Diddy Trial BOMBSHELLS, Trump DESTROYS Neocons, Putin BAILS On Peace Talks | PBD Podcast | Ep. 587

Patrick Bet-David, Tom Ellsworth, Vincent Oshana, and Adam Sosnick cover Diddy’s explosive trial and the shocking allegations shaking the entertainment world, California’s emergency insurance rate hikes creating chaos for homeowners, and Vladimir Putin bails on peace talks with Ukraine. ------ 🇺🇸 VT MEMORIAL DAY COLLECTION: https://bit.ly/4jTds5r 🍋 ZEST IT FORWARD: https://bit.ly/4jYg3Lh 📕 PBD'S BOOK "THE ACADEMY": ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/41rtEV4⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/41rtEV4 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON SPOTIFY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g57zR2⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g57zR2 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ITUNES: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g1bXAh 🎙️ FOLLOW THE PODCAST ON ALL PLATFORMS: ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4eXQl6A 📱 CONNECT ON MINNECT: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4ikyEkC 📰 VTNEWS. AI: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3OExClZ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3OExClZ 👔 BET-DAVID CONSULTING: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3ZjWhB7 🎓 VALUETAINMENT UNIVERSITY: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/3BfA5Qw 📺 JOIN THE CHANNEL: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or⁠⁠⁠⁠ https://bit.ly/4g5C6Or 💬 TEXT US: Text “PODCAST” to 310-340-1132 to get the latest updates in real-time! ABOUT US: Patrick Bet-David is the founder and CEO of Valuetainment Media. He is the author of the #1 Wall Street Journal Bestseller “Your Next Five Moves” (Simon & Schuster) and a father of 2 boys and 2 girls. He currently resides in Ft. Lauderdale, Florida.

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• 0:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright?

• 0:54Speaker 04

  My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here.

• 0:59Patrick Bet-David?

  You are a one of one?

• 1:00Speaker 05

  My son's right there.

• 1:01Speaker 04

  I don't think I've ever said this before.

• 1:07Patrick Bet-David?

  What's a great thing about being around Tom is if you're around Tom, your English is gonna get better, whether you like it or not. And your math. I learned a new word today. And your math. Caboose. Caboose. Okay. Your math. Vinny, I wanna come to you first. Yeah. So, when you think about it, what is 12 times 2,000? I can't, I can't, I can't. Tom, please don't ask me another math. Oh no, I won't, but listen, 33% of 7,0248. With pi, add pi and the square root, my brain's going 29%. But what he's doing is he's challenging you to get better in math. I know he is, I love him. Folks, we got a lot of stories.

• 1:33Tom Ellsworth?

  How old will you be one year from now?

• 1:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so, check this out. Diddy. Diddy's got some interesting things going on, but you know, there's a, I don't know, I got a different opinion of what I think's gonna end up happening, but there's a, there's some very weird stories that have come out so far, we're definitely gonna be talking about that. Gavin Newsom, again, California, we may go with the story first, I don't know, we may. But hang tight, California, man, I mean... Earmuffs Californians, you know, we love you. We have a surprise for you here soon. For those, we have a surprise for people from California, New York, Texas, and Florida. It's a big surprise. Some of the other states, you're not going to be happy, but we'll tell you why that is. Stay tuned. But Californians, you know how much we love you. We always want to make sure you're aware.

• 2:18Patrick Bet-David?

  California approves a 17% rate increase for State Farm. They approve a 17% rate increase and that's just one area. Wait till you hear what it looks like.

• 2:31Tom Ellsworth?

  For renters.

• 2:32Patrick Bet-David?

  In a complete different area for renters. Okay? And we'll go there here in a second as well. Lots going on with California. Ben and Jerry's co-founder was not happy. He was dragged out of RFK Jr.'s hearing after wild outburst. He screamed so loud that even RFK jumped. I mean, you have to see the reaction.

• 2:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, wow. It's crazy, yeah.

• 2:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Wait a minute. I don't blame him. I mean, you know, when you suddenly thinking something's going to happen, anybody would react that way. Multiple Democrats and Republicans fall asleep in the middle of the congressional hearing. I mean, some people see that as a problem, but you got to catch up on your nap time. I mean, sometimes, you know, you haven't slept all day.

• 3:07Tom Ellsworth?

  If they're asleep, they can't do harm.

• 3:08Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. Trump inks $142 billion arms deal with Saudi Arabia, part of the $600 billion investment package. Trump slams neocons and interventionists during the Riyadh speech. We'll play that clip. And not only that, it was almost a competition of who was going to do more for the president, Saudi or Qatar. There's a scene where he's sitting there with the leader of Qatar saying, you know, I was just with my other friend from Saudi Arabia. You guys reminded me of each other a lot. Both of you guys are tall, handsome, strong. And it's so interesting. I was communicating with all these world leaders. S and P 500. This news, many of the mainstream media folks are not going to be happy. S and P 500 wipes out 2025 losses as stocks extend rally.

• 3:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Assisted dying bill is moving forward, according to Politico. Very weird. Newsom wants to end healthcare, uh, free healthcare coverage for undocumented adults in California. Let me read that again. End free healthcare for undocumented adults. Stephen A. Smith blasts Jasmine Crockett for opposing Trump on everything, and he blasts Charles Barkley at the same time. So, he's just not happy with some guys right now, but maybe he's, uh, he's up to something. We'll see. Inflation eased more than expected in April, slowing to lowest since 2021. Media execs prediction for CNN as insiders reveal issues at network. Them lawmakers, donors threw

• 4:34Patrick Bet-David?

  a fit after Biden's debate flop. Who the hell is running this country? Jake Tapper's book is on fire right now with, you know, he's making so much money right now talking trash about Biden. It's a great business model right now, but you, you know, I don't know if it would have been a business model he would have followed nine months ago, but he's definitely using it today.

• 4:50Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 4:51Patrick Bet-David?

  He says White House Democrats were lying all along about Biden's health until election ended. Did he not do the debate? Was he not in the debate? Was he not sitting across?

• 5:02Speaker 07

  His, uh, he doesn't have a good relationship with his eyes, because his eyes and his, they don't.

• 5:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Exactly. Yeah. Texas faces major housing market correction. South Florida homes for sale quadruple. We haven't talked about those. We will. Diddy Stroud, we have to talk about. MLB announces stunning decision for Hall of Fame. Sports people, we'll talk about these stories hopefully at the end. Here are 16 baseball figures reinstated from MLB's ineligible list. One of them's gonna piss you off. Michael Jordan wants to join NBC and ESPN's, I already talked about that. Okay. So, we, we got a lot of things to cover. Vinnie, tell us what's going on for Memorial Day with military merch. Folks, pay very, very close attention, especially if you're a veteran. Go ahead.

• 5:40Speaker 07

  Uh, well, as you guys know, in two weeks, uh, Monday is at the 26th is, uh, Memorial Day. And, you know, everybody, it's, and I get it. It's time off, barbecues, you know, we get to hang out, we get to drink. I mean, I'm not drinking, but, you know, it is, that day isn't all about that. It's remembering the brave men and women who fought and fell to, to give us every single freedom, every single right that we have. And at value tainment, we don't take that freedom, uh, lightly. We know it's brought with, uh, Blood and encouraged so we got something on Memorial Day uh we have a Memorial Day collection right here we have the hats Army Navy um what else Air Force every we got it all so if you guys want to go to uh that section and as the video is playing we have

• 6:22Speaker 07

  a uh if you purchase anything in a Memorial Day package you get a sticker pack of every single branch and you got a free American flag keychain if you go to VTMerch.com that's where it's gonna be.

• 6:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Go to VTMerch.com and place your order folks and if it isn't for you if you know somebody that has or served in the military send it to them on top of that Rob did I send you that picture this this puts the biggest smile on my face this is one of the best things about the future looks bright brand is you get to put a smile on somebody else's face here's somebody that bought the lemon campaign that we did zested forward and send it to someone and look what it says yeah I love that smile Mother's Day can feel different when the kids are grown and the nest is empty but your journey as a mom doesn't end it just evolves along with you let's take a moment to celebrate strength wisdom sense of humor and the love of the empty nester moms who continue to nurture support and inspire even at from afar we deserve to be acknowledged and celebrated every day

• 7:19Patrick Bet-David?

  how awesome is that and look at the smile she's got there Rob if you want to go to the next pages she got the box she got the card she got the video she got the hat so if you if you're somebody that's saying I was never in the military but you know make a list of a handful of people make their day send something to them put a smile on their faces sometimes we just need to you know one of the ways to cheer yourself up is make somebody else's day it's always been my way of doing it if I'm in a bad mood I'm like let me find a way to make somebody else's day I feel better about it so go place an order zested forward forward make someone's day uh by visiting VTMerch.com okay first story I want to get into is California California's Obviously placed that I lived in for 24 years.

• 8:04Patrick Bet-David?

  Yesterday Giancarlo asks Tom, so, uh, did you ever live in California? He says, uh, my entire li- life growing up and then you lived there as well.

• 8:10Tom Ellsworth?

  Almost 18 years.

• 8:11Patrick Bet-David?

  18 years. So we love the state. Guy man X me saying, what problem do we have with California? Don't you realize that this is the most incredible climate in the world with incredible? I said, yes, yes, yes. But your policies suck and they're pushing a lot of good people out, especially with this one. Let me read it to you. California approved 17% increase, rate increase for State Farm. Okay. 17% rate increase for State Farm. So this 17% rate increase for homeowners insurance effective June 1st. After the insurer requested a 22% hike. They said 22, California agreed to 17 citing a dire situation post LA fires. Insurance Commissioner Ricardo Lara stated, we are in a statewide insurance crisis affecting

• 8:56Patrick Bet-David?

  millions of Californians, calling it a tough compromise. Consumer watchdogs Carmen Balber criticizes the decision, saying it adds insult to injury for homeowners facing delayed or low ball claims. State Farm financial distress was acknowledged by administrative judge who founded company is experiencing extraordinary financial stress coupled with surplus depletion that threatens ongoing business operations. Lara noted State Farm must justify its financial conditions and detail its recovery plan at a fall hearing. And this is for homeowners insurance for renters. You ready? I'm gonna let Tom give you guys what the renters insurance increased by. Go ahead, Tom.

• 9:33Tom Ellsworth?

  And ready for this? It goes up 15% for renters and condos. However, 38% if it's not a condo. So condos got their own little lane, but they gave State Farm permission to raise it 38%.

• 9:48Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm renting, I'm renting the three bedroom house.

• 9:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, three bedrooms, two bathrooms.

• 9:52Patrick Bet-David?

  My renters insurance, I was paying two grand a year. Now I'm paying 2,800 a year.

• 9:57Tom Ellsworth?

  That is right. You're up to 2,800. So that $800 is like a car payment. That's huge. And what's very interesting to me is I dug into this and the administrative law judge, Carl Frederick Seligman. He said, "Well, this is because of weather events. Another devastating extreme weather event would nearly eliminate State Farm's surplus." Their surplus was 2.24 billion. Now, this is what an insurance surplus is. An insurance surplus is the money they have to set aside because someone's car is going to get stolen, someone's car is going to be in an accident, or you know, you're going to have a fire in your kitchen, no one gets hurt, but you got to rebuild part of your house. That is what insurance is for.

• 10:38Tom Ellsworth?

  And so State Farm, when they sell X number of policies, they have to keep putting money in a savings account to cover all this stuff. They had 2.6 billion in it until Palisades burned down. And all the fires in California, led by the Palisade, there was also other ones that were just horrifying. And now they're down to 620 million. So they put 1.6 billion, whoosh, out into people's hands. Now, those people deserve it because they paid for a policy with State Farm and they suffered a terrible loss. Well, now, the judge says, "Hey, they're down to 620 million, and if there's another weather-related event, boy, that would eliminate their surplus." What's he blaming, Vinnie? He's blaming weather. Yeah. Weather event.

• 11:23Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah. He's not looking at the empty reservoirs, the fire department equipment that wasn't in working order, hydrants that weren't working, and also decisions that they made about not asking PG&E to clear brush and things. No one's looking at that. "Oh, it's just the weather." So it basically is taking the bureaucrats, you know, Richard, Laura, and them, out of it, and not putting it on people that says, "Wait a minute. Okay, so we got this situation, and you're right, with only 620 billion dollars, these people, excuse me, million dollars, these could be, people could be in deep water, State Farm." But no one's looking at what was going on, PBD, before, all the public policies and

• 12:06Tom Ellsworth?

  the mismanagement of things that led it to be such a devastating era. And when all the neglect was there, what happened when the wind and fire came to Palisades? Bah-whoosh. And the fire department was unarmed and didn't do anything about it.

• 12:18Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's a question, though, Tom. All that stuff we're talking about... That's not State Farm's problem, okay? State Farm is there to insure your homeowners. Okay, now here's the problem, you gotta realize with State Farm. With good market share, doing a good job, lot of customers. When you look at State Farm, State Farm, he says, right now, this is part of the story. The administrative judge, independent administrative judge, non-binding order which found State Farm is in serious financial stress and recommended a $400 million cash infusion from its parent company. Their parent company is, I think, State Farm Automobile and Insurance Company, something, something like that. Then you have State Farm. Why do they need $400 million infusion? They're not making money. So guess what? They're saying 21%, they lowered to 17%. California homeowners can't afford that.

• 13:02Patrick Bet-David?

  15% for renters and a condo, 38% for renters in a house, which in California, in many cases, you're renting a house from somebody else, you're paying that 38%, that's an increase on top of what it already is. But guess what the alternative is? Complain about it, State Farm leaves. State Farm leaves, the mortgage doesn't get approved. The mortgage doesn't get approved, the real estate industry goes into shambles. The real estate industry goes into shambles, and the tweet that Vinnie just sent, Rob, if you can pull this one up. This is a tweet that Vinnie just sent from Mario in the fall. This is what it takes to afford to buy a house today in America, check this out.

• 13:34Speaker 07

  How crazy is that, Pat?

• 13:35Patrick Bet-David?

  For a three-bedroom house, this is what you need to make to be able to afford a three-bedroom house in America. Zoom in a little bit, Rob, if you could. If you could zoom in a little bit, look at that, California.

• 13:44Speaker 07

  Jeez.

• 13:44Patrick Bet-David?

  210, there's only one state that's higher than that, and it's Massachusetts, 216. Weird. And New York, did he watch it? New York's 190. You got Washington, 175, Montana, 177, Utah, 169, Idaho, 163. And then you go lower, Jersey's 57, Connecticut's 44, Rhode Island's 41. Texas is half, Texas is half of California. Gosh, why are people driving there? Just by moving from California to Texas, you save 55%, 52%. Alaska's 122, but go to Hawaii? Look at Hawaii, Hawaii's the most. And look where Florida's at, 125. Do you think there's a reason why people from New York are moving to Florida? There's a reason for that. But remember, the fear here lies where?

• 14:28Patrick Bet-David?

  If you don't allow State Farm. To make money in your state, they will say goodbye and your real estate industry. The realtors are sitting there shivering because they saw data that came out last year. The fact that 7% of mortgages and sales weren't closing because the people that were buying the house were not qualified for the homeowner's insurance. And they're like, man, I can't afford to pay this homeowner's insurance. I'm out. Adam, your thoughts on this?

• 14:55Adam Sosnick?

  Well, if you live in California, the number one thing that comes to mind to me is the math ain't mathing. How the hell can you afford?

• 15:02Patrick Bet-David?

  But go.

• 15:03Adam Sosnick?

  I'm sorry. Not it's. I'm not gonna make you do math.

• 15:06Patrick Bet-David?

  I got you.

• 15:07Adam Sosnick?

  How old are you, Vinnie? Plus one.

• 15:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Forty-eight. Keep going. Keep going.

• 15:11Adam Sosnick?

  But just the math ain't mathing. So, you know, we talked about this, uh, I don't know, maybe six months ago about everyone's so focused on the minimum wage. What's the minimum wage? What's the minimum wage? Forget about the minimum wage. What is the living wage? I don't know, Robert, if you can pull that up real quick, but I think the living wage, you know, they're fighting for like 20 bucks an hour in California, whatever they're talking about, but the living wage to be able to live in California, just live, is $28 per hour, which would math it out for me, what? $56,000 a year, the median income. So here, here's what I'm seeing in terms of where people are moving. You know, now there's, there's sort of like a regress of people moving out of Florida because, and even moving out of Texas. Sort of the, um, reversion to the mean.

• 15:56Adam Sosnick?

  But here's the challenge that I think people, companies, states are gonna have. Five years ago, 10 years ago, you know, remote work, work from home, work from anywhere really wasn't a thing, especially before COVID. Now it is. So you don't have to live in the place where you can make the most income. So a lot of people are basically looking at it saying, all right, it costs how much to live in Hawaii, in California, what have you? I could just go move to Tennessee or Texas, but get a job in California, get a job in New York, work remote, do the math. The, the number one thing that I would say to people is this, uh, as much as you can. Keep your flexibility high and your overhead low.

• 16:39Adam Sosnick?

  If you can keep your overhead very low and stay flexible, especially these days, if you're able to work from anywhere, you could survive this massive increase in the cost of living in America today.

• 16:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I mean, this is scary for what's going on with California. I mean, when you're looking at wanting to live there, people have to answer that basic question. Would I rather take that money and paying taxes to California, thinking it's going to get better? Or would I rather move to a Nevada, which is 70K less, that's a 33% savings? Or Arizona, 33% savings, or Texas, 50% savings? And use that additional money to give to my kids for college, for future investment, for future business, for my own retirement? Is your decision you're making today allowing you to take care of the older version of you one day you'll be? You're one day going to be 70 years old. Is a 70-year-old version of you happy with the decisions you're making on the way you're managing your finances? Only you can answer that question. The rest of us can't.

• 17:36Patrick Bet-David?

  That comes to you. Adam, I want to continue to the next story.

• 17:38Adam Sosnick?

  I want to ask you a question.

• 17:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 17:40Adam Sosnick?

  The cost of living as a man.

• 17:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 17:42Adam Sosnick?

  Does it increase or decrease as you get older?

• 17:45Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you think?

• 17:46Adam Sosnick?

  It gets, it gets higher.

• 17:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Not even a question.

• 17:48Adam Sosnick?

  Not even a question. So I see all these people on my neck that ask me questions. Hey, Adam, I'm 28, I'm 32, I haven't started investing yet. Haven't really started saving it. I'm really trying to figure this thing out. And I ask them, do you think that life is going to get cheaper or more expensive? As you hit 35, 40, and they go, that's a good question. Life's only going to get more expensive. So if you don't figure this out now in your twenties and thirties, by the time you're 40 and 50, you're screwed.

• 18:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you bring back that word you used? I don't think you heard anything you said.

• 18:13Adam Sosnick?

  The caboose?

• 18:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Caboose. The caboose word like went over here because like, all right, let's continue.

• 18:18Adam Sosnick?

  Because if there's anything that's relevant to the cost of living, it's that caboose.

• 18:21Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm going to go to another story here for you, to forgive the caboose situation, but let's go to the next story. The next story we have is, is a Diddy's trial. I mean, this Diddy situation is getting nastier and nastier and nastier. Rob, before I read this, is there anything you have? Obviously, the only thing we can see is paintings and drawings and all this other stuff.

• 18:43Speaker 07

  That artist should never, ever hold a paintbrush or a drawing pencil. That artist, in this case, is horrible. And we'll go, but go ahead.

• 18:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, let me just, let me just, so Cassie Ventura testified Shawn Diddy Combs controlled freak-off sessions, directing her to have sex with multiple male escorts, stating sometimes Shawn and the escort would have intercourse with me. It was just like a lot happening at once, and specifying that escorts would ejaculate usually when it was okay for them. Per Shawn, often, this is a New York Post story, folks, so earmuffs. Often on, if you got kids, just don't, I'm gonna read this next part, I should have given you a warning. But if you got kids, pause the video and then continue. Often on her body, after which, are we really reading this? Urinating on her, saying sometimes Shawn, he himself or the escort would urinate on me, including an overwhelming incident where she choked because too much urine was in her mouth. What?

• 19:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Yep. Ventura detailed the degrading nature of these drug-fueled freak-offs, noticing, noting she was high on ecstasy and MDMA, feeling sick almost every time, yet Combs would push her to continue, saying, continue on with the intercourse, even if it felt like vomiting or if I was vomiting. She described the session where a blow-up pool filled with baby oil applied every five minutes to keep participants glistening, and revealed Combs once left the freak-off to comfort rival Suge Knight. What?

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• 21:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, no, to confront Shug Knight, not comfort. Oh, to confront. Confront Shug Knight. Hey, Shug, let me get real comfortable with you, baby. Please don't do anything stupid. Okay, Rob, what do you have to show us before we get into thoughts? Because I got a bunch of stuff here as well myself.

• 21:19Speaker 10

  So I have TMZ reciting or reading some of the testimony from Cassie, if you'd like to play that. Or I have Fox News giving a summary of the first two days of the trial.

• 21:29Patrick Bet-David?

  TMZ first, then let's go to Fox. All right, go for it. Is he just gonna read it?

• 21:34Tom Ellsworth?

  Did you want Sean to urinate on you? Cassie, I didn't want anyone to urinate on me. Prosecutor, how often did it happen? Answer, often enough.

• 21:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so there we go. Now, here's Fox. Go ahead, Rob.

• 21:51Speaker 11

  What jurors heard today were tales of appalling physical abuse by Sean Combs as prosecutors portrayed him as a monster who controlled people and plied them with drugs, threats, money, brandishing guns during these on camera sexual performances that he liked to call freak-offs. And in fact, jurors were shown for the first time today that horrifying videotape. Combs brutally beating, kicking and dragging his then-girlfriend. And then a male escort took the witness stand and he talked about how he saw firsthand that same young woman repeatedly battered by the defendant, who then tried to bribe a hotel security guard with a stack of cash

• 22:36Speaker 11

  to get rid of the evidence. In opening statements, what struck me was how the defense attorney openly admitted that her client committed domestic violence, but then tried to argue, well, that's not sex trafficking for which he's charged. Technically, yes, but it is an underlying crime in the racketeering case against him, which includes kidnapping, arson, sex crimes, bribery, obstruction, all part of this alleged criminal enterprise run by Sean Combs. His attorney also admitted to the jury that her client's conduct is quote-unquote "indefensible"

• 23:16Speaker 11

  and that he may be a sexual deviant, but that doesn't make him a criminal, which strikes me as not a terribly great defense. Also claiming that the disgusting sex tapes actually prove it was all consensual, and then urging the jury, "Don't be the moral police here." And finally, Combs' lawyers are going to be arguing, and they said this to the jury, that the alleged female victims, and there are a lot of them, are all motivated to lie out of greed because they filed lawsuits against Combs for money damages. Well, that is a typical defense tactic, but it is dangerous, it is perilous, jurors

• 23:58Speaker 11

  might perceive it as the lawyers revictimizing the victims. Katie?

• 24:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Vinny, thoughts on this?

• 24:06Speaker 07

  Well, I mean, it's unbelievably believable, if that makes any sense. Like, everybody, Pat, everybody in the hip-hop world and everybody knew exactly what Diddy was. Everybody, it's always like, everybody knows but nobody says anything. A lot of these people too, mind you, this is what, the third day, Rob? Wait till you see all the other stuff that's gonna be coming out. So, one of the guys that took the stand was Jonathan Ode, remember that guy? He was one of Diddy's male escorts that he hired for these freak-offs. And he said that Diddy, well, Cassie said on the stand, "Diddy forced her to have sex with these guys while watched and directed like a sick producer." And then, Ode confirmed it and said he got paid $800 a session, and remember, he signed the $5 million NDA to keep quiet? But here's what's crazier, do you remember who this guy was?

• 24:51Speaker 07

  You know who Jonathan Ode is?

• 24:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, of course.

• 24:53Speaker 07

  Nobody talks about him. We know, but he stormed Trump's Doral Resort in 2018, all right, with a gun and an American flag. He shot up- The lobby, he pulled the fire alarm, fired at a chandelier and started yelling about how Diddy, Hillary Clinton and Obama were part of a satanic cabal plotting to kill Trump. Think about this, uh, and everyone called him crazy back then, but like now, after you hear all this stuff about court, people are listening a little bit, uh, closer to what he's saying. And, um, she also said, besides all the urinating and all that stupid stuff, he said that he controlled every part of her life, took her phone, made her use fake names, tracked her movements. Uh, she said, uh, he made her call him Pop Pop and described how his eyes would go back.

• 25:35Patrick Bet-David?

  You know why Pop Pop?

• 25:36Speaker 07

  Why?

• 25:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Because that's her grandfather's nickname.

• 25:38Speaker 07

  No.

• 25:39Patrick Bet-David?

  He asked, he asked, what's your grandfather's nickname?

• 25:43Speaker 07

  What?

• 25:44Patrick Bet-David?

  She says Pop Pop. She says, moving forward, I want you to call me Pop Pop.

• 25:47Speaker 07

  What?

• 25:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Pop Pop is the name he wanted to be called because that's what she called her grandfather. Not even her daddy, her grandfather.

• 25:56Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 25:57Patrick Bet-David?

  Keep going, keep going.

• 25:58Speaker 07

  That's, well, thanks. I had, I had no idea. So they showed photos of her.

• 26:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Have you verified that, Rob? So?

• 26:02Speaker 07

  Yeah. And, uh, dragging her by her hair, doing all that stuff. And then, bro, check this out. Uh, he ran it like a business, Tom. Staff, staff managed the girls, flights, hotels were booked on their fake names and shell companies. There were burner phones, surveillance videos used for leverage, rumors, you know, that's the whole blackmail that we always talk about, rumors about celebrities and political connections tied to this mess. And Brandon, Brandon told me something about, um,

• 26:25Tom Ellsworth?

  That's racketeering. That's the racketeering charge. You just, for people listening, you just defined racketeering. A criminal enterprise operating like a business illegally is racketeering. What you just described, assistants, coordinators, you're the travel guy, I'm the SUV guy. Bingo.

• 26:41Speaker 07

  Yeah. And, uh, and, and Brandon actually looked this up. Do you guys know like Clive? Davis's name kept coming up because there was rumors and allegations, uh, and again, allegations suggesting that there was a sexual relationship between Clive Davis and Sean Diddy, all rumors, uh, cause mind you, in two thousand, nineteen ninety-three, Puffy, uh, fired, he was fired from Uptown Records and he started Bad Boy Entertainment, but he needed the money. Clive Davis, head of Orista Records, saw the potential and went fifty fifty joint venture, but the. Rumors are that they had some type of hooking up with each other. I mean dude, that guy just looks very, very sus in general. And Clive Davis publicly came out as bisexual in 2013.

• 27:24Speaker 07

  In his memoir, The Soundtrack of My Life, where he discusses his relationship with both men and women, but didn't involve or mention anybody's names. It's a weird world and it's just like, what? Here's my question, Pat. What makes someone like that go to this level and not think that they're ever going to get caught? And nobody's ever going to come forward and you're never going to get in trouble. It boggles my mind, the amount of stuff that he did. The, like, to have the power, Tom, to go in a hotel and get the footage of you beating someone in the hallway? And the hotel goes, "Yeah, yeah, here, take it for money."

• 27:59Patrick Bet-David?

  But he paid. He paid the security guy.

• 28:01Speaker 07

  Paid security, "Go grab it."

• 28:02Patrick Bet-David?

  He paid the security guy and he said, "Hey, got those guys to get involved, to support him with it." So, Adam, what do you know about the story so far?

• 28:10Adam Sosnick?

  So, welcome to Hollywood, ladies and gentlemen. I mean, you think that Diddy's the only person doing stuff like this? So, maybe he's the poster child at this point, but, you know, this trial is going to pull back the curtain on what the hell is going on behind the scenes.

• 28:26Patrick Bet-David?

  There's a challenge, though. Are you following any of the stories with this or not really?

• 28:29Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I'm seeing what's going on here. Why?

• 28:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so there's a few things that's a little bit, you gotta be, you gotta be careful with on what's going on here. Because there's one thing that was shown that they have to answer. By the way, go back to that pop pop, the one, the fact you just added up right there, Rob. So, Diddy was asked what Cassie called the grandfather, then made her call him by that name, testimony, pop pop. So, they found the texts, right? The exchange in texts between the two of them. So, you're the lawyer representing Diddy. They showed a text of her saying, "Can't wait for the next freak off."

• 29:02Adam Sosnick?

  That's what she said.

• 29:03Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what she said to him.

• 29:05Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 29:06Patrick Bet-David?

  "Can't wait for the next freak off." Rob, if you can type in "can't wait for the next freak off," you'll see this. So, check this out. So, "Can't wait for the next freak off" is, uh, are you seeing it? It's in many different articles where she says, "Can't wait for the next freak off."

• 29:23Adam Sosnick?

  I believe you.

• 29:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so guess what? Whether he made her text him to document it, or she actually did, guess who that helps? That helps Diddy. Of course. Because now they're gonna say what? It's consensual. So what do you mean, right there? No, not, not, there's no possibility you're gonna text. Okay, let me see that one? Can't wait, text from Cassie, uh, one sent to Sean on Father's Day. Can't wait until we have a baby of our own. She said, Ventura's previously loved Combs despite 11-year relationship, all this other stuff, right? So that's that part. The video that you see, her being dragged out of her room, you know, one of the escorts was in the room while that was taking place. She is running out while one of the escorts is in the room. And you know where they were getting these escorts from? Craigslist. They would go to Craigslist.

• 30:09Patrick Bet-David?

  They had two different names they used. The name she used was, "My Name Is Jackie Star." The name he used was Frank Black. The name she used, he used. He would put on a mask when you would come in, so nobody knew it was Diddy. And she would put on a wig, and you would not tell if it's them. So this is how they got away without any of it, and then it was all, always cash when this would take place. And then they would ask, "What would happen if you came in?" This is in the entire, what do you call it? The exchange deposition, yeah. She, they asked, "Well, what would happen when the escorts would come in? How would you pay them?" Said, "Well, he would pay them anywhere between $500 to $6,000." "Why is the range so high? If you came in and you didn't perform well, he paid you $500, asked you to leave."

• 30:54Patrick Bet-David?

  And he would tell you, "You didn't do a good job." If you came in, you performed very well, he'd give you $6,000, $3,000, $5,000, whatever it was, right? So it was performance-based. This guy's a, you know, almost like- Hey, listen, that's a business model, PDD. So that's, that's what he's doing with these guys when they're coming in and out. One time, they're on a flight, and she's sick and tired of sitting next to him. She switches seats to go sit by herself away from him. He goes to her, shows a video, and says, "Do that again. I'll make sure the world sees this video." And it's a video of her with a nut, with one of the escorts. And he has us all in video. Okay, imagine how you're being held hostage with all of this stuff that you have, that you're being controlled with. And this continues to get bigger because Ventura alleged that Combs threatened rap rapper Kid Cudi.

• 31:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Claiming he would blow up Cuddy's car, the claim is part of a broader pattern of intimidation described during the trial. And then it continues talking about her health and all these other things, but a lot of people are watching this lawyer specifically are saying Diddy may get off because of the way they're making the case. And some of this stuff is showing the fact that this was consensual. Because if this, the purpose of this is what? What is the purpose of this? What is he being judged for? He's being judged for what?

• 32:05Adam Sosnick?

  Racketeering and trafficking.

• 32:07Patrick Bet-David?

  And trafficking. Well, trafficking is mutual. There's consensual. So the trafficking case could be dismissed. The racketeering on what he's doing, well, there's plenty of documentation there that something can happen. But some of the handling could potentially cause Diddy to become OJ Simpson 2.0.

• 32:24Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 32:25Patrick Bet-David?

  And goes free.

• 32:26Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, man.

• 32:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 32:28Adam Sosnick?

  I actually think that's...

• 32:29Patrick Bet-David?

  My opinion.

• 32:30Adam Sosnick?

  I think that's what's gonna happen, to be honest with you.

• 32:31Patrick Bet-David?

  What? Yeah, I think Diddy's gonna be OJ Simpson 2.0. He'll be free and then it'll take us 10, 20 years to find out the whole details and he's gonna do the same interviews and wink, wink and all this other stuff and you're gonna see that happening 2.0.

• 32:42Adam Sosnick?

  Let me tell you why I agree with you, PBD. Because what's happening in society today is something called trial by media. And the media gets a story, whether it's Harvey Weinstein, whether it's Johnny Depp, whether it's Andrew Tate, whether it's Diddy, and boom, it's off to the races. Whether it's the actual media, whether it's mainstream media, whether it's social media, they take a story and then all of a sudden it's out there in the airwaves. And what happens when millions and millions and millions of people hear about Diddy? Oh, he's guilty. What a scumbag. They saw the video of him beating the crap out of Cassie. He's a piece of shit. Okay, we get that. But in America, it's innocent until proven guilty. So in my opinion, here's what's gonna happen. All this stuff is gonna come to light.

• 33:26Adam Sosnick?

  He's a sexual freak, he's a deviant, he's a control freak, uh, he's doing all these things, there's thousands of bottles of, of lube, but then they're gonna come down to the point that, alright, so the, the, the main witness, it would seem, is your girlfriend for the last 10 years. And they're gonna ask her the question, well, why didn't you leave?

• 33:48Adam Sosnick?

  What happened? Well, he's, he scared me. He's intimidating. He's a power freak. He's a control freak. Okay. Well, you can put a restraining order on him. You can do whatever you want. And in my opinion, they're gonna look at her. By the way, she already received $20 million settlement. So I'm not saying that I'm condoning anything that Diddy does. But I agree with you, PBD. At some point, they're gonna look at this and they're gonna say, racketeering? What'd he do that's racketeering? Sex trafficking? They're gonna try to use like cross state lines, however that is. But the defense strategy is gonna be she co-sign this. And as deranged and as psychotic as it is, you signed up for this.

• 34:28Speaker 07

  And just really fast, every time something, remember, we talked about this, every time something with Diddy's name came up, Justin Bieber, something was always weird. He was doing weird stuff. He was drinking, he was on drugs. Yesterday, he posted something really weird, because the case is blowing up and it's everywhere. He posted a video of him eating a slice of pizza, which with the surveillance type thing, if you guys remember, you know, all the surveillance stuff that was at Diddy's house and everything? I wouldn't play the music, Rob. But Liz Krugan, who they always talk about Pizza Gate, you know, the conspiracy about Pizza Gate? This was a weird thing that he posted yesterday.

• 35:00Adam Sosnick?

  Hillary Clinton Pizza Gate?

• 35:01Speaker 07

  No, Hillary Clinton, John Podesta, all these leaked emails, by the way. And if people want to do a deep dive about $65,000 worth of hot dogs and pizza getting sent to the White House, do your own research. But it's kind of weird, which I think this is one of the most famous victims, is my opinion. And this was a message, I think, posting that, eating pizza.

• 35:20Patrick Bet-David?

  What's his message, though?

• 35:21Adam Sosnick?

  What's, what is it?

• 35:22Speaker 07

  Letting know that what these people are doing.

• 35:23Patrick Bet-David?

  Is it support for Diddy?

• 35:26Speaker 07

  Absolutely not. It's, it's showing them that these people not only hook up and they're, by the way, these are the facts. They're doing, they're disgusting evil people. He's saying that, my opinion, this might be a call, like, hey, listen, they mess with little kids, too. Just letting you know.

• 35:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, let me, let me tell you. When Shug was on the podcast, and I said, Shug, what do you know about what's going on with, you know, Diddy and all this stuff? He says, well, listen, you don't one day wake up and do stuff like this. Somebody taught you how to do it. And I said, who would teach him? He says Clive Davis would teach him how to do it. Clive did that to him. And I think there was a story about Diddy. When he was, was it Rush Hour? I don't know which one it was. There was something that happened where Diddy was a part of it and Clyde gave him the opportunity in exchange for, you know, a request that he made and apparently Diddy gave him the request and then Clyde set him up with his career. So because of that, you know, Diddy took off that the way he did. Now, listen, that's pure speculation.

• 36:26Patrick Bet-David?

  But all I'm saying to you is Clyde Debs, his name keeps coming up over and over again. Tom, do you have any thoughts?

• 36:31Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, I got one. Nobody's talking about all the other people that have been in those pictures at the freak-offs. And they're all very nervous about this and they don't want to be exposed. They're already in pictures. They don't want anything to go any further and there's a lot of nervous people. I take you back very, very briefly and I'll put a period at the end of the sentence. 1994, 1996, Heidi Fleiss, the Hollywood madam and her black book and how they said, "You would not believe the amount of energy that went behind the scenes with lawyers attempting to make sure that that piece of evidence in her case was sealed and kept off the streets." And it was her black book and that's what we're seeing here.

• 37:14Tom Ellsworth?

  So there's, there's another part of this that I think is almost like theater to watch. Is how people that were in a picture or you were at there, it's like the Epstein files. I was just gonna say that. Yep, they, you know what? They're all worried about it. And so it's, we'll let, we'll let due process play out for Diddy and I have nothing to add about what people have said there, but you know what? From Heidi Fleiss's black book to Epstein's files, there's a lot of other people that are doing things in Hollywood.

• 37:41Patrick Bet-David?

  I got you. I got it. So we'll see what happens. I thought it was a period there, but there was a lot of commas. But Saudi rollout, the red car- I'm just teasing you, Tom. I'm giving you a hard time, Tom. Saudi rollout, I was waiting for the period. I'm like, damn, that's a long ass sentence.

• 37:53Tom Ellsworth?

  Very good sentence.

• 37:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Saudi roll out the red carpet for fast food-loving Trump and mobile McDonald's. I mean, these guys were competing on how to give president, this is President Trump shows up. Look what they have there. Look at this. They know how much he loves Big Mac. They're like, yeah, bring it out, right? Bring it out.

• 38:08Tom Ellsworth?

  That says on the top, ba-da-ba-ba-ba.

• 38:10Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm loving it.

• 38:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Anyways, and then while he's there, he's giving a speech. So he goes to Saudi first. He comes out. This is the first time he's coming out. Tom, you were telling the story about the fact that the only last time that he came out was for his father.

• 38:24Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, apparently.

• 38:26Patrick Bet-David?

  MBS.

• 38:27Tom Ellsworth?

  MBS, coming out to the plane. The report I read was he had only done that with his father. He normally has the horse guard come out and give them a big welcome and then they meet him at the palace. So he's on home field, right?

• 38:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 38:39Tom Ellsworth?

  But he came out to the plane.

• 38:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so that's showing the ultimate level of respect. And then there was the purple.

• 38:44Tom Ellsworth?

  Purple carpet, it's like, almost like royalty. Like, that's showing of respect. And the thing that the gifts that they gave him, he really, really treats him as an equal. Look at that. Like, that doesn't happen.

• 38:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, the purple carpet, walking up and then walking out with him, okay? America looking powerful again.

• 39:02Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 39:02Patrick Bet-David?

  While he's there, he gives a speech, which, by the way, a very bold speech, folks. A lot of neocons were not happy about that speech. A lot of people were not happy about that speech that he gave. Rob, if you have it, a buck twenty of it, the shorter version of it, is that the one? Go ahead and play this clip. Go for it. Watch this.

• 39:19Speaker 12

  The transformations have been unbelievably remarkable. Before our eyes, a new generation of leaders is transcending the ancient conflicts of tired divisions of the past and forging a future where the Middle East is defined by commerce, not chaos. Where it exports technology, not terrorism. And where people of different nations, religions, and creeds are building cities together, not bombing each other out of existence. We don't want that.

• 39:57Speaker 12

  And it's crucial for the wider world to note, this great transformation has not come from Western interventionists or flying people in beautiful planes giving you lectures on how to live and how to govern your own affairs. No. The gleaming marvels of Riyadh and Abu Dhabi were not created by the so-called nation builders, neocons, or liberal nonprofits like those who spent trillions and trillions of dollars failing.

• 40:30Speaker 12

  To develop Kabul, Baghdad, so many other cities. Instead, the birth of a modern Middle East has been brought by the people of the region themselves, the people that are right here, the people that have lived here all their lives, developing your own sovereign countries, pursuing your own unique visions and show-

• 40:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Pause it, Rob. So, you know, he's doing that, then he offers the 140, uh, uh, uh, the, the, inks the 142 billion dollar arms deal with Saudi Arabia, which, Tom, you have some thoughts on that, part of the 600 billion dollar investment. And then, you know, on top of that, you know, he gets on the plane and goes to Qatar and does his thing there, but I'll pause right here. Tom, your thoughts on this visit? Why was this special? What was special about it?

• 41:16Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, I think he's, he's going around the world and he's doing these trade deals. And he's also trying to improve relationships with people. And America has always had this weird relationship with Saudi Arabia, where on one level, you know, we have this, um, this détente, and on another level, they do things behind the scenes. Well, what was interesting is they announced that they were gonna put all this money, 600 billion dollars in the US, and they're spending 142 billion of it. So, Trump came back, 102 billion, and guess what they wanted? They wanted state of the art, air force missile defense and maritime security. Because remember, they got the Gulf there and they got the same problems, believe it

• 41:57Tom Ellsworth?

  or not, the, um, uh, the Somali pirates bother the shipping for Saudi as well. So, he comes over and he gets an arms deal, so that's money going to some of, um, you know, our defense, military defense, industrial defense complex, um, that raises their revenue and it helps the stock market, but now it's like, okay, how are they gonna use these things? Because Saudi's always been kinda two-sided on it. But I think he's out there trying to be, trying to, um-

• 42:29Tom Ellsworth?

  Get a better position. So whenever people see these things and they think, oh, I can't believe he's doing this and that. He's trying to get us a toe up. Every one of these things. He's trying to get us a toe up. And I'm not buying off on the that that he's caving on this or that.

• 42:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you think Saudi's being a good agent? Do you think Saudi's being straight up? Do you think Saudi's gonna take that 142 billion dollar arms deal and indirectly sell it to other people to make profit on it? Do you think they will do something like that? Or maybe that was in the past, they won't do it again moving forward?

• 42:56Tom Ellsworth?

  They they they arms tend to these. Not all of these regimes are altruistic. There's a little corruption all over the Middle East and stuff goes out the back door. The French have been selling, you know, missiles and Exosafe fighters for decades and all of a sudden they go over here and then they go over here. How'd you get those? Oh, we got them from the French. You know, it's a trade deal. So it's it to me, you know, whenever you do, whenever it's a big arms deal, one day they're gonna do something, someone's gonna do something with the arms in the Middle East. They rarely build up big missile stockpiles like the US and Russia did. Stalemate, never use them. Weapons tend to get used in the Middle East. And so I worry about that in the future. But I think right now, I think

• 43:41Tom Ellsworth?

  the Saudis are trying to walk forward because I think the Saudis is one regime as people say, well, they're, you know, bad things about them this way and that way. But there is one thing about them. They don't want to look like the old Middle East. They are actually building cities and are trying to look forward. That doesn't make everything they're doing on the backside good, but they are actively trying to make it to tomorrow.

• 44:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, your thoughts on this?

• 44:12Adam Sosnick?

  Well, when you think of Saudi, you have to think of one name, and that's MBS. Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman has been trying to transform Saudi Arabia from a from the Dark Ages into a modern society. I mean, when he came to power, you know, he allowed women to start driving again. He started basically reaching out to countries and give economic prosperity. He started basically using sports and culture and entertainment.

• 44:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Allowed women to start driving again?

• 44:40Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah. Tough stuff, right? You're crazy. I mean, I totally disagreed with this, but just shout out to the prince for what he's doing. I'm not even comfortable with you driving. I don't, that's why I don't drive. Unless the crown prince wants to get me a car. But this is the guy that's transforming the Middle East. I would take the gift, PBD. Thank you. But this is the guy that's transforming the Middle East. Now, he doesn't come with issues, not come with issues. There's been allegations, there's been stories, there's been rumors. But at the end of the day, this is the type of a leader that works for the Middle East. The Middle East doesn't have presidents, they don't have prime ministers, they have rulers. This is what they respond to. So here's the guy changing things.

• 45:23Adam Sosnick?

  Now, when Trump comes in, on the surface, this all looks great, but as always, the devil's in the details. So here's how I would break down the Middle East, and PBD, you would know this better than anybody. In the Middle East, you have what you could call the haves and the have-nots. There's a big difference between the petro-states and the Gulf states versus everybody else. So the countries that have money have what one thing, Tom? Oil. So Qatar, UAE, Saudi, Kuwait, Bahrain, all those Gulf states right there, their GDP per capita is incredible. I think Qatar, which is quietly one of the leaders of funding terrorism, don't say it out loud,

• 46:09Adam Sosnick?

  has the highest GDP per capita in the world, in the world. I think number two is Luxembourg. But then you have the have-nots. The have-nots is where everything gets very messy and very tricky and very ugly in the Middle East. You're talking Yemen, war, Syria, civil war, Lebanon, Hezbollah, Iran, we know what's going on there, Iraq, Jordan to an extent, Egypt.

• 46:39Adam Sosnick?

  Even the Palestinian territories, all these areas are basically marked with death and chaos. When I had the conversation with our friend Bassem Youssef, I said, "The one thing that would hopefully happen in the Middle East is exactly what Trump said he wanted to prioritize." He said the following, "I want to prioritize commerce, not chaos." And that's exactly what I said to Bassem. I said, "It would be amazing if countries were able to focus on GDP, not GDT, gross domestic product, not gross domestic terrorism." The issue is, the rich countries basically fund terrorism in the poor countries.

• 47:20Adam Sosnick?

  And they have proxy wars. What's the proxy war that Saudi and Iran are fighting in Yemen? Who is Qatar and Iran funding? Hezbollah, the Houthis, Hamas? So it's a very tricky situation.

• 47:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me tell you what happened, though, with President Trump. You know, he also, on this visit to Qatar, Rob, can you find that one clip where he says, you know, "You remind me a lot about the person I just visited right now, which is..." Do you have that clip, Rob?

• 47:47Speaker 10

  This hit where he says, "Tall and handsome"?

• 47:49Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no. They're sitting next to each other. He's sitting literally right next to the...

• 47:52Speaker 10

  Oh, right here.

• 47:53Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the one right there. Yeah, watch that one right there, where he says... Go ahead.

• 47:56Speaker 13

  We came from Saudi Arabia, where we have another great man over there.

• 47:59Patrick Bet-David?

  They're competitors. Watch.

• 48:00Speaker 13

  That's a friend of yours. And you two guys get along so well and like each other. You sort of remind me a little bit of each other.

• 48:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Look at the face on it.

• 48:08Speaker 13

  They're both tall, handsome guys that happen to be very smart. But he's also a very special guy, and it's good to see all the relationships forming in the Middle East. Because the Middle East is really being talked about all over the world. And we're having a lot to do with it. We're helping a lot, but they're doing a tremendous job. So I just want to thank everybody very much for being here. I want to thank the media.

• 48:33Patrick Bet-David?

  You know where he goes to next?

• 48:34Speaker 13

  The media's been very fair, actually.

• 48:35Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, he goes to Syria.

• 48:37Speaker 13

  This is a...

• 48:37Adam Sosnick?

  No, he doesn't go to Syria.

• 48:39Patrick Bet-David?

  He meets with Syria's president. First time ever in 25 years.

• 48:42Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, and he...

• 48:43Speaker 10

  Weird.

• 48:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Do you have that with the Syria... Trump Syria's president?

• 48:46Adam Sosnick?

  He lifted the sanctions off Syria for the first time in 45 years.

• 48:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, so can you pull up the two of them together? There is a clip I saw of the two of them together. Syria president, let me see if I can find this. So again, for... Is this the one? First time in 25 years, image of Trump. Sharah meeting in Saudi royal court. So yeah, that's right. So they're there, but this is the first time in 25 years a US president sits with Syria's president. I mean, the way he's going about it. He's making a statement to everybody. Listen, I don't want war.

• 49:23Adam Sosnick?

  Period.

• 49:24Patrick Bet-David?

  You gotta love it. And the way he's doing it is, who is he going to? Can you pull up who this person is, Rob? So, so what do we know about Ahmed Al Sharah?

• 49:34Adam Sosnick?

  Former jihadist is now taking over Syria.

• 49:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, former. That's right. Oh, you retired?

• 49:41Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, well, you know, he's basically a terrorist in a suit and tie. And I'm using air quotes for the people listening.

• 49:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Al Sharah joined Al Qaeda in Iraq shortly before 2003 invasion of Iraq and fought for three years in Iraqi insurgency. American forces captured and imprisoned him from 2006 to 2011. His release coincided with the Syrian revolution that the Ba- uh, Ba'athist dictatorship of Bashar al-Assad. Al Sharah created the Al-Nusra Front in 2012 with the support of Al Qaeda to fight the Assad regime in Syrian civil war. As Emir of the Al-Nusra Front, Al Sharah built a stronghold in the northwestern Idlib government. He resisted Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, which is a...

• 50:21Adam Sosnick?

  Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi.

• 50:24Patrick Bet-David?

  Attempts to merge Al-Nusra.

• 50:27Adam Sosnick?

  Beautiful dog.

• 50:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Al-Nusra Front, it is not good. Al-Nusra's front with Islamists, they're leading to a war between the two groups in 2006. And so this is, do you realize who you're sitting down with? So you're sitting down with someone saying, hey, man, how you doing? So he said, the difference is we're, you know, you're a true killer. But what I have access to, you don't have access to.

• 50:47Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 50:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Can we find a way to eliminate war? Now, here's the thing. The, the, the challenge here is, the next four years. Look at that picture right there, Vinnie. Look at that picture right there. Okay? You realize that Saudi and Syria and him in the middle. He's smiling. The smile on the guy on the right from Syria is a different kind of a smile.

• 51:08Adam Sosnick?

  It's not even a smile.

• 51:09Patrick Bet-David?

  This is a temporary picture we will take, but in four years when you are no longer here.

• 51:14Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 51:15Patrick Bet-David?

  If I get Kamala or know somebody else, I please, I will, I will destroy everybody. But, you know, who knows what's gonna happen here? What I love the most, is here what I love the most, man. Remember the, the qualities of an incredible leader is what? Fear? Like, respect, love. In this case, he doesn't need to be loved.

• 51:39Speaker 07

  Nope.

• 51:39Patrick Bet-David?

  But he's liked, respected, and feared. That's all that matters. And it's working.

• 51:44Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 51:45Patrick Bet-David?

  And, and the chat, the only unfortunate thing about this. This is not gonna get fixed in four years.

• 51:51Speaker 07

  No.

• 51:51Patrick Bet-David?

  You need ten years of this.

• 51:53Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 51:53Patrick Bet-David?

  But you're not gonna have it in America.

• 51:55Speaker 07

  So what does that tell you, though?

• 51:56Patrick Bet-David?

  What do you mean, what does that tell you?

• 51:57Speaker 07

  That tells us whoever comes after this guy, we have to keep this going and not give the other side an inch.

• 52:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Whoever comes is not gonna have the swagger that this guy has.

• 52:07Speaker 07

  At all, at all.

• 52:07Adam Sosnick?

  I actually think it could be done quicker than you think.

• 52:11Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me.

• 52:12Adam Sosnick?

  Because, look, this picture right here. This is groundbreaking. We haven't done stuff like this in the president. You gotta give president credit. So sometimes it's considered photo ops, and sometimes it's actually considered getting shit done.

• 52:25Patrick Bet-David?

  He's not a photo op guy.

• 52:26Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, well.

• 52:26Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a doer.

• 52:27Speaker 07

  He's a doer.

• 52:28Adam Sosnick?

  I agree with you, but hear me out. He met with Kim Jong-un, North Korea. Great photo op. They sent me love letters. That didn't lead to anything. He met with Putin. Obviously, that turned out a little sour when Biden came to office. He met with Erdogan. Erdogan has become even a stronger autocrat. So what will happen is this, and this is my opinion. This is why I think it can go quicker. What do you think Trump's ultimate, ultimate, ultimate, ultimate goal is? If you could sort of condense everything he's doing into one specific, actual, tangible item. In my opinion, what I think his ultimate goal is to actually finish what he started, which is the Abraham Accords.

• 53:13Adam Sosnick?

  So if you actually pay attention to what he's doing, he's almost using the exact playbook that Bibi Netanyahu was doing in the Middle East. What is that? It's called the 99 to 1 strategy. The, the Israeli government and the world was so focused on Israel having peace with Palestine that they said, you know, until you, there it is right there. 91, strategic approach, often in the context of political discourse and military planning, or a small number of resources or actions focused on achieving a significant result. Hear me out. They said you can't have peace in the Middle East until you have peace with the Palestinians. And he goes, no. I don't think so, because these psychopaths in Hamas were never gonna have peace with these people.

• 53:56Adam Sosnick?

  So what we're gonna do is start putting olive branches all around the Middle East. Boom, Abraham Accords happens. They start doing deals. Obviously, they have peace agreements with Egypt and Jordan that existed already. UAE, Bahrain, Oman, all these countries starts happening, one by one by one. And some speculate that October 7th happened, why? Because they were getting dangerously close to a deal, a peace agreement with Saudi. Okay, Trump sees that. He finished what he started. Now, Trump is basically doing the exact same thing, but on a bigger scale. And who is US focused on isolating if there's one country in the Middle East? One country, it would be Iran. So Trump's going out there saying, "Listen, let me go make friends with Qatar.

• 54:40Adam Sosnick?

  Let me drop sanctions on Syria. Let me work out this deal with Saudi." All in the guise of basically saying, "Look, we have to isolate Iran, because if we're gonna basically get everybody on our side and isolate Iran, that is the only way that they're gonna come to the table and finish this nuclear deal that they started." So just to give you quick numbers, real quick. 142 billion to arms deal with Saudi. 600 Saudi investment into the US. $200 billion Boeing deal with Qatar. Lift sanctions on Syria. Quietly, very quietly, a $1 billion arms deal is approved with Israel. Okay, and then Trump basically says, "Iran, make your move, buddy, because the nuclear deal is gonna be hanging on your shoulder." That's what I think is happening.

• 55:25Speaker 07

  Well, yeah, well, top Iranian officials say that Tehran would forego highly enriched uranium in nuclear deal with Trump. So Trump is in big time negotiations with them, but you know what it is? Just really fast, this is what leadership looks like. He's not there to bow, he's not there to apologize, he's not there to send pallets of cash. Okay, he's making deals, he's stopping the bloodshed, and he's showing strength. Unlike Biden, you see, bro, compare him to Joe Biden. Joe Biden, besides the falling down the stairs, when he met MBS, you know what he did? He fist bumped him. He's not even like...

• 55:53Adam Sosnick?

  During Covid, so...

• 55:55Speaker 07

  No, no, it wasn't during Covid. It wasn't during Covid. Regardless, you don't fist bump a freaking leader of a country, okay? And he's, well, as I said, Trump is building peace with countries that used to chant, "Death to America." That's exactly what the hell he's doing, bro. He's, this is real diplomacy. He's not fighting, he's not trying to do all these wars and do all that shit. It's strength. Strength, not weakness. Yeah, what COVID? Nobody's wearing that low. That one guy in the back.

• 56:20Adam Sosnick?

  Vinny, not to get into the devil of details. This is during COVID. So that's the whole reason that they did a fist bump. But it's it's almost irrelevant at this point.

• 56:27Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's irrelevant.

• 56:28Adam Sosnick?

  What's more relevant, more relevant is Biden came to office and the first thing he did was criticize MBS for the whole Jamal Khashoggi thing. And I get that. But you know, they say you don't make peace with your friends. You make peace with your enemies. Saudi is now becoming more and more and more of an ally. Don't forget that Saudi, who funded, I think, $2 billion of Jared Kushner's $3 billion

• 56:53Speaker 07

  Saudi Arabia.

• 56:53Adam Sosnick?

  investment? Saudi. So there's an interesting relationship going here. And in my opinion, it's all to isolate Iran. PBD, can I turn to you on this Iran thing?

• 57:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Sure.

• 57:01Adam Sosnick?

  Okay. So if Trump does all these deals, and he starts basically doing these arms deals and getting Qatar on board and and basically sort of leveraging economic ties and military ties, even with people that have not been our friends, Qatar, Syria, what have you. All of a sudden, Iran is looking at it and being like, hold on, we're out in the cold here. How does the Iranian government, the Ayatollahs, look at something like this from their perspective?

• 57:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, how many nuclear weapons does Qatar have?

• 57:28Adam Sosnick?

  None, allegedly.

• 57:30Patrick Bet-David?

  How many nuclear weapons does Saudi have?

• 57:32Adam Sosnick?

  None, hopefully.

• 57:33Patrick Bet-David?

  How many nuclear weapons do any of these countries in the Gulf have?

• 57:37Adam Sosnick?

  Hopefully, zero.

• 57:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay.

• 57:39Adam Sosnick?

  Iran is working on it, and Israel may or may not have it.

• 57:42Patrick Bet-David?

  How many nuclear weapons does Russia have?

• 57:46Adam Sosnick?

  A whole bunch.

• 57:47Patrick Bet-David?

  How many nuclear weapons does China have?

• 57:49Adam Sosnick?

  A good amount.

• 57:50Patrick Bet-David?

  How is Turkey's military?

• 57:52Adam Sosnick?

  Very strong.

• 57:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen, that's great that all these guys have money and oil. Their military is not a threat to anybody. They they can do all the proxy stuff that they want to do. And I love that he's doing this because he is ousting them from financially. You're suffocating Iran. Financially and you're empowering these guys. But to think what like Iran's gonna come back and work with you? You know Iran the other day, uh, uh, when I'm talking to one of the biggest Iranian media companies, they came out here because we were talking about potentially purchasing them. And, and I won't be giving any names and I don't want any of that to be out in the open. But we're having this conversation with them. Great conversation.

• 58:36Patrick Bet-David?

  And, you know, so why are you doing what you're doing? Well, you know, one day, one day, one day, I said, I get it one day, but why are you doing what you're doing? He says, well, if Iran opens up and the economy opens up, you realize no American companies right now do commercials over there. If it opens up, think about no AT&T, no Ford, no nothing. How big is that market? How many people? That's right. Watch this. This is Canada Dry commercial in Iran, 1973. Go ahead and play this. Go ahead, Rob.

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• 59:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Man, I drink, I drink. Look at this, look at this.

• 1:00:01Patrick Bet-David?

  This works with us, buddy. It doesn't work, I want to have one right now. Look at that. Canada Dry. I'm gonna have it right now. Bring one for me from 1973 with the sous skin.

• 1:00:09Adam Sosnick?

  It's almost disbelievable, but that's what Iran was like.

• 1:00:12Patrick Bet-David?

  No, but what I'm trying to say to you is, what I'm trying to say to you is like-

• 1:00:14Adam Sosnick?

  Very western.

• 1:00:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, of course. Like you wanted to get to that. That was under the Shah.

• 1:00:19Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 1:00:19Patrick Bet-David?

  You wanted to get to that. You wanted to get to that level. You wanted to experience that with Iran. Here's another clip, Rob. If you can go to the other one of women's sports, girls playing sports and what they're doing. Watch this one here. This is the old Iran. Go ahead.

• 1:00:34Patrick Bet-David?

  79, look what they're wearing. This is pre. This is them playing soccer. It's just, it's like anywhere else, look at this. They're involved in sports, they're doing their thing. You're not gonna find this today. This is not what you're seeing over there. So, but to go over there, what you're asking, right? Okay. Yeah, because the Ayatollahs do not want that. No, they do not want that. They don't want ladies in leggings. They do not want that. So that economy around, if it gets better and Iran is sitting around and is like, hey daddy, Joey's getting inheritance from you, Bobby's getting this, da-da-da-da-da, and I'm not getting anything. But that kid is gonna create resentment towards daddy. And in this scenario, daddy is who? Daddy is Trump. Why? Because daddy creates the sanctions where somebody's gonna do business with you or not.

• 1:01:20Patrick Bet-David?

  But that kid that is turning against wanting to do business, a part of it is also what? An element of Cain. Cain and Abel where it's like, hey man, you are also not willing to, you destroyed an incredible piece of land that God gave you. Iran, this, this place has a very, very rich history, what happened to it. So to me, as much as this is all good economically, GDP instead of GDT, which is a very good point you made with Bassem when you guys were speaking to each other, yes. Having said that, Iran still has the backing of three of the biggest gangsters in that area. So what are you gonna do? Turkey, Russia, and China still got a good relationship with them. Now, if Trump is able to get Zelensky and Putin to meet in Russia, on Russian's ground,

• 1:02:06Patrick Bet-David?

  to call, because that's the deal. This is all good, but this is all money to me. This is all money, saying, listen, bring some of that old money to the States. Here's what we're gonna be doing. This is fantastic for economy and commerce. But what I wanna see is, which is gonna happen, you know it's gonna happen. The president goes with his team. You got the Lutniks, you got the Rubio's, you got all those guys. They're in Russia?

• 1:02:34Patrick Bet-David?

  With Zelensky and his people on Russia in a room with that picture, you see that Trump's standing in the middle with Putin to the right and Zelensky to the left.

• 1:02:42Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:42Patrick Bet-David?

  And that deal happens. That's good. Then he goes to China or Xi comes here. And that visit happens. And if there's anybody that would be willing to go to China, he would go to make that on the big national, international stage. And then if he gets to find a way to get Turkey also scored a way to be calmed down, then guess what happens with Iran? They're the Lone Ranger sitting there saying, oh shit.

• 1:03:08Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:08Patrick Bet-David?

  He's building a relationship. So I'm excited about that next phase of what's gonna happen.

• 1:03:13Adam Sosnick?

  We'll see what happens.

• 1:03:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, we'll see what happens.

• 1:03:15Adam Sosnick?

  Can we address what just going on? Since you brought up Russia and Ukraine, you know, the latest, you know, okay, you want to go there?

• 1:03:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, yeah. The, the, the request that he made.

• 1:03:22Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, because right now they're apparently meeting in Turkey in Istanbul. And there's one key player that has not shown up. And that is Putin.

• 1:03:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:30Adam Sosnick?

  So you have that story, Pat?

• 1:03:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Is the Wall Street Journal one you're looking at?

• 1:03:33Adam Sosnick?

  This is the Wall Street Journal and New York Post where Zelensky challenges Putin to meet him in person for peace talks, just as Trump suggested. You want to read that? You want me to read it?

• 1:03:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, if you want to go to page 10, I'll read the story here and then I'll come to you guys. But the, the, the, the request here is, I don't know if it's showing what Putin is asking. So Zelensky challenges Putin to meet him in person for peace talks, just as Trump suggested. Ukrainian President Zelensky challenged Putin to meet him in person for peace talks in Istanbul with his advisor Mikhail Podolik, stating President Zelensky will not meet with any other Russian representative in Istanbul except for Putin as a sign Russia is ready to end its invasion. This followed President Trump's suggestion, who said talks are being held in Turkey later this week, probably on Thursday, and they could produce some pretty good results. The Kremlin has not confirmed Putin's attendance as the, at the Thursday meeting, which is

• 1:04:25Patrick Bet-David?

  today, which he proposed after Western threats of sanctions of 30 days, his ceasefire was not agreed upon with the Institute for the Study of War, noting Russia foreign officials claim a sit-down would be pure spectacle. U.S. Envoys Steve Witkoff and Keith Kellogg and Secretary of State Marco Rubio will attend to help end the three-year war, per familiar sources. And then obviously, Rob, if you got the clip, go on and play the clip here.

• 1:04:51Speaker 14

  What happens on Thursday if President Putin doesn't show up in Turkey for the talks with Ukraine? What will you do?

• 1:04:57Speaker 05

  Well, I don't know if he's showing up. I know he would like me to be there. And that's a possibility. If we could end the war, I'd be thinking about that. Now, tomorrow, we're all booked out. You understand that. We're all set.

• 1:05:11Speaker 14

  But you both, he goes.

• 1:05:12Speaker 05

  You will eat tomorrow. And so we have a very full situation now. That doesn't mean I wouldn't do it to save a lot of lives and come back. But yeah, I think they're thinking about something. I don't know that he would be there if I'm not there. We're gonna find out. Marco is going. And Marco's been very effective.

• 1:05:34Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so that's one, Rob. Do you have the other clip as well? The other clip about Ukraine and Russia can't agree on who will meet for peace talks? From the Wall Street Journal?

• 1:05:42Speaker 10

  I have Fox News reporting on it. This, I believe, broke late last night, where it was announced that Putin will not be traveling.

• 1:05:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, go ahead and play this clip.

• 1:05:50Speaker 15

  President Trump and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin will not attend tomorrow's peace talks between Kiev and Moscow. That after learning that Putin was not on the list of attendees. A U.S. official said, "Once we learned that, they took the president off the possible list of attendees as well." As for Ukraine's president, Volodymyr Zelensky, well, he's on his way to Turkey. He earlier said he'd only take part in talks if Putin was present. President Trump, for his part, wants the two sides to sign a 30-day ceasefire deal. We'll see.

• 1:06:20Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so here's my question for you. Was Putin, was Trump supposed to be there with Putin being there? Or did Putin find that President Trump's not gonna be there, so he backed out? Which one is it, Rob? Tom, Trump, do you know? No, I don't. That's the main question. Because to me, Adam, do you know or no? Do you know what question I just asked? So I just asked the following question. So...

• 1:06:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Did Putin decide not to go because he found that the president that president is not fully committed to being there? Or did Putin last minute know that the president was gonna be there? And then all of a sudden canceled? And said, "I'm not going," and then the President Trump said, "Also, I'm also canceling, I'm not going."

• 1:07:03Adam Sosnick?

  No, I think it's pretty clear, in my opinion, that this comes down to one person, Putin not showing up. You're telling me that if Putin agreed to show up, Trump would move everything in his schedule to get to, I think Istanbul in this case? He's in the Middle East already. This comes down to Putin. And then what did Zelensky say?

• 1:07:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Why wouldn't Putin not show up?

• 1:07:23Adam Sosnick?

  Because he's not willing to come to the table.

• 1:07:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Why not, though?

• 1:07:27Adam Sosnick?

  Because clearly, he's not willing to end this war.

• 1:07:31Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, no, it's deeper than that. It's deeper than that. I can't just be that.

• 1:07:35Adam Sosnick?

  What do you think it is?

• 1:07:37Patrick Bet-David?

  No, it's deeper than that, because I think Putin is... You can have five different bosses and have to negotiate with each of them in five different ways. You don't negotiate with each one the same exact way as you negotiate with the other one. If there's anybody that knows this, guess who this is? Trump knows this, 100%. I guarantee you, already is thinking about what ways to do. Something is not adding up. His request was what? What was his request? His request is to some sort of a guarantee that they're not gonna be going into NATO, right? That's one. There's a couple requests that he made, Putin made. I'm not sure if those requests are being met.

• 1:08:18Patrick Bet-David?

  And also, I'm not sure if he is convinced that Zelensky is not going to use that moment to make a spectacle the way he did with Trump. And if Zelensky is gonna act hardcore on the camera, the way he did with Trump, to go back and show his people's strength? Yeah, I don't... And by the way, remember, Putin is not one... Have you ever seen Putin animated speaking?

• 1:08:43Adam Sosnick?

  No.

• 1:08:44Patrick Bet-David?

  Matter of fact, go on YouTube, Rob, type in Putin speaking animated.

• 1:08:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Just type in Putin speaking animated. Have you ever seen him speaking in a very animated way? No, he's very... Never. You've heard others do that. Everything else is a meme. Go a little bit lower, Rob. Go a little bit lower, Rob. Keep going lower slowly. See, everything is a meme. There is no such thing as him speaking animated. Matter of fact, go to the one that says 1.8 million, Rob. Let's see what that... All the way to the right. All the way to the right. Let's see how he speaks there.

• 1:09:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Can you put some audio? I don't even want to know what he's saying. I just want to hear his tone.

• 1:09:22Patrick Bet-David?

  This is the most animated you'll see. Go back to the 4.5 million or the 5.4 million. There's one clip that was 5.4 million. Go a little bit lower, Rob. Not those. Go lower, lower, right there. That one that says 4.3 million. Click on that one.

• 1:09:40Patrick Bet-David?

  That's the most animated you'll see him, okay? Have you ever seen him in a room forcing the business owner to sign? You ever seen him say, "Take the pen and sign"? He goes, "Come here and give me back my pen." Putin forces guy to sign. Forces guy to sign. And even if you see the way he does this, is this it, Rob? Yeah, that's it. That's the top one. Is it the top one? Yeah, and there's audio on it too. Click on it. And go closer to, I think it's like midway,

• 1:10:10Patrick Bet-David?

  where he forces the guy to sign. I think if I'm Putin, yeah, go right there. He says, "Well, do it without you." And the business owner is like, "What are you talking about?"

• 1:10:21Patrick Bet-David?

  He says, "Come here. Sign."

• 1:10:34Patrick Bet-David?

  He's a billionaire. Come here.

• 1:10:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch this.

• 1:10:40Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's agreement.

• 1:10:45Patrick Bet-David?

  Everyone's watching. It might be time. It might be time.

• 1:10:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Give me back my time. Strong arm. So, you can pause it right here. What did he do to that guy right there? But let me tell you. Took over his company? No, he didn't take over the company. There was something he was doing that was not good for the employees and he was taking it. There was some sort of an abuse that was going on where he was kind of putting him in his place. But let me just make my point here.

• 1:11:14Patrick Bet-David?

  When you're a wiring like that,

• 1:11:19Patrick Bet-David?

  you have to make sure the other person understands the level of respects he wants from you if you're gonna face him. And to me,

• 1:11:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Zelensky hasn't shown that he's capable of doing that. I think he trusts Trump because he sees Trump as an equal. I think he sees Zelensky as a way over his head type of guy. Put that, I fully agree with you on that. And I, and I, and I, and I think, I think that's the reason why he doesn't want to go there. If you have the private conversations together, again, guys, I, this is pure. Speculation and your opinion. My opinion, and I'm telling you this, my opinion. I think if there was a call that they had, and by the way, you know what else it is? You can't say this to Trump. So,

• 1:12:08Patrick Bet-David?

  I can't even say that to you that, hey, if he acts like that, I almost think Trump needs to be proactive to tell him, hey, if he acts like that, I'm gonna put him in his place. You don't need to say anything. And he needs to get that reassurance that Zelensky doesn't do a photo op bullshit that he did last time when he was in the White House. And that message would come from me if I'm Trump. And I'm gonna call Zelensky and I'm gonna say, listen, let me tell you what's gonna happen here. I swear to God, if you try to make it into a spectacle, you're not going to like what I'm gonna do to you. But if you're gonna be respectful and you want your people to live and no more dying, I need you to behave accordingly.

• 1:12:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't use this as a photo op the way you did in the White House. It's gonna be very bad for you. I think the president needs to call Zelensky. Then he needs to call Putin to say, I had the call with Zelensky. You don't have to worry about that. Let's come at the table together and let's figure out a way to do this. I think that'll make the president, that'll make President Putin more open to the idea. Again, I'm just purely speculating. I'm not on the inside. I'm not talking to any of these guys. I'm just giving some of my thoughts here.

• 1:13:18Adam Sosnick?

  I actually fully agree with you. I think if you're looking, if you're talking about bosses and you call, you know, Trump is daddy, you're talking like that. Zelensky is the weird sort of coked out stepson and and you're looking at Putin, who's an absolute boss. And I get that he's not our ally at all. I want to be that very clear about that to all the Putin fanatics out there. He's not our ally, but that doesn't mean you can't respect the guy. So, you know, you look at, Rob, I sent you something. You look at the video that we just did of Putin and then you and then you look at this video of Zelensky. You think Putin respects this guy?

• 1:13:50Speaker 07

  I thought that was fake, by the way.

• 1:13:51Adam Sosnick?

  No, this is actually a real video.

• 1:13:53Speaker 07

  Jeez.

• 1:13:53Adam Sosnick?

  You got junk in the trunk right there, Zelensky. So I totally understand why Putin is looking at Zelensky like, this is who you want me to respect and negotiate?

• 1:14:02Patrick Bet-David?

  I don't even think that's what it is.

• 1:14:03Adam Sosnick?

  Well, there's, that's a part of it.

• 1:14:04Patrick Bet-David?

  No.

• 1:14:05Adam Sosnick?

  That video exists.

• 1:14:05Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I don't think that's what it is.

• 1:14:06Adam Sosnick?

  But part of it is this.

• 1:14:07Patrick Bet-David?

  That's what it is.

• 1:14:08Adam Sosnick?

  Part of it is this. It's not negotiating with Zelensky. Zelensky is a pawn, literally. It's negotiating with Trump and the United States. It's negotiating with NATO. It's negotiating with the EU. The entire world, the democratic Western world is against Russia. And Russia's just throwing up their middle finger, saying, we're not coming to the table. So, you know, they're gonna basically have little bro Zelensky show up. And I fully agree with you, what you're saying, PBD, is that this better not be a photo op situation. If I leave Moscow and show up, it's to get stuff done, not for some photo op situation, right?

• 1:14:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, I don't know. I mean, Tom, did you have any thoughts on this or not, Riddick?

• 1:14:46Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, I mean, look, Zelensky is just Zelensky. And that's not what Putin is all about. Putin is all about, you kept moving NATO toward me, and I told you I didn't want that. And you pushed and you pushed and you pushed. And the neo cons among you pushed, says, if you want to stop this thing. Crimea is mine, the Russian speaking area of occupation, dorm bus and other things, those are Russians and we're redrawing it and that everyone says, no, you can't do that and then we're going to stay at war because the neo cons want to stay at war with Russia. Of course.

• 1:15:29Tom Ellsworth?

  They want to keep pushing it, they want the war, war is profitable and there's other things going on with, you know, on the corruption scoreboard, Ukraine was listed five years ago as the most corrupt country in Europe. Weird. In terms of everything from trade deals to industry kickbacks.

• 1:15:50Adam Sosnick?

  Ukraine is.

• 1:15:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:52Adam Sosnick?

  Behind one other country though, Russia.

• 1:15:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep.

• 1:15:55Adam Sosnick?

  Russia number one corrupt, Ukraine number two.

• 1:15:58Tom Ellsworth?

  I like.

• 1:15:59Adam Sosnick?

  Good point.

• 1:16:00Tom Ellsworth?

  Correct and so now you've got the two most corrupt guys going together and Putin, Putin calls this off, but he gets Crimea, Crimea, he gets the Russian speaking area occupation and Ukraine doesn't go to NATO and if that happens, this is over tomorrow. Is that the right answer? I don't know, but if that happens tomorrow, then you, you have this and Zelensky, I just don't think, when they have peace, what happens to Zelensky the next election?

• 1:16:29Adam Sosnick?

  He's gone.

• 1:16:30Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh yeah. So this is his, this is his career move. He, Zelensky needs the war to keep relevant and he doesn't care how many people in his own country are dying. Yeah. And he would rather, and he would rather have peace talks in Colombia, right? So there's things we understand.

• 1:16:46Adam Sosnick?

  So you think there's a part of Zelensky that actually doesn't want to stop the war and just wants to stay in power?

• 1:16:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Absolutely. And he's got alignment with the military industrial complex of the West who, who love it that their own governments print money.

• 1:16:59Adam Sosnick?

  If that is his state of mind, then that is the, the worst thing that I've ever heard. And I'm not denying it, I'm not agreeing with it, I'm just saying, if he actually wants to keep the war going.

• 1:17:08Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:17:08Adam Sosnick?

  So he can stay in power, that is the definition of a piece of shit.

• 1:17:11Speaker 07

  But, Adam, exactly, but here's the thing, Adam.

• 1:17:14Adam Sosnick?

  I'm saying if.

• 1:17:15Speaker 07

  Looking for the past four years, what they did, bro, he got, they did a montage of him at the Oscars and they made this guy so big and so popular. Because of the money laundering situation that's happening over there, you don't think that he wants a Democrat, by the way, you know he's hanging in there? Cause he wants the next president of this country to be a Democrat, because when's the last time? He came here and begged for money and we gave him a dollar, we're not giving him shit.

• 1:17:37Adam Sosnick?

  Well, we just did the mineral deal with Trump.

• 1:17:38Speaker 07

  No, it's a mineral, it's a mineral deal, but, hold on, we just gave them 250 billion dollars, what did we get in return?

• 1:17:45Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I.

• 1:17:45Speaker 07

  You know what I mean?

• 1:17:46Patrick Bet-David?

  I, I, I think, I think, listen, when, when you meet with a killer, and I don't mean literally like killer.

• 1:17:54Speaker 07

  Like Tom.

• 1:17:55Patrick Bet-David?

  No, when you meet with a killer in business, and killers sit down and, I'll never forget. I, I met with another guy in business and insurance, that it was full on war. And Adam, you even knew about this at the time, if you remember, we're at the Boca Raton one time where some of the incidents were taking place.

• 1:18:14Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 1:18:14Patrick Bet-David?

  Uh, uh, that Bob had to get involved and Tom clearly remembers about this. I remember our first meeting.

• 1:18:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Where we met, it was.

• 1:18:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Respect, respect, he says, listen man, let me tell you how I am, I'm the type of guy that if we got a problem, let's go hash it out together in the back. I said, perfect, I'm like that as well, what do you want to do? Do you know today how close we are? Do you know if he calls me and we speak, straight up on the same page? He's not a game guy, now another guy in business back in the days, who was such a manipulative deceptive game guy? He called, the last 50 phone calls he's called me, I have no interest to talk to him, you know why? Cause he's full of shit, is what he is. So in this instance, if somebody was to broker a deal for us to meet.

• 1:19:02Patrick Bet-David?

  And I'm supposed to have that guy be there? I don't believe him. He's a liar. He's a manipulator. He's deceptive. Great speaker, very talented, but he's a very deceptive manipulator. Nothing that ever came out of his mouth, he ever kept his word. The other guy who's a bigger boss, whatever came out of his mouth, he kept his word. So if it's like, I'm gonna kill you, I believe you. Versus the other guy says, "Oh, man, if I had my way of investing $10 million with you, you know I would have." He's so full of shit. I don't believe any flattery that came from this guy. I take this other guy for... So, so to me, in this case, Zelensky is not a guy that he believes he will keep his word for anything. And I think he believes Trump.

• 1:19:45Patrick Bet-David?

  So I think this is a real deal that Trump and Putin need to work out, and I think they will. Because both of them are tough guys, they're gonna figure it out. But, uh, um, after the minerals deal being signed, Trump probably also made a promise to Zelensky that we don't know about, that protects Zelensky. I don't know what that is, that he thinks he's gonna get for them. And then Putin may be like, "Why are you making a promise to him before talking to me?" And that may be a problem because that one thing that Trump may be asking for Putin to discount for Zelensky, Putin's like, "Why are you negotiating on my behalf with Zelensky?" So I, again, I don't know. I don't know what happened there.

• 1:20:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Sometimes, uh, power players don't like it when another power player negotiates on their behalf without them confirming it. I never said yes to that. Why'd you do that? I would never agree to that. Well, da-da-da-da-da, so, hey, let's do it for the people. I don't know. This is very complex, uh, uh, you know, that I think, uh, 90% of this is the conversations that are being behind closed doors that nobody in the world knows about, except the people that are there involved in politics. And maybe we'll never even find out. All right, let's go to the next story. Let's go to the next story. Let's go to the next story. So let's talk market. Inflation eased more than expected in April, slowing to the lowest level since 2021. And obviously, this is the kind of stuff that the market's not going to be reporting on

• 1:21:10Patrick Bet-David?

  too much because why would they want to report on stuff like this? The consumer price index CPI increased the seasonally adjusted point to in April with the year-over-year inflation rate rising 2.3%, lowest since February of 2021. Core CPI also rose point two as reported by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Peter Earl, director of economics at the American Institute of Economic Research, said the April CPI report suggests that inflationary pressures in the U.S. economy remain moderate and relatively well-maintained. You know what this is leading to if it goes like this? Peter also said headline inflation rose by 0.2% on the month, slight pickup from March, but still indicative of disinflationary trend compared to the high inflation period of 2021 to 2022.

• 1:21:52Patrick Bet-David?

  The fact that nearly 40% of core components posted monthly decline points to underlying softness in the consumer pricing power with shelter costs driving more core inflation, while leisure services like airfare and hotel lodging saw price declines. Obviously, if this continues, Tom, you know what happens next. Go ahead and tell us, Tom.

• 1:22:12Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, Powell just told us a week ago that, hey, interest rates weren't going to come down. I'm going to stay right where I am, and I think the economy is OK. So there's nothing in the economy like crazy unemployment or, you know, crazy inflation that would lead him to say, wow, let me just drop these prices down. Not happening. And what's interesting is this guy said pressures in the U.S. remain moderate and well-contained. Boy, that's not kind of what you hear from the mainstream media. Tariffs are going to kill you. Tariffs are going to do this. Well, wow, you know, things are there. Now, the tariffs are in place, and we have to get, and I'll speak first and foremost

• 1:22:52Tom Ellsworth?

  on this, Pat, China, jobs for America, less reliant on China, long-term progress. That's what we need. We don't just need to have all the tariff talk, and then the market gets back to normal, and then we're all happy. The long-term thing is jobs and manufacturing in America and lower our reliance on China. Don't take our eye off the ball, then there still may be some pain to come. But right now, the inflation is under control. And by the way, going into the summer, airfare and hotels coming down. Airfare is being helped, Vinnie, by fuel. So if it costs, if oil is down, then fuel's down. And then the airline can give you a little bit better deal on your trip to wherever you want to go.

• 1:23:33Tom Ellsworth?

  You know, hop on Southwest and go to someplace and enjoy yourself. And so that's what's going on right now. And it also means that interest rates are probably not going to go down. So the housing market on the buyer's side is probably not going to get any help on interest rates soon. But it's good news that the rest of the economy, that inflation came in lower than they thought. And by the way, lowest since 2021. Weird. When a stumbling, and I say this accurately, a stumbling, often incoherent, allegedly not in the seat. And, you know, several marbles short of a bag was, you know, causing inflation to go bonkers.

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• 1:24:59Adam Sosnick?

  Well, what a difference two weeks makes because at the 100 day mark, we all kind of graded Trump. And collectively, we gave him sort of a C, C minus, what have you.

• 1:25:10Speaker 07

  B plus.

• 1:25:11Adam Sosnick?

  Vinny's already given him A, A plus, plus, plus.

• 1:25:13Speaker 07

  I gave, I knew what was coming. I said, let him cook.

• 1:25:15Adam Sosnick?

  However, two weeks later, Trump has had an amazing week and the, the, the numbers are in that favor. In two weeks, I've turned it from a C minus to a B plus. You look at what's going on here, you know, people, it's the Trump slump, the economy's falling apart. We've been saying forever, play the long game. How long is this going to take? Don't look now. It's now the Trump bump. So, you know, is it tariffs? Is it tactics? Is it bulls? Is it bears? Is it red? Is it green? Are the markets up or are they down? Well, don't look now. And Tom highlighted this as well. The market is now officially up since Trump took office. The S and P 500 wipes out 2025's losses as stocks extend rally.

• 1:25:55Adam Sosnick?

  Now it's not up big, but is no longer in negative territory for, since Trump has taken office. So you couple that with the fact that inflation and CPI is actually improving. The best number since 2021, inflation, unemployment, the rates are pretty stabilized. Things are looking great in Trump world. And now the next move is going to be on Jerome Powell to see if he actually takes Trump's advice and cuts the rate. But Trump's grade has just gotten way better in two weeks.

• 1:26:27Speaker 07

  And also back grocery prices, biggest decline five years just happened under Trump. But remember that.

• 1:26:34Patrick Bet-David?

  By the way, let me, let me put it to you this way. For me, you know, my prediction is brace for impact, folks. I believe 2026 will be one of the top three, maybe top five greatest years we've had in the history of America since 1776. Let me say one more time. I believe 2026 will be a magical year. Let me explain to you why.

• 1:27:02Patrick Bet-David?

  First, it's gonna be our 250 year anniversary, okay? Celebration. Happy birthday, America. That's unbelievable. Beautiful that we, as a democracy, made it this far, this long. It's not easy to do, because most people, when you handle them in democracy, what do they do? The people destroyed within. And many times, people have made an effort for that to happen. Thank God, we have a person right now, a leader right now, that's going around fighting the fight, and leading the way, and setting the record straight, as America is the greatest country in the world, where there's respect, and there's fear, and there's likability, and the desire to wanna do business with them. On top of that, you know what else happens in 2026? The World Cup is coming here. The world is going to be watching America. Guys, next, I just got the chills.

• 1:27:46Patrick Bet-David?

  Next year is going to be the most magical year we've ever had in our lives in America. If you're living in America, whatever you're doing, play offense, it's gonna be very special next year. This year's gonna be still disruptive. It's still gonna be unpredictable. These deals still gotta get done. Some of the stuff is still unpredictable. But next year, the way he's gonna do with the World Cup in US, can you imagine all the world leaders he'll bring here? All the MBSs come here, all the big, all the people that are the presidents, prime ministers, everybody's gonna come here, you're gonna see picture, props, events, parties,

• 1:28:26Patrick Bet-David?

  you're gonna see stuff like we've never, ever seen before, in 250 year anniversary. You know what happened in Iran? The 2,500 year anniversary was also spectacle when it happened. And he spent a lot of money on that event. When it was a 2,500 year anniversary, I think President Trump's gonna probably put a big ceremony, and invite 150 world leaders, dignitaries, one by one by one. They're gonna come here to a party, to an event by the White House, he's gonna host it somewhere. And you're going to see IPOs next year will be on fire. You're gonna see economy on fire, again, folks.

• 1:29:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Brian Callen was here a couple of months ago. He says, "How many of your predictions come true?" He says, "51%." He says, "That's all you need."

• 1:29:17Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm like, "Listen, what do you want me to do?" But I'm convinced, next year, it's going to be special. Brace for impact. When it happen next year, I think it's gonna be magical.

• 1:29:30Adam Sosnick?

  I fully agree with you, PBD. By the way, just in terms of dates, July 4th is our 250th birthday. Trump also turns 80 right before that. And then, when is the World Cup? The exact same time, in late June, early July. All boom, boom, boom, boom, going on.

• 1:29:49Patrick Bet-David?

  Special 2026. Folks, get ready. It's gonna be magical. All right, next story I want to go to. I was gonna go to this story, but I don't think it's appropriate to go now. I'm gonna go to the story of that later, and you'll see why I skipped it for a quick minute. But we will come back to it. Stephen A. Smith is not happy with Jasmine Crockett for opposing Trump on everything. Rob, if you got this clip to play. Here is Stephen A. Smith. He's got one that's about criticizing Chuck, but this one is specifically Jasmine Crockett. Go for it.

• 1:30:23Speaker 16

  I've listened to Jasmine Crockett. Both AOC and Jasmine Crockett are welcome on this show. I respect the hell out of both of them. I'm not here to disrespect anybody. I'm only talking about what strategy is going to work. When I hear Jasmine Crockett talking about how I'm just against all things and everything Trump, is that legislating? Isn't it an obligation that you have to come up with something? If the other party is in office, you have to go from thinking that you're going to get what you want if your party was in the White House. And instead, transitioning to, "How can I work with the other party to get some of what I want?

• 1:31:06Speaker 16

  Because I know I'm not gonna get most of what I want, because they won the election."

• 1:31:12Patrick Bet-David?

  Actually, very, yeah, I mean, even that smaller than 47 seconds. He's making a very, very good point about Jasmine Crockett. Vinny, what are your thoughts on this?

• 1:31:21Speaker 07

  I mean, listen, I like Stephen A. I like the sports talk and, you know, he's a great freaking, he's the best in the game.

• 1:31:28Patrick Bet-David?

  You're not with it, you're not.

• 1:31:29Speaker 07

  I'm not, I'm not buying.

• 1:31:30Patrick Bet-David?

  Just because he didn't vote for Trump and support him?

• 1:31:32Speaker 07

  Not vote, no. It's the flip-flop of every single person.

• 1:31:36Patrick Bet-David?

  You're calling Stephen A. the flip-flopper?

• 1:31:37Speaker 07

  Just a couple of months ago when they were sitting there.

• 1:31:39Adam Sosnick?

  You called LeBron a flopper and Stephen A. a flip-flopper?

• 1:31:42Speaker 07

  Let's just be, let's be.

• 1:31:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Don't, don't get it twisted. LeBron is the greatest flopper of all time.

• 1:31:47Speaker 07

  Actor. Oh, he does it on the flame. I'm just saying.

• 1:31:50Adam Sosnick?

  Have a little respect. He won an Oscar, bro.

• 1:31:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Can he finish? Go ahead.

• 1:31:54Adam Sosnick?

  Oh, now we know how it feels.

• 1:31:55Speaker 07

  Every single one, are you done? Every single one of these guys that were on the left, every guy's go, now from the Chanks to the Stephen A's, to the Chris Cuomo's, to all these people, I'm not buying it at all, okay? And you say this all the time, it's the market. What does the market want? They're shifting because of the market. I don't, listen, with all due respect, I'm not buying none of that shit from none of them, okay? Because they still, they were still on Kamala, they were still on Biden, they're still on that anti-American bullshit sentiment. Because if you want to put in people like Biden and you want to put in people like Kam, if you voted for Kamala Harris, what the hell do you even stand on? What was your thing? Just not Trump. So it just shifted.

• 1:32:40Speaker 07

  All that Trump-hating, he's the worst, he's Hitler, I'm not saying Stephen said this, but all of them, all of them were anti-Trump. We've been saying Trump is this guy since when? Since 2016, we've had this guy's back. And it's not just blind loyalty, Tom. It wasn't that, it was the proof in the pudding. He came in with Russia collusion, Obama and all these guys freaking spying on him, he had all this shit, he had COVID, he had all this stuff, Russian asset, all that bullshit Putin talk, all right? And then now he's back, everybody voted for him and they're all changing their tune because they have to. Because what is, what is he supposed to do, Tom? Sit there and be like this? Nah, I think Kamala, you know, would have done a good job. And Jasmine Crockett and all these people, once they're in office, guys, what are they gonna do?

• 1:33:24Speaker 07

  What is, and I keep going back to this, what's gonna happen to the border, Tom? You put AOC in charge, you put Jasmine Crockett in charge, you put any of these Democrats in charge, what are they gonna do? That's my number one thing.

• 1:33:35Patrick Bet-David?

  Can I offer a perspective? What Stephen A. is saying, Stephen A. is saying, that's why. They're not the ones that should be in office because they're extreme. That's what Stephen A. is saying. Stephen A. is saying if you're showing that everything Trump does is wrong, at least Stephen A. will go out there to, and last year, he will criticize the left and he'll criticize the right, but he still voted for the left and right after voting for it comes out and says, hey, you know.

• 1:34:03Speaker 07

  So he didn't see, but here's what I think, Pat, he didn't see any of this? He didn't, just because of this win? Now all of a sudden he sees the light?

• 1:34:11Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm fully with you because there's a clip.

• 1:34:13Speaker 07

  Come on.

• 1:34:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Listen, I, I understand what you're saying.

• 1:34:15Speaker 07

  I'm just not buying it.

• 1:34:16Patrick Bet-David?

  I get everything what you're saying. I'm with you. There is a clip, Rob, that if you can find it, it's such a great clip. It's a clip of Scott Jennings is talking to this guy and the guy says, well, I was never, I'm a Democrat and I wasn't for the border. So did you vote for Kamala Harris? If you did, you were for the border because we were not for the border. So don't tell me you're not for the border, right? So I get what you're saying. However, if Jenk is all of a sudden getting a little bit more reasonable, is that a bad thing?

• 1:34:48Speaker 07

  No.

• 1:34:49Patrick Bet-David?

  If Stephen A. is getting a little bit more reasonable and seeing the BS, is that a bad thing? If they're going that direction, is that a bad thing? I don't know.

• 1:34:56Speaker 07

  I, I, I don't, I don't, I, hold on, and I'll come to you. I don't think it's a bad thing, guys. I don't think it's a bad thing, but it's like, let's be realistic. I don't think like the, the talk of presidency, I don't think Stephen A. has a chance with the Democratic national, that, that, that monster, that beast. The real people are going to be the AOCs, the Bernie Sanders, those type of, the JB Pritzkers, who do not, guys, they are snakes in the grass. I don't want to give them, Pat, any, the Gavin Newsom's.

• 1:35:24Patrick Bet-David?

  You could say that about them. Do you feel the same way about Stephen A.?

• 1:35:28Speaker 07

  No, no, I, I think, no, I think Steve, I don't think he has a chance. I don't think he has a chance.

• 1:35:32Patrick Bet-David?

  He's shown 7% by the way, uh, higher than a lot of other guys.

• 1:35:35Speaker 07

  But do you think that the real base, the real Democratic base is going to let that disrupt her?

• 1:35:40Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I don't think they're going to. But also at the same time, you know, if we go back to 2015, when Ann Coulter was asked by Bill Maher today, if you had to vote for, who do you think is going to be winning? And he said Trump and everybody started laughing. All I'm saying is, I'm not saying to you, you know, if Trump goes the way he's going right now, it's very hard for the country to flip to Democrat. Very, very hard. Like, they would have to choose a candidate to screw up so royally that they can't win like a JD Vance or something. That person would screw it up. But I, if America's doing so well, I don't think they're going the other side. Tom, thoughts?

• 1:36:15Tom Ellsworth?

  So, I agree with you, and there's a lot of Democrat politicians, and I, I said it. I said it last Tuesday, and I said it one, one week ago, not Thursday, but Tuesday prior. I said, they are running to the center

• 1:36:30Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:36:31Tom Ellsworth?

  to portray themselves as

• 1:36:34Speaker 07

  I remember.

• 1:36:34Tom Ellsworth?

  as edible

• 1:36:35Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:36:36Tom Ellsworth?

  to a hungry voter. Right? So, I don't, but there's two people in there that I think I'm hearing emotion in their voice, and I'm hearing them say this, "You're doing it wrong." And that's what I'm hearing. And you know who I hear that from? I hear that from Stephen A. and I hear it from James Carville. Those are the two. Says, "Is that the way you're gonna say it? Is that the way you're gonna do? Then just get out of the gosh darn country. Go." So, now, Carville and Stephen A., I, you know, probably don't have a ton in common, but they're both saying the same thing in a slightly different way. They're saying, "You're doing it wrong, and this isn't gonna do." And Stephen A. is encouraging them to try and work with them, work to the

• 1:37:17Tom Ellsworth?

  middle, and, and get what you want. Now, does that mean underneath that Stephen A.'s about to become MAGA? No. But I think both him and Carville are out there just screaming, "Hey, you guys, you, you, you're doing it wrong." And meanwhile, I do not trust those other ones, because I think they will come in with the executive order pen, and they will undo a lot of things, and not realize that they're gonna cause dominoes to fall back in the wrong direction

• 1:37:40Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 1:37:41Tom Ellsworth?

  on themselves and America.

• 1:37:42Speaker 07

  Yeah. But, but, and, and, Tom, I agree with you 100%, but my, my thing is, all these guys, the Carvilles, everything, it's, our messaging is wrong. We lost, we lost the base, but the policies, when you strip all that down, when you strip all this, like, showboating now, it's like, "Oh, we were wrong." Strip it down to what the Democratic Party has actually become.

• 1:38:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Policies.

• 1:38:01Speaker 07

  Policies, that, that's who they are. They're gonna be open borders, they're gonna be transgender, they're gonna be all that shit.

• 1:38:05Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch this clip.

• 1:38:06Speaker 07

  I don't want it.

• 1:38:06Patrick Bet-David?

  Watch this clip. Go for it.

• 1:38:08Speaker 17

  Previous administration had priorities about who to let in, including, you know, all kinds of folks, so I would argue shouldn't be here. This administration, I guess, is gonna set priorities about who, and who not to let in. But let's just be honest about what those priorities are, right? And by the way, I'm a Democrat here. I did not defend the Biden administration on immigration. But you voted for him. That doesn't mean that I defended immigration. For a continuation of it in 2024, did you not? I did not vote for his policies on immigration. But you voted. Did you? Yeah, but you voted. You voted to extend the immigration policies of the last administration. No, no, no, I did not vote for that. The point is, you're in a party that opened the borders and I'm in a party that closed the borders. And I think the American people prefer our way. Well, he's closed the borders.

• 1:38:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Crushed it. But here's the point, though. What I'm saying to you is, I think in here, a guy like a Stephen A agrees with Scott Jennings. Now, right? Yeah, but there are Democrats that are Democrats for different reasons. So, for example, if I ask you right now, so there's five Yankees fans. Do you think five Yankees fans are all Yankees fans for the same reasons? No. Why are reasons somebody becomes a fan? Your father was a fan. Your father was a Yankee. I love a player. You love a player. The son of a movie, you're Joe DiMaggio. You watch the movie. I'm from Yonkers. Maybe you bought Mickey Mantle's $10 million card like PBD, I don't know.

• 1:39:34Patrick Bet-David?

  But the point is, the affinity to a sports team is not all the same, right? Okay, why are you a, did you vote Republican? You voted for Trump.

• 1:39:44Speaker 07

  Well, I'm an independent, I vote for Trump 100% twice.

• 1:39:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Why? Give me, in order of policies.

• 1:39:49Speaker 07

  Why?

• 1:39:50Patrick Bet-David?

  Number one.

• 1:39:50Speaker 07

  Policy, border was absolutely first. Border.

• 1:39:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Number one.

• 1:39:54Speaker 07

  Putting America first, loving the country, stepping up to everybody in the world with our trade, with China.

• 1:40:00Patrick Bet-David?

  Number one is what? Number one is border, what's two?

• 1:40:02Speaker 07

  Number one is border, two is holding China accountable.

• 1:40:05Patrick Bet-David?

  What's three?

• 1:40:08Speaker 07

  Those are the top two for me.

• 1:40:09Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, Tom, what's your top three?

• 1:40:10Tom Ellsworth?

  My top three was, the first two are right related together. Close the border to stabilize America. Second, America first, not America alone, but America first. And third, I was in favor of, you know, resetting international trade.

• 1:40:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so, Adam, let's see, is yours gonna be identical to them? Because they're on the same thing.

• 1:40:32Adam Sosnick?

  No, mine is totally different. Number one, he wasn't Kamala and he's an actual man, he's a leader. Number two was the border. Number three was peace through strength. I thought that whether it was Joe Biden or Kamala, they were very weak.

• 1:40:43Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, what's yours?

• 1:40:45Speaker 10

  Border, economy.

• 1:40:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Safety. Yeah, I would put woke agenda with the kids was one of my main ones. For sure. I'm sick and tired of the manipulation of what they were doing with girls and all this other stuff. And you know, the fact that for us to have somebody that I'm supporting to negotiate on my behalf. All day long, a hundred out of a hundred times, I want him negotiating on my behalf. I trust him to negotiate on my behalf than anybody else that's out there right now as a candidate, right? Okay, what's the point? You think Stephen A. Smith is a Democrat for the same reason that Pritzker is a Democrat? No. You think Stephen A. Smith is a Democrat, same reason why Jasmine Crockett is a Democrat? You think Stephen A. Smith is a Democrat because you know, AOC is a Democrat? I saw a post the other day. It said, in 1960s, this was a Democrat.

• 1:41:32Patrick Bet-David?

  It's a picture of John F. Kennedy. Yep. Today, this would be a conservative. Then, it says, today, it was a picture of AOC. This is a liberal. But in 1960s, this would be considered a communist. Yep. So just think about like some of the things that they're talking about and how much things have changed. So to him, you know, he may, he may be where he's at as an African American. To leave a party like that as an African American is gonna be very challenging. And remember, the night is still young. You don't know what's gonna happen with his relationship with Trump. You don't know what's gonna happen with a lot of other things. And there may be a multiple stepping stone. There may be something in 2020 that has a job, then 2032, then 2036.

• 1:42:16Patrick Bet-David?

  This is not like it's a four-year play. Stephen A. Smith's political career may be a 12-year plan, not a four-year plan. If you understand what I'm saying. I agree, no. So that, that is the part where we don't yet know. Did you ever think that RFK was gonna join Trump's camp? No. Did you ever think Tulsi is gonna flip after her going up against Hillary Clinton? Did you ever think some of the stuff that happened was gonna happen? There was so many weird things that happened the last 18 months that took place. Yes. Night is still young and for me, I, I, I can differentiate and isolate everybody else. Where you sit there and you have to say, I was wrong. Yep. Trump is better for America. For a person to be able to say that.

• 1:43:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Half the people there, there's a, there's a scene one time where Trump's in court. And this guy in court, you ever seen this court like from 30 years ago? The one where the guy says, "Well, you said this. That's not right. That's not right. Correct yourself. I never said this. I never said this. I never said this." Correct it, you correct the statement. I want to see him apologize. And do you see when the man apologizes, what Trump does within half a second? You know what Trump's reaction is? Rob, can you please find this clip? Have you guys ever seen this or no? I haven't seen it. Trump demands, you've never seen it. You have to see it. It wasn't a deposition, right? He's in front of, uh... Trump demands apology.

• 1:43:40Patrick Bet-David?

  In court, Robert. You probably don't have access, bro. It is so, it's old. This is an old footage, Rob. I don't know if you found it or not. I'm still looking. Okay, anyway, so you know, he goes there.

• 1:43:51Adam Sosnick?

  Set the table, PB. What was going on?

• 1:43:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Huh?

• 1:43:54Adam Sosnick?

  Set the table. What was going on? He was in court?

• 1:43:56Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I mean, I just typed in, uh, "Trump demands apology in court, uh, uh, old footage," and I can't find it. But if you see it, if you see it, you'll see the way he handled himself.

• 1:44:06Adam Sosnick?

  I saw it. It was awesome.

• 1:44:07Patrick Bet-David?

  What did he say to the guy when he apologized? He says, "Correct yourself. That's not true. I never said that. I never said that. I, I demand an apology." And then he says, "Well, you, you, you didn't say that." But this, "I demand an apology." And then the person finally says, "I apologize." Within, oh, I found it. Here you go. I found it.

• 1:44:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, this is the one.

• 1:44:28Patrick Bet-David?

  Rob, I'm gonna send it to you if you want to play this clip, but there's, there's a, there's a point I'm making with this. There's a point I'm making with this, Rob, if you want to play this. This is in a 2000 hearing that took place. About like real estate and stuff?

• 1:44:42Patrick Bet-David?

  Standing against, against a senator, demanding an apology. Watch this. Go for it.

• 1:44:48Speaker 05

  You have a long way to go, and for whatever reason, you have a closed mind. I don't know why. Perhaps you could tell me.

• 1:44:57Speaker 18

  ...against evidence and does not substantiate. I have a closed mind against statements that are made about other people in general.

• 1:45:05Speaker 05

  You're gonna be very embarrassed in two years, sir.

• 1:45:06Speaker 18

  You go on a radio show and you say, "Now some drunken Indians want to come down here and open a restaurant."

• 1:45:11Speaker 05

  I didn't say that, sir. Quote it. I didn't say that. Who said that? Who said that? I'd like an apology right now because I didn't say that.

• 1:45:22Speaker 18

  Excuse me, Mr. Imus. Excuse me, Mr. Imus.

• 1:45:24Speaker 05

  Could I please have an apology?

• 1:45:26Speaker 18

  You can have an apology.

• 1:45:27Speaker 05

  Thank you, sir.

• 1:45:27Patrick Bet-David?

  Whoa, but watch what happened right there. What happened? What's the moral of the story, Bobby? Can play that, stop us on.

• 1:45:32Speaker 07

  Apologize and move on.

• 1:45:33Patrick Bet-David?

  That's it?

• 1:45:34Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:45:35Patrick Bet-David?

  How long did it take?

• 1:45:36Speaker 07

  Half a second.

• 1:45:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Maybe. And he called him sir. Thank you, sir. Maybe.

• 1:45:39Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:45:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Thank you, sir, moved on. So I think we need to go into that.

• 1:45:42Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 1:45:43Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, thank you, move on, boom. Instead of, "No, but da-da-da-da-da." We're not gonna make progress there. You know, the part is like even right now. Watch, watch how you would feel. Watch this. Fauci gets up.

• 1:45:58Patrick Bet-David?

  And he does a video. And he says, "I have something to say. I want to apologize for the way we handled certain things with COVID. The buck stops with me. I take full responsibility. There are many things I would have done differently. It breaks my heart that many parents weren't able to go and see their grandparents who were dying because of hospitals and the policies that we have. At this phase of my life, this is something I've struggled with. I want to apologize. I did my best to try to serve the country that I love the most that gave me this opportunity. I wanted to make the Fauci family proud. I wanted to make my father proud. And any leader, every one of us makes a lot of mistakes. This was one of the ones that I make. And I hope you receive my apology, even though I know many of you won't." How would you feel if he said that?

• 1:46:42Speaker 07

  I would feel fantastic. And then right after, I want to put his ass in jail for the rest of his life. Plain and simple. I want accountability. I would accept the apology.

• 1:46:51Patrick Bet-David?

  The accountability for sure.

• 1:46:53Speaker 07

  Oh, I would, I would respect the honesty.

• 1:46:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me, let me ask you another question. You ever read Bush's book?

• 1:46:57Speaker 07

  No.

• 1:46:58Patrick Bet-David?

  George Bush. You ever read Bush's book? George Bush wrote a book. And in the book, he explains the mistakes he made as a president. That's the one right there. What is decision point? He explains the mistakes he made. Now, everybody that writes their books, you go and you're reading it, well, you know, what he did here and what he did there. It's actually a pretty good book when I read it, okay? With some of the mistakes that he made. You know, the Fauci part is massive.

• 1:47:26Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:47:26Patrick Bet-David?

  However, I also do think like the way Trump, Trump just met with a former Al Qaeda guy.

• 1:47:33Speaker 07

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:47:36Patrick Bet-David?

  You think that guy belongs in jail?

• 1:47:38Speaker 07

  Of course. What do you mean?

• 1:47:38Patrick Bet-David?

  How come you didn't put him in jail? So is Trump a bad leader?

• 1:47:41Speaker 07

  No, I don't think he's a bad leader, but I mean, the guy's in charge of the frigging country.

• 1:47:44Patrick Bet-David?

  No, no, I understand that. All I'm saying to you is, should he have removed the sanctions? That's a form of jail.

• 1:47:50Speaker 07

  Who?

• 1:47:51Patrick Bet-David?

  Should Trump have removed the economic sanctions on Syria? See, that's the part, Vinny, that the part about forgive and forget. Right? You can forgive, you don't ever forget.

• 1:48:05Speaker 07

  Of course.

• 1:48:06Patrick Bet-David?

  If we go through this phase of holding, Trump used to be a Democrat at one point. Do we want to go through all the stuff he did in the past? Do we want to hold him accountable for everything with the stuff that came out? I think that's going to constantly, now, accountability, Fauci's on my top list. When I think of guys that I want to held accountable. Till today, I want to know what happened with the Epstein list. I want to know what happened with 9/11. I want to know, you know, we've never done a presidential hearing for 9/11? We've never had a presidential hearing.

• 1:48:32Speaker 07

  Unbelievable.

• 1:48:33Patrick Bet-David?

  And do you know the hearing that they did? They got rid of the two and a half terabytes of footage that they had the other day? We had the whistleblower here telling us all these different stories. Who was on the payroll, what they knew about, all these weird things. We spent $30 million in the late 90s investigating Monica Lewinsky. But we only spend, and by the way, how many people died under Monica Lewinsky? This many people. Matter of fact, someone's health even got better under Monica Lewinsky, right? But under Monica Lewinsky, that's what happens to Monica Lewinsky Clinton. We spent $30 million to investigate that. Few years later, 9/11 happens. You know how much they spent investigating that? Legal, $15 million. Monica Lewinsky, $30 million. 9/11, $15 million.

• 1:49:14Speaker 07

  Wow.

• 1:49:15Patrick Bet-David?

  2,977 people, I believe, died.

• 1:49:19Patrick Bet-David?

  On 9/11, Pearl Harbor, you know how many people died? 24 or 3. 9/11 was the worst single event in the history of America. We only spent 15 million dollars to investigate it? Yeah, I kinda wanna know more on what happened. Especially today, right? To see who was really behind it. But some of this stuff is for me to know.

• 1:49:38Patrick Bet-David?

  That's all I wanna know. I wanna know what happened and I wanna move on. All I'm saying is, just because somebody is giving certain policies, it doesn't mean they're in the same box and category as everybody else. If Stephen A. goes through an evolution of this process and all of a sudden in the next 24 months, he comes down and he says, "Look, I see myself as a center-right. There's many policies that I'm on the social side, but a lot of policies for me lean more towards the conservative side. So I had to choose. I would've probably run as an independent, but I know as an independent, you don't stand a chance. I'm running as a Republican." Then what do you do?

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• 1:50:53Speaker 07

  That's Stephen A. Smith?

• 1:50:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:55Speaker 07

  I mean, if he's gonna run on that policy? Good. I think it's a good thing.

• 1:50:59Patrick Bet-David?

  You give him a fair chance?

• 1:51:00Speaker 07

  I'd give him a fair shot.

• 1:51:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, so what I'm saying is, be patient.

• 1:51:03Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:51:03Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah. So we don't know what's gonna happen. Be patient. The conversion process requires the community to be patient and willing to allow others to see. Some see later. We have relatives that gave their life to Christ on their deathbed. And we have people that gave their life to Christ. Tico one day comes up to me and says, "I wanna get baptized on the beach."

• 1:51:27Patrick Bet-David?

  I said, "You do?" Yeah. Dylan says, "I want to get baptized."

• 1:51:30Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Who walked up with him?

• 1:51:32Adam Sosnick?

  Me.

• 1:51:32Patrick Bet-David?

  That's right. Well, who did he see get baptized?

• 1:51:34Adam Sosnick?

  Me.

• 1:51:35Patrick Bet-David?

  And then afterwards, he got inspired.

• 1:51:37Adam Sosnick?

  Hmm.

• 1:51:37Patrick Bet-David?

  And he said, "I want to do it on my own." I said, "Whenever you're ready." Some di- how old was he when he did that? How, how, when did you do it?

• 1:51:42Adam Sosnick?

  Two years ago?

• 1:51:43Patrick Bet-David?

  He was nine years old when he did it. But he did it.

• 1:51:46Adam Sosnick?

  Yep.

• 1:51:46Patrick Bet-David?

  But some dude had 82 on their deathbed.

• 1:51:48Adam Sosnick?

  Hmm.

• 1:51:48Patrick Bet-David?

  Who's right? Who's wrong?

• 1:51:51Adam Sosnick?

  No, no one's wrong.

• 1:51:52Patrick Bet-David?

  There's, it's, it's, be patient.

• 1:51:54Adam Sosnick?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:51:55Patrick Bet-David?

  Be patient. That's the part where I think I am so impressed with the way he's leading.

• 1:52:03Patrick Bet-David?

  I mean, it is so impressive with the way he's leading.

• 1:52:07Patrick Bet-David?

  I'm specifically talking about Trump. It's so impressive, the way he's leading.

• 1:52:13Patrick Bet-David?

  Where on one end, he can chew out somebody saying, "You're ABC fake news." On one end, he can say Reuters, these guys, these guys, you can't be in the plane. Or because what you're doing is BS. On the other end, he can go and sit down with Saudi, Qatar, and these leaders and try to find a way to bring peace in the Middle East. You think, you really think the guys on the military side, and by the way, the way he did it, it's so interesting, the way he did it. So he goes, brings peace, and then signs a 143 billion dollar, what deal? Military deal.

• 1:52:45Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:52:46Patrick Bet-David?

  So he does it in a way that the military guys are making money and there is no war.

• 1:52:53Patrick Bet-David?

  Did you understand the way he's doing it? So, because he also doesn't want these bullshit lobbyists from the military side to come out and be upset about it. "Hey, y'all come out, let's do peace, but you gotta buy this much and you gotta buy 500 billion dollars of other stuff." It's very interesting how he's getting the team of rivals to all want to do business together. This is a clinic that everybody has to watch, the way he's doing his second term than the first term. It's a clinic, the way he's doing it. Anyways, let's get to the, Adam, were you gonna say something?

• 1:53:20Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, I just want to weigh in on, on, essentially the Stephen A. thing and how, how Vinnie was kind of, uh, commenting on that. I think the speech that you gave to Vinnie was, that was very powerful because it's about, uh, the ability to forgive and, uh, adjust and evolve. You know, Stephen A. Smith, someone who has not- To not vote for Trump, he is now basically coming over to the other side. He said, you know, you don't preach the converted, you don't preach the choir, you preach to basically independents. And why did Trump win, lose, and then win the election is because basically, politics is a game of addition, not subtraction. He convinced people in the middle, the movable middle, hey, man, listen, come over to my way of thinking.

• 1:54:02Adam Sosnick?

  And you have to give someone like Stephen A. Smith the grace and the respect to say, yeah, maybe you were wrong about who you voted for. But welcome to our team. If you alienize and say, you're an idiot, and you didn't vote the right person, you're never going to win people over. You know, they say you got to check yourself before you wreck yourself. Well, he checked himself. And something that I've learned from PBD is PBD, correct me if I'm wrong, how often do you say, America is very forgiving? They they'll, people will tear you down, but then if you apologize, they'll help build you back up. One of the best messages-

• 1:54:31Patrick Bet-David?

  That's a Christian quality.

• 1:54:32Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah. Uh, one of the best messages I I hear from people is like, man, four years ago, five years ago, I couldn't stand you. But man, thank you for coming around. Thank you for being reasonable. Thank you for have the ability to adapt. What do we say here all the time? Outwork, out improve, out strategize, outlast? Stephen A. Smith is evolving, and you have to give people the ability to evolve over time.

• 1:54:54Patrick Bet-David?

  Interesting. It'll be interesting to see what happens here as he maneuvers. And if he tries to win over the Democratic Party, I think it's going to be very challenging to do so. But uh, we'll see. We'll see what's going to happen there. All right. So, next story. Vinnie is, you're not going to be happy with this next story, but I'm going to have to go to it anyways.

• 1:55:14Adam Sosnick?

  What?

• 1:55:15Patrick Bet-David?

  Assisted dying bill moves forward.

• 1:55:19Patrick Bet-David?

  And not only does this bill move forward, they're allowing people to make recommendations of individuals.

• 1:55:25Adam Sosnick?

  So wait, so if I want somebody to get killed, like if I want somebody dead-

• 1:55:30Patrick Bet-David?

  I would recommend such and such. Considered. All right, so let's go.

• 1:55:34Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, I got a great recommendation for you.

• 1:55:36Patrick Bet-David?

  Medical aid.

• 1:55:36Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, what's that?

• 1:55:37Patrick Bet-David?

  Medical, the Medical Aid and Dying Act passed by Assembly last month awaits a Senate vote with Majority Leader Andrea Stewart-Cousins. I don't think any relations to the market stating, I'm happy that the conversation is starting around death and dying and promising to bring the bill to the floor once her conference secures enough support noting 25 senators currently sponsor the bill, which needs 32 votes to pass aid in dying advocates led by Corinne Carey, senior campaign director for compassion and choices. Really. Observe growing Democratic support with Carey noting Stewart-Cousins is engaged in a way this year that she's never been before, while some Democratic senators would vote for the

• 1:56:21Patrick Bet-David?

  bill if it reaches the floor, but hesitate to sponsor. Tom, what do you think about this assistant assisted dying bill moving forward? And this is story by Politico.

• 1:56:31Tom Ellsworth?

  And this is in New York. Okay, so this is in New York and New York had assistant assisted dying thanks to the mafia for a long time. Way to go, Tom. But, um, yeah, so I'll be here all week. Yeah, no, um, I, I don't like it. And here's what I don't like about it. The assisted dying act. Yeah. Um, basically put something in the hands of the government that maybe someday could be used the wrong way. We live in a time where boomers are living longer. We had a lot of people in social security and we're going to have a lot of economics thrown at the future looks bright, but the future is not without problems to be solved. And some of them are big problems like the number of people that'll be on social security

• 1:57:16Tom Ellsworth?

  and Medicare and what it's going to cost when they're there. And what do you do with them who are destitute that don't have family and then they have Alzheimer's and they're in facilities and the government's paying for that? Well, let me tell you, other countries have run into this and tiny countries in the Benelux region of Europe. It basically just said, well, then at some point in time, you know, we just, you know, we give them the needle, euthanasia, you know, an 85 year old person who's destitute and all like this.

• 1:57:44Speaker 07

  What euthanasia, like, like, young people in Asia?

• 1:57:45Tom Ellsworth?

  No, euthanasia as in...

• 1:57:48Adam Sosnick?

  Why's you got to be worried about the euthanasia?

• 1:57:51Tom Ellsworth?

  Oh, yeah, here we go.

• 1:57:53Adam Sosnick?

  Have you ever seen Ali G?

• 1:57:54Tom Ellsworth?

  Here we go.

• 1:57:55Adam Sosnick?

  What's, what's the...

• 1:57:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, let him finish his point.

• 1:57:57Adam Sosnick?

  So, I want to know about the euthanasia.

• 1:57:59Tom Ellsworth?

  But we're seeing it, and I believe it was Netherlands that basically got to the point that said, look, you know, if they're old, destitute, a burden to society.

• 1:58:07Patrick Bet-David?

  Are you for it, Tom?

• 1:58:08Tom Ellsworth?

  I'm not for it because everything I'm talking about, like Netherlands and things, this, you put something on the books that you think it's good, oh, well, people can choose, you can do like this, and doctors can, well, what does the doctor choose if you have no family there? And what if you're not the one that was choosing it? You are, you're old and firm, and it's people around you making the decision for you. Once you put this on the books, it can be used in bad ways, which is why I don't like it.

• 1:58:39Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, let me ask you. These are some of the folks out there that are campaigning. You mean to tell me, like, this wouldn't convince you to support it? Rob, if you can show the picture? Vote yes to assisted dying. Look at the lady in the middle, who, all the way in the middle to the left, pink. Can you go zoom in on her face a little bit?

• 1:58:55Adam Sosnick?

  Let us choose?

• 1:58:56Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, right there.

• 1:58:57Adam Sosnick?

  They all look like that.

• 1:58:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Because she's, she's pretty happy, right?

• 1:58:59Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:00Patrick Bet-David?

  The one on the left...

• 1:59:01Adam Sosnick?

  What do you mean she, PBD?

• 1:59:02Patrick Bet-David?

  The one on the left is a little bit, yeah, you're right. The one on the left is a little bit concerned, but look at the one all the way to the right. She's worried. She may be, like, being nominated. Go all the way to the right, Rob, zoom out a little bit. Not that one. Look at that one. She's, like, about to run off.

• 1:59:15Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, she doesn't look happy.

• 1:59:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Give me choice over my death. How much you think these guys got paid to just go out there and hold these signs up?

• 1:59:23Tom Ellsworth?

  By the way, this isn't New York. I believe this is Scotland.

• 1:59:25Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, but, but, no matter what it is, are these people going out there, doing this because they support it? Are these guys doing it because they're getting paid? Question, though, do you think, like, does anybody here have the thought of saying, I would support people being able to choose to take their lives? Adam, are you in a place of choice? Are you in a place of, no, we shouldn't make that available to everybody?

• 1:59:50Adam Sosnick?

  Well, look, I'm old enough to remember in the late 90s, there was a guy named Doctor Death. Dr. Jack Kevorkian. Armenian, Pat?

• 1:59:58Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:58Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:58Patrick Bet-David?

  You know who played him in a movie?

• 2:00:00Adam Sosnick?

  Don't tell me, Al Pacino.

• 2:00:01Patrick Bet-David?

  Al Pacino.

• 2:00:02Adam Sosnick?

  Great one.

• 2:00:02Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:02Adam Sosnick?

  Hooah! And you could go in Rolling Stone magazine and you could buy his death machine, which was an IV kit. That's what Adam's talking about.

• 2:00:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Tom, don't give people ideas. He's joking, folks. He's joking, but go ahead, keep going, Tom.

• 2:00:14Adam Sosnick?

  No, it was Kevorkian at the time.

• 2:00:16Patrick Bet-David?

  Oh, my God, Tom. Don't give him ideas. Those things, you can still find those things on eBay. Go ahead.

• 2:00:19Adam Sosnick?

  I used to buy them and gift them to people.

• 2:00:21Patrick Bet-David?

  Adam, Tom, go ahead, Adam.

• 2:00:23Adam Sosnick?

  No, no, Tom, go, keep going. Your light's on, Adam. Okay, my bad. Well, I remember this guy, Dr. Jack Kevorkian.

• 2:00:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Actually in the insurance industry.

• 2:00:31Adam Sosnick?

  That's true.

• 2:00:32Patrick Bet-David?

  So, go ahead, Adam.

• 2:00:32Adam Sosnick?

  I understand.

• 2:00:33Patrick Bet-David?

  Go ahead, yeah, yeah.

• 2:00:35Adam Sosnick?

  Well, life insurance should be called death insurance, but that's a whole other conversation.

• 2:00:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Used to be called death insurance. They changed it, yeah.

• 2:00:39Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, because it's called marketing. Anyway, this guy was a super controversial figure because basically he was helping terminally ill people.

• 2:00:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Armenians is.

• 2:00:50Adam Sosnick?

  Off themselves. And it was very controversial. I want to say that he was, in fact, convicted of, of, I think murder, second degree murder. He was convicted of second degree murder and served eight years of a 10 to 25 year prison sentence. He was released on parole in June 2007 on a condition he would not offer advice or participate or be present in the act of any type of euthanasia or any other person that he promoted, talked about the procedure of assisted suicide. So, apparently, this is frowned upon. And it's not something that, but it's such a dark, dreary, uncomfortable conversation.

• 2:01:29Patrick Bet-David?

  I asked a question.

• 2:01:30Adam Sosnick?

  Like, these people.

• 2:01:31Patrick Bet-David?

  Here's a question I'm asking. Are you at all for it? Is it a libertarian idea to say if somebody wants to take their lives, leave it to them? Vinnie?

• 2:01:38Adam Sosnick?

  Well, how do you stop somebody? So, so here's, can I answer this? So, if someone wants to kill themselves.

• 2:01:47Adam Sosnick?

  Can they do that?

• 2:01:48Speaker 07

  Anybody could.

• 2:01:49Patrick Bet-David?

  No, they get arrested after they kill themselves.

• 2:01:50Speaker 07

  You're murdered yourself.

• 2:01:51Adam Sosnick?

  Exactly.

• 2:01:52Patrick Bet-David?

  Right after you kill yourself, you go to jail.

• 2:01:53Adam Sosnick?

  So the question is, is the person who is helping to facilitate do that, are they convicted? So if someone says, no, I actually, I'm terminally ill. I don't want to live like this. Rather than take a pill, or God forbid, shoot myself or hang myself, I want to go about this in a humane way.

• 2:02:10Patrick Bet-David?

  Yeah, that's normal. They'll put in their trust and say,

• 2:02:13Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 2:02:14Patrick Bet-David?

  if I'm getting close to dying and I'm a cabbage, or I'm a vegetable, let me go. Don't keep me alive for no reason.

• 2:02:21Adam Sosnick?

  Yeah, DNR, do not resuscitate. Okay. But some, that's assuming you think that the average person has a will or trust.

• 2:02:26Patrick Bet-David?

  Guys, do you think it's an idea that we should entertain?

• 2:02:30Speaker 07

  No, and I'll tell you why.

• 2:02:32Patrick Bet-David?

  Tell me.

• 2:02:32Speaker 07

  God, Pat, we talk about Christianity, God doesn't make mistakes. Okay, if you're still breathing,

• 2:02:37Adam Sosnick?

  I've seen a bunch of mistakes God has made, buddy.

• 2:02:39Speaker 07

  If you're breathing, you are here for a reason. I don't care how hard life gets, he doesn't give you more than you can handle. Period. End of story. You don't get to check out because it's hard. That's not dignity, that's called surrender. All right, the same way I feel about abortion, Alberto made a great point. All those people with that pink and all that stuff, pretty sure they're all for abortion. Okay, we don't get to decide when the life should end, okay? That's God's job, it's not yours, okay? Some people call it compassion, I call it playing God. And the last I checked, none of us qualify to be God. So God, let God do his thing, that to me, that's murder. You're killing somebody, just like freaking abortion. And you're helping them die.

• 2:03:17Adam Sosnick?

  I respect your opinion here. I think it's, and I'm not saying you, I hear, it's such a cop out to say, it's all in God's hands. God doesn't make a mistake.

• 2:03:26Speaker 07

  He doesn't make mistakes.

• 2:03:27Adam Sosnick?

  Okay.

• 2:03:28Speaker 07

  God makes mistakes.

• 2:03:29Adam Sosnick?

  Well, then, you know what? Then, then humans certainly do.

• 2:03:31Speaker 07

  Great point. Because humans have evil in their heart.

• 2:03:35Adam Sosnick?

  It's such an easy, blatant answer to be like, God would never make a mistake.

• 2:03:38Speaker 07

  No, he doesn't.

• 2:03:39Adam Sosnick?

  God would never do this.

• 2:03:39Speaker 07

  Adam, because you're not a, are you a Christian? Do you believe in God?

• 2:03:42Adam Sosnick?

  I'm the original Christian, buddy, it's called Jewish.

• 2:03:44Speaker 07

  Yeah, okay.

• 2:03:44Adam Sosnick?

  You follow our stuff.

• 2:03:45Speaker 07

  Okay, but you believe Jesus Christ is the Savior? No, you don't. But that's irrelevant. That's a whole different conversation.

• 2:03:48Adam Sosnick?

  There we go. But the point is this, it's such a cop out to be like, God doesn't make mistakes. Blanket answer, we can't even have a conversation now. Because God doesn't make mistakes.

• 2:03:57Speaker 07

  He doesn't, Adam. You make mistakes. Human beings make mistakes. The devil gets in people and he makes them make mistakes. So when people go, "Oh, there's a baby in there, I'm gonna kill it."

• 2:04:05Adam Sosnick?

  How are you so convinced of this?

• 2:04:07Speaker 07

  I'm convinced 100% because I have something called faith, Adam. I have faith.

• 2:04:10Adam Sosnick?

  If you actually define faith, it's not 100%.

• 2:04:13Speaker 07

  No, I believe in faith because I've seen it. I've lived it, Adam. So for somebody to say-

• 2:04:18Adam Sosnick?

  Faith, the definition of faith is not 100%. It's the uncertainty, but the belief. It's not 100%. The actual definition of faith is that you cannot be 100% certain. That is the actual definition of faith, is that I actually, I think this is gonna, I believe so much, but I'm not sure. So you use the term 100%, but you're not 100%. That is literally why it's called faith.

• 2:04:41Patrick Bet-David?

  Let me go to Tom first. Tom, tell me what you think about that.

• 2:04:44Speaker 07

  Jesus Christ is here, Adam, and they wrote about it, and everybody proved that everything that he said happened. And out of all the religious leaders, Muhammad, Buddha, everything, you know what everybody wrote and it's been proven, Adam? This is my faith, that Jesus Christ is the only one that died and came back to life.

• 2:04:59Adam Sosnick?

  He remixed it?

• 2:05:00Speaker 07

  That's the guy. That's the guy.

• 2:05:01Adam Sosnick?

  I want him to come back again soon.

• 2:05:03Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, he will.

• 2:05:04Speaker 07

  He will, and it's not gonna be good. It's not gonna be good for people that lack killing themselves and killing other people, Adam.

• 2:05:10Adam Sosnick?

  So let me ask you a question.

• 2:05:12Speaker 07

  You know what I find ridiculous?

• 2:05:14Tom Ellsworth?

  I want you and I to be on the same page, and I don't know if you really understand how badly I want that in my heart.

• 2:05:19Adam Sosnick?

  Thank you.

• 2:05:20Tom Ellsworth?

  Regardless of how we argue, regardless of the snide comments that you and I make to each other, I'm responsible for mine. I want you and I to be on the exact same page when Christ comes back, and he is coming back.

• 2:05:29Adam Sosnick?

  I have one question. When someone apologizes after being a scumbag murderer rapist, and they accept Jesus on their deathbed, do you think they should be resolved of their sins?

• 2:05:39Speaker 07

  I love this question. If they truly-

• 2:05:41Adam Sosnick?

  Murderer, child rapist, child rapist. Go ahead, they accept Jesus on their deathbed.

• 2:05:46Speaker 07

  Are you ready for this? If in their heart of heart, and I don't see it, he does, okay? If they do, then Adam, I'm sorry, yes, it is just like the thief that was crucified next to Jesus Christ, where one of them was mocking him, and he was saying, "You're the son of God, take yourself off, save yourself and save us."

• 2:06:05Adam Sosnick?

  We don't deserve it.

• 2:06:06Speaker 07

  We don't deserve it. And he said, "Shame on you." He said, "Shame on you." He goes, "He hasn't done nothing. We deserve it." And he turned to him, that guy, and on the cross said, "Jesus Christ, forgive me and forgive me of my sins." And what did Jesus say to him?

• 2:06:19Adam Sosnick?

  I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise.

• 2:06:22Speaker 07

  Boom! That's how it happened, Adam. And again, bro, it's in your heart.

• 2:06:25Adam Sosnick?

  So no matter how disgusting of a person you are on earth, if you accept on your deathbed...

• 2:06:30Speaker 07

  Not accept, Jesus, Adam, you truly ask.

• 2:06:32Adam Sosnick?

  Okay, so it's all is forgiven?

• 2:06:34Speaker 07

  And you believe...

• 2:06:35Adam Sosnick?

  I have a very big problem with that.

• 2:06:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Yeah, because you know why? Because you're...

• 2:06:38Speaker 07

  Because I'm a Jewish, Tom? Go ahead!

• 2:06:40Tom Ellsworth?

  No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's because you're human and you're still living with your desire for vengeance and consequence. And the ultimate judgment is not us. The ultimate judgment is not us. There's nothing wrong with what you're saying from a human logic perspective. And as a human, that is our logic. We have, we have great pain in our heart, and there's nowhere to put it, but there's only one physician that cures the ultimate pain, and that's Jesus Christ. And so, what you're feeling is normal. How can it be logical and fair for this person that did this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, to, "It's not a get out of jail free card"? If that faith is not sincere, if that call to, to Christ is not real,

• 2:07:23Tom Ellsworth?

  if that is not there, then the judgment will be passed on, and that's God's business, not my business.

• 2:07:29Patrick Bet-David?

  Okay, can we get back to the question, Tom? Do you think there's anything about you here that thinks this story, because you circled it, that you wanted to talk about?

• 2:07:37Tom Ellsworth?

  Yep, I do, and I got a...

• 2:07:38Patrick Bet-David?

  Assisted dying bill moving forward, do you think there's anything about it? Because I've asked this now seven times. Anything about it where they should have the ability to do so?

• 2:07:47Tom Ellsworth?

  Well, people have the ability to do so today. What I don't like is the word assisted and bill. Because they're putting power into a law, and then these laws get used by countries and people the wrong way. It's, I'm full of concern about how this law will be used in the future. There are people in this life that reach certain points, and they want to tap out. It's not a decision I could ever make. If I'm not resuscitable, I've told, I have a do not resuscitate. If I'm not resuscitable, and there's no brain activity, accident, illness, cancer in the future, don't use artificial machines to keep me going.

• 2:08:31Tom Ellsworth?

  And there's nothing going on, and there's no brain activity, and they're like, "Look, we are powering him. If there's no machines, his brain and his cancer and everything are done, and he's with the Lord. I might be," there's a great debate here, "my soul might be with the Lord in the first place," you know? So... I have a problem with assisted and bill. It's a law and laws get used the wrong way by governments. To your question, that's what I don't like about it. What do you think, Pat? How do you feel about it?

• 2:08:59Patrick Bet-David?

  No, I think the libertarian position would be if somebody on this panel was a libertarian. We don't have a representative there. Rob, do you have a different position on this or where are you at with this?

• 2:09:09Speaker 10

  Compassion. If it's somebody that has ALS or an incurable disease and they're in pain, that's one thing. But if you're depressed and you have the blues and you want to go seek assisted dying, I don't approve of that at all.

• 2:09:20Patrick Bet-David?

  So for you, it's based on what qualifies the individual to be able to have this assistant dying?

• 2:09:26Speaker 10

  Yeah, if they're in medical pain and every day is torture for them to be alive, that's one thing. But if you're, I see a lot of this overseas where it's depression and they're, they're, oh, this depression is, I can't beat it, I can't get through it. That's a different type of issue that could be solved through therapy, through medication. But there are diseases out there that there's no solving for.

• 2:09:47Patrick Bet-David?

  Right, and by the way, if you think about it, this whole story with Jack Kevorkian in 1998, Kevorkian was arrested and tried for his role in the voluntary euthanasia of a man named Thomas Yauk, who had Lou Gehrig disease or ALS. He was convicted of second degree murder and then he gets whatever he gets to 10 to 25 years, that's eight years on it, coming out with the fact that he would never speak to anybody else about it again. So that there is a libertarian faction that believes this ought to be a, the individual's choice to do whatever they want to do with their body. I'm a Christian. I don't subscribe to this at all whatsoever, but there is a community that says there is something to do here with it. And you know, you just have to hear their argument, what their argument is all about. For me, it's very simple, man.

• 2:10:32Patrick Bet-David?

  You know, there's so many times in life where you're in a place where there seems to be no other reason to live. There's nothing to look forward to. You feel like you're the only person that's going through this challenging time and it's tough, it's painful, it's, you feel alone, you feel everyone's turned against you. Could be an ugly divorce, could be a loss of a loved one, could be a career, could be you screwed up with a business partner that you had and you did something so bad that you're probably not going to get that relationship ever back and you lost 80% of people that were in your life because it was so tied to your career. No matter how shitty things may be, it's just not worth it. It's just not. And it always goes back to the time I interviewed this one guy who

• 2:11:17Patrick Bet-David?

  uh, uh, jumped off the bridge and you know, they make it. And they said, uh, a hundred percent of people that they interviewed, who made it in the San Francisco Bay Bridge who would jump off. Suicidal. The second they let go, that split second, a hundred percent of them regretted letting go. Oh my goodness. A hundred percent that when they let go, Wow. all they thought about is all the people they loved, the great memories in their lives, and they said, I wish I wouldn't have done it. Oh man. And God gave them a second chance. Wow. In that cold ocean, the high, the drop, the bones. It feels like you're hitting a ton of bricks when you hit the water, so. Of course. So the point is, you know, as you go through this, I think sometimes,

• 2:12:01Patrick Bet-David?

  you know, you can also put certain thoughts in people's heads to think something is okay or worth it. You know, I just wanna, there's a reason why we have the brand, Future Looks Bright, because we want to encourage the mindset of future's bright, things are gonna work itself out. Even when nothing was going wrong in my, and nothing was going right in my life, I'm like, dude, I don't know what. I got something to look forward to. By the way, something for you to think of, I'm not, I don't have this for you, I just wanna show you. I cannot wait to be able to show you what's in this come September. This will be introduced in September. I cannot. I wish I'd be on the side. I don't even wanna show it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, be careful. I cannot wait to show you what's in this. Machlata. Machlata, yeah, I can't wait.

• 2:12:44Patrick Bet-David?

  And you know who we probably will introduce it to first? Who? The people in the PBD Podcast Circle. The people that are in there, and by the way, when it goes, it's gonna go. So if you're not yet part of the circle to get today's notes, behind the scenes, many conversations and debates that continue with everybody that watches the podcast, go to PBD Podcast Circle, join it, network with others, put up the stories. There's a lot of debates that happens, a lot of different communication with them there. And so it's another way for us to stay in contact with each other throughout the week when there's not a podcast being done. Anyways, having said that, gang, have a great day, have a great weekend. We'll do it again next week. Take care, everybody. Bye bye, bye bye.

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