Josh Hart Knicks star on calling NY home, Jalen Brunson, his team’s future, fatherhood & NBA Finals Picks

Ryan, Fred, and Channing sit down for an exclusive interview with Knicks star Josh Hart as he recounts the highs and lows of his journey to New York following a season that had the Big Apple, and the entire basketball world buzzing. New York’s playoff run was fueled by a trio of Villanova graduates with Hart, Jalen Brunson and Donte Divincenzo leading way, bringing a veteran mindset and a new sense of toughness to the franchise. With the electrifying atmosphere of Madison Square Garden, Hart sheds light on the inner workings of the team’s success as well as the domino effect that led to their downfall, providing untold stories behind the team's undeniable grit and the misconceptions of playing for Coach Tom Thibodeau. Hart knows as well as anybody, that the NBA is a business first, and he opens up about the emotions that come with being traded three separate times. From his wife and kids to finding joy on the court, Hart goes in-depth on the importance of him finding a true home in New York. Identifying key life moments, Hart shares how his high school years at Sidwell and being away from his parents shaped him into the man he is today and reveals the unlikely lessons (and laughs) learned from becoming an Eagle Scout. With the NBA Conference Finals looming, Hart hints at who he believes are the best players left in the playoffs, and who he thinks will take home the Larry O'Brien Championship Trophy. New episodes drop on Tuesdays at 12 p.m. ET and Fridays at 3:30 p.m ET on YouTube, with audio available on all streaming platforms. New York City, come meet us at Fanatics Fest NYC! We’ll be recording our podcast LIVE with some special guests, signing autographs, meeting fans, taking photos and more. We’re excited to be at FFNYC alongside some of the biggest names in sports such as Tom Brady, Derek Jeter, Kevin Durant, Sabrina Ionescu, and more. FFNYC is happening August 16 –18, 2004 at the Javits Center. Tickets are on sale. Visit https://bit.ly/3yw2qAm to learn more and https://bit.ly/3R0f8hn to buy your tickets now!” GAMBLING PROBLEM? Call 1-800-GAMBLER(CO/IL/KS/KY/MD/MI/NC/NJ/OH/PA/TN/VA/VT/WV), (800)-327-5050 or gamblinghelplinema.org (MA), Call (877)8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), or Call 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), (888) 789-7777 orccpg.org (CT), or 1-800-BETS-OFF (IA), or 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), or www.mdgamblinghelp.org(MD), or morethanagame.nc.gov (NC), or1800gambler.net (WV) Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:00Channing Crowder?

  Tony was like, "Why are you taking animal science classes? You're not gonna be here but another six, 12 months." And I said, "You're right." And I started taking bullshit. They call Florida Football Vocational School.

• 1:11Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, because I know a lot of people just went straight for...

• 1:15Channing Crowder?

  To go to the league?

• 1:16Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 1:17Channing Crowder?

  That's why I went to Florida, because everybody was like, "Bro, you go to Florida, you go to the league."

• 1:20Fred Taylor?

  I was one of them.

• 1:21Channing Crowder?

  Georgia wasn't as good as Florida back then. No, we was where Georgia had that. I was... You played against who? David Green? Quincy Carter was the first quarterback. Quincy? And then, when'd you come out? So, remember, we didn't play Georgia every year. Oh, okay. Yeah. About a second. You came out, what draft? What draft were you in? What year did you?

• 1:42Channing Crowder?

  02. Graduated high school in 02? Yeah. So, I saw the end of Shock, and then David Green, the big white boy. I don't know if you remember Jasper Sinks? That running back? That was a big old motherf***er, that boy. You know, my sophomore year, I was starting. I was 185.

• 1:59Ryan Clark?

  Middle of the field, me and Jasper sinks.

• 2:02Channing Crowder?

  Was he 240?

• 2:03Ryan Clark?

  I broke down, Freddie T. Front page of the paper, he ran me over, my feet was in there.

• 2:09Fred Taylor?

  You did one of these?

• 2:10Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I was, but I was, I mean, I did everything right, Freddie T. Broke down. But you know, when they get you like that.

• 2:16Channing Crowder?

  Jasper was a big old boy.

• 2:18Ryan Clark?

  He saw it, he just.

• 2:19Channing Crowder?

  Murray Davis, Tennessee, 34.

• 2:22Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 2:22Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 2:23Channing Crowder?

  I ran up in there on some high school tackling and that'd be boom, boom, boom, my whole right side went numb. I said, oh, these boys hitting here.

• 2:30Fred Taylor?

  That's how, uh, what's his name, um, LeVar Arrington did me when he was a freshman in the, in the, in Citrus Bowl, bowl game. Came off the end and I had to block him, they told me to cut block him. I tried to.

• 2:45Channing Crowder?

  But you were mad.

• 2:46Fred Taylor?

  He put, nah, he put the knees on my ass. That cut block shit ain't work.

• 2:50Ryan Clark?

  LeVar was the reason I went number 11 in high school. LeVar was cold though.

• 2:54Channing Crowder?

  LeVar was cold.

• 2:55Ryan Clark?

  LeVar was cold.

• 2:56Channing Crowder?

  Who was the other boy? Brandon, Brandon Short?

• 2:59Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, B. Short was good too.

• 3:00Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, them boys was playing.

• 3:01Ryan Clark?

  What up, dawg? What up, what up, what up?

• 3:02Fred Taylor?

  What's good with you?

• 3:03Channing Crowder?

  What up, buddy, good?

• 3:04Ryan Clark?

  Ooh, Chan. He don't look that light skin on TV. You got you another one, huh?

• 3:08Channing Crowder?

  I got me another one, I seen you. We taking over the world.

• 3:12Ryan Clark?

  Well, this about, hey, this only, this is one of the few tough ones though, like, don't, like, he's one of the very few tough one of y'all.

• 3:20Channing Crowder?

  John got a little something to him.

• 3:21Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 3:21Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, I appreciate it. I appreciate what a light skin dude holding down.

• 3:27Ryan Clark?

  They said light skin's the new black, man, I'm just saying. That's what they said, man. I don't know who they is, but they were saying it.

• 3:34Channing Crowder?

  Michael Porter, MPJ, they was, they was trying, they was like, man, we gotta, we gotta swing this thing now.

• 3:39Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, exactly. Yo, whatever.

• 4:16Ryan Clark?

  Man, welcome to the show, man.

• 4:17Speaker 05

  Appreciate it.

• 4:18Ryan Clark?

  Josh Hart, I mean, shoot, man, this was a huge year for you, for your team, the Knicks. Channing Crowder, Freddie T., I'm Ryan Clark. Welcome to the Pivot, a part of Fanatics. I mean, I just want to get right into it. You had a conversation with Carmelo in the bubble. And you said he said something to you that at the time probably just seemed like a comment in passing. But now with the Knicks coming to fruition, it meant a lot. What did Carmelo tell you and how did that affect you?

• 4:47Speaker 05

  In the yacht club, I think it was the worst hotel for the lower seas ones. So we were there with J.J. Reddick and they were all kind of like in the players lounge. So me and J.J. came, we brought a couple of bottles of wine, they had some bottles of wine open. So we were just talking, me, him, Kyler Quinn. He was just like talking, like, man, New York, man, you'd be great in New York, you'd be perfect in New York. I'm like, yeah, man, that'd be dope, that'd be cool. And then, you know, you don't really think about it too much. And then like when you're in that situ, you know, when you get there, it's like, yo, this is, I understand what he's talking about, the, the passion that they have, the love that they have, but not just for obviously winning, but just, you know, guys that go out there and compete, you know, on, on every play and, and those kind of things.

• 5:31Speaker 05

  So that was really dope to hear him say it, but then like fully see it, it's like, okay, I kind of, I, I get it, I get it now.

• 5:38Channing Crowder?

  Do players fit cities? Like you're saying, like do, do, because you've been what, traded three times?

• 5:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, three times.

• 5:45Channing Crowder?

  And you said you jumping around, but like have, do players fit certain cities? Because there's guys, like you said, LA is different than New York, New York different than Miami. Do guys fit cities?

• 5:53Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think so. Obviously you have like New York, Phillies up there, like that tough, gritty kind of, kind of vibe. They got some of the, the Hollywoods, you know, the LA's, the Miami a little bit, you know, the flashy kind of, you know, kind of vibe. So they had the Midwest team, they just. They just play basketball. Yeah, yeah, they're there, you know what I mean?

• 6:15Channing Crowder?

  They're going to the Sizzler. They're going to Sizzler on a Wednesday.

• 6:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. Oklahoma City, man, you know, they just nice guys.

• 6:24Speaker 05

  I think so, but also it's cool for us because we have, you know, that y'all like, everyone knows New York is like that, you know, city that never sleeps, you grind, you, you know, you kind of, you know, just make it happen. And we kind of have that with Leon West, Tibbs, and then everyone else we have is that same kind of mold on the team. So I think, you know, it's cool, players match, you know, like the city, but also, you know, the, the franchise did a great job of having the right guys that do that.

• 6:56Fred Taylor?

  To expound on that and what Channing said, you've been to Portland, LA, New Orleans, so you've kind of been around. Now you're here on the East Coast. Is it more distracting playing in the Garden?

• 7:07Speaker 05

  Nah, nah, I'll tell you, playing in the Garden is a good and bad thing, right? Because you got home team, like, you're good, like, it's lit, the energy is crazy, all that kind of stuff. But then on the flip side, everybody wants to play at the Garden. Dudes will like, if they see New York on the schedule and they kind of, they, they, they nursing a little injury, all right, let me sit out, let me sit out the game or two before, make sure I'm right to go to the Garden. And you be having random dudes just go, go off. They be like, oh, this is, this is my time. They go, go out there, get 30, 40, 50. And you looking like, man, he don't, he don't do this. He don't do this. But it's just like.

• 7:51Fred Taylor?

  That's the stage.

• 7:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like, that's the stage. Everybody want, you always want to compete at the Garden. I was in the Western Conference for, you know, my whole career, so we go there once. So it's like, you make sure you ready, you know, to play in the Garden just because it's. No better place.

• 8:07Ryan Clark?

  You look at all of the true greats of the game. They all have a Garden game, whether it's Kobe, Michael Jordan. You can always point to a game at Madison Square where those players went off. I mean, I think the one of the first times I really saw Steph be Steph was in the Garden, you know, back in the day, and that was like leaky ankle Steph at the time because it is that sort of, you know, atmosphere, you know. We've already kind of talked about bouncing around to different places. We had Damar on the show last week, Damar DeRozan, and he talked about being traded from Toronto and how that affected him. You started with the Lakers and there's the famous selfie picture of you smiling.

• 8:49Ryan Clark?

  You had a conversation with Taylor and you said that was kind of to cover up what I was going through.

• 8:54Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 8:55Ryan Clark?

  What were you hiding though? What were the feelings that made you feel like you needed to post that so people thought you were all right with the trade?

• 9:04Speaker 05

  Especially as a young guy, you know, that was my, just finished my second year. So you don't look at, you know, obviously like they trading me, Zo, BI, like, and they getting AD, like they getting a top five player in the league at the time. So it's like, you don't look at it that way. You looking at like, like damn, like dog, these dudes ain't want me like that, like, like that's just, that's how, that's how you looking like, man, they ain't want me. They just, they just traded me away. And it's like your first real moment of like, oh, this is a business. Like this, you know, like cool, you know, I was like, I was cool with, you know, people there cool with Palenka, but like I saw, you know, you find out on Twitter, obviously now everything's social media. So it's like, like dang me and Palenka, we was, we was real cool.

• 9:49Speaker 05

  So it's like, you know, if he just called me up like, all right, I get it. But social media, I found it on Twitter, you know, and obviously it was in the works for a while. You see the proposals, my, my agent at the time kind of kept me in the loop a little, um, you know, with all of that, but it was just like, man, let me just put up this little front like I'm, I'm hyped, I'm going down to New Orleans. I ain't want to go to New Orleans, bro. My, my first, my first memory in New Orleans was just, we played there like the end of Mardi Gras. I remember I saw like the bulldozer, he was like bulldozing trash and I saw all like the. Liquor and all the stuff, throw up, all that coming down the bull. I'm just like, dog,

• 10:31Speaker 05

  hell no, this is terrible. And then a year later, I get there, I'm just like, alright, well, let's see how this is.

• 10:40Ryan Clark?

  Well, in full transparency, that's where I'm from.

• 10:44Channing Crowder?

  He got a little stitch.

• 10:46Ryan Clark?

  I was born and raised there. I do not go to Mardi Gras.

• 10:49Speaker 05

  They can't.

• 10:50Ryan Clark?

  But I get it, man. It's also one of those places where like, if they do love you, they love you. But it is its own culture. And being from the DMV, having played in Los Angeles, it's definitely way different than all of those places.

• 11:05Channing Crowder?

  Like, being a young dude, now you're like, back then.

• 11:07Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 11:08Channing Crowder?

  Because I guess in basketball, it's different than football. Where like, the trades aren't like you're saying, oh, we can get this dude, we'll trade that five dudes.

• 11:15Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 11:15Channing Crowder?

  Does it take a second? Or like, as a young dude, how long did it take to get that transition of like, listen, honestly, bro, you're a commodity. You're a human, but, okay, you can go,

• 11:25Ryan Clark?

  Asset.

• 11:25Channing Crowder?

  You can go 11, 8, 7. Okay, we need 11, 8, 7. So, I'm gonna get this 34, 5 and 4 for 3 11, 8. You know what I'm saying? Just stuff like that. What's that transition like? Like you said, to understand it's a business. You're a human, but you're really, you know, you're a 3. You're a 2. You know what I'm saying?

• 11:43Speaker 05

  It's tough, because it's like, this is my first trade deadline where I'm like, oh, I can't get traded. Not because like, I was like, oh yeah, I'm the man. My contract, I couldn't get traded until the day after the trade deadline, because it was like, the six month period for my extension was over. So, this was like, the first time trade deadline. I'm just sitting there, I got my feet up, I'm just, I'm kicking it. Like, I have like, relief. Every other time, like, you're sitting there like, you know, alright, where am I going? Like, you know, and I feel like my style, like you said, like, you know, I can kind of be thrown in different situations, and I can kind of figure it out and be impactful. So, it's like, for me, it's like, sometimes I'm like, yeah,

• 12:24Speaker 05

  I have no idea where I'm going. I have no idea where I'm gonna be next week. I don't know if I'm gonna be... You know, a Nick, I don't know if I'm gonna be a Laker. I don't know if I'm gonna be a Oklahoma City Thunder. Like, it's just, that's like the tough part of it. Because it's like, we have families. It's like, just have kids. Now you trying to figure out, my wife, my kids coming? Are they gonna stay here? You know, they gonna start school? Like, you have a whole bunch of stuff. So sometimes, that's why you see guys get traded. And their minds totally somewhere else. Because it's like, you don't have your family. You don't have like that, like, safe area to go back to. You know, at home, it's just like, at that point, it's just, you working that nine to five, basically.

• 13:09Fred Taylor?

  Playing ball.

• 13:10Speaker 05

  Exactly.

• 13:11Fred Taylor?

  You pinned a post after you guys lost. You said, "Home is where the heart is." You know, having gone through those different trades and all those different emotions, does it feel like this is home?

• 13:24Speaker 05

  Yeah, I loved my time in L.A. Loved it. I actually really liked New Orleans. New Orleans, they treated me right. They were good. Portland, Quick Stent, was cool. But here, it's like, it's just, the vibe of it is a little different. This is Nick City. People here love the Knicks. So just like that vibe that they get of just, you know, showing me love, showing my family love. I'm from Maryland, so I get parents. Like, during this whole playoffs, my parents were here. Then they were flying to Indy or going down to Philly. You know, my host family, my wife, her family comes up and friends come up. So this feels like home, not just on the court and how I'm embraced by the fans and my teammates and all that,

• 14:09Speaker 05

  but also just where the location is. I just, I see everybody. I have friends from high school. You know, that's like my closest friends that I see all the time. So, you know, it feels like home.

• 14:20Fred Taylor?

  With it feeling that way, you guys won the national championship in Madison Square. How was, how are those feelings? Going into those games every night when you're playing the home games, being able to look up and have that reminder? You have a banner in there too, right?

• 14:35Speaker 05

  So we, we've won the Big East joints in MSG. We have our national championship banner in Philly. So every time we play there, you always look up and see that. But it's just like, you know, you played their Big East tournament for four years. Couple sad moments, but a couple of good moments. And so you just, you just have so many emotions when you go, when you go into a Garden. And it's like, for me, I've, I feel like I've had pretty good success in the Garden. And it's just like, the energy is just, is totally different. Like, you know, when you, in certain football arenas, like, you go in, it's like, aight, like,

• 15:16Speaker 05

  the fans, where we are, like, all that, like, goes into it, like, that's, that's how the Garden is. So every time, you know, you go there, especially, you know, as, at Nova, we were always the one seed. So we would always use the Knicks locker room. So it's like, we would be in the Knicks locker room. And now, you know, 10 years later, you know, I'm sitting in the same seat I was sitting in when we were winning Biggie's championships. So it's just, it's cool to see everything just kind of come, you know, full circle. But that's also the scary part of it, because I'm like, sitting here like, yeah, it's home, it's perfect situation, on court, off court, dah dah dah. And it's like, in three months, I could be, I could be somewhere else.

• 15:55Speaker 05

  So you always have to like, you know, embrace where you are, but kind of be, be ready to, you know, to know that, you know, there could be another chapter and you can have no saying it.

• 16:06Ryan Clark?

  You mentioned family, being able to come see you here in New York, but you got a piece of your family on the team too, with Jalen and Dante. I've seen somewhere you called yourself a polite a-hole.

• 16:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 16:18Ryan Clark?

  Right? I, I get that. I am fully, fully aware of humans like that. They're like, "What you looking at me for?" They close the home, didn't they? That's like my, that's kind of like my favorite humans. Is that why Dante put hands on you at school, though? You got beat up?

• 16:35Speaker 05

  No, no, I ain't give it up. I ain't give it up. I ain't give it up. So we, I said, I said something out of pocket I shouldn't have said. And then, he, he basically told me he was at a, he had like a, like a 10-pound weight. And he was like, he was like, "Hit me." So I said, I told him, I said, you better knock me out because if you don't, it's curtains. And then I, we got it, I won't, I won't go play by play, but then we got into it. Then me and Tay, we got into it a couple of times. But it's funny just because like, he's kind of similar to me. Not as much the a-hole part. We always used to go at it a little bit, but it was always like, you know, from love. But we always went at it.

• 17:17Ryan Clark?

  I saw a little bit of that though, when he got after old boy going down the court against the Pacers in the last series. And so I think, I think you need those sorts of people around. And when you find that common ground though, when it's like, yeah, we are very similar, we do butt heads, but once you get to the love part of that, like that's a connection that I think, you know, those things last a lifetime. Going back to the series, you know, you became a starter this year, I think with Julius went out. There was a point in these playoffs for you to leading rebounder at six foot five. And you have, you do have that, that scrappy level of play, that intensity, the way you compete. But man, there were games, what, three or four games, you played the entire game.

• 18:02Ryan Clark?

  How difficult was this stretch run for y'all as y'all constantly lost players, having to play teams like Philly, who would have been a higher seed if Joel is healthy, and also Indy who lost Halliburton for a lot of the year. How difficult was it to be shorthanded?

• 18:19Speaker 05

  Extremely, because you, you know, after, you know, we made that trade and we got OG and we, in January, we were, we were like 15-1, 16-1, we were rolling. We have like the best defense, one of the best offenses, like, you know, like mid-season, you rolling, you like, aight, like, yeah, we, yeah, we gonna, we gonna make some noise. And then it's like, you know, one domino falls and it's like, alright, like, okay, we can, like, we'll still be, we'll still be straight. We got a, you know, a deep team, then another one falls and you just sitting there like, ah, he, he might come back, so we just gotta keep, we gotta keep it afloat, you know what I mean? We gotta just hold on. So it was just like, those dominos just keep falling.

• 19:01Speaker 05

  And that, and it's like, one of the things that, as y'all know, is winning a championship or being successful, sometimes it just comes down to just luck. You know what I mean? It just comes down to, you know, where the ball bounces, you know, if a guy's hurt, if a guy's not hurt. So we, you know, it was tough because we went from like, okay, we can really make some noise to We out there, we out there fighting.

• 19:25Channing Crowder?

  Fight for my life.

• 19:26Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. And it was like, for me, I'm a competitor. I love to compete at the highest level. So I was, you know, once I started seeing guys, you know, just going down, it was like, okay, I gotta, I gotta step my play up. I gotta like step my minutes up.

• 19:42Ryan Clark?

  Was there a conversation with you and Tibbs though? Where he told you, you'd play more minutes or you'd be playing full games?

• 19:48Speaker 05

  Nah, you know, first and foremost, like probably like five, six times a game. Was just looking like, yo, are you good? You need a sub, you need something? And I'm like, it was like, I'm like, yo, if I need something, I'll come to you. I'll say, I'll let you know if I'm, I need a sub or something. If not, I'm good. But it was just one of those things like you just, you know, once you, once you have guys going down, it's like, I gotta, I gotta pick my stuff up. I gotta, I gotta step up and I gotta, I gotta go out there hoop. And if, you know, during playoff time, it's like I gotta push my body to, to the max. You know, to, to the point where, you know, it's either, you know, it's, it's my body shutting down.

• 20:28Speaker 05

  And that was, you know, my thought process was I'm, I'm a, you know, go until, until the wheels fall off. And that was just kind of my mentality. All-star break to, to the last game of the season.

• 20:40Ryan Clark?

  Do you know, since you've been traded here, the only team with more wins than the Knicks is Boston and Denver?

• 20:50Speaker 05

  We might be, and we might be on top of that if we ain't have these injuries this year.

• 20:54Channing Crowder?

  Y'all brought up Tibbs. They say Tibbs worked the dog shit out of you. You've been on some teams like that, that whole, the national narrative is Tibbs worked people to death. And then you get the injuries and you've seen through his career, like you go, does he, does he really work players harder than other coaches?

• 21:11Speaker 05

  The thing about the NBA, and it might be the same with, I think sports in general. Like, once you get a label, it's almost impossible to get, you know, to, to change that label, to change that narrative. So it might've been like that in Chicago or Minnesota, wherever it was. But since, you know, my year, year and a half I've been here. Man, it be light. It be chill. Like, we'd do like, we probably went live, maybe like, six, seven times this whole season during practice. Most of the time, it's more mental. It's more, all right, we're running through these plays. We're, you know, doing 25 passes, figuring out like,

• 21:54Speaker 05

  if Jalen gets blitzed, or if Julius gets blitzed, where are we supposed to be? And it's more the mental part where you have to lock in with his practice. It's not really physical. We're not running up and down. We're not doing much. And from, coming from me, someone that hates practice, like, I hate practice, bro. I hate doing like this, turn them lights on at 7:30 at the Garden, I'm good. But, you know, for me, I'm like, oh, this is it? Oh, we good, like, we cool. I'm chilling. So, I think he got kind of an unfair narrative that kind of follows him around. And if you look at the injuries we had this year, you know, Julius basically falling, you know, someone trying to take a charge, he falls, you know,

• 22:39Speaker 05

  on his shoulder, freak incident. Bogey, unfortunately, like Nick Batum, tried to dive for a loose ball, you know, caught a piece of his ankle, freak incident. Mitch, you know, stress injuries, you know, those are tough ones, you know? Jalen breaking his hand, freak incident. You know, OG pulling his hamstring, you know, he's going full speed for, you know, to try to get a ball. You never know what's gonna happen. So, you know, a lot of the injuries we had were freak incidents. And then it's like, all right, we got seven, eight healthy players, and then you mad at a dude for playing six. It's like, as y'all know, sometimes the seven or eighth guy, or ninth guy, like, they're not ready yet. They might be, they have the potential to be,

• 23:24Speaker 05

  but they're, at this point in time, they might not be ready. So, it's like, you gotta go with, you know, who you know and who you trust.

• 23:31Fred Taylor?

  Jay, let's pivot for a quick second. Let's go back down memory lane to your childhood. You were almost kicked out of high school. Why?

• 23:41Speaker 05

  Boy, my grades was rough. So, we went, I went to public school my whole life, man. So, public school, it was like, ah, you know, you turn your stuff in, you getting Cs, Bs, or whatever. So, I'm like, freshman year in high school, my GPA like 3.6, I was cool, I was locked in. And then I transferred to Sidwell. And it was, it was like they were speaking a different language, but like stuff that they was learning. I, I had no unders, I, I couldn't comprehend what they were talking about. They were, they were just like explicating poems and talking about how this author would put a capital letter here in this, on this word in the middle of a sentence.

• 24:26Speaker 05

  And that means you, you know, get the reader to fully comprehend, you know, his mind. I'm like, bro, what the hell are y'all talking about, dog? I'm sitting there, but like, this makes no sense. This is because of you coming out with a three-letter explanation. Cause he capitalized the T and the in the middle of the sentence. It's like, bro, this makes no sense. So, so I, so my grades was bad. And it was like, I would take our bus ride to school. So I'd be up at six. I'm like, first, first period, English, I'm like falling asleep. My wife now at the time was in my class, she's laughing at me and all that. After my sophomore year, they were like, yeah. I think my dad still has the, the letter that they gave him.

• 25:11Speaker 05

  Like, yeah, we think he should be going somewhere else. We think he'll be more successful elsewhere with his basketball career and, you know, da, da, da. Thing that, that was cool was people around me, you know, my friends, people in like the, you know, the Sidwell friends community, parents and some teachers. You know, they kind of went to bat for me and they were like, we didn't give him the proper resources to be successful. You know, they kind of rallied and kind of changed the, the headmaster decision to, to let me back in. And at that point, it was like, I can't, I can't leave that support structure that, you know, that went to bat for me to, to go somewhere else. Cause I was thinking about going to Montrose Christian. I was like, I'm gonna just go play for Stu Vetter, I'm gonna go hoop.

• 25:54Speaker 05

  Get, you know, get rain to go wherever college I want to go to and call it a day. But then, once they did all that, it was like, I can't, I can't leave, you know, this.

• 26:04Ryan Clark?

  The schools also famous, Chelsea Clinton went there.

• 26:07Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:08Ryan Clark?

  Both of the Obama.

• 26:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 26:10Ryan Clark?

  Girls also went to that high school. And that just sort of tells you the level of status and family.

• 26:19Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:20Ryan Clark?

  That goes to that school. I went to a private school. I remember walking in the kitchen and my mom's on the phone telling the lady that collects the payments. Okay, I can pay you, I get paid at this time. I can cash my check and pay y'all this much. I get paid at that time, I can cash my check and pay y'all that much. When I was around families who lived in these big houses, I'd go visit them. And I could just tell, like, we were different. But I was a football player and they wanted me to go to that school. And they gave me a little bit of help at times. For you, were there ever moments where it was uncomfortable? Because you knew you didn't come from what those people at those schools came from.

• 26:57Speaker 05

  When I stepped into that building, when I stepped out that building. That was my moment. It was three years of that moment. And it was just, like you said, like, people there got, you know, like, most of them come from money, right? So I remember one time in my sophomore year, you got to leave campus during lunch or free period. Like, you get a sign out. I'm like, oh, this is dope. Y'all get to leave? Y'all only get to leave here? Okay. And, and I still, well, I'm not gonna lie, like, their food was like absurd. Like, bro, they had, whatever you wanted, they, they basically had. So I'm sitting there like, you know, knowing I don't got two quarters to rub together.

• 27:40Speaker 05

  I'm over there dining and, and then one of my, one of my friends, it was like, yo, we about to go to Chipotle for, for, uh, for lunch. Bro, you wanna come with? I looked at him, I'm like, I got no bread, bro. I got no, I got no bread to buy this $6 Chipotle burrito. And the dude, he ain't understand, he was like, what you mean bread? Like, bro, I don't know what you want. I said, bro, I don't got the money, bro. I don't, I don't got it. And like, that was like, one of my like, probably first couple of weeks there. And it was just like, you know, going to like, you know, friend's house or party, you know, going to, you know, some parties. It was always big crib. They'll go to Georgetown and hang out. I'm like, bro, I always say like, I hate to go into Georgetown. I'm like, I don't got no bread, you know, no bread to really be out here.

• 28:24Speaker 05

  I'm like, I'm, I'm out of my, my element right now. But um, those moments were just, it was a, it was a constant, you know, that whole time.

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• 29:33Ryan Clark?

  You had a host family.

• 29:35Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:36Ryan Clark?

  We talked to Caleb Williams. He went to Gonzaga.

• 29:40Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 29:40Ryan Clark?

  And he said his family just got him an apartment there, so he could be there. You know, your host family, you've gotten close enough to them to call them, you know, like moms or papa and different things like that. What was that experience like? And how grateful are you to them for, one, allowing you to be there throughout the weeks, go home on the weekends? But also your parents having that understanding that that was the best thing for you?

• 30:06Speaker 05

  It was tough, right? Because going through it, it was like, I was extremely...

• 30:13Speaker 05

  Excited about it because you know, we, they lived in gate to the burrow. We went downstairs. I had like my, basically have my own room like downstairs like the, like the, kind of like a little living room area. It was like my own space, right? So it was dope because we were in a, with my, with my family, we were in like a two bedroom apartment. It was like five of us at the time and then my dad welcomed one of my brother's friends in who's had a family tragedy. So it was like six of us. So I actually had like my own, you know, room, my own space. So I was, I was excited with that. I was grateful for, you know, my host family who obviously, you know, opened their house to me and gave me, you know, whatever resources I need to kind of be successful.

• 30:54Speaker 05

  And obviously I'm, I'm close to them to this day. Matt obviously, you know, is on the pod with me. Call her mom, uh, mama, call my host dad pops, you know, little brother Charlie. So I'm close to them to this day. Senior of Villanova, they actually moved to Philly because he was commuting back and forth to New York. So I got to see them all the time. So I was extremely grateful for everything that they, they did for me, they sacrificed for me. And then now, looking at it, from, you know, me having kids, I look at it from my parent's side. I'm just like, damn, like I know that was probably really

• 31:34Speaker 05

  tough for them. And I gotta show them, you know, a lot of love for it because, you know, they're basically, you know, giving their kid to, to someone else to raise for, you know, five, six days out the week. And like they come, come home for a Saturday or a Sunday, you know, if I'm not going out, hanging out with friends. So there was times, you know, my junior, senior year, they see me maybe once a week.

• 31:57Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 31:58Speaker 05

  You know, so I know that was probably tough for them. And now me, you know, being, being a parent, you know, I'm extremely thankful to them because they made that sacrifice. They're taking, you know, they're taking, you know, they're giving their baby away, um, you know, for, you know, for him to improve and grow up as a person. But, you know, for them, I know that was, you know, pretty tough.

• 32:23Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 32:23Channing Crowder?

  And bro, from that standpoint, because you're a teenager, right? They say what pressure bust pipes will make diamonds. You know for a fact you live, you living better because of basketball. Like the pressure of that on a teenager that did, did, did it, did you understand that? You just playing ball or like, I wouldn't be here if I couldn't go out and dunk. If I couldn't drop 30 a night, I would not be in this big ass house.

• 32:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, a little bit and it was, it was something that was cool. Cause my dad were, you know, would constantly say even like when I was in college and I was trying to figure out draft stuff or, you know, you know, you know, just other things. And I'm, and he always told us like, don't, don't worry about us. Like we're, we're, we're gonna be okay. We're going, we're gonna figure it out. And my dad, man of faith, you know, he, um, he didn't want to put that on, you know, on me or, or any of his kids. He was like, no matter what, like we're gonna be okay. We might not have the most, but we're going to get through it.

• 33:30Speaker 05

  So for me, it was like, okay, I can go out there and I can just, you know, live my, you know, live my life and, and play ball how I want to play ball. In the back of my mind, obviously it's like, I gotta, I gotta hoop to make sure, you know, I'm going to college. I go to college, I'm, I, you know, good chance I go overseas or NBA and get bread that can help. But, you know, my, my, my dad, even my mom, they made sure like, it never was like a, a thing where it was like, yo, you, like there's pressure to, to, to, you know, to get there to help. Yeah, exactly. And that was something that was really, really cool for them.

• 34:09Speaker 05

  Cause I know, you know, times they were struggling, you know, whether it was like financially, physically, mentally, like, you know, but they didn't want any of their kids to have that burden on them.

• 34:21Channing Crowder?

  Did that make it?

• 34:22Ryan Clark?

  You know, you had a very simple three-word tweet that said you were gonna come back to Villanova for your senior year. You guys had one national championship. Could have been easy to try to go, whether it was early second, late first. Difficult probably to go through the combine process after a long season like that. What were the conversations around that decision with your father?

• 34:46Speaker 05

  It was really the same thing. I remember when I was talking to him and he was like, "Make this decision for you. Make what decision you think is the best decision for you. Do that because we're gonna be cool. We're fine. We're good." So it allowed me to just be like, okay, what is the best path for me to be successful? Not just as a hooper, but also as like a person. Like where am I going to continue to grow up? And to mature. And once he said that, I was like, I know I'm probably not ready for the NBA.

• 35:27Speaker 05

  But it was like, I was trying to get there just to get a check, to make sure like I can kinda help everybody out. And then once he said that, it was like, okay, I gotta... My best path is to go back. And it kinda freed me up for it.

• 35:42Ryan Clark?

  What's crazy about that team though, bro, is like, y'all are the exact opposite of what they look for in the draft now. That team, Villanova. When you look at Mikail, obviously a star now in Brooklyn, much like you do, never misses a game, plays a ton of minutes. Jalen, Dante, y'all were all guys that stayed in school and won and developed skills. What was the experience like there under Jay Wright? There was someone who won a ton of Emmys last week and he looked at Jay Wright and said, "Man, I appreciate you. I appreciate you for Josh and for Jalen and for Dante. I'm a big Knicks fan."

• 36:25Ryan Clark?

  You know, what was the experience like there to win a ton of games, but to also know that when it comes to the draft, when it comes to the league, guys who stay in school in that way aren't looked at as those high ceiling sort of dudes?

• 36:40Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's like the frustrating part of where the NBA is in that, right? It's all about potential. It's like if a dude is... 6'9", lengthy, athletic, like, oh, he has the potential to be all NBA guy. So we gotta take him in the lottery pick. But the guy that was, you know, player of the year, the guy that averaged 20, or the guy who's Tina won national championship, it's like, ah, that's cool, but, you know, he's a little bit older, 22, like, 21, you're older.

• 37:09Ryan Clark?

  Did y'all actually think about that, though, at school?

• 37:11Speaker 05

  Not, not too much. I think it was always like toward the end of the year, right? Like, once like the season is over, you know, you started looking at it, and it's like, I have, I have a chance to maybe go out now, I'm like younger, you know what I mean? Like, I'm not sure who's gonna be here next year. And you always, you know, you always hear about that, and you always talk about it. But it was just one of those things, like, you know, we all were comfortable with ourselves, and we knew, like, we all have our own path. I, I think that's why, you know, we are where we are, I think, because we all were overlooked at some point, or doubted at some point. So we had to make sure we worked twice as hard to, to show our potential, you know, than, you know, rather than just the lengthy 6'9" guy that can-

• 37:56Ryan Clark?

  Jump out the gym.

• 37:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly.

• 37:57Fred Taylor?

  It reminds me of a little bit of my career, not, not testing free agency and going to other teams. Chill out, let me, let me get to the point. Not going to other teams. And in retrospect, like, what I was able to get from that was my name put in the Ring of Honor. Like, my kids can see that forever. And much like yourself, if you didn't come back your junior, I mean, for your senior year, you might not get your jersey retired.

• 38:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:24Fred Taylor?

  You have something to share with your children, and they can share with their children, and, and it's gonna be in your family forever.

• 38:31Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:31Fred Taylor?

  So without coming back, do you think that moment happened?

• 38:35Speaker 05

  Nah, probably not. Um, my, my senior year, obviously, we didn't win it, but, um, you know, individually, I had a lot of success. You know, I got to be Big East Player of the Year, Defensive Player of the Year, I was like runner-up in, you know, national Player of the Year. You know, and I had more like notoriety to my name. So like, I was able to, you know, have success and obviously now have my jersey retired there. And that's something that if I left a year early, I don't think I probably would have had. So it's, it's like you said, it's something that, you know, when I, you know, go back, you know, you get to see that and it's like, you know, it's cool. And like, you know, whenever my kids, hopefully they go to Villanova. But, uh, but, uh, whenever they go there, they get to see that.

• 39:20Speaker 05

  And, you know, hopefully they can be proud like, yeah, that's my, that's my dad.

• 39:23Fred Taylor?

  That feels that good. How much, how much money do you get for having a jersey?

• 39:27Speaker 05

  Not a damn thing. I don't get no bread from it.

• 39:30Fred Taylor?

  You can't eat nothing in the rafters, man.

• 39:34Ryan Clark?

  It, it turned into money for him though.

• 39:36Speaker 05

  That's true. But, uh, but me and you, say we sitting there, say we watching a game at the Pavilion or something like that. One, I'm gonna get love. I'm gonna get, whenever I get, whenever I go back to Nova, it's, it's gonna get love. So like, that's dope. But then, whenever we talking, we, we start reminiscing about it in my mind.

• 39:56Fred Taylor?

  That's the thing.

• 39:57Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, man, I don't know, I remember that, boy.

• 40:01Fred Taylor?

  Cause I always, I, I, I play with it in my mind too. Because for me, I used to go to games as a youth and I would see these names around the state and I never knew what it meant. Until after I got in there, it's like, oh, that is, that's the ring of honor. But even like LeBron and these guys that are from different teams, when they don't necessarily have to go, like when he went to Miami, then back to Cleveland, then to, to LA. Talking about being the face of an organization. Like, D Wade is gonna have a statue because he was in Miami for forever. Like, AI in Philly. It's about legacy. It's not always about money. And those are the point, chill out. What about AI's little bitty statue, man?

• 40:45Ryan Clark?

  That's how they do it though.

• 40:48Ryan Clark?

  They had him in the crossover joint.

• 40:50Fred Taylor?

  Shaq is in Philly.

• 40:54Ryan Clark?

  All of them are small.

• 40:54Fred Taylor?

  Oh, the figurines. They have a, it's like a trophy room almost.

• 40:59Speaker 05

  It's like outside the practice facility. So whenever you drive up, you see like.

• 41:03Ryan Clark?

  You know whoever, whoever they had, Dr. J and all them. But they all like this, they all miniature size.

• 41:08Channing Crowder?

  Oh, they got the, yeah, Dr. J got the little miniature.

• 41:11Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, they all, they all got it. And they all doing different things too. So AI is doing the crossover, so he's already low. And then the statue ain't but this big too. And the bottom is fat, so it make it, so it make it look.

• 41:23Fred Taylor?

  But Channing will tell you though, like he, he counted his checks. Like every week he say, all right, I play this game, this is what I'm gonna get paid. So that was his motivation. And for a while, like just, and just going back to me, like my motivation turned from that to something else. When I had an opportunity to make 10,000 yard club, I went hard for it and all this other stuff. So for me, it, it went from grinding and being motivated by the money to being motivated by potential legacy. Something to leave so my kids can see it. That's all.

• 41:53Ryan Clark?

  Shoot, I was just trying to make teams. I wasn't drafted. I was just like, shit, let me, let me see if I could get on the field.

• 41:59Channing Crowder?

  I'm on the roster this week.

• 42:00Ryan Clark?

  Shoot, then I get to, hey, hey, here today, I get to Washington. I remember I got to Washington, first practice, I'm sick, I was sick or so. So I didn't got tired. And S. Dot, Sean Taylor walks up to me, he's like, look, Killer, you gotta get up. And I was like, I'm trying, I am trying. It's just, it was just for me, man, it was the focus of making teams. But like the, to get to the point to where you are, to have the standing ovation with three minutes left to go in the game. You know, Tibbs understands it's over, you guys are down big. Like that's a, that's a journey in itself for you to be able to say that you're home. You haven't had an opportunity to play in the finals, but you've won Big East. Thank you.

• 42:44Ryan Clark?

  It's all right. Like of, of the people here, I'm the only one that's played in a professional championship.

• 42:48Channing Crowder?

  There you go.

• 42:49Ryan Clark?

  It's okay.

• 42:49Channing Crowder?

  He like to do this to us, bro.

• 42:50Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, it ain't, it ain't your fault, Josh. You did all you could do to get your team there, as did I, but we got there twice.

• 42:57Fred Taylor?

  I played in the AFC Championship.

• 42:58Ryan Clark?

  And it doesn't really count. If you look back on just growing up a basketball fan, what is your favorite finals memory?

• 43:06Speaker 05

  The 06 Miami run. D Wade, D Wade was my favorite player growing up. So just watching his finals run was absurd because he did everything. He scored, he rebounded, he defended. He did literally everything it took to win. So there's that. And then I won't say it's my favorite because obviously it was D Wade's, but the most impactful obviously is Bron's block. Because it was just, you can see just the want, right? The want from, you know, outpacing everybody from, you know, where he started, he started at the free throw line or under the free throw line, wherever he was. And you see like the determination, the grit, the toughness in that moment.

• 43:49Speaker 05

  So those are probably my two, you know, finals memories.

• 43:53Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, if I could get two, it would be Jordan and Byron Russell and Kobe on the injured ankle against the Indiana Pacers when Shaq goes down. Like those are the moments that we might see from a Tatum or from an Ant. And I mean, 40 other people could see it through Fanatic Sportsbook. They're giving away 20 pairs of tickets to the finals for finals experience. You download the app, opt in, and that's all you gotta do to enter. So I think that's a dope part of the entire thing. You know, and it would be you bringing a championship somewhere close to home. But you mentioned, you know, having twins. I have to ask, I think the names are so dope. How'd you come up with Hayes and Hendrix?

• 44:37Speaker 05

  Honestly, it was just totally random. So Jeremy Grant, one of my, went to DeMatha. I've known him since high school. We were together in Portland. So his girl was pregnant at the time, mine was too. So he was like, yeah, if there's a boy on my name, I'm Hendrix. I was like, oh, that's, that's hard. And then, and then he got on a plane like four weeks later. He was like, yeah, I'm having a girl. I'm like, damn, I have two boys. So I might have to take one, I might have to take Hendrix. So I got Hendrix. And then we're at, um, We're at dinner, me, my wife,

• 45:13Speaker 05

  Matt, my host brother, and I think his fiancee, Samara, was there. And we're going down, my wife wanted H's, right? So I was like, I want, we always talk about Hayden. Hayden was supposed to be, you know, supposed to be one of the names. So we're going down, just saying random names, da-da-da. So Matt's like Hayes. And then she, my wife was like, oh, oh my God, that is it. So I was just like, and I was sick, cause like, I wanted a junior. Like forever, I wanted a little JJ, he was gonna be, he was good. And then, obviously, twins, I couldn't do that. Well, I tried, my wife told me I couldn't do that. So, yeah, I stole Hendrix from Jeremy, and then Matt just randomly said Hayes, and we were going with it.

• 45:55Speaker 05

  But now sometimes people think we big Jimi Hendrix fans, so.

• 45:59Ryan Clark?

  That's what made me ask, but I actually like this story more, that you just stole your homeboy's baby name.

• 46:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly.

• 46:04Ryan Clark?

  Like he can't have, like he can't have a son in the future, you know what I'm saying?

• 46:08Speaker 05

  Too late.

• 46:10Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you didn't took the man.

• 46:11Speaker 05

  Hendrix, me Hendrix.

• 46:14Ryan Clark?

  This is, he was supposed to have your name first, but you was born first, so you got it.

• 46:18Speaker 05

  Exactly, so now, but y'all both got it now, so y'all good.

• 46:20Ryan Clark?

  You know, and moving here, though, and talking about being close to family and all of those things, how does that help your marriage, help your family? Because you have a rare story to say, to be able to say, in my sophomore year, my now-wife would laugh at me. That's not a story you get to hear a lot of times when guys go off to college, and then they make it in the league and have these opportunities. You meet these different people. How much of a factor was her happiness in this place feeling more like home?

• 46:55Speaker 05

  Oh, that was, that was one of the main things. Because I, you know, LA, she wasn't with me. We were together, but she wasn't, you know, we didn't live together. Got down to New Orleans, she was living with me, and it was cool. Like, you know, it's not too far, and like, New Orleans is solid. Then we go to Portland, man, Portland was, for her, it was miserable. She was as far away from home as she could be, as far away from her friends. She doesn't, like, she, she's a very nervous flyer. So she doesn't like getting on planes that much. She would take some calming, you know, pill, but obviously, pregnant, she can't do that, so. A lot of times, I would be gone for, you know,

• 47:40Speaker 05

  a couple of days at a time, or Portland sometime, you have two-week road trips. So, a lot of times, she was just in the house by herself. You know, sometimes her mom would come up, or a friend would come up if they had time. But I felt bad for her just because she just, she was just, she felt so alone. So, we got traded, we go to New York, she's hyped as hell. And then, you know, the past summer, you know, I was going into, you know, going into free agency. So, I could opt that in and extend, or to be a free agent, and try to figure out where the money was. So, we had conversations, you know, I'll be in the car, my agent's calling me, and we're talking through possibilities.

• 48:22Speaker 05

  And I'm not gonna say like, other teams, but like, those other teams that popped up, like, oh, it could be. And I see her face looking at me, she's just sitting there like, we going there? That's where we gonna go? And I was just, so I'm like, looking at her, I'm just like, driving, I'm like, dang. I'm like, man, this is gonna be tough. So, it was just like, it just made so much sense, you know, having kids, having to help, having my parents, host parents, her mom comes up all the time. So, her happiness definitely was one of the main priorities, you know, going into, if I'm gonna do free agency, or just try to get an extension.

• 49:03Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you know, you sign an extension, and that ends up being, you know, a great year for your team. You get to Indiana, they got Siakam, who comes from Toronto. But obviously, that team's run by Halliburton. And the way he finished, you know, you guys had played so well against him at home. For him to finish that game the way he did, now they're going to Boston. When you look at the East, right, the two final teams, who are the players you think will have the biggest impact on what happens?

• 49:37Speaker 05

  Obviously, you know, Ty Breeze, TJ, TJ McConnell.

• 49:41Ryan Clark?

  He said he was a dog when he was playing, though.

• 49:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean, yeah, he did, and I... I love TJ. TJ's a great dude, but just someone who competes at a high level. Doesn't matter who he's going against, doesn't matter what's happening, he's going to compete. And he, and once Tyrese goes, there was a couple of times in our series, Tyrese went out and he elevated how they were playing. So he's going to be, he's going to be big. On the other side, it's just going to be, you know, more curious to see how they end the games. And see how like Tatum and Jalen Brown end games. Cause they, you know.

• 50:18Ryan Clark?

  One of the most like phenomenal winning duos in the regular season, but they haven't finished, you're right.

• 50:24Speaker 05

  Yeah. And it was like, you know, sometimes when games are close down the stretch, sometimes you're like, I'm not sure how, how this game's going to end. I'm not sure. Like, I don't think they're going to win. Like, and then once I saw them go into overtime, I'm like, ah, Indiana blew that chance.

• 50:39Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 50:40Speaker 05

  But most important thing is how is Tatum and Jalen Brown going to, that last six minutes when it's, we got to go win this, you know, how, how they're, how they're going to perform.

• 50:52Ryan Clark?

  Give it to the light-skinned dude. Oh, so if you, so. Tatum, Tatum going to go Halliburton. All right. So your top five then, that's left. You got Tatum. Tatum there. You got Halliburton left. And I'm just talking about ability, but you can look at their skin color if you want to. Top five left, okay. So Tatum, Halliburton. On the other side, you got to go Kyrie. Luca. Anthony Edwards. And Luca. I love Ant. Antoine, bro. And Antoine. Antoine, to me, that's left.

• 51:22Speaker 05

  Luca would probably be too.

• 51:24Ryan Clark?

  I.

• 51:25Speaker 05

  Ant, Luca.

• 51:34Speaker 05

  Kyrie.

• 51:35Ryan Clark?

  I'm telling you, bro. Luca, Kyrie. Kyrie's up there. Kyrie's one of them. In front of Tatum?

• 51:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's where I'm going.

• 51:42Ryan Clark?

  Okay, I'll let you handle it.

• 51:44Speaker 05

  And obviously everyone has, you know, struggles shooting the ball, something. They go through like slumps and all that, right? But game one, fourth quarter, in overtime, you know, Jalen Tatum went two for 10.

• 51:56Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 51:56Speaker 05

  Right? And obviously that's sometimes just, you know, where the ball bounces. He made the biggest shot of the game, you know, the step back three. But I might put over, just like impactful?

• 52:09Speaker 05

  I might put Derrick White more impactful than JT. Yeah. Especially since he cut his hair.

• 52:15Speaker 05

  Once he let it go, bro, he became the man.

• 52:19Speaker 06

  I was the money on Fanatics.

• 52:21Speaker 05

  Now with Derrick White. If you look at every, look at every main play in the last six minutes of the fourth to overtime. Every big play, he made. JT, you know, missed one, you know, you know, spinoff wide open layup. He gets, he gets offensive rebound, gives him another possession. He gets a defensive rebound, he gets a steal. He's probably one of the most impactful players because he does just everything on the court and does everything at a very high level.

• 52:52Fred Taylor?

  So we have this thing called Fanatics Pivot Parlay. It's a three-team parlay and he picked Derrick White. The combination bet, he picked, you picked Indy.

• 53:04Speaker 05

  Indy by point.

• 53:04Fred Taylor?

  Plus, plus 10.

• 53:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:06Fred Taylor?

  My bet was Tatum under 29. He had 26 in regular in the mission.

• 53:12Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 53:13Fred Taylor?

  He went to overtime, you're talking about making plays and lifting your team. He scored another 10 points and I killed the parlay. I let the team down, but like the overtime is out of my control.

• 53:22Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 53:23Fred Taylor?

  Right, so I hope, I hope that any, any of you fans out there that took the pivot parlay, I'm sorry, blaming on JT because he went crazy in overtime.

• 53:33Speaker 05

  They need to blame it on the Pacers, don't blame him, blame the Pacers because the Pacers up three. Foul. With 10 seconds. One, you just gotta inbound the ball. Get the ball, get the ball in. One, and then two, the foul, I would say there was no chance to foul. Yeah. Because once he caught it. He went up. Yeah, he caught it and shot fake.

• 53:51Fred Taylor?

  He was shot.

• 53:51Speaker 05

  You don't know if he's shot faking or not. So once you see his, once you see him go up, it's, we just gotta, whatever happens at this point is gonna happen. So there was no chance for him to really foul, but 10 seconds left.

• 54:05Ryan Clark?

  That's when you got, you gotta be able to inbound the ball. Whether it's a play or one of your guys is sitting there like, aight, I'mma be more physical and stronger and I'm gonna, I'm gonna get open.

• 54:17Speaker 05

  Alright, so, it ain't on you, brother.

• 54:19Fred Taylor?

  It is on you.

• 54:21Speaker 05

  It ain't on you, my dog.

• 54:22Fred Taylor?

  So, the Fanatic Sportsbook fans, it's not on me.

• 54:24Speaker 05

  It was supposed to be 26.

• 54:26Fred Taylor?

  Hey, I, I went under. I went under. I thought right, but...

• 54:29Ryan Clark?

  Well, you already messed up the parlay. So, they gotta do it themselves. They just download the app, Fanatic Sportsbook app, and they can win prizes for the finals, but as long as they don't take your advice.

• 54:41Speaker 05

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• 55:47Fred Taylor?

  This is, uh, like, I just wanted to ask you, because RC mentioned Washington when he was there. I know you're a Commanders fan, right? Are you excited about the new regime? New ownership, new head coach, new quarterback. How do you think the season's gonna go for you guys?

• 56:02Speaker 05

  So I'm extremely excited, but I want to taper my excitement down a little bit because...

• 56:07Ryan Clark?

  It's called scoring fan.

• 56:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, but I said, because every, every, I tell you, every year, bro, every year, I get hype. Every, every Sunday, I'm out there with my, with my jersey on, I'm watching games. And it's, it's been a struggle. So I'm just, I'm, I'm extremely excited, new regime. You got good, young players all over, but you know, I'm...

• 56:30Fred Taylor?

  You might have the best quarterback in the draft. Jalen?

• 56:34Speaker 05

  Yeah. Thing is, he can go, but are you going to, do they got enough to protect him?

• 56:40Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 56:40Speaker 05

  And do they got enough weapons to help him?

• 56:43Fred Taylor?

  Great question.

• 56:45Speaker 05

  The weapons are, they're, yeah. I like Terry.

• 56:50Ryan Clark?

  Here's what I'm saying, they got, they got players, Jalen Dotson has to play better.

• 56:53Speaker 05

  Jalen Dotson, yeah.

• 56:53Ryan Clark?

  Jalen gotta play better, Brian Robinson can run, they were a team that can run the football. He, he is special, I've known him since he was 17. Him and my son committed to Arizona State together. And like, he can really play, he's developed into a leader. He's, he's more adult than some of the guys that come in, because you know, guys leave after three years. So I'm excited to see it, and the ownership is different.

• 57:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 57:15Ryan Clark?

  Like, you've been there, bro.

• 57:16Speaker 05

  Big difference, yeah.

• 57:17Ryan Clark?

  You grew up there, you knew what the, the ownership was like, some of the toxicity.

• 57:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 57:21Ryan Clark?

  Around that whole place, man, and so that's, I think that's a, a big piece of it. But back to you, because you are an Eagle Scout.

• 57:33Speaker 05

  There it is. It's always one. It's always one.

• 57:37Fred Taylor?

  I graduated, bro, he did me like that because I graduated.

• 57:40Speaker 05

  It's always one. I was looking out the ceiling, I'm like, yeah, there it is.

• 57:44Fred Taylor?

  Always, always.

• 57:47Ryan Clark?

  You didn't even want to finish Eagle Scout.

• 57:49Speaker 05

  Hell no, because of that. That's why, I ain't doing this.

• 57:53Fred Taylor?

  You go to school to tie a knot?

• 57:57Ryan Clark?

  Josh.

• 57:57Speaker 05

  I was out there pissing the tuns and all.

• 58:01Speaker 05

  Get my sleeping bag, alright, let's go.

• 58:03Channing Crowder?

  You calling on Survivor?

• 58:05Ryan Clark?

  No, what's that like, though? You, you, you hooping, like, and you really hooping, right? You, you coming into your own as a hooper, but your pops was like, nah, you started this Boy Scout stuff. You know, you had family members that did that, your brothers may have did it. What's that experience like, man? Being a, a 6'4" Boy Scout?

• 58:24Speaker 05

  I was the biggest one out there, I'll tell you that. Man, I was, the whole time, I'm like, I'm sitting there.

• 58:32Speaker 05

  I'm like, bro, I don't want to do this, like, bro, this is corny. I don't want to do none of this. I'm like, I, there was one time, it was like, middle school. I'm like, I basically was like, I don't, I don't really want to do this no more. So my dad was like, alright, like, let me just, promise you gonna finish. And yeah, at middle school, you know, you, you just, you say whatever. Like, you just say whatever to, to get out of this. I'm like, ah, yeah, whatever, I promise. I ain't do it, it was quiet for three years. I'm out there just, I, I'm focused on basketball, I'm hooping. I'm like a sophomore, a junior in high school. And then, after, after practice one day, he's like, yo, let's, let's take a ride. I'm like, cool. Holds up to the man, and I look at him.

• 59:18Speaker 05

  Oh, he's in the driver, I'm looking, what we doing? He's like, you made me a promise that you gonna finish it. And I'm sitting there, I'm, I'm like, ain't no way he's serious, bro. Ain't, ain't no way he's serious. So like, first couple of months, I'm like dragging my feet. Yeah, yeah, okay, whatever. And then, there was like a top 100 camp, you know, for like, it's supposed to be like, top 100 players in the country. You know, they all go, it's where, you know, where, where people see you, so you gonna get rang, you gonna get, you know, offers, all that. He was like... Nah, you're not going. You gotta go to this, you gotta do this little camping trip. Because you told, you told me you were gonna finish. If you don't do thi- and you have to finish that by 18. At this point, I'm like 16.

• 1:00:03Speaker 05

  And it was like a pretty strict deadline in terms of like what I had to do to make sure I was able to finish when I was 18. So, and I know that, so I'm like, I'm dragging my feet with it. And so he's like, nah, you're not going, you're not going there. You gotta, you gotta do this, cuz if you don't do this, um, you're not gonna finish. And if you don't finish, like you're not going to Peace Jam, which is like the big Nike, big Nike, uh, tournament for all the Nike teams. So he, he was like, if you wanna hoop, if you wanna play basketball, you're gonna have to finish this. During it, dog, I hated it, bro. I was like, bro, this is so corny, this, all that. Like now, like, obviously, like, I appreciate it cuz it, it taught me, you know, to, you know, finish where I started, you know, leadership, you know, those kinda characteristics.

• 1:00:48Speaker 05

  But during it, man...

• 1:00:50Ryan Clark?

  Like, you had like the shorts on though, and everything? Or did y'all wear pants? Like, what's the, what's the Boy Scout attire?

• 1:00:56Speaker 05

  Bro, you had the collared, the collared little shirt. And then, yeah, they had shorts that were hella short. I'm 6'4", I'm like, bro, these, these made for like 5'10" white guys, like, bro, like. So I was, most of the time, I'd be wearing pants and all that, bro. It was, it was, it was interesting, bro.

• 1:01:18Fred Taylor?

  You got your badges?

• 1:01:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, my little sash with all the badges, yeah, I had it.

• 1:01:25Ryan Clark?

  Dog, could you imagine him rolling from a tournament? I mean, rolling from like Boy Scouts, and pops pull you up at a tournament though, and you hop out with all the best hoopers in the country? You got your sad ass shirt on?

• 1:01:37Speaker 05

  I know, never sold a lie today, bro, I tell you that.

• 1:01:42Ryan Clark?

  Do you have a picture of anything in your, in your Boy Scout?

• 1:01:45Speaker 05

  Uh, there is, you can find one online if you Google it. You Google it, I got one, I gotta see if I got one.

• 1:01:51Fred Taylor?

  He's getting out the car, they like, we bout to cook him.

• 1:01:55Ryan Clark?

  And then he just transformed, just turned into a monster out there. And you like, he got out the car in a sash.

• 1:02:03Speaker 05

  I tell you, it was my, one of my, one of my boys, he always, he would like, during the playoffs, he always would post stuff, like, like, saying like, "Good game," basically. And it was always like this video, this corny little video. And then he always be like, "Yeah, shout out to the Eagle." I'm like, "All right, bruh." Dudes out there calling me the Eagle, I'm like, "Nah, bruh, ain't no way, dawg."

• 1:02:33Speaker 05

  I was like, "Dawg, I gotta, I gotta, if I wanna hoop, I gotta finish."

• 1:02:37Ryan Clark?

  You the best Eagle Scout ever.

• 1:02:42Ryan Clark?

  They was like, "We gonna start an Eagle Scout, it's your Muriel team. We gonna win it all, we got Josh."

• 1:02:49Ryan Clark?

  So, here's my question for you though, man. I thought that we'd come here, you know, and I know that you hoopers do this. I thought you'd bring down, like, I mean, it's early, but you could've brought down some wine or something. I hear that's one of your, uh, your hobbies. You, you got your own wine cellar?

• 1:03:03Speaker 05

  Nah, so it's my, it's like a wine page. So, it's, uh, you know, I love drinking wine, right? So, um, everybody, "Oh, Josh, what you drinking?" or da, da, da, "What should I drink?" So, I, I just started posting stuff on Instagram, like, you know, I made a page and posted what I drank, or like, what I buy. So, I started, you know, doing that for the last, like, two, three years. And then I think, you know, when I'm done hooping, I might try to do something in that space. And then I'll probably just transform, you know, transform that page, you know, just kinda like my own personal, like, page into, you know, whatever I do. But it's something I'm, uh, I, I like, I have a passion for. I might have to start a little Boy Scout troop out there, make wine making into a merit badge or something. Might as well, right?

• 1:03:45Ryan Clark?

  We get you another little badge.

• 1:03:46Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:03:47Ryan Clark?

  You have a, a unique journey that you could mesh everything together, dawg.

• 1:03:52Speaker 05

  There's a lot in that journey, man. There's a lot, a lot of random stuff in that journey, but that's, that's me.

• 1:03:57Ryan Clark?

  Did Scotty Scheffler's arrest ruin the PGA Championship for you?

• 1:04:01Speaker 05

  Nah, because what was, what was, boy, what was Gangsta Body, boy, he... He got arrested, then he went out and shot like a, like a mile. Ninety-six. Yeah, I think it was like six under. I said, damn, he called, woo, that boy cold. And it's like, you look at the, you look at like the charges and it's like, it's like second degree, like some like, some type of like assault or whatever. It's like, bro, if you know like Scottie Scheffler, like one that looks like nicest dude, religious too. I'm just like, bro, everybody know he ain't doing nothing, bro. If any, if he did anything, bro, it was just a miscommunication. Yeah. But nah, I was still watching it.

• 1:04:40Fred Taylor?

  LeBron pulls up on the court with Opus One. What would be your bottle?

• 1:04:44Speaker 05

  I'll give two answers, right? I'll give, I'll give a bougie answer and a non-bougie answer. So like, every day I'll do like Heit Cellars. Heit is like one of my go-tos. And then, but if it's like, there's something, I'm just like, yo, I have, I want to drink Harlan Estate. That's like my, one of my favorite. Napa, Napa Cab.

• 1:05:03Fred Taylor?

  It's a cab?

• 1:05:04Speaker 05

  Yep. How much it costs? See, I don't even know if I want to tell you. You know how much it costs. Yeah.

• 1:05:12Ryan Clark?

  Pocky, watcher.

• 1:05:14Channing Crowder?

  Oh, I know how much money he made.

• 1:05:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:15Channing Crowder?

  Oh, I Google people. I know you got, listen, bro, you drink wine and watch golf. You're rich, so just come on with it.

• 1:05:23Speaker 05

  Wine, watches and golf, that's my three vices right there.

• 1:05:26Ryan Clark?

  He's rich or white.

• 1:05:28Speaker 05

  Yeah. Exactly.

• 1:05:30Ryan Clark?

  It ain't for two things you gonna be, if that's your hobbies.

• 1:05:33Speaker 05

  On release, it's like, I'm on the founder list, so it's probably like a thousand a bottle.

• 1:05:38Channing Crowder?

  What, for wine?

• 1:05:39Speaker 05

  Uh huh. Yeah, I got, I got one upstairs, you want to try it?

• 1:05:42Channing Crowder?

  Yes, I would love it.

• 1:05:42Speaker 05

  But you're saying, but that's the one you drink occasionally? That's not your everyday? I'll drink that one, yeah, I mean, for me, it's like, I got a, I got a lot of wine.

• 1:05:52Speaker 05

  So for me, it's at the point of like, if I'm, if I have a thousand bottle of wine, or I, say I got.

• 1:06:00Speaker 05

  $50,000 bottles of wine, right? It's like, there's only so many occasions. And I'm a, like I said, I'm idiotic and a dick. I'm gonna keep buying them. So it's like, at a certain point, it's like, I gotta drink. I can't just wait for special occasions.

• 1:06:14Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 1:06:14Speaker 05

  So I wake up, it's Tuesday at 3:00 in the afternoon. Whoa, it's a special occasion, baby. Break open this bottle. It's like, bro, I got so many quote unquote special occasion wines. And I'm like, bro, I gotta, if I don't just drink them just randomly.

• 1:06:28Ryan Clark?

  Do you ever gift them to like, people that come in town? Like, say you're playing a team and you got a friend that's on the team. Because basketball is different than football, right? Like, we practice all week for three hours.

• 1:06:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:06:39Ryan Clark?

  To where y'all are traveling, you know, y'all might be on the road for a week. But there's so much interconnectivity with, you played FIBA. You know, I mean, you was in, you on the USA team, all those things. You ever have like people on other teams and y'all break bread and drink wine together?

• 1:06:54Speaker 05

  So, so me and TJ, oh, whenever, McConnell, whenever I go to his city and play, or he go to my city, we give each other bottles of wine. And then normally the other guys that I'm cool with will go to dinner. And I try, I actually travel with wine. So I'll have some of my best bottles. So I'll bring some of them. We'll go to dinner, we'll drink it there. I'll have them drink a little bit more than me, obviously, so they can be a little.

• 1:07:18Ryan Clark?

  Take one more sip.

• 1:07:19Speaker 05

  Yeah, exactly. They can be a little, huh, the next day, and then, and then we good.

• 1:07:24Fred Taylor?

  You got 5980 Paddock?

• 1:07:28Speaker 05

  Oh, nah, I don't, I want the 5980. I got the 5712R, and then I got the Black Aquanote. The 5980 rose gold with the blue face, that's my.

• 1:07:38Fred Taylor?

  That's, that's, that's, that's in my target.

• 1:07:41Speaker 05

  Yes, that's my watch I want.

• 1:07:43Fred Taylor?

  I know, we gotta get to this question. Biggest pivot. What's your biggest pivot in life? And that would be, if you can look back on one moment, one defining moment, and say without this happening, it wouldn't be, I wouldn't be Josh Hart.

• 1:07:57Speaker 05

  Probably if I didn't go back to So Well. Because I was, it was thinking of Montreux Christian at the time was.

• 1:08:05Speaker 05

  You know, a top five, top 10, you know, high school basketball, school, whatever you want to call it, you know, in the country, that's kind of where I wanted to go. But I think, I guess, I guess it wouldn't be much of a pivot because I still stayed there. I did a 360 pivot. But I think that was the biggest thing, choosing to stay. I think because at the end of the day, it wasn't just like, okay, you know, I'm gonna stay and, you know, have fun. It was like, okay, I know this is, this path ain't gonna be easy. Like, it's gonna be, you know, I'm gonna have to live with another family. While I live with the other family, on Saturdays, there was a lady named Nikki Bravo, who helped me with academics.

• 1:08:48Speaker 05

  So I would go from my host fam's house Monday to Friday. Saturday, basically all day Saturday, I'm at Nikki Bravo's house. Sunday, I'm with my parents, and then I'm doing it all over again. So it was that, it's a combination of that, knowing that the road wasn't gonna be easy, but I still chose to do it and chose to go through that adversity head on. And then, just in my personal life, like, you know, I probably wouldn't have, my wife, you know, I probably, you know, she went to high school with me. One of my best friends, Phil, went to high school with me. Matt, high school, one of my boy, my boy Sebastian, went to a neighboring high school.

• 1:09:29Speaker 05

  So if you look at everything in my life, it's all really based on high school, and based on what, what happened in high school. And if I made that choice to go to Montrose, my, my path would have been Totally different. Totally different. I wouldn't have, most likely wouldn't have my wife, wouldn't have my, my two little boys, you know, my, my, you know, my brothers, my best friends. So, you know, choosing to stay was probably my, you know.

• 1:09:58Speaker 05

  My, I'll say 360 pivot.

• 1:10:01Ryan Clark?

  It was just fun to watch your team play this year. To figure out how Jalen could give people 50 and just move that slow, with that much pace, get to his spot whenever he wanted to. See you play full games in the playoffs, continue to stack minutes without some of the names that you mentioned. And I think if OG doesn't get hurt when he does, we could have you guys play right now in the conference finals. When you look at the future of the New York Knicks, how excited are you for what you guys can become and accomplish?

• 1:10:34Speaker 05

  Extremely, extremely excited. As y'all know, it's either, you know, for your fan base, it's either you're good or you're selling hope, right? And right now, that's what we are. We have the right foundation, you know, obviously with, starts with Dolan. He loves it. Him to Leon, to West, to Tibbs, they have a passion for it. And then the players. We all cut from that same kind of cloth. So obviously, it's a business, you know, OG's a free agent, iHeart's a free agent, hopefully we bring them back. And, you know, with all teams, there's gonna be changes. But the direction that this franchise is going in

• 1:11:19Speaker 05

  is something to be extremely hopeful for. And we can compete at a high level for, you know, years. But, you know, with that said, there's always changes that's, you know, that's gonna be made. And that's always the tough part.

• 1:11:34Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, so we can't let you off the show, man, without making a pick. So who?

• 1:11:39Speaker 05

  Minnesota.

• 1:11:40Ryan Clark?

  Damn, that was fast.

• 1:11:41Speaker 05

  I got, yeah, I got Minnesota. I mean, this is how they're playing. And I'm not gonna lie, once we lost, I was, I think it was... It was that night, we were at Jalen's house. And we were like, yeah, man, we want Denver to win. The only reason why we want Denver to win? They just won, it's like the- It's not gonna be a new team. It's supposed to happen, yeah. It ain't no new story, it ain't- Boston not winning, Boston fans already crazy as hell. If they win, they gonna be even crazier. Obviously, I got love for all the people. TJ, Tyrese, Obie, James Johnson, Indiana. They beat us, I don't want them to win. But Minnesota, man, I think Minnesota, they just- There's too much there.

• 1:12:25Speaker 05

  There's too much there not to win. Obviously, the talent, offensively, defensively. If they don't win, I'll be very surprised.

• 1:12:35Ryan Clark?

  Who's your pick? Who's gonna take it all?

• 1:12:38Ryan Clark?

  I think Boston still, bro. Them boys can go. Freddie T?

• 1:12:42Fred Taylor?

  My group chat full of Minnesota.

• 1:12:44Ryan Clark?

  I got Minnesota. We should go to a game if Minnesota makes it, or if Boston makes it. Fanatics Sportsbook is sending 40 people, so I think you can get 20 pairs of tickets to go to the finals. I would love to do that. I mean, you can plug us, Freddie T and Chan, you know, because you're a part of it. All they gotta do, though, get the Sportsbook app, download, and you know, they'll have an opportunity to experience that. Fanatics Sportsbook app? Yeah, Boston's about to give me some bread. Speaking of New York, you are gonna be at the Fanatics Fan Fest. Can we see your pod there?

• 1:13:19Speaker 05

  I'm about to say, I guess so. Apparently, I guess you're going to be, so I'm gonna have to put that in my- August was pretty open for me, but I guess now, during those times, I will be at the Fanatics Fan Fest.

• 1:13:32Ryan Clark?

  It's August 16th through the 18th in New York, at the Javits Center. I mean, AI, Tom Brady, Derek Jeter. Oh, by the way, The Pivot.

• 1:13:40Fred Taylor?

  The Pivot, The Mannings, Sabrina Ionescu.

• 1:13:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:13:45Channing Crowder?

  And what you got Chan? All you gotta go is to phoneticsfest.com. Get your tickets, we gonna be there. We are all three days, 16 through the 18 of August. Man, we have us a good time.

• 1:13:55Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I'm excited about it. Like truly, bro, I appreciate you. I mean, we've been texting about trying to get this done. I got nervous when I saw you go down. You know, playing a lot of minutes, just checked in on you. But what you've been able to accomplish here, but also through the journey. I mean, starting at Sidwell to get to this point, bro, it is amazing. Just look forward to seeing whatever else you have in store in your career. But man, life, you know, you're an interesting dude to go from Eagle Scout to one of the toughest cats in the NBA, man. That's a, that's a very impressive deal.

• 1:14:25Channing Crowder?

  Appreciate it.

• 1:14:25Ryan Clark?

  Appreciate you.

• 1:14:26Channing Crowder?

  Thanks for having me. Man, let go drink all these expensive ass bottles of wine.

• 1:14:33Ryan Clark?

  My boy, appreciate you, man. Hey, you know what's so crazy though?

• 1:14:36Channing Crowder?

  Appreciate you, brother.

• 1:14:36Ryan Clark?

  Like when you see Josh, he was guarding, who he was guarding? I think he was guarding Siakam. I was like, man, Josh, Lil. And then you meet him in person and he's that tight.

• 1:14:44Channing Crowder?

  Phonetics, man, we got a special giveaway.

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