Democrats Sweep Congress — And Stocks Explode Higher

Ed Elson is joined by Catherine Rampell to break down the key takeaways from the midterm results, whether Trump will change course on tariffs and Iran, and what the results mean for the future of the MAGA movement. Then, Alex Bores returns to discuss how backlash against data centers factored into the election and how markets are responding to the results. Finally, Ed shares his take on the Blunami. Catherine Rampell is an economics editor at The Bulwark, host of the Receipts Podcast, and anchor at MS NOW. Alex Bores is a New York State Assemblymember, author of the RAISE Act, and founder of Who Decides. Subscribe to the Prof G Markets Youtube Channel Follow Prof G Markets here: Instagram: instagram.com/profgmarkets X: x.com/ProfGMarkets TikTok: tiktok.com/@profgmarkets Threads: threads.com/@profgmarkets Follow Ed on Instagram, X and Substack Follow Scott on Instagram Send us your questions or comments by emailing [email protected] Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:45Ed Elson?

  Welcome to Prof G Markets. I'm Ed Elson. It is November 5. Let's check in on yesterday's market vitals. The major indices ripped higher following the election results. The yields on 10-year Treasuries declined. Brent crude dropped 8% to $95 per barrel and Neo cloud stocks tanked while big tech stocks rose in anticipation of new AI policies from the Democrats. More on that later. Okay, what's happening? In a seismic shift for American politics, Democrats have won control of Congress. Democrats flipped the House, where they're on track for more than 250 seats, and the Senate, where they've won at least 54. It

• 2:28Ed Elson?

  was a night of historic upsets in red states. Iowa elected its first Democrat governor since 2006. Kansas sent a Democrat to the Senate for the first time since 1932. And in Texas, James Talarico became the first Democrat to win a Senate race since 1988, on the same night that Gina Inahosa unseated Governor Greg Abbott. The results are widely considered a rebuke of President Trump and his economy. Gas prices are up 40% from a year ago. Inflation is running well past the Fed's target and mortgage rates are back above 7%. Stocks rose after the election. The Dow jumped 3%, its best day since April

• 3:08Ed Elson?

  2025, and the S&P and the Nasdaq each rose nearly 2% as well. So what does a Democratic Congress mean for the economy and for markets over the next two years? Joining us to discuss this, we're speaking with Catherine Rampell, economics editor at The Bulwark and anchor at MS Now. Catherine, thank you for joining us. Just an unbelievable sweep on so many different levels. We could go anywhere with this, so we'll just start with your initial reactions.

• 3:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, it was a generational rout. And I think there was a high expectation for Democrats going into this election, but it just exceeded all expectations. As you point out, Kansas just got its first Democratic Senator since 1932. Heck, there were Democrats who won races where they weren't even running. There was a guy in Iowa who was still on the ballot after having dropped out for, I think it was a state legislature seat, and he won. So the voters were clearly just infuriated by the economy that they're dealing with, with the war. And they decided to deliver a message to Donald Trump. And this is the

• 4:23Speaker 05

  message that they gave. I think the real question is how much this is a Republican loss versus a Democratic victory. Arithmetically, obviously, they're the same thing, but what that means in terms of the mandate for Democrats going forward looks very different, depending on how you interpret it.

• 4:43Ed Elson?

  Trump has been saying that this wasn't about him, essentially. He's saying that, because he wasn't on the ballot, that's why there was such a historic loss. I assume you disagree with that. I mean, all of the polling seem to suggest that this is specifically about Trump, specifically about him. He was on the ballot. I assume that is your view as well.

• 5:05Speaker 05

  You can interpret this as nothing other than a wholehearted repudiation of the Trump agenda. Americans are mad that gas prices are high, that grocery prices are high, that mortgages are expensive. They're mad that Donald Trump promised that he was going to lower prices, which we can get into why that was never going to happen. But of course, instead of even letting prices kind of plateau, instead of just kicking back and enjoying the relatively strong economy that he inherited, Trump decided to basically push all of the buttons that made the economy worse. Generally, I'm of the view that presidents don't have

• 5:45Speaker 05

  a lot of levers to pull to affect the economy. They get too much credit when the economy is good, too much blame when the economy is bad, blah, blah, blah. We have learned in the past year and a half that actually presidents can't do a whole lot to improve the economy, but they can do quite a bit to make it worse. And unlike other kinds of things that presidents might do, where it's hard for voters to connect the dots between like, an infrastructure project that takes 20 years or whatever to really pay off, or some sort of subsidy. In this particular case, it was really easy for voters to look

• 6:26Speaker 05

  around them and say, I'm mad about X, Y, and Z, gas prices, let's say, and connect the dots to a specific thing that Donald Trump did. So yes, I definitely view this as a rebuke of the Trump agenda.

• 6:39Ed Elson?

  Yeah, there was almost no nuance. It seems like every election, there's always a blame game. There's always some confusion as to like, what's actually going on? It feels like this is the only election we ever have where it's like, oh, no, everyone knows exactly what is happening here. Everyone understands what the problem was, which to your earlier point, to me says, this was less of a Democratic victory than a Republican loss. Which I guess the question then becomes, what are the Democrats supposed to do with that? Are they going to recognize that? Depending on if it's true, what do you think?

• 7:12Speaker 05

  To be fair, I do think that Democrats were strategic in running pretty good candidates in a lot of these races. They were obviously helped by the fact that Americans hate the Trump agenda and hate the war and hate the tariffs, et cetera. But they did run good candidates in places like Kansas and in places like Texas. So, you know, they were maybe going to get over the line, no matter what, in some places. But in those states that looked out of reach not that long ago, I do think that it was helpful that they had good candidates. So I don't want to rob them of all their laurels here. When it comes to what that means that they should do, I think that voters are pretty clear that they

• 7:55Speaker 05

  want lawmakers to focus on affordability. Now, there's a bunch that Democrats can do to roll back some of the damaging Trump policies, things like restoring the funding for Medicaid that was cut, SNAP funding as well, or rolling back the tariffs. You know, there are a bunch of things where they can undo Trump policies. When it comes to actually doing new stuff on affordability, that's where it's a lot harder. I think Democrats have been overly simplistic in their messaging about all of this, you know, with some calling for things like a nationwide rent freeze or other kinds of price controls or things like that. Those

• 8:40Speaker 05

  are not going to work. I don't know exactly how much political momentum there is behind those kinds of things. And besides, they certainly have more than their work cut out for them in just reversing some of the Trump policies. But I do think that there's going to be a fight over the next couple of years and heading into the 2028 presidential election about what the actual Affirmative message of the party should look like and what that policy agenda should look like beyond just, you know, scrubbing the evidence of Trump policy off of the government as it stands now.

• 9:14Ed Elson?

  Just on this idea that they could roll back some of his policy decisions, it seems like one of the most interesting moves in the market following this election was what happened to the price of oil. Brent crude fell almost 10%. It seems like the market is basically telling us that we have a pretty good shot of ending the war and getting out of Iran. I mean, do you think, one, is that what it's saying? And, two, do you think that's right? Is that actually a feasible path here that the Democrats could really coerce?

• 9:49Speaker 05

  I think it might come less from the Democrats, actually, than from Republicans themselves. Part of the reason why oil prices fell so much was that J.D. Vance, obviously the Vice President, came out and explicitly blamed the war for this rout that Republicans just experienced, saying that that's why voters were mad, that's why they threw the bums out, et cetera. Don Jr., the Trump's son, also, you know, whatever, retweeted that J.D. Vance post, suggesting that that was the correct interpretation as well. So I do think there is reason to believe that this administration is more inclined, I guess,

• 10:31Speaker 05

  to try to wind down the war. Now, whether that can actually be executed in a way that markets seem to think is going to happen is a totally different question, right? The horse is out of the barn on this. The Iranians know, the Iranian government knows, that it can control the Strait of Hormuz, and so you can't, like, unsee that conclusion if you are the Iranian government or if you are in the oil markets themselves, right? If you, I don't know, if you are commissioning a tanker or whatever, insuring a tanker. So I do think there's a question about the feasibility of delivering that result. But in terms of the willpower or the willingness to deliver it, I think that there is more

• 11:15Speaker 05

  appetite, particularly for Republicans who are eyeing 2028 and who are worried about Donald Trump and his very unpopular war weighing them down, which obviously J.D. Vance is. Now, I also think that Democrats are going to put pressure on the administration to do all of these things. But ultimately, it's probably going to come down to what the White House and what the Pentagon decide to do, even if, you know, Democrats in the House and the Senate can try to withhold funding, for example, from the Pentagon. It's really, those strategic decisions are more likely to be left up to the administration.

• 11:53Ed Elson?

  I mean, it brings up a very fundamental question about Trump and how he's going to respond to what happened on Tuesday, and that is, is he going to reverse his decisions? Is he going to reverse his decisions on Iran? Is he going to reverse his decisions on tariffs? Is he going to reverse his decisions on immigration? I think that one's probably less likely. But, you know, at least on Iran and tariffs, two of the most consequential economic decisions that have defined the experiences of every single American over the past two years that have defined the trajectory of markets over the past two years. And I wonder if this might

• 12:36Ed Elson?

  be the moment that actually he says, okay, my bad, that was a mistake. I mean, do you think that's actually feasible or realistic?

• 12:45Speaker 05

  I don't think he has, he's capable of that level of introspection or strategic thinking.

• 12:52Ed Elson?

  Okay.

• 12:52Speaker 05

  But he may lose interest in a lot of these things. In the same way that if you saw his press briefing today, it was like showing off the ballroom. That was his response to this, again, generational route for his party that he himself caused. He was like, let's go look at this beam over here. And he answered a couple of questions about the election, but then disavowed any sort of responsibility for it and said, oh, it was maybe related to that Iran thing. Now, calling it a thing, a war in which 23 service members that we're aware of have passed away is pretty callous. But it also reveals the fact that

• 13:35Speaker 05

  he's, this is just not top of mind for him. He's never really been that interested in it. He's much more interested in these vanity projects. So will he actually, like, undo the damage? Or will he just get distracted and do something else? I think the latter is more likely. And the war aside, on some of these other kinds of questions like tariffs, Congress does have a lot of power here. If you look at the Constitution, which one should in the current environment or always, the Constitution says that it is Congress that controls power of the purse and that is supposed to control trade among the nations. So Congress

• 14:16Speaker 05

  has really abdicated to responsibility or delegated away some of these authorities over the years, and they can clearly take those back and may have more willingness to take those back. I think actually on the tariffs, what's been interesting is that even in the kind of Rust Belt states, Midwest, places where Democrats used to run on a very protectionist message, they are, they did not this cycle. Even people like Sherrod Brown were criticizing the Trump tariff agenda. So you may well see that on things like that, which, besides raising costs, downstream costs for consumers, have also been really,

• 14:57Speaker 05

  really disruptive to companies and to markets, you may see some greater intervention or, like, reclaiming of those constitutional responsibilities in a way that both hems in Trump, at least I hope, maybe this is wish casting, but I hope this is what happens, that, you know, hems in Trump and also creates a lot less uncertainty and erratic policymaking for markets. So I think that's part of the market reaction here that we're seeing.

• 15:24Ed Elson?

  Yeah, the markets have reacted positively. I guess that is, there's, we're sort of reducing the amount of risk now that we have a little bit of pushback. I mean, just in terms of what the Democrats should do at this point, it seems like one of the questions has been around prosecuting corruption and crime, or alleged crime, apparent crime, by the President, by his associates. What do you think they're going to do? Do you think they're going to go after this stuff? Do you think they are going to prosecute him?

• 16:06Ed Elson?

  Are they going to hand him subpoenas? What is the next step for the Democrats?

• 16:11Speaker 05

  Well, they do have subpoena power, and the places where I think they are more likely to be successful with it are with the people outside of the government, outside of the executive branch, who have been somehow collaborating with the regime, whether reluctantly or gleefully. So you mentioned companies that have been cooperative, shall we say, with him. There are the companies that donated, I'm using scare quotes if you can't see this, donated to the ballroom, in some cases for apparent favor trading. We don't know in some cases, but in some cases, it certainly looks that way. You have lots of other, at

• 16:50Speaker 05

  best unseemly, at worst potentially criminal types of arrangements, no bid contracts, other kinds of contracts, cooperation with the immigration agenda, equity stakes being taken in companies. All of that, I think, is going to be on the table for Congress, a Democratic majority Congress and Senate, to look into. There's lots to dig into. Elon Musk, obviously, a very prime target for them as well. I think the challenge for Democrats as they pursue some of these things is to not look like this is score settling, that this is the

• 17:30Speaker 05

  kind of lawfare that Trump has waged upon his own enemies. This isn't about, like, oh, these guys didn't vote for us, and therefore, we're going to subpoena them up the wazoo and make them spend a lot of money on lawyers and such. They have to make clear that this is about actual lawbreaking, and particularly, if they're smart, lawbreaking that actually hurts the general public. So it's not just that, like, these are companies that, I don't know, that got rich somehow, and that's, that was all that was at stake. And maybe there was insider trading, or I don't know, some things where it's a little bit abstract to figure out who the victims are. But to focus on, like, with Elon Musk, let's say,

• 18:15Speaker 05

  what happened with Starlink? And was, you know, were US interests being compromised? Or Jamie Raskin, who is a congressman from Maryland, Democratic congressman from Maryland, sent a letter recently to the oil companies, saying, basically, don't you dare cooperate with Donald Trump's imperative, whatever, direction to help import oil from Russia, because that's still sanctioned, that would still be against the law, we don't care what the executive orders and the deal with Putin say. So I think that there are particular cases where it'll be more fruitful to look at potential lawbreaking where you can actually

• 18:57Speaker 05

  show that, like, US national security interests or US economic interests, you know, regular people's economic interests, financial concerns, were potentially sacrificed in order for these companies to somehow enrich themselves.

• 19:11Ed Elson?

  It's going to be such a thorny issue, because at the same time, I would hate for them to be overly cautious about prosecuting actual crime out of fear of being seen as pursuing some form of law of lawfare. And I mean, even that is a form of lawfare, not not prosecuting the law for political reasons, essentially because you're scared that you're going to be seen as doing something political. I mean, it's going to be fascinating to watch. And it'll be very interesting to see what they actually pursue.

• 19:44Speaker 05

  I was watching how different networks were covering the results today. And so I was watching Fox News earlier and Trey Gowdy, who, if his name sounds familiar, he was like Representative Trey, middle name Benghazi Gowdy. He was complaining about how he anticipated that Democrats were going to use their gavels and their subpoena power to just like punish, you know, do these, meet out these political punishments to punish anybody who believed in the Trump agenda as opposed to looking at actual lawbreaking or pretend, you know, suspected lawbreaking. And so Republicans are already crafting that narrative around it, even when they themselves,

• 20:26Speaker 05

  you might argue, were, again, looking at Benghazi, for example, and made a dog and pony show out of all of that. But it will be challenging for Democrats to to show that they're like focused on the American people and their voters, the people who put them there, and not just like settling scores.

• 20:45Ed Elson?

  Well, I hope they just provide evidence. And once we see evidence, then we'll know where crimes committed. Just to wrap up, is this the end of MAGA in your view? Is this the end of Trump? Like, this is the most, I think, the most resounding message saying, we've had enough of this. It's been, you know, 10, 11 years of Trump being around and the MAGA movement being alive and well. Do you think this is it?

• 21:16Speaker 05

  I think it depends on how you define MAGA. I think there will be a power struggle in the next couple of years to sort of inherit that America first MAGA movement in a way that is not focused on Trump, right? Because there's not a whole lot that the Republican Party writ large or MAGA stands for at this point beyond Donald Trump. They kind of like lopped off every limb that they could find. They, my colleague Andrew Egger talked about this recently at The Bulwark. But basically, they, you know, they cut off the neocons to begin with, the free trade people, the even the people who cared about like religious moral issues, that they've

• 22:00Speaker 05

  kind of cut out, even the people who cared about low taxes, if you think about tariffs, which are taxes. So they kind of cut out every principle that they stand for beyond Donald Trump. So what does that movement look like without Donald Trump? And I think that there is a lane for the more isolationist, maybe some of the uglier anti-immigrant stuff to persist even without Donald Trump leading it. Like, I could very well see a lane for a Tucker Carlson or someone like that. And maybe he won't call it MAGA, but it will be sort of inheriting maybe some of the uglier parts of the agenda, if not necessarily, I don't know, credit for the war, let's say, or the tariffs.

• 22:45Ed Elson?

  His criticism of Trump at this point does seem strategically quite effective. He's in a, he's in a better position this week probably than he was last week. Catherine Rampell is an economics editor at The Bulwark, anchor at MSNBC Now and host of the Receipts podcast, which just launched. I encourage you to go check it out. Catherine, really appreciate your time.

• 23:07Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 23:08Ed Elson?

  After the break, what the midterm results mean for AI. And for even more markets insights, you can subscribe to my weekly newsletter, simply put, at edward else dot sub stack dot com.

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• 24:59Ed Elson?

  We're back with Prof G Markets. Democrats pulled off a blockbuster sweep Tuesday night, and according to the exit polls, voters were focused on an issue that is somewhat new in America, and that is data centers. Voters approved more than 30 local measures to restrict data centers, while only one measure passed to ease restrictions. 56% of voters called AI and data centers a crucial or major factor in their choice at the polls. As a result, the tech market made some enormous moves. Neo clouds like CoreWeave, Oracle, and Iren all ended the day deep in the red. However, big tech companies like Apple, Alphabet, Amazon, Microsoft, and Meta added

• 25:44Ed Elson?

  nearly a trillion dollars in market value. So what is next for the AI buildout after the Democrats take over? Here to break this down, we're speaking with Alex Bores, New York State Assembly Member, author of the RAISE Act, and founder of Who Decides? Alex, thank you for joining us on Prof G Markets. So this has been, we knew this was going to be an issue going into this election, AI data centers. This has been your issue. You've written legislation on it. This is really what you're known for. I don't think people expected it would be this big of an issue and also so unanimous.

• 26:25Ed Elson?

  Your reactions to to what we saw in these midterms, specifically on the data centers?

• 26:31Speaker 03

  I, myself, am blown away by exactly that, how unanimous it was. I think there were 41 local referenda on data centers, and some of the votes are still being counted. But I think there's only one where the pro-building data center side of that initiative won. I mean, from coast to coast, people were expressing that they want there to be more guardrails, they want there to be more restrictions. And of course, no conversation about the impact on data centers and AI from Tuesday is complete without looking at the Texas governor's race, where a long shot bid by Gina Hinojosa, who ran strongly on rolling back data centers and putting a more term

• 27:15Speaker 03

  on data centers, took out Greg Abbott, who had been the biggest champion of data centers until maybe the last few months of the campaign, where he saw the political wins and turned the other way. And so that, by itself, Texas being one of the biggest markets, biggest opportunities for growth in data centers, that switch could really have national and even international implications.

• 27:36Ed Elson?

  Did that issue define that race? And and did it define other races? I mean, look at Sherrod Brown in Ohio. His, his sort of move was calling Houston, quote, "the face of data centers in Ohio." And it seemed like that became like a big issue. But I mean, that was one of the biggest upsets, is Hinojosa taking governor in Texas. No one thought that was going to happen. Is that a data center story?

• 28:03Speaker 03

  It's a huge part of the story, and it goes beyond just data centers. I think data centers were dominating the conversation three, four months ago. But by election day, in most of these places, it had evolved to be a broader conversation about AI itself, about who gets to set the rules, about whether this is something that democracy still can express, if that's local communities on data centers, or if that's states being allowed to pass their own laws on AI, or whether they'll be banned from doing so as industry has tried to pass federally. So the fact that there were people running who were made clear that they were going to stand up to entrench interest, that they were going to try to empower the American

• 28:44Speaker 03

  people, was a resounding message, and whether that was on data centers or broadly on regulation on AI.

• 28:50Ed Elson?

  What do you think voters are most concerned about when it comes to the data centers? I feel like there's a whole swath of things that people have expressed, but I mean, what what ranks highest, do you think?

• 29:02Speaker 03

  It's tough to separate out the different pieces of it, but there's a debate about whether it is AI itself or just the data center. There's lots of things that are just local concerns with the data center. People express a lot of concern about water usage. In the US, it's pretty highly regulated, and we've seen much better behavior than what we've seen in other countries. But the energy prices that might spike because of it, even when a data center is promising to bring its own energy, if it puts a lot more demand on the components that generate energy, that could raise prices for your local utility that's doing it as well. So whether people will truly get their bills frozen or reduced because of a data center has become a big issue.

• 29:45Speaker 03

  But there was really interesting polling that showed if you asked people if, how they felt about a data center versus how they felt about an AI data center. Data centers by themselves were still underwater, but an AI data center was another 20 points underwater. Just that it was tied to AI made a big difference. And so you saw OpenAI saying that they are going to try to rebrand data centers as AI compute campuses.

• 30:13Speaker 03

  I mean, campus sounds fun, but they're still tying the AI into it in a way that I think won't alleviate the very real concerns and fears that Americans have.

• 30:22Ed Elson?

  You have have proposed more stringent regulation on AI and data centers. You had co-sponsored a bill in New York that that would have paused data centers, data center construction for a year. It ended up happening by by a different measure that that Governor Hochul later implemented. But when I hear that, this idea that like AI data centers are so much worse than data centers, to me, that makes me think that maybe voters are misunderstanding data centers or that that there's there being sort of mischaracterized, caricatured in some way as AI equals bad, so we hate this thing. Am I wrong in thinking that?

• 31:07Ed Elson?

  Is is is there a little bit of, I don't know, sort of an anti-AI cult that is causing people to maybe irrationally dislike these things? Or is it all rational and warranted?

• 31:22Speaker 03

  Well, I think it was Camus who said humans aren't rational, they're rationalizing. So the philosophy of the mind we can and of the voters we can put off there. But there is a, you know, if a data center, I like to point out, there are plenty of data centers that exist in my hometown of New York City. They're just in buildings. They're not these big campuses that that impose on land use in lots of ways. So there are legitimate concerns about land use, about power, about noise in some of these places, and all of that's reasonable to talk about. And then there's the separate fact that data centers are the first time that AI is meeting democracy. And so let's say you're, you know, fine with a data center, but you're really upset about

• 32:04Speaker 03

  the way AI is being forced into schools, as we saw news with Google this week. Or you're worried about the impact of AI on chatbots or even AI automating your job. You haven't gotten a vote on any of those changes. Polling that that Who Decides did, that our organization did, found that over 70% of Americans agreed that AI has been forced into their workplace, their kid's school, or some other part of their daily life without them being consulted. And so they just feel alienated from being able to make any choice with this technology. And if the first choice you get is whether you could build a local data center, well, I understand people then expressing a broader preference through that vote.

• 32:47Ed Elson?

  Yeah, it's a great point. Just looking at the market's reaction. So it seems as though investors basically believe that this blue wave, this blue tsunami essentially means that we're going to have very, very stringent regulation on data centers, or at least data center construction is going to be significantly slowed down. Neo clouds have sold off massively. All of the, all of the names that whose only business is to build data centers, they are, they are plummeting right now. Interestingly, big tech did not. And it seems as though investors believe that maybe they'll have a competitive advantage over the neo clouds now, or maybe just that this means that they'll stop spending crazy amounts of money on these data centers.

• 33:30Ed Elson?

  And maybe that's a good thing because it sort of de-risks their businesses. Unless you disagree with my characterization of what's going on in the markets right now.

• 33:40Speaker 03

  I think your characterization is spot on, and I find it fascinating, right? It expresses a bet that there will be stringent regulation on building new data centers, that that capacity will be curtailed, but that there won't be regulations that impact the profits of the tech companies and the AI companies. That's interesting, right? That is a bet that what voters were expressing and then what the electeds will follow on with is just on data centers. I don't think that matches what I'm hearing from voters. And I also don't think that that matches the, what electeds have been talking about and what their incentives are when they're thinking two years down the road.

• 34:22Speaker 03

  Now, perhaps there's another nuanced level of that, which is much of the regulation that's been proposed around AI that isn't data centers doesn't actually restrict profits all that much, right? What's being proposed has been tremendously light touch, even having third-party auditors, all the companies have said they want to do. So maybe that is priced in. I mean, I remember this when it was fights about the RACE Act in New York, where we had intense lobbying against it, but the trade organization that was fighting back said that it would cost, and right, the group that has every incentive to say this will be a crushing overreach, a crushing burden on business. That trade association said it would cost Meta and Google and OpenAI, these massive

• 35:06Speaker 03

  companies, would cost them one full-time employee to comply with. So maybe this is the market recognizing that even if regulation is coming, it's not really going to threaten profits and there's room for government to take action here.

• 35:19Ed Elson?

  Based on the the investors' reaction here, it seems as though they believe, investors believe, Wall Street believes, that data centers are essentially going to be gutted. I mean, it's a pretty strong reaction that we're seeing. And I imagine they, you mean, you are kind of the face of this movement in a lot of ways, certainly in New York. And I would imagine that that people see you as someone who says data centers should just disappear, they should go away. And I wonder if maybe Wall Street investors are overreacting to the extent to which data centers will be disrupted or the build-out will be disrupted.

• 36:01Ed Elson?

  To me, it seems like actually a lot of these, these newly elected Democrats are pretty reasonable in suggesting maybe we pause this amount of of capacity here until we have a framework in place, which maybe could take like, you know, less than 12 months. Would you agree with that characterization that maybe that they're too concerned that we're going to have this giant crackdown that's going to kill the data center industry?

• 36:29Speaker 03

  I think that's right. Certainly, there's a spectrum and some of the people who were elected yesterday on both sides of the aisle just want there to never be another data center or even to walk back, right? I'm not going to say that those voices don't exist. But yeah, I think most of the people have, who have, even those who have advocated for a pause, it's been just that, a pause. Let's get reasonable regulations in place. Let's pass laws that say how it needs to be treated. Even where we started this conversation with with Governor-elect Inahosa, her two-year moratorium was, and these specific regulations need to be put in place before we renew any new ones. So there will still be room to grow the data centers.

• 37:09Speaker 03

  Now, maybe some of these companies are so highly levered that any threat to them, any delay could have larger business impacts. But this is not the end of building data centers in the US. It's just maybe entering a mode where they're a little more regulated.

• 37:24Ed Elson?

  Alex Bores is a New York State Assembly member and author of the RACE Act. Alex, we appreciate your time.

• 37:30Speaker 03

  Thanks for having me.

• 37:35Ed Elson?

  Well, the blue tsunami has arrived. The Democrats took the House and the Senate in what will go down as one of the most resounding victories in the history of congressional politics. Across the country, districts swung blue. We saw upsets in Texas, in Kansas, in South Carolina, in Maine, potentially in Mississippi as well. These are states that have not elected Democratic senators literally in decades. This was unlike anything we have seen. Now, we will be digesting and analyzing this over the next few days. But to begin, I would like to take a quick victory lap because I predicted a Democratic landslide back in June, when that was not a popular opinion at all.

• 38:20Ed Elson?

  And I doubled down on that prediction last week. And I even said in my newsletter that this would be similar to the 1890 midterm elections and that it would be one of the greatest defeats ever. And that is exactly what happened here. This was a blowout. It was a bloodbath, a slaughter, whatever you want to call it. This was huge. Now, the question is, what's next? Well, there's been some debate as to whether the Democrats should pursue prosecutions and retribution against Trump. Some people think that it's an unnecessary distraction from the real issues. Others think that it is important. I personally am in the others camp. I think that prosecution is not only important, but essential.

• 39:05Ed Elson?

  Why? Well, because it appears that this person actually committed crimes, whether it be bribery or insider trading or abuse of office or securities fraud or covering up a child sex abuse scandal, you name it. And so to not pursue accountability for crimes is to let our politics hijack our justice system. This isn't lawfare. This is simply the law. And if we find that Trump did nothing, then okay. But if he did, then he needs to be punished. And that, to me, is a non-negotiable. And if the Democrats don't pursue that, well, then I think they will be admitting weakness and defeat. At the same time, though, they also have to fix the economic problems.

• 39:50Ed Elson?

  They do have to deal with the affordability crisis. That means immediately repealing the tariffs and immediately getting out of Iran. How do they accomplish that? I don't know, but they should try. It also means addressing the housing issues. We have a very significant supply problem in America. And if the Democrats don't figure out a way to significantly increase permitting and home building across the country, then they will have failed. It also means addressing the inequality problem, which has been widening for years and that is now reaching a breaking point. That might mean tax reform, it might mean equalizing taxes on income and capital gains, it might mean a lot of things. Again, this is up to the Democrats to figure that out and then go out and execute it.

• 40:34Ed Elson?

  The point is, there is still a lot of work to do. And it's not an either or situation, it's a both and situation. They should be dealing with all of this, from rooting out corruption with prosecutions and with laws such as stock trading bans, to targeting the economic problems that put them in office in the first place. Congrats to the Democrats. A lot of really impressive campaigns. Enjoy the champagne, celebrate the victory. But then, in the morning, it's time to get to work because this job is not finished and there is a lot more to do.

• 41:13Ed Elson?

  Okay, that's it for today. This episode was produced by Claire Miller and Alison Weiss and engineered by Benjamin Spencer. Our video editor is Brad Williams. Our research team is Dan Chalon, Kristin O'Donoghue, and Mia Silverio. And our social producer is Jake McPherson. Thank you for listening to Profiteer Markets from Profiteer Media. If you liked what you heard, give us a follow. I'm Ed Elson. Tune in tomorrow for our election breakdown with Anthony Scaramucci. Anthony Scaramucci.

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