Spiritual Awakening Changed Lee Harris’ Life & How We Can All Connect to Higher Consciousness

Psychic Channeler Lee Harris Reveals What Spirit Guides Say About Our Energy & Humanity's Future What if everything you thought you knew about intuition, love, death, and consciousness is only scratching the surface? In this energy update filled with spiritual awakening, channeling, and enlightenment, energy intuitive and psychic medium Lee Harris (author of The Future Human) shares jaw-dropping insights from his 88 spirit guides, "The Z’s," about humanity’s next big awakening—a spiritual shift that’s already underway and accelerating over the next decade. Lee opens up about his early struggles with identity, disordered eating, and sexuality, and how these became unlikely portals to spirituality and self-love. He recounts the first time he received a channeled message, his fear that the voices might be schizophrenia, and why not everyone is destined for a spiritual path—even though we all have access to higher consciousness, guidance, and the positive vibes of the universe. Lee Harris also breaks down: - What The Z’s say about the Epstein case and what it reveals about humanity’s shadow - Why near death experiences (NDEs) are powerful gateways to the spirit realm - The connection between "A Course in Miracles" and the new human consciousness - How writing down messages from the universe unlocks intuitive gifts - Why CEOs are turning to channelers for spiritual guidance and insight - How to raise your emotional vibration and help elevate planetary frequency - The emotional and spiritual benefits of somatic therapy - How to protect your energy as an empath in a noisy world - The cosmic truth about love as a vibrational frequency - Lee’s live channeled message for the MBB podcast—and what it’s bringing into the world Whether you’re on a spiritual awakening journey, exploring the law of attraction, diving into "A Course in Miracles", or simply seeking more happiness and positive vibes, this episode is a heart-opening, perception-shifting conversation you won’t want to miss. Lee Harris' latest book, THE FUTURE HUMAN: New Ways of Living and Being on Earth: https://a.co/d/gSPjig5 Learn more about Lee Harris and his work: http://www.leeharrisenergy.com/ Start your new morning ritual & get up to 43% off your @MUDWTR with code BREAK at mudwtr.com/break https://ambassadors.mudwtr.com/BREAK! #mudwtrpod Follow us on Substack for Exclusive Bonus Content: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bialikbreakdown.substack.com/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠BialikBreakdown.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://www.bialikbreakdown.com/ YouTube.com/mayimbialik https://www.youtube.com/mayimbialik%E2%81%A0 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices https://megaphone.fm/adchoices See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Speaker 00

  I don't remember having telepathic communication before, so it's very interesting how normal it felt. I literally heard from above my head, this very loud and clear voice say, "That's an interesting theory, but you're wrong. And here's why."

• 0:13Mayim Bialik?

  You were not on drugs.

• 0:14Speaker 00

  No.

• 0:15Mayim Bialik?

  You were not drunk.

• 0:16Speaker 00

  Not only my mind calmed down, but there was a different opening and feeling in my body, which I now know as channeled energy. I said, "What are you?" And they said, "We are your guides."

• 0:27Speaker 02

  Lee Harris is a renowned psychic channeler. Over a million people a month seek his spiritual advice on health, relationships, and finance.

• 0:35Speaker 00

  Everyone is in relationship with other dimensions. We all have access to spirit and to our higher self or our soul.

• 0:42Jonathan Cohen?

  Do the Z's have any information about the Epstein drama?

• 0:45Speaker 00

  There is truth in it, and it is being used to divert your attention away from other things. They've talked about planetary control and that that's a current goal and aim for a very small shadow group on the planet. And that is something that's been playing out, they say, for a very long time. But it's rising to the surface to be publicly seen now. And the question is, how bad does it have to get before it gets better? Do you want me to tell you something about yourself?

• 1:11Mayim Bialik?

  Uh-oh.

• 1:19Mayim Bialik?

  Hi, I'm Iain Bialik.

• 1:20Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm Jonathan Cohen.

• 1:21Mayim Bialik?

  And welcome to our Breakdown.

• 1:23Jonathan Cohen?

  We're here to ask, why am I here?

• 1:27Mayim Bialik?

  We're here to ask, what are the abilities that I have been given that allow me to change the world?

• 1:33Jonathan Cohen?

  Big questions today. And this is a topic that we were worried about tackling, would you say?

• 1:42Mayim Bialik?

  Very worried, very skeptical, very concerned about what we would be sharing with this audience.

• 1:47Jonathan Cohen?

  Tell us more.

• 1:49Mayim Bialik?

  Well, we're speaking to someone who was on a sort of spiritual journey in his 20s and received information from a voice that was not his. And his first thought was, "Am I schizophrenic?" And his second thought was, "I don't think so. What is happening?" And he is someone who...

• 2:14Mayim Bialik?

  Is very grounded, very intelligent, very interested in trying to understand the skills and abilities that he believes he was given. He is an intuitive. He is a, um, he's someone who channels. He channels information and has a large and devoted following of people who seek advice about relationships and finance and work. And he's a musician. His name is Lee Harris. And his latest book, The Future Human: New Ways of Living and Being on Earth, is available. It's kind of an unbelievable story, and I don't really want to say a lot more.

• 2:58Mayim Bialik?

  I think if you've ever, um, if you've ever experienced something that felt like it was coming from outside of you, you'll want to hear someone describe very specifically what it feels like in his body, what it sounds like in his head, and why he thinks he was placed here with this information.

• 3:18Jonathan Cohen?

  Just before we get into this episode, I want to take 30 seconds. If you aren't already subscribed to the podcast, please do us a favor. Subscribe anywhere you're listening right now or on YouTube. Click the little bell notification to get notified of new episodes. It really does help us out so much. And our pledge to you is we are going to do our best to have the most interesting guests cover the widest range of topics that mean the most to you. We cannot thank you enough. Thank you so much for being here with us on this journey.

• 3:48Mayim Bialik?

  And with that, we're going to welcome in person Lee Harris. He leads a vibrant online community. He reaches 1 million people every month. The Portal is his online events and members community. And he's also an accomplished music producer and singer-songwriter. Also, you can learn more about Lee Harris at leeharrisenergy.com. Very excited to welcome Lee Harris to The Breakdown in person.

• 4:11Speaker 04

  Break it down.

• 4:14Mayim Bialik?

  Lee Harris, welcome to The Breakdown.

• 4:16Speaker 00

  I'm very happy to be here. Thank you for having me.

• 4:18Mayim Bialik?

  So you have a question for us to get started?

• 4:20Speaker 00

  Yes, it was, "Why am I here?"

• 4:24Jonathan Cohen?

  Like on Earth?

• 4:25Speaker 00

  Well, no, that question I'm working on myself. I was more, I was more, I was very pleased to get the invite, but I was like, oh, that's curious.

• 4:34Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm curious why that was curious. And this is not a trick question.

• 4:38Mayim Bialik?

  Because we are such distinguished intellectuals in the scientific realm that he might think, why do we want to talk?

• 4:44Jonathan Cohen?

  Is that, was that the reason? Like, what struck you?

• 4:47Speaker 00

  I'll tell you. So I think I, I think I saw several episodes of your show about two or three years ago and I thought it was great. And, but I also, I think maybe at the time, I didn't think I would be the kind of guest you would have on.

• 5:01Mayim Bialik?

  You could be right.

• 5:02Speaker 00

  Right.

• 5:02Mayim Bialik?

  Meaning from years ago.

• 5:03Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was a couple, yeah, two or three years ago, maybe, when I first saw it. So I was, I was familiar with the podcast and then you are an imprint from my childhood because of Beaches.

• 5:14Mayim Bialik?

  Oh.

• 5:15Speaker 00

  So, and, and you know, I always have said this about your performance in Beaches is one of those rare child actor performances where they got it right.

• 5:24Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, that's really sweet.

• 5:25Speaker 00

  Where the kid didn't just look like the person they had cast, but also had the energy. Like you believed that you and Bette Midler were the same person, which is super rare. So I watched Beaches so many times in my teenage years. So it was kind of triffy to go, oh, okay, I'm gonna have to.

• 5:39Jonathan Cohen?

  I'm not saying that the answer is we search out people who love Beaches to bring them on the podcast.

• 5:46Mayim Bialik?

  In this very chair, quite recently, Johann Hari, who is not from necessarily the exact place you're from, but has a British accent.

• 5:54Jonathan Cohen?

  Right.

• 5:55Mayim Bialik?

  He also was a huge Beaches fan and we talked about it. And I actually just wrote a piece for Substack about Beaches and about that experience and how it came about. So that's just very funny and interesting. I think that the fact that you weren't sure why you're here is, I think, a bit of a testament to what we see as kind of the evolution of this podcast.

• 6:20Jonathan Cohen?

  Right.

• 6:20Mayim Bialik?

  Which is that, you know, we started as sort of democratizing mental health.

• 6:24Jonathan Cohen?

  The more experts we spoke to, the more common it was that.

• 6:30Jonathan Cohen?

  The notion that people should and it would benefit them to have a connection to something greater than themselves was a profoundly reoccurring theme, topic, and set of advice. And how to do that, there, you know, all roads lead to Rome, right? There are endless ways to do that. And we've looked at the scientific, we've looked at the mystical, we looked at the science overlapping the mystical. And what's interesting about this world, which is a little bit more where I come from, is that I was always a very skeptical seeker. I come from a very rational, practical, logical background.

• 7:11Jonathan Cohen?

  It makes more sense when someone can explain the mechanisms than when they can't. And the more I explored spirituality, alternative medicine, alternative healing, the more out there it can get. And the more discerning one has to be, because there can be things that are seemingly mind-opening and expanding, that seem absolutely crazy, that have validity. It can seem out there, but you can also start to explain the tradition and the mythology and why it makes sense. And then there's other people who are like, "I'm gonna wave crystals over you and I'm gonna..." The list goes on about how it can be weirder and stranger.

• 7:54Jonathan Cohen?

  So, to tie it back to you and why you're here, I think it's important to have conversations with people from all different walks of the energetic and consciousness world. We have doctors, we have people who are studying this in labs, and people who speak about their experience outside of labs. And then we also have a variety of others, and I think you may fall into the other category.

• 8:20Mayim Bialik?

  For me, I was raised with a concept of God that I have kept. It was big enough to hold all of my questions and all those things. So I have, you know, a concept of God, and I took on a lot of observance, a lot of ritual in college, and I was very, I lived a very traditional religious, you know, kind of existence. And also I'm trained as a scientist. I don't find any conflict between those. So for me, I'm very interested when... When I start hearing the same words in different languages, that's when I get interested in what's that oneness? And what's the, you know, what is something universal that we can kind of learn? So, you know, we've had Teresa Caputo here, right? And then we've had theoretical physicists here.

• 9:06Mayim Bialik?

  And, you know, I'm always interested in listening for this similarity to try and find, like, if there is something out there, right? Which I believe there is. It's gonna speak to people in different ways. It's gonna speak to different cultures in different ways. It's gonna speak to different individuals. And what you can offer us is a very personal experience of contact.

• 9:27Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah.

• 9:27Mayim Bialik?

  That I think a lot of people, on one hand, might dismiss. And we'll talk about that. And you, you deal with it head on, you know? And I, I appreciate that as well. And we have other people who may not be able to explain it, but believe it. And then we have people who don't need to explain it because they believe it, right?

• 9:47Jonathan Cohen?

  We also have people who, if it's not explained in a lab, don't want to know about it.

• 9:51Speaker 00

  Of course, yeah. That's the world.

• 9:53Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 9:54Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 9:54Mayim Bialik?

  It's most of the world, yeah. I'll be honest, you know, there's many aspects to this conversation that I'm not exactly sure how to approach.

• 10:02Jonathan Cohen?

  Right.

• 10:03Mayim Bialik?

  But I think we're just gonna, you know, kind of dive right in. We will also do an intro, just so you know, before, like, once you're gone, we'll read your bio and, you know, we'll do that. So, um, we'll cover all that stuff, too.

• 10:15Jonathan Cohen?

  Or where do you want to start?

• 10:16Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, I know exactly where I want to start.

• 10:19Jonathan Cohen?

  Go ahead.

• 10:20Mayim Bialik?

  I'm excited. Okay. You have a personal connection to something greater than all of us that you didn't always have contact with.

• 10:32Speaker 00

  No.

• 10:33Mayim Bialik?

  I wonder if you can tell us a little bit about who you were before a very specific, literally life-shattering, life-changing revelation came to you, I believe, when you were on a subway?

• 10:47Speaker 00

  Yes. And that happened when I was 23. So, 26 years ago now. So, who I was? I was, at that age, I was someone who was recovering from dealing with the impact of a childhood where...

• 11:07Speaker 00

  I knew that people weren't telling the truth about what they were feeling. So you could say empathy, sensitivity. But of course, I didn't have a cognitive awareness of that. So of course, it's easy to look back now and say that. But at the time, I was dealing with my experience of the world not quite making sense. I was also dealing with sexuality because I knew I was gay from a young age. And I was told by the world that was going to be a huge problem. And that I wouldn't find love, I wouldn't be able to experience what all my peers and friends and loved ones experienced. So there were those two aspects moving through me. And I'd come out of a period of bulimia after losing sixty pounds at the age of sixteen. Wow.

• 11:51Speaker 00

  So I'd had this very interesting kind of journey with identity. I knew what it was to wear a body that people treated you a certain way for. And then when I lost all the weight, I noticed that the way everyone treated me changed. And rather than that being a good thing and just like, well, hey, I managed to achieve the goal of what I wanted, which was to not be carrying all the extra weight. What really struck me was the very same people who would have scowled at me or scorned me now appreciate. So there was this very dysmorphic sense of whoa, what is the world and how do people relate to each other? But I hadn't worked anything out. I was really just trying to recover. So I got very into self-growth and spirituality and metaphysics at the age of sixteen.

• 12:36Speaker 00

  And a friend took me to a tarot reading. And at that tarot reading, everything made sense. And it wasn't just the information she was giving me that was very interesting and was very unusually accurate about my past and what I'd experienced so far. The past I could verify, the future you can't verify, but the past I was like, oh, how does she, how is this appearing? Or can you? Well, yes, you can, you can actually. But I couldn't verify it at the time because it was all new to me. But something in that room felt true. So I read a lot, I studied a lot. There was a book by Shirley MacLaine that was pivotal for me called Out on a Limb. But the one area of that book, and it was a huge book, lots of people read it, was she

• 13:20Speaker 00

  visited a channeler. And that was something I wasn't interested in. It wasn't something I thought... I loved Tara readers and intuitives, but to me, a channeler was just a bit beyond. And a friend took me to see one. And I remember coming out of that with this guy and saying to her as we drove home in the car, well, he's really intuitive because he knew things about me he shouldn't have known. And the things he was telling me about my future were really interesting. But why did he have to close his eyes and put on a funny voice? He's clearly intuitive. Why the performance? I didn't need that. I'm a believer. I don't need a performance. Because he didn't seem like someone who would fake something. But channeling to me was weird and it was not necessary. I was into self-growth.

• 14:05Speaker 00

  I was into intuition. Channeling was a step beyond. And then it happened to me.

• 14:09Mayim Bialik?

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• 15:40Mayim Bialik?

  Before we get into what happened to you, where would you say your sort of faith was? Meaning, did you believe in God? Did you believe in, you know, any sort of that?

• 15:54Speaker 00

  I must have believed in God because at the age of 10, I was praying to God to take away the fact I was gay. And I did that for years, hoping that there would be some divine intervention. Of course, not realizing, oh, you can actually be a happy gay person. You're just living at a time where it's still new. And, you know, and there's going to be some work to do to uncover and recover yourself.

• 16:17Mayim Bialik?

  But did you decide that God must not exist because I'm still gay? Or did you, I mean, now in retrospect, obviously, God loved you exactly the way that you are.

• 16:25Speaker 00

  Yeah, I didn't, I didn't grow up in a religious household. It was very loose. You know, we went to church a few times over the years, but it was more like, oh, it's Christmas. Or, so no, I didn't grow up with religion. But I did believe in spirit. And I had direct experiences with spirit that were quite undeniable to me. I mean, I was buying all the books. I was going to workshops. I was checking out shamanism. I was exploring because I was like, there is something about this world that makes our world make way more sense to me. Because our world feels like watching an old black-and-white movie that isn't very good. And you go, you add spirit to our world, and suddenly the color is back. Things are 3D. Sensory abilities are celebrated in this world.

• 17:10Speaker 00

  And I think what I didn't know was I was a shut-down but highly sensory person.

• 17:16Mayim Bialik?

  Before we get to the moment that Lee as we knew him became a different Lee.

• 17:24Mayim Bialik?

  I'm gonna ask you a hard question because we're just getting to know each other, but I think it's important because it's something that also comes up a lot. You can be as specific or as vague as you would like. Many people who are in touch with different levels of consciousness, either theirs or other people's, have experienced trauma, either capital T or lowercase t, depends on a definition. But there seems to be, what we keep hearing is this thread of, if you've had to leave your body, if you've had to be in touch with something to escape this reality, does it make you more attuned to being able to step outside of your body or experience other realities? Would you say you fell into this classification?

• 18:10Speaker 00

  I think so. When you put it that way and I look at my upbringing, I was always somewhat on the outside, even though I could connect and I had, I had good relationships and I came from a family that, that was love. So it wasn't family that was my issue, it was more dealing with the world at large.

• 18:27Mayim Bialik?

  Okay. So, take us to the day

• 18:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 18:32Mayim Bialik?

  that your world changed.

• 18:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, so I, I was working in fundraising at the time and I was on my way to the office. I was trying to break into the music industry unsuccessfully at the time. And so I was going through in my head all of my own negative thoughts, like what I called my self-attack or self-judge. And they were very present and I knew that voice so well. Like, the voice didn't scare me, it was just how loud is it gonna get today? And how much is that gonna depress me? And I was in a relationship at the time and I was asking a question about him. And I, I was, I was just kind of in my head, kind of going, oh yeah, I'm sure that's, yeah, that's definitely his fault and why, why is he?

• 19:17Speaker 00

  And I very clearly, from above my head, and this is still where I hear them if I speak to them directly, which is different to if I'm channeling them for other people. I hear them from here and I literally heard this very loud and clear voice say, "That's an interesting theory, but you're wrong." And here's why.

• 19:36Mayim Bialik?

  Were you on drugs?

• 19:38Speaker 00

  No.

• 19:38Mayim Bialik?

  Were you drunk?

• 19:39Speaker 00

  It was the morning. No, it was like.

• 19:41Mayim Bialik?

  Please, never stop me before late.

• 19:42Speaker 00

  No, no, no. Well, okay, okay. No, I wasn't.

• 19:45Mayim Bialik?

  So you were not on drugs?

• 19:46Speaker 00

  No.

• 19:47Mayim Bialik?

  You were not drunk?

• 19:48Speaker 00

  No, and I was on one of the most disconnected places on earth, which is the subway. That was, that's the thing. When I look back at it, I'm like, shouldn't this have happened in some spiritual retreat or monastery? No, it happened in the place where everyone is shut down, everyone is avoiding each other. But that was something I was familiar with. In a way, I was familiar with a level of that being the truth of life.

• 20:10Mayim Bialik?

  So?

• 20:10Speaker 00

  So the voice said, you're wrong, and here's why. And it gave me this answer that was shockingly true. Because as soon as I heard it, I went, oh. It was like a wise friend giving you the piece of information. But two things happened. If my body and my energy field, because of my self-attack, before I heard the voice, kind of looked a bit like, you know, kind of like this. During the, however many sentences it was where they explained why this was my issue, what the issue was and why it was bothering me. Not only my mind calmed down, but my body just kind of opened. And I felt myself, it felt different. There was a different opening and feeling in my body, which I now know as channeled energy.

• 20:54Speaker 00

  But at the time, that was the thing. It wasn't just words. It was a, it was a liberation energetically. And so very quickly, I thought to myself, uh-oh, what is this? And I said, what are you? And they said, we are your guides.

• 21:13Mayim Bialik?

  Were you talking out loud? You're talking in your head?

• 21:15Speaker 00

  No, no, no, not, no, not on the subway.

• 21:16Mayim Bialik?

  Well, I mean, if you're hearing voices, you might as well talk out loud to them.

• 21:19Speaker 00

  It's a really good point because I don't remember having telepathic communication before. So it's very interesting how normal it felt. People often say to me, were you scared? And I'm like, no. The only time I got scared was when I realized I might have to explain this to other people. I was completely comfortable with it because it felt so loving, so comfortable, loving in a clear way. It wasn't pandering to me because I went, I asked loads of questions over those first few. Few weeks and months and it never pandered. It would always tell me if I was wrong or and why, but not in a judgy way. But the the kind of the thing that was that hit me when I asked, are you my guides? I said, do you have a name? And they said, well, we don't have names, but we know humans need names.

• 22:03Speaker 00

  So you can call me Zachary and I'm the lead spokesperson for the guides. And at this time, I had never heard of a group. All I'd heard about was, you know, I'd heard of a few channelers and they channeled an entity or a being. So spirit guides to me was very acceptable. It wasn't like they said, we're aliens from the 20th dimension, which I'd have been like, oh, you know, I would have been scared of that, but because I understood they were my guides. I started this relationship with them that I would go home and I would write a question. Then I would write what I would hear like a telephonist or a receptionist.

• 22:36Mayim Bialik?

  Okay, okay. This is, I mean, this is, it's fascinating. It's fascinating, but I I'm going to ask like an obvious question. And I want a real answer to it, right? So sometimes I'll think things.

• 22:49Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 22:50Mayim Bialik?

  And I will hear the thoughts in my head, right? That's not what you're talking about. Okay, so this is what this is what I'm interested in. When we talk to people, let's say, who've had near death experiences. And they go away. And then they come back. They overwhelmingly come back with what can only be described as a download. Meaning the time that they're gone is not enough time for them to learn the things that they learned that they didn't know before.

• 23:24Speaker 00

  Right.

• 23:24Mayim Bialik?

  So Elizabeth Krone, a person who was struck by lightning, had a near death experience. We've had her on the podcast. She

• 23:33Mayim Bialik?

  received information within a few minutes that she was out that fills volumes of pages. Things about quantum time, like the nature of our existence. Like the amount of information is like a download. So when you are talking about this.

• 23:56Mayim Bialik?

  I might think, well, gosh, Lee, you just, you just didn't realize that this problem you had, it was you, and you finally heard yourself speaking rationally to yourself. How can we know, meaning, how could you know, that this information was not literally generated by yourself, but was coming from elsewhere? Meaning, you can believe it, which you do, but I want to know what it feels like to know that for you.

• 24:29Speaker 00

  I'm gonna answer you now, age 49, which is, I know there is no elsewhere there. So now I just know there is no elsewhere. There are different levels of focus. There are, we can focus in different levels of dimension, different levels of reality. It's all about where our focus goes. I also do not believe that what happened to me is, I mean, I guess it seems unusual, but...

• 24:51Mayim Bialik?

  Just a little bit.

• 24:52Speaker 00

  I know, I know. But what I, what I teach people is we all have access to spirit, and we all have access to our higher self or our soul, and a wisdom voice or a wisdom point that might be the same one we draw from for friends in our life, but for ourselves, we just never access it, we don't get out of the way. I've always said, if I died and they said, by the way, the guides was a cover story for God, I'm like, cool. I, I really don't, I actually don't care about the position of where the information is coming from, but what was undeniable to me was it changed my life. It changed my perspective. It didn't make everything perfect immediately, because like all of us, I'm a human learning my lessons.

• 25:35Speaker 00

  But it forever changed what I believed about this reality, and it started to include this other dimension, so...

• 25:43Jonathan Cohen?

  What were you wrong about in the relationship that was not the other person's fault?

• 25:48Speaker 00

  Oh, I thought it was something to do, I'm trying to go back to the story now, but I think it was something to do with, I just thought he was behaving badly and wrong. And then I was shown, no, you haven't communicated clearly. You have triggered him. It's something I didn't even know, like something about his past that I had triggered, that when I actually spoke to him about it, he was like, how did you know that? So this was for me... If you're talking about evidence, there were things that they would tell me in those first few months about people that I knew or things, aspects of the world, aspects of the planet that I couldn't prove. But then, when I would watch them play out with the people, I'd be like, oh, wow, they were absolutely right.

• 26:33Speaker 00

  They would be, no, don't talk to your sister, but she is very in grief right now. And in a couple of weeks, you're gonna find out why. But it's not appropriate for you to talk to her. It'll be too much for her. Two weeks later, she would, and I'd be like, oh. So there was this strange reality with time that I started to find myself on a travel later, that I sometimes had access to future information. But again, it was very much if I asked. And the one thing that did go through my head very quickly was, uh-oh, is this schizophrenia?

• 27:04Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, yes.

• 27:05Speaker 00

  Which 26 years ago was the name we would have known for this phenomena.

• 27:10Mayim Bialik?

  Meaning hearing voice. I mean, there's other features of schizophrenia. But when you talk about what would be deemed auditory hallucinations, that's the first thing you would think, that's schizophrenia.

• 27:20Speaker 00

  And my reaction to that question to myself was, well, I got a really useful one, so I'm just gonna, I'm gonna keep quiet, cuz this one is not blowing up the party. This one, I was like, I'll just keep quiet. But I, you know, I stayed open to that. And I still, I mean, still to this day, I can't, you know, and it's funny when people go, how can you prove it? I'm like, I'm not here to prove it. I'm here living. There are people that what I have done through me have been helped by it. And I think my, probably my biggest job in the work I do is to be an ambassador for this, for other people's experiences. I've had so many people come up to me privately because of my public channeling. And they're like CEOs of huge businesses. And they come up at the party and they go, I wouldn't tell anyone else this,

• 28:05Speaker 00

  but I've been running my business through channeling for the last five years. So people confess and confide their experiences to me.

• 28:12Jonathan Cohen?

  It's actually shocking how many executives lean into extrasensory abilities and consulting with people who have information outside of direct metrics.

• 28:24Speaker 00

  True.

• 28:25Jonathan Cohen?

  Now, often, they wanna validate that with actual metrics, but there are so many. People that you will start to meet in extremely high performing businesses that are in multi billion dollar companies and you're like, you're into what? You're open to this? And like, there's a split, obviously. There are some people who like, won't go near that at all.

• 28:47Speaker 00

  Of course.

• 28:48Jonathan Cohen?

  But the number of people in that world who are open to it is actually quite shocking. If you think about what you just described, just in that relationship, that you all of a sudden have a different perspective of a problem.

• 29:03Jonathan Cohen?

  That is divine intervention, right? Like, we, I forget what episode we were talking about this, but I was writing on Substack and I sort of asked the, posed the question, like, do, do people believe in divine intervention? Oh, it was about the lightning strike.

• 29:18Jonathan Cohen?

  Not that long ago, we were recording something and my, asked a question about God.

• 29:23Mayim Bialik?

  It was the first time I asked about God in this podcast.

• 29:25Jonathan Cohen?

  And as she asked the question, lightning struck the-

• 29:29Mayim Bialik?

  The building.

• 29:30Jonathan Cohen?

  The building that the guest was in remotely knocked the internet down.

• 29:33Speaker 00

  Perfect.

• 29:34Jonathan Cohen?

  Now, it was a coincidental, we, I think someone did the math and, and the odds of that happening at that exact moment were like astronomically-

• 29:41Mayim Bialik?

  Well, but I said, what's interesting is what's the meaning you make of it, right? God's either approving or disapproving, depending on which side of the conversation you want to be on.

• 29:49Jonathan Cohen?

  And, and so I asked, I posed the question online, do, do people believe in divine intervention? And, you know, a lot of what is described as awakening or described as divine intervention is seeing our problems from a different perspective, however that may be. And so, anyone who is approaching a problem, how do we pull back, have more objectivity, more insight, whether that be information about the future, whether that be getting out of our own way? And so I think both of those definitions are true, regardless of where the information came from.

• 30:21Mayim Bialik?

  I want to get back to the extreme specificity, and I don't know why this makes me laugh so much, the Zachary of it.

• 30:29Jonathan Cohen?

  I get it.

• 30:30Mayim Bialik?

  Did you know anyone named Zachary?

• 30:32Speaker 00

  No, I didn't.

• 30:32Mayim Bialik?

  You didn't know any Zachary? Zachary Levi, he's an actor.

• 30:35Speaker 00

  Yeah, but he, he wasn't an actor, he wasn't around that.

• 30:37Mayim Bialik?

  Right, we were younger then, you and I are the same age.

• 30:39Speaker 00

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is, this is 1999.

• 30:41Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah.

• 30:42Speaker 00

  26 years ago, this is 1999.

• 30:43Mayim Bialik?

  So- Like biblical Zachary, like Zachariah, no?

• 30:49Speaker 00

  Well, funnily enough, Zachariah, that's interesting, that's biblical, okay. So there were two others that I learnt the names of during the process, and it was Zapharaya and Ziadora.

• 30:59Mayim Bialik?

  Uh huh.

• 31:01Speaker 00

  And I thought, no, I thought, I'd heard of Pia Zadora, and I knew she was like a huge American star, and I was like, oh, Zadora. So yeah, that's what I was given.

• 31:12Mayim Bialik?

  Does anyone want to know who Zachariah was?

• 31:15Jonathan Cohen?

  Who was Zachariah?

• 31:16Speaker 00

  Zapharaya, with a P H.

• 31:19Mayim Bialik?

  But like Zachary is what I'm thinking of.

• 31:20Speaker 00

  Right, so Zachariah, okay, yes please.

• 31:22Mayim Bialik?

  I mean, it's the closest biblically, the father of John the Baptist.

• 31:28Mayim Bialik?

  And he was one of, he was a priest, he was a high priest.

• 31:31Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 31:32Mayim Bialik?

  And that means he was a levy, which is why Zachary Levi was probably named Zachary, because their last name was Levi. And Zachariah biblically was of the tribe of Aaron, which was the Levi tribe.

• 31:48Mayim Bialik?

  He was told, kind of an Abraham Sarah story, Zachariah was told that that he would father a child very late in life. The angel Gabriel came to him, Gabriel. He didn't believe the angel and was struck mute.

• 32:03Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 32:03Mayim Bialik?

  And only when the child was born, John the Baptist, did he speak again.

• 32:09Speaker 00

  Wow.

• 32:10Mayim Bialik?

  Very interesting, that's just the first thing I thought of in terms of like, the cultural vernacular of why Zachary might, you know, exist in the ether.

• 32:18Speaker 00

  Very cool.

• 32:19Mayim Bialik?

  Anyway, just a very interesting, and the number eighty-eight also has very interesting.

• 32:23Speaker 00

  It does.

• 32:25Mayim Bialik?

  You know, I don't really talk a lot about like Bible code or numerology.

• 32:31Mayim Bialik?

  And I know that certain people do, and I've been told what my manifesting number is and all these things. But in Hebrew, which is, you know, for me, the language of creation, right? In Hebrew, every letter is a number, which means that every word also has a numerical significance.

• 32:47Speaker 00

  Right.

• 32:47Mayim Bialik?

  So for example, my name Maim means water, and the number that the Hebrew letters line up for is forty. So I think of forty. Forty is kind of my number and there's forty years in the desert and there's forty days on, you know, that Moses was on the mountain. Anyway, everybody's name and every word has a number. So eighty-eight is an interesting one. Eight is, you know, as Matisse Yahoo says, it's the number of infinity. Because it's one more than you know how to be is how Matisse Yahoo says it. Meaning the week is seven days. Eight is one more. It's what you can't imagine. So the double emphasis, right, for eighty-eight. It's like so beyond beyond.

• 33:26Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 33:27Mayim Bialik?

  Anyway, those are just the things that I, that I kind of, I don't know, that's how my brain works. When I think about your experience.

• 33:34Speaker 00

  The piano is my favorite instrument and eighty-eight keys. And I didn't know that till years later. So I was like, that's interesting.

• 33:40Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, so interesting.

• 33:43Jonathan Cohen?

  Just before we continue, do you believe everyone has access to guides?

• 33:48Speaker 00

  I do.

• 33:48Jonathan Cohen?

  So everyone on earth has like a handful of guides?

• 33:51Speaker 00

  Let me put it this way. I believe everyone is in relationship with other dimensions, whether or not they choose to make it conscious. One thing I do know, and I think this is at the root of so many of our issues. We are all supposed to be here differently. We're all supposed to make up a jigsaw together. We're all supposed to have slightly different slants, slightly different talents, slightly different abilities, slightly different flaws. That's kind of how we're composed. So I don't think it's for everybody to have a spiritual path. But I always say, I would rather be trapped in an elevator with someone who is kind and open-hearted than someone who is spiritually learned and hasn't developed kindness and an open heart. Because to me, the kind and open-hearted person is living with spirit.

• 34:37Speaker 00

  There are many people I've met who are spiritually learned, who are all about the data and sometimes can behave very abusively under the guise of spirituality. So for me, it's not so much about what you believe, it's about how you behave. And I think that spirituality has, I know for me and many others, helped many of us become more aligned with who we're truly here to be and shed some of the the human stuff that we're carrying.

• 35:04Jonathan Cohen?

  A lot of the people that you're talking about who are not acting overly kind, they have a great grasp of the language.

• 35:11Speaker 00

  Yes, or they have a hunger for power and they see that as being a source of getting it. And I think there are many, I've met many over the years. I've been in very close quarters with one of them. And so they're all a little different. But either way, it's sad for everybody. It's sad for the guru and it's sad for the followers. If it's not being, if it's not coming from a place of benevolence or love or goodwill.

• 35:36Jonathan Cohen?

  And when you described the physical difference, when you got out of your own way or you had that change in perspective where you said you felt calmer, more relaxed. You had previously been stewing about the relationship, about what was going wrong, had some resentment potentially towards the person you were with. All of a sudden, that level of somatic calming as a result of that shift is also a hallmark sign of a higher vibrational consciousness, for lack of a better word.

• 36:09Speaker 00

  For me, it was a double whammy. So someone could have told me something that my mind could have understood and that was moderately helpful. I'm a sensory person, so for me, it's more about experience. It's not that I don't like data or facts or certain things. I do in certain areas of life. But actually, that was, that was the tell. I think if I hadn't been in such self judgment at the time,

• 36:33Speaker 00

  the blinding light of it wouldn't have been so contrasted. That, that, you know, I didn't, like you said, the day that my life changed, I didn't know my life changed that day. I didn't know I would end up doing this for work five years later. But my life did change that day or it reconnected, it kind of plugged back in.

• 36:52Mayim Bialik?

  I think it's pretty specific. If you've never heard voices and then all of a sudden you do.

• 36:58Speaker 00

  I guess so, I guess so. But you have to remember, I was, I was seven years into

• 37:03Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 37:04Speaker 00

  A reconnection to, ah, the world is not just what all these humans are telling us. There is, and actually, there were lots of humans who were talking about spirit, whether it was cultures who hadn't lost that connection or whether it was individuals I met along the way, healers, the people leading workshops I went to. There was a If you like a faith or a connection to spirit that I also experienced as true and beneficial.

• 37:32Mayim Bialik?

  Well, and I think also, again, I'm looking for the similarities here. When, when people talk about like precognitive dreams, let's say, or when people come back from near death experiences or some kind of trauma with extrasensory abilities, right? Things that we cannot explain, right? In, in many cases, what they describe is, is that it's indescribable in the language of this world.

• 37:58Speaker 00

  So true.

• 37:59Mayim Bialik?

  So when you talk about, you know, receiving this kind of like, and I, you know, I don't know what example will resonate with, with people most, but let's say you think you're in love and you have all these relationships. And then one day you meet a person for whom that connection is different. And you realize that all the other times when you thought you were in love, that was a different set of emotions that are valuable and interesting. But this is not that. If you've ever meditated and you're like, oh, it's quiet and the thoughts, they're like washing over me like pebbles in a river, right? But then you drop into a place that's like, where am I? When is it? And did I eat mushrooms by accident?

• 38:45Mayim Bialik?

  Then you know that's a different place than this. So what's interesting to me is there may be other times in your life or any of our lives where we're like, oh, I'm hearing these voices in my head and I'm like talking to myself and I'm having a convo with myself. But what you're describing has a different physiological component in that you're experiencing something physical and different. And when we had Teresa Caputo on, Suzanne Giesemann, there's like a look in their eyes when people are channeling that's like, oh, that's not this world. There's something else.

• 39:15Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 39:15Mayim Bialik?

  I don't know what it is and I can't speak for you. But that's what's interesting to me is that what you're describing is it's something altered, right?

• 39:23Speaker 00

  Yes. It doesn't feel, it doesn't feel what we know to be here in the same way. But the more it becomes part of your life, you start going, oh, there are, there are a few worlds on earth. And most of the time, most of us are living in the one that we're in this body, we're in this identity. We're having the life we're supposed to have. But many people, when they open their spiritual connection, it suddenly changes everything.

• 39:48Jonathan Cohen?

  Now, there's a difference between when you get information for yourself and when you get information for other people.

• 39:55Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 39:55Jonathan Cohen?

  I want to tackle that, but right before we do, define channeling.

• 40:00Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 40:00Mayim Bialik?

  And I want to know also more specifically, like, we just got to Zachary.

• 40:04Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah, we're, let's unpack the co-

• 40:07Mayim Bialik?

  I got a lot to say just about that, but I want to hear about the others and then how we get to the other entities.

• 40:13Jonathan Cohen?

  I mean, is there an HR department for all the people that are-

• 40:16Mayim Bialik?

  It's funny you should mention it.

• 40:17Speaker 00

  Well, Zachary Levi will play him in the movie. It's voice only, but that's a nice job, right?

• 40:24Jonathan Cohen?

  What is channeling?

• 40:25Speaker 00

  So, a couple of things. I say that you're channeling when you are in your, when you're just flowing with something you're really good at. So, some people who cook and they don't follow a recipe book and they get out of their head and they feel really alive. To me, there, there's a level of connection and flow. So, on a broad level, we can be channeling, musicians channel all the time. You know, songs come from the ethers and all, all of that kind of realm is a whole other realm.

• 40:53Mayim Bialik?

  Flow.

• 40:53Jonathan Cohen?

  There was an interview I saw recently with Bob Dylan at the height of, or actually it was near the end of his career and I forget the, who the interview was.

• 41:01Mayim Bialik?

  He still has a career, what are you saying?

• 41:02Jonathan Cohen?

  It was, I actually don't know where Bob Dylan is these days.

• 41:07Mayim Bialik?

  Oh, for Pete's sake.

• 41:08Jonathan Cohen?

  So, I'm sorry, Bob, I, I apologize.

• 41:10Mayim Bialik?

  He's his own prophet.

• 41:11Jonathan Cohen?

  But they were talking to him about the early days of his career.

• 41:14Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 41:15Jonathan Cohen?

  And he was like, I don't know where those songs came from. They just appeared to me, they just arrived. And he was actually acknowledging that, like, at this stage of his career that he was at during that interview, he couldn't do that anymore. And that was okay for him, but there was clearly some opening that he had and access to something there that, like, was unlike anything else that he had experienced.

• 41:38Speaker 00

  True, and my own guides said to me years later that they got to me first through songwriting, which happened to me at 21, two years earlier. And when that happened, it was magic. I loved music my whole life and all of a sudden I'm hearing melodies tied to lyrics and every, and I would literally hear it and I knew enough chords on the guitar at that point to kind of get the song down. And still to this day, when I create music, the music is often, it just comes through or the lyrics, some songs are just there, fully formed within 10 minutes and you're like, how?

• 42:09Jonathan Cohen?

  But I think this is a really interesting like overlap that has some tension to it in the definition, because some musicians may say,

• 42:19Speaker 00

  Oh, absolutely.

• 42:20Jonathan Cohen?

  I create the songs and my brain is working something out and there isn't a magical, open consciousness quality to it. Rick Rubin has a little bit of a different philosophy where he describes artists as having antennae and that they're sensing and sort of translating whatever type of consciousness is around. So like there's like this overlap and what's interesting is that a lot of people who describe having access to spiritual experience or extrasensory experience, spirit guides, ability to visually imagine, describe a level of access in their childhood to creativity that

• 43:00Jonathan Cohen?

  sort of seems to form the fundamental building blocks of their ability to later participate in what is considered extrasensory.

• 43:10Speaker 00

  Ah, that's interesting. So creativity was my safe space. That was, that was where I was prolific and that was where I, I, yeah, I could create. I, I still to this day, if people ask what, you know, people always want your identity and people want to know what you do for work and then they assume that means that's who you are. And I, for me, I'm a creator, like I'm a creator and a builder. I've been that since I was little. It just so happens that right now, my path is to create and build in the realm of spirituality, self-growth, transformation and music.

• 43:40Jonathan Cohen?

  Going back to the overlap, both positive and, you know, concerning for those people who are trying to discredit this idea.

• 43:47Mayim Bialik?

  People might say, he's just creative, he's making it up.

• 43:49Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 43:51Jonathan Cohen?

  That's, that's the rub, right? Is like, on one hand, people who are in that flow state can have awareness and, and words that come to them that they've never thought about before and things come together in a way that seems magical or extra abilitied or divinely intervened. And on the same regard, people can say, well, we're just kind of making it up and being super creative and these super creative people have the ability to see from multiple different perspectives. And therefore, it's all within them. I personally like the story and I have a similar experience. And at a certain point, it became like, how much am I making up? Like, where's the objective reality in this? Like, is it a really interesting story? Is it true?

• 44:34Jonathan Cohen?

  And you can kind of gauge by the felt sense of the people that you're sharing the information with. But there is a level of creative imagination in order to make sense of realms that can't be quote unquote "seen" with our normal eyes.

• 44:49Speaker 00

  Yeah, and I, I, I think this is a really important point. One of the shadow sides of channeling that I quite quickly saw, because I was taken into the channeling world, which I didn't even know existed. I was from self-growth. That was my passion. My passion was go to a workshop to kind of uncover your crap, so that you can come out happier and a bit lighter and do what you're here to do. That was, that was my jam, and I thought that was fantastic. I quite quickly got taken into the channeling world through a partner I had, who was also an author and a channeler, which was a, a very big and important relationship for me. And he was a speaker for a group. And we were, I was invited to be a speaker there.

• 45:34Speaker 00

  And then I was invited to be a speaker at other places. And what I witnessed in the channeling world that was, was a shadow then and may still be for some people now, it may hopefully be less now, was a lot of worship energy. And this idea that, oh, if the channeled entity said it, then it must be superior to everyone else. And I was always the opposite. I was like, no, no, no, the channeled entity is like any good friend giving you advice. And you might take on their advice. And because of their advice, you might not use their advice, but because it gives you a chance to look at it. I was, I was so against the idea that you're here as some puppet, that you're supposed to follow spirits' instructions. I don't ascribe to that. I don't, that to me is actually an unspiritual philosophy.

• 46:17Speaker 00

  Because to me, our spirituality is our humanity and what we're doing here. You, I talked to you about beaches. You put an imprint out into the world energetically with your performance and everyone involved in that movie. You know, that movie, I think, was so huge because it was an emotional release valve. We didn't see many women friendship stories. It was grief, which was taboo still at the time. And I think the reason it hit a nerve was it was a beautifully done film, but it it it had a lot of powerful feminine energy that we were missing. And back then, movies were key. I'm not saying they can't still be now, but I was recently saying to a twenty five year old friend who was like, I'm not really into movies. I'm more into spirituality.

• 47:01Speaker 00

  And I said, movies and music were my gateway before I found spirituality and I still can enjoy them. But I said, I I explained to her, I said, they served a purpose thirty years ago that is now being served by other things as well. So they still have their place, but thirty years ago, there were very few places that we as humans were allowed to go and feel and witness ourselves. And especially because therapy was taboo, but you could go and watch a movie and go, oh, wow, I identify with that character. And so, you know, for me, the movies were like church in a way because of the experience I would have. But to your point, I think the thing about channeling that people forget is there is a level of making it up.

• 47:41Speaker 00

  Meaning, I am not dunked on the head involuntarily and pushed onto a stage to channel for people. I'm agreeing to the whole experience. I'm collaborating and and they have even said this, and I agree with them, to the best of my ability. As a human who has a capacity for words, which they've said they use my capacity for language and they use my capacity for empathy. Um, it's still limited. It's still a very humanized version of what it would be there. They've talked about music in their realm and they've said, you wouldn't like it. It would sound discordant, it would sound atonal, it it would sound arrhythmic. You need melody because it it lines up with the heart frequency, which is is your gateway on earth.

• 48:26Speaker 00

  Your heart is your gateway on earth, which is why I think we as humans, no matter how oppressed or suppressed we have been or are. Everyone loves this and we've been taught to kind of transpose it onto romantic relationships or the love you have for a child. We're kind of allowed to do those. But actually, I think, hopefully, as a society, we through all the conversations that we're having now are recognizing, no, friendship love is huge. Beaches again. Friendship love, tribal love, the Z's have said we would be less interested in romantic relationship if we lived more tribally and communally. They aren't saying we wouldn't still have them. But part of this, I've got to find my soulmate,

• 49:08Speaker 00

  is usually stemming from there are some areas of disconnection in your life that you're missing. It doesn't mean a beautiful soulmate can't come along and make it all so much richer and to have a companion and someone you can mirror with. But let's be honest, even when you're in a great relationship, you're a really happy person when you have a lot of cylinders firing in your life with a lot of different people.

• 49:29Mayim Bialik?

  We, we still haven't defined channeling.

• 49:31Speaker 00

  The definition of channeling in the way I do, it would be you are giving voice to or allowing an entity, an energy, or a guide through you to give information and to speak.

• 49:46Jonathan Cohen?

  Entity.

• 49:46Speaker 00

  Or to write.

• 49:46Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, that's.

• 49:47Jonathan Cohen?

  Entity, energy or guide.

• 49:49Mayim Bialik?

  Energy.

• 49:51Jonathan Cohen?

  Some people think of entity as a negative terminology.

• 49:55Speaker 00

  I know.

• 49:56Jonathan Cohen?

  So how do you know what you're connecting to if there's this vast array of entities, angels, some people think demons, some people think dark energies. How do you know what is coming through or what you're inviting through?

• 50:12Speaker 00

  I can't give a stock answer to that because that's not the thing I've studied and become an expert in. But what I can tell you from my own experience is I didn't do any readings for anyone. I basically did free readings for people for a few years before a friend of mine said, you should be doing this. But I tested, I tested myself, my life, the people I knew. By the time I was channeling, I felt very comfortable. I'm like, no, no, no, these guys are definitely benevolent. What I say to people now when they start channeling. Channeling is, is the information helpful? Is it loving? Is it supportive? I'm not saying they're going to stroke your ego. And I'm not saying they're going to tell you you're right about everything.

• 50:54Speaker 00

  But there are people who will sometimes go, oh, I think I picked up on something not good. And the answer there is, okay, you need to disconnect from that. You can, you can say affirmations. I ask for the highest love and light to come through. But what I also witnessed, because I work with some of these clients, boundary issues in their life with toxic human relationships were often a factor. So they were going to spirit to try and find a good relationship. But because on the earth plane, they were playing out with their energy field abusive patterns. Lo and behold, whether they were accessing something or not, or whether it was their own mind, and that was as high as they could go. You know, somewhat bossy or demanding guides could happen. And a friend in the field recently was sent to me by another friend in the field.

• 51:39Mayim Bialik?

  You mean the literal field?

• 51:40Speaker 00

  No.

• 51:40Mayim Bialik?

  The energetic field?

• 51:40Speaker 00

  No, she's in the self-growth field.

• 51:43Mayim Bialik?

  Okay.

• 51:44Speaker 00

  She's, you know, she's quite out there, she's quite well known.

• 51:46Mayim Bialik?

  A tangible person.

• 51:47Speaker 00

  Yes, and she's a lovely person. And I was told that she was having channeling experiences by this friend, and she needed someone to talk to about it, because that's not her usual work. And we talked, and I tuned in on what was going on with her. And obviously, you always do it to the best of your ability. But there's this group. And I said to her, there's this really pushy one in the middle, and I don't like it. And I said, and it's not necessary. And she knew exactly what I was talking about. She knew exactly who I was talking about. She went, yeah, I feel a bit. But she was also, you know, understandably, should I be channeling? And I was like, my rule is no. If there is a pushy thing trying to use you or get through you, no, absolutely not. It can calm down.

• 52:30Speaker 00

  And in the, in the session, you know, we actually had some conversation where it's like, no, you need to calm down. This is not, this is not your chance to come through a body. This is a collaborative relationship. Oh, we're on so many questions coming out now.

• 52:44Mayim Bialik?

  A lot of questions. So I want, I want to, I want to get more specific. So now we have like this nice landscape.

• 52:53Speaker 00

  Okay.

• 52:55Mayim Bialik?

  So.

• 52:57Mayim Bialik?

  You hear this voice.

• 52:58Speaker 00

  Sure.

• 52:59Mayim Bialik?

  And was it a different voice that identified these other two Z?

• 53:04Speaker 00

  That happened later.

• 53:05Mayim Bialik?

  They all had Z names. That's why you call them the Zs.

• 53:07Speaker 00

  That happened when I was being interviewed.

• 53:10Mayim Bialik?

  What do you mean, Lee?

• 53:11Speaker 00

  So my partner who I was with at the time would often speak to me while I was channeling and he would ask all kinds of questions.

• 53:19Mayim Bialik?

  And that's how you met the other entities?

• 53:22Mayim Bialik?

  And so the information that comes to you is that

• 53:26Mayim Bialik?

  there are some entities that are...

• 53:29Speaker 00

  They're a large group. I've been told they are eighty-eight beings, but that they can also extend wider into source, meaning source energy. So they said, "You often think of yourselves as fixed. We are not fixed as humans. You know, we around this table are a composite of every experience we've had, every person that's influenced us, but we think of ourselves as these singular identities with singular names." And they said, "We can also access other beings, other dimensions, to bring the information through." So they're not... It's very tempting to try and think of it as a fixed group or a fixed... Things aren't very fixed when you get off Earth. And that's the kind of rabbit hole I've learned from.

• 54:11Speaker 00

  Like, the more questions you ask, the more mirrors open and the more you can just keep going. Which is why I think at a certain point you have to decide, is my goal here to just keep opening more mirrors? Or have I opened enough mirrors that I now want to actualize what I've experienced and bring it to Earth and see if it's useful to me and to other people?

• 54:29Mayim Bialik?

  Yes, those are further down the road questions. I'm still stuck on you're on the tube.

• 54:35Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 54:36Mayim Bialik?

  And you're hearing this.

• 54:38Speaker 00

  Yes. So what is it you want to know specifically about that moment?

• 54:41Mayim Bialik?

  I want to know... What did you do after?

• 54:46Speaker 00

  Oh, I went home from work and I wrote. I... Because I wanted to record it. You can't remember it when you do it in your head. And this is why I always encourage people, write your channeling down. And so we go, "I don't want to write it down. I just want..." And I'm like, "Cool. That's its own experience. That's a visionary experience." But the reason you write it down is twofold. Number one, you write it down so that you have a record of it. And in my case, I wanted to study it over time and see how valid certain things were or weren't. But also, it does something to you to read this information back. And this goes back to something we were talking about a minute ago with love and the heart. I once had a very successful client. She was an Australian businesswoman, had all the success and material anybody could ever want.

• 55:31Speaker 00

  But she had so many broken relationships in her life because she didn't hang out in intimacy very long and she could get quite aggressive with people around her. So she came to me because she'd heard of me and she was working with me on both relationships and a desire to connect more spiritually. I set her the task of channeling for herself. She was really annoyed at me and said, isn't that what I'm paying you for? And I said, yes, and I will be channeling for you in each session. But trust me, I just need you to go through this process for a few weeks. She did it. She came back and she said, well, I did it, but it didn't work. And I went, oh, okay, so you've got no words. And she went, no, I got words, but they were ridiculous. And I went, okay, do you mind reading them to me? And so she, let's say her name was Jill.

• 56:13Speaker 00

  She went, okay, she went, Jill, you are a loving soul. Well, that's not true, is it? Because I'm not a loving soul. And I just said, Jill, just carry on. So she read all this stuff out and these were very loving words. She had never spoken to herself in that way. She had very aggressive parents when she was growing up, which is where a lot of the trauma came from. And so after a while of her disbelieving all this, we were going back and forth on the sentences that she disagreed with. And I just said, have you ever written words to yourself in that way ever? Or spoken to yourself in that way? And it was the first time she stopped fighting me and was silent for about 10, 15 seconds. And I shared something with her that the Z's had said to a client just before.

• 56:57Speaker 00

  When you access channeling, you calibrate to a frequency of love that you might not be used to. I think of me with my self judgment and my self attack. And all of a sudden, there's this new support team that I didn't have access to. It changes you. It's not like, oh, good, I have a voice and that's helpful. It actually starts to change you. It starts to change the way you perceive yourself. It starts to change the way you perceive things. So this frequency of love. I was going home and privately, spending an hour, an hour and a half at night, writing all these questions. But I will say this, when you're growing up gay and you're born in the seventies, and certainly if you're born earlier, this is even more true. You're very good at compartmentalizing. You have to be.

• 57:40Speaker 00

  You have to have a life that you're not allowed to talk about inside you. And you have to, so in a weird way, I almost look back now and think, oh, that primed me. So I, weirdly, I don't remember being phased. I remember being like, this is fascinating. Like, this is, it was this thing I couldn't wait to go home after my job to. And it's weird now because it feels like such a distant memory. But at the time, it was something I immersed myself in, and it changed me.

• 58:07Jonathan Cohen?

  Which was harder, coming out as gay or as a channeler?

• 58:12Speaker 00

  Uh, coming out as gay was pretty brutal with my, with my parents. It was great with my friends. And I came out at sixteen. And I had a very difficult experience telling my mom. So then everything went into, I'm, I'm very close to my mom and we, we were very close then. But for about five years, that fractured that relationship. We repaired it later. Coming out as a channeler is way worse because it gets in the way of your connection with people. Like, even the fact that we're, I, I know you have the two books which are based on channeling. But in my work, someone recently called me a soul therapist, which I, I liked the term because often I'm struggling to explain to people what it is I do.

• 58:54Speaker 00

  But the truth is, I can sit here at this table and I can say, I'm an energy intuitive. I'm a musician. I'm a self-growth facilitator or spiritual teacher. And I'm a channeler and everyone goes to channeler. Because it's the weirdest thing in the room. So the problem with being a channeler is if anyone has skepticism about it, or they're afraid of it, or they're judgmental of it, or they are suspicious of you because of it, all, all the rest is off. I can be having a great conversation with someone and all of a sudden, it can change because of their belief system around that. And I'm like, that's interesting. We were actually having a really nice time.

• 59:32Mayim Bialik?

  It's like, it's like when I tell people I'm an actor. It's like, ooh.

• 59:37Jonathan Cohen?

  I do have a problem with the term because what is the difference between that and just receiving information?

• 59:49Speaker 00

  I agree.

• 59:50Mayim Bialik?

  You said you're a musician?

• 59:52Speaker 00

  Yeah, musician, energy intuitive.

• 59:53Mayim Bialik?

  Energy intuitive.

• 59:55Speaker 00

  Spiritual teacher is not a term I like, but self-growth teacher facilitator.

• 59:58Jonathan Cohen?

  Great.

• 59:59Speaker 00

  And then channeler.

• 59:59Jonathan Cohen?

  So let's just focus on energy intuitive for a second. Because we've talked about on this podcast before that I think the word psychic has been co-opted, misused.

• 1:00:09Speaker 00

  Totally.

• 1:00:10Jonathan Cohen?

  There's a ton of misinformation and people. It doesn't work for a lot of reasons, right? So people are looking for alternatives to describe what it means to sit down with someone and have either intuition or empathy, it could be. It could be that you sit down and you can feel them.

• 1:00:31Mayim Bialik?

  Yeah, and also I think this is a good place for me to say, I, it's not that I have a problem with energy.

• 1:00:39Speaker 00

  No.

• 1:00:39Mayim Bialik?

  And it's not that I have a problem.

• 1:00:40Speaker 00

  No, but the term, I understand.

• 1:00:42Mayim Bialik?

  Right, so, yeah, like, it's not that I have a problem with intuition, and I think it's important, like, we didn't ask you here for me to, like, disprove your experience, but for me, it's like, I don't know if there's a difference between, look, some people are better at reading people than others. Like, that's something we're all comfortable saying, right?

• 1:01:03Jonathan Cohen?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's what I'm talking about. You can sit down and sort of feel someone, and you can feel someone on multiple planes of existence.

• 1:01:11Mayim Bialik?

  No, there you lost me again.

• 1:01:12Jonathan Cohen?

  But I'm gonna tie it in.

• 1:01:13Mayim Bialik?

  What do you mean?

• 1:01:14Jonathan Cohen?

  Okay, so.

• 1:01:15Mayim Bialik?

  You feel, sorry, you feel them on multiple, so what does it mean?

• 1:01:20Jonathan Cohen?

  So when we were talking to Teresa Caputo, she says she uses herself and she gets signals herself about what, about information. So she's like, when someone has, like, a death in a certain way, I taste, and she described the taste, right? So, for example, when you sit down with someone and you are highly empathic, or you have, you know, you're an energy intuitive, or whatever that might be.

• 1:01:45Speaker 00

  It could be like, oh, what's going on for you? I can clearly feel its grief. Oh, it's not a mystery. Oh, it actually feels more like romantic grief than it does a parent who passed.

• 1:01:56Mayim Bialik?

  You can feel the difference? If I walk into a room, because I was raised in a crazy house, if I walk into a room, I can pretty much clock where people are at.

• 1:02:04Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:02:05Mayim Bialik?

  And I think a lot of women may report this, or people on the feminine spectrum.

• 1:02:08Speaker 00

  Definitely.

• 1:02:09Mayim Bialik?

  That like, you know, my ex-boyfriend used to say like, "Why do you know I'm upset when I don't know I'm upset?" I'm like, "'Cause I know." So, and I think that's true. Like Valerie can tell when Jonathan and I haven't spoken for 12 hours before we sit in our chairs.

• 1:02:21Speaker 00

  So this is a good point. This is a good point. This helps me understand where we need to go.

• 1:02:25Mayim Bialik?

  So is Valerie, forgive me Valerie, is Valerie an energy intuitive? No, like you can feel it in the air when two people are being icy.

• 1:02:33Speaker 00

  Right, so let me explain where the, how we use the label "energy intuitive" for me.

• 1:02:38Mayim Bialik?

  Great.

• 1:02:39Speaker 00

  I mean, there are several things I do, but let me take it back to when I did one-on-one sessions for 15 years.

• 1:02:45Speaker 00

  And my job, you may have called me. I couldn't see you. I would know whatever name you had given me.

• 1:02:52Mayim Bialik?

  Sure.

• 1:02:54Speaker 00

  And I would speak to you. I would say to you at the beginning, "Do you have any specific questions you want to ask me upfront? If not, we're gonna get to them in about 25 or 30 minutes, and you can ask me anything you want, and I'm just gonna start talking and telling you everything I'm getting."

• 1:03:08Mayim Bialik?

  Is that what we're gonna do for the rest of this episode?

• 1:03:10Speaker 00

  We can if you want.

• 1:03:11Mayim Bialik?

  I want to.

• 1:03:12Speaker 00

  Are you sure?

• 1:03:12Mayim Bialik?

  Well, I'm hard to read because I exist on the internet. Everybody thinks they know me.

• 1:03:16Speaker 00

  Oh, that's interesting. Okay.

• 1:03:18Mayim Bialik?

  So you'd have to pull something out that like, that I would know. Anyway, so, but go ahead, sorry.

• 1:03:23Speaker 00

  And my job wasn't performing a party trick to kind of prove something. It was, the thing about my job is I can't verify anything.

• 1:03:30Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 1:03:31Speaker 00

  And actually, in a way, that was what trained me to do it for groups. And when I stand on camera and do what I call my energy update, which happens at the beginning of every month, and I say at the beginning, "I'm Lee, I'm an intuitive, and I take the pulse on what might be showing up for you psychologically, emotionally, and energetically." And then I go through eight themes that I receive from the same place I receive information about people. And then I riff on them and explain to people how they might navigate what's coming up. Of course, not everyone is gonna find themselves in the eight themes. And of course, there are gonna be a load of people who don't like me, don't like that kind of thing, of course. But for those who do... As an energy intuitive, in a way, what I'm doing is inviting them to look at their own

• 1:04:14Speaker 00

  energy, their thoughts, their emotions, and help them reorganize how they're feeling. That's what I hear the most when people talk to me about my energy updates, which are probably the main thing I'm known for at the moment. That's probably the biggest thing. People go, I feel seen. It helped me deal with something I didn't know was really going on, but you articulated it for me. Me and my mom always speak about the energy updates every month, so it gets us going and having a conversation. So it's not, I'm not interested in how good I am or not. I'm interested in how useful I am. My, my goal is to be useful to people for whom this is of use.

• 1:04:52Mayim Bialik?

  So I'm thinking of like, I'm trying to find examples, like when, if I'm tuning into my own energy, right? So like, I, this is not a statement on Tony Robbins, but there's a meditation that he does that I really like.

• 1:05:05Speaker 00

  Great.

• 1:05:06Mayim Bialik?

  And, you know, we start from this place of like getting into our body. Like, you know, he teaches us to like drop down, get out of our head and into our body. And I'm like, okay, I'm learning to do that. And then he asks us to conjure positive memories.

• 1:05:22Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:05:23Mayim Bialik?

  And to feel them in our body, right? Joe Dispenza also talks about this, right? Then he asks me to imagine things that haven't even happened that are also good. Like, oh, I can do that. And you feel it in your body. And the idea is that you feel some sort of like energetic elevation. That's the best way I can describe it. If you're in a poopy mood before and you're in a better mood after, you've increased a certain amount of serotonin, right?

• 1:05:49Speaker 00

  Yes.

• 1:05:50Mayim Bialik?

  You've increased your physiological milieu to facilitate a different energy state. So that if I'm in a shitty mood when I wake up and after I do this meditation, I can say like, I can make my smoothie, I can wake my kid, I can be loving, I can be helpful. That is a shift that I just made in some sort of energy field, correct?

• 1:06:14Speaker 00

  Yes, absolutely.

• 1:06:15Mayim Bialik?

  Did I do it?

• 1:06:16Speaker 00

  Yes, you did. You shifted your energy from one state to another.

• 1:06:18Mayim Bialik?

  Right. And you could see that if you roll over in bed. I just put us in bed together. If someone were to roll over in bed, which sometimes people say like, oh, my partner was in a really bad mood this morning, right?

• 1:06:31Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:32Mayim Bialik?

  You can know that, you can feel it, right?

• 1:06:34Speaker 00

  Yeah.

• 1:06:35Mayim Bialik?

  And then that shifts and it would be noticeable.

• 1:06:37Speaker 00

  Yes, and there's a difference between being able to recognize someone is down or knowing perhaps one of the reasons why.

• 1:06:46Mayim Bialik?

  Oh.

• 1:06:47Speaker 00

  That's the difference. Empaths can feel energy. They have different levels of skill as to how much they can interpret what's going on for the person. That's where the more psychic channel aside comes in.

• 1:06:58Mayim Bialik?

  Right.

• 1:06:59Speaker 00

  So I've met many empaths who are like, oh my God, I'm just feeling all the emotion in the room. My advice to them is always then you need to learn how not to. Because otherwise you're hostage, because usually empaths are not hostage to joy.

• 1:07:11Mayim Bialik?

  No, we're not.

• 1:07:11Speaker 00

  They're hostage to pain and suffering.

• 1:07:13Mayim Bialik?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:07:14Speaker 00

  And I went through that myself. So what I had to learn to do was train myself as to where and when I focus. There are, I mean, it took me years and years and years. And there'll still be moments in my personal life where I'll, I'll come up against it. But, you know, having recently met some empaths who are very much in that journey of, oh my God, I'm just a sponge.

• 1:07:33Mayim Bialik?

  Well, I think I'm just responsible for the whole world's suffering anyway, so then I have to feel it all.

• 1:07:37Speaker 00

  And on some weird level, on some weird level, no, you're not responsible. I'm not gonna break it to you.

• 1:07:43Mayim Bialik?

  I'm responsible for everything.

• 1:07:44Speaker 00

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But we do need to beat this too, I'm just saying. No.

• 1:07:51Speaker 00

  No, on some level, what the Z's say we're here for is to go on our own path of healing and to the best of our ability, help elevate the frequency of the planet. The problem is people think they have to do it all by themselves. So the isolated empath or spiritual person goes, I'm really supposed to help save everyone. And we get into bad discernment over what that really means. Our, our job is to do the best we can and to. Heal our own stuff because we've all imbibed what they call the human energy template. So when we got to this planet, depending on where we were born, when we were born, and what we were born into, we're going to inherit a certain emotional

• 1:08:35Speaker 00

  temperature. If you're born to very frosty parents, and they are cold, and they're not emotional, they're incredibly cerebral, and you come in as this very emotional kid, oh, that's going to be an interesting recipe. Are the parents conscious enough to go, ah, our child is different. We won't try and make them like us. We'll try and support them with what they need. Or, as is common for most of us growing up in prior generations, the parent thinks the child is wrong. Right. And tries to make the... Squeeze them into the mold that they... So then the parent, the kid then has to unpack all that stuff. We've all imbibed and inherited certain energies. And the one thing they say a lot, which I love, as someone who so, was so good at self-attack and blaming myself for everything years ago,

• 1:09:21Speaker 00

  they always say, it's not yours. It's not yours. You're carrying something that's in the air. And your job as a human is to try and alleviate it from yourself. And then you become the formula of someone who moved through that. It's why the friends who are now in horrible grief, but you went through horrible grief 10, 15 years ago, and it almost killed you, but you got through it, they're talking to you about their grief without even knowing why. They don't know what you went through, but they, there's something about your energy field that is a place their grief can start to elevate. So this is how energy fields work. And the collective energy field of the world, as we know, it's not great down here. Like, one of the things I had to come to terms with, which helped me as an empath,

• 1:10:04Speaker 00

  is like, oh, there is brutality and suffering and darkness on this planet. I didn't want to fully acknowledge that, even though I'd had some of my own experiences around that. And I also had been adjacent to people who'd gone through some horrific things. But once I realized that, it allowed me to stop trying to fight it with the light, and instead go, okay, we're on a planet of duality. There's light, there's dark, there's up, there's down. I need to do my best to stay as balanced and as centered as I can and move through it. And I'll keep learning as I go. So in a way, what you just said... I think many of us have worn that mantle of I've got to save everyone's suffering. I think it's actually a spiritual truth, but we aren't supposed to overly personalize it

• 1:10:49Speaker 00

  or think we should do it all ourselves. There are a lot of us here on the planet. There are more people want good than don't. I mean, it's a very small group that managed to, you know, bring a lot of darkness to the planet. The zees have said that.

• 1:11:01Mayim Bialik?

  And then because of social media, it gets amplified, right? And so people start thinking that is.

• 1:11:06Speaker 00

  When we're at a party of 50 people and it's 50 lovely people and one person has a massive tantrum in the corner, who do we go home remembering? I was, you know, I was at an event recently where there was a big drama. And five of the people who were there were saying to me, wow, that was a real drama. And I said, let's not let that be the first thing we parrot about our friend's event. Because our friend had a lovely event that something went wrong in and it wasn't that friend's fault. Let's not tell that story. But I knew why the people were doing it because I would have done the same years ago. Drama gets our root chakra and drama and inflammatory and, you know, we kind of, it's so magnetizing to us or it has been. And the trick is can we magnetize and create something else on the planet?

• 1:11:50Speaker 00

  You guys are doing it with this podcast, for example.

• 1:11:52Mayim Bialik?

  Tell us about it.

• 1:11:53Speaker 00

  Well, you are creating discussion for people to examine what they believe, what they experience, what they understand. The people who watch this will either align with both of you or one of you, or they'll enjoy when you two are disagreeing. Even though you don't disagree because you love each other. So that makes this energy feel very safe. But the fact that you will sometimes have very differing opinions, even though it might look like there's some kind of level of not conflict, but disagreement. What you're actually doing is you're stretching the parameters of what's possible. And we all know that at the moment on the planet, if there's one thing we need to be able to do,

• 1:12:33Speaker 00

  it's to have healthy, loving disagreements rather than people get triggered by something they disagree with and they just want to kill the other person.

• 1:12:41Jonathan Cohen?

  I mean, that's a very good explanation of what we call our healthy tension. Often we describe different sides of a similar experience.

• 1:12:56Mayim Bialik?

  We're gonna hit pause here. There is a part two of our conversation with Lee Harris.

• 1:13:03Jonathan Cohen?

  Make sure you're subscribed anywhere you're listening or watching because in part two, we also cover-

• 1:13:10Mayim Bialik?

  Some of the practical aspects of what it's like when he channels, how he channels for others, can guides talk to other people's guides? And we're also gonna ask him some practical things. His take on some of the current politics going on in the world. Do his guides have an opinion about things like that? And we're also gonna talk about what he's like in relationships. What's it like to operate in the world with this channeling ability?

• 1:13:39Jonathan Cohen?

  He also has a really powerful message for anyone who may be struggling, looking for advice, or on a spiritual quest. You definitely don't want to miss part two.

• 1:13:48Mayim Bialik?

  And from our breakdown to the one we hope you never have. We'll see you next time.