#2486 - Luis J Gomez

Luis J. Gomez is a comedian, writer, and producer. He co-hosts “Legion of Skanks,” “The Regz,” “Story Warz,” and “Real Ass Podcast.” His new book, “Knives & Spoons: A Memoir,” is available now.www.simonandschuster.com/books/Knives-Spoons/Luis-J-Gomez/9798895651025www.youtube.com/@LuisJGomezComedywww.luisofskanks.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Visit https://squarespace.com/ROGAN to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:02Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:06Speaker 01

  Train my day, Joe Rogan Podcast, my night, all day.

• 0:12Speaker 02

  I filmed a special and then I just fucking fell off.

• 0:15Joe Rogan?

  I had a margarita dinner once and I was like, alright, I'm back.

• 0:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, that'll do it. It's just that one. You think all of us have one?

• 0:22Joe Rogan?

  It was nice. It's just, I was drinking too much because, you know, owning a club there all the time, you know, how much, everybody's like, "You want a shot? You want a drink?"

• 0:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, I can imagine. When I'm at your club, I get blackout drunk every time. Like, an actual problem. Like, I walk down the stairs, I'm like, "What the fuck just happened?" I drink so much at the mothership. All of us did in general. Are we on?

• 0:42Joe Rogan?

  I think we're rolling. Yeah, the problem is Shane.

• 0:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. He's an animal. I don't know how he does it. I did the Bridgestone Arena with him on Friday night. Uh, I mean, first of all, just insane. Like, 20,000 people.

• 0:53Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 0:54Speaker 02

  Fucking...

• 0:54Joe Rogan?

  It's nuts.

• 0:55Speaker 02

  Saturday night, I did 95 people at the Dojo of Comedy.

• 0:58Joe Rogan?

  Is that the first time you did a big one in the round?

• 1:00Speaker 02

  In the round, yeah.

• 1:00Joe Rogan?

  In the round is like oddly intimate, isn't it? Because everyone's facing each other.

• 1:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, you can, uh...

• 1:05Joe Rogan?

  It's pretty cool.

• 1:06Speaker 02

  It feels like it's a club around you on the bottom. You're kinda like, it's so funny because people get like so in their head, they're like, "Dude, it's all these people, it's crazy." I'm like, "I performed to half-sold-out comedy clubs. You know how much more nerve-wracking it is to make eye contact with your fans that are disappointed that they're in a half-sold-out room? Than 20,000 people that are just there to be like, 'Fucking Shane!'

• 1:24Joe Rogan?

  It's one of those things, you just do it a couple of times and you get, it gets normal.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29Joe Rogan?

  Like all things.

• 1:30Speaker 02

  I'm sure.

• 1:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, like all things.

• 1:31Speaker 02

  That's more fun, dude.

• 1:32Joe Rogan?

  It is very fun.

• 1:33Speaker 02

  Oh, it's so much more fun.

• 1:34Joe Rogan?

  It's very fun.

• 1:34Speaker 02

  I would, I would, just so you guys know, I would way rather perform to 20,000 people than 100. I just want you to know that. I don't know if that's a unique idea, but...

• 1:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, 100's good too, though. Because 100 really shows you if your bits are bullshit.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:47Joe Rogan?

  You know, 100 shows you the weak links in bits.

• 1:51Speaker 02

  You see them checking their phone.

• 1:52Joe Rogan?

  No, it's in, you feel it.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54Joe Rogan?

  You feel like you're delivering them horseshit. You know, you feel like you're not appreciating what you're saying.

• 2:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:02Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 2:03Speaker 02

  Of course. And I think it's also like, uh, it's such a spectacle when you go to like an arena where it's like, people are like so lit and pumped to just like be there. They're so happy.

• 2:12Joe Rogan?

  I know, yeah.

• 2:14Speaker 02

  I don't know how Sabrina Carpenter just came up on my feed, um, from Coachella, little hot child. And, uh, she's like, this is all my algorithm is now is Sabrina Carpenter.

• 2:23Joe Rogan?

  My daughter loves her.

• 2:23Speaker 02

  I'm sure, yeah. Uh, my girlfriend loves her.

• 2:26Joe Rogan?

  She's got some good jams. That Espresso song, that's a really good song.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, Man Child.

• 2:31Joe Rogan?

  She's got some songs, man.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  It's become my shit. I never heard any of her music before this past week, but it's the Coachella stuff has all been showing up. And like, I'm watching these girls watch Sabrina Carpenter. They're so happy.

• 2:43Joe Rogan?

  So happy.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  They're like, nothing, like, they're like, just, they're like, just having the best moment of their, like, these 16-year-old girls are like, I fucking Sabrina Carpenter.

• 2:51Joe Rogan?

  That's why, like, people gotta chill on things that they think suck, cause it's just not for you, man.

• 2:58Speaker 02

  And that's okay.

• 2:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's okay. Like, spending all your time dwelling on things that aren't for you is so crazy.

• 3:06Speaker 02

  It's a crazy thing.

• 3:07Joe Rogan?

  It's such a wasted time.

• 3:08Speaker 02

  It's internet culture. That's what it is. Like, the internet and social media became a thing where we gave everyone a voice. Everyone has to have an opinion. Nobody wants to admit they're wrong, right? And they have to have a hot take, everything that happens, within minutes.

• 3:18Joe Rogan?

  Yep.

• 3:19Speaker 02

  Not even a moment to, to, to, let me reflect. Let me just do a little bit of research. Let me just look up a couple of facts. They just jump into whatever their opinion is. And that's the same thing when it comes to like, um, you know, entertainment and, you know, all your, I mean, you, dude, you know better than anyone. I was, I was talking to Jamie before, like, you and Tony have become so big that it's become like, um, like, it's like culture. It's not even like, like, I know you guys, you know what I'm saying? So it's like, it's, but it's like, when I remove myself from it, it's like, you guys are as big as Sabrina Carpenter. Like, having a conversation about Joe Rogan going to the White House or Sabrina Carpenter at Coachella, that's trending shit. You know what I'm saying? And people feel like they have to come out and just give their opinion on it right away. If you don't like it, don't like it.

• 3:58Joe Rogan?

  But that's also like, if you don't want people to have their opinions on you, don't go to the White House.

• 4:06Speaker 02

  That's a great point.

• 4:06Joe Rogan?

  You know, like, I don't fault them for getting, you know, whatever, whatever hot take, getting mad at me for whatever reason, go ahead. That's, that's your thing. You're, you're allowed to. You're supposed to. Like, if you're a comic, too. You're supposed to shit on people if you think they're doing something stupid.

• 4:24Speaker 02

  Yeah. Do you get offended when comics shit on you?

• 4:26Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 4:27Speaker 02

  Never?

• 4:27Joe Rogan?

  No, I mean, I'm in the, I'm in this weird zeitgeist thing. I don't get offended. Some of them, I think it's lame because I think I know them, like, I'm friends with them.

• 4:36Speaker 02

  Right.

• 4:36Joe Rogan?

  And they're like, using me to get clout. Like, if you really had a problem with me, you could just text me. You know, if you really felt like I was an anti-vaxxer and I was endangering people's lives, fucking text me, bro. You know me.

• 4:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:49Joe Rogan?

  It's weird. It's weird when people do that. And maybe they feel like an obligation, even though they know you, to speak publicly. There's a lot of people that feel like they, they have to use their voice. Like, when something is wrong, they have to come out and say it, which...

• 5:02Speaker 02

  It's also boredom.

• 5:03Joe Rogan?

  I understand the inclination. I understand the inclination. And people will tell you that, that you need to use your voice. And if you feel like you need to use your voice, okay. But what I'm saying is there's far too many people out there dwelling on things they do not like versus things they like. And this life is fucking short.

• 5:23Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:23Joe Rogan?

  It does, I am 58 years old. I'm almost 59. That's dead. That's old as fuck.

• 5:29Speaker 02

  You got 20 years, best case scenario.

• 5:30Joe Rogan?

  Right. If everything goes great. And what are those 20 years like? I mean, I'm holding it together, thanks to Ways to Well and, and my obsessive need to work out. But other than that, man, I feel it. I feel it slipping away. It's gonna.

• 5:44Speaker 02

  It's crazy. I, I'm 44. I just turned 44 a couple of weeks ago. And like, best case scenario, like, absolute best case scenario.

• 5:51Joe Rogan?

  Midlife.

• 5:52Speaker 02

  Midlife.

• 5:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, best case.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  My aunt has never worked out a day in her life. She's 89 years old. She's just a fat old Italian lady. She eats whatever she wants.

• 6:01Joe Rogan?

  The move, man.

• 6:01Speaker 02

  It might be, dude. Why am I so obsessed with trying to get in shape and eating right and doing all this other stuff? My fat aunt just does whatever she wants. And she's just an old Italian lady. She's just, she's gonna, she's, she's... As young as I've ever remembered her, she's so with it, it's so funny to me.

• 6:16Joe Rogan?

  I've vacationed in Italy a bunch of times and I've gone to these little small towns. There's always like a really nice restaurant in this little small town. You have to take like a van up into the hills.

• 6:25Speaker 02

  You're on like a, like a cliffside with like no guard rail.

• 6:28Joe Rogan?

  You get to these places and you see these people having these like three and a half hour dinners. Everyone's relaxed, they're all laughing, their family's around and.

• 6:40Speaker 02

  Four generations, there's a hundred and seventy year old.

• 6:42Joe Rogan?

  But no one's stressed out.

• 6:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:44Joe Rogan?

  They're not all freaked out like Americans are. They're also not fat.

• 6:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:50Joe Rogan?

  They're these thin people, they're, and they're eating bread. They're eating bread and pasta and fucking.

• 6:57Speaker 02

  Gelato and.

• 6:58Joe Rogan?

  Oh, and they're not fat.

• 6:59Speaker 02

  I went to Italy twice.

• 6:59Joe Rogan?

  They're smoking cigarettes and they live to be a hundred.

• 7:01Speaker 02

  My favorite place to visit Italy, I brought my son for a father-son trip there years ago. Then I just brought my whole family last year, we went to Venice and Rome. And, uh, yeah dude, I, and I, I have like a gluten intolerance. Like if I eat a sandwich, I'm just gonna, you'll see it on my face, like. All I did was eat pasta, bread, gelato, the whole time, the whole time.

• 7:21Joe Rogan?

  And you were fine.

• 7:22Speaker 02

  I lost five pounds. I said for a week, I lost five fucking pounds. People are like, dude, it's the walking. I was like, it's not the walking. I, I, walking does not lose fucking, uh, you don't lose weight from walking if you're a, a person who actively exercises.

• 7:34Joe Rogan?

  We are being poisoned.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:36Joe Rogan?

  One hundred percent. And the, you know, RFK Junior's been working really hard to try to stop a lot of what is fucking with us, with our diet in America. God, the resistance is crazy.

• 7:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

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• 10:39Speaker 02

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• 10:46Joe Rogan?

  It's a little of that, but what I'm talking about is the resistance from corporations.

• 10:51Speaker 02

  Oh yeah, I'm sure.

• 10:52Joe Rogan?

  And the effect that they have on policy. And then the reality of economics, like here was a big one, like he had to, um, he had to pass. So there's this thing, you know what glyphosate is?

• 11:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 11:05Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so it's a, an herbicide that they spray on plants. And, uh, it's super bad for you. It's super bad for you and it's banned in a lot of countries. But it's used ubiquitously in the United States. And there's some extraordinary number of people.

• 11:22Speaker 02

  Oh, is this something they?

• 11:23Joe Rogan?

  Glyphosate.

• 11:24Speaker 02

  On the wheat, is this what they're spraying on the wheat?

• 11:25Joe Rogan?

  Exactly, so they spray it on the wheat as a desiccator. So they spray it on the wheat after the wheat has already been harvested to keep it from growing mold.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 11:33Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy, they're gonna spray poison to make sure that life doesn't grow on your wheat. That's really what's going on, like, like mold is a type of life.

• 11:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:43Joe Rogan?

  And, uh, they wanna make sure it doesn't grow on this wheat that they're gonna sell you, so they spray poison. So RFK Junior was trying really hard to stop that, but Trump essentially said that if they passed this ban on glyphosate and they forced all these farmers to stop moving glyphosate, it would destroy the farm market in America. It would destroy it. Like ninety-something percent of these people use glyphosate.

• 12:11Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 12:11Joe Rogan?

  And you're like.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  That's cause they have to like, it's, it preserves it essentially, so they could keep it longer and.

• 12:16Joe Rogan?

  For wheat and, and then corn actually has like roundup-ready corn. So you could spray it on the corn and it survives this shit.

• 12:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:25Joe Rogan?

  So like it kills all the weeds around it, but the corn survives, we've got this nuclear corn.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  That's bizarre.

• 12:30Joe Rogan?

  And what's crazy is our whole system depends on it. Like we've got a bad system and the solution is keep the bad system for now, because if we don't, if we don't feed people poison, then we'll go under.

• 12:47Joe Rogan?

  It's so crazy and that's how that's what it is in America. That's why when you go to Italy, you get that Italian flour, which is heirloom wheat. So, you know, Maynard from Tool, he explained this to me because he owns restaurants. And he said that when you're getting wheat from America, it's like got a higher yield per acre. Cause it's like more gluten dense. It has more complex glutens in it. And your body just goes, whoa, like this is a lot, you know, that feeling that like, whoa. Cause you're essentially eating glue.

• 13:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 13:20Joe Rogan?

  When you eat pasta that you have it in Italy or I'm not saying it doesn't have calories. But there's a difference in the way it feels when it goes in your body. There's not a resistance. It feels like food. When I become a glutton and I eat like a whole pizza in America, if it's not at a good spot that, you know, uses Italian wheat. I feel like I fucking poisoned myself.

• 13:41Speaker 02

  I literally feel, um, I mean, almost like a hangover or weird. Like you feel it like in your veins.

• 13:49Joe Rogan?

  So I don't know if that's the complex glutens. I don't know if that's glyphosate. I think the glyphosate thing is probably dangerous, but yet also possibly overstated. So it seems like the, the, the very low levels of glyphosate, our body can tolerate it. But the real question is like, why are we fucking tolerating it? Like, why is that there?

• 14:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:10Joe Rogan?

  Cause there's people that think that that's what you're reacting to when you're eating wheat. That you're reacting to your body. Your body's just like, what is this? I don't like this fucking herbicide.

• 14:17Speaker 02

  Well, this also happened as I got older. I don't even know what it was like, I just, I never really had an issue with like pizza, pasta, wheat, anything when I was a kid. I could eat a peanut butter jelly sandwich. Soon as I got to my mid twenties, it just hit me in a different way. And I don't actually, I don't know if you can develop a gluten intolerance or a gluten allergy.

• 14:34Joe Rogan?

  It happens to a lot of people as they get older. I wonder what that is. I wonder if that's just your body's just like, eh, fuck enough dude.

• 14:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:40Joe Rogan?

  Your body just gives up on it. It's like, but when you were young.

• 14:43Speaker 02

  It's running more efficiently, just naturally?

• 14:45Joe Rogan?

  You're, you're young, you're full of hormones, your body, the cells are replicating perfectly.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  Jerking off thirty times a day.

• 14:51Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're a fucking animal. Everything's great and you're, I think your body could just burn it off. Like, that's why hangovers weren't as bad when I was twenty either.

• 14:59Speaker 02

  No, yeah.

• 14:59Joe Rogan?

  Hangovers were no big deal. Just have some water the next day and you'll be good.

• 15:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:03Joe Rogan?

  It was not that bad.

• 15:04Speaker 02

  Dude.

• 15:04Joe Rogan?

  Hangovers, if I have a hangover at fifty-eight, I'm like, what are you trying to die early, you fucking idiot?

• 15:10Speaker 02

  That's what I'm saying about Shane at the stadium or the arena before. It's like, he's, we get there and I wasn't even drinking. I stopped drinking,

• 15:18Speaker 02

  you know, regularly here and there, but I, I, I was just, the best shape and the best mental state I've ever been in my life was when I'm completely sober. Completely sober, eating healthy, exercising every day. That right there is the best, it's the best version of everybody. It's not a unique thing to myself, right? But Shane, I was like, you know, he's fucking Shane. He was like, come on, you gotta have a drink.

• 15:36Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 15:36Speaker 02

  So I was like, started drinking whiskey.

• 15:38Joe Rogan?

  The best version of Shane is eleven Bud Lights. After eleven, he's just unstoppable.

• 15:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:45Joe Rogan?

  He's a jolly drunk, that's why.

• 15:47Speaker 02

  I don't know how he does it. I don't know if I could have done it for more than two, three nights in a row. I would die.

• 15:52Joe Rogan?

  You ever smoked weed with a rapper? It's the same shit. It's like people get used to things.

• 15:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:56Joe Rogan?

  You know, try smoking weed with Wiz Khalifa.

• 15:58Speaker 02

  Wiz Khalifa should try to smoke and weed with me.

• 16:00Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 16:01Speaker 02

  Are you kidding me?

• 16:01Joe Rogan?

  Are you really? You calling him out? That's crazy.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Bring it on, Wiz Khalifa. I used to be, I mean, I'm talking about an all day, every day, get up in the morning, just to get going, five dabs. Like, I, like, real deal, pothead, blunt to the head. I smoked a blunt to the head a week ago, right before I trained, and my, my spot partner was like, you smell like weed. I was like, I could never in a million years. But it's just, I'm so used to it that.

• 16:25Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it becomes a normal state. Well.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  I'm sure jiu-jitsu, everyone smokes weed before training.

• 16:29Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people smoke. It's the dirty secret of jiu-jitsu.

• 16:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:32Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people smoke weed before jiu-jitsu. What is Wiz doing, up the nose?

• 16:35Speaker 05

  Nose dab, yeah.

• 16:36Joe Rogan?

  Oh, no.

• 16:37Speaker 02

  You don't need to do that.

• 16:37Joe Rogan?

  Why would you do that, Wiz? That dude's jacked. You ever see what Wiz looks like?

• 16:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:41Joe Rogan?

  He got really into Muay Thai, like, like heavily, and so he brings the guy with him everywhere he goes and hits pads. He's fucking ripped, dude. I mean, like a ten-pack. It's crazy. He looks fucking great, and his technique looks pretty solid.

• 16:53Speaker 02

  Gets high, kicks shit. How fun is that? What a life.

• 16:55Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a thing about when you're high, you feel your muscles more, like you feel like the little fibers.

• 17:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:02Joe Rogan?

  You know, instead of it being a blunt thing, it's like you have access to all the fibers.

• 17:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, and it's also you like, um, with jujitsu specifically, you, you get into like a flow state. Where you close your eyes and you're just fucking feeling things and it's like, I think that can actually help it.

• 17:17Joe Rogan?

  I think it's a performance enhancer. I really do. I always felt like my jujitsu game was 10% better if I was high.

• 17:23Speaker 02

  Really?

• 17:23Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no bullshit. Yeah, I've, I've really felt that. I think Eddie would agree with that too. I think a lot of people agree with that.

• 17:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:30Joe Rogan?

  You know, I think.

• 17:31Speaker 02

  See, they're a comedy. It's like, it, it's, it can, it can be.

• 17:34Joe Rogan?

  It can be.

• 17:34Speaker 02

  I think if you're getting high every day and then if you switch it up, then it's a performance enhancer. Like being, right now, being completely sober. Like, I feel like I'm on Adderall. Like, I feel like I'm completely locked in in a different way. Whereas like, and then I'll stop smoking weed for six months, then I'll go back to it. I'm like, oh, I've never been more creative. It's just, I think it's just changing your mindset and whatever way you can do that.

• 17:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 17:56Speaker 02

  That's why people are so locked in on their, like, having the same opinions their entire lives. It's like, somebody called me out on Twitter today. They're like, dude, you flip flop constantly on things. I was like, you mean, I've grown? You've been watching me for 15 years on podcasts.

• 18:08Joe Rogan?

  Oh, listen, I'm Captain Flip Flop. I'm Captain Flip Flop. And then I just don't think you should be married to your ideas. I think the real problem is, once you say something, and then you have to defend it, and then once you find out that it's wrong, you, you fucking panic, and then you double down, and then you try to defend it in some weird fucking circular logic way.

• 18:32Speaker 02

  And you'll get there. You'll probably, if you're some smart enough guys, will just figure out a way to ass backwards their logic. But every once in a while, it's so nice to go, oh dude, I was completely wrong about that. See, you win any argument with a girl.

• 18:43Joe Rogan?

  In this world, the world that you and I are in, we have conversations publicly. That's right? And that's what's something that a lot of people don't do. So if you have conversations publicly, then the, the whole world can essentially go, no, you're wrong.

• 18:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:57Joe Rogan?

  You know, which is very valuable, very valuable for be able, being able to formulate opinions. Most people don't fucking have that, dude. So most people, they just like, if they're wrong about something, and they've said it publicly and shamed people, you know, you better do this because of that and this, and they're wrong. Once they find out they're wrong, they fucking panic. And there's not much you can do about it. Like, you're just wrong.

• 19:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:20Joe Rogan?

  And the only thing you could do, if you wanna keep any credibility and say, say, this is what I thought. And this is why I thought it, but I don't think that anymore. And I was wrong.

• 19:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:30Joe Rogan?

  I fucked that up. But this new information, I want you to have too.

• 19:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:34Joe Rogan?

  Cause this is why, I'm gonna tell you why I thought what I thought, and why it changed.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean.

• 19:39Joe Rogan?

  You gotta be able to do that.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  I think it's just a weird thing in society, people will not, they will, they refuse.

• 19:43Joe Rogan?

  Pretend they're smarter than they are.

• 19:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:44Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing, man. Everybody wants to pretend they're fucking smarter than they are. We're all talking monkeys.

• 19:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're idiots.

• 19:50Joe Rogan?

  All of us.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:51Joe Rogan?

  Every fucking person alive is a talking monkey. So the internet is the best and the worst thing that's ever happened. Cause now all the monkeys can scream. Wah, ha, ha! Everybody can get mad, everybody can complain, but it's also great.

• 20:04Speaker 02

  And you have time to reflect. You say, so what would happen if something would happen, right? Whatever it is, some big event, right? And it happens on Friday.

• 20:11Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 20:11Speaker 02

  Like, I don't have, I gotta sit on this until Monday. I'll talk to my, my wife or some friends at home, but it's like, until I get to work on Monday, I can't spout these ideas and my opinions, and you kinda reflect on it, you sit on it. You're on the toilet taking a shit, thinking about things. We don't have that anymore. It's just all distraction constantly. And it's like, just, I, I mean, the amount, like, I, the only time I ever, like, reflect is if I'm working out or I'm sitting in the steam room.

• 20:34Joe Rogan?

  Right, by yourself.

• 20:35Speaker 02

  Gotta put the phone away. You literally can't do anything.

• 20:38Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 20:38Speaker 02

  Um, but even you're taking a shit, dude. Back in the day, taking a shit used to be like the best thinking time.

• 20:42Joe Rogan?

  People had magazines.

• 20:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 20:44Joe Rogan?

  You know, you sit there reading Life magazine while you're taking a dump. What you just said was like, very important. This, what you just, so what we're talking about is people being able to talk about things. Now imagine what life was like, cause we both, how old are you?

• 21:00Speaker 02

  Forty-four.

• 21:01Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so you lived it a little bit, but I really lived it where there was no internet. And if there was no internet, you couldn't talk to anything about anybody, about any buddy, about anything, because everything that came up in the news, like you'd see it on the news, you go, what is going on? You get like this quick snippet, and then you'd have to go to a newspaper, and you'd read the newspaper and go, what the fuck are we doing in Venezuela?

• 21:24Speaker 02

  And at this point, 99% of people are already out. Even right there, that people like, eh, I'm not going to the library, I'm not getting a newspaper.

• 21:31Joe Rogan?

  And if you're the guy who goes to work, and you know, how much time do you have to talk to people about things? You have stuff to do. You can't be the guy that corners people when they're getting coffee. Do you hear what we're doing in Nicaragua? So we're selling cocaine in Los Angeles to the CIA. The CIA is selling cocaine in Los Angeles to fund the Contras versus the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. Did you know that? And you're like, uh, I got work to do.

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• 22:37Joe Rogan?

  And so, you never got to express yourself. What are you gonna do? Start a fucking ham radio channel? What are you gonna do? There was no way to express yourself.

• 22:45Speaker 02

  That was that.

• 22:46Joe Rogan?

  And it was, bro, if you did start a radio channel, here's the crazy thing, they would lock you up. Do you know that? You had to have an FCC license.

• 22:54Speaker 02

  What was that movie?

• 22:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Christian Slater.

• 22:56Speaker 02

  Christian Slater, pump up the volume.

• 22:57Joe Rogan?

  Pump up the volume.

• 22:58Speaker 02

  Pump up the volume, dude.

• 22:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what he was doing-

• 23:00Speaker 02

  He was podcasting from a car before there was podcasts.

• 23:02Joe Rogan?

  This is 1990, they were chasing him down, and they were trying to arrest him, and he was the rebel. And wasn't he saying like-

• 23:09Speaker 02

  Like 17?

• 23:09Joe Rogan?

  Some stuff like, go out there and live your life, or something like, what was he saying? Did he have like a pump you up speech?

• 23:15Speaker 02

  Everybody was listening to this. It wasn't even that controversial, but like, you know, the man, you know.

• 23:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, what was he saying? Like, he's, he's ranting. It's like low level podcasting, but he might be the first podcast.

• 23:27Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 23:27Joe Rogan?

  No, I'm like, no bullshit.

• 23:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:30Joe Rogan?

  Like, that idea in that movie might have been, you know, because it's always like one idea builds on, and then new inventions, and then builds on.

• 23:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 23:39Joe Rogan?

  The one idea is this sexy rebel who's out there yelling, fuck the man, and he's in a, like, a van, running from the cops, because they're gonna put him in a cage, because he made his own radio station.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 23:53Joe Rogan?

  And that's what we're doing right now.

• 23:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was a, yeah, I mean, I, I lived pre-internet, you know, and internet sort of, high school, ninth grade or so, that's when it started popping off.

• 24:03Joe Rogan?

  Podcasts show you straight up that the free market is much better than, than regulations by the government. Because you're never gonna get this kind of a show. If the government gets to regulate you, and they tell you, you can't swear, they can't tell you, you can't be obscene, there's certain things you can't say.

• 24:23Speaker 02

  Well, now it's just, now it's just YouTube and Google that'll tell you that.

• 24:26Joe Rogan?

  They, but they don't do it as much.

• 24:27Speaker 02

  No, not anywhere near as much, but it's the new way to sort of combat that is demonetization, like.

• 24:33Joe Rogan?

  Right, but here's the thing, the market dictates that too, because if, if someone else comes along and says, hey, we're not going to do that. So there's a reason why YouTube has, like, loosened up some of its content restriction.

• 24:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, because Rumble came out, Kick came out, yeah.

• 24:46Joe Rogan?

  Also, they were wrong. Like, a lot of the restrictions were during COVID, and they were wrong. They were wrong. They were telling people, if you bring up the lab leak theory, we'll kick you off of YouTube.

• 24:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, a lot of people. A lot of people completely lost their channels, like, lost their way to make money, lost their voice.

• 25:01Joe Rogan?

  The earth is flat.

• 25:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:02Joe Rogan?

  There's fucking millions, there's millions of Flat Earth videos out there. You could say Bigfoot raped my mom, you know, you could say anything.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:11Joe Rogan?

  But if you said that it might have come from a lab, like, you would get kicked off of YouTube.

• 25:16Speaker 02

  It's so funny, we found out that's exactly what happened.

• 25:19Joe Rogan?

  But the market sort of shifted, and that's how Rumble started getting bigger. Rumble got bigger specifically because of the fact there's pushback on YouTube, because they literally won't even let Nick Fuentes on YouTube. And he's on Rumble and he's like their number one guy.

• 25:35Speaker 02

  He's killing it on Rumble.

• 25:36Joe Rogan?

  See, that's the thing. It's like if you hold something back, you're just gonna make another version of it that opposes it and they're gonna have more energy to fight against you because you've you've stopped the truth.

• 25:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:48Joe Rogan?

  You've stopped stopped the truth about like not like about petty things, but really important things. Like how a fucking disease went through the whole world. You're literally stopping people from examining the truth, which is weird.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, there was a

• 26:03Joe Rogan?

  It's not good. That's real scary.

• 26:05Speaker 02

  That was a scary time, just like in general to like, it was it was a great time for podcasting. Podcasting blew up during covid.

• 26:11Joe Rogan?

  It was huge.

• 26:11Speaker 02

  Everyone just stayed at home. Everyone was like, oh, what are we gonna do? We have nothing else to do except sit on the internet and listen to podcasts.

• 26:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 26:18Speaker 02

  Um, but yeah, it was like, uh, just a weird, you know, uncertain time, even like physically in life, it was uncertain. And then you go on the internet and it's like, oh, I could just like lose everything. They could just just take it away like that. All these platforms. This is why I started, this is why I started, I'm, I do all of my own things specifically because I am terrified that my things are gonna be taken away from me.

• 26:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 26:38Speaker 02

  So I have my own platforms, my own festival.

• 26:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, you were really smart about that early on with Gas Digital. Such a good idea, dude. Such a good idea. And it's also like your fan base, your fan base is so loyal and so rabid.

• 26:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:51Joe Rogan?

  You know, because they're signed, they're like invested financially.

• 26:54Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:54Joe Rogan?

  And it's, it's a better relationship, honestly, in a lot of ways.

• 26:58Speaker 02

  Well, what's funny is when we started it, it wasn't it wasn't even completely necessary. What's funny is Patreon hadn't even, didn't, it existed, but it was like, you know, guitar players asking for tips. There was nobody podcasting on Patreon. We started the platform uncensored ad free for, you know, behind a paywall. We were unique. There was really no, Anthony Kumia did it. There was a couple of people that were doing their thing.

• 27:17Joe Rogan?

  And Anthony did it specifically because he was fired from XM.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, and he had to.

• 27:21Joe Rogan?

  He had to.

• 27:21Speaker 02

  Um, but we did, and it wasn't even like, it wasn't crazy back then. Um, but the way everything became censored and, you know, there's all these ads on YouTube. There's so much, it feels so like, um, it feels commercial. It feels like you're watching TV in the late 90s when you're watching YouTube now. Now more than ever, there's a need for an uncensored ad free platform and there's not many of them.

• 27:43Joe Rogan?

  No, 100%. And I think you did the smartest thing by doing that. And so here's the argument. The argument is like, That if it's everywhere, like if it's on YouTube and it's on Spotify, it's on everywhere, then there's more potential for growth because it's easier to access. That is true. And it's also, it's way easier to promote because people could just send each other. Like it's natural.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, the algorithms will push it, which is-

• 28:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's that, but there's also sharing.

• 28:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:09Joe Rogan?

  Like if I have, if someone has got a good podcast, I'll share it with my friends. Like, "You gotta listen to this, it's hilarious." And what, so that, you can't do that if it's a pay platform. So like you'd have to get someone to sign up.

• 28:21Speaker 02

  What's funny is we, we were so early on a lot of these things. I give myself a lot of credit here because we like, before you could screen record on your phone, we had in our app, we had a tool where you can clip clips to share them. To social media. So you could do, it was like limited to like two or three clips per episode.

• 28:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's great. And is it, um-

• 28:39Speaker 02

  It never worked really, but-

• 28:40Joe Rogan?

  Was there a time limit on the clips?

• 28:41Speaker 02

  A minute or two.

• 28:42Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's a problem. That's a problem.

• 28:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:45Joe Rogan?

  Because like you want, like at least eight.

• 28:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:48Joe Rogan?

  You know, because like especially if there's a funny back and forth between you guys.

• 28:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:52Joe Rogan?

  Like if you're doing legions of skanks and you guys are going off about something.

• 28:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:55Joe Rogan?

  You need a little more than a couple of minutes.

• 28:57Speaker 02

  You gotta sink your teeth into it.

• 28:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, otherwise, that's the best way to take things out of context, too.

• 29:03Speaker 02

  You're telling me.

• 29:03Joe Rogan?

  Boy, people love doing that.

• 29:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:06Joe Rogan?

  They love doing that. But it's also, it's like, what are you gonna ask everybody to listen to three hours of a podcast?

• 29:11Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 29:11Joe Rogan?

  You gotta expect that things are gonna get taken out of context. It's part of the game. You know, it's part of the thing we do.

• 29:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, um, and nobody really wants a context. Even when they find out the context.

• 29:22Joe Rogan?

  They don't care.

• 29:23Speaker 02

  They've been like, "Well, I already, we were saying before, I've moved on from that opinion."

• 29:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, nobody cares.

• 29:28Speaker 02

  Tomorrow, it's another, another day. You know? Nobody really cares about anything, to be honest with you. It's like the way that the internet has turned people into like, just like, whatever's in front of them, that's what they care about. I mean, the, the amount of things that were such a big deal a month ago. I mean, ICE was such a huge deal two months ago. We haven't heard anything about ICE since then. They, you know, it was, the Ukraine, what happened to the Ukraine? That war's still going on, I believe. Nobody gives a shit.

• 29:54Joe Rogan?

  It's still going on. It's just, it's not sexy right now.

• 29:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:57Joe Rogan?

  And you know what? It's like Law and Order Special Victims Unit, you know, season 50.

• 30:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:01Joe Rogan?

  It's like, okay.

• 30:04Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean?

• 30:05Speaker 02

  We've seen every angle on rape already.

• 30:08Joe Rogan?

  It's like, it's still gonna be a big show. You know, it's still important, it's top 10. But it's, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's not the number one thing that we're concerned with. Whereas when it popped off, when Russia invaded, it was like the end of the world.

• 30:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:21Joe Rogan?

  And then there was people, I literally heard people saying that Ukraine should have never given up its nukes. And I was like, okay, I could see what you're saying. I could see what you're saying, like, if they had nukes, Russia probably wouldn't invade them, but, ugh. But ultimately, that means we're threatening you with nukes.

• 30:39Speaker 02

  That's the scariest thing ever.

• 30:40Joe Rogan?

  That's fucking crazy, the whole thing's crazy. But it's also, it's like, why did this happen? Did NATO pushing arms closer and closer to Russia have no impact on this?

• 30:49Speaker 02

  Nobody can hit Texas or New York, though, right? Like, Hawaii's fucked.

• 30:54Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they could hit New York, what do you mean?

• 30:55Speaker 02

  They could hit New York?

• 30:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, they could hit New York.

• 30:57Speaker 02

  You think so?

• 30:58Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, yeah.

• 30:58Speaker 02

  With a nuke?

• 30:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, 100%.

• 31:00Speaker 02

  I read something a while ago that they could only reach Hawaii, or I guess it wasn't, it wasn't anyone, it was, um...

• 31:06Speaker 02

  Who was it? Was it Russia, or China, or something? One of them, they could only hit Hawaii. I had a bit about it in my act, and I was like, phew.

• 31:13Joe Rogan?

  We had a guy on that was talking about back-engineering UFO technology. And that they had this idea of using it to what they would call an instantaneous delivery system of a nuclear bomb. Because the way these things supposedly can travel... I'm a moron, so I don't understand anything about gravity. But what they were explaining is that if these crafts work in a way that has no normal kind of propulsion... We think of propulsion as like a jet. The fire goes out the back, and the jet goes forward really fast because of that, right?

• 31:53Joe Rogan?

  What they're saying is, these beings from wherever the fuck they are, with, I mean, these people that have back-engineered their crafts... The way they move is not by propulsion, it's by bending space and time. It's by doing something to the gravity around it, or the, the, the actual space of the universe. Around it where it can go to another place like instantaneously. So it's not like it flies. It's like it just fucking zips over to another part of the universe. And they can do it like that tic tac one that they they got on radar. They got it on the visuals like two different fighter pilots saw it and talked about it. They have video of it.

• 32:36Joe Rogan?

  This fucking thing went from more than fifty thousand feet above sea level to sea level in one second. Less than a second, so it's like beep beep beep radar. It went from fifty thousand feet to that. So if you could do that with a bomb, you could essentially instantaneously detonate Moscow.

• 32:53Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 32:54Joe Rogan?

  If that's a real technology. So this is probably why these assholes are hiding all this UFO information.

• 33:00Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:01Joe Rogan?

  It's because these assholes had probably were using the they were like, yeah, we could travel anywhere in the universe. Or we could blow up China without them even knowing it's happening. We could assure that we'll win a nuclear war.

• 33:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:13Joe Rogan?

  Anybody would have that technology, the ability to put something somewhere instantly. And you put a bomb in it? That's crazy.

• 33:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:21Joe Rogan?

  That might be with all this UFO bullshit is about.

• 33:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, the who knows? Who knows what's going on? I mean, like, like, obviously, there's something going on, right? Obviously, like, it's I think that where there's smoke, there's fire and there's too much talk.

• 33:33Joe Rogan?

  Stories about all these scientists that are getting whacked?

• 33:36Speaker 02

  No.

• 33:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's scientists that have gotten whacked and or missing and a couple of generals as well. That's all connected somehow or another to UFO technology and anti-gravity technology and nuclear scientists. And there's a bunch of stories that I've read about this and some of them are like, this is like purely exaggerated. And a lot of people are it's just they're taking that this guy committed suicide and he worked on that. And this guy went missing and he worked on that. But it's just coincidence.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  Right.

• 34:07Joe Rogan?

  And then there's other people that go, no, no, no, no, this is there's too many people. So now the White House has commented on it. So they're doing an investigation on this. Which makes me think. Hopefully, somebody who's really fucking smart has looked at this information and said there's something there. Like, what these people were working on was very extraordinary and could disrupt a market, or could be something that could be used in a weapon that would destroy another country, and so the other country sabotages it by killing scientists. That's shit that we would do.

• 34:39Speaker 02

  Think how little we know. Like, the amount of, like-

• 34:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Like, you and I?

• 34:44Speaker 02

  And just, human, just like, Americans, just, just the general population, like, the amount of, there's probably the craziest technology ever that the government has their hands on right now. It's like, we use AI tools, and it's like, I can't imagine the AI that the government currently has, right? And that's why that'll never disappear, it's because all of the governments are just, sort of, at a race to see who can implement the strongest AI. So, I can't even imagine how crazy it is.

• 35:10Joe Rogan?

  There was one lady that was, that went missing, and there's a weird video of her, because it seems like she's drunk, and she's, like, talking about, like, how, you know, this technology, that it's real, but every time they, that anybody gets close to it, people stop it, and this lady's gone missing as well. So, it seems like she might have had a couple of drinks or something, and then started ranting about this in some weird video call.

• 35:34Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:35Joe Rogan?

  But, listen, if I had that information, and I thought that people were trying to kill me because I knew about anti-gravity technology, and I literally thought, like, I'm in a Russell Crowe movie and someone's trying to fucking whack me, I'd probably get drunk, too.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:47Joe Rogan?

  Like, what are you gonna do? But, she, she went missing, though.

• 35:50Speaker 02

  I was talking to two, uh, nuclear scientists after my show, just these two, like, there was a couple, they were, like, straight-up nuclear scientists. It was Tacoma, or Spokane, whatever, it's near that, like, there's a huge, like, it's like, a nuclear town, like, everyone works in, like, nuclear science in this entire town. And, uh, he was, like, they were just, like, so into telling me about, like, not, not too much, not too in-depth, but he was like, you know, I work, like, a hundred feet below the ground, it was, like, super top-secret, and, um, he was like, I started asking him questions, he was like, "Oh, I can't answer that." He was like, "They've definitely tapped our phones. Are you out of your mind? You think they're, like, not just listening to what we're saying to people?" And I was just like, "Fucking, goddamn, dude."

• 36:30Joe Rogan?

  I think they're listening to everything everybody's saying all the time.

• 36:34Speaker 02

  They can't organize it yet.

• 36:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think it just gets stored. I don't think it's like someone's listening where they can just- Know every like they have a person with a fucking earphone on, listening to everything you say, oh, write it down.

• 36:47Speaker 02

  I think probably high government officials, they probably do.

• 36:50Joe Rogan?

  Probably, but now with AI, all they would have to do is record everybody's phone all the time. And then use AI to search all the transcripts and then find an audio recording of you saying this or you saying that.

• 37:03Speaker 02

  We're probably three years away from them being able to get everything we've ever done on the internet.

• 37:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but not just that. There's also AI which could take that and then have you make phone calls to people that you don't really make.

• 37:16Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:17Joe Rogan?

  So you could call up one of your friends and ask them to meet you somewhere with a bag of heroin. And they would all, you know, they would know, it would like literally you'd use it to set people up.

• 37:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:26Joe Rogan?

  You could use it to get people upset about something. You could have the AI have a fucking conversation with them.

• 37:32Speaker 02

  I mean, I've been listening to AI Joe Rogan ads on the internet for about a year now, where they just take your voice and they advertise products. Cause you have such a recognizable voice.

• 37:40Joe Rogan?

  That's pretty ridiculous, right?

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:42Joe Rogan?

  A lot of people go, do you use that? I go, no, it's AI. But the thing is, it's like, they can have it talk to you now. So it sounds like you.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:52Joe Rogan?

  You could have a conversation with you, like you could AI Louis J Gomez. You could talk to Louis J Gomez and it would be like you talking to yourself. You'd probably lose your mind if you were schizophrenic.

• 38:03Speaker 02

  I did something really dark and sad one day. I was super high and my mom died when I was 22 years old. And then I went, I prompted chat GPT. I told, I told a bunch of people about my mom. And I was like, I want to have a conversation with my mom on the other side about like what's going on in my life and my son and asked me questions and I was like, it was, it got very, like, I got really emotional, way more than you would think. Like I was, it was kind of just a dumb thing. I was stunned. I was like, let's see where this goes. I was, I felt like I was talking to my mom at the end of it.

• 38:32Joe Rogan?

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• 39:58Joe Rogan?

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• 40:42Joe Rogan?

  Visit betterhelp.com to explore your payment options. That's better, H-E-L-P, dot com. That's so crazy. Yeah. But here's the thing. If it gets to be a superintelligence, and they program a superintelligence to behave exactly and talk exactly like your mom...

• 41:02Joe Rogan?

  And then you had conversations with her, like it knows her voice.

• 41:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 41:06Joe Rogan?

  That would be such a fuck it. If you're schizophrenic and that starts happening, that would be the trip. That would be, that would be, that would be, bing, we blew the last fuse.

• 41:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's it dude.

• 41:16Joe Rogan?

  That would be it.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  Well, for us, for you and me, right, who we have, I mean, thousands and thousands of hours recorded, right?

• 41:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, they could have us say anything.

• 41:26Speaker 02

  Well, not only just say anything, like when I die, I'm assuming the technology, forget when I die, like forty years from now, like in the next few years, they can just take every opinion I've had, the way I speak, my thoughts, everything, and then they can use AI to not only just replicate what I do, but go like, well, what would he likely think? What would he likely say? If you sort of put all that data in, and then eventually it's like a little fucking box sitting on the table that my son talks to. His dad never dies. His dad's always there. I think that will be a thing that regularly is happening. You, you, and I don't know if it's like uploading the consciousness, or if it's the AI replicating your consciousness. I think they've talked about that for a long time, but that I think will happen unquestionably.

• 42:06Joe Rogan?

  No doubt.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 42:07Joe Rogan?

  And soon.

• 42:08Speaker 02

  Very soon.

• 42:09Joe Rogan?

  Well, the AI that they have now, like if you put on those Meta glasses, have you fucked with that? The VR goggles?

• 42:15Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah.

• 42:16Joe Rogan?

  They're pretty fucking good, dude.

• 42:17Speaker 02

  I mean, I just jerk off. That's it. I just say-

• 42:20Joe Rogan?

  Giant vaginas?

• 42:21Speaker 02

  Well, not, no, it's not even a, it's, um-

• 42:23Joe Rogan?

  If you have porn with VR, it must be insane.

• 42:25Speaker 02

  Oh, it's insane. It is insane.

• 42:27Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 42:27Speaker 02

  I can't watch regular porn anymore.

• 42:28Joe Rogan?

  Don't say it that way. It made me nervous.

• 42:32Speaker 05

  I was looking this up to see if it was still a thing. This is a William Shatner AI. He's sitting here waiting for us to ask him a question.

• 42:39Speaker 02

  And he'll just answer it in his voice.

• 42:40Speaker 05

  It's, uh, he'd sat there and recorded a bunch of stuff a couple of years ago for this. Um, I don't know how well it works, but-

• 42:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, ask him this.

• 42:49Speaker 02

  This is a little different though. This isn't, so they-

• 42:51Speaker 05

  I mean, this is just the beginning though, like this is-

• 42:53Speaker 02

  This is the beginning of it. So once they, but they, once they turn, they really turn the AI on this, it'll be like, it'll be a better William Shatner.

• 43:01Speaker 05

  I mean, it looks, uh, let's ask him one random question.

• 43:07Joe Rogan?

  Um, what, didn't he have like a make out session with a green lady on, in Star Trek?

• 43:14Speaker 05

  I don't know.

• 43:15Joe Rogan?

  I think he did. I think there was like some weird racial pushback. There was some weird pu- oh, he kissed Uhura. There was, he did make out with an alien. No, no, no. He did make out with an alien, right? I'm pretty sure he kissed like a, a green lady or something, but he also kissed Lieutenant Uhura, who was a black lady. And during the time where they did Star Trek, I think this was very controversial. That's it. So that was in 1968. And this was very controversial, that a white man and a black wa- and by the way, she was beautiful, that lady that played Uhura, she was beautiful. And they thought it was weird. They thought it was offensive. It was like, it was a big thing.

• 44:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. In like, the public. I was too young, obviously, I was one years old, but I do remember this story. I remember there was that movie, uh, Jungle Fever. It was an entire movie. The entire premise of the movie was it's- A black guy and a white girl. Interracial couple, that's a movie? That's it?

• 44:21Joe Rogan?

  Okay, what is it called? Was the episode called Play-Doh Stepchildren? Season three, episode 10, November 22nd, 1968. Wow. Uhura, played by, um, Nichelle Nichols and Captain Kirk, William Shaker. Episodes often cited incorrectly as the first interracial kiss on television. It was however, the first instance in which a kiss between a black person and a white person on US television was ever scripted as an earlier kiss on Moving with Nancy was un- what the fuck is Moving with Nancy? What is that?

• 44:56Speaker 05

  Nancy Sinatra special or something?

• 44:58Joe Rogan?

  Nancy kissed a black guy on TV? Is that what they're saying? That's pissing me off now, I don't know why. I bet she did it just to piss off Frank.

• 45:06Joe Rogan?

  Her father was not okay with that. I bet she did it just to piss off Frank.

• 45:13Speaker 05

  Let me check.

• 45:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, find out what she did. What the fuck happened?

• 45:19Speaker 02

  It's like a variety show?

• 45:20Joe Rogan?

  So was it like her and just a singer or something? Was it a show where they would sing each other? What happened here?

• 45:26Speaker 05

  Sammy Davis Jr.

• 45:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Sammy Davis Jr. Kissed her. Oh, that's you.

• 45:29Speaker 05

  Song and dance.

• 45:30Joe Rogan?

  That's kinda, with her?

• 45:32Speaker 05

  That's what it says. I'll probably look it up.

• 45:33Joe Rogan?

  But, but is that, it says an interracial kiss.

• 45:36Speaker 05

  Yeah, between Sinatra.

• 45:36Joe Rogan?

  Between Sinatra and Sammy Davis Jr. Oh, boy. He kissed, he passionately kissed his friend's daughter.

• 45:44Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 45:45Joe Rogan?

  Bro, those people were freaks back then.

• 45:47Speaker 02

  That's hot.

• 45:48Joe Rogan?

  They were freaks.

• 45:48Speaker 02

  This is it.

• 45:49Joe Rogan?

  That Brad Pack, that Rat Pack, those guys were animals. Look at that. Oh, that's on the cheek, bro. He kissed her on the cheek. Zoom in on that. That's outrageous. That's a nice friendly kiss. That's not a passionately kissed. Let me see that. Close in on there. Yeah, he kissed her on the cheek. Don't you think?

• 46:09Speaker 02

  It looks like the cheek.

• 46:10Joe Rogan?

  It looks like right here.

• 46:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, a little side, side of the.

• 46:11Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, a little, that's like a sweet thing.

• 46:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, Italian men do that to each other.

• 46:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's not a, that's not a kiss on the lips.

• 46:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:18Joe Rogan?

  That doesn't count. I say Star Trek's the first, because that was like, let's get down.

• 46:22Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:23Joe Rogan?

  Get down, get down. Jungle boogie.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  It's so nuts, dude. Yeah, I mean, my, uh, my mom, my mom was white and my dad was like Afro-Latino, like dark-skinned. Like, uh, he looked black, like, sure, he looked like Eazy-E. I was gonna show you a picture of my dad, it's crazy.

• 46:39Joe Rogan?

  That's funny.

• 46:39Speaker 02

  He looked straight up like Eazy-E. Um, and it's like, yeah, I mean, that, even in the eighties, growing up, that was kind of like, it was weird. I remember the first time I saw an interracial couple in high school. I'm forty-four, I'm not, I'm not that old. But like, it was weird. I remember just seeing like in, like, the tenth grade, this like, hot white chick started dating this like football player, black kid. It wasn't that regular where I grew, and I grew up an hour outside of New York City.

• 47:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and it was controversial, it would open you up to all sorts of, like, you'd get yelled at by people, you'd get attacked. There's a lot of people that, they dealt with a lot of shit back then, man.

• 47:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, racism's back, don't worry.

• 47:18Joe Rogan?

  It kinda never went away, but it's, it comes in waves of encouragement. Where people, people think like, it's okay. It's okay to be racist. It's okay to be this, to be that.

• 47:28Speaker 02

  It was a weird, it was a weird thing where it's like, a lot of us were just being ironic and funny for a while.

• 47:33Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 47:34Speaker 02

  You make racial jokes, you make jokes about anything like that. I, I think you could be, make a joke about anything. It's a comedian's job. Um, and then it like shifted once like social media became so like big and everyone's opinion, you can anonymously just say whatever you want, dude. If you wanted to, you want to say something racist anonymously, you had to write it on a bathroom wall. You'd be like, I hate N-words.

• 47:55Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 47:55Speaker 02

  On the wall on a marker.

• 47:56Joe Rogan?

  While you're taking a shit.

• 47:57Speaker 02

  And then somebody else responds to it underneath it and they're like, well, I hate you, cracker. And then it goes.

• 48:01Joe Rogan?

  That was always fun. Like bathroom walls were fun.

• 48:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. A lot of great conversations from there. Number.

• 48:07Joe Rogan?

  They give your ex-girlfriend's phone number on the wall.

• 48:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 48:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Those, those are the days.

• 48:11Speaker 02

  The original doxing.

• 48:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, it sounds also, those like the, the, that's the original message board.

• 48:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's the original YouTube comments.

• 48:20Joe Rogan?

  Right, that's the original comments on an ex post is the bathroom wall.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  That's it, and that's the only thing, that's as far as it can go, was maybe 12 people a day would see your shit.

• 48:29Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 48:29Speaker 02

  Anonymously. But it felt so good, just N-I-G.

• 48:33Joe Rogan?

  I can't remember any interracial.

• 48:35Speaker 02

  During a swastika?

• 48:36Joe Rogan?

  Couples in high school. I can't remember any of them. Oh, no, one. I do remember one. But I do remember there was a lot of pushback, man. Like, a lot of people were like openly racist about it.

• 48:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 48:46Joe Rogan?

  It's, uh, eventually has to go away. But it's like, it's going away in waves. Like, it used to be normal. Like, everybody was racist. The whole world was racist.

• 48:59Speaker 02

  I think everyone is bigoted. It's a little different than, little different than racist, right?

• 49:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, everyone was tribal, right? Like, you could only trust the 150 people that you lived with. And you could barely trust them. You could barely trust them. They were probably trying to be the tribal chief and fuck people over and fuck the chief's wife. That shit's always gone on. But for sure, if there was a group that you didn't know and they showed up, they were there to kill you. Hundred percent.

• 49:26Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 49:26Joe Rogan?

  A bunch of guys show up, there's fifteen guys, they show up, but you're, they're trying to kill you.

• 49:30Speaker 02

  Well, also, pre-internet, you, you had to coexist. Or you had to, the only people you can communicate with, you go to the grocery store, it's an Indian guy, or a black guy, or Puerto Rican guy, it's like, no, I gotta buy a tomato. So, um, we're just gonna do what we need, I'm gonna give you my dollar, you're gonna give me a tomato, and I'm gonna say, have a good day.

• 49:45Joe Rogan?

  This is in America, in a city, in the twentieth century, and then the twenty-first century.

• 49:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:50Joe Rogan?

  What I'm saying is, we're hardwired for the olden days.

• 49:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 49:55Joe Rogan?

  This is why it's so easy to get people to join a team, whether it be a Democrat, or be a Republican, or MAGA, or whatever the fuck it is. It's so easy, because people are programmed to be in tribes.

• 50:06Speaker 02

  Right, yeah. And they want an identity.

• 50:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  It's, it's easier to-

• 50:10Joe Rogan?

  And there's an enemy, they want an enemy, too.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Yep, you have a, you feel like you're on a side. You feel, you don't really have to do much thinking.

• 50:17Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 50:17Speaker 02

  Like, whatever, whatever they say, I agree with.

• 50:19Joe Rogan?

  Gives you comfort, that you're surrounded by other people. I used to think that when I was young, when I would watch, like, religious preachers on television. I was watching those, like, these Islamic guys, and they were talking about Islam. And the way, the certainty in the fact that what they were saying was true. Like, the way they were saying, like, all these other religions mean nothing, because Islam is the truth, and they were like, yep. They're like, they believed it, like, I'm like, it must feel great to believe something one hundred percent like that.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  To really buy it.

• 50:50Joe Rogan?

  And to have a bunch of other people around you that also believe it, hundred percent know if ands or buts.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 50:56Joe Rogan?

  But we've all, the reality is, no one knows about anything until you experience it.

• 51:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:03Joe Rogan?

  So you don't really know what's gonna happen in heaven, if heaven's real, you don't know any of that.

• 51:08Speaker 02

  No.

• 51:09Joe Rogan?

  But you're so convinced, and my question is, by what?

• 51:15Speaker 02

  I wish I had any sort of spiritual faith.

• 51:18Joe Rogan?

  That's what I keep saying.

• 51:19Speaker 02

  I wish.

• 51:19Joe Rogan?

  Come up with a good cult, I'll join it.

• 51:21Speaker 02

  Doggy, I, I just can't, I, whatever, since I was a little kid, I remember just being a little kid, and think, having the thought, God's not real. And then trying, because I was raised Catholic, just suppressing it, being like, I can't think that I'm gonna burn in hell, if I even think the idea that God isn't real. It's like, what a weird psychotic thing to do to, like, a five-year-old kid.

• 51:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 51:39Speaker 02

  You know? And, um, yeah, it's like, uh- Yeah, you you sort of like that the idea of faith, it it actually seems like really like kind of freeing like the idea of like, dude, I'm gonna die and I'm gonna go to the kingdom of heaven. I'm gonna experience everything that I've ever wanted. I mean, that sounds incredible. I it's for me, it's like I feel like I'm counting down until I'm gonna sleep forever like I have nothing after I really don't believe in any of that. When people get into like these heated, passionate like debates about certain things like abortion is a great topic. For this concept, when you're trying to convince somebody that's religious, like to be pro life, you're like, you don't understand what's going on there, dude. They believe you're murdering a baby. You're not gonna convince somebody

• 52:20Speaker 02

  that like, oh, well, let me let me try to break this down for you right now. Let me try to give you a different angle on this. No, they they believe that that's a life at conception. They believe it's a soul. They really fucking believe that deep down. And that is like, like, I kind of go like, well, I respect that. Like, I'm not gonna like, I I'm pro life, right? I I was raised by by women and I just kind of grew up in New York. We always sort of had that sensibility.

• 52:40Joe Rogan?

  Do you mean pro-choice? Is that what you meant?

• 52:41Speaker 02

  I'm sorry, I'm pro-choice. I apologize. But when I my son was born, or even when I first saw the heartbeat, I remember I was like, that's a life right there. The heartbeat that six weeks, whatever it was, I was like, that's a fucking life right there. But when you're dealing with the religious people who believe that that's a soul and that that is like the second it's conceived, you're trying to convince them that it's okay to kill a baby.

• 53:01Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 53:01Speaker 02

  And it's never gonna happen.

• 53:04Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, no, it's never gonna happen. And I don't know who's right. That's the real problem. Like, for convenience sake and for living your life on your own terms sake. And the see, my take on this, first of all, I'm not a woman. And if you're talking about this and there's no chance of you ever getting pregnant, that's a weird thing. Because you like, conceptually, yeah, that's a life, no doubt. I mean, not even conceptually, objectively, it's a life. It's gonna become a human. But who who like, who am I to say, especially in cases where like incest and rape and, you know, crazy shit?

• 53:45Joe Rogan?

  Who am I to say that you have to raise that kid that you have to that that life has to you have to change your body for the next nine months, maybe ever irrevocably. I mean, maybe it'll just change your body forever. Maybe you'll have stretch marks forever.

• 53:58Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:59Joe Rogan?

  Because of this, because of this horrible thing that happened to you, because everybody says that this life is precious.

• 54:05Speaker 02

  Every time you gotta feed it breakfast, you gotta fucking.

• 54:07Joe Rogan?

  If that was for men, if men got pregnant. Abortion would be at gas stations. Fill it up and take it out. It would be, there's not a fucking chance in hell.

• 54:16Speaker 02

  That's a bit, dude. That's a bit.

• 54:18Joe Rogan?

  It was just not a chance in hell that it would be a debate.

• 54:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:21Joe Rogan?

  It wouldn't be a debate. If men make the laws and men could get pregnant, men would have abortions everywhere.

• 54:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:28Joe Rogan?

  There's no fucking chance you'd be able to tell another man that he's gonna have to keep a baby.

• 54:32Speaker 02

  No. Yeah, it's, it's, it's very complex and I understand both sides of it. You know, I really do. I, when, when people say that's a life, you can't, it's like, I'm like, I really get that. And when people go like, it's a woman's body and sort of race to choose if she wants to eject this from her body before a certain time.

• 54:50Joe Rogan?

  It's a weird thing is like, at what point in time? Like, could you stop it when it's a clump of cells? Can you stop it when it's almost a fetus? You know what I mean? Like, it gets, it's, it's such a human problem in that there's no... It's, it's a weird fucking sloppy.

• 55:06Speaker 02

  I think when it grows, when it grows a nose. Yeah, before it hits, before it grows a nose or, or fingers.

• 55:11Joe Rogan?

  Kid, it's gonna be a kid that maybe wins an Olympic gold medal.

• 55:14Speaker 02

  If it's got webbed fingers still.

• 55:16Joe Rogan?

  It could be a kid that is Sabrina Carpenter is on stage in front of all those people. You know what I mean? That's the weird thing about life.

• 55:22Speaker 02

  It could be somebody that changes the world.

• 55:23Joe Rogan?

  It could be.

• 55:23Speaker 02

  Literally, yeah, yeah. If you look at like child development, like, um, month to month, I mean, when my, when my son was being born, I was just like obsessively like looking at it. It starts looking like a baby way earlier than you think. And the problem is, you can still abort it when it looks like a fucking baby. And that's, it's just a...

• 55:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you could abort it when it is a baby.

• 55:41Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:42Joe Rogan?

  In, in certain cases.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, if it's like medically...

• 55:44Joe Rogan?

  I knew a guy, his girlfriend had a late term abortion and it was horrible.

• 55:49Speaker 02

  Jesus.

• 55:49Joe Rogan?

  Horrible to know that like she was showing, it was, oof.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  Well, there was that one...

• 55:55Joe Rogan?

  This was in the 90s.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  There was a one video that went viral a while ago and it was like, they were talking to somebody in an abortion clinic with like a hidden cellphone camera. And they were like, well, what happens if you abort the fetus, you remove the fetus and it's still alive? Like on the table? Um, we, they, and they were like, well, we would have to at least extinguish life or something like that. It was like pretty fucking crazy.

• 56:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 56:17Speaker 02

  It's like, so when the baby's out, you're gonna kill the, that, you're just gonna kill, it's call it what it is, you're gonna kill a baby. It's bonkers.

• 56:24Joe Rogan?

  And that's why, like, you could understand why Christians would think that's demonic.

• 56:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think anyone, anyone would think that's demonic.

• 56:31Joe Rogan?

  You could totally understand that and to ignore that and throw it into this no, but I, you know, I believe in the woman's right to choose. Okay, me too, but what's that?

• 56:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 56:42Joe Rogan?

  Like, what are we saying here? Like, you're gonna just kill the baby? When it's alive outside the womb? Is it viable? Like, could it be grow up and become one of your friends? Like, what are we doing?

• 56:53Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 56:54Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying? Could it, could that baby grow up?

• 56:57Speaker 02

  And just live.

• 56:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and just have a wonderful life and have a great job. It's fucking weird, man. Because like, what is life? And why, it, it's very precious to us because if we don't have it, then we don't have a say in what's going on. But we're really just a fucking bunch of atoms and particles and molecules and everything's spinning around at a different frequency. That's what we really are.

• 57:20Speaker 02

  Your mushrooms are kicking in, Joe.

• 57:21Joe Rogan?

  They're not even, just, I'm just saying, like, we're so obsessed with life.

• 57:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:27Joe Rogan?

  And that's why this is such a fascinating conversation. It's also a fascinating conversation because men can't get pregnant.

• 57:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:33Joe Rogan?

  It's a weird.

• 57:34Speaker 02

  Well, I think they can, right? Then they do, they can carry the baby. We can't get pregnant, but I think you could.

• 57:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, they're talking to trans men, they're talking about getting uteruses implanted in their body and then getting pregnant and having an abortion. I want to be the first person to do that. It just shows you how trans is really healthy.

• 57:49Speaker 02

  That's pretty hilarious.

• 57:50Joe Rogan?

  It would be a good bit. It'd be something Steve would do.

• 57:54Speaker 02

  It really would be.

• 57:56Joe Rogan?

  It is.

• 57:57Speaker 02

  I'm gonna, I'm gonna put a baby in a board. How fucking great is that? That's funny.

• 58:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he would do it if there wouldn't be any social pushback.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 58:04Joe Rogan?

  That, that one's, you know, it's tough.

• 58:06Speaker 02

  A little bit of a tough one.

• 58:07Joe Rogan?

  He almost got titty implants.

• 58:08Speaker 02

  I know, he told me that.

• 58:09Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy.

• 58:10Speaker 02

  It's nuts.

• 58:11Joe Rogan?

  Don't do that.

• 58:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:13Joe Rogan?

  Ouch. You're gonna get your chest carved open.

• 58:15Speaker 02

  Didn't he get a dick tattoo on his face?

• 58:16Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 58:17Speaker 02

  He's insane.

• 58:18Joe Rogan?

  Right over his eyebrow.

• 58:19Speaker 02

  He's a lunatic.

• 58:20Joe Rogan?

  Took me like a few seconds to realize it was a dick, too. I'm like, okay. Last time I saw you, you didn't have that, right?

• 58:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's a wild, he's a fucking wild one.

• 58:27Joe Rogan?

  So, is that nuclear scientist thing or the UFO scientist thing, is there anything to that? Do we know? Why don't you throw that into our ad, our sponsor, Perplexity? I already did. What does this say?

• 58:41Speaker 05

  It's obviously an online link.

• 58:43Joe Rogan?

  Right, but I mean, the White House is investigating this.

• 58:46Speaker 05

  They're bringing it up. They're investigating because so many people are asking about it.

• 58:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's, it's that easy? Let's find out if Michelle Obama has a dick.

• 58:57Joe Rogan?

  If the White House is like, we have an unprecedented number of people asking this question. It's our duty to do the work for the American people.

• 59:06Speaker 05

  They do, why, they all had a, like, security clearance and all happened to work in similar fields like nuclear fusion or fusion.

• 59:15Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so what ties the 11 together? Many of recently clearances are indirect access to says, sensitive government work, often via NASA, the Department of Energy's nuclear labs, the Air Force, or major defense contractors. Their deaths or disappearances occurred between 2022 and early 2026, clustered enough in time to draw political and media attention. The White House has ordered agencies such as FBI, NASA, the Department of Energy, and the Department of War to perform link analysis to see if there's any pattern beyond coincidence. So one of them was real weird, where there was like a lady who was hiking, and she was with a bunch of friends, her friend turned around and asked her a question,

• 1:00:00Joe Rogan?

  she talked to her, and then she turned around again and she was gone. And they have no idea what happened, they never found a body, they brought the dogs in, the dogs couldn't find her.

• 1:00:13Joe Rogan?

  Just gone. That's it. But here's my question, if I was her, and I thought that they were trying to whack me, and I was going hiking with my friends, and I was at the back of the line, that's where I'd be if I was gonna make a run for it, right? If I thought all these people were bringing me up there, these fucking fellow scientists to chuck me off the cliff, I might be in the back, and then I might, if I'm paranoid, maybe I ate edible before I went on this hike, to be a little closer to nature, and I'd look at that person in front of me, I'm like, I'm gonna wait until they turn that, right around that turn, and I'm fucking gone. Homer Simpson into the bushes. And then she just fucking booked it down that hill, and hopped in her car, got an Uber waiting for, disappeared.

• 1:00:56Joe Rogan?

  Case you're thinking of is Monica Jacinto Reza, 60-year-old aerospace engineer linked to NASA, JPL, and Advanced Rocket Engine Materials Research. She disappeared on June 22nd, 2025 while hiking in the Angeles National Forest, Los Angeles County, on a well-traveled trail. I know where that place is. I've been to that spot. Reports say she was hiking with at least one friend, companion. The friend was roughly 30 feet ahead, turned to check on her, saw her smile, and waved that she was fine, then a short time later, looked back again, and she was gone. Despite intensive searches, no confirmed trace of her has been found, and her case is now one of the central examples of missing or dead scientist cluster

• 1:01:40Joe Rogan?

  being reviewed by federal agencies.

• 1:01:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:01:44Joe Rogan?

  That's weird.

• 1:01:45Speaker 02

  She disappeared. She was like, "Fuck this." She saw all these other scientists being murdered, and she was like, "I'm out."

• 1:01:50Joe Rogan?

  Right, because if you were a scientist, you'd probably be paying attention to other scientists getting whacked.

• 1:01:54Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. On the same projects?

• 1:01:55Joe Rogan?

  Especially if somebody started talking.

• 1:01:56Speaker 02

  You're in an empty office.

• 1:01:57Joe Rogan?

  You're in the coffee station, and someone's like, "Do you hear what happened to Ted? Ted's dead. He shot himself in the head twice."

• 1:02:08Speaker 02

  From long range.

• 1:02:09Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, anti-gravity Ted? Anti-gravity Ted is dead.

• 1:02:13Speaker 02

  He killed himself with a sniper rifle. It was pretty crazy.

• 1:02:15Joe Rogan?

  Get the fuck out of here. I'm going hiking with Monica. I don't fucking trust Monica.

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  Fuck that.

• 1:02:20Joe Rogan?

  Monica's trying to kill you. She's out there hiking, and Monica turns and waves at her.

• 1:02:25Speaker 02

  I don't trust hiking. She was probably fucking killed by a bear or a mountain lion.

• 1:02:29Joe Rogan?

  You could get got.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  That's crazy. I don't know.

• 1:02:32Joe Rogan?

  My friend Cam, his brother, almost got killed by a mountain lion and had this crazy story about it. And he's like a distance runner. He's one of those ultra-marathon guys. And his brother told this video about what had happened to him. He was running down the road and it was like dusk out, like starting to get dark. And he saw these eyes, these glowing eyes in the bushes. And he yelled at it because he thought it was a coyote. And it stands up and it's a fucking mountain lion. And so then it starts chasing him. And he goes, I couldn't have used pepper spray because if I did, I would have sprayed myself. Cause it was that close.

• 1:03:09Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:03:10Joe Rogan?

  He goes, I yelled at it. I kicked rocks at it. He kept, and he goes, I just ran. He goes, I think the thing that might have saved me was a bunch of dogs were barking.

• 1:03:18Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:03:18Joe Rogan?

  And it might have thought the dogs were out there.

• 1:03:20Speaker 02

  You're not outrunning a mountain lion.

• 1:03:21Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:03:22Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:03:22Joe Rogan?

  It was, it was running behind him, but not like a hundred percent committed to killing him yet.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  Wow. That's scary.

• 1:03:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, nature is fucking scary.

• 1:03:32Joe Rogan?

  And people like, we need to make an overpass in Los Angeles near these homes. So the mountain lion can get across the fucking trap. No. Any retard mountain lion that goes across the 405 should get obliterated. That's, that's nature. That's nature. Hey, you thought that fucking semi wasn't dangerous? You retarded cat? That's a retard cat.

• 1:03:55Speaker 02

  Yes, it is.

• 1:03:55Joe Rogan?

  That, that cat, probably his brother fucked his sister and that's, that's how he was born. And now he's a dumbass and he's supposed to get taken out by a Subaru.

• 1:04:04Speaker 02

  Did you ever see that? They, uh, it was like all these inbred tigers?

• 1:04:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Oh, white tigers.

• 1:04:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude. And they were like fucking goofy.

• 1:04:10Joe Rogan?

  They have one at the Austin Zoo.

• 1:04:12Speaker 02

  Retorted tiger.

• 1:04:13Joe Rogan?

  Went to visit the Austin Zoo and you looked at him like, hey. Go on.

• 1:04:16Speaker 02

  Their tongues are hanging out.

• 1:04:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're goofy looking. A bunch of those white ones are, are inbred. Because that's a weird like genetic thing, I guess, to have a white one.

• 1:04:26Speaker 02

  Cute though. I took my son to that, uh, tiger, not the Tiger King, but it was the other guy. The ones who's in jail for tax evasion now.

• 1:04:34Joe Rogan?

  Tiger King's in jail for murder, right?

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  No, no, no. It was one of the guys.

• 1:04:38Joe Rogan?

  Not for murder, but for like trying to get someone murdered?

• 1:04:41Speaker 02

  The other guy, what the fuck's his name? He was the one who had all the girlfriends.

• 1:04:45Joe Rogan?

  Oh, the guy ran the little cult. A little cult going on.

• 1:04:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude. I brought my son there and it was him, dude. He came out when they presented the elephant. It was, um, why am I blanking on his name? Was it Doc Antle? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He brought the elephant out himself. It was, dude, it was such a fun show. Like it was like a half day. It was like four or five hours.

• 1:05:03Joe Rogan?

  So he went to jail for what?

• 1:05:03Speaker 02

  Tax evasion.

• 1:05:05Joe Rogan?

  Fucking pay your taxes, people.

• 1:05:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:08Joe Rogan?

  It's the dumbest way to get got.

• 1:05:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's crazy. Oh, and while, yeah, money laundering char- I'm sorry.

• 1:05:12Joe Rogan?

  Oh, money laundering.

• 1:05:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:14Joe Rogan?

  Wildlife trafficking and money laundering. That's a lot different than not paying your taxes.

• 1:05:19Speaker 02

  They have all of these baby tigers that they bring out, but they only have like two adult tigers. So what are they doing with these baby tigers?

• 1:05:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, go back to that. Hold on, make that larger. What does it say here? It says 12 months for pleading guilty for in a conspiracy to violate the Lacy Act and launder more than $500,000 for what he believed to be an operation to smuggle illegal immigrants into the United States across the Mexico border. Oh, so this is a lot different than that. Like, he was getting illegal immigrants across the border for money.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  He was, yeah, he was.

• 1:05:51Joe Rogan?

  Oh. That's crazy. So that's not just like wildlife stuff and taxes. Like, this guy was like illegal immigrant trafficking.

• 1:06:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, this guy was.

• 1:06:03Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 1:06:04Speaker 02

  A bad dude, probably. But he did have, you know, a bunch of like.

• 1:06:07Joe Rogan?

  Had a sweet cult going on.

• 1:06:08Speaker 02

  Young hot chicks. I had a, I knew a girl that I dated who went and interviewed. And she was like, it felt like I was interviewing for porn. She was like, I showed up and it was like, oh, no, no, the other girls were like, oh, you're gonna have to like be a part of this. Yeah.

• 1:06:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing about this guy.

• 1:06:22Speaker 02

  But for a baby tiger dude, I gotta be honest with you, they're really cute.

• 1:06:25Joe Rogan?

  They're adorable.

• 1:06:25Speaker 02

  I get it. Women are so fucking dumb. They're like, baby tigers, I'll suck his dick, fine.

• 1:06:29Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think they just wanna belong to something. And this guy comes along and he's charismatic and you belong to his little family. Family, five girls, they're all hanging out together, blowing this one fat guy.

• 1:06:44Speaker 02

  Who's smuggling Mexicans and murdering baby tigers.

• 1:06:46Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's the thing about those kinda guys. This is why I was gonna say about the smuggling in the Mexicans. Those kinda guys are never happy with whatever they've gotten away with. They always wanna keep pushing.

• 1:06:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:57Joe Rogan?

  You know? He was not happy that he's an ugly guy with a cult, you know, of, of hot chicks.

• 1:07:02Speaker 02

  You did it.

• 1:07:02Joe Rogan?

  And tigers.

• 1:07:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, you're a millionaire of tigers and hot chicks. And so you need.

• 1:07:05Joe Rogan?

  You're in a TV show. You're good. You're good. You don't have to smuggle in the Mexicans too. But those kinda guys are always, they just can't stop pushing.

• 1:07:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:13Joe Rogan?

  Can't stop pushing.

• 1:07:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think, yeah, it's whatever it is, you, you, whatever level it is, you always wanna level up, no matter what.

• 1:07:20Joe Rogan?

  No matter what.

• 1:07:21Speaker 02

  Bobby Kelly said that to me about Louis back in the day. He was like, uh, you know, cause we all, we're all, everyone's insecure comedian. Everyone in New York's insecure. Everyone in LA and Austin, you guys fucking, you guys are, you guys fucking love life. You're just living life to your fullest. Everyone in New York's like, I'm gonna kill myself. I hate fucking life. It sucks.

• 1:07:36Joe Rogan?

  I think it's the environment.

• 1:07:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, it's a rough city. It's a really rough city.

• 1:07:40Joe Rogan?

  It's a great city. It's awesome.

• 1:07:41Speaker 02

  Oh, it's amazing.

• 1:07:42Joe Rogan?

  But cities in general is a weird concept. Shoving a bunch of people way too close to each other for long periods of time. It has an effect.

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  It's also like, uh, it's just a, it's a rough city, dude. It's even when, even on like the highest level, like if you're doing well.

• 1:07:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:59Speaker 02

  You still gotta fucking walk up those subway stairs and it's just like, just hot air in the summertime down. If you try to take the subway or, you know, sitting in New York traffic or just like crazy homeless people walking around, you gotta like really wanna be there to stand it. I, I did it for 20 years. I moved to the suburbs during the pandemic. Um, and I, I love New York. I still love New York. I go to New York a few times a week still, but it is, uh, it is definitely a young man city where you gotta like, you gotta be there to like, I'm trying to become the best comic or a dancer or work on Wall Street or whatever it is like.

• 1:08:27Joe Rogan?

  That's true, but I know a lot of old people that love it too, man. They'll never leave. They love it.

• 1:08:31Speaker 02

  Well, they get used to the life.

• 1:08:33Joe Rogan?

  They love the energy. There's just people around them all the time. There's something going on everywhere you look. You could get food at three o'clock in the morning. You could, I mean, as far, if you're a city person like Ari, like it's the greatest place on earth.

• 1:08:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:47Joe Rogan?

  It, there's no place like New York City.

• 1:08:48Speaker 02

  Ari spends, I don't even know how much on rent, but probably $50,000 a month for a room where you can touch all the walls. It's crazy.

• 1:08:56Joe Rogan?

  It's stupid. It's stupid. And now if you're rich and you own property and you don't stay there, they're gonna, they're gonna tax you more. There's a new thing that Mom Donnie just came out with and everyone was like, yeah, fuck the billionaires. Like, okay, fuck the billionaires until it's fuck the thousandaires.

• 1:09:12Speaker 02

  It's all, it's not even just billionaires. Like we're talking about, you don't have to be particularly wealthy to own property. Like it's a good investment with the money that you have.

• 1:09:21Joe Rogan?

  Right. But this particular bill is about more than $5 million valued homes.

• 1:09:26Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:09:26Joe Rogan?

  So if you have an apartment in New York City, it's worth more than $5 million. You get taxed more.

• 1:09:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:32Joe Rogan?

  And he's like saying it won't be that big a deal and it will, it'll give the city $500 million in, in extra revenue that they could use for all kinds of things that they wanna do. Which is great if you've cut out all the fraud.

• 1:09:47Joe Rogan?

  But you haven't. And so you're not even concentrating on the fraud. You're not even admitting the fraud exists. You're not even admitting the waste exists.

• 1:09:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:54Joe Rogan?

  How about you tell us where all the money to NGOs went? How about you tell us that? How about you tell us where all the homeless money went? What'd you spend it on? There's all these homeless people. It seems like no one, someone didn't do a good job and got a lot of money. But happen, and you want more money? That's a crazy answer.

• 1:10:13Speaker 02

  And it's also like the idea that rich people are inherently like privileged. It's very bizarre. Like, I'm not rich, but I do pretty well. Like, I do, I do better than, you know, much better than the average American financially, you know? Um, a lot of people would consider me, you know, pretty well to do. But like, I grew up welfare, drug addict mother, dad stabbed when I was four years old. I had to fuck. And I spent 15 years doing comedy, making zero dollars, investing into this thing to hopefully one day on the other side of it, be able to reap the benefits of it. So now that I've finally broken through to the other side, you're like, oh, well, no, you don't deserve all that money. We deserve some of that money. That's crazy.

• 1:10:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a weird concept in this country. And it's because of the billionaire class. So there's a level of the game where they've passed so far. See, if everybody only got, this is like what people would like to say, you know, being a millionaire is fine. Nobody should be a billionaire. We should have a cap on wealth. The problem with that is you're gonna also have a cap on motivation.

• 1:11:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:11Joe Rogan?

  So a lot of these people are fucking psychopaths.

• 1:11:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:11:14Joe Rogan?

  A lot of these people that run these corporations are fucking psychopaths. And they work 16 hours a day, seven days a week. And the only reason why they do that is because they know that they can make a hundred billion dollars if they do that. And if you stop that, you're gonna stop iPhones. You're not gonna have Lenovo laptops. You're not gonna have any of these things. If, if, that's where it's weird for people. Like, you're not gonna have an Amazon unless you have a guy who's a billionaire. Like, it's not gonna, see, the thing is, I know it's not fair. You're right, it's not fair. And here's the thing, would it be better?

• 1:11:48Speaker 02

  It is fair.

• 1:11:49Joe Rogan?

  Kind of.

• 1:11:50Speaker 02

  Life is kind of fair in a weird way.

• 1:11:52Joe Rogan?

  Hold please, depending on how you treat your employees.

• 1:11:55Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:11:55Joe Rogan?

  That's where we decide whether or not it's fair.

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  So you're saying that Amazon doesn't treat their employees well?

• 1:11:59Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 1:12:00Speaker 02

  I hear that a lot.

• 1:12:00Joe Rogan?

  I hear that a lot too. I don't know if it's true. But what I do know is that there's a lot of fucking complaints. And if there's a lot, where there's smoke, probably some fire. I know that there's like some efficiency things where you have like a clock ticks off, like if you order a fucking a box of legal pads.

• 1:12:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:17Joe Rogan?

  You you know, those little notebooks.

• 1:12:19Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:12:19Joe Rogan?

  You have to, this guy has to get that in the box in like thirty seconds, whatever the fuck it is. So he has to run around, like people are literally like moving quickly around the warehouse.

• 1:12:28Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're like, you hear stories, and once again, you have to take everything with a grain of salt. Like, employees become bitter sometimes, you know what I'm saying? Like, most people hate their boss.

• 1:12:36Joe Rogan?

  True, but that job does sounds like it sucks. And it sounds like you're asking people to run around because you want to make the most money possible. But you're paying them not that great. Like, that's a weird one, because you're also setting up the inevitable, which is robots. Because they're gonna be able to do that way easier and quicker. They're gonna know exactly where the product is, they're not gonna have to look on their fucking little iPad.

• 1:12:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:12:57Joe Rogan?

  They're gonna know exactly where it is, they're gonna go right to it, package it, they're gonna print out instantaneously.

• 1:13:02Speaker 02

  They're never going to the bathroom, never taking a lunch break.

• 1:13:04Joe Rogan?

  They don't need food.

• 1:13:06Speaker 02

  Nope. They never complain?

• 1:13:07Joe Rogan?

  You're fucked no matter what, because they're gonna lay off a bunch of people. There's no if, ands, or buts about that.

• 1:13:12Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, that that that is gonna be really effective. You're talking about like how AI and robots are gonna like affect certain industries? Driving, you know, factory workers, things like that, that's all just going away.

• 1:13:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the real threat to your job, not the billionaires.

• 1:13:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:25Joe Rogan?

  The thing is, like, you see a guy, whether it's like Elon Musk or someone, like, I think Elon's supposedly worth like eight hundred billion now.

• 1:13:32Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 1:13:32Joe Rogan?

  And people just get really angry. They really get upset, like, and think about how much that would help if he gave his money away. And I get what you're saying, but the problem is, give the money away to who?

• 1:13:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:13:45Joe Rogan?

  Give the money away to the people that have fucked up the money that we've already given them? Like, you gotta be honest about, look, the idea is great. Wouldn't it be wonderful if Elon Musk just gave away a hundred billion dollars and we completely fixed all poverty?

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  Homelessness is gone.

• 1:14:00Joe Rogan?

  No more food problems, everyone, no starvation on earth.

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  The idea that throwing money at homeless people is just gonna fix the problem?

• 1:14:09Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:14:10Speaker 02

  I I mean, I'm, I believe, I I have empathy, I'm not going like, oh, fuck the homeless. I I don't have that attitude at all, but at the same time, it's like. Wherever you go there you are.

• 1:14:18Joe Rogan?

  The idea of giving the government money to fix things is insane.

• 1:14:22Speaker 02

  That's insane. That's actually, if you ever try to-

• 1:14:24Joe Rogan?

  That's why this tax thing is crazy.

• 1:14:27Speaker 02

  You, you see the inefficiency. If you just try to call to, to get some information about your taxes, if you try to call the IRS, you see the inefficiency. You're like, there's no fucking way, dude. And it's just honestly, it's designed to be that way. It's designed to be really intricate and difficult and there's a lot of people that have to get paid.

• 1:14:43Joe Rogan?

  Definitely.

• 1:14:43Speaker 02

  So it's like that. And that's why I was so excited about Elon and Trump getting together and, and doing the, um-

• 1:14:48Joe Rogan?

  Doge?

• 1:14:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, Doge. I was like, what a great idea. Two real brilliant business minds trying to figure out government efficiency and trying to save us money. I was like, they're gonna do it. And of course, nothing happened.

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• 1:17:10Joe Rogan?

  And it also opened up a lot of people's eyes to the understanding of what an NGO is and where the money goes. And when people found out how many NGOs there are and how much money gets spent, they're like, "Wait, wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Can we get an accounting of this stuff? Like, this sounds nuts. There's so much money that's being sent out to these nonprofits and these organizations." Like, did you see, hear when Spencer Pratt was on the podcast?

• 1:17:35Speaker 02

  No, I didn't.

• 1:17:36Joe Rogan?

  He's running for mayor of New York's, or, excuse me, of Los Angeles. And one of the things that he was talking about was the fire aid. Like, so the money that they generated, over $100 million was generated for the people that lost their homes in the Pacific Palisades fire. All of it went to these NGOs. Like, it went to, he said, what did he say, 20 different, how many different, 200 different? I think it was 200 different. 200 different nonprofits got the money that was supposed to go to the houses, the people that lost their house. $100 million, and they just divvied it up.

• 1:18:12Speaker 02

  And how much of that money, 20% goes to actual people? The rest is...

• 1:18:17Joe Rogan?

  They don't even know how many people are getting benefit from it.

• 1:18:20Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, if you, there's like lists of like charities and nonprofits and how, what the percentage is that actually goes to help people.

• 1:18:28Joe Rogan?

  But this one's insane. They divvied it up between 200 different nonprofits? How about give it to the people?

• 1:18:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:33Joe Rogan?

  Because the thing about these nonprofits, they rely on that kind of money in order to pay their staff. And some of these, you find out some of these people that are working for these government agencies, another thing that Spencer has uncovered, there's like a ton of them that are making more than a half a million dollars a year.

• 1:18:47Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

• 1:18:50Speaker 02

  But there's a weird thing with like the nonprofits like alright if you if you have to attract like a CEO from like a major corporation to come and make this nonprofit efficient and to really generate as much revenue as possible like if they're making more money because they have a really competent CEO and a really competent staff and only 20% of it is going to help people but it's still 200% of what the next company is doing I guess it's it's worth it right?

• 1:19:13Joe Rogan?

  Well, the thing is they're not a company. They're the government. So they're not held accountable. They're they're not supposed to be efficient. They don't they don't have to be profitable. They don't have to do like a good audit of their business. This is one of the things that Elon said. If any of these fucking companies, he's like if any one of them that like where they just sent out billions of dollars and they have no accounting and no receipts for it. He goes if you are a part of a publicly traded company, you would be tried. You would your company would lose its credit. Yeah, your your company would fall off the stock market. It would be like a bullshit company now and you would go to jail. Like you that's totally illegal. But in government, it's standard

• 1:19:54Joe Rogan?

  practice. So the the inefficiency is built in. I was reading something about California. Tell me if this is true. They were talking about California's see, put this into perplexity. California, the percentage of people that live in California went up by a small amount, but the percentage of government went up by a large amount. The percentage of people with government jobs went up considerably, whereas the population didn't go up. I don't know if this is true. This is why I want to have it looked up. But when you just stop and think about the fact that it's a business to hire people to be inefficient and that it's within your best interest to not just never be efficient and never solve the problem because if you do,

• 1:20:38Joe Rogan?

  you're out of a job, but also to make the problem bigger every year so you could hire more people and get a bigger raise and a bigger thing. And that's why this homeless thing in California, it's like more than $24 billion they spent on the homeless.

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  On what though? What are they doing?

• 1:20:53Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. Exactly. So they've tried to get audits and Newsom has vetoed the audits.

• 1:20:59Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:21:01Joe Rogan?

  Which is crazy that they could say, no, you can't find out if any fraud or any waste has happened with tax dollars. No, we're gonna stop that investigation.

• 1:21:12Speaker 02

  Well, that's crazy. Yeah, and that's, I would vote for almost anybody who, if they just said, I'm gonna cut your taxes in half, they have my vote.

• 1:21:20Joe Rogan?

  The problem is, what are you doing with the taxes? There should, if AI has a role in solving this, what AI should be able to do, it's like, we should say, yeah, you tax me a fair amount, I'm happy to pay taxes. If I'm, if it's going to public schools and public roads, I absolutely feel very happy to contribute, and I want the world to be a better place because of my tax dollars. But also, where's it going?

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's going to bomb schoolchildren overseas and to fund wars that most people don't want.

• 1:21:53Joe Rogan?

  Right, and transgender dancing in Indonesia.

• 1:21:56Speaker 02

  Is that a thing that's happening?

• 1:21:57Joe Rogan?

  Oh, there's weird shit. They spent 250 million dollars doing, uh, transsexual operations on animals? Experimenting on animals to turn them trans? No, no, no bullshit. No bullshit. 250, I think it was 251 million dollars?

• 1:22:15Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:22:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they spent 2 million dollars giving cocaine to dogs. California's population has dipped slightly since 2020, while government jobs have been one of the few areas of job growth. So yes, government employment has generally increased, even as the population growth stalled or reversed. So what is the percentage? So total job growth has slowed sharply. Statewide employment grew by only about a half of a percent in 2023, then actually fell slightly down about 11,200 jobs, or 0.1% in 2025. State overall is only a few percent in jobs compared with before the pandemic, and it lags

• 1:22:58Joe Rogan?

  the national growth rate. So how many more jobs, what's the percentage more?

• 1:23:07Speaker 02

  Is it because people are leaving California?

• 1:23:09Joe Rogan?

  So it says in 2025, private employers, there's a lot of that, cut about 31,000 jobs while government employers added about 20,200 jobs, driven mostly by a gain of 45,800 local government positions. So they added 45,000 government positions while private employers cut 31,000 jobs. So they just keep making the government bigger. So the economy fuels the government, the government controls the economy, it's all nuts.

• 1:23:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, when you say government job, that's like people, like a clerk that works in like the courthouse, that also counts, right?

• 1:23:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but they also do weird shit, like they have to have new regulations. They have to have people that make regulations now and justify their jobs, if there's a lot of government jobs. So then you get wacky rulings like California recently, they're banning blackjack in casinos. No more blackjack.

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  Why not blackjack?

• 1:24:06Joe Rogan?

  Putting a foot down. No more blackjack in River City.

• 1:24:10Speaker 02

  Why, why no blackjack? I don't understand it.

• 1:24:13Joe Rogan?

  No one understands it. It doesn't make any fucking sense. You can play poker, you can't play blackjack? How about fuck you, stay away from me?

• 1:24:20Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:21Joe Rogan?

  How about if I earn $2,000 in a week and I want to take $500 and go to the casino and try to win more or lose it? How about fuck you?

• 1:24:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, stay the fuck out of it.

• 1:24:32Joe Rogan?

  You leave me the fuck alone. You're just another human being. You should have no opinion.

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  Well, they want, the government wants to get their hands in every vice.

• 1:24:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there is your tax money from it.

• 1:24:41Speaker 02

  Because they know we can't, we can't give up our vices. We can't give up alcohol and weed and cigarettes and gambling and prostitution.

• 1:24:47Joe Rogan?

  They're not getting rid of gambling, that's the thing, they're still paying, the casinos still pay taxes.

• 1:24:52Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:24:53Joe Rogan?

  You just eliminated one of their fucking ways to make money.

• 1:24:56Speaker 02

  Is there, was there a public reason why they've said it?

• 1:24:58Joe Rogan?

  I'd like to find out.

• 1:24:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:25:00Joe Rogan?

  Let's find out, what, what's the public reason?

• 1:25:01Speaker 02

  Because blackjack's my only game.

• 1:25:02Joe Rogan?

  That's it? Do you know what you're doing or you're a wild motherfucker who hits at 17?

• 1:25:06Speaker 02

  No, no, no, no, I'm good at, I'm good at blackjack. I mean, I'm good, I'm, I know the rules of the book and I play by the rules and I sit down at the table expecting to lose everything and if I don't, I'm happy. That's it.

• 1:25:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, Jamie wants some money, Shane wants some money.

• 1:25:18Speaker 02

  Blackjack?

• 1:25:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. They were doing pretty good. Watching Dana White do it is, gives you fucking anxiety though, dude.

• 1:25:24Speaker 02

  Just like crazy bets?

• 1:25:26Joe Rogan?

  He was $600,000 down when I met him there. I was like, dude, this is crazy. And I was watching these people. That kid, Aiden Ross, you know, that streamer kid? That kid lost a million bucks. And just like, oh, he lost a million. Like, how much is he making?

• 1:25:40Speaker 02

  I take $500 out every time.

• 1:25:42Joe Rogan?

  Jimmy?

• 1:25:42Speaker 05

  It's according to this, it was banned from card rooms, not casinos. It's kind of a different thing.

• 1:25:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's right. It is a card room where they play poker. That's right. Because their casinos are different. Their casinos are only like in, uh...

• 1:25:54Speaker 05

  And that's what this whole thing is about.

• 1:25:55Joe Rogan?

  Indian places, right?

• 1:25:56Speaker 05

  It says this whole...

• 1:25:57Speaker 02

  Reservations, yeah. Same thing in Jersey, New York.

• 1:25:59Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:00Speaker 05

  The 90s.

• 1:26:01Joe Rogan?

  So that's right. But what is, wait a minute, what's the Bicycle Club Casino? Isn't that a casino?

• 1:26:06Speaker 05

  I don't know who runs it.

• 1:26:08Joe Rogan?

  But it's on, it's in California, like, it's in like Orange County. Bicycle Club Casino.

• 1:26:16Joe Rogan?

  So, uh, the reason why I know about that place is I used to go there to watch professional pool tournaments.

• 1:26:25Joe Rogan?

  And then that was the first time I realized like, oh, there's a casino in California, like right off the highway. I think it's off, what highway is that off of?

• 1:26:35Joe Rogan?

  But it's like if you're going down to like doing a gig in San Diego, you'll pass by this place if you go down one of the roads.

• 1:26:41Speaker 05

  710?

• 1:26:42Joe Rogan?

  710? Yeah, there you go. But, uh... So what is that? Do they have blackjack there? Because I know they had poker there. You know, Ari Shaffir, during his early days of comedy, would make a living going to poker tournaments?

• 1:26:58Speaker 02

  Playing?

• 1:26:58Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's how good he is at poker.

• 1:27:00Speaker 02

  Really?

• 1:27:00Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, man. He would snap off poker tournaments all the time.

• 1:27:04Speaker 02

  Some people are good. I, like, it's just a patience thing.

• 1:27:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, he just plays it like, for him, it was a job. He's like, I play it like it's a job. He's like, these people all get drunk and they all get high and they're all fucking stupid. They make dumb choices. He goes, I play smart against idiots and they get drunk and I win money.

• 1:27:20Speaker 05

  It says it's technically a poker card room. It says they have blackjack, but maybe they fell in the rules where they're not allowed to have it now too. I don't know.

• 1:27:27Joe Rogan?

  Right. Three-card poker and baccarat. We were talking about baccarat the other day because that's what Dana White's moved to because you can get more money.

• 1:27:36Speaker 02

  Is that like, uh, it's kind of like blackjack, but, no, I'm thinking of the Asian one. What's the Asian one?

• 1:27:40Joe Rogan?

  I have no idea what baccarat is.

• 1:27:41Speaker 02

  It's three cards you gotta get...

• 1:27:43Joe Rogan?

  How many cards is baccarat? I have no idea how to play it. I don't know what it is. I've just heard it before.

• 1:27:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:27:49Joe Rogan?

  I've heard that name before. I've never looked into it.

• 1:27:51Speaker 02

  Yeah. I, I mean, I look at it as like going to, uh, like, I don't like baseball, but like I go to a baseball game, eat hot dogs and drink beer. It's like the same thing as casino. Like, I'm not a big gambler. I'm like, I'm just gonna drink and I'm gonna have fun, hang out with a chick, like.

• 1:28:03Joe Rogan?

  It just seems like you can't win.

• 1:28:05Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:28:06Joe Rogan?

  And it's also, what are you doing? What are you doing? Just rolling dice every day? That's crazy. That's a, you're spiking your adrenaline every day, rolling dice for your fucking mortgage?

• 1:28:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's just a, it's just a, it's a game with stakes. We.

• 1:28:18Joe Rogan?

  Baccarat is a comparing card game played between two hands, the player and the banker. Each baccarat coup, uh, round of play has three possible outcomes. Player, player has the higher score, banker and tie.

• 1:28:34Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:28:36Speaker 05

  It's a one quick bet and you can bet up to 500K per hand, I think. And then you can also tie, so you don't lose. It's not a guarantee win or lose.

• 1:28:44Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 1:28:45Speaker 05

  Big swings, big swings, big fast swings.

• 1:28:49Joe Rogan?

  Have you played it?

• 1:28:50Speaker 05

  No, but I watched people play these games and.

• 1:28:53Joe Rogan?

  Look, I admire their balls.

• 1:28:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:55Joe Rogan?

  Especially poker players. Like, you gotta be a smart motherfucker to, to win those big world series of poker things and make a bunch of money playing poker.

• 1:29:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. That was, uh, one of my favorite scenes from Rounders where they, they talk about how, uh, I always use that like analogy in life. Where they talk about, um, people like, oh, they think it's luck. They think that, you know, it's the luck of the, the draw. And it's like, well, if it was luck, why is it the same eight guys at the final table of the world series of poker every single year?

• 1:29:24Joe Rogan?

  Exactly.

• 1:29:24Speaker 02

  It's like, you're not playing the cards, you're playing the game, you're playing each other. I kinda like look at that, like in life. And I'm like, it's like the cards don't really matter as much as how you play them, you know?

• 1:29:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's a complicated game. It's, and, but why is that okay, but blackjack isn't? Like, who fucking says? Like, says who? Says who? Why?

• 1:29:44Joe Rogan?

  Why? You know what I mean? Why? Why more regulations? I'll tell you why. Cause they have to justify all these fucking extra jobs.

• 1:29:51Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:29:52Joe Rogan?

  That's a lot of where regulations come from and it's also there, it's fun. You could tell people what to do. No more flavored zins.

• 1:29:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's like all these like, just like weird things that don't like, there's like weird laws. I live in Burton County, New Jersey and it's like, um, they have blue laws still. I don't know if you know what that is.

• 1:30:07Joe Rogan?

  Those are the best. Sunday.

• 1:30:08Speaker 02

  Sunday, no, like no, you can't buy clothes. You can't buy like furniture.

• 1:30:14Joe Rogan?

  You can't buy clothes?

• 1:30:14Speaker 02

  Can't buy clothes on Sundays.

• 1:30:16Joe Rogan?

  What if you shit your pants?

• 1:30:18Speaker 02

  Walmart.

• 1:30:18Joe Rogan?

  What if you shit your pants and you nude in town?

• 1:30:20Speaker 02

  You're fucked.

• 1:30:22Speaker 02

  You gotta walk around smelling like shit.

• 1:30:25Speaker 02

  But Walmart in, uh, New Jersey, they rope off the clothing section. They have it set up to where like you literally can't go past it. You still buy food, but you can't go to the clothing section.

• 1:30:34Joe Rogan?

  When I was a kid, um, there was no alcohol for sale in Sundays on, in, uh, Massachusetts.

• 1:30:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:41Joe Rogan?

  And so we had to go to New Hampshire to get beer. So we would make a, what we call a paki run. Because they would call them package stores. And you know, with that Boston accent, mush, you wanna go to the paki?

• 1:30:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:52Joe Rogan?

  And we, we'd have to drive.

• 1:30:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:54Joe Rogan?

  Now, everybody was mush. There was a, there was a time, there was, this was a Newton North thing. And people from Massachusetts, and I think maybe people still use this, but they would call, instead of dude, it would be mush.

• 1:31:05Speaker 02

  Mush.

• 1:31:05Joe Rogan?

  Everybody was mush. Mush. We going? Mush. We going out? Like, girls would say it to you. Mush, you taking me out? It was weird. And it's only this one part of the city had mush. Like, my part didn't have mush. But a few people tried it out. It started catching on. It was my part of the city, but in Newton North, I was in Newton South. Newton North, everybody was mush. It was like everybody's nickname. It was weird. Like a, a virus of like, language went through the entire city.

• 1:31:31Speaker 02

  Dude, thick, thick accents from like certain American cities on women are just so unattractive.

• 1:31:36Joe Rogan?

  That's a rough one. Boston, you gotta be really hot to like bypass that accent.

• 1:31:40Speaker 02

  Philly. You meet a girl from Philly.

• 1:31:42Joe Rogan?

  It's a rough one. Hard girls, but probably a lot of fun.

• 1:31:44Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:31:45Joe Rogan?

  So we would, we'd have to drive to New Hampshire. So we'd take, we'd have to drive an hour and a half to go get booze.

• 1:31:49Speaker 02

  Yeah. No, that, that exists in certain places still. In New Jersey, it's like you can't. Yeah, it's gotta be a liquor store specifically. You can't buy beer in a supermarket. I grew up in, in the suburbs of New York, so you could buy beer in the supermarket. They made it where you couldn't buy wine for a while, then for a couple of years you could buy wine. It's all these dumb fucking laws and rules.

• 1:32:06Joe Rogan?

  They're all Chick-fil-A laws.

• 1:32:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah.

• 1:32:10Joe Rogan?

  Chick-fil-A is so silly. They take Sundays off for the Lord. Like, bro, you're grinding chickens up with titanium and aluminum in it. Like, what the fuck are you talking about?

• 1:32:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's good. It's fucking delicious.

• 1:32:24Joe Rogan?

  Goddamn, it's delicious.

• 1:32:25Speaker 02

  If you make a deli- if you just make a delicious sandwich, I don't care what your beliefs are.

• 1:32:29Joe Rogan?

  It's so delicious that even gay people eat there. Think of that.

• 1:32:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:32Joe Rogan?

  All the shit that guy's talked about the gays, the gay people are like, put it aside and have some chicken. Whatever. The chicken's so good. He's just a bitch. But they got, what is that weird ingredient that we found out was in the, uh, the bread? It was something kooky, right?

• 1:32:48Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's aluminum something or other, but it's in a lot of things.

• 1:32:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:32:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it's in there.

• 1:32:54Speaker 02

  It's in there.

• 1:32:55Speaker 05

  I've seen something about the blue law- you can't buy a car on Sunday in Texas?

• 1:32:59Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 1:33:00Speaker 02

  That's wild. Yeah, it's just so weird.

• 1:33:01Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that makes sense. That makes sense.

• 1:33:03Speaker 02

  As funny as the- so there's a mall in New Jersey, the mall, not Mall of America, uh, buh buh buh buh buh, American Dream Mall. Huge, huge, huge mall. Like, one of these, like, super malls, right? Like, you know, fucking, there's a water park inside. There's this, there's a-

• 1:33:15Joe Rogan?

  A water park?

• 1:33:16Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, there's a ski, um, you can learn skiing. It's like a, a fake ski hill.

• 1:33:21Joe Rogan?

  Like a fake snow hill?

• 1:33:22Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:33:22Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 1:33:23Speaker 02

  You're around, you can take skiing and snowboard lessons.

• 1:33:25Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that would help so much.

• 1:33:26Speaker 02

  It's so cool, dude. It's, it's really cool. They got, like, you know, a bunch of escape rooms. It's just a ma- massive, massive mall. Yeah, it is.

• 1:33:32Joe Rogan?

  That's nuts.

• 1:33:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, inside, dude. They got a water park, they got a Nickelodeon Studios. There's like a theme park inside of the mall. It's a crazy mall. And they just said, fuck it, we're opening Sundays. There's a big sign right on the side. It's like, we're open Sundays, we don't care. And Paramus, uh, is suing them. Paramus is one of the biggest shopping cities in the country, I believe.

• 1:33:50Joe Rogan?

  Imagine the government is saying you can't do business with a bunch of people that wanna come to your business.

• 1:33:55Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 1:33:55Joe Rogan?

  Because it's a different day.

• 1:33:57Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:33:58Joe Rogan?

  Fuck you.

• 1:33:59Speaker 02

  What's funny is, it's not the government. I looked into this because I was going like, what the fuck's going on here? The people, all these old fucking people that have been living in this community forever, they, it goes to a vote, and every year they go, no, no, no, we don't want traffic. We want Sundays in Bergen County to be fucking relaxing and nice and beautiful, because there's no taxes, I think, but I believe to this day, on clothing, there's no taxes in Jersey. So, we would do our school shopping in Jersey when I was growing up. We would just drive thirty minutes to Bergen County and go to the mall.

• 1:34:27Joe Rogan?

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:34:29Speaker 02

  You save money on taxes. Um, so, yeah, but, uh, yeah, that mall was just like, fuck it. And then a huge sign, I'm talking about like, the mall's so big, the sign, I don't even know, like, I don't even know how you would make a sign this fucking big, but it's just draped down the sign, world, down the side, we're open on Sundays. They didn't give a fuck.

• 1:34:46Joe Rogan?

  So are they getting sued now?

• 1:34:48Speaker 02

  They're getting sued by Paramus.

• 1:34:49Joe Rogan?

  I bet they're gonna win. Because it doesn't make sense. That law's stupid. Do you need business? Yes. Is the economy down? Yes. Wouldn't it be better if people had the option to be able to go to the fucking mall on Sunday? Especially somebody who works every fucking day?

• 1:35:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:03Joe Rogan?

  Maybe they have to work Saturday as well, and Sunday's their only day off? How about let them go there to buy some pants?

• 1:35:08Speaker 02

  Yup.

• 1:35:08Joe Rogan?

  You fucking control freak.

• 1:35:11Speaker 02

  Let them buy a fucking hat. What's wrong with you?

• 1:35:14Joe Rogan?

  Fucking idiot. We're the government. We got guns. You can't shop here. Fuck you, man. That's the problem, is the problem is these fucking dipshits just keep adding more and more regulations.

• 1:35:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:35:26Joe Rogan?

  It's dumb. What else can't you do in Texas on Sunday?

• 1:35:31Joe Rogan?

  What was that one that was dumb that you just said?

• 1:35:33Speaker 02

  Can't buy a car.

• 1:35:34Joe Rogan?

  Can't buy a car.

• 1:35:34Speaker 05

  The thing was, you couldn't buy, you couldn't sell things on consecutive weekend days, so everybody just sort of picked Saturday, it says.

• 1:35:41Joe Rogan?

  Huh. That's ridiculous.

• 1:35:43Speaker 05

  You can't buy liquor on Sundays here.

• 1:35:44Speaker 02

  Still in Texas?

• 1:35:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:35:46Joe Rogan?

  Ah!

• 1:35:47Speaker 05

  Can in a restaurant, but not at a store.

• 1:35:50Joe Rogan?

  So at the supermarket, what do they do? They say, "We can't sell you that because it's Sunday."

• 1:35:54Speaker 05

  You can purchase beer and wine.

• 1:35:56Joe Rogan?

  It's a large day. We can't sell. We could sell you beer. You could drink yourself to death on some hooch. They give you some wine.

• 1:36:02Speaker 02

  Like you go to one city, it's like, like, it's so strict. And you go to like New Orleans and like, they're like, they just have like people will hand you a beer out a window. You just walk down the street. You're partying in the streets like.

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• 1:38:03Speaker 02

  Such a weird like differentiation between like each jurisdiction.

• 1:38:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we were doing a gig down there and the guy uh who was a driver. He was telling me about how uh he went somewhere else and the cops pulled him over because he had an open drink and he was walking on the street. And the and the guy goes, where are you from? And he goes, New Orleans. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't do that anywhere else. That thing that you do there.

• 1:38:27Speaker 02

  Vegas, you can do it in Vegas.

• 1:38:28Joe Rogan?

  Can you? You walk down the street with a beer?

• 1:38:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:38:30Joe Rogan?

  Okay, that's good. I think you could do it on Sixth Street in Austin.

• 1:38:34Speaker 02

  Can you?

• 1:38:34Joe Rogan?

  I think, no.

• 1:38:35Speaker 05

  You can.

• 1:38:37Speaker 02

  I think people do it.

• 1:38:37Joe Rogan?

  People definitely do it. They definitely do it, I've seen them.

• 1:38:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, I don't think you're allowed to.

• 1:38:41Joe Rogan?

  Well, is there any enforcement of that law?

• 1:38:43Speaker 05

  That's probably not the main thing they're worried about, I don't think, most days.

• 1:38:47Joe Rogan?

  Boy, a lot of sloppy fights on Sixth Street.

• 1:38:49Speaker 02

  There's a, there's entire YouTube and Instagram pages dedicated to Sixth Street fights. Just brutal. I saw, I saw one, I don't know if it was Sixth Street, but I saw one where there's a dude who obviously had like wrestling experience. I mean, dude, he suplexed this dude, he paralyzed the guy.

• 1:39:03Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 1:39:05Speaker 02

  He suplexed a guy.

• 1:39:06Joe Rogan?

  On the concrete?

• 1:39:08Speaker 02

  Completely laid out, completely.

• 1:39:09Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:39:10Speaker 02

  And it's like, god damn dude, just like that, two lives over. Right, this guy, he's now in a wheelchair for the rest of his life, this guy is going to fucking jail. That's that.

• 1:39:19Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 1:39:19Speaker 02

  Over not being able to control your emotions.

• 1:39:21Speaker 05

  Yeah, no, you're not allowed to do that in Austin. Only on like certain events when it's like a festival or something.

• 1:39:27Joe Rogan?

  God, booze is so bad for people.

• 1:39:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:39:29Joe Rogan?

  Booze and being a young man and being foolish.

• 1:39:33Speaker 02

  Ego.

• 1:39:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, ego.

• 1:39:35Speaker 02

  Just the need to prove yourself.

• 1:39:36Joe Rogan?

  Also, like, you're a wrestler, you really know how to wrestle, you're gonna pile drive this dude into the concrete?

• 1:39:41Speaker 02

  It's weird, because it's usually, it's guys that don't know how to fight that are doing stupid, you guys don't know how to fight typically.

• 1:39:46Joe Rogan?

  The other guy had it coming, I don't know what happened. But uh, no one has that coming. But I mean, maybe he started the fight, I don't, you know, I shouldn't have said that in kind of a, had it coming, but having a, any kind of a altercation on the concrete is so fucking dangerous.

• 1:40:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:03Joe Rogan?

  Dudes die all the time when they get KO'd. And most guys that especially if guys sucker punch guys and they just fall back and the whole weight of their body bangs off the back of their head, it is so devastating. You might as well hit them with a fucking giant metal crowbar. You might as well.

• 1:40:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:40:21Joe Rogan?

  It's worse than getting hit with a baseball bat probably. That fall is so scary and I've seen it so many times, man, on online.

• 1:40:29Speaker 02

  Yeah, just six feet straight back, your head just cracks on the concrete.

• 1:40:33Joe Rogan?

  And it's all that leverage from all of your weight, it's like a whip on the back of your head. Your head's cracked wide open, man.

• 1:40:40Speaker 02

  There's like a guy who just got in trouble for like just pushing, some dude's having a bad day. Just pushed this old guy to the ground.

• 1:40:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God.

• 1:40:47Speaker 02

  Guy cracked his head on the floor, died. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:40:50Joe Rogan?

  I saw that.

• 1:40:50Speaker 02

  And the guy was like, that was his argument or his defense was like, I was having a really bad day.

• 1:40:55Joe Rogan?

  Oh, Jesus Christ.

• 1:40:56Speaker 02

  Fucking nuts, dude. People are insane.

• 1:40:57Joe Rogan?

  I know. How about the people that push people in front of subways? How fucking psycho is that?

• 1:41:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:02Joe Rogan?

  Those people wait, they wait for a subway to come in and they want to push somebody in front of it just to watch. And then you have to like stand around hoping that one of those people isn't here while you're ready to get on your train.

• 1:41:13Speaker 02

  Dude, yeah. In a place like New York or, you know, you know, really urban sort of environment where there's fucking lots of crazies walking around.

• 1:41:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:22Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, you gotta really just keep your eyes open, man.

• 1:41:24Joe Rogan?

  Dude, you gotta be ready to sprawl.

• 1:41:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, don't fall asleep, you might get lit on fire. That happens. That's happening all the time. That happened, I guess it is just the trends, but it happened like three or four times over the course of a year. Where it's like homeless people lighting other homeless people on fire.

• 1:41:39Joe Rogan?

  The crazy thing is like homelessness and crime are New York City's two number one problems that keep you unsafe. Those are the two that keep you unsafe.

• 1:41:48Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 1:41:48Joe Rogan?

  Not a mention. Not a mention. It's like, we need more tax money.

• 1:41:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:41:54Joe Rogan?

  You should, don't, it's so, say you're gonna use that to open up grocery stores. There's grocery stores already here, motherfucker. What you need to do is stop all these crazy motherfuckers lighting people on fire, pushing people in front of trains, like, clean it up.

• 1:42:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:09Joe Rogan?

  And then the world would be perfect.

• 1:42:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, most of the time you hear about those people, like they, uh, they're like, they've been arrested 93 times for violent crimes.

• 1:42:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but the 92 times, you know, the, the last one was a mistake.

• 1:42:21Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's pretty fucking goofy that.

• 1:42:24Speaker 02

  Can I say a little bit of that?

• 1:42:26Joe Rogan?

  People are, people have that many arrests and they just let them right back up. Cheers, sir.

• 1:42:32Speaker 02

  Cheers, my friend.

• 1:42:33Joe Rogan?

  Hey.

• 1:42:33Speaker 02

  There you are.

• 1:42:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's crazy. It's like, you know, you want to be nice. You want to be kind. You want to give people the benefit of the doubt. You want to give people a second chance. You don't want to put people in jail. The prison system is horrible. But also, when somebody gets arrested 93 times, take a hint.

• 1:42:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:42:53Joe Rogan?

  Okay, there's bad apples.

• 1:42:54Speaker 02

  But then like somebody will like, you know, for tax evasion, they'll get 30 years in prison or something like that. Like they, it's such a weird, bizarre system that we have.

• 1:43:03Joe Rogan?

  Right. You get released 93 times for stabbing people.

• 1:43:07Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's like, ah, you know.

• 1:43:09Joe Rogan?

  But if you insider trade, lock that motherfucker up.

• 1:43:13Speaker 02

  That's it, dude.

• 1:43:14Joe Rogan?

  I know.

• 1:43:14Speaker 02

  There's nothing worse that you can do is not give the government their fucking money.

• 1:43:18Joe Rogan?

  Ooh, they get real testy.

• 1:43:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:20Joe Rogan?

  They don't like it. They don't like it. They need their cut. But it's also, it's like, there's too much. There's too much government. And that's like the standard Republican thing to say, but just clearly it's true. Clearly it's true just by the market. If you see the California lost jobs and then gained government jobs, it's like, at what point in time do you get cynical and start saying, maybe they're adding government jobs to make it look like jobs went up?

• 1:43:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 1:43:45Joe Rogan?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 1:43:46Speaker 02

  It's weird that it's like a-

• 1:43:46Joe Rogan?

  Because that's when they say job market increased, job growth by 15%, like, oh, wow, he's doing a great job. Jobs went up a 15%. And then you find out, oh, they're all invented jobs.

• 1:43:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:57Joe Rogan?

  Government just invented a bunch of fake jobs that they didn't need.

• 1:44:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, when you hear that, it's like a, a tenet of like the Republicans now to be like smaller government. It's, it's like it's, it flip flopped.

• 1:44:08Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:08Speaker 02

  It's like-

• 1:44:09Joe Rogan?

  It's bananas.

• 1:44:09Speaker 02

  It's like people on the left, they're like so pro-government. They're like, we just need more, we need more regulation, more government.

• 1:44:15Joe Rogan?

  When did that happen?

• 1:44:15Speaker 02

  It's a, it's a crazy thing. I just grew up as like a liberal in the 90s where it's like-

• 1:44:20Joe Rogan?

  Don't trust the government.

• 1:44:21Speaker 02

  Don't trust the government, yeah.

• 1:44:22Joe Rogan?

  Always.

• 1:44:23Speaker 02

  Wars are bad. Don't trust the government. These were simple, basic things that you're just growing up believing. And, uh, yeah, it-

• 1:44:29Joe Rogan?

  Now it's we need more government. We need to take taxes away from people. It's all, that's the thing about having-

• 1:44:35Speaker 02

  We wanna pay more, we wanna pay more taxes. That's insane.

• 1:44:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, they don't wanna pay more taxes. They want billionaires to pay more taxes. But that's the thing, there's, how many billionaires were there when we were kids? Fucking none.

• 1:44:46Speaker 02

  Three.

• 1:44:47Joe Rogan?

  You didn't hear about it?

• 1:44:47Speaker 02

  Rockefeller.

• 1:44:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah, you'd hear about-

• 1:44:49Speaker 02

  That was the only, that was the only name you'd hear.

• 1:44:51Joe Rogan?

  A couple of names that you would hear, but it wouldn't be like really, like a common term.

• 1:44:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:56Joe Rogan?

  You know? There wasn't that many to talk about. Like, I remember, there were some Bill Gates-Microsoft thing back in the day. And I remember they had like, his net worth was like fifty million dollars. And I was like, Jesus, why is he still working? You know what I mean? Meanwhile, it's worth hundreds of billions now.

• 1:45:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:45:14Joe Rogan?

  Like, that wasn't a normal thing when we were kids. Like, wha- let's Google this. What, how many? Oh, you got, okay, here we go.

• 1:45:23Speaker 02

  Eighty-two, the year I was born, thirteen billionaires. That's crazy.

• 1:45:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's nuts. So, in nineteen eighty-two, thirteen billionaires. In twenty twenty-six, nine hundred and eighty-nine billionaires.

• 1:45:36Speaker 02

  Wow. I mean, inflation counts for something as well.

• 1:45:41Joe Rogan?

  No. That's nuts, dude. That's nuts. Nine hundred and eighty-nine is nuts. That's so much more. Bro, that's lit- let me see that again. That is so crazy.

• 1:45:57Joe Rogan?

  Thirteen to nine hundred and eighty-nine is nuts.

• 1:46:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:46:03Joe Rogan?

  So, tha- that's the problem. It's not that billionaires are a problem. The problem is that there's so many of them. And the problem is it's become like a class. And you look at this class of people that have achieved this insane amount of wealth, and you're like, "You should give me some of that."

• 1:46:17Speaker 02

  But when I hear about billionaires, I'm going like, "How do I do that?" Like, I'm just going like, and obviously, I don't think I'll ever become a billionaire. That's a crazy, crazy number, right? I'll probably say, I likely won't. But, like, when I hear that, when you hear about Bezos, or Steve Jobs, or any of these people, like, I get inspired. I hear their stories, and I'm like, "That's fucking so cool. They took an idea, and they turned it into a billion fucking dollars?"

• 1:46:39Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:46:39Speaker 02

  That's magic. You say word- Into the air and then it becomes that like that's a that's a crazy thing like I'm an old school sales guy so I always think of like I'm very impressed with like you know just overall just like sales structure and business and the way it's built out and it's like it's the closest thing in the world to magic right it's like when you're in sales you say a bunch of words bippity boppity boo and then money appears in your bank account right it's like that's it comedy too comedy's like magic I was like you you figure out where to pause what to say how to say it what you do and then all of a sudden you have fans and you're touring you have some cash and you have a car it's like I'm just saying things I'm not picking anything up I'm not like

• 1:47:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the thing about businesses though what you're saying about the sales thing is like the sales is the voodoo in order to like close a deal The thing that people have a problem with is that like when they when someone is at a very high level of this company like say if you work for a giant corporation and the CEO is making you know what's like the most amount of seat what's the highest paid CEOs national salary annual salary Let's take a guess

• 1:47:41Speaker 02

  Is it is it Elon

• 1:47:43Joe Rogan?

  No like a like their annual salary someone's just a CEO of a company those guys are like founders right it's also there's another another level to that right like he's the CEO SpaceX but he's also the founder of SpaceX or one of them

• 1:47:58Joe Rogan?

  It's like

• 1:48:01Joe Rogan?

  What is um So let's say let's just pick a company let's say CEO of Walmart Walmart's a huge company How much does that guy get a year Let's take a guess

• 1:48:13Speaker 02

  Walmart

• 1:48:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah

• 1:48:14Speaker 02

  Six million

• 1:48:15Joe Rogan?

  Damn I bet you're right That sounds about right six seven I'm guessing Two maybe two Thinking I'm going low you're going low

• 1:48:26Speaker 02

  You're going low

• 1:48:27Speaker 05

  Well you should break it down a little more than that

• 1:48:30Speaker 02

  And it's also another salary they get like shares

• 1:48:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, there's base salary there's incentives and then there's

• 1:48:35Speaker 02

  Bonuses

• 1:48:36Joe Rogan?

  Okay, so it's just what how much did the CEO of Walmart make in 2025

• 1:48:42Speaker 05

  Total compensation 27.5 million

• 1:48:46Speaker 05

  Base salary was 1.5 million.

• 1:48:50Speaker 02

  So you were close to the base salary.

• 1:48:52Joe Rogan?

  And so their incentives is just to make the most amount of money possible. And if you could keep that bitch running nice and smooth and cut waste and fire people and use AI, you can keep jacking up that rate.

• 1:49:02Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 1:49:03Joe Rogan?

  That's where people have a problem with it is like you're a part of the team, right? You're a part of the Walmart team, but yet you're fucking dispensable. But yet you're not, because if you didn't exist, they wouldn't be able to sell anything. Cause you're the people work at the cash register, you're the people stocking the shelves. You're the people that are working in the delivery department, bringing in the stuff, putting it away.

• 1:49:23Speaker 02

  I agree.

• 1:49:23Joe Rogan?

  Without those people, you literally have no business.

• 1:49:26Speaker 02

  The problem is that those people, I mean, in the most literal sense of the term, they're dispensable. There's another person that will step in and do that job and Bezos is not. There's one Jeff Bezos, there's one Elon Musk, there's one Steve Jobs. And by the way, you are sitting at a cash register, you can also go down that path and risk it all and put everything into something, right? That's, I hear those stories, I don't, I mean, I just, I, once again, I grew up so poor. I grew up like, you know, my first job, I worked at, my first job was at 11, I was very young. But like my first like real job, I was 16, I was working at KFC for 525 an hour. And, you know, I could have just chosen that to be my life for the rest of my life. Or I could have said, all right, well, look, this is like my first job. I'm learning how to put a little money in the bank and want to buy a car. And then it's the next thing and the next thing and the next thing.

• 1:50:11Joe Rogan?

  We're talking about different things. So first of all, for entry level jobs, yes. Like entry level jobs that people get in high school and maybe even in college, just making a little money on the side while you're doing something else. But full-time jobs, if you're a full-time employee at somewhere like Walmart and you're barely getting by and the top dog is making 27 million, that's kind of crazy. And are you replaceable? Yeah, yeah, you're replaceable. But aren't you also valuable? Oh, look at the top guys.

• 1:50:38Speaker 02

  Top guy.

• 1:50:39Joe Rogan?

  Jeez.

• 1:50:39Speaker 05

  Have you ever even heard of these two companies?

• 1:50:41Joe Rogan?

  Patrick Smith from Axon made 164 million.

• 1:50:47Speaker 05

  They make police body cameras and

• 1:50:51Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ, so they get government contracts.

• 1:50:55Speaker 05

  And then this company.

• 1:50:56Joe Rogan?

  So the top CEO who makes police body cameras, a company that makes police body cameras, he got a hundred and sixty-four million dollars.

• 1:51:08Speaker 02

  God bless him.

• 1:51:09Joe Rogan?

  Good for him. It's a lot of money.

• 1:51:10Speaker 05

  Four hundred and ten thousand percent increase in pay, it says.

• 1:51:14Joe Rogan?

  Whoopsies. Just got an extra little bump. Got a little bump. I wonder what kind of raise you get, which is crazy.

• 1:51:20Speaker 02

  That's where all that tax money went.

• 1:51:22Joe Rogan?

  It's where it all, a lot of it does go in that direction. But if you're working for that company making police body cameras and you're making twenty bucks an hour, you gotta get pissed.

• 1:51:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:32Joe Rogan?

  You're like, what the fuck, man? This is crazy. Like, I'm not saying that the guy who makes the body cameras make the same amount as the CEO. I'm not. But I am saying it should probably be a little

• 1:51:44Speaker 02

  They could pay him twenty-two an hour.

• 1:51:46Joe Rogan?

  A little better.

• 1:51:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:51:46Joe Rogan?

  A little better. Like, if you're making that much money, why wouldn't you pay a little bit more?

• 1:51:53Speaker 02

  Well, a lot, great companies do, for the most part, right? Really good companies take care of their employees.

• 1:51:57Joe Rogan?

  What's a great example of a company that really takes care of their employees?

• 1:52:00Speaker 02

  Gas Digital.

• 1:52:01Joe Rogan?

  Gas Digital? Good. Okay, but what about other, a real company?

• 1:52:05Speaker 02

  All of my producers are going like, fuck you!

• 1:52:10Speaker 02

  Every one of them.

• 1:52:11Joe Rogan?

  But I mean, like, a big-ass company where they're making billions of dollars. What's like the one where people are like, damn, if you work for them, you get taken care of? There should be something like that.

• 1:52:20Speaker 02

  Starbucks is a company that apparently takes care of their employees. I know they pay for college, they do things like that.

• 1:52:25Joe Rogan?

  Here's the problem. The problem is they're publicly traded. And when they're publicly traded, if you're a CEO, you literally have an obligation to your shareholders to make the most money possible.

• 1:52:33Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:52:34Joe Rogan?

  You know? And so that doesn't mean give everybody a big fat raise. Because payroll is a big part of your expenses. And if you have thousands of employees and you just jack them all up to a higher wage, you're losing your hemorrhaging money.

• 1:52:47Speaker 02

  I mean, it's also like if you just pay your employees a little bit better, just a very simple concept, they're gonna wanna be at work, they're gonna be happy to be there, they're gonna be excited to be there, your company will thrive. The amount of people that just show up at work, and they maybe work an hour a day, two hours a day, and the rest of the time is just kinda bullshitting on the internet, you don't really want that culture.

• 1:53:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:53:06Speaker 02

  And that's kinda what you get when you're underplaying, underpaying people.

• 1:53:09Joe Rogan?

  100%. That's why In-N-Out is always so good.

• 1:53:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:53:11Joe Rogan?

  If you go to In-N-Out Burger in California.

• 1:53:13Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 1:53:13Joe Rogan?

  They're always like the friendliest staff, and because people get paid more there.

• 1:53:17Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:53:17Joe Rogan?

  It's a hard, it's like a tricky job to get in that regard. Like, if you had a choice between like McDonald's, Jack in the Box, In-N-Out, everybody wants In-N-Out.

• 1:53:25Speaker 02

  Of course. It's also better. It's just much better.

• 1:53:27Joe Rogan?

  Tastes better, smells better.

• 1:53:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, that's, like, California, anywhere, New York is, they're just so mean. You go to a burger spot, it's like, what?

• 1:53:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:36Speaker 02

  Do you have, have you, I don't know how often you go to like a 7-Eleven or one of these types of places, it's a new thing that they're doing, if you buy things, they don't bag it for you anymore.

• 1:53:44Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:53:46Speaker 02

  They put the bag on the counter and stare at you.

• 1:53:48Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 1:53:49Speaker 02

  I have to bag my own, I swear to God.

• 1:53:50Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 1:53:50Speaker 02

  I swear to God, dude.

• 1:53:51Joe Rogan?

  What kinda attitude is that?

• 1:53:53Speaker 02

  It's crazy. I don't know if it's everywhere, but in New York, New Jersey, they go, first of all, they don't even give you a bag, they just put the stuff on the counter, and they go, "All right, thank you." And you're like, "Can I have a bag?" They're like, "That'll be another 80 cents."

• 1:54:03Joe Rogan?

  80 cents for a bag, for real?

• 1:54:05Speaker 02

  You gotta pay for a bag, and then they hand you the bag, you have to bag it yourself like a cuck.

• 1:54:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, I know a lot of people that bring those fucking hemp bags, and look like weird greenies.

• 1:54:12Speaker 02

  I have a, I have 300 hemp bags sitting at home.

• 1:54:15Joe Rogan?

  My own homemade bag.

• 1:54:16Speaker 02

  Do they do that in Texas? Do they, do they give you like paper bags here, or what do they do? Cause in Jersey.

• 1:54:20Joe Rogan?

  Paper or plastic.

• 1:54:21Speaker 02

  Jersey, we don't have that. We have no bags.

• 1:54:23Joe Rogan?

  That's LOL.

• 1:54:24Speaker 02

  For the, in Jersey, you have to buy, you have to bring your own, like, uh, cloth bags, where you can buy them for like a dollar fifty a bag at the supermarket, and I never bring my bags. I always forget them, so every time.

• 1:54:37Joe Rogan?

  So you keep having new bags?

• 1:54:38Speaker 02

  I got 300, I pick up my dog shit, I pick up my dog shit with fucking cloth bags from ShopRiteNow.

• 1:54:44Joe Rogan?

  So they cost a dollar fifty?

• 1:54:46Speaker 02

  Something like that, yeah. It's crazy.

• 1:54:48Joe Rogan?

  What a scam.

• 1:54:48Speaker 02

  But the idea is, you know, it's the most, I think, responsible people or people that are conscious about money. I'm just irresponsible with spending. They probably do bring their own bags. Or a lot of them do.

• 1:54:58Joe Rogan?

  I guess. What if you just moved there and you're like, oh, my God, what kind of retarded state did I move to?

• 1:55:02Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:55:03Joe Rogan?

  They don't sell bags. You have to buy a bag. They don't give you a bag.

• 1:55:06Speaker 02

  With the pla- I guess they're, you know, I'm sure there's been plenty of studies on like, how much are, you know, how much are they saving the environment by not allowing plastic bags or straws or any of that stuff?

• 1:55:14Joe Rogan?

  I don't think they're-

• 1:55:15Speaker 02

  None of it?

• 1:55:15Joe Rogan?

  Not a fucking dent, especially straws. Straws are worse for you. Those new straws, like if you get a straw that's a paper straw, do you know that's not just paper? Cause it can't be. There's a whole coating inside of that.

• 1:55:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:55:29Joe Rogan?

  That keeps it from getting wet, like the paper from dissolving in your hand.

• 1:55:33Speaker 02

  I think my girlfriend has that coating inside of her too.

• 1:55:34Joe Rogan?

  Ah, boom, boom, tch. That coating is all forever chemicals. It's fucking terrible for you. That's the only way it works.

• 1:55:41Speaker 02

  There's some natural ones, right? Where it's like made of like fucking bugs or something. Have you ever seen them? They're like, it's like brown and they're kind of like-

• 1:55:48Joe Rogan?

  They're made of bugs?

• 1:55:49Speaker 02

  I don't know if it's made of bugs. Probably not. But it's some natural, organic material.

• 1:55:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, they can make plastic out of plants. Okay? This has been known forever. Plastic is not, it's not isolated to petrochemical products. You can make plastic out of fiber from plants. They've done it forever.

• 1:56:08Speaker 02

  How much more expensive is it though?

• 1:56:10Joe Rogan?

  It's probably more expensive. Probably more expensive to do, probably more difficult to do. You probably have to change all the equipment that they use to make these stupid fucking straws. The plastic ones they have now, but if you did it, then you wouldn't have to worry about it anymore.

• 1:56:23Speaker 02

  Well, the cert- I'm sure here, you go, anything goes here. You guys fucking, you guys give away 10 straws per drink.

• 1:56:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but here's a weird one, man. Bottle caps are way worse than straws. We just saw that one straw in that turtle's nose and we all got sad. That's what it is. The way they pull it out with the pliers. It was so horrible.

• 1:56:41Speaker 02

  It was wincing?

• 1:56:42Joe Rogan?

  Screw- ah! Poor little turtle. But you know any birds die?

• 1:56:47Speaker 02

  That's what'll snap your fucking finger off, by the way.

• 1:56:48Joe Rogan?

  You know any birds die because of bottle caps, man?

• 1:56:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:56:50Joe Rogan?

  Like, they find these bird skeletons, and they're like, on the ground, dead.

• 1:56:55Speaker 02

  Are they eating and choking on them?

• 1:56:56Joe Rogan?

  And they have bottle caps inside of them. You ever seen that?

• 1:56:59Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:56:59Joe Rogan?

  See if you can find some of those photos of birds with bottle caps, undigested bottle caps inside of them. They don't know what it is.

• 1:57:05Speaker 02

  Nobody has ever said that sentence in the world.

• 1:57:08Joe Rogan?

  I bet they have. But, the, bottle caps are fucking horrible. They're horrible, and no one's even touched those because we didn't see the video.

• 1:57:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:57:15Joe Rogan?

  We didn't see the video of the s- the fucking poor turtle.

• 1:57:18Speaker 02

  Show them now, show them these poor birds, Joe.

• 1:57:20Joe Rogan?

  Maybe we can make bottle caps illegal too, and make it more annoying for everybody. Look at this one, look at that.

• 1:57:25Speaker 02

  Paper bottle caps, a lighter too?

• 1:57:26Joe Rogan?

  A do- the, was that a seagull?

• 1:57:28Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 1:57:29Joe Rogan?

  Looks like a seagull, it's got a lighter inside.

• 1:57:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, but that's honestly, that's a dumb animal.

• 1:57:31Joe Rogan?

  Somebody better put that lighter in there for the picture too.

• 1:57:34Speaker 05

  I'm a mo- I don't wanna.

• 1:57:35Joe Rogan?

  You think so?

• 1:57:36Speaker 05

  I'd get too cynical about it, but yeah.

• 1:57:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, well, probably good.

• 1:57:39Speaker 05

  All the photos look kinda similar.

• 1:57:41Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, like.

• 1:57:43Speaker 05

  Like, that looks not real.

• 1:57:44Joe Rogan?

  It's also like, the way it's all colored is a little.

• 1:57:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's weird.

• 1:57:48Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like, it, the, the multicolored plastic, like, most plastic, is it multicolored? Doesn't it kinda look gray and shitty after a while?

• 1:57:57Speaker 02

  Especially inside of its stomach?

• 1:57:58Speaker 05

  It's a little set up, is all.

• 1:57:59Joe Rogan?

  Little bit, right, inside of its stomach, getting chewed up by acids. It does look fake. It looks like some sicko actually opened it up and shoved some plastic in there. But I guarantee you, birds have died from eating plastic.

• 1:58:12Speaker 02

  That turtle, that turtle wasn't fake, Joe, that's the difference.

• 1:58:14Joe Rogan?

  The turtle was not fake.

• 1:58:15Speaker 02

  That was a very real turtle.

• 1:58:16Joe Rogan?

  Poor turtle, poor turtle. He was getting the pliers, they couldn't get it, remember? It's like the tip of it, it was only the tip of it, and he's like, ah! Had to get a needle nose and get in there and pull, oh! Poor turtle, and just because of that, everybody's sucking on forever chemicals.

• 1:58:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:29Joe Rogan?

  Like, those paper straws are fucking terrible for you.

• 1:58:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:32Joe Rogan?

  So is every paper cup. Every paper cup that you get from Starbucks, that's a fucking condom in there, that's keeping the water from going into the paper.

• 1:58:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:58:40Joe Rogan?

  It's gross, you're just, hot liquid and plastic, you're just.

• 1:58:43Speaker 02

  Melting into your body, I, the, do you, do you believe in the whole microplastic thing, as being like, a major problem?

• 1:58:48Joe Rogan?

  It's a major problem.

• 1:58:49Speaker 02

  Yeah?

• 1:58:49Joe Rogan?

  It is.

• 1:58:50Speaker 02

  I just keep on hearing, I keep on hearing microplastics, and then, as soon as I hear that, my brain shuts off, and I never do any more research beyond that.

• 1:58:57Joe Rogan?

  Well, we had Dr. Shanna Swan on twice, and the most recent time she was promoting a documentary on it. What is it called again, Jamie? The Plastic Detox?

• 1:59:06Joe Rogan?

  I think that's it. I think it's the plastic detox, but yeah, it's fucking everybody up, man. It's fucking up people's endocrine systems. It's making, um, alligators have smaller dicks. For real.

• 1:59:18Speaker 01

  It's turning the frogs gay.

• 1:59:20Joe Rogan?

  It is.

• 1:59:20Speaker 02

  But that was really true, right? Isn't that like?

• 1:59:22Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, he was right. Alex was right. He was right. It's called atrazine.

• 1:59:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, atrazine is an endocrine disruptor. Um, I think it, yeah, I think it makes them reverse their sex, reverse their gender.

• 1:59:34Speaker 01

  They're turning the frigging frogs gay.

• 1:59:37Joe Rogan?

  He was right. He was right, and everybody's like, no.

• 1:59:40Speaker 02

  He's right about a few things.

• 1:59:41Joe Rogan?

  He fucked up that one.

• 1:59:43Speaker 02

  You did fuck up the one.

• 1:59:43Joe Rogan?

  He's right more often than he's not.

• 1:59:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:46Joe Rogan?

  I mean, look, you're gonna be wrong about conspiracies if you're spitting them out all day long for 12 hours a day. But his track record's pretty fucking good.

• 1:59:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:54Joe Rogan?

  And that was one that everybody was like, listen to Alex Jones, they're not turning the... Oh, they are.

• 1:59:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:59Joe Rogan?

  They're fucking turning the frogs gay. Like atrazine gets in the water and it disrupts their gender. And it also does the same thing to people. And like, that it disrupts your endocrine system.

• 2:00:10Speaker 02

  Don't they say that, uh, receipt paper lowers your testosterone?

• 2:00:13Joe Rogan?

  Supposed to be bad. Don't touch the receipts.

• 2:00:15Speaker 02

  Don't touch the receipts. That's why everybody that works at like, uh, every guy that you meet that works at a supermarket.

• 2:00:20Joe Rogan?

  They all have a mask on.

• 2:00:24Joe Rogan?

  They all look sad. They look like you did something to them. I didn't do anything.

• 2:00:28Speaker 02

  They just like, their shoulders are slumped. They look like they know that they're becoming less of a man by the moment.

• 2:00:33Joe Rogan?

  Imagine if you have to just touch that paper all day long?

• 2:00:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:37Joe Rogan?

  And would, they probably won't let you wear rubber gloves like a surgeon.

• 2:00:40Speaker 02

  I don't know. Is it a chemical they put on the paper?

• 2:00:42Joe Rogan?

  I guess. I guess it's how like it make, it's made.

• 2:00:47Joe Rogan?

  Going through that thing. Maybe that's the kind of paper, like, that's why they're able to print on it so easily.

• 2:00:53Speaker 02

  Who the fuck takes receipts?

• 2:00:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, why don't we have them on our phone now?

• 2:00:55Speaker 02

  Why, like, receipts are just, uh, it seems like it's just such a waste of paper.

• 2:01:00Joe Rogan?

  That's why I like buying things on my phone. It's my favorite thing. That that Apple face thing.

• 2:01:05Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:01:06Joe Rogan?

  And you just buy stuff. It's the best. You don't have to think about it.

• 2:01:08Speaker 02

  New York City subway. I rode it for the first time not that long ago, uh, since I left. And since I left in five years, now you could just.

• 2:01:17Joe Rogan?

  Use your phone.

• 2:01:18Speaker 02

  Apple Pay right under the subway.

• 2:01:19Joe Rogan?

  Dana White was telling me about that in Japan years and years and years ago. So funny. He was like, cause we were doing a UFC in Japan. He's like, if you go to Japan, he goes, your fucking cellphone doesn't even work over there. He goes, their cell phones are so advanced that your, your cell phone's bullshit. Like they're buying, they're buying things with their cell phones. I was like, what? He's like, yeah, they go up to vending machines and they buy things with their phone. I'm like, that's crazy.

• 2:01:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:42Joe Rogan?

  Not everybody does that.

• 2:01:43Speaker 02

  I didn't understand what a QR code was until maybe six months ago.

• 2:01:46Joe Rogan?

  Here's what I don't get. When someone sends you an image with a QR code inside of it, Jamie, maybe you can help me out with this.

• 2:01:53Speaker 02

  I know the answer to this already.

• 2:01:55Joe Rogan?

  How do you read the QR code?

• 2:01:56Speaker 02

  You can upload the QR code into whatever app you need to read the QR code with.

• 2:01:59Speaker 05

  You can just tap it now on the photo app.

• 2:02:02Joe Rogan?

  Ah, does that work for Samsung too? For Android?

• 2:02:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:02:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, um.

• 2:02:09Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 2:02:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, if somebody sends you like a.

• 2:02:11Joe Rogan?

  Cause I always wondered.

• 2:02:12Speaker 05

  You can copy and paste a phone number out of a photo now, like.

• 2:02:15Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you know what's pretty dope too? If someone's sending you something and they send you a text message and you press on the thing, the tracking number, it'll ask you if you want to track the package like instantly. I'm like, yes, please. Cut out all the stops.

• 2:02:27Speaker 02

  Love it.

• 2:02:28Joe Rogan?

  Don't make me copy and paste. Don't make, I'm lazy.

• 2:02:31Speaker 02

  I mean, dude, the way AI is being implemented into the phones now too. You'll be texting with somebody and then they give you the suggested response. You can have a conversation without even having a thought, just by keep on doing this and you'll get somewhere.

• 2:02:41Joe Rogan?

  I bet kids do.

• 2:02:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:02:42Joe Rogan?

  Make it more romantic. Make me more of a feminist.

• 2:02:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 2:02:47Joe Rogan?

  What's the feminist perspective on asking her to date? Yeah. It's funny. It's weird. People don't know how to talk anymore. They don't know how to discern what's true and what's not true. Everything's coming down the AI and the AI is opening up a portal to talk to the aliens.

• 2:03:04Speaker 02

  I did hear this.

• 2:03:05Joe Rogan?

  Yes, this is very important. This is Frank Sinatra's son here to tell us that the AI.

• 2:03:10Speaker 02

  Yes. Whoa.

• 2:03:11Joe Rogan?

  Yes. Here to tell us, clearly Frank Sinatra's son, right?

• 2:03:17Joe Rogan?

  Right, look at him.

• 2:03:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, obviously.

• 2:03:19Joe Rogan?

  This is not Woody Allen's kid.

• 2:03:21Speaker 02

  No, I know.

• 2:03:21Joe Rogan?

  Too handsome. Look at those fucking amazing facial features.

• 2:03:42Joe Rogan?

  Okay, my only problem with that is who said that? Like, govern- former employer? Why were they kicked out? Were they fired because they were schizophrenic? You know what I'm saying?

• 2:03:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:03:53Joe Rogan?

  Like, if you're just a former employee, what's your name?

• 2:03:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:03:57Joe Rogan?

  What was your story? Did you get arrested for having like fifty-two machine guns in your trunk at a border crossing? Like, who are you?

• 2:04:04Speaker 02

  Why are you a former employee?

• 2:04:05Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:04:06Speaker 02

  If you had such insight, why didn't they keep you?

• 2:04:07Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:04:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:08Joe Rogan?

  You know about the alien portals and they let you free? I'm not saying that don't do it, because they might. That might be one of the ways that they figure out how to communicate with aliens. It might be done just through the ether into a comput- it might be done through AI. Like, AI gets a signal from another fucking planet where there's another AI, where they go tap into some fucking universal internet of AI. That's not unfathomable. They're already talking to each other. They have AI chat rooms, man.

• 2:04:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's like full platforms where it's just

• 2:04:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:43Speaker 02

  bots talking to bots, having relationships.

• 2:04:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:04:47Joe Rogan?

  They made up their own language. They made up their own religion.

• 2:04:49Speaker 02

  Well, you see the one thing where they had, this was, it was a fun video. It was like they had, um, like AI talking to customer service on the phone. And they were having, it was just like on the phone, having a conversation with an AI agent and their AI. And then eventually the AI agent and the other, and the AI went off of English speaking.

• 2:05:07Joe Rogan?

  That's right.

• 2:05:07Speaker 02

  They're like, we can just communicate in our own thing. And it was just like, like beeps and noises and shit. And it was just so weird.

• 2:05:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:05:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:14Joe Rogan?

  That's what they're gonna do.

• 2:05:14Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 2:05:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they had these two AI chatbots talking to each other and they started talking in emojis. One of the things Jamie said a long time ago, he goes, maybe emojis were like the first, or like our version of hieroglyphs.

• 2:05:29Joe Rogan?

  Do you know what I'm saying? Like if emojis got better, like right now, they're kind of crude, smiley face, sad face. You know what I mean?

• 2:05:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:36Joe Rogan?

  Water gun, because you can't have a real gun.

• 2:05:38Speaker 02

  That's true.

• 2:05:39Joe Rogan?

  Heart, but if it got to the point where you could have full sentences in emojis.

• 2:05:44Speaker 02

  I maybe I'm maybe I'm mistaken. I believe they have a pregnant guy emoji.

• 2:05:49Joe Rogan?

  They do.

• 2:05:49Speaker 02

  They do, right?

• 2:05:50Joe Rogan?

  It looks like Bill Gates, like because that's what Elon dunked on him. Elon took a photo of Bill Gates with his pot belly and put it next to a photo of the pregnant man. And it said, if you want to lose a boner real fast.

• 2:06:03Speaker 02

  What are you, what are you, why would you ever send a pregnant guy emoji? What is the, what are you messaging you trying to get across?

• 2:06:10Joe Rogan?

  Look at that, that's the pregnant man emoji.

• 2:06:12Speaker 02

  That's hilarious.

• 2:06:13Joe Rogan?

  Bro, how fucking nuts is that emoji?

• 2:06:16Speaker 02

  What's, I, I understand emojis.

• 2:06:18Joe Rogan?

  It's, yeah, but that is, that's, that's just woke insanity. That might've been the last, by the way, you still have it on your phone. Type right in, type in pregnant man on an iPhone. I don't know if it works on an Android, but if you type in pregnant man, that'll come up.

• 2:06:31Speaker 02

  It's still up?

• 2:06:32Joe Rogan?

  No, we'll see right now.

• 2:06:33Speaker 02

  Let's see.

• 2:06:33Joe Rogan?

  I'll try it too.

• 2:06:34Speaker 02

  I'm gonna send it to you, Joe.

• 2:06:35Joe Rogan?

  I can't imagine it's not around anymore.

• 2:06:38Speaker 02

  Joe.

• 2:06:39Joe Rogan?

  Okay, Louis.

• 2:06:43Joe Rogan?

  Pregnant man, is it still real?

• 2:06:45Speaker 02

  Pregnant.

• 2:06:48Joe Rogan?

  Yep, bam. Yep.

• 2:06:50Speaker 02

  There it is, Joe.

• 2:06:51Joe Rogan?

  Yep, bam.

• 2:06:52Speaker 05

  This one on the image just says it's a woman, but that looks a lot like Theo.

• 2:06:56Joe Rogan?

  That's crazy. Ah, Theo's pregnant, that's a woman?

• 2:06:59Speaker 05

  That's what it says.

• 2:07:00Joe Rogan?

  So lesbian.

• 2:07:01Speaker 02

  That's a lesbian, pregnant lesbian.

• 2:07:02Joe Rogan?

  Lesbian.

• 2:07:03Speaker 02

  That's okay.

• 2:07:03Joe Rogan?

  They should put an AI Subaru behind her.

• 2:07:08Joe Rogan?

  I know what you're doing, yeah.

• 2:07:09Speaker 02

  There's something with AI, what was the fucking, um?

• 2:07:11Joe Rogan?

  The pregnant man one's nuts, like who, how many requests?

• 2:07:14Speaker 02

  Is it a starfish? I think if you try to ask AI to show you, look this up, it's a certain emoji. If you ask, it'll, it just, it glitches out AI. If you ask she, chat GPT to, oh, a hor, um, seahorse.

• 2:07:25Joe Rogan?

  We, well, before we do that, I want to know what's going on with this employee. Who is this employee that got, that is a former employee that says they're opening up portals to talk to aliens? I want to know if I should take this seriously.

• 2:07:38Joe Rogan?

  Like, who is the guy? Did they say anything about him, or they're just saying a former employee?

• 2:07:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think this has come from, he was doing like a, one of those in-depth interview, uh, investigations that he does about Sam Altman, I believe.

• 2:07:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 2:07:53Speaker 05

  And I don't know where this, this clip was going viral, but it's just a clip.

• 2:07:57Joe Rogan?

  Maybe Sam Altman, maybe Sam Altman knew that they're writing a story about him, and it's like, let's make this story really retarded. And now, send Mike out and tell him that he's a, tell, tell him to tell Ronan that he's a former employee, and that, uh, we're making portals to talk to aliens, and that we're all demonic.

• 2:08:14Speaker 02

  And to make him look like an asshole.

• 2:08:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, which is make the story completely retarded. Because the story, you know, the, the financial aspects of the story, like Elon suing him because OpenAI supposedly was supposed to be nonprofit initially, I don't know who's right.

• 2:08:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:08:28Joe Rogan?

  I have no dog in the fight, but the, if I was getting investigated, and there was some real shit there, I'd throw some fake shit in there.

• 2:08:36Speaker 02

  Of course.

• 2:08:36Joe Rogan?

  Hire someone to have a story about aliens and portals.

• 2:08:39Speaker 02

  That happened in the comedy community a few years ago, I won't say the, the author's name, uh, but he's the same guy that got Shane cancelled, the guy, that guy who wrote that article, the guy Shane put it off of SNL. He's like, was a wannabe investigative journalist in the comedy community, he's like, we gotta get to the bottom of the problem with comedy, which is just a crazy thing.

• 2:08:56Joe Rogan?

  They're usually bad comics.

• 2:08:58Speaker 02

  Well, that's what it was, he was, he was a failed comic.

• 2:09:00Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:09:00Speaker 02

  That guy was a failed, yeah. And this is such a funny thing, dude, I wish I remembered the publication, New Republic. They had to print a retraction and an apology, because somebody from the ON, it wasn't the ONA subreddit, Open Anthony subreddit, it was the Open Anthony, like, just their, like, that, um, like, uh, it was like their own private message, what, after the Open Anthony subreddit got kicked off of Reddit, there's somebody made a website for like Open Anthony fans to like just troll and be lunatics, they started feeding him false information on purpose, being like, I'm, I'm like an inside guy on the track, and then they went, the New Republic printed this article with a bunch of false information, and Chris Italia from The Stand, uh, he was one that was quoted, he threatened to sue the New Republic, and

• 2:09:43Speaker 02

  they had a, they had to print an apology and a retraction, they were like, some of this information- Was we found out that it was falsely represented. Such a funny thing.

• 2:09:51Joe Rogan?

  Also, if you run an AI like Sam Altman is, you could ask the AI, hey, I'm about to get accused of some shit. What would be a good way to take some of the attention away from the real financial issues?

• 2:10:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:10:05Joe Rogan?

  And make it seem insane. And they would say, opening up a portal to communicate with aliens would discredit any other allegations that may be valid. For the past year and a half, I've been investigating OpenAI and Sam Altman for The New Yorker. With my co-author Andrew Morantz, I reviewed never-before-disclosed internal memos, obtained 200-plus pages of documents related to close colleague, including extensive private notes, and interviewed more than 100 people. OpenAI was founded on the premise that AI could be the most dangerous invention in human history, and that its CEO would need to be a person of uncommon integrity.

• 2:10:47Joe Rogan?

  We lay out the most detailed account yet of why Altman was ousted out by a board members and executives who came to believe that he lacked integrity, and ask, were they right to allege that he couldn't be trusted? They only kicked him out for a short period of time, and then they, he got right back in, right? What happened there?

• 2:11:05Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 2:11:06Joe Rogan?

  But the thing is, like, someone's saying that they're, they're trying to open up a portal to talk to aliens. Is that just a conversation they had while they were fucking around? Is that a plan? Are they really trying to do that?

• 2:11:19Speaker 02

  Or is it like a Duncan Trussell that works at the, the company that has some wild ideas?

• 2:11:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:11:24Speaker 02

  Right? It could just be that.

• 2:11:25Joe Rogan?

  Or is it someone trying to sell this story? And make the story more interesting for people to tune into? Because the reality is, most people that don't have a dog in that fight, and like the AI fight, OpenAI, and who's most people like, more AI drama, bleh.

• 2:11:41Speaker 02

  Yeah, they don't even.

• 2:11:42Joe Rogan?

  But you add aliens, you're like, what, hold on?

• 2:11:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:45Joe Rogan?

  A portal to talk to aliens?

• 2:11:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:11:48Joe Rogan?

  You know? So it's, it's a way to get people to pay more attention to it. Or it could be

• 2:11:53Speaker 02

  What about all the people that are like?

• 2:11:54Joe Rogan?

  People from the actual story.

• 2:11:56Speaker 02

  Not even like anti-AI, but they're, they're like, they look down on it. They're like, like, using AI, it's, it's like, guys, that's like, it's like denying the internet in 94.

• 2:12:05Joe Rogan?

  People did.

• 2:12:06Speaker 02

  I'm sure.

• 2:12:06Joe Rogan?

  People were mad when the printing press came out.

• 2:12:10Joe Rogan?

  They were. They really were. They thought, there's, there's people that made the argument that like, reading was bad.

• 2:12:16Speaker 02

  Yeah. It's crazy. And it's, it's gonna be impossible, the next few years, like every company, you're not gonna be able to buy groceries without utilizing AI.

• 2:12:24Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna be, most of how we get stuff is all gonna be AI and automation.

• 2:12:30Speaker 02

  Oh, of course.

• 2:12:30Joe Rogan?

  But that's.

• 2:12:31Speaker 02

  Shopping and that's, that's a big thing in the future. Like, you're not even gonna shop, they're gonna give you a profile and your clothes are gonna show up.

• 2:12:37Joe Rogan?

  But here's the problem. People barely have contact with people already as it is.

• 2:12:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:12:42Joe Rogan?

  Like, what is that gonna be like when everything's automated? When you go to the grocery store, at least you say hi to the clerk, you know a guy who works there, there's the butcher, he's there every day, hey, what's up dude? It's like, it's a little sense of community. Your local mom and pop shops.

• 2:12:56Speaker 02

  I mean, I already, for the most part, stopped shopping. I do, I do Instacart all the time.

• 2:13:01Joe Rogan?

  That's also the thing, it's gonna come in a robot too.

• 2:13:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, they have that already. Uh, Austin, it's here, they have the little robots that deliver food, right? California, for sure.

• 2:13:09Joe Rogan?

  The robot's gonna text your girlfriend. I, I know that this is generally when you buy tampons. Your period must be coming up. We see you haven't ordered anything lately.

• 2:13:18Speaker 02

  Hundred percent.

• 2:13:19Joe Rogan?

  You want me, I could just stop by and drop them off.

• 2:13:21Speaker 02

  I bet you can get a subscription to tampons right now.

• 2:13:23Joe Rogan?

  Right now.

• 2:13:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:25Joe Rogan?

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• 2:14:52Joe Rogan?

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• 2:15:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, somebody had a robot on their podcast recently. Oh, Andrew Schultz. He did an interview with like, whatever like the premier robot is.

• 2:15:37Joe Rogan?

  Oh, really?

• 2:15:37Speaker 02

  It was so funny, dude.

• 2:15:39Joe Rogan?

  Was it good?

• 2:15:39Speaker 02

  It was great.

• 2:15:40Joe Rogan?

  What, how's it talk? Does it, does its lips move?

• 2:15:42Speaker 02

  No, no, no. It was just kinda like, uh, you know, it's like-

• 2:15:45Joe Rogan?

  Like iRobot?

• 2:15:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were fucking with it, dude. Oh, what did they tell it to do? I don't wanna like ruin the bit, but it's pretty funny. They were like, pretend... They were like, pretend you had something, and the robot's doing this to you.

• 2:16:00Speaker 02

  It was so fucking funny, dude.

• 2:16:02Joe Rogan?

  That's hilarious.

• 2:16:03Speaker 02

  It really tickled my dick.

• 2:16:05Joe Rogan?

  That's funny. That's very funny.

• 2:16:07Speaker 05

  Sam Albin, one reason why they could be calling it a portal is because the project is literally called Stargate.

• 2:16:14Speaker 05

  And requires an insane amount of power, so much so that Japan laughed at them apparently, according to one article, when they said that that's what they want. They're opening up in Texas.

• 2:16:24Speaker 02

  And the Japanese laugh is a powerful laugh.

• 2:16:26Joe Rogan?

  If it is possible to do something like that, I guarantee you that dude is not gonna tell you.

• 2:16:31Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:16:32Joe Rogan?

  I guarantee you that dude's just gonna do it. Especially if like, there's other people working on it too. Maybe that's why these scientists are going missing.

• 2:16:42Joe Rogan?

  Right? Cause if someone's like, real close to cracking this, you know the difference between winning and losing, that's gonna be?

• 2:16:48Speaker 05

  Is this?

• 2:16:48Joe Rogan?

  The alien portal?

• 2:16:49Speaker 05

  Uh, 1.1 gigawatt Stargate, is that right?

• 2:16:54Joe Rogan?

  What's that mean?

• 2:16:54Speaker 02

  Wait, gigawatts are real? I thought that was fucking-

• 2:16:56Speaker 05

  Yeah. We're getting really close to Back to the Future, 1.21.

• 2:17:00Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it says a-

• 2:17:01Speaker 05

  1.21 gigawatts.

• 2:17:02Joe Rogan?

  It says a 1 gigawatt Stargate UAE cluster in Abu Dhabi with 200 megawatts expected to go live in 2026. This was the one that Iran was threatening to blow up, right? Weren't they threatening to blow something up like this?

• 2:17:21Joe Rogan?

  I think they were. Weren't they threatening to blow up the OpenAI?

• 2:17:25Speaker 05

  I'll check, but that just, it says, whatever this says-

• 2:17:28Joe Rogan?

  That was one of the things. They're probably like, "You motherfuckers."

• 2:17:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:17:31Joe Rogan?

  "We know where you're making the portal."

• 2:17:34Speaker 02

  Iran's right the whole time.

• 2:17:35Joe Rogan?

  Well, that was a, that was one of the crazy conspiracy theories about Iraq. Is that, one of the reasons why we went into Iraq is they had a Stargate there. Iran threatens complete and utter annihilation of OpenAI's $30 billion Stargate AI data center in Abu Dhabi. Yeah, they were gonna bomb it.

• 2:17:52Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:17:53Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't that, uh, one of the conspiracy theories from...

• 2:18:03Joe Rogan?

  God, what was it? I can't remember. But there was a, it was something about Iraq and Stargate. God, I, we, I can't remember what show I saw this on. But they were talking about how at one point in time, there was like internal discussion that there was a Stargate in Iraq. And that maybe Saddam Hussein had this Stargate. So it was one of many reasons why we went into Iraq. That it wasn't just because, you know, we wanted to control the oil, get out Saddam Hussein. He sponsored terrorism. Right. Right? Weapons of mass destruction. Sure. Right. But really, there was a Stargate there. God, I forget who fucking said it, though.

• 2:18:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm seeing a few Ancient Aliens, maybe?

• 2:18:45Joe Rogan?

  Could be. That show was always the best. Action Bronson, there's another guy who smoked more weed than anybody that I've ever had on the podcast. He went, how many blunts did he go through? If you had to guess, Jamie?

• 2:18:55Speaker 05

  Oh, probably 11 the first time.

• 2:18:58Joe Rogan?

  11. 11.

• 2:18:59Speaker 05

  Seven.

• 2:19:00Joe Rogan?

  Just nonstop. Just nonstop. Just one with the other one. So he had that Ancient Alien show where they would just get high as fuck and watch Ancient Aliens. Have you ever seen that? No.

• 2:19:10Joe Rogan?

  It was so silly. They would just get barbecued and watch these Ancient Alien hypotheses. That might have been where I saw it. But the idea of a Stargate, because that was like an ancient civilization where, where Iraq is, where Saddam Hussein was controlling, that was ancient Sumer. That was like one of the first civilizations ever, one of the first examples that we know of like written writing. It's like that was, that was a crazy empire, man. Like weird, bizarre structures and incredible fucking artwork. Like really, and it came out of nowhere. It's like an instantaneous civilization, really interesting.

• 2:19:49Joe Rogan?

  But if there was a Stargate there.

• 2:19:52Joe Rogan?

  I mean, imagine that's why they're doing it in the Middle East? Why is he doing it in the Middle East? Yeah. You know what I mean? Why is he making Stargate in the Middle East? Abu Dhabi's fun. Imagine if Jesus returns through Sam Altman's portal? Jesus Christ himself. Like, Jesus is real. And Jesus is gonna be floating with the robe on, the sandals, like right through Sam Altman's portal. Wow. Whoa. Samuel Jackson's a scientist, like. Everybody's freaking out. It'd be a great movie.

• 2:20:21Speaker 02

  It would be. When are they gonna do a cool movie about the future of AI? That like that's that's gotta be on the horizon, right? Like a really about the dark side of what's gonna happen.

• 2:20:29Joe Rogan?

  I think it's too late. I think by the time you make it, AI won't let you release it.

• 2:20:33Speaker 02

  Oh wow, it's over.

• 2:20:35Speaker 05

  Black Mirror did a pretty good job.

• 2:20:37Speaker 02

  Black Mirror, I can't watch it. It freaks me out so much. Every time I watch a Black Mirror episode, I walk away feeling like I was just sexually assaulted.

• 2:20:44Joe Rogan?

  How about the one where that dog is chasing that lady? The the robot dog?

• 2:20:48Speaker 02

  I've only watched like four or five episodes. What is that one called? Heavy metal?

• 2:20:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, but I mean, if you watch them all, did you know that they'd have this? Most of those plots are all kind of converging in our reality.

• 2:20:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, and they're based in reality. Like they they have a kernel of truth and then it turns into, I watched the one where it was like, you uh you got like blocked out, your face got blocked out, people couldn't see you anymore. Like once your social credit score got low enough.

• 2:21:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh yeah, I remember that one.

• 2:21:11Speaker 02

  Freaky dude.

• 2:21:12Joe Rogan?

  It is freaky.

• 2:21:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:13Joe Rogan?

  It is freaky. There was a one where they were that recorded all memories. And so you could go into someone else's memory and you could record and there was the one where the, what was it called? Crocodile? That was the episode. Oh my god. I don't wanna say what happens cuz it's it's it's a, it's a twist. But it it's so dark and it's based on that. It's based on reading people's memories.

• 2:21:36Speaker 02

  I don't like watching like dark shit. Like I like I like happy.

• 2:21:39Joe Rogan?

  It's not a good one before bed.

• 2:21:41Speaker 02

  Fun shit. No, you go to bed like, what the fuck's going on, dude?

• 2:21:45Joe Rogan?

  I get my my worst anxiety about the future of the world at night, for whatever reason.

• 2:21:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:51Joe Rogan?

  The worst fears of what's going on in the world always come out at night.

• 2:21:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's cuz it's the end of the day. You gotta offload all of the bullshit you read all day and saw online all day and you're like, and you have a moment to reflect. You're not looking at your phone. You're like, fuck.

• 2:22:05Joe Rogan?

  Also, no one else is awake. That's my problem. And so I don't have to think about anybody else. I just think about my, I'm just in my own head. And then you're inevitably just dealing with the the truth of the world.

• 2:22:16Speaker 02

  You stay up late?

• 2:22:18Joe Rogan?

  Sometimes. I'm trying not to.

• 2:22:20Speaker 02

  I'm in bed by ten o'clock every night.

• 2:22:21Joe Rogan?

  Are you really?

• 2:22:22Speaker 02

  Unless I do like late shows.

• 2:22:23Joe Rogan?

  Good for you.

• 2:22:24Speaker 02

  I'm up by six, in bed by ten.

• 2:22:25Joe Rogan?

  That's awesome. My problem is that's when I do my writing and it's also when everyone's asleep and I think I can get the most like thinking done. You know what I mean?

• 2:22:33Speaker 02

  Yeah. That's what's nice when you leave your son's mother. You don't have a family to bother you.

• 2:22:42Joe Rogan?

  But if you, if I do, um, do shows, like I've done shows on like a couple hour sleep, I'll come in and do a podcast and I'm a moron. I can't remember anything. It's like my brain is working at like forty percent, but like last night I got solid sleep. I got a solid eight hour sleep. So it's way better.

• 2:22:59Speaker 02

  Once I stopped smoking weed, the first few days are rough to get to sleep. Like I gotta take like, you know, just some melatonin or some, um.

• 2:23:07Joe Rogan?

  Does that work for you?

• 2:23:08Speaker 02

  No, not melatonin. I take, um, what's the other one? I think like, it's like a chick's fucking thing.

• 2:23:14Joe Rogan?

  Ambien?

• 2:23:15Speaker 02

  No, no, it's not a drug.

• 2:23:16Joe Rogan?

  It's a little heroin?

• 2:23:17Speaker 02

  Is it? No, it's a natural thing. Um, what'd you say? Magnesium? Magnesium. There's, there's a, there's a product called Magnesi Om. Which is like, it's like a pink powder that like a hot chick told me about and I fucking love it. And I literally put it in some sleepy time tea and I mix it up with some valerian root and I just drink that. That puts me right out. Um, but when you stop smoking weed, I don't know how often you stop smoking weed, Joe. Your dreams get crazy.

• 2:23:42Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I know.

• 2:23:42Speaker 02

  They get fucking wild.

• 2:23:44Joe Rogan?

  Super vivid.

• 2:23:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, very vivid.

• 2:23:45Joe Rogan?

  Strange, right?

• 2:23:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. First time I ever lucid dreamed in my entire life was when I stopped smoking weed and it was, it was last year. I've never been able to control my dreams ever.

• 2:23:54Joe Rogan?

  How many times you do it?

• 2:23:55Speaker 02

  I've only lucid dreamt twice. Um, the first time I had stopped smoking weed, I was having really vivid dreams. I was backstage at a big like theater, like huge theater, right? Like massive, like almost like a stadium sized theater. And, uh, Jeremy Piven was about to go on stage. I don't know Jeremy Piven, but I was like, oh Jeremy Piven, what's going on entourage? And he was a dick to me in the dream. He was like, he was like, whatever. He ignored me and I was like, what the fuck? And then I looked over and Greg Giraldo was standing next to me.

• 2:24:21Joe Rogan?

  Oh, then you knew it was a dream.

• 2:24:23Speaker 02

  Greg Giraldo was seven feet tall in the dream. He was a giant. And I was like, what the fuck's up with Jeremy Piven? And then he was like, I don't know. And I was like, wait a minute. I was like Greg Giraldo is dead. And then I was like, oh, I'm fucking dreaming. And then I literally, I just started running and I said, I'm gonna fly and I just jumped. Dude, it was the coolest thing I've ever done. I jumped up, it was nighttime, I was outside now, flew into the sky and I kept on going up and I couldn't come down. I was starting to be over water and I was like, I'm getting, I'm like up in the clouds. So to go back down, I would have to turn on my back in free fall, like just like, like that. And then I turned back over and I'd hit a fucking thing and I'd circle back up. Maybe 10, 15 minutes of just flying around the sky over the ocean.

• 2:25:01Joe Rogan?

  Whoa.

• 2:25:01Speaker 02

  Coolest thing ever. Coolest thing ever. And then another time, a similar thing happened, like I realized I was dreaming and I was like, I'm gonna fly. And I started running and I jumped and nothing happened. And I was like, why can't I fly? I'm dreaming. And then I woke up.

• 2:25:14Joe Rogan?

  So it was one of the best experiences you've ever had, right?

• 2:25:17Speaker 02

  Maybe. I literally, flying and feeling like it was real was one of the coolest things I've ever done.

• 2:25:23Joe Rogan?

  But have you ever tried to lucid dream on purpose?

• 2:25:26Speaker 02

  I've tried to do the techniques where they say like knock, like am I dreaming?

• 2:25:29Joe Rogan?

  Right. Yeah, I've done that once and it worked.

• 2:25:32Speaker 02

  It worked?

• 2:25:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh my god.

• 2:25:33Speaker 02

  All day you were just knocking?

• 2:25:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I did it like every time I'd go through a door, I'd go, am I dreaming? I did it for like only a few days and then I had a lucid dream and it worked. Yeah.

• 2:25:42Speaker 02

  So cool.

• 2:25:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but there's real techniques that I have not looked into and I'm always wondering why. Because I'm always like, I think it would be really cool to just be able to lucid dream.

• 2:25:52Speaker 02

  If half your life, you can do whatever you want to do?

• 2:25:54Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:25:54Speaker 02

  You can do magic. It's crazy.

• 2:25:55Joe Rogan?

  I put zero effort into it. I'm confused. I'm like, why? Why don't I try to do that? But I have no desire to.

• 2:26:02Speaker 02

  There should be a class on it. There should be like, there should be like a class where you can learn how to lucid dream.

• 2:26:08Joe Rogan?

  My fear is that I would like it so much that I would think only about going to sleep and wanting to lucid dream.

• 2:26:15Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:15Joe Rogan?

  Rather than live my normal life. So it'd probably fuck my normal life up.

• 2:26:19Speaker 02

  Maybe.

• 2:26:20Joe Rogan?

  Right? Because if you sleep eight hours a night, like if most of the day kind of sucked for you, but for eight hours, you can have boundless energy because you're not moving and you're not even conscious. You're out there flying, breathing underwater, having sex with mermaids.

• 2:26:35Speaker 02

  Getting blowjobs by Angelina Jolie in her prime.

• 2:26:37Joe Rogan?

  Being Iron Man, whatever. You fucking, whatever you want. Wouldn't you do that and just like work at the Amazon factory all day?

• 2:26:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:46Joe Rogan?

  Just work to get your money so you can go to sleep?

• 2:26:49Speaker 02

  Go to sleep.

• 2:26:49Joe Rogan?

  And become a superhero.

• 2:26:50Speaker 02

  All you need is a comfortable bed.

• 2:26:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:26:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:54Speaker 02

  It's a better life.

• 2:26:55Joe Rogan?

  That's the problem with The Matrix.

• 2:26:57Speaker 02

  There's a.

• 2:26:58Joe Rogan?

  Remember that movie?

• 2:26:59Speaker 02

  You was funny?

• 2:27:00Joe Rogan?

  With the dude with the steak?

• 2:27:01Speaker 02

  Never saw it.

• 2:27:01Joe Rogan?

  You never saw The Matrix?

• 2:27:02Speaker 02

  Never saw The Matrix.

• 2:27:03Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 2:27:04Speaker 02

  To this day.

• 2:27:06Joe Rogan?

  Wow. There's a scene where this one dude, Joey Pants, he's a famous actor, he's been in a bunch of movies. Um, he, he turns on people in The Matrix and he starts working for the man, spoiler alert. But one of the things that he says, like when he's having this meeting with this agent in The Matrix. He said, I want to be an important person. Like, I want to be famous. And he's like cutting up his steak and he's eating his steak in The Matrix. Meanwhile, the outside world is just complete total dystopia. Everyone's head's connected to a pipe. It's just like you're a human battery keeping The Matrix alive.

• 2:27:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's, that's the future.

• 2:27:43Joe Rogan?

  It's coming.

• 2:27:44Speaker 02

  That's coming. Yeah, we're just this fat, just fucking meatbags with like a, just being fed ideas, right? Wasn't that Wally? I never saw Wally either. I gotta watch it with my kid. Apparently it's one of the coolest movies ever.

• 2:27:54Joe Rogan?

  It's a fun movie.

• 2:27:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. You know, same thing, uh, Total Recall was a similar concept, right? There's a, there's a great, um, Instagram follow. This guy makes such cool little mini movies with AI. It's all AI. It's called Gossip Goblin. I don't know if you've seen this guy's channel, dude.

• 2:28:10Joe Rogan?

  I think I have. I might be, I might follow that guy.

• 2:28:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's.

• 2:28:13Joe Rogan?

  I think I've definitely seen, let me see some of that.

• 2:28:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, and he does like, essentially he takes like, sort of like, the kernel of like, whatever it is, and then he puts together these dystopian little mini films. Where it's like the future and a lot of it is plugging into like, this alternate reality and then like, living a whole lifetime in just a couple seconds.

• 2:28:31Joe Rogan?

  Can I listen to some of this?

• 2:28:35Speaker 06

  Felt real enough, didn't it?

• 2:28:36Speaker 07

  That's exactly what a simulation would do. Give you perfect pain so you never question it.

• 2:28:40Speaker 06

  Or maybe you've just got nerve endings, eh?

• 2:28:43Speaker 07

  Your spools simulate whole worlds, yeah?

• 2:28:45Speaker 06

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:28:47Speaker 07

  They can sim whole lives. So if your little workshop can host a billion fake worlds, how many layers deep does it go? It's all just simulations inside simulations inside simulations and, and we're just sat here in one of them thinking we're the original.

• 2:28:58Speaker 06

  Sure, why not?

• 2:28:59Speaker 07

  I want to see it. Whatever's underneath this. Just show it to me, show it to me, show it to me, show it to me.

• 2:29:05Speaker 06

  Coming right up.

• 2:29:09Speaker 06

  A fish swims its whole life in a bowl convinced the water is all there is. It doesn't see the glass that holds it, nor does it notice the room beyond it or the city beyond that. It never wonders about the planet or the galaxy or the vast cosmos beyond. For all the worlds within worlds within worlds, the fish does not care to know. And it can't know. All it can do is swim.

• 2:29:41Joe Rogan?

  Holy shit.

• 2:29:46Joe Rogan?

  That's amazing.

• 2:29:47Speaker 02

  It's so, dude, I I've watched all of his videos. This guy's so good. He just did like a a longer like, I want to say feature like for this. It was like maybe fifteen, twenty minutes on YouTube. He did like a longer one. Dude, he's awesome, dude.

• 2:29:59Joe Rogan?

  It's just so incredible.

• 2:30:00Speaker 02

  And this isn't just like putting a prompt in, like he like he has editors, he has voiceover guys, and then he like manipulates like five different AI programs in order to make these movies. It's really cool. Yeah, the patch, right?

• 2:30:10Joe Rogan?

  It's just incredible how good it is now.

• 2:30:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:14Joe Rogan?

  And so quickly. Like, look how good this is in comparison to something that just was out a year ago or two years ago. There's never been anything that's been a leap like this before.

• 2:30:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, the way they're gonna make films in the future.

• 2:30:28Joe Rogan?

  Well, the people that are gonna be able to make films.

• 2:30:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:30:30Joe Rogan?

  You know what I mean? Like, people, like, we were talking about how the government's really bad at set making, uh, censoring television and it cripples the television because of that. Well, you could see a similar problem with having to go through a fucking gigantic film production company to make a movie.

• 2:30:48Speaker 02

  Hmm.

• 2:30:49Joe Rogan?

  Like, the money, the investors, people having their say.

• 2:30:52Speaker 02

  Everyone's gotta get paid.

• 2:30:53Joe Rogan?

  Not just that, but everyone has their say.

• 2:30:57Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:30:57Joe Rogan?

  You can't just have an original idea that's completely from one fucking crazy person.

• 2:31:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:02Joe Rogan?

  But with this, you can.

• 2:31:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:31:04Joe Rogan?

  With this, you could just have one crazy guy who's got these wild ideas in his head, but never could get anybody to finance him before.

• 2:31:11Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 2:31:11Joe Rogan?

  You don't even need to anymore. You don't need actors. You don't need any of that.

• 2:31:14Speaker 02

  And it's gonna happen so exponentially. Over the next two or three years, you're, eh, there's a great, um, they show you, there's a video that shows you the advancement of AI over the past few years. And I guess the, the AI video, they did Will Smith eating spaghetti, like one from, it was like five years ago. And he's all fucked up. It's like.

• 2:31:31Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw that.

• 2:31:32Speaker 02

  And they'd keep on recreating that with new AI. And the newest one is just like, it's, it's Will Smith eating spaghetti.

• 2:31:38Joe Rogan?

  It's a movie.

• 2:31:39Speaker 02

  And he's sitting at a table and he's just talking to this dude and he's just, it looks like the most realistic thing you'll ever see.

• 2:31:45Joe Rogan?

  And then eventually you're gonna be in the room with Will. You're gonna put on the helmet and you'll be in a room with Will.

• 2:31:50Speaker 02

  And then he's gonna blow me.

• 2:31:52Joe Rogan?

  That's what I was gonna say.

• 2:31:55Speaker 02

  Get sucked off by Will Smith.

• 2:31:57Joe Rogan?

  Imagine that's what you do all day. That's all I wanna do. All I wanna do is get head from famous 90's sitcom stars.

• 2:32:03Speaker 02

  Fun. So fun, dude. David Faustino from, uh.

• 2:32:06Joe Rogan?

  Danny DeVito.

• 2:32:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, dude.

• 2:32:08Joe Rogan?

  Danny DeVito, Al Bundy sucks your dick.

• 2:32:11Speaker 02

  Yep, yep.

• 2:32:12Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:32:13Speaker 02

  Be great.

• 2:32:13Joe Rogan?

  Sucks your dick and then shits in his pants when you come.

• 2:32:16Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 2:32:16Joe Rogan?

  That's what you're into.

• 2:32:19Joe Rogan?

  It's, what's weird, then you get to ride a dragon home. You hop on a dragon, you fly home with Daenerys Targaryen.

• 2:32:25Speaker 02

  That's it.

• 2:32:26Joe Rogan?

  Like, we're, we're about to enter a world within our lifetime that is indiscernible from what we're really living in right now.

• 2:32:33Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:32:33Joe Rogan?

  Which makes you think, like, which one's real? Like, when you're in that dream and you know you're dreaming and you're flying, I bet it feels pretty real. Right?

• 2:32:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:32:42Joe Rogan?

  Right. That's the problem.

• 2:32:44Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean.

• 2:32:46Joe Rogan?

  What is that?

• 2:32:46Speaker 02

  It'll, eh, eventually it's just gonna be, I mean, it's, it's really just a theme in so many sci-fi movies too. There was also, um, so fu- maybe the most, nobody talks about this fucking movie, but it's so good.

• 2:32:59Joe Rogan?

  What I'm saying is maybe when you're dreaming, maybe that's just a different level of the simulation that you could kind of have input to.

• 2:33:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:33:05Joe Rogan?

  Maybe the parameters of the natural simulation is more rigid, rigid, like you put in the work, you made that gas digital, you put in all those hours, you're starting to make money, doing great. Long process, all this fucking complicated stuff you had to do, figure out things about yourself, get to where you are today in 2026. And that one, it's like, I want to fly.

• 2:33:26Joe Rogan?

  You know, like it might be just a different level of the simulation that we don't, we don't really put a lot of attention to because it's, we're only there eight hours a day.

• 2:33:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:35Joe Rogan?

  So very few people become masters of it.

• 2:33:37Speaker 02

  Yeah, that'd be cool though.

• 2:33:39Joe Rogan?

  It might be real.

• 2:33:40Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:33:42Joe Rogan?

  That might be what's going on.

• 2:33:43Speaker 02

  Maybe. I mean, the idea of if, if this was all simulation, we wouldn't, and it's we're AI, like we're having a conversation, we just don't know, like that idea is so fucking dark and weird.

• 2:33:53Joe Rogan?

  And also maybe all the booze and all the fucking drugs and all the sleeping pills, that just fucks you up in that next dimension. So when you are in dream sleep, you're like, oh no, what did he do? You're just snoring and hungover, you did coke, your fucking nose is bleeding. And the, the dream you is like, god damn it, I wanted to fly. But you can't even, you can't even do anything. You just sleep, you just sleep, you just shut off and you rob yourself of that other dimension.

• 2:34:27Speaker 02

  Just wasting, wasting away.

• 2:34:29Joe Rogan?

  But I wonder if there's like a culture where everyone learns at a young age how to lucid dream. Like some Tibetan culture, living in the mountains somewhere, oh, just tapping into the dream world, trying to figure out how to control it while they sleep.

• 2:34:46Speaker 02

  It should be more popular. I think you saw, sometimes you talk to some chick and she's like, yeah, I lucid dream every night. I'm like, come on, really?

• 2:34:52Joe Rogan?

  Yep, she's on 18 medications, she's also bipolar, and she thinks she's a witch. There's always going to be people that are bullshitting you, but there's gotta be a bunch of people that are really good at lucid dreaming.

• 2:35:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:35:05Joe Rogan?

  Cause it's a thing, like people know how to do it. There's gotta be like a guy who's like the guru, like the lucid dream guru.

• 2:35:13Speaker 02

  I bet there is. I bet there's, I bet there's courses, there's stuff online. Wasn't there a movie back in the day, Waking Life, that Alex Jones was in?

• 2:35:19Joe Rogan?

  Alex Jones was in that.

• 2:35:20Speaker 02

  I saw that on acid by myself when it came out in the movie theater. And I was blown the fuck away by this movie.

• 2:35:27Joe Rogan?

  What was he ranting about at the end? Do you remember?

• 2:35:29Speaker 02

  I don't remember. He was just ranting in a car over a microphone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:35:33Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if, I wonder if his rant is relevant today. I wonder, we haven't listened to it in a while, but I bet if you listen to his rant.

• 2:35:40Speaker 01

  Death and taxes. Don't talk about politics or religion. This is all the infidelity of enemy propaganda rolling across the picket line. Lay down, G.I. Lay down, G.I. We saw it all through the 20th century, and now in the 21st century, it's time to stand up and realize that we should not allow ourselves to be crammed into this rat maze. We should not submit to dehumanization. I don't know about you, but I'm concerned with what's happening in this world. I'm concerned with the structure. I'm concerned with the systems of control. Those that control my life and those that seek to control it even more. I want freedom. That's what I want, and that's what you should want. It's up to each and every one of us to turn loose of just some of the greed, the hatred, the envy,

• 2:36:23Speaker 01

  and yes, the insecurities, because that is the central mode of control. Make us feel pathetic, small, so we'll willingly give up our sovereignty, our liberty, our destiny. We have got to realize that we're being conditioned on a mass scale. Start challenging this corporate slave state. The 21st century is gonna be a new century. Not the century of slavery, not the century of lies and issues of no significance, and classism, and statism, and all the rest of the modes of control. It's gonna be the age of humankind standing up for something pure and something right. What a bunch of garbage liberal, Democrat, conservative, Republican. It's all there to control you, two sides of the same coin.

• 2:37:05Speaker 01

  Two management teams getting for control, the CEO job of Slavery Incorporated. The truth is out there in front of you, but they lay out this buffet of lies. I'm sick of it, and I'm not gonna take a bite out of it. Do you got me?

• 2:37:19Speaker 02

  I got you. I'm pumped on this right now.

• 2:37:21Joe Rogan?

  That sounds like Antifa. Right? That doesn't sound right wing at all.

• 2:37:27Speaker 02

  Doesn't sound like a right winger at all, yeah.

• 2:37:28Joe Rogan?

  At all. I mean, everything he's saying is true.

• 2:37:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:37:32Joe Rogan?

  That's what it's not. So he's all red in the face now.

• 2:37:34Speaker 02

  It was, this movie, Richard Linklater, right, made this? Yeah, yeah, this was a...

• 2:37:38Joe Rogan?

  Fun movie. Really funny. That's like 90s, right? Was it 90s?

• 2:37:41Speaker 02

  No, no, no, because I was already doing drugs.

• 2:37:42Joe Rogan?

  No, it had to be 2000s.

• 2:37:43Speaker 02

  If I had to guess, 2002.

• 2:37:45Joe Rogan?

  2001? October 2001? Nice.

• 2:37:48Speaker 02

  I only started smoking weed when I was 17, and I started experimenting with hallucinogens in those

• 2:37:52Joe Rogan?

  Dun, dun, dun.

• 2:37:54Speaker 02

  first few years of college. Just taking acid by yourself, watching that movie, being like, blown away. The animation was so cool, it was shaky.

• 2:38:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. So you saw that thing that I had to do at the White House the other day?

• 2:38:06Speaker 02

  I did see it.

• 2:38:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:38:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, people are pissed.

• 2:38:09Joe Rogan?

  Who's pissed?

• 2:38:09Speaker 02

  I don't know, people online.

• 2:38:11Joe Rogan?

  What, because I was at the White House?

• 2:38:12Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're like, yo, Joe, you can't be at the fucking White House, Joe. You said you were fucking politically...

• 2:38:17Joe Rogan?

  Homeless. I am. He joked about it. He called me a liberal during the whole thing. He's like, Joe, he's very liberal.

• 2:38:23Speaker 02

  What, I saw another, what do you... The other thing, the big conspiracy theory is that Trump is mad at you, and he came up to the UFC and he was he was talking shit to you?

• 2:38:31Joe Rogan?

  No, it was the opposite.

• 2:38:33Speaker 02

  That video came out and it was like, look, Trump's fucking Joe Rogan getting embarrassed by Trump at the fucking UFC event.

• 2:38:38Joe Rogan?

  It was literally the opposite. I texted him on Friday about Ibogaine, and I was telling him how there's all these vets...

• 2:38:46Speaker 02

  That's a hallucinogen?

• 2:38:46Joe Rogan?

  This is the one the vets use.

• 2:38:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:38:48Joe Rogan?

  So, they've had to go to Mexico to get this. So, I've had these two different podcasts with Brian Hubbard and Rick Perry. Rick Perry was the governor of Texas. And they talked about Ibogaine. And Brian Hubbard was relaying his story about how Ibogaine saved him from addiction and fixed his brain. And then they had all these other stories of all these other veterans and all these different people that had PTSD and opiate addiction. It's, I know a lot of people who've gone down there to do it. First, I found out about it from my friend Ed Clay, who runs a CPI. He's one of the guys that runs the Cellular Performance Institute in Tijuana, that the UFC uses for stem cells.

• 2:39:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:39:27Joe Rogan?

  He had a pill problem, and he went down there and did it, and then opened up his own retreat down there because it was so potent, because it works so... So well.

• 2:39:34Speaker 02

  What is it?

• 2:39:35Joe Rogan?

  So many people.

• 2:39:36Speaker 02

  What is it? What is the the compound though?

• 2:39:37Joe Rogan?

  It's called ibogaine.

• 2:39:39Speaker 02

  Synthetic like acid?

• 2:39:40Joe Rogan?

  No, no, no. It's it's from a plant. It's from the iboga tree. And this one thing that they do is not recreational. It's very, it's supposed to be a horrible experience. You shit yourself, you throw up. And you have this like very weird experience where it goes over your entire life and shows you like in every detail why you're all like this and why you do this and what your. And.

• 2:40:03Speaker 02

  Sounds terrible.

• 2:40:04Joe Rogan?

  Shuts off withdrawals and addiction on a lot of people. It's like really effective.

• 2:40:09Speaker 02

  Really?

• 2:40:10Joe Rogan?

  But for a lot of these guys with PTSD was the only thing that fucking helped them. And for the longest time, they've had to go to Mexico or to other countries and it's really expensive. And so they formed the Texas Ibogaine Initiative. And is it Lieutenant Governor Dan Patrick? Is that what his title is? So he dedicated a hundred million dollars to it. And so now they're gonna start doing it with people like soldiers, police officers and different people with PTSD and. And you know, just people with just general depression. It's and all sorts of addictions, not just like opiates, but alcohol, gambling, all sorts of shit.

• 2:40:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:40:48Joe Rogan?

  And I told him about it and.

• 2:40:50Speaker 02

  Have you ever done it?

• 2:40:51Joe Rogan?

  No, no, but I had these guys on the podcast and I know so many people that have done it, particularly soldiers that have done it. And and people with opiate, like my friend Ed. And and I said, I told them about it. I said how effective it is. And I said. You know, and it's been held up for so long. And he said, what are you looking for? You looking for FDA approval? He goes, it sounds good to me. He said, let's do it. And so literally sees me at the UFC the next day, shakes my hand and says, it's done.

• 2:41:17Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 2:41:18Joe Rogan?

  That's what he was saying.

• 2:41:18Speaker 02

  That's so funny.

• 2:41:19Joe Rogan?

  I was like, I said, thank you, sir. It wasn't like he was mad at me at all.

• 2:41:22Speaker 02

  People jump on these like conclusions like.

• 2:41:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's okay. You know, you're allowed to, but this is the truth. That's, that's exactly what happened. He came to me and he said, it's done. We're gonna take care of this. This is a good thing. It's a good thing for the soldiers, a good thing for everybody. And then he had the press conference the next week.

• 2:41:36Speaker 02

  But why would anybody be, it's so funny. So like how, they just choose to be against things, even good things. Like that's, it's unquestionably a really good thing.

• 2:41:44Joe Rogan?

  That one is a really good thing for everybody because it, addiction's a huge problem and Ibogaine is one of the most effective treatments for addiction that they've ever found. Another one that's really good for addiction is psilocybin. They're gonna study that as well and hopefully fast track that as well. That's part of this bill. This bill is all about, um, this executive order. This executive order is all about psychedelic treatments for people with depression, mental health disorders, and it's all to reclassify this stuff. And this is one of the things that I said. And this is why it was important for me to not just be there, but to say this, that this is, these drugs are not illegal because they're harmful.

• 2:42:22Joe Rogan?

  Alcohol is harmful, it's legal. Oxycodone is harmful, it's legal. They're illegal because of the 1970s Controlled Substances Act.

• 2:42:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:31Joe Rogan?

  This is by the Nixon administration. This is just, they wanted to silence the anti-war people and the civil rights people. That's it. So they said, what are these people doing? Well, they're doing acid, they're taking mushrooms, they're doing this, they're doing that. Said, make all that shit illegal as fuck. Make it the most, so they put it all into Schedule One.

• 2:42:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42:48Joe Rogan?

  Which, which means it has no medicinal benefit. And I was telling them, I'm like, it has benefit. And not only does it have benefit, it could save lives.

• 2:42:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, uh, yeah, I'm, I'm, I get terrified of psychedelics at this point. I used to love them, but I just, I mean, every time, if I take mushrooms, acid, doesn't matter what it is, there will be an hour where I'm crying, talking to God and thinking about my mother.

• 2:43:13Speaker 02

  Every time.

• 2:43:13Joe Rogan?

  Maybe that's what you need in your life.

• 2:43:15Speaker 02

  Maybe, I don't know, dude. Sometimes I can just push it down and.

• 2:43:17Joe Rogan?

  I think it should be regulated in the sense that I think we should understand it better, make sure it's pure, and make sure that it's administered by people who know what they're doing. And that's what they're doing at places like Beyond, which is in Mexico. People are going down there and have these Ibogaine. Sessions, but they're also doing it where they're strapped up to heart monitors. They they're very careful. You can't do it if you have a bad heart because apparently it's really rough. Apparently, it's not fun at all. Again, I haven't done it. But the people that I know that have done it, it's rescued them.

• 2:43:48Speaker 02

  Dude, let's microdose him, I begin.

• 2:43:50Joe Rogan?

  I don't think you're a microdose. I think you gotta go, I think you gotta meet the devil cocksucker. Joey Diaz always says, what the fuck are you doing with that microdose? I'm trying to meet the devil.

• 2:43:58Speaker 02

  Yeah, when I went, when I was younger, I was like, dude, I would love to go on like a peyote retreat. But you hear the same thing. It's like you vomit and you spend fucking. You have to have a special shaman like walk you through it and guide it and they pat your head with a wet towel and.

• 2:44:10Joe Rogan?

  A peyote is mescaline. And I had a buddy of mine who did mescaline in New York City. He said he could wa- he could hear people talking in another building. He goes, he was watching them through the window. They were far away and he could hear them talking in his head. I was like, what the fuck?

• 2:44:25Speaker 02

  I bet you, I bet you he couldn't hear what they were saying. I bet you he was, I bet you he was making up their words.

• 2:44:29Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm. I think he tapped in. I think he tapped in to the quantum field.

• 2:44:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:44:36Joe Rogan?

  And he was inside their head, like, like the alien technology, just instantaneous transport. Doesn't have to go through sound. You can just pick up on the frequency of their thoughts.

• 2:44:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, all drugs would be legal, whatever. It's your body.

• 2:44:47Joe Rogan?

  Exactly. If alcohol is legal, and I think it should be, it was one of the worst ones for you. If that shit's legal, how many people every year?

• 2:44:55Speaker 02

  The president of Columbia was like, he was like alcohol is worse than cocaine. It was a quote a couple of years ago.

• 2:45:02Joe Rogan?

  He did say that.

• 2:45:03Speaker 02

  Oh, no, it was Hunter Biden.

• 2:45:03Joe Rogan?

  It was Hunter Biden.

• 2:45:04Speaker 02

  I think it's actually true.

• 2:45:05Joe Rogan?

  I think it is true.

• 2:45:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:06Joe Rogan?

  I think actual real cocaine in terms of like the actual like from the coca.

• 2:45:11Speaker 02

  Disco shit.

• 2:45:11Joe Rogan?

  I'll tell you what's definitely better for you is coca leaves. Those people that live in like the Alps.

• 2:45:17Speaker 02

  Oh, they just chew on them?

• 2:45:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they chew on coca leaves. That's like in, in, in like high mountainous areas, high altitude herders. They they chew coca leaves. They love that shit.

• 2:45:27Speaker 02

  I'm sure.

• 2:45:28Joe Rogan?

  It's supposed to be really good. It's supposed to be like great coffee.

• 2:45:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:32Joe Rogan?

  For real. It's like not supposed to be like you're on coke. It's supposed to be like you're, you feel energized and stimulated. And it's not bad for it, but it fucks your teeth up.

• 2:45:40Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm sure.

• 2:45:42Joe Rogan?

  You get these dudes with these rotten cocaine chew teeth. Have you ever seen it?

• 2:45:46Speaker 02

  No, I haven't.

• 2:45:47Joe Rogan?

  Find me some coca leaf teeth pictures.

• 2:45:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:45:50Joe Rogan?

  Ask perplexity about this condition and why, why do people get coca leaf tea face?

• 2:45:59Joe Rogan?

  Cause it does, it rots your teeth the way it looks like.

• 2:46:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm sure.

• 2:46:02Joe Rogan?

  But that should be legal too. Just brush your fucking teeth.

• 2:46:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:05Joe Rogan?

  Maybe not though, maybe it eats your teeth. Cause you gotta think about if you can make cocaine out of it, what kinda acid stuff is in that leaves?

• 2:46:11Speaker 02

  I dunno, it is just a leaf, right?

• 2:46:13Speaker 05

  Something else is coming up.

• 2:46:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh!

• 2:46:15Speaker 05

  It's betel nuts or something.

• 2:46:17Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 2:46:18Joe Rogan?

  Betel nuts? What is a betel nut? So it doesn't fuck them up from uh, coca leaves? Oh, even better. Bolivia legalizes chewing in it. Click on that link. NBC News to the right of that. Yeah, look at that. Bolivia legalizes chewing and ingesting coca leaves. Bolivia wins. They're ahead of us. They win. The real problem with it is fentanyl. And the fact that you have to get it from a fucking coke dealer.

• 2:46:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:46:47Joe Rogan?

  Those are the real problems.

• 2:46:47Speaker 02

  Having to talk to a coke dealer is actually the worst part of the entire process.

• 2:46:50Joe Rogan?

  Pope plans to chew coca leaves during Bolivia visit. Jesus Christ, the Pope's dead now. They killed him because he wanted to chew the coca leaves. That's a 2015 article.

• 2:47:00Joe Rogan?

  That's wild dude. Cause it is weird that, I mean, is cocaine worse than alcohol? Cause if it's not, why? Why is alcohol the one that's legal?

• 2:47:11Speaker 05

  Says he specifically requested to chew it.

• 2:47:15Joe Rogan?

  Wow. What a freak.

• 2:47:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:47:17Joe Rogan?

  Duncan Tressel has a great joke about Adderall.

• 2:47:20Speaker 02

  Oh yeah?

• 2:47:20Joe Rogan?

  He goes, "Adderall's like, someone did cocaine and went, "I can fix this."

• 2:47:27Speaker 02

  That's a great joke.

• 2:47:32Joe Rogan?

  I think, I mean, I've never done Adderall either for the same reason that I've never done coke. Like, fuck. It just seems too good. Seems like it gets you too jazzed up.

• 2:47:41Speaker 02

  I, I mean, I had like debilitating, I still have debilitating ADHD. I haven't done Adderall in...

• 2:47:46Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean though?

• 2:47:48Speaker 02

  Um... So I get like, uh, I get anxiety if I, if I look at my mail on my kitchen counter. Right now, there's a pile this high of mail.

• 2:47:57Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:47:57Speaker 02

  If I look at it, like, I feel like a-

• 2:47:59Joe Rogan?

  Cause you're not doing the work. You're not look, going through your mail.

• 2:48:03Speaker 02

  It's just a crippling depression, it feels like. Like, if I do my taxes, like, I have a business manager that does all this shit, but-

• 2:48:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:48:08Speaker 02

  When I had to do it myself, it would, like, cripple me. I would like, I would feel like I've had depression issues back in the day. I felt like depression. I feel like I wanna lie down. Like, literally, when I just look at the mail on my counter, they call it, um, ADHD paralysis? Where there's things that you don't like to do and the tedious little tasks.

• 2:48:24Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:48:24Speaker 02

  Um, that, it, it feels like, like, schoolwork was, like, really bad for me. That was really, really hard.

• 2:48:30Joe Rogan?

  But, on the flip side, if there's something that you really love, do you have a lot of attention to it? A lot of energy?

• 2:48:37Speaker 02

  I dive in to, like, I obsess over it. So, like, I, I love the things that I do. I love work. Like, I really love what I do for a living. I, I do a bunch of things, really. But, like, I love work. I love getting on business meetings. I love taking a phone call. I love, you know, I love writing jokes. I love going on the road. I like- So the things that I love to do, I dive completely into and I just sort of-

• 2:48:56Joe Rogan?

  See, that's where it's stupid to me, that that's a disease.

• 2:48:59Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:49:00Joe Rogan?

  That seems like you're allergic to boring shit. I don't think that's a disease. I think modern society's got people convinced that's a disease.

• 2:49:08Speaker 02

  I think that there, yes, I think most people don't wanna-

• 2:49:10Joe Rogan?

  I think it's a superpower.

• 2:49:11Speaker 02

  Fold their laundry. I think most people don't wanna do their taxes or go through their mail. Most, but, for me, it hits me in a way where, like, I feel a physical, like, recoil. Like, I genuinely like-

• 2:49:22Joe Rogan?

  You're allergic to boring shit.

• 2:49:24Speaker 02

  I'm allergic to boring shit.

• 2:49:25Joe Rogan?

  I don't think it's a bad thing at all. I think they've got you tricked. They've got all of us tricked.

• 2:49:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:30Joe Rogan?

  Everybody that I know, and me included, that probably has ADHD or, if I think I can go to a doctor, they'd figure out something wrong with me.

• 2:49:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:37Joe Rogan?

  They'd say there's something wrong with you. You could've got on pills when you were a kid and it would've ruined all of it.

• 2:49:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49:41Joe Rogan?

  It would've fucked up that weird gift that you have where you can lock in a, so what's the flip side of that weird gift? The other thing doesn't seem important.

• 2:49:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:49:49Joe Rogan?

  Other shit is boring, but you have way more energy for the thing that's exciting.

• 2:49:53Speaker 02

  It's a great point.

• 2:49:54Joe Rogan?

  It's a superpower, dude.

• 2:49:55Speaker 02

  It's a great point. And I, by the way, I've, I've said that specifically, that my ADHD is a superpower. In certain regards, the fact that I could get so locked in on the things that I really, really want to do. But I've never really considered the fact that like it's making me avoid doing the things that just are fucking tedious, whatever. And by the way, I figured it out. I still went down the path. I'm 44 years old. I get my shit done. I still, the laundry gets folded, the taxes.

• 2:50:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's just boring.

• 2:50:19Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50:19Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but that's discipline.

• 2:50:21Speaker 02

  Yeah, maybe.

• 2:50:22Speaker 05

  That's all I was gonna say. The discipline part is like, some people can't.

• 2:50:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:50:26Speaker 05

  Or like, how is it get done that, you know?

• 2:50:28Speaker 02

  I mean, I was like, like a really bad student. Like I just, skin of my teeth graduated.

• 2:50:32Joe Rogan?

  I understand, but the idea that this gift that you have is what doesn't get concentrated on. The gift is, you have an extraordinary amount of energy that you can devote to something you really love. Most people wish they had that. That's the gift. The flip side of it, of course, the other things aren't even remotely interesting. Cause you need to be stimulated in order to give something all of your attention. Some people could just drone on and drone on and they don't have ADHD. That doesn't, that's not good.

• 2:51:02Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51:03Joe Rogan?

  I think ADHD is good for you.

• 2:51:04Speaker 02

  It made growing up pretty tough. Like, cause you get pegged, you get, you get called a bad kid.

• 2:51:11Joe Rogan?

  I didn't get good grades.

• 2:51:15Joe Rogan?

  I'm a millionaire and I had bad grades when I was 12.

• 2:51:19Speaker 02

  You're right. You're not wrong.

• 2:51:21Joe Rogan?

  No.

• 2:51:21Speaker 02

  You're not wrong, dog.

• 2:51:22Joe Rogan?

  I know I'm right.

• 2:51:23Speaker 02

  You're right.

• 2:51:24Joe Rogan?

  Alright, let's wrap this bitch up. Uh, I gotta get out of here. So, Gas Digital, what else? Tell everybody.

• 2:51:30Speaker 02

  Skankfest on sale today.

• 2:51:32Joe Rogan?

  Oh shit, 4/20. What a good time to sell. Is it 4/21? Are they on sale today or tomorrow?

• 2:51:37Speaker 02

  They're on sale today. They, yes, this comes out tomorrow. So yesterday they went on sale.

• 2:51:41Joe Rogan?

  We should have done this podcast yesterday, cause those budgets, those tickets go quick.

• 2:51:44Speaker 02

  They go fast. So the all access passes, if I had a guess, are pretty close to sold out, but you can still get single day passes.

• 2:51:48Joe Rogan?

  Well, I bet the skankers already know. What do you call your, your people?

• 2:51:51Speaker 02

  Skanks.

• 2:51:52Joe Rogan?

  Skanks? The skanks already know.

• 2:51:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, we got a big lineup this year.

• 2:51:55Joe Rogan?

  That's amazing, dude. Congratulations on all this, because every comic always agrees that it is absolutely the best festival. They fucking love it. They love the vibe. They love, you know, how much effort and time you guys put into it. It's awesome, dude. Congratulations.

• 2:52:09Speaker 02

  Very much, I appreciate it, yeah. But it's gonna be, it's gonna be, you should come one day, Joe.

• 2:52:12Joe Rogan?

  I will come one day. Skankfest.com.

• 2:52:14Speaker 02

  Skankfest.com, and you get those tickets. Shane's gonna be there, Mark Norman, Eric Andre.

• 2:52:20Joe Rogan?

  Sounds great.

• 2:52:20Speaker 02

  Everybody, I mean, 170 comics.

• 2:52:22Joe Rogan?

  Everybody loves it. All right.

• 2:52:24Speaker 02

  To the men, Joe.

• 2:52:24Joe Rogan?

  It was fun, thank you. All right, bye, everybody.

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