Forget About Currency - with Jenna Kutcher

You can have ALL the money in the world but TIME is your most valuable asset. Trusting in the PLAN doesn’t mean that the plan is always going to be easy. Sometimes you have to weather the storm and have FAITH that it’s all happening FOR you and not TO you. In this interview, we touch on topics that have never been discussed before on this show and we dive deep into the darkness that Jenna encountered with her devastating struggle with multiple miscarriages. Jenna shares the super-power she used in building her brand and business and how all of it came from the heart. She gets real on the dynamic of her marriage and how she and Drew keep it all together. Many of us are so FOCUSED on taking care of others, but when you are on an airplane the flight attendant always says “if there is a loss in cabin pressure, put on YOUR oxygen mask before helping someone else.” This is because if you don’t take care of yourself FIRST, you cannot help anyone else. You can’t pour from an empty cup! Typically our own worst enemy is our inner dialogue. This episode will teach you how to SHIFT this dialogue and make a choice every day to EMBODY these words not just speak them. We both shed a couple of tears in this interview. It’s a POWERFUL and MOVING conversation that we all can gain a lot from. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Ed Mylett?

  I hear so many small business owners say the exact same thing. They just never have enough time in the day. Well, I measure time differently. I've compressed, condensed, heck, I've bent time. My first day is 6:00 a.m. to noon. My second day starts at noon and goes till 6:00 p.m. And my third day, 6:00 p.m. to midnight. I now get 21 days a week. Stack that up over a month, over a year, over five years, and my life's completely different than it would have been otherwise. And if you want to win as an entrepreneur, you have to compress your time too. And you definitely can't afford to waste it. Waiting weeks on a big bank for capital? Your best bet's to work with my friends at Cardiff. They know how to compress time for entrepreneurs. They get your business approved in minutes and funded the very same day. They're America's favorite small business lender, and for good reason.

• 0:45Ed Mylett?

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• 1:08Speaker 01

  This is the Ed Mylett Show.

• 1:15Ed Mylett?

  Welcome back to Max Out, everybody. I'm Ed Mylett. My guest today is an educator, a photographer, a blogger. She's the host of the unbelievably popular Goal Digger Podcast. She's a mother and a wife, but even beyond that, my favorite thing? She's a self-proclaimed mac and cheese lover.

• 1:36Jenna Kutcher?

  Oh.

• 1:37Ed Mylett?

  You didn't know I knew?

• 1:37Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 1:38Ed Mylett?

  So this is Jenna Kutcher, everybody. Thanks for being here.

• 1:41Jenna Kutcher?

  Thank you. I'm so excited.

• 1:43Ed Mylett?

  I am too. We've had a great day already today, everyone. And I'm really excited about this because I have a legitimate, successful, young, female entrepreneur here today to discuss some strategies with you all. You've just been successful at so many things. I think you're remarkable.

• 1:57Jenna Kutcher?

  Well, thank you. I'm just showing up doing the best I can, so if that's working, it's working.

• 2:03Ed Mylett?

  It's working. How'd it start? Started out with a... Getting into business for you started out with, like you buy a camera on Craigslist or something, right? Is that how all of this starts?

• 2:13Jenna Kutcher?

  Every bit of it.

• 2:14Ed Mylett?

  Take us through that a little bit.

• 2:16Jenna Kutcher?

  So I went to school for business and I kind of, I had this idea of success. So to me, success was a business suit, high heels, corner office.

• 2:26Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 2:26Jenna Kutcher?

  And I used to tell people, gosh, someday I'm gonna have this corner office and I'm, my husband's not gonna work and I'll come home and I'll kick off my high heels and I'll, I'll have dinner ready, which is so weird, because it's not really like a common female vision. And so, I get into corporate world and I hated it. And I was so disappointed that I hated it because where I'm from, you get a salary and benefits, like you've made it. Like that is making it. And I felt disappointed where I was like, I thought it would be better than this. And I think that follows you through everything.

• 3:03Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 3:03Jenna Kutcher?

  But at the time, I was planning my wedding with my college sweetheart, Drew, who's my husband. And I have always just loved pictures. Like, pictures to me is just like, just brings you right back. And so I was like, I'm gonna buy this $300 camera and I'm gonna take pictures while we plan our wedding. And, long story short, I just was passionate again. And I feel like the corporate world sucked so much for me. And it wasn't a bad company or a bad, it was, it was just not for me. I didn't like climbing a ladder that I didn't want to climb. I didn't want people telling me what the next level was if I didn't want it. And I think I saw people glorifying busy.

• 3:41Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 3:42Jenna Kutcher?

  And that was, that was it. And so, it all started from a camera.

• 3:45Ed Mylett?

  Amazing. And that went into like wedding photography and all that? One thing I noticed about your Instagram page, everybody you should check out, what is your Instagram, by the way?

• 3:53Jenna Kutcher?

  Jenna Kutcher.

• 3:53Ed Mylett?

  Okay, it's easy. And you should check it out because for men and women, particularly women, it's beautifully done.

• 3:58Jenna Kutcher?

  Thank you.

• 3:59Ed Mylett?

  It's, it looks beautiful when you look at it.

• 4:01Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 4:02Ed Mylett?

  Is that conscious on your part?

• 4:04Jenna Kutcher?

  Oh, so conscious.

• 4:05Ed Mylett?

  From what sense?

• 4:06Jenna Kutcher?

  So, branding to me has always been just so fascinating. I mean, I analyzed logos and typefaces and colors and like, if I could, if I had any other job, like even I was walking in your house and I'm like, that arched window.

• 4:21Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, you do.

• 4:21Jenna Kutcher?

  You probably walked by that. A million times a day and never pay attention to it. And I pay attention to all of that. And so, being a photographer, the editorial side of things to me is so important. And I want to draw people in because it's pretty, but I want them to stay because I'm talking about something. So for me, I'm analyzing all these little details. I was like, I want to give Ed feedback on his brand.

• 4:44Ed Mylett?

  You should.

• 4:45Jenna Kutcher?

  Because to me, you can attract and repel. And a lot of times, we just do things because that's how we've always done them. But for me, everything is intentional.

• 4:54Ed Mylett?

  What would you give me feedback on?

• 4:56Jenna Kutcher?

  Oh, you want to know?

• 4:56Ed Mylett?

  Well, why not? Let's let everybody hear it. I want to hear it.

• 4:58Jenna Kutcher?

  So, when I look up Ed Mylett online, and I understand that as part of the vision and the messaging is you're selling a lifestyle.

• 5:06Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 5:07Jenna Kutcher?

  But you know what's so different is like, you should be selling your heart.

• 5:11Ed Mylett?

  Thank you.

• 5:11Jenna Kutcher?

  And the way that you show up, the reason why you have the following you do, the listeners you do, is because of your heart. And so, I think it gets lost in the lifestyle. And for so many people, if I watch a demo reel and there's your jet and this home and all of that, I can't relate.

• 5:28Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 5:28Jenna Kutcher?

  I still can't relate to this day. I mean, we live in this little suburbia place in a home that we're so blessed to own. But a lot of people that follow you, they just want to make another $1,000.

• 5:41Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 5:41Jenna Kutcher?

  They just want 10 hours back with their children. And so, a lot of times, when you level up, and I'm feeling this right now, I'm feeling this in my life, is like, you feel this need for importance and more and showing these things. I mean, I'm wearing like Target today. You know, I'm like, oh gosh, like, is Ed's wife going to have designer? Which she doesn't.

• 6:01Ed Mylett?

  Nope.

• 6:01Jenna Kutcher?

  But you feel this like next thing. And what I've realized, and I think what the secret is, and we'll talk about this, I'm sure, is that we need to paint the possibility that our people can understand.

• 6:13Ed Mylett?

  Wow.

• 6:14Jenna Kutcher?

  You know?

• 6:14Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 6:15Jenna Kutcher?

  And so, we're painting the possibility that our peers get. They're there.

• 6:19Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 6:19Jenna Kutcher?

  And so, sometimes it's like, we have to go backwards. And I really felt that a lot when I went from six figures to seven figures.

• 6:25Ed Mylett?

  Yep. So you're... By the way, I want to first thank you for that. And you're the second person... I told you I'm maybe gonna be with an agent now.

• 6:33Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 6:33Ed Mylett?

  And identical feedback. She goes, "I was surprised when I met you. You're like, nothing like your brand." And I went, "Well, then, that's a problem with my brand." So, I think... I think probably, I had an initial brand in the beginning.

• 6:45Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 6:46Ed Mylett?

  And then, I've made all this content. And I just sort of assume, everybody knows that's who I am. And I've not sort of altered the jet

• 6:52Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 6:53Ed Mylett?

  house muscle thing.

• 6:54Jenna Kutcher?

  I'll help you, I love this.

• 6:55Ed Mylett?

  You know what I mean? So, thank you for that. And that is really critical, because you've done that. This woman's become a self-made millionaire.

• 7:03Ed Mylett?

  But I would say self-made, because I've met Drew. He's obviously a huge part of this. He's right upstairs with Christiana now, and Conley right now. Who you call Coco, right? Your baby? We've got so much... There's so much I want to get into about you. I think you're remarkable, because... And I pride myself on this too. Where you're unique is the breadth of your content. Jenna's content goes everywhere from how to start a business for $5,000, to how to make your Instagram page go right, to mother stuff, to lifestyle. I mean, it's amazing, and it's so good. Like, your content is so good. So, I want to give the gift to people today of a little bit of it. So, you go from zero to a million dollars a year, plus an income and all this stuff. What... How'd you do this? I mean, that's a broad question, but how did you become you?

• 7:47Ed Mylett?

  Most people listening to this would like to grow their following and influence somehow.

• 7:52Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 7:52Ed Mylett?

  How'd you do it? And what would you tell them to start with in doing it?

• 7:56Jenna Kutcher?

  So, my first thing is, is if you have a follower, you have influence. So, I hate the term influencer. When anyone uses it, I'm like, "We are all influencers." My gosh, if you're waiting to start your message till you have 10,000 followers, your message should be started now. Somebody the other day scrolled all the way back to the beginning of my feed.

• 8:17Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 8:18Jenna Kutcher?

  It is hilarious.

• 8:20Ed Mylett?

  Really?

• 8:20Jenna Kutcher?

  But, I've never deleted a thing, because I want people to see the transformation. But I also want them to see that eight years ago, I was talking about the same things I'm talking about today. How this all happened is because... And I think that you can relate to this, is... I put it all out there. I mean, I talk about cellulite, I talk about wrinkles. I mean, I talk about this stuff because we're all thinking it.

• 8:45Ed Mylett?

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:45Jenna Kutcher?

  And I think it started as a coping mechanism because I was afraid that people would call me out for it. So if I say it first, it doesn't hurt as bad.

• 8:53Ed Mylett?

  Wow.

• 8:54Jenna Kutcher?

  If I say, "Look, I see my cellulite there. I see those extra pounds. You can't say that and hurt me." But what it's become is a true celebration. Like, I feel better today in my skin, in my business, in my body, in my life because now I own it and like, it's me. It's, I trust that. But I think over the years, I've just, I've just shared it all.

• 9:22Ed Mylett?

  Was this intentional? Because you have this ability to monetize on your, in your business, and I don't feel like you're monetizing. So I know this is sort of an inside baseball type thing here, but is that intentional of you? Did you start out, "I'm on Instagram, I'm going to profit from this."

• 9:37Jenna Kutcher?

  No.

• 9:37Ed Mylett?

  Or it started out in this mode and then just sort of over time turned into a business that you're running?

• 9:42Jenna Kutcher?

  So I heard two years ago that the average millionaire has seven revenue streams, and I made eight. It was, every piece of my world is so intentional. But I never approached things because of that.

• 9:58Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 9:59Jenna Kutcher?

  What I think my gift is, is that if I care about something enough to sell it to someone, I'm going to tell it like I would tell a friend. The way that I write, the way that I share emails, the way that I pitch anything to is, "Who really needs this?" How do I communicate that? Because I'm doing a disservice if I'm not actually getting through. Um, you know, I'll jump on Instagram Live and put on my makeup and talk to people about something I'm selling, but it's because I care. Like, if this is for you, I don't want you to miss this. I genuinely care about that. And so, yeah, I mean, it's all intentional, but not every post is for every person. Not every selling point is to make a sale on everyone.

• 10:43Jenna Kutcher?

  It's just to make sure that I hit the right people with the right message.

• 10:46Ed Mylett?

  How does the average person watching this who says, "You know what, like, I'm at my job right now. I'm in this corporate thing. This sounds cool."

• 10:53Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 10:53Ed Mylett?

  You know, like, "Okay, you control your time now." You've made seven figures, got a great husband, a great baby.

• 11:00Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 11:01Ed Mylett?

  And you, they're like, "I have no idea what the heck I would do, though."

• 11:04Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 11:05Ed Mylett?

  You know, "How do I start a business?" You know? And that's like, that's a question I don't ask enough on this show of somebody. And you are perfect for this.

• 11:14Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 11:15Ed Mylett?

  What would you say to someone who's like, "I want to get out of this." I don't, the corporate ladder I'm climbing, no matter how high I get, it's up against someone else's building.

• 11:22Jenna Kutcher?

  Hmm, yeah.

• 11:23Ed Mylett?

  I get to the top, someone else owns the building. Right? That's the problem. And that's not a challenge. If you're in the corporate world and you want to be there and you're loving it, wonderful. But for many of you, you're like, "I'd like to get off this ladder eventually." What would you say?

• 11:34Jenna Kutcher?

  So, everyone has a superpower.

• 11:38Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 11:38Jenna Kutcher?

  Most of us are too close to our genius to recognize it's that.

• 11:41Ed Mylett?

  Ooh.

• 11:42Jenna Kutcher?

  So, when you can get people to speak into your life and to share those genius spots, to remind you what you're good at, what you're passionate about, what you've experienced. I just, um, shared with some of my students the other day. I said, "If I were starting over, if I were that girl back in that window, windowless office, what kind of things were happening in my life?" I was training for a marathon. I was, um, getting married. I could teach people about the things I was learning about. So, when you think about life, so much of it is either things that we're learning or experiences we've had. And we've gone through something that we've cared enough about to learn more. I went through miscarriage. I had to go gluten-free. I mean, there's like, a million things I could impact the world with, but to me now,

• 12:26Jenna Kutcher?

  I either learned it out of necessity or passion. But I never recognized that it's a gift, that it could help somebody. And I always say this, um, that time for me is my currency. I'm done with money. Like, I have more money than I ever thought was possible. I've, I, I don't want for anything, but time is what I want for. So if I could save somebody time...

• 12:50Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 12:50Jenna Kutcher?

  That's where I'm showing up. So, what could anyone do today that could save someone else time, or heartache, or give them joy? You could teach someone how to macrame, you could teach someone how to cook freezer meals, you could teach someone how to manage your time better. Like, I think the problem with the business world these days is everyone feels like they have to come to the table with something that will make someone else money.

• 13:12Ed Mylett?

  So do I.

• 13:13Jenna Kutcher?

  But they're not realizing that the gift of time

• 13:16Ed Mylett?

  Yep.

• 13:16Jenna Kutcher?

  should be the selling point on everything.

• 13:19Ed Mylett?

  No one's ever said that, Jen, on here. You're 100% right about that.

• 13:22Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 13:22Ed Mylett?

  I also think that they think, I have had, I should have already had to make millions monetizing this for it to have value.

• 13:29Jenna Kutcher?

  You gotta be one step ahead.

• 13:31Ed Mylett?

  Hmm.

• 13:31Jenna Kutcher?

  One step ahead. I think, uh, one of the biggest learning moments in this for me was when we were going through our fertility struggle, and I was just sharing what was happening as it was happening. And, and it was, looking back now, like, it was like a bleeding wound, it wasn't a scar. Like, I was showing up in, like, the mess. Um, but then I started to see, like, you know, I'm doing all this research, and I'm working with doctors, I'm trying to figure this all out, and if I can just start sharing it, it could change the world. And I just think that there are so many things that, that life has brought us that have led us to learn, or to ingest, or to, to become, or to get better at.

• 14:09Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 14:10Jenna Kutcher?

  And we just think, oh, well, I'm, I don't know, everyone knows this.

• 14:14Ed Mylett?

  Right.

• 14:15Jenna Kutcher?

  No, everyone doesn't know it.

• 14:17Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, you're so right.

• 14:18Jenna Kutcher?

  So, I look at everything as, how can I save people time? Because to me, time is money.

• 14:23Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 14:23Jenna Kutcher?

  But time is like, like life.

• 14:25Ed Mylett?

  You know, it's funny, when you say that, it's funny, I, I, I think that that's kinda what I do. Like, my, my content typically is saving someone the time of going through all the experiences I've had to go through to acquire whatever knowledge on a topic that I, that's really good. All right, some pinpointed stuff here, and then I wanna talk about, if you would, some stuff that's more specific for women, and all of the men, you need to listen into this part when we get there, but before we get there, just for a second, let's give them a couple tactical things. I wanna grow my social media.

• 14:53Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 14:54Ed Mylett?

  I wanna grow my social media, period. That's my objective, I'm listening. I'm gonna go through more than just that in a second, everybody. One or two things.

• 15:01Jenna Kutcher?

  You ready?

• 15:01Ed Mylett?

  Because you're really good at this.

• 15:02Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 15:02Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 15:03Jenna Kutcher?

  Show your face. I did an experiment where I committed to showing my face for 30 days in a row on my feed. My engagement doubled. My, no, my engagement tripled. My growth doubled in one month.

• 15:19Ed Mylett?

  Wow.

• 15:20Jenna Kutcher?

  Because a lot of times we're consumed with showing up perfect and pretty and all these things. People don't know whose voice they're listening to anymore. People don't know why I should care. And here's the thing, I don't think that I'm the most stunning woman in the world. I got so much confidence by showing up and committing to, you know, here I am today. Here's a picture of me doing life. I got memories that now looking back, I'm like, dang, look at like, we were, we were eating pizza. Like what a great day. But I also got the chance to recognize that I matter. And, and I think that that connection is so often lost on social media.

• 16:04Jenna Kutcher?

  And so the number one thing, I challenge everybody watching and listening. Go through your feed and look at the posts that have the most engagement and I will bet you your face is in them because people care about you.

• 16:17Ed Mylett?

  Whoa. A hundred percent right.

• 16:20Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 16:20Ed Mylett?

  Even a goofy face like mine, when my face is in it, it gets more engagement. That's brilliant.

• 16:25Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 16:25Ed Mylett?

  Okay, next thing.

• 16:26Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 16:26Ed Mylett?

  Here we go. I'm thinking of starting a podcast or a blog. A, should I? Who should? And if I do either of those, how do I get anybody to see it?

• 16:34Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 16:35Ed Mylett?

  That's a toughie.

• 16:36Jenna Kutcher?

  I mean, we do both in my business and I think they're both, blogging is not dead. Let me just put that out there. But I think what we have to look at is what is your lowest barrier to entry?

• 16:48Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 16:48Jenna Kutcher?

  What excites you? What are you going to actually commit to? Because the problem isn't the platform. The problem is you keeping a promise to yourself. And so I think a lot of times people go so gung ho and they're like, I'm gonna send out one email a week and I'm gonna blog three times and like, and then all of a sudden, two weeks in, you're either burnt out or you're like, this is way harder than I thought. So. Don't worry about what the method is. Pick the platform that you're actually gonna follow through on. You can expand, you can grow, you can evolve, you can change. But I think what's so important is that you start sharing your message. Even if it just starts in, here's my challenge that I do every day. This is good, is I challenge myself to share one minute of my day every day. On Instagram stories.

• 17:31Jenna Kutcher?

  Whatever that minute is, if it's me with the baby, if it's me talking to the camera. Just one minute, let people in for one minute. You're gonna get more comfortable, but it's not about the platform, it's about the promise. And it's mostly about the promise you keep to yourself. That you have a story worth sharing, that it's valid, and that you can actually keep up with something.

• 17:50Ed Mylett?

  Okay, so the Goal Digger Podcast, I wanna talk about this. What's made that the success that it's been? Cause it's one of the most popular podcasts in the world. Why?

• 17:59Jenna Kutcher?

  Well, let me let you in on an insider's secret. I record that in a closet, like an actual closet with boxes. My computer is propped up on a stroller box. And you can't really get into the door because there's like stuff there. I mean, it is a small closet, this is not a walk-in closet, okay?

• 18:19Ed Mylett?

  That's incredible.

• 18:20Jenna Kutcher?

  The podcast is what it is because of that. Because I never lost where I started. I mean, I started that podcast recording in my car. And to this day, I record in a closet so that I can be close to my baby. And if she needs me, I'm right there. And so that is like the core of it. And I joked with you today, I said, we were driving over here, I said, babe, you think we should get the Uber Black? And he goes, I don't know, how much more does it cost? I said, a hundred dollars. You know, we've never lost that piece of ourselves. It's so, everything is so humble about what we do. I record on a hundred dollar microphone.

• 18:59Ed Mylett?

  I love this.

• 19:00Jenna Kutcher?

  It's not about the method, it's about the message. And so, I don't want a fancy studio and I don't want a producer and I don't want any of that because that wasn't the beginning. And so, the beginning of it was just to show up with the stuff I wish I would have had. And that's what it is to this day.

• 19:18Ed Mylett?

  You have the top podcasts in the world out of your closet.

• 19:20Jenna Kutcher?

  Isn't it great?

• 19:21Ed Mylett?

  It's awesome. Well, it's awesome because I think everyone's thinking they have to have all of these conditions. You have to have an ocean in the background. You have to have all those things. And I started my podcast, now it's changed, but I started my podcast on a hundred dollar mic and in my closet, it wasn't in my closet, I started my podcast on a hundred dollar mic in my office and I just started talking. And the first two I did, I didn't even record. I forgot to record, right?

• 19:47Jenna Kutcher?

  You're like, "Gee, that was so good."

• 19:49Ed Mylett?

  That was so good. And the next two weren't as good. You know, you tried to do it the second time. But same exact way, I just started talking. I'm like, I didn't even know what the hell a podcast was, you know, in the very beginning. So, we're gonna shift here a little bit because I don't ever ask things that are sort of gender specific.

• 20:04Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 20:05Ed Mylett?

  But I want to.

• 20:05Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 20:06Ed Mylett?

  Because I think that's where you get deeper answers. So, you have this massive army of women that follow you. What is the, what are the things right now that you get asked the most? Like, what are women struggling with the most as it relates to their life, becoming an entrepreneur? Like, there's lots of women's, there's lots of women watching and listening right now. What are they saying to you? This is what was on my mind all the time. This is what's bothering me. What is it?

• 20:34Jenna Kutcher?

  I think right now, my heart is so much in the motherhood and career mix. And I think that that is such a hard place to be. You know, the whole idea of balance, it just doesn't exist. It's not, it's not a thing. Nothing will ever be in balance. And learning that, and learning it every single day, is something. But I feel like women are told that you can't do both. And you can't do both well. And...

• 21:04Jenna Kutcher?

  I have to tell you, I think I'm doing them both well. I think I'm an awesome mom and I'm having the biggest year of business ever. And I've only worked a couple of months part-time. And I think what it is, is it's presence and it's creating space for presence. So when I'm with my daughter, I'm with her. And when I'm working, I'm working. And trust me, I think it's been the hardest trying to figure out. I mean, recording in a closet tells you, like, it's freaking hard to figure out what that looks like. But I think there's this message that you're less than either way. And I had a lot of fears going into becoming a mom. Even with our three-year struggle, I thought, is something wrong with me?

• 21:48Jenna Kutcher?

  Like, am I meant to do this? Because I was worried that I'd be held back. I was worried about sharing my husband. I was worried about, I was worried about so much. And I just, I want women to know that, like, you can do both. And every, there's nothing is gonna be just this fine line of perfection. It's gonna be messy, but it's so worth it. I think the other message is just that she's already doing it. Women have this competitiveness that we're taught to compete with women from an early age. I think, I think if you asked a woman, this is weird, but if you asked a woman, does she check out men or women? We, we look at women to measure ourselves.

• 22:32Jenna Kutcher?

  Whether it's the size of our body, their growth, their anything. We're always measuring ourselves up. And I think so many women have this fear that she's already doing it. Why should I teach Instagram when Jenna Kutcher's out there teaching it? They don't realize that they know something or that they can do it in a different way. It's scarcity versus abundance.

• 22:55Ed Mylett?

  Do you think that's why there's so few women in the Instagram personal development life strategy space?

• 23:01Jenna Kutcher?

  Because it's already been done. And they think she does it better than I could do it anyways.

• 23:06Ed Mylett?

  Because men don't think that way at all.

• 23:07Jenna Kutcher?

  Never.

• 23:08Ed Mylett?

  That's a good point.

• 23:09Jenna Kutcher?

  And I just feel like so many women, it's, they don't, they don't feel like they can compete, so they just don't do it.

• 23:15Ed Mylett?

  Wow. I would not know that.

• 23:17Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 23:18Ed Mylett?

  You talked about your

• 23:21Ed Mylett?

  That's really interesting because I've wondered, you're just making me think right now. I've wondered why that is that so few people are even in this space or other spaces.

• 23:29Jenna Kutcher?

  I also think though too, women don't like, playing in this arena is hard. And I think I've felt it so much more recently with just a lot of growth and trying new things and messing up and, and being in a tender season. And you see the way that women treat other women sometimes. It's like, am I going to go into that arena? Brené Brown talks about it. Like unless you're next to me like bloodied from the battle, you can't have an opinion. And I, to this day, opinions matter to me.

• 24:00Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 24:00Jenna Kutcher?

  Criticism matters to me. There's a difference between criticism and feedback, but most women don't even want to put them in a place to get that.

• 24:07Ed Mylett?

  You're right, you're right. I will tell you that one thing, and this isn't gender specific, but I, I don't mean to be gender specific when I say it, but I will tell you that the, the women that have been on my show or that are friends of mine that have any sort of social media influence, I will say that the criticism affects them much more deeply than it does the men.

• 24:22Jenna Kutcher?

  It does.

• 24:23Ed Mylett?

  It does. From, from Fallon Taylor and I have discussed it, Christine Simmons and I have discussed it, Rachel and I have discussed it. You're, you're bringing it up now. That's surprise, that's, that surprised me. The criticism is, is, affects them more deeply. You talked about the three-year, I hope you're willing to talk about this, three-year struggle.

• 24:39Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 24:39Ed Mylett?

  What I love about you is like you share everything. And, um, one of the things that's sort of a secret often, that's not talked about really anywhere, is when a woman has a miscarriage, and I know you're blessed now, but you had two miscarriages, right? Can you talk about what that was like to go through that? To go through it even a little bit publicly as well?

• 25:03Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 25:04Ed Mylett?

  Because there's millions of women that have gone through this themselves.

• 25:08Jenna Kutcher?

  And husbands who don't know what to do.

• 25:10Ed Mylett?

  You got it.

• 25:11Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah, so. When we, so it took us three years to have our baby and I think it's been so hard for me to cross over. Because so much of my audience is still in that season. And it's been really, like, I'm just so empathetic to what that feels like, where it's like, I mean, it just like holds me back sometimes of like sharing my joy, because I'm like, I know where you are and this sucks. Um, so, like, we shared so much about what was going on and I think miscarriage is a loss unlike any other loss, because it's a loss of a dream, and it's a loss of like a possibility. And it also steals your joy for the future.

• 25:52Jenna Kutcher?

  So, it's like, you can't ever go through pregnancy again with confidence. You know, like, you never get that like positive pregnancy test again and think it's happening. And that is what like I hate the most about it, is it, because it just robs you from future joy. And there really isn't a lot of losses like that. Because a loss usually is final, but miscarriage carries on. And so, when we went through that and when we started sharing about it, it was also really hard to publicly go through it, because so many people were sharing their stories of loss with me. And it's like, when you're at the bottom and more people are meeting you there, it was hard.

• 26:33Jenna Kutcher?

  Um, because it's like you want to be there and you want to, you want to say things that'll help, but like, I think all you can say is, "I'm really sorry this sucks." Because that's what it is.

• 26:44Ed Mylett?

  Was there any bizarre,

• 26:48Ed Mylett?

  we're taking the most extreme example on earth right here, but was there a bizarre blessing in there?

• 26:53Jenna Kutcher?

  Oh, yeah.

• 26:54Ed Mylett?

  There were?

• 26:54Jenna Kutcher?

  So much. Um, when I had my first miscarriage, this is, this is something we don't talk about, but when I had my first miscarriage, I did not have a single person on my team. I was a solopreneur through and through. And I had had, um, this one woman who works for me still. She'd reach out to me three different times, saying, "I'm a VA, I can help, you're, you know, you're really successful as a photographer." And I said, "I got this. I got this. I don't need help." And I was all of a sudden crippled with grief for the first time in my life, and I realized, if I stop... Money stops, business stops, it's all gone. And I realized I was trading my time for money. Now that realization took three years, but when I look back,

• 27:39Jenna Kutcher?

  if I would have had that first child, I have a necklace on right now, it's two angel wings and a C. If I would have had that first child, I would have never grown to this. Because then, the second time we got pregnant, I was like, what do we want our lives to look like? The first pregnancy, I was trading time for money, I was shooting thirty weddings a year. My husband sold wine, so we were stocking shelves nine to five. I realized if we have this baby, like, we're not gonna be able to be there. After our second loss, I just buried myself into work. I was so mad at God. I was so mad. I was like, I did the work, I showed up, I helped others, I, I, I answered your call, I did this, I already went through this. What,

• 28:24Jenna Kutcher?

  I could see the purpose in the first one, and I couldn't see it in the second one.

• 28:28Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 28:28Jenna Kutcher?

  Because I was just like, what? Oh, like, what did I do wrong? And then it was just like, is this gonna keep happening? Like, is this it? It's not, it wasn't it, but it felt like, it was like, come on, God, what did I do? And then the third pregnancy happened, it was like, is this, is it, is it gonna happen? You know, like, I don't know, it's just, so, when you can show up in those shitty seasons, I'm sorry. There's no other way, there's no other word for that, but when you can show up in those, it brought on so much support, because people wanted it for us, you know?

• 29:06Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 29:06Jenna Kutcher?

  It's like, when you can see your own story being reflected in someone else's, all of a sudden, you feel like, I'm not alone. I think our world just needs that, you know?

• 29:16Ed Mylett?

  I think the world needs you.

• 29:18Jenna Kutcher?

  Thanks.

• 29:19Ed Mylett?

  And, uh...

• 29:22Ed Mylett?

  This you telling that?

• 29:23Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 29:23Ed Mylett?

  It's obviously still...

• 29:25Jenna Kutcher?

  It's, you never get over it. You never get over grief. You know?

• 29:30Ed Mylett?

  How did it affect you and Drew?

• 29:32Jenna Kutcher?

  Oh, I mean, it brought us closer, thank God.

• 29:35Ed Mylett?

  Did it?

• 29:36Jenna Kutcher?

  But we handled, like, for me, it was such a physical thing.

• 29:40Ed Mylett?

  Of course.

• 29:40Jenna Kutcher?

  And so, um, I talk a lot about body image because I hated my body after it happened. So, it's so interesting to me that I even have a platform about body image because I just, I, I love my body now. I think my body is great.

• 29:55Ed Mylett?

  Awesome.

• 29:55Jenna Kutcher?

  Um, but at the time, I hated my body because it failed to do the one thing that it was made to do. But it wasn't, it wasn't that, but that's how you feel.

• 30:06Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 30:06Jenna Kutcher?

  And so for Drew, it was like, he's grieving a loss of a, of a child, but he's also grieving for me.

• 30:13Ed Mylett?

  Me, you, yeah.

• 30:14Jenna Kutcher?

  So it was interesting and, um, we had to like, communicate about it and, and know like, should we be talking about this? Should we not? Should we like, move on? Do we not? Like, what does this look like? And so it was just, it was a lot. And then when I was finally pregnant, it, that was a lot. And it was just really hard for me to like, feel like, are we in the safe zone? Is anything safe? And as a parent, nothing is safe. You have a child. It's like, you're never safe. And so that is like where the faith has to come in is like, like there, I can look back now and see that there's always been another hand in all of this. But when you're in it, it's like you're in a dark building with a flashlight and all you can see is immediately in front of you. But it's like God turned the lights on and now I can just see everything.

• 31:00Jenna Kutcher?

  I wish I could have seen it back then though.

• 31:01Ed Mylett?

  It magnified your faith then too?

• 31:03Jenna Kutcher?

  Oh, yeah. I mean, how can you, how can you look at the world today and not, not believe that there's gotta be something more than this?

• 31:13Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 31:13Jenna Kutcher?

  I mean, we were in the most magical place ever.

• 31:16Ed Mylett?

  Right.

• 31:16Jenna Kutcher?

  And it's like... How could we not believe that there is someone that designed us? When I look at my baby, she has taught me more about faith. Because I look at her and I'm like, "You are fearfully and wonderfully and perfectly made." And when I complain about the way I look or the way I show up, I'm telling God that he messed up on me. What if my baby looked at me and said, "Mommy, you messed up on me."

• 31:41Ed Mylett?

  Oh boy, that was so good. Wow.

• 31:43Jenna Kutcher?

  She has taught me more about faith because I just look at her and I think, "You are perfect. You are loved. You are whole. You are enough." And I feel like God can put his hands on me and do that too.

• 31:54Ed Mylett?

  Yes. You're beautiful. You're awesome.

• 31:56Jenna Kutcher?

  You're the best.

• 31:58Ed Mylett?

  No, because one of the things, you're actually making me, it's really weird.

• 32:02Jenna Kutcher?

  We'll just all cry.

• 32:03Ed Mylett?

  I don't really get like that too often. Just because I think those of you that have faith or want it, you know, one of the most unbelievable things is we know how much we love our children and to think that God can love us even more than that is such a powerful thing to hold on to in our life. But thank you for just being willing to share that. And for the men too, that are listening to this, I think it's so important that we know that the women in our lives, whether it's our mothers or our sisters or our spouses or our friends,

• 32:35Ed Mylett?

  they carry some pain with them that we're not aware of all the time and they carry it longer. I think, I will tell you that I think one thing on a miscarriage, Kristiana and I miscarried as well and she'll get emotional just like you do about that time. And frankly, as a man, I, it's not the same.

• 32:52Jenna Kutcher?

  It isn't.

• 32:53Ed Mylett?

  I'm emotional about the two children we have.

• 32:55Jenna Kutcher?

  Yep.

• 32:56Ed Mylett?

  And so, men, just know that pain endures in a woman forever. And I think even the loss of loved ones, I've watched in my own family, feel tremendous loss when I've lost people. Not the same way as the women in my life have. The length of it and the duration of it and the depth of it. So, men, just realize that. I really appreciate that. That's why I got emotional just listening to you. So, you're just magnificent. This is why... This space, whatever it is, this we get to talk to people space.

• 33:27Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 33:27Ed Mylett?

  Is so important that you're not alone.

• 33:30Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 33:30Ed Mylett?

  You are beautiful, you are favored, there is a God, there's all this just wonderful stuff like out of six or seven million people who see this today, or listen to it rather, if two people got something from it, what a magic thing we've done, right? So, thank you so much, and we have people that are here watching us raising their hands, giving us the amen as well. So, let's talk a little bit, it's difficult to move off of that, but I want to stay in the relationship space a little bit.

• 33:54Jenna Kutcher?

  Mm-hmm.

• 33:55Ed Mylett?

  I get asked a lot, I've met Drew, what a stud, good-looking dude, and like, just immediately both of you, like, there's just a goodness.

• 34:02Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 34:03Ed Mylett?

  You can just talk to Drew.

• 34:04Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 34:05Ed Mylett?

  You know what I mean, like, it's just an easy guy to be with, funny too, right? But I get the sense in your dynamic.

• 34:11Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 34:12Ed Mylett?

  You are more of the driver, is that fair to say?

• 34:15Jenna Kutcher?

  Absolutely.

• 34:16Ed Mylett?

  Okay, and I am in my dynamic too, and I get asked a lot, this is a huge thing, people that are driving right now, that are the drivers, they're about to pull over and listen, because they're like, this is the thing I always want to ask you. When I get with people in business settings, and they ask me tactical business things.

• 34:32Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 34:32Ed Mylett?

  The one they really want to ask me is this one, and like, because they're like, I don't want to sound like a disloyal spouse, or like, I also don't want to reveal to you I'm not happy about something. But here's the question, you know what's coming. What's it like, and what's the dynamic like for you, when you're the driver?

• 34:49Jenna Kutcher?

  Yep.

• 34:49Ed Mylett?

  And ambitious, and want to contribute, and want to see how great you can be, and make a difference in the world and all that, and perhaps you're married to somebody who is, I don't want to call it, more easily happy, or, um, ease, content.

• 35:03Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 35:04Ed Mylett?

  Content with the status quo, and you're, you're not content.

• 35:07Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 35:08Ed Mylett?

  So to speak. I get asked this question more than any, because I think most people know in my dynamic, I'm in a similar.

• 35:13Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 35:14Ed Mylett?

  Relationship, right?

• 35:15Jenna Kutcher?

  Our spouses are hanging out.

• 35:16Ed Mylett?

  Our spouses are upstairs right now.

• 35:18Jenna Kutcher?

  Commiserating.

• 35:19Ed Mylett?

  With the baby, so, how, how do you feel about that? What are your thoughts on that? What would you say to somebody who says, look, I'm driving, and I love my spouse, but they're just not driving with me on this to that extent, or they don't want what I want, or, well, this is it, guys, right here, so, you must get this, and you're experiencing it too.

• 35:38Jenna Kutcher?

  So, we set really big boundaries, in our life, in work, in marriage, everything. So, Drew actually doesn't know a lot about what I do. And that's intentional. Because at the end of the day, I don't want to talk about work. I want to talk about life. And so we have this thing where we'll sit down and we'll say, how was your day? And you get five minutes. Talk about work, whatever. It's done. Now we're in life and um we like when we go on dates, phones stay in the car like we our phones are charged on a different floor of our home. At night. They do not come in the bedroom.

• 36:19Jenna Kutcher?

  So for me, my struggle was I was like, don't you want something more with your life? Like, how could like mowing the lawn bring you joy? And then I was like, well, what's bringing me joy? How do we figure this out? And so a lot of times we'll we'll make we'll poke fun at it. So I'll be like, oh, I just mowed my lawn because I was recording or writing an email funnel or things that fire me up. And we have to look at things in a way that like supports each other, but for me, he has been such a big support like where I'm like, you are like behind all of this. But him being a stay at home dad, like he's had to humble himself because people will be like, oh, and so what do you do?

• 37:04Jenna Kutcher?

  And it's like for him, I'm like, he is the best dad in the world. He like buys groceries and makes sure I eat lunch and things like that. But for me, it's like honoring that contentedness while also not letting it like stall me.

• 37:19Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 37:19Jenna Kutcher?

  And so it's like seeing that contentedness and trying to find that within myself in that moment. But also encouraging him to strive for more. What does that look like? And it's like this ebb and flow and this give and take and there's seasons of both for us. But I think it's a lot of it is so much about boundaries. He doesn't need to care about what I'm doing. He needs to care about me. And I think a lot of times we find our value in doing. And so when we can remove that from our relationship, that's when we actually feel valued.

• 37:51Ed Mylett?

  Breakthrough huge moment. Last 15 seconds you just said, big time, massive thing you just said. Massive. One of the best things ever said here, ever, ever, ever. And it was the end of the sentence at the end of the answer. And here's what it is. I love this. So good. We get validation too often from what we're doing as the achiever. And it's magnificent that you can be with someone who loves you for your being. What a blessing and a gift, like wow, that's huge. Also, I must second the concept that sounds controversial, that your spouse doesn't need to know everything going on and what you do business-wise all day long.

• 38:33Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 38:34Ed Mylett?

  I completely agree with you.

• 38:35Jenna Kutcher?

  I don't need to make him care. He cares about me.

• 38:37Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 38:38Jenna Kutcher?

  You know? When you let that go, when you don't come out with a laundry list of here's what I did today, and you say, here's what fired me up today.

• 38:45Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 38:46Jenna Kutcher?

  Then you're inviting them to be excited with you.

• 38:48Ed Mylett?

  By the way, a long-term relationship, the person loves your being, not what you're doing. This is huge, huge. How, how empty would it be to be in a relationship for someone who only loved you for what you were doing? Now, in a perfect world, they love what you're doing and your being. But there are a lot of people.

• 39:04Jenna Kutcher?

  It'd be exhausting.

• 39:05Ed Mylett?

  It'd be exhausting, and a lot of people in relationships just based on what you can do. Just based on what you're doing, what you make, right? What you look like, right? Instead of your being, and so there's a blessing there as well. That's like such a great answer, so. One of my favorite answers ever on a very difficult nuanced topic, because I know for a fact it's still an issue for you.

• 39:26Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 39:26Ed Mylett?

  It's an issue for me as well. And it's, it's, that word honoring is also beautiful as well. Couple of things about you that I'd like to ask you, because I think women will, women will relate to it and men. What are you insecure about now? So you've talked about having previous insecurities.

• 39:43Jenna Kutcher?

  Oh, I know. Right off the bat.

• 39:44Ed Mylett?

  Okay.

• 39:45Jenna Kutcher?

  It's that I'm too much.

• 39:46Ed Mylett?

  That you're too much.

• 39:47Jenna Kutcher?

  So isn't this interesting? You go from the not enough.

• 39:50Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 39:51Jenna Kutcher?

  To the too much. I'm too powerful, I'm too unemotional, I'm too driven. Um, now that I am pulling my seat up to the table with men, and saying, I'm here, and I, I know things, and I, I'm smart, and I, I am brilliant, and I, I feel confident in saying all these things, now I'm worried that I'm too much, that women.

• 40:14Ed Mylett?

  Only a woman would think that, huh?

• 40:16Jenna Kutcher?

  Only, yes. So women are taught that like being strategic is being conniving. And I'm amazing at strategy. Oof, I love strategy. And I have been told that, you know, I'm too unemotional about business. Business is business. I handle business unemotionally so that I can be emotional in my life.

• 40:35Ed Mylett?

  Wonderful.

• 40:35Jenna Kutcher?

  So when I make decisions about business, I am so unemotional because that's how I need to do it. But yeah, my greatest fear, I mean, someone just a week ago told me like, I'm too much of a powerhouse. I'm too, I'm too out there. I'm too bold. And it's like, so I can't be not enough. And I can't be too much. So where do you fall?

• 40:57Ed Mylett?

  It's interesting.

• 40:58Jenna Kutcher?

  Isn't that weird? No men would think that.

• 40:59Ed Mylett?

  Men don't think that. No. It's why I'm so glad you're here. And why I'm, I know more and more people said, please have more powerful female entrepreneurs. I clearly always want to. But I also am careful of who I, I have my audience exposed to and let them influence them. It's why I researched you. I watched you for a long time. And then I found, and I think most of your followers are women. But I gotta tell you something. Your content affects me. Like, you're one of the podcasts I listen to, and I don't listen to very many. You're one of the blogs I read. And it's because of all of the different types of content. So even today, we've gone from Instagram to blogging, to podcasts, to miscarriages, to relationships, body image, and insecurity, right? So we've gone through a lot.

• 41:41Ed Mylett?

  And I just think you're magnificent. I really do. And I feel like there's so much with you that I want to give like an open answer.

• 41:48Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 41:48Ed Mylett?

  And so if you had a message, this will be my last question.

• 41:51Jenna Kutcher?

  Yeah.

• 41:52Ed Mylett?

  But if you had a message that you could give to people, and I think what everybody wants, they think they want a business, and maybe they do. They think they want to be thinner or more muscular, and maybe they do. They want a relationship, maybe they do. But what I think everybody on earth wants is they want to be happier. People just want to be happier. And I think that more than ever, with all of the benefits of social media and access to information, access to people, we know more about medicine and diet and nutrition and the brain and all these things. But I'm not so sure that there's not been a time ever in humanity, and it's why I think we're so needed. Where people are less happy.

• 42:33Ed Mylett?

  People are just less happy, like if life is measured not on oceanfront, by the way, if you live oceanfront and makes you happy, go get it, right? That's great. But if life's measured on the difference you make, how much closer you get to God, if the other measurement is happiness, I feel like a lot of people think they could do better in that area. So this is a hard question, but I'm just curious. Someone said, "I just want to be happier." What would your answer be to them? This is where I'd start, this is what I think.

• 42:59Jenna Kutcher?

  Talk to yourself the way you talk to your loved ones. It's that inner dialogue that is controlling us. And so many people, if, if the words that you were thinking about yourself today were to show up on these walls, would you be proud of them? And I just think that especially for women, but for anyone, what is that inner dialogue telling you? When you look in the mirror, when you think about the way your brain works, when you, what is that self-talk? And I feel like it's so crazy to me now when I can look, okay. Question, have you ever done this? You look at a past picture of yourself and you remember the insecurity you're feeling when that picture is being taken? It's not just women.

• 43:41Ed Mylett?

  Yes.

• 43:41Jenna Kutcher?

  And I look back at these photos and I'm like, "If only I knew how beautiful I was." I'm beautiful right now and it's not just about being beautiful, like, "If only I recognized how happy I was, if only I saw that." If we could change the way that we talk to ourselves and instead of highlighting insecurities and all of that, and we just sat in that moment and said like, "Right now, I'm healthy, I am loved, I'm worthy, I'm enough." It's not about mantras, it's like, like just encompassing that. But I have had to change that dialogue in my head every single day. You don't, you don't love yourself all of a sudden and like it's smooth sailing, it's waking up and making that decision.

• 44:24Jenna Kutcher?

  And saying like, "I will be kind to myself. I will love myself the way I love my daughter, I will, you know, like, I will control that conversation today." And it just, man, like I believe anything is possible for me.

• 44:39Ed Mylett?

  I love that.

• 44:40Jenna Kutcher?

  And I also believe that like I am in control of my destiny and I believe that I am beautiful and I believe that I have a gift to offer the world and I believe it's a disservice for me to shy away from that. And I believe all of that, like I hope you can feel like I am here. I earned my seat at the table and I'm not going anywhere. And so... If I can continue to just say that and believe it and let other people see that when you do that, when I step into my power, I let other people do that. That's it.

• 45:11Ed Mylett?

  Jenna, that's magnificent. By the way, that's a that's for men and women.

• 45:16Jenna Kutcher?

  Yes.

• 45:17Ed Mylett?

  But as you were saying it, do you agree that women are, women treat other people so well, they don't care for themselves the same way?

• 45:25Jenna Kutcher?

  The selflessness thing.

• 45:26Ed Mylett?

  Yeah, I do.

• 45:27Jenna Kutcher?

  And we've had to learn that. And I mean, everyone says this, but I literally paid attention when I was on the plane yesterday. They said, put on your oxygen mask before helping others. Women are the last people to do this. We run around and take care of everyone else and we, we wear that with a badge of honor. Like, our depletion means that we're doing it right. And it's like, no, no, no, we're doing it backwards. And so, yeah, I mean, being a mom and like, like literally keeping my child, sustaining my child's life right now. If I don't take care of myself, it all falls apart. And so, yeah, I listened to the flight attendant and just smiled when she said that yesterday because I'm like,

• 46:11Jenna Kutcher?

  you can see that on memes and quotes, but if you don't really truly understand that you cannot help others until you've helped yourself, you cannot pour from an empty cup. How are you filling your cup up today?

• 46:25Ed Mylett?

  Thank you for today.

• 46:26Jenna Kutcher?

  Thank you.

• 46:27Ed Mylett?

  It's so good.

• 46:28Jenna Kutcher?

  I know.

• 46:28Ed Mylett?

  It's so good. Can you feel it?

• 46:31Jenna Kutcher?

  I'm like, so when is part two?

• 46:32Ed Mylett?

  I know, that's what I'm thinking. I don't want it to be over, honestly. Like, it's so good. I've learned a lot today.

• 46:39Jenna Kutcher?

  Thank you.

• 46:40Ed Mylett?

  Listen to me, I learned a lot today. I love this. I'm so blessed that I get to do this and makes me, I'm just really grateful that you are here and I'm grateful that. I got to be here with you, so.

• 46:52Jenna Kutcher?

  You know those moments where you're like, "This is a memory."

• 46:54Ed Mylett?

  Yeah.

• 46:55Jenna Kutcher?

  This is one.

• 46:56Ed Mylett?

  Me too. Thank you so much.

• 46:58Jenna Kutcher?

  Thank you.

• 46:58Ed Mylett?

  I loved today. Alright, everybody. She got to me.

• 47:04Ed Mylett?

  Reminder, every day on Instagram, I run the Max Out 2 Minute Drill. Don't forget that. I want to engage with you closer, fastest growing by a mile. Personal Development, Life Strategy, Business, Leadership, whatever the heck you want to call my account in the world, and here's the reason why, because I connect with you every day. We pick winners every day. What do winners get? They get coached by me. Would you do one 15-minute call?

• 47:25Jenna Kutcher?

  Anything.

• 47:26Ed Mylett?

  Wow. 15-minute call with one of my guests, like Jenna. Tickets to see me speak. Some group just rode on my jet with me. Uh, Max Out Gear, my book, all kinds of cool stuff. And here's how you win. You, when I make a post on Instagram within the first 2 minutes, you just make a comment within the first 2 minutes. If you miss the first 2 minutes, just make a post on every post every day. At the end of the week, we add up the people who just comment anytime. 10 hours later, 15 hours later, we pick a winner from there. And then we also pick a winner, a third winner, who just makes a comment on other people's comments. So make your own comment in the first 2 minutes. If you miss the first 2 minutes, just make a comment anytime, every day, and comment with other people so you're engaging, communicating with each other. I read them all. I comment to about 1,000 of them a day. So I'm pretty engaged with you. And that's how I get to keep bringing you magnificent people like Jenna.

• 48:12Ed Mylett?

  Follow Jenna on Instagram and also her Goal Digger Podcast. God bless you, everybody, and Max out.