Giggling about fashion week, think tanks, and per se

Hannah has almost convinced Paige to get a pixie cut and we've been prepping for Fashion Week. shop merch

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Hannah Berner?

  I was thinking about how women have so many little things we have to do when we're getting home that you have to be aware of.

• 0:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, so many people have my location.

• 0:08Hannah Berner?

  And you have to share your ETA, you have to check the route, you have to text everyone I'm home.

• 0:12Paige DeSorbo?

  And if your friend like doesn't text you, "Oh, you got home," you're calling the FBI.

• 0:17Hannah Berner?

  Yep, yep. And we joke about it because it's so normal to us, but you're constantly paying attention. And even when you're exhausted and just want to get home, your brain still has to be on. You're like, is this guy going the right route? Am I in the right place? Who's around me? What's happening?

• 0:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, there's truly no clocking out of your safety.

• 0:33Hannah Berner?

  And that's why riding in a Waymo feels different. It's an autonomous ride with an empty driver's seat. So, once you get in, you have this private space that's actually just yours.

• 0:42Paige DeSorbo?

  And you know, I love alone time, and I truly feel like it's such a luxury in a Waymo.

• 0:46Hannah Berner?

  Especially after being social. Like, I love everyone, but like...

• 0:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Please, nobody speak to me.

• 0:51Hannah Berner?

  Like, give me 20 minutes. I want music, the right temperature. There's no compromising. And you can customize the ride, put on your own music, answer texts you ignored all night, stare out the window. You actually have a minute where you're not thinking about everyone else.

• 1:04Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's the thing. It's not even necessarily about doing something. Sometimes it's just, you want to sit there and not speak.

• 1:11Hannah Berner?

  And put your guard down for a second and feel safe.

• 1:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Which truly, women deserve.

• 1:16Hannah Berner?

  We deserve to disassociate safely for 20 minutes.

• 1:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I mean, put that on a t-shirt, for real.

• 1:22Hannah Berner?

  And obviously, safety is a huge part of why that feeling matters. Knowing Waymo's safer, there's something refreshing in having that space where you can just be yourself and let Waymo handle the driving.

• 1:31Paige DeSorbo?

  And we spend enough of our lives being on.

• 1:34Hannah Berner?

  Exactly.

• 1:35Paige DeSorbo?

  We don't need to be on in the car.

• 1:37Hannah Berner?

  Getting around shouldn't require so much mental energy. And if this sounds like your ideal way to get around too, download the Waymo app and use code GIGLY to get 20% off your next two rides. You can check out the full terms in the app.

• 1:49Paige DeSorbo?

  We love a discount.

• 1:51Hannah Berner?

  And if Waymo isn't in your city yet, head to waymo.com/gigly to sign up and help bring Waymo to you.

• 1:56Paige DeSorbo?

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• 2:36Paige DeSorbo?

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• 2:50Hannah Berner?

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• 3:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Sup, gigglers?

• 3:21Speaker 02

  Carrie, fix the wifi.

• 3:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Manifest that shit.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  We can't be nannin'.

• 3:29Speaker 02

  I mean, the day just got away from me.

• 3:33Hannah Berner?

  Hello, my glitzy gigglers. It's Fashion Week. It's fashion. Wait, let me get my shades on. It's Fashion Week.

• 3:41Paige DeSorbo?

  It's too much. Hannah's got me up at 8:30 a.m. I just opened my eyes.

• 3:46Hannah Berner?

  I do have to say, the reason I'm so awake is woke up to, um, humble brag, name drop, voice message from Chelsea Handler. Did not realize I was going to the US Open with her.

• 4:00Paige DeSorbo?

  Hannah calls me in a tizzy. She's like, "Wait, I don't like remember how the text went."

• 4:06Hannah Berner?

  I somehow miscommunicated with Chelsea Handler that we're going to the US Open, and she's like, "I'll see you tomorrow. Pick you up at 3."

• 4:13Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what we don't talk about enough on this pod?

• 4:15Hannah Berner?

  That I miscommunicate with everyone?

• 4:17Paige DeSorbo?

  That you just like flex on us randomly.

• 4:20Hannah Berner?

  Well, I'm feeling a little insecure because you've been hanging out with Kendall Jenner all week, so like I had to plug. I had to do a plug.

• 4:27Paige DeSorbo?

  I met her for two and a half minutes.

• 4:30Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, but the way she looked at you, I didn't like that. She loved you. She literally was like, "Oh, that's my girl."

• 4:37Paige DeSorbo?

  We didn't talk about it because she is brunette.

• 4:40Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, no, she loved you.

• 4:42Paige DeSorbo?

  And it's like when you hang out with people, you're hanging out with blondes.

• 4:45Hannah Berner?

  It's kind of like when you have a hot boyfriend. Like, I want girls to look at him like he's hot. Like, I want other girls to want to be friends with you, but I just want them to not. And I've put in the time and effort.

• 4:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 4:56Hannah Berner?

  Anywho, oh yeah, so somehow, you guys, I'm going to the US Open tonight with my mom.

• 5:02Paige DeSorbo?

  What are you wearing, doll? I didn't go to the, this is the first time in 10 years I haven't gone to the US Open.

• 5:09Hannah Berner?

  In 10 years?

• 5:11Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, I've gone every year for like 10 years.

• 5:13Hannah Berner?

  Oh, my God. And you just learned the rules last year?

• 5:16Paige DeSorbo?

  No, you want to know what it...

• 5:18Hannah Berner?

  Like, 10 years?

• 5:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait. Do you want to know something? And this happens at every sporting event in my life, because then I sat down and I thought about it, and I'm like, "Why is it impossible for me to retain this information?"

• 5:33Hannah Berner?

  Because you don't care.

• 5:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Every year, the Super Bowl comes, or like some playoff games come, that people are like, "Big game, we're going, we're doing a party, or we're going somewhere, get an outfit." And every year, I relearn the rules of football, and I think, "I got this. This is easy."

• 5:52Hannah Berner?

  Not to defend you, but you have so many algorithms in your head for outfits you're putting together for the event, that by the time you get there, you're burnt. You've nothing left to give.

• 6:01Paige DeSorbo?

  I have to go to the Giants game on Sunday. I can't figure out what to wear. It's killing me. I'm doing all Fashion Week stuff. All I care about is this Giants outfit because it's stumping me.

• 6:13Hannah Berner?

  Wait.

• 6:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Because it's nighttime. I don't know what the weather is. Like, it's, a nighttime game vibe is very different. And then it's like, if the sun goes down and it drops to like 60, I'm going to be freezing. But if I'm there for a tailgate, I'll be sweating my balls off.

• 6:27Hannah Berner?

  I feel like ESPN like hears about us. Like, someone's like, in the network meeting, they're like, "Okay, the numbers are good, but Giggly Squad, the number one sports podcast in the world, is really..." Like, we don't try to talk about sports.

• 6:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you think I could find a red track jacket anywhere to get shipped to me in less than two days? This is the problem with shopping. I can't go anywhere and get anything immediately. Track jackets are trending. They've been trending for six months. Why the fuck can't I find a red track jacket?

• 6:59Hannah Berner?

  Mmm, mmm, interesting.

• 7:02Paige DeSorbo?

  I want a windbreaker. I want like, I want something that I can curl under, that I can wear with a black capri, and then I can decide if I want to do a flat or a sandal, like a heeled thong sandal. That was my vision for the outfit look. But now I'm like, I'm rethinking everything.

• 7:19Hannah Berner?

  When in doubt, windbreaker it out.

• 7:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 7:22Hannah Berner?

  That's what we say.

• 7:22Paige DeSorbo?

  That's what we say.

• 7:24Hannah Berner?

  That's what we say. Because the truth is, you're never too cold, you're never too hot. You can bloat in it. You look like you're leaving at any time, which is cool, girl.

• 7:32Paige DeSorbo?

  I can wear a comfy tank under it.

• 7:37Hannah Berner?

  Oh, I love it. And then if you want to show a little decolletage, you can, but then if you want to be stuck up, you could pull it up.

• 7:42Paige DeSorbo?

  You do a stud and a track jacket?

• 7:45Hannah Berner?

  And you could put hair up if you want. You could also put it down.

• 7:47Paige DeSorbo?

  She's rich, but she's not throwing it in your face.

• 7:50Hannah Berner?

  Yes. Well, that's why the YSL windbreaker is so fucked up.

• 7:55Paige DeSorbo?

  A track jacket just says so much.

• 7:57Hannah Berner?

  And also, you are the fastest kid in the 5th grade, so it just like is a great callback. 4th grade, sorry.

• 8:03Paige DeSorbo?

  And I owe it all to these one pair of Nike sneakers that I really, I feel like they never remade. The bottom of those sneakers are the best bottoms I've ever had in my life.

• 8:12Hannah Berner?

  Was that like the ones that had the like bounce?

• 8:14Paige DeSorbo?

  A little bit. They were rippled all the way down, and the side was a pink Nike sign. But Hannah, it was metallic. It was like hard. It was like 3D, like you could touch it. It was pink metallic.

• 8:27Hannah Berner?

  I'm just envisioning you winning the Olympics and going on stage, and everyone's like, "How did you do it?" And I'm like, you're like, "The pink metallic Nike heel that I wore was so iconic."

• 8:37Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm not kidding. I love them so much. I got them the next year in silver. Every year before school, my mom would take me to get my sneaker for the year, and it stumped me.

• 8:46Hannah Berner?

  I'm obsessed with you.

• 8:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Every year, I was like, "I can't do this again. I don't know." I would call one of my friends who was like sporty, and I'd be like, "What's in for sneakers?"

• 8:59Hannah Berner?

  She'd be like, "What? What's in?" In your world, what are the sporty...

• 9:05Paige DeSorbo?

  What are they doing?

• 9:06Hannah Berner?

  Sweaty girls wearing? Did you have like different gym outfits each year?

• 9:10Paige DeSorbo?

  No, we wore gym uniforms. So, the only thing I was in charge of were the sneakers.

• 9:14Hannah Berner?

  You would have hated our gym uniform, our MS51s. It was, um, yellow and blue.

• 9:21Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't mind.

• 9:22Hannah Berner?

  There was no gay behind that. There was, it was a big yellow shirt and not like cute butter yellow, like in-your-face yellow, and then blue.

• 9:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Blue shorts.

• 9:31Hannah Berner?

  It wasn't good with my skin tone, but let me just say, I loved gym class.

• 9:36Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. No, okay, so every year, I learned the rules of the US Open, the Super Bowl, and like horse betting. Those are my three that I learned.

• 9:48Hannah Berner?

  Wait, so now I'm worried, as you guys know. My dream is to be friends with Chelsea Handler. Like, that was my dream. It's happened. But now it's like I have to deal with the consequences of my actions.

• 9:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Mm-hmm.

• 10:00Hannah Berner?

  If I'm with Chelsea, men's semifinals, Tiafoe Bunshelton, I might get hammered.

• 10:08Paige DeSorbo?

  I think if there's ever a time for you specifically as Hannah Lucy Burner Scorpio...

• 10:15Hannah Berner?

  Wait, your birthday?

• 10:17Paige DeSorbo?

  No, we had your birthday.

• 10:20Hannah Berner?

  By the way, still haven't gotten my present.

• 10:22Paige DeSorbo?

  You wanna know why? Because I look at your present every single day.

• 10:25Hannah Berner?

  And you want it.

• 10:26Paige DeSorbo?

  No, and I wanna like mail it to you. And I'm like, that's my friend. I need to give it to her in person. I'm gonna see her in person.

• 10:33Hannah Berner?

  Last night, I was like, Paige's birthday is coming.

• 10:37Hannah Berner?

  And I was like, September, October, November. And I literally was like, we have to, I would start Googling. I was like, cool girl present.

• 10:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you know, once a year, I text Grace. It could be any month of the year.

• 10:48Hannah Berner?

  And you, when's your birthday?

• 10:49Paige DeSorbo?

  And I go, when is Hannah's birthday again?

• 10:51Hannah Berner?

  Oh. Well, yours on Google's wrong.

• 10:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, I always know it's August, but every time, I, I think I gaslight myself into like changing the day in my own head.

• 11:02Hannah Berner?

  Do you know Dez and I have the same day? Like, I'm August 12th, he's November 12th. And I don't know what that means, but I can make it up.

• 11:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Definitely means something.

• 11:10Hannah Berner?

  Right?

• 11:11Paige DeSorbo?

  For sure.

• 11:12Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 11:13Paige DeSorbo?

  There's like all this different stuff. Like, you can do like your life path number.

• 11:17Hannah Berner?

  Oh, yeah.

• 11:18Paige DeSorbo?

  And you can like add all, so 12 and 12 definitely means something.

• 11:21Hannah Berner?

  I love, but that's the only math you do. You're like, if you add one plus two, it equals three.

• 11:26Paige DeSorbo?

  If you think I have it written down, 1999.

• 11:30Hannah Berner?

  I love when you search it and they're like, you're.

• 11:31Paige DeSorbo?

  1992.

• 11:32Hannah Berner?

  You're a creative leader. You're an adventure, adventure discoverer.

• 11:38Paige DeSorbo?

  No, but they're accurate.

• 11:40Hannah Berner?

  You're a librarian.

• 11:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, so what are you going to wear to the US Open now two days in a row?

• 11:46Hannah Berner?

  This is my thing. My dream is wearing some like really cool vintage preppy, like tennis-inspired, like fucking sweater shit. I don't know. But I've been told by the people around me on my team, I have to be more subdued. I can't dress like a clown. Like, they're like, you're 35 now. Like, they want me to wear more black and like be common. I'm like, that's what I wear every day, but like when I'm on the red carpet.

• 12:14Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, that's not who you are, though.

• 12:15Hannah Berner?

  I, I'm on Drag Race.

• 12:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, that's fun. When, look.

• 12:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Not to sound like 87 years old, but like, we're not always gonna be on red carpets. Well. Look at Jane Fonda.

• 12:32Hannah Berner?

  I'm sorry, I'm, I feel like red carpets are for any age.

• 12:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, no, but I'm saying like, there might not always be a time where you're like, I wanna go on this red carpet or I wanna throw a fit on this carpet. I think, do it, do it now how you wanna do it. How fun.

• 12:49Hannah Berner?

  I do have to say, cuz this is so last minute, it's up in the air and I know that stresses you out, but you, if, worst case scenario, I skip the carpet. If the outfit's just like not outfitting, we skip the carpet.

• 13:00Paige DeSorbo?

  You've done it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 13:01Hannah Berner?

  They're sick, they're actually like, kind of burn us here.

• 13:03Paige DeSorbo?

  No, okay, but there's gonna be pictures of Chelsea Handler sitting.

• 13:06Hannah Berner?

  Hey, it's Hannah. Should we let her on?

• 13:10Hannah Berner?

  Wait, it's gonna be so embarrassing when it goes, the Jumbotron's gonna go to Chelsea Handler and I'm just gonna be sitting next to it.

• 13:15Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, that's why you have to have at least a good outfit from the waist up.

• 13:19Hannah Berner?

  Wait, should I make out with her on the Jumbotron?

• 13:23Paige DeSorbo?

  Imagine.

• 13:24Hannah Berner?

  That would be iconic.

• 13:26Paige DeSorbo?

  That would be a really good promo for a tennis movie.

• 13:30Hannah Berner?

  That would literally be Madonna, Britney Spears in comedy.

• 13:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, if you and Chelsea Handler wrote a tennis movie together.

• 13:37Hannah Berner?

  A tennis lesbian commentator movie.

• 13:39Paige DeSorbo?

  And you starred in it.

• 13:40Hannah Berner?

  Tennis lesbian sports broadcasters.

• 13:42Paige DeSorbo?

  And the way you did the first promo of the movie was at the US Open on the Jumbotron and everyone picked it up, like, they thought it was real, and then everyone was like, actually, it's a promo for a movie.

• 13:52Hannah Berner?

  We use this podcast. It's, it's just brainstorming.

• 13:55Paige DeSorbo?

  It's an incubator.

• 13:56Hannah Berner?

  It's a literal, this is Silicon Valley for girls.

• 14:01Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, not even speaking of, but it's actually been on my mind for like the past two days. I don't know why.

• 14:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Are we just never getting Taylor Swift's wedding pictures? Was that the gag? Hey, I'm having a thousand people, you'll never see it.

• 14:17Hannah Berner?

  Well, people were commenting, apparently Travis said, apparently, he said like the show was great.

• 14:26Hannah Berner?

  Like, he called it a show, which made people feel like that wasn't actually their wedding ceremony. It was more like a, but this is the thing, if you're gonna have a big shebang, don't you wanna publicize it?

• 14:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, I don't even care about the wedding per se.

• 14:43Hannah Berner?

  I love when you say per se. It tickles my fancy.

• 14:47Paige DeSorbo?

  And I think more companies should be named per se.

• 14:51Hannah Berner?

  I think every sentence should start with per se, cuz it makes sense, per se. It's like, it's like millennial LOL. You can end every sentence with per se.

• 15:01Paige DeSorbo?

  It's also kind of like a really cute girl's name.

• 15:08Hannah Berner?

  No.

• 15:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Isn't it? Say it. Per se.

• 15:12Hannah Berner?

  Per se.

• 15:15Hannah Berner?

  P.S. So cute. Think about the themed birthday parties. P.S. Just like, they're all little writers. Yeah, think about their embroidery. So cute.

• 15:26Paige DeSorbo?

  You have to think about these things. What were we saying?

• 15:28Hannah Berner?

  Wait, I have an invention for our incubator.

• 15:33Hannah Berner?

  Okay. Actually, this is so page coded, but I have to remember to bring, I have this one pair of black capris that like fit me right, that I might wear at the US Open. But I have to remember to pack it and I'm jumping on, I just have to remember to pack it.

• 15:47Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 15:48Hannah Berner?

  And that's the kind of thing that like, I know I'm gonna forget. And I realize, like, people will be like, hey, Siri, remind me. That doesn't work for me. I don't talk to Siri. I've actually never spoken to Siri in my life.

• 15:58Paige DeSorbo?

  So interesting.

• 15:59Hannah Berner?

  So like, also, I don't know when I'm actually be walking out the door. And like, if I put it in my notes, I don't click the notes. So it's like, I want an app on the phone that's like, put it.

• 16:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Calls you?

• 16:10Hannah Berner?

  No, I just want it like, sorry, that's Lois.

• 16:14Paige DeSorbo?

  And happy birthday, Lois.

• 16:17Hannah Berner?

  So cute. I want it to just like be popped up on your screen, like permanently. Like, when you have important things that you can't forget at any time.

• 16:28Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, I have to go sign for a package or he's gonna take it back. I'll be right back. This is an emergency.

• 16:34Hannah Berner?

  Go, girl, go.

• 16:36Paige DeSorbo?

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• 18:12Hannah Berner?

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• 18:55Hannah Berner?

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• 19:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, autumn in New York is the season where we can finally start dressing again. Every single thing is an excuse to put on a look. Going to work, outfit. Leading a meeting, outfit. Getting drinks with your friends, obviously outfit. And as we all know, every great outfit starts from the feet up. That is why I'm currently obsessed with Ali's from Sam Edelman. They're a ballet flat, but a little something extra for fall. A contrasting velvet cap toe, I have them in this gorgeous azure blue, which is like a dusty muted blue that somehow goes with everything, even Daphne's eyes. They're so cute, and I'm already envisioning my next outfit. Straight leg jeans, an oversized blazer, and a little shoulder bag. Very, I just threw this on when we all know I absolutely did not.

• 19:48Paige DeSorbo?

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• 20:33Paige DeSorbo?

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• 23:04Hannah Berner?

  What did you get?

• 23:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Marin had just shipped me a bunch of clothes and I had to.

• 23:11Hannah Berner?

  Oh my god.

• 23:12Paige DeSorbo?

  I had to haul ass to the door.

• 23:14Hannah Berner?

  Wait, your forehead looks really shiny.

• 23:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Thanks. I did. A metacube sleeping mask last night and I also popped a pitbull.

• 23:24Hannah Berner?

  I feel like you already started Fashion Week, but like. We have our first fashion shows together.

• 23:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Yep.

• 23:30Hannah Berner?

  How are you preparing for the fashion shows you're going to? Like, tell the gigglers.

• 23:36Paige DeSorbo?

  The only preparation I'm doing is like picking out my outfits. Like I got invited. This is the first time I've ever gotten invited to like a Chanel. Anything, really? And I got invited to this dinner tonight and so I'm like. I've never tried on more outfits.

• 23:52Hannah Berner?

  More Chanel.

• 23:52Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I don't even have any Chanel. So I'm like. I'm like, does this give Chanel? And then I'm like, is everyone gonna be wearing? Chanel or is that like? Not cool? Should it be like one thing? It's just.

• 24:07Hannah Berner?

  Relatable issues.

• 24:08Paige DeSorbo?

  This stupid problem of the day. But I'm so excited to go. So I don't even. I don't even care what else I'm doing because that is my first thing this week.

• 24:19Hannah Berner?

  Mm hmm.

• 24:20Paige DeSorbo?

  But I haven't really done any. Preparation skin wise.

• 24:25Hannah Berner?

  Mm hmm.

• 24:26Paige DeSorbo?

  That's different from my usual routine.

• 24:28Hannah Berner?

  I was gonna get a spray tan, but I like, don't have it in me.

• 24:32Paige DeSorbo?

  And sometimes I'm, I can't do it.

• 24:35Hannah Berner?

  And I'm like tanish. It's just. I don't know. I can't.

• 24:41Paige DeSorbo?

  I know.

• 24:41Hannah Berner?

  I'm thirty five.

• 24:43Paige DeSorbo?

  I am going to LA at the end of the month, but, and I am thinking, already thinking about the spray tan I'm gonna get.

• 24:50Hannah Berner?

  Now you make me feel like I should have gotten a spray tan.

• 24:53Paige DeSorbo?

  And let's just point out to the gigglers, you've been sending me pics of red hair.

• 24:58Hannah Berner?

  Oh, okay. Well, you're.

• 25:02Hannah Berner?

  You're a demon.

• 25:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 25:04Hannah Berner?

  You're an actual demon. You waited till the last second. Of the last podcast, like every, I was like, amazing. Good. Good to see you. Love you. Bye. And you go, wait, wait, wait. One more thing. One more little tiny thing. She goes.

• 25:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Small thing that you'll think about for the next three days.

• 25:19Hannah Berner?

  You look like shit.

• 25:22Hannah Berner?

  And then hangs up. And I was like. Okay, my hope, I thought she was like into the vibe I was bringing to the function. So then I'm looking in the mirror like, this is all wrong. This whole day is all wrong. And then Dez agreed with you.

• 25:37Paige DeSorbo?

  That's when you know we've plotted and like, no, I'm just kidding.

• 25:41Hannah Berner?

  Did he start it? Like he texted you like, can Hannah please change her hair? Hugh?

• 25:45Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm no better than a man. I'm looking at pictures of girls all day long.

• 25:49Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 25:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, all I do is look at pictures of women and I admire them and I think like, what are cool things that I could take from my, from their life and put it into my life? And one of the things that brings me joy is looking at different redheads. Just redhead.

• 26:05Hannah Berner?

  It's like me looking at, at white cats.

• 26:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes, it's, it's actually the exact equivalent.

• 26:12Hannah Berner?

  Yeah. When I look at ragdoll cats, I'm like, this is Paige's culture.

• 26:16Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. I'm like, my friend could do this. And I'm like, oh my God, she could rock this shade.

• 26:21Hannah Berner?

  I think I will go a deeper red, but I also had a moment where I was like. Do I just fucking go back brunette? But then the people around me said, no.

• 26:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Really?

• 26:34Hannah Berner?

  Time. Well, I was like for casting because. You know, my casting for auditions, it hasn't been going well the last three months because of my nasoderm.

• 26:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, you're, but you're dealing with something and I don't, and this is exactly what happens to women when they can't change one thing. They wanna try and change another. And it's not the thing we're changing.

• 26:54Hannah Berner?

  Wait, also, this is so stupid, but when you change your hair color, you have to. Get like new extension colors.

• 27:02Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, they're gonna say a whole new personality.

• 27:05Hannah Berner?

  You have to get a whole new wardrobe.

• 27:06Paige DeSorbo?

  You do. You have, you're a, you are a different person.

• 27:09Hannah Berner?

  I have to walk into rooms differently. I have to walk differently. I talk differently.

• 27:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Me with bangs, much more anxious.

• 27:16Hannah Berner?

  Oh yeah. No, you're more neurotic with bangs. You have to be like.

• 27:21Hannah Berner?

  Girls with bangs are smart. Cause they have to prepare.

• 27:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Girls with bangs have something. Something hiding under there.

• 27:30Hannah Berner?

  Also, I love how you only bring them out like when you want.

• 27:34Paige DeSorbo?

  They're not for every occasion. I just pretend I don't have them.

• 27:39Hannah Berner?

  It's giving snooky right now.

• 27:41Paige DeSorbo?

  That's me just being like. And I'm thirty three. I don't give a fuck what you say.

• 27:47Hannah Berner?

  Do you know what I love that like I can't pull off, but I want you to? I love when they take the bang and they do that like. Side, like slick side, like short, like.

• 27:57Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay, well, it's funny because I didn't know anything that I was gonna wear to the Chanel dinner, but all I wanted to do was like a slick. Back bun, like all the way back, like no part.

• 28:10Hannah Berner?

  Oh.

• 28:11Paige DeSorbo?

  And then just like one bang. I don't know why that was my vision. But, cause I don't even have my outfit yet.

• 28:17Hannah Berner?

  Will the bang just be like? Like alfalfa?

• 28:22Paige DeSorbo?

  I want just like one.

• 28:24Hannah Berner?

  Will it be slicked down like, like curled?

• 28:26Paige DeSorbo?

  No, not like slick to my forehead, just like. That, but like, that was my vision. But I go on Pinterest, all I do is Pinterest.

• 28:34Hannah Berner?

  Sorry, this is pretty privileged and I have to call it out. She's like, what if we just did like a random this and a random that? And it's like, yeah, you'll look pretty because you have like a, a nice symmetrical, beautiful face. Meanwhile, I was on a Zoom yesterday with Grace, my hair in a bun. I started playing with these hairs. And I was just like braiding them.

• 28:54Paige DeSorbo?

  New growth. That looks like new growth, Hannah.

• 28:58Hannah Berner?

  What if I show up at the Chanel dinner like this?

• 29:01Paige DeSorbo?

  With the right outfit, it's actually really chic.

• 29:06Paige DeSorbo?

  I have a bone to pick with you because, and I have, and I've actually been keeping it in because I haven't even wanted to broach the subject with you.

• 29:13Hannah Berner?

  It's only eight fifty three AM and now you wanna start shit with me. Come on, let's go.

• 29:17Paige DeSorbo?

  It's not, it's gonna end up working in your favor though, but. A couple of months ago, you brought something up and you said, and we all made fun of you and we said you were crazy and outlandish.

• 29:30Hannah Berner?

  If I had a nickel. If I had a fucking nickel.

• 29:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Continue. But really you were right and he was a monster. Um.

• 29:42Paige DeSorbo?

  But Hannah, I can't stop thinking about like. A pixie cut. Like a really short.

• 29:49Hannah Berner?

  Paige, don't cry. No.

• 29:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Like a super, like one of my girlfriends has a super short haircut and she looks cute and.

• 29:55Hannah Berner?

  I got goosebumps. Like I'm gonna cry. Paige, I'm gonna cry.

• 30:00Hannah Berner?

  That's my dream for you.

• 30:01Paige DeSorbo?

  I just can't stop thinking about like, okay, like what if I got a bob? And I'm like, but what if I did a different kind of bob? And it was really more just like he, like, I don't know. And then I'm like, that's a pixie.

• 30:14Hannah Berner?

  Audrey Hepburn, like, and you just do all different, you could do all your weird little fucking bang things.

• 30:20Paige DeSorbo?

  I know.

• 30:20Hannah Berner?

  But like not, it, it needs to commit. Like I wanna see the shape of the back of your head.

• 30:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's the thing. Here's the thing. It's not just changing my hair. I need new friends. I need new, like, I need new restaurants. I need new outfits.

• 30:35Hannah Berner?

  She goes, you're the first that's getting cut, babe.

• 30:38Paige DeSorbo?

  And if you're not fire engine red, I'm sorry, we can't hang out.

• 30:42Hannah Berner?

  This.

• 30:45Paige DeSorbo?

  I can't walk in with a pixie cut and then just my brunette friend. You need to be something.

• 30:51Hannah Berner?

  Wait, if you walked into the Chanel dinner with a literal pixie, every girl in New York City would have a pixie cut by the fall.

• 31:00Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I mean, that is, that is so extreme. I'd have to really be going through something to just like do it that extreme. But I've been thinking about it. There's just so many factors.

• 31:10Hannah Berner?

  I'm inspired by my mom, but like maybe do it when you're pregnant one day. Like it's summer, you're pregnant. And you wanna cut it off.

• 31:18Paige DeSorbo?

  I just feel like a massive round face matching my stomach. The last thing I'm thinking about is cutting my hair up to here.

• 31:28Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, your tongue is gonna be too swollen.

• 31:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Because I gained weight in my face.

• 31:32Hannah Berner?

  First of all, no, you don't.

• 31:34Paige DeSorbo?

  The first place I gained weight, my face.

• 31:38Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I do.

• 31:39Hannah Berner?

  Oh my god.

• 31:40Paige DeSorbo?

  When I got my wisdom teeth out, my dad said, don't look at me. He said, I'm sorry.

• 31:45Hannah Berner?

  All I have to say is it's giving your cat journey where like you told me. At one point you were like literally go fuck yourself, go fuck yourself, go fuck yourself. And then one day you were like. I have an idea.

• 31:58Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm no better than a man.

• 31:59Hannah Berner?

  You're no better than a man.

• 32:00Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm no better than a man.

• 32:02Hannah Berner?

  But it's gonna take longer because even when you first said I wanted a cat, it took. A lot of time.

• 32:09Paige DeSorbo?

  One thing about me, I have to do things on my own time.

• 32:11Hannah Berner?

  I know.

• 32:12Paige DeSorbo?

  And that could be three minutes. That could be three years.

• 32:15Hannah Berner?

  That's why one thing I've never, I've never pressured you to do anything, but I do have recommendations. Where you, on the other hand, will be like, you look like shit. I can't do this anymore. You look like a clown. By the way, the beginning of Summer House, I was blonde.

• 32:33Paige DeSorbo?

  And no one talks about it.

• 32:34Hannah Berner?

  And no one talks about it. I didn't know I was blonde. Can we talk about that? Do you ever not know? That you're blonde. I thought I was just getting highlights.

• 32:42Paige DeSorbo?

  You know what? I didn't realize you didn't know you weren't blonde. Until one day you came in with like a super low light and you were like, hey, I was blonde.

• 32:53Hannah Berner?

  It's because I can't communicate with people.

• 32:55Paige DeSorbo?

  Remember when like J Lo went, I just said J Lo. Remember when Jennifer Lopez went like super blonde or like kind of blonde.

• 33:04Hannah Berner?

  Like when Kim Kardashian went blonde.

• 33:06Paige DeSorbo?

  That's what you were, that color. You were like honeyish.

• 33:10Hannah Berner?

  It's insane how bad I am at communicating when all I fucking do is talk to people all day. But like, I can't communicate and I never wanted, I always wanted warm. Like I like warm tones. Anyway, I have a really bad miscommunication problem. I went to chiropractor yesterday. Shout out to all my gigglers in the DM. They're like, hey, I went to Harvard. I'm a physical therapist. This is what you should do. I am gonna, physical therapy is number one, by the way. I don't recommend chiropractor over physical therapy. Chiropractor was just me having some fun. Having some whimsy.

• 33:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, just testing it out, seeing what works.

• 33:44Hannah Berner?

  But the lady, like, my biggest fear is when I do stuff, it's gonna make it worse. Like I got a massage, it made it worse. I'm going to chiropractor. I'm like, please don't make it worse. I got botox to my masters and made my life worse. This is why I don't do things. This is why I don't leave the house.

• 33:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Right.

• 34:00Hannah Berner?

  So I go, and I've done this thing. They put the stem machine on your back. And what they normally say is like, let us know when we should stop.

• 34:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Describe the contraption.

• 34:10Hannah Berner?

  They put this like cold stuff, like an ultrasound on your back. And then they put these like stickers on and it adds like electricity.

• 34:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 34:19Hannah Berner?

  But they don't want to electrocute you, but they want to like do it strong enough that it's doing something. So you tell them like when it's strong enough.

• 34:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Is it like instant relief?

• 34:29Hannah Berner?

  It feels like a deep, deep stimulation.

• 34:33Paige DeSorbo?

  I did something like that, but it was for like to get abs.

• 34:36Hannah Berner?

  You're like, I did that on my clip. Sorry.

• 34:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Alexa made me go and like do that somewhere on like my butt and my abs.

• 34:43Hannah Berner?

  Did it work?

• 34:43Paige DeSorbo?

  I mean, maybe. I don't know. Not really.

• 34:47Hannah Berner?

  I'm glad it felt good. But she like, I've done this before. They always say like, tell us when it's strong enough. She like didn't say that.

• 34:55Paige DeSorbo?

  How many levels? Like, like it goes up to like level?

• 34:57Hannah Berner?

  You just hear like beep beep and it just keeps getting stronger, but she didn't verbalize like say something.

• 35:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 35:04Hannah Berner?

  And like in that moment, by the, I'm like, she should say that. And then she's like just doing it. And I'm like, does she know? And then it gets like really fucking strong. And then I guess I like can't be assertive. And finally I'm like, that's good. And then she's like, great, leaves the room. It's way too strong.

• 35:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh my god, Hannah.

• 35:22Hannah Berner?

  My back is like spasming. And then as my back is spasming, I'm like, do I yell from this office? But then I'm like, that's so embarrassing. I'm not yelling from this office.

• 35:34Paige DeSorbo?

  Hannah, you're literal.

• 35:36Hannah Berner?

  And then I'm like, I'm trapped, like getting electrocuted. Like I'm getting a lobotomy.

• 35:41Paige DeSorbo?

  How are the patches on you? Are they like stuck to you?

• 35:44Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, they're like sticker. You can rip it off, but like, I'm not trying to create a scene.

• 35:49Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I would have ripped it off. See, that's, I can't be, no. If I'm uncomfortable, I'm screaming.

• 35:54Hannah Berner?

  I have a high tolerance for, my back is like like it's lit, I could feel it spasming. And then I'm like, okay, she'll come back to check on me, right? She'll come back. So I'm spasming. And then I hear like someone come into the office and it's like an old employee. And they're all like, oh my god. So then there's like stuff going on.

• 36:12Paige DeSorbo?

  Happy birthday.

• 36:15Hannah Berner?

  He's like, surprise, it's been 20 years. And everyone's like, how have you been? Tell us everything. How's your, how's your kid? Did you have, did you get married? What was the wedding like?

• 36:25Paige DeSorbo?

  When I left in 2004, I'll start there.

• 36:29Hannah Berner?

  Every employee is now like in the lobby talking to this person. So I'm like, this is now, if I was gonna cause a scene, like now, like this is way, I can't. So then she eventually came in and I was like, can you make it a little less? And she's like, okay. Good news, I woke up this morning, my back's not fucked. But um, that's just a glimpse into the life of me trying to better myself.

• 36:51Paige DeSorbo?

  How long realistically do you think you were laying there with it turned all the way up?

• 36:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Like five minutes?

• 37:00Hannah Berner?

  It felt like two hours. It was probably like eight minutes.

• 37:05Paige DeSorbo?

  No.

• 37:06Hannah Berner?

  So you would have like escaped.

• 37:09Paige DeSorbo?

  Before she left the room, I would have been like, actually, let's lower it a little.

• 37:13Hannah Berner?

  You know, that's what it is. I don't listen to my first instinct.

• 37:16Paige DeSorbo?

  You have to. You have to. It's, you, you have to. It's the only thing I listen to.

• 37:24Hannah Berner?

  Do you know what I want to say though? Now that I'm 35. I was voice noting someone and like I knew tea about someone that they knew. And normally I would just be like wanting to be liked and just like tell them just to like be a fun friend.

• 37:41Paige DeSorbo?

  Did you tell me this tea?

• 37:42Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, you know this, Jane.

• 37:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, okay. Proceed.

• 37:45Hannah Berner?

  And then I stopped for a second. I said, you know what? You can't just tell everyone everything.

• 37:49Paige DeSorbo?

  You can't.

• 37:51Hannah Berner?

  And I've lived my whole life telling everyone everything. I'm trying to be like, okay, she might not think this conversation is as fun as it would have been. But I don't need to spread information to people who might, I don't trust with it.

• 38:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, what people don't realize truly, the art of gossip is to is to actually not gossip. Because so many people like will tell you things because they'll be like, who's she gonna tell? She's never told a single soul. So you have to have one person that you tell everything to. But you can't say it to everyone because then not everyone's gonna tell you stuff. And so you, you need to keep your mouth shut so that certain people feed you the info. Like, I feel like I've stared people straight in the face, listened to a story that they've told me about themselves.

• 38:48Paige DeSorbo?

  And in my head, I've been like, I already know. Like, I already know this gossip. I was gossiping with someone, not even. I actually wasn't gossiping because it was about myself. I was telling someone something about myself. And this person started to cry. And I was like, oh my god. Why are you crying? Like, it's, truly you don't have to cry. Like, I'm not upset. Like, I'm just like, I'm telling you this story that happened in my life. You don't have to cry about this. They stopped crying. And they said, yeah, sorry. I actually don't know why I did that because I already know this story.

• 39:27Hannah Berner?

  She, she was acting too hard. They're like, act like you never heard it before. And she's like

• 39:33Paige DeSorbo?

  It was one of those moments, honey, I remember where I was, what time it was, what day of the week. I stopped dead in my tracks. I go, never have I ever had someone admit to me that they were like, that they were scamming me. Like that they already knew the gossip. Now, if I know something, I'm not saying I'm not saying, yeah, I know so and so told me, especially if you're telling me like a vulnerable story. I'm, I'm in the moment with you. I'm forgetting that I even knew this.

• 40:06Hannah Berner?

  You don't want to give away your source.

• 40:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 40:09Hannah Berner?

  I do feel like there's a lot of comedy gossip where like, when I'm on the road with my openers. Like I haven't been in the clubs in a minute. So I, that's the best gossip because like, I'm not there. So I'm like, it's, it doesn't have to do with me.

• 40:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 40:24Hannah Berner?

  So that's like the best kind of gossip.

• 40:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Gossip about other people? Yeah, that's the best. When you're not involved, your friends aren't involved. That's the best kind of gossip.

• 40:33Hannah Berner?

  I think people open up to me and then I have this wealth of knowledge. I would never tell, if someone says, don't tell anyone, I wouldn't tell. It was insecurities of my own that I wasn't enough. I wasn't enough just existing. And you have to have unconditional love surrounding you. Not based on good gossip that you figured out.

• 40:54Paige DeSorbo?

  Sometimes I've gotten some of the best gossip in the world. And someone has called me and been like, I know you have this gossip. And I have been like, I really don't, what do you, like, what have you heard?

• 41:07Hannah Berner?

  Also thing, I can't lie.

• 41:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 41:10Hannah Berner?

  You're, you're better, not lying, but you're better at poker face.

• 41:15Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes. Because I feel like I, deep down in my core of my personality, is, who are you? I don't owe you anything. Who are you to ask me something that I know that you think that you should also know? Where you're nicer.

• 41:34Hannah Berner?

  One follow-up question, you get it from me. One follow-up.

• 41:37Paige DeSorbo?

  Where you don't, you don't have that.

• 41:40Hannah Berner?

  No, I am, you know what it is? This is what it is. I'm too trusting.

• 41:44Paige DeSorbo?

  And you're not pessimistic about anything, where I am.

• 41:48Hannah Berner?

  When I meet someone, I assume they're angels. I assume that they've been brought to me by God to be a beautiful spirit in my life. And then I get fucked.

• 42:00Paige DeSorbo?

  And nine times out of 10.

• 42:02Hannah Berner?

  And it's crazy at 30, that's what it is. I'm so trusting that I assume people will, like, savor the information the right way, not use it against me, not use it against other people. Cause I'm just having innocent fun.

• 42:13Paige DeSorbo?

  No, because the first person they're calling, they're saying, guess what the fuck Hannah Berner just told me? That's how they're starting out the story.

• 42:21Hannah Berner?

  And I don't know if it's also because

• 42:25Hannah Berner?

  I am like a tennis nerd. Where like, my, my social stuff was like, me playing mind games with girls on tennis courts. It wasn't like friend drama. Like, my drama was competing. You're all-girls school, like, that's 101. You, you use information as power.

• 42:48Paige DeSorbo?

  My boyfriend in high school got asked to prom from, by a different girl, at a different school, at like, 2:00 in the afternoon. I knew by 2:15.

• 43:04Paige DeSorbo?

  There were no bounds to my web. Like, I knew.

• 43:08Hannah Berner?

  Eyes and ears everywhere, babe.

• 43:10Paige DeSorbo?

  He was like, I just left that class. How'd you find that out?

• 43:12Hannah Berner?

  You go, also, it was me who asked him. I was testing him.

• 43:16Paige DeSorbo?

  I go, it was me, in a wig?

• 43:19Hannah Berner?

  In a mustache.

• 43:20Paige DeSorbo?

  This is before we had DMs, okay? We were old school. We stalked.

• 43:25Hannah Berner?

  We stalked.

• 43:27Paige DeSorbo?

  Like cyber stalking, get a grip, get in a car, drive by his house. Like, what?

• 43:32Hannah Berner?

  Also, this girl, I posted on my story, this, this great tennis player, actually, who works for the USTA, found, we were in the eastern section.

• 43:43Paige DeSorbo?

  Wait, the USTA?

• 43:44Hannah Berner?

  You would've loved this, the United States Tennis Association.

• 43:47Paige DeSorbo?

  USTA, why did I just think, like, worked for, like, me?

• 43:51Hannah Berner?

  Milk.

• 43:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, the USTA. I'm like, wait, works for, like, a farm?

• 43:55Hannah Berner?

  Which honestly, sounds amazing. So you would've loved it, cause tennis was divided by sections. So there was like, there's the eastern girls, there's the southern girls. So like, we would have this thing called zonals, where we'd be, like, the eastern girls would compete against, like, the southern girls. And it was fucking crazy. But also, we, the eastern girls would compete against each other, so we also had beef with each other. So it was just like, really complicated and layered. But they, I guess they'd have these, like, little magazines where they'd put photos of, like, the rankings. And she found, like, in 2004, I guess I was number one in girls' doubles in, for the eastern section. And I saw that photo, and I remember, like, the young Hannah, that, like, that was everything.

• 44:38Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 44:39Hannah Berner?

  To be in that little magazine, and my face, and I'm just like, but like, when you're in that magazine, you're like.

• 44:44Paige DeSorbo?

  How old, 2004?

• 44:46Hannah Berner?

  2004.

• 44:47Paige DeSorbo?

  You're what, in like?

• 44:47Hannah Berner?

  I guess I was like 12, 13. Yeah, I was 12.

• 44:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Wow. Time really flies.

• 44:53Hannah Berner?

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• 45:09Paige DeSorbo?

  That's why I'm obsessed with Stars and Honey. They basically looked at protein bars and said, hmm, why are we choosing between something that supports our goals and something we actually want to eat? Each bar has 15 grams of protein and only 4 grams of sugar, but the flavors are giving dessert, honey. Iced lemon cookie, mint chocolate chip, red velvet peanut butter mousse? Hello? Who even knew peanut butter could be a mousse?

• 45:33Hannah Berner?

  Because the best habits are the ones you can actually stick to. And consistency is a lot easier when your better-for-you snack is actually something you crave. Their standard is literally, would you still want to eat it if it weren't a protein bar? And that's the energy I need.

• 45:47Paige DeSorbo?

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• 46:29Paige DeSorbo?

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• 47:14Paige DeSorbo?

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• 47:54Paige DeSorbo?

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• 48:31Hannah Berner?

  One thing about me is with the new season, I like to have a new personality. You never have to stick to one personality, and people don't talk about it enough.

• 48:38Paige DeSorbo?

  No, I, if I'm wearing a hat, I'm a different person. Okay, the weather totally changes how you feel, and it's obviously, like, getting a little cooler out, and I'm a different girl in a turtleneck.

• 48:52Hannah Berner?

  And part of rebranding is getting new clothes, and that's why I love Revolve. They have everything I need to be a completely new person that no one's ever met before. Whether it's denim, such as an angled barrel jean, I'm so different when I'm wearing a barrel jean. People do respect me more.

• 49:09Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm a creative director of somewhere.

• 49:13Hannah Berner?

  Then boots with a little kitten heel or a high heel. When I'm wearing boots, I command a room.

• 49:19Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, and don't get me started on just like, a really good dinner outfit. You get me a new blazer to go out to dinner, I'm having a time.

• 49:27Hannah Berner?

  Hmm, and then people forget that on Revolve, there's also beauty. Um, they have menswear, they have home, and they have Forward Renew, which is pre-owned luxury handbags, and you know how much we love vintage.

• 49:40Paige DeSorbo?

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• 50:05Hannah Berner?

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• 50:30Paige DeSorbo?

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• 51:06Hannah Berner?

  Do you know how I know I'm old? This new thing is happening to me. When I see another girl, especially if she's younger, I like, want to call her a nickname.

• 51:18Paige DeSorbo?

  Don't do that.

• 51:19Hannah Berner?

  Not, not like a, like, hi sweetheart, but like, I want to be like, hi honey. Like, I want, you know?

• 51:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes, yes, yes.

• 51:28Hannah Berner?

  And I've never had that urge, but now I literally want.

• 51:31Paige DeSorbo?

  What age? Starting, like, where are you seeing a girl and you're like?

• 51:34Hannah Berner?

  Maybe like early twenties. I just wanna be like, hi hun, hi babe. Like, I want to baby them. And it's funny, because when you're their age and older women say honey to you, you're like, please don't do that.

• 51:45Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, please don't do that.

• 51:47Hannah Berner?

  It's something that just happens when you're older. You just like wanna give them pet names.

• 51:51Paige DeSorbo?

  Nurture. It's, I think it's mother nature. I think it's our biological clock.

• 51:56Hannah Berner?

  I didn't consciously decide this, though. It just started coming out. I'd be like, hi, honey.

• 52:00Paige DeSorbo?

  I think it's the thing that men try to weaponize against us.

• 52:02Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, I'm trying to take it, take it back.

• 52:05Paige DeSorbo?

  That's how I feel, honestly, sometimes watching certain reality shows where the girls are so much younger. I'm like, oh, but I like, I need to message her. Do you know how many times I've had to stop myself from DMing people on reality TV that are younger than me? And honestly, I, I haven't, I don't stop myself sometimes.

• 52:27Hannah Berner?

  Oh, I, I said, I fully DM people.

• 52:29Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, sometimes they actually do need to hear from me.

• 52:32Hannah Berner?

  Going through, it's gonna be okay.

• 52:33Paige DeSorbo?

  There was one girl I wanted to DM like a couple of years ago and just be like, don't let him gaslight you. Don't you dare. But I was like, I can't get in. I can't get involved. I can't get involved.

• 52:44Hannah Berner?

  Not to tease, but my reality show that I'm hosting, there were moments where I was like trying to make eye contact with one of the girls. And I was literally, at one point, I looked at her and I'm like, you're right, like, you're right. Like, I was giving them, like, I was trying to coach them through my eyes, because like, definitely not part of the job description for me to like take sides. But I was like, girl, look at me, you're good, you're good. Don't talk anymore, you're good. Don't say anything, they're trying to get it out of you.

• 53:08Paige DeSorbo?

  I think one of the reasons I don't do it more often is because I'm like, oh, what if she like screenshots this and posts this and, and like,

• 53:15Hannah Berner?

  How many times do you write it out and then delete it?

• 53:18Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm, oh, so many times where I'm like, girl, do not, under any circumstances.

• 53:25Hannah Berner?

  Because I've felt moments where I've wanted to like write whole paragraphs to Whitney from, well, Housewives Mormon Wives.

• 53:36Hannah Berner?

  Slow, what is it? Slow Mormon Wives, the secrets?

• 53:40Paige DeSorbo?

  The secrets of the-

• 53:41Hannah Berner?

  Why is it so many fucking words?

• 53:43Paige DeSorbo?

  No, it's really, it's, it's actually infuriating. The secret lives of Mormon wives. I want whoever, whoever put that through and said, yeah, this is the name, come to the front, because what were you thinking?

• 54:01Hannah Berner?

  So that's coming out, but like, there's a lot of drama with it, right?

• 54:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, I don't even know. I'm not even, I'm not in the know.

• 54:08Hannah Berner?

  Wait, I feel like it's coming out like today.

• 54:10Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, is it? I feel like, did I, I didn't even see any promo.

• 54:13Hannah Berner?

  There's something weird with it.

• 54:15Paige DeSorbo?

  Oh, honestly, amazing, because, oh, I'm gonna make breakfast.

• 54:19Hannah Berner?

  I know, you're like suddenly have a purpose.

• 54:22Paige DeSorbo?

  Have a pep in my step. Um, you wanna know something, though? That I think is a good learning lesson for us, because we are getting older and we do have these urges to reach out. We have an urge for human connection.

• 54:43Paige DeSorbo?

  We've been virtual for too long.

• 54:45Hannah Berner?

  We forgot that we could actually sit together for this podcast. We haven't been in the same place.

• 54:49Paige DeSorbo?

  We haven't been in the same place. Starting in the beginning of October, that's it, we're back.

• 54:55Hannah Berner?

  You're gonna be so sick of us at the table together.

• 54:57Paige DeSorbo?

  We're coming to the table.

• 54:58Hannah Berner?

  Elbows on the table, baby.

• 55:00Paige DeSorbo?

  We keep coming up with spinoff shows.

• 55:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Now, what was I saying? What was I saying?

• 55:06Hannah Berner?

  That we're yearning for human connection.

• 55:11Paige DeSorbo?

  As we yearn for human connection, I think one of the, the, one of the most amazing things about getting older is you get that urge to reach out to someone who may be younger, do it. Like, I think that is the whole point. So like, sometimes when I do stop myself, I mean, I stop myself for like different reasons, because like, it could get into the wrong hands. But like, if I'm in person with someone and a girl brings something up to me, I'm grabbing her hand and I'm giving it to her straight, like,

• 55:42Hannah Berner?

  Well, if you could change someone's life, do it.

• 55:45Paige DeSorbo?

  I'll get a lot of normal DMs of like boyfriend and girlfriends fighting, and they'll give me the scenario, should I break up with them? And I don't respond to some of them, because I'm like, this is normal, you're gonna figure it out, I'm not worried about you. But sometimes I'll get like a really insane one from a girl, and I'm, and I'm like, if I don't respond, this could be the whole rest of her life.

• 56:06Hannah Berner?

  She could have kids with this man.

• 56:08Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, there was one, I, I can't even like really remember the details, but I was like,

• 56:12Hannah Berner?

  Get out.

• 56:13Paige DeSorbo?

  Get out. If you don't get out by tomorrow, like, message me.

• 56:18Hannah Berner?

  I do get messages from girls where they're like, I know I should leave, I know I should leave. And I feel like they just send it to me. Where I know that they're just like, if Hannah responds, it's like, they already know they should leave. So then I just go, yeah, you know what you're doing. Like, I'll just like agree, kind of like what psychics do, where they're like, yes, you're, you're on your path.

• 56:37Paige DeSorbo?

  And, it's very improv.

• 56:39Hannah Berner?

  It's very improv. It's very, but also, my favorite, though, is people being like, I, I found this cat in the driveway, should I keep it? And I'm like, yes, here's an Amazon list for all the things you need to buy. It's really not, it's, it's affordable, like, just wet food, I got you, I'll help you name it, I'll help you raise it. Also, a thing with getting older, you know when you're younger and like your aunt says stuff to you and you're like, why would you say that? Like, do you know even little things, like you're at a family reunion and someone comes up to you and they're like, can I sit next to you? And you're like, yeah, sit, like, I don't give a fuck, sit, like, why are you asking? And then I'm literally going up to Lois. No, but you know what? Everyone's like, is it okay if I sit next to you? Is this seat taken?

• 57:20Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah.

• 57:21Hannah Berner?

  And you're just like, yeah, why are you even asking?

• 57:22Paige DeSorbo?

  No, you old bag, sit down.

• 57:25Hannah Berner?

  But then, I'm literally like Lois will be like finger painting, and there's like a seat next to her, and

• 57:32Hannah Berner?

  I don't know where it comes from, it's like a guttural thing, I just go, can I sit next to you? And she looks at me, she's like, bitch, sit down, I don't give a fuck. I don't give a fuck.

• 57:44Hannah Berner?

  Bitch, why are you asking? Sit the fuck down. And I'm like, is it okay if Auntie Hannah may spllop a squat next to you?

• 57:53Hannah Berner?

  Is this seat taken, Lolo?

• 57:57Hannah Berner?

  I am, every older person that asks me weird shit, I'm do-

• 58:02Paige DeSorbo?

  You got so big. You got, you're big.

• 58:06Hannah Berner?

  Stop saying that to people. You were so little and now you're so big, you know shit.

• 58:14Paige DeSorbo?

  I think Lois is a really good reminder for us that like, we're not geriatric. We're not moms yet, we have to remember, like,

• 58:24Hannah Berner?

  Get it together.

• 58:25Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, get it together.

• 58:26Hannah Berner?

  It was Lois's birthday yesterday, she's four years old.

• 58:30Paige DeSorbo?

  Time flies.

• 58:31Hannah Berner?

  And Jeannie's TikToks have been going viral.

• 58:33Paige DeSorbo?

  When you're unemployed, truly.

• 58:36Hannah Berner?

  I wanted to text her so bad, happy birthday. Like, I, I searched Lois in my phone. And then I'm like, oh, I have to go through her mom. I'm like, Jeannie, give me the phone, get the phone to Lois.

• 58:47Paige DeSorbo?

  I know you're her legal guardian, but can you pass the phone?

• 58:52Hannah Berner?

  Also, she was just stuffing her face with spaghetti. I'm like, you're so, you're such a giggler.

• 58:58Paige DeSorbo?

  That's so, such a birthday energy.

• 59:01Hannah Berner?

  Because we come up with business ideas on this pod, I was like, Jeannie, I have the best fucking idea, like the best invention. Because the, the, they'll eat their spaghetti and then it's, they take the phone, it gets everywhere, their spaghetti all over the house they were staying at.

• 59:17Paige DeSorbo?

  Why is that? Do, am I delusional that I think like,

• 59:21Hannah Berner?

  Your kid's gonna be neat?

• 59:24Hannah Berner?

  Your kid's gonna know how to use a fork and knife out of the womb.

• 59:26Paige DeSorbo?

  I just think I'm like so delusional, not my, not maybe my son, no, how misogynistic of me. Oh my god. No, I just think that my daughter's gonna come out, like, perfect.

• 59:39Hannah Berner?

  What are the classes they take to like know, know how to use which fork to use? She won't have to take them, she just knows.

• 59:44Paige DeSorbo?

  Like etiquette, she teaches them. She's a four-year-old baby genius. She's like, Tuck, you're sure done. Obviously, it's gonna happen, I'm gonna have kids and they're gonna make a mess, but I just feel like my daughter's gonna be like the least messy of the messy kids.

• 1:00:01Hannah Berner?

  The gigglers are on, cannot wait to see what comes out of you, because there's a fifty-fifty chance.

• 1:00:08Paige DeSorbo?

  And neither can I.

• 1:00:09Hannah Berner?

  Oh yeah, I was like, spaghetti is, and the red sauce, it gets everywhere. I'm like, what if we invented a sauce that didn't die close? And she was like, yeah, it's called pasta with butter. And I'm like, you're fucking good.

• 1:00:25Paige DeSorbo?

  I thought you were like gonna try and take the red. I'm like, how are we taking the red out of tomato? And that is just clear, and that's, it's disgusting.

• 1:00:35Hannah Berner?

  Oil?

• 1:00:38Hannah Berner?

  But no, like, kids' favorite food is like the most diabolical, it gets everywhere, the marinara sauce. That's the one thing Italians need to work on.

• 1:00:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Pasta with butter, I mean, I'll always come back to her.

• 1:00:52Hannah Berner?

  Do you put a little Parmesan on it, or no?

• 1:00:54Paige DeSorbo?

  A little.

• 1:00:55Hannah Berner?

  Oh, you, you, you drown it.

• 1:00:58Paige DeSorbo?

  Honey, I'm using so much butter and Parmesan cheese, your head would spin. Yeah, it's almost like inedible.

• 1:01:07Hannah Berner?

  I love that.

• 1:01:09Paige DeSorbo?

  It's the best.

• 1:01:10Hannah Berner?

  I love that.

• 1:01:11Paige DeSorbo?

  I don't know if this is on your algorithm, and it's probably not, but I feel like it's going a little bit viral, but there's this like teenage boy, I think he's a teenage boy. Honestly, I haven't looked into it, but he said that he, he made like a serious video that like he thinks he could beat like a chimpanzee in a fight.

• 1:01:30Hannah Berner?

  Also, why are you trying to hurt an animal?

• 1:01:33Paige DeSorbo?

  All these people were like stitching the video, like, in no situation, like, could you beat a chimpanzee? And I feel like it's becoming the new, like, I can land a plane. Like, you really think I couldn't land a plane? Like, I could land this plane? And I don't know why I'd, and I almost think my comment got deleted.

• 1:01:54Hannah Berner?

  What did you say?

• 1:01:55Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, he made like a follow-up video of like, no, this is why I could beat a chimpanzee, and I just commented, then do it.

• 1:02:05Paige DeSorbo?

  Quit making TikToks about it and like do it.

• 1:02:09Hannah Berner?

  Of Planet of the Apes, okay?

• 1:02:13Hannah Berner?

  Tell them to watch Planet of the Apes. The world is gonna be run by apes cuz all the men tried to fight them and apes were like, what are you doing?

• 1:02:19Paige DeSorbo?

  But one of the reasons I love when things like this happen on the internet, when these like niche random videos are like viral, is because some of the comments are so funny. And somebody commented, and I don't know why this made me laugh so hard, but he was like, "A chimp would absolutely park you, dude." Like, and I-

• 1:02:37Hannah Berner?

  You just mentioned a chimp being like, "Let me go, bro. Let me go."

• 1:02:40Paige DeSorbo?

  And it's like, "He would put you in the ground." Like, there's-

• 1:02:44Hannah Berner?

  Also, what's with the violence, like?

• 1:02:47Paige DeSorbo?

  No, men, like, that's how they measure, I think. I think that's something in their own insecurity to like, measure their worth based on how strong physically they are.

• 1:02:58Hannah Berner?

  The other thing I like about older men is, like, scientifically, their testosterone is leveling out.

• 1:03:03Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. I would say I have the same amount of testosterone as

• 1:03:10Paige DeSorbo?

  any man in their 40s.

• 1:03:12Hannah Berner?

  You are just a 40-year-old man.

• 1:03:15Paige DeSorbo?

  I low-key am. It's actually gross.

• 1:03:18Hannah Berner?

  Speaking of testosterone. Actually, that's, this is not a segue. I was trying, but I can't, I can't yes-end it. I'm a little nervous about the fashion show tomorrow cuz there's something about when I'm with you in a public setting, I get giddy. Do you know when I get like, all excited, I'm talking to everyone? And when I'm at the show, like, I feel like I'm gonna cheer.

• 1:03:40Paige DeSorbo?

  Dare I say, we drowned out the noise. It's just you and I when we're there.

• 1:03:45Hannah Berner?

  Do you have any rules for me etiquette-wise? Cuz I don't wanna embarrass you in front of people. Like, I know I do, but it's-

• 1:03:50Paige DeSorbo?

  Well, you can't cheer.

• 1:03:52Hannah Berner?

  But like, if I like something, I can't be like, "Yes, honey."

• 1:03:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Okay.

• 1:03:56Hannah Berner?

  "Yes."

• 1:03:58Paige DeSorbo?

  This is actually a really good debate that I don't think I've seen anyone truly talk about. I think you have to go with the vibe of the show.

• 1:04:07Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, you, it's like the US Open, like, see what other people are doing and follow the salmon.

• 1:04:12Paige DeSorbo?

  It's more like, it has to be an internal vibe check of like, I could yell right now and it would be received well. I would never, even if it was.

• 1:04:23Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:24Paige DeSorbo?

  Do you know what I mean?

• 1:04:25Hannah Berner?

  Yes.

• 1:04:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, I'm never sitting at a runway show and yelling.

• 1:04:29Hannah Berner?

  But like, if you make eye contact with a model that you know.

• 1:04:32Paige DeSorbo?

  I smile. But I'm clapping, I'm always clapping. I'm not not cheering them on.

• 1:04:37Hannah Berner?

  I'm like, "That's my girl!"

• 1:04:39Paige DeSorbo?

  I'm not like, sitting at them and being like, "That's your walk." Like, no, I'm cheering, but I'm not, but I'm not making it vocal. I think that's, I think it's a little like-

• 1:04:50Hannah Berner?

  It's the sports in me, where it's like, you have to, you're like, "Yes, let's go, babe, come on!"

• 1:04:56Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, one time I was at a fashion show and it was, like-

• 1:04:58Hannah Berner?

  Sorry for yelling.

• 1:04:59Paige DeSorbo?

  Very, very intimate. Like, it was not a lot of people at all. There was like two separate rooms.

• 1:05:05Hannah Berner?

  You're like, "It was a dinner."

• 1:05:06Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah. It was an event where people were eating. And this one girl was like yelling the whole time, and I'm like, "It's not even the vibe here."

• 1:05:16Hannah Berner?

  You could just say my name.

• 1:05:22Hannah Berner?

  But this is the thing with fashion shows, the music's loud. Like, when we went to Michael Kors, it was loud. I, I, I think cuz it's not my first, it was just my first show, I was unaware that people like, don't react.

• 1:05:35Paige DeSorbo?

  Like, if I'm at the Victoria's Secret Fashion Show, yes.

• 1:05:37Hannah Berner?

  You're yelling, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, we don't have to be on a win tour. When people walk down, you don't have to like, have a poker face.

• 1:05:45Paige DeSorbo?

  But also, I'm rarely raising my, I'm rarely-

• 1:05:49Hannah Berner?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:49Paige DeSorbo?

  Name another situation where I'm yelling.

• 1:05:52Hannah Berner?

  Like, you've, you've literally yelled at men and there's not gonna be any like, men there.

• 1:05:55Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's it. I'm only raising my voice at a man. In any other situation, I'm not yelling. I'm not making, no.

• 1:06:02Hannah Berner?

  Yeah, that's such a good point. So, but also, like, Michael Kors, this is the third year they've invited me, so like, I clearly haven't offended anyone. I'm, love them to death, I love the team, love Michael. Like, sometimes it's good to be in the background.

• 1:06:17Paige DeSorbo?

  In certain situations, yes.

• 1:06:18Hannah Berner?

  You're really good. You know when to step back.

• 1:06:21Paige DeSorbo?

  Yeah, sometimes I'm like, "I'm actually leaving. I'm so in the background, I'm going home."

• 1:06:24Hannah Berner?

  Sometimes it's okay to be an extra.

• 1:06:26Paige DeSorbo?

  Before we leave, I just wanted to say, um, Daphne is launching a, the St. Jude t-shirt because I am the Childhood Cancer Awareness Ambassador. And I've partnered with St. Jude and we're gonna do like, a bunch of different things throughout the year. But the first thing was Daphne making this t-shirt, so they're going, they should be online today, and-

• 1:06:51Hannah Berner?

  Is it a Hannity?

• 1:06:52Paige DeSorbo?

  It's a Hannity with the St. Jude logo, and I just have to tell this like, really quick story because like, I love Daphne, the label, and the cat. But, because there's so many different things that happen that are fun and just like funny that you're just like, in what world? So, we were like mocking up this t-shirt and we were like, doing different things, and at one point, we like, wrote like, "Okay, St. Jude logo here," and we're like, "Okay, let's see like, how that would look, let's like, make it." And when we got it back, it said, "St. Jude logo here."

• 1:07:23Hannah Berner?

  Okay, Nike once did a like tennis thing where it said like, "Logo here," and it was like iconic. It's kinda like the Marc Jacobs where they were like, "The tote bag."

• 1:07:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Yes.

• 1:07:33Hannah Berner?

  So, maybe it's like, look, someone-

• 1:07:37Paige DeSorbo?

  And I was like, "I don't know if this is gonna work," but there were just so many funny things like that that will happen at Daphne, but-

• 1:07:44Hannah Berner?

  And that's a startup, baby.

• 1:07:45Paige DeSorbo?

  And that's a startup. And I'm so excited about this because when I first started Daphne, I was like, thinking about what charity would make the most sense for us to partner with, and someone, something happened and someone had said "St. Jude," and I was like, "That's so weird." I have an email from someone from St. Jude for something so different, and it just felt very like, universe telling me, so I like, reached out to them and we partnered together, and so I'm really excited about this t-shirt.

• 1:08:16Hannah Berner?

  I love that so much, and because it's the Hannity, let me know any events I can come to to represent my, my brand.

• 1:08:23Paige DeSorbo?

  And your involvement.

• 1:08:24Hannah Berner?

  Um, well, that's amazing. Um, final question, shout out, shout out St. Jude, is, um, fringe for fall, are we doing it or not?

• 1:08:33Paige DeSorbo?

  Fringe for fall? I feel like fringes always fall for fall.

• 1:08:38Hannah Berner?

  Okay, it's not, it's not too whimsical? Like, you know, if you like, turn and like, hit someone with your fringe, like, is it too much?

• 1:08:44Paige DeSorbo?

  No, you can do fringe.

• 1:08:46Hannah Berner?

  Okay.

• 1:08:46Paige DeSorbo?

  Here's what I'll say, I haven't bought anything fringe yet. But go off, pop off, queen.

• 1:08:52Hannah Berner?

  Okay. You heard it, you heard it from the source. Um, guys, we love you so much. Have an amazing weekend. I'll see you at the US Open. I'm there all weekend.

• 1:09:04Paige DeSorbo?

  Two days in a row.

• 1:09:07Hannah Berner?

  Love you guys, talk to you later, bye.

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