CIA Targets Tucker + Trump's WARNING To NATO | PBD #760

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick break down President Trump's bold claim that the US obliterated every military target on Iran's Kharg Island, insider White House drama like JD Vance's Iran skepticism, the Tucker Carlson-Piers Morgan feud with Ben Shapiro, and Joe Rogan's Hollywood blasts on fake people and groupthink politics. ------ 👍 LIKE AND SUBSCRIBE! Ⓜ️ CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4kSVkso⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4kSVkso Ⓜ️ PBD PODCAST CIRCLES: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4mAWQAP 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4lzQph2⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4lzQph2 🥃 BOARDROOM CIGAR LOUNGE: ⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4pzLEXj 💬 TEXT US: TEXT “PODCAST” TO 310-340-1132 TO GET THE LATEST UPDATES IN REAL-TIME! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 10:34Speaker 00

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• 10:43Speaker 01

  Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 10:51Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 10:52Speaker 01

  My son's right about you. I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 11:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, hope you had a good weekend. Uh, we got a lot of stuff going on to talk about. I know one of them is some good news for some of you guys that were having a hard time with the cost of renunciating your citizenship of $2,400. I, I suggested they make it free, but they're giving a massive, massive 80% discount to those who hate America and want to go to a different country. Life-changing news to those that want to leave America. Big news. Give a shout out to Marco Rubio for giving that discount to you. I was hoping he would go full 100%. I don't want to say the word. Yeah. I was hoping he would go full 100%, but he didn't. He went 80%. It is what it is. Sometimes you gotta kind of, uh, be thankful for any discount you get. So for those of

• 11:43Patrick Bet-David?

  you that have friends and family who always talk about how much they hate America, share that article with them. Life-changing from $2,350 to $450. We are a business podcast. We're all about saving money. This saves you $1,900 for some of you guys that want to leave this place. There's some, some stuff that's going on this weekend with NATO. President Trump comes out and warns NATO, presses China to help repeat Strait of Hormuz, reopen Strait of Hormuz. Uh, this is from Reuters. And by the way, it's, he's almost saying he's not going to meet with Xi. End of the month, Tom and I were talking about this. If they don't participate and help out, which is kind of weird to do that. And who knows

• 12:27Patrick Bet-David?

  how much leverage? You know, the president knows the, you know, rules of leverage. Who knows how much of the leverage he's using behind closed doors, but we'll talk about that. Of course, we're going to spend about an hour and a half today's podcast talking about Oscars. No, we're not. There was an Oscar last night. Uh, what's more important in Oscars is three people that won Oscar in our lives here. One of them is Sawyer Gargulio. It's your birthday today. That's Rob's son. Happy birthday to you. Oscar-winning for this, for this group. Number two, Veronique. Vero. Oshana. Happy birthday to you as well, Vinnie's sister. And last but not least, Merle Kishian Beckian, Oscar winner.

• 13:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Happy birthday. Happy birthday. Oscar, Maral, Kishian, Becky, and happy birthday to you. Shout out to Tico as well. Yeah, that's right. We got something going on with Tucker. Tucker came out and dropped a video that got 24 million views saying the CIA is watching his text messages he had when he was talking to folks in Iran. It's a lot of different things, you know, people are speculating what could happen. Could he get arrested? Could something happen to him? Laura Loomer is involved. Then Candace and, not Candace, Meghan and Mark Levin got into it and it got so, I don't want to talk about the macro and the micro, but it got so like, really, did you see like the

• 13:52Patrick Bet-David?

  comments about micro, not microeconomics, but It wasn't microeconomics. Micro dangleings. I mean, this stuff got personal very quickly. But we'll show that to the point that the president had to put out a long, one of his long, you know, novels that he tweets out. He put one for Mark Levin. We'll talk about that. Reaction from the audience, because I know Adam's very close with Mark. So we'll talk about that. And then Ben Shapiro, Pierce, Tucker, some conversations there as well. And then what else do I have here? Israel saying they're putting boots on the ground in Lebanon. The war so far has cost $21 billion to all the people that are taxpayers. Wondering how much you have to pay up? That bill is coming here very soon. $21 billion thus far. And then aside from

• 14:34Patrick Bet-David?

  that, Iran might be, Iran war might be the least popular conflict in modern US history. This is Daily Caller. Trump says many countries will send warships to patrol Strait of Hormuz. Pentagon sending assault ship, at least 2,500 Marines towards Iran as US works to reopen Strait of Hormuz while oil prices spike. I think it's at 95. Crude oil was 90. Tom, am I saying it correctly? Or 95-ish this morning? 94, down, down three this morning. Okay, 94. Dow was up a point. Everything pre-market is around a half to a point. Yeah, so we'll see. We'll see how it opens up here in a minute. JD Vance's response to report.

• 15:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Oppose Iran war behind closed doors. And what else we got here? It's not just oil. Here comes Hormuz inflation. Uh, US oil groups in line for 63 billion dollar windfall from uh, Gulf War disruption. Meta eyes massive. You ready? Meta doesn't want to lay off 100 people, not 1,000 people. 20% What? Of the workforce. Cut. As AI infrastructure costs continue to soar across operations report. 16,000 something? 20% of their employees. They're laying off. Because of AI cost? That's what they're saying. I mean, listen. We'll get into it and maybe other things. Everybody's blaming AI. Yeah. Oh, I had a layoff. It must be AI.

• 16:02Patrick Bet-David?

  We got a, we got a few other things to get into. Maybe we'll show something. One clip from one of the Oscar winners yesterday that talked about moms and family, which thank God somebody's talking about that there. And we have a few other stories that we'll get into as well. Eight sightings of Bigfoot. Uh, in four days, reports of 10 foot tall beasts making grunting noises. So this is eight sightings. By the way, there's so many jokes with this one here. I mean, you have to realize. Yeah, we were able to find Khamenei and kill him and 50 guys. We were able to find a lot of people. But we're having a hard time finding this Bigfoot guy. We found Osama bin Laden. Maybe we should ask, you know, somebody, we should say he's an anti Semite.

• 16:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Messiah, Messiah will find him. We'll find him real quick, Pat. If we just say. We'll find him real quick. I think Bigfoot hates anybody that's from the Israel Jewish community. Oh, right. Within a week, they're gonna find him. He's gonna get targeted. He'll have a gold pager. So listen, by the way, that rumor got started here. We started the rumor. If you hear in the next week that Bigfoot is out. Our apologies, or maybe the other way around, because everybody wants to find out where this guy lives. All right, having said that, let's just get right into the stories. Uh, which story should we start off with? Let's start off with the story. Let's go with this. Trump warns NATO presses China to help reopen Strait of Hormuz. What does this really mean? Uh, Tom's got some thoughts. Tom, Rob, if you want to play the clip and then I'll read the story.

• 17:30Speaker 03

  Like as an example, many cases in NATO countries.

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• 18:33Speaker 03

  We're always there for NATO. We're helping them with Ukraine. As many as it's got an ocean in between us. Doesn't affect us, but we've helped them. It'd be interesting to see what country wouldn't help us with a very small endeavor, which is just keeping the strait open. And by comparison, it's small. It's small because Iran has very little firepower left.

• 18:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so to read this.

• 19:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Trump warned NATO of a very bad future if allies do not help open up the Strait of Hormuz and said he may also delay a planned summit with President Xi. In comments published in Financial Times on Sunday, I think China could help too, because China gets 90% of its oil from straits, Trump told the newspaper, adding he would prefer to know Beijing's position before the planned visit. We may delay. He set up the trip. Scott Besant and Chinese Vice Premier. He, Lifeng. I thought it meant like his lifeline, but that's actually his name. He, H E, L I F V N G, Lifeng. Lifeng. Lifeng. This is not like the salination. This is something of the salination. We're not talking about that.

• 19:48Patrick Bet-David?

  This is literally how his name is spelled. Rob, can you please highlight the name so everybody can see how his name is highlighted right there? It's almost like he's living his best life like he lifeing. And zoom in as close as possible. Zoom in if you can. He Li Fang. Um, great name. I mean, it's really a great name if you think about it. Wrapped up the first of two days of talks in Paris on Sunday to iron out kinks in their trade, their truce. And clear path for Trump's trip to Beijing to meet with Xi. It's only appropriate that people who are the beneficiaries of the strait will help to make sure that nothing bad happens there. Tom thoughts?

• 20:22Tom Ellsworth?

  So over the, over the weekend, yeah, I was kind of disturbed by this because we've been holding a strong leadership position. Trump's been holding a strong leadership position. And then over the weekend, it's like he opens it up in three directions. The first thing he says, um, I think China should, um, help us as you pointed out. I think they need to weigh in. They need to get their oil from Straits of Hormuz. They need to exert their own pressure. Hey, let the oil go through. The second thing he does with China is doesn't just ask that. And he says, and I need to know what's going on before we do the summit next week. Otherwise I'm not going to do the summit. So he says, Benny, I'm going to call off the summit. These are important economic summits. We're trying to make it the ball rolling with China.

• 21:05Tom Ellsworth?

  We're trying to get economic agreements and things in place, you know, and keep our eye on them with Taiwan. The third thing he did is he reaches out to NATO and he says, hey, you know, you guys, uh, you guys should weigh in as well. Um, what, you know, I want to know where you stand. Are you supporting us and do you, can you put some diplomatic?

• 21:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you have a problem with that? Do you have a problem with that ask?

• 21:26Tom Ellsworth?

  So I don't have a problem with the ask in normal circumstances. But you went in, we went in to do this, and now it feels like we need other people's help. When the tone we had, Pat, for the first 10 days, we got this, we're taking care of it. We have a structured plan. Here we go. And now it feels like maybe things are getting a little bit not as certain and we need some help here. And so that's what I'm, that's what I'm a little bit concerned about. It's like, are we reaching out for help even trying to influence China? I mean, on, on something that was ours and, uh, the. That we need to mop up.

• 22:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Here, here's how I process this, Tom. I, I, I'm not a fan of NATO in the first place. Let me tell you why.

• 22:12Tom Ellsworth?

  I don't trust them.

• 22:13Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but the point is, why did we start it? Why, why did NATO get started? The fear of who?

• 22:17Tom Ellsworth?

  Russia.

• 22:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Soviet, Soviet Union.

• 22:19Tom Ellsworth?

  And missiles in the seventies.

• 22:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Alright, and how much money do we give them every year?

• 22:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Too much.

• 22:24Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but you know what, Rob, can you pull up what we give them every year? NATO's annual budget is 3.8 billion. US shares 16%. Why?

• 22:32Tom Ellsworth?

  For what?

• 22:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Why, why are we giving 16%? And by the way, we give you 16% and you want to come out and say, you know, you don't want to support, what, what does Spain contribute? What does Spain contribute? I'm curious.

• 22:45Tom Ellsworth?

  Besides 500?

• 22:46Patrick Bet-David?

  What does Spain contribute towards this?

• 22:47Tom Ellsworth?

  That's just the fees, Pat. Remember the support's another...

• 22:51Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, I know that on top, I was about to read it. On top of that, the military support that we offer, the defense support that we offer, the 100,000 US troops that are stationed in Europe that we offer, we're paying for all of that, right? So, and you don't want to back us up if we're making the ask? How often do we make asks? Actually, can you, Rob, can you pull up the top 10 times US has asked NATO for favors? Top 10 times US has asked NATO for favors. How often do we ask them for favors?

• 23:20Tom Ellsworth?

  It was definitely after 9/11. That was the first time I think we implemented Article 5, I want to say.

• 23:24Patrick Bet-David?

  However, how many, how many times?

• 23:25Tom Ellsworth?

  I think that was the one major time.

• 23:27Patrick Bet-David?

  I think in crisis times, I, I would be surprised if there is more than four or five actual crises. So then if that's the case, if we're doing this, hey, we need you to be with us. We're your biggest contributor to your fund. Every year until President showed up, they're like, how much money are you putting in? I just looked up right now how Spain contributes and Spain came out and said, we're not going to be doing anything. You know, you can't fly over us. They pay 5% to 6% of NATO's budget. Okay, which is 150 to 200 million dollars per year. How big is Spain's military? How does Spain help NATO be safer? How does Spain help Europe be safer? I, I don't know when you, when you hear some of this stuff and they don't want to defend it. The reality of war is, here's how war works. In my, my opinion.

• 24:10Patrick Bet-David?

  You say you're gonna go to war, you got all these plans, you have all this stuff, you get as much intel as you want, right? And then, it's the actual war. Then what happens? Well, you can train all you want against somebody, you're gonna fight him, and then you're fighting, you're like, "Oh my god, I wasn't expecting that."

• 24:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:24Patrick Bet-David?

  What was that all about? Right? So to me, there is some, some weird things that's happening with the war, that they did not expect, that for him to not come asking NATO, and by the way, if he's saying this publicly, if he's saying this publicly, Tom, which is what? "I think China should help too, because China gets 90% of its oil from the Strait of Hormuz," Trump told the newspaper, adding, "He would prefer to know Beijing's position before the planned visit." Visit. Let, let me read that one more time. "He would prefer to know Beijing's position before the planned visit."

• 25:01Tom Ellsworth?

  Or the summit.

• 25:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Right. What does that mean, though?

• 25:04Tom Ellsworth?

  That's what he said in the paper. The phone call was probably a little bit more direct.

• 25:07Patrick Bet-David?

  But, but, but that, if he's saying this publicly, "He would prefer to know Beijing's position before the planned visit," that means he doesn't know their position.

• 25:16Tom Ellsworth?

  That's right.

• 25:16Patrick Bet-David?

  That means when he's having the call, "Are you with us, are you with them?" He doesn't. You know what Macron said yesterday? Macron came out and said, "I called President Peshkyn from Iran, and I told him, 'Hey, stop messing around with Strait of Hormuz, or else.'" What's Macron publicly saying to Trump?

• 25:32Tom Ellsworth?

  "I'm with you."

• 25:34Patrick Bet-David?

  "I'm with you."

• 25:35Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep.

• 25:35Patrick Bet-David?

  And Trump is trying to find out, "Hey, China, before I come to you and we do any of these deals, are you with us, or are you with Iran?" I actually think he's, he's leveraging NATO as a way to see what position China's gonna take. I, I understand, it's probably not as, uh, uh, uh, what, and by the way, push back if you have a different position. What other way do you see it?

• 25:55Tom Ellsworth?

  I think, I think you're right. My point was independence. We looked like we had a strong, independent voice, now we're rallying people, and while he may be using this, and, and, and, and using it in the right way to get the right leverage and the right phone calls, you know, we looked real independent and strong, and now it looks like we need our friends.

• 26:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, there, there is, from day one, we needed friends. From day one. I mean, you, you, you know, this is, this has been with Israel, then Gulf's been involved, then other people have been involved. I don't think this been, eh, this has been an alone project from day one. Has it been?

• 26:27Tom Ellsworth?

  No. Well, here's my thing.

• 26:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Do, has, eh, do you, did you think this was an alone project from day one?

• 26:34Tom Ellsworth?

  No, we were, eh, we weren't even getting verbal support from NATO, especially Spain. So I don't know that, did we go alone? No, but there was not full-throated support for this. Everybody was like, I can't believe you're doing this.

• 26:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, that part I agree with, that part I agree with, but guess what? He called the shots. Now what? He's the president. There's consequences with elections. If a guy gets elected and they go to these different events and they realize this is not a Biden, would Biden, guess what they do? It's the other way around. They tell Biden what to do. This time it's a new president coming in and he's telling other people what to do and they're not used to that. Like, wait a minute, we're typically accustomed to telling you guys what to do, but you don't seem to be afraid of it. Yeah, here's what I need you guys to do. Adam, your thoughts?

• 27:20Adam Sosnick?

  So ultimately this comes down to Iran, you know? Uh, the one word I think of when I think of Iran, it's hostage. You know, they came in in 1979 and held how many of our citizens hostage?

• 27:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Four forty-four.

• 27:32Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, so they came in in 1979 and held

• 27:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you fact check that?

• 27:35Adam Sosnick?

  Four hundred to five hundred of our own citizens hostage. And now what they're doing for leverage is holding the world hostage. So that starts with this Hormuz thing, that starts with oil, that starts with energy.

• 27:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Fifty-two for four hundred and forty-four days.

• 27:48Adam Sosnick?

  Okay. And then it ends to the supply chain. Remind me where we used to hear the supply chain, supply chain, supply chain, all during COVID. But if they didn't expect this from Iran, then they went in a little naive. I would like to think that they knew, all right, what are the options Iran has? They, I don't know if they expected them to attack their own neighbors. I don't know if they expected that. Oh gee, that caught them maybe off guard. Uh, did they expect them to use this Strait of Hormuz as, as leverage? Well, if according to one of the, uh, top insiders who was on Meet the Press with, uh, Kristen Welker this weekend, they expected this. They said, what's the highest gas prices we've ever had in America?

• 28:32Adam Sosnick?

  Well, it was in 2022 when gas went up to five bucks during the time that Russia invaded Ukraine. So money, power, respect, this was all that comes down to. Look, at the end of the day, it's this. Iran is the bad guy. And we could kick the can down the road, or we can deal with this now. And Trump, and I respect the hell out of him, he's dealing with this now. Because who knows who the next administration's gonna be? Who next, who knows who the next president's gonna be? And if you don't deal with Iran now, you're gonna be dealing with Iran for the next 10, 20, 50 years. And ultimately, this is my biggest fear, if I could just land this plane.

• 29:11Adam Sosnick?

  Do we want a nuclear armed jihadist regime in the middle of the world? You know, they talk about, what's a case example here? North Korea. North Korea, they called, you know what they call North Korea? The hermit kingdom. Because they're all the way on the other side of the world with nukes. They don't really affect geopolitics to an extreme, but we know what that's like dealing with North Korea. Could you imagine a North Korea with jihadist tendencies, funding terror with nukes? At the end of the day, if we don't deal with this now, our kids or our grandpa, our grandkids are gonna be dealing with this. And the debate is over, we're dealing with it now? It's just now, what are the next steps?

• 29:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, i- it's, it's fair what you're saying. And by the way, this leads to what Iran Foreign Minister came out, two things that was mentioned on the Foreign Minister's call. One of them was about the nuclear conversation. And the other one was about the fact that any country, this is what they said, Rob, if you got the clip. "Any country except for US and Israel can pass through the Strait of Hormuz," Iranian Foreign Minister says. Uh, this is a New York Post story.

• 30:16Patrick Bet-David?

  So Iran, is this it, Rob?

• 30:17Adam Sosnick?

  Yes, sir.

• 30:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it.

• 30:20Speaker 07

  Well, as a matter of fact, the Strait of Hormuz is open. It is only closed to the tankers and ships belonging to the, to our enemies, to those who are attacking us and their allies. Others are free to pass. Uh, of course, many of them prefer not because of their, you know, security concerns. This, this has nothing to do with us. And at the same time, there are many tankers and ships who are passing through the Strait of Hormuz. And, and, and I can say that the Strait is not closed, but it is only closed to American, Israeli, uh, you know, ships and tankers, uh, and not to, to others.

• 31:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom.

• 31:06Tom Ellsworth?

  So, I think this is your classic bluff. And it's like, alright, all these tankers can go through, except these. All of these tankers are like, registered, they don't carry certain flags. They're like Liberian registry and stuff. You have to go look and see what the registry is. And some of them may be carrying for Exxon, some of them may be carrying for this. I don't know that, how you sort it out. And I read this this weekend that said, okay, so he's not gonna allow tankers this. So, really? Because there's, there's these freight lines. And so, I don't know how they sort them out. And so, that's kinda the, the question that I had. How do they know who's carrying what? Right? And you have to like, board them and ask for the manifest.

• 31:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, you know, we're, we're, we're this line, and we're Liberian registry, and we're carrying for Shell Oil today. Where's the Shell Oil going? Oh, we're, uh, yeah, we're, we're going to Los Angeles, San Pedro. First of all, why would they be doing that? But, you see the point, Pat? So, I was trying to figure out, how exactly do they sort them out? Or is it just a great bluff? Only these people can go through, only these can go through. What? Is there a TSA checkpoint on one side of this? Are they checking papers? So, to me, it seemed like a little bit of a, just a, kind of a bluff. It's like, how do you know?

• 32:23Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, it, it, bluff is one, the other part is, he's lying. Because if he's, if you look at the ships that were hit by, one ship was from Thailand, that they were hit by the projectiles, right? Okay, so, that's not US or Israel.

• 32:35Tom Ellsworth?

  The little drone kinda crashing to the side.

• 32:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, that's right. And it was three missing members or whatever. Another one was Japan, and you got a couple other countries that you have, that, uh, Panama was one of them, an oil tanker, one crew member killed, again, another projectile. And you have Angola. So, they're using this as a way to say, hey, world, we're good with all of you, just not good with Iran and Israel. In the interim, what other countries did you hit in the Gulf States? Who else have you hit?

• 33:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Bahrain.

• 33:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you, are you attacking all these other places?

• 33:04Tom Ellsworth?

  Everybody.

• 33:05Patrick Bet-David?

  So, what do you mean, you're allies, and you're, you're good with everybody except for Iran and Israel? He's lying to the world, when he's saying that, Mini.

• 33:11Tom Ellsworth?

  So, here's my question though, Pat. If we own the skies, which we do, we've sank all their ships, all their navies, why the hell are we, who, who is going to tell us what we can and we can't do there? Who, who's stopping us from doing exactly what the hell we wanna do? His military?

• 33:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Lloyds.

• 33:26Tom Ellsworth?

  What's the law, it's that? The insurance. So the insurance has said, "I won't insure you if you go through this," which is why Trump had to say, "Well, we'll do bonded insurance through the United States of America." And yet, and that, it's nuisance. It's nuisance bombs, right? They don't have a navy.

• 33:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Not newsom, nuisance. Newsom's not that smart to have that kind of a bond.

• 33:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 33:48Patrick Bet-David?

  You're saying nuisance.

• 33:48Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah. There's a lot of hand gestures. Although, if you've seen his hair, he's big in oil. So, you've got, you've got all of this, the nuisance and the low-tech stuff, which is the drones. And so the drones can kill a sailor, and one did. Drones can damage the ship, one did. But it's not like a torpedo gonna sink the ship. They were concerned about mines, and then they're concerned about all these little drones flying around. That's the question. And so Lloyd says, "All right, you're not insured," and everybody has to stop. We're not gonna drive through there. So, Lloyds of London, Pat, do you disagree? Lloyds of London closed the Straits of Hormuz based on the threats of drones and these things that could cause claims.

• 34:33Tom Ellsworth?

  Because there wasn't like a big navy out there sinking tankers.

• 34:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but that's their job. The actuaries are sitting there having a meeting saying, "Hey, guys, it's a lot of risk for us to protect these guys. We gotta figure out a way to drop the insurance on these guys."

• 34:45Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, well, if you look at it right now, the Strait of Hormuz is closed. So, the actuaries and the insurance people are one component, for sure. But what about the distributors? Like, the ships have a say. There was a great interview expose on 60 Minutes over the weekend where they dealt with a major German shipping company. And they interviewed this woman, I think this might be her right here, looks just like her. And she's like, "Well, why aren't you moving your ships?" She's like, "For fear of my sailors getting killed." And he goes, "Well, what happens if Trump increases the insurance?"

• 35:25Adam Sosnick?

  She's like, "Well, that's great, but you can't put a price on my sailors' lives." So she basically said, I mean, there's... Tons of graphs of this, they show like, there's tons of movement in the Strait of Hormuz, tons of movement, people coming and going, there's a choke point, and now it's basically at a standstill. It's like a parking lot. So, if you've ever been on I-95 in a parking lot, it's not good, you know, and especially if your driver doesn't want to, uh, drive. So, these guys have made the decision that they don't want to pass through the Strait of Hormuz for fear of what Iran will do. And you know what, Pat? You know what it ultimately comes down to?

• 36:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 36:04Adam Sosnick?

  We're talking about America, we're talking about Israel, we're talking about alliances. The Middle Eastern Gulf states, they need to step the hell up. What do I mean? We talk about having a "future looks bright, future looks bright, future looks bright." There's so much brightness, and there's so much possibility in the Middle East. You have MBS in Saudi saying what he feels, and, and using a directive in that. You have Dubai, you have the UAE doing amazing things. You have these Gulf states that are rich in oil. Guys, at the end of the day, this is gonna be on you. You realize that you have a nuisance, not a newsome, a nuisance of a neighbor, and he's

• 36:44Adam Sosnick?

  basically getting cornered, and he's basically bombing you, so what are you gonna do about it? You can't always rely on the United States, or even Israel, to take care of your mess. Ultimately, this is the Middle Eastern country's mess to clean up.

• 36:59Tom Ellsworth?

  What would you like to see them do? Cause you have Qatar, Oman, and UAE, and Bahrain, those are the four that have really suffered.

• 37:07Adam Sosnick?

  Sure.

• 37:08Tom Ellsworth?

  And yet, they've, they've called out to Saudi and saying, "Hey, can we have a hand here? We don't have your armies, we don't have your air force, we don't have more than, than, than border navies, you know? We have basic things." And they called out to Saudi, "Can you get the neighbors to turn it down a bit?" So, when you say "step up," they've been pretty vocal, almost breaking ranks a little bit. What more do you want to see these Gulf states do?

• 37:29Adam Sosnick?

  So, you can talk the talk, but are you willing to walk the walk? Vocal, you know, forgive me, that, that's not enough. So... Follow the money. At the end of the day, most countries, which Iran does not want, most countries want peace and prosperity. Are you willing to say that Saudi wants peace and prosperity? I am. Are you willing to say that UAE wants peace and prosperity? I am. Do you, do the NATO countries want that? Does Israel want that? Do the United States want that? Yes, yes, yes. Does Iran want that? I don't think so. If you look at their actions or their rhetoric, or what they do.

• 38:04Patrick Bet-David?

  You're asking, because they don't have military action.

• 38:07Tom Ellsworth?

  For step up, and I'm like, I'm Oman.

• 38:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Being vocal, what else can they do?

• 38:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Oman doesn't have 30 F-35s. The Saudis do. We gave them to them.

• 38:16Adam Sosnick?

  But at the end of the day, this is going to affect their bottom line more than even America's. Because if we're talking about the Strait of Hormuz, which nobody can-

• 38:22Patrick Bet-David?

  You still haven't answered this question. What do you want him to do?

• 38:24Adam Sosnick?

  So, it comes down to economics. So, they're going to need to put pressure on Iran, whether it's from the top down, whether it's monarchies or autocrats, or from the bottom up and have their citizens understand what it's like to feel the pain from Iran. At the end of the day, Iran is isolated. They have very few friends, and we're stepping on their neck. And what are we going to do? Let them off the hook? Who, who does the Strait of Hormuz affect more? Asian countries or NATO allies in the US? Well, it's Asian countries. Who gets their oil from the Strait of Hormuz? China, India, Korea, Japan? At the end of the day, they're going to have to put pressure on their distributors, these Middle Eastern countries that are shipping oil.

• 39:07Adam Sosnick?

  Follow the money, and if the, and if the money doesn't work, then you're going to have to use some alternative measures. But, at the end of the day, the, the oil is the number one thing for those people.

• 39:17Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so, so by the way, the Strait of Hormuz currently is open. Obviously, the risks you gotta take, you gotta take, but it's currently open. Besen even said recently that it's open.

• 39:27Adam Sosnick?

  As of when?

• 39:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Here, as of right now, it's open. If you're right now, go check right now, Strait of Hormuz right now.

• 39:31Tom Ellsworth?

  The market's open.

• 39:32Patrick Bet-David?

  It's open. If you want to play, this is 11 minutes ago, if you want to play this clip, Rob.

• 39:36Speaker 08

  Well, the, let's pull that apart. So, we are seeing more and more, the fuel ships start to go through. The Iranian ships have been getting out already. And we've let that happen to supply the rest of the world. We've seen Indian ships go out now. So, the Indians, who rely very heavily on Gulf oil. We believe some Chinese ships have gone out. So, that, and that should start ramping up before there are any, the flotillas or protective armadas in the Gulf. So, we think that there will be a natural opening that the Iranians are letting out. And for now, we're fine with that.

• 40:21Speaker 08

  We want the world to be well supplied. The other thing that we did, we gave a 30-day waiver for Russian oil that was already on the water. Well, the-

• 40:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Besson normally doesn't speak like that. Okay, he's typically very thorough. And this, is this the same interview that you had to step out and come back in, Rob? This is a different one?

• 40:42Speaker 09

  Different interview.

• 40:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, this is from this morning. Anyways, that's a different conversation. But it is open, so while he's talking about, is that the one you have right now, Rob?

• 40:49Speaker 09

  This is where it gets called away.

• 40:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, just show, show, this is yesterday, right?

• 40:52Speaker 09

  Oh, a couple of days ago.

• 40:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead, Rob.

• 40:54Speaker 09

  I think this is Friday.

• 40:54Speaker 10

  I listened to you on the-

• 41:03Speaker 09

  Allegedly, they were going to the Situation-

• 41:05Speaker 10

  No problem at all.

• 41:07Speaker 09

  When the President balls-

• 41:09Speaker 10

  See you shortly, Mr. Secretary. Mr. Secretary, I have to say, it's a first, I'm sure, a last as well, that an interviewee's been pulled away to go to the Situation Room. How is the President? Was he, was he stressed?

• 41:23Speaker 08

  Uh, no, the President is in great spirits. The Iranian mission is proceeding well ahead of schedule. And, you know, I have to tell you, Wolf, that I've teenage-

• 41:39Speaker 08

  teenager who's considering military service and I could give this team my highest compliment from President Trump to the head of the Joint Chiefs to the Secretary of War. I would they say that I would trust my child's life in their hands.

• 41:57Speaker 09

  That is kind of weird going from a regular interview to the president needs you right now, which is an emergency, you leave for an hour and a half and you come back and sit down and the first thing out of your mouth is, hey, listen, I have a son and I'll send him to war. That, that to me sounds like, this is my opinion, that they went in and they say, hey, listen, we're probably going to be sending ground troops since you're going to be on this interview and it's going to be going everywhere, kind of say that you would send your kid. That's a, that's a wild shift, Tom. What do you think? Is that, and you saw his body language? Normally Scott Besson, like you just said, Pat, normally Scott's like this.

• 42:31Tom Ellsworth?

  He's usually very precise and command of his facts. He'll correct the, the, the news media. Excuse me, let's back up and look at the facts here.

• 42:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Pentagon sending assault ship, at least 2,500 Marines towards Iran as US works to reopen Strait of Hormuz while oil prices spike. This is a couple of days ago.

• 42:50Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes.

• 42:50Patrick Bet-David?

  But that story came out that they are doing that, Rob. Is this?

• 42:53Tom Ellsworth?

  It's CBS News reporting on that.

• 42:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it right off the bat?

• 42:55Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep.

• 42:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Go for it.

• 42:56Speaker 11

  Over an hour ago, we did get word that 2,500 Marines and another warship are now being deployed to the Middle East. This is one of several developments in the fighting that continues between the US and Iran that Erica Brown is reporting on.

• 43:10Speaker 12

  The Pentagon Friday confirmed the deaths of all six crew members aboard a US military refueling tanker that was supporting operations in Iran. Officials say a second aircraft was also involved but landed safely, and they believe the incident may have involved a midair collision.

• 43:29Speaker 13

  Was not the result, as Sankama said, was not the result of hostile or friendly fire.

• 43:36Speaker 12

  Iran's threats to the Strait of Hormuz continue to disrupt the global oil supply. The Trump administration is considering deploying US Navy warships to escort oil tankers through the waterway.

• 43:48Speaker 13

  Iran still has the capability to harm friendly forces in commercial shipping.

• 43:52Tom Ellsworth?

  You can pause it right there. Tom, thoughts? So the ship they're talking about is USS Tripoli. That was confirmed, multiple sources. The USS Tripoli is a, and Rob's probably looking that up. This is basically an amphibious assault ship. It is designed to go ashore and open up this great big door where all the amphibious vehicles and everything come pouring out. The purpose of the USS Tripoli is one thing, to bring troops ashore in a military action. It's not a hospital ship. It's not a barrack ship or a transport ship. This thing, that's what it's made to do.

• 44:32Tom Ellsworth?

  And after what happened on Kharg Island, many people, including me, are speculating that the strategy may be, Pat, to bring, because there's 2,500 Marines. This is the Marine Corps Expeditionary Force, which means, you know what that means. Those are the guys that are trained to go in, kind of like first responders, first guys out. And you have the USS Tripoli going there. So number one, he's sending that message to Iraq. Number two, you throw 2,500 Marines on Kharg Island and you just go up and you shut off the valve so that they can't export the oil. You've already hit all the military things that are supporting it. So I think this is pretty significant.

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• 47:02Patrick Bet-David?

  I think so as well, but remember what Pete Hexett said. He said, two, three days into it, the president has the ability to send troops if he chooses to send so. So they said that. Now, you know, the critics are going to come out and say, wait a minute. This is, this is the thing. We thought this was going to be like Venezuela, in, out, and there was not going to be any troops on the ground.

• 47:21Speaker 09

  Let me ask you a question, though. But do you think that they thought that? You think the president was briefed by Pete Hexett and all these people, like, hey, Mr. President, this is going to be in and out? But from what it's seen...

• 47:32Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I don't think so.

• 47:33Speaker 09

  Okay.

• 47:33Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, I don't think so. I think from the beginning, no. Look, you either trust this guy's instinct or you don't. Just make up your mind. It's that simple for me. You either trust Trump's instinct or you don't. Either he is a guy that got lucky to become a billionaire. He got lucky to run a show that was number one for 10-plus years. Either he got lucky to get, become a president one time and then... You know, he gets whatever happened with the second time and then wins again after getting shot at in his ear. And somehow pulls off the greatest comeback. But you think he got lucky or he's not that smart or you believe he is? If you're part of the camp that you believe he is, you have to trust his instinct that in the situation room. He's making the right decisions, but pick and choose who you are. You you can't, you can't just be like, I voted for, I didn't vote for this.

• 48:18Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't have all the information. So you you either voted for, like, you know, when you hire somebody being executive and you gave him the job. Either trust, like, the other day, we had a conversation with one of the people we're hiring and it was like, so. Do you want this person to do this? Do you want that person to report this or do you? I said, what do we hire this person to do to do this? Why are we not giving them that authority from day one? If we collectively are making a decision, empower the man to make those decisions or not, right? So then let's let's go to next and I'm not talking to you, I'm talking to anybody that's watching this. So if you do trust this instinct. Do you not think in a room? What is the one question anybody asks when you make an investment or you take a risk? What's the one question anybody and you ask it in your mind all the time?

• 49:03Patrick Bet-David?

  You ask this question when you're dating somebody about to get married. You ask this question when you're about to buy a house. You ask this question when you're about to start a business. You ask a question when you're making an investment into a company. You ask this question when you're about to have a kid. You ask this question when you move to a different state. You ask this question when you do anything you do, ask this question. You ask this question 24/7 in your brain, you don't even know it. What's the question?

• 49:24Speaker 09

  Is this the right?

• 49:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Am I committed? Aside from that, what's the other question we ask? Trust me, you ask this question all the time. There's a book called How to Stop Worrying and Start Living by Dale Carnegie. You wrote it 100 years ago. The question is, what is the worst thing that can happen? Oh, you ask this question all the time, we all do. What is the worst thing that's gonna happen in this relationship? It's not gonna work out, she's gonna do this, he's gonna do this. What's the worst thing that's gonna happen if we move to the other state? Oh, my God, I gotta move back, I gotta do this, I'm gonna lose someone. So what's the worst, you don't think Trump asked, what's the worst thing that's gonna happen? We send troops.

• 50:00Tom Ellsworth?

  Drones, protracted experience. Okay, what do I do then?

• 50:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Right.

• 50:03Tom Ellsworth?

  And what do I do then?

• 50:04Patrick Bet-David?

  What, then what do we do? Then we do this. If they do this, then we gotta call this out. You don't think he has those questions? You don't think a guy that negotiated all the deals in New York is used to, you know, sitting there and, you know, asking? One of the deals that he did, he wanted to buy a property and the guy wouldn't work with him because they were dealing with, uh, what do you call it?

• 50:21Tom Ellsworth?

  Air rights?

• 50:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Air rights? I don't know if you know, New York real estate has air rights.

• 50:25Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 50:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Like, you know, you can't build above certain thing because I have to be the higher one than you. He's like, yeah, I got patience. It's good. I'm patient. We'll take our time. This guy's been doing these types of things for a long time. So you're either, I trust his instincts. Great. Then trust, when you trust instincts, the guy's not gonna get it right all the time. Or guess what? You don't trust his instinct, which is fine. I didn't trust Biden's instinct. I didn't. I didn't trust that DeSantis was the guy to do the job today. Maybe in 10 years, but not today. I didn't trust his instinct. Today, I didn't trust his marketing instinct. I was right. He had a terrible marketing instinct. I, I trust his instinct today to know that they knew this was gonna happen. Is his critics gonna come after him nonstop?

• 51:12Patrick Bet-David?

  If there's, um, troops on the ground? Absolutely. Are they, what's the number right now, Rob? 13? 13 US troops?

• 51:20Tom Ellsworth?

  I, I believe so. I'll double check.

• 51:22Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, I think the number is 13. Two over the weekend, if I'm not mistaken.

• 51:25Tom Ellsworth?

  Correct. It was 11 on Friday.

• 51:27Patrick Bet-David?

  One is too many. One is too many, but I think we're at 13 right now. So it is one of the options and choices he had to put troops on the ground. The people that don't want it, can they criticize him? Absolutely. The people that voted for him, if this is a choice that he had to use, because right now you have one of two choices. You either leave right now and you delay the issue later on for somebody else. Or if you're already in too deep, guess what? Finish the job. Which one do you want him to do? Where are you at? Like, really, I'm asking you, Vinny.

• 51:59Speaker 09

  Oh, what?

• 52:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Right now, would you want him to leave?

• 52:03Speaker 09

  He can't leave. No, he has to finish it.

• 52:05Patrick Bet-David?

  You're an advisor, you're in the room, but there's not a right or wrong answer to this question. It's just where you are. And by the way, run this poll, Rob, okay? Right now, you're in the Situation Room, and not even that, he just calls you. Vinny, I saw you on the podcast the other day.

• 52:18Speaker 09

  Yes.

• 52:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay? What do you think we should do? Should we, we've taken out their, we've taken out this, we've taken out 50 people. The, the son is left, but his right shoulder, his leg is gone.

• 52:29Speaker 09

  Might be gay.

• 52:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Bad situation, he might be gay, according to the new recent reports that came out.

• 52:33Speaker 09

  Yes.

• 52:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Anyway, so these stuff, these type of stuff that's going on, but do you think we should get out and just claim victory, or do you think we should stay and finish the job?

• 52:40Speaker 09

  No, you have to stay and finish the job. But, but be clear, and I understand what you're saying about the, you know, the mission, and I do trust his instincts, but it's the, it's the being honest of, it was about, this is what I thought. It was about, Mr. President, the Iranians in the streets dying because they wanted a revolution, and then it shifted to, no, we have to take out all the nuclear capabilities. I thought we already did that. So now my question is, what about those people? Where, how, how is the objective, because I'm trying to think objectively militarily. The straight, Hormuz, oil, that's huge now, that's a different, you know, phase of it. It's the leadership, the guy that was, we just saw, the, the Ayatollah package. I don't, I don't see them stopping, because here's my thing.

• 53:23Speaker 09

  We kill the Ayatollah, we get rid of this, the loudmouth guy that is lying to everybody, then, then what? Because what, what just happened, Reza Pahlavi was just like, hey, I'm gonna be the official, what do they call them? Transitional leader. Transitional leader, after you guys get rid of all the Khomeini. They're not gonna stop. After the regime falls. I don't see them stopping.

• 53:42Patrick Bet-David?

  So you're telling me, you're telling me, finish the job.

• 53:44Speaker 09

  Finish the job? And I, I, and I was gonna say, when Tom was talking about the drones and the, we know.

• 53:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so let me ask you a question. Vinny.

• 53:52Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 53:52Patrick Bet-David?

  This last part, I have to send 2,500 troops to finish the job.

• 53:56Speaker 09

  Hurry up then, go do it. And, my, this is amphibious on Khad.

• 54:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 54:00Speaker 09

  We're not overtaking, I want people to understand, we're not going to Iran.

• 54:03Patrick Bet-David?

  No, we're not.

• 54:03Speaker 09

  To go kill people, so let, on a military standpoint, don't put, oh, you're gonna send them to die. No, this is a, a expeditionary force that's gonna go there and guard the island and maybe shut it off. That's a whole different, we're not invading like we're invading Iraq. I would say that, Mr. President, finish the job, because what it's seeing, what seems like it's gonna last. Probably a couple of months, maybe six months, which people don't want that. We were told weeks. It's almost like, stop the spread. Remember the six week spread of Covid? No, it's, we want this. I want it, Pat, done as soon as possible with, with the least amount of Americans dead. And you nailed it, Pat. One is too many.

• 54:42Adam Sosnick?

  I'm with you. That's what I would say. Finish your job as a president. First and foremost, I trust Trump's instincts. So, you know, instincts are great, but they're at the very beginning. You know, they say, what's the famous Mike Tyson phrase? Everyone's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth. We didn't punch Iran in the mouth. We beat the living crap out of them. And much like an NFL game, alright, now we're at halftime and each team is making adjustments. So Trump's sitting there with Pete Hegseth and Marco Rubio and Scott Besson, he goes, dude, we're up 35 to two. We have an unforced error on a safety. We're kicking their butt. What adjustments do we need to make? We're not losing this game. Okay? It's just a matter of how much are we gonna win by?

• 55:27Adam Sosnick?

  On the flip side, Iran is in their locker room halftime. They're like, dude, we're down 35 to two. We're gonna do a Hail Mary? What do we want to do? Dude, let's start bombing our neighbors. Yeah, that's the thing. Hey, let's close down the Strait of Hormuz and affect the global economy. Okay, we're still down 35 to two. So Trump, we're looking at him, you know, this started with Scott Besson, he didn't know what was going on. The, the game has changed. Like, we're not where we were a month ago when they started this thing. So now the game has to continue. So, two things can be true at once. We don't want endless wars. We know that. But at the same time, we also don't want endless threats. And threats could lead to catastrophes from Iran.

• 56:11Adam Sosnick?

  So we've already made our bed, now we need to line it. We're eliminating the threat and it's a multifaceted threat. Why are we doing this? It's because they kill their own people? It's because they have nuclear threats? Because they're funding jihadi terrorists all over the region? There's multiple reasons here. But we have their foot on their neck and what are we gonna say? Well, we've had enough? At the end of the day, there's gonna be a winner and loser here. And United States and Trump is gonna win.

• 56:34Speaker 09

  Well, let me ask you a question, Adam. Like, we're like, and I'm being honest. We've had this conversation. You're going to have to go in there and kill every single leader IRGC. You have to just get it over with. But my question is, we do that. They're gonna keep popping up. Those guys are not gonna quit, bro. If your ideology is kill all these people and if I kill myself, I'm gonna go get virgins in heaven with Allah. That's a crazy mindset. So my thing is, you gotta go and kill all of them. Go get it over with. Get it over with.

• 57:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, audience, 3,500 votes. 3,500 votes. 69 says stay in and finish the job. 31 says get out of Iran and claim victory. That's the number right now. 69, so 70, 30 issues where it's at right now. And that's what our audience, if you think about that, that's what our, that's what our audience.

• 57:22Adam Sosnick?

  Can I add one thing? I, I, I hear what you're saying. We gotta go, we gotta kill all of them. To me, that is an extreme outcome.

• 57:30Speaker 09

  Why?

• 57:30Adam Sosnick?

  So we're not just gonna go kill a half a million IRGC. That's just not what we're gonna do. At the end of the day, the people of Iran have to figure this out.

• 57:40Speaker 09

  Wait, wait, hold on, hold on. I have to, I have to push back. You, you want to know what I'm saying? They gotta figure it out? That is not an easy task to ask civilians.

• 57:48Adam Sosnick?

  That's on them, bro.

• 57:49Speaker 09

  No, it's not. We, we just took out all their freaking leadership.

• 57:52Adam Sosnick?

  We give them the best possible help we can possibly give them.

• 57:54Speaker 09

  No, I disagree.

• 57:55Adam Sosnick?

  We're taking out their leadership. We're taking out their infrastructure. Every single revolution starts with the inside out. Did, did we ask the French to go help us beat the British? Or did we have to do it? Okay, at the end of the day, the Iranian people are gonna have to step up. The regional actors are gonna have to step up. Yes, we're gonna help. Yes, our allies are gonna help. Yes, Israel and the United States Air Force are decimating them. But at the end of the day, they're gonna have to rise up, and nobody has the answer. You know, they say if it was easy, anyone would do it. Trump did the hard part. He started this. So, the ultimate thing is this, can I just give like my major emphasis? We constantly hear this theocratic regime, this thug-like theocratic regime. This theocratic regime.

• 58:40Adam Sosnick?

  What does theocratic actually mean? They keep saying that. Well, it means that you believe that God, Allah, is dictating your very move. There's only three countries in the world that are governed by theocracies. Full, automatic, autocratic theocracy. You know the three? Iran is one of them. Right below Iran, you have Afghanistan, which is run by the Taliban. Taliban, we learned our lesson there. They're a theocratic regime without nukes. That's the future of Iran.

• 59:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's the third?

• 59:13Adam Sosnick?

  The third? The Vatican. Nobody hears word that the Vatican's gonna start jihading all of us. But that's a theocratic regime in the Vatican. They believe that God, that Jesus Christ, runs their city. Respect, I'm good on that. But when you believe that Sharia law and Allah is governing your every move, you're not negotiating with these people.

• 59:34Speaker 09

  I understand.

• 59:35Adam Sosnick?

  They're not gonna negotiate away from Allah. So you have to completely, the phrase that the council uses, "defang them, defang them, defang them." Once they have no nuclear, and they have no intercontinental ballistics, at the end of the day, they're gonna be a regional threat. But we cannot turn them into a nuclear, intercontinental threat.

• 59:56Speaker 09

  Okay, so that's what Adam...

• 59:57Patrick Bet-David?

  What are you guys saying differently? That's what I wanna know.

• 59:59Speaker 09

  No, no, no, here's my thing, I'm gonna tell them right now. Adam, they don't, me personally, we've decimated their nuclear talk, it's over. But when you're saying, "We have to go and kill 500,000", you think, Adam, let's say, Reza Pahlavi walks in. 500,000 Islamist, following Ayatollah Khomeini are gonna...

• 1:00:16Speaker 09

  Like this, yeah, we're gonna be cool now, BS. That's a, that's a fairy tale. But here's the thing, the prime example is Iraq. We went in, we're like Saddam Hussein's a bad guy, 9/11 had nothing to do with it. We kill him, Adam, look what happened when you killed him. I know people from Baghdad, I know Syrians. My cousin's wife, Nita, was like, Vinny, we have family over there. They would much rather have had him stay because he controlled all these maniacs. I agree. ISIS and everything happened. So now you can't, you can't just say, well, Trump went in there and just started it. No, we, there has to be a plan, Adam. And from the looks of it, there isn't a plan when it comes to a leader. Because the people, Adam, they don't have guns. They're not like us. What are they gonna do? Go in there and just give them a bunch of guns and go, guys, go take care of this yourself and kill the IRGC?

• 1:01:01Speaker 09

  No, I do trust Trump.

• 1:01:03Tom Ellsworth?

  That's sort of the contra method.

• 1:01:04Speaker 09

  Yeah, yeah, the contra method. Tom, imagine what crap show that's gonna happen. You go, you go and you dump a million guns. Then other people are gonna take, they're gonna start their own little frigging, uh, regime. You understand what I'm saying?

• 1:01:16Patrick Bet-David?

  You dump a million guns, you know what they're gonna do?

• 1:01:17Speaker 09

  What?

• 1:01:18Patrick Bet-David?

  The, the regime's gonna kill 50 times more people and say the people did it.

• 1:01:22Speaker 09

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 1:01:23Patrick Bet-David?

  They're gonna say, it's the weapons you dropped, civilians were killing civilians.

• 1:01:26Speaker 09

  You're right, absolutely right.

• 1:01:27Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, that, that's my point. They don't have a contra.

• 1:01:30Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not like this regime will cut off the internet and just murder their own people. They would never do something like that. Now, if you, if you're, this, this is different than Iraq. This is, this is different than Iraq. Iraq, uh, had a Saddam Hussein who was, he, he was, he was a player. He was somebody that was a player, he could get up there, talk, communicate. This is a very different regime. This guy's killing his own people. This is not a normal thing that you see somebody killing 30, 40, 50,000 of its own people. It's a very different regime you're dealing with. And if you go back to Iraq, you don't hear a lot of death upon America. You don't, you don't remember that? No, no, there's only two countries that have ever said death upon America. Iran? And North Korea, that's it. North Korea started in 54 and then Iran, that's it.

• 1:02:13Patrick Bet-David?

  It's not like it's a similar regime as the, as the rest, but we're gonna see. He is gonna, he says, I'm fluid. We're gonna use different strategy for different events and he's using a different strategy for this one than he did with Venezuela. Did you think this was gonna be a Venezuela type of a strategy?

• 1:02:30Speaker 09

  Not me.

• 1:02:31Patrick Bet-David?

  No way. By the way, whoever did, they're not sorely mistaken, you're delusional. And by the way, quick shout out to Venezuela, that homerun that was hit by, who hit that homerun? Abreu. He hit that homerun, the greatest bat flip of all time, they were down 4, 5.

• 1:02:50Speaker 09

  He almost hit one of his players. He almost hit somebody on the side.

• 1:02:53Patrick Bet-David?

  So shout out to Venezuela. Shout out to the United States, beating Dominican Republic. Venezuela, I think, tonight plays Japan and if they win, they're gonna go.

• 1:02:59Speaker 09

  Italy?

• 1:03:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, US beats. Nobody thought the score was gonna be 2-1 last night. Obviously, this is more important issues than anything else in the world, we have to cover this. By the way, Rob, can you show a stat, guys, can I ask you guys for, I have a request. This is last 28 days, 69 and a half, 30%, this is the last 28 days, of you that watch this are not subscribers, okay? Can we ask you to just press that subscribe button if you can, okay? If you can press that subscribe button and, you know, to subscribe to the podcast, it'll mean a lot to us because our audience, as we get bigger, we can get better guests and we like to get to 10 million subscribers. So if you haven't yet subscribed, click on that subscribe button, many of you watch it

• 1:03:43Patrick Bet-David?

  regularly and still haven't subscribed, it may not mean a lot to you, it does a lot to us. Okay, thank you so much, let's get into the next story. Next story I want to get into is, the Iran Foreign Minister, okay? While this is being talked about, he has a meeting, he talks about the conversation with Witkoff, because Witkoff brought up nuclear. I don't know if you saw this or not, he says, "When we talked to the Foreign Minister, they kept threatening us with nuclear," he says, "What are you talking about?" And then the social media is like, "No, they never did, they never this, why would they do this, they're just making it up." Well, here's what the Foreign Minister said about his call with Witkoff, go forward.

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• 1:05:35Speaker 07

  I never said that we are going to make bombs. I said that we have 440 kilos of 60% enriched material and that was not a secret. That is what is mentioned in the reports of the IAEA. So I said that, look, this is mentioned in the report. This, if enriched more, can be good enough for 10 bombs as your own experts claims. So we are ready to give them away. We are ready to dilute them, to downblend them into lower degrees. And by saying that, I wanted to say that the concession that we are making is really

• 1:06:20Speaker 07

  big. But how they have interpreted that, I don't know. Maybe because the lack of knowledge, maybe because of their intentions to justify, as I said, the act of aggression.

• 1:06:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Can pause it right there. Tom, do you believe them?

• 1:06:37Tom Ellsworth?

  We're not going to party. We're not going to party. We do have a kilo of Coke, five bongs and enough Turkish hash to last through the winter, but we're not gonna party. Okay. We're not doing anything. Tom went there. And so I'm, that's kinda what I heard in my head.

• 1:06:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Turkish hash is like, Tom's party with some interesting people.

• 1:06:54Tom Ellsworth?

  I didn't say, I didn't say we're gonna make a bomb.

• 1:06:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Wow, Turkish hash.

• 1:06:58Tom Ellsworth?

  I said that we're gonna get away from fossil fuels and we're going to, no, doesn't know what he said. I didn't say we have a bomb. I said we have 450 kilo, and we're gonna get away from fossil fuels and we're gonna use it to make nuclear energy. Oh, you really are. It's like, how do you believe this? Me, it's, it's just like, those talking points are somewhere between bizarre and contrived. I, I didn't, I didn't understand how to even process it.

• 1:07:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, the critics could say the following. Critics could say, Witkoff came back and he can say, you know, this is what they said as an excuse to be able to attack, right? Cause it's Witkoff and Kushner and, you know, a lot of people see Kushner as, you know, Israel connection, so he's gonna be from that camp.

• 1:07:40Tom Ellsworth?

  He said bomb.

• 1:07:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Right. Then the other side could be like, no, maybe, maybe they were not being fair players and they're BSing and they're playing propaganda. Who do you believe is the question? Vinnie?

• 1:07:52Speaker 09

  Um, I don't know, Pat, cause I, and Rob, I sent you this clip of him. I don't believe him, but that's his job. And my question is, is he on a hit list? If he's the foreign, he's the foreign minister, are we actively trying to go after this guy? Out of curiosity, Pat. Cause he's alive and he's doing well. Uh, he's a liar because this is actually great. Margaret Brennan from Face Nation, she actually asked a good question. I thought, I had to run it through AI, cause I honestly thought this was AI.

• 1:08:15Tom Ellsworth?

  I love how you said that. Margaret Brennan actually asked a good question.

• 1:08:18Speaker 09

  Asked a good question. I thought it was AI, Pat. So Abbas is over Zoom and she's asking him about, like, the internet's down. They shut off all the internet for everybody. Abbas. Abbas?

• 1:08:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Abbas.

• 1:08:29Speaker 09

  Abbas. He's Abbas. And then this, this answer, it tells you everything you need to know about this guy and his character and how honest he is. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:08:36Speaker 16

  I just do wanna point out, you're speaking to us via Zoom. The Iranian people don't have open internet access. But you do. Why?

• 1:08:47Speaker 07

  Well, I'm the voice, because I'm the voice of Iranians. And I have to defend their right. So this is why I have access to internet.

• 1:08:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinnie, keep your mouth shut, I'll speak on your behalf.

• 1:09:01Speaker 07

  You know, have our voice being heard by the international community. But internet is closed because of the security issues. Because we are under attack, we are under aggression.

• 1:09:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Got it.

• 1:09:14Speaker 07

  And we have to do everything to protect our people. In any country, there are, you know, urgent measures taken for the sake of war.

• 1:09:23Speaker 16

  I just do want to point out.

• 1:09:25Speaker 09

  Do you want to talk about control?

• 1:09:26Tom Ellsworth?

  Although the gold frame and the black ribbon is a step up from the cardboard cutout.

• 1:09:30Speaker 09

  Yeah, of course, like, think about that, he's on Zoom, but the people can't. And that's why, guys, if you think about it, you haven't been really seeing anything from the people in the streets, what's happening. I did see a video where people were in their apartments, Tom, like, like, I won't say high-rise, maybe 20, you know, 10 to 15 stories up, looking just down. IRGC is walking in the street, they're looking down, and they're just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, open fire at people in their apartments. So you're not seeing.

• 1:09:52Patrick Bet-David?

  They would never do that.

• 1:09:54Speaker 09

  No, I mean.

• 1:09:54Patrick Bet-David?

  They would never do such a thing, Vinnie, that's just propaganda. Why are you saying, you would say that Iranian government would kill their own people?

• 1:10:01Speaker 09

  I saw it with my.

• 1:10:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Why are you making up stories, Vinnie?

• 1:10:03Speaker 09

  I saw it with my own eyes, Patrick.

• 1:10:04Patrick Bet-David?

  They would never do that. These are noble people, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard. You realize how sarcastic I'm being, right?

• 1:10:12Speaker 09

  I know that you're being sarcastic. But think about it, and that actually, this actually answered my question. I haven't seen anything from the people of the streets of Iran, what the people are going through. This is, uh, this proves it, right? He, they shut off all the internet. I'm curious to when they did that, Rob, if we could find out.

• 1:10:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam.

• 1:10:30Adam Sosnick?

  Uh, the, who's this guy, the foreign?

• 1:10:32Speaker 09

  Foreign minister.

• 1:10:33Adam Sosnick?

  Foreign minister, okay. You know how I know he's lying? This, I know this guy's lying because his lips are moving. You know, Bill O'Reilly used to have a show, and he's called it "The No Spin Zone", where, no, there's no spin here, we're telling the truth here. This guy is incapable of telling the truth. It's all spin. So you know they say you gotta trust but verify, you trust but verify. Dude, we don't trust this guy at all. And because we don't trust him, we need to verify everything. So this regime is fighting for their lives. They're fighting for their ideology. They're fighting for everything they've ever built since 1979, and they're not gonna go down quietly. So if you speak up, they'll kill you internally. If you're a neighbor and you even give the impression that you're not on their side, they'll shoot at you.

• 1:11:17Adam Sosnick?

  So thi- this is all about to get very ugly. And then the left media, shout out to this lady for actually pressing this guy. Good for you, because the left media just believes the Iranian state media. They believe the Hamas media as if they're credible whatsoever. So I love the fact that, you know, there's been this whole ongoing discussion of what happened to this girl's school, you know, 100 or so girls. 168, 14 teachers. Horrible, disgusting. Who knows what happened there? Let's get to the bottom of that. This is war. But where were you when tens of thousands of people were murdered? And the internet was blackout. You didn't really talk about that. So the selective outrage and the selective media coverage is a major issue?

• 1:12:00Adam Sosnick?

  At the end of the day, this regime is the bad guy, and we need to eliminate them.

• 1:12:05Patrick Bet-David?

  There you go. Okay. Uh, guys brought me ear drops because this weekend I was at Miami Beach.

• 1:12:11Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:11Patrick Bet-David?

  And I was in the, we had the best, my, my entire body is so red right now. I'm in pain. I can't even tell you. But we were in the water, hanging out with these waves. Waves are hitting us. I have Brooklyn. I turned around, bam.

• 1:12:22Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, wave.

• 1:12:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Wave hits. Incredible. I got water here, so I can't hear what you guys are saying. Just so you know, they're texting everything for me to understand what you guys are saying.

• 1:12:30Adam Sosnick?

  On behalf of my left ear, I'm very jealous of you because sometimes it gets very loud.

• 1:12:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, I think it's kind of fortunate because you're sitting to my left, so it's, it, it helps

• 1:12:39Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:40Patrick Bet-David?

  that I can't hear a lot of the stuff you're saying. This one's, I'm in such a good mood today.

• 1:12:44Adam Sosnick?

  If you want to hear what my left ear feels like, I'll borrow a drop over here. What angry bitty's yelling? It's been a whole hour and a half since you said, Adam, what's your point?

• 1:12:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Let's go to the next story. Let's go. Next story is, there's a lot of stuff that's going on. Yesterday. Tucker comes out and posts a video out of nowhere. And everybody's like, wait a minute, what is this video about? Rob, if you want to pull it up on X, uh, or wherever you have it, you may have it on your own, um, that you've downloaded, yeah, go for it. He posts, uh, Rob, is this only a buck fifty-six of it?

• 1:13:14Speaker 11

  Yes, it's a shorter clip of it.

• 1:13:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it the beginning of it?

• 1:13:17Speaker 11

  Yep, where he talks about the text.

• 1:13:19Patrick Bet-David?

  So here's Tucker, go for it.

• 1:13:21Speaker 17

  The CIA is preparing some kind of criminal referral against me, a crime report, to Department of Justice, on the basis of a supposed crime I committed. What's that crime? Well, talking to people in Iran before the war. They read my texts. So the crime, under consideration, apparently would be the Foreign Agent Act, or something like that, acting as an agent of a foreign power. And I don't expect this to go anywhere. I'm not too worried about an actual criminal case against me for a bunch of reasons. One, I'm not an agent of a foreign power. Unlike a lot of people commenting on US politics and global affairs, I have only one loyalty, and that's the United States, and have never acted against it.

• 1:14:05Speaker 17

  Its interests are the only interests I care about, because I'm from here and I have a lot of kids. So that's not a concern. I've also never taken money from anybody. Don't need it, don't want it, and that's provable. Uh, and moreover, it's my job to talk to everybody all the time, and try and figure out what's happening around the world. That's literally what I do for a living. And I'm not going to stop doing that. Nor should I, I don't think. I'm also an American, I can talk to anybody. I have no secrets to divulge. So legally, I think, the case is ludicrous, and I doubt it will even become a case. I'm bringing this up for a couple of reasons, though. Uh, and they're pretty obvious. One is that countries tend to become more authoritarian in wartime.

• 1:14:50Speaker 17

  It's just the nature of war. People are dying. The stakes are high. People's emotions have risen to a very high point, to a crescendo. And so there's much less tolerance for any kind of dissent in the homeland. The irony, of course, is the United States fights wars on behalf of freedom, but there's always less of it here in our country during war. So that's a widely recognized phenomenon, and it's likely to happen now, too.

• 1:15:18Speaker 17

  Okay, Vinny, thoughts?

• 1:15:19Speaker 09

  Well, so let's go all the way back to the beginning. He said the CIA read my texts. So, I don't think, me personally, I mean, he has connections allegedly with the CIA with his father, there's controversy if he wasn't, if he is, he might know people in the CIA. But the CIA is not monitoring Tucker Carlson. The CIA during war is more than likely monitoring all the leadership of the Iranian IRGC. So if they're monitoring that, and then all of a sudden they see an American number, I don't know if it's Tucker's team, but this is all my opinion, this is what I think. They trigger that and they say, wait a minute, Tucker Carlson is talking to the leadership over there, potentially just to have an interview, Tom. Maybe, maybe he just wants to go there and talk, which is, whatever, I get it, you want

• 1:16:03Speaker 09

  to talk to the Ayatollah whenever it happened, okay, fine, I understand that. But then I started thinking, wait, what? A couple of weeks ago, do you guys remember where we questioned on this podcast Tucker? Tucker was very critical, critical of the president, which is, he's total right, he could do whatever he wants, talking crap about the president, and then all of a sudden he was in the White House, and then we even saw him walk in, he like looked at Tucker, he didn't even give him any love. He saw Tucker, and then they took this photo. Tom, do you guys remember this? He took this photo, Trump is smiling really, really hard, and then I thought about it, maybe there's a reason. Maybe, you know, Trump knew, because of the CIA, he gets briefings all the time, he's in communication with Iran, let him keep doing that. This photo goes out, the Iranian government sees it with them smiling, maybe they think

• 1:16:48Speaker 09

  that Tucker's talking to the president, and he's in his ear and he's cool. Communication keeps happening, maybe he's trying to talk to the Ayatollah, Tom, and that communication finds out exactly where the Ayatollah is, and we bomb and we kill him. How early into the war was it, Pat? Do you guys remember? It was quick, right when we started. So maybe that's it, maybe, you know, they were using Tucker, maybe, but now maybe they're gonna go after him for having this communication about the war, maybe he divulged some information, but I think he might have been used by the president. That's my opinion, I'm just saying, you never know.

• 1:17:21Adam Sosnick?

  Well, something weird is going on with Tucker. That's undeniable. Whether you're on Team Tucker or not on Team Tucker, I'll let you decide that. But certainly, this is not the Tucker that we're used to from the 90s, or even the last 20 years. By the way, Trump will have people that he completely disagrees with, and have them in the Oval Office. He already kicked Tucker out of MAGA. He already said that about a week ago. He's out, just like he'll have someone like Mamdani in the office, and say, "All right, this guy's a socialist, communist, Islamist, but I'll invite him in. We can get along." So I don't look at this as anything other than Trump will talk to his enemies. But the bigger conversation with Tucker is this. Is he trying to bring people together and be a synergist? And be a unifier?

• 1:18:06Adam Sosnick?

  Or is he being divisive? In my opinion, he's not bringing people together at all. He's causing division, he's causing outrage, and I'm all for debate. One of our cornerstones here is having debate. Cool, debate policy. Debate what you think should be done. But at the end of the day, the Republican Party is the la- Trump is the last thing that we have before the enemies at our gates enter America, and the rest of the world. And Tucker's just sort of like glossing over Islamism, and, you know, "I'm an American, so I buy a house in Qatar." Something is kind of weird for that.

• 1:18:49Adam Sosnick?

  I would love to see Tucker get to a place of normalcy, or be someone that can actually help Trump. But if you don't support Trump, and you're actively trying to sow chaos in Trump world, what's gonna happen? You're gonna lose elections, that means you're gonna hand power to the left, and that's just political suicide. So at the end of the day is this. Is Tucker helping Trump, or is he hurting Trump? And in my humble opinion, he's doing everything in his possible, anything in his power, to basically hurt Trump.

• 1:19:18Speaker 09

  Well, what do you think about this situation, Adam? About the CIA? Like, the CIA, this isn't a joke. The CIA is reading your texts and going after you, and saying that they might, like, open up like a legal case against you?

• 1:19:28Patrick Bet-David?

  They have to show why, though.

• 1:19:29Speaker 09

  That's why I'm, oh, for sure. They're not doing it for nothing. This isn't a-

• 1:19:33Patrick Bet-David?

  If, by the way, in this case, it's one of few things. Either you can talk to anybody you want to talk to.

• 1:19:40Speaker 09

  Yes.

• 1:19:41Patrick Bet-David?

  But if you come to the White House, and you meet with the President,

• 1:19:46Speaker 09

  Yep.

• 1:19:46Patrick Bet-David?

  And then you go and communicate with Iran. And then it shows communication.

• 1:19:51Speaker 09

  Oh, man.

• 1:19:52Patrick Bet-David?

  That you shared a part of the conversation you had with Trump. With anybody in the IRGC, you're going to jail.

• 1:19:57Speaker 09

  It's true.

• 1:19:58Patrick Bet-David?

  So guess what?

• 1:19:59Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 1:19:59Patrick Bet-David?

  90% chance he didn't do that.

• 1:20:01Speaker 09

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:20:02Patrick Bet-David?

  So if he didn't do that, he has nothing to worry about. If, like, we had a call with Ahmadinejad three times. Each time was about where we're doing the interview. If anybody sees any of that recording, no one's getting in trouble. Because the conversations are, meet us at this country in Europe. Let's interview here. I'm not comfortable doing the interview here because if I do it, they're going to catch me. And I would like to do it in Europe. Are you willing to meet me in Europe? And Rob, you remember, within 18 hours of our flight, everybody's ready. Everybody's locked and loaded to go to this country. Last minute, they canceled. They said, there's a death threat on me. Story comes out, they're trying to take that Ahmadinejad. Nothing happened. So if it's that kind of a conversation, because Tucker said, they did this to me as well. When I was at Fox, I was trying to interview Putin. And it didn't work out. And then a year later, I was able to get the interview and I went and did it.

• 1:20:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Nobody saw that as a problem, right? That was a good interview, 400 million views. It was a great conversation. Everybody wanted to see that criticizing for Putin went on 30 minutes, talking about the history of Russia and all. No problem. If you are helping and you came to the White House, I want you arrested.

• 1:21:05Speaker 09

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:21:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I want you arrested. If you're helping, which I believe, less than 10% chance he was. Less than 10% chance he was. And the only reason he was the 10% that he could have is the following. You ever meet these types of people that they naturally talk too comfortably about stuff that they shouldn't be talking about?

• 1:21:29Speaker 09

  Absolutely.

• 1:21:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Without your permission.

• 1:21:30Speaker 09

  Yep, loose lips.

• 1:21:31Patrick Bet-David?

  I have people like this in my life till today. Some of them are very close to me. They'll never be in the inner of the inner of the inner circle. But you know what I will do at times? Like, when I ran the insurance company and I knew a guy that hated me the most. And I wanted to make sure who he talks to the most. I would take him out to dinner and I would drop three things nobody else knows about. Then I would wait for two weeks to see who brings it back to me. And then two weeks later, who brings it back to me, I'm like, okay, so those are the people you talked to. Okay, now I put you guys in this camp, I know who you guys are, great. And I knew he was the guy that was trying to do everything in his power to hurt the company. And it wasn't really hurting the company, it was trying to hurt me, so. I haven't seen Tucker being too, uh, uh, um, what's the word, too, um, pro-Trump.

• 1:22:15Patrick Bet-David?

  He's been very critical of Trump for a long time now, not a short period. By the way, you want, you know who this hurts the most? You know all this stuff that they're talking about, who it hurts the most? The person this hurts the most, believe it or not, you best believe it's one person. J.D. Vance? J.D. Vance that hurts the most. You know why? Cause Tucker's son works for J.D. You want to go to Kalshi today? Rubio and Kalshi are officially, uh, Rubio and Vance are officially tied. Wow. Okay, look at that right there. And Rubio is about to pass up Newsom, .3%. Eighteen point seven million dollars. Yep. Okay? Eighteen point seven million dollars is what you're talking about, okay?

• 1:22:56Patrick Bet-David?

  On, on where it's at, so in some ways you look at it, Rubio's ahead, so what happened here? What's that, Tom? One month shift, look at the one, this is thirty days. Yeah, go back, Rob, go back for, uh, February fourteenth? Just go back to February fourteenth. Look at that. Wow. Rubio, nine point four, J.D., twenty-four, Newsom, twenty-one. He, he, he, J.D.'s, uh, two X-ing him, three X-ing him, right? Twenty-seven is three X. Come to today, tied. So you, you don't think, you, you don't think, by the way, knowing the way Trump is, you don't think Trump is sitting there saying? Uh, who, you think J.D.'s in the top twenty people that he trusts in the camp? Nope. You think he's on that list? Yes, top twenty? You think he's in the list when it comes on to issues like this? You think he's the guy that brings in for every single thing that he's processing? I don't think so. I don't think so. I don't think so.

• 1:23:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I don't, I don't think that's happening today. Because of the ties. Okay, because the, the, the loyalty of Tucker's son is gonna be to who, who first? Say it again? The loyalty of Tucker's son, who's working for J.D. as an insider is to who first? Tucker first. Tucker first. Tucker's the dad, yeah. And then? Tucker first. Exactly, it's to Tucker first, so. You have to know, like, you know, what's going on over here, it's a little bit of a... I think it could be a, you know, when they say, when they say Trump, you know, what's something D chess, he plays a 5D chess or 3D chess or whatever he plays. Yeah. It's too many stuff that happens for you to say, this man's not smart. This man doesn't know what he's doing.

• 1:24:26Patrick Bet-David?

  This is too many times. You bring the guy in, can you imagine like, do you think it's possible, do you think this is Trump like to do the following? To bring Tucker in and drop some information for him to leave and go give it to Iran and Iranians think nothing's happening and then all of a sudden for them to attack him and kill him all? You don't think that's possible? There was an AI video going around, did you see the AI video of, let me, let me show it to you guys. Adam, I'll come to you and I'm gonna show this AI video. Go ahead, Adam, your thoughts? No, I'm fully on the same page with you. Tom, I'm sorry, I haven't gone with Tom yet. Tom, your thoughts?

• 1:25:02Tom Ellsworth?

  On this, I'll tell you what I think. You know how I parse things that get stated? You know, I like dive into the words. When I know people are speaking carefully, I dive into the words. Over the weekend, I believe it was over the weekend, I think Rob has it somewhere. You know what JD Vance says when they asked him about something he talked to Trump about, Pat?

• 1:25:23Patrick Bet-David?

  What?

• 1:25:24Tom Ellsworth?

  He says, "Well, I don't have a comment on that." And he goes, "I don't want to go to prison." That's not what you say. You know, when you're talking about the president and you're the VP, to me, when I hear things like that, even if you're just off the cuff, even if you're just an open mic, even if it's just one, you know, like you're being, you're walking and then the press guy, you know what I mean, Pat comes up, puts a microphone on your face, "One more thing, one more thing." And he says, "Well, I'm not gonna say anything about that." And he goes, "Why is that?" And he goes, "Well, I don't want to go to prison." It's like, that's what JD Vance said. This is 72, less than 72 hours ago. So it also, you know what that says to me? When you hear that, Pat, what do you think? Maybe a little bitter? Maybe a little frustrated you're left out? You don't see that.

• 1:26:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I haven't seen this, is this the one Rob is talking about?

• 1:26:09Tom Ellsworth?

  Yes, sir.

• 1:26:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you get to the point of you're gonna go, is it right off the bat he goes to you going to prison?

• 1:26:15Speaker 09

  Could I say something about?

• 1:26:16Tom Ellsworth?

  That's a heavy thing to say.

• 1:26:17Speaker 09

  Because I gotta give credit where credit's due. So Vance apparently raised concerns privately about the strikes in Iran for internal discussions. And then he was questioning the US's involvement, all that stuff. And then President Trump later confirmed that Vance said, that he said Vance was less enthusiastic about the strikes. And you said this last week, and I have to give credit where credit's due. JD is smart because he's quietly putting daylight between him, himself, and this war. Because he's not openly fighting Trump. He's not openly saying anything about the strikes, but he's making sure it's on record that he has concerns and he's less enthusiastic. You know why, Tom? Because if this gets drawn out, which it looks like it's gonna go a couple of months,

• 1:26:59Speaker 09

  he could always say, hey, I was in the room, you said this last week, I warned them all. I warned them all. And by the way, in 2028, Marco Rubio was the main guy, and he's a hawk. I'm not. And that's gonna be his separation, and it's gonna be JD Vance and all that PayPal mafia, Tom, and all the, what's the other thing? That's, I'm telling you, Adam, this is a very, very, very smart thing that he said last week. And yesterday, as I was reading this, I was like, oh, wow. That's why he's doing it. He's distancing himself, but he's not trashing the President.

• 1:27:28Tom Ellsworth?

  I know carefully at his path. Is he the legislative path, or is he the leader-governor path?

• 1:27:33Speaker 09

  He's the leader-governor path, right?

• 1:27:34Tom Ellsworth?

  JD? No, he's a legislative path.

• 1:27:36Speaker 09

  What do you mean? Oh, you're doing the $50 million.

• 1:27:38Tom Ellsworth?

  And when legislators fight each other in an election, they said, excuse me, I did not vote for that.

• 1:27:43Speaker 09

  Yes.

• 1:27:44Tom Ellsworth?

  That's the position. You see that? That's a lot different from a governor who's got his butt on the line when there's a natural disaster and you have to show leadership and you have to make the call. Governors, it says, are CEOs of states. The President, we have a leader right now that makes decisions. And JD sounds a little bit too much like a legislator politician. Now, hang on a second. My voting record is clear on that, and I didn't vote on that one.

• 1:28:08Speaker 09

  Smart.

• 1:28:09Speaker 18

  Yeah, is this it, Rob?

• 1:28:10Speaker 09

  Yes.

• 1:28:11Speaker 18

  Go for it. But imagine the situation, we're in the Situation Room, where you can't even take your, you know, iPod in there, or your AirPods, I guess what they're called. You can't take your iPhone in there, you can't take anything in there, because it is the most classified space anywhere in the world. And I sit there with Pete Hegseth, and General Kane, and Marco Rubio, and the entire White House team. And the President and I, and the entire senior team are talking about the options, and about what we need to do, and about how we must best protect the American people. I hate to disappoint you, but I'm not gonna show up here in front of God and everybody else, tell you exactly what I said in that classified room, partially because I don't wanna go to prison. And partially because I think it's important for the President of the United States to be able to talk to his advisors without those advisors running their mouth to the American media.

• 1:28:51Patrick Bet-David?

  I thought it was actually a good answer. Now, I actually think that was a good answer. Listen, on one end, I was just criticizing, you know, how it's gonna hurt him. I didn't think that was a bad answer. I think he gave the proper... See, that's the thing with JD. He is so good in giving the right answer in the right places. It's the reason why he's at 18.6%. 18.6 is still a lot.

• 1:29:14Speaker 18

  Of course.

• 1:29:15Patrick Bet-David?

  To be that high. I just think right now with what's going on, is this, what's this, Rob? Is this an AI video?

• 1:29:22Speaker 18

  Yes, sir.

• 1:29:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, this is the AI, this is what they're claiming happened, okay? I don't know if you've seen this video or not.

• 1:29:28Speaker 18

  I have not.

• 1:29:29Patrick Bet-David?

  This is an AI video saying that Trump played Tucker to take out the leaders of Iran. Now, again, keep in mind, guys, they're, they're making fun, so it's not like it's a, it's an AI video. Go ahead, Rob.

• 1:29:42Speaker 03

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• 1:29:59Speaker 03

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• 1:32:09Speaker 09

  I mean, is it possible?

• 1:32:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, by the way, it is not possible. Is it possible that Trump plays? Media guys and presidents have done this? It is the oldest.

• 1:32:24Speaker 09

  Trigger the book?

• 1:32:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, you have to do that, especially when you know sometimes the people that agree with you are not as useful as those who don't agree with you, but I want to act like they agree with you. The people that act like they support you.

• 1:32:37Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:37Patrick Bet-David?

  But deep down inside, you know they don't. And it's not hard to do so. He knows that, like, he has enough intel to know. Like, you don't think Trump is asking people and say, "How are those guys doing?" Not really too critical, they're fair. "How are those guys doing?" "Yeah, the..." "How are those guys doing?" "Yeah." "How are those guys doing?" No, he's been very crit- Really, show me something. Boom, he said this.

• 1:32:55Adam Sosnick?

  Wow.

• 1:32:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, let's invite him to the White House. You invite critics to the White House. You don't invite supporters to the White House.

• 1:33:01Adam Sosnick?

  Of course.

• 1:33:01Patrick Bet-David?

  You invite those guys to the White House and talk to them. "Hey, Bill Maher, bring Bill Maher to the White House."

• 1:33:04Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, bring Bill.

• 1:33:05Patrick Bet-David?

  "Bring this guy to the White House. Let's bring him in and talk to him."

• 1:33:08Adam Sosnick?

  Keep your friends close.

• 1:33:09Patrick Bet-David?

  "And then boom, hey, here's what we..." So to me, I think,

• 1:33:13Patrick Bet-David?

  "Bring Mom Donnie to the White-" "Yeah, yeah, bring-" "No, you can't say that, just say it." Just say that you still feel the same way about me. Just go- No, this, if, again, less than 10% chance, I think Tucker did that. But if Tucker is going ahead, making a video like that,

• 1:33:31Patrick Bet-David?

  the only reason you make a video like that is to give your claim before there is legalities that you can't talk. So the last thing they hear from you is you saying this.

• 1:33:42Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 1:33:43Patrick Bet-David?

  And by the way, for him, if his father was in the CIA, you don't think some of the guys in the CIA are pro-Tucker? Of course they are.

• 1:33:48Adam Sosnick?

  Of course, of course.

• 1:33:48Patrick Bet-David?

  And they're sitting there saying, "Let me get this over to you." And, um, and by the way, there's other things going on as well with Megyn Kelly and Mark Levin. I don't know if you guys are following that or not. So-

• 1:33:58Adam Sosnick?

  Can I address the JD thing real quick?

• 1:33:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:59Adam Sosnick?

  Because you want to move on to that? I think JD Vance has kind of screwed. Because, uh, let's look at the options of what JD Vance can go. Let's, so, in my opinion, JD Vance is almost like Kamala Harris. Like, no kings, no anointments. You're gonna have to go through a primary, Mr. Vice President. You want to end up like persona non grata, Mike Pence? You want to go against Trump? You will be alienated and blackballed from the MAGA movement. Like, don't forget, Trump could have brought anybody in to be the Vice President. He had a mandate, all seven swing states, won the popular vote. How much did Vance affect the election? A little bit. But any other Vice President could have done that.

• 1:34:44Adam Sosnick?

  So your job is to defend the administration and defend the agenda. Now, because there's at least the perception that you're not doing that- It leaves the door open for the person that is uniquely qualified to do do that, which is Marco Rubio. How many times have you seen any single escalation, any war, Marco Rubio sitting there in the Oval Office? He's now the president of Venezuela. He's now the president potentially of Cuba. He's now the Ayatollah of Iran. How many other jobs is Marco Rubio gonna have? So momentum is a hell of a thing. Rubio has all the momentum. J D Vance has very minimal momentum.

• 1:35:28Adam Sosnick?

  And the fact that he's aligned with Tucker? Trump is looking at him and being like, I can't really trust you. You don't really deserve the job compared to Rubio. And your son is close with Tucker? I don't trust Tucker. Therefore, I don't really trust you. So you better prove yourself to me.

• 1:35:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I will tell you, I thought he was a perfect VP pick for Trump. Perfect VP pick for Trump. I, I think if he doesn't pick him as a VP, chance of him winning goes down 50%.

• 1:35:56Adam Sosnick?

  You think so?

• 1:35:56Patrick Bet-David?

  On 1 million percent because I'll tell you why. Because you got the technocrats that were in because they JD was in.

• 1:36:03Adam Sosnick?

  The MAGA 2.0, the civil combat.

• 1:36:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Peter Field, the Musks, all these guys, you kidding me?

• 1:36:06Adam Sosnick?

  Peter too.

• 1:36:06Patrick Bet-David?

  You know how important he was for them?

• 1:36:09Adam Sosnick?

  Sure.

• 1:36:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Very.

• 1:36:10Adam Sosnick?

  Huge.

• 1:36:10Patrick Bet-David?

  So I think JD was super important to be in, to help, and he crushed it in the VP debates. He did a very good job with media going around doing, I thought, I thought I was a great pick. For that election, they needed him. Just like when they, when he first Pence, I'm like, why are you picking Pence? And Pence was a very Christian and you know.

• 1:36:29Adam Sosnick?

  Evangelical.

• 1:36:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Very much evangelical and you know, he is a good man. I've spent time with the president. He is a good man. You would look, you look, so he got the older concerned Christians are like, this guy's crazy. You're talking about grabbing by this, no, but he is not gonna grab him hard. He grabs him soft because he's a, you know, Pence was like that guy.

• 1:36:48Adam Sosnick?

  He was a bootlicker is what it's called.

• 1:36:50Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know what you call it, but.

• 1:36:52Adam Sosnick?

  The one thing with JD is we're gonna find out what his ceiling is. In my opinion, his ceiling as of today is VP. He has not proven to be that guy.

• 1:37:02Patrick Bet-David?

  A part of it is because he's not been given big assignments. I don't know if his ceiling is that or not. I think DeSantis still has a possibility of competing for the next position. You know, markets change, campaigns change, you know, wars change, climate changes. A different president's needed for different climates. Trust me, wartime, peacetime, it's a very different thing.

• 1:37:20Adam Sosnick?

  If you're looking at resumes, Pat?

• 1:37:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:22Adam Sosnick?

  Rubio's got the resume.

• 1:37:23Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, Rubio's next. Rubio's next on my list. He's next on my list. I think he is fully next on my list. Rob, if you want to pull up the Candace Tucker, not Candace Tucker, what do you call it? Meghan Kelly?

• 1:37:36Adam Sosnick?

  Meghan Kelly?

• 1:37:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Mark Levin? Mark Levin, and then who else is involved there? Pierce, Ben Shapiro, is this it? But can you go back to the tweets first of them at each other? Because I think Mark Levin was calling her a witch, calling her a POS, calling her all this stuff. So Meghan comes out and, you know, that's it right there. Yeah, poor Meghan Kelly, an emotionally unhinged, lewd and petulant wreck. She's completely revealed and destroyed herself. She's everything people say she is, but much worse. Never an intelligent, thoughtful or substantive comment, utterly toxic. And by the way, this is probably the nicest one. He's called her a witch, he's called her a lot of stuff. She comes out and she says, "Micro penis Mark",

• 1:38:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know if Grok fact-checked that, but "Micro penis Mark Levin thinks he has the monopoly on lewd. He tweets about me obsessively in the crudest, nastiest terms possible. Literally more than some stalkers I've had arrested. He doesn't like it when women like me fight back because of his micro penis." I think that's a little too much to go there, but look, you know, go to the comment section, Rob, just to see what the comment section do. Micro Mark, you just proved this point that you are emotionally unhinged, lewd and childish. With this response, and then she responds back, walk me through it, John. How many times should I allow him to attack me in the nastiest, most personal and vile way possible? And say nothing, did you condemn him for multiple personal attacks on me, show me, I'll wait?

• 1:39:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to show replies, I want to see what that exchange looks like with that guy, John. By the way, who is John Ruth? I have no idea. Can you go to him? Uh, who is he with? He's with Outkick, Cry Sports Culture, okay? So, he's somewhat of a media influencer, who follows him? Let's see who follows him? Mari on the fall? No, just right there by the followed by, yeah. Uh, John Nelson? I don't know these people, these are people Rob follows. John Cena follows him. Listen, if John Cena follows him, you know. Okay, go back, Rob. Chris Johnson. Okay, so go back to the follow-up with the tweet, the exchange, no, no, Rob, the tweet between the two? Go back, uh, right there, okay. Never said you should have said nothing, Meghan, I'm saying the wise thing is to do, to, is not resorting to crude and emotionally unhinged responses.

• 1:39:48Patrick Bet-David?

  The wise thing is to not, is not replying evil for evil. Repaying no evil for evil, but give thought to, as honorable and as possible, so far as it depends on you, live peacefully, uh, peacefully with all, Romans 12:17-18. Okay, by all means, defend yourself and make your case, but screaming that someone has a micro penis ain't it? Does she respond back to that? Please, show me where you lectured Mark Levin on this crew personal attacks against me? Just want to make sure I'm dealing with someone who really does abhor these kinds of attacks, no matter from whom they originate, I'm sure that's you, right, John? Okay, and then there's no exchange, okay? So fair, both people said the same thing, both people made their arguments. Now go back to President's tweet, Rob.

• 1:40:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Mark Levin, a truly great patriot, is somewhat under siege by other people, far less intellect, capability and love for our country. Mark is tough, strong and brilliant, hence the nickname, the Great One. Conceived by our MAGA friend and wonderful Sean Hannity. After years of dealing with Mark in legal, media and other capacities, Mark would often do Sean's show, speaking as a lawyer, and Sean realized then, as others did, that he was special. Mark Levin was not looking forward to do a television, radio or anything else, but he was drafted by very smart people who understood. That there are few like him, he's a true conservative and intellect far smarter than those who criticize him, but above all, he is a man of great wisdom and common sense who truly love our country. Anyways, he goes on saying great things about him.

• 1:41:10Adam Sosnick?

  This is all from Trump.

• 1:41:11Patrick Bet-David?

  This is Trump tweeting defending Mark Levin.

• 1:41:14Adam Sosnick?

  How long is that tweet?

• 1:41:15Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a very long tweet, so.

• 1:41:17Adam Sosnick?

  All about Mark Levin?

• 1:41:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Yes.

• 1:41:18Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, the end he goes into Iran.

• 1:41:20Speaker 09

  Well, I mean, Pat, let's just, let's, what is hap, what has happened? And what is happening is you have pro, overly pro-Israel? And then you would just have people that are criticizing Israel, okay? Mark Levin is Israel first, in my opinion. And they're gonna go back and forth because he doesn't feel that, like, people aren't supporting Israel the way that he wants to. I, and that, that, that's just, this big fight is Candace, Candace is in a little bit different situation, but Candace, Tucker, Meghan criticized Israel, Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, and a bunch of other people are Israel first. And that, that's what this fight is gonna keep happening, and it's gonna keep going. This is a crazy long tweet for a guy, and we talked about this, Pat, that's,

• 1:42:05Speaker 09

  Mark Levin has a lot of access to the president when he was grabbing him and putting him like a-

• 1:42:10Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think Meghan is? If Mark Levin is Israel first, what's, what's Meghan to you?

• 1:42:16Speaker 09

  America first, not Israel first.

• 1:42:19Patrick Bet-David?

  For sure she's not Israel first, of course.

• 1:42:21Speaker 09

  Yeah. But, and I, I, I just think, I just think, here's the thing, my, my difference is this, Pat. I understand America first, I'm not America only. This is a messed up world, and we have to get involved with wars and stuff. But if your brain automatically goes to everything is Israel, you lose everybody. You lose that argument, and you give people-

• 1:42:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Meghan is kinda fraughting with that, though, right? Now, everything is, she's saying it's Israel, Israel, Israel.

• 1:42:43Speaker 09

  And, and that's where my thing is, and mind you, I've been criti, how many times have we've gone back and forth with, with Gaza on October 7th, put that aside, I can be critical, but at the same time, I'm not blinded. I'm not completely blinded by this thing. I know who Mark Levin is, I know who, uh, Ben Shapiro is.

• 1:42:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think Trump is siding with Levin, not Meghan Kelly, not Tucker?

• 1:43:02Speaker 09

  Say it again?

• 1:43:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Why do you think Trump is siding with, uh, Mark Levin, not Meghan or Tucker?

• 1:43:06Speaker 09

  Well, hold on, I have to correct myself. Mark Levin has talked crap about the president. Mark Levin has told people not to vote for the president, but because of how, you know- When did he do that?

• 1:43:17Patrick Bet-David?

  2016, he did.

• 1:43:18Speaker 09

  Mark Levin has told me-

• 1:43:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Mark Levin said he's a never Trumper in 2016.

• 1:43:22Speaker 09

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:43:23Patrick Bet-David?

  That is true. And by the way, Megyn Kelly also said she had a crush on Mark Levin. So if you, if you, is this it, Rob?

• 1:43:29Speaker 09

  Oh, really?

• 1:43:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Play this clip.

• 1:43:30Speaker 21

  And, you know, Levin's another one. Like, if Mark, if Mark Levin, the godfather of the movie, he asks you to come on, you just do it. I gotta respect. You don't say, "Ah, Mark, uh, hold on, I got a pizza done." You just do it. You show up and you shut up and do it.

• 1:43:43Speaker 22

  I have no relationship with him, Dan.

• 1:43:45Speaker 21

  I would've done your show too, I just couldn't earlier. That was the only reason, contractual.

• 1:43:48Speaker 22

  I have this, like, crush from afar on Mark Levin. I, I've always loved him.

• 1:43:52Speaker 21

  He's the best.

• 1:43:53Speaker 22

  I agree with Sean that he's the great one. I listen to everything he says, I read his books. But, like, he, he only really likes the true believers. And I've always been just more of a journalist who's like, "Let me, let me hear both sides, I mean, whatever." So I don't think I'm his number one favorite, but I secretly from afar am like a Mark Levin stalker.

• 1:44:10Speaker 09

  So here's my question. What happened? What, what causes that huge divide from saying something like that to Mark Levin and, and all of these, all of them, they're all attacking each other. I'm so curious to what happened. Adam, what do you, what do you think was the shift in this attitude from them?

• 1:44:29Adam Sosnick?

  Well, I'm gonna ask you a question. So-

• 1:44:31Speaker 09

  Oh, question back?

• 1:44:31Adam Sosnick?

  When you say somebody is Israel first, define that for me. You're saying that Mark Levin is Israel first.

• 1:44:38Speaker 09

  Yes.

• 1:44:38Adam Sosnick?

  What does that mean exactly?

• 1:44:39Speaker 09

  I mean, he absolutely loves Israel, and I think that they would put Israel's interests over the United States's in a heartbeat. Because guess what? I'm not making it up. I see it. I see it with my face.

• 1:44:50Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, so walk me through some things that a commentator would do to put Israel first over America's interests.

• 1:44:56Speaker 09

  Go look at every single podcast they talk about since October 7th, Adam, and everything is Israel and America has to do everything in their power to help Israel.

• 1:45:03Adam Sosnick?

  Who, which podcasts?

• 1:45:04Speaker 09

  Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro. Are you being, are you being facetious or are you being serious?

• 1:45:08Adam Sosnick?

  Well, I actually have the opposite opinion of you. If you want to talk about who I think is Israel first, I think it's the people that can't stop talking about Israel. If you look at what Candace talks about or what Tucker talks about, that's all they talk about. If you ever watch Mark Levin, he's a constitutional conservative. I just started really watching him. He barely even talks about Israel. Are you serious? He talks about the geopolitics of what's going on from a constitutional conservative perspective. He talked about FDR and how he had to challenge the Nazis. He talked about what the Monroe Doctrine is. He talked about the Barbary Pirates. Adam, hey, how's it going? Hold on. Talking about America's first war was against Muslim pirates off the Barbary Coast.

• 1:45:52Adam Sosnick?

  Barbarians, as he would call them. So to me, just because Ben Shapiro wears a yarmulke, it's so easy to be like, well, frickin' Jew, can't trust this guy. So at what point do we distinguish between America first and Israel first? Pat's born in Iran. I'm willing to guarantee you, he really, really, really, really cares about Iran. Is he Iran first? In a joking fashion, Tom's from Canada. Do I think he's Canadian first? I'm not from Canada. So to me, when you have interests that are aligned, that's where the rubber meets the road. So is America first doesn't mean that Israel needs to be the villain. So I'm getting kind of sick of the fact that, you know, who's the good guy in the situation with America and Iran?

• 1:46:38Adam Sosnick?

  America, right? Who is America choosing to be their closest ally in the region? Israel. So does that mean that America has bad judgment? Does that mean that Israel is convincing America to go to war? Or are they strategic allies? So I'm of the belief that you can be America first, but also put faith in allies. We just talked about that NATO won't step up. If there's one thing I know about Israel, they're willing to step up and eliminate the bad guys all around them. So this casting aside of Mark Levin, who everyone calls the great one, because he's Jewish, to me is shallow at best.

• 1:47:20Adam Sosnick?

  And at the end of the day with Meghan and Mark Levin, it's all, who are you trying to win? It's pretty clear. Mark Levin has won Trump. Trump trusts him. Our power players trust him. He's on Fox News. Who is Megyn Kelly winning? The YouTube comment section? To me, just because Megyn is not defending Israel, doesn't mean that she's right. In fact, Trump believes that Mark Levin is right, and he's willing to put his mouth on the line. That's the evidence. So, to me, it's all BS, other than what Trump... Trump's in power.

• 1:47:58Speaker 09

  But, Adam, I'm still trying to figure out what was this separation, because people like Mark Levin has said to deplatform people that are criticizing Israel. Nobody looks at Ben Shapiro, I mean, there's probably people out there, and go, "Oh, he's Jewish and the..."

• 1:48:11Adam Sosnick?

  I think a lot of people...

• 1:48:12Speaker 09

  Okay, well, guess what, Adam? Those are stupid, bigoted people that don't have Jesus Christ in their life. But I think that you can criticize anybody. When it's off limits, that's where people have a problem.

• 1:48:22Adam Sosnick?

  Where and when is it off limits today?

• 1:48:24Speaker 09

  Well, Mark Levin, I'm pretty sure, has said in the past to deplatform people that are talking crap.

• 1:48:30Adam Sosnick?

  Show me the proof.

• 1:48:30Speaker 09

  And that people don't like it. My question still stands.

• 1:48:33Adam Sosnick?

  As if he's a constitutional conservative, he believes in freedom of speech and the First Amendment.

• 1:48:37Speaker 09

  But here's my question. Why the huge separation? It just went...

• 1:48:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Vinny, why do you think?

• 1:48:41Speaker 09

  I don't know. I think after October 7...

• 1:48:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me ask you. Are you, in a setting like this, do you side more with Israel, or do you side more with Iran? In the issue of Iran, if you have to choose between one of those two...

• 1:48:55Speaker 09

  Israel, obviously. 1,000%. Anybody saying, "Death to everybody in your country, and death to everybody over here as an ally," I'm...

• 1:49:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 1:49:02Speaker 09

  Never... It's not even a question.

• 1:49:04Patrick Bet-David?

  When you watch some of these shows, and you see every single thing becoming Israel, Israel, Israel...

• 1:49:09Speaker 09

  I don't like it. I think that they're brainwashed.

• 1:49:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. No, but that's what they're doing. Like, literally, everything Tucker is doing nowadays, something comes back to Israel. Everything.

• 1:49:20Speaker 09

  Yeah, because I think that's the audience that... Like, when Candace talks about... She's still talking about Erica, "I remember being a man," or something like that, because that audience wants that. They want to keep seeing that stuff.

• 1:49:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so to me, the part for me here that was...

• 1:49:40Patrick Bet-David?

  There was a missed opportunity. Right after Charlie Kirk was killed. I, I said, there's one person that can actually unify. And to me, you know, God knows, we need the, the unification message, but it's not popular today to do that. Cause you know, unifying is boring. Unifying is like, oh my God, stop, you're trying to bring people together. People want controversy. People want to change. People want conflict. The three Cs is what gets eyeballs, right? Unification, that doesn't bring eyeballs. That's what brings eyeballs. No, I gotta make money. So change, conflict, controversy, that's what I need to make money. Okay. So who was trying to unify? Charlie. Charlie was trying to unify. And I thought Meghan could have played that role. I thought Meghan could have played that role.

• 1:50:25Patrick Bet-David?

  The reason why I thought Meghan could have played that role is because Meghan went from mainstream, left. Everybody said, big mistake, leaving, made a movie. She's in the movie, you know, the movie, I don't know, uh, uh, with the whole, everything that happened with Ailes and Fox. And I don't know if you remember that movie, was Margot Robbie in that movie? I don't know who it was that played her. Anyways, there was a movie that, her lawsuit stuff that happened. Then she comes back, she starts doing podcasting. Bombshell, yeah. Then she comes back and she does her own podcast, starts doing very well. And now, you know, she's crushing it with her podcast. And I think she had a chance to say, Tucker, I, we can criticize Israel. It's a little too much. Hey, young guy, come here. What's your deal?

• 1:51:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Nick, maybe she invites him. Hey, she could have done that and played a role of, not doing all the other stuff that Charlie was doing. I saw, I nominated her as the number one candidate to be able to do that because of where she was at. I think she missed an opportunity. And by the way, you know, nobody, we're, we're, we're not in anyone's set to see what people's motives are, right? We don't know what people's motives are. My, you know, our motive is simple. I think long-term, this is going to get nastier. And I think there's going to be need to be many different media companies and consulting firms to engage that they're at least sharing values that are pro-family, pro-freedom, pro- pro freedom of speech, pro having kids, pro capitalism. My concern is I want to make sure that stays.

• 1:51:54Patrick Bet-David?

  That's my motive long term. Never taking a penny off the table with value attainment. Money comes in, gets reinvested into the company. That's our motive, okay? I, I don't know what Ben's motive is. Maybe a part of it is Israel and he wants to make sure that's protected. I don't know what Tucker's motive is. I don't know what Candace's motive is. I don't know what a lot of people's motives are. But if you're choosing to live in America, we have to sit there and realize who's for us, who's against us. And if people are against us and they're literally telling you death upon you, nonstop, and you say no, the enemy is really Israel, who doesn't say that, who will work with us on certain things? I don't trust Bibi 100%. I'm 50/50 with Bibi. I think if Bibi has to choose what's best for Israel or America,

• 1:52:39Patrick Bet-David?

  guess what he's gonna choose 10 out of 10 times? Obviously. It's gonna be Israel. That's not, but that's not, to me, it's not being evil. That to me, it's like what you're supposed to do. You're, he's supposed to be Israel first. I don't think Mark Levin has a dual citizenship, by the way. You know how some of these guys have dual citizenship? I don't think he has that. So to say he is, I don't know if he is. I've never spent time with him. I've never talked to him. I don't know who the guy is. I don't like the way he put his arms around Trump and he kind of a, and I even said that on, on live, on, on video. So it's not like a, so to me, the only thing is, every time it comes to this topic, it's going this way. And if you voted for Trump and Trump from the top, who knows everyone's dirt better than anybody else? He is siding with this guy?

• 1:53:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Why is he siding with that guy? Why? Is it because, so now if you say, well siding with him because you know who the real president of the United States is? It's really Bibi. Yeah. That's his boss. If you side with that, then you've been sold a, you know, a, a, um, what do you call it?

• 1:53:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Series of lies and you bought it for sale. And you deserve everything that's coming to you. You deserve all the manipulation. To me, I think he is strategic. I think he's making decisions. You don't think when Trump talks to Bibi, he knows what Bibi's gonna say before he asks Bibi for things?

• 1:53:58Speaker 09

  Of course.

• 1:53:58Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think?

• 1:53:59Speaker 09

  Of course, he knows.

• 1:54:00Patrick Bet-David?

  You don't think he's looking at everybody that he can also use for things that he wants?

• 1:54:05Speaker 09

  Absolutely.

• 1:54:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Of course he is. Of course he is. Of course he's thinking about that stuff. But I know for a fact when you're dealing with Bibi, Bibi is, you know, Israel first times 10, times a million behind closed doors of where they're at. So, I don't know. I think when I see some of the stuff that's happening, I'd like to see an opportunity to go back to normal. I'd like to see an opportunity to unify everybody. The reality of it is, as you're going into this next phase, guess what's about to happen? You just lost Boca. Boca, that's, you know, it's so funny. They think, well, you know, Jewish people, all this stuff. No, no, Boca is Jewish. A lot of Jewish people live in Boca. A Democrat won in Boca. Okay, and we were going to chops, yeah, holding signs. Miami was who before? It was, uh...

• 1:54:47Speaker 09

  Mayor Suarez.

• 1:54:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Who is it now? Complete, you know, the new girl that took over. Democrat, they're saying she's like a female version of Mamdani minus the Islamist stuff. This is just gonna go on. Now, you got guys that are now saying vote Democrat.

• 1:55:00Speaker 09

  Yep, right.

• 1:55:01Patrick Bet-David?

  So, just so you know, just so you know, just so you know, it's headed in that direction. And you pick and choose what values you want to be from 28 to 2032. So, in 2028 and 2032, when it's the complete opposite side, trans LGBT, everything makes a comeback, then you deserve everything you got. You deserve everything you get those four years. Because during these times, you were like, well, well, because of it, wow, wow. You fell for it. Congratulations. You got exactly what you were skeptical about. And so, for multiple terms, you're like, I'm Trump, I'm Trump, I'm Trump. But not now, because I think he's this, because he lied to me, and because he did this. Okay, great. Congratulations to you. You're gonna help the left in 2028.

• 1:55:44Patrick Bet-David?

  And by far, the biggest supporters of a Democrat winning in 2028 will be the woke right. The number one. They will need to hire a PR specialist. Don't worry about it. The woke right's gonna help you out. Well, because who they gonna support for 2028? Go ahead.

• 1:56:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead. Yeah, you're gonna vote for Gavin? Tell me who the woke right's gonna vote for?

• 1:56:04Speaker 09

  They talk crap about, uh, Marco, big time, and they hate JD.

• 1:56:08Patrick Bet-David?

  So, okay, so, so who are they gonna vote for?

• 1:56:10Speaker 09

  Gavin Newsom.

• 1:56:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Which is so absurd. Believe it or not, I think the woke right is actually gonna either sit it out or vote for a libertarian.

• 1:56:19Speaker 09

  So, I mean, the vote won't even matter?

• 1:56:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Vote won't even count. Guess who that helps? I'm on the page of apathy. Of course. So, by the way, but you have to realize, if you truly, the, the, the part to me is simple. If you're pro-family, if you're pro-capitalism, if you're sick and tired of ESG, LGBTQ, transgenders running the military, if, if you don't want any of that stuff, and you're falling for the trap of woke right, you're gonna get a Democrat president. Not because they, they're gonna run behind some kind of a libertarian and JD, and not JD, uh, um, what's the Kentucky? Massey. Massey's gonna run as a Republican. That's what he's gonna run as. And say he gets primaried out, okay? Say he gets primaried out. You think Thomas is gonna come out and support a Rubio?

• 1:57:06Patrick Bet-David?

  You think Massey's gonna come out and be a supporter of Rubio?

• 1:57:08Speaker 09

  No.

• 1:57:08Patrick Bet-David?

  You think he's gonna? So then what do you have to do? So I wonder if the woke rights, if the woke right doesn't stay like this, and they flip and they become supportive of a Republican candidate for 2028, then they're just doing it for money. I'm really watching to see if the woke right becomes woke, stays woke in 2028. You know why? I don't know if you understand what I'm saying or not.

• 1:57:28Speaker 09

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:57:28Patrick Bet-David?

  If the woke right stays woke, then you truly believe in what you're talking about. If the woke right flips their positions in October of 2028, you were just doing it for adsense. So we'll see.

• 1:57:40Speaker 09

  It was an ad.

• 1:57:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I hope they stay because I, I'll actually respect them even more. I don't know if you understand what I'm saying or not. Let's see what you do. But if they stay that way, guess who gets elected? And Newsom and AOC. You know how the pendulum goes like this? Okay, typically, here's how it goes. So the pendulum goes, I had a reasonable Democrat. Okay, all right, we got a reasonable Democrat, John F. Kennedy. He's not a Democrat. He's, he's a Republican today. All right, okay, we go here this way. What's it? Who come? All right, Ford. All right, we go on to Nixon. All right, we go on to, all right, we go on to, okay, Bill Clinton. Good, economy was fine. Okay. All right, Bush, or something. Obama, Trump, AOC.

• 1:58:18Speaker 09

  Oh, God.

• 1:58:19Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, don't say, oh, God. That's what's gonna happen. Yeah. And that, that only hell, the only reason he goes AOC is because the woke right.

• 1:58:29Patrick Bet-David?

  They're gonna come at me, "Show who the fuck Iran, you're pro this, all you do is taking the money all this time." I think I need $7,000. You should vote for $1,000.

• 1:58:39Patrick Bet-David?

  But you're gonna get AOC, and you're the campaign managers. You know who you are?

• 1:58:44Patrick Bet-David?

  You're helping her out, you're helping. That'll never happen in America. Okay, Mhamdani Islamist Communist, you know, who, you know, wife is liking post of the girl that was being raped and destroyed by Hamas. You're liking, that's the white, that's the first lady of the mayor of the financial capital of the world. Oh, yeah, yeah, that'll, but, but Pat, that's New York City. It'll never happen to America. No, this is how pendulums work. If you're just going this far, it only comes back this far.

• 1:59:15Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 1:59:15Patrick Bet-David?

  But if you go all of a sudden, boom, you're going boom. So, I could be wrong, and we'll come back and visit this, November 8th of 2028. And make a note of this video, Rob, so remember, some of these videos to remember. Mark this video as one of the videos to come back in the end of it, so, so to remind us. Go ahead, Adam.

• 1:59:33Adam Sosnick?

  I think you're right, and I'll tell you why. And this is why I said that the far right, the woke Reich, as they call them, is Israel first. Because if you put on a list of all the things that you believe in, if you're a conservative, if you're on the right, alright, traditional family values, patriotism, capitalism, you have all these things that you put on there. But because of Israel, you're willing to throw that all out the window? And say, "No, I don't like what Trump is doing with Iran. He's bought and paid for by Bibi. I'm throwing all my values, all my principles, everything I've always stood for, that's out the window, because I don't like this Israel thing." So that means that the Israel first thing is your top priority.

• 2:00:16Adam Sosnick?

  That means forget about family values, forget about having kids, forget about the economy, forget about the border, forget about every single issue that Trump went on. Your number one priority is, "Oh, I don't know, we're owned by Israel." That, to me, is the problem. And when you go that, you know, they say, "Don't go full R-word." They're going full R-word, and they're encouraging young conservative men on the right. Guys, I know what's best for you, vote Democrat.

• 2:00:43Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, a part of-

• 2:00:43Adam Sosnick?

  Vote Democrat.

• 2:00:44Patrick Bet-David?

  FYI, a part of this-

• 2:00:45Adam Sosnick?

  It's insane to me.

• 2:00:46Patrick Bet-David?

  A part of this is also going to be, you know, who, who is the leading organization shaping the mindset of young kids?

• 2:00:53Adam Sosnick?

  Well, you could say turning point on the right.

• 2:00:55Patrick Bet-David?

  We're gonna see what TPUSA is gonna be doing.

• 2:00:57Adam Sosnick?

  Well, what do you think TPUSA is gonna do?

• 2:00:59Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know, I'm not.

• 2:01:00Adam Sosnick?

  I mean, I can speculate. Do you think Candace is ever gonna be invited to TPUSA?

• 2:01:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I think JD Tucker, I think all those guys.

• 2:01:07Adam Sosnick?

  Do you think Tucker is gonna be welcomed back to?

• 2:01:09Patrick Bet-David?

  I think absolutely.

• 2:01:09Adam Sosnick?

  We'll see.

• 2:01:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I think absolutely. Why wouldn't they?

• 2:01:12Adam Sosnick?

  We'll see, I don't know.

• 2:01:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Why wouldn't they?

• 2:01:14Adam Sosnick?

  What are the chances Candace ever comes back to TPUSA?

• 2:01:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't know about Candace, because Candace is Erica.

• 2:01:18Adam Sosnick?

  Well, I'm pretty sure I know about Candace, she'll never be welcomed back.

• 2:01:21Patrick Bet-David?

  But that's a different conversation. Candace won't because of Erica, unless if they have a meeting together and it's a different place. But to me, all I'm saying is, this next phase of youth. Uh, anyways, let's go to the next story. Uh, Rob, can you pull up the story about the discount that the government gave? Guys, this may be, share this with some people you have that are not big fans of America, because they just got a massive discount. And I really want to applaud the US government for doing this, Marco Rubio. You know, the State Department decided to reduce renouncing your citizenship by 80% from $2,350 to $450, a $1,900 discount. Rob, if you can go on, this is like, listen.

• 2:02:07Patrick Bet-David?

  If there's ever been a moment to do a discount double check, like this was it, like at the highest level.

• 2:02:11Adam Sosnick?

  Discount double check.

• 2:02:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you go to Twitter, Rob? Can you go to Twitter and go to my Twitter account, please? I tweeted this, uh, I don't know, sometime last year. Go a little bit lower, right there, okay, and, and, you know, uh, uh, the reduction, I'm talking about how much of a savings they're getting, but go to the Twitter tweet on the bottom. October 28, 2025. I said, if you're in America, leave, but stop turning, trying to turn America into a place you escape from. And I suggested, I'd like to propose to the White House, if you can highlight that middle one, to waive the fee till 2028. They didn't listen. They did 80%. I would have loved to just say, we're waiving the entire processing fee till 2028.

• 2:02:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't even pay the 450. Go full on free, okay? Just get out if you don't like what's going on over here. Tom, how do you process this for them to go from 2350 to 450? You think it's like a statement to those who knock America?

• 2:03:10Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm very happy that the president is finally doing something about affordability.

• 2:03:14Patrick Bet-David?

  There you go.

• 2:03:15Tom Ellsworth?

  And disinflation. Prices are going down, not up. Finally. That's what I think. I, no, I, you know, I like this. They're saying, hey, you know what? Tell you what, you know, you, you, you say 2350 is too much? Okay, for the price of a plane ticket, you know, for a price of a plane ticket from Miami to LaGuardia, you know what? Leave, you can go. Um, I love it. I love it. It says, you know, if, if you think there's a social, you, you don't have money to leave, right? You don't have enough money to leave? And you think there's a socialist country out there that when you walk in, you can get all the services you want? And you just can't afford to do it? Guess what? We just made it affordable.

• 2:03:52Speaker 09

  Yeah, but here's my question, Tom. How many of those countries are just gonna let you walk in there? It's not, it's not like here four years ago.

• 2:03:59Tom Ellsworth?

  Uh, that's not my problem.

• 2:04:00Speaker 09

  Yeah, you know, yeah, but you know, but you know what I'm saying?

• 2:04:02Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm just making, I'm just making, doing what your big mouth threatens to do.

• 2:04:06Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 2:04:06Tom Ellsworth?

  Affordable.

• 2:04:07Speaker 09

  Yeah. Well, think about it. A lot of those people like Rosie O'Donnell and what's her name? Uh, Ellen DeGeneres, they left, but then they're coming back. Cause they know that it's horrible.

• 2:04:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Thoughts?

• 2:04:17Tom Ellsworth?

  Look, uh, if you don't want, love America, you feel free to leave America. But there's some nuance here, so let me pan out. There's three types of people that would possibly renounce their citizenship. Number one is a financial reason. Tax reasons, uh, you know, evading the system. You know, I didn't, uh, the guy, one of the co-founders of Facebook, I think he went down to, uh,

• 2:04:41Speaker 09

  Singapore.

• 2:04:42Tom Ellsworth?

  What was it? Where'd he go?

• 2:04:43Speaker 09

  Singapore.

• 2:04:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Singapore, basically escaped, you know, tens of millions of dollars, if not more in tax. We've got that one. Number two, you have the expats where, look, they always wanted to live someplace else or their families from someplace else. So for passport reasons, you know, they're gonna go someplace else. The third.

• 2:05:01Adam Sosnick?

  Is the ideological ones who hate Trump so much or hate America so much that they end up developing TDS or ADS, America Derangement Syndrome. Those are the people that end up looking like Rosie O'Donnell or these people that hate America so much that they, uh, they want to leave. Now, I actually respect those people because they put their money where their mouth is. The people that I have no respect for are the people that stay here, do not have the brass balls to put where their money, where their mouth is, but they'll stay in America and stay hating on America and burn the American flag and call jihad or call America the great Satan, but want to do that under the confines of America.

• 2:05:45Adam Sosnick?

  That to me is weak and woke and wrong, and those people are the reason that America is so fractured right now. They should leave.

• 2:05:56Tom Ellsworth?

  Which category does psychotic episode or temper tantrum go?

• 2:06:00Adam Sosnick?

  That's the third category.

• 2:06:01Tom Ellsworth?

  The third category?

• 2:06:02Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:03Tom Ellsworth?

  You know what the record is?

• 2:06:04Adam Sosnick?

  I feel like the people just have raw temper tantrums or psychotic episodes and they leave.

• 2:06:08Patrick Bet-David?

  How many people you think renounced their citizenship last year?

• 2:06:11Adam Sosnick?

  They said it was like four or 5,000, right?

• 2:06:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Four or 5,000. You know what the record is? 6705 during COVID. But outside of that, pre 2010, it was between 200 to 400. Okay, pre 2010 was between 200 to 400, between 2009, before 2009 was 200 to 400 people per year. Now, uh, we're getting a couple thousand. Listen, if you allow 15 to 20 million people a year to come, not a year, 15 to 20 million illegals that came in during Biden, let's just say those numbers are accurate, 10 to 20 million. You, you, you, you're probably not going to get rid of the ones that you want to get rid of, but some of the people may want to do it. The reality of it is those who do just got a Christmas present. I think, listen, again, like Tom said, I, I like the idea of affordability being at the top of his mind and wanting to make sure people can save it.

• 2:06:58Patrick Bet-David?

  And Tom made a very, very good point there.

• 2:06:59Adam Sosnick?

  Pat, you might've just, uh, explained it and you might've not even caught what you just did.

• 2:07:06Adam Sosnick?

  There's how many people leaving America renouncing their citizenship every year?

• 2:07:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Four to five thousand.

• 2:07:09Adam Sosnick?

  Couple hundred, couple thousand? And there's tens of millions of people trying to sneak in the country illegally, much less doing it the right way? You said, how do you judge a great restaurant? By the line outside, the wait? America is still the greatest country because everyone's trying to get in and we have a handful of idiots that are willing to pay to leave. And even then, they need to reduce the fee in order to get them to leave because it's just too much.

• 2:07:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, let's talk about the people that are working at Facebook. There's some bad news coming your way because Meta eyes massive 20% workforce cuts as AI infrastructure costs continue to soar across operations reports. Have you got your charts ready, please? I'm going to come to you first. So while you're looking at this story, let me read it to you. Meta's reportedly winged, and by the way, that's around 16,000 people. Rob, can you pull up what 20% of Facebook Meta looks like? The cuts come as a technology company aims to offset the cost of AI infrastructure. Prepare for greater efficiency brought about by AI assisted workers. AI assisted workers. AI assisted workers. What does that even mean?

• 2:08:16Adam Sosnick?

  They're sitting there operating the AI and telling chat GPT what to do.

• 2:08:19Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Three sources familiar with the matter told Reuters, the outlet added that the timing and the size of the potential layoffs have not been finalized. When reached for comment, Meta spokesperson told Fox Business. This is a speculative report about theoretical approaches. According to Reuters, top Meta executives recently shared plan for the proposed layoff with senior leaders at the company. If the company were to slash 20% of its employees, the layoffs would amount to Meta's largest restructuring since 2022 and early 2023. Meta laid off 11,000 workers in November of 2022. The company cut another 10,000 jobs months later. Meta employs nearly 80,000, 79,000 as of December 31st. That's around 16,000 employees that'd be fired. Tom, thoughts on this?

• 2:09:04Adam Sosnick?

  So there's a couple of thoughts I have. First of all, you know, people accuse foreign countries in the Middle East of sport washing. They're using sports to kind of cover up other things they're doing. Right now, we've got a thing called AI washing going on.

• 2:09:19Tom Ellsworth?

  There is a little bit of changes in the economy, some things are going on. And what people are doing right now is they're floating the benefits of AI as the reason for layoffs. You know, you had Block with the Jack Dorsey company a week ago, Pat, remember that? The big thing? And it turns out that they had acquired two companies, including a crypto company, and they had never optimized the administrative headcount. So part of the layoff was they had a bunch of duplicate administrative jobs. You know, it was a fact. Yet, oh my gosh, this is what's happening.

• 2:10:01Tom Ellsworth?

  So what is happening here is Facebook is floating to the market, calling it restructuring and using AI as the reason to distract people from, you know, what is really happening with Facebook growth. And the answer is, they're not down, but, by the way, their stock is still up, I think, 86% as of this morning, going back to 2022. And those other, if you go back to 2022, or look at five years, I think it's up like 86% since 2022. And yeah, 316% if you go back over five full years.

• 2:10:44Tom Ellsworth?

  And what they've done in there over the last four years is they've announced layoffs, just like so many other companies have done, announcing layoffs. What, Vinnie, what does Wall Street love almost as much as EBITDA? Layoffs that cause more EBITDA. Just say layoffs that make EBITDA. Layoffs that make EBITDA, yeah. That's exactly right. Clip that. So it's basically, what's going on is they are floating this out there, Pat, like many companies are doing. Will there be 20% laid off? Possibly, very possibly. Or, you know, look at the little headline there. Just read the Reuters headline, Vinnie, just read it out loud.

• 2:11:26Speaker 09

  Meta shares jump after Reuters report on plans for layoffs of 20% or more.

• 2:11:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Report on plans. Is it happening? Is it happening on Tuesday? Yes. No, the shares jump after reports on plans. You see what I mean? So this is exactly what's happening to oil. Depending on who speaks over the last week, oil goes up and down.

• 2:11:48Adam Sosnick?

  And so that's what's going on.

• 2:11:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, listen, Yahoo Finance came out this week and said oil could break its all-time record and it hit $148 a barrel this week. Okay, I don't know if you saw that or not. Did you see that story, Tom?

• 2:12:00Adam Sosnick?

  It could.

• 2:12:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so $148 this week.

• 2:12:03Adam Sosnick?

  I'm sorry, I was gonna add something to the Facebook Meta thing before you move on.

• 2:12:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead.

• 2:12:07Adam Sosnick?

  So I'm just gonna try to create analogy here, tell me if you agree with this. So they're cutting staff to make way for AI. Is that what it is, potentially? No, because of AI. Because of AI, exactly. So let's use a sports analogy, remember when they, the Miami Heat signed LeBron and we're all gonna go to South Beach, we're gonna, you know, take my talents to South Beach, we're gonna win championships? So they had these stars, because they believed that stars win championships. So Meta is looking at AI saying, that's our number one player. That's our max player, that's our LeBron. So what did the Heat have to do? Dude, they had to cut the dead weight on the roster. This guy ain't playing, we're gonna have to call somebody up from the G League. You know, these role players aren't really adding a lot of value. We need a LeBron.

• 2:12:50Adam Sosnick?

  So to them, the AI is their max star player and they're willing to invest in him. And they're willing to cut the, you know, quantity and in, in, uh, in favor of the quality. So some, what did they say, 25%? How much? 20% of their workforce, those are role players, those aren't the stars. So to me, AI is the star, they're investing in that. And we'll see where these role players end up.

• 2:13:14Patrick Bet-David?

  If this becomes true, that they're laying off 20%, you're gonna see their stock move up, uh, in a massive way.

• 2:13:22Adam Sosnick?

  You think it's gonna go up?

• 2:13:23Patrick Bet-David?

  The moment they announce 20% layoff, their stock's gonna go up. My opinion, 3 to 10% the moment they make that announcement.

• 2:13:30Adam Sosnick?

  And why, why would it go up immediately, you think?

• 2:13:32Patrick Bet-David?

  That's profit going back into the pocket. So what is the average, what is the average, what is the average employee at Meta make?

• 2:13:42Adam Sosnick?

  120?

• 2:13:43Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the average employee in Meta make?

• 2:13:45Adam Sosnick?

  Average?

• 2:13:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Average employee at Meta, Meta, Meta pays, Meta's got engineers that make 5 million, so, the average, the median employee compensation at Meta, what do you think it is?

• 2:13:55Adam Sosnick?

  250,000?

• 2:13:56Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think it is?

• 2:13:56Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I mean, it's, it's high, especially in Silicon Valley.

• 2:14:00Patrick Bet-David?

  379,000.

• 2:14:01Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I was gonna say at least a quarter million.

• 2:14:02Patrick Bet-David?

  So if you go to this and you type in 400,000 times 20,000, how mu- how much is that? Eight billion dollars a year added to EBITDA. At a valuation, what is their P E ratio, Rob? What's the P E ratio? Vinny, can you put, do you know?

• 2:14:17Adam Sosnick?

  Let me, um.

• 2:14:18Patrick Bet-David?

  What's the P E ratio of Meta? What is, what is the P E ratio of Meta stock? What is it? Is it 25, 22, 38, 41? It's not gonna be low.

• 2:14:32Adam Sosnick?

  I'll take care of this, Pat. I think it's, um, I messed up. I put.

• 2:14:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Thirty-one and a half. Okay. So, check this out. Their P E ratio is thirty-one and a half. If, if this saves eight billion in salaries, what eight, what's eight billion times thirty-one and a half? This right here is a two-hundred-and-forty-billion-dollar increase to the valuation. It's a firing 20% of their workforce adds a quarter of a trillion dollars of valuation to Meta. So, what's, what's Meta currently worth right now? What's Meta's current market cap today? Meta's current market cap today is what?

• 2:15:07Adam Sosnick?

  One point five.

• 2:15:08Patrick Bet-David?

  One point eight-four trillion dollars.

• 2:15:09Adam Sosnick?

  One point five trillion?

• 2:15:10Patrick Bet-David?

  So, what's one, is that what it says? Is that what the market cap says right now?

• 2:15:13Adam Sosnick?

  Trillion and a half.

• 2:15:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it a trillion and a half? What's two-forty divided by, what's two-fifty divided by the trillion and a half? Two-fifty divided by the trillion and a half.

• 2:15:22Adam Sosnick?

  What's the two-fifty number?

• 2:15:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Two-hundred-and-fifty trillion, billion dollars is how much it's gonna increase.

• 2:15:27Adam Sosnick?

  Gotcha.

• 2:15:27Patrick Bet-David?

  So, if you go to two-fifty divided by a trillion and a half is what?

• 2:15:30Adam Sosnick?

  Sixteen percent?

• 2:15:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Is that what it is?

• 2:15:32Adam Sosnick?

  Is it a sixth?

• 2:15:33Patrick Bet-David?

  I, i- is that, is that what it is? So, if it's a trillion and a half, yeah. So, you're looking at the stock, it says sixteen point six percent, seventeen percent stock going up. I don't think it's gonna go that high because you have some other things you need to do. But I think it's gonna go up three to 10 points. I wouldn't be surprised if it went up 10 to 12 points. Okay? I wouldn't, if they fired a twen-, if they let go to twenty thousand.

• 2:15:57Adam Sosnick?

  Do you remember when Meta changed their name from Facebook to Meta in 2022?

• 2:16:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but that was a whole different.

• 2:16:01Adam Sosnick?

  No, I know, but the, my point is that their, their long-term strategists are long-term thinkers. You know, what's the thing we were saying last week? Short-term pain for long-term gain. Their stock plummeted.

• 2:16:13Tom Ellsworth?

  In 2022, I don't know if you can pull up. Was it COVID? Well, no one believed in the, so remember. When they, when they changed their name to Meta, everyone's like, what are these guys doing? They were investing in the Metaverse or whatever. Mark went from a top 10 richest guy in the world to, to, out of the top 10, now look at him now. It wasn't just a name change, Adam, but the name change was part of it. You're right. But what happened was they were also pouring money into a hole called the Metaverse. We're all going to put on glasses. We're going to live in the Metaverse and we're going to extend. That's when NFTs were the talk of the town. What we do within our Facebook profiles. It didn't happen. What they're saying now is they're going to bet on the AI chips. It's going to run their AI embedded platform. So people are saying, oh, see, as Pat did the math.

• 2:16:53Patrick Bet-David?

  It's called a quarter of a trillion dollars evaluation.

• 2:16:54Tom Ellsworth?

  That's right. A quarter of a trillion dollars evaluation and you're going to save $8 billion a year. That you're then going to turn around and spend on chips. We like chips. We don't like the Metaverse environment. Sounds like a video game, but we sure as hell like the fact, oh, that's your play. Everyone has to have a Grok play. Grok is the X play. What is the Facebook play? Facebook needs an AI play. They're going to bet on chips and there you have it.

• 2:17:18Patrick Bet-David?

  So look, is it going to be Lays? Is it going to be Ruffles? What kind of chips? Nobody knows. Maybe it's going to be Pringles. I mean, Tom, we got to get it right. If we're going to get this technical about it.

• 2:17:26Tom Ellsworth?

  We should announce our own chip and get our own black jackets. Get, get, get FOB black jackets.

• 2:17:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me get to the last story here before Adam had to come in and give his analysis on this, which by the way, led to a good conversation. For once, but oil break, oil could break its all time record and hit $148 a barrel this week. This is Yahoo Finance story. WTI crude oil futures are trading near $120 a barrel tonight. This is March night. This was a long time ago, by the way. Uh, but it's projecting that the record all time is 147, $147.27. That's July of 2028, July of 2008. We were at 123 June of 2022 and the third highest ever was March 8th of 2026 at $120 a barrel.

• 2:18:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Will it hit 148? Rob, this is Chris Wright.

• 2:18:21Speaker 17

  Yes, he was asked about oil reaching $200 a barrel.

• 2:18:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead.

• 2:18:26Speaker 23

  Barrel of oil closed above $103 on Friday and the Iranians are warning of prices hitting $200 a barrel. Mr. Secretary, should Americans be bracing for, should they be worried that this war will actually drive the price of oil above $200 a barrel?

• 2:18:46Speaker 24

  How'd your enthusiasm, wench? So Iran for 47 years has called the United States "The Great Satan." So because they call us "The Great Satan," I don't think we are "The Great Satan." In fact, clearly we're not. So I don't listen much to Iranian projections of what's going to happen.

• 2:19:03Speaker 23

  So that's a no?

• 2:19:04Speaker 24

  But there is disruptions of flow in a very important waterway. It's a, I would pay no attention to what Iran says, but there is a lot of energy that flows through the Straits of Hormuz and depending upon the timing and the manner in which this conflict comes to an end, we're going to see some elevated pricing until we get there. Where it's going to go, we have done many, many actions to mitigate that price rise. You saw the announcement of a coordinated...

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• 2:20:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Ben, I'll come to you first, but Tom, your thoughts on this?

• 2:20:36Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, I love the way the news media takes complete hyperbole and throws it in front of Chris Wright like, "Hey, the top analyst at JP Morgan said this. Look at this report, Mr. Wright." You know, that's just shocking to me. I don't understand how you can basically, you know, put the guy on the spot with some just piece of hyperbole, this crazy nonsense. And, you know, could oil be 200? It could. Could it be 148? It could. If somehow they get a hold of a stinger and they sink a tanker, wow, now all hell really breaks loose and you can have the problem. So it could, but is the economic forces that

• 2:21:21Tom Ellsworth?

  are going on right now showing that? No, they're not. But the economic forces are showing is, could it be over 100? Sure, it could be somewhat over 100, but it doesn't look like it's going to be absolutely like 150. I don't see the 150. And I think where Chris Wright was sitting there, it's like, why would I take Iran's analysis? Why would I be commenting on that? And there's Christian Welker, trying not very hard to hide her enthusiasm that oil could be at a point that hurts the US consumer, that she doesn't care about because it's a game of media gotcha with a cabinet member. It's, Pat, that's what's frustrating. You look at West Texas Intermediate, it's went a little bit above

• 2:22:04Tom Ellsworth?

  100, a little bit below 100. Today it's down three bucks at $95. And so it's floating at 100. Could there be?

• 2:22:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Well, here's a question.

• 2:22:13Tom Ellsworth?

  A big thing this week and it goes 125?

• 2:22:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Again, anything could happen. And by the way, if it does, by the way, if it does go to 150, what does that mean? Here's what it means. If it goes to 150, Iran's about to be destroyed 10 times worse than what's already happened, if it goes to 150.

• 2:22:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Because the stress on the Hormuz.

• 2:22:33Patrick Bet-David?

  The only reason it goes to 150 is because they attacked somebody in Hormuz. That's the only reason.

• 2:22:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Right.

• 2:22:37Patrick Bet-David?

  So for those people that are thinking it's going to go to 150, you're saying they're going to attack one of the ships that's not in Iran?

• 2:22:43Tom Ellsworth?

  Correct.

• 2:22:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Not a US-Israel ship, and it's going to get hit hard, and it's going to be nasty, and the US is going to have to retaliate. If that happens, yes, that could happen. Now, if China comes out, China hasn't made too many comments about Iran and...

• 2:22:58Patrick Bet-David?

  This whole thing that's taking place, they've been very quiet about it. By the way, real quick, can you guys do me a favor and put in the chat, how much gas prices are where you're at? Uh, you know, just for like an 87. How much are gas prices where you're at? Put city, state, and gas prices. I was in Miami the other day.

• 2:23:14Adam Sosnick?

  You said 87, you mean regular gas 87?

• 2:23:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I did 93. Was it 93 unleaded I did? It was 606? 606 for 93 unleaded in Miami. I wonder how much gas prices are. How much are gas prices when you're filling up the tank?

• 2:23:27Speaker 09

  It's about $4. It's like hovering around something, 4ish.

• 2:23:31Patrick Bet-David?

  87?

• 2:23:32Speaker 09

  No, no, I'm doing 93.

• 2:23:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You're doing 93, high roller. Tom, what's? Oh, you're doing the good stuff?

• 2:23:36Speaker 09

  No, I filled up. She hasn't drank good, she's thirsty.

• 2:23:38Adam Sosnick?

  I filled up Bailey's car on Federal Highway on Saturday morning. It was like 49, almost 5. Shell. 93.

• 2:23:45Patrick Bet-David?

  But how much was the gas?

• 2:23:47Adam Sosnick?

  489, almost 5.

• 2:23:49Patrick Bet-David?

  How much is, how much is a gallon of Pepto Bismol right now, Adam, with?

• 2:23:55Adam Sosnick?

  Well, I actually filled up my girlfriend's tank the other day. It hurt.

• 2:23:59Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, excuse me.

• 2:24:00Adam Sosnick?

  Whoa, Adam, take it easy, we're live. It was a big deal.

• 2:24:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Whoa.

• 2:24:04Adam Sosnick?

  It was a family show. Adam. Listen, I put my nozzle in there, I did the pump, and I filled it up. Uh, it was about 40 bucks.

• 2:24:12Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what they call it nowadays? That's what they call it, emptying the storehouse. 40 bucks to fill a tank?

• 2:24:17Adam Sosnick?

  Rob, I sent you what, I sent you what a gas cost nationally right now on the PBD Podcast.

• 2:24:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, man.

• 2:24:22Adam Sosnick?

  According to Fox News, because we all trust them, uh, the current price of, uh, gas on average is 370. And it was up from a week ago, 345, a month ago, 293. So in the last month, it's been up, uh, 77 cents.

• 2:24:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's triple A.

• 2:24:40Adam Sosnick?

  In my opinion, small price to pay.

• 2:24:41Patrick Bet-David?

  That's not Fox, that's triple A.

• 2:24:43Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, according to triple A, this was on Fox. Small price to pay for eliminating the greatest terror threat in the world.

• 2:24:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you seen Uber prices go up?

• 2:24:51Adam Sosnick?

  A little bit, Pat, but small price to pay for eliminating.

• 2:24:54Patrick Bet-David?

  You actually seen Uber prices?

• 2:24:55Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, a little bit, but you know, it's nothing crazy. So if it went from 50 bucks, that was 54 bucks. You know, we still gotta get here.

• 2:25:02Patrick Bet-David?

  And you're still getting it. Adam, with all the driving he's doing lately, he's actually seriously concerned for some of you guys are the real. If you want to enact him, he is seriously considering moving to the Keys. Because he is like, he's trying to find a way to make the drive as an Uber better because he's having some interesting moments. And by the way, if you really want to know the Pepto Bismol story, I won't let him explain it. Enact him, he'll tell you. Maybe even he'll share the video with you, the craziest thing that happened to him this morning. That guy's gonna go viral. That I don't believe. I'm fifty fifty on this, but maybe. Paid actors, paid protesters.

• 2:25:33Tom Ellsworth?

  We have a new Menex Circle, Adam's Uber Adventures.

• 2:25:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Anyways, at this point, guys, I can't hear nothing. You so don't believe it, you're going crazy. I can't hear, I've been stepping away from the podcast, doing the jump to get this water out of my head. Uh, but anyways, okay. Um, we cover a lot of stuff. If anyone out there has a solution to help Pat get the water out of his ear, please enact him. He bought the drops for me right now, they're gonna bring it, I'm gonna go through it. Rob, what do we have tomorrow? Nothing tomorrow, but we do have Wednesday, right? Okay, sounds good. Gang, do your thing. Have a great next couple of days. We'll see you guys on Wednesday. God bless. Bye bye, bye bye.

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