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• 1:04Doug DeMuro?

  Hello and welcome to this car pod.

• 1:07Speaker 03

  I'm Kenan. I'm Felipe.

• 1:08Doug DeMuro?

  And let's talk news, starting with Montana. Bugatti from Montana. Bloomberg published an article about this.

• 1:16Speaker 03

  Mike?

• 1:16Doug DeMuro?

  About Montana, not Mike himself.

• 1:18Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:18Doug DeMuro?

  But his organization. About Montana and all the supercars and all the cars in general that are registered in Montana. And I wanted to highlight a couple of interesting things. Number one, Montana has 2.7 vehicles per driver, which is by a wide margin, the highest. This is registered, of course.

• 1:35Speaker 03

  You see a lot of cars from Montana.

• 1:37Doug DeMuro?

  They're not actually operated there. And the other thing the article got into was luxury vehicles registered in Montana by make. In '24, Montana had 10,757 luxury cars. This is Aston Martin, Bugatti, Ferrari, Lamborghini, only the top 10,077. Washington State, next door to Montana, two states over, had only 2,479 of these cars registered.

• 1:58Speaker 03

  Well, Montana, the large state, a lot of land.

• 2:01Doug DeMuro?

  Washington, which of course is much more populous and much more wealthy.

• 2:05Speaker 04

  I'll tell you what, the people in Montana, they have 2.7 cars per person. They are some serious heavy metal in Montana.

• 2:10Speaker 03

  Lots of Ayrons, I'm sure.

• 2:12Doug DeMuro?

  Lots of it. Last year, this, by public record request, they pulled this. Montana had 31 Pagani's registered. So Washington State had zero. Montana had 131 Bugattis registered and Washington State had zero. 131 Bugattis. There's only, you know, there's what 400 V runs and 400 S runs. There's only 800 of these cars, right? Give or take, maybe 900.

• 2:33Speaker 03

  Well, EB110.

• 2:34Doug DeMuro?

  Montana's got, yeah, then there's a few EB110s, which are all registered in Montana.

• 2:39Speaker 03

  Could be a Type 57S registered there, you don't know.

• 2:41Doug DeMuro?

  It's, it's really actually pretty impressive. 920 Rolls Royce in Montana to 155 in Washington State. 10 to 9 to 1.

• 2:48Speaker 03

  I mean, we knew this was true because people register their cars in Montana to avoid.

• 2:52Doug DeMuro?

  Sales tax. And, and any sort of emissions and inspection. The, the, the thrust behind the article was that more and more states are coming out after these people.

• 3:02Speaker 03

  Well.

• 3:02Doug DeMuro?

  California is always given as an example of this, but, but in this particular article, it said that California has managed to claw back like a million dollars in abuse. And that's nothing, that's one of these.

• 3:12Speaker 03

  That's not even.

• 3:13Doug DeMuro?

  But it said also that Utah specifically passed a law targeting Montana. And it went into the specifics of the law, but they are quite, uh.

• 3:23Speaker 03

  Fascinating.

• 3:24Doug DeMuro?

  Quite targeted, um, trying to get these people. Now, it's a little harder in Utah, I imagine, to enforce because Utah's pretty close to Montana.

• 3:29Speaker 03

  Right.

• 3:30Doug DeMuro?

  But nonetheless, you're driving around, you see a Lamborghini and you're in Salt Lake City.

• 3:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 3:33Doug DeMuro?

  In Montana plates.

• 3:35Speaker 03

  It didn't make the dirt tracks. Even though we knew this was happening, because you see Montana plates on new 911 turbos, for example.

• 3:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 3:42Speaker 03

  Uh, every Ferrari 458.

• 3:44Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, every McLaren.

• 3:46Speaker 03

  Every McLaren. You don't think about, like, the numbers are staggering. That's so many, that's gotta be half of the Bugattis in the US are titled Montana, if not more.

• 3:54Doug DeMuro?

  I think, I think 80 or 90%. I gotta be honest, I have a VIN list of every Carrera GT and I went through and started Carfaxing them because I was curious. And it's not even worth Carfaxing them anymore because I don't know where they are. It's impossible. Every one of them is titled in Montana, except for mine, they're all titled in Montana.

• 4:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 4:10Doug DeMuro?

  And so like that, it's insane. Any Carrera GT that's transacted in the last eight years, when the values started to get high, registered in Montana. Um, now, have any of us done Montana? I did in the past, but I don't have any Montana.

• 4:23Speaker 03

  I'm as legit as can be.

• 4:24Doug DeMuro?

  You don't, you obviously wouldn't, you would never.

• 4:26Speaker 03

  Why, why would I? My car is worth 10 grand, I don't need to.

• 4:29Doug DeMuro?

  But we know. Some people, we've heard some stories.

• 4:32Speaker 03

  We are familiar with people that have done it.

• 4:33Doug DeMuro?

  I'm familiar with people who have done.

• 4:35Speaker 04

  I'll be honest, if he had a Montana tag on one of his cars, people just think he was a local who's like, got away from Montana, like, you actually live there and now you live here.

• 4:41Doug DeMuro?

  Well, you can do it on a cheap car, but it doesn't make as much sense. I'm not surprised to hear that more states are trying to go after this. The amount of revenue is unbelievable. The article specifically quotes some DMV administrators. In fact, they interviewed a guy who was the head of the DMV in Iowa. He said, we've called Montana and they're like, we're only going to provide to you what the law says we have to provide. Like Montana likes this.

• 5:01Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 5:01Doug DeMuro?

  They make revenue.

• 5:02Speaker 03

  Tax revenue, and it employs a lot of people that run.

• 5:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 5:05Speaker 03

  Free Montana LLC dot com.

• 5:08Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. But so the states have basically decided they can't go after the Montana. They actually have to go after the individuals within their state.

• 5:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:15Doug DeMuro?

  And it gives many examples of states doing precisely that. And it's, Montana is the only state that ever comes up on this is being discussed. It's so funny.

• 5:22Speaker 03

  Vermont for a while was the state where you would do a cheap imported car.

• 5:26Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 5:27Speaker 03

  Cause you didn't have to go.

• 5:28Doug DeMuro?

  You didn't need an address.

• 5:28Speaker 03

  And they also didn't do a title of registration. There were a bunch of small benefits. That's gone.

• 5:32Doug DeMuro?

  They claim they won't do that anymore, but I've heard of it happening still.

• 5:36Speaker 03

  But they've tried pretty actively. Montana has clearly said, no, we want that money.

• 5:39Doug DeMuro?

  The one thing I'm always astonished about is whenever this comes up, and it's, you're going to see it in the comments of this too. Whenever this comes up, there's always a lot of people who defend the Montana folks. A lot of car enthusiasts defend, like, as if, as if the state laws on sales tax are trying to hamper car enthusiasm. And I find it very funny that a lot of people, especially YouTube and Reddit and Instagram commoners, are willing to stand up for people with million dollar cars and say, that would be insane. I would never pay a hundred grand for sales tax either. I get the argument, I guess, but it's like, it's interesting to me how many people who have a Dodge Charger will stand up and like advocate for a rich guy who could probably afford to pay the taxes, but chooses to.

• 6:21Doug DeMuro?

  To, in most states evade, not just avoid, but like it's literally against the law. They're just hoping they don't get caught.

• 6:28Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's some cognitive dissonance there.

• 6:30Doug DeMuro?

  Weirdly.

• 6:31Speaker 04

  Weirdly. Interesting.

• 6:33Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, so anyway, Montana crackdown. We always hear this every few months. I don't know if it ever goes anywhere. There are so many cars.

• 6:40Speaker 03

  The numbers are staggering.

• 6:42Doug DeMuro?

  I see a lot of it for smog, which is another reason why I'm convinced that if they did this, did the Leno's law thing, California would just make money. There are so many cars in my neighborhood. Guys with old Land Cruisers and guys with old Suburbans and stuff that just have Montana plates, still driving in California, but have Montana plates, not to avoid taxes because those cars are cheap, but there's no smog laws there.

• 7:00Speaker 03

  Right. Or they buy property in one of the counties in California with no smog.

• 7:05Doug DeMuro?

  Well, potentially, I mean, that.

• 7:07Speaker 03

  A little niche there.

• 7:08Doug DeMuro?

  It is niche to do that. And you still have to do smog at title transfer if you do that.

• 7:12Speaker 03

  True.

• 7:12Doug DeMuro?

  And your stuff gets sent up there. I mean, it's annoying. So, anyway, Montana crackdown. Are you afraid?

• 7:19Speaker 03

  No. Turns out that I just run California plates on my cars.

• 7:22Doug DeMuro?

  What if you got something nice? What if you got a Viper? You got passing smog.

• 7:27Speaker 04

  Dare to dream. You don't have anything to worry about? I don't have anything to worry about.

• 7:33Doug DeMuro?

  You no longer have anything to worry about? Some of the other people that you might know from the podcast.

• 7:39Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, all right, move on. It's interesting to hear about this. Always interesting to hear. I'm always curious whether this happens and I'm also curious to hear all the people complain that we are, that we are anti-car enthusiasts by saying the Montana thing is silly and shouldn't be done. Ultimately, if you want to change, if you're annoyed by the tax laws, the way that a democracy works is you elect people to change the laws. You're just annoyed that you have to pay.

• 8:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 8:02Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 8:02Doug DeMuro?

  Aren't we all?

• 8:03Speaker 04

  Aren't we all?

• 8:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 8:05Speaker 03

  Oh, a car dealer.

• 8:06Doug DeMuro?

  Car dealer.

• 8:06Speaker 03

  Okay, a bunch of car news now that we are in May.

• 8:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 8:11Speaker 03

  And I'm going to go through it quickly because I know that Kenan doesn't care at all. All right, couple of key points. April sales, really, really strong for new cars. We talked last month about how a lot of consumers pulled forward their purchase, wanting to avoid tariff. That kept happening.

• 8:25Doug DeMuro?

  So we think this was a pre-tariff result?

• 8:27Speaker 03

  A hundred percent. And like every analyst has basically said, we don't actually know anything. Even the Fed chairman, Paul, today said in the Fed's comments that.

• 8:39Speaker 03

  The data from Q1, from April and Q1, isn't realistic because it's not actually a true measure of what purchasing looked like because everybody pulls forward.

• 8:47Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 8:48Speaker 03

  Purchasing, inventory, purchasing, whatever.

• 8:50Doug DeMuro?

  Inventory, yeah.

• 8:51Speaker 03

  That is certainly true here too. There are some exceptions, there's some automakers that just had very weak Aprils because they weren't importing cars, Porsche being one of them, to be honest. But a lot of the mainstream manufacturers had really, really strong April sales numbers. Not surprising, we kind of knew that would happen and that's why some manufacturers freeze price increases or Ford went to employee pricing to just kind of try to incentivize that. But that all kind of changes now. Today Ford announced that on three of their models, the Maverick, the Bronco Sport and the third one I'm looking on, they're going to raise prices by up to two grand, starting June 1st.

• 9:28Doug DeMuro?

  Such a shame, Maverick.

• 9:30Speaker 03

  Right, the cheapest product by the way.

• 9:32Doug DeMuro?

  The moment all these tariffs were announced, I was like, this is going to hit Maverick. And Maverick, one of the big selling points of Maverick is its affordability.

• 9:38Speaker 03

  It's going to be a $2,000 price increase, is that what you're saying? 1,200 on the Maverick, but some of the other models.

• 9:43Doug DeMuro?

  That's 5% on a base Maverick.

• 9:46Speaker 03

  Because both of them are Mexico. And there's other manufacturers that will inevitably start doing that too. Ford is the first to very publicly say it, but everybody else has kind of hinted at that.

• 9:54Doug DeMuro?

  Plus, if it's 1200 now, but they can't, they probably can't continue at a 5%, only a 5% increase if they're paying significant tariffs, so.

• 10:03Speaker 03

  There are, so every manufacturer has kind of started to come out with guidance for what's likely to happen. A bunch of manufacturers, Mercedes-Benz, Volvo, Stellantis, some others have basically said, we have no idea what's going to happen, we are a public company, public companies generally give guidance to analysts for what they expect to have happen, they've pulled their guidance, they've just said, we don't know yet, we'll come back to you with more information, which is rare, incredibly rare that anybody would do that.

• 10:27Doug DeMuro?

  Well, it's bad, short-sighted policy and I think that the automakers hope that the government comes up with a similar conclusion.

• 10:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, and manufacturers are also very clearly trying to adapt both long-term and short-term. Long-term, it is having some of the effect that President Trump and his administration want. Audi has said publicly that they're looking at building US capacity to build a new EV. EV, that'll be a few years from now, but they're gonna invest in that. That's certainly what the Trump administration wants. At the same time, GM has said that they expect about a $5 billion tariff impact to their to their revenue in 2025. They have also said publicly that they think that they can offset about 30% of tariff costs internally. What that really means is they will cut jobs.

• 11:09Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 11:10Speaker 03

  And they will cut investment.

• 11:12Doug DeMuro?

  So here's where the tariffs to benefit American workers. Here's where the tariffs come into play. They're just gonna lay off American workers.

• 11:18Speaker 03

  Volvo cut 125 jobs yesterday.

• 11:21Doug DeMuro?

  In South Carolina.

• 11:22Speaker 03

  In the US.

• 11:24Speaker 03

  And basically, what every, what Solanta and GM and everybody else has said is, yeah, this is gonna impact American jobs and it's gonna impact investment in our future products. What you do is you try to offset the cost for what you have right now and you extend product life cycles. You stop investing in whatever's coming next. You stop, maybe you invest in factories in the US, which is desirable, but it comes at the expense of any expense you can cut right now.

• 11:46Doug DeMuro?

  Right.

• 11:46Speaker 03

  To make the next couple of years, close to break even.

• 11:49Doug DeMuro?

  The unintended consequences of policy are unbelievable. Policymaking is a lot harder than a lot of people think. A lot of blustery people who kind of, who kind of say, oh, why don't we just do this or that? And, and there's a reason that a lot of things are the way they are. And, and it's so funny that we're gonna end up losing American jobs and already have lost American jobs due to the tariffs, which in theory are designed to protect American jobs, but will not have that effect.

• 12:13Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 12:14Doug DeMuro?

  And, and probably will never have that effect. I mean, Audi trying to build a factory to make an EV, what's the timeline on that? You know, GM is saying a $5 billion cut to revenue. They're, they're not saying that we're, they're gonna make these big investments in the US. But they're, what everybody's thinking is we're just gonna wait this out. And there's gonna be a couple of tough years probably, and there's, they might be a recession as a result of these stupid tariffs. But the, the country will then realize like this isn't what we want and elect somebody who's not pushing it.

• 12:39Speaker 03

  There'll be. Tough times in between, right? Rivian and I'm quoting specific companies just to make the point that I'm not saying this. Rivian and others have said that they expect weaker sales because they expect the tariffs will impact, that the economy overall will slow down.

• 12:53Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 12:54Speaker 03

  And that will impact especially upmarket demand. Not surprising, I think we've been saying that for a long time. There's a lot in question here. I mean, there's both, can we build cars? Can we produce them here? Are there people to buy it, et cetera?

• 13:06Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 13:06Speaker 03

  That makes it tough. I will also say, this is gonna mean less interesting cars

• 13:10Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 13:10Speaker 03

  coming out a few years from now. The, no automaker is in this time where they have to really do some penny pinching to

• 13:16Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 13:16Speaker 03

  survive. Invest in something cool.

• 13:18Doug DeMuro?

  Of course, and it's gonna mean higher prices for used cars.

• 13:20Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:20Doug DeMuro?

  And this is gonna hurt us all, unless you run a used car auction website.

• 13:24Speaker 03

  Right.

• 13:24Doug DeMuro?

  But I, I don't feel though, like that benefits me. Like, yeah, that it will probably benefit our business, but like, as an, I feel like I'm an enthusiast first. I gotta, I already got my money.

• 13:34Speaker 04

  To be honest with you, as the values-

• 13:36Doug DeMuro?

  I mean that truly.

• 13:37Speaker 04

  As the, because we saw that huge run up in 2020 and 2021 of used car values. When it started to come back down again, I was happy.

• 13:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 13:42Speaker 04

  Because it meant that people could get into these cool cars.

• 13:45Doug DeMuro?

  And by the way, we're still selling cars.

• 13:47Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:47Doug DeMuro?

  Like whether the values are up or down, we Cars and Bids are still selling cars. Obviously, the, the revenue is lower when the values are lower, and so we'll probably make money because of the tariffs. But like, as a car enthusiast, I, I-

• 13:59Speaker 04

  I, yeah.

• 14:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 14:01Speaker 03

  You make money till the economy-

• 14:03Doug DeMuro?

  And that's the other thing. That's the other thing. So then, do, we make more money, great, for a couple of months. And then, you have layoffs because companies who are getting product from overseas can't continue to sell that product, and so they start laying off workers, people lose their jobs, and they stop buying stuff. And that includes our product. Suddenly, we're affected even though we're not actually tariffed, and then the whole economy starts to slow down.

• 14:20Speaker 03

  I actually do mean new cars five years from now, they're gonna be less interesting.

• 14:24Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 14:25Speaker 03

  It's a sold, there's already a bunch of manufacturers that are saying they're not gonna sell specific products in the US. The Jeep Compass, which nobody here cares about, but is Jeep's newest product-

• 14:33Doug DeMuro?

  But it's indicative-

• 14:33Speaker 03

  is, has been revealed, that we know when it's gonna go for sale in Europe and other markets, they've said it's not gonna come to the US. They've, they're planning on it.

• 14:41Doug DeMuro?

  Sure.

• 14:41Speaker 03

  That will be true of a lot of other products where they're just not gonna bother-

• 14:43Doug DeMuro?

  Any niche car that, which is a lot of sports cars at this point. Why would an automaker put in that investment to sell it here? Deal with tariffs. Right. It's so every time we get comments, and by the way, we get very few comments that are against our tariff stance. You know, I got a long rant prepared about tariffs, but I didn't say it. But we are a car industry podcast and we're the biggest car podcast in the world. And so I think being able to having these conversations about tariffs is important, but also standing up and advocating for the industry is important at this point. I can't tell you how many messages I've gotten from people at automakers who have thanked me for taking some of us for taking these positions on tariffs. And that's a big deal, and I think that's important.

• 15:26Doug DeMuro?

  And we get some negative comments, but the vast majority of comments support our points of view. They're from logical, rational people who understand that this is going to have a big impact on our industry and an industry that we are enthusiasts of. It will.

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• 17:03Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, give us our next news story. Let's move on from tariffs.

• 17:06Speaker 04

  Ah, Corvettes must be fully posted, right?

• 17:08Speaker 03

  Sure is. It's Corvette and screens. It's my, it's the nexus here. The 2026 Corvette has an interior redesign. Famously, the CA Corvette has a row of buttons between the driver's seat and the passenger seat. On the where there's a and there's a panel. That row buttons, which everybody hated for a bunch of reasons, has gone away.

• 17:29Doug DeMuro?

  It was quirky.

• 17:29Speaker 03

  For 20 million views with that row of buttons.

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• 18:05Speaker 04

  A lot of views for button.

• 18:06Speaker 03

  Unfortunately for you for 2026, they are at, they've moved a bunch of the buttons to below the main center screen. So a bunch of the HVAC controls are like little toggle switches. And they've also added a screen to the left of the gauge cluster.

• 18:18Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I don't see this as much of a story.

• 18:21Speaker 04

  Well, Corvette people generally tend to like, I like buttons. I want buttons. I don't want screens in my car. Now they've added.

• 18:30Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I'm curious how the implementation of these climate controls is.

• 18:32Speaker 03

  Better to be.

• 18:33Speaker 04

  It is much better than having every single little.

• 18:35Doug DeMuro?

  The button row was weird because it was kind of hard to distinguish between which was driver and which was passenger side. But it was a cool to kind of distinctive feature of that car. I don't think this is that big of a deal. I'm excited to drive an upcoming 26 Corvette, ideally the ZR1.

• 18:48Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 18:49Doug DeMuro?

  Next news story.

• 18:50Speaker 03

  Ah, the Cadillac Celeste.

• 18:53Doug DeMuro?

  Who's talking about?

• 18:53Speaker 03

  One of the cues. I am. The Cadillac Celeste is Cadillac's pinnacle model. They cost in the $350,000 range and it's intended to be very bespoke. They are building 25 this year. It is hand-built.

• 19:08Doug DeMuro?

  I thought you said 35.

• 19:09Speaker 03

  No, 25.

• 19:10Doug DeMuro?

  Oh damn, it's a 20% decline from the previous number I heard.

• 19:14Speaker 03

  Rolling it back. They're building 25. There are a bunch of first drives. They ran out of a bunch of journalists.

• 19:18Doug DeMuro?

  There's first drives out with the Celeste.

• 19:20Speaker 03

  The reviews are incredibly positive. They're comparing sound isolation to the Rolls Royce Spectre. It's an EV with more range than the Spectre. It looks. Striking. I actually think it looks great, but it certainly looks striking. They're making 25. They have not yet sold 25. They do not have pre-orders for 25 cars.

• 19:38Doug DeMuro?

  Well, wait. Okay, so when you say they're making 25, they're making a larger production run.

• 19:42Speaker 03

  They are making 25.

• 19:43Doug DeMuro?

  This year?

• 19:44Speaker 03

  Yeah. Maybe they'll make more, but it's gonna be hand-built. It's gonna be incredibly limited production, period.

• 19:49Doug DeMuro?

  It is gonna be limited production, but the goal is for this to be sort of their halo car at the top of their lineup. And they're gonna make, hopefully, a few hundred or maybe...

• 19:56Speaker 03

  But they weren't able to line up 25 people to buy this.

• 19:59Doug DeMuro?

  Would you? Isn't it $300,000?

• 20:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, $350,000.

• 20:01Speaker 04

  If you have $300,000...

• 20:03Speaker 03

  I'd buy this over Rolls-Royce Spectre.

• 20:05Doug DeMuro?

  Would you? It's not gonna be worth... In two days, it's gonna be worth $68,000.

• 20:08Speaker 04

  This looks very Lamborghini Espada-ish, Spottish, if you will.

• 20:11Speaker 03

  The Spottish. Nice.

• 20:13Speaker 04

  That's a kind of niche... Right, thank you. That's nice. It is... This is kind of a niche... It is incredibly niche vehicle.

• 20:20Doug DeMuro?

  It's another...

• 20:21Speaker 04

  Rolls-Royce is a very established car and will undoubtedly be more luxurious. And you can truly also do... You do all this bespoke stuff and it's a Rolls-Royce. People know what it is. There's no, like, weird explanation that you have to...

• 20:32Doug DeMuro?

  It's another failed halo car. We got the R8 sitting right there. It's another failed halo car.

• 20:36Speaker 03

  R8's a failed halo?

• 20:37Speaker 04

  No, that's what you should do.

• 20:38Doug DeMuro?

  Dream halo car. The R8 was the dream halo car. The Celestique... It's not even out yet, and I think it's incredibly cool. I agree with you that it's striking. I agree with you that I bet it's amazing, although they won't let me drive it. I'm gonna tell that story. But it is a failed halo car because you will never see one. It's like the LFA. Ultimately, it will never have the desired effect they want it to have on the brand because you will never see one of these cars.

• 20:59Speaker 04

  Just sitting in a showroom, collecting dust.

• 21:01Speaker 03

  Aren't you glad they built it, though?

• 21:03Doug DeMuro?

  Not really.

• 21:04Speaker 03

  They haven't built any of their other concepts.

• 21:06Doug DeMuro?

  They should've so clearly been doing a G-Wagon or been doing a CN or something like that. Can I tell my Cadillac story?

• 21:14Speaker 03

  Of course.

• 21:14Doug DeMuro?

  Please. Okay, I got two stories about Cadillac. Cadillac is... There are most of the brands I'm in pretty constant contact with, the auto brands. Not Cadillac. I can't get anybody in Cadillac to talk to me, okay? So, so I've been asking for an Escalade IQ to review for weeks and weeks. And I was going out of town. I was just gonna borrow one from a dealer. And finally, they were like, "We got one for you," even though it's been out for six months. Fine. They do the Celestique first drives, and I'm not on the list... To go to the, this is, I wanted to review this car desperately and no interest in getting me involved. They get Leno involved, okay? But I think they think Leno is gonna, not to knock Leno, but I suspect Leno's pretty positive towards the American brands. He loves that stuff. I think they realize he's probably gonna be a little more, but like, I'm gonna get the most views. Are they worried I'm gonna say bad things about the Celeste?

• 21:59Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not sure. I already have, I guess. So, um, so that's a shame. So I, I sent a note over to someone at corporate Cadillac because the local person, I, it's harder to get in touch with. And I sent a note to the corporate Cadillac and I said, hey, I want to do the Celeste. And they invited me out to Michigan in the fall to do Celeste and the new ZR1. And then I said, by the way, while I got you, I said, uh,

• 22:22Doug DeMuro?

  I'd love to do a video with the CN. Do you want to pull up the CN?

• 22:24Speaker 04

  While I've got you.

• 22:27Doug DeMuro?

  So the Cadillac CN was a, uh, was a concept supercar they made back in the day.

• 22:34Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 22:34Doug DeMuro?

  And they made, they made one of them and it was unveiled at the 2002 Detroit Auto Show and they were way ahead of RA. They could have just, they could have killed with this car.

• 22:42Speaker 04

  Really could have. And man, did that turn into their whole design language for the XLR.

• 22:47Doug DeMuro?

  Seven and a half liter North Star V12. So I said, I, we've talked about the car on the, on the, uh, on the show before. And so I said to Cadillac, I said, hey, while I got you, the CN had been on display for the last six months or so at the Peterson Museum in LA. And I said, since we're talking, do you think I could do a video with the CN? And they said, yeah, you could. And I said, by the way, uh, would you be willing to sell the CN to me? And, and I was kind of hoping they would say yes, because automakers in the past have sold their concept cars to people who were willing to be good stewards of them and like show them in events and show them in public. The car is irrelevant to Cadillac today. I mean, their, their next product portfolio was electric. They're not making a soup, like it's, it's not really a thing, right?

• 23:30Doug DeMuro?

  Like, and I thought, hey, maybe this would be my opportunity. Uh, and they specifically said the following, unfortunately, the CN is not for sale. You are not even the first person this year to ask about purchasing.

• 23:44Doug DeMuro?

  But I still hold out hope. So I'm gonna go out there in the fall and hopefully do a video on the CN, which I think they claim drives. And I'm gonna try to convince them to sell it to me. I'll even tell them, hey, look, I will bring it to events. Like, if you want it, if you need it, I'll, I'll, we can make that happen.

• 24:01Speaker 04

  We'll make it happen.

• 24:01Doug DeMuro?

  Because Ford did that with the GT90. Like, these concept cars get out. And I think it'd be cool.

• 24:05Speaker 04

  That's so cool. Actually, looking at here, the wheelbase is shorter than I thought. It looks like it's so long, but look how small the seat is. And like, it actually looks pretty small.

• 24:12Doug DeMuro?

  It's a pretty tight little car. It only weighed 3,300 pounds.

• 24:15Speaker 04

  Despite that you can't own it, just like the Atal Design Columbus, which is an integral part of Atal Design heritage. I am really looking forward to your reviews.

• 24:24Doug DeMuro?

  Why are all these companies trying to safeguard these concept cars? Like, what does Cadillac care if they have this anymore? Wouldn't they rather have the cash? What do you think it's worth?

• 24:30Speaker 04

  Oh, I don't know. That's a great question.

• 24:34Doug DeMuro?

  I have no idea.

• 24:35Speaker 04

  I would assume they would want, I'd assume they would ask a million for a million five, probably for it, something like that. But also, like, then if it does work, how do you make that engine run? I mean, it's so bespoke. It would be a real pain, I think.

• 24:48Doug DeMuro?

  You couldn't use it much.

• 24:49Speaker 04

  No, no, no.

• 24:50Doug DeMuro?

  And people don't really realize how ratty concept cars are. Like, they are not production cars. They are not made to run and drive. They often have fake things where screens and switches and buttons and dials would be. Usually, the body is kind of, the paint is really usually bad. It typically only has to last for a year. It often flakes and peels and...

• 25:12Speaker 04

  Are you sure that you could take it to like, one of these Hollywood companies that build these cars? You could make it work, I would say. Like, sort of. Enough that you could have fun with it.

• 25:18Doug DeMuro?

  I would, I would consider doing that.

• 25:21Speaker 04

  Showing up to cars, man, imagine showing up to cars and coffee.

• 25:24Doug DeMuro?

  So, I, it's, I hope that the conversation can continue, because I legitimately would be serious about this. I don't think I'd spend a million bucks on it, but it'd be cool.

• 25:33Speaker 04

  I'll tell you what, you'd rather have that than a Celeste.

• 25:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah. By the way, you know about Clove?

• 25:38Speaker 04

  I'm sorry?

• 25:39Doug DeMuro?

  Cadillac's SUV, electrical SUV lineup spells love.

• 25:42Speaker 04

  Sure. The lyric, the optic, the...

• 25:46Doug DeMuro?

  Vistic.

• 25:47Speaker 04

  The Vistic.

• 25:48Doug DeMuro?

  And the Escalade IQ. Love. Sure. And then if you add Celeste, it's Clove.

• 25:53Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 25:53Doug DeMuro?

  Bring us our next news.

• 25:55Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 25:55Doug DeMuro?

  Ah, yes, the ID Buzz. You got this.

• 25:58Speaker 04

  Roll today. All right, ID Buzz. All ID Buzzes have been recalled. For a crucial safety error, namely, the third row.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:08Speaker 04

  Uh huh.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  Has two seats.

• 26:10Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 26:10Speaker 03

  It is too wide to legally be two seats.

• 26:15Speaker 03

  That is all factually accurate.

• 26:16Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 26:17Speaker 03

  So what they're doing, it, it, the concern is that people will try to ride three across. There's only two seat belts. It's unsafe. And there are federal regulations around that. So what they're doing is they're recon all them. And they're going to add some plastic trim pieces in the middle to make.

• 26:30Speaker 04

  Oh, is it in the middle?

• 26:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. Which to make the seats smaller.

• 26:33Speaker 04

  Every single person who has a done will instantly take out.

• 26:37Doug DeMuro?

  You know, as a person whose vehicle um uh was uh suffered the fate of the recall. I um, you're not gonna. The Sequoia is recalled because the tow hitch cover fall off and mine fell off.

• 26:51Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:52Doug DeMuro?

  I feel that uh recalls are a very important component of the NHTSA, the safety industry in this country. And I, I hope that this recall is performed and performed admirably.

• 27:02Speaker 04

  Well, thank God all 75 that they've sold to people.

• 27:05Doug DeMuro?

  They have actually sold. It's actually interesting because when something like this happens, you can find out how many they've sold. They've, they've sold 50, they've got 5,700 that have come into the country. Some of those are probably.

• 27:13Speaker 04

  Wow, that's way more than I thought.

• 27:15Doug DeMuro?

  Um, now, remember the famous Audi TT killing people recall?

• 27:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:20Doug DeMuro?

  The one with the, the rear spoiler.

• 27:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:21Doug DeMuro?

  You know about this?

• 27:22Speaker 04

  No.

• 27:22Doug DeMuro?

  The original Audi TT, for the 2000 model, you know, when it first came out, it had a nice, smooth bottom. And uh at high speeds, it was unstable, so they put in a, they recalled them and put in a spoiler. But occasionally, if you're paying attention, you can still see TT driving around without the spoiler that never got the recall.

• 27:40Speaker 04

  Also, baseball stitching and smooth bottom.

• 27:41Doug DeMuro?

  Yep.

• 27:42Speaker 03

  And if you're.

• 27:43Speaker 04

  That's the TT enthusiast.

• 27:44Speaker 03

  Don't go too fast.

• 27:45Doug DeMuro?

  Don't go too fast, but, but appreciate your beauty.

• 27:47Speaker 03

  Right.

• 27:48Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. Next news story, please.

• 27:50Speaker 04

  Ah, yes. So now, the Pagani Zonda, in our lifetimes, they have discontinued production of this car. What, nine, 10,000 times, something like that? Well, they're making another one. They're going to do another one-off design of this car. And the only really interesting things to say about it is that it's blue and it has 789 horsepower. That's it. It really is no different to any others, other than they're going to continue making it. So like. I don't understand why.

• 28:20Doug DeMuro?

  Because rich people are paying $10 million for them to do this. The sad part of it is the Zonda was such a classy car.

• 28:27Speaker 04

  I know.

• 28:27Doug DeMuro?

  It was such a classy car.

• 28:28Speaker 04

  A C12S, like a silver C12S. Harry MacCaffrey.

• 28:32Doug DeMuro?

  Such a classy car. A nice, original C12 Zonda was such a beautiful, classy, like, special car. And now, look at that. That car, it was excessively styled, but in the cool way that a supercar is excessively styled.

• 28:46Speaker 04

  Right, and on it, yes. And then you look at this thing, and it's just, it's like.

• 28:50Doug DeMuro?

  It's such a shame. We've lived long enough to see them ruin a car. Like, imagine if Jag had taken all the E-types and made them bad.

• 28:58Speaker 04

  Well, that's, that's.

• 28:59Doug DeMuro?

  The 12-year-olds watching hate this take. They think this is the coolest thing in the world, and the Wira too. And I, I'm a guy who doesn't like giant wings and blue carbon and blue wheels and all this other adornment. These, whatever, what is happening back here?

• 29:12Speaker 04

  I, it's, it's a lot.

• 29:14Doug DeMuro?

  It's just such a shame. Pagani, Pagani is a manufacturer of cars for these types of people, you know?

• 29:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 29:19Doug DeMuro?

  It seems to me like whenever there's a massive raid or drug bust and you look at the list of seized vehicles, they often have a Wira.

• 29:29Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, that's exactly right. And it's such, they're such a small manufacturer. And let's be honest, I don't think the Utopia is selling in quantity. So if someone's gonna come and give you $10 million to build one of these, sure, you're gonna take it, you're gonna do it. Some would say that maybe they should have just continued to build these cars.

• 29:45Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I mean, sure.

• 29:46Speaker 04

  It's clear, if this is what people want, then keep building it.

• 29:49Doug DeMuro?

  This was such a special car, and they're doing this on existing bodies. And, and, and that's the sad thing. Like, it's so sad to me that, that this car that like had its run and had its day in the sun and was like this vaunted thing is now becoming this like piece of jewelry for really tasteless. I mean, can you think of a, type in Pagani Wira? Here's a challenge for you. Type in Pagani Wira and try to find a spec that is tasteful. It's, it's hard. I don't know that there has, I've never seen one.

• 30:13Speaker 04

  Just a red launch spec.

• 30:15Doug DeMuro?

  That one looks nice, actually.

• 30:16Speaker 04

  Yeah, actually, that, this was one of the ones.

• 30:19Doug DeMuro?

  But like, you look at a lot of what these are when you see them at Car Week and when you see them riding on Montana plates, wherever.

• 30:24Speaker 04

  Mm-hmm.

• 30:25Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 30:25Speaker 04

  CBS.

• 30:27Doug DeMuro?

  And it's like a lot of algo stuff. Keep scrolling.

• 30:29Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 30:30Doug DeMuro?

  They're often like pretty rough. That one actually looks good.

• 30:32Speaker 04

  That one looks pretty good.

• 30:33Doug DeMuro?

  That is a disaster. That is a disaster. That is a disaster. That is a disaster.

• 30:39Speaker 04

  Et cetera.

• 30:40Doug DeMuro?

  It's just a shame. I think the Zonda is one of the coolest cars in the world and with each one more of these, I think less of that.

• 30:45Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's, that's not untrue. It's just, I could not, I couldn't believe that they're doing yet another one, even though I remember when Top Gear was on the air in like 2007. Or whatever, 12 or 15, whatever.

• 30:56Doug DeMuro?

  But that's the benefit if you're a small volume manufacturer, like you can do this and, and, and make a lot of money doing it. And so I would do it if I were them too.

• 31:03Speaker 04

  But, and I don't know, do I want to let the Zonda die? I don't know about that, but like, it just is like kind of an eye roll.

• 31:09Doug DeMuro?

  I want to go to Horatio and say, hey, man, silver, silver, regular wheels.

• 31:13Speaker 04

  He would say that, and then he would look to his assistant, he understands English, but his assistant would translate anyway. And then he tells him in Italian.

• 31:20Doug DeMuro?

  That's his conspiracy theory about Horatio.

• 31:21Speaker 04

  I've seen a video of him with Harry Metcalfe, I'm speaking fluent English in the car driving like.

• 31:26Doug DeMuro?

  But at Car Week, he's like, I don't speak English. He doesn't want to talk to all the 12 year olds.

• 31:29Speaker 04

  It's his thing, yeah.

• 31:30Doug DeMuro?

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• 32:12Doug DeMuro?

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• 33:27Speaker 04

  Got lots to talk.

• 33:27Doug DeMuro?

  We have the Talk Cars segment. We have to talk about cars. Talk Cars segment this week is brought to you by Filippo Following the Rules. Oh, Filippo Following the Rules.

• 33:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, I love that.

• 33:36Doug DeMuro?

  Greatest part of Filippo's day.

• 33:38Speaker 04

  Well, no, I mean.

• 33:39Speaker 03

  Every day.

• 33:39Speaker 04

  Yes, I would say the single greatest part of him today is his giraffe shirt that he's wearing.

• 33:42Speaker 03

  It's an honor of Doug.

• 33:43Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay. I want to start off with the Jerry Seinfeld thing. You saw this? Did you watch this?

• 33:48Speaker 03

  No.

• 33:48Doug DeMuro?

  Spike's Car Radio, the finest automotive podcast.

• 33:51Speaker 03

  We do love.

• 33:52Doug DeMuro?

  No, Ferris is the best podcast.

• 33:54Speaker 03

  We also love.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 33:55Doug DeMuro?

  I think. Is there any better one that I'm missing? The Car Mom is my favorite.

• 33:58Speaker 03

  Obviously.

• 33:59Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, you're not gonna help me out here.

• 34:00Speaker 03

  No.

• 34:01Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, uh, because you want me to say it's ours, but it's not.

• 34:03Speaker 04

  Smoking tire all the way.

• 34:05Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so I'm watching, um, the Spike podcast the other day, and he's got Seinfeld on, and he asked Seinfeld, would you rather have, you're gonna love this story, would you rather have a Carrera G2 or 918? And Seinfeld, who's now 71, by the way, uh, says 918. And Spike, who, Spike, who I am quite aligned with, to be perfectly honest, with his car interests and often his takes about stuff. I think he's a pretty reasonable guy.

• 34:29Speaker 03

  And tennis.

• 34:30Doug DeMuro?

  And tennis.

• 34:30Speaker 03

  And tennis.

• 34:31Doug DeMuro?

  Spike goes, really? Like, he's obviously like, what are you talking about? Like, he's really? And then he says, why? And without missing a beat, instantly, Spike goes, why? And Jerry goes, it's easier.

• 34:42Doug DeMuro?

  And Jerry goes on to elaborate that not only is the 918 easier, but it's also better built and faster due to the hybrid, easier to drive faster due to the hybrid technology.

• 34:54Speaker 04

  All true.

• 34:55Speaker 03

  So is the model.

• 34:56Doug DeMuro?

  And I'm sitting here watching this and I'm thinking, these are all the reasons that I prefer the Carrera GT. Yeah, it's harder. It's harder.

• 35:04Speaker 04

  Yeah, of course.

• 35:05Doug DeMuro?

  It's a manual. It's a tough clutch. It's low. It's, it's, it's, it's a carbon chassis. You're hearing all the little rocks everywhere you go. It's, it's stiff.

• 35:11Speaker 04

  Right. It was the best they could build in 2005, 20 years. I mean, that was 10 years before the.

• 35:16Doug DeMuro?

  It's not tip.

• 35:18Speaker 04

  It's not tip.

• 35:18Doug DeMuro?

  The, the, the funny thing, and it's interesting because there was also a thread this week on the rentless supercar section. Somebody was asking whether they should buy a 918 or a Carrera GT. And my general feeling on this is if you're asking that question, you should buy a 918. If you, if you, because you're, if you don't understand what makes the Carrera GT, the Carrera GT, it's not for you. Buy the one that's easier. And I, but I was surprised to see Jerry espousing this too. He's such a Porsche guy. And the Carrera GT is better because it's more difficult, because it's more of, clearly more of a driver's car. Yes, it is not as fast in a straight line. That's kind of why I prefer it. The, the 918 is a point and shoot, rich guy's fast car. You know, Carrera GT requires real effort.

• 36:01Doug DeMuro?

  And I was thinking about this more, and one of the things that hit me about Carrera GT in the last week, since I watched this is Carrera GT is not a car for Porsche people. It's not a Porsche for Porsche.

• 36:11Speaker 04

  Oh, interesting.

• 36:11Doug DeMuro?

  It is just not a typical Porsche in the way that Porsches are. It is, it is more difficult to own. It is more fragile. It is more expensive to own. And also it has a massive engine, the biggest engine Porsche's ever made to this day. It's just, and they were basically all silver or gray. Like they don't like the fact that there's no special version with the stitching and a little, little air vent slats in blue. And I think that Porsche people, and I, a lot of the guys I know who have Carrera GTs, do not have any other Porsches, none. And a lot of the guys that I know with Porsche collections don't have a Carrera GT. And it has started to kind of hit me that like the Carrera GT isn't a Porsche for Porsche people. It is more dramatic, louder, more emotional, more temperamental.

• 36:55Doug DeMuro?

  And I, with that mindset, it has started to reach me why a guy like Jerry, who's so Porsche obsessed to the little detail kind of things, maybe wouldn't like a car like the Carrera GT that requires a little bit more sort of Italian-ness to operate it.

• 37:10Speaker 04

  So you said the nuance, and the nuance to it is, is because it's fabulous to drive. Like it is, is the nuance than it is more for drivers who want character?

• 37:20Doug DeMuro?

  It's a little more technical. Yeah, it's a little more technical, a little bit more characterful. And, and as a result, has this reputation for being kind of a sketchy car if you don't know how to handle it. But I think for a guy like, like a Jerry or a Porsche guy, who's kind of used to these cars being a little underpowered and, and quite controllable, I think a Carrera GT is maybe not necessarily for them. And I think to, in it, to an extent, it is therefore sort of a non-Porsche car that happens to be a Porsche. And you have to go at it with more of an exotic car kind of attitude.

• 37:54Speaker 04

  Which is so interesting because in its contemporaries that I would put in that category, it's by far the most sedate and normal and easy to use.

• 38:03Doug DeMuro?

  But compare it to 959, which is such a Porsche supercar, right? Such a Porsche.

• 38:08Speaker 04

  Some of us feel because it's just a 911 that looks like it has.

• 38:10Doug DeMuro?

  It's a puffy 911. Yeah, it's a puffy, it's a marshmallow 911.

• 38:15Speaker 04

  That's my impression of a 959. You just take it, you just go.

• 38:19Doug DeMuro?

  It's a puffy 911 and it had all this tech, right? But it was a very 911 drivable car, whereas an F40 was so emotional.

• 38:27Speaker 04

  That's true.

• 38:28Doug DeMuro?

  Carrera GT is the most sedate looking, but I would argue compared to Enzo and SLR, it, it is either the most or up there with the most, kind of emotional and crazy and in your face and insane, what you actually get behind the wheel. And if you're looking for easier, which a lot of Porsches provide that, they provide this amazing confluence of livability and performance. The Carrera GT does not provide that like other Porsches do.

• 38:52Speaker 04

  Very interesting. I just, all that you're talking about, it just takes me back to that Evo video that Evo did about comparing the analog supercars and the Carrera GT was very firmly on that list. And again-

• 39:04Doug DeMuro?

  Second place after the McLaren F1.

• 39:06Speaker 04

  Yes, which you could say British bias all you want.

• 39:09Doug DeMuro?

  No, I'm willing to concede to the McLaren F1. That's a car that no one will ever, we'll never be able to drive it to find out, so.

• 39:15Speaker 04

  Right, just had, yeah, that one had 100,000 miles on it, we'll move on.

• 39:18Doug DeMuro?

  But I am willing to concede to the McLaren F1, but it is interesting that all those guys got together and made that determination. And they had the greatest drivers' cars in the world there. F40, F50, Murcielago, McLaren F1.

• 39:29Speaker 04

  Zonda.

• 39:30Doug DeMuro?

  Zonda.

• 39:30Speaker 04

  And then, and the Noble M600 or whatever that-

• 39:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 39:34Speaker 04

  Right.

• 39:35Doug DeMuro?

  British.

• 39:35Speaker 04

  British, British journalists, yeah. But, but no, but that's the point. It's in, it's so above all the other Porsches, it's in a kind of a league of its own.

• 39:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 39:43Speaker 04

  And it is, but yes, you're, I think-

• 39:45Doug DeMuro?

  But it requires more care, more detail, and if you're into the typical Porsche ethos of ease and of usability, like Jerry has become accustomed to with dozens of other Porsches, it doesn't offer that.

• 39:56Speaker 04

  Yeah, you say that. The man had a 917. Like, Jerry's kind of experienced the hard, difficult cars that there are to use. And I understand, like, he's already done it. And like, these days, more than 918, that's what more appeals to him. And I get that. But it's not like he doesn't like analog cars. I mean, he has had many of them.

• 40:13Speaker 03

  Perhaps when you're 71, you too will prefer the 918.

• 40:16Doug DeMuro?

  And I wonder if that plays a role also. Because he just got rid of that 917, right? Isn't that the guy?

• 40:20Speaker 04

  Yes, he did.

• 40:20Doug DeMuro?

  You wonder if maybe some of these cars are starting to kind of be on their way out. And the feeling of driving a car like the Carrera GT is not as desirable anymore, considering that it's, the speed is even more accessible in the 918.

• 40:31Speaker 04

  Well, maybe one day after your knees have taken all the abuse of playing tennis, that will come for your Carrera GT and the 918 will be-

• 40:36Doug DeMuro?

  Could you imagine choosing a 918 over a Carrera GT in any situation? Especially at current market value.

• 40:41Speaker 04

  No, absolutely not.

• 40:43Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, Filippo, tell us the truth about life.

• 40:46Speaker 03

  It's time to sell my Fiat 500 to Barth Cabriolet.

• 40:48Doug DeMuro?

  Damn.

• 40:49Speaker 03

  Damn.

• 40:49Doug DeMuro?

  It's time.

• 40:50Speaker 04

  It was it. Let me ask you a question. Was it because I cleaned it and you saw how good it looks? And you're like, I can't, I can't do this. I can't handle the pressure.

• 40:57Doug DeMuro?

  Ruin this car.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  No, I mean, that contributed, although I've noticed that my wife has been driving it a lot more since you cleaned it. So that's something. I've had it for two, a little bit over two years. Actually, I have to renew registration today.

• 41:12Doug DeMuro?

  Honoring veterans.

• 41:13Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's, it's fine. We've driven it not that much. I only use it to drive here from my house and to Cars and Coffee sometimes. And it just isn't as good as my other cars. It just isn't like an interesting experience.

• 41:26Doug DeMuro?

  You said you enjoyed having three cars in case you wanted an extra.

• 41:28Speaker 03

  Something else.

• 41:29Doug DeMuro?

  Oh.

• 41:29Speaker 03

  I don't know what yet. I don't know what yet.

• 41:32Speaker 04

  Does the, the next car does begin with a C and rhyme with orvet?

• 41:35Doug DeMuro?

  No. He's never gonna do that. He's never gonna do that. He'll get an Accura ILX A-spec.

• 41:41Speaker 04

  As a third car.

• 41:43Speaker 03

  I want something older. I would like, like an older SUV. Sounds interesting.

• 41:46Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, wow.

• 41:47Speaker 03

  An older something.

• 41:48Doug DeMuro?

  An AS90.

• 41:49Speaker 03

  The prices are down.

• 41:50Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, they are.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  Unfortunately, I have driven one and therefore I have no interest in owning one.

• 41:54Doug DeMuro?

  Everybody who has one of those only ever has one in their lives.

• 41:57Speaker 03

  I, I just, the Fiat I've used, I'm kind of tired of that experience. It just, it's a great car and sounds great and it's fun, but it's not.

• 42:07Speaker 03

  Just isn't that competent.

• 42:08Doug DeMuro?

  Suburban.

• 42:08Speaker 04

  And it's not nice. I don't, I mean, like, that's kind of the purpose of it.

• 42:12Speaker 03

  It's buzzy and rough.

• 42:14Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 42:15Speaker 03

  It's not even real speed. It's cheap and fun. It, it, for years, it felt so right. Like, I drove the way that car, the way you should drive it, which is to say aggressively and rudely.

• 42:27Speaker 04

  I was expecting it.

• 42:28Speaker 03

  Primarily. I know, but I didn't want to say it. But now I think I'm done with that and it's gonna come on Cars and Bids soon. Ken, I'm probably gonna clean it again for me.

• 42:35Doug DeMuro?

  Ken will clean it again.

• 42:36Speaker 03

  And then we'll take it photos.

• 42:37Doug DeMuro?

  You'll get it sold. What is it gonna sell for?

• 42:39Speaker 03

  Oh, not a lot.

• 42:40Doug DeMuro?

  It only has 54,000. Pull up the 500.

• 42:43Speaker 03

  A Cabriolet in a while.

• 42:45Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, yeah, that I'm sure that is a big determination.

• 42:47Speaker 03

  Um, but my guess is that it'll sell in the $7,000 range.

• 42:50Doug DeMuro?

  7,000 bucks.

• 42:52Speaker 03

  And it might be a little less than that.

• 42:53Doug DeMuro?

  That's actually a pretty damn good number for seven, for a pretty damn good car for 7 grand.

• 42:57Speaker 03

  That's the right color, but not a cab.

• 42:59Speaker 04

  Not the right.

• 42:59Speaker 03

  That's a cab.

• 43:00Doug DeMuro?

  This is your car.

• 43:01Speaker 03

  With how many miles?

• 43:02Speaker 04

  95, 9.

• 43:04Speaker 03

  As 54,000.

• 43:05Doug DeMuro?

  Aren't you gonna miss that great shifter?

• 43:07Speaker 03

  That shifter is so good.

• 43:08Doug DeMuro?

  The shifter positioning is great.

• 43:10Speaker 03

  The feel is great.

• 43:12Doug DeMuro?

  The weight of that shifter.

• 43:13Speaker 03

  Okay, my car is not the nicest. For 54,000 miles, it is worn.

• 43:17Doug DeMuro?

  They all are a little worn. They were pretty badly built little cars.

• 43:20Speaker 04

  He very generously let me borrow that for a little while when I was away at the spa.

• 43:25Speaker 03

  Getting fixed, yeah.

• 43:27Speaker 04

  And he, you know, it's, yeah, the shifter is not great.

• 43:31Speaker 03

  I will be.

• 43:32Speaker 04

  And the throttle is weird.

• 43:33Doug DeMuro?

  It's also buzzy and crashy. It's fun, but like, it's a fun at a certain age and a certain time of your life and

• 43:40Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 43:40Doug DeMuro?

  the giraffe is moving on.

• 43:42Speaker 03

  I will be very clear in the auction listing too that I've driven it aggressively for the last two years and it's gotten oil changes.

• 43:49Doug DeMuro?

  Has it?

• 43:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:50Doug DeMuro?

  You did oil changes?

• 43:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's it.

• 43:52Speaker 04

  Once every 15, 20,000.

• 43:53Doug DeMuro?

  Is anything broken?

• 43:55Speaker 03

  Uh, only the armrest, which is true on all of them.

• 43:58Doug DeMuro?

  All the 500s, yeah, I remember that.

• 43:59Speaker 03

  Nothing else is actively broken.

• 44:00Speaker 04

  And the.

• 44:01Speaker 03

  Is it on the precipice of breaking? Maybe.

• 44:03Speaker 04

  You have some panel work we can do on the other side, but.

• 44:05Doug DeMuro?

  The problem is you're gonna sell this one like that we did with the Kia and you're gonna sell it to somebody who's never heard of us and then they're gonna be like, this car is messed up. You sold me a lemon.

• 44:12Speaker 03

  The known flaw section will be.

• 44:14Doug DeMuro?

  Be long, exhaustive.

• 44:15Speaker 03

  And also vague.

• 44:17Speaker 04

  Maybe we'll put that caveat.

• 44:18Doug DeMuro?

  The whole car. Uh, okay, that's interesting. I'm ready for it to go. What do you, what do you think about doing this?

• 44:24Speaker 03

  Soon.

• 44:24Doug DeMuro?

  Like next week or two?

• 44:26Speaker 03

  Uh, next month.

• 44:27Doug DeMuro?

  In the next month, this thing's gone. So when I, you're not gonna have it here in the fall.

• 44:30Speaker 03

  I'm so sorry.

• 44:31Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 44:32Speaker 03

  We'll miss out. I gotta figure out what I want instead, because having three cars is nice.

• 44:35Doug DeMuro?

  As a third car, can I make a suggestion for you? Type in, uh, type in Land Cruiser.

• 44:40Speaker 03

  No.

• 44:41Doug DeMuro?

  You know, I've been getting on Land Cruisers again lately.

• 44:43Speaker 03

  100 Series or what?

• 44:44Doug DeMuro?

  Go to, what, look at that. Go up to that. Go up to that. Can you buy this? You see this?

• 44:48Speaker 03

  No.

• 44:48Doug DeMuro?

  It's got a 60 series front end, but it's an 80 series. Doesn't that mess with your mind? This is Hawaii plates. Dude, is this in Hawaii? Buy this.

• 44:54Speaker 03

  No, it's in California.

• 44:55Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, what a shame. Go back. Keep going down. There's a couple that, okay, you should buy that Dark Red 100 series. That's the greatest car ever made.

• 45:03Speaker 03

  This is the greatest Toyota ever produced.

• 45:05Speaker 04

  I could see with a Hundo, Filippo.

• 45:07Speaker 03

  I do love the Hundo.

• 45:08Doug DeMuro?

  What about a nice 70?

• 45:09Speaker 03

  No.

• 45:10Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 45:10Speaker 03

  You're not, I don't require Montana. I don't Montana things. I can't resort to.

• 45:14Doug DeMuro?

  You could do South Dakota.

• 45:15Speaker 03

  I do, I've been weirdly drawn to first gen Nissan Pathfinders.

• 45:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, I mean, it's hard to find a nice one.

• 45:22Speaker 03

  There's some around on Facebook Marketplace primarily. We sold a very nice one. No, I mean, they're nice.

• 45:29Doug DeMuro?

  We sold this incredible one.

• 45:30Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 45:30Doug DeMuro?

  Absolutely incredible.

• 45:31Speaker 03

  That one was incredible. But imagine that.

• 45:33Doug DeMuro?

  But you don't want this because you don't want to, you want to be able to use it.

• 45:35Speaker 03

  I want one that is.

• 45:36Doug DeMuro?

  Have you ever driven this car?

• 45:37Speaker 03

  No. I've driven other old SUVs. They're all bad.

• 45:40Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. So you're making fun of the NAS 90, but like.

• 45:43Speaker 03

  But like this.

• 45:44Doug DeMuro?

  These weren't, when I was a kid, we had an Isuzu Rodeo until I was 15 years old, which essentially is this car, right? I mean, they're not literally the same, but I'm going to promise you the drive. If I, if I blindfolded you and put you, you would have no, you couldn't tell the difference between a rodeo, a Pathfinder, a trooper, a Blazer from that era, all those cars were crashy and plastic and slow and loud.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  And cloth seats that was so unfirm.

• 46:09Speaker 04

  Yeah, right. You want the hard driving experience of a current GT. He wants a little first gen Pathfinder.

• 46:14Speaker 03

  I drive.

• 46:15Doug DeMuro?

  He wants to earn that.

• 46:16Speaker 03

  I drive the Fiat to the, when we had the Toyota pickup truck that we sold on Cars a Bit, we had it here at the office. I had to drive it to the shop or to get smog or some of that. And you're just so calm driving that because you know you can't go fast. You have great visibility. You're not optimizing for speed or handling. You're just cruising.

• 46:33Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 46:34Speaker 03

  And I take the Fiat 100 bars from here to my house.

• 46:36Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 46:37Speaker 03

  And I have better cars for when I actually want to drive somewhere.

• 46:39Doug DeMuro?

  Can I, if you want a vintage SUV, can I make a suggestion?

• 46:41Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:42Doug DeMuro?

  First gen Q7.

• 46:45Speaker 03

  Let's move on.

• 46:45Doug DeMuro?

  Takes you back.

• 46:46Speaker 03

  Let's move on. I hate that generation.

• 46:48Doug DeMuro?

  Will you, really?

• 46:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:50Doug DeMuro?

  Will you have this SUV in a couple of months?

• 46:52Speaker 03

  I make absolutely no promises.

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• 47:38Doug DeMuro?

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• 48:20Speaker 03

  I have neither watched the video nor read the comments yet, but I will because I love the idea of the teletruck.

• 48:26Doug DeMuro?

  Teletruck. Doug DeMuro, the first thing that comes up is a Volvo. Oh, he does. All right, so teletruck, posted the video, teletruck video, and every one of the comments, you don't have to show them because someone got into the foul language, you know? But every one of the comments said the same thing, which was, I can't believe you're calling this affordable at a $40,000 price point. And, and I gotta say, like YouTube commenters have, and then, then, then inevitably it becomes Doug is so rich, he's lost the plot, he doesn't know what affordable is. The average new car is like $52,000 now. For four seats, 0 to 60 in four seconds and a six-foot bed, this, and fully electric, this is an affordable vehicle. I hate to say it, like this is where the market is. You can say that I'm wrong all you want, but the data is not wrong.

• 49:12Doug DeMuro?

  And when you, I would be also curious what the average price of a new pickup truck is, which I bet is well above the $52,000 number.

• 49:19Speaker 03

  The Mini Cooper starts at 30.

• 49:21Doug DeMuro?

  The Mini Cooper starts at 30.

• 49:23Speaker 03

  Four-cylinder Mini Cooper.

• 49:24Doug DeMuro?

  What's a base Camry? My dad in 98.

• 49:28Doug DeMuro?

  Bought a mid-trim Camry LE. That was the mid-trim for 19.5.

• 49:32Speaker 03

  29.

• 49:33Doug DeMuro?

  29 base for a base base Camry. So for 40 for this truck, which has in theory, because it's not in production and it may never be, but in theory, which has 800 horsepower, some ridiculous number and, and four full-size, you know, two, four doors and a full bed and all, it's fast.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  And it's electric.

• 49:50Doug DeMuro?

  To get this thing at 40 grand, that is affordable, whether or not you want to admit it in today's market with today's automotive pricing, this is what we call affordable.

• 49:58Speaker 03

  By the way, the BZ4X, which is Toyota's smallest EV.

• 50:03Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 50:04Speaker 03

  MSRP 37.

• 50:05Doug DeMuro?

  Really? And that's a terrible car that is slower than this, with worse range than this, with worse practicality than this, and it's uglier not only than this, but than every car ever conceived.

• 50:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:18Speaker 03

  We all agree.

• 50:19Doug DeMuro?

  And it has a terrible name. You forgot the lowercase b. I forgot to say that.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  Well.

• 50:25Doug DeMuro?

  40 grand. That's affordable. That's affordable now. This is the world we live in. It's not my fault. It's not my fault. The average new car is over $50,000. The YouTube commenters who are all driving Ford Crown Victorias from 1997 can't wrap their heads around this. But if you look for a new car, you understand that this is actually a pretty good number for 40 grand.

• 50:44Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 50:44Doug DeMuro?

  Go get a Kia Sorento, $48,000 now.

• 50:47Speaker 03

  Right.

• 50:47Doug DeMuro?

  You get a Hyundai Santa Fe, it's $52,000 now. You get a Kia Telluride, it's $68,000 now.

• 50:55Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 50:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. Trustworthy numbers.

• 50:57Doug DeMuro?

  You know what I saw on the road today? A brand new G90, Genesis G90.

• 51:01Speaker 03

  You did?

• 51:02Doug DeMuro?

  Brand new. Brand new.

• 51:03Speaker 03

  Which fleet did they buy for?

• 51:05Doug DeMuro?

  I was astonished that it looked like it.

• 51:07Speaker 03

  I was hoping it was the M5.

• 51:08Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, the new M5?

• 51:10Speaker 03

  G90.

• 51:10Doug DeMuro?

  Seen one.

• 51:11Speaker 03

  I haven't seen one of those.

• 51:12Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, G90, yeah, that's the other G90. Okay, we gotta now move on to the market report. The market report where we talk about the market trends. It's brought to you by the Cars and Bids app. No, it's brought to you by the Cars and Bids sort function.

• 51:26Speaker 03

  Ooh.

• 51:26Doug DeMuro?

  Where you can sort truck, manual, years. It's great stuff.

• 51:31Speaker 03

  These are called filters, but you can sort by whether it's newest, listed, closest to you, etc.

• 51:35Doug DeMuro?

  Called. It's too complicated for me personally.

• 51:39Doug DeMuro?

  Market report.

• 51:40Speaker 03

  Market report.

• 51:42Doug DeMuro?

  I want to talk about the Kia EV6. Can you pull up the EV6?

• 51:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, wild.

• 51:46Doug DeMuro?

  This is a Kia EV6. Kenan's sitting over here saying, "Kia EV6, that sounds boring." "Not really. Pull it up. Pull up this one, this little guy." "We sold this a couple of weeks ago. Went to the middle." "We sold this a couple of weeks ago." "All right, looks like it's in Connecticut. Looks like a Kia EV6." "This car sold for $31,000 United States dollars." "Do you know how much power this has?"

• 52:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's in the subtitle. It's 576 horsepower.

• 52:07Doug DeMuro?

  This has 575 horsepower. "This does 0-60 in, I'm not exaggerating, 3 seconds."

• 52:15Speaker 03

  0.2.

• 52:16Doug DeMuro?

  3.2?

• 52:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:18Doug DeMuro?

  Faster than Carrion GT, faster than Enzo. "This is a $30,000 car."

• 52:23Speaker 04

  "Such is the rate of progress."

• 52:24Doug DeMuro?

  "I understand that electric cars, in general, too enthusiastic and all that, desirable, etc., "but I happen to find the EV6 very good-looking." "Remember, its design inspiration was, do you remember, Lancia Stratos."

• 52:36Speaker 03

  Right. You can tell.

• 52:38Doug DeMuro?

  $30,000.

• 52:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. Also, it may be, I don't know for sure, but it may be eligible for the used EV tax credit if you don't.

• 52:46Doug DeMuro?

  There's a used EV tax credit?

• 52:47Speaker 03

  There sure is.

• 52:47Doug DeMuro?

  Damn. In the federally?

• 52:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 52:50Speaker 04

  Yes, isn't it based on your income level?

• 52:51Speaker 03

  It does phase out based on income at a different level than the used tax credit.

• 52:55Doug DeMuro?

  This is 575, 0-60 in 3.2. This is wild. "This car is what, 2 years old?"

• 53:01Speaker 03

  Why don't I own this?

• 53:02Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah!

• 53:03Speaker 04

  Third car, car number 3, Filippo.

• 53:05Doug DeMuro?

  Kenan, I understand that you're not an EV guy, but you've got to admit there's an incredible value.

• 53:09Speaker 04

  I'm not an EV guy only because I don't, it doesn't quite work because I have nowhere to charge it. That's the only, I would have an EV because I'd drive back and forth not very far and it would be kind of nice. This would be amazing.

• 53:20Doug DeMuro?

  575 horsepower. This isn't, because other EV6s sell, we know they're depreciated, whatever, "but they're usually the GT line or just a regular EV6." "The GTs, the actual GTs, which is roughly equivalent to the ION5 N, "is actually quite a rare car." "So I was very curious when this came up to see what it would sell for, "and the answer is 31."

• 53:38Speaker 03

  Very little.

• 53:39Doug DeMuro?

  "This is affordable. Screw the Tello truck."

• 53:41Speaker 03

  Right.

• 53:41Doug DeMuro?

  "Get one of these."

• 53:43Speaker 03

  Sorry, Tello.

• 53:43Speaker 04

  I mean, and this one, the crumple zones aren't your knees, so that's, that's good.

• 53:48Doug DeMuro?

  You know, people say that, but the smart, you ever see the smart car get in an accident? You see those videos?

• 53:52Speaker 03

  Trident cell.

• 53:53Speaker 04

  I have. They are pretty sick.

• 53:54Speaker 03

  Trident cell, excuse me.

• 53:55Doug DeMuro?

  I thought they just called it the safety cell.

• 53:57Speaker 03

  No, they had a name for it.

• 53:57Doug DeMuro?

  Trident cell. That's made up. All right, great deal. Ken, and tell us about CLS.

• 54:03Speaker 04

  Ah, yes. So recent, I've been looking at 55 chart, you know, the, the generation 55 power Mercedes, E55, the W211 and stuff like that. Those are, you know, kind of 15, get you one of those 20 for a good one. We just sold the CLS 55 for $9,700. Now, it did have miles on it, 140,000 miles, but it had good, good maintenance history, no accidents on the carfax. Like, it was in a not heavily modified, like it seemed like a pretty nice car. And I think for sub $10,000, not only is that a very serious car, because that's real performance, I think it's also one of the most, it's one of the best looking, that silhouette is gorgeous. And I just, I remember when this, when this car came out,

• 54:47Speaker 04

  I would take pictures of it. I have like bad self-reliance pictures in period, absolutely. Because I just thought it's like, wow, this is a serious car. And now, like, they are really, really, really cheap. And I don't think that's necessarily warranted. I think it's really cool.

• 55:00Doug DeMuro?

  Here's a fun fact about this car. This was the first 06 model. It came out like January 11 of 05.

• 55:07Doug DeMuro?

  I agree with you completely. Also worth calling out, this particular powertrain is reliable. That's why you're looking.

• 55:14Speaker 04

  The M113K is an enormously reliable engine, and you can get a lot more power out of them than they had factory. Like, they're very robust. And that platform that is shared with the E55 AMG is renowned for being very, very solid.

• 55:27Doug DeMuro?

  Drawbacks to this car, I would say, the E55s are more practical, because it's only had two backseats.

• 55:34Speaker 04

  But I'm a single guy.

• 55:35Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, for you. Also, though, the other, to me, the other issue is, a lot of these were bought by folks who I wouldn't necessarily want to have the same car as. Do you know what I'm saying? Do you kind of understand what I'm saying?

• 55:46Speaker 04

  Expand a little more for us.

• 55:47Doug DeMuro?

  Well, they got, a lot of them got lowered with some mods that I'm not sure about, with some exhaust that I'm not sure about. A lot of these are going state ref, let's just say.

• 55:56Speaker 04

  I agree generally, but this one seems pretty stock.

• 56:00Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, no, this one, this one looks like a fairly nice one.

• 56:02Speaker 04

  But again.

• 56:02Doug DeMuro?

  How many miles are on it?

• 56:03Speaker 04

  A hundred and forty.

• 56:04Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, which is proof, by the way, that this is a relatively reliable car.

• 56:08Speaker 04

  I mean, how baller is that for ten grand?

• 56:10Doug DeMuro?

  I actually got up behind one of these yesterday. I was in the Cragg City on the freeway. And it had an old vanity plate, old California vanity plate that was like the guy's name and then fifty-five. And I, I wouldn't be shocked if he bought it new.

• 56:20Speaker 04

  But it was real.

• 56:21Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 56:22Speaker 04

  That's cool. Yeah. I, I just think that they're really cool cars. I've always loved them and I'm just astonished.

• 56:27Doug DeMuro?

  For that money and for that level of performance, four hundred and sixty-nine horsepower, right? Or was it more than?

• 56:31Speaker 04

  Yeah, no, four sixty-nine.

• 56:32Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, they're cool. And it became a CLS sixty-three pretty quick and that motor is not as trustworthy.

• 56:37Speaker 04

  That, yeah, I think that's putting it mildly. Um, but yeah, look at, look at this. It is, yeah, I'm in love with this car. I mean, what a bargain.

• 56:45Doug DeMuro?

  It is a nice shape. I actually like the second gen CLS shape more, but this was, this was the bargain and the powertrain to have.

• 56:51Speaker 04

  Yep, totally agree.

• 56:52Doug DeMuro?

  So you're gonna buy one? That, that picture there, that, that line, that three, I mean, that line is a nice looking car.

• 56:57Speaker 04

  Such a defined and beautiful.

• 56:59Doug DeMuro?

  It was the E-Class but attractive. And I remember that was the general feeling at the time.

• 57:03Speaker 04

  Yeah, yeah, totally agree.

• 57:04Doug DeMuro?

  Unfortunately, I don't love the front end, but I've never loved.

• 57:07Speaker 04

  You know, it's, it's nine nine sixty. You have to kind of be into the weird headlight thing, which I'm fine with.

• 57:11Doug DeMuro?

  It's a nice looking car, though. I haven't thought about this car in a long time and it's a nice looking car. It really is. It aged a lot better than either of the E-classes in this era.

• 57:18Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 57:19Doug DeMuro?

  The two eleven or the two twelve.

• 57:20Speaker 04

  Well, I love it too.

• 57:21Doug DeMuro?

  No, I like the two eleven a lot too, but like it looks like it's of its era, I think, more than this car does.

• 57:26Speaker 04

  That's, that's fair.

• 57:26Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 57:27Speaker 04

  That's very fair.

• 57:27Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, we gotta move on to questions. We have questions and they are from people. Folks, questions this week were the best we've ever had.

• 57:34Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 57:35Doug DeMuro?

  And you can ask us questions. You go to carsandbids.com, you click on the community tab, and there'll be a post there that says, "Ask us questions!" This post. And then if you ask us questions, you want, you can ask them there. Now, I used to pick the highest questions. I now pick the best questions.

• 57:51Speaker 04

  Wow.

• 57:51Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 57:52Speaker 04

  Novel.

• 57:52Doug DeMuro?

  And this, he doesn't take me seriously, which is tough.

• 57:59Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, questions. First question is from Eric Muir, Muire. With the addition of classic cars onto the Cars and Bids platform, we've added classics.

• 58:08Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 58:09Doug DeMuro?

  Sell it all! If you want to sell your American underslung, sell here.

• 58:13Speaker 04

  Man, what I would give.

• 58:15Doug DeMuro?

  Well, that's the question. What cars are you hoping to have come on to the site?

• 58:19Speaker 04

  Stutz Bearcat.

• 58:21Doug DeMuro?

  That's a surprise?

• 58:23Speaker 04

  That is not.

• 58:24Doug DeMuro?

  You're gonna go with that and just leave it out there?

• 58:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 58:26Doug DeMuro?

  Okay. Filippo, I don't even know what that is.

• 58:29Speaker 04

  Okay, that's okay.

• 58:30Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, you know what a Bearcat is?

• 58:33Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, neither do I.

• 58:35Doug DeMuro?

  Forma, please. The Stutz Bearcat was like the sports car of its, wasn't it like the supercar of its day?

• 58:40Speaker 04

  Yeah, it was like, yeah, in its time, it was.

• 58:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 58:43Speaker 04

  Where's the one I'm looking for? I mean, those are all Bearcats.

• 58:45Doug DeMuro?

  Stutz Bearcat, dude, not as appealing. No, go, you gotta pick a yellow one. They were yellow. Mentally, they're yellow. You gotta pick a yellow one.

• 58:51Speaker 04

  Doug has somehow latched on to that idea.

• 58:53Doug DeMuro?

  This is the one. No, not, that's not even a Stutz Bearcat. This is the one.

• 58:56Speaker 04

  It is a Stutz Bearcat.

• 58:57Doug DeMuro?

  No, that's a later or earlier one. Go to the, go back up! What are you, why won't you click on this Stutz Bearcat? Look at these people. That's a Stutz Bearcat. That's what he wants to see on this site. Do you understand?

• 59:07Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 59:08Doug DeMuro?

  Look at these old folks driving this thing.

• 59:10Speaker 04

  I mean, yeah.

• 59:11Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, what?

• 59:12Speaker 03

  I'm thinking.

• 59:12Doug DeMuro?

  What do you wanna see on this site?

• 59:13Speaker 04

  I think of the 20s.

• 59:14Doug DeMuro?

  Vintage.

• 59:16Speaker 03

  I gotta think about this.

• 59:17Speaker 04

  I'll take, well.

• 59:18Doug DeMuro?

  Please, answer against.

• 59:19Speaker 04

  I mean, there's so many. I, I'd love to see an original Ford GT.

• 59:23Speaker 03

  Oh, 60s.

• 59:24Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'd like to see that. I'd like to see, I mean, it's heavy metal I wanna see, right? I wanna see, love to see some vintage Ferraris and a Dino at some point on the site, stuff like that, like real.

• 59:34Speaker 03

  That would be cool.

• 59:35Doug DeMuro?

  Early Countach.

• 59:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, a Periscopio car would be.

• 59:39Doug DeMuro?

  We like the supercars, so we'd like to see the supercars. You don't have an answer because you focus only on the plastic era.

• 59:44Speaker 03

  Focus over only on the.

• 59:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, I focus on the Bakelite era. Only three people got that, the others. That is what I focus.

• 59:54Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, man, there you go.

• 59:56Speaker 04

  But I don't, yeah, I mean, there are so many cool old cars, like.

• 59:59Doug DeMuro?

  There are, really are.

• 1:00:00Speaker 04

  For our Daytona.

• 1:00:01Speaker 03

  Know anything about that.

• 1:00:02Doug DeMuro?

  Why don't you go original Civic?

• 1:00:05Speaker 03

  Just barely pre-cut off.

• 1:00:06Doug DeMuro?

  It's like 77, wasn't it?

• 1:00:07Speaker 03

  The first jet to extend it through, we've hosted one. There's a lot of great cars. It's not the era that I know the most about.

• 1:00:15Doug DeMuro?

  How about American underslung? How about Suesa? You want to see a Suesa on the site?

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  Only to see Kenan freak out.

• 1:00:20Speaker 04

  Yeah, any Hispanic Suesa, I'd be thrilled.

• 1:00:23Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:00:24Speaker 04

  Except for the EV one that currently exists. Even then, honestly.

• 1:00:28Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, next question from Germany 21. When I was growing up, I always heard the following things. Toyota and the Japanese are reliable, the Germans and Americans are not. Is that still true? It's a great question. I don't think that is true. I don't think it was necessarily true the time I-

• 1:00:41Speaker 03

  Oh, no, no, it was. You were too- The W123 was always reliable.

• 1:00:45Doug DeMuro?

  You're too young and you didn't come to America early enough.

• 1:00:48Speaker 03

  Okay, can we talk about this? Alright, I have real feelings about this. It is so depend- the real- all cars need maintenance.

• 1:00:56Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, don't do it.

• 1:00:57Speaker 04

  You sound like me.

• 1:00:59Speaker 03

  The reason that I think some cars have a reputation for being especially unreliable in the US, where that's not a reputation they have elsewhere, is that parts availability and mechanical knowledge differ. A mechanic anywhere in the US can work on your F-150. Just, they can. They've been doing it forever. They can diagnose it quickly, they have parts available.

• 1:01:19Doug DeMuro?

  I'm gonna have a great counterpoint to this.

• 1:01:20Speaker 03

  When you are, when, so I grew up in Italy. And the Italian, like the Fiat Panda, the Fiat Punto, whatever, everybody just thought, like, they were reliable because you-

• 1:01:29Doug DeMuro?

  They were ubiquitous.

• 1:01:30Speaker 03

  They were ubiquitous, parts were everywhere, everybody knew how to work on them. It wasn't a problem if something went wrong because you knew exactly what it was and your brother, your cousin could just fix it in your driveway.

• 1:01:39Doug DeMuro?

  Okay.

• 1:01:39Speaker 03

  Which is also true of any other car in the US now.

• 1:01:41Doug DeMuro?

  And your point is that in the States, the European cars, they came from a faraway land, they weren't as ubiquitous, so we don't have that viewpoint.

• 1:01:47Speaker 04

  I won't work on my fancy European-

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  Volkswagen is a real example of this, where in Germany and most of Europe, Volkswagen is revered, including old like Mark III Golf, Mark IV Golf, all that they were built elsewhere for the European market than for the US market, are revered as incredibly reliable, long-lasting cars. Here, they're not, and I think it is driven by what felt familiar.

• 1:02:06Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, can I make a counterpoint?

• 1:02:08Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 1:02:09Doug DeMuro?

  The Japanese cars.

• 1:02:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:11Doug DeMuro?

  The Japanese cars were also, yeah, the Japanese cars also came from a faraway land and got their foot in the door in a time where they were unfamiliar by being dependable and reliable cars.

• 1:02:22Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:02:22Doug DeMuro?

  And specifically, as I recall with Le Huse-

• 1:02:28Doug DeMuro?

  You don't think I'd get away with that?

• 1:02:29Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:02:31Doug DeMuro?

  With a Kira? Lexus came out with the

• 1:02:36Doug DeMuro?

  with the LS400

• 1:02:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:38Doug DeMuro?

  And started stealing some of the market share of these Germans specifically because these German cars were known to be unreliable and the Japanese were known to be reliable, even though when the LS400 came out, it probably didn't already have the same familiarity that a Mercedes has.

• 1:02:52Speaker 03

  That is fair.

• 1:02:53Doug DeMuro?

  I think the problem is this. The European cars were, that were sold in the States primarily, were more technically complex.

• 1:03:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:02Doug DeMuro?

  Because primarily in the States, European cars are seen as luxury vehicles and we always insisted on luxury features. And that was not true in Europe, where a lot of European cars,

• 1:03:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:12Doug DeMuro?

  even the ones that we view as luxury cars, you go to Germany and E-classes are taxis and rental cars and police cars.

• 1:03:19Speaker 03

  And every E-Class taxi has three billion.

• 1:03:21Doug DeMuro?

  Billion miles on them.

• 1:03:24Doug DeMuro?

  The, the, the, I would still argue that the European cars are probably more unreliable for that reason. They still have more technology that is still never quite as fully tested.

• 1:03:34Doug DeMuro?

  The Americans are no longer unreliable, though.

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• 1:04:07Speaker 03

  No, and also it, the, you can't group them all together. There are cars that also, I think, try to be on the forefront of something.

• 1:04:14Doug DeMuro?

  Chrysler is still unreliable, yes.

• 1:04:16Speaker 03

  I wasn't gonna say that, but that is true.

• 1:04:18Doug DeMuro?

  Aside from the fact that every Ford vehicle is recalled 17 times within the first six months of ownership, the American cars in general, I do not hear less complaints about anecdotally from people I know with them than I hear about Japanese or Korean

• 1:04:32Speaker 03

  More or less, sorry.

• 1:04:33Doug DeMuro?

  The more, neither more nor less. It seems to me that the American cars are now, I would, if I was buying a car today, I wouldn't necessarily consider an American car less or more with reliability being a factor. Yeah.

• 1:04:46Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:04:47Doug DeMuro?

  I agree.

• 1:04:47Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think you're right. I remember the era of growing up here that he doesn't and like, I mean, man, American cars were bad.

• 1:04:54Doug DeMuro?

  Like, no, no, there were.

• 1:04:55Speaker 04

  So insulting.

• 1:04:56Doug DeMuro?

  I actually wasn't.

• 1:04:56Speaker 03

  The Jeep Grand Cherokee.

• 1:04:58Doug DeMuro?

  Eighties, nineties transmissions were dying. You couldn't get to 100,000 miles. They were trash cars and it really opened the door for the Japanese. But the Americans started to turn that around in the mid 2000s. The cars were not nice, but you still see mid 2000s Tahos and all those cars are still running really, really big miles.

• 1:05:14Speaker 04

  Right. And I think the, I think also just production techniques have changed so much and the demand of the consumer expects much better. As stuff does trickle down from some of these high-end manufacturers and like it, it just elevates everybody. And now we're at a point where, I mean, yeah, most cars are very nice, even from like less expensive brands and things like that. So, but yeah, to your point, no, I agree. I don't think American car, that said, some European car, I mean BMW still has rod bang problems and still has timing chain guide issues with their modern engines. Like they still have.

• 1:05:43Doug DeMuro?

  Well, yeah.

• 1:05:44Speaker 04

  Like as built as of 2021.

• 1:05:46Speaker 03

  Get exclusively 518Is and you're probably in a good spot. Unfortunately, the US market doesn't want that. I will also say somehow Toyota and others have gotten away with having some kind of large reliability crises and it haven't not really impacted them. Honda transmissions in the early 2000s didn't really impact their brand reputation overall, despite the fact that every single uh, V6 made it automatic transmission failed from oh, 2000 to 2003.

• 1:06:10Doug DeMuro?

  Toyota and the rust issues.

• 1:06:12Speaker 03

  And current engine issues on the Tundra and non-hybrid Sequoia.

• 1:06:15Doug DeMuro?

  Sl- no, it's not on the non-hybrid Sequoia or the Tundra. It is a casting flaw that affects a small portion of 22 Tundra only.

• 1:06:23Speaker 03

  Or Subaru and oil consumption issues, including on their current 2.5 liter engines. There's things where some brands have kind of pushed past that in a way that's honestly impressive.

• 1:06:32Doug DeMuro?

  That's an interesting point. You know, Honda, I mean Honda's launched those transmissions. There is not a single 99 to 03 Acura TL that's out there right now that isn't on its 11th transmission.

• 1:06:43Speaker 03

  It's like the Ford Focus of its day.

• 1:06:45Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, it's, that's exactly what it is. You don't see those 99 to 03 TLs anymore. And if you do, it's a Type S with a manual. Although the TL was never offered with any form of manual. Maybe the, maybe the non-Type S is more.

• 1:06:56Speaker 03

  That gen.

• 1:06:57Doug DeMuro?

  The CL was offered with this. Anyway, the point is there. You're missing, I'm, I'm, I've gone beyond the point. Um, which is that you're right, that has happened and it is.

• 1:07:05Speaker 04

  Yeah, I will say the question is correct. I there was an era when Japanese were building reliable cars and the Americans were not. And the European cars in the U. S. Were not reliable either.

• 1:07:13Doug DeMuro?

  And and and maybe that's changed a little, but I still wouldn't buy a European car for its reliability.

• 1:07:19Speaker 04

  Unless you're buying a W. One, two, three Mercedes.

• 1:07:21Doug DeMuro?

  Even then, uh, okay. Next question from D Brewer, from D Brewer. How did you guys meet each other and what were your first impressions of one another and what cars did you have at the time? What a great question. Kenan, start us off.

• 1:07:35Speaker 04

  Um, I will start with the first time I met you, which was when my car broke down at a car meet when you were driving across the country and you're Aston Martin V. Eight Vantage.

• 1:07:43Doug DeMuro?

  In sixteen, I did a I drove cross country and back in my Vantage and I hosted meetups along the way. And I did a meetup in Boise and Billings, in Minneapolis, in Chicago and in Cleveland.

• 1:07:53Speaker 04

  Yes, because.

• 1:07:54Doug DeMuro?

  And in North Dakota.

• 1:07:54Speaker 04

  Right, because you're, yes, that's right. Just, that's right. Cleveland just happens to be the largest city that you actually do want to stop in between Chicago and Philadelphia. And so that's why you ended up there. But I drove up there with my friends in our E thirty nine M. Fives and one in his E sixty M. Five. And my car decided that was the time I wanted to break down. I had to have a flatbed come and get it. And he was taking pictures of it and thought, I can't believe this is, you know, this is too perfect. Everybody, all my friends love this.

• 1:08:19Doug DeMuro?

  Have we shown the picture?

• 1:08:20Speaker 04

  Uh, we could certainly place it in here, but you're welcome to show the picture. There's actually.

• 1:08:25Doug DeMuro?

  Oh, right. We can put it in.

• 1:08:26Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 1:08:26Doug DeMuro?

  I'm not gonna do that. I'm gonna pull it up right here, right now, so we can see that broken down car. Kenan's car, he comes to this thing. He's so proud of his car. September twenty three of sixteen. So it's nine years ago. And here's Kenan's car. Can you see it on my phone?

• 1:08:43Doug DeMuro?

  Left foot it up.

• 1:08:44Speaker 04

  Hold on, what was the date again?

• 1:08:45Doug DeMuro?

  September twenty three of sixteen. Kenan's car broke down at this meetup, and so that's how I first met.

• 1:08:51Speaker 04

  My friend Ryan does these videos. He's always done these daily vlogs where he talks about like this, his life in general. It's it's kind of fascinating. So he's done over five thousand days now.

• 1:09:00Doug DeMuro?

  And so he here, he vlogged this.

• 1:09:01Speaker 04

  He vlogged the moment that it broke down. And there it is, the car actually broken down.

• 1:09:06Doug DeMuro?

  We did it at an abandoned shopping mall.

• 1:09:08Speaker 04

  Yes. Um, and eventually I'm doing exhaust cover of the E sixty, but there is the.

• 1:09:14Doug DeMuro?

  It's so funny, Ken's beloved car lets him down one time and it's but it's this amazing situation where because it lets him down this one time, we were actually able to.

• 1:09:25Speaker 04

  I was memorable because then the next time I saw you, I was like, yeah, I was the guy who broke his car broke down. I was the only person, my friend Luke, I was the only person whose car broke down.

• 1:09:34Doug DeMuro?

  At any one of my.

• 1:09:35Speaker 04

  At any one of the events.

• 1:09:36Doug DeMuro?

  Probably, probably thousands of people came to.

• 1:09:38Speaker 04

  God, was that embarrassing. And then they dropped, the next day, they dropped it off at the wrong location, left the keys in the ignition. Was, was, was extra thrilled about that experience, but it got me one of my best and closest friends and so.

• 1:09:48Doug DeMuro?

  What about Filippo? How'd you meet Filippo?

• 1:09:50Speaker 04

  Filippo, the first time I met him was through you, although Filippo was originally a writer on Cars and Bids and I, I was kind of oversaw his work and was his editor and that was how we got to know one another. We didn't meet in person for the first time.

• 1:10:04Doug DeMuro?

  For a while.

• 1:10:04Speaker 04

  For quite some time after, until you came to visit in San Diego. I remember Doug explicitly asking me, he was like, what do you think about Filippo? Do you like Filippo? I was like, I love Filippo. He's great. And he's like, we're gonna hire him. And so, and we've been, we've started working since. And then eventually you moved to San Diego after some, after you convinced everybody that you care about to move to San Diego largely.

• 1:10:22Doug DeMuro?

  Except for one or two. Can you tell the story about how we met? Yeah. We were, we were, I was on safari and he was eating a high, from a high branch. Brian Giraffe, of course.

• 1:10:33Doug DeMuro?

  On camera, it looks even more like a giraffe. Look at that. I, I do agree with that. On camera, it looks more giraffe-y than it does in real life. Okay.

• 1:10:39Speaker 03

  I've known you for 10 and a half years.

• 1:10:42Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 1:10:42Speaker 03

  I, I just have to do some mental math there.

• 1:10:44Doug DeMuro?

  Wow.

• 1:10:45Speaker 03

  You moved to Philly in 2014.

• 1:10:47Doug DeMuro?

  Moved to 14, yeah.

• 1:10:48Speaker 03

  I was in Philly in school and I emailed Doug.

• 1:10:52Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:52Speaker 03

  And then we got pizza at a place in Head House Square in Philly.

• 1:10:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:56Speaker 03

  My, I remember how long it's been because I started dating my wife right around the same time. And I told her that I was going to get dinner with this random person from the internet. And she was very concerned because she, we hadn't been dating for long enough for her to like. Know what was going on.

• 1:11:14Speaker 04

  And at the time, that would have been like now it just.

• 1:11:16Speaker 03

  I don't email people out of the blue. I don't reach out to people. This is a weird fluke that resulted.

• 1:11:21Doug DeMuro?

  I am astonished that it happened. At the time in Philly, I had just moved to Philly and it was a new city. I had not lived there and so I wanted to meet people. And so I literally was like, hey, people, random. Like my following wasn't as big as it is now. So I could kind of be like, answer my own emails. And it was like, hey, send me an email and I'll get. And I had dinner with like hundreds of people. Over my four years in Philly, like literally hundreds of people. And a few of those people stopped and one of them is over there.

• 1:11:46Speaker 03

  Right, a producer, Sean is one of them.

• 1:11:48Doug DeMuro?

  And but you were, you were one of them. And I remember telling my wife, like, this is, this is the first, this is friend number one. Like this, this person is going to stick and look at you now.

• 1:11:55Speaker 03

  Started filming videos. If you go back to old Doug videos, Hummer, Hummer era.

• 1:11:59Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo is in some of these.

• 1:12:01Speaker 03

  I filmed a lot of them.

• 1:12:02Doug DeMuro?

  Remember when you drove the R32?

• 1:12:03Speaker 03

  Of course, but I filmed a ton of them.

• 1:12:05Doug DeMuro?

  But go to the, go to the Kia Spectra one. That's really the one.

• 1:12:08Speaker 03

  What a good video.

• 1:12:09Doug DeMuro?

  This was actually Filippo's Kia.

• 1:12:12Speaker 03

  Yeah, that was my Kia.

• 1:12:13Doug DeMuro?

  And he's in, if you go like late in the video, when we talk about what it's worth.

• 1:12:16Speaker 04

  I thought it was early.

• 1:12:17Doug DeMuro?

  Here's a video.

• 1:12:18Speaker 03

  Young Filippo.

• 1:12:18Doug DeMuro?

  There's young Filippo, go back a little. There's young Filippo. We were talking, and get, get out of this. And when was this published? When did this video go live?

• 1:12:26Speaker 04

  This was published eight years ago.

• 1:12:28Doug DeMuro?

  May 12th of 16. 10 years.

• 1:12:29Speaker 03

  I left Philly. Right around then, I graduated from college. But so many videos filmed. If you ever go back to old Doug videos and the camera work is shoddy. It's probably me.

• 1:12:40Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, okay, I got two more questions. One is very, very quick and the other one is a little bit longer. Question from Ezekiel. Do you think the BMW XM will fall into the category of enthusiast cars? No one wants today, but are cherished in the future. Ken, I'll let you take this one.

• 1:12:53Speaker 04

  Let me do the mental math there. Carry the one, you know. No.

• 1:12:59Speaker 03

  That's a Doug thing that he came up with.

• 1:13:00Doug DeMuro?

  Absolutely not. Uh, okay. Final question from Motor Mouth. And by the way, we talk about how some cars that are hated in their times become beloved later. Some cars that are hated in their times, stay hated.

• 1:13:10Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 1:13:11Doug DeMuro?

  100%. Most, actually. Uh, and, and the hard part is figuring out which it will be.

• 1:13:17Speaker 04

  With the XM, it's easy to tell.

• 1:13:19Doug DeMuro?

  Yep. From Motor Mouth. If you had to rebuild your collection of cars from 2020 and up, what would your garage consist of? I presume this question is aimed at me, but I want you guys to take a shot at it too. Let's say you had to get three cars.

• 1:13:32Speaker 03

  That's so easy.

• 1:13:33Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, a new E-Class wagon, which is already 2020.

• 1:13:37Speaker 03

  My car is the only new car, newest car I have.

• 1:13:40Speaker 04

  Well, it's easy for me because I only have one.

• 1:13:42Speaker 03

  I don't, the third car would be a.

• 1:13:44Doug DeMuro?

  V Blackwing. Is that still 2020 and up?

• 1:13:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, still for sure.

• 1:13:48Doug DeMuro?

  Okay, so you're able to do it.

• 1:13:49Speaker 03

  I just recreate my collection just a little better.

• 1:13:51Doug DeMuro?

  You're right. You got an E-Wagon from the new era.

• 1:13:53Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:13:54Doug DeMuro?

  You got an all-terrain.

• 1:13:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'll think about that.

• 1:13:56Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, he wants an all-terrain. He claims he doesn't, but he wants.

• 1:13:59Speaker 03

  No, I love my SUV 12 though.

• 1:14:01Doug DeMuro?

  Uh, yeah, but you want an SUV 13. Um, for me, it's hard. It's very, very hard. I think I would get.

• 1:14:08Speaker 03

  You have a 2024 Sequoia. Okay, you're good.

• 1:14:10Doug DeMuro?

  The Sequoia and the E-Wagon. The, the, the Storato I would probably get. I don't know if they, which one replaces what, but I'd probably get a Storato.

• 1:14:19Speaker 04

  911ST.

• 1:14:20Doug DeMuro?

  I'd probably get a 911ST. Uh.

• 1:14:26Speaker 03

  What's a manual? I mean, what, what do you get?

• 1:14:30Speaker 04

  It gets a GTD to replace the Ford GT.

• 1:14:32Doug DeMuro?

  Well, I don't know that the 911ST even replaces the Carrera GT. And to me, that seems more like the Ford GT kind of thing. Like it's a pretty usable, high performing, you know, like.

• 1:14:41Speaker 03

  So is the Huracan.

• 1:14:41Speaker 04

  Super usable with the stiff system.

• 1:14:42Doug DeMuro?

  Yeah, yeah. Well, then maybe they're both Ford GT replacements. I don't know. The answer is the cars I have, you can't. You can't replace them. T50. I get a T50. If I'm, if I'm able to do whatever, I'll take a T50.

• 1:14:53Speaker 03

  What modern supercar has a manual?

• 1:14:56Doug DeMuro?

  T50.

• 1:14:57Speaker 03

  No, a modern reasonable supercar has a manual.

• 1:14:58Speaker 04

  T33.

• 1:15:00Speaker 03

  That's for sale in the US, not on a show on the spot.

• 1:15:02Doug DeMuro?

  I think T50 and T33. What? Are you trying to lead me to something?

• 1:15:05Speaker 03

  No, I'm legitimately trying to think about this. Like, like what, what, what is in the million to million five price, price range? That is post 2020 that.

• 1:15:14Speaker 04

  Nothing.

• 1:15:15Speaker 03

  Has a manual.

• 1:15:16Doug DeMuro?

  Nothing. Million bucks, nothing. It's the T50. I'm serious about this. I would choose my garage. I, we've just said it. It's, I would get a T50, a Storato and, and then replacing the G-Cab. It's irreplaceable.

• 1:15:27Speaker 03

  A Jeep Wrangler 4x.

• 1:15:28Doug DeMuro?

  You know, you know what I would do? I would go to the damn convertible conversion place.

• 1:15:33Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 1:15:34Doug DeMuro?

  I would call up.

• 1:15:35Speaker 03

  Newport Beach.

• 1:15:36Doug DeMuro?

  No, I would call Strong. I'd get him off his, because last I heard, he's sailing the world on his yacht.

• 1:15:42Doug DeMuro?

  I'd call Straman and I'd say, I have a job for you. And it'd be like one of those movie scenes where like the retired guy is like on a beach somewhere and he gets a call and he's like, one last heist. Okay. Yeah, one last heist, exactly. And Straman would come to me and we'd do it. That would replace my G-Cap.

• 1:16:00Speaker 04

  What a daydream that would, or what a fever dream.

• 1:16:03Doug DeMuro?

  Fever dream, yeah. Two-door only, folks. Okay, that's our last question and the end of this podcast. Next week, the podcast is weird.

• 1:16:10Speaker 04

  It's weird.

• 1:16:11Doug DeMuro?

  We've already filmed it, it's weird, but we'll be back to normal the week after that. Filippo, do you have any parting thoughts or anything that you'd like to promote like you usually do?

• 1:16:19Speaker 04

  Lettuce?

• 1:16:20Doug DeMuro?

  Lettuce, I love lettuce. And I say that not as a giraffe, but as Filippo.

• 1:16:24Speaker 04

  It applies to both.

• 1:16:25Doug DeMuro?

  It's incredible. That's all. You got a giraffe over here. Oh, boy. Okay, uh, thank you for another lovely podcast. This was the finest podcast we've ever done, ever.

• 1:16:36Speaker 04

  Fact.

• 1:16:37Doug DeMuro?

  Filippo, you licked those high tree leaves.

• 1:16:41Speaker 04

  Goodbye.

• 1:16:42Doug DeMuro?

  Please, goodbye.