5 Habits Constantly Draining Your Energy | Yung Pueblo

My new book Own Or Be Owned is out now! I wrote Own or Be Owned to answer one question: How do you make more money, less miserably? I broke it into the 12 Profit Levers… The 12 levers I've seen determine whether you print cash or hate your life. Check it out: https://contrarianthinking.biz/bigdeal-yung-pueblo You’ve been telling yourself the same story: you need more time to start meditating, the perfect conditions to find peace, or for everything to settle before clarity comes. But the only thing between you and the life you want may be believing you need something you don’t already have. Yung Pueblo is a bestselling author with millions of followers who has spent more than a year of his life in silent meditation retreats and meditates two hours every day. In this episode, you'll learn: Why pain has a magnetic force that can pull you toward evolution or trap you in darkness, and how building awareness through meditation creates the spacious mind you need to choose skillfully The slow down framework: how pausing before you react gives you the space to transmute defensive impulses into productive action, and why your first reaction is never the real you Why Yung Pueblo meditates two hours every day no matter what and how spending more than a year of his life in silent retreats taught him that the breath and the body give you total access to all the wisdom in the universe How to tell the difference between ego and intuition: ego is snappy, loud, and mental, while intuition feels bodily, calm, and like waves repeatedly pointing you toward the same direction The don't grab anything principle: how observing everything that arises without grabbing onto any story or emotion reveals that all pain eventually passes away, and why letting go is healing but never a one-time event Pre-order Yung Pueblo's new book "Journey: The Year That Changes Everything" here: https://yungpueblo.com/journey ___________ (00:00:00) Introduction: The Burnout Trap and the Power of Saying No (00:00:31) The Tattoo Test: What Resonates Most With Millions (00:01:28) The 60-Day Silent Retreat: 14,000 Hours of Meditation (00:02:57) Obsession vs Focus: The Healthier Path to Success (00:07:43) Slow Down: Breaking Bad Patterns Through Awareness (00:09:04) The Hurricane Years: How Meditation Saved His Marriage (00:12:39) The Work That Nobody Wants to Hear: Relationships Require Problem Solving (00:13:37) Your Habits Are the Paint: Designing Life From the Inside Out (00:14:26) Waiting Doesn't Get You Anywhere: The Momentum Principle (00:17:05) The 80 Percent Rule: When Good Enough Is Actually Perfect (00:18:56) Gratitude for the Basics: Good Water and Silly Dads (00:20:22) Purpose Is Where Talent Meets Intuition (00:21:39) The Five-Star Life Trap: Why Easy Is Making Us Miserable (00:22:33) There Is No Making It: The Constant Stream of Ups and Downs (00:23:17) Following Your Intuition: The Courage to Close Chapters (00:24:50) Self-Acceptance vs Self-Improvement: Holding Both Truths (00:25:41) Attachment Creates Stress: The Enemy of Adaptability (00:32:44) Ego Dissolution and the Visceral Fear of Letting Go (00:34:50) Trauma Drives Success: The Scarcity Imprint (00:36:19) Intuition vs Ego: How to Tell the Difference (00:37:29) Don't Grab Anything: The 60-Day Strategy That Changed Everything (00:43:43) The Gossip Rule: Dave Ramsey's No Second Chances Policy (00:45:35) The AI Meat Box: Holding On to Humanity in a Robotic World (00:51:18) Journey: The Year That Changes Everything (00:52:19) The Best Energy: Never Using Your Hurt to Hurt Others ___________ MORE FROM BIGDEAL 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@podcastbigdeal 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/bigdeal.podcast 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@big.deal.pod MORE FROM CODIE SANCHEZ 🎥 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@codiesanchezct 📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/codiesanchez 📽️ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@realcodiesanchez OTHER THINGS WE DO 🌐 Our community: https://contrarianthinking.typeform.com/to/WBztXXID 📰 Free newsletter: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3XWLlZp 📚 Biz buying course: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3NhjGgN 🏠 Resibrands: https://resibrands.com/ 💰 CT Capital: https://contrarianthinking.biz/4eRyGOk 🏦 Main St Hold Co: https://contrarianthinking.biz/3YfGa8u Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:02Speaker 00

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• 0:30Speaker 01

  Staying yes to too many things is the path to burnout. You just keep adding on more and more things, more responsibilities, more objectives. It's easy to get lost.

• 0:37Codie Sanchez?

  It's actually a really good point.

• 0:39Speaker 01

  I don't need to add more things. I don't need to follow every exciting path. You can't have a perfect plan. You can't wait for this ideal moment to execute and try to act on it. For a lot of people, they just wait too long.

• 0:50Codie Sanchez?

  What do you think people should do who are ambitious but want to enjoy their life?

• 0:56Speaker 01

  That's such a good question. So.

• 1:01Codie Sanchez?

  Now you have millions of people that follow you online, that have read your work. What are the most common things people repeat back to you? Like, what are the things that people are getting tattooed on their bodies? Because I know that's happening.

• 1:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14Codie Sanchez?

  What are the things that you're like, oh, wow, whatever came into me, this really resonated?

• 1:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think the most common one that I see is if the pain was deep, you will have to let it go many times. The act of letting go is healing, but it doesn't mean it's a one-time event. You may have to let that same thing go over and over again because the mind, the mind is malleable, but it requires practice. So when you feel that tension coming up, instead of grabbing onto it and, you know, rolling in it, you have to practice letting it go. And then eventually, the mind will learn.

• 1:50Codie Sanchez?

  So for you, let's say somebody is in deep pain. Do you have a practice that you think through to release pain?

• 1:58Speaker 01

  I mean, I've been meditating for a persona really seriously since 2012. And, you know, started off with 10-day practices, 10-day meditation retreats that are totally silent. I've done 20-day-long retreats, 30-day, 45-day. And this year, I did my first 60-day retreat. And that practice, it's sort of like taking yourself to the mental gym. You're building awareness, you're building non-reaction, and you're building compassion for yourself and others. Those are things that are built into the human mind, but they're not necessarily strong. And that's the key way that I take care of myself. That's really where my, you know, when the mind is really heavy and full of pain, you're not going to put out your best output.

• 2:42Speaker 01

  When you decrease that heaviness and the mind becomes lighter, then your creativity really starts flowing. So I think without spending all that time meditating, I would have never been a writer. That's why I always spend time. Like, when I carve out a year, like, I started this year with a 60-day meditation retreat, totally silent in India. And I need that time to just work on myself so that I can come out and give more. But without that, you know, you just keep adding on, adding on more and more things, more responsibilities, more objectives. And it's easy to get lost. So to me, that clarifies what should I actually spend my time on? It helps me do the healing that, you know, of the challenges that I went through when I was younger and just stay focused.

• 3:27Codie Sanchez?

  So you know how these days, they say founders have to be obsessed? You have to be obsessed to win?

• 3:33Speaker 01

  Obsessed is the buzzword these days.

• 3:34Codie Sanchez?

  It is. And so I guess my question is like, is it possible to be healthily obsessed?

• 3:41Speaker 01

  I'd rather be focused and excited about what I'm doing than obsessed. Obsessed is like, when I hear that word, I feel like there's a bit of a cloud over my eyes where part of being a founder is adaptability. You have to be able to adapt. You can have a clear goal, but if you need to shift things to actually like, be able to make a return to your investors, to be able to actually, you know, hire more people or really produce something successful, the plan from day one is not going to be the same plan like three years from then. So I think focus allows that flexibility that obsession doesn't.

• 4:20Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, I think about that a lot. Because I do think we have these stories we tell ourselves, and then they become ingrained in our head. And it's like a neural pathway that gets deeper and deeper and deeper until it's our truth. And so I have a lot of words that I say to myself that sometimes I question, like, do you have to be obsessed to win?

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:39Codie Sanchez?

  I don't really ever question that. I just do it and think that must be true.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  I remember when I first started writing, I knew that I wanted to start with poetry and then also play around with essays. But back in 2016, 2015, when I first started, I would write a piece and I would spend time looking at it and just keep taking out words, keep taking out words. And I'm like, is this enhancing the meaning? Is this enhancing the power of what I'm trying to say? Because especially if you're sharing something online, you have barely half a second with an individual to really give them something of value.

• 5:13Codie Sanchez?

  What is your favorite saying that you've ever written? Do you have something you come back to?

• 5:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's a piece that I wrote that's in, I think, the first book. That's about, it's about love. It's, um, love, it essentially goes along the lines like, love is not about trying to think, you know, what you can do for me. Love is me trying to give you as much as I can so that you can shine. You know, that selfless quality of love, like so many relationships, of our relationships are so transactional. And when you really, you know, you being in a serious marriage, I'm also in a serious marriage, like, you both have to be really good at just giving selflessly, giving selflessly repeatedly, and then trying to design a culture in your relationship that is actually nourishing to the both of you. And that requires a lot of honesty.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  That requires hard conversations. And the only thing you can really expect is imperfection. And you two will figure it out over time. You will have to have things that you apologize about or you said something a little too harshly or whatnot. But you're just not going to be always moving at the same exact pace. So there may be periods where, you know, you're really supporting the relationship and bringing in a lot to the table. But then other times, your partner has to step up because, you know, you're going through a hard moment. Like, you know, a dear family member could have passed away. Like, relationships, even when the two of you love each other so much, are still full of constant problem solving. So that means we have to take turns leading. We have to take turns stepping up.

• 6:48Speaker 01

  And I think that's part of the beauty of holding each other.

• 6:51Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, these days, it does feel like, oh, so there's so much around boundaries. You know, I won't do this for my partner and I won't do that. And, you know, I don't want to be taken advantage of. I see it a lot with women, you know, talking about this. And you have a quote that I love, which is, "Pain has a strong magnetic force. It can pull you towards evolution or it can pull you towards reveling in the darker tendencies of the mind." And so I was wondering, how do you deal with the darker tendencies of the mind? How do you deal with pain? It could be in relationships or in anything in life.

• 7:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, you have to be able to observe yourself clearly with acceptance, without judgment, so that you can see what's actually happening inside of you. Like, where do my behaviors originate from? And having, have a really good sense of, you know, where you can go and letting your actions take you into a brighter direction as opposed to a darker one? Because ultimately, what are we? We are like the accumulation of our actions. And having that strong determination to put your foot down and say, okay, I know that my mind would like to be really upset, would like to scream, would like to fight, would like to, but that's not necessarily productive. Let me double down on being honest with myself.

• 8:07Speaker 01

  Okay, I may feel this tension in this moment. Do I need to play it out? Or can I just voice it calmly?

• 8:13Codie Sanchez?

  So how do you do that calmly part?

• 8:17Codie Sanchez?

  Like, I think in a lot of what we do, you're getting these bad patterns. You fall in them.

• 8:23Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:23Codie Sanchez?

  And you stay there.

• 8:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 8:25Codie Sanchez?

  So like, how do you break bad patterns?

• 8:27Speaker 01

  It's two key words. Slow down, slow down. I think we are so impulsive. It's lightning fast. It's so quick that you think that it's the real you, that the first impulse is the real you, and it's not. The first impulse is your defensive mechanism that you learned probably when you were a child. You know, some people will react with anger, with sadness, whatever it is. But when you build your awareness, you can start seeing the moment that the pattern starts arising. And the awareness literally makes your mind more spacious. So you see the pattern arising. And then that quality of non-reaction that I was talking about earlier, that's you hitting the pause button.

• 9:12Speaker 01

  Okay, I see the pattern coming up, but I'm going to pause it. I'm not going to act on it. I'm not, I'm not going to suppress it. I'm going to let myself feel it. But I'm going to give myself the time that I need to choose skillfully. And that's the key word, skillful. Like, can you take this energy and then transmute it into something that's actually productive?

• 9:32Codie Sanchez?

  Do you and your wife fight?

• 9:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, for sure. We don't agree all the time. Yeah.

• 9:37Codie Sanchez?

  Are you Latino?

• 9:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:38Codie Sanchez?

  Okay, I don't, Latino men, I think, are spicy too. I'm a Latina chick. And I always joke that I'm pretty spicy. But like, were you ever super elevated? Like, are you the type of person that gets mad?

• 9:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, the first part of our relationship, when my wife and I got together, you know, the first six years, it was like living in a hurricane. Like, we were, it was a constant blame game. Like, the mind does not want to accept responsibility. It's always looking for an external reason. Like, where can I point the finger? How can I blame you? Instead of just taking ownership over how I feel. And that was the first six years. And it wasn't until we started meditating where we were individually, separately, building our own self-awareness. And as we were building our self-awareness, we started seeing, okay, this actually isn't always your fault. Actually, this tension that I feel started way before the argument.

• 10:34Speaker 01

  And then my mind was looking for reasons to make this into a big deal. And there's this key moment that happened where my wife and I were both, you know, maybe like three years after we started meditating really seriously, we were in different rooms. We were working for a few hours. I was in the living room. She was in, I think, the bedroom. And she comes into the room that I was in laughing. And I'm like, what's going on? What's up? And she was like, I just spent the last two hours trying to figure out how this tension that I feel is your fault. And what she found her mind doing was going further and further back in time to try to like pick something up, open up an old fight. And she was like, wow, I like caught it in action. And like, she was like, it has nothing to do with it. She's, I just didn't sleep well the night before.

• 11:21Codie Sanchez?

  Really need to try this. So is it?

• 11:25Codie Sanchez?

  How do you enact this sort of calmness in fights in your life? Is it discipline or spirituality or something else?

• 11:33Speaker 01

  I think it's a mixture of both. I mean, you really narrowed it down. I think that the spirituality, I think of it as mental training. And then the discipline to not get lost in the heat of the moment. And when we have arguments, like they totally happen. But now, instead of trying to win, because that was the game before. It was like, how can I win the argument? And let's say you're married to like a lawyer, like they're always going to win. They're going to put together a better argument in their mind really quickly. Instead, what we try to do is we're arguing because I can't see you clearly. There's something that I'm missing. So instead of trying to win, my objective is can I hear your part of your story? Your version of what happened to try to really understand where you're coming from.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  And simultaneously, she's giving that space to me as well, so that we can take turns trying to hear and see, okay, what am I missing?

• 12:26Codie Sanchez?

  Can you progress in your relationship if only one of you is doing work like this?

• 12:32Speaker 01

  I think it's going to be challenging. I think it's what matters more, because it's not like, oh, you and your partner both have to see a therapist or both have to meditate. What matters more is are you both open to growth? Do you have the humility to be able to say, oh, actually, my mistake? I messed up. I need to apologize for that. And I'm also willing to correct my behaviors and try to do better next time. That's the key element is are you open to growth? So you don't both need to like meditate two hours a day or whatnot. You just have to be ready to be real, to be honest and be humble.

• 13:09Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, I've heard a lot of people have that statement, which is, well, I was working on myself, but he wasn't ever doing the work, whatever the work is, or she wasn't doing.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  And I really don't like that term, the work, right? Because that's a very sort of, it comes with obscurity. Like, what does that even mean? And also, is how I define the work actually true? Or is it that just what works for me personally? So you can't universalize that. You can't say like, this is how you do the work, just because it's something helped you in that moment of your life. Everyone's work is going to look differently for them to take steps forward.

• 13:45Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah. And so really, the way to do it is to focus on yourself as opposed to the other person, which none of us want to do. That's really terrible advice.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, how can I change you?

• 13:55Codie Sanchez?

  That's what we all want to do, right? But you have like, you have another quote that I love from your book that says, your habits are the paint you use to create your personal masterpiece. Can you explain what that means?

• 14:07Speaker 01

  A lot of times, we think about our life as something that's driven by the outside in, but it's really the inside out. You have to think of your actions as the key thing that designs your life. There are still going to be external obstacles that may come. And but it's ultimately like, what can you double down on? What can you count on? It's your own actions and your actions are what you use to flow better with the universe. And that's what I meant earlier, where, you know, the universe is something that it's not static, it's dynamic. And to be able to like adapt, bob and weave and really like, you know, handle the ups

• 14:49Speaker 01

  and downs of life, you have to be able to have a mixture of that adaptability and just rely on good actions.

• 14:55Codie Sanchez?

  Wow. You also have a saying that is interesting, that you don't always hear from people who are talking about slowness and thoughtfulness, which is waiting doesn't get you anywhere. You don't need a perfect plan. What you really need is momentum. What do you mean? And how do you know when that's applicable versus slow down?

• 15:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's been really fun. You know, I spend a lot of time meditating, but I also have, I have friends in Silicon Valley, and we started a venture capital company called Wisdom Ventures, and it's been successful. You know, we've, we had a, our first fund was 10 million, our second fund, 77 million. And we've invested in great companies that are really trying to, trying to scale wellness and well being in the world. But what I've learned from that is that you can't have a perfect plan. You can't wait for like this ideal moment to execute and try to act on it. And I found that even in my own personal work as a writer, where I learn more from actually acting on, you know, if a sentence appears in my mind, let me put it down.

• 15:59Speaker 01

  And in the process of putting together an essay, I can actually see where it's going and what actually will communicate most effectively with the reader. For a lot of people, they just, they wait too long, they wait too long. And it's in the process of actually writing or building a company, whatever it is, like that's where all the lessons come from. And then you keep expanding your experience. I think I, if I had waited to, you know, be the perfect poet before I released anything or like be the perfect writer, it would have never worked. I would have never released anything.

• 16:32Codie Sanchez?

  Do you ever look back on the things that you did before and cringe?

• 16:35Speaker 01

  Yeah, totally, totally. Yeah, I think about it and then, you know, if I were to start, have started today, the themes and the things that I would have been working on would be differently. But I also want to honor the fact that, you know, when I go out and do events and I talk to the readers, they all have such different books that they love. And people will tell me, you know, say inward was their favorite or clarinet connection was their favorite or lighter. And that was, that was a phase that I needed to honor. Like, just let it be what it is. You can't go back and change it. But I think there's nothing wrong with like, understanding that life is full of chapters and that includes you as well.

• 17:16Codie Sanchez?

  So what do you say to yourself when you're too scared to put something out? Or maybe when, you know, young, young Pueblo?

• 17:23Speaker 01

  Younger Pueblo, yeah.

• 17:25Codie Sanchez?

  Younger Pueblo. Like, what, what do you say when, when that fear comes of like, is this good enough? Should I put this out? Are there words you repeat to yourself?

• 17:35Speaker 01

  I mean, there's an experience that I go back to. You know, I, I think about my editor, Matthew Benjamin, and he really taught me some critical things about, about writing and the writing process. When I was putting together lighter, my first lun fiction book, he had to tell me the hard truth. He was like, Diego, it's never going to be perfect. We, you know, when there's a, there's a process called, after putting in the manuscript, it's called copy editing. And you, you and a group of people will constantly read the book over and over and over again to get all the mistakes out, to make sure that there's a, a clear grammatical framework, that the way that you use a semi colon in the first chapter is the way you

• 18:19Speaker 01

  use semi colon in the 10th chapter. And he had to tell me, he was like, hey, it's, there are still going to be mistakes after us reading this book dozens of times. And that gave me so much freedom. So now, when I put something out, I know that one piece, one post is not going to make or break anything, anything. It's a, it's a long game of stamina, well, where it will accumulate into something bigger over time. So if one thing fails, doesn't matter at all. And if anything, when I try to, especially if I'm releasing an essay, I try to get it to 80%. If it feels like it's 80% of the way there, it's good enough. And if it's good enough and people really resonate with it, then maybe that can become a chapter in a future book.

• 19:03Codie Sanchez?

  Like that. You've had a lot of incredible things happen in life. I love that you share that online. And I think that gratitude can be really hard, even when you've had a lot of success. And you have another line I love, which is one of the healthiest habits to learn, being grateful for the little things. What do you do to be grateful? Because I know so many really rich people that are unhappy.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. I try to not forget about the basics. Like, one of my favorite, favorite things is good quality water. And my wife and I live in a, you know, in a place where there's, there's only like 2,000 people that live in the town. There's acres between neighbors. We live in the woods and we have a well. And that well that gives water to us is one of the things that I'm most grateful for in life. And it seems, it seems like something so simple, but like going out to like walk in the woods and enjoy the sunlight like hitting your face.

• 20:00Speaker 01

  And just having moments around the table where you can really, like talking to my mom, talking to my dad, having my brother and sister there, like, these are such key people in my life that the simple conversations are so nourishing with them. So there are all these things where like, yeah, you can stay in a million five star hotels, but who's going to bring you the biggest laughter in your life? It's probably your dad saying something really silly. You know, so you gotta, you can't. You have to really ground yourself in the simple things.

• 20:30Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, so you ground yourself in the simple, but then also you have like a big purpose to life. And I think, you know, I try to think similarly, like our goal here can get overwhelming at times. Like, we want to try to make a material stake on the world while also realizing that at some point, like, we'll die and nobody will have cared, really.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 20:48Codie Sanchez?

  So it's like, how can you hold both those things at once?

• 20:52Codie Sanchez?

  But what do you say to people who are like, what is my purpose? You know, I want to do something bigger.

• 20:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:58Codie Sanchez?

  What would you say to that person?

• 20:59Speaker 01

  I think your purpose is really going to be wherever your talent and your intuition intersect. So I think a lot of people, they're really focused on improving whatever it is that they're not good at. And that's really important in your personal development. But then when it comes to like, what am I going to give to the world? How do I make big impact? You're actually going to focus on improving whatever you're already good at. When you can really double down on what you're good at, you're going to be indispensable. And you're going to be able to then scale that and give it to more and more people. And I think that's, that's the key, key sort of recipe to, to success is like, I'm good at this, but like, can I get better at it? So, you know, I get a lot of beautiful messages and I also get a lot of questions.

• 21:44Speaker 01

  But the two most common things that I get are, how do you let go? And also, should I break up with my boyfriend?

• 21:54Speaker 01

  And also, I don't know, I don't know your boyfriend. I have no idea. So like, how can I even opine on that?

• 21:59Codie Sanchez?

  So how do you answer a question of how do you let go?

• 22:01Speaker 01

  How do you let go is a good one. People want a straightforward, like five steps. This is how you let go, make it as easy for me as possible. But that is the sickness of modern day society where if you look at your phone, every single app on your phone is trying to make your life easier. How can I get this food to you faster? How can I give you a ride from, you know, point X to point Z? How can I just make, simplify your life as much as possible? And I think that has insidiously permeated our minds where we want a five star life. We want a five star relationship that has nothing wrong with it. We want situations that are almost identical to a romantic comedy where it's like,

• 22:43Speaker 01

  okay, we have one fight and then we're happily ever after. Life is not like that. It's never going to be like that. Life is going to be a constant stream of ups and downs. And our job is not to run away from that. Our job is to build the inner resilience and the inner clarity so that we can solve those issues when they arise.

• 23:03Codie Sanchez?

  It's a very good point. It is such a tough realization to realize there's no making it. You know, like, oh, you've made it. You're like, I don't know. I don't think that ever happens, actually. It just keeps getting more and more difficult. You've talked a lot about how to change your life and how to get on the right trajectory in your books. And, and I'm curious, if there is no making it in life, but there is like finding your purpose or there is going on the right path, how do you change a life that you really don't like right now? If somebody's listening and they're like stuck in a job they hate with a relationship that's terrible, maybe friends that they don't really feel close to, what do you do to change a life?

• 23:47Speaker 01

  You have to be okay with profoundly listening to your intuition because it's going to be pointing you somewhere. Your intuition is not something that's like, oh, turn right, turn left. It, your intuition appears when it's time to open a new chapter. And you have to have the strength to actually follow through. So your intuition is, it's not going to lead you into danger, but it is going to challenge you. It's going to challenge you to close a chapter, open up a new one, you know, say no to the old job, start making new friends that are more aligned to how you actually want to show up in life or just make different decisions about your relationships. And it's hard work to listen to your intuition.

• 24:29Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, it's funny. I saw this like video that keeps going around on the internet and it's like, um, you know, this year I don't pray for strength, Lord. Like, I pray for happiness, peace, and I've got enough learnings. No more learnings, please. And I get it because the self-growth thing is really hard.

• 24:46Speaker 01

  It's really hard, yeah. And you don't want to like constantly push yourself to more and more growth. Like, there's a, it's a challenge that a lot of people face where they are constantly looking at themselves as a project, like what else can I do to change myself? Usually, some of the biggest medicine you can give yourself is just self-acceptance. Like, I have come through such a long journey to be here right now. Just accept yourself where you are and realize that you've already taken these giant steps to overcome so many difficulties and you should celebrate that.

• 25:20Codie Sanchez?

  How do you balance that with the advice of like getting 1% better every day? Or, you know, becoming a better person or becoming the fully realized version of yourself?

• 25:30Speaker 01

  You need to have a spacious mind. That's, that's a sign of intelligence. It's you being able to like hold these two seemingly opposing things and just realize that like, okay, I am an imperfect person and I'm always going to be imperfect, but that does not stop me from focusing in on two or three habits that I should develop because that would help me and help others.

• 25:52Codie Sanchez?

  Love that statement, a spacious mind.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  A spacious mind is so important. I think we get stuck in black and white thinking and we don't see the gray. We don't see the subtlety. And usually that middle path is where you're going to find your answer.

• 26:05Codie Sanchez?

  What do you think are some of the things that stop us the most from having a spacious mind?

• 26:11Speaker 01

  Attachment, clinging. I think attachment immediately creates stress. Attachment will immediately narrow down your view of possibilities and it's going to make you stiff as a board. And really, what's life going to ask of you? It's going to ask for you to be adaptable, flexible, loose, so that you can flow.

• 26:29Codie Sanchez?

  And are there other things you don't do in life? Like, like, are you on social media all the time? Are you scrolling? Are you watching television shows or really particular about it? Like, are there things that you cut out of your life because you've realized they take up space in this mind that you want to preserve?

• 26:46Speaker 01

  It's more so I add in what's important and I make sure to follow through on it. So I meditate two hours a day, every day. I've been doing that since 2015. Started meditating in 2012, but then 2015 was when I started meditating daily.

• 27:01Codie Sanchez?

  Like, two hours straight?

• 27:03Speaker 01

  Two, one hour in the morning, one hour. So right before we started chatting, I was meditating for an hour. And, and then at some point tonight, on the plane back to mass, I'm going to meditate another hour. But I do that every day, no matter what, no matter what, you know, without fail, wherever I am in the world. And that to me is like, that's the primary way that I take care of myself. I make sure that I'm, you know, essentially cleaning the mind out in the morning, cleaning it out in the evening because that's what you do when you observe the truth that's happening within the framework of the body is that you're tuning yourself up to the truth of the universe, which is the truth of change. And change is the exact opposite of attachment. So I'm literally training my mind to embrace change, to loosen up so that I'm not trapped by the attachment.

• 27:48Speaker 01

  And then eventually, like, if you, if you stay still in a river that's always flowing, you're going to get knocked down. So I'd rather embrace change than, you know, be still. But those two hours a day are fundamental. I make sure to walk, make sure to, you know, strengthen my body. And then there's nothing wrong with watching a little bit of reality TV at night.

• 28:06Codie Sanchez?

  What about, what does that look like? Like, when you go to meditate? You do it anywhere? You listen to something? You're just silent?

• 28:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, at this point, um, it's just like 90% of the time it's totally silent. Sometimes I'll listen to some chantings from my teacher, but it's, um, you know, we, I've meditated probably like 14,000 hours, um, which is a lot of time. Actually, this, this year, when I finished the 60 day retreat, I looked at my, the course, sort of, all the courses that I've sat. And I've realized that I, if I take all the retreats that I've sat, I've spent more than a year of my life in silent retreats. So not all at the same time, but when you put them all together. And that's been my time to like cultivate myself.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  I think that's been key to the success of my marriage, the success of the relationship between me and my parents, to, you know, writing more books, to just showing up in a way that feels good. You know, like putting, putting actions down that I'm not remorseful about. And I can't take that away from myself. When people ask me like, how can you put so much time into meditating? I'm like, it's a better investment than the S and P 500. Like, it's, it's an investment that gives massive returns. So why would I take something away from myself that helps me be the best version of myself?

• 29:28Codie Sanchez?

  So true. So funny, sometimes we have a saying here, which is like, that worked so well, so we stopped doing it, you know?

• 29:37Codie Sanchez?

  I think that's meditation for me. I'm like, when I get into a state where I'm rocking and it's been weeks and I'm meditating continuously, I'm like, this works great, I'll stop.

• 29:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:47Codie Sanchez?

  And so, yeah, that's really interesting.

• 29:50Speaker 01

  But then think about it, it's better to just let the, the benefits of it compound. And I've seen that, you know, going from those first few 10 day meditation retreats that were so difficult, like so challenging to be constantly with your emotions, to watch everything in your mind arise and pass away, to feel all the tough feelings. And then in the 60 day retreat that I sat this year, I saw all the work that I did before and that retreat was so calm. But because it was so calm, it was way deeper than anything else that I've experienced. And I, that would have been impossible without that, without that previous work.

• 30:31Codie Sanchez?

  This is a little crazy, but what about? Like all the people that use like mushrooms or ayahuasca or stuff to do these sort of retreats or states. Are you just, are you just?

• 30:44Speaker 01

  I don't opt into that. I

• 30:47Codie Sanchez?

  Just cold, cold turkey.

• 30:48Speaker 01

  No, no, I mean, if you have the breath and you have the body, you have total access to all the wisdom in the universe. So to me, I'd rather be able to observe reality as it is and accept that reality over and over again. And then through that process, the mind just gets ever more concentrated so that you can really, really deeply immerse yourself in that truth of change. So I don't have a need to like, take something external and put it in my mouth. You know, that's that. And I've tried psychedelics, I've tried a bunch of different things when I was younger. And it's great. I think, you know, for some people, that gives them tons of value. For me, I'd rather observe reality as it is.

• 31:28Codie Sanchez?

  It's a beautiful statement, actually. So do you have like enlightened states when you meditate for that long?

• 31:36Speaker 01

  I have states of clarity, like state, like the word enlightenment is so loaded. You know, it's like, who like, and whenever someone's like, oh, I'm enlightened. Like, I usually look the other way. I think you see a person by their actions and how kind and respectful they are to themselves and others. But yeah, there are definitely moments of clarity where, you know, the retreat, retreats will start with like the objective of, you know, trying to maintain your awareness of your breath for a minute. But then when you go to these longer 60 day retreats, like you could be aware of your breath for like 30 minutes perfectly, an hour perfectly, two, three hours perfectly, where, and you become so immersed in that, that that object, you absorb, you're get absorbed into that object.

• 32:18Speaker 01

  And there is, there are such profound states of clarity and bliss. But then you use all of that, you know, that really strong nurtured mind to then turn it back into the body and let you, you know, you're basically examining like, what is the truth? Like, what is the ultimate truth? And the truth that you're looking at and feeling directly is, everything is impermanent. Everything that arises will ultimately pass away. There is a dissatisfaction to life, especially if you attach yourself to everything. And at the ultimate level, what is Diego? Diego is a set of mental and physical phenomena that are interacting really, really rapidly.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  So whenever I find myself getting stressed or getting too attached or getting, you know, really sort of bogged down by the mundane aspects of life, I have to remind myself like, dude, you're not even real. Chill out. Yeah.

• 33:13Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, that's actually a really good practice. I think there's like some fear in.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, ego dissolution.

• 33:21Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah. Is that what that is? What is that? Like, I get an actual visceral fear.

• 33:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, I feel you. Yeah, it's, um, I mean, the ego, the ego loves dominating the mind. And the ego is something that is worthwhile because it helps you survive. And that's what human life used to be, used to be pure survival. But then now we live in a civilization that asks us to be more compassionate because it's through compassion that we have all these interactions that help build wealth, that help build community, that help build, you know, good relationships. So trying to live from a place of ego is going to keep you defensive over and over again. And living from a place of compassion is going to create harmony in your life. But to get there, you need to just let the ego evaporate and the ego is going to fight you.

• 34:10Codie Sanchez?

  And how does one like evaporate an ego? How do you, how do you even recognize when you're an ego? How do you try to get rid of it? And how do you operate from a better place?

• 34:20Speaker 01

  Even if you don't meditate, you can still do practices that help you dissolve ego. And the ego will like shoot out lightning fast in the moments of impulsiveness. So it goes back to what we were saying before, where the key aspect is slowing down. It's like, okay, I feel the rush of my ego. My ego wants me to respond as soon as possible. It wants me to react in a way where I'm, you know, shutting someone else down or shutting an emotion down or whatever it is. So instead, let me pause, let me re-center myself in compassion. Let me honor the truth. Like, I don't need to suppress anything at all, but let me just,

• 35:02Speaker 01

  can I vocalize what I'm feeling without creating a mess that I need to clean up later?

• 35:10Codie Sanchez?

  That's really interesting. I think, do you find that successful people are more or less aware? Or have more or less ego?

• 35:20Speaker 01

  I think a lot of successful people are driven by their past trauma. And I found that even in myself, like I came, I came from, you know, such a place of scarcity. Like watching my parents like fight and struggle with the rent over and over again for like, you know, more than a decade. Like, that was hard and that created a big imprint in my mind. And something I'm personally working on now is just realizing like, this life is beautiful. Like, I don't need to add more things. I don't need to like, pick up another side quest. I don't need to like, you know, I'm, writing is my primary enjoyment. And it's one of the ways that I get to serve in the world. And if, you know, I meet other people and, and, you know, great opportunities come about,

• 36:02Speaker 01

  I need to make sure that I'm really following through on them because my intuition says, yes, this will actually expand the impact and, you know, hopefully serve more people well. But I don't need to follow every exciting path.

• 36:16Codie Sanchez?

  It is so, it's such a fascinating thing that happens almost the more success you have, the more options you get.

• 36:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 36:22Codie Sanchez?

  And then the more miserable you become because you have too many options.

• 36:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, saying yes to too many things is the path to burnout.

• 36:31Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah. And so you really have to ask yourself a question. I mean, you have a quote I love that says, your intuition, your intuition will be ready to make a big move before your mind is. And so with these ideas of these paths and all these yeses, how do you know whether something is your intuition or your ego that's telling you to do it?

• 36:49Speaker 01

  That's a good one. That's a good one. Your ego is snappy and it's loud and it's more mental. It's like, you know, try, and you can feel that energy of clinging, like it really wants something. Whereas intuition, especially for me, feels much more bodily. It feels like it's coming from here as opposed to up here. And the intuition feels like calm waves that are hitting the shore if you're standing in front of an ocean. And they just calmly repeatedly are pointing you to a particular direction. Whereas the franticness of ego is like, you know, trying to dominate in every moment.

• 37:27Codie Sanchez?

  That's a good point. When you think about where it is in the body, it really helps. Like I, I think my ego and a lot of my attachment comes from, like I can feel it in my chest. It usually makes my, it's like my nervous energy right here. And then when I have something that just feels great, it's in my belly.

• 37:45Speaker 01

  Ah, that's so good.

• 37:46Codie Sanchez?

  You know, that feels nice, but I'm so busy during the fucking day.

• 37:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:50Codie Sanchez?

  That I stop paying attention to it.

• 37:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, no, and it's easily, it's easy to get driven by something that's like just totally, you know, unproductive energy in the body. You know, you said the word grabs. So I got to tell you, when I, when I went into that 60 day retreat, so it was January 1st to March 3rd, my strategy for the retreat was, don't grab anything. Like, don't, like literally whatever story in the mind, whatever emotion that's rising, like observe everything, but don't grab every, anything at all. And it was so helpful to realize, you know, in the act of not grabbing anything, you saw that everything that arises passes away because we get scared by pain. We get scared by heartache and we think it's going to last forever. But really, it's just another thing that's going to change.

• 38:35Codie Sanchez?

  So that's kind of, that's interesting. So that would basically be, be like something, a feeling, a quick decision or something comes to you and our natural interaction as a human is like, okay, I'm going to do something with this. I'm going to react to it. And instead, in your, your practice, you, you know, take a little bit of a breath or you kind of are pondering it, almost just looking at it, deciding, do I want to do anything?

• 38:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly. And that, and these are two ways of living where one is the internal dynamic of how do I keep progressing as an individual? But then sometimes people get it confused. They're like, oh, well, does that mean I can't have goals in life? Does that mean that I can't accomplish big things? No, if you focus on living virtuously and not harming yourself and not harming other people, and you try to do your best to provide service to the world, then there's nothing wrong with having big goals and really realizing that this universe that we live in, like what I would mention earlier, you know, what is this idea of Diego? At the ultimate level, it's nothing. So this universe that we live in, you don't want to hurt yourself. You don't want to hurt other people.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  But then other than that, it's just a canvas. You can paint on it however you want. You can do whatever you want. So if you want to dream big, like dream as big as possible.

• 39:51Codie Sanchez?

  Do you think that people should try to be happy?

• 39:54Speaker 01

  I think that people should try to develop a sense of peace where they have a relationship with their emotions, where they're not grabbing every emotion. They're not trying to like constantly get bogged down by the heaviness that's in the mind. So when you can have that like internal resilience of, okay, I feel heavy in this moment, but I'm not going to let it dominate my actions. I'm not going to let myself speak harshly to other people. And actually, I'm going to focus in this heavy moment, I'm going to focus on being gentle to myself and to others. Then you are able to build this like deep inner peace, deep resilience. And happiness, I think it's possible to be happy, but a lot of people just confuse the word.

• 40:38Speaker 01

  They think about it as a constant high, a constant high of excitement, a constant high of bliss, a constant high of pleasure, but. The beautiful moments in life are usually really simple and small. So I'd rather have a focus on inner peace and a focus on happiness.

• 40:54Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, it does feel like we're all chasing something. And that, you know, often in entrepreneurship, at least, we obsess on not being happy. And like, there's also like, sort of a cult around it.

• 41:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:10Codie Sanchez?

  It's like, no, this is hard.

• 41:12Speaker 01

  How much more hassle.

• 41:13Codie Sanchez?

  It's difficult.

• 41:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:15Codie Sanchez?

  And I even found I have a saying, which is choose your heart. And I have to like, be careful how I have to be careful how often I say it. Because I realize like, oh, am I really focusing on one aspect of life? And only paying attention to the difficulty and liking that.

• 41:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 41:30Codie Sanchez?

  You know? And so I guess my question for you is like, how careful do we have to be with the words we say to ourselves? And are there words you do or do not say to yourself?

• 41:39Speaker 01

  Oh, that's a good one. I really see the way the intentions in the mind support your external actions and support how things land. So I'm actually really cautious with doubt, really cautious with negativity. Like, I don't let it swim in the mind too heavily. Like, if I find the mind starting to like, oh, this isn't good, or this interview isn't going well, or this interview, you know, like, whatever it could be. Before that, I make sure to just like, pause all that negative self-talk. I accept that there might be some nervousness there. But then I start thinking to myself, actually, this is gonna go really well.

• 42:23Speaker 01

  And actually, it has gone well, even though it hasn't happened yet. And having that framework just allows way better flow than, you know, that clunky sort of attachment.

• 42:33Codie Sanchez?

  Sometimes I struggle with, this is maybe little in some ways, but also important. Have you ever been around a bunch of people or a few people and they really like to talk negative all the time?

• 42:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 42:43Codie Sanchez?

  And they want to talk about other people? How do you, how do you engage when you're around people who want to be negative?

• 42:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, it's, it's interesting, because when you stop, when you opt out, right? And you're still part of the conversation, but you're not like doubling down on talking trash about somebody or just being negative. And you say your truth, like, actually, I've never met them. I have no idea what they're actually like. And I hear other people say things about them, but maybe they're, you know, who knows? Like, you can't really trust people's judgment. You take the gas out of the negativity. I think a lot of times when we're interacting, like, we're both coming in with different, you know, fields of emotion. And if I double down on the energy that I'm feeling, instead of just adopting the energy of other people, not only is that gonna preserve my peace, but hopefully I'm welcoming you into my peace as well. Yeah.

• 43:35Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, I think that part's hard, thankfully.

• 43:37Speaker 01

  This is really hard.

• 43:38Codie Sanchez?

  You know, because you also don't want to be a jerk, you know? Sometimes I'll like, I really don't like to talk about people, you know? I just, I don't, it doesn't make me feel good. I don't like the way I feel afterwards.

• 43:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:48Codie Sanchez?

  Um, but people don't usually like that, you know? The response is almost negative.

• 43:53Speaker 01

  Because we want to commiserate. We want like, you know, if I'm feeling angry, or if I dislike someone, I want you to join me in that tension. But why, one, why would I do that to myself? And two, I don't know if that's necessarily true. Like, that's just one person's perspective. And that doesn't, perspective is not equated to truth.

• 44:13Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, it's a good point. My, I have a guy that I've become friends with, Dave Ramsey, you know, who's on the internet. And he has one thing that I really like that he says in his companies, which is, they don't allow gossiping.

• 44:24Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 44:24Codie Sanchez?

  So the first time you get caught gossiping, like, oh, Sharon's doing X and X, they'll just say, hey, we don't do that at this company. We don't gossip.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 44:32Codie Sanchez?

  But if you get caught again, you get fired.

• 44:34Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 44:35Codie Sanchez?

  Like, just carte blanche. And I almost didn't believe him when he said, because I'm like, really? That's incredible, if you could actually do that, you know?

• 44:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:43Codie Sanchez?

  But then I've been to his headquarters and he, like, for instance, they don't have credit cards, zero credit, the entire place, nobody has a credit card in it. They have debit cards only.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:51Codie Sanchez?

  And so he really actually believes the things that he says and then does them, which is rare in humans. Um, but I liked that because I was like, you know, it's so easy to fall. So much of your book is about a beautiful way to say that the actions that you take and the habits that you have lead to the life that you live.

• 45:08Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 45:09Codie Sanchez?

  And that is in your mind.

• 45:09Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 45:10Codie Sanchez?

  And I think a lot of things we don't realize, we're just, we become this amoeba and everybody else's, you know, engagement pattern and whatever, we take on.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:21Codie Sanchez?

  And, and like, your work is really helpful, especially, I like the daily Instagrams, because it's just a reminder of like, let's not do that today.

• 45:28Speaker 01

  Right, right. Having a little moment to like, slow down and reflect, like, whether you agree or disagree with what I'm saying, I don't care about that. But more, what's more important is, is it building self-awareness? Like, am I taking note of like, how my perception is affecting my actions? That's a lot, there's a lot of value in just that tiny moment of slowing down, especially when everything in society is basically trying to force you to act like a machine. But if you act like a machine, you're gonna be very impulsive, you're gonna burn out. And if you want peace, you need to slow down. And also, if you want success, you gotta slow down so you can actually focus your energy.

• 46:05Codie Sanchez?

  It's so true. I didn't bring my phone in here, which is a good practice, but I, I saw this, uh, this saying yesterday. And it was, um, an AI meet box. And, uh, basically, it's like trending on Twitter, have you seen this?

• 46:20Speaker 01

  No.

• 46:21Codie Sanchez?

  And, and basically, the idea is like, when somebody, and I'm sure you felt this, just sends you an AI response? And they're almost like, you become this like, meat transient.

• 46:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:33Codie Sanchez?

  Between one AI to another AI. And all of a sudden, all we're doing is going back and forth between the robots, you know?

• 46:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:41Codie Sanchez?

  And so it's interesting what you say, this holding on to your humanity seems so important, maybe even today more than ever.

• 46:47Speaker 01

  I think one, one like little, you know, theory about the future that I have is that there is so much AI that it's going to change our relationship with social media. I think, like, already, things are so fake. Like, whenever I open X, like, I'm just like, this is, none of it's real.

• 47:06Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 47:07Speaker 01

  And, or whenever I see, you know, like, uh, things on Instagram as well, or TikTok, like, there's so much AI that it is, it makes the interaction of like, actually coming together as a virtual community. It's, there's, you have to like, jump over that to be able to actually interact with real human beings, that it's gonna create a new premium on human connection. So I feel like the companies that support human connection and the actual, like, you know, one of the best ideas that you could have for a business is like, buying a theater. Because that theater is gonna be full. Like, I'm gonna wanna see my favorite singer sing. I'm gonna wanna hear my favorite writer speak to make sure that they're real.

• 47:49Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, it's, it's actually a really good point. And now there, there's some sort of visceral reaction to, that at least I feel, I'm curious if you do. But when I can tell that it is AI, it is like an instant turn off. And it's also this instant like, ah, sad. Like, if you had just not used the robot at all, this would have been better.

• 48:09Speaker 01

  Totally. I think a lot of AI, it's just re-scrambling what's happened in the past. So it's hard to get innovation from that, whereas that's the beauty of the human mind. Like, the human mind is, is this like canvas that's directly connected to the universe. And you can just allow a little bit of, you know, your intuition and your values and the way you see your world to connect with that energy of the universe. And it's like, bam, you come up with new solutions for old problems. And writing is like, just, it's just so critical, because it's one of the ways that you practice clarifying your thoughts. Like, writing is like really clear thinking. So you can't like, take that exercise away from yourself, especially as like a, you know, a creator that a lot of people are depending on.

• 48:53Codie Sanchez?

  I know. Yeah, it's a, it's a new, I saw like, a creator that I think highly of, uh, Hank Green, got a lot of crap on the internet for having some, some AI.

• 49:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:04Codie Sanchez?

  And I thought, he's, you know, I don't feel that that's fair, because I think he does incredible work. Um, but I think it's gonna happen.

• 49:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I also think like, you know, people make mistakes, like, it's, be cool about it. Like, you, you can't expect someone to be imperfect. And we're literally all learning, like, this AI moment is hitting the world so hard. And I'm hoping it rebalances our relationship with social media so that we use it a little bit less.

• 49:28Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah.

• 49:29Speaker 01

  And we interact more in person. Um, but also, like, we're all figuring out, like, how can you actually make this useful for your business?

• 49:36Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, and read more books, like this one, which I jokingly told you I obviously hated, because our entire team has been reading it, marking it up. I know, I told, I told Colton, one of our producers, to just pull some of, of his favorites, and this is what he gave me.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  That's amazing.

• 49:50Codie Sanchez?

  So this is really useful for you?

• 49:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's incredible.

• 49:53Codie Sanchez?

  It's literally your entire book.

• 49:54Speaker 01

  I gotta take a picture of that and just like, put it out there.

• 49:56Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, you actually do. But literally, we went through and like, you know, even like, highlights on the quotes that we love. But I was curious for you, if you had to pick, like, maybe one of your favorite readings from this.

• 50:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:09Codie Sanchez?

  Which one would it be?

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, first off, I want to tell you a little bit about how the book is structured. Like, I, this is a, a year-long journey where you're specifically trying to build self-awareness and inner peace. It's called Journey, The Year That Changes Everything. And, um, to build self-awareness and inner peace, it's not gonna happen overnight, right? You're not gonna Uber your way over there. You're gonna have to take action over action each day. And I wanted to make sure that people could start it any time of the year. So it's not time-based, it's element-based. So it's based on fire, water, air, and earth. And with fire, it's basically actualizing your goals. Um, having the energy to really pursue and like, make something that's a vision in your mind a real reality.

• 50:53Speaker 01

  With water, you're doing your best to nourish yourself. With air, you're having clarity and adaptability. And earth is essentially balance. Um, so I wanted to read something to you that, uh, sort of nows that down. So fire helps you find the courage to break away from old patterns. Air invites you to slow down and see yourself clearly. Earth reminds you to build a strong foundation through steady, intentional actions. And water teaches you how to let go, heal, and move forward with greater peace.

• 51:27Codie Sanchez?

  I love that. And which one, if you had to, now, I love this, because I have read Daily Stoic for years, and I read Chicken Soup for the Soul, you know, back in the day. And I think there's really something special about choosing the words that you start your day with, as opposed to getting in flooded the words that start your day. So if you had to choose, I want you to read yours and then I'll read you one of mine.

• 51:47Speaker 01

  Yeah, so, five things that drain your energy. Saying yes too often, doubting your intuition, not resting enough, exhausting your nervous system.

• 52:01Codie Sanchez?

  Yeah, so that's been all five of those today. So we're doing great. So we didn't read that today, and we should have. I loved this one. This is, uh, air 90. May you believe in yourself enough to know that you are capable of extraordinary things.

• 52:18Codie Sanchez?

  And I think sometimes the, the, the real truths are a little cheesy, but they aren't when they are true.

• 52:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And it's, it's important to like embrace the simplicity of it. It's like, you, you don't need too much to push yourself in the right direction. Like, I think about it as, you know, those astronauts in space that like, they use the tiniest amounts of air to like push themselves and like, you know, course adjust. And I think that's really critical. Um, I want to read this piece, uh, fire five for you. The people with the best energy are the ones who never use the hurt they've gone through as an excuse to hurt others. I think that's key. That's key. Like so much of the hurt that we experience is just replicated from whatever we went through in the past.

• 53:06Speaker 01

  And that's the mark of a good person is like, a lot of people have had really challenging moments in their life. But can they take that, learn from it, let it go so that they can produce harmony in their life instead of chaos?

• 53:20Codie Sanchez?

  It's such a good point. Also, you know how I know my ego's bad right now? My initial reaction is like, I should send that to a few fuckers. But that is something that we're so, that's so my god, I need a meditation retreat. But also, um, I do think it helps, like one, I don't really love being public on the internet all the time. You know, there's like lots of stuff where I'm like, oh, that's interesting. I didn't see myself as a creator or attorney and all of this. But I think it teaches you so many lessons about, I mean, can you imagine how miserable and mean we would be if every time somebody said something mean to you on the internet, you let that go back? Or if you responded?

• 53:57Speaker 01

  No, I'd rather, I'd rather let them exhaust themselves. You know, like there's no, why, why feed into that? And that's one of the things that I've learned from being a creator is that I actually don't know anyone. So I can't make assessments about them, especially quick ones that are based on very little information. So I try to live with a mentality where I'm giving people the benefit of the doubt.

• 54:21Codie Sanchez?

  Well, I love the new book, Journey, The Year That Changes Everything. 365 Daily Reflections to Build Self-Awareness and Peace. Such a beautiful book. Thank you for doing the hard work of making something really simple, which I think is incredibly difficult, actually. And, uh, only giving people what they need and like not a thing more. It's something I aspire to do too. So, um, thank you for being here today and writing it. I know writing books are hard, especially good ones.

• 54:44Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 54:51Speaker 03

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