The 26 Most Anticipated Movies of 2026

Sean and Amanda kick off the New Year by counting down their 26 most anticipated movies of 2026. But before diving in, they do a major run-through of all the things they missed over the holiday break, including a recap of their time off (0:38), box office totals (12:05), and awards (20:36). Then, they dive into their list (46:39). Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:26Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about the most anticipated movies of the year. It's been two full weeks since we recorded an episode of this podcast. We are ready for a new year of movies. Consider this your mega preview. Amanda and I will each share 13, really more like 313 new movies that are coming out. Whose fault is that? Well, there's a lot of stuff coming, which I'm excited about. But since it's been two weeks. Yeah. What did, what did we miss? How was your break?

• 1:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, it, it was long, which, you know, I, I feel lucky to be able to spend that much time with my children and also never understood the parents being so psyched that school is back feeling more than in this moment, you know, which is, it, it, it happens to all of us. I hope your school is back. LAUSD, not back.

• 2:17Sean Fennessey?

  Not back till next week.

• 2:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I feel for you guys.

• 2:19Sean Fennessey?

  That's a tricky one.

• 2:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Thank you to my preschool. Um, yeah. How was yours?

• 2:24Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, fine. I saw you a lot, so it's not really, let's not perform the, the mystery of what could have transpired over those two weeks. Uh, no, it was, it was good. I, we, we're in a new era, I think, with my child where it's not as painful to be managing. I also don't have a one-year-old. So, um, you know, it was fun. It was, it was exhausting in a way. You know, we don't have any family out here, but, um, and we didn't go to the movies very much, which was interesting. We watched a lot of movies, but this has been a very long stretch for me to not be in a movie theater. I'm usually there two, three times a week. So that was kind of fascinating. We did have a pretty steady schedule, though, of watching stuff at home.

• 2:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I wanted to play a game with you.

• 3:00Sean Fennessey?

  Let's play.

• 3:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Which is, so your, your winter break or winter school break in three movies. Number one, the movie you watched the most.

• 3:09Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 3:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Number two, the movie you discussed the most.

• 3:14Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 3:14Amanda Dobbins?

  And number three, what movie best describes your experience?

• 3:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Number one, you were already like, I don't have an answer for that. I don't want to play.

• 3:22Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I don't, it's not that I don't have an answer because we have a nice thing going where my daughter's not asking to re-watch movies over and over again at the moment. She's been very willing to try new movies. So for example, over the last two days, we watched The Empire Strikes Back.

• 3:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 3:40Sean Fennessey?

  Because we're doing Star Wars now every Saturday over the course of the next 10 weeks. We're doing every Star Wars film, which is really exciting. Starting with The New Hope three weeks ago, and then we just did Empire Strikes Back, and then next week we'll do Return of the Jedi. Following, we'll do Phantom Menace.

• 3:53Amanda Dobbins?

  At the Academy Museum.

• 3:54Sean Fennessey?

  At the Academy Museum.

• 3:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, not just, I mean, you know.

• 3:56Sean Fennessey?

  At the Academy Museum. And then yesterday we watched Honey, I Shrunk the Kids.

• 4:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, interesting.

• 4:02Sean Fennessey?

  Which was pretty interesting. I would say went over fairly well.

• 4:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 4:05Sean Fennessey?

  And we're trying to navigate live action in an interesting way. So those were two really good first time experiences. Honey, I Blew Up the Kids is really more like what my vacation has been like.

• 4:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 4:16Sean Fennessey?

  You know, there's definitely some like, a little, but I would say my, my daughter is very, is online right now. Like she is a person.

• 4:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 4:25Sean Fennessey?

  And full sentences.

• 4:27Amanda Dobbins?

  She's not blogging.

• 4:27Sean Fennessey?

  No, she's not on the internet.

• 4:29Amanda Dobbins?

  You're like, she's a poster.

• 4:30Sean Fennessey?

  No, she's booted up like the way that Meghan has booted up, you know, from the Meghan films. And she is, you know, she could murder you if she wanted to. Like she has a lot of, um, agency.

• 4:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 4:41Sean Fennessey?

  I would say, which is helpful in many ways.

• 4:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:44Sean Fennessey?

  Does have some downsides. And so we haven't seen Honey, I Blew Up the Kids yet, but there is like, she's in control of a lot.

• 4:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 4:52Sean Fennessey?

  At the moment and, and is very strong. What was the third question?

• 4:56Amanda Dobbins?

  The movie that you discussed the most or like texted about or heard from people about?

• 5:01Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, like in the world at large?

• 5:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, or, you know, at Christmas.

• 5:05Sean Fennessey?

  Easily Marty Supreme.

• 5:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 5:06Sean Fennessey?

  E- easily.

• 5:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 5:07Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, for better and for worse, I think, because is that, has, is that the same for you?

• 5:12Amanda Dobbins?

  That's also my answer. I like, you know, just confronted by a lot of people being like, well, I've seen your little Instagram reel and now I need to tell you my full experience.

• 5:20Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, which is, I think, a good thing.

• 5:21Amanda Dobbins?

  That's great. Yeah, that's good. And then, I mean, I, I did mostly stay offline, but I was confronted. Uh, some of the takes got through to me and I just, I think we all need to heal.

• 5:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I, everyone's really worked up about it. I, that's always a good sign, right? This has happened a couple, it happened a couple of times in 2025. It happened when Sinners came out. It happened when One Battle Left or Another came out. When movies become flashpoints and especially movies like this that kind of capture the cinephile crowd.

• 5:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 5:50Sean Fennessey?

  But then also regular moviegoers are like, hmm, Timothy Chalamet, I have to get interested in this. And then so you get these collisions of taste. And yeah, I got some feedback that.

• 5:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 5:58Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe we were too enthusiastic or not enthusiastic enough or, you know, I, I think we have to probably keep talking about that movie.

• 6:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, we'll get into that. I hope so. I really liked it. I did have a lot of personal interactions with people just being like, yes, hello, and now I would like to dialogue for 30 minutes about this, which I really enjoyed. Then, you know, all of the, is he a good person, bad person stuff? I just like, go have fun. I'm like, I'm begging you, children of the world, you are young, go have fun. And don't make all of the decisions he makes. I'm not endorsing them, but like, let go. And then there was some stuff about the dog, which like, I just can't get into, you know?

• 6:40Sean Fennessey?

  What was, what was the stuff?

• 6:41Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I think that there are a lot of people who are really upset with how the, the, the treatment of the dog in the film.

• 6:47Sean Fennessey?

  And it wasn't, they didn't treat him well.

• 6:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Agreed.

• 6:50Sean Fennessey?

  No one treated him well, I would say.

• 6:52Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't really think anybody was treated well in this film. So I, like, I'm with you.

• 6:57Sean Fennessey?

  I would agree. I would agree.

• 6:59Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, the, the people really responding to the dog stuff more than the ending was an interesting dichotomy.

• 7:07Sean Fennessey?

  I want to talk about the Marty Supreme breaking contain from the A24 world a little bit more with you. But do you, what are the two answers to the first two questions for you?

• 7:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, sure. Um, the, the film I watched the most was Star Wars: A New Hope. Because after telling you about my experience with the Mandalorian and Grogu trailer, you gave my child a small Grogu for Christmas. Along with a little, it's, I guess that's a bed. Is that what he sleeps in?

• 7:34Sean Fennessey?

  It's really more like his hovercraft, but that very quickly got kind of destroyed by the children in the house.

• 7:39Amanda Dobbins?

  So it's back. It's together and it's now understood to be his boat.

• 7:44Sean Fennessey?

  It is, it is sort of his boat. You know, he kind of floats through the world alongside the Mandalorian.

• 7:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 7:50Sean Fennessey?

  So it is sort of, it's his hoverboat.

• 7:52Amanda Dobbins?

  So that's Grogo is what he's, Grogo is what he's called in our house.

• 7:57Sean Fennessey?

  I love it.

• 7:57Amanda Dobbins?

  And the boat.

• 7:59Sean Fennessey?

  Cause he's on the go. Is that the idea?

• 8:01Amanda Dobbins?

  We're gonna get through like some pronunciation quirks in the Star Wars universe. And

• 8:08Sean Fennessey?

  It's Rancor, not Rankor.

• 8:10Amanda Dobbins?

  So we keep watching Star Wars: A New Hope.

• 8:15Amanda Dobbins?

  On the second viewing, I was asked, or I was told, Mama, do not film the credits or me. Because I was making content the first time he watched Star Wars.

• 8:25Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, the scroll.

• 8:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. He was like, Mama, don't do that.

• 8:28Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 8:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Then.

• 8:30Sean Fennessey?

  Well, this Star Wars, it changes a person.

• 8:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Then, um, he kept asking where Grogo was. I asked him to explain to me what happens in Star Wars and he says Dark, D A R K, Vader, has a meeting. He's describing the scene in which he strangles someone. And.

• 8:47Sean Fennessey?

  It is a meeting of sorts.

• 8:48Amanda Dobbins?

  And all the aliens play music, which is the.

• 8:51Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely true.

• 8:52Amanda Dobbins?

  The cantina has made an impression on him and everybody else.

• 8:55Sean Fennessey?

  So far, so good.

• 8:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, seems more interested in stormtroopers than real people, which is worrying.

• 9:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 9:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Really not into Han, like at all, which I was very confused by.

• 9:09Sean Fennessey?

  It's red flag.

• 9:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I agree. Chewbacca, he's, you know, but I think like he shows up and again, Han's introduction is in the cantina. And so you have to understand the affinity that my son has for the racist aliens playing music because they're playing music.

• 9:26Sean Fennessey?

  Did you explain to him what the Kessel Run was? Because he likes it when things go fast.

• 9:31Amanda Dobbins?

  He, to, in support of Tracy Lutz, it was like four viewings before he actually made it through the end of the movie. He like noticeably left every single time. And yesterday morning, we made it all the way through and I heard my husband be like, hey, Luke just blew up the, like the Death Star. Did you see that? And it's just like silence from Knox.

• 9:49Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting.

• 9:50Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, but he's very interested in, he was like, where's Jabba? So.

• 9:54Sean Fennessey?

  I've got a, I'm going to develop a Lego plan.

• 9:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 9:56Sean Fennessey?

  To get him interested in a series of different characters.

• 9:58Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, but we can't, Si's gonna eat all the Legos. So it's like.

• 10:01Sean Fennessey?

  Duplos. We'll start with Duplos.

• 10:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Do they make Star Wars Duplos?

• 10:03Sean Fennessey?

  I'm certain that they do.

• 10:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Anyway, uh, I'm in hell, but we've watched that a lot. And then.

• 10:08Sean Fennessey?

  Star Wars is the best, the best. The fir-, the first three films is magic.

• 10:14Amanda Dobbins?

  He definitely is locked into it. And now we're trying to figure out, like, is Empire too dark for him?

• 10:19Sean Fennessey?

  Thought it went over well. There were, there were a couple of really scary parts. We can talk about it more as, as we go through this Star Wars journey. This is a good thing for us to be checking in on.

• 10:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. What do we do next?

• 10:26Sean Fennessey?

  Um, there's two really scary things in, in Empire and two really scary things in Jedi. And do you need to cover your children's eyes? That's a whole other episode of the show, but, okay. So you watched Star Wars the most and then what was the second one?

• 10:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, the best describes my, uh, was definitely If I Had Legs, I'd Kick You. Um, everyone's fine and, and that's, and also no shots at my husband, who's very present and supportive. It was more that I did find myself once in a, in a parking lot, screaming at the CVS robot on the phone, just being like, let me talk to a pharmacist, just screaming representative, like psychotically, like full break over and over again, just because I needed to find out the pharmacy hours on New Year's Eve so I could get my child antibiotics. And there was no way I couldn't get through. But it was me in a parking lot, having something of a break with AI.

• 11:24Sean Fennessey?

  Well, this is why we make films, right? Art can represent our experiences. We can see the world through the eyes of others and it makes us feel more sane.

• 11:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 11:32Sean Fennessey?

  So, thank you to Mary Bronstein for seeing Amanda this year.

• 11:36Amanda Dobbins?

  What was yours?

• 11:38Sean Fennessey?

  The movie that most explains, Mike.

• 11:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Describes.

• 11:46Sean Fennessey?

  Really have a clever answer to this question. I, I,

• 11:52Sean Fennessey?

  I think I was thinking a lot about, uh, how nice it was to not be watching movies for assignment.

• 11:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 11:59Sean Fennessey?

  So, um, you know, maybe the big Lebowski was just kind of floating through life, not really worried about earning a paycheck, not really worried about doing anything other than hanging with loved ones.

• 12:13Amanda Dobbins?

  And now welcome back to hell.

• 12:14Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Well, yeah, last night I fired up a film, the film I really like that we're going to talk about later this month on the show, but I did feel like I was, I was back at work. And it was a great break and I'm, but I'm, and I'm really excited about a lot of what we're going to be talking about today because I do think that there's some reasons to be hopeful about movies. There's some reasons to be a little bit skeptical, obviously, as there are every year, but I'd like to celebrate as much as we can this year.

• 12:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm excited.

• 12:38Sean Fennessey?

  Original intention of this show was to celebrate, we now are in a place where really because of me, like we cover pretty much everything that comes out in America. But I'm hopeful that we will have more good weeks than bad weeks in terms of new releases.

• 12:51Amanda Dobbins?

  A lot of exciting things on this. We also have things.

• 12:55Amanda Dobbins?

  That we had to divvy up, you know, where you and you have some things on your list that I was like, oh, I really wanted that, which is exciting, at least in that there's some shared taste.

• 13:05Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 13:05Amanda Dobbins?

  And some, you know, we've, we've identified the, the big picture points of 2026.

• 13:09Sean Fennessey?

  Much like last year, there were a number, there are a number of films from filmmakers who we really care about, who have new movies coming out. So we can talk about that. But before we do that, like, let's talk about what transpired over the holidays in terms of box office, because it's, it's fairly interesting. It was a very successful two week stretch.

• 13:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 13:26Sean Fennessey?

  Of movies released into the world. We talked about virtually every one of the major releases. We talked about Marty Supreme, Anaconda, Song Song Blue. You know, Avatar Fire and Ash is probably the best place to start, because the total box office this year was up 1% over 2024, which is not amazing, although if you factor in Michael, the Michael Jackson biopic getting bumped, and you factor in Mortal Kombat getting bumped at the last minute to next year.

• 13:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 13:53Sean Fennessey?

  It actually was a pretty decent year at the box office, all things considered. I think next year, this year, I should say, is going to be huge, in part because Avatar Fire and Ash will still be playing. And the movie's over $1 billion in 18 days.

• 14:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 14:08Sean Fennessey?

  It's made $770 million internationally in 18 days. We don't, we don't doubt Big Jim.

• 14:17Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 14:17Sean Fennessey?

  There's, there's not, there's really never been a reason to. I mean, the movie is probably on pace for close to what I predicted. I think I predicted 1.7, maybe 1.6 on the episode. Do you remember what I said?

• 14:28Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I don't.

• 14:29Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Maybe I didn't even make a proper prediction, but in my head, I was thinking 1.7.

• 14:33Amanda Dobbins?

  We both guessed under $2 billion.

• 14:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 14:34Amanda Dobbins?

  And then whether it's, you know.

• 14:36Sean Fennessey?

  So.

• 14:37Amanda Dobbins?

  None of that money will be coming to me.

• 14:38Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 14:38Amanda Dobbins?

  So I, I didn't worry about the 0.6 versus 0.7.

• 14:41Sean Fennessey?

  It will be going to Disney, which we'll talk about, too. So if the movie gets to 1.7, then that means that four of the 10 highest grossing movies of all time domestically are, or, or, excuse me, internationally, worldwide, are James Cameron movies.

• 14:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 14:53Sean Fennessey?

  Titanic and three Avatar films.

• 14:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Good job, Big Jim.

• 14:56Sean Fennessey?

  That's pretty crazy.

• 14:58Amanda Dobbins?

  It is.

• 14:58Sean Fennessey?

  To be so tapped into the mainframe of narrative interest worldwide.

• 15:03Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I, I think so, at, at least for the first two. It's, there is a little bit with this one of. It feels like he built the structure of Avatar needing to dominate the box office and also everyone clearing out for it. And so like, not quite like a self fulfilling prophecy.

• 15:22Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 15:23Amanda Dobbins?

  But, and again, he built that structure.

• 15:25Sean Fennessey?

  Well.

• 15:26Amanda Dobbins?

  So, and reheated it after 10 years with the second one.

• 15:29Sean Fennessey?

  It's a chicken or the egg question because obviously as soon as this movie got dated, everyone ran away from it.

• 15:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly.

• 15:34Sean Fennessey?

  Like, there's not really a major studio release that would be competing with the movie until The Bone Temple, the 28 years later sequel, which comes out January 16th. So you're talking about a month where like, you know, not to discriminate too heavily, but young male audiences, there's not a ton of movies for them. And so this movie is going to continue to play worldwide pretty strongly for a long time. And then even after The Bone Temple, it's like Wuthering Heights and Scream 7 in February. It's gonna be a complicated couple of months.

• 16:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I mean, Avatar got way ahead of movies as events slash amusement park experiences, where it's like a thing that you do three or four times a year and you have to do it in theater and everybody knows that. And, you know, I guess in many ways is like paving a road for other people. I don't know if it's a road any of us want to be on, but.

• 16:24Sean Fennessey?

  If you're not James Cameron, it's just really hard to do, you know? Like, there's just a certain level of craft. And like, we saw, like, Michael Mann, for example, cited this movie as his favorite movie of the year. I think it was Variety that published a bunch of filmmakers that talked about their favorite movies of the year. Some hilarious choices, some interesting choices. Mann loves the Avatar movies. He named Avatar one of his favorite movies of all time. And filmmakers really like this movie because they don't really, it's something new. It's like something that they've not done before. They admire someone like going to a new realm of creativity. So there's still like a lot of admiration for it. This one did feel a little iterative, as we talked about in our episode about it. It did feel a little samey from two. So I don't, I don't hold it personally as, in his high esteem.

• 17:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Same, though I spoke to people over the break who liked this more than the second one.

• 17:08Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, really?

• 17:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know.

• 17:10Sean Fennessey?

  That's odd.

• 17:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought so as well, but everyone gets to have their opinion.

• 17:14Sean Fennessey?

  It is more of a mega action movie. There is a tremendous amount of action because of.

• 17:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 17:19Sean Fennessey?

  The Fire People. Also, you know, if you're horny for Verang, that's a thing. People are getting, right, Jack? Yeah, he's in on that. Thank you. Um, Disney did dominate this year, so. After six weekends, at 1.6 billion, Zootopia 2 is now the number three animated release of all time.

• 17:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 17:35Sean Fennessey?

  It passed Frozen 2, which if you had asked me two weeks ago, what is the movie that we watched the most in my house?

• 17:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Frozen 2.

• 17:42Sean Fennessey?

  It would be Frozen 2.

• 17:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I did discuss it a lot with Alice over the break.

• 17:45Sean Fennessey?

  Frozen 2 is the talisman.

• 17:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 17:46Sean Fennessey?

  That is the movie that describes her being.

• 17:48Amanda Dobbins?

  I asked Alice what she liked about Frozen 2 instead of Frozen, and she said there are a lot of lyrics.

• 17:53Sean Fennessey?

  There are a great number of lyrics that I hear frequently sung in my, in my living space. Inside Out 2 is the number two animated film of all time, and Nezha 2.

• 18:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 18:03Sean Fennessey?

  Is the number one. And also came out this year, primarily made its money overseas. I started to watch it on HBO Max over the break, turned it off, thought it was boring.

• 18:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 18:11Sean Fennessey?

  Didn't see Nezha.

• 18:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 18:12Sean Fennessey?

  Kind of missing some of the references, you know? Lilo and Stitch, Zootopia 2, Fire and Ash, three Marvel movies.

• 18:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 18:21Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty big year for Disney.

• 18:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Great, yeah.

• 18:22Sean Fennessey?

  You're happy for Disney?

• 18:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Creativity alive.

• 18:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm inspired, you know, a remake of an animated movie that takes away Women's Agency and then another movie about a patent. So, that's great. I love what we're giving to our children.

• 18:38Sean Fennessey?

  Enjoyed Zootopia 2.

• 18:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 18:39Sean Fennessey?

  Marty Supreme, we mentioned this earlier, $56 million in nine days domestically, plus international distribution, which the movie's not out yet internationally for the most part, it's already pre-sold. This movie's gonna make over 80 million, maybe over 100. I think Jack was like, what if it's 37?

• 18:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 18:57Sean Fennessey?

  And I was like, oh, well, that would just be a disaster.

• 18:59Amanda Dobbins?

  That was the low end of the tracking. It was bad.

• 19:01Sean Fennessey?

  We burst past that in one and a half weekends. Number three all time for 824 already, behind Everything Everywhere All at Once and Civil War.

• 19:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 19:10Sean Fennessey?

  Chalamet sold the fuck out of this movie.

• 19:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure did.

• 19:12Sean Fennessey?

  It's, you know, I don't know if it's gonna be one of the greatest hits of all time, it was a fairly expensive movie, but this is pretty good for some, for a two and a half hour period piece.

• 19:21Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm feeling it.

• 19:21Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, pretty exciting. Housemaid is even bigger than Marty.

• 19:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 19:26Sean Fennessey?

  Housemaid, which we think is not very good.

• 19:28Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 19:29Sean Fennessey?

  Has made $92 million worldwide in three weekends. Sydney Sweeney, off the schneid, she's back.

• 19:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Congratulations to her.

• 19:36Sean Fennessey?

  One of our greatest stars.

• 19:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 19:38Sean Fennessey?

  What do you think this tells us, the success of this movie?

• 19:41Amanda Dobbins?

  That...

• 19:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Women like trash too.

• 19:45Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 19:46Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, and women like their version trash. As I said, I didn't have-

• 19:48Sean Fennessey?

  This is your Captain America Brave New World.

• 19:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't have a terrible time.

• 19:52Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 19:52Amanda Dobbins?

  At this film. Obviously, we had some notes.

• 19:54Sean Fennessey?

  Someone cited this online, and so I can't remember who it is, so forgive me for not giving this person credit. But I, I do hope that Hollywood realizes that we did used to do this all the time.

• 20:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 20:06Sean Fennessey?

  Which is just like, there's a, there's a popular book that people read on beaches. And just adapt it and make it a movie with, with hot young people. And we'll go see it. Like, this was the blueprint for 25 years. And I, there's no reason why we can't go back to this. Like, the Colleen Hoover phenomenon is that.

• 20:22Amanda Dobbins?

  They are, they are doing it. We're gonna talk a little bit about the Emily Henry phenomenon, which is starting this week. I wish, in general, that like the movies were, the books they were pulling from were like slightly better. Though, listen, I reread The Pelican Brief a few years ago, and it's-

• 20:38Sean Fennessey?

  Not great.

• 20:38Amanda Dobbins?

  It's not Anna Karenina.

• 20:40Sean Fennessey?

  No, but Paige Turner's, you know-

• 20:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 20:43Sean Fennessey?

  They're plot machines. That's the whole point, right? Like, and this is meant to be a-

• 20:47Amanda Dobbins?

  And then, and, and still, it was also Alan Pacula who directed that. Like, it's not, not his best work.

• 20:53Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 20:54Amanda Dobbins?

  But still, it's, so we, we could aim a little bit higher, but it's good that we're trying.

• 20:59Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's a good start, and I think it's a, a good thing to keep banging the drum about.

• 21:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:02Sean Fennessey?

  Because this kind of defeats what you were citing about Avatar, which is, The Housemaid is not a one, like, one of my three movies of the year kind of a movie.

• 21:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Very true.

• 21:11Sean Fennessey?

  It's a movie that people have thought of for the last five or so years as a streaming movie. And it can be a lot of fun to go see a movie like this in a movie theater. I, I didn't have as much fun as you did, but if done well enough, it's a nice night out.

• 21:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. Though also, if we had been able to work our schedules to have that be the holiday party, we would have had a great time.

• 21:29Sean Fennessey?

  Might have been a kinder review.

• 21:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:31Sean Fennessey?

  If I'd had a couple of margaritas.

• 21:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 21:32Sean Fennessey?

  You know?

• 21:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I still am so mad we didn't see Regretting You together.

• 21:37Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, we'll have reminders of him soon.

• 21:40Amanda Dobbins?

  No, that's not the one. I mean, that is soon, but there's another one.

• 21:44Sean Fennessey?

  My beloved Micah Monroe.

• 21:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I just absolutely can't wait for it.

• 21:47Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Let's do some quick awards season check-ins.

• 21:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 21:50Sean Fennessey?

  Because we had two notable, I guess, awards handed out. One was the National Society of Film Critics.

• 21:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 21:56Sean Fennessey?

  Gave their awards on Saturday, and then on Sunday, we had the Critics' Choice Awards. I did not watch the telecast for Critics' Choice, but we can talk about some of the results. I saw some of the speeches online. National Society of Film Critics, one battle after another, won Best Picture.

• 22:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 22:09Sean Fennessey?

  This is notable, I guess, because it makes one battle one of only three, one of only four other, three other films that lock down the sort of four major critics, national groups, the New York Film Critics Circle, LA Film Critics, the National Board of Review, which is not really a critical body, but is thought to have some critics in it. And then National Society of Film Critics, they all gave one battle after another.

• 22:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 22:34Sean Fennessey?

  Best film. The three other times that's happened, Schindler's List, LA Confidential, and as we discussed in our Social Network episode, The Social Network.

• 22:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 22:44Sean Fennessey?

  So that's rare air. However.

• 22:47Amanda Dobbins?

  It's not necessarily predictive of a Best Picture win. In fact, right now, it's one of three.

• 22:54Sean Fennessey?

  Correct.

• 22:54Amanda Dobbins?

  One battle could tip it to 50%.

• 22:56Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 22:56Amanda Dobbins?

  But, yeah.

• 22:58Sean Fennessey?

  And these are Critics Awards for the most part, so that they don't really tell us anything about how the Academy, what the Academy's thinking. And I want to kind of use that as a lens to look through these most recent items, because we feel like we know every, I feel like I know everything about what's going to happen.

• 23:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I'm aware.

• 23:16Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think we know, yeah, that is my, that is my essence. But I don't, I don't think we know anything.

• 23:23Amanda Dobbins?

  You don't?

• 23:23Sean Fennessey?

  I think that there's an opportunity in the next few weeks.

• 23:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 23:27Sean Fennessey?

  As we start to get a few more awards bodies weighing in that are from within the industries that are going to tip some things in a specific direction.

• 23:35Amanda Dobbins?

  So by that, you mean DJAs, PGAs?

• 23:37Sean Fennessey?

  SAG.

• 23:38Amanda Dobbins?

  SAG, and you know, the Golden Globes are next week, which are...

• 23:44Amanda Dobbins?

  As we have said over and over again, made up and then also recently just kind of coattailing what all of like the critics and conventional wisdom is.

• 23:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 23:54Amanda Dobbins?

  But because of the categories split, you're going to get an opportunity for a few people to get a moment who might not, which I do think at least puts films or performances in front of people and voters in a way.

• 24:09Sean Fennessey?

  Agreed.

• 24:09Amanda Dobbins?

  So like, I agree with you that we don't really know anything. Chris Ryan yesterday was asking me, like, when does award season really, really start for you? And I said, like, I guess you could say this weekend because there was the Palm Springs International Gala Film Festival Extravaganza, to which everyone but Leonardo DiCaprio made it. You know, sometimes you just can't get air clearance from, from the yacht. And then the Critics' Choice Awards, which kind of aren't usually a thing that we pay this much attention to, but because of the way the holidays fell this year and the fact that the Golden Globes went on, are going a week later.

• 24:48Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:49Amanda Dobbins?

  They, they took advantage of the vacuum. It also felt like that this Palm Springs Gala is not usually the same level of attention. I don't see as many red carpet pictures, but everyone-

• 24:59Sean Fennessey?

  It's very star-studded this year.

• 25:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 25:01Sean Fennessey?

  I think it coming on the heels of the Critics' Choice means a lot of people were kind of pinging back and forth.

• 25:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, exactly. But, but I think both events saw, okay, we've got this weekend that is after New Year's. People are going to start coming to Los Angeles for the Golden Globes.

• 25:13Sean Fennessey?

  And the Globes are not on that weekend, yes.

• 25:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly. So you could say in terms of like campaigning, it started this weekend. But I said to Chris, I think Golden Globes is when it really starts.

• 25:22Sean Fennessey?

  I think you're right, and I think they have some impact insofar as that your kind of common voter will look at who the winners are and say like, okay, these are the frontrunners. And we can talk about that in, in the aftermath of it. And the split categories allows-

• 25:35Sean Fennessey?

  What already feels like a wheat and chaff year, where it's like three or four films are really competing at the top of the race and then everything else is just feels a little happy to be there. We'll go through the rest of the Society of Film Critics Awards. So One Battle won, PTA won for director.

• 25:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 25:51Amanda Dobbins?

  The National Society of Film Critics does provide vote breakdowns.

• 25:53Sean Fennessey?

  They do, which is wonderful.

• 25:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, which is wonderful and I think are interesting. So one battle after another, one in a landslide. It has 57 points and the runners up were Sinners with 29 and The Secret Agent with 27, which I think is telling what the runners up are, but also that there is a real chasm. Not a real chasm, but like there is distance between. You don't see that distance in almost any other category. PTA won with 54 points. The runners up were Jafar Panahi with 48 points and Richard Linklater for both Blue Moon and New Valvag, 39 points. But so I think Jafar Panahi being that close is telling.

• 26:33Sean Fennessey?

  I agree. I think he's also a very strong contender for best actor.

• 26:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. So Kathleen Chalfant from Familiar Touch, like a very classic film critic thing. That's great. And that's cool. And that's what critics' bodies should do. 45 points. And then Rose Byrne from If I Had Legs I'd Kick You, 39 points. And Renata Renzvi, Sentimental Value, 37 points. So it's like, everything's very close, tight.

• 26:56Sean Fennessey?

  But Jessie Buckley not being there is like, that's a critical move because there's an inevitability about that one. That's one of the very few races where I feel very strongly that it is over.

• 27:08Amanda Dobbins?

  It's done.

• 27:09Sean Fennessey?

  Maybe the only race that I feel like is locked.

• 27:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm. I don't know. I don't know.

• 27:16Sean Fennessey?

  And Golden, Winning Best Song. Like, those are the two that I'm like, these are happening. And everything else, I mean, I could be wrong. You'd never know.

• 27:24Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I think, I think you're right.

• 27:25Sean Fennessey?

  I think that this vote is in part a reflection of the inevitability. And also Hamnett has been a little bit more divisive critically, you know?

• 27:33Amanda Dobbins?

  That's true.

• 27:34Sean Fennessey?

  I think it's going to do very well in the awards race, but there are some critics who really have not gone for it.

• 27:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:39Sean Fennessey?

  Best Supporting Actress, Teyana Taylor, won with 56 points, a very close race.

• 27:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:44Sean Fennessey?

  With Inga Ibsdottir-Lilias from Sentimental Value. You said 47 points. That's, that's tight.

• 27:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And then Wumima Saku is also a runner up, 41 points.

• 27:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I'm curious to see if she gets nominated. That's also going to be a tough spot for her to get in. So it feels like there's some kind of boosting going on there. Best Actor.

• 28:04Sean Fennessey?

  Blue Moon, Ethan Hawke.

• 28:08Sean Fennessey?

  Very interesting.

• 28:09Amanda Dobbins?

  What, what, I mean.

• 28:10Sean Fennessey?

  Well, in the best actor and best actress categories.

• 28:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 28:13Sean Fennessey?

  You know, none of the frontrunners are present.

• 28:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's not true because Wagner Mora is the runner up with 43 points. And I think you really just, we'll talk about it again on Sunday after the Golden Globes.

• 28:25Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 28:26Amanda Dobbins?

  But I, you know, you, I mean, you were the first one to say, you've really got to watch this space.

• 28:31Sean Fennessey?

  Well.

• 28:31Amanda Dobbins?

  And you gotta keep watching this space.

• 28:33Sean Fennessey?

  One of my take, one of my takeaways from this whole weekend has been that The Secret Agent is very strong.

• 28:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 28:38Sean Fennessey?

  And so, but we're still just in the critics groups and that's a critics movie, written and directed by a former critic.

• 28:43Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I like, I think it's true. But also, we're, the critics, this is an American critics bodies. Critics' Choice Awards is very American and like, really not internationally inclined, even in its nominees.

• 28:57Sean Fennessey?

  True.

• 28:57Amanda Dobbins?

  So.

• 28:58Sean Fennessey?

  Brazil, very strong in the academy.

• 28:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly. Yes, we know. Come to Brazil.

• 29:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I, you know what? I would be very happy with a Wagner Mora win. I think he's tremendous in that movie. So I, I'm just a little, I, I know these, we know these moves.

• 29:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 29:09Sean Fennessey?

  We know these moves as list makers, as editorial people.

• 29:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Of course.

• 29:12Sean Fennessey?

  Um, for Timothy Chalamet and Leonardo DiCaprio to not be cited. Uh, best supporting actor, Benicio del Toro.

• 29:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. You feel less certain about this than you do about Jessie Buckley?

• 29:22Sean Fennessey?

  I do. This category is a little confusing to me.

• 29:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 29:24Sean Fennessey?

  I worry that Benicio and Sean Penn will, I don't worry. I, I think Benicio and Sean Penn could cancel each other out. It's possible.

• 29:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I just, just clip my clip right now, you know? I know you've already clipped it, but just like, put it, get it ready for, and that's fine.

• 29:36Sean Fennessey?

  When that happens?

• 29:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 29:37Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 29:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I feel confident.

• 29:39Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, that it's gonna happen?

• 29:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 29:40Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, okay. It, it's possible. Obviously, he's wonderful in the movie. Um, Del Rey Lindo at number two with 37 points, Stellan Skarsgård for sentimental value at 30 points. Screenplay also went to Panahi. Um, Robert Kaplow's, uh, Blue Moon script and, uh, Cleber Mendoza-Filio's Secret Agent script is there.

• 29:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 30:00Sean Fennessey?

  Best film in the English language, not in the English language, is The Secret Agent.

• 30:03Amanda Dobbins?

  By one point, it was just an accident. So, and it does sort of feel like, all right, we'll do screenplay, we'll do. You know, not in the English language.

• 30:13Sean Fennessey?

  Passing them around.

• 30:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 30:14Sean Fennessey?

  They're passing them around. Best nonfiction film, My Undesirable Friends, Part One, Last Air in Moscow. You know, look for this one as the winner in this category. This is a very, very good film. It's just a question of will people sit through it?

• 30:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 30:26Sean Fennessey?

  Will they sit through the five hours of the film? And if they will, I think it's a kind of a hard movie to turn away from in a lot of ways. Best cinematography went to Autumn D'Arald-Akpa for Sinners. Very deserving win. We saw Adolfo Veloso for Train Dreams come in second here. He won the Critics' Choice Awards. It's kind of an interesting battle. I don't know.

• 30:44Amanda Dobbins?

  If that's gonna translate.

• 30:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, there's a little bit of trickiness with Michael Baumann for, um, One Battle After Another, because there's this belief that sort of Michael Baumann and Paul Thomas Anderson, and also their chief cameraman, who Ben Affleck talked about, Marty Suprem, with Colin Anderson. That they make like this triumvirate of cinematographers together on the film. And I wonder if somehow Michael Baumann will get dinged for that in some of the voting. But so you could see really a chance for Sinners or Train Dreams to get some love there. Critics' Choice Awards. Go through this a little more quickly.

• 31:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 31:16Sean Fennessey?

  One battle, one Best Picture.

• 31:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 31:19Sean Fennessey?

  It's pretty much won every Best Picture race of note thus far.

• 31:25Sean Fennessey?

  Best Actor, Timothy Chalamet. Did you see the speech?

• 31:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I sure did. First of all, he also missed the credit sequence of Sinners. Thank you so much, Timothy Chalamet. I feel seen.

• 31:33Sean Fennessey?

  Huge for you. He did go back a second time, did you?

• 31:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, not yet. But I really need to. I, it was nice. He seemed nervous, which was confusing.

• 31:42Sean Fennessey?

  He did seem nervous.

• 31:43Amanda Dobbins?

  He said he was nervous.

• 31:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, that was odd.

• 31:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that was very sweet.

• 31:47Sean Fennessey?

  It's like he's moved out of the Marty mode now? He's no longer campaigning as Marty?

• 31:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, I don't know whether someone, I'm afraid he read the comments, you know? And I don't want him to read the comments because he also made that comment. He made that, "Thank you to Josh Safdie, you know, you present people who do good things and bad things and you don't judge." And I was just like, oh, no. Like, I know you're a poster, but you gotta, you gotta put up your wall.

• 32:12Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. You think he has notifications on?

• 32:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I hope not.

• 32:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I know that that generation is pretty crazy with their attention. But Jack, do you have notifications of any kind on, on your phone?

• 32:23Speaker 02

  Yes, of course.

• 32:24Amanda Dobbins?

  What like, but for what?

• 32:26Speaker 02

  Uh, New York Mets updates.

• 32:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 32:28Speaker 02

  Texts from my girlfriend.

• 32:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I mean, texts don't count. Texts are allowed.

• 32:33Sean Fennessey?

  What about social media?

• 32:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Anything else or apps?

• 32:35Speaker 02

  Uh, the only social media notifications I get are Twitter for sports-related information.

• 32:40Amanda Dobbins?

  But is it filtered for sports-related information?

• 32:42Speaker 02

  I choose what notifications I receive. So Jeff Passan, yes. Chris Ryan, no.

• 32:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 32:50Sean Fennessey?

  That too is my hierarchy.

• 32:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Um, I like, I can live with that, though I don't want you to add anything else.

• 32:59Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 33:00Sean Fennessey?

  I think Chalamet also made an effort to cite his co, his co-nominees.

• 33:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 33:05Sean Fennessey?

  In the category, in an effort to kind of like, pull back on some of the Marty aggressiveness. And I wonder if he is to win this coming Sunday, when we see a more demure or humble Timothy Chalamet. Hard to say. His look right now is extremely funny, like the short hair and the mustache.

• 33:22Amanda Dobbins?

  It's an awkward, uh, grow, regrowth length, you know? And that happens to everyone when you cut your hair off, you know, you like, you get in the middle there and there's no way out but through.

• 33:32Sean Fennessey?

  I really want to do it. I just really want to.

• 33:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Buzz your.

• 33:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I really want to do it.

• 33:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I mean, to, to quote Little Women, "Your one great beauty is your hair," but, um.

• 33:45Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, it's, it's, it's really good. You still have all of it?

• 33:47Sean Fennessey?

  I do.

• 33:48Amanda Dobbins?

  There are no, there's no transplant going on here, everyone. This is 100% natural. Well, I don't know. I'm just trying to help you out here. I'm, I'm boosting you.

• 33:56Sean Fennessey?

  I just, I'm sick of it.

• 33:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, I get it.

• 33:58Sean Fennessey?

  I'm sick of it.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  But what are you sick of? There's not even that much of it.

• 34:02Sean Fennessey?

  It's just, I just want to be free. I just want to get away, you know? I just want to make enough money so I can get away.

• 34:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought it was sweet when he talked to Kylie.

• 34:12Sean Fennessey?

  It wasn't.

• 34:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that she could have been a little more demonstrative in response, but I guess it's awkward.

• 34:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, they're public now, right? That's something I learned, but that's a thing that can happen or not happen.

• 34:26Sean Fennessey?

  Best actress, Jessie Buckley.

• 34:28Amanda Dobbins?

  That was great. And then her Paul Mescal stuff was truly lovely. Well, yeah, he blushed and then he wept. It was a great combo. He's special.

• 34:38Sean Fennessey?

  Best director, Paul Thomas Anderson.

• 34:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 34:41Sean Fennessey?

  He was quite moved as well. And actually, when Best Picture, when the film won for Best Picture, Tiana Taylor was a bit rough. The PTA, she was firing him up, you know? She was like, he was getting ready to go out after halftime, you know, and go battle. Original screenplay, Coogler for Sinners, adapted screenplay, PTA for One Battle. Here's some interesting wins.

• 35:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 35:02Sean Fennessey?

  Supporting actor and actress. For actor, Jacob Elordi for Frankenstein. And for actress, Amy Madigan for Weapons.

• 35:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 35:11Sean Fennessey?

  Two horror films. Two.

• 35:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Sort of.

• 35:13Sean Fennessey?

  Two folks, I mean, they are.

• 35:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, but like.

• 35:16Sean Fennessey?

  Two monster movies, for sure.

• 35:19Sean Fennessey?

  Two candidates who are in the race, for sure, who have been widely critically praised.

• 35:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 35:26Sean Fennessey?

  Who most people do not think are at the front of the line in their races.

• 35:29Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 35:30Sean Fennessey?

  You think this matters at all?

• 35:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that, no, I don't. I feel that they both will be nominated, but I felt that before Critics' Choice. I think if anything, this indicates that normies really like Frankenstein. They just really do. And I think you and I and many other people have scratched our heads at the.

• 35:53Sean Fennessey?

  The normie voters of the Critics' Choice Awards, you're saying?

• 35:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and people in general, that we, it was not for us, but people still, and so that that film is just kind of stronger.

• 36:04Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, I think his performance is excellent, though. We talked about that, too.

• 36:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, no, but I don't think he's gonna win supporting actor.

• 36:10Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think so either. Amy Madigan, you never know.

• 36:13Amanda Dobbins?

  It could happen.

• 36:14Sean Fennessey?

  A well-run campaign, that can happen.

• 36:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 36:16Sean Fennessey?

  That sort of thing has happened before. I'm trying to think of what the win was.

• 36:20Amanda Dobbins?

  She was wearing Dior, so that was cool also.

• 36:23Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, hmm.

• 36:27Amanda Dobbins?

  And Ethan Hawke was wearing bodysuit and looked amazing. This concludes my fashion report. And Tim Simons had a nice velvet jacket on.

• 36:33Sean Fennessey?

  Tim looked great.

• 36:34Amanda Dobbins?

  He looked so good.

• 36:35Sean Fennessey?

  He was smoking it out there. Uh, what was the race? There was a race some time ago.

• 36:43Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, I remember very vividly watching the 1993 Academy Awards for the 1992 films. And best supporting actress that year, here were the nominees. Miranda Richardson for a film called Damage, Vanessa Redgrave for Howard's End, Joan Plowright for Enchanted April, Judy Davis for Husbands and Wives. Now, four, you know, seasoned acclaimed actors. And Marisa Tomei for My Cousin Vinny. And Marisa Tomei won for My Cousin Vinny in what was thought to be like a surprising win. There was some conspiracy about it in the aftermath, but totally deserving. And I remember having a feeling for Joan Plowright that night. That was very unusual. And I was like, this, this poor woman, who at the time, I guess, was, she was only 64. She wasn't that old.

• 37:26Sean Fennessey?

  But she seemed, compared to Marisa Tomei, she seemed very old. And it was like, Joan Plowright's, you know, probably never gonna have another chance to win an Academy Award. She didn't win an Academy Award. It was her only nomination. You know, notably married to Laurence Olivier for decades.

• 37:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 37:43Sean Fennessey?

  And Amy Madigan is in that spot of like, you can't, is she gonna be nominated again? Probably not.

• 37:48Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 37:49Sean Fennessey?

  And so when people are looking Tiana Taylor, they're looking Inga Ibsdatter-Lilias, or, you know, they're looking at down the list, like-

• 37:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but the, the Inga Ibsdatter-Lilias thing is very strong.

• 38:01Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 38:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, you know, PTA and the directors roundup singled her out as well.

• 38:07Sean Fennessey?

  My dude, of cour- of course.

• 38:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Of course. She's wonderful in it.

• 38:11Sean Fennessey?

  A movie about a damaged family, of course Paul Thomas Anderson loves that movie. Come on.

• 38:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I, listen, I get it.

• 38:16Sean Fennessey?

  Love to see that.

• 38:18Amanda Dobbins?

  But and again.

• 38:19Sean Fennessey?

  To be praising movies like that, that you're competing against.

• 38:23Amanda Dobbins?

  It's cool.

• 38:23Sean Fennessey?

  I always love when filmmakers do that.

• 38:25Amanda Dobbins?

  He's so.

• 38:26Sean Fennessey?

  Anytime the director does that, I think that's great. That's why I asked that question at the end of the episodes, because I'm very curious, like, what they on. And if somebody doesn't say a movie that's just come out.

• 38:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you know.

• 38:35Sean Fennessey?

  Tells you a little bit.

• 38:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Um, but again, this is not an international, like, voting body. This is, even within the nominees, there are not as many international, um, films represented in the actors or in the Best Picture category. So I, I think you gotta, I think she's coming. And then, and then that starts to, the numbers break down of who goes for Tiana Taylor versus Amy Madigan versus Inga Ibsdatter.

• 39:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 39:02Amanda Dobbins?

  At least, I don't, I don't know quite yet.

• 39:03Sean Fennessey?

  It's an interesting one. Best Casting and Ensemble, nice to see this. Francine Masler, a legendary casting director who casts Sinners, which is incredibly worthy of this award. This is gonna be a fun one to track.

• 39:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 39:14Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I want to do, I want to do a full episode about this and have a couple of casting directors on the show to talk about it. And then you and I can kind of talk about what we think is, like, effective in all of these nominees. We have to wait until after the Oscar nominees come out. But when you look at Sinners and you look at One Battle and you look at Marty Supreme and you look at The Secret Agent, like, the films that are gonna be competing in this award are really interesting. I learned over the weekend, I didn't realize this when we talked about our, um, the shortlist, that it was just an accident, was not submitted for Best Casting, which is why it was not on that shortlist.

• 39:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 39:49Sean Fennessey?

  I think because there was probably no formal casting director, it sounds like, on the film.

• 39:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 39:53Sean Fennessey?

  So there was not a name to submit. But that's like, there's a lot of details to a new award. We should spend some time talking through it, because it is, it's a mysterious art.

• 40:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 40:01Sean Fennessey?

  Identifying the right person. I like that the Critics' Choice also does this. Best Foreign Language Film also went to Secret Agent. This is a lot of wins for The Secret Agent.

• 40:09Amanda Dobbins?

  It's really, really happening. I was tickled over the weekend to see that in the deliberations for the National, um, Society of Film Critics, I think it was David Rooney who shared that Jonah Sebastiana from The Secret Agent, Tanya Maria is her name, was like higher than you would expect

• 40:27Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting.

• 40:28Amanda Dobbins?

  in supporting category, which I mean-

• 40:29Sean Fennessey?

  She's wonderful, too.

• 40:30Amanda Dobbins?

  She's incredible in that movie.

• 40:31Sean Fennessey?

  That would be a cool campaign.

• 40:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I mean, I don't, I don't know whether that's gonna happen, but just that there was enough awareness and excitement for that film that a small but memorable role would be in the supporting actress category. Again, as you said, it's a critics' body, like they're, they're trying to get creative-

• 40:47Sean Fennessey?

  Could be nothing, yeah.

• 40:48Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's, yeah, but it's sticking with people.

• 40:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. K-Pop Demon Hunter's won Best Animated Feature.

• 40:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 40:52Sean Fennessey?

  Stay tuned to that.

• 40:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 40:53Sean Fennessey?

  Best Comedy, The Naked Gun.

• 40:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 40:55Sean Fennessey?

  Do we need a Best Comedy category?

• 40:57Amanda Dobbins?

  What, if, could you pick five comedies from last year? Like, could you fill out the ballot with deserving comedies?

• 41:04Sean Fennessey?

  Jurassic World Rebirth.

• 41:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 41:06Sean Fennessey?

  Won.

• 41:07Amanda Dobbins?

  This is completely rude.

• 41:08Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, no, I mean, sure, there's-

• 41:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Jonathan Bailey loved that dinosaur, you know?

• 41:12Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, and it was a laugh riot. Uh, Best Production Design went to Frankenstein. Best Editing went to F1. Best Costume Design also to Frankenstein.

• 41:19Amanda Dobbins?

  That's right.

• 41:19Sean Fennessey?

  Best Hair and Makeup also to Frankenstein.

• 41:22Amanda Dobbins?

  See, this is what I'm-

• 41:23Sean Fennessey?

  That may, that may transpire over, over, I mean, Deltor are always really strong with, with the, um, Below the Line groups, and Frankenstein's gonna be not, it's gonna get six nominations, for sure.

• 41:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 41:33Sean Fennessey?

  Best Visual Effects went to Avatar: Fire and Ash, of course, I would expect that to be the case at the Oscars. Best Sound went to F1.

• 41:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 41:39Sean Fennessey?

  Will also be competing very strongly there. We mentioned Cinematography went to Adolfo Veloso for Train Dreams. Best Song Golden, Best Score Ludwig, uh, Granson for Sinners. Could be three for three.

• 41:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Would be deserving.

• 41:52Sean Fennessey?

  Would be deserving.

• 41:52Amanda Dobbins?

  We, I mean, we had the Marty Supreme score on in the home a lot over the last two weeks, so-

• 41:57Sean Fennessey?

  I did as well.

• 41:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 41:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I got Alice listening to it a lot, and she was like, "Dad, this is very peaceful."

• 42:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay, well-

• 42:03Sean Fennessey?

  She found it very calming. There is a kind of Enya quality to some of the tracks.

• 42:06Amanda Dobbins?

  For sure.

• 42:07Sean Fennessey?

  Um, Best Stunt Design, Wade Eastwood for Mission Impossible: The Final Reckoning. Revisited that film over the break, didn't go well for me.

• 42:13Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 42:14Sean Fennessey?

  Best Young Actor or Actress, Miles, uh, Caton for, Caton? Caton, Miles Caton for Sinners. Um-

• 42:22Sean Fennessey?

  I'd like to have a breakthrough performance at the Oscars, as you know.

• 42:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 42:25Sean Fennessey?

  We don't have that. So DGA and SAG nominations coming later this week. We won't be recording an episode on Thursday when both of those come out.

• 42:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 42:31Sean Fennessey?

  So we won't be able to talk about those until next, probably maybe the Golden Globes episode.

• 42:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but they'll be useful in that context. And the Golden Globes episode will really be like, okay, where are we?

• 42:41Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. Couple of things to cite, mostly just for DGA that I think people should look for. I don't, I don't really know what's going on in this race. It seems like it's set up and chalky to be PTA Kugler, Chloé Zhao, Jafar Panahi, and Yoki M. Trier.

• 42:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 42:54Sean Fennessey?

  That seems like the five. And then the two people on the outside are Josh Safdie and Guillermo del Toro. I think from the betting markets perspective, those are the DGA nominees. Maybe Filio is in the mix there as well.

• 43:08Amanda Dobbins?

  You could see a surprise, yeah.

• 43:09Sean Fennessey?

  If that happens, then you can be like, okay, Secret Agent is super strong.

• 43:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 43:15Sean Fennessey?

  But DGA is really unpredictable and has an odd history with international filmmakers. So, for example, Alfonso Cuarón won for Roma.

• 43:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 43:25Sean Fennessey?

  But then Bang Jun Ho did not win for Parasite. Sam Mendes won that year for 1917, the following year. So last year, Jacques Audiard got in.

• 43:35Sean Fennessey?

  But they put Edward Berger, who is also an international filmmaker, but was, that was an English language film in conclave, over Corle Farsa.

• 43:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 43:43Sean Fennessey?

  Don't really know, like last year, James Mangold was in with DGA. That was a little bit of a surprise. And then that turned out that he was in at the Oscars.

• 43:51Amanda Dobbins?

  And that suggested strength at the Academy.

• 43:53Sean Fennessey?

  For a complete unknown and for that.

• 43:54Amanda Dobbins?

  It's never five to five. Almost never.

• 43:56Sean Fennessey?

  Very rarely.

• 43:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. There's always some sort of, and you know, I think some years, international, there have been international surprises that then do show up at the, in the Academy nominees. And then sometimes they switch around.

• 44:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 44:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Some years, they just like, forget about women. So, you know, but it's, it's mostly predictive, but you can't totally bank on it.

• 44:20Sean Fennessey?

  You're right that it's usually four out of five.

• 44:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 44:22Sean Fennessey?

  And choosing the right four, you can usually choose three out of five pretty easily that'll be at the Academy Awards. For SAG, I think let's look at, let's look at Ensemble, because it'll matter this year.

• 44:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm sorry, the Actor Awards.

• 44:32Sean Fennessey?

  The Actor Awards. Well, it's still the Screen Actors Guild Awards.

• 44:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 44:37Sean Fennessey?

  But the telecast is the Actor Awards, right?

• 44:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I didn't read that far into the press release, I can be honest to you.

• 44:43Sean Fennessey?

  I don't really know.

• 44:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Or is it like, or is just the, the little statue now, the actor? No, I think it's always been, and the actor goes too.

• 44:50Sean Fennessey?

  Well, let's trust, let's check out trusty Wikipedia. So when you go to, oh, that's so interesting. So it is the Actor Awards presented by SAG-AFTRA. But when you Google it, what it shows you is Screen Actors Guild Awards.

• 45:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 45:06Sean Fennessey?

  So, and this is the 30.

• 45:09Amanda Dobbins?

  But the Screen Actors Guild Awards, okay, this is just fantastic.

• 45:14Sean Fennessey?

  Was it called the Actor Awards last year?

• 45:16Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I, I really thought this was a rebrand.

• 45:18Sean Fennessey?

  So last year it was called the 31st Screen Actors Guild Awards.

• 45:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 45:23Sean Fennessey?

  And then this year, for the first time, is the Actor Awards?

• 45:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I read the first two lines of the press release, chuckled and moved on.

• 45:31Sean Fennessey?

  This is just gonna become common. Within two years, we'll just call it the Actor Awards.

• 45:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 45:34Sean Fennessey?

  Anyhow, look at Best Ensemble, because

• 45:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 45:39Sean Fennessey?

  You're, you're gonna have One Battle, you're gonna have Sinners, you're gonna have, probably have Hamlet.

• 45:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 45:43Sean Fennessey?

  You're gonna have, what else? What's gonna be the fourth and the fifth? That's the big question.

• 45:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I'd like to think Marty Supreme, but I don't know. It doesn't seem like there's a lot of below the line enthusiasm for

• 45:57Sean Fennessey?

  Huge, well, I mean, Fran Drescher's in the film.

• 45:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 46:00Sean Fennessey?

  President of SAG.

• 46:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 46:02Sean Fennessey?

  Um, divisive figure.

• 46:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly. I was like, I don't know whether that, you know, helps or hurts.

• 46:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 46:07Amanda Dobbins?

  But, but, but I meant in terms of the, I don't know that Marty Supreme is gonna get any of its supporting actors into the supporting categories at this point, which is surprising. And I think

• 46:17Sean Fennessey?

  Probably not.

• 46:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Before the season started, we would have said either Gwyneth Paltrow or, once we saw the film, Odessa Zayn, but I don't think

• 46:27Sean Fennessey?

  Well, you know, I think because the movie is a hit, in a similar fashion to A Complete Unknown, when that movie became a hit, it became hard to ignore. Springsteen, for example, not doing well this year, kinda knocked it out of the race entirely.

• 46:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:40Sean Fennessey?

  It didn't get great reviews either, but I think the film, having continued success over the next six weeks, will be very helpful for nominations. So maybe someone like Odessa Zayn gets in, but I don't know about Marty, he may not get in. Can a movie like, can a movie like The Secret Agent or Sentimental Value get in? Like, what are the international features that are getting in here? Last year, Conclave won this award over Enora, which was a little bit more of a character study. The other nominees were Complete Unknown, Emilia Perez, and Wicked. Wicked for Good could get in here?

• 47:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so.

• 47:09Sean Fennessey?

  Very possible.

• 47:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 47:11Sean Fennessey?

  Actors like those movies. Is Cynthia Reville gonna be nominated for an Academy Award, do you think?

• 47:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Has she been campaigning?

• 47:20Sean Fennessey?

  Not too much.

• 47:21Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, you know, she took a break. And I guess we'll see at the Academy Awards. I mean, at the Golden Globes, what happens? And whether she's back and whether she puts on another push? Because this is also nominations voting starts, I believe, next Monday, right after the Golden Globes.

• 47:38Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, later this week, we will predict every Golden Globe race.

• 47:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, great. But so I think if she's front of mind the next two weeks, people will probably be like, oh, she was very good.

• 47:48Sean Fennessey?

  Agreed.

• 47:49Amanda Dobbins?

  But we'll see.

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• 49:30Sean Fennessey?

  2026.

• 49:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, films. They're making them.

• 49:34Sean Fennessey?

  So, we each made lists.

• 49:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 49:37Sean Fennessey?

  I have a hundred honorable mentions. I have honorable mentions broken into multiple categories.

• 49:43Amanda Dobbins?

  You do.

• 49:44Sean Fennessey?

  I love a list. I love to anticipate.

• 49:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 49:47Sean Fennessey?

  I love when I'm like, gosh, I hope this is good. It's my favorite feeling.

• 49:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 49:52Sean Fennessey?

  Actually, that's not true. My favorite feeling is ambitious swing at a film that is gorgeously executed. That's my favorite thing.

• 49:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 50:00Sean Fennessey?

  Second favorite thing is, gosh, I hope this is good.

• 50:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Fair enough.

• 50:03Sean Fennessey?

  Just the way that it makes me feel. Sitting down, a movie's about to start. I've been thinking about it for months. I'm ready for it.

• 50:09Amanda Dobbins?

  It's a, it is a very good feeling.

• 50:11Sean Fennessey?

  It's, it's probably why I'm doing this, honestly. So, because you don't get that feeling at the end of a movie often. Three, four, five, six, 70 times a year.

• 50:20Amanda Dobbins?

  But I mean, that is a very exciting one.

• 50:22Sean Fennessey?

  It's very nice.

• 50:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it more exciting to you when it's a film that you have been anticipating?

• 50:27Sean Fennessey?

  Surprise.

• 50:27Amanda Dobbins?

  And it lands, or when you're just like, oh, this is out of nowhere?

• 50:30Sean Fennessey?

  Surprise. There are exceptions. Once upon a time in Hollywood, very memorably, was a moment when I could not have been looking forward to a movie more, and it exceeded my, my expectations. I genuinely was just levitated when I'm, at the end of that movie. That doesn't happen often with something, you know, I loved One Battle. We talked about it nonstop this year. And it wasn't what I thought it was going to be, but I was like, of course. Of course he did that, you know?

• 50:58Sean Fennessey?

  It's different when you don't see a movie coming, and that's harder. I don't know if there, and this exercise kind of eliminates that, that opportunity. Like, I know too much. I think I said this like a year ago, where I was like, I've just read too much. I watch too many trailers. I know what movies are in production. I'm obsessed.

• 51:13Amanda Dobbins?

  And I'll say to you now what I said to you then, which is like, that's a you problem. Like, you can fix it a little bit.

• 51:18Sean Fennessey?

  Or is it a me skill?

• 51:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so.

• 51:21Sean Fennessey?

  You know, does it or does it not power this show?

• 51:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. But you also said that the best part of your break was not any film that you watched, but the feeling of not watching films for work.

• 51:31Sean Fennessey?

  I'm a man of tremendous contradiction.

• 51:33Amanda Dobbins?

  That is so true. You also put so many movies on your list that I was just like, well, there are like three movies left coming out in 2026. I found some, I made some of my own sublists. It's fine.

• 51:45Sean Fennessey?

  Exciting.

• 51:45Amanda Dobbins?

  You know.

• 51:46Sean Fennessey?

  I haven't looked at your sublists. Well, there were probably about five titles that I knew you would want, that I didn't even have to think about, just as I assume you think there were five or so that I would be okay with. Do you want to start or should I start? And should we do honorable mentions first rather than second?

• 52:00Amanda Dobbins?

  That's way too chaotic because some of your honorable mentions are on my list. No, we just gotta, we gotta do our list.

• 52:06Sean Fennessey?

  You go first.

• 52:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 52:07Sean Fennessey?

  This is really, I like what you've done here.

• 52:09Amanda Dobbins?

  My, my first slot or three films that could be the best or the worst thing that ever happened to me. And they set a tone for Amanda's 2026, which is, I don't know if it's getting what I want, because I don't know if I ever wanted this, but the, the, the fan service and the sequelitis and the things you love being important again, that experience that you've been having for the last 10 years are coming for me in The Devil Wears Prada 2, The Social Reckoning, and Sense and Sensibility.

• 52:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Two sequels and a remake of three of my most beloved films. Let me just say right now, direct to camera, salute to you, Bill Simmons. The Devil Wears Prada is the number one most rewatchable movie of all time. That was just, you know, I, sometimes I haven't even spoken to Bill for a few weeks and then I'm just like, oh yeah, Bill is my soulmate. That's, it's beautiful. Like I, it's correct. We didn't even have to talk about it. I just, I know, I felt really seen. I am, you know, The Devil Wears Prada 2 could be a total disaster. It really could.

• 53:22Sean Fennessey?

  It could.

• 53:23Amanda Dobbins?

  And really embarrassing. Well, that doesn't matter to me. I just, I wanna, I want it to not be embarrassing. I want to not slide in my seat and be like, oh no, because I love that original film very much. I think it's very good, very smart. I quote it all the time. The Social Reckoning, I just, I first didn't want to put it on this list and then I hadn't, you know.

• 53:44Sean Fennessey?

  I served it up to you.

• 53:45Amanda Dobbins?

  You did, and I was like, well, if I'm doing a thing about being nervous about ruining my favorite things, The Social Network was the number one list on our 25 for 25. I love that film and I'm just really nervous about Aaron Sorkin solo writing and directing a film about Facebook without Jesse Eisenberg as Mark Zuckerberg.

• 54:09Sean Fennessey?

  Do you genuinely think that this movie could sully the legacy of the first film? I don't think so.

• 54:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't think so either, but anything is possible when people have internet connections in 2026, you know, I mean, the world's just.

• 54:26Sean Fennessey?

  You know, I think about this similarly to the way that I think about the last two Indiana Jones films. Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, which Steven Spielberg directed.

• 54:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 54:34Sean Fennessey?

  And The Dial of Destiny, which James Mangold directed. Some people would say, most people I think would say Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is better. I'm a little bit warmer on Dial of Destiny. They're both not nearly as good as the first three films, not nearly.

• 54:48Amanda Dobbins?

  He just, I mean, when he has to chat with Archimedes.

• 54:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, incredible. I love that part. It should have stayed there. That's my whole thing. Anyway, those movies, no matter how good or bad they were, they never could have messed with my love for Raiders of the Lost Ark. They just couldn't, it is unshakable.

• 55:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 55:05Sean Fennessey?

  And so I don't, I don't think that this movie can damage The Social Network. I think it can do damage to Aaron Sorkin's continued.

• 55:15Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I think you're right.

• 55:15Sean Fennessey?

  Reputation as a creative person.

• 55:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I think you're right, and I think the fact that it, there is no repeating cast is, is a good thing in the sense that it's just a separate something that they tried. In many ways, it's like the last two seasons of The West Wing, which, you know, I have seen, but.

• 55:32Sean Fennessey?

  But we're without Aaron Sorkin.

• 55:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, and, and, and things devolve.

• 55:36Sean Fennessey?

  Right.

• 55:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Let's just put it that way.

• 55:37Sean Fennessey?

  Got a great cast in this movie.

• 55:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 55:40Sean Fennessey?

  Right? Two Jeremys and a Mikey? Good stuff.

• 55:44Amanda Dobbins?

  And then Sense and Sensibility is a remake directed by Georgia Oakley. And Daisy Edgar Jones is Eleanor. And Esme Creed Miles is Mary Ann. Katrina Balf is Mrs. Dashwood.

• 55:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, hell yeah.

• 55:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure. Frank Delane as Willoughby. Listen.

• 56:00Sean Fennessey?

  Frank Delane terrific in Urchin.

• 56:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, and George Mackay is in it as Edward Ferris. So, listen.

• 56:06Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty good. Good cast.

• 56:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but the-

• 56:09Sean Fennessey?

  Daisy Edgar Jones?

• 56:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I s- listen, she's very pretty. So, I did, I didn't see Where the Crawdads Sing coming. I didn't see the end of it. It got me, so.

• 56:21Sean Fennessey?

  Where the Crawdads Sing, one of the worst films of the decade?

• 56:24Amanda Dobbins?

  But that was like one of my first movies back from Knox maternity leave.

• 56:28Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 56:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I think my parents were- that was the same, the same trip where I saw Minions, The Rise of- Ed Pips.

• 56:34Sean Fennessey?

  Hold it together. We got 75 movies to talk about. Hang in. Hang on.

• 56:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I also saw Where the Crawdads Sing. Also, at my hometown movie theater. It's horrifying that Harris Dickinson is one of those men is also just-

• 56:49Sean Fennessey?

  Not a good-

• 56:49Amanda Dobbins?

  It's okay, he made it out. They all made it out. Um, I'm, I'm nervous about all three of these. I, I just, I'm nervous.

• 56:58Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I can't really speak to, I think Devil Wears Prada is a very good movie. It's not like one of my favorite movies of all time. I don't really care about its legacy at all. Um, The Social Network obviously means a great deal to me. Sense and Sensibility, I like quite a bit.

• 57:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 57:10Sean Fennessey?

  I, it feels a little different adaptations of centuries old novels to me like-

• 57:15Amanda Dobbins?

  That's true. And the Austin remake, like there's always a remake or an adaptation or an update of like one of the Austin texts. Remember when we made you name all six Jane Austen novels?

• 57:25Sean Fennessey?

  I got close.

• 57:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but you didn't remember Pride and Prejudice.

• 57:27Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't.

• 57:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Anyway, I, I agree with you, but the Emma Thompson Sense and Sensibility is a core text for me. So, I just, it's interesting. Am I supposed to open my heart to these? This is, I've never been in this position before.

• 57:40Sean Fennessey?

  You're supposed to open your heart to every new film that comes out. That's the whole point.

• 57:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that is not how I live my life.

• 57:46Sean Fennessey?

  I know it's not. You're a crazy person. Uh, my number 13 is The Bride. And I, I share a similar unease-

• 57:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 57:54Sean Fennessey?

  As your number 13 choices with The Bride. On paper, The Bride is Maggie Gyllenhaal's new film, her follow-up to The Lost Daughter, from Warner Brothers, from the Abdi De Luca regime.

• 58:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 58:07Sean Fennessey?

  Starring Jessie Buckley and Christian Bale in a modern, black-and-white riff on The Bride of Frankenstein. Lot of tic-tac-toe there for me.

• 58:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:18Sean Fennessey?

  I am a little bit put off by the trailer of this film and the behind-the-scenes kind of production slash like testing scuttlebutt of the movie for the movie is not good. That doesn't mean I'm not gonna like it, and I'm really interested at least to see what it is. It kinda got dumped in the March window, but it kinda got placed in the Jessie Buckley Oscar zone.

• 58:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 58:38Sean Fennessey?

  So it's coming in a couple of months. We're gonna find out pretty soon whether it works or not, but I'm very curious, because it's a collision of a lot of things that I dig.

• 58:45Amanda Dobbins?

  It's in the Mickey 17 spot.

• 58:47Sean Fennessey?

  It is.

• 58:48Amanda Dobbins?

  And from, and in the same situation, from the same Warner Brothers, you know, executives.

• 58:55Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 58:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Like Maggie Gyllenhaal is not Bong Joon-ho, but she's a great director. I really liked the Elena Ferrante adaptation that she did a few years ago, and it's the same time window release, and it's kind of the same like behind-the-scenes like, hmm?

• 59:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 59:11Amanda Dobbins?

  So, we'll see.

• 59:12Sean Fennessey?

  I thought we could just hang the 13 like.

• 59:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 59:14Sean Fennessey?

  You have my attention, but also my concern.

• 59:17Amanda Dobbins?

  We are anticipating them.

• 59:19Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, we are.

• 59:19Amanda Dobbins?

  But what is the nature of the anticipation?

• 59:22Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 59:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 59:23Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, what is your number 12?

• 59:24Amanda Dobbins?

  My number 12 is a little film called The Rip, starring Ben Affleck and Matt Damon, because moms and dads can have fun too, you know?

• 59:33Sean Fennessey?

  Has anyone seen this film yet, which comes out in 10 days?

• 59:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I watched a trailer this morning. Honestly, it looks great. I mean, it's just like, it's like, you know, a Xerox of the town, which is a Xerox of the heat, but set in Miami, and there's, they don't even bother with a Rebecca Hall character, as far as I can tell. But it's Matt Damon and Ben Affleck staring at each other, being like, are we even good guys or bad guys? Some others, I was excited.

• 59:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's like a narcotics cop heist movie.

• 1:00:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, great.

• 1:00:02Sean Fennessey?

  I would say also a slightly worrying release date of January 16th on Netflix. Not exactly encouraging.

• 1:00:08Amanda Dobbins?

  But like, we can have fun. We can enjoy silly things.

• 1:00:12Sean Fennessey?

  I hope it's great. Joe Carnahan directed it.

• 1:00:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Triple frontier forever.

• 1:00:17Sean Fennessey?

  Some great Joe Carnahan movies in the past. The Grey, probably my favorite of his movies. Hopefully, this is really, really good. We will talk about it. And we will draft Matt Damon and Ben Affleck movies.

• 1:00:27Amanda Dobbins?

  You took two movies at number 12 that also, at least one of them would have been on my list on its own. Well, that's not, you just wrote 45,000 movies.

• 1:00:36Sean Fennessey?

  Well, this is what I do. This is literally what I do for a living, is I just write lists of movies.

• 1:00:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I know. And then you read them aloud.

• 1:00:41Sean Fennessey?

  Well, what, to me, I really wanted to put a spotlight on Primetime. Which is Lance Oppenheim's new feature film. Lance was a guest of the show a couple of years ago for Ren Faire, his documentary. He's only made documentaries to this point, three really interesting documentaries. This is his first feature for 824. It's a kind of set in the world of To Catch a Predator. And Chris Hansen, the host of the show To Catch a Predator. And there was a documentary about this earlier this year called Predators that I have cited on the show a couple of times. Robert Pattinson is playing Chris Hansen, or Chris Hansen-like figure in this movie. Not a lot is known about this movie. Lance is an extremely creative and, I'd say, daring documentarian.

• 1:01:24Sean Fennessey?

  Who is constantly blurring the line between truth and fiction.

• 1:01:29Sean Fennessey?

  To Catch a Predator was a show that blurred the line between truth and fiction. And it where they sort of set up these sting operations to ensnare

• 1:01:37Sean Fennessey?

  child sexual predators. And I'm fascinated by what Lance will do. I know Lance a little bit, but even given that, like, I think this is really interesting. But when I was thinking about this movie, which is sort of a docudrama, sort of not, it did get me thinking about Ink.

• 1:01:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:54Sean Fennessey?

  Which is sort of like the B-side to my Primetime rec.

• 1:01:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:01:57Sean Fennessey?

  I've only just recently become aware of Ink.

• 1:01:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:59Sean Fennessey?

  But Ink is, then I knew Danny Boyle filmed about Rupert Murdoch.

• 1:02:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. And who is playing Rupert Murdoch?

• 1:02:04Sean Fennessey?

  Who is playing Rupert Murdoch?

• 1:02:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Guy Pearce.

• 1:02:06Sean Fennessey?

  Guy Pearce, right. So. Um, Guy Pearce, legendary Australian, just like Rupert Murdoch, legendary Australian. Danny Boyle came back like a fucking house on fire with 28 Years Later last year. He's incredibly good at movies like this. If you've seen Steve Jobs, you know that he is like born to make these sharp, sharply scripted, kind of like biopic snapshots of powerful people at critical stages of their lives. This is about a younger Rupert Murdoch. It's not the octogenarian that we know today. And I'm very interested in that movie. I don't, you never know.

• 1:02:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Nanogenarian at this point, I think. Yeah.

• 1:02:42Sean Fennessey?

  Nanogenarian, okay, cool.

• 1:02:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Can you please discuss the supporting cast?

• 1:02:45Sean Fennessey?

  You're gonna have to remind me.

• 1:02:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Jack O'Connell and Claire Foy in the Seth Rogen and Kate Winslet pole position. Like, that's, listen, I'm excited.

• 1:02:53Sean Fennessey?

  You should've just grabbed it. You should've just grabbed it.

• 1:02:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, but you already had it. You had like a nice little package about media stuff.

• 1:02:58Sean Fennessey?

  I did.

• 1:02:59Amanda Dobbins?

  It's fine. I mean, I respect your list making, but I'm excited about this. It is true that Danny Boyle is really good at these things. And then also sometimes he gives you what you want so much that then you have a breakdown on a podcast because he reanimated John Lennon, you know, and...

• 1:03:14Sean Fennessey?

  Could go either way. Takes a lot of swings. He's truly one of our most audacious mainstream filmmakers. And this movie does not have a studio as far as I know. It's being produced by Studio Canal. It started shooting in October. Not a guarantee that it's a 2026 movie. So that's part of the other reason why I kind of like, you know, side carded it with primetime. But, um, yeah, yeah, Claire Foy, your girl. What's she been up to? Have you seen H's for Hawk?

• 1:03:37Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:03:38Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:03:39Amanda Dobbins?

  You know how I am about birds.

• 1:03:40Sean Fennessey?

  I do, I do, actually. What's your number 11?

• 1:03:45Amanda Dobbins?

  The entertainment system is down.

• 1:03:46Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, bold stroke here.

• 1:03:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, here's the thing. And I went back and forth on this. So this is the new film from Ruben Oslund.

• 1:03:53Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 1:03:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Which has not been announced for Cannes, but he is the king of Cannes, so I assume it will be there.

• 1:03:58Sean Fennessey?

  100% chance it will be there.

• 1:03:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Incredible cast. Let me read. And it's, what we know is what's in the title.

• 1:04:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:04:03Amanda Dobbins?

  People stuck on a plane. Here's the cast. Keanu Reeves, Daniel Bruhl, Samantha Morton, Nicholas Brom, Tobias Menzies, Vincent London, Connor Swindells. It's so good. It goes on. And of course, most important, Kirsten Kieke-Dunst. I had a meeting with myself and I go where Kirsten goes. Okay?

• 1:04:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Ruben Oslund is the most, um...

• 1:04:29Sean Fennessey?

  Like, why does everybody like the band I like filmmaker in recent history for me? Where when I saw Play and I saw Force Majeur, I was like, oh, yeah. This gets it like the real bitter heart, the real like selfish, frail, masculine sadness. And I liked The Square, his film with Elizabeth Moss and.

• 1:04:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Clay's bang.

• 1:04:50Sean Fennessey?

  Clay's bang, thank you, about the art world.

• 1:04:54Sean Fennessey?

  And, you know, everybody caught on, right? With Triangle of Sadness and that film was hugely acclaimed. It was a pretty big hit, won the Palme d'Or.

• 1:05:02Sean Fennessey?

  And the logline of this movie sounds so similar to his last couple of films, which are like these big, obvious targets of, you know, in the case of The Square, it's like the vanity and emptiness of the art world.

• 1:05:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:05:18Sean Fennessey?

  In Triangle of Sadness, the sort of like cone of wealth and how it like, these people don't really understand what's really transpiring in the world. And then in this movie, it's about like the attention economy, right? Like what happens on a flight?

• 1:05:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:05:31Sean Fennessey?

  When the entertainment system goes down and what do people do to each other?

• 1:05:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, the hope.

• 1:05:36Sean Fennessey?

  They're very broad satire.

• 1:05:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:05:38Sean Fennessey?

  I like them.

• 1:05:39Amanda Dobbins?

  The hope, I think Triangle of Sadness, which like we both liked, but it was very obvious. Yes, like we do in fact know the rich people are bad. If this is less about how everyone is stupid on their phones and more about how social norms have just completely, you know, the social contract is completely dead and this could be smartly observed and funny.

• 1:06:03Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:06:03Amanda Dobbins?

  And it is a great cast.

• 1:06:05Sean Fennessey?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:06:06Amanda Dobbins?

  If it is just like, you know, the, um, I can't remember the actor's name because the character's name was Cy, C Y and Wake Up Dead Man. The, uh, the vlogger, the, the.

• 1:06:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, the, yeah.

• 1:06:21Sean Fennessey?

  It is Daryl McCormick.

• 1:06:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes. Um, if it's just that character from Wake Up Dead Man, but everyone just doing dumb things on their phone or yelling because there's no wifi, then, then I like, I agree with you. But once again. I go where Kirsten Dunst goes.

• 1:06:41Sean Fennessey?

  I completely understand. I support it.

• 1:06:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm setting my intentions for 2026.

• 1:06:44Sean Fennessey?

  I have a similar relationship with Keanu Reeves, so I'm intrigued. I hope that film is good. Look, here's what I did yesterday. My dad gave me a gift certificate for Christmas

• 1:06:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:06:55Sean Fennessey?

  to buy any Blu-rays that I wanted.

• 1:06:57Amanda Dobbins?

  That's nice.

• 1:06:58Sean Fennessey?

  And I used that gift certificate yesterday. And I bought the Curzon Rubin Ostland box set.

• 1:07:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow.

• 1:07:05Sean Fennessey?

  Which includes his short films, most of which I have not seen, his very early movies that he made in Scandinavia. I'm gonna like, I'm gonna try to not be sour about it. I really liked Force Majeure a lot. Like, I thought about it for 25 for 25. I would love for this movie, because this movie's gonna be a big deal. Like, it's gonna be around because it's gonna be competing for the Palm. And it's probably gonna be an Academy movie, probably. So, you're definitely right to put it on this list. My number 11 is somewhat similar.

• 1:07:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Exactly. Relax.

• 1:07:37Sean Fennessey?

  Well, here, I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be too associated with your strong negative feelings around this movie.

• 1:07:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, that's fine.

• 1:07:44Sean Fennessey?

  I wanna open my mind to Digger, which is the new Alejandro Gonzales Inaritu film starring Tom Cruise. I didn't really, like, share any feelings about the teaser, because you were, like, big mad.

• 1:07:58Sean Fennessey?

  Which I thought was okay.

• 1:07:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I wasn't that big mad. I just had an opinion, which is what I'm paid to do on this podcast, okay?

• 1:08:04Sean Fennessey?

  It's debatable.

• 1:08:07Sean Fennessey?

  I... It could be bad. It could be silly. It could be overwrought. It could be overdrawn.

• 1:08:14Amanda Dobbins?

  It could be great.

• 1:08:15Sean Fennessey?

  I'm excited to see what Tom Cruise can do. That's really what it comes down to. Inaritu, not a huge fan of. As a filmmaker, there are some films of his that I like. I still... I was blown away by Maury Sparrow, as most people were.

• 1:08:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:08:29Sean Fennessey?

  And it does felt like a little bit of repeating himself in some ways over that time. But Tom Cruise in an original film.

• 1:08:37Sean Fennessey?

  This doesn't happen anymore. It's happened like once every 15 years now. So hopefully this is the start of something bigger. I hope it's not too goofy. It's the one thing I'll say.

• 1:08:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I hope so as well. Listen, if it's great, I will be very excited.

• 1:08:50Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think this movie is gonna do festivals?

• 1:08:53Amanda Dobbins?

  As I said to you.

• 1:08:54Sean Fennessey?

  You think it's just Venice?

• 1:08:55Amanda Dobbins?

  I think Venice, yeah, just because of the time thing. And because it is dated for October, I think it would be strange to do Cannes and then sit on it.

• 1:09:06Sean Fennessey?

  I agree with you.

• 1:09:06Amanda Dobbins?

  So probably Venice.

• 1:09:09Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Number 10.

• 1:09:11Amanda Dobbins?

  How to Make a Killing. This is the new John Patton Ford movie who directed Emily the Criminal, which was.

• 1:09:17Sean Fennessey?

  You love that movie.

• 1:09:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, a great film. And then it stars Glenn Powell, who I'm also a fan of, Margaret Qualley. It's sort of a classic. It's a Glenn Powell is a guy who is disinherited and tries to take revenge against his family in order to get back his inheritance. So some of the same themes of slimy capitalism, but from a different perspective than Emily the Criminal. But I like, I just really liked that movie.

• 1:09:45Sean Fennessey?

  I think it would be, this occurred to me when I saw the trailer for this movie, which seems like a little bit of a soft remake of Kind Hearts and Cornet. And that maybe Glenn Powell wants to be Alec Guinness.

• 1:09:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 1:09:58Sean Fennessey?

  You know, in terms of like a lot of costumes, characters that are unrecognizable, a kind of like antique, silly, serious tone to almost everything that he makes. Like Twisters is really the only like hyper-serious movie that he's made, right?

• 1:10:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so. And he still gets to be funny, you know? He's the charm merchant in that. Yeah, that could be nice for him.

• 1:10:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Alec Guinness episode.

• 1:10:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I was, sure, it's very big in my house right now.

• 1:10:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, oh, that's a good point.

• 1:10:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:30Sean Fennessey?

  His performance when we watched The New Hope a couple of weeks ago really popped out to me again, really. He's like, he's really giving it his all with some of the, it must've been a complete poppycock to him on the page, but he really, he sold it hard. My number 10 is Remain. This is the new M. Night Shyamalan film starring Jake Gyllenhaal.

• 1:10:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:10:47Sean Fennessey?

  Could really go either way.

• 1:10:48Amanda Dobbins?

  That's, we're all taking chances.

• 1:10:50Sean Fennessey?

  This is, I think part of the thing, part of the challenge of these lists is.

• 1:10:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:56Sean Fennessey?

  There's a bunch of movies that I feel fairly confident are gonna be good. That I'm like, I'm excited to see them. But there's not a lot of like emotional unknown. Remain is a complete emotional unknown. With Trap, Trap was super divisive. You and I really liked it. We had a great time seeing that movie. And I, I don't know if I've heard more from people about what an idiot I am for liking a movie than the movie Trap, which is fine. Uh, I, I really did have a great time with it. And-

• 1:11:23Amanda Dobbins?

  And when he takes his shirt off to try to poison his long suffering wife. Oh, really good stuff.

• 1:11:29Sean Fennessey?

  Not, not ideal, not what you want.

• 1:11:31Amanda Dobbins?

  It was so funny.

• 1:11:32Sean Fennessey?

  So Remain, which I think was shot on Vista Vision?

• 1:11:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, listen.

• 1:11:37Sean Fennessey?

  Shout out to M. Night Shyamalan. Uh, I'm gonna read you the long line.

• 1:11:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I can't wait.

• 1:11:42Sean Fennessey?

  New York architect Tate Donovan, you can't name a character Tate Donovan. Tate Donovan's a real guy. Knight, what are we doing? New York architect Tate Donovan heads to Cape Cod-

• 1:11:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:11:51Sean Fennessey?

  -to design a summer home for his best friend, seeking a fresh start after being treated for acute depression. Still mourning his sister's death, he meets Wren, a young woman who disrupts his carefully ordered world. Jake Gyllenhaal is Tate-

• 1:12:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:12:06Sean Fennessey?

  And Phoebe Dinnever is Wren.

• 1:12:09Amanda Dobbins?

  All right, I, that's-

• 1:12:10Sean Fennessey?

  From Bridgerton.

• 1:12:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I like her as a, as a, um, a foil to him.

• 1:12:13Sean Fennessey?

  A counterpoint, yes, I agree. I'm, you know, here's, here's, here's a real concern.

• 1:12:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Jake Gyllenhaal as a depressed architect.

• 1:12:19Sean Fennessey?

  There's a real concern with this movie.

• 1:12:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:22Sean Fennessey?

  So the film is written and directed by M. Night Shyamalan, but the story is by Nicholas Sparks.

• 1:12:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, well, I honestly, I'm, I'm leaning in.

• 1:12:30Sean Fennessey?

  You're in, you're in, okay.

• 1:12:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm sitting on the edge of my seat for this one.

• 1:12:33Sean Fennessey?

  Um, it does have a-

• 1:12:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 1:12:34Sean Fennessey?

  -big fat October 23rd Halloween release date. This is like-

• 1:12:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Wonderful.

• 1:12:39Sean Fennessey?

  Very clearly a kind of ghost story.

• 1:12:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, this is what we were talking about. You know, Nicholas Sparks writes books that were adapted for many years. When will we do our Sparks episode, Nicholas Sparks episode?

• 1:12:49Sean Fennessey?

  It's not a bad idea.

• 1:12:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:12:51Sean Fennessey?

  It's honestly not a bad idea. I have seen maybe like three of the 13 adaptations.

• 1:12:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:12:55Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I don't get the impression they're very good.

• 1:12:57Amanda Dobbins?

  The Notebook is an all-timer.

• 1:12:59Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Uh, number nine?

• 1:13:01Amanda Dobbins?

  The moment. Charlie!

• 1:13:03Sean Fennessey?

  Is this gonna be good?

• 1:13:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I'm gonna have a good time.

• 1:13:06Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:13:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you wanna do a Charlie holiday, uh, movie check-in?

• 1:13:10Sean Fennessey?

  Sure, yeah, let's see what she watched. Thanks for asking.

• 1:13:14Sean Fennessey?

  We've been tracking on the show Charlie XCX's work on Letterboxd and I haven't really checked in on her in a while. Wow, some incredible news for you.

• 1:13:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:13:22Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, let's just go from, let's just go from Christmas Eve.

• 1:13:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:28Sean Fennessey?

  Christmas Eve, she checked out Jay Kelly.

• 1:13:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:13:31Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, no heart, no star, no review.

• 1:13:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:35Sean Fennessey?

  Christmas Day, double feature. She started with Paddington in Peru.

• 1:13:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:13:39Sean Fennessey?

  And she followed that up with a five-star hearted review of Cape Fear.

• 1:13:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Legendary.

• 1:13:45Sean Fennessey?

  Twenty-sixth, she went in reverse order to check out Paddington Two.

• 1:13:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:13:49Sean Fennessey?

  Sounds like maybe she hadn't seen Paddington Two before.

• 1:13:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Positive.

• 1:13:53Sean Fennessey?

  But watched Paddington in Peru first. She hearted it.

• 1:13:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:13:57Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, she re-watched on the twenty-sixth also Fargo, five stars. Her review for the film Fargo is Francis is the goat.

• 1:14:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:14:06Sean Fennessey?

  Can't say disagree. Skipped a couple of days of screenings, came back with a fury.

• 1:14:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Alright.

• 1:14:11Sean Fennessey?

  On December twenty-ninth.

• 1:14:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe she was spending time with her family.

• 1:14:14Sean Fennessey?

  She watched The Aviator, a re-watch. No notes other than a re-watch.

• 1:14:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. I feel the same way.

• 1:14:20Sean Fennessey?

  I'd like to re-watch it, actually. Then she watched Inland Empire, R.I.P. David Lynch.

• 1:14:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Incredible.

• 1:14:26Sean Fennessey?

  She did heart that film. Looks like her first watch. Then she watched Now You See Me, Now You Don't. Little palate cleanser at the end of the night.

• 1:14:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:31Sean Fennessey?

  Love to watch Inland Empire and then Now You See Me, Now You Don't. Normal behavior.

• 1:14:35Amanda Dobbins?

  You do need to reset before you go to bed.

• 1:14:38Sean Fennessey?

  It's true. She, she had a really good time on December thirtieth and December thirty-first. On December thirtieth.

• 1:14:45Sean Fennessey?

  I had a nice time. Um, she watched Twenty-One Jump Street. Great comedy.

• 1:14:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Classic.

• 1:14:51Sean Fennessey?

  The next day, on eve, she watched Twenty-Two Jump Street. Also very funny.

• 1:14:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:56Sean Fennessey?

  Then she followed up.

• 1:14:57Amanda Dobbins?

  You know what I think about from those movies all the time and I can't remember which one? When Channing Tatum is like trying to figure out what's going on with the backpack and like why you only wear one, uh,

• 1:15:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:15:07Amanda Dobbins?

  one sleeve or like one thing now. He's like, what, this changed?

• 1:15:10Sean Fennessey?

  These movies are very ripe for the re-watchables. I can't believe that Twenty-One Jump Street hasn't been on the re-watchables. Uh, Rush Hour Two.

• 1:15:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:15:17Sean Fennessey?

  Came right after that. Five stars.

• 1:15:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Beautiful.

• 1:15:20Sean Fennessey?

  Rush Hour back in the news. Rush Hour Four apparently in, going into production, directed by Brett Ratner at Paramount.

• 1:15:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I hope that Charlie is not accepting a role in Rush Hour Four.

• 1:15:28Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, on New Year's Day.

• 1:15:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:15:30Sean Fennessey?

  She watched Ballad of a Small Player.

• 1:15:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:15:33Sean Fennessey?

  No review, no stars, no heart, nothing. And then on January 2nd, she watched Something's Gotta Give.

• 1:15:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, welcome.

• 1:15:40Sean Fennessey?

  First time screening.

• 1:15:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Nothing.

• 1:15:43Sean Fennessey?

  No, nothing.

• 1:15:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, wow. Yeah.

• 1:15:45Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think she was listening to 25 for 25?

• 1:15:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Probably not. Because if she was listening to 20, we would have heard from her by now. If she were that deep in the archives. Yeah.

• 1:15:57Sean Fennessey?

  What do you mean? You think she would have called me?

• 1:15:59Amanda Dobbins?

  No, she would have DM'd us. I like, I just like, because we've been so involved with the Letterboxd.

• 1:16:05Sean Fennessey?

  No DMs on Letterboxd, though.

• 1:16:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, you know, she has Instagram.

• 1:16:10Sean Fennessey?

  That's true. That's true. Does she follow you?

• 1:16:12Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:16:12Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Uh, where were we? Number nine?

• 1:16:15Amanda Dobbins?

  The moment. I'm excited.

• 1:16:17Sean Fennessey?

  I hope it's good.

• 1:16:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I hope so as well.

• 1:16:19Sean Fennessey?

  January 30th release date?

• 1:16:23Sean Fennessey?

  We'll see.

• 1:16:23Amanda Dobbins?

  We gotta watch something.

• 1:16:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, there's a bunch of movies that day. Send Help, the new film from Sam Raimi, comes out that day.

• 1:16:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Something for you, something for me.

• 1:16:31Sean Fennessey?

  That's true. That'll be an interesting episode. I think there's gonna be two Dumpuary episodes this year. A January Dumpuary and a February Dumpuary.

• 1:16:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Wonderful. Yeah, it's a Happy New Year.

• 1:16:40Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Uh, my number nine is also kind of a cheat. My number, my, my-

• 1:16:44Amanda Dobbins?

  It's not a cheat. I'm excited about The Moment. I'm excited about-

• 1:16:47Sean Fennessey?

  No, no, I mean, for, I mean, because I had another category. These are sort of like sidecars. They're not actually two films on the list, but number nine, I, I think is coming out this year and it's, um, it's October. And this is the new film from Jeremy Sonnier. Last seen, uh, making Rebel Ridge, arguably the greatest film in Netflix original film history. Awesome cast, horror action thriller that sounds like it's going to be, first of all, 824 has just not made as many horror movies in the last couple of years. Feels like Sonnier going back to his roots of like, the horror action of Blue Ruin and Green Room. And the cast of this movie is really good. Corey Michael Smith, who was in May/December and Saturday Night. Chase Suie Wonders, last seen on The Studio. Sophie Wild from Talk To Me.

• 1:17:33Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know much about this movie, but I love Sonnier, wrote and directed this movie. I'm pretty fired up for it. Now, as a bit of a sidecar for the movie, there's another 824 film that's kind of like an action movie that, I'm citing this one really more for CR.

• 1:17:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:17:48Sean Fennessey?

  So.

• 1:17:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you think he's listening right now?

• 1:17:51Sean Fennessey?

  I couldn't say.

• 1:17:51Amanda Dobbins?

  What if his resolution was to give up on the third chair and give up on us?

• 1:17:55Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I want him to be happy. That's all I really want for Chris, honestly.

• 1:17:59Amanda Dobbins?

  That's true.

• 1:18:00Sean Fennessey?

  What I want is for Chris.

• 1:18:00Amanda Dobbins?

  If you love them, set them free.

• 1:18:01Sean Fennessey?

  I really do want him to be happy, as much as I like potting with him. Enemies is the other film. Enemies is the new movie from Henry Dunham. Henry Dunham's only directed one other film. It's called Stand Off at Sparrow Creek. It was a big CR movie when it came out, pre-COVID, that starred James Badgedale. This new movie, it's a bit of a leveling up, produced by Ari Aster. It's also A24. The logline is, "A detective has a battle of wits in pursuit of a fugitive contract killer," and it stars Jeremy Allen White and Austin Butler, as well as Anna Sawai from Shogun.

• 1:18:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Sounds great.

• 1:18:34Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty exciting.

• 1:18:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm open.

• 1:18:37Sean Fennessey?

  This is like, I need A24 to get evil again.

• 1:18:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:18:41Sean Fennessey?

  They were very good at making deeply evil films and just like hard-bitten,

• 1:18:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:18:46Sean Fennessey?

  nasty, stylish movies.

• 1:18:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Evil movies with people you really like.

• 1:18:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:18:50Amanda Dobbins?

  My next one is not evil, but I think it's gonna be like really darkly fucked up.

• 1:18:56Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, what is it?

• 1:18:57Amanda Dobbins?

  With people I really like, which is Fjord, the new Christian Bon Jovi movie with Sebastian Stan and Renata Renzvi.

• 1:19:02Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I like this pick a lot.

• 1:19:04Amanda Dobbins?

  And this is, and as I understand it, it's, they move to a remote Norwegian town and then are ostracized by everyone they know, which we know Renata Renzvi is gonna be really good at.

• 1:19:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:19:15Amanda Dobbins?

  And.

• 1:19:16Sean Fennessey?

  No one does alienation like Renata Renzvi.

• 1:19:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and, and, and the Scandinavian peoples, I continue to try to understand their ways from afar and through their deeply weird films. But I just, Sebastian Stan and Renata Renzvi are like dynamite actors.

• 1:19:32Sean Fennessey?

  I'm really glad you picked this. I made a list of 10 international films that I'm excited about. This was right at the top because. Christian Munj's last film is called RMN. I had him on the show for the movie. I think it's one of the most underrated movies of the last 10 years.

• 1:19:46Amanda Dobbins?

  It was also a big Adam Neiman.

• 1:19:47Sean Fennessey?

  Big, yeah. Munj, really celebrated filmmaker, you know, made that devastating abortion drama, you know, 15, 20 years ago. But that movie is really, really strong. And this feels like it's almost like a spiritual sequel about kind of like alienation and immigration and Romanian culture. Sebastian Sand is Romanian. And so he saw, I think he sought out Munj to make a film with him. And so-

• 1:20:10Amanda Dobbins?

  And I do think that that is in the text of the film, that it's a Romanian husband, Norwegian wife, and they move back to her hometown and then things get weird.

• 1:20:19Sean Fennessey?

  Wonderful pick. This, this could be a Cannes film?

• 1:20:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I would assume so.

• 1:20:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it definitely feels like it could be, definitely a festival movie, but Neon Distributing, pretty exciting. If, if you like RMN or any of his movies, we had a great chat on the show. I think it was in 2022. I would encourage people to check that out. Okay, I like that pick a lot. My next one is, well, speaking of Cannes, Her Private Hell. Her Private Hell is the return of Nicholas Winding Refn to cinema.

• 1:20:48Amanda Dobbins?

  That's beautiful. Wow. We just, we just said goodbye to Chris, but we gotta-

• 1:20:53Sean Fennessey?

  He's back.

• 1:20:54Amanda Dobbins?

  We gotta bring him back.

• 1:20:55Sean Fennessey?

  CR is back.

• 1:20:57Amanda Dobbins?

  What was that show called?

• 1:21:00Sean Fennessey?

  There were two. There was one on Amazon-

• 1:21:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Cowboy Bebop? What was that?

• 1:21:05Sean Fennessey?

  You're thinking of Copenhagen Cowboy.

• 1:21:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:21:07Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Cowboy Bebop is an entirely different thing in the realm of anime, which they then made a live action adaptation of it on Netflix. And do you know who Bebop is in The Teenage Man Ninja Turtles?

• 1:21:18Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I never made it that far.

• 1:21:19Sean Fennessey?

  Do you know who Rocksteady is? Okay, we'll come back to that. So Copenhagen Cowboy, and then before that-

• 1:21:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I just wanted to say that that is the single most deranged episode of podcasting that the two of you have ever done that I've listened to. Yes. And I, and again, the weirder you are, the more I love you. But that was two men in like true psychosis. So in a way, I'm in-

• 1:21:43Sean Fennessey?

  I mainlined Copenhagen Cowboy. I watched like eight episodes in eight hours.

• 1:21:46Amanda Dobbins?

  You made that incredibly clear.

• 1:21:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I, Chris and I love Nicholas Winding Refn. We always have. You know, we saw Drive together, I think. And we are the world's staunchest defenders of Only God Forgives, which is just the most humorless insane film ever made. And I've just been dying for this guy to stop making fucking streaming TV shows. Too Old to Die Young is the other TV show that he made.

• 1:22:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Ah, sure. I also remember that.

• 1:22:09Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't like that one as much. That also had Miles Teller in it. Her Private Hell is, here's the logline, "An edgy hypnotic and unhinged thriller based on an original story that features lots of glitter, sex, and violence."

• 1:22:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, cool.

• 1:22:23Sean Fennessey?

  That sounds awesome. Sophie Thatcher, Havana Rose Lou, Doug Ray Scott, Christine Froseth, and Charles Melton.

• 1:22:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:22:31Sean Fennessey?

  And Diego Calva from Babylon. So, pretty exciting.

• 1:22:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm excited. For you guys, I'm excited to observe whatever happens in your film-going experience.

• 1:22:41Sean Fennessey?

  Just boys being boys, you know? Just boys being boys checking out the cinema of Nicholas Winning Refn. Okay, what's number seven for you?

• 1:22:47Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, it's Narnia. It is.

• 1:22:55Amanda Dobbins?

  If you're not watching, I just slumped in my seat.

• 1:22:59Sean Fennessey?

  Come on!

• 1:23:00Amanda Dobbins?

  So, I know, I did it, okay? I did, I listened.

• 1:23:03Sean Fennessey?

  Come on, it could be good. It could be great.

• 1:23:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Narnia the Magician's Nephew.

• 1:23:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Which I learned is the full title. That is not the title. I learned this yesterday! That can't be real. Narnia the Magician's Nephew.

• 1:23:18Sean Fennessey?

  Narnia, the podiatrist's uncle.

• 1:23:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Is an upcoming epic high fantasy film written and directed by my beloved Greta Gerwig. Listen, if I'm gonna go where Kiki goes, I go where Greta goes, okay?

• 1:23:30Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:23:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Even if it's to Narnia.

• 1:23:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:23:33Amanda Dobbins?

  To meet the magician's nephew, which is also the plot of The Nutcracker.

• 1:23:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:23:38Amanda Dobbins?

  But that's okay.

• 1:23:39Sean Fennessey?

  Narnia, the pool cleaner's third cousin.

• 1:23:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Carey Mulligan is in this movie?

• 1:23:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Emma Mackey? Redeemed, I hope? Daniel Craig? I don't know. Listen, if it's what Greta wants, then it's what Greta wants, then it's what I want.

• 1:23:55Sean Fennessey?

  So, I've been reading The Wizard of Oz at home with Alice, the, like, the novel, and it's been a really great experience.

• 1:24:03Amanda Dobbins?

  The shoes are silver in that book. Many people let me know after the Wicked episode.

• 1:24:07Sean Fennessey?

  I've now learned that, having read the novel. I'm sure I read it as a kid, but I did not remember that.

• 1:24:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't know. Thank you to everyone who politely explained that to us. They were mostly polite.

• 1:24:15Sean Fennessey?

  Reading the novel's been very exciting. Obviously, it's fun to read a proper book with your kids. Not a picture book after reading four and a half years of picture books.

• 1:24:25Sean Fennessey?

  We did try Harry Potter and we tried The Chronicles of Narnia. We tried The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe. And none of those books hit.

• 1:24:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:24:35Sean Fennessey?

  Oz is hitting, I think, because there's an awareness of source material, but I want to circle back to Narnia.

• 1:24:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I read them when I was a child and I think I liked them.

• 1:24:42Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:24:44Amanda Dobbins?

  This isn't like a Tolkien thing for me where I'm just, you know, Middle Earth blind. I'm getting excited. Music by Mark Ronson?

• 1:24:53Sean Fennessey?

  Really? Is this gonna be like a funky Narnia?

• 1:24:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. Mark Ronson contains multitudes.

• 1:24:59Sean Fennessey?

  What if it's like really kooky? You know, what if it's just like really out of control? It's Boogie Nights Narnia.

• 1:25:06Sean Fennessey?

  The magician's nephew's got a lot of problems. He's really hung up on a lot of shit.

• 1:25:10Amanda Dobbins?

  It's based on a novel called The Magicians, which is the sixth novel. I'm reading, clicking through now, Portal Fantasy Novel by C.S. Lewis. It's a prequel. The middle third of the novel features the creation of the Narnia world by Aslan the Lion. Okay, so I see why you're starting there.

• 1:25:27Sean Fennessey?

  Very cool.

• 1:25:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen.

• 1:25:29Sean Fennessey?

  Shout out to Aslan the Lion. Is Daniel Craig playing the lion? He is, right?

• 1:25:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I think so.

• 1:25:35Sean Fennessey?

  Is he doing it in the Benoit Blanc voice?

• 1:25:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I would enjoy that.

• 1:25:38Sean Fennessey?

  I do declare, I am Aslan. Okay, my number, are we on seven? We're on seven. My number seven is Teenage Sex and Death at Camp Miasma, which is the new film from Jane Schonbrun,

• 1:25:51Sean Fennessey?

  that is clearly their riff on a hardcore camp slasher, à la Sleepaway Camp.

• 1:25:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:58Sean Fennessey?

  Historically a very transgressive space. Schonbrun's first two films are fascinating in the way that they kind of like deconstruct our expectations of movies. We're all going to the World's Fair and I saw the TV Glow from 2024, which I loved. And this one features Hanna Einbinder and Gillian Anderson.

• 1:26:16Sean Fennessey?

  Been anticipating this for a while. Jane talked about the movie a little bit when they were on the show back around I Saw the TV Glow time. I didn't, I didn't have, I could have put a lot more horror on this list, but I put two back to back here. I guess maybe Her Private Hell in October are also horror, but this is like, this is the, the refuge of the auteur right now. They're like, there's the Nolans of the world, right? The Villeneves of the world, there's the Spielberg's of the world, the major, major filmmakers. And then everybody below them is like, what's my horror movie? Cause if I can, I can get that made.

• 1:26:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly.

• 1:26:51Sean Fennessey?

  And this is a slightly lower scale than the next one I'll talk about, but I'm very excited about it.

• 1:26:56Amanda Dobbins?

  High fantasy adaptation of The Magician's Nephew.

• 1:26:59Sean Fennessey?

  Damn, I can't believe that magician had a nephew. That's fucking wild. Okay, what's number six for you?

• 1:27:05Amanda Dobbins?

  The nephew who created, whatever, we'll find out.

• 1:27:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Another from your international list.

• 1:27:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:27:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Possible Love, which is Lee Chang Dong's first movie since, or since Burning. I'll read the log line. The story centers on two couples whose vastly different lifestyles create unexpected intersections, leading to disruptions in their seemingly stable routines. So love quadrangle in a weird way, which follows up on Burning being a love triangle of uncomfortable things. I'm excited.

• 1:27:35Sean Fennessey?

  I am too. Lee Chang Dong has not made a film in a long ass time, man. Seven, eight, it'll be eight years and he doesn't, he doesn't, he's not, you know, I think it was eight years between Burning and Poetry. So this will be a world cinema event, this new film. I remember very vividly, did Burning, it didn't, did it premiere at Cannes, Burning? I saw it at the New York Film Festival, at the, at the premiere at the New York Film Festival. And it was electric. It was a great screening. Pretty excited about this one.

• 1:28:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, this is exciting.

• 1:28:06Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, what's next for me? Number six is Resident Evil.

• 1:28:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but good.

• 1:28:16Sean Fennessey?

  I don't really know anything about Resident Evil. I've never, I've never played it. It's a video game.

• 1:28:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Jack?

• 1:28:20Sean Fennessey?

  Long running video game series.

• 1:28:21Amanda Dobbins?

  One sentence, Resident Evil.

• 1:28:23Sean Fennessey?

  I played it one time when I was nine, remember nothing.

• 1:28:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, were you the resident or the evil?

• 1:28:27Sean Fennessey?

  The resident.

• 1:28:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:28:28Sean Fennessey?

  It's a, it's a zombie apocalypse movie.

• 1:28:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 1:28:31Sean Fennessey?

  About a young woman trying to survive and she has to kill a lot of zombies.

• 1:28:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Is her name Alice?

• 1:28:38Sean Fennessey?

  Not sure.

• 1:28:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:28:39Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I think that Craigor, who loves this video game, Zach Craigor is the writer and director of this movie. I'm telling the audience.

• 1:28:48Sean Fennessey?

  He's a big fan of the games. We talked about it a little bit in August when he was on the show.

• 1:28:54Sean Fennessey?

  In another director's hands, and this movie has been in the hands of Paul W. S. Anderson for many, many years. I probably wouldn't care very much. I think the Resident Evil movies are perfectly fine and totally forgettable. I'm so interested to see if he can do something special with IP. It's very rare.

• 1:29:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm. I mean, we just had this conversation about The Magician's Nephew.

• 1:29:15Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. Empowering auteurs with powerful IP is dicey. Because studios, there's more on the line for them with those movies. And so usually they want more control.

• 1:29:29Sean Fennessey?

  Seems like Craigor's gonna get to do whatever he wants, which is fascinating, and maybe Resident Evil is just like, it's just the handle on the door. You know, it's just the punch code. And then, once you get in, he'll be able to make his own world as much as he wants. But we'll see. I'm very, this is one where I don't really know what to expect, and so I'm excited about that.

• 1:29:45Speaker 02

  I loved how candid he was with you on the weapons conversation, because you, pretty subtly, were like, "I'm a little bummed out your next movie's IP." And he was like, "I totally understand you, but here's why it's not gonna be anything like that. And maybe I'm just in the bag for him, where I choose to believe him."

• 1:29:58Sean Fennessey?

  I hope so. I'm obviously in the bag for him as well. This could be Horror Movie Event of the Year. We'll see. All right, number five for you.

• 1:30:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I think this is happening this year. It's, production started at the end of last year. Behemoth, exclamation point. Written and directed by Tony Gilroy.

• 1:30:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:30:18Amanda Dobbins?

  I've just, Tony Gilroy doing original films, I, I trust I will go every single time. I don't know much about this. It's apparently about a cellist.

• 1:30:29Amanda Dobbins?

  It stars Pedro Pascal, David Harbour, Eva Victor, and Olivia Wilde.

• 1:30:34Amanda Dobbins?

  You know.

• 1:30:35Sean Fennessey?

  Searchlight.

• 1:30:36Amanda Dobbins?

  We've, we've said many times that duplicity is just if they could just redo it, everything the same again. I think it would turn out like transcendentally.

• 1:30:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:30:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I really believe in Tony Gilroy. I'm, I like that he's writing and making movies again. I, did you catch up on Andor season two?

• 1:30:55Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you for asking.

• 1:30:58Sean Fennessey?

  I almost got to the end of break without doing it.

• 1:31:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:02Sean Fennessey?

  Cause it was very busy, as, as you know, and there was not a lot of free time to watch TV because I can't watch this with Eileen. But two nights ago.

• 1:31:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:31:14Sean Fennessey?

  I had an open night, three nights ago now, I had an open night and I watched the recap of season one, which was all the way back in 2022, I think.

• 1:31:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Sounds right.

• 1:31:24Sean Fennessey?

  And it was a 14 minute recap and I watched it and I was like, I have to start watching this right now because I got chills from the first season recap. And then I watched six episodes in two days. So I'm halfway through the second season, which has been exceptional, not life altering in the way that I was promised, but I realize I now have the second half of the season to watch.

• 1:31:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:44Sean Fennessey?

  Obviously he is, he is, he is a god.

• 1:31:47Amanda Dobbins?

  He's the man.

• 1:31:47Sean Fennessey?

  He is the greatest.

• 1:31:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:48Sean Fennessey?

  So I, I am very excited about this, only his fourth feature film and one of those movies is The Bourne Legacy.

• 1:31:55Sean Fennessey?

  Which is a good movie, but yeah, I'm really excited about this as well. It was originally going to be Oscar Isaac, he dropped out, now Pedro Pascal.

• 1:32:04Amanda Dobbins?

  It feels a little bit like who can you get to get the movie going, but that's okay.

• 1:32:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Well, Pedro Pascal, he can get movies made. I like that pick a lot. Okay, my number five is Paper Tiger.

• 1:32:16Sean Fennessey?

  Paper Tiger is the new film from my buddy, James Gray, who is not represented on 25 for 25, have some regrets about that. Two lovers.

• 1:32:24Amanda Dobbins?

  As you know, I'm a huge Two Lovers fan.

• 1:32:26Sean Fennessey?

  That's the last great Gwyneth performance.

• 1:32:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Until, to now.

• 1:32:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:30Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know if that's totally fair, but it is.

• 1:32:32Sean Fennessey?

  Which Pepper Potts part do you like?

• 1:32:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, listen, I, at some point we have to put the press tours up. She taught Timothy Chalamet about Bonnie Raitt, okay?

• 1:32:39Sean Fennessey?

  Paper Tiger is a kind of back to James Gray's roots. Two brothers pursue the American dream, but get entangled in a dangerous Russian mafia scheme that terrorizes their family, testing their bond as betrayal becomes possible. Adam Driver, Scarlett Johansson, Miles Teller. If you haven't seen Little Odessa, James' first movie, that sounds pretty similar. And it feels like him really returning to something that he is very comfortable with. So really excited about that. I mean, Driver and Scar Joe.

• 1:33:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, this is, we've entered like the sharing, the.

• 1:33:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, we'll both be very excited for this film.

• 1:33:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Would have been on my list.

• 1:33:14Sean Fennessey?

  And this also.

• 1:33:15Amanda Dobbins?

  And Miles Keller.

• 1:33:17Sean Fennessey?

  Or Telluride?

• 1:33:19Amanda Dobbins?

  He likes Cannes, right?

• 1:33:21Sean Fennessey?

  Well, the French love them.

• 1:33:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I would do Cannes, I hope for Cannes.

• 1:33:24Sean Fennessey?

  I still don't know if it's done. I haven't spoken to him, I don't know. Okay, number four for you.

• 1:33:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Number four, the drama. Christopher Borgli, Robert Pattinson, Zendaya, The Boston Globe, fake announcement of their engagement. I'm ready. I guess.

• 1:33:41Sean Fennessey?

  Did you like the trailer?

• 1:33:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I did.

• 1:33:43Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:33:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:44Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:33:45Amanda Dobbins?

  As you know, I think the weddings are preposterous and they make me feel similarly. So, you know, I don't know what's going on there. I realize now I'm just, I'm talking about, I've picked a lot of movies where just things are going very wrong in

• 1:34:02Amanda Dobbins?

  the domestic life emotionally. Which is not a reflection.

• 1:34:06Sean Fennessey?

  Sure.

• 1:34:07Amanda Dobbins?

  It's just, it's been a long few weeks.

• 1:34:08Sean Fennessey?

  Your favorite movies of the year were Die My Love and If I Had Legs I'd Kick You. Everything's fine. I'm fine.

• 1:34:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm great. I get to go to Narnia.

• 1:34:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I think it looks great. I also just, I love Zendaya. But Robert Pattinson is maybe my number two movie star. I'm here for it.

• 1:34:30Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, interesting.

• 1:34:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I think he's so good.

• 1:34:33Sean Fennessey?

  He's really been doing a, his part selection is exceptional. I have seen the drama. I can't really say anything about it, but I'm looking forward to discussing it with you on this show. My next pick is Jack of Spades. Here's what Jack of Spades is.

• 1:34:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:34:50Sean Fennessey?

  I hope this movie's coming out this year. I think it is. It's a new film from Joel Coen, written and directed by Joel Coen. Coen Brothers are still not back together. This is a Gothic mystery starring Josh O'Connor.

• 1:35:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm open.

• 1:35:07Sean Fennessey?

  This won't be the last time Joshua Connor's name comes up in this episode.

• 1:35:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:11Sean Fennessey?

  But Frances McDormand, Leslie Mannville, and Damian Lewis are also in this movie. I don't know if this movie, I don't know if it's a period piece. It was shot in Scotland. So I'm wondering, is it contemporary or is it more of like a Sherlock Holmes thing? Or more of like an The Innocence style, like haunted film? I don't really know what to expect. Edgar Allan Poe, is that an influence? I don't know. I'm super excited. I liked The Tragedy of Macbeth, didn't love. Had some, had some reservations about it. This brings back that whole crew, Carter Burwell doing the music, Bruno Del Banel shooting the film.

• 1:35:42Sean Fennessey?

  You know, Frances McDormand in a Coen Brothers film. Fingers crossed. I think it was, I think it finished filming in December. So in all likelihood, it will be this year. And that also, what, what festival is that? New York, maybe?

• 1:35:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe.

• 1:36:00Sean Fennessey?

  Could be.

• 1:36:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Or maybe it just skips festivals. I don't think Macbeth is at a festival.

• 1:36:04Sean Fennessey?

  Right, it was, it was close to the end of the year.

• 1:36:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:06Sean Fennessey?

  Very close to the end of the year. Okay, number three for you.

• 1:36:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Artificial. Which is the, the real social reckoning. So, uh, my boy Luca is back.

• 1:36:16Sean Fennessey?

  Licking his wounds.

• 1:36:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I'll always be with him. Uh, this is of course Luca Guadagnino. I enjoyed the first 90 minutes of After the Hunt. I think I'm the only person in, in, on this planet, but that's okay. And, and then it really went off a cliff. This one is written by Simon Rich and it's the Sam Altman movie.

• 1:36:35Sean Fennessey?

  Simon Rich is writing this?

• 1:36:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:36Sean Fennessey?

  That's fascinating. Okay, cool.

• 1:36:38Amanda Dobbins?

  It's the Sam Altman movie. Uh, it also, I will read you the rest of the cast. Um, so Andrew Garfield is playing Sam Altman and he's wearing fleece vests. The, the set photos just of his costuming, um, which I believe Jonathan Anderson was involved in. Is amazing.

• 1:36:53Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:36:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Monica Babaro, Yura Borisov, Ike Barinholtz, Cooper Hoffman, Jason Schwartzman, Billy Lord, Sasha Mamet, Chris O'Dowd.

• 1:37:01Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty good.

• 1:37:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm ready. This, I mean, it could go very wrong, but I believe that it can go very right.

• 1:37:07Sean Fennessey?

  So I want to share with you a couple of things.

• 1:37:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:09Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I did watch two editions of Actors on Actors last night.

• 1:37:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:37:14Sean Fennessey?

  The first one I watched was Leonardo DiCaprio and Jennifer Lawrence in full, which you shared the meme recently about how that is an adequate reflection of our podcast, which I agree with. Um, generally a great conversation. I've rarely seen Leo so unguarded and so personal.

• 1:37:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, though there's also, it is an interesting dynamic. Like, he's...

• 1:37:32Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely. Well, he's trying to, you know, stay tight, you know? Keep, keep not share.

• 1:37:37Amanda Dobbins?

  And she will not give up.

• 1:37:38Sean Fennessey?

  Jennifer Lawrence is a wonderful interviewer. I thought she really got a lot of great stuff out of him. Um, I've really turned around on her. She's really cool. She's really interesting. Um, but she asked really good questions and, um, that was a great watch. Like, it was 30 minutes of interview that I really enjoyed.

• 1:37:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Also launched a thousand memes.

• 1:37:54Sean Fennessey?

  It did.

• 1:37:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Loved it.

• 1:37:56Sean Fennessey?

  And then I immediately watched Sean Penn and Julia Roberts after that.

• 1:37:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 1:37:59Sean Fennessey?

  And it was really fascinating. Did you watch this one?

• 1:38:01Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:38:02Sean Fennessey?

  Sean Penn leaned forward, like this close to Julia Roberts the entire time. And he seemed like simultaneously very comfortable and very uncomfortable. And he was very eloquent about the process of working on One Battle. And he, the questions that he asked Julia Roberts about After the Hunt were fascinating because he was often like, "Well, as you know, I have a lot of strong opinions about this world." Which was like, he wasn't like, "I love this film." You know, he was like, "I've got a lot of thoughts about academia and the woke mob." Anyway, um, you know, Julia was great and insightful, as always. But she talked about her relationship with Luca. And she was like, "I very rarely have an ongoing dialogue during the making of a movie with a filmmaker like I did with Luca."

• 1:38:45Sean Fennessey?

  She's like, "I'm very close friends with a lot of filmmakers that I've worked with multiple times outside of the movies." But during the making of a movie, and she told some story about being at a table in her home, being at her kitchen table with Luca, the screenwriter, Andrew Garfield, I.O. Debré, um, and her talking the movie out. And she was like, "You know you're really with, um..." Comfortable artists, sophisticated artists, when you can have a strong opinion about something and not feel like you have to jockey for position, which I thought was interesting.

• 1:39:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:15Sean Fennessey?

  The movie, I think, is really unsuccessful, but she's excellent in that movie, as we said. I think that's really one of her best performances in some time. And so I'm not like evacuating all the Lucas stock or anything. It is interesting, though, to go from like hot button topic after the hunt to hot button topic, AI and the development of artificial intelligence and, you know, the quagmire of technology for him. I'm very interested in this movie, too. I'm really, I knew you would pick it.

• 1:39:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:43Sean Fennessey?

  But it's such a coin flip movie to me.

• 1:39:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Totally. But if it goes well, it could be amazing. You know what? And I go to the cinema to experience magic, just like Nicole Kidman taught me. My heart's open, so.

• 1:39:56Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I'm happy to hear that. I hope I'll be able to go to the cinema to see my number three, which is The Adventures of Cliff Booth. This is the new film from David Fincher, directed by David Fincher, written by Quentin Tarantino. It is a sort of quasi-sequel to Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, which I talked about earlier in this episode.

• 1:40:15Sean Fennessey?

  This should be number one.

• 1:40:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:40:17Sean Fennessey?

  Given my predilections. And yet, I feel like I just, I don't, I need this to be a real movie.

• 1:40:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, it is, it's, it's on a different level than My Devil Wears Prada 2, Sense and Sensibility, Social Reckoning type thing, but it is all of the things and people you love reheating something.

• 1:40:39Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:40:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Hopefully at a very high level, and I believe that it will be, but you're like, do I, do I want, can it be as good? I feel slightly, I don't know if you feel anxious about it. I don't feel anxious about it, and I don't think it will have any effect on how we feel about one battle after another, but it is a little like, okay, you guys are just doing this?

• 1:41:01Sean Fennessey?

  Well, I, I remember very vividly talking with you. After Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and feeling like this is a very mature movie for Quentin. That there seems to be that like ironic detachment or that kind of reliance on genre exercise that he, you know, made one of his calling cards over the years, that he kind of dispensed with it to some extent in that movie and that he, it's a very emotional movie.

• 1:41:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:27Sean Fennessey?

  And very effective because of that. And for, I think a lot of the Cliff Booth stuff, the sort of like The Lonely Life in the trailer with Brandy and like, he seems happy, but also there's something missing and a lot of the conversation in the latter half of the film about the relationship between him and Rick and, you know, not a brother, you know, but something closer than a wife, like all that stuff is very, a lot deeper, I would say, honestly. And so, but if you read the novelization of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood and you read about like, uh, the Cliff Booth character, like it's a little bit sillier, a little bit more fun, more freewheeling. So the idea of this movie being like less serious, but in Fincher's hands. I'm, I'm just speculating. It just feels a little unusual and it's, and it's Netflix.

• 1:42:11Sean Fennessey?

  It's Netflix and there's just, it's just gonna feel different, you know, it's just, I don't.

• 1:42:15Amanda Dobbins?

  You're right.

• 1:42:16Sean Fennessey?

  It could be great. I hope it's amazing. I, I'm desperate for this movie to be good. And if it is good, it will power July on this podcast. The Odyssey and this movie coming at the same time.

• 1:42:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it the same weekend?

• 1:42:27Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know what the release date is on this. I do believe it's gonna be a July movie though. Could be wrong. It could be fall, but it feels like a July movie, right?

• 1:42:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, One Battle was, I mean, not One Battle, excuse me, Once Upon a Time.

• 1:42:37Sean Fennessey?

  Exactly.

• 1:42:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:38Sean Fennessey?

  Um, okay. Number two for you.

• 1:42:40Amanda Dobbins?

  What did I put on this? Number two. Oh yeah, sure. Project Hail Mary. That's great. Just, just take me to space, Ryan Gosling.

• 1:42:46Sean Fennessey?

  Coming soon.

• 1:42:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I'm really excited. I, I, I, I'm optimistic. I have seen the trailer now 45,000 times and it doesn't feel as magical as the first one.

• 1:42:56Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Are you going to CinemaCon this year?

• 1:42:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I haven't, I haven't filled out my thing yet. Um, it's, whatever.

• 1:43:06Sean Fennessey?

  Matt and I can podcast alone.

• 1:43:10Amanda Dobbins?

  But so I'm excited. I like a big budget spectacle. I like a space movie. I mean, even if it is reheating The Martian, because it is another big budget movie adapted from an Andy Weir novel in which a man goes alone to space and then finds some, saves himself and everyone else.

• 1:43:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Some writers have themes that they like to return to.

• 1:43:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I think that seems great. So I, if it is The Martian reheated, then I'll have a great time.

• 1:43:40Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. I'm excited about this. It's coming soon.

• 1:43:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I know.

• 1:43:43Sean Fennessey?

  In a couple of months. My number two is Dune Part Three.

• 1:43:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Also excited.

• 1:43:49Sean Fennessey?

  Dune Part Three slated to come out the same weekend as Avengers Doomsday.

• 1:43:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, who's gonna stand down?

• 1:43:56Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, one assumes Dune Part Three. You assume it's coming in November, right? Wasn't, wasn't part two in November? God, I feel like they're gonna be like, announce that, well, we're feeling really good about where we're at, so we're bumping it up to Thanksgiving weekend, or even sooner than that.

• 1:44:12Amanda Dobbins?

  It was March 2024.

• 1:44:14Sean Fennessey?

  What about Dune Part One? Was that in the fall?

• 1:44:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh.

• 1:44:17Sean Fennessey?

  That was in October, I think.

• 1:44:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that makes sense.

• 1:44:19Sean Fennessey?

  Because I saw it before Telly read that here. I, I'm, I'm, I'm really excited about this.

• 1:44:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I am too.

• 1:44:30Sean Fennessey?

  Dune, Dune One and Two, the very rare spectacle event IP movie that like, pretty much lived up to my expectations and were among my favorite movies of those years when they came out. They're, they are actually in that, not quite at that Lord of the Rings level, but pretty close. And this is, this is the last Bill Nieuw movie before he goes into Bondland. So.

• 1:44:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Where are you on spoilers right now?

• 1:44:54Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know anything.

• 1:44:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:44:56Sean Fennessey?

  And I would venture to guess that you don't know anything either, because I think they're not doing exactly the adaptation.

• 1:45:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I do also admit that I've forgotten most of what I read. So I think Florence Pugh will be a bigger part of it, I hope.

• 1:45:10Sean Fennessey?

  God bless.

• 1:45:11Amanda Dobbins?

  That's, that's great news. I'm excited for this too. I would have put it on my list, but you put it on your list. Yeah.

• 1:45:17Sean Fennessey?

  Pattinson getting added to the mix here, crazy. This already has every cool and interesting young actor in Hollywood. Okay, number one for you. What is it?

• 1:45:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Is the movie that has every old, interesting actor in Hollywood and some new, and some young new ones. It's The Odyssey, directed by Christopher Nolan.

• 1:45:33Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Let's do it. Let's have every movie star in one film together. I've honestly been feeling, Robert Pattinson is not in The Odyssey, right?

• 1:45:42Sean Fennessey?

  No, I think he is.

• 1:45:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, he is? Oh, good. Okay, I was nervous that he wasn't. You can't keep track anymore.

• 1:45:47Sean Fennessey?

  Isn't he?

• 1:45:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know, but I was like, oh, he did Tenet, and then you just couldn't get back in? And then that's, oh, he is. He's Anton, Anton, okay, Antonus. I'm really gonna have to work on my pronunciations. Um, well, good. That makes me feel better, because I was feeling bad for him, but that's great. Robert Pattinson will be on the train, Matt Damon, Tom Holland, Anne Hathaway, Lupita, Zendaya, Charlize, Jon Bernthal, Benny Safdie, John Leguizamo, Humeesh Patel, Mia Goth, like, great, yes. And then Homer, you know, undefeated these 3,000 years.

• 1:46:21Sean Fennessey?

  I got a couple of things I want to throw at you really, really quick. One, did a little vacation planning with Eileen yesterday.

• 1:46:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:46:26Sean Fennessey?

  Um, was like, January, or July 14th through the 24th is a no-go. We're not going anywhere. We got a movie event of the year, The Odyssey, no question about it.

• 1:46:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:46:37Sean Fennessey?

  Um, two, did you know that Jon Bernthal and Evan Moss-Bacherak are doing Dog Day Afternoon on Broadway in March?

• 1:46:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I did, but I had forgotten, but how do I get there?

• 1:46:48Sean Fennessey?

  I discovered this yesterday, and I just sent it to CR immediately, and I was like, dog, what the fuck? We have to go to this.

• 1:46:54Amanda Dobbins?

  And is...

• 1:46:56Sean Fennessey?

  I don't know who's playing it.

• 1:46:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:57Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not sure.

• 1:46:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, what would you think?

• 1:46:59Sean Fennessey?

  I would imagine Bernthal would be Pacino.

• 1:47:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Really?

• 1:47:02Sean Fennessey?

  And Evan Moss-Bacherak would be in the gazelle part.

• 1:47:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I guess that's true. That makes, that makes the most sense.

• 1:47:07Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I think it's an original adaptation of the screenplay.

• 1:47:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:47:11Sean Fennessey?

  So, that's fascinating. And then the other thing I wanted to cite to you is, what a crazy year for Pattinson coming up. This is like Josh O'Connor on steroids right now. So, you mentioned the drama in The Odyssey and Dune Part III already. We've got all three of those on there. I mentioned Primetime as well, which I think is this year, it could be next year. And then he's got another movie that I almost put on my list that I'm very excited about called Here Comes the Flood, which is also a Netflix original directed by Fernando Morales, starring Denzel Washington and Robert Pattinson, Daisy Edgar Jones. Logline, "A bank guard, a teller, and a master thief get caught in a deadly game of cons and double crosses."

• 1:47:50Amanda Dobbins?

  What?

• 1:47:52Sean Fennessey?

  Come on. Let's go.

• 1:47:56Amanda Dobbins?

  So that is exciting to you, but Matt Damon and Ben Affleck in a deadly game of cons and double crosses in Miami. Okay.

• 1:48:04Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, look, the rip might rip. We don't know. We don't know. The Odyssey.

• 1:48:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Remember the James Cameron quotes that like the time to love this movie is right now? What we what we did together is right now?

• 1:48:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, just we'll remember what you said about.

• 1:48:20Sean Fennessey?

  Is that why you speak to your husband?

• 1:48:24Sean Fennessey?

  My number one is Disclosure Day.

• 1:48:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:48:26Sean Fennessey?

  Which I I was very, I don't know if I would have put this at number one if I had not seen the trailer, but the trailer got me very, very excited. I think it was interesting that they launched that trailer in December, too, and that they're giving this the six month runway and that Universal wants the new Steven Spielberg Alien Invasion, maybe drama to be a big event. And this is, this is what it's all about, man. This is what it's big blockbusters from visionaries at scale with great actors. Joshua Connor back could not be more excited for this movie. I hope it's great. I would imagine it's the last major Steven Spielberg movie. Could be wrong. Scorsese still pushing it.

• 1:49:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I was gonna say.

• 1:49:02Sean Fennessey?

  I know.

• 1:49:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Everybody, you know, modern medicine and and with respect boomers are really changing our understanding of retirement age.

• 1:49:12Sean Fennessey?

  They are, you know.

• 1:49:15Sean Fennessey?

  He's gonna be 80 this year, Spielberg, and, you know, $200 million, I don't know what the budget is, whatever, hundreds of millions of dollars, blockbusters, harder to mount the older you get. But I'm fired up for this. David Koep wrote the screenplay, also a coin flip. Could be great. Could be not great. Cast of the movie, also Colin Firth, Coleman Domingo, Eve Hewson, Wyatt Russell and Emily Blunt.

• 1:49:41Sean Fennessey?

  I have a million honorable mentions.

• 1:49:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, you do. You have so many honorable mentions that I was like, okay, well, you can just have them.

• 1:49:48Sean Fennessey?

  As honorable mentions?

• 1:49:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:49:50Sean Fennessey?

  You grabbed a couple. You grabbed a couple from the 10 international features to highlight,

• 1:49:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, it did.

• 1:49:55Sean Fennessey?

  Both of which I think were great picks. You picked fjord and possible love. I've got Hope on here, which is Na Hong Jin's first film, I think since The Wailing?

• 1:50:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:50:05Sean Fennessey?

  Which is a legendary Korean ghost story that is a great movie. And the logline for Hope is really, really cool. I don't want to spoil that for anybody. I think that's coming out this year. Pavel Pavlikowski's first movie in like 10 years? Since?

• 1:50:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Cold War?

• 1:50:18Sean Fennessey?

  Since Cold War. 1949? It's coming out this year. Definitely a festival movie. Out of This World, the new feature from Albert Sarah. We never talked about Afternoons of Solitude because I assume you didn't see it?

• 1:50:29Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:50:29Sean Fennessey?

  Which is the documentary he made about a bullfighter? Which is just wild.

• 1:50:33Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but I've had you recreate it for me and also Tyler Parker recreate it.

• 1:50:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I know Tyler loved it.

• 1:50:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Tyler really, really loves it.

• 1:50:42Sean Fennessey?

  Great film. I think Passive Fiction was his last feature film, which is also really good.

• 1:50:48Sean Fennessey?

  Ricegahamaguchi, new movie? All of a sudden? I think it's coming out. I think it's coming out. New Asgar Farhadi movie, Parallel Tales. Lucas Daunt, who last made Closer, has a new movie called Coward. Konstantin Balagov has Butterfly Jam. And then Corieta has two movies coming out this year. Sheep in the Box and Look Back. So, super excited for all those. I'm not quite sure what our

• 1:51:12Sean Fennessey?

  what our festival plan is this year.

• 1:51:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, we gotta discuss.

• 1:51:15Sean Fennessey?

  We do. We do. Is it the year to mix it up?

• 1:51:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you mean, is it the year to go to France? Because I think the answer is yes. Because, you know, Kirsten Dunst will be there.

• 1:51:27Sean Fennessey?

  Could be.

• 1:51:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I've also been arranging most of my travel around the idea that I would be in France in May, so.

• 1:51:35Sean Fennessey?

  How will I do a live stream 24-hour pod with Knox about the Mandalorian and Grogu if I'm in France?

• 1:51:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, it could debut there.

• 1:51:43Sean Fennessey?

  It's possible. So, he's coming?

• 1:51:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:51:45Sean Fennessey?

  Is he coming to the premiere?

• 1:51:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I think he would like to see France. Um, he would be okay on the flight. Si is never flying again.

• 1:51:54Amanda Dobbins?

  With love and respect to my small child. He is grounded for eternity. Uh, well, I also, you know, FaceTime, you know, can I just start FaceTiming you anytime he has a question about Star Wars?

• 1:52:05Sean Fennessey?

  It's called send a voicemail.

• 1:52:09Sean Fennessey?

  Here's the horror wave for 2026. A lot of horror movies. Robert Eggers is Werewolf.

• 1:52:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I was surprised this wasn't on the.

• 1:52:18Sean Fennessey?

  Right on the outskirts of honorable mention. Um, as you know, after our last conversation, I think Rob hates me now. So he's really sick of me asking about thematic intent in his adaptations of ancient horror movies.

• 1:52:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Or does he hate podcasting?

• 1:52:30Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think he likes podcasting very much. I've really enjoyed talking with him over the years. I think I'm gonna not ask him back regardless of how I feel about the movie, just to spare him. Um, but yeah, he's, he's making a werewolf movie. And bringing back most of the cast from Nosferatu for that film, which was Nosferatu, a huge hit for him. Uh, I cited recently Obsession by Currie Barker, which played at festivals in the fall and Focus picked up, which is thought to be great. Psycho Killer, Gavin Pallone's movie, is coming out this spring. Send Help, I mentioned, Sam Raimi's movie, Scream 7. Scary Movie 6. Have you seen any Scary Movie movies?

• 1:53:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I saw the original one with Anna Faris.

• 1:53:09Sean Fennessey?

  Did you like it?

• 1:53:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, sure.

• 1:53:12Sean Fennessey?

  Evil Dead Burn, which is, I think, the sixth Evil Dead film. Could be good. Other Mommy?

• 1:53:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, well, I was disappointed that this was a horror movie and not just like a movie about life.

• 1:53:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, yeah. Who's Coming in to Save You? Other Mommy is a horror movie starring Jessica Chastain, directed by Rob Savage, who directed Host, which was a big hit during COVID. Ready or Not 2 coming soon. A new, uh, version of The Mummy coming soon.

• 1:53:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:42Sean Fennessey?

  There's two 824 movies. Undertone, which I've already seen, which is a very cool, very super small budget horror movie that I think is playing at Sundance. And then Backrooms, which is the Cane Parsons Creepypasta adaptation. Hocum, really good teaser for this movie, which came out of nowhere. Damien McCarthy, who made, um, A couple of really good shudder streaming films over the last couple of years. Irish filmmaker. This new movie had Adam Scott in the teaser. Looked pretty scary. Neon's releasing that. Victorian Psycho, AKA Amanda Dobbins.

• 1:54:14Sean Fennessey?

  I think Terrifier.

• 1:54:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm not really a Victorian.

• 1:54:16Sean Fennessey?

  Or is it Beethan Psycho?

• 1:54:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:54:17Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Terrifier 4.

• 1:54:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:54:20Sean Fennessey?

  Now is the time to get on board.

• 1:54:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, right. Terrifier 3 was like a, you know, reinvention of the form, but also just like the greatest cinema. I listened to a podcast about it.

• 1:54:30Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, no. Neither of those things are true and you misunderstood.

• 1:54:33Speaker 02

  Can I tell you something? Last year, this might even be 2024. CR and I came up with a plan to scare you, Sean, and capture it on camera. Cause he really wanted to get an Art the Clown mask. But then he said he ordered it and it smelled way too bad. And he was like, I'm bailing on this idea and we never did it.

• 1:54:50Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, no.

• 1:54:51Amanda Dobbins?

  That's really funny.

• 1:54:52Sean Fennessey?

  So you would have scared me by like creeping up behind me?

• 1:54:54Speaker 02

  The plan was when we used to shoot in, uh, remember upstairs in the other building? Where, uh, the old set, like Bill's movie stuff. He was gonna hide behind the curtain before you were to come in for a recording and then come out of the curtain and scare you. Never got off the ground.

• 1:55:11Sean Fennessey?

  Very cool. Love to work with my friends. Last horror movie I'm gonna mention is The Land of Nod.

• 1:55:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:55:18Sean Fennessey?

  Kyle Edward Ball, who made Skin and Marink, which is your favorite film of 2022. A 24 movie that looks really interesting.

• 1:55:27Amanda Dobbins?

  What's happening? What's behind the curtain?

• 1:55:35Sean Fennessey?

  It's kind of like, um, who used to do the bit about the man in the little box?

• 1:55:40Sean Fennessey?

  I'm in this box. Help me get out of this box. It's a comedian. Oh, it's, it's Rob Brydon from, uh, from the trip. There's like.

• 1:55:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Can I do my rom com watch?

• 1:55:51Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely. Do it. Fire away.

• 1:55:52Amanda Dobbins?

  All right. Coming this week, we mentioned it earlier. Emily Henry adaptation of People We Meet on Vacation.

• 1:55:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, Netflix.

• 1:55:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I haven't read this Emily Henry novel. I read a different one about a woman who goes back and like starts a bookstore.

• 1:56:05Sean Fennessey?

  What's her deal? What does she write?

• 1:56:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Romance novels. And they are like, they are the closest to, they're like rom coms that keep going.

• 1:56:15Amanda Dobbins?

  So, and by keep going, I mean, they have a lot of sex and then they end up, you know? And then also it's like, should we be having sex? I don't know. Yes, we can't stop having sex. And then they like fall in love or whatever.

• 1:56:26Sean Fennessey?

  I'm interested.

• 1:56:28Amanda Dobbins?

  This stars Emily Blader- Bader and Tom Blige. I haven't seen it yet.

• 1:56:31Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:56:31Amanda Dobbins?

  But I'm, you know, I'm monitoring.

• 1:56:33Sean Fennessey?

  Don't know who either of those people are.

• 1:56:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Emily.

• 1:56:35Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, Tom Blige was in Songbirds and Snakes.

• 1:56:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and you would maybe recognize Emily Bader as well. We'll see. I just, I like, I, you know, I'm keeping an eye on that one.

• 1:56:45Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, interesting.

• 1:56:46Amanda Dobbins?

  One Night Only. Been seeing a lot of paparazzi photos for this one. Callum Turner and Monica Babaro.

• 1:56:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, yes.

• 1:56:54Amanda Dobbins?

  This is a Will Glock movie, who did Easy A and Friends with Benefits.

• 1:56:57Sean Fennessey?

  This movie unfortunately falls in the window in which I may be traveling in the first week of August.

• 1:57:02Amanda Dobbins?

  That's fine. It's, you know, my birthday weekend. Also, I like, I can handle it.

• 1:57:06Sean Fennessey?

  Birthday movie.

• 1:57:06Amanda Dobbins?

  We don't need everything with you.

• 1:57:08Sean Fennessey?

  Great, that's great. Solo one night only pod from you? I love it. I'm so fucking on board.

• 1:57:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Molly Ringwald, LeVar Burton, Maya Hawke, Julia Fox, Esti Haim, who I believe is Esti Haim, who I believe is the Haim sister who got married.

• 1:57:22Sean Fennessey?

  She is. Did you see with the PTA screening schedule?

• 1:57:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Here's what I need to ask, and I, there's no reporting on this.

• 1:57:29Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 1:57:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Original father of the bride or Nancy Meyers?

• 1:57:32Sean Fennessey?

  Great question. Don't know.

• 1:57:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I'd like.

• 1:57:35Sean Fennessey?

  Should we call Esti Haim prime right now?

• 1:57:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I sort of feel like it's the original, but you know, then the.

• 1:57:41Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, PTA of a TCM head.

• 1:57:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly. Yeah.

• 1:57:44Sean Fennessey?

  But you know, Diane Keaton just passed.

• 1:57:47Amanda Dobbins?

  That's right, but I wouldn't say that, like, of all of the Diane Keaton Nancy Meyers performances, I guess it's wedding.

• 1:57:53Sean Fennessey?

  It's a wedding, yeah.

• 1:57:54Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, listen, it's one of my favorite movies of all time. That's, that's my dream house. I drive by it all the time.

• 1:58:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Ladies first?

• 1:58:01Sean Fennessey?

  What's that?

• 1:58:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Sacha Baron Cohen movie? Let me read you.

• 1:58:05Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, you've unearthed something.

• 1:58:07Amanda Dobbins?

  So this is also, it's a Netflix black and white romantic comedy.

• 1:58:11Sean Fennessey?

  Black and white?

• 1:58:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Apparently, yeah. It's loosely inspired by a French film, I Am Not An Easy Man. So here's the premise. A male chauvinist finds himself in an alternate world where the power dynamics of society are altered. Starring Sacha Baron Cohen, Rosamund Pike, Richard E. Grant, Emily Mortimer, Charles Dance, Fiona Shaw. I mean, I'm, I'm open to it. I don't know. We'll see. I'm just, I'm, this is rom-com watch.

• 1:58:36Sean Fennessey?

  So Sacha Baron Cohen, you think sexually appealing?

• 1:58:45Sean Fennessey?

  Rosamund Pike isn't as a yes. I was not familiar with this movie. Okay, that's interesting. What else you got?

• 1:58:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, so this is more just to acknowledge all like tastes and interests. Like I have not been the hugest John Carney fan. It's because it can be a little too earnest for me, but many people love that. So Power Ballad, starring Paul Rudd and Nick Jonas.

• 1:59:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 1:59:07Amanda Dobbins?

  That's happening in June. This is about an old rock star and I don't know, life and love and presumably, I don't know whether this is, this might be more of like a buddy comedy with some like romance and like wedding in the background.

• 1:59:19Sean Fennessey?

  I watched an extended teaser of this movie at CinemaCon without you.

• 1:59:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:59:23Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I don't think you came to the Lionsgate presentation.

• 1:59:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, no, I was, I was flying in.

• 1:59:28Sean Fennessey?

  And it looked fine.

• 1:59:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:59:30Sean Fennessey?

  John Carney, Once and Sing Street are great, in my opinion. The other stuff, I'm kind of mixed on.

• 1:59:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, I just, I'm, this is, I'm surveying the land. I'm reporting on what's coming up. And then finally is, uh, The Invite.

• 1:59:45Sean Fennessey?

  What's this?

• 1:59:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Directed by Olivia Wilde.

• 1:59:47Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yes.

• 1:59:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Seth Rogen, Penelope Cruz, Edward Norton, Olivia Wilde. A married couple experiencing a rough patch in their relationship find themselves invited by their neighbors to engage in their weekly orgies. So I guess this is more like.

• 2:00:02Sean Fennessey?

  More comedy.

• 2:00:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Ghost rom com. Well, you know, maybe they'll find love in different ways.

• 2:00:06Sean Fennessey?

  Swinger comedy.

• 2:00:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, swinger comedy, but you know, the next stage.

• 2:00:09Sean Fennessey?

  Huge year for Olivia Wilde.

• 2:00:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 2:00:12Sean Fennessey?

  She is one of the stars of I Want Your Sex from Greg Araki's new movie, opposite Cooper Hoffman.

• 2:00:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:00:19Sean Fennessey?

  And she has one other big part, too. You mentioned another, another film that she's going to be appearing in.

• 2:00:25Amanda Dobbins?

  She's in Behemoth.

• 2:00:29Sean Fennessey?

  She's in Behemoth. Yeah. So her big comeback post, Don't Worry Darling, very funny on the studio, I thought, in her episode of the studio.

• 2:00:38Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I've got more stuff to share with you.

• 2:00:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:00:40Sean Fennessey?

  It's very important that we acknowledge all of these movies because they're going to be the biggest movies of the year.

• 2:00:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:00:44Sean Fennessey?

  And we may or may not. We will see every single one. We will review every single one on this podcast. Every single one, I promise you.

• 2:00:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:00:53Sean Fennessey?

  It is my solemn promise to you and to the listeners at home.

• 2:00:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I will be there. I think that I know what every single one of these movies is, which is incredible. I didn't have to Google any of them.

• 2:01:04Sean Fennessey?

  Here are the movies.

• 2:01:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 2:01:05Sean Fennessey?

  Avengers Doomsday.

• 2:01:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Steve Rogers will return.

• 2:01:08Sean Fennessey?

  Well, we've also learned that the X-Men will return.

• 2:01:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:01:11Sean Fennessey?

  Cyclops.

• 2:01:12Amanda Dobbins?

  So is it happening for, is like-

• 2:01:13Sean Fennessey?

  Professor X. Well, the Fox X-Men will be a part of this. We've seen James Marsden and Patrick Stewart in one of the teasers. We also saw Thor in one of the teasers. Uh, what else? There was another one.

• 2:01:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Where, it's like, where-

• 2:01:28Sean Fennessey?

  I think there was one with Shuri.

• 2:01:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay, that went well.

• 2:01:30Sean Fennessey?

  From Black Panther.

• 2:01:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, where, where's your, where's your anticipation index on this? Where are you feeling? What are your emotions? Every night before we go to bed, I ask Knox and I like talk about our feelings. And he tells me a time when he's happy, sad, and when he was anxious, sad and happy.

• 2:01:46Sean Fennessey?

  And do you do that with him as well?

• 2:01:48Amanda Dobbins?

  I do as well. Yeah, yeah.

• 2:01:49Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting. The one time you pull the shield down.

• 2:01:53Amanda Dobbins?

  But then, and it's really a stalling technique, but so now you can tell me, what about it makes you sad, anxious and happy?

• 2:02:00Sean Fennessey?

  Um.

• 2:02:02Sean Fennessey?

  I, it's, it-

• 2:02:09Sean Fennessey?

  It could be, obviously, a world historical fiasco, right? It could be-

• 2:02:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Which could be fun.

• 2:02:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, it wouldn't be fun if it were just like-

• 2:02:17Sean Fennessey?

  I'm just so bored of being disappointed by these movies and then shitting on them on the pod. I, that's actually not fun anymore. And it was never fun, honestly. I don't really like doing that.

• 2:02:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I agree.

• 2:02:26Sean Fennessey?

  And it's been a, I thought Thunderbolts was pretty good. Um.

• 2:02:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:02:31Sean Fennessey?

  There've been a couple, like Multiverse of Madness, there've been a couple that I enjoyed. But for the most part, it's been six, seven straight years of being disappointed. I'd like for this to be fun. I'd like for it to be exciting. I'd like for it to at least tap into my 12-year-old comic book reading brain. And a big story like this with all these characters should. Um, I don't even think all the Avengers movies are that good. Age of Ultron's not good. So, you know, it's not like this is some guarantee of success.

• 2:02:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Number two?

• 2:02:57Sean Fennessey?

  Number two, yeah.

• 2:02:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, okay.

• 2:02:58Sean Fennessey?

  And the first one is solid. I really like Infinity War and, uh-

• 2:03:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:03:04Sean Fennessey?

  And Endgame, so-

• 2:03:07Sean Fennessey?

  It's just been so long. And I just feel like people don't care that much.

• 2:03:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Is Robert Downey Jr. back as Iron Man or as the evil Doom?

• 2:03:15Sean Fennessey?

  Doctor Doom.

• 2:03:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Doctor Doom.

• 2:03:17Sean Fennessey?

  He's a doctor.

• 2:03:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, okay.

• 2:03:18Sean Fennessey?

  You know, the magician's nephew.

• 2:03:20Amanda Dobbins?

  What is the name of the medical school?

• 2:03:21Sean Fennessey?

  Doctor Doom's nephew.

• 2:03:24Amanda Dobbins?

  What's the fake country that they came up with?

• 2:03:27Sean Fennessey?

  It's Latveria, I believe, is his nation of origin.

• 2:03:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it really?

• 2:03:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Is it not Latveria? I think so.

• 2:03:33Amanda Dobbins?

  They just added an ER. What is the one with the accords?

• 2:03:39Sean Fennessey?

  Latveria is a fictional technologically advanced European nation in Marvel Comics. It's kind of like the Wakanda of Europe.

• 2:03:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, but then what the international incident?

• 2:03:49Sean Fennessey?

  I'm fucking cooking right now.

• 2:03:51Amanda Dobbins?

  The international incidents when, and then they end civil war, I think, and they have the accords and Chris and Andy joke about it all the time. What's going on?

• 2:03:59Sean Fennessey?

  That's Sokovia.

• 2:04:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, okay.

• 2:04:01Sean Fennessey?

  That's a different European nation, sort of Russian.

• 2:04:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Got it. Thank you. See, we got there.

• 2:04:06Sean Fennessey?

  That's where the Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver are from.

• 2:04:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. And adamantium is what makes Wolverine the claws.

• 2:04:15Sean Fennessey?

  Correct.

• 2:04:15Amanda Dobbins?

  And vibranium is what they have in Wakanda?

• 2:04:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 2:04:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow, look at me. I'm ready.

• 2:04:21Sean Fennessey?

  You're doing wonderfully.

• 2:04:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Bring it back.

• 2:04:24Amanda Dobbins?

  How many countdown clocks will you post to the internet?

• 2:04:27Sean Fennessey?

  I think the movie's gonna be bad, but I want it to be good.

• 2:04:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:04:29Sean Fennessey?

  You know, and I really, for movies.

• 2:04:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I would like for you to have a good enough time that I can have fun with it.

• 2:04:35Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, thanks.

• 2:04:35Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 2:04:36Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Michael is coming out in April. Michael Jackson biopic.

• 2:04:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Next one.

• 2:04:42Sean Fennessey?

  Wuthering Heights.

• 2:04:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:04:43Sean Fennessey?

  What if it's good?

• 2:04:44Amanda Dobbins?

  It could be.

• 2:04:45Sean Fennessey?

  It could be.

• 2:04:46Amanda Dobbins?

  It could be like ridiculous.

• 2:04:48Sean Fennessey?

  I'm ready to like it.

• 2:04:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I almost put it's not a rom-com, so I'm putting it in a different, I didn't put it on rom-com watch, but I'm anticipating it also.

• 2:04:56Sean Fennessey?

  It is the Valentine's Day movie event of the year.

• 2:04:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Charlie writing the moment into the soundtrack for Wuthering Heights.

• 2:05:02Sean Fennessey?

  Margot Robbie and Jacob Elordi, I think, good casting.

• 2:05:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm, I'm open.

• 2:05:07Sean Fennessey?

  Not really super familiar with this material, to be honest. I've seen film adaptations. I didn't read the book as a kid.

• 2:05:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I, you know, long time ago. I don't remember very much.

• 2:05:14Sean Fennessey?

  Should we reread it?

• 2:05:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 2:05:16Sean Fennessey?

  We have five weeks to reread Wuthering Heights.

• 2:05:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I think I could do it. I just started.

• 2:05:20Sean Fennessey?

  It would probably take you five years to finish Wuthering Heights if I'm being totally honest with you.

• 2:05:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I think I could do it. I was trying to read a high-minded novel over the break and then I like, I lost it. I lost the copy of the book and so.

• 2:05:31Sean Fennessey?

  I read Abel Ferrara's Scene.

• 2:05:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's fun.

• 2:05:34Sean Fennessey?

  Which is his memoir. Um, he's, you know, of course, one of the heaviest from Marty Supreme, great filmmaker. Uh, Toy Story 5?

• 2:05:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Here comes the iPad.

• 2:05:42Sean Fennessey?

  Is there an iPad in it?

• 2:05:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought that was the evil, the evil thing is the iPad. Am I making that up?

• 2:05:46Sean Fennessey?

  That makes a lot of sense and it's a great call.

• 2:05:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. I thought you told me that.

• 2:05:51Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't.

• 2:05:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Normally you forget all social interactions, but you at least remember the plots and names of movies.

• 2:05:55Sean Fennessey?

  The movie-related social interactions, yeah.

• 2:05:57Amanda Dobbins?

  If I'm, if that's the, if that's wrong, then congratulations.

• 2:06:00Speaker 02

  You are correct, Amanda. Apparently it will be a character named Lily Pad, a frog-themed smart tablet that represents modern screen time.

• 2:06:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 2:06:07Sean Fennessey?

  Honestly, smart.

• 2:06:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:09Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good idea. Uh, Supergirl and Clayface.

• 2:06:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, these are the two DC EU or just you?

• 2:06:16Sean Fennessey?

  You.

• 2:06:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Goodbye to the E, hello just the U.

• 2:06:19Sean Fennessey?

  Drop the E, it's cleaner.

• 2:06:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Great.

• 2:06:24Sean Fennessey?

  Playface, I'm in, I'm in.

• 2:06:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:06:26Sean Fennessey?

  He's a failed actor.

• 2:06:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:29Sean Fennessey?

  He turns to a life of crime and he uses.

• 2:06:31Amanda Dobbins?

  That's cool.

• 2:06:32Sean Fennessey?

  He's good, he's been disfigured in some sort of accident.

• 2:06:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:06:35Sean Fennessey?

  And he can look like anybody.

• 2:06:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:06:38Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Supergirl, sure. Spider-Man: Brand New Day?

• 2:06:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't mind these films. The Jake Gyllenhaal drone one went on for like a long time.

• 2:06:46Sean Fennessey?

  No, that was sick. When he played Mysterio? It's so underrated. People hated that one or they didn't like it as much. I liked that one a lot. Gyllenhaal, cooking and being a really weird special effects master. That's my shit. Um.

• 2:06:58Amanda Dobbins?

  That's your future.

• 2:06:59Sean Fennessey?

  I, Brand New Day, interesting, could be good.

• 2:07:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:07:02Sean Fennessey?

  Could.

• 2:07:02Amanda Dobbins?

  What kind of new day is it? So he's, he left his friends behind.

• 2:07:05Sean Fennessey?

  Thursday.

• 2:07:09Amanda Dobbins?

  So he said goodbye to his friends because they needed to go to college or whatever and not remember him because the burden of remembering him was too much.

• 2:07:16Sean Fennessey?

  Zendaya's character was struck by lightning. She died?

• 2:07:18Amanda Dobbins?

  No, she didn't, but they were at the diner and he goes to the diner.

• 2:07:22Sean Fennessey?

  I know.

• 2:07:22Amanda Dobbins?

  And he's like, I had to make a sacrifice because I love her, but now she doesn't remember me and he doesn't have his friends anymore.

• 2:07:28Sean Fennessey?

  You fucking loved that third Spider-Man movie.

• 2:07:29Amanda Dobbins?

  It's so good. I'm so pregnant. I was like, just absolutely. They pointed at each other and then he saved Emma Stone or not Emma Stone, but whoever was playing Emma Stone and I was weeping.

• 2:07:42Sean Fennessey?

  Emma Stone?

• 2:07:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Who does he save? Not Mary Jane, but he saves Zendaya.

• 2:07:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, Zendaya's playing MJ.

• 2:07:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. And then is who, did Emma Stone play Gwen?

• 2:07:53Sean Fennessey?

  Emma Stone played Gwen Stacy, yes.

• 2:07:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, okay, but it's.

• 2:07:55Sean Fennessey?

  Was there Gwen Stacy in the last film?

• 2:07:57Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but when he saves MJ, it's like he's, you know, we're all recalling him, saving him. It was very beautiful.

• 2:08:06Sean Fennessey?

  That was beautiful. Look at you. You love Spider-Man. We all love Spider-Man.

• 2:08:09Amanda Dobbins?

  It's the best one.

• 2:08:10Sean Fennessey?

  I did. He is the best character by far. Um, John Bernthal's in this movie.

• 2:08:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 2:08:16Sean Fennessey?

  As the Punisher. You up on the Punisher?

• 2:08:18Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 2:08:19Sean Fennessey?

  He has a lot of guns. That's his whole thing.

• 2:08:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I don't like that.

• 2:08:21Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Mark Ruffalo's coming back as the Hulk.

• 2:08:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:08:25Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm. Michael Mando coming in as Scorpion.

• 2:08:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:08:29Sean Fennessey?

  You know about Scorpion?

• 2:08:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Does he sting people?

• 2:08:32Sean Fennessey?

  He certainly does. He has a long tail.

• 2:08:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:08:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Great, okay.

• 2:08:38Sean Fennessey?

  He was like, in the 90s, he was like a canonical. I think he's a member of the Sinister Six.

• 2:08:44Amanda Dobbins?

  I have heard about that because don't they come back in a different movie or do they come back in the last one?

• 2:08:50Sean Fennessey?

  They were supposed to be the stars of a Drew Goddard movie that I was actually very excited about. Who are the Sinister Six members? This is incredible podcasting right now. Doc Ock, obviously, Doctor Octopus, Electro, Kraven the Hunter.

• 2:09:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Which movie where he's stuck in the basement?

• 2:09:02Sean Fennessey?

  No Scorpion here.

• 2:09:04Amanda Dobbins?

  He's not a Sinister Six. Wow, your whole life has been a lie.

• 2:09:09Sean Fennessey?

  It's not here. He was a member of the Savage Six.

• 2:09:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, sure.

• 2:09:14Sean Fennessey?

  Which included Vulture, King Cobra, Rhino.

• 2:09:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:09:17Sean Fennessey?

  Tarantula.

• 2:09:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm. Oh, I see. You know, more, more nature-based.

• 2:09:22Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:22Amanda Dobbins?

  What, which one was the movie when they get, that is not a Spider-Man movie, but it basically is? And the Sinister Six are all locked in the basement and.

• 2:09:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Was it, was it the most recent Spider-Man after all? You don't remember this? They're all like in prison?

• 2:09:42Sean Fennessey?

  No, yeah, he imprisons them.

• 2:09:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:09:45Sean Fennessey?

  From different universes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the most recent one, yeah.

• 2:09:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, got it.

• 2:09:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, where like Alfred Molina is behind bars and you're like, what's going on? And Jamie Foxx is there, right, as?

• 2:09:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:09:55Sean Fennessey?

  What is he? Electro.

• 2:09:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Willem Dafoe is there?

• 2:09:58Sean Fennessey?

  Willem Dafoe as the Green Goblin.

• 2:10:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:00Sean Fennessey?

  Love Spider-Man.

• 2:10:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:10:01Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, the Mandalorian and Grogu, you've mentioned.

• 2:10:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Which we've seen 45 times.

• 2:10:05Sean Fennessey?

  Moana, live action?

• 2:10:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Uh, you introduced Moana at Thanksgiving to my children.

• 2:10:13Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm, consider the coconut.

• 2:10:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, yeah.

• 2:10:15Sean Fennessey?

  Consider its leaves.

• 2:10:19Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Super Mario Galaxy movie?

• 2:10:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh huh. This is, I will see it.

• 2:10:24Sean Fennessey?

  Coming out in April.

• 2:10:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:10:25Sean Fennessey?

  We have seen the Super Mario Brothers film in my house.

• 2:10:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:10:29Sean Fennessey?

  A plus hit. So Princess Peach, obviously an icon to my daughter. There's another princess in the Super Mario Galaxy movie. We learned about her when we went to Universal Studios.

• 2:10:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:10:41Sean Fennessey?

  Um, her name is Rosalina.

• 2:10:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:10:45Sean Fennessey?

  She'll be voiced by Brie Larson in this new film.

• 2:10:48Amanda Dobbins?

  That's so great. Okay.

• 2:10:51Sean Fennessey?

  Um, yeah, should be good. Masters of the Universe, that's a solo pod. You stay home that day. Me-

• 2:10:58Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm so confused by this.

• 2:11:00Sean Fennessey?

  Talking about He-Man for 90 minutes, I'm so pumped. Travis Knight.

• 2:11:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:07Sean Fennessey?

  Best known for being the son of Phil Knight and the-

• 2:11:09Amanda Dobbins?

  That's right.

• 2:11:10Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, stop motion animation filmmaker. He also directed Bumblebee.

• 2:11:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:11:13Sean Fennessey?

  A Transformers movie I enjoy. Um, this is his big swing. Amazon is paying for a hundred million dollar He-Man adaptation.

• 2:11:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:11:21Sean Fennessey?

  Lots of practical effects and costumes.

• 2:11:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:11:24Sean Fennessey?

  Um, this is a TV series that was incredibly important to me at four years old. I watched every episode.

• 2:11:30Amanda Dobbins?

  That's beautiful.

• 2:11:31Sean Fennessey?

  Last year, I took my daughter to see four episodes at the Egyptian.

• 2:11:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:36Sean Fennessey?

  Because she loves She-Ra, the female counterpart to Adam, AKA He-Man. I know I sound insane right now.

• 2:11:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 2:11:42Sean Fennessey?

  But this is my youth. And, uh, there has been previously an adaptation of this story starring, um, Dolph Lundgren as He-Man and Frank Langella as Skeletor. These are all true things. That film was not a success. You're doing great right now.

• 2:11:57Amanda Dobbins?

  This is so, this is, it's like a little bit of like the Minions energy coming over me and also remembering, because they showed us like a behind the scenes, like a making of at CinemaCon, which is just that guy Nicholas Galzine, like running into like, you know, little football dummies a bunch.

• 2:12:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 2:12:17Amanda Dobbins?

  It was just like, He-Man! And you and all the men we were with were just like, yes, it is He-Man. And I truly felt like a man.

• 2:12:26Sean Fennessey?

  So there's three movies like this that are kind of like, uh, so this is different than the Marvel stuff to me. This movie, Mortal Kombat 2, and the Street Fighter movie are all like, is this serious or not? Like, is this arch and ironic appreciation of something that people enjoyed when they were five or not?

• 2:12:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 2:12:44Sean Fennessey?

  And they all seem to be going with the same energy, this sort of like aggro gag comedy energy.

• 2:12:53Amanda Dobbins?

  But that speaks to you, sort of?

• 2:12:56Sean Fennessey?

  If done well, yes.

• 2:12:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:12:57Sean Fennessey?

  They all have like really funny casting, like almost like stunt casting. We can talk about the Street Fighter movie if you want. I don't know if you care about that. Mortal Kombat 2 is just a sequel to the Mortal Kombat movie, but the first Mortal Kombat movie was way too serious and weird.

• 2:13:08Amanda Dobbins?

  You're just talking so fast right now.

• 2:13:10Sean Fennessey?

  I have so many thoughts.

• 2:13:13Sean Fennessey?

  Here's the, here's the cast and that's just the universe for the, for the folks playing at home. Marina Bakarin plays Sorceress of Castle Greyskull.

• 2:13:22Sean Fennessey?

  Idris Elba is Duncan. He's also known as Man-at-Arms. Do you know about Man-at-Arms?

• 2:13:26Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I don't.

• 2:13:27Sean Fennessey?

  He's a guy whose arms spin around in a 360 fashion in his body.

• 2:13:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:13:31Sean Fennessey?

  Alison Brie is Professor Evelyn Powers, AKA Evelyn, a dastardly sorceress.

• 2:13:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Good for her.

• 2:13:39Sean Fennessey?

  Jared Leto is Skeletor.

• 2:13:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:13:41Sean Fennessey?

  God damn it.

• 2:13:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Well.

• 2:13:44Sean Fennessey?

  Come on.

• 2:13:45Amanda Dobbins?

  They take too long to make these movies, you know?

• 2:13:47Sean Fennessey?

  Camilla Mendes is Tila, who is my daughter's favorite character.

• 2:13:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:13:51Sean Fennessey?

  She's a captain of the Guards.

• 2:13:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:13:53Sean Fennessey?

  She's, um, Man-at-Arms' adoptive daughter and He-Man's sergeant.

• 2:13:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:13:57Sean Fennessey?

  Tila's very powerful. Camilla Mendes is like 5'2". I don't really know how they're gonna pull that off. Nicholas Galzine is, is Prince Adam Glenn, AKA He-Man. He's a descendant of King Devon Greyskull.

• 2:14:11Amanda Dobbins?

  What is the kingdom over which He-Man presides?

• 2:14:14Sean Fennessey?

  It's really, I don't know too much about the world.

• 2:14:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, where is Grayskull?

• 2:14:18Sean Fennessey?

  It's in Sheboygan.

• 2:14:21Sean Fennessey?

  I, uh, Jack's like, I gotta eat lunch, guys. The Hunger Games Sunrise on the Repay?

• 2:14:29Amanda Dobbins?

  All right, we got it.

• 2:14:29Sean Fennessey?

  Gotta keep going. Hoppers?

• 2:14:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:32Sean Fennessey?

  New Pixar movie?

• 2:14:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Knox seemed interested. He was like, why are they, what's that?

• 2:14:36Sean Fennessey?

  What's your take on practical magic?

• 2:14:39Amanda Dobbins?

  I've seen it. I didn't, you know, not Halloween-coded, so I haven't seen it 5,000 times like the people of Halloween, but I obviously honor the work of Nicole Kidman and Sandra Bullock in the 90s and now. And, um...

• 2:14:51Sean Fennessey?

  You honor their work.

• 2:14:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I honor it.

• 2:14:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, you do. Much like Castle Grayskull honors He-Man.

• 2:15:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:15:01Sean Fennessey?

  Didn't mention Minions 3, but that's happening.

• 2:15:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah. That's exciting.

• 2:15:04Sean Fennessey?

  Minions 3? That's your box office right there, that big chunk of movies.

• 2:15:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 2:15:07Sean Fennessey?

  Aside from The Odyssey and Toon Part 3. That's your big chunk of box office.

• 2:15:10Amanda Dobbins?

  If you're gonna nerd out about Masters of the Universe, I have verity under honorable mentions, but I do think it's gonna make a lot of money.

• 2:15:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think so too.

• 2:15:18Amanda Dobbins?

  And I do, it's, this is another Colleen Hoover adaptation. This one is directed by Michael Showalter, and this stars Dakota Johnson in Hathaway and Josh Hartnett, which is like, if we're gonna do this, let's really do it. And it looks insane. And I don't think they're serious. I mean, I think that they're serious, but they're having fun. So I might be into this.

• 2:15:40Sean Fennessey?

  It's the very delicate line.

• 2:15:42Amanda Dobbins?

  I might, I'm, I'm, I'm open.

• 2:15:44Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 2:15:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't wanna go see it by myself. We have to go have fun.

• 2:15:47Sean Fennessey?

  Definitely going to see it.

• 2:15:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, okay.

• 2:15:49Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, what other honorable mentions do you have?

• 2:15:52Amanda Dobbins?

  A Long Winter, which is the new Andrew Haig movie, um, also starring, I believe, Evan Moss-Bacharach. And it just, I mean, it sounds like people sad in the winter, uh, which, same.

• 2:16:03Sean Fennessey?

  Andrew Haig, uh, you know, calling card. I think it's a, it's a Tom Toibin novel?

• 2:16:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Short story.

• 2:16:07Sean Fennessey?

  Short story.

• 2:16:08Amanda Dobbins?

  So, you know, but it's okay. Short stories to novel, to movie can work. Um, do you know about the movie Pressure?

• 2:16:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, but tell me about it. What is it?

• 2:16:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I almost put this in along with the Dateline movie and Inc. Um, so it is a, it's a World War II movie.

• 2:16:27Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 2:16:28Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's about the meteorologist, always a new angle. And it's Andrew Scott is the meteorologist who has to give like the D-Day weather report.

• 2:16:37Amanda Dobbins?

  To Dwight Eisenhower, who's played by Brendan Fraser and Carrie Condon is in this movie for some reason. Listen, you know, I never saw, I haven't seen, I never saw, I have not yet seen Nuremberg.

• 2:16:52Sean Fennessey?

  I need you to watch it.

• 2:16:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm going to.

• 2:16:54Sean Fennessey?

  I think that's like a nice slab of beef for us to discuss in like late January.

• 2:16:59Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm gonna get there, you know?

• 2:17:00Sean Fennessey?

  Cause it's like deeply watchable, like tremendously watchable, not good.

• 2:17:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Of course it is.

• 2:17:06Sean Fennessey?

  Very watchable.

• 2:17:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Andrew Scott doing the 1944 weather, I'll watch it.

• 2:17:10Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, all right. I'm not, I'm not against it. And then I, I forgot about this last.

• 2:17:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Hannah Carefully.

• 2:17:15Sean Fennessey?

  Hannah Carefully.

• 2:17:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Sam Espel's new movie with Julia Roberts.

• 2:17:17Sean Fennessey?

  It's not dated.

• 2:17:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, so that's why it's, you know.

• 2:17:20Sean Fennessey?

  It's a Warner Brothers movie, but I think it's happening this year.

• 2:17:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I hope so.

• 2:17:23Sean Fennessey?

  It feels like it is. I'm pretty excited about that. I, I don't know.

• 2:17:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:17:28Sean Fennessey?

  Hopefully, hopefully these Warner Brothers movies are still coming out. Um, I got a few more on here that I'll quickly cite. New Paul Schrader movie. It's called The Basics of Philosophy.

• 2:17:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Lesson.

• 2:17:40Sean Fennessey?

  Come on, bro. Come on, dog. What?

• 2:17:42Amanda Dobbins?

  That's, that's good.

• 2:17:43Sean Fennessey?

  The basics of philosophy?

• 2:17:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Let's be honest.

• 2:17:46Sean Fennessey?

  He's using a lot of AI on Facebook. I'm not, not crazy about it. It hasn't been going well.

• 2:17:50Amanda Dobbins?

  How regularly are you checking Paul Schrader's Facebook page?

• 2:17:53Sean Fennessey?

  I get it sent to me all the time. I swear to God. I'm on several text chains.

• 2:17:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Other people sending it to you.

• 2:17:57Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I don't have Facebook, so I don't look at it.

• 2:17:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:17:59Sean Fennessey?

  Um, there's a J.J. Abrams movie starring Glenn Powell coming out called Ghost Rider? That could be good.

• 2:18:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm, I'm open.

• 2:18:06Sean Fennessey?

  I was thinking of revisiting the most recent Star Trek films.

• 2:18:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I like the first one a lot. The second one, I don't really remember, but the first one's very good.

• 2:18:14Sean Fennessey?

  There's a new Werner Herzog movie coming out. I would imagine Telluride 26.

• 2:18:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:18:19Sean Fennessey?

  Called Bucking Faster.

• 2:18:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 2:18:21Sean Fennessey?

  Which is about twins, and in this case, they're played by Rooney Mara and Kate Mara.

• 2:18:25Amanda Dobbins?

  It's very cool.

• 2:18:27Sean Fennessey?

  Love that. Ernie mentioned Here Comes the Flood Flowervale Street movie I've been anticipating for 47 years.

• 2:18:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:33Sean Fennessey?

  Anne Hathaway in a David Robert Mitchell dinosaur sci-fi movie.

• 2:18:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Big year for Anne Hathaway as well.

• 2:18:39Sean Fennessey?

  Huge. I mentioned I Want Your Sex, the new Greg Iraqi movie. The History of Concrete? Is a documentary that is premiering at Sundance, made by John Wilson, who is the.

• 2:18:50Amanda Dobbins?

  This'll be good.

• 2:18:51Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, the John Wilson, who's HBO documentary series is one of my favorite things in recent times. Met John late last year, and he was, seemed ready to get his movie out in the world, so I'm excited to see that. Wild Horse 9 is a Martin McDonagh movie.

• 2:19:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I almost put this on.

• 2:19:06Sean Fennessey?

  Who's in it? I forget.

• 2:19:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I think Sam Rockwell.

• 2:19:08Sean Fennessey?

  Sam Rockwell. Yeah, yeah. So it was Seven Psychopaths plus Three Billboards reunion. I Love Boosters is the new Boots Riley movie. I mentioned the Bone Temple is coming soon. C R is going to join us for that episode. The Dog Stars is the new movie from Ridley Scott. Was supposed to come out in March and got moved to October because I think they think there's money in them there hills. And this movie stars Jacob Elordi and Margaret Qualley.

• 2:19:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Great.

• 2:19:37Sean Fennessey?

  It's about, um.

• 2:19:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I see that Josh Brolin and Guy Pearce and Benedict Wong are also.

• 2:19:44Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 2:19:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Good.

• 2:19:46Sean Fennessey?

  Wildwood, another Travis Knight movie, a like a stop motion animation movie. And then Brad Bird's long awaited Ray Gun, an animated movie he tried to get made at Disney for years and couldn't get off the ground and is now going to be on Netflix.

• 2:19:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:19:59Sean Fennessey?

  We've got a couple of, is this really happening questions? The Way of the Wind, I ask once again, is Terrence Malick's story of Jesus Christ. Starring Giza Rorig, who played the table tennis former champion and Marty Supreme's close friend who tells the story of the honey and the Holocaust. He's supposed to play Jesus in this film. He is playing Jesus in this film, which was shot years ago. Some people say they've seen it. Some people say they've seen parts of it.

• 2:20:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:20:25Sean Fennessey?

  No one really knows what's going on with it.

• 2:20:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Who can know?

• 2:20:27Sean Fennessey?

  Horizon, Chapter Two.

• 2:20:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah. Which has definitely been made. What's the latest?

• 2:20:32Sean Fennessey?

  No idea. It screened at the Santa Barbara Film Festival 14 months ago.

• 2:20:36Amanda Dobbins?

  And you didn't go?

• 2:20:37Sean Fennessey?

  I didn't go.

• 2:20:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it really 14 months?

• 2:20:39Sean Fennessey?

  It was late 2024, right? Maybe it was early 2025? Can't remember.

• 2:20:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't.

• 2:20:47Sean Fennessey?

  It was a long time ago. Griffin Newman went and I didn't go.

• 2:20:49Amanda Dobbins?

  That's, you know?

• 2:20:51Sean Fennessey?

  He enjoyed it, as I recall. And then Whitney Springs, which is the Trey Parker, Matt Stone, Kendrick Lamar movie, which was dated a couple of times by Paramount and is now not on the schedule and I don't know what's going on with that. And is it a musical? Is it a movie about slavery? What is it? I don't know.

• 2:21:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know.

• 2:21:11Sean Fennessey?

  I hope something happens. Do you have any, is this happening?

• 2:21:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, the Tom Ford adaptation of Anne Rice's Cry to Heaven, which was announced kind of like at the end of last year.

• 2:21:21Sean Fennessey?

  Are there vampires in that one?

• 2:21:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, no, I think it's about Italian opera in the 18th century.

• 2:21:28Sean Fennessey?

  Intriguing.

• 2:21:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Nicholas Hoult, Aaron Taylor Johnson. Adele is allegedly going to be in this because opera singers and Owen Cooper.

• 2:21:36Sean Fennessey?

  Focusing on the world of the castrati. Male singers castrated as boys to preserve their high voices for opera.

• 2:21:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:21:41Sean Fennessey?

  Sounds terrifying.

• 2:21:43Amanda Dobbins?

  It sounds Tom Ford like.

• 2:21:45Sean Fennessey?

  Certainly does.

• 2:21:47Sean Fennessey?

  We just gave you a heaping pile of films.

• 2:21:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:21:50Sean Fennessey?

  I'm sure we've forgotten a few, too. I'm feeling pretty good. Are you feeling good?

• 2:21:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I'm excited.

• 2:21:57Sean Fennessey?

  Are you happy to be back?

• 2:21:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, I am. My heart opened throughout the episode. And so now it's just, now we are all the magician's nephew.

• 2:22:09Sean Fennessey?

  Thank you to the magician's nephew for his work on this episode. Thanks to our producer, Jack Sanders, back in the booth here in the city of Los Angeles. We will be back later this week. Golden Globe predictions and no other choice, the new film from Park Chan Wook.

• 2:22:22Amanda Dobbins?

  And Serat, do you want to do it?

• 2:22:24Sean Fennessey?

  I wanted to do Serat, but I feel like people can't see it.

• 2:22:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 2:22:28Sean Fennessey?

  It's not on streaming and was in like four theaters.

• 2:22:30Amanda Dobbins?

  I have, I have now seen it.

• 2:22:31Sean Fennessey?

  You saw it?

• 2:22:32Amanda Dobbins?

  So I'm ready.

• 2:22:32Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, I really want to talk about it with you and we maybe.

• 2:22:35Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's hard to until.

• 2:22:36Sean Fennessey?

  I feel like they should put it on streaming on PVOD right after the Oscar nominations. So maybe we'll do Serat at the end of the month.

• 2:22:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 2:22:44Sean Fennessey?

  Because it is a flashpoint right now.

• 2:22:47Sean Fennessey?

  We'll see you later this week.

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