Jocko Evaluates Celebrities Slapping Each Other. Will Smith / Chris Rock. Oscars.

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• 0:00Jocko Willink?

  So Will Smith slapped Chris Rock.

• 0:08Jocko Willink?

  And obviously, a lot of people are talking about it. Um, I guess we're talking about it now too. But here's the thing, my first reaction, honestly, when I saw this happen, I was, uh, you know, thought to myself, hey, these, you know, that's what happens. You talk smack, if you talk smack, occasionally you're gonna get smacked, right? That's what happens. And the reason I feel so, I was, I didn't think much about it. I was like, oh, he's got smacked, I kind of chuckled, whatever. But then everyone started getting like hype about it, right? Okay, so when you're in a SEAL platoon, occasionally someone's gonna get smacked, right? But you're on a construction site, occasionally someone's gonna get smacked.

• 0:51Jocko Willink?

  I guess more back in the day, but still, when you're at your house with your brother, someone's gonna get smacked, right? I mean, it occasionally happens, things escalate. Uh, now, does this mean that I condone violence, right?

• 1:13Jocko Willink?

  A platoon scrap is not violence. You know what I'm saying? Like two high school kids on the same football team that, that get in each other's face and maybe they get, maybe they, maybe there's a takedown happen, maybe there's a couple slaps.

• 1:28Jocko Willink?

  I guess we could include that as violence, but I don't, I guess I condone that kind of violence. Is that bad?

• 1:34Speaker 01

  No, and it's for a specific reason.

• 1:36Jocko Willink?

  Okay.

• 1:37Speaker 01

  Like you're talking about mutual, like, accepted, like, like two people fighting, that's different than like walking up to, you know?

• 1:45Jocko Willink?

  There's a reason though, first of all, a platoon scrap is not actual violence, it's a tension release and it, and it establishes or maintains or keeps maintenance of the pecking order. Now here's the thing, mind you, just like chimpanzees, right? You know how the chimpanzees, the fiscal power, like the biggest, strongest chimpanzee, he won't actually maintain control of the tribe? Because eventually if he's an asshole, the other two or three chimps that are a little bit smaller will gang up on him and put him out of power. It's the same thing in a SEAL platoon. You can't just go around beating everyone up or you're gonna catch a beat down. So there's a- There is times when, oh, there's gonna be a van fight, right?

• 2:27Jocko Willink?

  Or the two platoon guys are gonna go out behind a mill van and throw it down. So that that stuff's gonna happen, or occasionally someone's gonna get slapped up for running their suck. And so it's a thing, things occasionally get physical. And by the way, a slap isn't like a crazy thing, a slap doesn't really damage, right? A slap doesn't really leave damage. It's more humiliating than anything else, right? It's a, it's a humiliating thing, it's a statement, but it's not to knock someone out. If I wanna fight you, I'm not gonna slap you, I'm gonna, I'm gonna punch you in the face, right? A closed fist is totally different. If I close my fist and punch you in the face, I'm trying to hurt you.

• 3:10Jocko Willink?

  Now, listen, don't get me wrong, if someone slaps you, you're kind of authorized to retaliate. You could say it's on, right? But, but tell me I'm wrong here. Whoever slapped you just gave you a warning that you're out of line.

• 3:27Jocko Willink?

  They're giving you an option to assess your behavior and stand down.

• 3:34Jocko Willink?

  I've slapped people before and had them stand down.

• 3:39Jocko Willink?

  So they might be right. Right? When you, if you're getting slapped by someone and you go, oh damn, like I didn't realize Echo was so sensitive about this thing, and I went too far, and I assess and go, eesh, I crossed the line. Now, if you punched me, it's on, right? There's really no choice, right? You're, if you, are you in agreement that there's a difference? Yes, you punch somebody, you have effectively started a fight. It's a fight. If you slap someone, you've really checked them, you need to be ready to fight, because it's totally acceptable that if you get slapped, you can, you're fighting. But there is a difference between closed fist punch and a slap to the face. So.

• 4:25Jocko Willink?

  You might have deserved the slap. Now, did Chris Rock deserve to get slapped?

• 4:33Jocko Willink?

  In my opinion, no. He's a comedian, bro. He's a comedian. He's roasting people. That's what he does for a living, by the way. He's sitting there, he's gonna roast. Anyone in that that comes to that thing is a viable option to get roasted. And has always been like that, by the way. Always been like that. And by the way, Will Smith is a famous and successful actor. It's not like he's picking on, you ever heard that thing about punching up? Yeah. Have you ever heard this? It's okay to punch up, but it's not okay to punch down. So you're not allowed to make fun of, and this is, I'm, I'm, I actually mean this sincerely. You're not allowed, you shouldn't be making fun of someone that is in a less powerful

• 5:13Jocko Willink?

  position than you, right? You shouldn't be making fun of, you know, the, the, if you're, if you're out for dinner and you're a wealthy person and there's a waiter and you start, you know, belittling the waiter,

• 5:29Jocko Willink?

  you might get slapped because you're, you're, you're punching down. But it's generally more okay for someone to take shots at someone that's above them. And you, and why is that? Well, because the person's in a position of power, they can kind of shrug it off. So this room, by the way, is filled with all people that are all rich and all famous, including Will Smith and including his wife. She's an act- actress too. You know, so she's famous.

• 6:00Jocko Willink?

  But Will, Will Smith slapped him upside the head. So why is that? Why did that happen? And I didn't really know, I don't know much about celebrity people, about Hollywood, right? I don't know much about this scene. But when I saw that, I, I saw the replay, right? Because I'm not obviously sitting around watching, watching these Oscars. So I see the replay and I thought immediately, I thought to myself, he, he's got some issues, right? And he had specifically probably has some issues with his wife. I don't know anything about this dude. But I looked and they play, in the replay, you could see he was la- Will Smith was laughing. That's a funny joke. He looked at his wife, she was pissed, then he gets up and, and

• 6:45Jocko Willink?

  smacks, uh, Chris Rock. And

• 6:52Jocko Willink?

  Were you gonna say something?

• 6:53Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 6:53Jocko Willink?

  Okay, you're listening. Okay, so well, if I'm wrong, please tell me if I'm wrong, because I'm just kinda, I don't know everything about this. I don't even know about these people, right?

• 7:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a bunch of different separate elements that make up this whole incident.

• 7:06Jocko Willink?

  Well, here's the thing. After I said to myself, there's something wrong with this dude, there's something wrong with their relationship. It turns out I was a hundred percent right.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:14Jocko Willink?

  I was a hundred percent right. I found out that his wife, that Will Smith's wife, she's, and I don't know the details, but a hundred percent, she's been involved with other dudes, right? Which is, apparently they split up for a while, or they were together, or whatever, but she was out with other dudes, and I read a little section. She got interviewed about it, and said she got, what's that?

• 7:38Speaker 01

  They both did. Okay, they, yeah, they totally went public with that part.

• 7:41Jocko Willink?

  Well, check this out. She said she got, quote, "entangled"

• 7:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:44Jocko Willink?

  with some other dude. And then this other dude writes a rap song about being entangled with her, like, as if what that actually means.

• 7:54Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 7:55Jocko Willink?

  So you got all this stuff eaten at Will Smith. Right? I mean, this is eaten at him. Now, I, I always thought, to me, in my opinion, I didn't know anything about Will Smith. All I know is what I see, you know, on the front lines of media, right? This is the Fresh Prince of Bel-Air, right? He just seemed like a nice squared away guy. That's, that's kinda what I always thought. I didn't know about all this other stuff. I didn't know he had this crazy relationship with his wife. She's out being with other guys and stuff. That's gotta drive him crazy, right? He's frustrated. And then it's like, they got, they got money going to Scientology, start uncovering this kinda stuff. It gets wild real quick. So he's got all kinds of stuff going on. He's got issues. And this is like a road rage incident.

• 8:41Jocko Willink?

  Right? Or a person, or a person that swears at the cashier in the grocery store, right?

• 8:45Speaker 01

  Yeah, kinda.

• 8:46Jocko Willink?

  Or a person that starts a fight in the bar. They're not mad at the cashier. They're not mad at the person that cut them off. They're not mad at the person they're bump into in a bar. They're having a bad day, or they're having a, in Will Smith's case, he's having a couple of bad years, right?

• 9:02Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 9:03Jocko Willink?

  So they're gonna lash out. And it's not good. It, it's weak. It shows insecurity. I mean, you're super insecure if you gotta lash out like this. It reveals a lack of control.

• 9:20Jocko Willink?

  And it's just not strong behavior. Cause the strong person's not gonna get bothered by this kind of thing, right? It's a joke, right? You can't let the, and this goes for her too. Right? Is there anything better to do if I go echo, you know, uh, you wish you had some hair? Is there any better response than for you to say, I wish I did too? Ha, ha, ha, we all laugh, right? Or for you to be like, hey, don't make fun of my hair, bro. Like all day long.

• 9:49Speaker 01

  It's not a laughing matter.

• 9:50Jocko Willink?

  In fact, you gave, you gave one of the best responses I've ever seen on social media. And I'm being totally serious. One of the best responses, somebody on social media, I posted about a podcast and somebody wrote, somebody wrote, somebody wrote, I don't know why the other guy echo in quotes even talks. He's got nothing to offer. He doesn't bring anything to the table and we, I wish he would just be quiet and let Jocko talk. And you responded and you responded and you said, honestly, I think that's a pretty fair assessment. And I was like, dude, Echo just won the internet. That's how you respond when someone's trying to, you know, trying to get in, you know, trying to get their little mark in on you.

• 10:32Jocko Willink?

  So when you go in the other direction and you get super defensive, it's, it's showing that it's bothering you. It's showing you that you are, are insecure about the situation.

• 10:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:48Jocko Willink?

  If you're a strong man, right? You're kind of in an unassailable, unassailable position. You, you, people can say things and it's not gonna really bother you. When you're a weak person or you're, you feel like you're in a weak situation, you feel exposed and you feel like you gotta lash out. But there's nothing, especially when someone just talks to you, nothing's gonna bother, someone that's a strong, powerful human, they don't get bothered when someone chirp, chirps at them, it just rolls off their back, whatever, man. But if you do get bothered, then there's something wrong. There's some kind of insecurity there, which is exactly what I think this revealed. Will, Will Smith is probably insecure about his position that he, he is in with his wife,

• 11:33Jocko Willink?

  which is a bummer, man. Like I said, he seems like a nice guy. Um, and he acted out in a way that.

• 11:42Jocko Willink?

  That that makes him look like that. Look, could you say, look, he dishonored my wife?

• 11:47Speaker 01

  That's what it was essentially all about.

• 11:49Jocko Willink?

  There was, there was, there was, there's the, you could go the path of, look, this guy dishonored my wife. Hey, if someone touches your wife, cool, you're cleared hot, right?

• 12:04Jocko Willink?

  If somebody does something that's like radically offensive to her, like maybe they say something that's just off the top ropes offensive and you feel like you gotta, you feel like you gotta crush somebody? Cool.

• 12:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:19Jocko Willink?

  Go, go.

• 12:23Jocko Willink?

  But if someone makes a joke about her?

• 12:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 12:30Speaker 01

  Bro, it's kinda cut and dry with that part of it.

• 12:33Jocko Willink?

  I didn't know it was cut and dry.

• 12:34Speaker 01

  Yes, because here's, here's.

• 12:36Jocko Willink?

  Like you said, kinda cut and dry, cause it's not.

• 12:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, and nothing's really cut and dry. But yeah, but okay, so you're saying disrespect, yeah, if someone disrespects your wife in front of people, all this stuff, which, which that's kind of the, the two issues, right? That people are either for this whole incident or against the incident, like for Will Smith or, you know, a guy, a, a guy standing up for his wife. You know, beautiful, right? People think, or it's like, yeah, a guy can't take a joke, or a girl can't take a joke, whatever, right? Which, thing is, bro, what is it? He's not standing up for his wife? Brother, that was a joke from a comedian about a feature of, of Jada Pinkett Smith. She has alopecia, which is the same as, it's balding. That's all it is. It's not like cancer, so she had to shave her head or nothing. It's literally only for looks. That's what it is.

• 13:21Speaker 01

  The hair, losing, okay, cool. Not to say it's awesome, I'm not saying that, but he made a joke. He didn't disrespect the wife. Disrespect, you can disrespect someone's wife, to me anyway, this much and catch a beat down in front of everybody.

• 13:33Jocko Willink?

  A very small amount.

• 13:34Speaker 01

  Yes. That wasn't, that was making a joke. That was like a roast. Like, that's, that's part of the game that they're all in.

• 13:39Jocko Willink?

  That's the word.

• 13:39Speaker 01

  Yeah. Like, look, disrespecting is the kind where it's not a joke, where it's like, like, oh, like, I don't know, if he would have said something like, hey, you know, you kind of deserve that, or something, something that's not a joke, something that's disrespectful. Now, now you go into the realm of like, okay, well, Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith, that's who really couldn't take the joke is the girl.

• 13:59Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 14:00Speaker 01

  Will Smith has just suffered the consequences of the situation, poor guy, because of what you said. This is what it seems like, bro, I can't read his mind. I don't know, but this is what it looked like. Where, yeah, he's laughing, then Jada Pinkett Smith, of course, she's not laughing, she's rolling her eyes, and then it kind of cuts, and then all of a sudden, Will Smith's mad and going up on the stage accosting the freaking host of the freaking award show, right? The, and, um, but yeah, it's like a roast. Everyone gets roasted for worse stuff than that, by the way. Not just for balding, like, bro, guys are balding all day, every day.

• 14:30Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 14:31Speaker 01

  And guess what they get teased about? Their bald head. Every single day, all day. And then all of a sudden.

• 14:35Jocko Willink?

  Are you getting sensitive about that?

• 14:38Speaker 01

  All of a sudden, it's this big disrespectful freaking attacking someone's wife, and then this hero standing up for him. No, bro, you guys couldn't take a joke, because you guys are all sensitive and weak. That's what it was in front of everybody.

• 14:50Jocko Willink?

  The opposite.

• 14:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:51Jocko Willink?

  Of, hey, this guy's tough and great because he's standing up for his wife. Actually, this guy's weak because he couldn't take a joke.

• 14:57Speaker 01

  Take a joke. And then he stands up to Chris Rock, by the way, what if, who's another, who's a tough comedian? Dude, what about Joe Rogan?

• 15:04Jocko Willink?

  Let's go, let's just go, Joe Rogan.

• 15:06Speaker 01

  You think Will Smith's gonna stand up to Jordan? No, no, no, he's gonna take the beating from Jada Pinkett Smith. That's what beating he's gonna take.

• 15:11Jocko Willink?

  Dang.

• 15:12Speaker 01

  He stood up to, we, Chris Rock, and what's Chris Rock gonna do? Nothing. Not gonna do nothing.

• 15:17Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  Will Smith knows that kind of stuff.

• 15:19Jocko Willink?

  Well, as far as Chris Rock goes, uh, my thoughts on Chris Rock. First of all, this, this dude got caught completely off guard. Completely and utter, utterly off guard. Don't ever, ever, ever let someone walk at you like that in any situation with your hands down and don't, and, and don't lose control of distance, right? Don't let someone enter your space without getting your hands, your feet and your body into a fighting position. Now, look, this doesn't mean that you square off. This doesn't mean you put your dukes up. Yeah. But you raise your, you know, you've seen this before. Like this is what we teach in jiu jitsu.

• 16:01Jocko Willink?

  Someone, someone starts approaching you, you put your hands up, kinda like the, hey, I don't want, I don't want your problem. But now you're protecting your face and you're ready to do something. You switch your stance from being square, which, you know, your square stance where you're just facing completely forward. You switch, you know, you drop a foot back and you put your hands up. And that's kinda looks like you're backing away, which you are, cause you're creating some distance. So you don't, you don't let anyone ever walk at you without getting yourself in a position where you're ready to fight. Now, listen, the dude had good reason, a good excuse for this, no excuses, but his excuse is, bro, he's at the Oscars. He's talking to a world famous guy that's about to win an Academy Award of, you know, a, a guy that's worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

• 16:46Jocko Willink?

  And this guy's a known, this guy that's saying stuff, Chris Rock is a known actual comedian. And the standard protocol at these things is people get roasted.

• 16:57Jocko Willink?

  So here's the deal, lesson learned for everybody. No matter what the situation, someone starts walking at you, you get your hands up, you get ready to defend yourself. And that's what you do. And by the way, Will Smith actually ends up kinda looking weak too, cause he sucker punched the dude. And he, and Chris Rock barely, I, I actually checked, he takes, after he gets hit, he takes like a half a step back. And it's no factor to him, other than it's, it's humiliating, right? So then, once he got slapped, he made a choice. He actually made a choice and he kinda read it the way that I was talking about earlier.

• 17:39Jocko Willink?

  He wasn't assaulted. Oh, people are like, he got assaulted. He didn't get punched in the face. He didn't get knocked out. He didn't, he got slapped. And he read it as a warning that he had crossed the line. And like I said, the slap didn't even faze him. It was a weak slap. Like he, he, he chuckled immediately. He was laughing. Yeah, it made a joke. He, well, that took him a second, but it barely moved him. He, and then he kinda laughed it off. And you could see Chris Rock was totally like shocked and surprised and he didn't really know what to do. So he lightened the mood. He tried to make a joke. He said, Will Smith, Will Smith just smacked the shit out of me. He's trying to deescalate, right? Trying to deescalate. Good for him, you know?

• 18:19Jocko Willink?

  He's trying to, he's a professional. He's trying to deescalate. And sure, there might be people right now like, you gotta be kidding me. If you get slapped. Well, he's trying to maintain this whole freaking big deal. What's he supposed to do? We're gonna, we're gonna get in a fight right now? We're gonna get a brawl? He decided not to do that. And he decided that, he decided probably almost instantly that this guy's got freaking issues. Like this guy, you know, it's like when you're driving your car and somebody cuts you off and they start going crazy like, you know what? This guy has issues. Uh, this guy's having a worse day than I am. And Chris Rock realized real quick. Hey, Will Smith's having a worse life than me by a long shot. He might be rich, he might be famous, he might be a movie star, he might be getting an Academy Award, but he's has a worse life than me. He's hooked up with a crazy woman, apparently. They're in weird cultish activities with Scientology.

• 19:04Jocko Willink?

  Like this is a nightmare. And so Chris Rock, completely surprised, tries to make out a, and then Will Smith starts yelling, dude. And swearing. And, and Chris Rock's like, it was a joke, dude. That's literally what he says. It was a joke, dude. And, and then he yells again, keep, keep my wife's name out of your fucking, like you can tell now, okay, he's, this guy's not, he's not healthy. Right? This guy's not okay. Um, and then Chris Rock, again, you gotta give him some credit. He totally detached. He didn't lose his temper. Uh, he just act like a, he actually act like a man, right?

• 19:44Jocko Willink?

  Now, look, is there part of me that if he would have like ducked and delivered like a left hook and knocked this dude out? That would have been, that would have been, that would have been kind of epic, right?

• 19:54Speaker 01

  Yes, sir.

• 19:55Jocko Willink?

  But he didn't do that. Because he already failed nine different ways by letting this dude get up and get close to him. So he already screwed up. But I'm talking after it happened, what was his reaction? What was he gonna do? Like run after him and have people hold him back and start that whole thing? No, that he would have really looked stupid. So he was caught off guard by this happening so bad that it took him a couple of seconds to realize. And once he realized the position he was in, this is where, this is where I'll give him credit. Once he realized the situation he was in, he didn't make it worse.

• 20:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:26Jocko Willink?

  He salvaged it to the best of his ability. And by the way, you know? He had to put his ego in check to do that, right? He, he had to put his ego in check to do that, to stand there and be like, hey, everybody, that guy's got issues. And I don't, I'm actually, I'm actually a grown ass man that is secure in myself. And I'm not going to react to this idiot that's losing his mind over his wife that obviously has issues. So he de-escalated. Now, if he wanted to, if he gets fired up now, dude, he could rip this guy apart. I mean verbally, like he could go, he could make a YouTube video that would get a hundred million views of him just bashing this guy, making fun of him. Hey, this guy slapped me, I didn't even feel it.

• 21:11Jocko Willink?

  Oh, hey, way to be, he could just go off, he could pull their whole freaking weird relationship, this open relationship, the fact that this girl's been running around with the guys. The fact that they're in a weird cult, that, you know, like all this crazy, he could just rip them up. He could rip him apart, he could rip her apart. He could do that. He could do that. He could shred him, like in a, in a YouTube video. But I think actually the power move. I think the power move would be to say, hey, listen. Will Smith is clearly not happy. He's clearly having a tough time in his life. I, I never would mean to hurt anybody's feelings if I knew it was going to affect them so deeply.

• 21:53Jocko Willink?

  I, I, I wish him the best. I hope he heals up. I hope he, I hope everything works out.

• 21:59Jocko Willink?

  That would be kind, and Chris Rock doesn't have much, anything to prove, bro. He's a legit guy. He's a self-made guy. His mom was a schoolteacher and his dad was a truck driver. He's one of eight kids from Brooklyn, right? And he's one of the most famous comedians of all time.

• 22:16Jocko Willink?

  And he's one of the most famous comedians of all time.

• 22:20Jocko Willink?

  So he doesn't have anything to prove.

• 22:24Jocko Willink?

  But you know, once he got smacked, um. He already looked kind of dumb letting it happen, getting all nuts afterwards, like I said, would have made him probably look even dumber. He wasn't even hurt, he wasn't even phased. So like I said, he should not let it happen. Don't let people get in your face like that. Don't get emotional, you know, if, and and don't let, don't let people talking smack.

• 22:51Jocko Willink?

  affect you emotionally like that. It's just embarrassing. And imagine if if Will Smith, if he wouldn't have done that and he would have gone up to the microphone late, late, you know, when he got his award. And he would have said something then, something that he could have fought through and said something powerful. You know, if he said, listen, you know, my wife has this disease and it can be really hard, especially in this industry. And, you know, to me, the most, the reason, you know, I love my wife is because of who she, you know, whatever, like he could have, he could have really risen above it and come across like a really uh powerful, good dude. But unfortunately, he lost his temper and and just caused this whole scene. So what can we learn from it?

• 23:37Jocko Willink?

  Keep calm. People are going to talk smack. That's what's going to happen in life. Don't get spun up. If you're getting mad, it's probably because you're insecure or they're striking at some level of truth. So be careful of that. And remember that if you're the one that's talking smack. You don't know what the other person's going through. You don't know what kind of day they've had. And if you run your mouth, you might get smacked. So don't be surprised if you're running your suck if someone gets up and slaps you in the face. So and and that means don't let people get into your personal space without getting into some kind of a defensive posture.

• 24:14Jocko Willink?

  That's what I got. Those are some thoughts. I I'm sure I'm not right. I'm sure I'm not wrong. I'm sure there's some things that I don't know about the situation because I don't know about these freaking weird Hollywood characters. That who despite their fame and their money and their luck and their entourages and their position of elevation in our culture.

• 24:36Jocko Willink?

  They're still just human beings and we human beings are still just animals. So try not to act like one. Stay safe, everyone out there and do me a favor. Be nice to each other.

• 24:50Speaker 01

  But wait, though. So wait, so what's the, so there's no consensus then for you, like, like, was it right? Was it wrong?

• 24:58Jocko Willink?

  There's forty, there's probably a hundred and fourteen critique points where this could have gone in different directions.

• 25:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 25:04Jocko Willink?

  So it's not like right or wrong. There's a bunch of right and right or wrong decisions that are made the whole way.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  Right. You're so right. Cause you started this thing, this thing when you were saying, um, uh, you gotta expect, okay. So, okay, there's two, the two sides, right? Where it's like, okay, you got a comedian making a joke, right? So people, when you make jokes about someone, especially if you make a joke about a girl, like a, like a roast joke to a girl in front of her husband, just think, just think about that regardless of where it was Oscars, no Oscars, whatever. You're, you're making a joke about a girl roasting a girl, a female in front of her husband. If you were to take a multiple joke, true or false, A and B question, do, would you expect to get slapped by the husband? Or would you not expect to get slapped by the husband? Bruh, half of us would say yes.

• 25:52Jocko Willink?

  You should be, more than half.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  Put it, they're both right. You know, like they, to, to, put it this way, eat, any answer is not surprising. Right. If I roast a girl on the street, now, a lot of times I get it where it's like comedians, it's a joke and it's in a setting with a joke or whatever. Probably the rule doesn't change.

• 26:07Jocko Willink?

  But check this out, check this out, bro. You and Sarah Charles go to the comedy club. The comedy club, whatever it's called in La Jolla. And you're sitting three rows back, you're not in the front row. And the dude looks out there, he sees Sarah Charles and she's like, well, you know, she insults her. Or sorry, the, the, he, the comedian insults her.

• 26:29Speaker 01

  Yeah. So if he.

• 26:30Jocko Willink?

  Bruh, you're at a, you're at a literal comedy show.

• 26:33Speaker 01

  Perfect. Yeah. That's actually a good question. So I'm at a, at a comedy show, right? And a comedian makes it depends, it depends on the joke. So, okay. So, and even that, that is a bunch of different parts. So.

• 26:43Jocko Willink?

  What? I mean, dude, there's like the joke, level of joke insult would have to be insane.

• 26:52Speaker 01

  Insane for me.

• 26:53Jocko Willink?

  To get me to stand up and smack a dude.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  Hundred percent.

• 26:56Jocko Willink?

  So by the way, I wouldn't slap him.

• 26:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 26:58Jocko Willink?

  He would have to say something where I'm attacking him to kill him.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  I would say to answer your question, if, put it this way, the worst realistic scenario is like that he'd say something about Sarah that she's insecure about that really hurt her feelings. But that doesn't warrant me going and trying to beat up the comedian.

• 27:18Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 27:18Speaker 01

  It doesn't warrant me that at all.

• 27:19Jocko Willink?

  Yep.

• 27:20Speaker 01

  First off, like, and this is just my side of the thing, not the comedian's side. The comedian's side, you gotta expect that kind of stuff. You start roasting girls and the husband comes and smacks you, bro, you gotta be ready for that.

• 27:30Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, you gotta be ready for that.

• 27:31Speaker 01

  Hundred percent. But I'm not the comedian in this scenario. I'm, I'm the guy. Okay, there's a difference between how you feel and then how you behave. I've said that before. Where, yeah, you're gonna offend me. What's the grown up thing to do? For real. Like, I understand defending your wife and someone's attacking your wife and standing up for your wife. Like, I understand that, but at a comedian show?

• 27:50Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  And a guy makes a joke, even if it's a shitty joke?

• 27:53Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  And it hurts your wife's feelings, bro, that's different.

• 27:56Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  Bro, you don't like the show, we'll just leave.

• 27:57Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 27:58Speaker 01

  I'll be like, hey, you wanna leave? I get it, you know, and you just leave. That's not, you're not, not, you're not failing to defend her honor just because she got offended by the joke.

• 28:07Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 28:07Speaker 01

  Bro, that's a whole different thing.

• 28:08Jocko Willink?

  You know what's interesting about this is, let's say, uh, you know, the, let's say I was the comedian.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:15Jocko Willink?

  Right? And I'm 230 pounds and I'm up there and I start ragging. And there's some guy that's 70 pounds or whatever, 150 pounds, and he's a nerd and he doesn't train. And I start, I start ragging on his wife, right? He knows that he can't fight against me, right? And that's real obvious, right? But here's the thing. Let's say, the roles are reversed. I'm in the crowd, there's a 150 pound nerd comedian up there. I'm there with my wife and he starts talking, he starts insulting my wife. I actually don't have the riffs or the, what's it called? Like, the shtick to talk smack back.

• 29:00Jocko Willink?

  He's a professional shit talker. So if I engage with him, I'm actually gonna lose. He's gonna make me look even stupider.

• 29:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:08Jocko Willink?

  He's gonna go, oh, you can't put a send, is that your best comeback? I mean, he's got all these things ready. So it's an uneven fight. So it's kind of an uneven fight for Chris Rock. They said that he told that joke during rehearsals and no one, everyone was like laughing and thought it was funny.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  They were laughing even during the thing.

• 29:22Jocko Willink?

  Yeah, even laugh. So, so.

• 29:25Jocko Willink?

  You have an unevenness of you've got someone with a microphone and you've got the person in the crowd and you've prepared to insult them and you probably have some comebacks ready. Well, just because that's what you do. So that's why I'm saying even to, you know, if, if, even if you're going to yell something back, you're, you're engaging in combat that you're going to lose. That's my point. If you, if you're like, don't talk about my wife like that, you know, the, what he's going to say to you next is going to destroy you and her, right? It's going to, so what you're best to do is laugh and look, if she's totally insulted, cool, well, we'll walk out and even as you walk out, expect to get stabbed with some shots in the back because that's exactly what he's going to make fun of you.

• 30:10Jocko Willink?

  Oh, she's must be real insecure about that. I can tell why, you know what I mean? Like it's coming, it's going to happen. So it's best to keep control over your emotions. It's best not to give people the satisfaction of, you know, if they can see it on your face. I mean, they're coming in hot. That's one thing you learn in the SEAL teams, right? If you show that you're, if that, that's whatever they're saying to you bothers you, they're, they're coming at it. So don't let that happen, man.

• 30:40Speaker 01

  So there's another theory too about the Will Smith, Chris Rock thing. So this is a thing in 2016, Chris Rock was hosting again and he was talking trash about Jada Pinkett Smith. He, he made a joke about her, roasting her again. She wasn't there. I think that was the time they're boycotting it maybe. I don't know. I forget. So Jada Pinkett Smith, not there, not at the Oscars. So they were like, um, something about, uh, Chris Rock's jokes had something said something like this where he said, oh yeah, Jada Pinkett, uh, was like, yeah, I'm not coming to the Oscars or whatever. I, I declined to come to the Oscars. And then he said, um, Hey, you can't decline to come to Oscars. That's like me declining to go into Rihanna's panties. I was never invited in the first place.

• 31:24Speaker 01

  That was the joke. So there was that went on. So he was roasting her since 2016. So maybe Will Smith, because he said, keep my wife's name out of your mouth. Maybe that had something to do with it. See what I'm saying? Maybe it was boiling, boiling over.

• 31:36Jocko Willink?

  Yep. And again, if you're Will Smith, bro, man, you, you, you got, you gotta let this stuff like run off your back. He's a comedian.

• 31:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 31:46Jocko Willink?

  He's a comedian and it's just gonna be awkward now.

• 31:49Speaker 01

  But you know what it kind of felt like too, when you watch it? Cause like he ran, he went up there, smacked a little guy around and just walked, turned his back to him and walked back all casually and almost kind of proud. You know what it really came off and smelt like? Like, like entitlement? Like I'm Will Smith. I can just roll up and smack guys that's smaller than me, weaker than me, because I get salty about their jokes and just walk back to my seat. It was super entitlement.

• 32:13Jocko Willink?

  So you were a little pissed off about that whole scene, huh?

• 32:15Speaker 01

  It was, it was pretty whack. It was a bad look for sure. Um, and I, I wasn't pissed off, but I was, I was more like, you can see the violations on both sides. Cause comedians will do that too sometimes where they'll just make jokes and they're out there, this little guy, like you know, this guy's not prepared physically for this thing. And I, I learned this when I first moved to here to San Diego, where in Hawaii, if you talk trash to somebody, you just gotta be hundred percent ready.

• 32:40Jocko Willink?

  Ready for cracks.

• 32:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, for cracks. Exactly. For at least this crap. And this is not a like, there's no exception. Like you, you gotta be ready for that kind of stuff. So in San, San Diego, I moved to San Diego and I get it. It's a little bit more of an upscale club where, you know, a little bit more entitled folk might frequent. So man, the way they would talk to me was like, bro, it was baffling. It was confusing to me. But then you can see it in their eyes. They're like, bro, this guy's not ready for any physical confrontation. And that's how some comedians can, can be.

• 33:10Jocko Willink?

  Yeah.

• 33:10Speaker 01

  So I was a little bit salty with that too. I was like, oh, Chris Rock, you know, you, you know, brother man brought it, brought it back down to the streets and bro, you weren't ready for it, bro. Even though he did handle it good. And it wasn't even that hard. Like, well, you know what it did? When he swung, he kinda, almost like he was almost trying to dodge it right at the last minute. So I don't think it connected as hard as it, it could have.

• 33:28Jocko Willink?

  Weak, weak behavior on both, on all sides.

• 33:32Speaker 01

  Right. You gotta be careful with that kind of stuff.

• 33:35Jocko Willink?

  Right on. Anyways, I guess we'll add our freaking stupid opinions to this whole freaking dumbass situation. Don't put these people on a pedestal. They don't deserve it. Stay calm out there. Be nice to each other. That's what I got. We'll catch y'all later.