothers and sisters. Those are the qualities that allow us to triumph over this fundamental, in this fundamental struggle. And when we don't, and we're talking about climate change, we're talking about the pandemic. The question is, what do we become in the presence of what life brings to our doorstep? When an election doesn't go the way that we thought it was going to go, or when we find out we've been lied to, what do we allow that to do to us? Do we allow it to drive us to become something we would never be in a million years? To become a hateful, vengeful being? And I've seen this happen, and now you all have, and our viewers have as well.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  When we have to push back on an idea, this is the big one for me, do we push back from our love of the people and our family and our community that stand behind us, or from our hate and our fear of what we perceive in front of us? That is the spiritual quandary that we find, because we're all faced with a changing world, and we're going to push back. Do we push back from our love, or from our fear and from our hate? And the answer, it might have the same outcome, ultimately in the physical world, but on a spiritual basis. We're going to get through all this. We're going to get through this convergence point.

• 3:44Speaker 01

  We're going to get through all this crazy stuff. We're going to get through it. The question is, what have we become as we've gone through this? What have we allowed the events of the world to drive us to become? That's why I wanted to say in this book, I'm acknowledging systems thinker. There's a fundamental struggle. Within that struggle, these things are happening to deny us from being the best version of ourselves. When we can claim our divinity, claim the best version of ourselves, Moving forward in that rather than fighting against the things we don't like. It's a very, very different way of living.

• 4:25Mayim Bialik?

  I was just thinking, that made me think of one of the kind of interpretations of one of the core prayers in Jewish liturgy. There's a section of the Shema, which is like the main, it's one of the main components of the Jewish prayer service. And there's this paragraph about the punishment, right? I'm just gonna be clear, because this is, you know, liturgical. There's a paragraph about the punishment that happens if we don't fulfill all of these things. And the prayer is about love. It's about if we do not love in a particular way, there's a punishment. And I'm using like punishment in quotes because, you know. So the punishment is that, you know, the rains will not come.

• 5:10Mayim Bialik?

  The earth will not produce what it needs to. You will not be sustained by this planet. And my rabbi, shout out to Chaim Seidlerfeller, he, he gives an interpretation that this is an ecological statement from thousands and thousands of years ago, that there are certain behaviors that unite us and connect us. And when we become distanced from one another and from God, right? There are repercussions. And it's kind of interesting because what, what, what many people would say, right? Is this increased distance from each other, ourselves and God, has led to also a disregard and a disrespect for the planet itself and what's happening?

• 5:53Mayim Bialik?

  The, the rains are not coming like they should, right? The, the earth is going, the earth is going in different directions, right? Either drought or genetically modified things that none of us should be eating, right? And I'm not saying that like the prophecies of the, you know, prayers that Judah Ben Nasi, I think Judah Hanasi, you know, codified in the Mishnahic area. But I'm not saying that those are coming true and that that's my prophecy coming true. But the notion that there's an ancient belief, and it's not just restricted to Judaism, there's an ancient belief that what we do and how we behave has larger implications on the planet is not insignificant.

• 6:30Speaker 01

  And that goes even one step further, if you're familiar with the Dead Sea Scrolls? Have you studied the scrolls?

• 6:36Mayim Bialik?

  I haven't studied. I've seen them several times, but yeah.

• 6:39Speaker 01

  The War Scroll, this is fascinating to me. I mean,

• 6:43Speaker 01

  The oldest records of the Old Testament, unedited, and there were 11 caves initially. It was in cave number one, the first cave and the first vase that they found and the first scrolls they found, one of those scrolls was called the War Scroll. And they did not want that to be released to the public until, and they didn't until 1995. And you have to say, what could possibly warrant the time and the energy and the money to keep that from being shared? Well, there's a piece of that War Scroll, and it describes the things you're talking about, and it goes further, and it describes a series of battles. Some are won by what are called the Sons of Darkness, and some are won by what are

• 7:27Speaker 01

  called the Sons of Light. The last battle, the Sons of Light prevail, but there's a catch. And the catch is, the Sons of Light prevail through divine intervention. However, the people of the earth must accept their own divinity for that divine intervention to be possible.

• 7:46Mayim Bialik?

  And the notion being that we're not talking about prophecy here, we're talking about a consciousness that exists, right? Has existed, again, in other traditions as well. This consciousness of a connection to the divine as, you know, a sort of healing force.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  It's just, you know, this is where language is probably insufficient, because we're talking about these deeply spiritual concepts with a limited language of English and all the baggage that comes with words like love and like divine and like evil and all of those things. I mean, there are other languages, we could talk about us living in a simulated reality and the construct and the algorithms that drive the construct and what triggers certain protocols and the algorithms. We could talk about it that way, and we'd lose a lot of people, and other people would, Silicon Valley would love it, you know, and they do. But I think this is where it's important to look.

• 8:40Mayim Bialik?

  Are we living in a simulation?

• 8:41Speaker 01

  The odds are more, are greater than...

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Do you want, can we talk about that?

• 8:47Mayim Bialik?

  Sure.

• 8:47Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah. Well, are you familiar with Nick Bostrom's algorithm?

• 8:50Mayim Bialik?

  Ish.

• 8:51Speaker 01

  Okay, 2001, Nick Bostrom was the first that actually scientifically attempted to answer the question that had been asked since the 1940s. When the first computers were developed, 1940s, they, one of the first things that was, was asked was, are we living in a computer program? If we can do this here, has someone else done that and we're in the computer program? That's a big question, 1940s, you know? So Nick Bostrom, 2001, he took the world as it is, he's a philosopher, the University of Washington, I think is where he was from, and wrote his, his thesis on this, took a number of algorithms, plugged them in, ran, ran the algorithm, or variables, I'm sorry, plugged them in the algorithm, ran that.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  The odds came back that it's greater that we are in a simulated reality than we're not. This is probably not a base reality, that we're probably living some kind of a construct. It flows with almost every indigenous tradition, because the Hindus have always said, this is the Maya, this is the illusion. The biblical traditions say we, we come from somewhere else, we're here for a while, this isn't the real world, we're going to learn something here that we're going to need where we go next.

• 9:59Mayim Bialik?

  The Kabbalistic tradition says that we're just being projected onto a screen.

• 10:03Speaker 01

  They all, and, and so now the physics is actually showing, the double slit experiment was, the reinterpreted double slit experiment, that, that just like, if you do a video game on these computers, and it's a complex video game, the computer cannot put the entire, if there's like a jungle with buildings and houses and rooms, it's not all there at once.

• 10:27Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  It only appears when that part needs to be interacted with. The double slit experiment suggests that our reality works that way as well.

• 10:35Mayim Bialik?

  I remember studying this in physics.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, and, and now there are, we're looking at things like the Mandela effect, obviously, which is very real, and is increasing.

• 10:45Mayim Bialik?

  What's that?

• 10:46Speaker 01

  The Mandela effect. Is where we have a collective memory. Are you familiar with the Mandela?

• 10:52Mayim Bialik?

  No.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  Okay, Nelson Mandela.

• 10:54Mayim Bialik?

  I was like, I know Nelson Mandela.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  There was a segment of the population that believed that he died when he was in jail. And another segment said, no, he went on to become a president. And then these other things, like, people began remembering the Fruit of the Loom label on underwear with a cornucopia.

• 11:12Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 11:12Speaker 01

  That they say does not exist.

• 11:15Mayim Bialik?

  Stop it!

• 11:15Speaker 01

  And never existed. If you, if you Google it, the logo says it doesn't, it never existed. But you and I know it did, because we, we're living a slightly different.

• 11:25Mayim Bialik?

  Wait, hold on a second.

• 11:25Speaker 01

  No, it doesn't stop there. It doesn't stop there. I mean, it's the monocle on the guy.

• 11:30Mayim Bialik?

  I remember a cornucopia.

• 11:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do too. But there, if you Google it, they'll all say.

• 11:34Mayim Bialik?

  Olivia, I think you're too young. Cornuc- no, yeah. Cornucopia, you're Canadian.

• 11:38Jonathan Cohen?

  I don't even know what a cornucopia is.

• 11:40Mayim Bialik?

  Oh my god.

• 11:40Speaker 01

  A cornucopia is, it's like a-

• 11:42Mayim Bialik?

  In his reality, there's no cornucopia!

• 11:44Speaker 01

  It's, it's like a little, I'm just, this is one example, but there are many.

• 11:47Mayim Bialik?

  It's like a horn made of, it's like a shofar, but it's bigger and things spill out of it on Thanksgiving.

• 11:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, all the fruit comes out, and there was a label on the back of my underwear when I was a kid.

• 11:55Mayim Bialik?

  It was wicker.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  So these are all instances where the-

• 12:00Mayim Bialik?

  It's like a glitch in the matrix?

• 12:01Speaker 01

  It's, it's a reset. It's a little reset.

• 12:03Jonathan Cohen?

  Hold on. So, we have the picture here-

• 12:05Mayim Bialik?

  Let me see.

• 12:06Jonathan Cohen?

  Of the cornucopia. Well, let's put it on whoever's-

• 12:09Mayim Bialik?

  No, but people could have made that. But yes, that's what I picture.

• 12:12Jonathan Cohen?

  That's what you think.

• 12:13Mayim Bialik?

  Here, I remember this.

• 12:14Speaker 01

  They're saying it never existed. If you, if you, Fruit of the Loom says they never had that logo. And we all know they did. There are lyrics-

• 12:21Mayim Bialik?

  Maybe they didn't!

• 12:22Speaker 01

  No, no, no, they did. But there are lyrics of, of songs that I was singing when I was in the 60s. And now those lyrics have-

• 12:30Mayim Bialik?

  What lyrics?

• 12:31Speaker 01

  Uh, one of them-

• 12:32Mayim Bialik?

  I like folk music from the 60s, so I'm curious right now.

• 12:35Speaker 01

  Not folk music, uh, in the 70s. One, uh-

• 12:39Speaker 01

  Mama told me when I was young, be a good boy, don't ever play with guns.

• 12:42Mayim Bialik?

  Yes.

• 12:43Speaker 01

  And that's, they said, that's not, that's not what.

• 12:45Mayim Bialik?

  What is it?

• 12:47Speaker 01

  They changed it to something, I don't know. There's, there, these are all called Mandela effects that are happening. If you look it up, you're gonna see there, and there are new ones coming in all the time. They are suggestive.

• 13:00Mayim Bialik?

  I think they're suggestive of the fact that like, we wanna have alternate interpretations that are in many cases transcendental, meaning when you think about interpretations of events that we know about from thousands of years ago, I mean, even, I don't wanna like, get controversial, but Christianity, right?

• 13:16Speaker 01

  True.

• 13:17Mayim Bialik?

  He, he died, he came back, right? These are all things that were in the vernacular.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  If we're, if we're in a simulation, if we're in a simulated environment, and I'm fascinated by this, I worked with simulations when I was a senior computer systems designer during the Cold War. The purpose of a simulation, a simulation has a beginning.

• 13:35Mayim Bialik?

  Scared now.

• 13:36Speaker 01

  No, it has, has a beginning, well, it means, okay, simulation has a beginning, it has an end.

• 13:41Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 13:41Speaker 01

  There are rules in that simulation, and what's so interesting is, I'm surprised your guests haven't talked about this.

• 13:48Mayim Bialik?

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• 15:16Mayim Bialik?

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• 15:18Speaker 01

  What's, what's interesting is in a simulation, you can always talk to someone outside the simulation for help. We're always told our existence as a beginning, as an end, we've got rules that we're supposed to follow. And when you close your eyes and you communicate with a higher source, you're communicating.

• 15:35Mayim Bialik?

  Outside of the simulation.

• 15:37Speaker 01

  You're saying, hey, I need some help. The purpose of a simulation is to learn in a relatively safe environment. Something you need for wherever it is that you're about to, about to go to. And all of our traditions say we're, we're only here temporarily.

• 15:53Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, I have a question.

• 15:54Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 15:54Mayim Bialik?

  I have a simulation and, and you have one and Valerie has one. Are, are we connected in this simulation or my simulation is everything here?

• 16:04Speaker 01

  There's, there are consensus, consensus realities and.

• 16:08Mayim Bialik?

  Can he come with me? I like him a lot.

• 16:11Speaker 01

  Yeah, I apologize. I didn't know we were. I assumed that this was common knowledge because there's so many of your guests. I thought that probably.

• 16:18Jonathan Cohen?

  We've definitely touched on the simulation, but there's also like the techno utopia simulation where we're actually in a manufactured environment. Versus using it as an analogy that, you know, the simulation is that many of the earth's qualities resemble computer programming. Such as we're in the consciousness field. There are rule sets, there are cause and effects. We are limited by what we can perceive and sort of we're creating our reality based on the perception of the mind and the programming that we have. So I wonder sort of where your perspective is. Do you see it as an analogy or do you see it as more realistic? Like we are actually in the computer.

• 17:01Speaker 01

  I think it's not a computer. I think it's safe to say we are in a construct. This is probably not a base reality that, and there's so little of us here to begin with. You know, we're 99.99% empty atoms anyway.

• 17:15Speaker 01

  And your higher self is you outside the simulation. From a biblical perspective, this is, this is a false world. The, the Gnostic texts that were denied by the early Christians. And they were forbidden by the Catholic Church. When you go back and you read what those are all about, that there is, uh, there was a, a world of perfection. And there were powerful beings that began creating copies of that world. One of those copies is a flawed copy. And we happen to be in what they would call a flawed copy or a construct.

• 17:57Speaker 01

  And the flaw is the, the, the evil that we see here that we're trying. So that's, you know, if people that are biblically inclined, that they would see, they would see it from that perspective. Doesn't make, it doesn't make it any less real. And doesn't mean that this isn't important.

• 18:12Mayim Bialik?

  The thing that, the thing that I get worried about and that many people.

• 18:15Speaker 01

  Don't worry, don't worry, it's all good.

• 18:16Mayim Bialik?

  No, but when you talk about, when I hear, the reason that I sort of don't love the concepts of good and evil, and I understand them historically. And I understand, you know, I speak Hebrew and I study biblical Hebrew. And like, you know, I, I'm into that. But the thing that I get worried about is a lot of the conversation about good and evil often comes from more fundamentalist communities. And, um, the people who are evil are usually the ones who like, for example, don't accept Christ as their savior.

• 18:50Speaker 01

  So you're not worried about the concept. You're worried about the perception of the concept. Yeah, and I'm with you on that.

• 18:55Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 18:55Speaker 01

  I'm totally with you.

• 18:56Mayim Bialik?

  And then I'm like, I don't know, do I fit in this simulation, you know?

• 18:59Speaker 01

  Well, this simulation apparently is, is moving towards some kind of a reset or a convergence point.

• 19:06Mayim Bialik?

  Right, because those people think that they're right.

• 19:08Speaker 01

  They do, and.

• 19:09Mayim Bialik?

  And that they're good and other people are.

• 19:10Speaker 01

  And it's all based in fear.

• 19:12Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 19:12Speaker 01

  You know, if you don't do this, you're not going to make it.

• 19:14Mayim Bialik?

  Right, I'm kind of cool with what everybody wants to do, just leave me alone.

• 19:18Speaker 01

  I think this is, even if you're not into the simulation theory, when we deny our humanness is when we get into trouble.

• 19:28Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 19:28Speaker 01

  When we embrace the potential of our humanness, when we live from love.

• 19:33Mayim Bialik?

  Yes.

• 19:33Speaker 01

  We love ourselves enough to be the best version of ourselves. We've triumphed in the simulation. That's what the simulation would be all about. So, yeah, I don't think there's anything, but the...

• 19:43Mayim Bialik?

  That's why we say the Lord is testing. I keep being tested.

• 19:46Speaker 01

  What we're seeing is a breakdown of the unsustainable systems. And they're all unsustainable right now. Financial systems, economic systems, political systems, climate systems right now, the way they're being engineered. Have you done geoengineering? Have you had any people talking about? Well, geoengineering is a big, big part of what we're, what's happening in our lives right. But all of these are unsustainable. So, we're at this convergence point. And at the same time, we're being asked to give away our humanness in exchange for technology. My point is that the technology outside of our bodies, we can allow to serve us, but not to enslave us.

• 20:30Speaker 01

  And if we put that technology, if we adapt it en masse at birth, and we allow these ideas put forth by people like the WEF, by people like the UN, who lobby US Congress, just like oil and gas and pharmaceuticals. They're lobbying for these principles. And people that are not aware of the drawback can become vulnerable, especially young people, can become vulnerable to giving themselves away the tech because they've never been taught how rare and beautiful and precious their bodies are. And if we think for a moment that there's not something... The chaos in the world is an indication

• 21:14Speaker 01

  of how precious our divinity is within us. Because the more chaos you see, that's how much it takes to divert and distract us.

• 21:25Speaker 01

  From opening the door to the deep truth of who we are in here. And as we get closer to this, what you're seeing is more chaos because it takes a lot of chaos to keep us spun up in the fear, in the hate, in the division. That's the big picture. Not everybody wants to look at that, and we don't have to. But that's, systems thinker, you want to see what's going on now. What do you do about in your everyday life? Love and live the best version of yourself.

• 21:49Jonathan Cohen?

  The way that I was described to me from a guy named Narayan Singh, who his given name was Michael J. Lincoln. He wrote the Messages from the Body book, also a Hay House author. Passed away a few years ago now.

• 22:04Speaker 01

  Left the simulation.

• 22:06Jonathan Cohen?

  He was out. The way that he described it is that we are, this is a microcosm of some larger reality. You can imagine the larger reality being the energetic field that we're in, that is, was created. And he described it as there being sort of a home office where the God who oversees this world is one of many who happens to just sort of like, imagine them working in an office as a middle manager. And this was his project to see if you could increase consciousness amongst human beings living in these parameters. And if it was successful, it's kind of all an experiment.

• 22:48Jonathan Cohen?

  And if they can find a way to live together, speaking different languages, seeing each other as different, recognizing that they aren't different at all, and not blow each other up or ruin the resources of the earth, then it will be a success. And that information will be taken back to some other larger galactic information system. Mothership. Mothership slash home office. And it will then help translate that information into learning and what should be created next. So it was sort of, this is largely an experiment. And he believed that the deck was stacked in the favor of those people who want to wake up and create the next version of the human experience. But there are obstacles and that we're going to navigate these obstacles.

• 23:31Jonathan Cohen?

  So you can see the, almost, you know, if it's a game or if it's a movie, there are quote unquote, people trying to prevent the goal. And then there are those people who are pursuing said goal. Your face is very twisted, which is great. We'll offer a reaction shot here.

• 23:49Mayim Bialik?

  Well, just so much of it seems, again, like I just keep coming back to this, seems so subjective, right? Like, the people who are like, "We want Trump," or like, "He's gonna be the savior." And then people who are like, "We don't want Trump." Like, "He's the devil." Like, I don't know.

• 24:01Jonathan Cohen?

  And from the perspective of some people, the West is the bad guy, and "Death to the West," and others, the people who want "Death to the West" are the bad guys. So it is very subjective and hard to parse out when we say "good and evil."

• 24:15Speaker 01

  It's so easy to get twisted, and this is why it's so important to have a solid benchmark. Do the events support or deny human divinity? That's the benchmark.

• 24:26Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, so hold on. I'm gonna give you a hard one.

• 24:28Speaker 01

  You build it to be the best version of yourself.

• 24:29Mayim Bialik?

  I'm gonna give you a hard one. I mean, I don't think, it's not hard for me, because I'm who I am, and I don't know who you are in this. I'm gonna pick a really hard thing. I'm gonna pick homosexuality.

• 24:39Speaker 01

  Why is that hard?

• 24:40Mayim Bialik?

  Well, it's not hard for me, because I believe that every person deserves to exist, love, do what they want. I have a complete historical and cultural understanding of why the Old Testament says what it does and what it means. Like, I have complete comfort with people being gay, tramp, like, "Do you?" Like, "It's all good, love." So there are people for whom that would be those people living divinity, right? They're living... And there would be other people who would use divinity and say, "That's evil. It's against..." So this is the kind of issue where I want there to be... I don't like gray, you know? I want there to be, like, one answer.

• 25:16Speaker 01

  This is an easy one. So...

• 25:18Mayim Bialik?

  Greg, I want you to give the right answer so badly. Go!

• 25:21Speaker 01

  Our goal is to be whole. We want wholeness in our lives. And we will stop at nothing to find our wholeness. And we will deceive ourselves into circumstances and relationships to find that wholeness. All right? So, let's talk about energy. If you're not in that body, are you a male or a female?

• 25:41Mayim Bialik?

  I'm neither.

• 25:42Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 25:43Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 25:43Speaker 01

  Now, you come into this body, and to be in this body, in a polarity world, you've already given away 50%

• 25:49Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 25:50Speaker 01

  of your spiritual identity to be in a polarized body.

• 25:54Mayim Bialik?

  Yes.

• 25:55Speaker 01

  All right? And if your goal is wholeness, you will be drawn to the energetic compliment to give you what it was you knew before you were in the body.

• 26:06Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  All right? So if you're in a female body...

• 26:09Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 26:10Speaker 01

  You're gonna be drawn to a male polarity, a male's gonna be drawn to a female, but what if you come into this world energetically, as, I'll just say, as a male?

• 26:18Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 26:19Speaker 01

  And, early in your life-

• 26:20Mayim Bialik?

  You mean you have XY chromosomes?

• 26:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And, early in your life, you have life experiences where you lose that identity as well. You lose your maleness.

• 26:30Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 26:31Speaker 01

  Could be trauma.

• 26:32Mayim Bialik?

  Sure.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  Could be, there are all kinds of things. Your goal is your wholeness. You're going to seek to reinforce that energetic signature. You're going to seek to reinforce your masculinity first.

• 26:46Mayim Bialik?

  Got it.

• 26:47Speaker 01

  Where we get into trouble is put a label on it. Because, maybe it's the first five years of your life, you think that you are interested in another sex, and then at the age of five, you say, "Man, I think I like, I like the girls. But I've already called myself gay, and now what am I gonna do?" If you just let the energy do what the energy does. The energy wants wholeness and completeness. And for some people, without the polarities, you are drawn to both. You're drawn to both, to reinforce those. It's where we put the labels on them is where we get into trouble.

• 27:20Mayim Bialik?

  And I also, I don't need you to approve of gay people, that's not what I was asking.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Was that the wrong answer?

• 27:23Mayim Bialik?

  No, that was, no, I appreciate your answer, and I think also, I think what my question was, was, you know, can these things not be subjective?

• 27:33Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 27:33Mayim Bialik?

  Right? I mean, that leads to love and openness.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  But we come-

• 27:38Mayim Bialik?

  Which, for me, is the right answer. Do you know what I mean? Like, like, I really don't, I don't really care what you're doing, unless you're doing it inside of my body or with me.

• 27:46Speaker 01

  Do we love ourselves enough to find our wholeness?

• 27:48Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  And to allow other people to find their wholeness?

• 27:51Mayim Bialik?

  Allow other people to find their wholeness. So this is a place where I would say that is in pursuit of goodness.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  But I, when it comes to good and evil, evil, that's where I'm gonna go back. Evil is the denying of our- Of our divinity, the denial of our imagination, creativity, our ability to love, to forgive, empathy, sympathy, compassion, all of those things.

• 28:15Mayim Bialik?

  This is like hot button issues with Greg.

• 28:17Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, I didn't, you know, this is unscripted. We had no idea where it's gonna go.

• 28:20Mayim Bialik?

  No, it's great. We appreciate your openness.

• 28:22Speaker 01

  By the way, I'm not conservative or progressive, either one. I'm, I'm, I'm an optimist. I'm also a realist. And I believe ultimately, we, this political system we're in right now, they're going about it different ways. If you look close, they're both leading us a lot in, in exactly the same place. Deception is the name of the game. And there's a lot of deception until we begin looking, that's why you have to have a context. Before my mom left this world, my little Jewish, four foot, eight inch tall mama, she shrunk from four eleven to four eight. She said to me, and I, I kind of know what she meant. She says, Greg, the world is going to hell in a handbasket. Now, the hell part I always got. The handbasket part, I wasn't sure.

• 29:06Mayim Bialik?

  Well, she's midwestern, right?

• 29:06Speaker 01

  She was. But, but what, it appeared to her that the world was coming apart at the seams for no apparent reason. And it was just this willy nilly, one off here, off there. There's a process. And there is a sequence of events. And the process has a beginning and an end. And we're in that process. That process is that we are barreling down the road towards this convergence point cosmologically, geologically, economically. I mean, all these, all these cycles are converging. And it's how we respond to those cycles. The struggle between good and evil is driving our response. And if we don't know that,

• 29:47Speaker 01

  if we're, if we allow ourselves to be deceived, and it's so easy, because you see it in music. I mean, I'm a music, my wife's a voting member of the Grammys. And we have this conversation all the time. And where the evil is coming up in musical, not just lyrics, but in the way the music is performed. Does it enhance or deny our divinity? And I think we have to keep coming back to that. Anything that denies our divinity, our ability to heal and imagine and create and forgive and love, is an expression of evil. Doesn't mean the people know they're evil. I'm not saying that. I'm saying that there are people that have a propensity for greed and control,

• 30:30Speaker 01

  who will fall into evil practices because of their propensity. They may not even know what they're doing.

• 30:37Jonathan Cohen?

  If this is all a test, an evolution of human love and capacity to love, what is a version of the world without the military industrial complex fueling our economy? Like, how does the world operate? We just no longer have defenses? There's no longer war? How, people are just living in harmony with one another? Like, is there a version of that world that is within our grasp in the next 25 years? Like, how do you see the future?

• 31:07Speaker 01

  I don't think it's this world.

• 31:08Mayim Bialik?

  Literally what he asks every morning when he wakes up.

• 31:10Speaker 01

  Is he? I don't, I don't think it's this exact, this is what we're doing. We've outgrown that polarity. And we're moving toward a world where we, I think in this generation, you'll see young people walk away from war as a means to solve their problems. They'll be told to go to war and they won't do it. I think we're gonna see that. You're already seeing it.

• 31:29Mayim Bialik?

  We saw it in Vietnam, too.

• 31:30Speaker 01

  You're seeing, but I mean, you're seeing it on the battlefield now in Europe. You're actually seeing that happen. As long as we live in a world of polarity, I think we're always gonna have a challenge. It's how we as a species meet that challenge and how we choose to evolve. Have we outgrown the need to hurt one another to solve our problems? That's where we're going with this. We have a generation of leaders who we have outgrown. They're leaders from another world, another era. And I, I worked in the industry during the Cold War. I saw the way these people think. And we're outgrowing that right now. And this is so fascinating. It takes one generation. It takes one gener-

• 32:15Speaker 01

  Usually, the amount of change that we see happening right now is spread out over maybe a century. And in one generation, I mean, think about it. We've gone from vinyl to digital music. I mean, how-

• 32:29Mayim Bialik?

  And back to vinyl.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  And yeah, how in the world, yeah, we are. How in the world did that happen? And, and I think we've gone through, through so much change. And, and we're wired to accept that change. We have to be willing to do that. But I, I think we will see that world. And I think that world is, I think we'll see it within our lifetimes. I don't think we're going to see mushroom clouds on the horizon. That is a potential we could have. Have you studied the Torah codes? Are you familiar with the Torah codes?

• 33:00Mayim Bialik?

  A bit, yes.

• 33:01Speaker 01

  Okay, I've worked with the, the scientists who've actually built that, the algorithms. One of them, just Eli Rips died recently. The other two are still, still here. One of the redeeming factors for me is when you look at the Torah codes, and I'm assuming our viewers know that the Torah codes are converting the first five books, Hebrew Bible, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, into number, the Gematrie equivalent of the letters, and using computer algorithms to search very specific sequences.

• 33:34Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, the book that came out that most people probably have heard of was Bible Code.

• 33:37Speaker 01

  Michael Drazin.

• 33:38Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, which scared a lot of people and it, you know.

• 33:40Speaker 01

  Well, here's the good news. The only two places where atomic holocaust, atomic war, nuclear, anything comes up, the last time that happened was in 83. So doesn't mean we won't have a limited exchange somewhere, but I don't think we're going to see nuclear winter and a lot of the frightening things that have been possible. I think, I think we've outgrown it. I think we switched that timeline enough. Enough of us chose peace in the world. All it takes, maybe you've done this experiment. If, if you send a projectile from the earth to the moon, And from the earth, you move that projectile, the trajectory, just a little bit. By the time it gets to the moon, it's way off.

• 34:24Speaker 01

  We don't have to all choose peace, but enough people can say, we don't want to hurt our brothers and sisters to solve our problems. That little shift, by the time we get to the timeline where the war happens, we're nowhere near that. And I think, I think we see that happen more than we give ourselves credit for.

• 34:43Mayim Bialik?

  Speaking of time, I want to ask about this fractal time calculator, which is really, really cool.

• 34:49Speaker 01

  I think we all remember the 2012 phenomenon that we're still actually playing out right now. 2012 was the year on the Mayan calendar. Many people said the world was going to end.

• 35:00Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, I knew those people.

• 35:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, they never said that. They said it was the end of one cycle and the beginning.

• 35:05Mayim Bialik?

  Tom did. Tom, if you're listening, I remember you said that.

• 35:08Speaker 01

  Well, they said it was the beginning of, the end of one cycle, the beginning of the cycle that comes next. But here's the interesting part. When you look at cosmological cycles, they don't turn on a dime. There's a buffer between the end of one cycle and the beginning of next. And there's a, there is a factor that you can apply to any cycle to know when that buffer is, and that is part of what we're doing here. So for 2012, for example, 2012 was the midpoint of a 36-year-long cycle, 18 years before and 18 years after. 18 years after is the year 2030. 2030 is the, technically, the end of the Mayan cycle. So my concept as, as a mathematician and someone who looks at cycles, I said, what

• 35:53Speaker 01

  if time is fractal? That concept had not been explored very much when I was writing this book. Not this book, but the fractal time book. And so I began exploring 9/11 from that perspective. If time is fractal, it means, what it means is that an event will set into motion a quality of energy that will repeat. The conditions on a knowable, predictable basis, that's true for world events, it's true for our own relationships. And to test it, the first one I tested was 9/11. So I said, what happened on 9/11? America was surprised and attacked. When was the last time that happened?

• 36:38Speaker 01

  Well, it was Pearl Harbor. So I took Pearl Harbor as what's called a seed date. I applied the algorithm and that seed date told me the next fractal cycles when I could expect America to be surprised and attacked again. September 11, 2001 was the third fractal of that. It doesn't predict it must happen. It says that the conditions that led to the first experience. I mean. What's that mean for human, human relationships? I am the product of a very dysfunctional, alcoholic, abusive family. And it shows up in my life in interesting ways. Let me do a good, a good example.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  My, my father left when I was 10. I lied about my age and went to work in a, a factory as a union worker. And I, I worked 4:00 PM to 4:00 AM, union, 12 hour shifts. As a 10 year old? No, I was 14 when I, when I began doing that. And I remember I was standing by a time clock where they used to hand out physical checks in the old days. And the foreman came up and he gave me this physical check. And he looked me in the eye and he said, a man's wages for a man's work. I mean, I,

• 37:58Speaker 01

  as a kid, trying to contribute to the family, that meant a lot to me. And that put into motion a, a cycle of abundance for me. And that cycle comes up when I got my first corporate book deal with Random House. It comes up when I got my first corporate job, even without a degree. I shouldn't have gotten my first job because I had no degree, but they needed the expertise. It was the, the Arab oil embargo. America needed oil. I had a rare combination of computer science and geology that not many people had. And they said, we're going to hire you.

• 38:41Speaker 01

  And the work you're doing, you can, you can apply that to your degree and you'll get your degree just by doing this job. And I said, You're gonna pay me to get my degree? And they said, yeah. And, and those were all, they all fell exactly on the fractal cycles of that first moment when I felt that feeling of, of what it felt like to be able to contribute to my family, contribute to the world and, and to be compensated for that in a meaningful way.

• 39:09Mayim Bialik?

  That's interesting.

• 39:09Speaker 01

  But I've also done the same thing with all my divorces.

• 39:12Mayim Bialik?

  How many times have you been divorced?

• 39:14Speaker 01

  You know, this is a hard business, relationships. I'm, I'm, I'm married to Martha. Martha is my, my fourth marriage.

• 39:22Mayim Bialik?

  Wow.

• 39:23Speaker 01

  It's almost, um, almost every, well, almost every 10 years. She got nervous in our 10 year.

• 39:29Mayim Bialik?

  I bet she did.

• 39:30Speaker 01

  But we're fifth, uh, this month is 15 years. So we have our 15 year.

• 39:34Mayim Bialik?

  That's really sweet.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:35Mayim Bialik?

  Uh, well, it's really fun and we'll include the link so that people can do their fractal time calculator.

• 39:39Speaker 01

  So what people can do is you can either use a year of a pivotal event or you can use your age of a pivotal event. It can be a good thing or it can be a healing. It can be an abundance experience. It can be a divorce, a breakup, because the point is that it's all energy. And when we have those experiences, there's an emotional imprint that will set into motion in the field of, of a cycle of energy and we'll, we'll repeat that on known and predictable sequences. And this is where it gets really interesting. There's a little place at the beginning, when a cycle ends and before the next one begins, there's a place where neither exists. Okay?

• 40:24Speaker 01

  In time, 2012, it's the 36 year cycle. All right? When anything goes. For humans, that point where one of our cycles ends before the next one begins is an opportunity called the choice point. And it's in that choice, you can always choose, but it is when the deck is stacked in your favor to energetically to make really good choices in life. And that's why I, and it's on our website. There's a fractal time calculator.

• 40:53Mayim Bialik?

  I remember when my kids were little, uh, there was, um, a series of kind of. Progressive holistic books about every year of your child's development. And they would always talk about that when you get near a birthday, something is stirring, you know? And I would notice that right, like right before a birthday, usually a couple of weeks, like there'd be an extra energy. And there was this notion, and for the hippies among us, you know, I would recount to my children, literally all the way through junior high and into high school, I would recount to them the night of their birth, what happened the night of their birth.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 41:30Mayim Bialik?

  You know, and it was like, it's an energy. And now it's like, oh, my gosh, she's gonna tell my birth story again.

• 41:34Speaker 01

  Again.

• 41:35Mayim Bialik?

  But the notion was, we're circling around, you know? We're, we're coming around to it. That's very, very interesting to me.

• 41:43Speaker 01

  It's, yeah, it's interesting. I, when my mom was alive on my birthday, you know dementia, they always say the, the oldest memories are the last to go. So when I was a kid, five years old, I always told my mom, I said, I'm gonna, I'm gonna live 200 years. I'm on the 200 year plan. And so every year I would go to see my mom and I'd point to her tummy on my birthday. And I'd say, I came from there and I'd say, thank you for bringing me in this world. And the last time before she, she passed, late stage dementia. And I pointed to her and I, I said, I said, you know, I, I came, I came from your tummy. And she goes, you did? And I said, yeah. And she goes, well, I guess I could wish you happy birthday.

• 42:26Speaker 01

  She said, but you're on the 200 year plan, so, so I don't have to. And it was that, one of those moments of clarity and, and then it was gone, but.

• 42:35Mayim Bialik?

  Did you ever connect with your dad or no?

• 42:38Speaker 01

  My father, he left when I was 10. I didn't know him well. And he, he died from all of the abuses of his body. I mean, everything you can imagine. He died pretty, pretty young.

• 42:50Mayim Bialik?

  You're an only child?

• 42:51Speaker 01

  No, I have a younger brother, four years younger.

• 42:52Mayim Bialik?

  Wow, what's he like?

• 42:54Speaker 01

  We are like night and day.

• 42:55Mayim Bialik?

  I was gonna say, I bet he's like a corporate, like.

• 42:58Speaker 01

  If we, no, if we, he proudly, I didn't, and I'm, maybe he's watching this, his name is Eric, sorry, Eric. He proudly calls himself a Missouri redneck. And we are like night and day. Wow. And we look different. We're built different. He's a very thick, um, uh, you know, midwestern stock. I'm, I have a more of a European body somehow. I guess it's, uh, you know, from, uh, from my mom's side. And, and he's a really, he has a good heart. He's a sweet man on the inside, a little, little tough on the outside. I have to say the passing of my mom brought us together in a way that we hadn't

• 43:38Speaker 01

  since we shared a house as kids, uh, to honor her in, in her passing. And it was sad, yet it was a very beautiful thing.

• 43:48Jonathan Cohen?

  I wonder if you have insights on dementia. My grandfather went through it.

• 43:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:53Jonathan Cohen?

  And recently, I forget who, uh, I heard it described that the soul or consciousness starts leaving the body and actually traveling around as someone has dementia. I'm curious what your insights are or, and from a spiritual perspective, what you think is happening.

• 44:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, well, this is why I want to do that experiment first. Think back to the neuron in Pong. That neuron is connecting to something that's not in the body. It's connecting the field. And what the, the science suggests is our memories don't live in our bodies. That our bodies are the antenna that connect to the place in the field where there are no secrets, where those memories live. For my mom, uh, I, I watched this happen and I've seen it happen with celebrities as well, but I'll use my mom specifically. She began saying in her sixties, she just wanted to forget all of the hurt in her life. She wanted to forget the abuse from her husband, my, my dad. She wanted to forget, uh, the suffering that her family had gone through.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  It's a Jewish family. Uh, they denied their Hebrew tradition, uh, changed their names. I mean, everything, didn't want anybody to know. And I have to say, when my mom left this world, she was a very happy woman because she'd forgotten everything that ever hurt her. And what that means biologically, this is how powerful we are. Her body, I took her to the Mayo Clinic in Scottsdale, Arizona, when she started having problems. I knew she had dementia, but they're different kinds. And we ran through weeks' worth of tests, and at the end, on a Friday afternoon, they bring it all together and they say, this is what's up. My mom's body began producing a chemical that matched her desire to forget everything that ever hurt her.

• 45:39Speaker 01

  What that chemical, well, you know this. That chemical lodged itself in the synapses and absorbed, she would have the attempt to access a memory, but the signal was absorbed by a chemical that would not allow that synapse to complete the transmission. So I think there's a pretty strong body of evidence out there. A lot of people call it anecdotal. Remember Ronald Reagan? When he was on trial, a bajillion times, he declared to the world that he'd forgotten, and ultimately, he did. I know others, elderly people, often as a result of trauma. And I'm going to speak specifically to trauma in war.

• 46:24Speaker 01

  The acts that they had committed as soldiers, male soldiers in war, that they never were taught how to reconcile. They had so much guilt around what they had done to another human in the name of war, that they wanted to forget those things. And the guilt that they felt around that. And our bodies are so smart. Your body, your body will just do what you ask your body to do. And your body says, you want to forget, I can do that for you. And that's from a psycho-spiritual perspective. I think there's a, it's more than anecdotal.

• 47:00Jonathan Cohen?

  So from that way of thinking, it's really the integrated person who is able to maintain the antennae and the access to all the information that they need in order to function properly. And it's from those deep parts of pain that feel unintegrated, unprocessed, that may increase the body's shutdown.

• 47:22Speaker 01

  Jonathan, I love it when you talk that way because you summarize that in a really beautiful way. What I'll say is that I've spent much of my adult life, I've been privileged and blessed to travel into some of the most isolated and beautiful and magnificent and remote and pristine places remaining in the world today to find the indigenous people and the legacy that they have left from the highlands of central China and Peru to Tibet and into Peru and the Yucatan and, you know, India and Nepal, all through the desert southwest and the Sudan and all the, not the Sudan, through the Sahara. And this is a common theme.

• 48:05Speaker 01

  It's not just, you know, American spirituality or Western spirituality, but they believe that there's a part of us that doesn't reside in the body, and that's what the science is suggesting, and that we have the ability to determine the quality of our access to that part of ourselves. If we do nothing and do nothing to maintain it and live the destructive lifestyle that we've been conditioned and indoctrinated to accept in the West, it appears to be common that we will lose access to that. It's not natural for us to do that. And I was with a friend of mine recently, he's 96, 97.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  He used to travel, all those trips, he was a liaison for a company that put all those trips together. And I talked to him recently and I said, you know, how are you doing? He says, oh, Greg, I have to tell you, I have to keep reminding myself, I'm not 90 anymore. You know, I can't do what I did when I was 90. And it's about a way of thinking.

• 49:07Jonathan Cohen?

  So if we create like another way of envisioning getting older, yes, you slow down a little bit, but you can maintain your faculty.

• 49:17Speaker 01

  It's not the aging that's the problem. It's not how far you've moved in time, it's whether or not you've deteriorated as you move through time. What the science is showing is that when we accept our divinity. When we love ourselves enough to accept the potential of what it means to be human, among the many things that happen, there are longevity enzymes that live in every human. We all have them that are awaiting a trigger that awakens them. That trigger, one of the triggers, is a decrease of molecular stress. This isn't stress from driving down the 680 freeway or... It's an internalized... Well, you know, we have stress when you drink water

• 50:00Speaker 01

  that is full of impurities, your body will compensate for that. You don't even know it, but that's a form of stress. Or when you eat food that hasn't been prepared well. Seed oils, for example, cooked in high heat. You can do it. It might taste good. Your body is compensating for that. You don't even know it. But on a molecular level, there's a lot going on. And when we accept all the potentials, including the potentials of super memory, super longevity, super resilience, super healing, heart-brain coherence is a big part of awakening those kinds of things and other... There are seven epigenetic triggers, I think, that will answer your question.

• 50:41Speaker 01

  Thought, feeling, emotion, breath, movement, nutrition, and focus. And these are with the Tibetan monks. The focus, where they put the focus in the body, how they feel about that part of the body. But the epigenetics shows us very clearly that we are soft and malleable all the way down. It's not just neuroplasticity. We're talking about cellular plasticity. We're talking about genetic plasticity. And that's what sets us apart from every other life. No other form of life was given the ability at will, on demand, when we choose to access those epigenetic triggers. It's our divinity that allows us to do that. The forces of evil that want to keep us repressed,

• 51:26Speaker 01

  of course, want to veil the power of human divinity. But rather than fight back on the forces, just live the divinity. Just live it. Just live your best life.

• 51:37Jonathan Cohen?

  I love the explanation of the seven points because it shows that there's internal mechanisms happening that our thoughts, our love, our spiritual connection is actually interplaying with. Years ago, this was like before the longevity movement. It was sort of in the early 2000s, I thought about lifespan. And this was sort of after I had talked and listened to Michael J. Lincoln talking about that consciousness experiment. I thought 135 seems like a good plan for how old someone could be. You're on the 200 year plan.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  Just rounded up to 200.

• 52:15Jonathan Cohen?

  Do you think that that is an achievable goal? Like, where did you get 200 from? Did it just pop into your head?

• 52:21Speaker 01

  Well, I was five years old. I don't know where that... It was part... When I was five years old, I almost died. I took... I'm looking at an electrical cable up here. I took an electrical cable in our house. And I'm not sure what I was thinking consciously, but I stripped all the insulation off and I walked over to a wall plug and I put one side in one and the other side in the other and held on for dear life. And it burned my hands, burned my face, burned all the hair off my face. It was... I'm lucky to be here. One of the consequences of that is that my body functions differently. When you survive that, your body functions differently. You metabolize a little bit differently. And I

• 53:06Speaker 01

  said to my mom at that time, I said, "I'm on the 200-year plan." And I'd like, "I want to see how this world turns out. I want to see all the good things. We've worked so hard. I want to see the good things that happen. And I would like to be able to help my global family any way I can. We're going through some very difficult times. And I think we're going to see more because there's an evolutionary process of breaking down the systems that are unsustainable. And the beauty is, the new systems aren't here yet. We're building them. And they can only be built if we have a vision of what's possible, and it begins with us. This is the thing. Everything we're building out here is a reflection of the way we see ourselves, the way we use the technology.

• 53:50Speaker 01

  If we believe we're weak and powerless, we're gonna ask that technology to do it for us. If we believe that we are a rare and precious form of life, and that that technology can support us in being the best version of ourselves, making good choices, and maybe exploring the world in ways we don't know how to do, that's a whole different, that's a whole different world. It's a whole different way of thinking.

• 54:14Jonathan Cohen?

  I have to ask about the electrocution, because we have a friend of the podcast who really had a beautiful episode with us, and we've kept in touch with, a woman named Elizabeth Crone, who got struck by lightning. She nearly died, medically died, came back, saw herself, had a whole extrasensory experience, where she believed that she was in a garden for two weeks, and got downloaded all this sort of information. I'm curious if that electrocution, you know, if you were only five, did it change your consciousness?

• 54:44Speaker 01

  Do you really want, you want, you wanna talk about this? I'm okay to talk about, people don't ask, so I don't talk about it much. I'll tell you exactly what happened. It happened in broad daylight. I couldn't speak. I couldn't even tell my mom what had happened. I was just in shock. In those days, doctors used to come to the house, back in the olden, back in the olden days. I was lying in my bed, waiting for the doctor that my mom had called, and my bed was in the corner of a room. So I had a wall behind me and a wall to one side. In broad daylight, while I was there, all of a sudden, I felt two hands underneath the back of my head, and I knew they couldn't be there, because there's a wall behind me.

• 55:26Speaker 01

  And I rolled my head back, and I could see a being behind me that had my head in his cradled hands, and that my feet was a second one. They were very tall, they had maroon colored robes, and I couldn't see their faces, because they had hoods.

• 55:44Mayim Bialik?

  Were you out of your body?

• 55:46Speaker 01

  No, I was lying in that bed. I was very conscious. And that was the first time I became aware of a world that other people couldn't see, that I was seeing in that moment. And that certainly influenced my ability to think differently about the world. There was a communication that happened that has been constant since that time. And I know what those voices sound like. As a scientist, I don't talk about it a lot because it, there's no context. But you asked.

• 56:21Mayim Bialik?

  What do you believe they were?

• 56:23Speaker 01

  They are.

• 56:24Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, were they angels? Were they guides? Were they?

• 56:26Speaker 01

  I don't use those terms. I think it was a, they were higher dimensional life force, maybe from outside the simulation. That's the beauty in the simulation. You can pop in and you can pop out.

• 56:40Jonathan Cohen?

  Or they are just another part of the simulation. If the physical reality is only part of it and that all the information exists in the field, then of course there are beings in the field that are operating outside of our visual wavelength.

• 56:56Speaker 01

  That's very true. Yeah. And that was, that was my first experience of a world that I couldn't see, but that I knew they existed because I was seeing it. My mom came in and she said she didn't see anyone. I said, you can't see these beings and.

• 57:12Jonathan Cohen?

  Cause at five, you don't have the filter to say, wait a second, I shouldn't be talking about this.

• 57:16Speaker 01

  So the rest of the story, two weeks later, I, I had a drowning. I walked into a swimming pool on the shell.

• 57:22Mayim Bialik?

  That didn't calculate in my fractal calendar of when you were five. Wasn't supposed to happen until you were eight point zero nine oh.

• 57:29Speaker 01

  I, I literally, I walked into a pool and just kept walking into the water, got deeper and deeper and just let go. Uh, and.

• 57:36Mayim Bialik?

  Were you a spooky kid?

• 57:38Speaker 01

  I wasn't. What was going on for you? I remember it, it felt, it felt good to let go. And then there was a voice that said, do you want to leave this world? Remember, this is a dysfunctional family. And I said, no. And then somebody pulled me out of the water and that's when it hurt. When it hurt, when they started, they had to pump the water out of my lungs and my nose and, and all that. But the point that I was, before that happened, it was an amazing. It taught me what it felt, feels like to let go, to absolutely let go. And that has become a very powerful point of reference.

• 58:17Mayim Bialik?

  Okay. I want to ask you another question. When did you first meet God?

• 58:21Speaker 01

  I don't know. I don't think of God probably the way that you think of God.

• 58:24Mayim Bialik?

  Maybe I don't think of God the way you think I think of God.

• 58:28Speaker 01

  Well, from, this is where the Gnostic texts are fascinating to me. And you have to ask, why would they have been banned? And why did so much energy go into keeping the translations public for? They were discovered 1945. The Vatican still is fighting to have some of them never be released. They describe a reality that I think is much closer to the reality that we live in. An ultimate reality, if you want to call it the monad is the term that they use of pure energy, pure light. I think that's the god. And that there are forces below that that have created artificial copies.

• 59:13Speaker 01

  And there are localized gods that your friend was talking about. I think that's what your friend was referring to. Very powerful beings, but not the being. And every once in a while, we have someone from that realm comes into our world and shows us what's possible as a reference point, not to be worshiped, but to say, remember who you are. Wake up to the truth of who you are. And we've had those throughout history. And I think that's very possible in a simulation where somebody on the outside says, hey, they need a little help and somebody pops in. And the thing about a simulation, you know, we say you live 100 years

• 59:55Speaker 01

  and you're talking to your guides and you say, thank you, guide for waiting, you know, 50 years for me to get back with you. And the guides, they're saying 50 years to you is like a minute to us. Because that's the way a simulation works. You can live 100 years here. It might be 10 minutes in that simulation. And then you try it again and you try it again to see, you know, where you can improve.

• 1:00:18Jonathan Cohen?

  We are running out of time. There, we could spend another four hours talking to you.

• 1:00:24Speaker 01

  So we should, we should hit record and go ahead and start, start the conversation. This is a great warm up.

• 1:00:29Jonathan Cohen?

  Do you consider that you have either mediumship or extrasensory ability? That is helping you bring all this information into this now? And for anyone who is trying to connect and access their divinity and is struggling in life?

• 1:00:46Jonathan Cohen?

  Obviously, briefly, given that we're running out of time, what would you say to them?

• 1:00:49Speaker 01

  Well, you just asked two questions. I think we all have that divinity. We all have that potential. I've spent my lifetime healing the hurt and the trauma that I experienced early in life as a path. And I'm a student. I'm still learning. I think the question is, I ask myself, do I love myself enough to open the door to accepting the truth of my own divinity? And what can I do to make that a little easier for the next, and a little easier for the next? And that's the way it seems to work. Somebody has to do these things first. It's always been that way. And once, once somebody anchors a possibility, the four-minute mile, you know that story. It's a beautiful story.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  Once hadn't been, been achieved hundreds of years. Once somebody did it, within a month, other people were doing it because somebody had to do it first, and they become the living bridge for those that want to do it, and it becomes easier for the next, and the next. And I think we do that for one another. We're doing it for one another. And, and I want to thank you for your trust. Because the truth is, you didn't know what we were gonna do today, for trusting with your community, and for the, being the hub of the community that you're creating.

• 1:02:00Mayim Bialik?

  Thank you.

• 1:02:01Speaker 01

  Because I think it's really important to have honest conversations that, and I, I don't think, really, you and I see things all that differently. When we're looking at, we're scientists, you look at data, and that data, it's the way we interpret the data, you know? But there are a lot of stories out there that want us to see the data in a certain way. And I think the hardest thing for me has been to cross the traditional boundaries that have separated the sciences and, and the way I was taught in the past, to weave that knowledge into a wisdom that makes more sense and allows us to apply, apply it in the lives of our friends and in the world that we have today. So, thank you for that, and thank you for the conversation.

• 1:02:44Mayim Bialik?

  The book is Peer Human: The Hidden Truth of Our Divinity, Power, and Destiny. What does your hair do on the weekends?

• 1:02:52Speaker 01

  You know, they told me-

• 1:02:53Mayim Bialik?

  Like, do you put a baseball cap on?

• 1:02:54Speaker 01

  They told me, when I was in my 40s, if I could keep it through 40s, it'd be okay. And then they said the same thing in 50s, and they said the same thing in 60s, and now they said the same thing in 70s.

• 1:03:03Mayim Bialik?

  But does it do this all weekend?

• 1:03:04Speaker 01

  In 70s. I'm just happy it's there.

• 1:03:08Mayim Bialik?

  Thank you so much, Greg Braden, really. Pleasure to talk to you.

• 1:03:11Jonathan Cohen?

  Thank you, it's been a pleasure. If you aren't already following us on Substack, check out MindBee Alex Breakdown on Substack. It's where the Breaker community is congregating and getting exclusive content that's not released anywhere else. Mayim and I are going to look at the Fractal Time website, and we are gonna plug in some of our own dates to see where the opportunity for new experiences, where the situation is ripe for having amazing breakthroughs, potentially.

• 1:03:40Mayim Bialik?

  We should put in when we started our Substack and see what happens, and when next we'll have a creative moment.

• 1:03:46Jonathan Cohen?

  I wanna look at the moment that you first started acting, your beaches moment. I wanna look at your divorce moment. I wanna look at the moment where I first came into the podcast room-

• 1:03:57Mayim Bialik?

  Sounds like a real hoot.

• 1:03:58Jonathan Cohen?

  And had this wild sense of déjà vu or remembering that I've described in the past.

• 1:04:03Mayim Bialik?

  The first thing you're gonna want is when you got Archie.

• 1:04:06Jonathan Cohen?

  I'll look at when I got Archie. I also wanna look at my brother's accident when I was 14 and see what were the circumstances surrounding that. Would be fascinating. I have the exact date that we can look at. So, follow us on Substack, and-

• 1:04:20Mayim Bialik?

  From our breakdown to the one we hope you never have, we'll see you next time in the simulation.