Roseanne Barr: My Bargain With God

It’s all about love this week as Bunnie welcomes comedy superstar, award-winning actress, best-selling author, and podcast host, Roseanne Barr. The iconic comedian shares stories about her mental health journey, leaving Hollywood, the car accident at 16 that changed everything, and the emotional moment she reunited with the daughter she gave up for adoption. She talks about what's next for her in this act, life on the Big Island, delivers a message to Jeff Bezos, and calls out the urgent need for better mental health care, especially for today’s youth. We love a spiritual woman with dirty thoughts! Roseanne Barr:IG https://www.instagram.com/officialroseannebarr/?hl=en| Podcast https://www.roseannebarr.com/ Watch Full Episodes & More: www.dumbblondeunrated.com

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• 0:00Bunnie XO?

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• 1:01Bunnie XO?

  Hey guys, I need to ask you a question. I want to know, why in the hell are you not on Patreon? I don't think you guys even realize how much content we have on Patreon. Let me break it down for you. We have the Bunny XO Show, we have Meet the Deportes, we have Popaganda, we have more shows that we're adding, and not to mention, we have the visuals of the podcast. Head over to www.patreon.com/dumbblondepodcast and sign up. Bunny XO. She was a Vegas girl. Bunny XO. She changed my life. Dumb Blonde Podcast and Bunny XO. Jelly rolls like Bunny XO. This Bunny. Bunny XO. Is this thing on? Ms. Roseanne, I'm so happy to have you on the podcast today.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm happy to be here.

• 1:46Bunnie XO?

  Our white trash mother is in the house, baby. I'm so excited, you have no idea.

• 1:54Speaker 01

  That's cool.

• 1:55Speaker 02

  Excited to be with you.

• 1:56Bunnie XO?

  Oh, this has been a long time coming. We've literally been talking for, I feel, it feels like years now, right?

• 2:02Speaker 02

  It is years.

• 2:03Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:04Speaker 02

  Cause I haven't been to Hawaii in years and I wanted to have you on over there.

• 2:07Bunnie XO?

  Yep. And then I think we were like on opposite islands or something when that happened. Yeah. I never realized how big Hawaii was until you had asked me to come on the pod and I was like, okay, yeah, we could do it. And then we looked and it was like, you were on like a whole nother island. I was like, holy shit.

• 2:21Speaker 02

  Everybody always thinks it's a, you know, well, they usually think it's just Maui.

• 2:27Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:27Speaker 02

  And then they think it's a bunch of other floating places.

• 2:30Bunnie XO?

  Or Honolulu.

• 2:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, Honolulu, right.

• 2:33Bunnie XO?

  Yep.

• 2:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a, what island is that? I can't even remember.

• 2:37Bunnie XO?

  Oahu? Is that Oahu?

• 2:38Speaker 02

  Oahu, yeah.

• 2:39Bunnie XO?

  I'm not well versed in Hawaii, but I,

• 2:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:42Bunnie XO?

  Is that, is that what it is? If I'm wrong, sorry, guys.

• 2:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's Oahu. That's where Honolulu is.

• 2:47Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 2:47Speaker 02

  And that's where my granddaughter was born. Cause we had to go over to Oahu, cause they had a good, uh, mother child hospital there. The island I live on is the big island, which everybody who lives there just calls Hawaii. That's the island named Hawaii.

• 3:05Bunnie XO?

  So is the big island Kona?

• 3:07Speaker 02

  No, the big island is Hawaii.

• 3:09Bunnie XO?

  Is Hawaii, okay.

• 3:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, but everybody forgets that and they say Kona, or they say the big island now. But it actually is the one that's named Hawaii.

• 3:19Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 3:20Speaker 02

  And it's the biggest island with the least amount of people, which I love, cause you can, uh, drive drunk over there and you won't get no accident.

• 3:29Bunnie XO?

  Are you driving drunk over there?

• 3:30Speaker 02

  Well, I was at the time, but I, I had to put an end to that because I don't see well, you know, and so there's no business to be driving drunk with just one eye.

• 3:42Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 3:43Speaker 02

  Uh, you know, at all. There's just no business for me to be doing that.

• 3:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 3:47Speaker 02

  And I hit a few people, but luckily I was not hurt.

• 3:50Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 3:51Speaker 02

  So I,

• 3:52Bunnie XO?

  A few speed bumps.

• 3:52Speaker 02

  That's a joke.

• 3:53Bunnie XO?

  A few, few speed bumps along the way, right?

• 3:56Speaker 02

  Well, I jerked the car when I saw they was having the McRib back there. At McDonald's, they never give you any warning for when the McRib's coming back.

• 4:06Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 4:06Speaker 02

  And with my one eye there drunk.

• 4:09Bunnie XO?

  You're like a pirate. You're like a friggin' drunk pirate.

• 4:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. And I never knew, but then when I seen the McRib was back, I went, oh, you know, to get over there in line, hit a couple of folk, but you know, I did get the McRib. And then I said, God, if you get me home with no Hawaiian police, of course, they're nowhere, because boy, they're always, you know, out eating and drinking. But I said, if you get me home, this is the last time I'm gonna do that. If you'll get me home without these people being able to identify me. And I made it.

• 4:45Bunnie XO?

  Isn't it crazy how we barter with God all the time? I live, you know how many times I have gotten down on my knees and said, Lord, if you get me out of this, I promise you, I'll never do this again.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  You know, what's funny is I'm writing a new sitcom for myself, and that's what it's about. It's about all that.

• 5:02Bunnie XO?

  Really?

• 5:02Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I think that's the funniest stuff in the world, how, how silly we are.

• 5:08Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 5:08Speaker 02

  About God.

• 5:09Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. What are your beliefs? I would love to know, because I hear you talk a lot about like, you know, like, like spiritual awakenings and how you feel like an alien and, you know, like, you know, you have some psychickness that runs through your veins. And I totally relate to that. And I just wanted to know, like, what is your spirituality?

• 5:28Speaker 02

  I'm trying, well, I do feel like an alien because, and I've always felt like an alien, because I knew I was on a different frequency than the rest of my family, because I didn't even get them. I didn't know what they were up to.

• 5:40Bunnie XO?

  Same, sister. Same, same.

• 5:43Speaker 02

  I tried to figure it out always, but it was like foreign. It wasn't nothing I would ever do. And it didn't make any sense to me. How come they would say one thing and then do the exact opposite thing right after?

• 5:55Bunnie XO?

  And then it pisses you off because you want to call them out because they're being hypocrites?

• 5:58Speaker 02

  Well, I didn't think they were being hypocrites. I was just like, why would anyone do that?

• 6:02Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 6:02Speaker 02

  Especially why would somebody say, they'd say like, you know, God sees everything you do. So you want to be real careful what you do because God sees it. Then the next minute, they're stealing something.

• 6:15Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 6:16Speaker 02

  I'd be like, well, you must not believe what you say.

• 6:19Bunnie XO?

  Right. Right.

• 6:21Speaker 02

  Or some of you doesn't.

• 6:22Bunnie XO?

  Or practice what you preach, right?

• 6:23Speaker 02

  Maybe some of you doesn't know what the other one does.

• 6:26Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 6:26Speaker 02

  So then I think, well, you know, they tell you, don't let your right hand know what your left hand's doing. So that's what they're up to, I guess. I don't know what they're doing.

• 6:37Bunnie XO?

  I, I, I.

• 6:38Speaker 02

  I always wanted to have things make sense.

• 6:42Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 6:43Speaker 02

  Right?

• 6:43Bunnie XO?

  Well, it's, I think you and I are kind of the same person and what's black is black, what's white is white, and we don't like the gray in between. Say what you mean and mean what you say, or don't say it at all, come real or don't come at all. And I don't think that's a bad trait to have in a person.

• 6:58Speaker 02

  Well, I just remember I got hit by a car when I was 16 and the hood ornament went in my head and I got a brain concussion and a head concussion.

• 7:07Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 7:07Speaker 02

  And I was in a coma and all that stuff. And when I woke up, I had some kind of malfunction in the brain, the healing process. But one thing that happened is I, I couldn't lie because, see, I mean, not that I'm a good person. I wanted to be a liar like everybody else, but I couldn't remember the lie. You know, the next day, it, it was just, I had to tell the truth.

• 7:36Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 7:36Speaker 02

  Cause I couldn't remember my lies.

• 7:38Bunnie XO?

  Right. Yeah, you didn't want to get caught up.

• 7:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 7:41Bunnie XO?

  Can we?

• 7:42Speaker 02

  The next day, I'd make up a whole new lie.

• 7:44Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 7:44Speaker 02

  And then they'd go, well, yesterday you said, so I go, oh, man, I told two lies. Then I just have to tell the truth because it's simpler.

• 7:53Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 7:53Speaker 02

  And I want to hear the truth so I don't have to wade through the other person's lies and bullshit to figure out what lying bullshit they're telling me. That's wasting my whole life.

• 8:05Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 8:05Speaker 02

  Just tell me the truth, I can deal with the truth. I'd rather have the truth and I'd rather tell the truth. Saves a lot of time, then I have more time for shopping on Amazon.

• 8:14Bunnie XO?

  Amen, sister. We were just talking about our love for Amazon. We're like both obsessed with Amazon.

• 8:20Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 8:21Bunnie XO?

  I told her that I have such a problem with shopping in the middle of the night and she said she does too. And we're like absolutely obsessed with Amazon. It's just too, it's too easy.

• 8:29Speaker 02

  Like I'm out there last night at 3 a.m. getting, I go, I gotta get a scrub brush for the porch, cause me and my granddaughter, we shoot bugs, you know, we got that bug killer with the salt.

• 8:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 8:41Speaker 02

  And it's so fun. And so we shoot all these June bugs. And then, you know, their blood squishes right out of them.

• 8:48Bunnie XO?

  Oh, wow.

• 8:48Speaker 02

  And it leaves a mark on the cement. So I gotta get a scrubber. I'm thinking at 3 a.m. waking up, you've got to get a scrubber. So I get on Amazon and I peruse through like 39 pages of different kinds of scrubbers.

• 9:02Bunnie XO?

  And then end up with like five. Yep. You get like, I always get like two or three of the same thing. Even when I order clothes, I order two of the same thing.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  Why?

• 9:12Bunnie XO?

  Different, different sizes.

• 9:13Speaker 02

  Cause you don't know if it's gonna fit.

• 9:15Bunnie XO?

  You never know. Yeah.

• 9:16Speaker 02

  Cause it never does fit, right?

• 9:17Bunnie XO?

  Ever.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  Nothing ever fits.

• 9:19Bunnie XO?

  Yes. And I like to have a selection, you know?

• 9:20Speaker 02

  Cause you know which one to send back?

• 9:22Bunnie XO?

  No, I just give it to my friends. So I have like girlfriends who live around me. So if I have any extra clothes, I just pile them all together and I just give it to them.

• 9:30Speaker 02

  Yeah. I try to do that too. But my daughter-in-law says I should send things back instead of doing that.

• 9:36Bunnie XO?

  I feel like it's so much more of a hassle to do that, you know?

• 9:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. I ask her to do it.

• 9:40Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  She's good at returns. She's really, uh, thrifty.

• 9:45Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 9:46Speaker 02

  That's a good word for it. She's thrifty.

• 9:48Bunnie XO?

  I admire that because I just can't do it. I don't have the patience to send stuff back. I'm just like, I'd rather give it to somebody else.

• 9:55Speaker 02

  Oh, you asked me about my spirituality. See, that's an alien word to me.

• 10:00Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 10:01Speaker 02

  Spirituality. When people say that, I have to say, what do you mean exactly by that? Cause everybody says spirituality. I don't know what they mean.

• 10:10Bunnie XO?

  So I think there's a difference. I think there's a difference between being religious and being spiritual. And I feel like being religious puts so many people into a box. So I feel like when you ask somebody, are you spiritual or what is your spirituality? That it's a little bit more fluid. So it's like, you know, there's some people like, what do you believe happens when we die? Like, where do you think we go? Do you think that there's a higher power? Do you think, do you believe in the devil? Like, there's so many different things and aspects of spirituality.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  That's a lot of questions. Well, I believe in God.

• 10:43Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Yeah. And, you know, I'm a Jew. I'm a scary Jew. I control everything in the world. And that's a hard job. I do try to control everything in the world because I'm so afraid everything's falling apart. And that I'm the only person alive who knows how to fix it. Because that's part of my mental makeup. And I just stay in that all day, talking to God. How do you think I can get shoved my way into this situation or that situation? To give these people my two cents of how they can fix things. Because every time when people listen to me, things go better for them.

• 11:27Speaker 02

  And I just feel like God put me here to tell people how to fix up their lives. And that's my spirituality. I just feel like God tells me what to do and I do it. So however you're gonna interpret, interpretate that. You know, every day he calls me, I'm like, what? I don't want him to bother me, but he does all the time. And he says, you know, you have to do it. And I'm like, can't you get somebody else? Can't you get somebody they want to hear it from? Can't you get a guy, a real good looking guy? Or a rapper or somebody like that they want to hear? He goes, no, it has to be you, Roseanne. Like, you know, I'll do it. But it never goes right for me when I do it.

• 12:11Speaker 02

  I say, how come it never goes right for me? I always do it wrong, you know?

• 12:16Bunnie XO?

  I feel like people want to hear from you, though. I feel like people, like, yes, you do take the fall and people do, you're an easy target for people to come after. But that doesn't mean that they're not listening to what you're saying. They listen to everything you say. Whether they apply it to their lives or not, that's a different story. But I do think people want, would rather hear messages from God from you than, you know, somebody who you just named, like a rapper or, you know, somebody else.

• 12:42Speaker 02

  Well, here's what he told me. I'm like, you know, I'll do it. But, you know, everyone's gonna hate me like they usually do when I say anything about the truth that you want me to tell. And he's like, well, you know, Roseanne.

• 12:57Speaker 02

  Nobody likes a truth teller. They only like him after they've been dead about 2,000 or so years. And only if they died in horrible, torturous deaths. Then they like him about 2,000 years later. But if the guy came again, they'd do it all over to him the second time. Because they don't like to hear the truth. Well, why? Because, you know, it's too scary. It's too naked. And it makes you have to change. And most people can't change, nor do they want to. They don't give a damn. They'd rather tell everybody else how to change, and so would I. But the only difference is, I did change. I changed not just once, but many, many times.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  And every time I changed, I wanted to tell people about it. Because I thought it was so great to be able to change. To be able to change from when your first reaction, you know, when the doctor hits you there. You go, whatever response or reflex. When your first reflex, like mine was at a time where I was so filled, so filled with negativity, to hate, to judge, to look outside myself for answers. And I changed that. Because I, I was able to crash to the bottom.

• 14:21Speaker 02

  And I didn't let, I stopped letting all this artificial crap prop me up. It just was all kicked out from under me and I crashed to the bottom. And that was just the best thing because it made me change. And it made me value different things. And the thing I valued most was my connection to God. And always did, but this time even, even more. Right. And I knew that it was transformative. And I knew that it was going to change me even more than the other thousand times God saved my life and brought about change in my negative.

• 15:03Speaker 02

  Reactions and I was able to change in that now and I cry over this because it is a miracle. Cause I'm a Scorpio.

• 15:14Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 15:15Speaker 02

  And I'm old and bitter and a Jew, but um, cause so I'm so paranoid too. And with mental health issues because of the horrible world, but as a child, but my first response now is love. I never understood it. I never knew.

• 15:39Speaker 02

  And what a different everything.

• 15:41Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 15:42Speaker 02

  I mean, you know what I'm talking about.

• 15:45Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely.

• 15:45Speaker 02

  I know you do.

• 15:46Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 15:46Speaker 02

  Cause I've watched and your story and you're, you're radiating love for this man whose whole

• 15:53Bunnie XO?

  Well.

• 15:54Speaker 02

  being is changing. I'm like, what is that guy on? I gotta get on that because I've got to lose weight, you know, I really do have to lose weight.

• 16:02Bunnie XO?

  You look phenomenal.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  I know, but I wanna look.

• 16:05Bunnie XO?

  You're tiny.

• 16:06Speaker 02

  I know, but I wanna look even better. I really do because a lot of these shops on Amazon on their, the luxury shops, they don't go above size eight.

• 16:16Bunnie XO?

  Really? I don't know. I think you're looking in the wrong places because I've.

• 16:19Speaker 02

  On those luxury shops on Amazon, on the Amazon, the new ones.

• 16:24Bunnie XO?

  I haven't made it over there yet on that, that side of it. I'm on the furniture side.

• 16:27Speaker 02

  Well, they're way too expensive. I'll tell you that Amazon's trying to rip us off with that because I'll go on there. They have some ugly dresses on there for $3,000 and I'm like, are you kidding? Are you kidding?

• 16:41Bunnie XO?

  Tell Jeff right now. I'm pretty good at listening. Jeff needs to calm it down.

• 16:44Speaker 02

  You gotta up your product on the luxury thing and down your prices, honey. I think it's that girl he's gonna marry. You know, I'm still negative when I'm in my comedy mode because you've gotta slap people a little at times when you're my age, but that girl he's marrying, she must have something to do with that luxury page. And I don't like the way she dresses. She might be a nice girl. I don't know. I don't like the way she's carrying herself and the way she's dressing. So she should have nothing to do with that luxury page. That's my opinion.

• 17:18Bunnie XO?

  How do you feel about the fact that she was just a part of the uh, group that went to space?

• 17:24Speaker 02

  I think about those people, those poor people that went to space and then something went wrong and they never returned. Why couldn't that happen?

• 17:33Bunnie XO?

  Well, they said, well, they said, they said that those people did come back. Didn't they come back in like March? The people that went up and they got stuck. Yeah, they did. They did say they came back. But yeah, that's

• 17:47Speaker 02

  But then they said those guys didn't really go anywhere, Katy Perry and them.

• 17:51Bunnie XO?

  Right. I was gonna, do you believe that they went?

• 17:53Speaker 02

  They never would have went in space, those girls.

• 17:56Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 17:57Speaker 02

  They'd have to be away from their handlers. They couldn't do that for two days. I know that, you know?

• 18:03Bunnie XO?

  Do you think Bezos is handling her? Or do you think she's handling Bezos?

• 18:07Speaker 02

  Who, the girlfriend? She's his handler.

• 18:09Bunnie XO?

  Oh, okay.

• 18:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think she's a dominatrix. I can, you know, you know, that business. You have information, as I do too, from the old days. You know, back when I was alive and had a sex drive and everything, but you know, she's a dominatrix. You can see that, right? She makes him put on a frilly pink apron and clean the house. I can see it. Can you?

• 18:32Bunnie XO?

  I don't, I don't really know too much about their relationship to analyze it. I think she's beautiful and I think Jeff, you know, it's, it's the tale is old.

• 18:40Speaker 02

  But their sex life, can't you just fantasize about that she makes him?

• 18:44Bunnie XO?

  Nothing about Jeff Bezos makes me want to fantasize anything. Okay? No, I'm, I do not have a thing for Jeff Bezos. Can't do it.

• 18:52Speaker 02

  You win that one.

• 18:54Bunnie XO?

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• 20:02Speaker 03

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• 20:31Bunnie XO?

  Can we circle back because I have heard you talk about-

• 20:35Speaker 02

  I'm a very spiritual woman who thinks really dirty thoughts.

• 20:39Bunnie XO?

  It's all right. Me too. That's why we get along, baby. Um, I wanted to bring it back to your childhood, though, because I got to-

• 20:47Speaker 02

  Bummer.

• 20:47Bunnie XO?

  I know, wah wah wah. But I really think that it's such a beautiful story of just how far you've came. And I think a lot of my generation who grew up with you loves you so much. But I also have a lot of younger listeners who might not know your life and like how you grew up. And being a Jew in Salt Lake City.

• 21:10Speaker 02

  You know, orthodox, raised in an orthodox Jewish family in Salt Lake City, Utah, in the ghetto.

• 21:17Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 21:18Speaker 02

  In the inner city. Yeah, they had an inner city there. And we was raised in a, a, a, an apartment house. It was like a tenement there that my grandparents had, they owned, and they had owned the only kosher butcher shop in the West, I think. And they had saved all their money and then they bought this apartment house. I think it had 10 apartments in it. It was two blocks away from their butcher shop. They had saved and all that stuff and they bought that. And that was the pride and joy, you know? And they, uh-

• 21:56Speaker 02

  Then World War II happened or something. And they ended up to sponsor 50, over the years, 50 refugee families from, you know, concentration camps in Europe. And when I was a little girl, every apartment building besides, I mean apartment in the building, besides mine and my aunt's, were those survivors.

• 22:26Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 22:26Speaker 02

  And so that's how I grew up. And every Friday night on Shabbat, everyone would come to my grandma's house for the Sabbath dinner. And she had a little window seat there. And I would entertain every Shabbat. I would entertain, because I like to see the people feeling happy and clapping and laughing rather than morose and sad. And so I'd like Shirley Temple. And so I would recreate the Shirley Temple experience for these poor people. And they loved it. And everyone in my family, I didn't realize that they were lying to me and destroying me in every way.

• 23:11Speaker 02

  But they told me that I was even better than Shirley Temple. And I believed them. They said I was more beautiful and more talented than Shirley Temple. And I totally believed them.

• 23:23Bunnie XO?

  But maybe they felt that way.

• 23:25Speaker 02

  Well, their feelings were not factual. I found out when I was 12 and went out into the world and attempted to do my Shirley Temple act for the other people in the world who told me, in fact, I was not pretty or more talented than Shirley Temple. And it really destroyed me. And yeah, I lived in a fantasy world all those years, trying to escape. You know, it was a horrible thing. And

• 23:58Speaker 02

  I had to hear all the stories and they were horrifying. And, uh, you know, people who are scarred and, uh, that kind of thing, you know? There's just no boundaries. You know, I had to hear horrible things and so I had to make up funny things.

• 24:16Bunnie XO?

  When you say-

• 24:17Speaker 02

  To balance it.

• 24:18Bunnie XO?

  When you say you heard horrible things, what are you referring to?

• 24:21Speaker 02

  Oh my God, they, they talk about what happened to them. And they always point to me- Cause I was the only kid and they go, little girls just like her. You know what they did to them and they'd tell and I'd be like, ew.

• 24:34Bunnie XO?

  Gosh.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  On the good ship. You know.

• 24:39Bunnie XO?

  Like, I don't want to hear, hear this stuff.

• 24:41Speaker 02

  Well, I did hear it. And, uh, you know, I thought that was what the world was still like. So I became very paranoid and mentally handicapped and all kinds of neurosis. And, you know, I thought that was what the world was like. And in, uh, and in many cases in my life, that's what it was like. Uh, we had a neighbor who didn't like Jews very much. In fact, hated them. And their father had been in the, uh, war on the German side and came to America. And his son, uh, used to torture me.

• 25:19Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 25:20Speaker 02

  And, um, abused me and say things like, we should have got you all. And I was only six or seven on my way home from school. My brother was nine years old and had had his nose broken nine times by getting the crap beat out of him every day after school. And, uh, you know, so-

• 25:39Bunnie XO?

  Just for being Jewish?

• 25:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 25:42Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 25:42Speaker 02

  So, you know, I know it's there and I always would think about how I could fight it. And I took a vow as a young girl that I always would fight any kind of hatred like that. Any kind of irrational hatred. And I always wondered why people were captured by it. And, um- I pretty much figured out why, because it's satanic. That kind of stuff, you're captive of Satan. And I knew that there were, I always knew that there was a war between good and evil. And that evil is about hate. And mine was about fear of hate.

• 26:26Speaker 02

  But I feared so bad that I actually was giving out hate vibes. And I didn't understand that, that I was attracting what I loathed. And I was giving it out too. Till I went to the side of like, man, I'm gonna feel love. And when I let it in, which ironically only happened after I got fired and humiliated and called a racist by real racist.

• 26:57Speaker 02

  I thought people were coming to get me, when they was calling me racist every day and all that stuff on TV. And people were coming up to my mom's house where I was scared shitless. Cause it was like, this is like the thing you feared your whole life. And they were coming up to my mom's porch. And I was like, oh my God, my mom, I was freaking out. And they, this was in Salt Lake, where I'd experienced those things. And they ring the doorbell and they go, here's some cookies. We, we want you to tell Roseanne, we love her so much. We just think it's terrible what they did to her. And these were people I didn't even know. And they just kept coming.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  And every time I would, then I'd get brave and go outside. And it would happen everywhere. And I got this feeling like I was shown love. And I let it in. I didn't go, either just using me, they're just setting me up. I didn't have the fear anymore. I didn't have the shield of fear, which lets in hate, which lets in division and.

• 28:10Speaker 02

  Doubt and all the negative. Love just brought all the positive in every way. I got funny again. I got real funny. I mean, I really cracked my grandkids up.

• 28:22Bunnie XO?

  No, I could imagine.

• 28:24Speaker 02

  Like, because I do.

• 28:25Bunnie XO?

  Having you as a grandma.

• 28:26Speaker 02

  Silly things that they love. And I don't have to use words, you know, which I really love that kind of silly. But I, I wanted to, uh, get back out there and fight for the stuff that I hold dear, which is all the stuff that I had on my show. Family love, equality, decency, helping people, you know, values that money isn't first.

• 28:59Bunnie XO?

  I think that's.

• 28:59Speaker 02

  Something else is first.

• 29:01Bunnie XO?

  I think that's what drew people to you too, is when, you know, in the eighties, you were one of the most powerful women, uh, in Hollywood. And to have a top rated show like Roseanne that pretty much showed a, you know, like, and I, I always call it in a world of feel-good family television, because there was like Family Matters, Full House. And then there's Roseanne, who, you know, you guys painted a picture of what real families were about, like, everything else was kind of like cookie cutter and like sugary, whereas yours was real and raw. And I think that you showed people how to love. You're good, mama?

• 29:41Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 29:43Bunnie XO?

  I think you showed people how to love, um, just by being yourself. So to hear you say that you were so negative and stuff like that, was that after the Roseanne stuff?

• 29:55Speaker 02

  No, the show was my therapy.

• 29:57Bunnie XO?

  Was it? Okay.

• 29:58Speaker 02

  It was my soul and my God thing. It's like, I'm gonna tell, I'm gonna make something good from this. But, you know, like all comics and all prior writers and people like that, creatives. I mean, it does come from a, oh, I'm a troll and a slug, but I produce a great song. I mean, we're all kind of that way, you know?

• 30:23Bunnie XO?

  Our worst enemies.

• 30:24Speaker 02

  Well, we're in pain and that's what makes us creative so much. Especially when you're young. That's why people take drugs and, you know, everybody's doing all that. But, but when you're older and you get that big change, where it's like, oh, man, I don't, I don't have to do that anymore. It's from another place now. I guess it's wisdom of age. Cause now, uh, I'm writing, uh, like I said, I'm writing another short show. And, uh, I think it's so funny, the people I have in it are funny. And it's a, we're just busting a gut.

• 31:03Speaker 02

  It's a different experience of people who love me and are creative and fun. I just want to have fun this time.

• 31:13Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 31:13Speaker 02

  Just fun, fun, fun and laughs off them. No fighting, nothing. I'm doing it as an experience, experiment, cause I, of course, made a bargain with God. You know, I think I have one more thing in me and I just promised joy, cause you know, I'm a Jew, like I say, and I do study Torah. And Torah tells us that God loves our joy so much more than he. I, I should, I'm not saying it right, but of course he has mercy on us for us when we're in sorrow. But he has great, great joy when we have joy.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  So I'm doing that to give joy to God rather than when he had to give me so much mercy. You don't want to create out of joy. Cause I feel like, hell, I'm 72. I gotta go out big, happy, big.

• 32:14Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 32:15Speaker 02

  And, uh, You know, buying all kind of Amazon things.

• 32:21Bunnie XO?

  What is it like aging, you know, in Hollywood and just seeing yourself from the beginning till now? Would you ever expect to be in the mind frame that you're in now back then?

• 32:35Speaker 02

  Well, I left Hollywood, you know, I left Hollywood after Roseanne Show, which ended in ninety ninety seven. And, you know, I don't want my kids raised there. I don't want to be there when I wasn't working. So, you know, then I went to Hawaii and I was a farmer.

• 32:54Bunnie XO?

  Immediately? So in the nineties is when you went to Hawaii?

• 32:58Speaker 02

  Uh, I can't remember. I have to look it up.

• 33:02Bunnie XO?

  No worries.

• 33:03Speaker 02

  But anyway, yeah, when my son was going in ninth grade, I don't know what year it was. But anyways, I went over there and bought a farm and immediately started farming. And my son went to high school there and all my grandkids were there and we just were farming. I never went back to Hawaii, I mean to Hollywood.

• 33:26Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 33:27Speaker 02

  Till they called me and begged me. And, you know, I came back and had another number one show after 20 years. I did it twice. And so, uh, that was pretty spectacular.

• 33:39Bunnie XO?

  I think that's a testimony to who you are.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  Well, I didn't want to do it, but God was bugging me that time. He's like, you need to go back because they're trying to

• 33:51Speaker 02

  divide people along so many divisions like race, class, everything, male, female. Go, go do the show about everybody getting along despite who they're voting for. So I'm like, yeah, okay, I will. And, you know, got 28 million viewers the first, first two weeks. And then it went down just a little bit like everything always does, but. It made a huge impact and I felt like it did open dialogue between between Republicans and Democrats and everybody else and then, oh, they hated that. Cause they needed.

• 34:31Bunnie XO?

  Well, unity when people.

• 34:32Speaker 02

  They needed division because the 2018 elections was coming up and, you know, they make money off that division. They fundraise like hell. That's all they care about. But, um, you know, we lived through it and here we are in 2025. I think it's the golden age now. I think it's the beginning of the golden age of America and the world too. And I, I just think that's the way God wants it and that's the way it's going.

• 34:57Bunnie XO?

  Did you ever think that you would be so full of love and have the mind frame that you have now back then?

• 35:03Speaker 02

  Well, I prayed for it my whole life that I, that I would have wisdom and be rid of my demons and fears. I prayed for my whole life, but of course I never, I never, I tried to be on a lot of meds and psychiatrics and every other kind of damn thing, uh, but nothing worked till getting fired and going down to hell and being rose back up by the wings of God almighty. Well, that worked real good. So you gotta say, hey, thanks, you buttholes. You know, thanks a lot. I didn't see the diamond lining in that black cloud. But I do now and I'm happier than hell and I'm happy to tell people that, you know, when you're at your lowest,

• 35:49Speaker 02

  that's when, if you've got the right heart and you see that you're at your lowest and you ask God humbly to help you, that's when everything opens up, don't it?

• 36:00Bunnie XO?

  Ma'am, yes, ma'am.

• 36:01Speaker 02

  It's funny how stuff works.

• 36:03Bunnie XO?

  I always say when you're on your knees, you're in the best position to pray.

• 36:07Speaker 02

  Right? Well, you can pray a lot of other ways too. You don't have to really be on your knees.

• 36:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 36:12Speaker 02

  You can be standing on your head or, you know, in a supermarket or you can be anywhere and it's always now. Isn't that great?

• 36:22Bunnie XO?

  Yes, ma'am.

• 36:23Speaker 02

  And now is, now is always the right time to start doing it.

• 36:27Bunnie XO?

  Yes. Yeah, I heard you just talk about saying that you've taken, you know, psychiatric drugs and stuff like that.

• 36:32Speaker 02

  Oh, hell, yeah.

• 36:34Bunnie XO?

  I do know that you've also been on like a spiritual healing with like ayahuasca.

• 36:38Speaker 02

  Oh, no, I never did that. I wish.

• 36:40Bunnie XO?

  You never did ayahuasca, okay.

• 36:41Speaker 02

  I'm too scared to do that.

• 36:42Bunnie XO?

  What about mushrooms?

• 36:43Speaker 02

  Well, I did do them one time. Yeah, I did them a couple of times. Well, I always do the, uh, the low dose there because I don't really want to see things. I just want no anxiety. I have such anxiety.

• 36:57Bunnie XO?

  Do you?

• 36:58Speaker 02

  Oh, my God.

• 36:59Bunnie XO?

  Let's talk about it because I do too. You also talk about having OCD as a child too, which I suffer from OCD and I talk about it on the podcast. So when I read that you had said that you had a fear of, you had rituals and you had a fear of contamination, I was like, I could, I relate to that so much. Like if I open a water bottle and I take my eyes off of it, I have to have a whole new water bottle.

• 37:22Speaker 02

  I do that one.

• 37:23Bunnie XO?

  Do you? Is that contamination OCD also?

• 37:26Speaker 02

  Well, I think it's the fear of germs.

• 37:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, well, mine's drug related.

• 37:30Speaker 02

  Or getting poisoned.

• 37:31Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 37:32Speaker 02

  Right?

• 37:32Bunnie XO?

  Or drugged, yes.

• 37:33Speaker 02

  Mm-hmm, drugged, yeah. Because that does happen.

• 37:36Bunnie XO?

  No, it's happens all the time and you can't, I just don't trust people.

• 37:40Speaker 02

  I don't either.

• 37:40Bunnie XO?

  Where do you think your OCD in childhood came from? Because that's, you know, normally that stems from some sort of, something that has happened. Uh, you know, like I know mine stems from abuse and just, I grew up in a very abusive household. So my OCD started at a very young age because of that. Where do you think yours came from?

• 38:01Speaker 02

  Well, my parents were, my whole family was insane.

• 38:04Bunnie XO?

  You're right. No, same, sister.

• 38:07Speaker 02

  Insane.

• 38:07Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 38:08Speaker 02

  I mean, really, seriously crazy and, uh, but, you know, because of PTSD and horror. So they didn't know what the hell they were doing. But like our house, I mean, you wouldn't, you wouldn't believe it. It's just too crazy.

• 38:24Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 38:25Speaker 02

  My parents, all they did was make out. The two of them made out and they had four kids and they just, uh, all they did was make out, which gave me a. Repulsion for human sexuality, of course.

• 38:37Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no.

• 38:39Speaker 02

  It was disgusting. I remember when, ugh.

• 38:42Bunnie XO?

  Was it regular making out?

• 38:43Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. Like, he'd come home from work and she'd be standing there in front of the heat. She turned on the heat and it took me a long time to put it together. She'd have this pen war set. All of us would just be sitting there. And she, she'd stand in front of the heat so this pen war would billow out there. She'd have these ruby red lips on. She looked like Liz Taylor. She was the beauty of... She was like the only beautiful Jewish girl in the whole town. The rest of them looked like Ruth Buzzy. But anyway, and my dad was the only Jewish football hero ever in Utah, or the world, I guess. But, uh, so he'd come through the door and she'd be there with the ruby red lips.

• 39:28Speaker 02

  And he'd come home from work and she'd be there all billowed out with the pen war and the red lips. And, oh, it was so gross. And daddy, he'd go, well, hello there. And then he'd rush to her like Clark Gable or some hideous thing like in some movie. And then just start kissing. They'd just always be kissing. Oh, it was just hickening.

• 39:54Bunnie XO?

  I hate that because me and my husband make out all the time. So I wonder if our kid feels the same way.

• 39:59Speaker 02

  Oh, I'm sure they will. They do. I'm sure they do. Ask them.

• 40:03Bunnie XO?

  I, well, we do all the time. She's always like, you know, she's so used to it now because we do. But I mean, we're not like full on like swap and spit, but we're very affectionate with each other. So I just hope it doesn't send her on a path of being repulsed of sexual behavior in any sort of way.

• 40:19Speaker 02

  Well, the other ones all went gay.

• 40:22Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no.

• 40:23Speaker 02

  So, uh, you know, I don't know. They're probably repulsed by heterosexuality. But, uh, you know, it just, it was all... So daddy was always trying to kill us kids so that he could just have mom by himself.

• 40:37Bunnie XO?

  Oh, no.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  But he wasn't conscious of the fact that he was always trying to kill us.

• 40:41Bunnie XO?

  How would he try to kill you?

• 40:42Speaker 02

  Well, uh, we didn't have any furniture or anything because daddy said, I could live in a tent. I don't need any furniture. I could live in a tent. A man is owned by the things he owns. Say all that kind of crazy comedy shit, you know. We were like, Dad, we have no place to sit or do our homework. Yeah, you don't need any. You know, so mom finally went to therapy and so she said, we're gonna have a regular house.

• 41:14Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 41:14Speaker 02

  You know, so.

• 41:17Speaker 02

  Anyway, she says he's gonna remodel, so he strips all the wallpaper off the walls with a kerosene thing and he leaves it on and he's smoking in the house. And, uh, yeah, and so the neighbors

• 41:31Speaker 02

  the neighbors called the cops and they come over there with the welfare. And they go, Mr. Bard, do you realize you've stripped all your wallpaper off and you have kerosene? He never threw the wallpaper out either. Uh, you have kerosene soaked rags in your home with cigarettes with four children. He goes, I'm sorry, sir. It never occurred to me that that was a bad thing to do, sir.

• 41:53Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my gosh.

• 41:54Speaker 02

  My dad was horrified because it never occurred to him, right? So, you know, that kind of thing. They go, you have forty-eight hours to clean this up or you're, we're gonna take your kids out of this house, so.

• 42:06Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 42:07Speaker 02

  So they leave and my dad comes over, he slaps him across the head. Get cleaning this place up.

• 42:13Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 42:14Speaker 02

  And then we'd have to go down to get our clothes to go to school because we only had two towels for six people.

• 42:21Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:22Speaker 02

  And, uh, because dad didn't want to spend any money on towels. But anyway, we have to go in the laundry, in the, uh, dryer to get our clothes for school and above the dryer was a naked light bulb that you have to stand in a puddle of water to screw in before you get your clothes out of the dryer.

• 42:41Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 42:42Speaker 02

  So every day we'd go down to get either a towel or our clothes and we would get like a horrible shock. We, and it was like we'd make fun of it. Us kids would go, wake up, brush your teeth, eat breakfast, go down, get three hundred, you know, microwave shock, get your clothes, pack your lunch. And then, you know, they said, we just laugh about it. Nobody said, it's dangerous to have your children stand in a puddle of water and screw in. A light bulb on a wired hanging down.

• 43:17Bunnie XO?

  That is insane.

• 43:18Speaker 02

  And it was always like, there was all like, all booby trap crazy shit.

• 43:23Bunnie XO?

  But well, no wonder you had OCD. I could see, I could see all the trauma right now.

• 43:26Speaker 02

  And I would always do everything five times because I knew if I'd, because sometimes I'd do things twice. And then I would recognize the pattern of something's horribly wrong is going to start a fire.

• 43:38Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 43:39Speaker 02

  So I always have to do everything five times to make sure like the door was locked because sometimes they'd leave the door wide open when we went to sleep. I have to go down and check, check, check, check, check. But they got better. My parents did get better.

• 43:54Bunnie XO?

  Good. Well, I'm happy to hear that. Didn't they, um, also, wasn't it hard for you guys to be Jews in, you know, such a Mormon filled city? Do they have you hide your, your, you know, being Jewish?

• 44:10Speaker 02

  Well, my mother was very paranoid because we lived in a, surrounded by, you know, Mormon people.

• 44:19Speaker 02

  They were mostly nice people.

• 44:21Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 44:22Speaker 02

  But they didn't understand why they did things like, say, we are not allowed to play with Jewish kids on Sunday.

• 44:30Speaker 02

  Stuff like that. They didn't know what they were doing.

• 44:33Bunnie XO?

  But weren't you giving speeches at like the Mormon temple? I had read something like that.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. That's when I was about four or five years old.

• 44:41Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 44:41Speaker 02

  I fell on the table leg and I got Bell's palsy in my face.

• 44:45Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my goodness.

• 44:46Speaker 02

  And so I say in my book, uh, one of my books, I said, uh, the first thing mom does is call the rabbi to come over and pray. Nothing happens. Second thing, they convince her to call the Mormons to pray. They come over and pray and it goes away. And in my book, I say, why a health professional was never consulted, you may ask, but that's Utah.

• 45:07Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 45:08Speaker 02

  They just pray for everything and it worked. And then, so we started going around to the Mormon church to talk about how that healed my Bell's palsy. And then when I was 15, I was always reading medical journals because that was my hobby, looking for disease. And. And it says Bell's palsy, often a forty eight hour condition. So then I went berserk and ran in the street and got hit by a car. And that's when I got the brain damage and started having seizures and all kinds of things. But then I did start actually having foresight. I did see things before they would happen.

• 45:50Bunnie XO?

  Did you ever have that before the accident?

• 45:52Speaker 02

  I don't remember having it before the accident. I did have visions before the accident of thinking information was coming to me. You know, I just interviewed Alex Jones about that.

• 46:05Bunnie XO?

  I'm obsessed.

• 46:06Speaker 02

  Downloads like from heaven, heavenly information coming down, that there was no way I would know.

• 46:13Bunnie XO?

  Right. You didn't know how to receive it at the time?

• 46:16Speaker 02

  I didn't even know why I knew it.

• 46:19Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 46:20Speaker 02

  But I would find it later in a book, word for word, a book I never read.

• 46:25Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 46:26Speaker 02

  A lot of that when I was younger.

• 46:30Speaker 02

  Because I had, I mean, I had dissociative identity disorder.

• 46:34Bunnie XO?

  Did you, so you had that before you were hit?

• 46:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:37Bunnie XO?

  With the, when did you get diagnosed with that?

• 46:40Speaker 02

  Um, I was forty two. So that was when I was on the Roseanne show.

• 46:44Bunnie XO?

  So, but, okay, so, but before you got hit by the vehicle, you never had any sort of mental issues or anything like that?

• 46:51Speaker 02

  Well, I didn't know I did.

• 46:52Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 46:53Speaker 02

  I mean, I just thought everything was, you know, crazy.

• 46:56Bunnie XO?

  Right. Well, you were also only fifteen, right? When you got hit by that car?

• 46:59Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:00Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so.

• 47:01Speaker 02

  And then, then I had real, like, you know, from catastrophic brain and like football players get, you know.

• 47:11Bunnie XO?

  Right, like sixties.

• 47:12Speaker 02

  So I spent about ten years healing from that and didn't even know about my

• 47:19Speaker 02

  dissociate, dissociative problem.

• 47:23Bunnie XO?

  Gotcha.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  So then, uh, boy, this sounds like a sad saga for hell. Then I, uh,

• 47:29Bunnie XO?

  No, it sounds like.

• 47:30Speaker 02

  I had experiences like I would put myself in really weird, unsafe positions and.

• 47:38Speaker 02

  Just suddenly go, why am I here? What have I done?

• 47:41Bunnie XO?

  Like impulsive?

• 47:43Speaker 02

  Well, just waking up in a strange place.

• 47:45Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 47:46Speaker 02

  Not knowing what the hell I was doing there. All, always, that was always in my life, but it, it uh.

• 47:54Bunnie XO?

  Was that alcohol or drug induced?

• 47:56Speaker 02

  No, that was dissociation.

• 47:58Bunnie XO?

  Just, oh, gotcha, okay.

• 47:59Speaker 02

  Like, you know.

• 48:01Bunnie XO?

  Just completely being separated from your body?

• 48:04Speaker 02

  Well, having amnesia.

• 48:05Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 48:06Speaker 02

  That's what it is, if you have amnesia between the parts of you. You know, like, but that helped me when I was on TV because when I go into this one certain mind space, I can write a hundred and fifty jokes in an hour.

• 48:23Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 48:23Speaker 02

  Cause I just focus, so there's intense focus and it goes, you know. And then another space that I can get into is, um, you know, religious study. And I can just int- but those used to be parts, now they're just mind spaces, you know. But I didn't rec- remember between what I had done, you know.

• 48:48Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 48:49Speaker 02

  So it, it, it's chronic mental illness.

• 48:52Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 48:53Speaker 02

  And then I had the frosting on top with the needing to do everything five times and fear of touching people and not knowing what was just real, uh, social, I had social anxiety and I never knew what to say to people.

• 49:09Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  But I could play a character.

• 49:13Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  And do stand up.

• 49:15Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 49:15Speaker 02

  But one on one, I was never any good at the one on one thing.

• 49:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 49:19Speaker 02

  You know.

• 49:19Bunnie XO?

  No, I understand that. At my first meet and greet, I wore gloves and a mask and people thought I was, but I'm so open about what my, you know, OCD and stuff like that, that, you know, people online, when they first saw it, they were like, how, how are you doing this? Like, that's so rude. But then when I came out and I was like, look, I have severe OCD. I don't like shaking people's hands.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  I don't either. I never do that.

• 49:39Bunnie XO?

  I will not, I, I'll fist bump you.

• 49:41Speaker 02

  Uh huh.

• 49:41Bunnie XO?

  Or I'll hug you.

• 49:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, right, me too.

• 49:43Bunnie XO?

  Yes. I will not shake somebody's hands. If somebody's hand is wet or.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  Oh, that's the worst. Oh, I almost vomit.

• 49:51Bunnie XO?

  I'll think about it all day. I'll think about it all day. I can't do it too much.

• 49:57Speaker 02

  Cause I'll go into like a horrifying nervous breakdown. The last time I did it, I said that I'm not doing it again. I knew the guy was gonna have a fish hand. And I was like, no, they're going, you had to shake his hand. This is a, I go, I know it's gonna happen. And then it's like, oh, and then it's like, I can, then I, like, also, when I touch people, I can read their thoughts. Can you?

• 50:24Bunnie XO?

  Um, I, it's not that I can read their thoughts, but I can read their energy. Yeah, we talk about it. At the minute, somebody walks in a room, I'm like, this person's doing this, this one's going through this, they're going through this. Like, I call it, it's just crazy.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Hand to hand, you can focus in hard.

• 50:40Bunnie XO?

  I don't want to. I can't do it.

• 50:41Speaker 02

  Neither.

• 50:42Bunnie XO?

  I can't, when somebody goes in for a handshake, it's like slow mo and I could just hear it like.

• 50:49Bunnie XO?

  My insides start like just, I can't do it. Like, I hate it. And so they'll go in and I'll just like, a fist bump, you know, like.

• 50:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, me too.

• 50:57Bunnie XO?

  The way people look at me when I do that too, like, can we normalize fucking fist bumping? I don't know where your hands have been, you know?

• 51:03Speaker 02

  Cause people don't know, this is the part of your body where a lot of healing energy is, so you don't wanna give that away to some. But every time when I get the fish hand thing, oh, I've seen people too. I say it on stage. I don't shake hands because I've seen people pull their pants out of their butt crack and then turn around and wanna shake my hand. Hey, Rosa. I'm like, God. I'm not touching you.

• 51:31Bunnie XO?

  Listen, you are preaching to the choir. I am the same way. I can't do it. Um, so when you, okay, so I, I just kinda wanna paint a picture for everybody at home. So you ended up at sixteen getting hit by a car and then you went into a mental hospital. I heard you talk about it.

• 51:45Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 51:46Bunnie XO?

  Joe Rogan for about nine months?

• 51:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, about nine months, Utah State Hospital.

• 51:52Bunnie XO?

  That's a long time.

• 51:53Speaker 02

  I know.

• 51:55Bunnie XO?

  I went into one when I was fourteen. My parents put me into one. I ended up leaving home at fourteen, cause I had such an abusive household and I never went back. But their last hurrah was to put me in a mental hospital and I was in there for just a few days, maybe a week. And the shit I saw in there in a week, I couldn't imagine what you saw in nine months. Like, it was wild. What, like, how state assisted facilities are ran is crazy. I don't even know how they're allowed to be open.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  It's unspeakable.

• 52:27Bunnie XO?

  No, it's, it's not okay.

• 52:29Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 52:30Bunnie XO?

  And I don't know how the state keeps funding people, places like this for people. It's, there's nothing healing about them.

• 52:36Speaker 02

  It's the opposite.

• 52:37Bunnie XO?

  Exactly.

• 52:38Speaker 02

  Well, I did learn a lot about government there.

• 52:42Bunnie XO?

  Did you?

• 52:42Speaker 02

  You know, everybody's always like, how did you figure all this stuff out? Or where'd you get this opinion? Well, because I saw it firsthand. I saw what they do to kids.

• 52:51Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 52:51Speaker 02

  I saw it.

• 52:53Bunnie XO?

  What, what can you, is there an example?

• 52:54Speaker 02

  Well, they farm them.

• 52:56Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 52:56Speaker 02

  They farm kids, uh, you know, of course, uh.

• 53:00Bunnie XO?

  When you say farm kids, what do you mean by that?

• 53:03Speaker 02

  Well, I was on an adult ward.

• 53:05Bunnie XO?

  As a teenager?

• 53:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 53:07Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 53:08Speaker 02

  Which was even worse.

• 53:09Bunnie XO?

  I couldn't imagine.

• 53:10Speaker 02

  Than being on a child, a child or a teenager's unit.

• 53:13Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 53:14Speaker 02

  But, um, it's way worse. And, uh, dangerous. And it's like being in prison.

• 53:20Bunnie XO?

  Why would they have a child on a, on an adult floor?

• 53:23Speaker 02

  I don't know, but they did. They had two, two of us girls. The other girl was 12. And I was, uh, sixteen.

• 53:34Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm. How's that even legal?

• 53:37Speaker 02

  I don't know.

• 53:38Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 53:39Speaker 02

  But the other kids in our school where we went every day, uh,

• 53:45Speaker 02

  they, a lot of them were on a teen, I don't know, they ran out of room or something.

• 53:51Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 53:51Speaker 02

  But they,

• 53:55Speaker 02

  you know, it was kind of like cuckoo's nest at that time. I mean, this was when, the sixties.

• 54:00Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 54:01Speaker 02

  And if you didn't, I mean, people, they didn't know how to treat mental illness.

• 54:06Bunnie XO?

  No, they still kind of don't. It's a little bit more. Fluid now and more talked about, but you know, when our daughter was going through some mental health issues, trying to even find somewhere to help a teen that's going through mental issues is impossible.

• 54:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it is.

• 54:23Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, so they haven't gotten much better.

• 54:26Speaker 02

  No, they're no better. My kids, I had a problem with my daughters as teens too.

• 54:31Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 54:31Speaker 02

  Two of them and you know, I sent them through every kind of thing there was.

• 54:35Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 54:36Speaker 02

  And that was all a horrible nightmare too.

• 54:39Bunnie XO?

  No, it's horrible. They don't care about mental health out here like they should.

• 54:44Speaker 02

  And that's the real, what do you call it? Where it's like just widespread and wide, wild.

• 54:52Bunnie XO?

  Epidemic.

• 54:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's the word. That's the real of young people.

• 54:56Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 54:58Speaker 02

  Because you know, they have, their memory banks are just over flooded.

• 55:04Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 55:05Speaker 02

  And

• 55:05Bunnie XO?

  Overstimulated.

• 55:06Speaker 02

  Nobody gives them the cornerstone to cling to.

• 55:11Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 55:12Speaker 02

  There's no

• 55:13Bunnie XO?

  No coping.

• 55:14Speaker 02

  There's no foundation to cling to.

• 55:17Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 55:18Speaker 02

  The foundations are kicked out from under them and

• 55:23Speaker 02

  I, I thought that too, when I did the Roseanne show. So I tried to, you know, put a stake there that the, the family was still the, the foundation. And of course it is, but look what they've, how they've just destroyed it.

• 55:38Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 55:39Speaker 02

  But I think we'll come back. I think we'll come back to the real values that humanity really cares about. I mean, people want to get married and have kids. They want to have family. They want to have community.

• 55:52Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 55:52Speaker 02

  They want to have love and everybody wants the same thing. Safe places for their children, schools they can learn in, places we can hang out and, you know, care for our neighbors and. I think we're gonna have to be the ones to do it. Cause everything's kicked out from under us and we just gotta rebuild it.

• 56:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  Right?

• 56:14Bunnie XO?

  I couldn't agree more. I'm so.

• 56:15Speaker 02

  And we have to do it. Nobody's gonna do it for us, cause they'll just F it up and use us again and take everything we got. But we, we need to talk to each other across boundaries they've made for us.

• 56:29Bunnie XO?

  We have to use our voice.

• 56:30Speaker 02

  Stupid divisive things. Talk to other people that ain't just like you. And we'll build some kind of network between us.

• 56:37Bunnie XO?

  Mm hmm.

• 56:37Speaker 02

  And we'll make it work for us.

• 56:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely. Circling back, when you said that they, that you saw them farming children, like, what did you mean by that? And like, what did you witness in that hospital?

• 56:49Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. It's too much to even go into.

• 56:52Bunnie XO?

  Really?

• 56:52Speaker 02

  I mean, if you, if you didn't, uh, knuckle under, you paid a price. You paid a horrible price. And they had collective punishment. So that if one person did something, everyone lost their privileges.

• 57:07Bunnie XO?

  Hmm. To create discord in the.

• 57:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was the worst.

• 57:12Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 57:12Speaker 02

  Um, yeah, that was the worst. There was no incentive for you to get better because of that.

• 57:17Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 57:18Speaker 02

  Cause somebody would F off every time and you'd be punished. I mean, it was collective. It was communism. And that's supposed to make you better. And then the craziest ones that they couldn't treat, because they had no idea of how to treat mental health issues in the sixties in Provo, Utah.

• 57:39Bunnie XO?

  Hmm.

• 57:40Speaker 02

  They, they started our therapy group with prayer, for one thing, which I don't discount that, but I mean, come on. Uh, and they handed out pills like it was candy and I was on excessive pills. I couldn't really think, which probably was good, but, um, I was just flat.

• 58:05Speaker 02

  Uh, flat affectation. And that was probably good because one of the people who didn't.

• 58:13Speaker 02

  Knuckle under or get it or obey or whatever it was they were trying to teach a mentally ill teenager, you know, of course, they killed themselves over there were many who did and you know, oh, well, well, he killed himself and you're just supposed to go on to school the next day. It was your friend and

• 58:42Speaker 02

  oh, it's just horrible. They take us out on panels to go talk to people at universities who laughed at us.

• 58:51Bunnie XO?

  They would take you guys all drugged out to go and talk on panels?

• 58:55Speaker 02

  Talk about why we're in there and these sophomoric students would just be sophomoric and stupid and ask us stupid questions about, you know, people don't understand anything to do with mental

• 59:14Speaker 02

  illness at all. They still don't. I don't think any better now than back in the 60s.

• 59:19Bunnie XO?

  No, ma'am.

• 59:20Speaker 02

  And it's just rife. It's epidemic. Oh, my God, and they're not doing anything about it besides just drugging people and that doesn't work.

• 59:30Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 59:31Speaker 02

  It just makes me so sad to see all these kids just what they're doing to the kids is horrible. Oh, my God, don't get me started. But I want to fight it. You know, I have the will to out of love for them.

• 59:48Speaker 02

  To want to fight for them because I wish somebody had fought for me and you. And we have big voices. So I always try to talk to people about mental health for young people. I think it's real important. I'm glad we're talking about it. And I know people who are finally doing something about healing and, you know, with Mary Flynn, who's, you know, General Flynn's sister and my friends are are doing a lot. Moms for America. They're doing a lot finally in that to to help kids who are.

• 1:00:26Speaker 02

  Captive and suffering all over the world. We all have to do our part there.

• 1:00:31Bunnie XO?

  When you just said Provo, Utah, that gave me chills because that's what Paris Hilton speaks out about because she was sent away to, you know,

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  Riverside.

• 1:00:41Bunnie XO?

  Yep. And so you were like one of the OGs who was there in the 60s, you know, and then to know that in the 60s that was going on and then all the way into the 90s and 2000s when Paris Hilton was there, it's still going on like.

• 1:00:55Speaker 02

  It got worse between, I mean, it got even worse, I think, between me and the Paris because mine was state controlled and then it was privatized. And by the time Paris had her thing, it was all privatized. So you didn't even have to be a real doctor.

• 1:01:15Bunnie XO?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:01:15Speaker 02

  To get at them kids. And that's really where they farmed them. They farmed a lot of kids that way. I mean, they farm them into, you know, sex trafficking them, you know, pretending they're, oh, God, it's just the worst. It's the worst. America needs to be more responsible for its young people and change that up and fix that up right away. It should be, it's my priority, education and saving the kids of America. Oh, my God. Let's not even go down there. There's a lot of work to do.

• 1:01:48Bunnie XO?

  So moving on, there was another interesting fact about you that I had read and it was that, you know, after you had gotten out of the psychiatric hospital, 17, you end up getting pregnant and having a baby.

• 1:02:02Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:03Bunnie XO?

  And then you give your baby up for adoption, but you rekindle later on down the road. Can you tell me about that journey? Because that's so beautiful.

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, I was at the Salvation Army, home for Udenwood mothers in Denver. And they, I got to have her for a week and I gave her up to Jewish Family and Children's Services there in Denver and.

• 1:02:34Speaker 02

  So I knew I would always be able to find her and I kept my name Roseanne Barr. And I knew I was gonna get famous because when I was three, one of the visions I had is that you're gonna have your own TV show that's gonna be called Roseanne and you're gonna be talking a lot of, you know, stuff about love on it. And so all that happened, of course, which is why I believe in God, because it happened. And I always believed it would happen. And so I told her when they came to get her, "Well, I'll see you when you're 18." And I knew, and I knew I'd be famous and I knew, because I'd have my show. So I left my name Roseanne Barr.

• 1:03:17Speaker 02

  Cut to, she's, I have my show, she's 17 and a half.

• 1:03:23Bunnie XO?

  Did she always know about you?

• 1:03:25Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:03:26Bunnie XO?

  Okay.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  But I always knew that we'd find each other when she was 18. And so it happened when she was 17 and a half. And just like I saw what happened way back when, when I was pregnant. So 17 and a half years after that, it happened. And, you know, I was on TV and that's how they found me.

• 1:03:54Bunnie XO?

  So the parents, the parents looked for you or she looked for you?

• 1:03:58Speaker 02

  No, they didn't, they didn't look for me. She, all she knew was that her mother was famous in Hollywood. So she, and Jewish. And so she thought it was Goldie Hawn was her mom, because she looked just like Goldie Hawn. And so who found her was the National Enquirer.

• 1:04:21Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:04:21Speaker 02

  Because my boyfriend, at the time, I found out way later, he went to the Enquirer and told them that I had a baby that I gave up.

• 1:04:30Bunnie XO?

  Was this the father of her or just another boyfriend?

• 1:04:33Speaker 02

  No, Tom Arnold.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  When I was married to him and I mean, he was my boyfriend. Yeah, he's making a living off selling stories about me, which I didn't know at the time.

• 1:04:44Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:04:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, so anyway, they go to Colorado and bribe somebody at the county office there. So they give her the birth certificate. So they called me up. They said, did you have a, did you have a baby? There's an English guy. Roseanne, did you have a baby? And I'm like, where'd you get this information? Well, that doesn't matter, Roseanne. We're going to do a story on this. And we're going to cover the story whether you want us to or not. But we'd like to have your permission to photograph the two of you meeting and do a front page story in the National Enquirer. I go, ah, fuck off.

• 1:05:27Speaker 02

  And so then I went and paid the same person they bribed. So I got the info myself through a lawyer. And I had a mafia guy call her mom. Since we found out where they were and said, hey, the Enquirer is going to be calling you. But we want you to know that we had got the information before, you know, blah, blah, that whole thing. And would you like to meet Roseanne? And so they called her, the Enquirer called her. And she answered the phone, my daughter, Brandy. And they said, would you like to know who your mother is?

• 1:06:11Speaker 02

  And she's all excited thinking it's gonna be Goldie Hawn. And they go, it's Roseanne Barr. And her words, so hilarious. She goes, Christ, I didn't even know she was a Jew. Which is so hilarious. She said, then, and she was mad too, because I was fat and everything. And then she said-

• 1:06:32Bunnie XO?

  Sounds like she has your personality, though.

• 1:06:34Speaker 02

  She looked down, she sat at the coffee table and I was on the cover of the Enquirer. Big picture me. And she said she started staring at it and she goes, oh, my God, I do look just like her. And she took the picture to the mirror and she just kept looking and going, I do, I look exactly like her. And then she flew out the next day, her and her mom, her other, you know, her adoptive mom. And we met and it was wonderful. And then, you know, so we've been- Back together since then and she is now fifty three.

• 1:07:08Bunnie XO?

  Oh my gosh.

• 1:07:10Speaker 02

  She is awesome. She has a son and a lovely husband and she's a wonderful woman.

• 1:07:17Bunnie XO?

  What an amazing story. Like that gave me chills throughout my body because.

• 1:07:21Speaker 02

  And she, as she said, she has the same thing I have uh for like picking up downloads and seeing.

• 1:07:30Bunnie XO?

  No.

• 1:07:30Speaker 02

  We like totally uh so much stuff is alike, like our fingers are exactly alike. And I have a picture of her sitting next to my mom, they're twins and uh she is exactly like her two sisters. So it's like a completion thing, you know?

• 1:07:50Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:50Speaker 02

  So that, that's just fabulous.

• 1:07:53Bunnie XO?

  Your missing puzzle piece.

• 1:07:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, and we're all an interesting family.

• 1:07:59Bunnie XO?

  I think that shows a testament of your heart though, you know, because my mom gave me, my mom left me on a doorstep when I was three months.

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  Are you kidding?

• 1:08:06Bunnie XO?

  Ah bitch. But anyways, we, we circled back around and when I was twenty two, I found her and we reconnected and I actually got to take care of my mom before she died. So it was like a whole full circle thing.

• 1:08:17Speaker 02

  What made her do that?

• 1:08:19Bunnie XO?

  My mom was a young stripper on drugs and just, you know, sex, drugs and rock and roll. She just, I shouldn't have time for a kid, but my dad raised me. So I was raised by my, a single father and then my stepmother whenever she came into the picture. But I think that's a testament of your heart is that you knew that you were gonna go back for your baby. You knew that you couldn't give her the life that she needed then, but you, sure as shit, when that time came back around, you welcomed her with open arms and she's still close to you to this day. And I think that's so beautiful.

• 1:08:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was amazing because we had, we were meeting in this hotel. Uh, we were gonna meet in this hotel in uh, oh, I can't remember the name of that place in LA. Westwood. And I walked in the door and I'd seen her picture and she had seen my picture. And I, I went in to have a cup of coffee before I went up to their hotel room. So I stepped into the coffee shop and I just looked and she was in there and our eyes just locked. And she got up, it was like this, uh, two seconds. She got up from the table and we ran.

• 1:09:31Speaker 02

  We both ran and we just grabbed onto each other and we both started bawling and the, uh, security pushed us into the elevator. But it was like a magnet, you know? And, uh, and her mom came up and we just, it was a miracle. You know, when you get that feeling of miracles?

• 1:09:51Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  I've had that so many times. I can't speak in a part. You go back and take care of the bitch? What?

• 1:10:02Bunnie XO?

  I, uh, you know, I just, I never, um, I never was mad at my mom for doing it. For some reason, I've always been able to understand, you know, like I get it. And I feel like if she had raised me and been in my life, I would have turned out to be way different and possibly worse.

• 1:10:21Speaker 02

  So that's foresight. So that's why you can forgive.

• 1:10:24Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:25Speaker 02

  Cause yeah, it probably would, you probably would have.

• 1:10:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I have an older sister who was, was kind of raised by her and she's, Chrissy and I love you, but she's a fricking lunatic. You know, and I'm just like, I thank God. I'm like, you know what? You had a plan for me and I'm, I'm cool with it. So she passed away in 2022. My dad actually passed away a year ago in two days. Um, and I actually got to take care of both of my parents, even though we had rocky relationships and I did that for me. I didn't do that for them.

• 1:10:53Speaker 02

  That's the thing, right?

• 1:10:55Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's a big one to learn, ain't it?

• 1:10:58Bunnie XO?

  Oh, it's.

• 1:10:59Speaker 02

  When you're abused, because you're abused, you're always looking, I'm gonna get hit and I gotta. For me, it was, I, I gotta tell jokes, cause if dad laughs, he ain't gonna hit us.

• 1:11:09Bunnie XO?

  Oh.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  So that was it, you know? But, uh, you're always looking outside yourself, cause you're, you're, uh, weighing how that fist is gonna come. So I was looking forward, anticipating it, avoiding it, which takes you out of yourself where all the answers are.

• 1:11:25Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:11:26Speaker 02

  With your connection to your source, you know? That's what they take from us.

• 1:11:31Bunnie XO?

  Yep.

• 1:11:32Speaker 02

  But it takes a long time to get it back.

• 1:11:34Bunnie XO?

  But we get it back, baby, and we come back stronger than ever.

• 1:11:36Speaker 02

  How'd you get yours back?

• 1:11:38Bunnie XO?

  Um, you know, I went through a really dark time. So as soon as I hit forty, I'd never had depression in my entire life.

• 1:11:47Speaker 02

  That's when it hits average.

• 1:11:49Bunnie XO?

  Bro, it was so bad. It was like forty and I got put on my ass. I'm talking like I couldn't leave my house.

• 1:11:56Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:11:56Bunnie XO?

  Like it was like, it was to the point where my husband came to me and he was like, Bunny, I love you, but you're reminding me of my mother. And if we don't figure something out, we're gonna have to rethink this relationship because it was so bad. I had the worst anxiety. I'm talking about like I saw spirits, like I would see like dark shadows all the time. Mimi had to go through it with me. It was so bad. Like I could not even leave my house and it just sent me on a spiritual journey where I was just like, I don't want to be afraid anymore. I've been afraid my whole life, you know, like I want to be strong. I want to rise from this. And so I started seeking answers. I did um, therapy with an amazing man named Glenn Cohen. And what he does is he rewires neurotransmitters in your brain.

• 1:12:40Bunnie XO?

  He teaches you um, you know, how to meditate and how to go back and meet your, your, yeah. And to meet your younger self. Oh, it's, do you meditate?

• 1:12:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, I do.

• 1:12:50Bunnie XO?

  Oh, it's amazing. I love it. Like even if I can't go to sleep at night, I'll start doing my breath work and literally fall right to sleep. Like I never thought I would be, because I'm such an anxious person, I never thought I would be able to meditate and I absolutely love it. Like it's, it's so calming and just so, it just reconnects you with, you know, and just gets your energy right. I love it to pieces. What kind of meditation do you do?

• 1:13:14Speaker 02

  Well, when I, I, I have to do everything five times. I'm obsessed. So I only had four kids and I was forty-two and I had to have that fifth kid.

• 1:13:24Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:25Speaker 02

  And so I went to this doctor and he, uh, I was already sterilized.

• 1:13:30Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:13:31Speaker 02

  So I went to this doctor and he took these six eggs and fertilized them.

• 1:13:36Bunnie XO?

  You did IVF?

• 1:13:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:38Bunnie XO?

  I just did IVF.

• 1:13:39Speaker 02

  Oh, are you gonna have a baby?

• 1:13:40Bunnie XO?

  We're having a baby. We're trying to have a baby.

• 1:13:43Speaker 02

  Are you kidding?

• 1:13:44Bunnie XO?

  No, um, I actually just did my first egg retrieval and I wanted to talk to you about the IVF because I was like, she did it. How many rounds of IVF did you have to do to get your?

• 1:13:55Speaker 02

  Just one?

• 1:13:56Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love that.

• 1:13:57Speaker 02

  We did it on Thanksgiving Day too.

• 1:14:00Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:14:01Speaker 02

  But he put six in there, uh, four of them took.

• 1:14:07Speaker 02

  And I was like, oh my God, I'm gonna have quintuplets or whatever they are, quadruplets.

• 1:14:11Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:12Speaker 02

  I go, this is really getting me on the inquirer. And then I guess it was six weeks, then I started to lose them. And I had to go in and get that, you know, ultrasound. And they were going, like I'd go one, uh, once a week and first week, one, I only had three, then two. And then one, and then that one was starting to separate. And, uh,

• 1:14:45Speaker 02

  at that time, a friend had told me, you gotta, you gotta be in, I think the doctor said, you gotta be in bed 12 weeks to keep these.

• 1:14:55Bunnie XO?

  Wow.

• 1:14:55Speaker 02

  And somebody said, uh, you gotta do meditation. And so I started doing it. And then I would go in and get hooked up to that thing. And I did Jewish meditation, which is based on five, for the five books of Moses, you know? And I'd go see on the ultrasound and talk to the, whatever it's called, fetus.

• 1:15:21Bunnie XO?

  The embryo.

• 1:15:22Speaker 02

  The embryo. And say, I really want you to stay. And meditate on communicating with it and meditate to stay calm with all my craziness.

• 1:15:36Speaker 02

  And thank God for the OJ trial because that really kept me calm. That and meditation.

• 1:15:43Speaker 02

  Kept me calm. I was in bed watching OJ and breathing and all. And it worked.

• 1:15:49Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  And I got my youngest son that way, but uh,

• 1:15:52Bunnie XO?

  Oh, that gives me hope.

• 1:15:54Speaker 02

  I never quit meditating because, boy, it calms your crazy down.

• 1:16:00Bunnie XO?

  Definitely calms your crazy down. And it just kind of like, like, we could be at a concert and I could start having panic attacks. And if I do the six and then breathe out six and do that two or three times, it literally resets your entire nervous system.

• 1:16:14Speaker 02

  It definitely does.

• 1:16:15Bunnie XO?

  I used to laugh at people like me.

• 1:16:17Speaker 02

  Well, it controls your heart. That's what breathing does. Because, you know, your heart won't race when you're, when you get panicked, your heart starts racing. That sets everything to go crazy. Your blood pressure, everything. So you're keeping it. Because that's the thing they take away from us when we get abused, that we can't learn to self-control.

• 1:16:38Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:16:39Speaker 02

  Self-contained. You know, go inside to fix us. We want to fix everything else. And that's the, that's the symptom of being abused is that you want to fix everything else. But you, because you don't know how.

• 1:16:56Bunnie XO?

  Fix and control.

• 1:16:57Speaker 02

  Fix and control.

• 1:16:58Bunnie XO?

  Also, I'm such a control freak and I've learned to let go of control these past, you know, five years because I'm 45 now. And that was my biggest issue too, was learning how to just kind of like, give it to God, cast your care.

• 1:17:11Speaker 02

  Give it to God.

• 1:17:12Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  But plus, if you study Torah or, you know, whatever you're into.

• 1:17:16Bunnie XO?

  What is Torah? I've never heard of it.

• 1:17:17Speaker 02

  It's the five books of Moses.

• 1:17:18Bunnie XO?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:17:19Speaker 02

  You know, people say the Bible. That's what it is. But it's real deep. Because it says like, if you're feeling this, that's because this. Like, if you're feeling, like, if you, and Jesus said it too. If you feel the need to uh, Remove the splinter from that guy's eye. That's because you got a big old beam in your own. It's that. Like, when you feel the need to call somebody out, it's because that person's doing something that you do too, but you can't see it in yourself.

• 1:17:52Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:17:52Speaker 02

  So, when you feel the need to call somebody out, that means you gotta go inside and wonder why you're doing that. Everything's about you and how to fix you. To self-transform, that's the hardest thing. Hardly anyone can do it. But if you get in the groove of it, especially if you've been abused, it's just, there's nothing in the world that's so joyful than to fix what's broken in you.

• 1:18:20Bunnie XO?

  Yes, ma'am.

• 1:18:20Speaker 02

  And give, give the glory to God for helping you to do it. Because that connection is just like going and putting the plug in the wall.

• 1:18:28Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:18:28Speaker 02

  Ain't it?

• 1:18:29Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. It's, it's, uh, it's been a journey. It's a beautiful journey. And as I, I try to tell everybody, you know, when you're on your spiritual journey, it's not a beautiful thing. You are going, you have to see the darkness and go through the dark to get to the light.

• 1:18:44Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 1:18:44Bunnie XO?

  You will never be able.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  Right through it.

• 1:18:46Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, you will never be able to reach that light until you deal with the darkness. And when I did, I stopped seeing the shadows. I started like, nothing scares me anymore. I could see, because I've always seen spirits or felt spirits. I can see a spirit sitting in the room with me and it doesn't even scare me anymore. And I'll just know that somebody's there and I'm, you know, they want to talk to me or they want to tell me something. And it doesn't even freak me out anymore. Whereas before, I used to run from it and it would scare me so bad to where I would like, literally have to go to the hospital because I would be having panic attacks that were so bad.

• 1:19:15Speaker 02

  That's all bad programming of, uh, you know, the bad side that wants us to think that we're not connected to God.

• 1:19:22Bunnie XO?

  Right.

• 1:19:22Speaker 02

  They want us to think that we're so captive to evil. But we're not, it's just flipping on the light.

• 1:19:29Bunnie XO?

  No, yep.

• 1:19:30Speaker 02

  And we don't know that when we've been abused.

• 1:19:32Bunnie XO?

  No, you have to find your.

• 1:19:33Speaker 02

  Because that's what they want to sever is our connection to God.

• 1:19:36Bunnie XO?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:19:36Speaker 02

  Inside.

• 1:19:37Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. You want to find, you have to find your own light and turn your own light switch on because nobody's going to do it for you.

• 1:19:42Speaker 02

  Well, okay. So have you had the egg thing done?

• 1:19:46Bunnie XO?

  I did. I did have.

• 1:19:47Speaker 02

  When did you do?

• 1:19:47Bunnie XO?

  Um, so I took all of March off. I did my shots in March and I did my egg retrieval March 20th in between two eclipses. I was like, why am I doing this right now? Um, and you know, I haven't said publicly, you know, everybody knows that I've done it. They just don't know when we're going to have the baby because I want, you know, at least six months to a year with our baby, um, without anybody invading. Um, so we, we have a surrogate because I can't carry.

• 1:20:14Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:20:15Bunnie XO?

  I've had two ectopic pregnancies.

• 1:20:17Speaker 02

  Oh, you can't do that again.

• 1:20:18Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. So I, I just can't risk it. I'm too high risk, but we do have a beautiful surrogate who, um, I absolutely adore and, um, she's ready. And so we're hoping, you know, sometime this year, um, you know, 2026, we might have a little bundle of joy. So.

• 1:20:33Speaker 02

  How lovely.

• 1:20:34Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, we're excited.

• 1:20:35Speaker 02

  You guys deserve that. I'll say, I'm gonna pray.

• 1:20:38Bunnie XO?

  Please do. I would love a Roseanne prayer.

• 1:20:41Speaker 02

  You'll get one.

• 1:20:41Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 1:20:42Speaker 02

  You'll get one for real and I'll send it to you in words too.

• 1:20:45Bunnie XO?

  Thank you. When you were talking about how you were talking to the egg, um, to the embryo, um, I literally, the entire time I was doing the IVF shots, I sat outside with my cow. I wrote a letter to my unborn baby. I meditated. I just, just, you know, just put it all into the universe because I just want it to happen. So.

• 1:21:06Speaker 02

  That's the power of prayer.

• 1:21:08Bunnie XO?

  Literally, yeah. And Jay and I never wanted kids together, but like last year, we were both kind of like, hey, you want to have a kid? And he's like, yeah, I would love to have a kid with you. And I'm just like, all right, let's have a kid.

• 1:21:18Speaker 02

  That's awesome.

• 1:21:19Bunnie XO?

  But I think it's because we all, we both finally feel safe now, you know, and I, I've helped raise his daughter since she was seven years old and she's about to be 17. I can't even believe it. Um, and I think we just realized like, hey, maybe us together won't fuck a kid up too bad.

• 1:21:35Speaker 02

  Uh, yeah. That's why you're ready because you know, you can do it right.

• 1:21:39Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:21:40Speaker 02

  You guys deserve that. That'll be a, that'll be a great experience.

• 1:21:44Bunnie XO?

  Thank you.

• 1:21:45Speaker 02

  You know. A great family. I can feel it.

• 1:21:48Bunnie XO?

  I thank you. I appreciate that.

• 1:21:50Speaker 02

  Cause you just shine. And he shows love all the time.

• 1:21:53Bunnie XO?

  He's the sweetest man ever. I can't wait. You guys, have you guys got to meet yet? Oh, I can't wait for you guys to meet.

• 1:22:00Speaker 02

  He shines, man.

• 1:22:02Bunnie XO?

  Yeah, he's the best human in the world and he's always been like that, even before all of this. Like when him and I first got together, it's just, he's always been just a good human.

• 1:22:12Speaker 02

  Now you're gonna come on my show and let me ask all your love, how y'all got and all your stuff. You're gonna have to spill your guts like I did mine.

• 1:22:22Bunnie XO?

  Absolutely. I'm gonna let, I'm gonna ask you a couple of questions and I'm letting you go.

• 1:22:26Speaker 02

  Cause I need a sig.

• 1:22:28Bunnie XO?

  All right, let's do it. Let's do it. Okay. What do you wish people knew about you that they'll never read in a headline?

• 1:22:35Speaker 02

  That I walk in face. I guess. That I really do. And I always did, but I just had so much doubt.

• 1:22:48Speaker 02

  But now I don't have no doubt. I just have only certainty. That, that feels great.

• 1:22:53Bunnie XO?

  I was gonna say, that's an amazing feeling when you can finally just walk so strongly and just know that you got this, no matter what. If your grandkids Google you one day, what do you hope they find?

• 1:23:08Speaker 02

  My secret sex tape. No, I'm kidding. Let's see, what do I hope they find?

• 1:23:13Bunnie XO?

  I'm watching that if there is one.

• 1:23:16Speaker 02

  I, I hope they find my deeper writing, you know, deeper writings that I've done on this subject, this deep, deep subject of the human spirit. I hope they find those. I hope they still exist by then.

• 1:23:34Bunnie XO?

  They will. They will. You're a frickin' icon. Do you feel like the world ever really gave you a chance to evolve?

• 1:23:42Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, I do. I think maybe in spite of itself. But yeah, oh, hell yeah, I, I.

• 1:23:52Speaker 02

  I was able to meet the greatest people alive and hang out with them and

• 1:24:02Speaker 02

  go to the greatest places in the world. I never would have got that. I was just a waitress.

• 1:24:08Bunnie XO?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:08Speaker 02

  You know, it was fantastic.

• 1:24:10Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. I love that. And last question, what's one truth you've never said out loud until now?

• 1:24:18Speaker 02

  Well, I just said it, but I'll say it again, that everything is about certainty. Every single thing.

• 1:24:25Bunnie XO?

  Yes.

• 1:24:26Speaker 02

  I want to say that to kids.

• 1:24:28Bunnie XO?

  Yeah. Roseanne, thank you so much for coming on my podcast.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  You're a doll.

• 1:24:33Bunnie XO?

  I am freaking honored.

• 1:24:35Speaker 02

  I am honored.

• 1:24:36Bunnie XO?

  No, I'm honored.

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  Honored. And I want to come to your house and hang out with that gorgeous cow.

• 1:24:42Bunnie XO?

  If you.

• 1:24:43Speaker 02

  I love that cow. I want to get one just like it.

• 1:24:45Bunnie XO?

  Crunchy needs a grandma. Will you be his grandma?

• 1:24:47Speaker 02

  I'll be Crunchy's grandma. Hell, yeah.

• 1:24:49Bunnie XO?

  Oh, my gosh. He'll be so excited to hear that. I'm gonna, I'm gonna FaceTime you when I get back with Crunchy so that you can meet him.

• 1:24:54Speaker 02

  He's so cute.

• 1:24:55Bunnie XO?

  He's adorable.

• 1:24:55Speaker 02

  I need one like that.

• 1:24:56Bunnie XO?

  You do got to come visit us in Nashville.

• 1:24:59Speaker 02

  I do. I got so many friends in Nashville. I'll come by.

• 1:25:02Bunnie XO?

  All right, come visit. I'm gonna hold you.

• 1:25:03Speaker 02

  I love you.

• 1:25:04Bunnie XO?

  I love you more. I do. I love you more.

• 1:25:06Speaker 02

  You're a light, man.

• 1:25:07Bunnie XO?

  Oh, I love you so much. Thank you so much. Thank you, guys, for tuning in. Go smoke, baby.

• 1:25:12Speaker 02

  Love y'all.

• 1:25:13Bunnie XO?

  All right, we're out of here. We gotta go. Bye. See you later.

• 1:25:19Bunnie XO?

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