YOUR Reactions to the iPhone Duo!

Right after the iPhone event, Andrew and Ellis hit the streets to ask anyone that happened to be walking by how they felt about the newest iPhones from Apple! Links: MKBHD - iPhone 18 Pro/Duo Impressions video Thanks to all of our guests! Follow their work below: Tech Santos: https://www.youtube.com/techsantos Dhruv Mohan: https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/etreporter/author-dhruv-mohan-479255634.cms Brett.tech: https://www.youtube.com/@brett.tech_ Follow us on socials: Marques: https://www.threads.net/@mkbhd Andrew: https://www.threads.net/@andrew_manganelli David: https://www.threads.net/@davidimel Adam: https://www.threads.net/@parmesanpapi17 Ellis: https://twitter.com/EllisRovin Waveform Threads: https://www.threads.net/@waveformpodcast Waveform Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/waveformpodcast/?hl=en Waveform TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@waveformpodcast Join the Discord: https://discord.gg/mkbhd Intro/Outro music by 20syl: https://bit.ly/2S53xlC Waveform is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:02Speaker 02

  I have Italian installed and I'm going to hit start translation. Would you like to speak Italian to me?

• 1:08Speaker 03

  Mettiamo che questi signori mi stanno facendo delle domande molto interessanti sulla Formula 1 ed Apple. Quindi capiamo un po' il da farsi nei prossimi tempi.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  What is up, people of the internet? Welcome to the... Wow, I've never done this before.

• 1:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Nice.

• 1:33Speaker 02

  What is up, people of the internet? Welcome to another episode of the Waveform Podcast, a bonus episode. I, right now, am your host, Ellis, and I am with?

• 1:42Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm David. And I'm Andrew.

• 1:45Speaker 02

  Wow, alright.

• 1:45Andrew Manganelli?

  David, I'm Adam.

• 1:46Speaker 02

  And this is officially the second hottest outdoor waveform podcast of the year. It is not 100 degrees, but it is very close.

• 1:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Pretty damn close. Almost as hot as in the studio and we don't run the AC.

• 1:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57Andrew Manganelli?

  I think like we train all year for this moment.

• 1:59Speaker 02

  That's so true. So you're probably asking, where are we? You're probably not asking that, because we are in Cupertino. The iPhone event just finished. Marquez and David are in Apple's, like, real campus, getting briefings, shooting the event, shooting the devices, getting hands-on, doing that whole thing.

• 2:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Dapping up speed.

• 2:18Speaker 02

  Dapping up speed. It just happened. Go watch the VOD. I'm hip, I know what it is. So since we are not actually allowed inside Apple campus to see anything, we are doing the second ever edition of Waveform Man on the Street, live from Cupertino. And we're just gonna poll random people and see what they think about the event, about the iPhone Duo, about that new thermal placing inside the A20 that lets...

• 2:46Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought you were gonna say the new CEO who also...

• 2:48Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 2:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, whatever, you know what I mean? It's someone else's turn. So...

• 2:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, first guess?

• 2:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, should we find our first victim?

• 3:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, we're lucky enough that two people have already shown up. And they're returners from last year, so we have to have them on. Who wants to come first?

• 3:10Speaker 02

  True waveform super fans may recognize him. His name is?

• 3:14Speaker 05

  Kavi.

• 3:15Speaker 02

  Kavi, welcome back.

• 3:16Speaker 05

  Thank you.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  Last time you were here, pretty much all we had to talk about was a vapor chamber and the color orange.

• 3:23Speaker 05

  Right.

• 3:24Speaker 02

  Now you're back and there's a ton to discuss. There's a new CEO, there's a whole new device. The watch isn't ceramic, I don't know, whatever. I guess we'll kick it off. How do you feel about the Duo? What thoughts are racing through your head about this thing?

• 3:39Speaker 05

  I thought it was pretty interesting. I'm really curious to see how durability will hold up and also how hot it's gonna get.

• 3:45Speaker 02

  Yeah. The internals of the phone are in the pill, or a lot of them are?

• 3:51Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, it really feels like they're doing the iPhone Air play again, right? Like, it seems like, I haven't gotten to confirming yet, but the battery doesn't have a vapor chamber. It's all-day battery life, but worse than... Like, it's this new hardware spectacle with potentially not as great specs.

• 4:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 4:08Speaker 05

  I forget, did the main camera on the Duo also have like that variable aperture thing they brought in on the Pro?

• 4:14Speaker 02

  No. It did not, which we kept trying to figure out what iPhone camera they plucked for that device. I think Andrew...

• 4:22Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it's the iPhone Air. I think Alex called it, yeah. He was like, this is just the Air's camera plus a telephoto.

• 4:27Speaker 05

  I guess that makes sense.

• 4:28Andrew Manganelli?

  I think it does make sense, because it's the thinner, they're used to doing it on that camera bar. It's almost exactly the same. It's the thinnest iPhone ever, which we all were assuming we were gonna get iPhone Air 2X. They like lobbed the... They gave it a haircut and made it a little shorter. But it is interesting. I'm wondering what crease will look like. Obviously, they're not gonna show a crease in any of the renders of things. But what are your thoughts on price? What were you thinking before you saw the price? And now what are your thoughts of seeing the $19.99?

• 4:57Speaker 05

  I think it's about what I expected.

• 4:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 4:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, I thought maybe it would be a bit more like... A little more expensive, like, I don't know, $2,300 or something.

• 5:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 5:07Speaker 05

  But I'm not shocked to see it here.

• 5:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Really, I am. I'm shocked to see an under $2. I mean, at $2.

• 5:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 5:15Speaker 02

  We all around the office were like, there's no... Is it gonna be $2,500? It's gonna be $2,700? We were expecting like a big, big giant price.

• 5:22Speaker 05

  Right.

• 5:24Speaker 02

  You have an interesting perspective. I feel like everyone uses folds in sort of different way. There's not like one use case. But, super fans may remember, you are in flight school, pursuing a commercial pilot's license. And last time you were here, we talked about all the different ways people use iPads in the cockpit. Do you think pilots will be using an open iPhone Duo in the cockpit?

• 5:48Speaker 05

  I think it could be really cool to see if, like, ForeFlight, Garmin Pilot, they provide an update to make it work.

• 5:57Speaker 05

  If they can get it to work, I think the primary concern would again be just cooling. iPads already overheat, like when you're flying, I don't know, over Bakersfield or something, then come back here. So hopefully it's not...

• 6:09Speaker 02

  Bakersfield mentioned.

• 6:10Speaker 05

  Hopefully it's not too much of an issue with the folding phone. But if they can solve that, I don't really think it would be too much...

• 6:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Despite?

• 6:18Speaker 05

  I see it as pretty likely.

• 6:20Andrew Manganelli?

  This might be a dumb question. I'm not a pilot, which should be painfully obvious. As the... When you use an iPad in the cockpit, you also have your phone. Now, if your phone is the tablet, I don't know how often you're potentially using your phone while you're flying a plane, does that pose an issue? Like, are most people used to not their personal device being the, you know, the tablet or screen for being a pilot? So now, now your personal device is being used for that. Is that an issue?

• 6:50Speaker 05

  I don't think so. The same app, ForeFlight, people can use both on iPad and iPhone.

• 6:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 6:57Speaker 05

  I know some people who would just fly without an iPad and just use their phone.

• 7:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 7:02Speaker 05

  But I think most people would use an iPad. So no, I don't see it as being an issue if it's like both devices being in one.

• 7:10Andrew Manganelli?

  I would have loved for you to tell me that nobody ever looks at their phone while they're flying a plane.

• 7:17Andrew Manganelli?

  But, okay, cool. I hope more people use this, so they're not...

• 7:20Speaker 05

  You're primarily looking outside, but like, instead of an iPad...

• 7:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Primarily, yeah. I wish it was all the time.

• 7:26Speaker 02

  The IFR conditions exist, man.

• 7:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it's supervised.

• 7:31Speaker 02

  We cannot escape the elephant in the room. This was our very first John Turnis hosted event. How do you think he did?

• 7:40Speaker 05

  I think he did pretty well. Didn't hear a good morning in the beginning.

• 7:43Speaker 02

  I know, I know.

• 7:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, we were wondering if it would be a new thing. He said hello and welcome. Do we think that is just a... A... Sorry, I got distracted by someone.

• 7:56Speaker 02

  Now that we're cut.

• 7:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Do we think that was just an intro right now and he's gonna keep it? Or do we think this is going to be a stick? I liked it, honestly. Hello and welcome, I'm down.

• 8:08Speaker 05

  I think it'll be a stick.

• 8:09Andrew Manganelli?

  You think it sticks with it? I think...

• 8:10Speaker 05

  Probably thought about it.

• 8:11Andrew Manganelli?

  So we didn't... Did anyone see any video of... Because usually they come out on stage and say something. Do we think he said any... He also said hello and welcome? I don't... I missed it.

• 8:21Speaker 02

  I don't know. Tim Cook has so much, like, he's able to say so much and also say so little at the same time. Like, his southern accent, this sort of like very stern face. And, but it's like stern but friendly he puts on. Like, I feel like it's so easy to think about who he is on the inside while watching Tim Cook speak. And I don't get that from John Turnis yet. He sort of just feels like blank executive. I don't remember what the first Tim Cook one of these was like, but I'm really curious if we'll eventually like form this vision.

• 8:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Admiration.

• 8:57Speaker 02

  The first thing I saw when he came on is I was like, what are those sneakers?

• 9:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Like, what are you... I feel like every tech exec ever has those exact sneakers.

• 9:06Speaker 02

  I know, except Tim Cook, who always came out with fire.

• 9:09Andrew Manganelli?

  One more thing about the event is this is, from as far as I can remember, the first time we didn't get the base iPhone at all mentioned. We went straight to the Pro. All the rumors are pointing to base iPhone comes out in spring, which is now presumably a second event or a third event. I don't even know with Dub Dub. Do we think that's weird? Do we think we're just in the new age of, you know, September event is just the big dogs? Although we got random AirPods, I'm confused, the more I say it out loud.

• 9:39Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think it's a little surprising. I'm not sure how many other companies really do that.

• 9:46Andrew Manganelli?

  That's a good, yeah. Like, Google does the A series later, but Apple's always done the SE or the whatever version E now at a different time. So I guess we're gonna get like base iPhone E, maybe Air in like a spring event kind of thing?

• 10:03Speaker 02

  I'm, I'm cool with that, man. As someone who for the past few years has had to make what felt like 10 million iPhone videos every September, the fact that I can spread out my year a little bit, you know, I will get, maybe we'll get new color, like it'll, I don't know.

• 10:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Arguably, the best part about this event was going home and knowing for main channel, we only have to make two videos. Like, we might even get to cover AirPods or something.

• 10:24Speaker 02

  And those two videos are AirPods 5 and Watch.

• 10:27Andrew Manganelli?

  And yeah, ceramic watch series.

• 10:29Speaker 02

  And ceramic watch. Dude, thanks so much for coming on again. It's always a pleasure to see you. We're gonna go search the seven Cs for another victim.

• 10:39Andrew Manganelli?

  And by search of seven Cs, he's standing right there because he also came to join her.

• 10:43Speaker 02

  Come on, man, ceramic player. Dude, I need a towel.

• 10:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm sweating so bad.

• 10:47Speaker 02

  This is great. You better leave that in. We are back with another guest, still Ellis, still Andrew, but now we have.

• 10:53Speaker 06

  Emily.

• 10:54Speaker 02

  Emily, thank you very much for joining us.

• 10:56Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 10:56Speaker 02

  You are a unique guest because you say you only watched the first 40 minutes of the event.

• 11:02Speaker 06

  I did. I sped run it on like three times speed as I was driving over here.

• 11:06Andrew Manganelli?

  That's awesome.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  And what did you think?

• 11:11Speaker 06

  Um, I think Mr. Turnus did a great job. The handoff was cute.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  Handoff was cute. I was really hoping they would do the, the Apple like, like where you touch the phone.

• 11:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Like contact sharing?

• 11:23Speaker 02

  The CEO position would like transfer over, but no.

• 11:26Speaker 06

  I, that would be a great use of that feature because I'm not sure that anyone uses that.

• 11:33Speaker 02

  I've tried to use it. I've tried to use it a lot and sometimes it even works. My problem with it is you can't select, and I know every time I say I have a problem with text, someone's like, Ellis, you're wrong. So I know it's gonna happen again. But I keep giving, accidentally giving out like really personal information because you can't, because you can't choose what parts of your contact get transferred over. So like, I'll be doing like a random business thing and then it's like, oh, you have my home address now. Like.

• 11:57Speaker 06

  But you're sharing your, you are actually trying to share your contact information.

• 12:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. But I wish it would just share my name, my phone number and my email. I'm sure I can change this and I'm just.

• 12:06Speaker 06

  It only happens when I like stack phones with friends and then it will accidentally happen.

• 12:12Speaker 02

  For me, it used to happen all the time. Also, when I wore an Apple Watch, I would accidentally initiate it between my watch and my phone all the time and it'd drive me insane. Okay, but back to the event. This is event, event talk. So you got iPhone 18 Pro.

• 12:25Speaker 06

  Sure, yeah.

• 12:26Speaker 02

  Thoughts on the colors? We haven't talked about colors yet.

• 12:28Andrew Manganelli?

  We haven't talked about colors yet.

• 12:30Speaker 06

  Um, I thought they looked nice. I'm, I'm repping the blue 13 Pro Max, so it's kind of reminiscent of.

• 12:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's a really similar blue.

• 12:41Speaker 06

  Um, I like the burgundy. I don't know if my shoes are in shot, but repping the burgundy shoes.

• 12:46Andrew Manganelli?

  They are very, yeah.

• 12:47Speaker 06

  Um, so the colors are trendy. I like that they're a little bit more muted, but still like really rich and like dual toned.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 12:57Andrew Manganelli?

  The Pros were allowed to have fun this year. Yeah, finally.

• 13:00Speaker 02

  Did you say jewel toned or dual toned?

• 13:02Speaker 06

  Jewel toned.

• 13:03Speaker 02

  Okay, because a conversation we were having is on the, on the 17 Pros, there's sort of this two-tone thing that happens between the glass and the aluminum. And it seemed like this year, they're flush.

• 13:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, well, they made a big deal about that, that the like aluminum and the glass are like tone matched.

• 13:20Speaker 02

  I like my panda iPhone. I was a little bummed, but.

• 13:23Speaker 06

  Well, you guys are caseless, right?

• 13:25Speaker 02

  This is.

• 13:26Andrew Manganelli?

  I thought you said tasteless and I was like, you're right, but that's a bold thing to say.

• 13:30Speaker 02

  This is the first phone in my life that's had a case on it. Not in my life, but since like middle school, it's had a, had a case on it. I don't know why.

• 13:38Andrew Manganelli?

  It's because you didn't care about your Mini and you finally care about this phone.

• 13:42Speaker 02

  No, it was indestructible. It was because I think I was planning on trading this in for a fold and I don't know if that's.

• 13:48Speaker 06

  Oh, okay.

• 13:49Speaker 02

  But I bought this phone with the intention of giving it up in a year for, um, because I think I bought this like right after it came out. No, a few months after.

• 13:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, so, oh, sorry. No, no, you go.

• 13:59Speaker 06

  Well, I was gonna transition to the fold. Yeah.

• 14:01Andrew Manganelli?

  She's locked in. Yeah, let's see. What was your segue?

• 14:04Speaker 06

  Oh, no.

• 14:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Come on, you had it.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:07Speaker 06

  Well, I was just gonna ask why you're not really like planning on going with the fold now that you've seen the.

• 14:14Speaker 02

  It's like the least tech reviewer reason ever. It's because I really wanna buy like a turbo beefcake GigaChad MacBook Pro right now. Like, I want a home computer that just like chugs. And I just, if I'm gonna spend like six grand on a computer, I can't justify adding $2,000 to that for like a weird iPad thing. But dude, the alarm clock, you didn't see the alarm clock thing.

• 14:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah. So what, clue us in on what you do know about Duo.

• 14:46Speaker 06

  So I know it's passport style. I know that's about it. It has like the rounded corners on the outside corners.

• 14:55Andrew Manganelli?

  On one side, but the other side. We didn't mention that. It's like a D almost, which is D for Duo. I don't know if they meant to do that. This proves that none of you guys listen to me when we're all watching the event together, probably because I'm talking too much.

• 15:06Speaker 02

  Wait, did you say that?

• 15:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes, I said it exactly then. Okay, yeah, it's very squat. It's got curved on the side. It's two cameras. The cameras seem to be from the iPhone Air, like the 48 megapixel Fusion wide, whatever, and then a telephoto. It is a choice. Battery life, all day, no surprise. Who knows what that means? And then, did you see the price?

• 15:30Speaker 06

  I did. So I also saw your short where everyone was kind of overshooting it.

• 15:35Andrew Manganelli?

  Alex was spot on. He said $19.99. Yes. We're never gonna live that down at home.

• 15:42Speaker 02

  How did they make it so cheap? It must have no RAM. It must just be RAMless.

• 15:47Speaker 06

  Well, the cameras.

• 15:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 15:50Andrew Manganelli?

  It's the AirPlay. It's the, it's the iPhone Air Play, but now just two of them and like a haircut because it's way shorter.

• 15:57Speaker 06

  Which might be the smart move if they wanna lower the price to get people to buy it.

• 16:03Andrew Manganelli?

  I agree.

• 16:04Speaker 06

  But you're kind of losing out on people like Ellis who want the beefy phone, right?

• 16:08Speaker 02

  No, I don't think I, I don't know. I don't know what I want.

• 16:13Speaker 06

  Looks to camera.

• 16:15Andrew Manganelli?

  So question, you're on a 13.

• 16:17Speaker 06

  Yes.

• 16:18Andrew Manganelli?

  Are you thinking of upgrading soon?

• 16:20Speaker 06

  Absolutely not.

• 16:20Andrew Manganelli?

  No? Okay.

• 16:22Speaker 06

  I'm planning on riding with this phone until it is, gets to the state of Ellis's 12 Mini.

• 16:31Andrew Manganelli?

  I do think more people should do that. I agree. I feel like treat how like we treat cars, like run until they literally won't drive you anymore. We're the worst people to say that because none of us follow those rules. Maybe Ellis a little bit. Not anymore.

• 16:42Speaker 02

  I will say a piece of advice, make sure, whatever your life is like, that financially you're able to make this a snap decision because as somebody who ran a phone into the dirt, one day either the phone will make that decision for you and you won't have a choice, or one day something will happen that makes you so angry that the only way to cure your anger will be to go and buy a new phone like in that moment. I think for me, I was literally out and about and I was like, no, I'm done. I'm done. And I went straight to the Apple store and bought this phone.

• 17:14Speaker 06

  Yeah. So at least how my phone's running right now. I feel like I got at least another two years.

• 17:19Speaker 02

  Do you have liquid glass on that thing?

• 17:21Speaker 06

  No.

• 17:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 17:22Speaker 06

  Oh, well, yes, actually. Yes, I do.

• 17:24Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 17:26Speaker 06

  The like UI stuff. Yeah. That doesn't like impact how it runs much, does it?

• 17:31Speaker 02

  They made it seem like you needed a crazy GPU to do all that like light processing.

• 17:35Andrew Manganelli?

  The developer beta was like, this thing's not going very well. And then they optimized it a bit better to have that. I don't know. But we mentioned before, before we got into the Duo, Ellis mentioned standby mode. Have you, so the new folding version is kind of sweet. You open it up a little bit, tent it, and now you have this standby, but also like the inside screen glows to reflect the colors on the, I'm just wondering if it's going to lock into place or is it at my nightstand slowly going to open until it goes face first onto the ground? But I thought that was one of those like, Apple makes folding phone, shows that they care a little more than everyone else who's made folding phones and like throws some features out people haven't thought of yet.

• 18:18Speaker 06

  It's a nice touch.

• 18:20Speaker 02

  I just think like, and I've said this before, I think standby mode, well, I forget what it, I think it's called standby mode, is like the coolest feature Apple's ever put in a phone. Like the fact that your phone is able to just like seamlessly integrate with a room. And so the fact that they took it even further, I was just like, this is, this is what, this is what I need from them. I do hope they make the hypothetical triangle shaped upside down taco wireless charger that would like complete it.

• 18:49Speaker 06

  And it would charge from the inside?

• 18:51Speaker 02

  Somehow. They'll figure it out. They've got a.

• 18:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Emily's our new host. You don't know what you're talking about.

• 18:58Speaker 02

  They've got trillions of dollars, literally. Okay, they'll figure it out.

• 19:01Speaker 06

  And they didn't make AirPlay work? Or what is it?

• 19:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Air power, air power, yeah.

• 19:05Speaker 02

  That's true. But some things are just impossible. But this.

• 19:09Andrew Manganelli?

  But not this thing that Ellis thought of right now. Yeah.

• 19:12Speaker 02

  Not this thing. Live translation, maybe. Stay.

• 19:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you have any final thoughts on?

• 19:19Speaker 06

  Well, I wanted to ask on what you guys thought of the name, because we're familiar with the name.

• 19:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes, thank you. Okay, I think that's why none of us are allowed to like it, because Microsoft has spoiled the name. But I do think the name makes sense to the average audience. I will always look at it poorly because Duo was one of the worst products that have ever come out.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  I kind of wish they called it a fold. I wonder if Samsung like trade, like they, no one else can call it a fold. It just feels so generic. No, no, everyone calls it a fold except for Apple. What am I talking about?

• 19:48Andrew Manganelli?

  What do you think of?

• 19:50Speaker 06

  Hmm, I mean, you can't name some, you can't name a folding device the Duo and not like think of the service Duo, but.

• 20:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Apple likes to not think about anyone else and pretend none of them exist. Although they did mention other folding phones a bunch, which they usually just would be like, this is a folding phone.

• 20:10Speaker 02

  Never done this before.

• 20:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Never seen this before, yeah.

• 20:13Speaker 02

  That is true. You said that when we were watching it and I didn't clock it, but yeah, they never, ever even acknowledged that other companies exist until today. And even today, they were just like, yeah, other, it's there. I don't know.

• 20:26Speaker 06

  I thought it was interesting that they didn't put a number behind it.

• 20:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Not yet. I guess the Duo 2 is gonna be kind of redundant.

• 20:34Speaker 02

  The new O.

• 20:36Speaker 06

  And then do you think they're gonna call it the two, or are they gonna slide it in like the Pixel Fold did with the rest of the lineup?

• 20:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, like.

• 20:45Speaker 02

  I think they're gonna do it like Nintendo does Mario Bros. And it's just always gonna be the new iPhone Duo.

• 20:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Which they've done with iPads for a while, but it doesn't match with the rest of their lineup on phones. And this is clearly a phone, unless they consider it an iPad. I don't know.

• 20:57Speaker 02

  And the iPads have is confusing, man. I'm always like, do I have a ninth or a 15th generation iPad? Like, what? Huh.

• 21:05Andrew Manganelli?

  That's a good question. Bet on what you think Duo 2 is gonna be called?

• 21:08Speaker 06

  Um, I mean, the two needs to be the Duo Duo.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  The Duo Duo.

• 21:13Speaker 06

  The Duo Trio.

• 21:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Duo Trio?

• 21:16Speaker 02

  Oh, my gosh.

• 21:17Andrew Manganelli?

  All right. I'm in.

• 21:19Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 21:19Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm in.

• 21:19Speaker 02

  You might have a career in marketing ahead of you.

• 21:22Speaker 06

  Oh, really?

• 21:22Speaker 02

  This is kind of next level, actually. The Duo Quattro?

• 21:26Speaker 06

  Duo Quattro.

• 21:29Speaker 02

  At what point do you reset and then make it the iPhone Trio Uno? And then Trio Duo?

• 21:34Andrew Manganelli?

  When it's three screens.

• 21:35Speaker 06

  The trio would be.

• 21:37Speaker 02

  Apple Trifold Confirmed? Question mark? Emily, thank you so much for coming on.

• 21:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, wait, wait. We have one more question. You told us something right before we started.

• 21:45Speaker 06

  Sure.

• 21:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Which is that you were in Zaragoza at the same time that we were.

• 21:48Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Were you, I mean, I'm gonna take a guess on what you were doing there.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  What were you doing there?

• 21:53Andrew Manganelli?

  How's your trip?

• 21:54Speaker 06

  It was amazing. It was amazing. Um, I did not get to explore Zaragoza that much. I was on a train from Madrid to Barcelona and just watched the eclipse from the train station.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  Whoa.

• 22:06Speaker 06

  Yeah. So I was like, I saw your stories all leading up to it and I'm like, maybe? And then I'm like, oh, they're, they're, no.

• 22:13Andrew Manganelli?

  We were pretty quick. I think we got to be in Zaragoza for like 24 hours. 16 of that was filming and setting up for it.

• 22:19Speaker 06

  Yeah, yeah. So.

• 22:21Andrew Manganelli?

  That's funny.

• 22:22Speaker 06

  That's why I had to come today.

• 22:23Andrew Manganelli?

  That's awesome.

• 22:24Speaker 06

  Yeah.

• 22:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, well, thank you so much for joining us. That was awesome.

• 22:26Speaker 06

  Thank you very much.

• 22:27Speaker 02

  Great, Emily.

• 22:28Andrew Manganelli?

  We back.

• 22:29Speaker 02

  We're back. We back! We're back. I'm running out of cool and interesting ways to queue these in. Uh, but we are here with?

• 22:37Speaker 05

  Adrian Santos. My channel name is Tech Santos. I'm a tech YouTuber from Mexico.

• 22:42Speaker 02

  Sick.

• 22:43Speaker 05

  Yes. I've been coming to Apple events for, this is my fifth iPhone event.

• 22:48Speaker 02

  Really?

• 22:48Speaker 05

  So it's, it's been a while now. I'm starting to be a little bit more veteran, a little bit less scared with all the chaos going on.

• 22:55Andrew Manganelli?

  I mean, it is chaotic and this is probably a fairly chaotic one because you've got quite a big thing to cover.

• 23:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 23:02Andrew Manganelli?

  What are your thoughts first? Like, this is a very different vibe. One new CEO, one brand, two brand new device, two Duo new device. A lot of things were different about it. What struck you as the most interesting, the most different?

• 23:15Speaker 05

  Uh, definitely the Duo. I'm sure everyone's talking about that. But, um, my big question with the Apple's first foldable was what are they gonna do different from Samsung, Huawei, Oppo, Xiaomi? Like, they all have foldables, right? So I'm like, what's Apple gonna bring to the table? And they, I think they nailed it with the, with the software. The, especially the, like, moving the little tab to the right where you can like access it. Because having a square screen or square-ish screen is kind of weird, because, um, reaching over to the, it's not really comfortable. And just moving it to the side, I thought was brilliant. And I can't wait for everyone else to copy that.

• 23:55Andrew Manganelli?

  That's funny. It also like works perfectly because you can be a right dock user on Mac already. And it just, we know what that looks like already. And then they added the, I forget what it's called, but now like notifications and some settings panels are in that right side above, like all into one now. I think like Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, all those are in the same. It was pretty obvious software was gonna be the thing that they nailed.

• 24:16Speaker 05

  Yeah, the animation when you open it and like fades into the other screen, that's just like so Apple.

• 24:23Andrew Manganelli?

  We just asked our previous guest, does it look as good in person as it did in the event?

• 24:27Speaker 05

  It does. It does look as good. I tried opening it a couple of times and I did it like slowly to see if it, how it would react. And I actually opened it like, I don't know, halfway. And if you look from the front side, it's fading out. And if you look from the inside, it's fading in. Like, as you actually open it up, it does that, both animations at the same time.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  They've done it again.

• 24:49Speaker 05

  It's, it's, it's nuts.

• 24:51Andrew Manganelli?

  They know how to do. Do you think it's something that will get old after a while? It's like, you know how we all like our animations and then we're like, okay, 0.5x speed this, I just need to get stuff done? Or do you think it's gonna stay, you're gonna?

• 25:02Speaker 02

  You, you speed up the animations on your phone because they bore you?

• 25:05Andrew Manganelli?

  You don't. It makes it faster. It makes everything faster.

• 25:08Speaker 05

  It does make it faster.

• 25:09Andrew Manganelli?

  It makes it faster.

• 25:10Speaker 02

  That's the most gen, brain rot thing.

• 25:11Andrew Manganelli?

  No, it's not. It's the most Android thing ever.

• 25:15Speaker 05

  It's so you can watch TikToks faster.

• 25:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:19Speaker 02

  I'm sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt you, but, sorry.

• 25:21Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, sorry, sorry, sorry.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  Crease?

• 25:24Speaker 05

  Uh, no crease. It's, um, if you're like really, really picky, you can feel it like, I say it's like 95%, you can't feel it. But you can like 5% feel it, just a little bit if you're looking for it. But it doesn't like visually, no crease at all.

• 25:43Speaker 05

  Which is really, really cool. And also, the other thing, you were asking about the event, um, the people. I was recording my video for my YouTube channel and Speed just starts walking along.

• 25:54Andrew Manganelli?

  We haven't asked anyone about Speed yet.

• 25:56Speaker 05

  And I turned around, I'm like, yo, Speed! And he turns to my camera and is like, yo, what's up? And that was like the coolest moment ever.

• 26:02Andrew Manganelli?

  That's pretty cool.

• 26:03Speaker 05

  Only happens at Apple events.

• 26:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, he had a wild amount of viewers on his stream during it.

• 26:08Speaker 05

  He was live streaming?

• 26:09Andrew Manganelli?

  So he was like in a room on the side with a green screen. So he was live streaming, uh, like, you know, cut out over the event going on. And then he was like trying to prove to his audience. I think when we turned it on, it was literally just like him going like, W's in the chat. And we're like, oh, my gosh. We're, we're streaming these to a new level of, a new.

• 26:30Speaker 05

  But he wasn't like running and gunning all over the place. It was like sandboxed.

• 26:34Speaker 02

  During the event, he, he had the event on a green screen behind him and he was watching.

• 26:38Andrew Manganelli?

  And then he left the room and went out onto the hands-on where you were. I think he like grabbed, he was, the best part of it was he was like practicing what to say to John Turner. And he was like, yo, what's up? Love the A20. And like, you just like could tell he like didn't really, which is so hilarious. I love that he like was getting into it.

• 26:55Speaker 02

  I know.

• 26:56Speaker 05

  But that speaks to like Apple's marketing expanding to including different people and from Mexico specifically. You know Memo Ochoa, the soccer player?

• 27:06Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't.

• 27:06Speaker 05

  He's a six-time World Cup goalie for Mexico.

• 27:10Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, I do remember.

• 27:11Speaker 05

  You remember the memes about the wall of this guy that was like, uh, he, he's been to the World Cup six times. He's one of the most famous soccer players in, in Mexico. Football, I say soccer because whatever. Um, but he came to the Apple event.

• 27:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, really?

• 27:27Speaker 05

  I saw him, I got a picture with him. It was really cool.

• 27:29Andrew Manganelli?

  That's really cool.

• 27:30Speaker 05

  And they're bringing like, like one of the most famous football players from Mexico. I thought that was also really interesting.

• 27:37Andrew Manganelli?

  That's sweet.

• 27:38Speaker 02

  It is interesting because like, sorry, Andrew, did you want to?

• 27:41Speaker 05

  No.

• 27:41Speaker 02

  I was gonna say, it is interesting because the speed thing, there was a moment when they were talking about the, the A20. And they're talking about how they swapped some of the cores around and, and they moved the CPU in the phone so that it has direct contact with the vapor chamber. And I just kept thinking like, how much overlap is there with, between Speed's audience and like silicon? You know, like?

• 28:03Andrew Manganelli?

  I think he was probably trying to entertain during that part, knowing his audience was like, what is a vapor chamber?

• 28:09Speaker 02

  No, but it's, it is just interesting like how I, I, I want to say I feel for Apple, but it's such a tough thing to like. You need to get all this technical information out there for people like us who like do care about the cores and the chip. And then you're also trying to make, do the general public care about a chip? You know?

• 28:30Speaker 05

  I think it's for different audiences. Speed, I mean, I think you're right. And Speed's audience is probably wanting to know about like the camera or like how the fold works or multitasking or like

• 28:40Speaker 02

  Battery.

• 28:40Speaker 05

  general purpose, daily stuff. Um, but that's why they bring people from all.

• 28:46Speaker 02

  Right.

• 28:47Speaker 05

  All walks of life.

• 28:49Speaker 02

  Well, speaking of camera, did you get a chance to use the camera on the Fold?

• 28:52Speaker 05

  Yes, I did. Um, there's like a lot going on with the camera. Uh, so you can like put it up like a laptop and.

• 29:00Andrew Manganelli?

  And you can shoot this way, you can put up like a laptop and shoot the other way. Um, you can uh do the the thing where you're using the main cameras with the selfie. Oh, like backwards? Yeah. And actually holding it, since the device is a bit more horizontal, holding it like this with the cameras on top and the like the screen on the bottom. I think that's gonna be like the new vlogging meta. It's really comfortable. It's like a Sony like flip up screen. Yeah. Yeah, it's like a flip up screen and it it works so well. It works really, really cool. Um, I'm definitely gonna use it for that.

• 29:35Speaker 02

  Uh, sorry, Andrew.

• 29:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Are you gonna? No, no, that's okay. You said you're definitely gonna use it. Oh, I guess you're gonna review it. Um, we're trying to find someone who actually thinks of it being their main device. Do you see it? Yeah. Okay, you're the first person out of like six so far. A lot of people are like, yeah, cool. Nah. Nah, definitely my main device. Like, I'm gonna miss the the telephoto. That might be your main device if you break that on camera.

• 30:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, it it should be, like, I'll miss the telephoto camera. I like, uh. It does have telephoto, no? Not a lot. I thought it was 12 megapixel telephoto and then it had the 48. It's ultra wide. Fusion ultra wide. It's like the main camera and the ultra wide. Is it? Okay, then I've been saying literally everything wrong. I need to double check that. I really thought they said the.

• 30:22Speaker 02

  The fusion camera is the one with the ultra wide and there's a separate 12 megapixel telephoto, I thought.

• 30:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, maybe I'm wrong. We should, you should double check that. Everyone says we're wrong anyway, so it doesn't matter if we are. Someone's wrong. We'll fact check that. We can fact check it. Um, I I like, I used the device, right? So it has a the 1X, it has the 2X, and it has the 0.5X. Yeah, so. So there's no 4X and no 8X like on the Pro. So I think that's why there's no telephoto lens.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  Okay, interesting.

• 30:55Andrew Manganelli?

  It should be the ultra wide, which is 0.5, and then the normal, which is 1X, and then 2X optical zoom, but it's just like the sensor. Okay. But it was a bit confusing because I had the same, on on the keynote, they said like telephoto and then it's like not, it was a little bit weird. They did a lot of that, I feel like, a lot of kind of like going back and forth between things and I would be like, oh, this is that, I wrote it down. Oh, no, now we're talking about something else. Or, what, they said silicon in the battery? Now we're not talking about the battery anymore. So that part was a little confusing. What do you think of the price? Uh, 2,000. You heard like all sorts of rumors, like 2, 2,500 and then like, I'm starting to think that Apple plants those rumors.

• 31:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Like 2,500, $3,000, and then they come out with the 2,000. So everyone's like, oh, it's not too bad. Um, because that's what I'm thinking. It's not too bad. If you're getting like an iPad Mini and an iPhone in one device. iPad Mini is what? $500? An iPhone is like $1,000 or a little bit more? I mean, I think during Ramaghen and it just being Apple notoriously expensive, I expected 2,500. I was very surprised by 19. I I I think it's gonna do really well. I think it will sell and it will be my main device, definitely. Because I I just enjoy the form factor. It feels fresh. It feels different. The animations are just, everything like flows perfectly. You're glowing.

• 32:19Andrew Manganelli?

  I was doing the multitasking thing and um so you open an app on the multitasking and on on the other side you get like a whole other iPhone. Like if you quit one, the app on the left side, you get a whole other iPhone and you just, you can tap away and open another app. It's like, it works just really well. They did really good on the software.

• 32:38Speaker 02

  You're making me want it.

• 32:41Speaker 02

  This is annoying.

• 32:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I mean, you'll try it when you get like the review unit and all that stuff. You can decide.

• 32:48Speaker 02

  I'll have to get it out of Marquez's hands.

• 32:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Can I ask a quick question of, so when you're not there, you were at the event, we were not, there's generally a time where the CEO will come out and speak to the audience for a couple of minutes. In the video, John Turnus said hello and welcome, correct? Did he say the same thing on stage? Because we're trying to figure out if this is going to be a repetitive thing, like a good morning. Catchphrase? Yeah, yeah, yeah, a catchphrase. Uh, uh, there was no catchphrase. He just came out and it was a little bit weird. I didn't hear like the first word. He was just like, I think he said hi, maybe? But it was like, or. It wasn't very memorable, apparently. It's not a great catchphrase.

• 33:29Andrew Manganelli?

  It wasn't memorable, but he he did say something really cool. He said, um, in, uh, I've been 25 years at Apple and I never thought I would like get to have this role and I'm very excited. And like, he did like a two, one minute speech, which was, it was fun. And then he went off stage and the keynote started. And he he also came out on the hands-on area. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So people were giving like selfies with him and the same as Tim Cook used to do. Yeah, yeah. He got on Speed Stream. Yeah, but he got on Speed Stream? Yeah, yeah, he is speed like waited for him. They took a selfie with the camera and everything with the duo. That's cool. It was funny.

• 34:05Speaker 02

  So you got to test a bunch of the stuff of the cameras, you said. Did you get to use the under-screen camera? Because this is the first Apple under-screen camera that I can think of.

• 34:14Andrew Manganelli?

  It's it's interesting. I I like, I like the little details, so I always focus on that. Um, it, if it's turned off, you see the whole screen. But if you look carefully, it does look a little bit, like you you can tell where it is. The pixels are like, I think the pixels are bigger or smaller. I don't know what it is. Um, but it it if you look for it, you can see it. Okay. Um, and once you open the selfie camera, what I thought was interesting, um, you turn on the selfie camera and it's not only uh like a perfect circle. You get a little bit like a pill shape. Yeah. And the pill shape is so you can see the green indicator. Recording light.

• 34:50Andrew Manganelli?

  The the recording light, yeah. So you get that like pill box, which is like all in one with the camera turned on and the pill, the green light at the at the side of it. I am interested to see that because that felt like something they glossed over very quickly in the event. It was like, oh, yeah, and it's hidden for FaceTime and here it is, and then something else. So I'm, because we haven't seen an under-display camera in so long. I didn't really test the like the quality. It looks fine. I I don't know if it's like worse quality than the other selfie camera, but it is interesting that they put it under the screen. Yeah. Thank you so much for joining us again. If you want to tell the camera where people can find you. Uh, yeah, just tech Santos everywhere, TikTok, Instagram, uh, Twitter, YouTube, of course. My main thing is uh YouTube.

• 35:33Andrew Manganelli?

  My content is in Spanish. If you speak Spanish or want to learn Spanish, you can head over there. Uh, I think it's AI dubbed, but it sucks. No. Yeah. Watch it in Spanish. But thank you for having me on. I'm a big fan of Waveform, so this is a really cool experience for me too, and hopefully we'll do it again. Yeah, of course. Thanks for joining us. Cool. Cool.

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• 37:11Speaker 02

  One, two, three and to the four. We're back because you wanted some more with.

• 37:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Dru, Dru Mohan.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  What's so funny? What's so funny?

• 37:19Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm sorry, what was your name, I don't know?

• 37:20Speaker 02

  Say it in my face.

• 37:21Andrew Manganelli?

  It's Dru Mohan. I'm from India. Great to meet you. Yeah, thanks for joining us. Thank you so much.

• 37:25Speaker 02

  And you are wearing the journalist badge. Who do you write for? Who do you work for? What do you do? Tell us about yourself.

• 37:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Absolutely. So I actually cover consumer technology and AI as well for The Economic Times. It's an Indian publication. And it's my second Apple iPhone event. So I'm glad to be here again and doing this with you guys.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  Okay, so we got into it and I stopped our really interesting conversation because I wanted to have it on camera about batteries.

• 37:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 37:51Speaker 02

  Because we're both excited. There's silicon in the battery. We've been waiting for this. Marquez, I'm sure, is just over the moon about this. Um, but I, you brought up a really interesting point that they never called it like a silicon carbon or a silicon carbon battery, like you hear a lot of Chinese folks. Unless I missed it in the event, but I didn't hear it.

• 38:10Andrew Manganelli?

  We were confused. We heard them say silicon. They said it multiple times, yeah. Yes, and we were like, does that confirm it? I don't know. They moved on already. It was quick. And they said it for both the Pros and the Pro as well. They said it for the both of them.

• 38:20Speaker 02

  When we were talking to Samsung and we were trying to ask them like, is this silicon carbon battery? They kept saying, no, but it has a little silicon.

• 38:31Andrew Manganelli?

  I was actually there in London when it launched.

• 38:32Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 38:33Andrew Manganelli?

  So uh, in the, during the briefings as well, we really had to get it out of them. Uh, but they were quite open about it. Once they mentioned how the entire hand situation is working on the Ultra, so that's how they opened it about, so.

• 38:45Speaker 02

  So and battery size got reduced. Um, they were making the point that the the this new smaller battery has the same battery life as the 17 Pro and then blah blah, or 17, whatever.

• 38:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. More. Oh, 17 Pro, the 18. Pro regular is more than the 17 Pro Max. That's what you're getting, yeah.

• 39:02Speaker 02

  Um, so you're excited that the iPhone finally has some silicon in its battery?

• 39:06Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. So I'll give you a context. I actually was using the 15 Pro and the 16 Pro, the regular, uh, the regular variants. And last year I finally got to test the 17 Pro Max and the battery capacity that jumped from, in that device itself, I was really happy. And frankly speaking, I like the charging speeds as well. I'm not really, I'm not going to vilify it unnecessarily. It's quite good. But today, what we have seen, especially with the 15 minute charging time that we saw, that it can go from 0 to 50. Uh, in 15 minutes, that's what they're claiming. I think the number will be very close to that because optimization has always been Apple's forte. So I am really looking forward to test that feature particularly.

• 39:44Speaker 02

  Why do you think Apple sort of danced around with their words, calling it like a silicon carbon battery?

• 39:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Because it's Apple. They do that with everything. Actually, I'll be honest with you. I don't want to look, sound like a fanboy, but I I feel that two technical details is something that generally what Chinese do. Uh, the consumers that.

• 40:03Speaker 07

  Apple is taking care of, do not want to get into that much detail.

• 40:07Andrew Manganelli?

  That's fair.

• 40:07Speaker 07

  I feel that way a lot of times because I've been covering it for a while. And you guys would know more, I mean, of course.

• 40:13Andrew Manganelli?

  No, right.

• 40:13Speaker 07

  But I feel that, you know, the language is generally for the enthusiast crowd. For example, when Marcus is always talking about the OnePlus 15 battery and everything. That's a crowd, at the end of the day, OnePlus is an enthusiast device. At the end of the day, I mean, that's how it, the inception is like that. But the iPhone has always been for the masses. And I think you don't really need to get into that grammar to explain the feature. That's what I feel.

• 40:38Andrew Manganelli?

  I think that's what I meant by their Apple, like, when has Apple said a milliamp hour? When have they said a RAM?

• 40:43Speaker 07

  They have never, yeah.

• 40:44Andrew Manganelli?

  They just never, ever do that.

• 40:45Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 40:45Andrew Manganelli?

  Storage, maybe, and like, what?

• 40:47Speaker 07

  The word is optimization.

• 40:48Andrew Manganelli?

  All day battery life, yeah, yeah.

• 40:49Speaker 07

  The word is optimization. That's the word, and it works really well, so.

• 40:52Andrew Manganelli?

  They did, and they did say, you said you were excited for battery. Did they not say this was the biggest battery improvement of any iPhone generation ever?

• 40:59Speaker 07

  Absolutely, yeah.

• 41:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Which I'm also wondering what they're meaning because are they talking about base 17? Because we didn't get base 18, so do they get to make the comparison? That's one thing Apple likes to do, their comparisons, and never really say exactly what they're comparing it to.

• 41:12Speaker 07

  But I think today, I felt that they were a bit lenient today because the performance numbers that they had shown was against the 16 Pro and the 17 Pro Max. So, gotta give it to them for that, at least they were very, and the numbers were quite.

• 41:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 41:24Speaker 07

  The leap was quite impressive.

• 41:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it was.

• 41:27Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 41:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Duo, we have to talk about.

• 41:29Speaker 02

  Sorry, I have one battery question.

• 41:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 41:32Speaker 02

  I'm curious, because iPhones, almost to the point of like conspiracy, are notorious for having battery drops. Or the quality of the battery drops over the course of the iPhone's lifetime.

• 41:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 41:44Speaker 02

  Do you think we will see more of that now that there's some silicon in the battery?

• 41:49Speaker 07

  I honestly, I used to, it's not a myth, this has been observed over time. But at least for the last three devices that I've tested, we had the 15 Pro, 16 Pro, and the 17 Pro Max. I did not feel that way. To give you, I'll give you an example, the 15 Pro that I, I still have that, and the battery health is about 78% right now.

• 42:10Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 42:10Speaker 07

  So, and I've used it extensively. Because generally, my iPhones are the products that I shoot with, and I travel across with it. MWC, EFA, I was just at EFA, I was shooting with an iPhone. So, no, not really, I mean, I, I think, I don't know, it's, maybe the Indian variants are different, but it's, it's not like that, at least that's what I've observed, I don't know.

• 42:28Speaker 02

  Sick, all right, now we can talk about.

• 42:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Now we can talk about Duo.

• 42:30Speaker 07

  Yeah, let's get to it.

• 42:30Andrew Manganelli?

  First thing I want to ask you.

• 42:31Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 42:31Andrew Manganelli?

  Name.

• 42:32Speaker 07

  But I have to firstly say that it's very expensive in India.

• 42:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, I'm sure, yeah, I know.

• 42:38Speaker 07

  So, that's first thing, it's about three lakhs, it's 300,000 for the people in America.

• 42:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 42:43Speaker 07

  We can't say lakhs in America, I've been told, so 300,000. We do have an appetite for expensive phones, and then we do not care about the naming and all the nomenclature.

• 42:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 42:53Speaker 07

  So, honestly, I, I don't mind the name, to be frank with you, yeah.

• 42:58Andrew Manganelli?

  I think the only reason some people don't like it is because of the Microsoft Duo.

• 43:01Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 43:02Andrew Manganelli?

  And that's, now I've said Mike, Microsoft's getting more press from the, the Apple release than they ever had for their actual Duo right now.

• 43:09Speaker 07

  A lot of my thoughts and opinions come from an Indian context, and the Duo was never a big hit in Microsoft, from, in India, actually.

• 43:16Andrew Manganelli?

  It was not a big hit either, either.

• 43:17Speaker 07

  Anywhere, yes, but in India, it was not very, people are not aware about the device at all, majority of them. The Duo name is actually associated with Asus laptops that we get in India.

• 43:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes, okay.

• 43:27Speaker 07

  So, and that is a big hit, by the way, in India. So, honestly, I don't think that, at least the name is going to have a problem in my market, in my country. I don't think so, yeah.

• 43:36Andrew Manganelli?

  That's cool, that's interesting. Any other thoughts about Duo we have? I mean, I know you said price is extremely expensive for you, so, I mean, for us, we were actually surprised it was cheaper. I'm not trying to call it cheap, but it was less than we all thought Apple was going to make it.

• 43:50Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, certainly.

• 43:51Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 43:51Speaker 07

  Certainly, see, I, it's expensive, but we have to also take into consideration that the entire global crisis that's happening right now, this is something that the, you know, that the consumers have understood. Because a little bit of more context from an Indian perspective, like you have Black Friday sales in, in America, we, back in India, Diwali sales are very huge, and that's when we see a big drop in prices.

• 44:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 44:14Speaker 07

  So, what happens is that this time around, we are not seeing that trend. So naturally, around, so there are two, three spikes that we see in sales in India. One is in August, and one is in November, come Diwali. And so far, in August, the sales were not really, like, we did not see any spike in sales because of the price drop particularly. So, the audience is actually very well aware, the consumers are aware that this is a crisis that's happening.

• 44:35Andrew Manganelli?

  This is for sure.

• 44:35Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the device is, the device looks good, I'll be, I'll be honest with you. I tested it out, I really like the optimization.

• 44:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Wait, oh, yeah, you're, okay, you're the first person we're talking to that I've seen it.

• 44:44Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 44:44Andrew Manganelli?

  We obviously, because like, we only saw it on the event, Apple is clearly going to make sure it looks perfect all the time. Did you get to see a crease?

• 44:52Speaker 07

  No.

• 44:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Really?

• 44:53Speaker 07

  You can watch my video.

• 44:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 44:55Speaker 07

  It's live.

• 44:56Andrew Manganelli?

  It's live already?

• 44:57Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 44:57Andrew Manganelli?

  That's impressive.

• 44:57Speaker 02

  How?

• 44:58Speaker 07

  I edited it at the Steve's office, I sat on the floor and I edited the video on my MacBook.

• 45:02Andrew Manganelli?

  That's awesome.

• 45:03Speaker 02

  Damn.

• 45:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, I don't shoot on Red camera, so I can manage, I can manage this.

• 45:08Andrew Manganelli?

  That's awesome, okay, so you didn't feel you saw a crease?

• 45:10Speaker 02

  No crease, no, no.

• 45:12Andrew Manganelli?

  None at all.

• 45:13Speaker 07

  And the ceramic, by the way?

• 45:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Mm-hmm.

• 45:15Speaker 07

  It's pretty good, the quality is really good.

• 45:18Speaker 02

  I thought it was really funny that there's ceramic shield one on the back and ceramic shield two on the front.

• 45:22Speaker 07

  I mean, at the end of the day, if, you know, they have to take care of the front display more because, I mean, let's be honest, majority of the usage is going to be closed up, I feel.

• 45:32Andrew Manganelli?

  I, I think you're right with that, but also just like, the, the interior screen has to fold. The exterior screen doesn't have to fold, so it's going to inevitably be.

• 45:40Speaker 07

  I spent about 20 minutes with the device and I, inside, inside Apple Park, and I realized that it's a very well put together device, because they have taken their sweet time to build it, right?

• 45:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 45:48Speaker 07

  They have, they have a lot of.

• 45:49Andrew Manganelli?

  They're seven generations behind Samsung, and yeah.

• 45:52Speaker 07

  Yeah, so it, it does look good, and I have to say, the software optimization, especially the information bar that you pop down, the new change that they have done, it looks really good.

• 46:01Andrew Manganelli?

  Cool.

• 46:01Speaker 02

  Do the animations, wow, I have so many questions now that I just realized that you actually touched this thing.

• 46:06Speaker 07

  You work with the god of YouTube, you can ask him.

• 46:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, we're not gonna see, they haven't.

• 46:11Speaker 02

  We, when we were watching things, we felt like some of the animations looked a little choppy, and we weren't sure if it was our bad hotel TV. Did the animations seem iPhone smooth, or?

• 46:21Speaker 07

  Honestly, I was a bit, I was a bit skeptical about the one that, when it opens up, so the transition animation.

• 46:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Like the gradient, yeah, yeah.

• 46:29Speaker 07

  So I was a bit skeptical about that, but at least the ones that I have seen inside, they were really smooth.

• 46:34Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 46:35Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, they were really smooth.

• 46:36Andrew Manganelli?

  And, and it gave that same sense of like opening, even when you're not like straight up.

• 46:40Speaker 07

  The continuity was like there, yeah.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 46:41Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 46:42Speaker 02

  Cool, man.

• 46:42Speaker 07

  I felt that way at least, yeah. I am thoroughly impressed with the device, and I'm sure that in India, we will be very receptive about it, for sure.

• 46:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Cool.

• 46:50Speaker 07

  Come October.

• 46:50Speaker 02

  Before we let you go get some AC, where can people find your video?

• 46:55Speaker 07

  You can check out Economic Times, it's on, it's, you know, on YouTube, it's on Instagram, and you can check it out on my LinkedIn as well, Dhruv Mohan, peace.

• 47:03Speaker 02

  Cool, Dhruv, thank you so much.

• 47:05Speaker 07

  Thank you so much, I just want to talk to you. Thank you.

• 47:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Thanks for joining us.

• 47:08Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, thank you. Thank you.

• 47:09Speaker 02

  Welcome back to the Heat Form Sweatcast, sponsored by Perspiration. I am here right now with Brett, who you may remember from last year.

• 47:20Speaker 05

  Happy to be back.

• 47:21Speaker 02

  Sweet, well, thanks for agreeing to speak to us again. I'm glad we weren't horrifying monsters, I don't know why, this is not working, you gotta, you gotta.

• 47:28Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, well, I want to start off with, I remember when you joined us last year, the, the very first thing learning about the type of content you meant was, make was, I think you said you'd made 24 videos already by the time we talked to you?

• 47:41Speaker 05

  I think I've upped that.

• 47:42Andrew Manganelli?

  You've, I wanted to ask, where are you right now? We are approximately, what, three, three and a half hours after the event?

• 47:48Speaker 05

  I'm approaching 30, I think I'm in my high twenties.

• 47:51Speaker 02

  30 videos?

• 47:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, I, I don't want to make myself up to be this crazy production machine. To be fair, a lot of those are, what's been really successful in the past is just clipping the keynote, and I've got this crazy setup of like, three phones, my hack this year, usually a big problem when uploading a ton of clips, is just like bandwidth to get on the internet. If the wifi is awful, if your cell service awful, so this year, I bought six eSIMs from six different providers, and I have them rotating to make sure that I have the service to go through, and then I'm constantly clipping as it goes.

• 48:24Andrew Manganelli?

  I need a behind the scenes, like, day in the life of you at one of these events, because it's fascinating, listening to how you pull this on.

• 48:30Speaker 05

  I love it, it's, it's cool, it's like an ever longing problem that I will never solve, that I'll just continue chipping away at.

• 48:36Speaker 02

  So what has been the standout announcements, features, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, for you?

• 48:42Speaker 05

  I mean, there's, there's the big obvious one, which I almost don't even want to talk about because it's so obvious. It's the iPhone Duo, it's really cool, a lot we could talk about there. But there were two that I don't think got enough hype. One for me is the AirPods 5.

• 48:54Speaker 02

  Okay, I was gonna make a joke, be like, AirPods 5, right, everyone's talking about it.

• 48:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, it's, it's even, and I feel like it's even more so than they deserve. Obviously, it's really cheap, but like, I love the in-ear style bud. I used the AirPods 4 ANC for ages, until I reached for my AirPods Pro 3 and I realized. How good the noise cancellation was. Uh, and then all of a sudden I missed the noise cancellation and I missed my little swipe stem. Um, now seeing that lower price point with the ANC and the swipe stem, I think that like solves.

• 49:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:25Speaker 05

  AirPod for me.

• 49:26Speaker 02

  It almost feels like they're trying to move away from like a pro, non-pro distinction and just make it like the same product offering, but one has tips. Or at least that's where it felt like they were pushing.

• 49:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Ear shape.

• 49:36Speaker 05

  Hoping for.

• 49:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, like I think that could seriously come down to some people just like how it fits in their ears better. Yeah, I don't like the regular ones. I need the tip on it, but not everyone.

• 49:44Speaker 05

  To me, like I wear them, uh, it's insane. I wear them obviously nine to five as I'm working. I wear them when I work out. I actually wear AirPods while I sleep. I like the active noise cancellation. I usually listen to YouTube videos and the, when I wear the pros, they kind of stick in my ear. You lay in the pillow, they like dig in there. The, I love that the in-ear style, they just kind of sit in there nicely. They're not too invasive and they just, they just fit my ear better. So I, I've, since the pro three is a, were announced, I've always said the, I, as long, I wish we had these pro features on the AirPods and.

• 50:16Speaker 02

  You got them.

• 50:17Speaker 05

  John Turnus. Now we're, now we're here.

• 50:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. And you said two things.

• 50:21Speaker 05

  Yeah. The other, the other thing I think was a really big deal. I don't, I mean, you said, everybody's talking about it. I've just been editing videos. I don't know what everybody's talking about necessarily.

• 50:29Speaker 02

  We don't really either, to be honest.

• 50:32Speaker 05

  The really big, I forgot what it's called too, but it was Apple's heart, basically a hardware version of synth ID for images.

• 50:37Speaker 02

  Yeah. Oh, yes. Reference photo.

• 50:40Speaker 05

  Reference photo. That's what it was. I think that's a really good, a lot of the bigger companies like Google did a lot of it where they're kind of just facing in their presentations that, hey, AI is kind of scary. You're right. Uh, and I think this was a really good step towards that. I think the execution of it on the hardware level is really good. I think, uh, stuff like that's always so tricky to communicate and consumers, it's so fricking cool and the implications of it are pretty incredible. It's going to be hard, even as a creator that explains these things in layman's terms to really communicate how good and impressive that is that it's there, but I'm happy it is.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  That's the first time it's come up all, for us all day, actually.

• 51:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Well, we've been asking pretty pointed questions on Duo and John Turnus. So it, it was something we were all like, wow, this is cool. It does always have that issue of like, all these companies trying to have something in the metadata for Gen AI, but the issue with it is, is I think the most people who are going to get tricked by something like that are never going to go the extra steps, but I like, I guess that's the give and take. It is cool that you can straight up just see like, no, this was the OG picture and that's, that's impressive.

• 51:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:44Speaker 05

  And it's, and done at the hardware level. I mean, there's all this stuff on synth ID. There's all these ways to get around it. Some of them are a lot more simpler than they probably like to admit. Um, but I think again, it's for the laypeople who don't even want to know what synth ID is and that weird edge case where their image gets out there and they need to know the, the originating. I, I just, I think it's cool and I think it's does very little net harm for how much benefit.

• 52:04Andrew Manganelli?

  For sure. Yeah.

• 52:04Speaker 02

  And if they can integrate it with the ecosystem, you know, if you're browsing in Safari, you can, being able to right click on an image and run a verification check in your browser would just be incredible in Safari.

• 52:17Speaker 05

  Well, that's like, you think about like, I mean, I don't know about you guys, like I, not my parents necessarily, but I have my friends whose parents like, you give them texts, they're like, parents are aware of AI and they're texting kids like, is this AI? And it's a picture that's clearly AI. And the kid has to be like, yes, mom, that's very clearly AI. Thank you for asking. Like to have that question that you would text to your kids, just be a right click in Safari would be go a long way, right? And obviously it's like, that's we're only within the Apple ecosystem here. We've got a long way to go, but I think it's just building tools that go towards that and implementing it at the hardware level is pretty cool, I think.

• 52:50Speaker 02

  I wish my parents were, I mean, I'm glad they're not, but like a few weeks ago, not like a year ago at this point, I got like a really convincing scam Bank of America text that I was like, that close to falling for. And I had the thought, I was like, I should text my parents, you know, if I, they almost got me. My parents have stand a chance. And my mom literally responded with, you almost fell for that? And then they're laughing, crying emoji.

• 53:13Speaker 05

  The tables have.

• 53:15Speaker 02

  And I was like, am I the boomer?

• 53:16Andrew Manganelli?

  I guess what I hadn't thought of in terms of being able to see the original image is in previous ones, a lot of people do use AI for maybe just some cleanup or something like that. And so a journalist might be looking at a photo and being like, oh, this does have AI. How much can I trust it? But to be able to physically see exactly what did get changed, hopefully then less reporting on stuff that we don't really know about.

• 53:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. Even if it's like, and what it's so widespread now, where a lot of the times those things aren't even malicious. It's just honest mistakes.

• 53:44Andrew Manganelli?

  Exactly.

• 53:45Speaker 05

  You're just pulling an image that, oh, somebody took this picture of an iPhone, but the background just happens to have been edited to be slightly different. And then it gets posted, then you get accused of using AI and this, it's, it's, again, it's little things like that. I think, I think it again, it's, some people might think it's not a very big deal, but it does so little net harm putting it in there and can solve a lot of problems. And I love seeing those type of things.

• 54:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 54:03Speaker 02

  No, it is a huge deal, actually. I, I, I'm really glad you brought it up.

• 54:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 54:07Andrew Manganelli?

  You do a lot of home in, uh, uh, home automation. That's what the word I'm looking for. Was there anything here that, uh, sparked your interest specifically in that category?

• 54:16Speaker 05

  No.

• 54:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Standby or something is the only thing I can think of some way?

• 54:20Speaker 05

  So every, I've been predicting it since WWDC or WWDC of three years ago, there is this leak um, in the Apple TV OS beta, like three OSs ago for something called Home OS. And I've wanted it to be coming for ages and the idea is it's going to be this OS that encapsulates the Apple TV and the HomePod. Maybe they're bringing a HomePod to the screen. They all get run in this OS. And I was almost certain, if I was a betting man, I would put money on it. This would be the year we'd see it. Siri AI comes to the HomePod. It's this huge thing. All your home devices are connected. Your HomePod's useful now because it actually has a voice assistant that's going to hang out and actually work for you.

• 54:59Speaker 05

  And I thought if we're going to see an Apple TV, they're going to make the space for not launching the base model iPhone for that Apple TV and it's all going to work. And then the presentation and that thing.

• 55:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Maybe later this fall. I, I thought there are still rumors of that, that screened HomePod going around and it seems like we might have, I don't know if we're getting that, uh, OLED touchscreen MacBook Ultra or whatever. Now there's potentially room for a more of a spring event with, uh, if iPhone base is now moved over there, who knows if iPhone Air could go over there. So maybe we could see something later.

• 55:31Speaker 05

  I really hope for, you mentioned iPhone Air, not to hard pivot us here, but I've always been since the day it launched with iPhone Air of the theory that it's just a proxy for a foldable phone. And I think we're seeing that to be true. Just making sure the durability is there. I would love to see the new iPhone Air be a passport style.

• 55:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, just like straight, not folding, just squat.

• 55:53Speaker 05

  The, basically the iPhone Duo, but

• 55:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah.

• 55:55Speaker 05

  Just the half.

• 55:56Speaker 02

  Like the, like a Newton with a phone.

• 55:57Speaker 05

  It's like, whatever. It's like, everybody wants the mini. Everybody wants smaller phone. Have this smaller and slightly wider phone. And I think people would be like, I think, I hope that's what we see. And if they make this big event around it, I'd be.

• 56:08Andrew Manganelli?

  I think that is what all the people listening to this podcast and all of us would like to see, and probably something that will never happen because no one would ever buy it. And I don't want.

• 56:16Speaker 05

  I'll buy ten if you make it Apple. I'll, I'll put some revenue on the bottom line.

• 56:21Speaker 02

  How did we get, how did we get to the long phone? Like, like that's a remote, you know? I guess it makes sense because you know, a long skinny device, your thumb can

• 56:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Across, I guess.

• 56:30Speaker 02

  Reach better. But I, when I think of long skinny things, I think of don't look and control. And when I think of more square things, I think of things I'm actually interacting with, you know, or that are providing feedback. Is this crazy?

• 56:44Speaker 05

  No, I think it kind of makes sense. I feel like it's almost one of those things where it's like the, just what we've been used to has kind of driven the development of it. And like before the phones needed to be big and they wanted to be slim so you'd hold it one hand. So it kind of grew up. It's kind of like the, like the QWERTY keyboard layout we have now, it's actually an awful keyboard layout. It's

• 57:03Andrew Manganelli?

  We've done a shirt on this.

• 57:04Speaker 05

  Really, really bad. There's much better layouts there, uh, out there to type more efficiently. But because everything built around it, from being typist to a hardware to a software, this is kind of what we use. And maybe that could be the reason of the phone, phone's form factor. We develop apps for it. People's hands are used to holding it. If you want to sell a phone to a device and get a user to switch, you need to at least sell them something kind of familiar to be comfortable. Cause I, I would much rather have a little passport. So I don't have to do that little thing where I can't reach the top. So I drop it kind of a little to reach my thumb up there. And then I have to like hike it back up to reach my thumb back down.

• 57:36Speaker 02

  And, and we've, we've done this before, like in the, in the PDA Palm Pilot, Apple Newton era, everything was sort of more squared off. I don't know if it was the same sort of, what was it? One by 1.4 was the ratio? They made a big deal about the ratios the same on the inside. Adam's nodding like it is one, one to 1.4.

• 57:56Speaker 05

  Nice.

• 57:58Speaker 05

  Insane knowledge to have.

• 57:59Speaker 02

  Nailed it.

• 57:59Speaker 05

  That's crazy.

• 58:00Speaker 02

  Insane ball knowledge, except I literally forgot about Apple reference photo for four hours. So, you know.

• 58:06Speaker 05

  Happy to be here.

• 58:07Speaker 02

  Thank you. Thank you so much. Um, do you have any thoughts on Turnus?

• 58:10Speaker 05

  Uh, yeah, I think he did, I think he did great. I mean, I've been optimistic about him ever since the announcement. I think he's got the background to go in the new era that I think everybody thinks they're going into, the more innovative, more sportive era. Um, Tim brought it up, made it a scalable company, made everybody like Apple. And now we're going back into the hopefully passport sized, super slim phone era. Uh, yeah, I was, I was hoping we might see a live keynote, but I know that was probably a little bit optimistic.

• 58:41Andrew Manganelli?

  There was that weird like report that like Apple's going back to live keynote, but everyone was like, this is just what they've been doing. The, I don't, on Twitter, it was going around for a while and they're like, sweet, it's coming back. But I don't think they're ever going to leave it. It's too easy to

• 58:54Speaker 05

  It's.

• 58:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Nail everything.

• 58:55Speaker 05

  You need the person and like the, I think the big change was sure, maybe John is capable of it, but they've shifted so aggressively. Now that their product line is so diverse, when they have all the product leads coming out, like you can't expect what Steve Jobs has been thinking about the MacBook Air for 15 years. He could talk about that, like he owns it, but John Turnus can't talk about all the latest tech and the Apple Watch, the iPad, all these products and stand confident in it without feeling like he's just rehearsing it. It's just impossible. So I don't think we ever can.

• 59:20Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't think it will, yeah.

• 59:22Speaker 05

  I was hoping, but I'm just happy to see him in person on stage for a little bit.

• 59:25Speaker 02

  Philly guy.

• 59:26Speaker 05

  Is he?

• 59:27Speaker 02

  Uh, he went to Penn. I don't know what, there's actually, we know almost nothing about it.

• 59:31Andrew Manganelli?

  He said Go Birds once and now it's.

• 59:32Speaker 02

  We don't know how old he is. We don't know his birthday. Like there's very little public information about him, but I do know.

• 59:38Speaker 05

  Sounds like, uh,

• 59:40Speaker 02

  goes Sixers.

• 59:42Andrew Manganelli?

  We do know his birthday. I'm pretty sure we know all of those things.

• 59:45Speaker 02

  Do you know his age?

• 59:46Speaker 05

  It sounds like we could start a conspiracy theory.

• 59:48Andrew Manganelli?

  For a while. He's fourteen hundred years old.

• 59:50Speaker 02

  No, no, no. When he got announced as the next CEO, I was reading all this info about him and there was all this stuff like, we don't know his exact.

• 59:56Andrew Manganelli?

  You should stop using AI overview.

• 59:57Speaker 02

  It wasn't AI overview, okay? God, goddamn.

• 1:00:00Speaker 05

  Is there like a robot test tube conspiracy theory that exists there? Like Steve Jobs, like skin cells regrown?

• 1:00:05Speaker 02

  Whoa. There is now.

• 1:00:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:09Speaker 02

  Wait a second. Yeah. We gotta get the YouTube video conspiracy thing, like where you overlay the faces and like.

• 1:00:16Andrew Manganelli?

  And like, oh, red.

• 1:00:17Speaker 02

  Yeah. This is fascinating.

• 1:00:20Speaker 05

  Another thing I did really like, but again, it's one of those things that's so hard to talk about in the landscape is the, I keep forgetting what they call things, but the Apple Watch always listening thing, summary.

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  Oh, I think it was called always listening or something. It was like that, yeah.

• 1:00:36Speaker 05

  I really like that.

• 1:00:37Speaker 02

  Did you?

• 1:00:38Speaker 05

  Taken the time. Like, the problem is, the product is itself in its best, in its best state of non-malice, and if you assume everything's being done properly, it's cool. It's helpful, accessibility, as long as you turn it off, it's cool. The problem is, nobody's gonna trust that.

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:00:54Speaker 05

  No. Apple is the company to do it, if anybody, but most people haven't done the due diligence to understand how Apple runs their AI, how much compute power they have onboard, all that stuff, so that, it's so sensitive, but it's so cool, but I would, I would hesitate to even talk about it as a creator. Cause I know, even if I was doing the best job communicating it, people are still gonna be upset about it.

• 1:01:13Andrew Manganelli?

  It's gonna be tough. I think my biggest issue with it is fifteen seconds feels like so short that I would be referencing it while the person I was talking to is still standing right there. So like, if a waiter is saying, the specials, that's what you're talking about, right?

• 1:01:25Speaker 02

  No, I think we're on two separate features. You're talking about the rewind thing. You're talking about the meeting summary.

• 1:01:31Speaker 05

  Summary thing.

• 1:01:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Sorry.

• 1:01:32Speaker 05

  It's quick.

• 1:01:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're very similar.

• 1:01:34Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, never mind.

• 1:01:35Speaker 02

  But one, you have to prompt.

• 1:01:36Speaker 05

  I mean, they're both stemmed from the scary thing, which is your watch is always listening, but they're two feet, and I, I don't think they did a good job explaining that yet, cause one is, this rewind, more of an accessibility feature, the other is, I think they should have broken it out, basically said, hey, it's the Plod Note Pin.

• 1:01:51Andrew Manganelli?

  I agree.

• 1:01:51Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's for free on your phone, and it's running on a local model. That sounds great, but because they looped it in with like, always listening, I think, I'm, it's a cool feature that I think has a lot of potential, but it's gonna require a lot of like Junis Sequa explaining it to audiences to really get the taste there.

• 1:02:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, I think the thing that was weird when they said is like, you can turn it on or off whenever you want, which made it sound like an on-off switch, but then they also said like, or it just won't do it during night, or this, it's like, so that means it sounds like it can be always going on and sometimes, but it does sound like it has a physical on-off switch, which is what it should have.

• 1:02:26Speaker 02

  From your perspective, cause I'm churning through these butter thoughts, or I'm churning your milk thoughts into thought cream, thought butter.

• 1:02:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Title of this episode.

• 1:02:37Speaker 02

  Um, but it's interesting you said that we're gonna need to educate people on what's going on, because I've always been shocked at how fast the Meta glasses have been adopted, given that it's pretty public knowledge that what's recorded on there does get stored on a server owned by Meta. Do you think Apple consumers, the Apple market, audience, whatever you wanna call it, is more sensitive than the general average consumer?

• 1:03:04Speaker 05

  Uh, I think the Meta glasses thing is more a product of, somebody who's gonna buy Meta glasses is gonna be a little bit more savvy and nerdy and willing to sacrifice to have such a device, because they think it's so cool. Whereas Apple, just by nature, is gonna be exposed to everybody, so I think it's a, I think it's more of like, not necessarily Apple consumers versus Meta consumers, but just nerds versus non-nerds, which is the difference.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  I like that.

• 1:03:30Speaker 05

  Um, but I do think like, again, no matter what, everybody's gonna be conscious of it, and again, it's like, Apple does such a good job with data privacy in the world of AI, and it's like, it's insane how night and day is compared to anybody, but it's communicating that in a way that doesn't sound, as the comments would call it, like, bootlicking, or too technical to where it even makes sense to where it's not even worth explaining, is so tricky.

• 1:03:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:03:54Speaker 05

  No, totally.

• 1:03:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Cool. Thank you for having us. Where can our audience find you if they forgot from last year?

• 1:04:01Speaker 05

  Uh, I am Brett.Tech, uh, everywhere, YouTube, mostly short form, TikTok, Instagram, and then a little bit of YouTube every now and then.

• 1:04:08Andrew Manganelli?

  So if you wanna go watch eighty-seven videos from this event, by the end of the night, they'll probably be ready.

• 1:04:13Speaker 05

  I'm your man.

• 1:04:14Andrew Manganelli?

  The amount of stuff you'll get out before this podcast goes live is wild.

• 1:04:17Speaker 05

  I'm gonna go edit for four hours after this, so. Thank you for having me. This is really fun, as always.

• 1:04:22Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:22Speaker 02

  And we're back, once again, still in Cupertino, still sweaty as possible, and right now, we are here with?

• 1:04:30Speaker 05

  Vivon.

• 1:04:31Speaker 02

  Vivon.

• 1:04:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:04:32Speaker 02

  Thank you for joining us. Gotta, gotta, got, sorry, I'm short-circuiting in the heat. What did you think of the event?

• 1:04:38Speaker 05

  Honestly, I thought it was like, it wasn't like expected. I don't think like, they came out with anything too, you know, out of the, you know, norm. I think we all expected them to announce the Duo.

• 1:04:49Andrew Manganelli?

  I, I think that's something that someone who follows like Twitter and rumors, all of us agree with, I think most people would be like, wait a minute, what just happened?

• 1:04:58Speaker 05

  Yeah. But, yeah, other than that, I think like, nothing too crazy, I think.

• 1:05:04Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, new CEO, fold, maybe the biggest Apple event of the last decade, nothing too crazy, but.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  There was something about the event that was so like, AI feature-heavy and software feature-heavy. I guess a lot of Apple events do software features, but there was something I felt like, alright, like, get on with it, to me. I don't know. Maybe that's rude. I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be rude. But it's just like, the whole time, I just kept being like, oh, yep, okay, the watch listens? Oh, yep, the watch, the lights are green now.

• 1:05:34Speaker 02

  Okay, I don't know. Is that a bad take? Am I making a bad take right now?

• 1:05:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Do you think part of that is because we were all expecting the fold, and we're all just kinda like, can we just see the fold?

• 1:05:42Speaker 05

  I think like, the first like, first thirty or so minutes were just all Apple intelligence, right?

• 1:05:47Andrew Manganelli?

  It was.

• 1:05:48Speaker 05

  I was like, just like, you know, get on with it.

• 1:05:51Andrew Manganelli?

  And they, they use the term AI a lot, which for a while, they were trying, it felt like they were trying not to. It was very specifically Apple intelligence, Apple intelligence. I think a dub dub, they started being like a little more, everyone else's AI is doing this, but we're doing that, but I think Turner said the term AI in the first one minute of him being passed over as the new CEO.

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  You know, another thing is, they normally do these like, skits and trailers and like little cinematic-y things before each product or before each person, and this one, they just sort of passed it from executive to exec. You know what else is different about this one? Do you notice how many people were working in the background? That's, that.

• 1:06:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Working.

• 1:06:27Speaker 02

  Working, but I feel like they, they took this cinematic angle of like, the Apple executives are sort of like, in the space, but they're not actually there. Like, one time, they were like, what's his name was walking through a cafe, while everyone's just like, eating and talking, and he's like, doing, that was kinda weird to me. Was it not weird to you?

• 1:06:46Andrew Manganelli?

  I could see it. It doesn't surprise me.

• 1:06:47Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  I thought it was weird that people were like, at their desks, like, doing stuff, while like, your boss is just like, and another thing, I found it weird. I'm sorry. Clearly, I'm in the minority here.

• 1:06:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Listen.

• 1:06:59Speaker 02

  Ellis, that happens to us all the time. We're just at our desk working, and Mark has walks behind us. That is kinda like my job.

• 1:07:05Andrew Manganelli?

  So, so you said nothing was really surprising?

• 1:07:07Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:08Andrew Manganelli?

  What, was there anything that surprised you?

• 1:07:12Speaker 05

  Um, I think like, the main thing that I noticed was like, the design of the Duo.

• 1:07:15Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:07:16Speaker 05

  I think like, they went with a very, you know, wide passport-sized shape, and I think like, if you look at, you know, other foldables, like the Z Fold, they have kind of like a candy bar shape.

• 1:07:26Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:26Speaker 05

  So I think that can be like, really interesting in terms of, you know, how you actually use the device. I think like, my main thing is that like, it looks like it's gonna be like, pretty hard to use, at least with one hand.

• 1:07:37Andrew Manganelli?

  You think so?

• 1:07:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:07:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, what I thought was impressive is, we've seen some more squat passport styles with like, Find N, one of the Pixel Folds, now the new Samsung, the whatever, the smaller one. But, the one thing I want to see is, did you notice that animation that kept happening every time they folded from the outside screen? It like, almost, yeah, gradiented over. I can't, it was visually impressive on that, but we also only ever saw it at this perfect, straight-on angle, and I'm wondering if it does that in person and how that looks in person, or it's just gonna turn into a slow animation that's gonna get annoying after a while?

• 1:08:16Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't know. It's one of those things that they clearly thought of to be visually impressive at the keynote, and I think a lot of stuff is, like, Apple shot perfectly. Let's see how it looks in person, which we have not seen yet.

• 1:08:28Speaker 05

  But now the camera, the front-facing camera is under the, this.

• 1:08:32Andrew Manganelli?

  I think the internal, the, so it has a hole punch cut out on the front screen, and then when you open it, yeah, we haven't mentioned this at all, it's a, it's a under-screen selfie camera that appears when you're in FaceTime.

• 1:08:44Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, cause, and I think in the images, I saw the camera there. Um, I think when they're using it normally, I didn't, I didn't see it on the screen.

• 1:08:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Interesting. Yeah, the, I wanna see what the under-display camera looks like, because for so long, we thought this was gonna be the new thing.

• 1:09:00Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:01Andrew Manganelli?

  But all of them always looked like the camera was underwater, right? Like foggy, and did Apple pull it off? Or do we just not care about FaceTime quality as much? I have to assume it's gonna be pretty good, but then that means they would have developed something that we're not used to.

• 1:09:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:16Speaker 02

  Well, every time they showed someone taking a selfie in the keynote, they were using the rear camera, because now you can flip the whole thing out and get the monitor, so I think they might have realized that like, the selfie camera of the inside is just only gonna be a FaceTime thing, where you're gonna be limited by bandwidth for resolution anyway, maybe? I, that, that's my guess. Uh, that's crazy that we still haven't talked about the hole punch yet, because this is the first.

• 1:09:43Andrew Manganelli?

  The whole bunch or the under-display?

• 1:09:45Speaker 02

  Excuse me, the under-display, thank you. It's the first Apple device with that.

• 1:09:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:50Speaker 02

  Um, and so it's kind of like a new, effectively a new skew for them. I don't know, I'm really curious. We were talking in the hotel room, that just like, you don't see that many phones with that.

• 1:10:01Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:03Andrew Manganelli?

  It's also like, weirdly, it's not at the top. It's down a little bit, which I'm assuming is because when you are talking to the screen, your eye contact will look a little more natural, but that's all, again, they, they felt like they glossed over that pretty quickly.

• 1:10:16Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:10:16Speaker 02

  Glossed over.

• 1:10:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Huh.

• 1:10:18Speaker 05

  Huh.

• 1:10:19Andrew Manganelli?

  Huh. All right, any other final thoughts on either Duo, uh, new CEO? What, is it weird that we didn't even see an iPhone eighteen base model? Um, I mean, the cheapest thing we saw today in a phone was eleven ninety-nine, right, for base Pro?

• 1:10:34Speaker 05

  Honestly, I think that, for me, it is maybe the AirPod update. I think I was expecting to see some kind of like, major redesign, and at least maybe in having some type of screen on the case.

• 1:10:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:10:46Speaker 05

  Or something like, kind of revolutionary and new, but like, I think like, it is mostly, you know, sound quality updates or just like, normal.

• 1:10:53Andrew Manganelli?

  And C, transparencies.

• 1:10:55Speaker 05

  But like.

• 1:10:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Siri, yeah.

• 1:10:56Speaker 05

  Yeah. I think other than that, nothing that I really, you know, really wanted or kinda expected, but yeah.

• 1:11:02Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, we didn't ask, we forgot to ask Emily, but, so, nothing that you really wanted? I'm guessing that means you don't plan on picking up the Duo.

• 1:11:08Speaker 05

  I think Duo's not for me. I think.

• 1:11:10Andrew Manganelli?

  I right now use a 14 plus. Okay. And I I was actually one of the like biggest fans of the plus series. Mm hmm. Just cuz like I don't use extra cameras in the Pro, but I want a bigger screen. So I think. That sounds like Duo doesn't have the extra cameras and it doesn't have your screen. Yeah, we'll we'll see, we'll see. Okay, that sounds like a pretty hard. Yeah. Okay, cool. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. Thanks, of course.

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

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• 1:12:52Speaker 02

  And we're back with another guest. Things might look a little different because our A cam overheated. We moved it into the shade. It is now the B cam and the B cam is now the A cam. I'm still Ellis, that's still Andrew, and this is. Michael. Michael.

• 1:13:07Andrew Manganelli?

  Again, another repeat guest. This is awesome.

• 1:13:12Andrew Manganelli?

  B camera just died. Uh, we'll see what happens later, but Michael, we just got done with probably one of the bigger Apple events. We've seen new CEO, new device. Um, initial thoughts on it?

• 1:13:26Speaker 03

  Well, I think new CEO, I think he's pretty cool.

• 1:13:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:13:31Speaker 03

  I like the transition between the Tim Cook and John.

• 1:13:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, the the like rack focus kind of it's not it's not me. It's actually him. Okay, I liked it too.

• 1:13:42Speaker 03

  It was pretty sick. Um, I I think it was overall pretty great. Um, I liked the event. Um, a lot of the stuff was pretty cool. Um, especially the folding iPhone.

• 1:13:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Yes, the folding iPhone, obviously like.

• 1:13:57Speaker 03

  iPhone Duo.

• 1:13:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, Duo. I first of all, what do you think of the name Duo?

• 1:14:01Speaker 03

  Um, kind of makes sense because I think like maybe two screens on one side. Like, you know, like an iPad, but like also a fold. So like, like a book, like or like a passbook.

• 1:14:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:14:14Speaker 03

  So I think that is something. It kind of makes sense.

• 1:14:20Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, for sure. I think as, um, you know, do you remember the Microsoft Duo?

• 1:14:25Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 1:14:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Um, that's why I think it might spoil the name a little bit for us.

• 1:14:29Speaker 02

  After like one of the.

• 1:14:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Tech nerds, yeah, like one of the worst devices ever. So but I do think the name makes sense, but I cannot in good conscience, say I like the name because of Surface Duo.

• 1:14:38Speaker 02

  Do you guys think they're reserving iPhone Ultra for like some mega phone? Like what? Or will the iPhone never get an Ultra designation?

• 1:14:48Speaker 03

  Maybe I'm not too sure.

• 1:14:50Andrew Manganelli?

  They're just saving the name for MacBook Ultra in two months. The rumored touchscreen OLED.

• 1:14:56Speaker 03

  Imagine.

• 1:14:56Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah. Um, so pricing on Duo. Did you think it was gonna be higher? Are you?

• 1:15:04Speaker 03

  That was about the same.

• 1:15:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Really? Are we?

• 1:15:07Speaker 02

  We're out of touch, man.

• 1:15:08Speaker 03

  Well, I think it's because, you know, I hold the CPU is like about really low. And so, you know, they have to boost it up.

• 1:15:16Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, they ladder, they have to ladder it into other devices. I could see that. I I thought it was 2,500 at least, at least.

• 1:15:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, same.

• 1:15:24Andrew Manganelli?

  So I was very surprised by that. I'm I think it's a spec. It's kind of like air where specs are down a little bit. I'm gonna keep saying that I'm gonna be wrong and that's the worst part about.

• 1:15:33Speaker 02

  It is like two iPhone Airs glued together.

• 1:15:35Andrew Manganelli?

  It feels like, yeah. Um, what else did we see?

• 1:15:38Speaker 02

  Well, are you interested in buying this?

• 1:15:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yes.

• 1:15:41Speaker 02

  Cause it is still, we're talking about it, but it is a product.

• 1:15:45Speaker 03

  Well, last time you were talking about you want on the folding iPhone and we got it.

• 1:15:49Speaker 02

  Mm hmm. I did say that.

• 1:15:52Speaker 03

  And, um, I mean, it's cool to have. I think it's something that I probably won't, you know, end up getting. Because I got myself a 17 Pro.

• 1:16:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:16:05Speaker 03

  For like an early Christmas, I mean, both the both the present.

• 1:16:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Nice.

• 1:16:09Speaker 03

  Um, but I think that it's it's something that you want to have as maybe if you want to have like as a display, as like a tech creator, like, you know, pretty cool, but.

• 1:16:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Hi, David, we're all just gonna say hi, David.

• 1:16:27Speaker 02

  Come on, just 30, 30 seconds.

• 1:16:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Hi.

• 1:16:30Speaker 02

  David Amel, everybody.

• 1:16:32Andrew Manganelli?

  We can put him in the thumbnail now.

• 1:16:36Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm going to briefings, I'll see you later.

• 1:16:37Speaker 02

  Go, go, go.

• 1:16:41Speaker 02

  That was awesome.

• 1:16:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Sorry.

• 1:16:43Speaker 02

  We had, we had to.

• 1:16:44Speaker 03

  That was, that was cool.

• 1:16:48Andrew Manganelli?

  Look at that stride.

• 1:16:50Speaker 02

  God, what a, what a guy. With a giant backpack.

• 1:16:54Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, so yeah, you you don't think you're gonna get. I do think we're gonna talk to a lot of people today who are probably gonna be like, I don't know if I'm getting it. Cause I bet so many people already have an iPhone and an iPad.

• 1:17:03Speaker 03

  Yes, um, but I have an old iPad.

• 1:17:05Andrew Manganelli?

  You have an old iPad?

• 1:17:06Speaker 03

  It's not, it's not that old. It's decent, you know, it's not the one with the touch ID. It's the one with the home button.

• 1:17:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, okay.

• 1:17:13Speaker 03

  So I just haven't had.

• 1:17:15Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm gonna laugh when we see you next year and you're like, I bought the Duo.

• 1:17:18Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, before we let you go, you mentioned that you brought something that you referenced last year when you were with us?

• 1:17:25Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:17:25Speaker 02

  So I don't remember this.

• 1:17:27Speaker 03

  Get it out.

• 1:17:27Andrew Manganelli?

  I like that we're already at the point that people are bringing.

• 1:17:29Speaker 03

  iPhone 5C.

• 1:17:30Speaker 02

  The keyline, but wow, it's.

• 1:17:32Andrew Manganelli?

  Wow, way to screw up our white balance. Wow, this thing is so sick.

• 1:17:37Speaker 02

  I don't remember the C being so small.

• 1:17:39Andrew Manganelli?

  It's very small and it's very bright.

• 1:17:41Speaker 02

  Is it? So one thing I thought was interesting, and of course I'm gonna be the one to say this. So it closed the the Duo has a 5.4 inch diagonal screen, which is the same diagonal.

• 1:17:52Andrew Manganelli?

  Cut, cut.

• 1:17:53Speaker 02

  As the 12 mini. But I'm trying to compare it to this and I I can't. So not used to bezels. Thank you so much for bringing this.

• 1:18:01Speaker 03

  I also brought it.

• 1:18:02Speaker 02

  You might have the oldest iPhone.

• 1:18:04Speaker 03

  Oh, I have this.

• 1:18:08Speaker 03

  It's an iPhone 3GS.

• 1:18:10Andrew Manganelli?

  3GS, that's awesome. I'm gonna give it back to you because my hands are covered in sunscreen and I don't want to.

• 1:18:16Speaker 02

  Dude, thank you so much for joining us again.

• 1:18:18Speaker 03

  Much.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  Hopefully we see you. I don't know if we're gonna do this next year, but if we are, hope to see you again.

• 1:18:23Speaker 03

  Thank you so much.

• 1:18:23Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 1:18:24Andrew Manganelli?

  Thanks, Michael. All right, we have Simon here. Welcome to the podcast. That's awesome. Um, so you told us that you speak Italian as your main language. On the side, Ellis is going to download some live translation.

• 1:18:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:18:35Andrew Manganelli?

  To see if it works.

• 1:18:36Speaker 03

  Try to test it live.

• 1:18:37Andrew Manganelli?

  It will work. Okay. But uh, thanks for joining us. Welcome. We had a big, a big event, new CEO, Duo. Any initial thoughts on either?

• 1:18:48Speaker 03

  Everything new, everything is big.

• 1:18:49Andrew Manganelli?

  Everything.

• 1:18:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Everything, everything's big, but also small, right? Yeah, a little both. What'd you think of the Duo?

• 1:18:56Speaker 03

  The Duo?

• 1:18:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:18:58Speaker 03

  Is nice. I like it. I like it there from factor of it's more similar to the iPad mini and the passport. I'm really big travel. I use many time the passport.

• 1:19:08Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh huh.

• 1:19:08Speaker 03

  And every time I have it in my pocket. And this is really cool.

• 1:19:13Andrew Manganelli?

  It's cool.

• 1:19:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, the size is maybe perfect.

• 1:19:16Andrew Manganelli?

  What'd you think of the price?

• 1:19:17Speaker 03

  The price? I see the video too.

• 1:19:22Speaker 03

  And really, it's not this too much. I'm expect maybe.

• 1:19:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:27Speaker 03

  2,300.

• 1:19:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:19:30Speaker 03

  But it starts to 2,000. It's not too bad.

• 1:19:33Andrew Manganelli?

  No, I don't think it's bad. I mean, it's still expensive.

• 1:19:35Speaker 03

  But yeah, I know I'm from Italy. I don't know the tax and everything.

• 1:19:41Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:41Speaker 03

  But, uh.

• 1:19:43Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, it seems to be like a thousand per screen. And we were all thinking there would be more of a premium. So it would be like a thousand, a thousand, and then an extra like 400 just because there's an Apple logo on it.

• 1:19:52Speaker 03

  The era, the iPhone X is cost 999.

• 1:19:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, and everyone freaked out.

• 1:19:57Speaker 03

  True iPhone X.

• 1:19:59Andrew Manganelli?

  That's true, basically. What, um, do you still live in Italy or are you living in?

• 1:20:03Speaker 03

  I live in Italy, but now I make a trip to a round of the world in 96 days.

• 1:20:09Andrew Manganelli?

  Wow. Whoa, 96 days?

• 1:20:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:20:11Andrew Manganelli?

  What day is this?

• 1:20:12Speaker 03

  This is 37.

• 1:20:14Andrew Manganelli?

  Day 37, okay, cool.

• 1:20:15Speaker 03

  37.

• 1:20:16Andrew Manganelli?

  And the best day so far.

• 1:20:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, of course, the best day ever.

• 1:20:20Andrew Manganelli?

  That's so sick. Where'd you watch the event?

• 1:20:22Speaker 03

  I'm watching here.

• 1:20:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, okay, like in the visitor's center?

• 1:20:24Speaker 03

  I tried to enter, uh, but this time no, maybe next year.

• 1:20:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:29Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 1:20:30Andrew Manganelli?

  Maybe they'll let you in.

• 1:20:31Speaker 03

  But come on now, I'm here.

• 1:20:33Andrew Manganelli?

  You're in the best. This is where the cool people hang out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, new CEO.

• 1:20:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Cool, not cool, not Tim Cook.

• 1:20:41Speaker 03

  Come on, then.

• 1:20:42Andrew Manganelli?

  Growing on me.

• 1:20:43Speaker 03

  The boy, no, you ask me. Oh, you see, uh, F1?

• 1:20:46Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:48Speaker 03

  I speak nothing more. The CEO is like the car. I like a car.

• 1:20:56Speaker 03

  Apple new CEO car.

• 1:20:58Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay, well, hold on.

• 1:21:00Andrew Manganelli?

  John Turnis is which team in Formula One now? If you're gonna compare it to a car.

• 1:21:04Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:21:08Andrew Manganelli?

  You brought this up. This is on you.

• 1:21:10Speaker 03

  You know, today I come here, I even my backpack. Uh, the F1 film to Apple, the Lego car to signature to the new CEO.

• 1:21:21Speaker 02

  Oh, that's cool.

• 1:21:23Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, Rich, what team do you think? What are, what call, I'd say this year's Red Bull?

• 1:21:29Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:21:31Andrew Manganelli?

  No, you didn't disagree? Better?

• 1:21:35Speaker 03

  I, hmm.

• 1:21:36Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:21:38Speaker 02

  We'll see.

• 1:21:38Andrew Manganelli?

  Fair. Uh, Ellis, did you get these working? Okay, we're gonna try live translation.

• 1:21:43Speaker 02

  Live translation, get your Italian ready.

• 1:21:45Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:21:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I I have a feeling he's got it ready.

• 1:21:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think he's good.

• 1:21:47Speaker 03

  Oh, I speak Italian?

• 1:21:48Speaker 02

  Yes, yes.

• 1:21:48Speaker 03

  I use my best Italian.

• 1:21:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:21:54Speaker 02

  He's gonna use the live translation feature on the AirPods.

• 1:21:56Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:21:57Speaker 02

  Okay, a little context in case you, uh, have never listened to Waveform before. In which case, welcome. This is the Waveform Podcast. Uh, I, for years, have said that live translation won't exist and never will exist. And now it allegedly exists and I'm going to use it for the very first time and probably eat my words. Um, so I've never done this before, but I have the translation app open. I have Italian installed and I'm going to hit start translation.

• 1:22:30Speaker 02

  Would you like to speak Italian to me?

• 1:22:32Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:22:33Speaker 02

  You just speak to me.

• 1:22:34Speaker 03

  I speak to you.

• 1:22:35Speaker 02

  I think so.

• 1:22:36Speaker 03

  Come style.

• 1:22:43Speaker 02

  Oh, oh, no, you do need to speak to my phone.

• 1:22:45Speaker 03

  Oh, okay. Come stai? Ti è piaciuto l'evento di oggi?

• 1:22:51Speaker 02

  How am I? I'm good. Did you say anything else?

• 1:22:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Are you supposed to say it back in Italian, or does the phone say it?

• 1:22:58Speaker 02

  I don't, I don't know. All it said to me was, how are you?

• 1:23:00Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:23:01Speaker 03

  L'evento di oggi, ti è piaciuto?

• 1:23:07Speaker 02

  I did enjoy today's event. I thought it was a little bit

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  weird and slightly boring, but, you know, it's fine, I guess.

• 1:23:17Andrew Manganelli?

  Is that giving it back to you?

• 1:23:20Speaker 03

  Yeah. Oh, yeah!

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  Wait, so this works?

• 1:23:25Andrew Manganelli?

  Sort of. This is the mode, the, the pausing is...

• 1:23:28Speaker 02

  I knew it. I knew this didn't work. I'm not...

• 1:23:30Speaker 03

  Thirty percent is good, but the seventy is good.

• 1:23:33Speaker 02

  Give me, give me something really fast, really difficult, like, let's push it.

• 1:23:40Speaker 03

  Mettiamo che questi signori mi stanno facendo delle domande molto interessanti sulla Formula Uno ed Apple. Quindi capiamo un po' il da farsi nei prossimi tempi?

• 1:23:55Andrew Manganelli?

  Riveting audio experience.

• 1:23:57Speaker 02

  Okay, uh, okay. No, no, I got that. They, I, those were, those were interesting questions.

• 1:24:01Speaker 03

  Ninety-nine, ninety-nine percent is okay.

• 1:24:03Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah?

• 1:24:04Speaker 03

  And one is no.

• 1:24:05Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay.

• 1:24:05Speaker 02

  All right.

• 1:24:06Speaker 03

  It's super nice.

• 1:24:07Andrew Manganelli?

  What did he say?

• 1:24:08Speaker 02

  He said, uh, "These gentlemen are asking me some pretty interesting questions about Formula One."

• 1:24:11Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh.

• 1:24:13Speaker 02

  Right?

• 1:24:13Andrew Manganelli?

  Nice.

• 1:24:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's perfect.

• 1:24:15Speaker 02

  Okay. I still hate it, but, uh, you know, I guess it works.

• 1:24:18Andrew Manganelli?

  It's no way to carry on a conversation, but in a situation where it needs to be, yeah.

• 1:24:22Speaker 02

  Thank you very much for testing this feature with us live. Was there any other questions, or you should, uh...

• 1:24:29Andrew Manganelli?

  I think, or any other thoughts on the event? Final thoughts?

• 1:24:34Andrew Manganelli?

  You don't have to have any.

• 1:24:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. Next time.

• 1:24:37Andrew Manganelli?

  Oh wait, are you gonna get a duo?

• 1:24:39Speaker 03

  Duo.

• 1:24:39Andrew Manganelli?

  Are you gonna buy one?

• 1:24:40Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:24:41Andrew Manganelli?

  No. Okay.

• 1:24:42Speaker 03

  I like a passport, but I'm more camera guy.

• 1:24:45Andrew Manganelli?

  I'm, okay, I was convinced you were going to say yes, because you were glowing about it a minute ago.

• 1:24:51Speaker 02

  It's just Siri's just repeating everything you guys are saying in English. Like, it's just totally...

• 1:24:57Andrew Manganelli?

  Okay. Our goal now is to find one person who will buy the duo on the podcast, on the Man on the Street podcast.

• 1:25:02Speaker 03

  That's the goal. Yeah, you know, I'm speak to every guy, and it's, I mean, no, no.

• 1:25:07Andrew Manganelli?

  It's cool, but nah.

• 1:25:08Speaker 03

  It's cool, it's insane, but, no.

• 1:25:10Andrew Manganelli?

  It's the Benny robot of phones. It's the, yeah, it's like, that's really sick. Don't know what I'd use it for, and I'm not buying it, but...

• 1:25:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. Nah.

• 1:25:21Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:25:22Andrew Manganelli?

  I don't think that's working. All right. Simon, thank you so much. It was great to meet you. Thank you for joining us. Enjoy the rest of your trip.

• 1:25:27Speaker 03

  Thank you.

• 1:25:27Andrew Manganelli?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:28Speaker 03

  Uh, suppose we go on things?

• 1:25:29Andrew Manganelli?

  Hmm?

• 1:25:30Speaker 03

  Peace.

• 1:25:33Andrew Manganelli?

  All right, thank you so much for watching. This is another Waveform Man on the Street. Awesome guests again, bunch of repeat, bunch of repeats is awesome.

• 1:25:43Speaker 02

  We cannot confirm whether we'll be doing this next year, but, um, if we do do it again next year, just, it'll be, I don't know.

• 1:25:50Andrew Manganelli?

  Hopefully cooler.

• 1:25:52Speaker 02

  Hopefully cooler.

• 1:25:53Andrew Manganelli?

  Uh, Waveform is produced by Adam Alina and Ellis Rovin, a partner with Vox Media Podcast Network, and our soundtrack music is created by Vansil.

• 1:25:58Speaker 02

  And Rich Ho.

• 1:25:59Andrew Manganelli?

  And Rich Ho.

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