KHC 214 - Rotten Apples Aren’t Applesauce | Off the Record with Gideon

Join James Williams aka Gideon for a solo podcast. Cam is out hunting so James is going to cover questions you guys asked on Instagram, some of his background, random thoughts, and more! Let us know in the comments if you want James to do another one of these episodes! Follow along: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cameronrhanes Twitter: https://twitter.com/cameronhanes Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/camhanes/ Website: https://www.cameronhanes.com Timestamps: 00:00:00 – Intro, Why People Call James Gideon, & Tackle Football 00:11:17 – Making Goals That Scare You 00:16:42 – Find Someone that Supports Your Goals 00:18:09 – The Misogi Challenge: Do Something Hard Each Year 00:20:42 – Creeps on Instagram 00:23:03 – Doing What You Say You're Going to Do 00:25:02 – How Being Around Cam Has Changed James 00:26:46 – How James Met Cam 00:27:33 – Photography Gear: Just a Button Pusher 00:28:09 – Overhyped & Underrated Products in the Fitness Industry 00:29:35 – Films that Inspire James 00:30:55 – Hog Aesthetics 00:31:38 – Israel & BB…No Comments 00:32:13 – What James’ First Backyard Ultra Would Be 00:33:24 – Cam & James’ In-N-Order 00:34:55 – How to Become a Man 00:36:17 – “For the Lore” Motto 00:41:09 – Depression? Get Out the Door & Do Something 00:44:21 – Rotten Apples Aren’t Applesauce 00:46:20 – Final Thoughts Thank you to our sponsors: Ketone IQ: https://www.ketone.com/Cam use code CAM for 30% off your first subscription Hoyt: http://bit.ly/3Zdamyv use code CAM for 10% off ALP: https://alppouch.com/ use code CAM for 10% off your first order Black Rifle Coffee: https://www.blackriflecoffee.com/ Use code KEEPHAMMERING for 10% your order Grizzly Coolers: https://www.grizzlycoolers.com/ use code KEEPHAMMERING for 15% off MTN OPS Supplements: https://mtnops.com/ Use code CAM for 20% off & Free Shipping

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• 0:00Cameron Hanes?

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• 0:43Cameron Hanes?

  I can train, work, and think without that roller coaster of energy. Physically, I feel ready to go. Mentally, I'm locked in. That combination matters when you're putting in long hours and real work. Visit ketone.com backslash cam for 30% off your subscription order, plus receive a free gift with your second shipment. Or find Ketone IQ at Target stores nationwide in the hydration and protein aisle and get your first shot free. I've been shooting Hoyt for over 20 years now, and they're a lifetime partner of mine. That's not something I take lightly. I stay with partners that prove themselves, and Hoyt continues to do that year after year.

• 1:26Cameron Hanes?

  They shattered the industry standards and built the AX90, the first 90-pound bow to exist and be offered to consumers. Why? Because I want a hard-hitting arrow delivered with enough force to push through, say, a rib or the edge of a shoulder blade. Because it's bow hunting. Not every shot is going to be perfect. But when the animal reacts, or maybe I don't make the most perfect shot, I still want to deliver a lethal arrow, and a 90-pound bow gives me more room for error. Unfortunately, they don't offer discounts on bows. But if you want to grab some Hoyt merch or selected accessories, you can use my code CAM for 20% off.

• 2:10Cameron Hanes?

  If you're serious about archery and you want something you can rely on, shoot a Hoyt. Get serious, get Hoyt, and keep hammering.

• 2:35Speaker 01

  Let's see how this goes. Okay, I'm gonna redo that. Okay, already take two or three. Well, four, because there's a file that I didn't upload that we'll never see the light of day. So to start this, I think I need to preemptively apologize to Macy.

• 2:52Cameron Hanes?

  Macy, I'm sorry.

• 2:53Speaker 01

  Oh, poor Macy. Sorry, Macy.

• 2:55Cameron Hanes?

  Have fun with that, Macy.

• 2:56Speaker 01

  Sorry, Macy. Sorry, Macy. Because as far as an audience goes, it is just Macy and I. It's just me in this room. I'm alone. But Macy will be the one watching it first, so I definitely need to apologize to Macy for that. A second thing right off the bat. Different setup, as you can tell, different angle. Yeah, if you don't know what this is, it's Gideon, which we'll get into that because it's not even my real name, if you didn't know. I'm doing a solo podcast, and as you can probably already discern from the fact that I'm sitting in the podcast studio alone, that's how bad things have gotten.

• 3:40Speaker 01

  The podcast is on a huge trend downwards. Everything's crumbling. Desperate times call for desperate measures. Not really, but it's desperate enough? No, let me restart. Yeah, desperate times. Not really, but actually because Cam's gone and we decided we wanted to try a solo episode. So if you don't know what this is and you're not watching, for the listeners, Cam will not be on this episode. So I guess that will take away probably 99% of my viewers. The 1% that are left, welcome. Let's get into this. So I thought I should probably go into a deeper intro into who I am, just in case you don't know. Dotson, Dotson, we've got Dotson here. Nobody cares.

• 4:25Speaker 01

  But the details of my life are quite inconsequential. My father was a relentlessly self-improving lingerie owner from Belgium with low-grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buckery. My mother was a 15-year-old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would romance. He messed it up. If you don't know what movie that's from, you probably shouldn't listen to the rest of this. But yeah, so my name is not even Gideon. My name is actually James. My middle name is Gideon. And if you don't know why or how I started going by Gideon on the Shit Talkers podcast, you have to go all the way back to the beginning where Cam asked.

• 5:07Speaker 01

  I think everybody wants to know, what does the G stand for on my Instagram handle? Which is, well, you know what it is. I don't want to say it because then it seems like I'm giving a shameless self-promotion plug. But I have a G, and I said, it stands for Greg. And he said.

• 5:28Cameron Hanes?

  Man, that is so unique.

• 5:31Speaker 01

  That is not my middle name, but I think we'll leave it at that.

• 5:34Cameron Hanes?

  It's not Greg?

• 5:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:36Cameron Hanes?

  Gag?

• 5:37Speaker 01

  Gideon.

• 5:38Cameron Hanes?

  Gideon?

• 5:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 5:39Cameron Hanes?

  Seriously? Isn't that from like, like a movie or something? The Hobbit or?

• 5:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, my, my parents were huge.

• 5:55Cameron Hanes?

  Hobbit fans?

• 5:59Speaker 01

  Gideon the Hobbit master.

• 6:01Speaker 02

  I am, in fact, a hobbit.

• 6:04Speaker 01

  So that's my name. Now you know. Let's get into it. I want to address the fact that yesterday morning I woke up, and there was a crisp feeling to the air. Some of you may know this as a season called fall.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  Oh, no. Hallelujah. Reminds me of playing tackle football as a kid. Ooh, the sun would set. The air would get a little more bitey. Your ears would get cold. Your nose would run. But there was enough light for one more game of tackle football.

• 7:01Speaker 01

  You know, I step outside, there's a certain smell to it, and it's a smell of nostalgia. It reminds me of this one time we were playing tackle football when I was a kid. Kid, I use that term loosely. Someone should do a counter of how many times I mess up words because it's going to be a lot. But we were playing tackle football as a kid, and I was the receiver. Quarterback threw the ball, I had gone deep, I'm in the end zone, and I could tell the ball was coming in a little high. So I needed some effort. Need to put a little spring in my legs. So I jumped up for it. Now, my stomach has always been bad, but at this time in my life, it was notoriously bad. I load my legs, and I jump for the ball.

• 7:43Speaker 01

  My body moving upwards to make the catch. The soft-serve ice cream sitting in my bowels did not go upwards. No, it went downwards, and I full-on shit myself. Anyways, that was the, that was the last time I played tackle football. And it was not the last time I shit myself, unfortunately.

• 8:07Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. He shit everywhere. There's shit everywhere.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  I think there's two types of people out there. One, adults who admit to shitting themselves. And a second kind of person. And that second kind of person is a liar. So anyways, speaking of football, football is back. The NFL, college football. For those of you that are into that kind of thing, grown-ass men, by the way, watching other grown-ass men tackle each other. But speaking of grown men tackling each other, the other day I ran out of toilet paper. Now, it's 10:00 PM. It's pretty late, and this will be the last time I talk about poop, I promise.

• 8:53Speaker 01

  This is also a great example of everyone that's hated on me laughing the podcast, just saying I'm kissing Cam's ass and I laugh at every, no, I laugh at everything, no matter what. It's because I'm an idiot. So you laugh a little more when your IQ is anywhere south of 90. Everything that comes out of anybody's mouth is funny.

• 9:19Speaker 01

  Easy on the joke. I won't make it. It's low hanging fruit. Anyways, I ran out of toilet paper. It's 10:00 PM, a little too late to go get some. Now, an uncivilized man would wait until morning.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  But a cultured man adapts, overcomes, bears down.

• 9:42Speaker 01

  Some might say keeps hammering. And that's what I did. I had the idea, the notion, the intellect to understand that bounty is a lot better.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  Let me, bounty is, is, is good at more things than just cleaning up spilled milk.

• 10:02Speaker 04

  It does jobs I never thought a paper towel could do. Now it's the quilted picker upper.

• 10:08Speaker 01

  Let's just put it like that. Okay, that's the intro. I hope.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  I, I don't know. This is probably going to go so bad. I wonder how many people are going to make it through the full thing. If you do, I need to put this out there. This is the first of the solo podcast I'll do. If it goes badly, it'll be the last one. So you guys won't have to endure this anymore.

• 10:30Speaker 05

  Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.

• 10:35Speaker 01

  But if it goes decently, there will be a second one. No, God, please, no, no. And I want to get the audience involved. So I think for the second one, what I'll do is I'll have people send in stories. They can either type them or send me a voice note or a voice memo on Instagram, because I would love to play and react to the stories in real time on the podcast.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  Try not to make them too brutal. As we know, Macy has to listen to this, or if they are too bad, I will have to edit them out before she gets them. So just keep, actually, you know what? I'm gonna, I'll proof listen to them. So do your worst. But just know if it's bad, it won't make it to the podcast. I did want to touch on a few things now. I do appreciate everyone listening, even though I don't know why you would. Clearly you're also someone of an IQ south of 90. And that's okay. Takes one to know one. But on our last podcast, we did a picnic recap and it was fine. It was good. But there were some things I didn't get to go fully in depth on, I felt as I wanted to. I kind of skipped over some of my notes. That's my fault.

• 11:47Speaker 01

  But I wanted to retouch on making goals that scare you. And I know I had said on that podcast, you know, that goal scared the crap out of me. That's exactly what it did. And the thing is, is when I said that, I'm not sure I entirely believed it. I think part of me saying that was I wanted to convince myself that that was the good thing to do, that, that making a goal that scared me this bad was good. And I was, I was doing something hard. Now, looking back, I agree with that. You should set goals that scare you and, and not just physical ones, but all different kinds. And if it doesn't scare you, then it's not big enough. It's not out of reach enough.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  I think that that level of fear, where it's not crippling, it's not, you know, it doesn't paralyze you. It doesn't eat away at your life. That level of fear acts as an accountability partner. It acts as something to motivate you. It acts as something that's always in the back of your mind when you wake up in the morning and you know you have work to do. It's too big to ignore. It's too big to skip your workout for the day and just think, you know what? It's not that hard. I'll be fine because you know it won't be that hard. You, you can't skip a workout because you know that on the day you said you were going to do this goal, as it approaches, that that goal, whatever it may be,

• 13:10Speaker 01

  doesn't care how you felt on any specific day, doesn't care if you were tired. It doesn't care if you didn't feel like you had time. All it cares about is that it's just as hard, it's just as demanding as the day it was you made that goal.

• 13:28Speaker 01

  So make the goal that scares you, something that, that keeps you honest, something that when you show up to conquer it, you have to look yourself in the mirror and ask, did I do the work? Now I understand the picnic relative to the guests we have on. So some of the people I've had the pleasure of meeting is not that big of a deal. There's plenty of people I think out there that could do it. Honestly, there's probably somebody that can get off the couch and do it. That's, that's my honest take on it. So don't be afraid to set a goal big enough that you don't feel like you can do in the moment.

• 14:05Speaker 01

  But what I have found after the picnic is everything I'd done before, whether it was a 50K or the 100K or any other stupid adventure.

• 14:15Speaker 06

  We're going on an adventure, Charlie.

• 14:18Speaker 01

  The, the picnic was always there afterwards. I always knew I had something to move towards. And it was this thing I had put so much emotional energy in and had wanted to do for so long that now that it's done, I'm finding it a little difficult to pick what my next goal may be. It's easy to work towards something when you're emotionally invested in it. That, that kind of keeps the fire lit under you. But to be honest, and I think I've said this, maybe people don't believe me, but I have never stepped out of the door once and been excited to go for a run. I do not like running. It doesn't, it's never offered me what maybe it offers to others. You know, the runner's high or a chance to think or a passion.

• 15:04Speaker 01

  It was always just the work that I, I had to do. And obviously that came into play with my job. You know, I need to be in decent shape to do what I do. So that being said, you know, I've said before that, you know, when I climbed or even as a photographer or a filmmaker, what, I've never said that. I've never said I am a photographer. I am a climber. I am a runner. Cause I don't believe that. You know, I think there are certain people out there that can claim they are that thing when they devote their life to it. But eventually, and none of us can run away from this, eventually there will come a day where you are no longer that thing. And then what is left afterwards?

• 15:47Speaker 01

  So I've never attached my identity to that, but I think what I did subconsciously is attach my identity to the person that was training for the picnic.

• 15:56Speaker 03

  Nobody makes me bleed my own blood. Nobody.

• 16:00Speaker 01

  So every day when I had to train, it was for the picnic. Now, you know, I, I don't have anything to train for, so to speak. I've maintained, you know, I go on a couple of runs a week. Obviously I am back in the gym lifting five days a week, trying to put some weight back on.

• 16:17Speaker 02

  What do you do for a living?

• 16:19Speaker 03

  I lift things up and put them down.

• 16:22Speaker 01

  So I don't know. I don't know what, what the next goal is. That was a question a lot of people asked. I had hinted at the idea of doing a backyard ultra. Boy, have you lost your mind? Cause I'll help you find it.

• 16:34Speaker 01

  I'll get to that later. I answered somebody's question on that. I'd like to give you guys credit for the questions you asked me. So I'll wait.

• 16:45Speaker 01

  The last thing I want to say about the picnic specifically is I just feel like I didn't touch enough on the impact Brooke had on my training, the prep, the calories, the nutrition, the logistics of getting there. So I'm beyond grateful for that and her family, but I just wanted to reiterate, I think it's important. You find somebody that's willing to hear your goals and, and be a yes man, but not just a yes man, be realistic about them. Help you in ways that helps you move towards them instead of being another point of friction to get it done.

• 17:27Speaker 01

  Whatever that may be in your life, whatever your goal is, whatever that takes or whatever you must sacrifice to accomplish that. Obviously there's a lot that goes into that, but Brooke, thank you. Oh my Lanta, you are my woman. I don't, I don't let her listen to these. Maybe she'll listen to this one. I don't know. It's kind of a rule. It's my rule. Anybody who knows me personally, you're not allowed to listen to the podcast and if you do, don't tell me. Okay?

• 18:03Speaker 01

  That's the first time I remember that that camera's there. All right.

• 18:10Speaker 01

  Well, I don't want to get, I don't want this whole thing to be serious. I want this podcast to be somewhere that I can spill excess thoughts from shit talkers, whether they're jokes or funny or unhinged, but also serious. I think a lot of us out there use humor to cope because we are deep thinkers. Not saying that if you're a deep thinker, you have a high IQ. So don't run away with that.

• 18:34Cameron Hanes?

  I ran clear across Alabama. No particular reason, I just kept on going.

• 18:40Speaker 01

  We've already established, we all have low IQs here.

• 18:46Speaker 01

  Usually there's two sides to the coin. So if you're listening to this and wondering what the hell is going on and why are you listening to this? I apologize. And maybe this will be the last time you ever have to sit through this. So there's a term I want to talk about. It's called a masogi. And that is the whole reason that I decided to do the picnic. And this term, I originally heard of it from Jesse Itzler. And he said, you know, there's a old Japanese ritual. It's called a masogi. And it's to do one hard, challenging thing that's, you know, 50/50, whether you'll do it or not, a year.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  One thing that afterwards

• 19:29Speaker 01

  will change your perspective on things. Now, I looked it up. Masogi is actually an old Japanese ritual of purifying water. So I'm not sure how Western culture turned that into one hard event annually, but I do like the idea behind this new definition of the term. So if you're out there wondering, put a masogi on your calendar. Choose one for 2027. If you don't have one for 2026 this year, throw it up there. Challenge yourself, that, that goal I talked about earlier about doing something that scares you. Make that your masogi.

• 20:09Speaker 01

  I think, why not? I don't know.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  Go to camera two and back to camera one. My transitions in this podcast may be a little rough. This is going to be a giant learning curve for all of us. I assume that the comments are just going to be riddled with people ripping me a new one. And I deserve it. So, you know, this is, it might be rough for the first couple of times, but the only way you can get better at something like this is to do it over and over again, unless it goes terribly, in which case this will be the only time. Like I said earlier, I spoke of my girlfriend, how thankful I was for her and her commitment to my goal. Here's a problem.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  And I gotta lock in for this one too. And this one might be, I'm going to be looking at this camera a couple of times. And this one goes right out to the viewer because it's you guys. It's the, it's the, I'm going to call you the minions.

• 21:07Speaker 01

  I post a picture with my girlfriend on Instagram, a social media app founded by, well, I don't know who it was founded by, but it's owned by Metas Mark Zuckerberg. Okay? If you didn't know that. No one knows what it means, but it's provocative. You know, now you know. So a little history lesson there for you. I post a picture, me and my girlfriend wholesome.

• 21:31Speaker 01

  How many times are you guys going to say I outkicked my coverage?

• 21:39Speaker 01

  One time, two time, you know, that's, maybe that's funny.

• 21:45Speaker 01

  Say it once.

• 21:49Speaker 01

  Shame on you. Say it twice. Shame on me. Fool me three times. George W. Bush. No, you guys, you can't, and I don't know where I'm going with this, but I can't tag her anymore also because you guys are a bunch of creeps. Okay? So if I tag my girlfriend, maybe don't go stalk her page because that gets back to me. And let me tell you, Dale from Iowa, it's not a real person, but it might as well be.

• 22:22Speaker 01

  If I outkicked my coverage, what makes you think you're not even on the football field? Okay? You're in the nosebleeds. Dale, you're in the nosebleeds. So don't do that. Don't shoot your shot. What is that about? We can't be doing that. Thank you. That's a public service announcement. Oh God, I feel like this is going terribly.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  Hit the like button, comment, subscribe for more.

• 22:55Speaker 01

  Is it possible that this video is our first video that gets more dislikes than likes? Is that possible? I don't know. Okay, let's get into some audience questions. This one comes from T. Furlong. If I'm pronouncing that correctly, and he asks, the why?

• 23:20Speaker 01

  Or did you mean the who? I don't even know if we can use that. That might be copyright. Anyways. No, the why. And I've thought a lot about this. And I think, I think a lot about it because of the people we have on the podcast, the people I've had.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  The opportunity to meet through this work and I'm not necessarily, a lot of them have similar qualities and they're, they're elites. They're the best of the best. So they're obviously going to have qualities above the rest of us. But when it comes down to it, I don't think I'm driven by a similar thing, which probably is the reason why I'll never be elite. But that's okay.

• 24:08Speaker 01

  I'm the average Joe trying to do slightly above average things with a slightly below average IQ.

• 24:18Speaker 05

  I'm the smartest guy in the world. Says who? The IQ test you took in prison. You got the highest score in history. Brought to you by Carl's Jr.

• 24:26Speaker 01

  If I had to answer the why in one sentence, it's that these goals allow me the opportunity to prove to myself that I am capable of accomplishing what I say I'm going to do.

• 24:41Speaker 01

  When I look in the mirror, I can look at myself and say, I did exactly what I said I was going to do. Even past wanting to quit or being scared or not doing it. And I think that's important for later on in life. Maybe not right now. Maybe I haven't reaped the benefits of that at the moment, but

• 25:05Speaker 01

  it's yet to be seen. Okay, Chris Zeller asks, how has being around Cam and other high achievers changed me?

• 25:17Speaker 01

  I've talked about this before, but I've become very accustomed to being the weakest link. And I think, you know, at first it was, it was a hit to my ego, hit to my pride. It, it made me feel weak and small. And then as time went on, I learned to accept that. And that the only way I could move forward and move towards some of my goals was to be the weakest link. I think it's an insane privilege to look around you and always be around people who are better than you. How many times in life do we look around our friend group? And not to say that our friend group sucks, friends are super important, but for a job, I get to spend time around super high achievers. I get to listen to what they say.

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Their little pieces of advice, their little tips, and I get to ingest all that and then translate it into my own understanding and spit out a solution or an action on the other side. So I think that's been the biggest thing is being okay, being the weakest link, knowing that I'm always moving towards being better. I don't think I'll ever not be the weakest link. I think.

• 26:33Speaker 04

  You are the weakest link. Goodbye.

• 26:37Speaker 01

  I think I play that role really well.

• 26:41Speaker 01

  And yeah.

• 26:46Speaker 01

  The next question is from Avery M. Fisk. He asks, how did you meet Cam?

• 26:55Speaker 01

  It's simple. A lot of you older gents and lads, lads, ladies, although there are very few, may remember a little site before Facebook Marketplace called Craigslist. And we met on the back pages in a missing connection ad.

• 27:19Speaker 01

  Not actually, but the real story is kind of boring.

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Just by happenstance, a couple DMs exchanged with Branlin Shockey. And I found myself in Hawaii with Cam and Tulsi. There were a lot of questions about gear, photography, filmmaking. I could do like a mini episode if you guys really want to hear it, but the average viewer, I don't think is so interested in that side of things. I'm happy to do it as a mini episode. If you guys want, you may be disappointed in a lot of my answers as I believe that all I really do is push a button and everybody and their grandma can push a button.

• 28:04Speaker 01

  It ain't that deep. Well, that's not true. Some things are that deep. Next question is from Clint Bartlett Outdoors. He asks, three overhyped and underrated products in the fitness industry? Fitness. Fitness dick in your mouth?

• 28:25Speaker 01

  Clint?

• 28:27Speaker 01

  Number one, overhyped. Anyone who's claiming to sell you a course of how to get shredded with 10 minute abs? Number one underrated is P90X and Zumba Fitness classes.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  I need to see all you guys in the Zumba room on the little bouncy trampoline with your, what are those called? Stocking warmers?

• 28:52Speaker 01

  Leg warmers? Leg warmers? Yeah. Leg warmers. I was thinking of stocking stuffers and like, I mixed them somehow.

• 29:06Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah. So if you want to get shredded, jacked, fit.

• 29:12Speaker 01

  Honestly, if I was running the more I have 240 this year, I can't work. Lucky for those guys, I'm, you know, booked. Otherwise I'd probably be winning it, but, uh, pull out the old P90X DVD. And get your ass in a Zoom class. Pounds you're gonna fly and that is out of here, mister. Uh, Jeff 48 King asks, films that inspire me. There's a bunch of films that inspire me for different reasons, but a couple of my favorites. Um, one of them was, is an older short film. I used to love like short outdoor films. I used to always go to the fly fishing film tour in Bozeman when it was there. And also the Banff Mountain Film Fest.

• 29:58Speaker 01

  And so films like that, wow, really inspired me.

• 30:04Speaker 01

  One of them is called Denali. I think it's a great film.

• 30:10Speaker 01

  Shown from a different perspective. It's, it's a, a shot and edited from the perspective and narrated from the perspective of a dog who gets to go on all these incredible adventures. And then the second film that I think is just so well done and has no score, no music, hardly any dialogue, no dialogue from character to character. It's a one man band, at least as far as characters go, is the hall out. Incredibly well done. That film is really good. Uh, Dan harms 23 asks, favorite butt plug size? I don't know. Ask your dad. Got it.

• 30:51Speaker 01

  Let me know what he says.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  Uh,

• 30:56Speaker 01

  Dee Adams, 011 asks, not a question, but merely a statement. Hog aesthetics. Here's the thing about hog, hog watch, hog reveal. Anyone in the ultra space knows this term because of Max Joliffe unsolicited memes. It's a movement, a religion, a renaissance, if you will. He is the hog father and to benefit or profit off of the use of this reference without any notion or respect for the hogness, I think blasphemy.

• 31:36Speaker 01

  Uh,

• 31:39Speaker 01

  I didn't ask who asked this, but someone asked about Israel and Bibi. I will fold under zero pressure and get into a very long conversation about that with anyone who's willing to. And to the CIA agent listening to this live, probably through my phone, since I'm already on a list.

• 31:59Speaker 01

  It's all jokes. It's all love. Now, it, do I say it's all love on this podcast because it's not shit talkers? Once we name it, maybe we'll need a different saying. Maybe this one. Yeah. So someone asked what my first backyard ultra would be. That's from Ryan Barnett or Barnett? Ryan, I don't know. Uh, how to say your last name? I know we're buddies. We've talked on the phone. Great dude, talented photographer.

• 32:29Speaker 01

  If anyone, and I'm looking at you, Marky Mark, the Dows, Hemethy? If anyone knows somebody, maybe to slip me a little, you know, a little, uh,

• 32:47Speaker 01

  little permission slip, a little receipt of entry, a little

• 32:56Speaker 01

  butt of faith.

• 33:00Speaker 01

  A little, damn, kinda sounded like Theo, damn, a little damn.

• 33:09Speaker 01

  You know, damn.

• 33:12Speaker 01

  Damn token. Uh, if anybody knows somebody, let me know.

• 33:19Speaker 01

  I'll do my best to last as long as my uncle does for me.

• 33:24Speaker 01

  Sage Harris asked about Cam and I's in and out order. We've talked enough about it and you know what? I think this is finally the time. I've been holding on to this information for far too long. If it gets me fired, it gets me fired. But Cam, the world needs to know that Cam orders his burgers as plain as possible.

• 33:50Speaker 01

  We're talking no cheese, no onions, no tomatoes, no pickles, no ketchup, no nothing, just meat between a bun. No homo.

• 34:05Speaker 01

  I think sometimes he just gets the bun because he feels guilty. And the amount of times we've gone and, you know, maybe it's a, a language barrier or lost in translation, you know, sometimes those order speakers can be a little, a little hissy, a little staticky. Yeah. Three orders of wonton soup.

• 34:29Speaker 06

  That's it.

• 34:31Speaker 06

  No, and then I, I, that's, that's all I want.

• 34:35Speaker 01

  But a lot of times they don't fully register what he's trying to order.

• 34:42Speaker 01

  And it does not come out as plain as possible. Uh, I get the double, double, double, two double doubles. Give me everything, animal style with some fries.

• 34:56Speaker 01

  Uh, Tanner asks, not Tanner Haynes, different Tanner. How do you become a man?

• 35:03Speaker 05

  We have come to the most critical area of masculine behavior. What? Dancing. Truly manly men do not dance. Oh, come on.

• 35:14Speaker 01

  Now Tanner, I have the privilege or maybe the misfortune of knowing you.

• 35:20Speaker 01

  I think a good starting place is we gotta do something about these jump rope videos you're posting, you know? They're illegal in at least 150 countries, semi-illegal in the others.

• 35:33Speaker 01

  Just got a call from King John, Kim, Kim Jong Un yesterday. And he's not pleased about it. Now give me money or I shoot him and I shoot all you motherfuckers and then we take it. Your choice, bitches. He's certainly not pleased with the angle you've been filming them from. Okay. We want to talk about hog watch earlier.

• 35:57Speaker 01

  Yeah. We gotta work on those. We gotta maybe get you something to prop your phone up so it's not so underneath. We're not shooting it up, you know? And I get it. You gotta shoot up, make things look better, but for the rest of us, maybe, you know, maybe take that into account.

• 36:16Speaker 01

  Well,

• 36:18Speaker 01

  my last topic for conversation to the, to the live audience is, uh, the last podcast, the last couple, maybe I wore this hat and some people were asking where it was from or what it is. It has this saying on the side, which is for the lore.

• 36:40Speaker 01

  That's a, that's my deal. That's my saying. Everyone's got to have one, I guess, right? Um, I have it tattooed on my leg. I tattooed it on myself.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  And it's just kind of a motto I've lived my life by, which is when you're faced with a difficult decision or an anxiety or something that, you know, feels scary is like

• 37:00Speaker 01

  faith and fear are both things that we believe without seeing them.

• 37:08Speaker 01

  So you can choose either one.

• 37:10Speaker 05

  Unfortunately, no one can be told what the matrix is.

• 37:19Speaker 05

  You have to see it for yourself.

• 37:21Speaker 01

  I choose to believe that it'll work out. And so far in my 28 years of life, every time I'm worried about it working out, it has worked out. I'm still here, still walking. I'm still standing. I'm still alive. And that all comes down to for the lore.

• 37:41Speaker 01

  Do it, cause why not? You know, it's like when you get to the end of your life and you look back.

• 37:48Speaker 01

  This is, this is really where the inspiration came from. You know, I used to watch a bunch of movies as a kid, still do, but in so many of them, and I've been going back, we got a VHS player. So, you know, two or three times a week at night, when things have wound down, we pop in a VHS.

• 38:08Speaker 01

  And in a lot of them, the main characters dig up or pull down this old dusty box. Not talking about your mom and her dusty box. I'm talking about a physical box. They pull it off the shelf. Maybe it was stowed away in some closet where the sun don't shine. They pull this box down and they open it up and it's, you know, from their grandpa or from somebody before them. And inside the box are a bunch of mementos or little things that meant something to the person that placed them in there. Maybe they don't mean anything to the, to the outside world. But when opened and looked through, you can discern what kind of life that person lived.

• 38:49Speaker 01

  And that was the whole inspiration is that your box proverbial, so to speak, your box is your life. And if someone at the end of your life could open up that box and look inside, you better make sure you got a damn good story. Cause that's all you have. You know, if your box is empty, if you got nothing in there that means something to you, then how can you mean something to somebody else? Bars. And I don't even know if that's true, but think about it. Sounded cool when I said it.

• 39:28Speaker 01

  I'm gonna take a little ad break. I gotta go see how long this episode's been. I'm trying to get to an hour.

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• 41:10Speaker 01

  Let's see what other questions came in, and I'll just do them live, like Bill O'Reilly.

• 41:16Speaker 05

  We'll do it live. We'll do it live! Fuck it!

• 41:24Speaker 01

  We got some new ones. B Barlow asked for, speaking of hog reveal, a PP reveal. Only if this pops off, if we get 100,000 likes, you'll find it in your DMs.

• 41:40Speaker 01

  Why do you train? Also from B Barlow, why didn't you ask your mom? Why does she get trained? B Barlow, another question, that's Blake. I know you and I have messaged back and forth a couple times, more than a couple times, Instagram friends. He asked, what would you say to an 18-year-old depressed you? Now, this is an interesting question, and maybe this podcast has gotten too deep, and maybe that's, maybe you guys will see where I, my head's at most of the time. I, it's always on, it's constantly on, it's why I can't sleep. I'm always thinking about things. And maybe it's not, not so much what you guys want, so we'll find out. But I think this is an interesting question. We have this notion that's like, you know, once people have maybe

• 42:23Speaker 01

  achieved a couple of goals, or gotten to somewhere where they think they have some kind of status, or, I don't know. And, you know, I'm guilty of this, but on the outside, you look at my Instagram, it's like, wow, I look at all these cool adventures, you know, maybe he was depressed when he's 18, but he's not now. And I don't fully understand or know what depression is. I could sit here and say, I've had bouts of it, where I have no motivation, I feel worthless, you know, I don't want to do anything. And those haven't gone away since I was 18. I still get those every now and then. But I think what I would tell anybody that's going through depression, and I have,

• 43:06Speaker 01

  is just go do something. The hardest part is getting up and getting out the door. That's the hardest part. You would not believe how easy you are to convince, once you were out the door, to do more with anything. I know when I was training and running a lot for the 100K, you know, and I had a long run, it was whatever, 30 miles, it was the last thing I wanted to go do, but if I could just get myself out the door, even if I was like, I'm not gonna do the 30, I'll just do 15, once I was five, 10 miles in, there was no way I wasn't gonna do the full thing.

• 43:46Speaker 01

  So, once you're in motion, an object in motion stays in motion. That is my favorite quote from Benjamin Franklin and George Washington. So, that's what I would answer with that. Some of these questions I can't put in here, but you know what I am gonna do?

• 44:08Speaker 01

  Sorry? A little upper decker, a little sweet nectar from our friends over at ALP, live on air.

• 44:22Speaker 01

  As it is September, we know that it is hunting season, archery season is afoot in many states,

• 44:32Speaker 01

  and it reminds me of a story, my younger years, of a simple mistake I once made while hunting. A buddy had texted me the night before, wanting to go hunting the next morning. I didn't really have any of my things put together, so I quickly put everything together. I knew I was gonna need some snacks, we're on the mountain, and I go to my fridge, and in the bottom drawer was an apple

• 45:00Speaker 01

  that had probably been in there for a month, month and a half. Now, if you haven't watched an apple degrade for that long, and then the fridge is a little different, it'll keep kind of its outside shell, but on the inside, it'll turn to mush. In my head, I'm thinking,

• 45:19Speaker 01

  what's a mushed apple? That's applesauce. So, I grabbed the apple, thinking, I just scored applesauce for my hunt. The next day, I throw it in a bag, throw it in my pack, got everything loaded up, I go to bed. The next day, we're on the mountain, it's around lunchtime, it's time to have some snacks, pound some trail mix, some jerky, and I pull out my famed applesauce apple. Keep it in the Ziploc bag, mush it up with my hands. I'm thinking, this, when in Rome, right?

• 45:56Speaker 01

  So, open up the bag, dip my fingers in, take a nice, big mouthful of my applesauce. And it turns out, and this might surprise some of you, as it surprised me, but an old moldy apple does not equate to applesauce. At least, I don't think so. Maybe you gotta add some other ingredients, vinegar, sugar, I don't know. But that is going to conclude this solo episode. If you loved it, if you hated it, let me know. What you'd like to see, what you'd like to hear, what I could do differently. Like I said, this is just gonna be a learning process for us all, especially me.

• 46:38Speaker 01

  It's weird sitting in a room, talking to two cameras with no one to bounce ideas off of, no one to continue the conversation. I've got podcasts that I've listened to, that people do solo, and I like them. I don't think I was anywhere near that, being likeable, but maybe it was tolerable to the point where it could be something I do every now and then. So, let us know. We got a couple of things that I need from you guys. One, let's come up with a name. Two, gotta come up with a motto. And three, write me and leave me some voice memos of things

• 47:17Speaker 01

  you want to talk about, stories, anything funny that happens to you, something. Give me something to go off of. I may record another one of these in the next couple of days, that way we have two. And Macy, once again, I am sorry that you have to sit through this. Let me know how it is.

• 47:38Speaker 05

  Were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought? I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

• 47:47Speaker 01

  That's it. See you guys next time.

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