Matthew Stafford on Staying in LA, Aaron Donald’s Insane Workouts and Girl Dad Advice | Ep 128

92%ers we are back with another episode of New Heights presented by Nike. When the world says you can’t win, Nike says So Win! Today we are joined by the Super Bowl-winning quarterback for the LA Rams, Matthew Stafford. Matthew and the guys get into everything from his decision to stay in LA, how he’s built incredible relationships with receivers like Cooper Kupp, Puka Nacua, and Calvin Johnson, why he ended up playing for Georgia, and the Matthew shares the most incredible story about Aaron Donald’s workouts you’ve ever heard. We also get into how the league has changed since he was drafted in 2009, which rookie QBs he loves watching, his advice for girl dads, and more! You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. . . . Download the full podcast here: Wondery: https://wondery.app.link/s9hHTgtXpMb Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/new-heights/id1643745036 Spotify:https://open.spotify.com/show/1y3SUbFMUSESC1N43tBleK?si=LsuQ4a5MRN6wGMcfVcuynw Follow New Heights on Social Media for all the best moments from the show: https://lnk.to/newheightshow Check out all of our new merch’ at https://homage.com/newheights To participate in the first-ever New Heights Bracket Challenge and win your very own New Heights Gold Cup, check out the links below. Men's Bracket Link: https://picks.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ncaa-tournament/bracket/pools/kbxw63b2g[…]-medium=copy&ttag=FF25_lk_cbssports_cbb_bpm_copySetupInvite https://picks.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ncaa-tournament/bracket/pools/kbxw63b2g[%E2%80%A6]-medium=copy&ttag=FF25_lk_cbssports_cbb_bpm_copySetupInvite Women's Bracket Link: https://picks.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ncaaw-tournament/bracket/pools/kbxw63b2[…]medium=copy&ttag=FF25_lk_cbssports_cbb_wbpm_copySetupInvite https://picks.cbssports.com/college-basketball/ncaaw-tournament/bracket/pools/kbxw63b2[%E2%80%A6]medium=copy&ttag=FF25_lk_cbssports_cbb_wbpm_copySetupInvite Support the Show: NIKE: When the world says you can’t win, Nike says So Win! https://www.nike.com/w/college-teams-2wq2g AMERICAN EXPRESS: For full terms and to learn more about the powerful backing of American Express, visit https://americanexpress.com/withAmex MENTOS: Yesto Fresh with Mentos Gum https://www.amazon.com/mentos TURBO TAX: Now This is Taxes. Brought to you byIntuit TurboTax. https://turbotax.intuit.com https://turbotax.intuit.com// AUDIBLE: Sign up for a free 30-day trial at http://audible.com/newheights ACCELERATOR: Click the link below to get a case of the Kelce Brothers’ favorite energy drink! https://www.amazon.com/stores/page/FB06B38E-F0C2-479F-9DA5-FD4A1C852B07?channel=NewHeights2025 See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 1:50Speaker 03

  I'm going over to his house in the mornings and I'm like, he's teaching me the offense on his whiteboard in his house, going crazy. I'm like trying to write all this shit down. I'm like, oh my God, I'm never gonna remember any of this. You know, I just got off a bender in Mexico. Like, fuck this. It was on vacation. I remember he's got like my film up on his phone. He's like, do you remember this play? I'm like, yeah, like I'm trying to have a margarita and some chips, bro.

• 2:17Travis Kelce?

  Welcome back to New Heights, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls.

• 2:21Speaker 05

  Hey.

• 2:22Travis Kelce?

  Of all ages.

• 2:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:24Travis Kelce?

  Ninety-two percenters, a Wondery show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment. New Heights is brought to you by Nike.

• 2:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:31Travis Kelce?

  One of my all-time favorites. Shout out to Nike. When the world says you can't win, Nike says so win.

• 2:38Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 2:39Travis Kelce?

  We're your hosts, I'm Travis Kelce, this is Jason Kelce, my big brother out of Cleveland Heights, Ohio, northeast Ohio till I die, baby, east side. Subscribe on YouTube, Wondery Plus, wherever you get your podcasts and follow the social media channel at New Heights Show with one S. Jason, tell the people what we got coming up.

• 2:57Speaker 05

  We've got an incredible episode coming up for you guys.

• 2:59Travis Kelce?

  Knew it.

• 3:00Speaker 05

  First, we're gonna tell you how you can win an official New Heights Golden Cup that I was supposed to bring to this episode that I did not. Sorry, it's not here right now, but.

• 3:09Travis Kelce?

  Well, Jason, you have.

• 3:10Speaker 05

  The baby is back. We're gonna start doing fan contests, starting today. We're gonna reveal our first fan contest of the offseason, where you'll have an opportunity to win a New Heights Gold Cup.

• 3:20Travis Kelce?

  That's some exciting shit.

• 3:21Speaker 05

  Sounds pretty exciting. All right, we're also going to be answering some not done questions and we have an incredible conversation coming up with a friend of ours and a current, still LA Ram, Mr. Matthew Stafford.

• 3:34Travis Kelce?

  Texas gunslinger.

• 3:35Speaker 05

  But first, we're getting a little bit to that, uh, new news.

• 3:39Travis Kelce?

  New news.

• 3:40Speaker 05

  All right, new news is brought to you by Audible.

• 3:42Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:43Speaker 05

  Yeah, baby.

• 3:44Travis Kelce?

  Audible.

• 3:44Speaker 05

  Hmm. I wanna hear what you're talking about.

• 3:48Travis Kelce?

  Man, that should be their slogan from here on out.

• 3:50Speaker 05

  Did you just come up with Audible's new slogan? Like catchphrase?

• 3:53Travis Kelce?

  They wanna use it, they're gonna have to pay me a lot of money.

• 3:56Speaker 05

  If you wanna hear what they're talking about. If you wanna hear what I'm talking about. And that's the way every Audible book should just start, like James Clear, Atomic Habits. If you wanna hear what they're talking about.

• 4:09Travis Kelce?

  March Madness Bracket Challenge, ninety-two percenters, we're pumped.

• 4:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:13Travis Kelce?

  Fucking jacked up.

• 4:14Speaker 05

  I mean, who's not?

• 4:14Travis Kelce?

  It's March Madness. First fan contest of the year and a gold cup.

• 4:19Speaker 05

  Is on the line.

• 4:20Travis Kelce?

  Is on the line, that's right. If you remember, we had a bracket challenge last year that decided the best team name.

• 4:26Speaker 05

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:27Travis Kelce?

  The winner was the Vikings.

• 4:29Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 4:29Travis Kelce?

  That's still up to debate, I don't know.

• 4:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, listen, it's not a debate, it's the one that won, it's a debate whether that was.

• 4:37Speaker 05

  Accurate.

• 4:37Travis Kelce?

  Well, one. And this year, we're going full March Madness. That is right. We are, um, the first ever New Heights Tournament Challenge with Reese's Peanut Butter Cups.

• 4:47Speaker 05

  Wait, timeout. How does Reese's factor into this?

• 4:49Travis Kelce?

  This is.

• 4:49Speaker 05

  Oh, okay. I didn't know we were giving them the cup with Reese's inside of it as the charge.

• 4:53Travis Kelce?

  Great idea.

• 4:55Speaker 05

  It's like two trophies.

• 4:56Travis Kelce?

  Great idea.

• 4:57Speaker 05

  Lava big cups or just regular cups?

• 4:58Speaker 03

  Boom.

• 5:00Speaker 05

  Or Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs? What if it's just a conglomerate of Reese's Peanut Butter Puffs, Reese's regular peanut butter cups, Reese's big lava cups, Reese's PCs? I actually just got a protein.

• 5:13Travis Kelce?

  I mean.

• 5:13Speaker 05

  From, uh, C, uh, Cellulor. That's Reese's flavored.

• 5:17Travis Kelce?

  I was out when you said conglomerate. We will post links to where you can make your picks and enter this bracket challenge. You'll play against us, me and Jason and New and the, uh,

• 5:28Speaker 05

  Well, everybody else that, uh, submits a bracket, but yes, we'll be in it too.

• 5:32Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Jason doesn't even know what a basketball is made of.

• 5:36Speaker 05

  It's made of leather.

• 5:37Travis Kelce?

  Oh.

• 5:38Speaker 05

  And air.

• 5:39Travis Kelce?

  That's what he thought. All the, all the college balls are made of some sort of composite now, Jason.

• 5:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, it's probably not.

• 5:45Travis Kelce?

  You're a fucking idiot.

• 5:46Speaker 05

  Um, I, I don't, yeah, I have not watched one ounce of college basketball this year.

• 5:51Travis Kelce?

  Not even a lick?

• 5:52Speaker 05

  Which is why I feel extremely confident.

• 5:55Travis Kelce?

  The, I, I'm in, in a lot of ways.

• 5:58Speaker 05

  What I'm gonna do, this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go to Audible and I'm gonna look up the books on how to master March Madness. And I'm gonna read up on them. And you're gonna be doing.

• 6:08Travis Kelce?

  Well, you don't read on Audible.

• 6:09Speaker 05

  Huh? Well, I'm gonna listen up on them.

• 6:11Travis Kelce?

  Okay.

• 6:12Speaker 05

  And, uh, and then I'm gonna come in with a wealth of knowledge on how to pick March Madness teams. And I'm gonna kick your ass.

• 6:21Travis Kelce?

  No way, Jose.

• 6:23Speaker 05

  I'm gonna Audible, James Woodens.

• 6:26Travis Kelce?

  One team in the top 25.

• 6:29Speaker 05

  Uh, Duke.

• 6:31Travis Kelce?

  Lucky guess.

• 6:32Speaker 05

  It was.

• 6:35Travis Kelce?

  Can you name one player in NCAA basketball?

• 6:41Speaker 05

  Holy fuck.

• 6:42Travis Kelce?

  One player, Jason.

• 6:44Speaker 05

  Jesus Christ. I don't think I can.

• 6:46Travis Kelce?

  I don't think Jesus is in the NCAA. No.

• 6:49Speaker 05

  Well, he's everywhere, Travis.

• 6:51Travis Kelce?

  So they say. So they say.

• 6:53Speaker 05

  Um, yeah, I don't think I can.

• 6:55Travis Kelce?

  He doesn't even know who we gave NIL money to at the University of Cincinnati.

• 7:00Speaker 05

  I don't.

• 7:04Speaker 05

  I don't know one name.

• 7:06Travis Kelce?

  Um, Jizzle James. Shout out to Jizzle James.

• 7:09Speaker 05

  Jizzle James.

• 7:10Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, he's still there.

• 7:11Speaker 05

  He's still there?

• 7:11Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, he's Rocky's only hope. We gotta make a run in the Big 12 Tourney from what I think. Rules are simple. Sign up using the link in the episode's description. Entry with the highest score wins. We will do our best to limit it to one entry per person. Alright, so please, uh, don't enter multiple times, um, even though that is going to get you the best chance to win.

• 7:32Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:32Travis Kelce?

  Um, there will be a bracket for both men's.

• 7:35Speaker 05

  We're on the honor code, people.

• 7:37Travis Kelce?

  There will be, there will be a bracket for both the men's and women's tournaments, so we'll be handing out two golden cups.

• 7:43Speaker 05

  We're handing out two golden cups. Questions? Have either of you watched any college basketball games this year? We answered that. Do you guys usually fill out brackets? Ever?

• 7:50Travis Kelce?

  I will say this. I used to, mom used to get, uh, Cavs tickets if she won the, the bracket at work.

• 7:58Speaker 05

  So you'd fill it out for her?

• 7:59Travis Kelce?

  And I used to fill it out for her and that was how I got free Cavs tickets.

• 8:02Speaker 05

  That's not how, you got free Cavs tickets from Fairfax Elementary School.

• 8:05Travis Kelce?

  Go ahead, tell them. Go ahead, tell them what happened. You're still thinking about it. Thirty years later, Jason.

• 8:12Speaker 05

  Regret is stating a fact. I'm not thinking about it. You brought up a, a, a false fact.

• 8:16Travis Kelce?

  I won my fight, you didn't, you got suspended, and I got Cavs tickets.

• 8:20Speaker 05

  What do you mean you won your, I won my fight? What are you talking about? I did not lose my fight.

• 8:24Travis Kelce?

  I think that's why you didn't get the Cavs tickets.

• 8:26Speaker 05

  No, I didn't get Cavs tickets because I got suspended for beating the shit out of a kid.

• 8:31Travis Kelce?

  Okay. So why did I get Cavs tickets?

• 8:35Speaker 05

  Because you schmoozed the principal.

• 8:36Travis Kelce?

  What? Do you think that's how I got Cavs tickets?

• 8:39Speaker 05

  The principal loved you. Mrs. McBee did not like me.

• 8:42Travis Kelce?

  I'm pretty sure Mrs. McBee dis- despised our entire household.

• 8:47Speaker 05

  No, I think she liked.

• 8:51Speaker 05

  Not really sure.

• 8:53Travis Kelce?

  That's it for new news, brought to you by Audible.

• 8:57Speaker 05

  Gonna hear what I'm talking about.

• 9:00Travis Kelce?

  Jason.

• 9:01Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 9:01Travis Kelce?

  Want to do the honors?

• 9:03Speaker 05

  Alrighty, our guest today is from Highland Park High School in Dallas, Texas. He was another one pick in the 2009 draft, a two-time Pro Bowl champion, and still the quarterback of the Los Angeles Rams. Please welcome Mr. Matthew Stafford.

• 9:21Speaker 03

  Thank you very much. Thank you for having me. That's a hell of an intro. I need you in-game.

• 9:25Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 9:25Speaker 03

  Need you in-game.

• 9:26Speaker 05

  I'll come do that anytime. How you doing, brother?

• 9:29Travis Kelce?

  I'm on the mic at Rams house, baby.

• 9:30Speaker 05

  I'd say you're doing pretty good. You finally got the elephant out of the room of the offseason, I guess, right?

• 9:36Speaker 03

  Yes, that was a little nerve-wracking there for a little bit, just trying to figure out what was gonna go down, but happy to be back wearing, you know, Rams colors, playing the sofi, doing the thing.

• 9:44Speaker 05

  Hell yeah.

• 9:45Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah, man. We knew you had like a ridiculous amount of success in Detroit, but it kind of feels like LA is like where you really, I don't know, I want, it feels like it's where you kind of made it home, at least on the football field, man.

• 9:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, for sure. I've been, I've been lucky to be playing here with Coach, you know, McVay and all my teammates and all those guys for, you know, a few years now, and we love it here. My family loves it here. I love playing here. The brand of football fits my style.

• 10:12Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah.

• 10:13Speaker 03

  I love, I love going to work and playing in front of the fans. It's a blast. It has been a really cool thing, obviously, coming from Detroit. Very different place than Los Angeles. Love both of them.

• 10:23Speaker 05

  Many ways.

• 10:24Speaker 03

  But this has been a cool change-up and my family's settled in great and we love it here.

• 10:29Travis Kelce?

  Love it, man.

• 10:31Speaker 05

  You said your brand of football, but do you have a brand? Could you fit into any offense?

• 10:35Travis Kelce?

  We were just talking about running mid-line back in the day.

• 10:37Speaker 03

  Triple-arm football, okay? Coaching points, you know?

• 10:39Speaker 05

  So, how drastically different was it coming to LA and being with Sean and this offense versus what you were doing in Detroit? And did you have multiple different offenses in Detroit?

• 10:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, I had a few.

• 10:49Speaker 05

  It felt like you were always airing it out, but...

• 10:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, we, yeah, I definitely, I've experienced a lot. You know, this is, this past season was 16, this will be 17 coming up. So, I've had a few offensive coordinators. I've done like the Peyton Manning, you know, no huddle at the line of scrimmage thing. We did that with Jim Bob when he was in Detroit for a while. Scott Linehan was my first coordinator when I first came to the league in 09 to... For like five years. I mean, that's seems so far back like defense, offense, all of it was so different at that point. But yeah, I've had a few. I feel like, I feel like any player, any competitive player should be like, yeah, put me in any system and I'll thrive. I don't care. You call the plays and I'll haul them. But it has been fun with Sean, you know, the way he challenges all of us, not only like physically on the field, but mentally and the approach to the game and all the things that he asked me to do with the line of scrimmage

• 11:36Speaker 03

  or pre-snap, whatever it is. It's a lot, but I think it makes us successful and it's it's fun, you know, getting that challenge from your coach, you know, being like, hey, I think you can handle all this. And he gives me all that and it ends up being successful. That's a lot of fun.

• 11:50Speaker 05

  Yeah, absolutely. It's fun to watch.

• 11:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, I appreciate it.

• 11:52Speaker 05

  We've talked about this before, but that like big Vay offense, Shanahan offense, the run play action is so dynamic on first and second down. But what was obviously great, the moment you got there when the Super Bowl was taking this guy who could do drop back passing at a high level and function in that type of setting, combined with that, it felt like just like the perfect marriage.

• 12:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 12:12Speaker 05

  Did the offense change around you when you got there as well? Almost just as much as you had to learn the new stuff?

• 12:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, 100%. That's a very good, you know, way of kind of describing what, you know, what transpired and what happened for sure. I got there and I remember we were, Sean and I were maybe, you know, a couple of weeks into me being out in LA and he's like, hey, you, me, Kelly and Veronica, let's go, you know, let's go drink some wine up in, you know, like Santa Barbara area. I'm like, all right, cool. We're going on a little wine trip, go for a day.

• 12:42Speaker 05

  Right away, different than Detroit.

• 12:43Speaker 03

  Correct.

• 12:46Speaker 03

  Badass beer with Kid Rock or something like that at one point, but no, it's a

• 12:50Speaker 05

  It's tons of fun to happen in Detroit.

• 12:53Speaker 03

  So we're cruising up there. We're like 30 minutes into our ride up there and my guy pulls out a piece of paper and he's like, all right, so here's the drop back stuff.

• 13:04Speaker 03

  I haven't even had any red wine yet and we're just, we're already into this. I love this shit. He's like, here's this package I'm thinking about. We'll go no huddle, jump the ball and we'll do it. And sure enough, that's what we did a bunch, especially in 2021 and and launched it all over the field and had a bunch of success. But when I got, you know, here, he was like, man. You know, drop back pass has been something that, you know, we've always wanted to try and elevate, you know, just as that core system. And I was like, well, that's kind of all I did in Detroit. You know, like, we didn't really run the ball or play action it very often. It was just like, I'm in the gun and here we go.

• 13:35Speaker 05

  Forty-five, fifty attempts, like, yeah.

• 13:36Speaker 03

  Yeah. So it was like, oh, that's, that's the easy part for me. You know, like, I've done this my whole career. So it was kind of a, it was a good marriage and it's, it's worked out well.

• 13:45Speaker 05

  Let's talk about the decision to stay in LA.

• 13:46Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 13:47Speaker 05

  There are a lot of rumors out there, you know, getting wooed from New York, Raiders, LA, contract stuff.

• 13:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 13:53Speaker 05

  What was ultimately the deciding factor to come back and resign with LA?

• 13:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, I think it was kind of a joint process, right? Like, it wasn't just, I wasn't a free agent. You know, I still had two years left on my deal and, and, um, you know, we kind of worked something out last year, kind of the, you know, at the 11th hour to kind of figure it out right before training camp, with the understanding that, okay, we're going to come back and readdress this if I want to play again the next year.

• 14:13Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 14:14Speaker 03

  You know, had a nice season and, and wanted, you know, felt healthy, wanted to keep going. And, um, you know, so it was like, all right, let's figure out how to get this done. Obviously, there were some trade rumors and some things like that that, uh, you know, transpired that was, you know, a little bit tough on your family just because you don't really know what's going to be next. I remember when I was getting traded from Detroit to LA, really, a couple of weeks before that, you know, I had made it known that I wanted to be traded from Detroit. And I can't tell you how much time I spent on Zillow at that point, looking at houses in Indy and there, and all these places back then, right? So you're just like, and I'm sitting there going, man, where am I going to be? Where are my kids going to school? All this kind of stuff. And, you know, a little bit of a similar situation, just because, um, you know, what was out there and what was going on. But, uh, I think in the end, I know that they wanted me back. I wanted to be back.

• 14:59Speaker 03

  We just had to kind of figure that out and get to that point. We did. And I'm, uh, I'm sure as hell happy that, you know, I'm going to be here for at least another year and hopefully some after that.

• 15:07Speaker 05

  Love it, love it.

• 15:08Travis Kelce?

  Hell, yeah. I remember, uh, coming out of the draft, um, I was, uh, I had a, what do you call it? Where they fly you in.

• 15:15Speaker 03

  Top 30 visitor, whatever.

• 15:16Travis Kelce?

  Top 30 visitor. I had a top 30 visit to Washington.

• 15:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:18Travis Kelce?

  And, uh, at the time, had no idea what would eventually transpire to be like, four out of the, the four head coaches just sitting in like the player, like, positions.

• 15:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:29Travis Kelce?

  At the time. And McVay was one of them. And he was the tight end coach. So I spent most of my time talking, talking to McVay about ball. And I just remember him talking so fucking fast.

• 15:39Speaker 03

  It hasn't changed.

• 15:40Travis Kelce?

  And he's just rambling and he's just ripping them and ripping them. I'm just like, dude, I don't know how you got me jacked up, this jacked up about playing football right now, but you're the only one to do it. It was like, it was him and like ironically Dan Campbell were the two that I was like, man, these dudes love this shit.

• 15:57Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 15:58Travis Kelce?

  And like during installs throughout the building, like is he just non-stop 100 miles per hour and just all about ball?

• 16:07Speaker 03

  Yes, all day, every day. The guy loves it. Um, I mean, shoot, like I said, we're going on a wine trip and the guy's ripping off plays. He just can't stop and, and, and loves it. But it is, it is cool to watch him do his thing. He's so, like you said, he's great one-on-one, right? He's great teaching me the offense. I remember when I first, um, you know, got traded here, I was actually a long story, but I was in Mexico, uh, randomly ran into him, whatever. It, it happened. Um, you know, I fly back and I'm, I'm going over to his house in the mornings and I'm like, he's teaching me the offense on his whiteboard in his house going crazy. I'm like trying to write all this shit down. I'm like, oh my God, I'm never gonna remember any of this. You know, I just got off a bender in Mexico.

• 16:46Travis Kelce?

  The old Shaki baby.

• 16:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly. So I, uh, but yeah, he's like that one-on-one. He's all day, every day loves football. But then he gets up in front of the room and he can relate to everybody. He commands the room. He's got great energy, um, sets the tone for the week, every single week and, and guys, uh, you know, thrive on it. So it's, uh, it's a lot of fun going to work, you know, in that building, especially when we're winning and he's in a good mood and, and rocking and rolling. It's, uh, it's a lot of fun.

• 17:10Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 17:10Travis Kelce?

  Fuck yeah, man.

• 17:11Speaker 05

  I don't even know if I want to put, but the only time I've literally met Sean, we were, Kyle and I were in Maui on vacation.

• 17:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 17:18Speaker 05

  And him and Veronica walked through and he makes a point to come over and same thing.

• 17:23Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 17:23Speaker 05

  Immediately talking football.

• 17:24Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 17:25Speaker 05

  And like, hey, we'll meet up. And I'm like, I could just see a look on Veronica's face. Like she is, this happens all day.

• 17:31Speaker 03

  All the time.

• 17:31Speaker 05

  Every day for her. Like she's like, great. We're on vacation in Maui and this fucking idiot still wants to talk about football.

• 17:39Speaker 03

  A hundred percent. She probably saw me walking to the pool in Mexico and was like, fuck this.

• 17:47Speaker 03

  I remember he's got like my film up on his phone. He's like, do you remember this? I'm like, yeah, like I'm trying to have a margarita and some chips, bro.

• 17:54Travis Kelce?

  So good, man. He's just gotta know, man.

• 17:56Speaker 03

  No, he does. He just, he is what he is.

• 17:58Travis Kelce?

  I just, I enjoy talking ball with him.

• 18:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 18:01Travis Kelce?

  He ropes you in, man.

• 18:02Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 18:03Travis Kelce?

  He ropes you in. He just wants to, he just wants to get better, man. I fucking love that.

• 18:06Speaker 03

  No doubt.

• 18:06Travis Kelce?

  Well, you guys got a, you guys got a lot of talent around you over there.

• 18:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:10Travis Kelce?

  I'm sure that had a lot to do with you wanting to come back.

• 18:13Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 18:14Travis Kelce?

  Um, so it feels like a great situation over there. Obviously, the Cooper Cup, like, decision of whether he's gonna be back, um, things like that. One of the best receivers in the league still.

• 18:24Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:24Travis Kelce?

  Um, obviously dealt with some, uh, stuff last year, but, um, is it like, and we don't have to talk about this if you don't want to, but have you talked to him?

• 18:33Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, I mean, like, I was, um, you know, I ran into him right kinda when they told him the news that they're, you know, talking about trading him and, and, um, you know, obviously that one is tough. It's, you're around this game long enough, those kinda things happen, you know, and, and it's, uh, uh, it's tough, um, especially for a guy that's meant so much to me in my career and, and how he helped me kind of, you know, get in with, with the Rams and, and, um, you know, just in that locker room and, and what it's all about to be a part of that team. He was such a huge part of that for me. Um, so it's tough. And I've spent probably more time with him as a teammate than really any other teammate, you know, in my career.

• 19:11Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 19:11Speaker 03

  Um, and that just kinda happened organically. Um, you know, I would go in there early and, um, you know, sure enough, Cooper being there, he'd walk in, you know, as I'm walking in and, and we start watching tape together and, and then it just turned into a thing that we just did every day. Um, and so I've spent a ton of time with him. He's meant a ton to me. Um, you know, as a, as a player, but even more probably as a person. You talk to guys, including Sean, guys around that team that have been with him for extended periods of time and he's a fantastic player. He means a ton to our team, but just as a human being, as a person, he's as good as it gets. So

• 19:41Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 19:41Speaker 03

  whether he's with us, which I, you know, I, I love, um, I love Cooper and, and, uh, would love opportunity to continue to play with him, but, um, or if he's somewhere else, I mean, whoever gets him, it's gonna be, uh, You know, he's, he's a fantastic person for the locker room, for the team and shoot. Um, you know, when he's healthy, he's still balling.

• 19:58Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah. Man, I still remember that goddamn interview where he just started ripping off defensive like coverages and stuff, dude. That shit was so, but it was like, it was like, I mean, that dude's, the mind is going, man. Yeah, and he's dialed in, dude.

• 20:12Speaker 03

  I mean, he's like the nicest guy in the world, right? And so the story behind that is he's like doing this interview post-game, which he doesn't, you know, love being in front of the camera anyways. And he's, he's doing an interview and the reporter asks him a question and he answers it. She asks him another question and he answers it. It's like a third question. He's like, okay, what is going on here? And this, you know, he's like, I'm trying to get off the field, get in the locker room and go. She asks him one more question. And so he's like, you know what? I'm just gonna go top rope, way over your head. So you're just gonna go, okay, thanks Cooper.

• 20:39Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 20:40Speaker 03

  He hits her with just like the, I mean, we saw the zone pressure. I knew it was, the mic was working away because we got three out. Matthew changed protection. I'm like, you, you would just went like rogue football on this, on this reporter. And she was just like, and that's Cooper Cup. She's like, they gotta go take a shower and get out of here. But, uh, it was pretty, pretty, uh, pretty veteran move by Coop.

• 21:00Travis Kelce?

  You were saying he watched his film with you guys. Is he, I mean, is he that, that like in tuned with like protection calls and stuff like that? Or was, he was just trying to get out of that interview?

• 21:09Speaker 03

  He's pretty dialed in. Like he, he asked me really good questions.

• 21:12Travis Kelce?

  Nice.

• 21:12Speaker 03

  You know, just from a quarterback perspective, uh, I mean, he knows as much or more than any other teammate I've ever, you know, had, you know, this guy will, we'll be watching practice or something and, and he's like, hey, run that play back. And I'm like, and it's some run play. And he's like, we really could, you know, knock it back, tag it back one here with these angles and single high. And I could just block the mic instead of having to go out to the nickel in this two by two set. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, if you want it to change, go, go ahead, man. He's grinding on every like run play, every single thing he's, uh, he's meticulous about and, and, uh, shoot, it's, you know, part of what makes him great.

• 21:48Travis Kelce?

  I gotta love it. You gotta tell me the difference though of a guy like him and then a guy like DeMarcus Robinson.

• 21:52Speaker 03

  Oh yeah, baby.

• 21:53Travis Kelce?

  D-Rob, baby. D-Rob. One of my favorite teammates of all time.

• 21:58Speaker 03

  He's so great. D-Rob is the man. I love D-Rob. He's been great for our team. I think. He's got some crazy streak where he's been on like, he's played for nine years, played for a few different teams, and he's made the playoffs every single year.

• 22:08Travis Kelce?

  Dude, it's ridiculous.

• 22:09Speaker 03

  So he's just like, he's the good luck charm, you know, you just gotta bring him back. But he's a, no, he's a great player. You know, okay to not know to, you know, tag it back one in a single high. He's okay with not knowing that, just.

• 22:22Travis Kelce?

  And it's good, baby.

• 22:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. But like, instinct wise, he's got great instincts.

• 22:26Travis Kelce?

  Great instincts, man.

• 22:27Speaker 03

  You could just tell him out there, be like, hey, we're gonna run wide zone at you, and he'd probably end up on the right guy.

• 22:31Travis Kelce?

  He's a ball player, man.

• 22:32Speaker 03

  You know, he just gets it. So much fun to play with.

• 22:36Travis Kelce?

  Even Puka, man.

• 22:37Speaker 03

  What a character.

• 22:37Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. You guys got so much talent out there.

• 22:40Speaker 03

  Puka's a monster, man. He's, for a young guy coming in and, you know, done what he's been able to do the last couple of years is, is pretty outstanding. Obviously had a great guy to learn from with, with Coop as far as, you know, kinda where to be in that offense.

• 22:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 22:51Speaker 03

  Um, and then, you know, once the ball's in his hand, that's, you know, some of the best stuff he does is just run him physical and, and play him physical. It's, it's pretty cool to see.

• 23:00Travis Kelce?

  Heck, yeah.

• 23:01Speaker 05

  Do you think the receivers in that offense need to be a little bit more dialed in with all the motions and like, how responsible they are in the run game?

• 23:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, you won't play if you're, if you're not.

• 23:09Speaker 05

  Right.

• 23:10Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? And that's kinda the way it is. And, and, uh, you know, a lot of two by two sets where the F and the X where Coop and old D-Rob are out there together.

• 23:17Travis Kelce?

  There we go. So what you got?

• 23:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:21Speaker 03

  So, there were two peas in a pod out there.

• 23:23Travis Kelce?

  There we go.

• 23:24Speaker 03

  Two by two sets.

• 23:25Travis Kelce?

  Oh, I love it, man.

• 23:26Speaker 03

  And, and, uh, so.

• 23:27Speaker 05

  Gotta rely on your teammates. Gotta rely.

• 23:29Speaker 03

  Not illegal to communicate out there.

• 23:30Travis Kelce?

  I miss those combos with D-Rob, man.

• 23:32Speaker 03

  Not illegal to communicate out there.

• 23:34Speaker 05

  When they signed Brandon Brooks.

• 23:35Travis Kelce?

  The thing is, you get me and D-Rob on the same side, we're over there like.

• 23:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 23:38Travis Kelce?

  Oh, God. We'll both just get somebody.

• 23:40Speaker 05

  Yeah. We used to, I think they, when they signed Brandon Brooks, they were like, part of your job is telling Lane Johnson, you know, what the call is.

• 23:47Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 23:48Speaker 05

  Let's make sure we're bouncing this call out.

• 23:50Travis Kelce?

  Echoing the call, we gotta echo the call.

• 23:51Speaker 03

  A hundred percent. That's part of it, man.

• 23:53Speaker 05

  He's gonna block TJ Watt one on one. You're gonna let him know what the call is.

• 23:58Speaker 03

  That's the beauty of the game though, right?

• 23:59Speaker 05

  For sure.

• 24:00Speaker 03

  I mean, like, there's give and take from everybody and, uh, no doubt it, uh, it happens. It's fun to watch.

• 24:05Speaker 05

  Let's talk about the Super Bowl season. Talks about a little bit. You went there in the first year.

• 24:08Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 24:09Speaker 05

  What, I mean, when you signed in LA, did you anticipate that happening that quickly?

• 24:13Speaker 03

  I mean...

• 24:14Speaker 05

  Probably not, right?

• 24:15Speaker 03

  No.

• 24:17Speaker 03

  Any guy that just says, "Yeah, I'll just show up there and we'll win a Super Bowl." I mean, obviously, uh, no, it was, uh, you know, I was excited about the opportunity. I didn't think it was gonna happen there just because I didn't, I think I was going there just because of, you know, the, you know, contract stuff they had just done with Jared and all that, so...

• 24:34Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 24:35Speaker 03

  You know, but I ended up there and, uh, yeah, I mean, I knew we had a talented team, but I just knew that. I, I felt a ton of pressure because I think they returned 10 guys on offense, except for me.

• 24:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 24:45Speaker 03

  And maybe all 11 guys on defense, and I'm like,

• 24:48Speaker 05

  There's a lot of carryover.

• 24:49Speaker 03

  I'm not gonna be the asshole that doesn't know what's going on, you know what I mean? So it was like, a lot of pressure, especially at my position, I'm supposed to know everybody's job in and out, so... Spent a lot of time and a lot of hours just kinda making sure that when I stepped into the huddle day one, they weren't like, "This guy," you know what I mean?

• 25:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 25:04Speaker 03

  So it was like, alright, not only physically could I do what I could do, but I wanna make sure that mentally they were like, "Okay, this guy's on it." And so, spent a bunch of time, and I knew we were talented, um, I didn't know how talented, but you guys have been on those teams. It's like, you know, the week one starters we had compared to, you know, what we were doing at the end. It's, it's totally different, and so, being able to navigate that whole thing was, uh, was incredible. It was an incredible year, you know, we had so many talented guys, uh, you know, especially late after we signed Odell, we signed Vaughn. I mean, it was like, going out to practice was like, I mean, this was just unbelievable practices we had against each other.

• 25:37Speaker 05

  Swag champs, man. You get two swag champs like that.

• 25:40Speaker 03

  It was wild. It was wild.

• 25:42Speaker 05

  Especially in LA, man.

• 25:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, they were, uh, they were fun teammates to have, and I still talk to those guys, but, um, it was, uh, it was a special, special moment. I mean, it was just a lot of years. You know, in Detroit, not knowing if that was ever going to be an opportunity to get to play in those games and, you know, going through the playoffs and, and, you know, winning those games to get to that point was special and then getting to do it at our home stadium was, was crazy.

• 26:03Speaker 05

  And a lot of people focus on your time in LA just because I think the success has been there as a team.

• 26:07Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 26:08Speaker 05

  You balled the fuck out in Detroit.

• 26:09Travis Kelce?

  Oh, every year, every year.

• 26:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, every year. Calvin Johnson, I mean.

• 26:13Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, what the fuck was the light throwing to Calvin Johnson, dude?

• 26:16Speaker 03

  He was a monster.

• 26:17Travis Kelce?

  Dude, Megatron, man.

• 26:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, just a creative player. He didn't say much, you know, and I wish I was, I wish I would've got, obviously, more time with him. Anytime you got a great player like that, you're like, man, I wish I had more time to play with that guy, but, um, I just think about like, plug and play him in the system we're in right now and I'm like, oh my god.

• 26:32Travis Kelce?

  Oh, boy.

• 26:33Speaker 03

  Would've been scary.

• 26:33Speaker 05

  That's a guy that you can plug into any system.

• 26:36Speaker 03

  No doubt, no doubt.

• 26:37Travis Kelce?

  I mean, the guy was playing at Georgia Tech.

• 26:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly.

• 26:39Travis Kelce?

  He was literally playing.

• 26:40Speaker 05

  Wow, oh yeah, put him out there. Yeah, he can figure it out.

• 26:42Speaker 03

  But he is, he is an incredible player. I've been lucky to play with a bunch of talented receivers, all kind of different, styles and body types and all that kind of stuff, but he is, uh, I mean, it was crazy.

• 26:52Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 26:53Speaker 03

  Throwing balls to him, I was like, it feels like you're throwing to a D end. I mean, like, that's what he looked like running around out there. It was crazy.

• 26:57Speaker 05

  He's enormous. I mean, you have two, so Cooper in what year was that, 20?

• 27:02Speaker 03

  21 for Coop.

• 27:03Speaker 05

  21?

• 27:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:04Speaker 05

  And then Calvin in 12?

• 27:05Speaker 03

  12.

• 27:06Speaker 05

  I mean, two of the top five receiving.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:09Speaker 05

  Seasons of anybody in the history of the game.

• 27:11Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:12Speaker 05

  And they have you as a person throwing. What does that mean? Like, do you remind them that you're the?

• 27:16Speaker 03

  All the time. I just send a yearly text. You're welcome. No, but, uh, no, it's, uh, no, it's cool. It is, uh, it's something that, you know, I, I feel like lucky to be a part of, you know what I mean?

• 27:30Speaker 05

  I'm sure.

• 27:31Speaker 03

  It was incredible watching both those guys do it in completely different ways. You know, Cooper, like, majority from the slot, um, just unbelievable finding his way through, catch and run guy, and then Calvin just, line him up on the outside and let him go to work on people. It was, uh, it was cool to be a part of both. Um, I definitely am proud of it and that, you know, we got that done. Um, it's a special, special thing, I guess, you know, um. I guess I can get that number one guy the ball a lot if uh if he's getting open.

• 27:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, Schwartz used to tell me that you guys run a goal line play where Calvin will be singled up.

• 28:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:05Speaker 05

  Forward to the other side. And we used to run it, call it diamond.

• 28:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:08Speaker 05

  Where it's like quarterback draw if it's a light box. Calvin, if he's got the one on one, we're taking it and if they double him, you got the screen.

• 28:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:14Speaker 05

  And he's like, you could not be right.

• 28:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 28:17Speaker 05

  Like, it was like a cheat code.

• 28:18Speaker 03

  It was. And then uh like we would get to the point where I I would, it was hard down there in the goal line to see leverage.

• 28:24Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 28:25Speaker 03

  You know, for me, like, was the guy playing inside you or outside of you, whatever. So I got to a point where like Calvin and I would just have, he would just signal to me. Whether he wanted the fade or the glance kinda.

• 28:33Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:34Speaker 03

  And he would just go open hand, closed hand on the inside hand. He just closed hand was, I'm on the fade.

• 28:38Travis Kelce?

  Sneaky son of a bitch.

• 28:39Speaker 03

  Open hand.

• 28:40Travis Kelce?

  Biggest dude on the field, sneaky though.

• 28:42Speaker 03

  Just one hand open. I'm like, ooh, here comes this one right here. So uh, but yeah, I mean, it was crazy. And then we went and played the Saints and they ended up vicing him, you know, down like pump pro.

• 28:52Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 28:53Speaker 03

  And then the next year, on their free, we're playing at Arizona and like the first third down of the game, he's in the slot. And we're running like 525 F post swing like.

• 29:02Travis Kelce?

  Nah, nah.

• 29:03Speaker 03

  You know, and uh, and uh, he's, he's viced on third down.

• 29:08Speaker 05

  Third down.

• 29:09Speaker 03

  Third down from like our like minus 20, you know, like opening possession.

• 29:12Speaker 05

  We're not letting them ruin the game.

• 29:14Speaker 03

  Like, geez, guys, relax.

• 29:15Speaker 05

  I mean, listen, that's what we treated Aaron Donald. We viced him all game.

• 29:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, I get it.

• 29:19Speaker 05

  I can completely relate.

• 29:20Speaker 03

  And I, and I threw it to like Pettigrew and, and we didn't get the first down or something. And I come back and I'm like, how was it? He's like, I still got open. And I'm like, fuck. Of course he would get open, you know what I mean?

• 29:33Speaker 05

  We're gonna cancel him out since there's two guys vicing him.

• 29:37Speaker 03

  Still want, I'm like, God. He was crazy.

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• 29:43Travis Kelce?

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• 30:21Travis Kelce?

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• 30:37Speaker 05

  That's right. This thing is stacked. Seven pools, more places to eat than you can even count.

• 30:44Speaker 05

  I mean, they have something for everybody.

• 30:45Travis Kelce?

  Like, bring the kids, bring mom and dad, shoot, bring the whole crew. Everybody's got a spot. That's what makes it special.

• 30:53Speaker 05

  And the entertainment, live music, ice skating, full-on Broadway shows. It's pretty amazing. Pretty much everything you want in one place. Oh, and did I mention there's a water park?

• 31:02Travis Kelce?

  You didn't, and that's, that'd be the kicker for me.

• 31:05Speaker 05

  I love a water park.

• 31:06Travis Kelce?

  But the crazy one, Crown's Edge, a ropes course off the side of the ship, not for the faint of heart, brother.

• 31:14Speaker 05

  They've also got Playmaker Sports Bar and Arcade, so that means games on every screen. I love a good arcade sports place combination.

• 31:24Travis Kelce?

  All right, count me in. Get the family on the new Legend of the Seas, sailing November 2026 from Fort Lauderdale, Florida.

• 31:31Speaker 05

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• 31:35Travis Kelce?

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• 31:43Travis Kelce?

  That's true. Otherwise, you're just out there running cardio. Can't get open for a big play.

• 31:49Speaker 05

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• 31:53Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, like in your mouth.

• 31:55Speaker 05

  My mouth specifically?

• 31:57Travis Kelce?

  I mean, probably yours too, but I'm talking everybody's mouth. There's bacteria in there that can lead to oral health problems like cavities, gingivitis.

• 32:09Speaker 05

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• 32:19Travis Kelce?

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• 32:27Speaker 05

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• 32:35Travis Kelce?

  Now that's the squad you want fighting for your mouth.

• 32:37Speaker 05

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• 32:45Travis Kelce?

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• 32:49Travis Kelce?

  I was gonna take it back, man. How does a Texas gunslinger like yourself end up in Georgia?

• 32:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, both my parents went to Florida State. So I wasn't like a Texas kid growing up. Like, wasn't like Longhorns or Aggies or any of that kind of stuff, so.

• 33:04Travis Kelce?

  But your whole life, you grew up in Texas?

• 33:06Speaker 03

  I did. But I loved like Florida State. I wanted to go to Florida State. I ended up getting an offer from them, but the offensive coordinator at Florida State for a long time was Mark Richt. He then became the head coach of Georgia. So I started watching Georgia. And my sister went there the year before me. And really, the couple of years before I went to Georgia, they were like second and fifth in the country. They were a really good program. And I frankly wanted to be doing what I'm doing right now, playing pro football as fast as I could. I went there, took a visit. It was like a pro-style offense. Felt like I had a chance to play early. And I don't know, I wasn't like a huge, I wasn't like in love with the recruiting process. And it's so different back then than it is now anyways.

• 33:48Speaker 03

  So I just was like, let me get into where I fit in and keep it moving. And I loved my time there. It was great. Got to play with NoShawn, a bunch of, you know, talented players, A.J. Green, some of those guys. So I was never like in love with University of Texas football. So I know all my buddies wanted me to go there.

• 34:04Travis Kelce?

  I was about to say, even the day and age you're coming out is like.

• 34:08Speaker 05

  Our intern right here, Brandon, is the biggest Texas Longhorn fan you'll ever see.

• 34:13Speaker 03

  I'm sorry. Well, you know what I didn't know? Because I went to Texas, I sat down with Greg Davis, who was the offensive coordinator. Yeah.

• 34:21Travis Kelce?

  He pulls up.

• 34:22Speaker 03

  Tape of the game the year before. It's Vince Young versus Oklahoma State.

• 34:25Travis Kelce?

  That's what I'm saying. You're in like the heart of like prime Texas football.

• 34:28Speaker 03

  But it was like, hey, this is four verts concept here. This is like he had, they had some crazy comeback at the end of the game. And the second half Vince went crazy and he was like, we were running four verts and he's like, well, this is beater box. And then we check it down. We say beater box back. That's like seam outside, go to the back, right?

• 34:42Travis Kelce?

  Sounds like a Texas fucking offense.

• 34:44Speaker 03

  Well, when Vince is quarterback, we just say beater box and run. Well, I am gonna run, bro. Like, show me some major apple white tape. That's what I need. You know, like, find me here. And he just showed me Vince stuff and I'm like, I, I, I'm not gonna hurdle the middle linebacker. Do this shit. So can you just like, find me here? And it just, it didn't, it didn't fit. Um, but, uh, yeah, that's amazing. That was my story in Texas. I was like, I don't know. I don't know what to tell you. That's, that's not my skill set.

• 35:12Travis Kelce?

  So good, man.

• 35:13Speaker 03

  It was fun though.

• 35:14Speaker 05

  So you go from Georgia, you drafted in the first round, first pick?

• 35:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 35:17Speaker 05

  What, at what point did you know you were going number one?

• 35:19Speaker 03

  It was like, uh, it was like a couple nights before, maybe, maybe a night or two before.

• 35:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 35:24Speaker 03

  Um, back when they kind of did that, you know, and like figure out contracts and all that kind of stuff. So, yeah, I, uh, I was in New York already. So it was, you know, doing the whole draft thing and, and, yeah, and they, uh, they kind of called my agent and told them, you know, we're gonna do it. And I was like, all right, sweet. This was kind of nice. Nice walking into the green room, not.

• 35:42Speaker 05

  Having any stress?

• 35:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, having any stress at all, knowing this will be a short sit and, uh, it was, you know, just kind of sat down, popped back up and, and kept it moving. It was, uh, it was a whirlwind. It was crazy. I look, think back on that. I'm like, man, what I didn't know, right? Like so much, but it was, uh, it was a blast.

• 36:00Travis Kelce?

  Did you immediately jump on a jet to Detroit or did you?

• 36:03Speaker 03

  Yeah, the next morning. Um, so I, I like went out.

• 36:05Travis Kelce?

  That's not immediate. Did you have a little fun in the city?

• 36:08Speaker 03

  Had some, had some good times with the, I had a bunch of college buddies there and, and so my family was there too. So we went and had a good time. Kicked it. I had to pick my number. The next morning, the team president calls me early in the morning.

• 36:19Travis Kelce?

  Oh, yeah, nice.

• 36:21Speaker 03

  And uh, he's like, what number do you want? And I'm like, uh, seven. You know, that's what it was in college. He's like, well, Dutch Clark, 1932 Detroit Lion.

• 36:29Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 36:30Speaker 03

  Guy, his number retired. And I was like, oh shit. And they were like, we can call his family and see if he would unretire for him. I'm like, no, no, no. All good.

• 36:37Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 36:38Speaker 03

  Rifling through the numbers, like my dad's in the room, a buddy of mine's in the room and I'm like, hey guys, what number should I be?

• 36:45Travis Kelce?

  Nice, nice.

• 36:46Speaker 03

  And I'm like, rifling through these, like, ah, you don't want that one or you don't want that one. And I was like, all right, I'll just go with nine. Is nine available? They're like, yeah, nine works. I'm like, cool. And in my head, I'm like, great. I don't have to change my signature much. And like the seven just goes to a nine. Like, I'm good. This is easy. So, uh, yeah. After that proceeded to, uh, you know, hop on a jet and fly to, uh, fly to Detroit. So.

• 37:06Travis Kelce?

  Love it.

• 37:07Speaker 05

  Before the two days before when they called you, were there any other teams that you thought, oh, I might end up there like, or?

• 37:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:13Speaker 05

  How was the process, I guess, before?

• 37:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was, um, I, I took a couple of those 30 visits you were talking about. I took one to Detroit. I took one to the Jets. And then I took one to, um, uh, San Fran.

• 37:26Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 37:27Speaker 03

  And so the Jets, when I left there, they were like, we're moving up to five to pick somebody. If you're not there. And they ended up taking Sanchez.

• 37:34Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah.

• 37:34Speaker 03

  At five. They moved up to five to take him. And then the 49ers was, uh, a different deal. They had the 10th pick. They ended up taking Crabtree. But, uh, some like, at the combine, there had been some like, stuff going on in the interview, right?

• 37:48Travis Kelce?

  Uh huh.

• 37:48Speaker 03

  Where they, I sat down with Peter King afterwards and he was like, hey, what's the, what's the craziest thing that happened at the combine in the meetings, right?

• 37:55Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 37:55Speaker 03

  And that was kind of back when they would ask you stuff you can't say now or ask, ask now.

• 38:00Speaker 05

  Sure. Okay.

• 38:00Speaker 03

  And so I'm like, well, San Fran's deal, it was, uh, Singletary was the head coach.

• 38:05Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  And it was, um, it was like a shrink, like a, you know, like a psychiatrist.

• 38:11Speaker 05

  Psychologist.

• 38:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, sports psychologist, psychiatrist lady. She's talking to me about all these different things and it's like, uh, tell me about your parents. I'm like, my parents got divorced, you know, when I was in high school and, okay, do you want to talk about it? I'm like, not really. Like, they're cool. Like, it's okay.

• 38:23Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 38:24Speaker 03

  So Peter King's like, what's the strangest thing? I'm like, well, my 12 minutes with the Niners at that point was. You know, it was like, uh, I wanted to know how much of the prorated hour I owed him after my 12 minutes. And I said that and he wrote that and I was like, and so Mike got all pissed off and was like, he's not, you know, ready to be a quarterback in the league and he got mad. So I had to fly out there and like, just kinda like shake hands and be like, listen, man, I didn't mean anything by it. Supposed to be a joke, but uh, yeah, that was my, that was my trip. Dude, I fly out to San Fran, I fly out to San, I'm on the east cause I'm in Atlanta at the time. I fly out to San Fran. I go there, I meet with Mike. This is awesome. He's getting a Bowflex put in his office. As I'm walking in, I'm like, hell yeah.

• 39:05Speaker 05

  He's getting the Chuck Norris.

• 39:07Speaker 03

  He got scammed by the commercials. Damn it.

• 39:11Speaker 05

  Been there before.

• 39:13Speaker 03

  That's it. And uh, I'm like, this is awesome. But like, it was honestly great meeting with him, the whole deal. And so, you know, I'm meeting with him, they're like, hey.

• 39:22Speaker 05

  That's so good.

• 39:23Speaker 03

  They're not gonna, we're like, you're not gonna be there at 10. We're not gonna get a chance to take you. Had a slim flask, milkshake next to him, had a.

• 39:28Speaker 05

  Doing TIBO.

• 39:33Speaker 03

  Oh gosh.

• 39:37Speaker 03

  It was short-lived.

• 39:38Speaker 05

  The league has changed quite a bit.

• 39:41Speaker 03

  Yes it has. Yes it has. Oh man. Good old Mike.

• 39:46Speaker 05

  Yeah. Uh, alright, well, uh.

• 39:48Travis Kelce?

  God damn, that was good. What do you think the biggest change in the league has been?

• 39:54Speaker 03

  Besides Bowflexes and coaches.

• 39:56Travis Kelce?

  Exactly.

• 39:57Speaker 03

  Um, golly, I mean, it has changed a ton, right? Like, I feel like, uh, the X's and O's parts of it is so cyclical and like, you know, it was all, when I first got in the league, it was all Tampa two. What were y'all's first years?

• 40:10Speaker 05

  I was 11.

• 40:11Travis Kelce?

  13.

• 40:11Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah. So it was like all Tampa two. It was.

• 40:14Speaker 05

  Chicago Bears.

• 40:15Speaker 03

  Chicago Bears, Tampa two, they're bringing the Mike and the Nickel playing three week where they're bringing the free safety and Earl Lacker's cutting and picking four week and taking him to the house, right?

• 40:22Speaker 05

  The pressures were all these like zone dogs.

• 40:23Speaker 03

  A hundred percent. That's all it was, right? And then it went to like, okay, Seattle, we're playing three deep, four under. We got the like, weak hook player carrying three vertical, all that stuff. And then it's, you know, a lot of what you guys are doing, I think is great, you know, and whatever. So I think, scheme wise, it's uh, you know, it's really, it's really been like cyclical. I think the way they can hit players now has changed so much. I mean, I used to get just absolutely. Dumped by dudes.

• 40:46Speaker 05

  You've got some iconic, just like.

• 40:49Speaker 03

  Getting crushed.

• 40:49Speaker 05

  Face mask going in all sorts of different directions.

• 40:52Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's been some tough. Some lean, some lean moments there.

• 40:56Travis Kelce?

  So good, man.

• 40:57Speaker 05

  You'll catch them now.

• 40:58Travis Kelce?

  Just some good memes nowadays. That's all right. Just a good meme.

• 41:01Speaker 05

  Same, yeah.

• 41:01Speaker 03

  No, yeah, it's not the same. I remember at one offseason, I was in NFC North for forever and Julius Peppers, who was with Chicago at the time.

• 41:10Speaker 05

  We can't even just talk to you and sound a too many.

• 41:12Speaker 03

  Jared Allen.

• 41:13Travis Kelce?

  Julius Peppers.

• 41:16Speaker 05

  Are you out of like an action movie? What the fuck are you doing on this football field?

• 41:20Speaker 03

  But Pep, Pep and Jared Allen were both free agents.

• 41:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:24Speaker 03

  In Minnesota and in Chicago. I'm like, good, get the fuck out of here. I'm tired of seeing you guys. And they just fucking switch seats. I'm like, damn it. You know, Julius is in, you know, Green Bay and, and, you know, Jared's in Chicago and I'm like, God, I can't get rid of these guys. But, uh, no, it was, it was different times back then.

• 41:40Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 41:40Speaker 03

  Um, I mean, really all, all aspects of the game, I feel like, but, um, I mean, none of the guys were doing this. So this is a different part of it as well, which is kind of cool.

• 41:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 41:50Speaker 03

  Um, I'm not like ultra dialed into the podcast thing. My wife does the morning after.

• 41:55Speaker 05

  Yeah, definitely.

• 41:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, KB, she does a couple of podcasts and she rocks it. Um, I'm not super dialed in. Cooper and I did a little nine and dime.

• 42:02Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 42:02Speaker 03

  For the team kind of thing.

• 42:03Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 42:04Speaker 03

  Um, which was a lot of fun, but yeah, I mean, just having the ability and the platform to kind of get out there and talk a little bit is cool. It's, I know it's fun for everybody to get to know you guys too. So it's cool.

• 42:12Travis Kelce?

  We have fun doing it, especially when we get guys like this, man.

• 42:14Speaker 03

  Appreciate you.

• 42:15Travis Kelce?

  We got to talk about something that Tom Brady said though. He's, he's saying that college isn't developing.

• 42:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 42:22Travis Kelce?

  These quarterbacks like they used to.

• 42:24Speaker 03

  Mm hmm.

• 42:25Travis Kelce?

  How, uh, do you kind of see that as well? Like, do you see some of these young guys that come in that just are, it doesn't seem like they're as ingrained in the, like maybe the X's and O's or their mechanics as much?

• 42:37Speaker 03

  Well, yeah, and I think maybe kind of what he was thinking about too, when he was talking about that is just, you know, the ability to move and, and do all that. You don't get time in a system, right? Like, think about if you just changed office of coordinators every single year, you'd be like, man, I don't know. I know a lot, but I don't know if I like mastered anything.

• 42:54Speaker 05

  Got everything.

• 42:55Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? And got everything out of that. And so, I mean, cause for me, it's like hard to argue. I mean, what Jaden Dennis did this year as a rookie? I'm like, it's pretty, uh, pretty solid player, you know? And I think, yeah, all those guys that are coming out, like the rookies actually impressed me, you know, just the way that they can go out there and operate and play at a, at a high level to, at a young age, but I do know what he means by that, like. You know, you're just kind of bouncing around, bouncing through college. It's a different feel like we're, you know, I went to a school, you guys went to a school and you're like, feel good about that school, try to learn everything there is to learn about that system and then go from there. You know, I think it's an individual case, like each player, but I am impressed by a lot of the guys that come out and I'm like, I'm a fan of, I want those guys to have success. Like, I don't want the guys to come into the league and I'm not the old guy that's like,

• 43:37Speaker 03

  no, you can't take, you know, don't have my job, you know, like I want you to fail. I'm like, man, I want, I want the game to continue to be great. And, and I want those young guys to play well. So I was impressed by them.

• 43:45Speaker 05

  Awesome, awesome.

• 43:46Travis Kelce?

  I think, I think also it's, goes back to what you were saying. It's just a different game.

• 43:50Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 43:51Travis Kelce?

  When you come into the league nowadays, I just feel like, and this might be me being older, thinking about this, but it feels like it's a younger game.

• 43:58Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 43:58Travis Kelce?

  It doesn't like, I don't see the Ray Lewis's at linebacker where it's like intimidation.

• 44:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:04Travis Kelce?

  Where you're, you're under center and you just, you're staring at Ray Lewis and you're like, okay, here we go. I know you're coming.

• 44:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, the game has changed. They gotta be able to cover and do more in the passing game. No, Ray Lewis would probably still be good in today's, I don't know.

• 44:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, no doubt.

• 44:20Travis Kelce?

  Right.

• 44:21Speaker 05

  You know, Bobby Wagner.

• 44:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 44:22Speaker 05

  You know, I mean, I think, um, but yeah, it's, as the game changes, so do the positions.

• 44:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's not a million dudes doing what I do, like sitting in the pocket and throwing it anymore. You know, a lot of guys are moving around and making plays and I'm jealous, you know? I'm watching tape and like, I know they just see man coverage and like, I'm just gonna run.

• 44:39Speaker 05

  Just gonna run.

• 44:39Speaker 03

  And I'm like, that's an awful idea if I try to do that.

• 44:41Speaker 05

  Everybody's back's gonna be turned.

• 44:43Speaker 03

  Second to 11, you know, it's not good for us if I do that. So guys get open.

• 44:47Speaker 05

  Do you ever watch the combine, any of the college games?

• 44:49Speaker 03

  I mean, I'll, I'll flip the combine on a little bit here and there. I watched some of the college games. I'm not like a huge college football guy. When it gets like to the playoffs and the really good games, sure, I'll flick it on, but I'm not like following a guy throughout the year. Now I do watch those guys when they get into the league, like CJ Stroud, I thought he had an unbelievable rookie year. And I still think he, you know, he had a tough year this year, but they had a ton of injuries around him and all that kind of stuff.

• 45:11Speaker 05

  Griffin's a lot of struggle.

• 45:12Speaker 03

  Yeah. And so they have, but I like watching the young guys play because it's, it kind of like revitalizes me and big raises me a little bit like, golly, these guys are out there just playing carefree, ripping it. You know, sometimes when you have, you know, a bunch of years of experience, you got some scars too, right? And you're like, I mean, these guys are just letting it rip into this coverage and I'm like,

• 45:32Speaker 05

  Carefree.

• 45:33Speaker 03

  I remember CJ threw a touchdown and I think it was a preseason game. He threw like a bang eight into like, into three buzz. Right over the safety's head. And I was like, I saw him that year. We played him or something or practiced against him. I was like, What are you doing ripping the

• 45:49Speaker 03

  Hey, man, they didn't play it right. And I'm like, shit, just to be carefree enough to be like, ah, you know what? Shoot it in there and score. I'm like, man, I'd have been going that way. You know, probably been second six. We'd been happy with the four yard completion, but my man's dropping off the field with a touchdown.

• 46:03Speaker 05

  I mean, I noticed that even just for me, like you get resistant to something sometimes just because you've been burned on.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  A hundred percent.

• 46:10Speaker 05

  And like, I don't really try. And then you'll watch somebody else do it. And all of a sudden it like works out. You're like, man, am I, am I wrong in this? Or am I right? Like, what's going on here? I mean, it sounds like yours is pretty black and white.

• 46:20Speaker 03

  But like the further you go, no, I'm with you. The further you get in your career, you gotta fight that sometimes, right?

• 46:24Speaker 05

  For sure.

• 46:25Speaker 03

  Man, like, I know how they should be playing that defense.

• 46:27Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 46:27Speaker 03

  And they're not playing it right. But like, I went over here and this was open, even though I shouldn't be. You know what I mean? You're like, the teams that are really ultra like undisciplined on defense are don't want to give away any secrets. But those are tough ones to play sometimes, right? Because you're like, you know, you may get a freebie and score or whatever, but um, a lot of times, man, you're passing something because you know the coverage and and it's wide open because they blew it, you know, and it's tough. Um, you know, tough sometimes.

• 46:53Travis Kelce?

  Calvin Johnson's double covered because you're like, man, it is Calvin.

• 46:59Speaker 05

  What uh, do you see anything when you're watching like a young quarterback? Where like, oh, man, he's got it. Or like, what do you, I guess, what would you see out of a trait in a guy that you like to see out of a quarterback?

• 47:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. I mean, I think poise is a huge one, right? Like, because I think that helps, um, you know, withstand time. I think quarterbacks, like so much of it is like longevity. How, how often can you do it? How many years in a row can you just go out there and, and be that player? And there's going to be times where things around you or you were battling something or wherever, and it may not be as good, but like, what kind of, what are you when times are good, when times are bad? Also in game, like, hey, it's fourth quarter, we need you. Like, what does that look like? I think that's something to me that, um, you know, helps. You know, predict and project what guys are going to be like down the road because that's what they're all looking for, right? They don't want like a guy to be really good for one year. They want him to be good for a long time.

• 47:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 47:51Speaker 03

  And that's something to me that like you look at what Jaden Daniels able to do. I mean, those guys, they proved it both. I think through like longevity of a season, but also in game in big moments, being able to come up for the team is pretty cool.

• 48:04Speaker 05

  Yeah, I forget what there was like 11 wins or something like that, like at the last.

• 48:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, there's.

• 48:08Speaker 05

  Something crazy.

• 48:09Speaker 03

  All sorts of them, right? I mean, the massive hail Mary that everybody remembers, but there were a bunch of other ones too that were, that were great plays.

• 48:14Speaker 05

  Yeah, I gotta ask this before we get to this next segment.

• 48:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:18Speaker 05

  You played with two of the best D tackles in this decade plus of football and Aaron Donald and in Dominic and Sue.

• 48:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:27Speaker 05

  Who frightens you more as a quarterback?

• 48:31Speaker 03

  You know, spent more, I probably played more, I don't know, it might be kind of close. I was gonna say I played more games against Aaron Donald than I did Sue, but I played quite a few against Sue there that kind of at the end. I would say having, you know, experience with both AD is, uh, it was, it was a different deal.

• 48:48Speaker 05

  I agree.

• 48:48Speaker 03

  There was like, the get off was crazy. I mean, he just wrecked practices. Sue was that way too, in a lot of instances and was a great player for us in Detroit. And then, you know, bounced around and had some unbelievable seasons at other places too, but.

• 49:01Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 49:01Speaker 03

  AD was, uh, that was something different. Um, just watching him go about his job every single day. I remember like the third practice I was there in training camp, we have no pads on and we're in a quick game. I'm throwing a hitch to the field and I smashed my thumb.

• 49:15Speaker 05

  On his helmet.

• 49:16Speaker 03

  And I'm like, yo, I just caught the ball. It's like catch, throw, bang. And I'm like, and next thing you know, everybody had the guardian caps on. Next to have some, you know, but it was, uh, but he was, he was crazy in his ability. And I would say the respect that he got from offensive lines and other, and other offenses was something I've never seen before.

• 49:35Speaker 05

  Yeah, I would agree with that. I mean, we treated him differently than any other defensive tackler that we ever played in. And Sue was. The rea- I think Shu was like almost, he like wanted to kill somebody.

• 49:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:46Speaker 05

  Where AD wanted to kill somebody too, but it was like a different level of intensity.

• 49:49Speaker 03

  I agree.

• 49:50Speaker 05

  AD though, his like motor, it was every single snap, every single play, you could not take a play off. And he never took a play off. He was running. I don't know how he had that kind of conditioning.

• 50:00Speaker 03

  It was.

• 50:00Speaker 05

  To this day.

• 50:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, well you.

• 50:01Speaker 05

  The combinedness of like his athleticism is like explosive in strength.

• 50:07Speaker 03

  And he was a smart player too. Yeah, he was a smart player. Like, I mean, he knew, like, you talk to him, like, I get in the, you know, cafeteria and you sit there and you talk to him and he's like, yeah, I knew if I wasn't doubled. If the center didn't come to me, it's run away.

• 50:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:18Speaker 03

  Because the center comes to me every pass play.

• 50:21Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:21Speaker 03

  And if a center comes to me, it's pass or it's run two.

• 50:24Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:24Speaker 03

  Center goes away. Like, you're not, not blocking me with two. So he knew it was run away and then he's shooting a backside gap. I mean, like, he was just like, could make decisions and go like that, that quickly.

• 50:34Speaker 05

  For sure.

• 50:35Speaker 03

  It was, uh, it was impressive to be around him and, and watch him work. I mean, the way he worked out. We had a, um, I'll never forget. And he was crazy in the weight room.

• 50:44Speaker 05

  Oh, I know what?

• 50:45Speaker 03

  Came in and worked out with him one time and they're freaking just.

• 50:47Speaker 05

  Night fighting.

• 50:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, he's like, he's a maniac in the weight room, right? And, uh, I'll never forget, this was 21 or 22 maybe.

• 50:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:57Speaker 03

  We had like a Make-A-Wish kid who had like a year before had been like, hey, I wanna, my dream is to go like be with Aaron Donald for a day kind of thing. And thankfully, this kid at that point had kind of beaten the odds and had beaten the cancer that he had, I believe, and like was really on the mend. And it was really cool. Like, he came in and you're like, oh, man, this guy's like doing good, right? High school kid, like bigger kid, uh, like loved to play football. And AD was like, cool, come work out with me, right? And I'm like, I'm walking by, I'm like, yo, what is about to go down?

• 51:25Speaker 05

  Yeah, right?

• 51:26Speaker 03

  And I look over and like, I'm over there doing like banded something and like 30 minutes in and AD's just ripping curls out. And this, and this, next thing you know, this kid is puking in the trash can.

• 51:36Speaker 05

  Oh, my God!

• 51:37Speaker 03

  And I'm like, AD, can you please like have a little kuth, a little understanding like?

• 51:42Speaker 05

  He knew what he wanted. You want to be AD?

• 51:45Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you want to be AD.

• 51:47Speaker 05

  See, I was on chemo for months, AD.

• 51:50Speaker 03

  I'm like, God, can we just relax on the bicep curls for a little bit? It's like, how many do we do till we throw up? You know, it was just like, unbelievable. I was like, this guy has no, I mean, the motor just never stops, man. It was incredible.

• 52:05Travis Kelce?

  I remember it was my first time playing in LA against the Rams and it was a preseason game. And I'm number, I'm number three closest to the line. We're running all go special. It's covered two or at least I see two high. And I'm thinking I'm just right up the hash.

• 52:17Speaker 03

  Yep.

• 52:18Travis Kelce?

  And I take off and I'm like, man, I'm just going to fucking dig for my first like five to 10 yards. And by the time I got to the like five yards downfield, I felt something throw me to the numbers. And I got up out of that play like fucking like little dazed. I'm like, what in the fuck was that? And I watched it on film and it was AD coming from the backside B gap and just fucking smoked me.

• 52:41Speaker 03

  Oh, I believe it.

• 52:42Travis Kelce?

  Cause there was a blitz from the other side and I was just like, what the fuck? I had never felt like more of like, like the lightest thing in the, yeah. I had never moved that fast before ever in my life by anybody.

• 52:54Speaker 03

  I remember we were, I was in Detroit. We're playing a game against the Rams and there was St. Louis still at that point. Jim Bob was our coordinator and you know, I dropped back to pass late in the game. We need to play and Aaron, I have two hands on the ball, right? Like this and Aaron just comes up from behind me and just rips both my biceps apart. The ball falls down the ground and I'm like, I'm looking at him and I'm like, I come over to the sideline. I'm like, I mean, I'm pissed and I'm like, I don't know what I'm supposed to do there. He's like, you gotta find a way to hold on to it. I'm like, go fuck yourself, man. Like, you think I'm going to be able to hold on to this? This is monster.

• 53:26Speaker 03

  Like this and like kindly separated my arms. He's like, I'll take the ball. I was just like, what do I do?

• 53:31Speaker 05

  Like, oh, is that what I was supposed to do? Hold on to it. Got it.

• 53:35Speaker 03

  Thanks for this. That's how this works.

• 53:38Speaker 05

  I was with Jim Bob. I'll never forget when he came up, I, we will probably cut this.

• 53:44Travis Kelce?

  Bro. You gotta tell it though.

• 53:45Speaker 03

  Tell it anyways.

• 53:46Speaker 05

  So I'm sitting there, we had just hired Nick Sirianni and Shane Steichen and Jim Bob was on the staff. I had never met Jim Bob.

• 53:52Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:52Speaker 05

  I didn't know about him in Detroit, really.

• 53:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 53:55Speaker 05

  He comes up and he says, hey, Jason, my name's Jim Bob Cooter. And I fucking laugh.

• 54:05Speaker 05

  Like audibly, like a giggle.

• 54:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 54:07Speaker 05

  And I'm like, oh, that's fucking real. My bad, I'm not one.

• 54:14Speaker 05

  Awesome fucking dude, dude.

• 54:16Speaker 03

  He's a great dude, all time name, all time name, all time.

• 54:21Speaker 05

  It caught me just so off guard. Like, I was like, what the, are we like in varsity blues right now?

• 54:26Speaker 03

  A hundred percent, a hundred percent. You know, he like, he's got like, the name matches. I think his like, his childhood home backed up to the Jack Daniels distillery, like as it should, right? With a name like Jim Bob Cooter.

• 54:41Speaker 05

  It better.

• 54:41Speaker 03

  You kidding me? Back up to Jack Daniels. So, yeah, he's, uh, he's one of a kind.

• 54:47Speaker 06

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• 55:02Speaker 07

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• 55:33Travis Kelce?

  All right, let's get into this last segment, brother.

• 55:34Speaker 05

  We gotta ask.

• 55:35Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, we gotta ask. You can tell us to fuck off. You don't gotta answer.

• 55:38Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 55:38Travis Kelce?

  Uh, but yeah, we, uh, we always wrap it up with, uh, with you. We gotta ask, but you don't have to answer.

• 55:43Speaker 03

  Oh, fuck.

• 55:44Speaker 05

  Um, we gotta ask is brought to you by Mentos gum. Do, do, do, do, do, do, do.

• 55:54Speaker 05

  Cause you're keep doing the same note.

• 55:56Travis Kelce?

  No, it's not.

• 55:57Speaker 05

  You're doing the same note.

• 55:59Travis Kelce?

  I'm doing a different note.

• 56:01Speaker 05

  Do your note.

• 56:01Travis Kelce?

  No.

• 56:02Speaker 05

  Ah.

• 56:05Travis Kelce?

  See?

• 56:05Speaker 05

  Yeah, you were different that time. That time you were different.

• 56:07Travis Kelce?

  Cause I did the same note that time.

• 56:09Speaker 05

  Ah. Go high. Ah. That was close. That was it. That was it. I'm done. All right.

• 56:20Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, no, this would be easy. This would be easy. Rapid fire, too. You don't even gotta.

• 56:23Speaker 03

  Am I elaborating on these answers? Am I just one wording?

• 56:25Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, you can listen.

• 56:26Speaker 03

  No, whatever, whatever feels right. Just give me the question and let's fucking go.

• 56:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's right.

• 56:31Travis Kelce?

  As of, uh, 2024, the only remaining active players in the NFL from, uh, 2009 draft class are you and Jets punter, Thomas Moore Steed.

• 56:39Speaker 03

  Moore Steed.

• 56:40Travis Kelce?

  Moore Steed.

• 56:41Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 56:41Travis Kelce?

  Steed, the E A D.

• 56:43Speaker 05

  It's a combo place.

• 56:44Travis Kelce?

  You can go, but yeah.

• 56:44Speaker 03

  It can go both ways.

• 56:45Travis Kelce?

  Red.

• 56:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:46Travis Kelce?

  You know what I'm saying?

• 56:50Speaker 03

  My first grade daughter Hunter is doing those words right now.

• 56:53Travis Kelce?

  She was reading this one, C, C, read, read.

• 56:55Speaker 03

  A hundred percent. It's the real deal, bro.

• 56:57Travis Kelce?

  I don't know who created this fucking language.

• 56:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 56:59Travis Kelce?

  Uh, do you plan to do whatever it takes to outlast Moore Steed?

• 57:04Speaker 03

  I've been waiting for him to just wither away at some point, but he just keeps going.

• 57:10Speaker 05

  He's a machine.

• 57:11Speaker 03

  We actually played the Jets this year. It's funny you say this. We played the Jets this year. I was unaware that Thomas was an 09 draft pick.

• 57:17Travis Kelce?

  Uh huh.

• 57:18Speaker 03

  Um, and, uh,

• 57:19Travis Kelce?

  Did he fucking challenge you?

• 57:20Speaker 03

  Post game, he fucking came up to me. He was like, yo, can I get a picture? We're like the only two guys still doing it. So, uh, yeah, it was, uh, it was nice to get a picture.

• 57:28Speaker 05

  That's awesome.

• 57:28Speaker 03

  With my guy.

• 57:29Speaker 05

  It'll be the last one.

• 57:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, right? Don't ever ask me for a picture again.

• 57:36Speaker 05

  I love it.

• 57:37Speaker 03

  But, uh, no, I mean, he's, he's got a, a gig that promotes longevity. So we'll see. I don't know if I can keep going, but, uh, he probably can.

• 57:45Speaker 05

  Yeah, he can keep going forever.

• 57:46Speaker 03

  I don't like my odds.

• 57:48Speaker 05

  Do you have a favorite throw?

• 57:51Speaker 03

  One is tough to, to, you know, tough to come up with. Um, I mean, like throwing a fade to Cooper to win the Super Bowl was pretty awesome.

• 57:58Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 57:58Speaker 03

  The play earlier in that drive to throw the in breaker I had where I kind of

• 58:02Speaker 05

  Hell yeah.

• 58:02Speaker 03

  Looked him off was, uh, was another good one. Um, those are the two that come to mind. And then weirdly enough, the three that, you know, hit me first were all to him, but the, the one in Tampa in the divisional round, when they brought the zero pressure on the two minute drive and I just, he's running like a vertical push to clear out for a dagger.

• 58:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 58:18Speaker 03

  And I like caught it, backside safety went over. I was like, oh my God, this is zero. And just

• 58:22Speaker 05

  Boom.

• 58:22Speaker 03

  Launched that one fade away. Um, those three are, are pretty good ones. Cause they were like high leverage, high leverage moments, right? Like there's some cool ones that, you know, you're getting blown out or you're winning big, but those are high leverage moments and, and, uh, was able to. Make it happen.

• 58:36Travis Kelce?

  All right.

• 58:37Speaker 05

  We do have a submission from Andrew Whitworth recently told a story.

• 58:40Speaker 03

  Big Whit, oh great.

• 58:41Speaker 05

  He said, uh, one time you threw a bomb to Van Jefferson against Arizona. I don't know if you remember this play.

• 58:46Speaker 03

  Okay. It's gotta be 21.

• 58:48Speaker 05

  You said, you said fucking dime as you threw it.

• 58:51Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, that was a good one. That was a good one. That too was a good one.

• 58:56Speaker 05

  You like called like nothing but net.

• 58:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:00Speaker 05

  Kobe.

• 59:02Speaker 03

  It was a good one. Yeah, it came out of the hand good and I was like, oh, this is gonna be sweet. And I'll never forget, J.J. Watt was on the sideline, wasn't playing that game, he was hurt. And I like threw it and kinda like spun around and like, for some reason, you know, I'm kinda cruising down their sideline and I like lock eyes, like see him and I'm like, whoa, got him. And I was like, also thank God you're not playing. Would not have been able to get that one off, but.

• 59:25Speaker 05

  Would have been way harder with you in front of me.

• 59:27Speaker 03

  But it, uh, yeah, that was a good one. Um, Ben, when he got that one, that was kind of like a cool, like play action half boot that we had put in maybe that week or week before and, uh, hit it and it was sweet.

• 59:37Speaker 05

  That's awesome.

• 59:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, it was a cool one.

• 59:39Travis Kelce?

  Who put in the fake spike?

• 59:41Speaker 03

  In Dallas?

• 59:41Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 59:41Speaker 03

  Oh my, that was not put in, Coach.

• 59:43Travis Kelce?

  That wasn't?

• 59:43Speaker 03

  No.

• 59:44Travis Kelce?

  That was just you just swinging it?

• 59:45Speaker 03

  Yes, well, I was like, so we throw a scene ball to Calvin in that, in that, uh, the play before and I thought he got in. Everybody thought he got in. Riley Reeve was our left tackle at the moment and he's celebrating like WWE style on the 50 like, aww. His back is to me, I'm screaming high pitched like a girl like, get over here, Ryan. Yeah, and so, everybody's kinda waiting for Riley to get back from his celebration. And, uh, so I'm standing at the, at the line of scrimmage and I've got time to kinda like look.

• 1:00:13Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:00:14Speaker 03

  There's like 12 seconds left on the clock and the D-line's just like chilling in a stance.

• 1:00:18Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:00:18Speaker 03

  Sean Lee was kinda just chilling at Mike Landbacher, which is very unlike him, cause he was.

• 1:00:23Speaker 05

  Very much.

• 1:00:23Speaker 03

  What a stud. Oh my God, he was good. Super smart, me too. He was tough. But, uh, so I had time to kinda see it happening and I'm like, fuck it, I'm just gonna go. Like, I'm not gonna let him call another play.

• 1:00:34Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:35Speaker 03

  We had, you know, just a spike or a kill it, whatever you wanna call it. We had that called and then I just decided to go for it myself and thank God it worked out.

• 1:00:42Travis Kelce?

  All right.

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  That would've been a, that would've been a tough one. Yeah, it would've been an all-time fail had it not worked.

• 1:00:47Speaker 05

  Well, it did.

• 1:00:49Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:00:50Speaker 05

  Was your return to Detroit, the wildest atmosphere you've ever played in?

• 1:00:54Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, I would say so. I think, yeah, both times really, like, uh, playoff game was crazy. That was, that was wild because we ran out for pregame warmups and the place was just packed and just booing the shit out of me and, which is whatever, but, um, but yeah, it was a, that was a loud, loud game. Um, and then we came back, you know, for the opener of the next year and it was crazy loud again. They, uh, they support, when they're rolling, they support, man. It's wild.

• 1:01:21Travis Kelce?

  They're not fucking around.

• 1:01:21Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:01:22Travis Kelce?

  Especially Dome City too. Oh, man.

• 1:01:24Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:01:25Travis Kelce?

  That shit gets rowdy.

• 1:01:26Speaker 03

  Yeah, both, both of those were, you know, night games that had ample time to, you know,

• 1:01:31Speaker 05

  Lick her up, yeah.

• 1:01:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, right. Get, get ready to rock and roll. So they were, uh,

• 1:01:34Speaker 05

  We're gonna remove any type of, uh, uh, barrier we have to congenial, congenialness.

• 1:01:41Travis Kelce?

  What the fuck did you just say?

• 1:01:42Speaker 05

  Alright, I'm gonna stop talking.

• 1:01:43Speaker 03

  Alright, I knew where you were going. To being nice.

• 1:01:46Speaker 05

  Yes, there we go. What do we got? You're a father of four girls.

• 1:01:49Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:01:50Speaker 05

  As I am about to be.

• 1:01:52Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:01:53Speaker 05

  You got any advice?

• 1:01:54Speaker 03

  Buckle up.

• 1:01:58Speaker 03

  No, it's a, it's a blast, man. You know, we saw each other not too long ago and was talking about it. It's a, it's a blast, man. My seven year olds will soon be eight, uh, six and a four. So we're like rocking and rolling. We're in leotards all the time, doing gymnastics around the house.

• 1:02:13Speaker 05

  Oh, hell yeah.

• 1:02:13Speaker 03

  It's crazy. So, um, I don't know, man. I, at this point, I'm like, I don't even know what I would do with a boy. Like, I don't even, I can't even wrap my head around it. So I'm just like, I'm all in on the girls.

• 1:02:22Speaker 05

  Throwing that pigskin and slinging it, man. What's mine?

• 1:02:25Speaker 03

  Figure it out, you know what I'm saying? I don't really know though.

• 1:02:28Speaker 05

  Figure it out, but I mean, changing a diaper with a nutsack there just feels like it would be weird.

• 1:02:32Speaker 03

  Agreed, agreed.

• 1:02:33Speaker 05

  Yeah, like wiping shit up a nutsack? Like, I don't wanna be a part of that.

• 1:02:36Speaker 03

  Uh, I'm with you. I'm with you a hundred percent.

• 1:02:41Travis Kelce?

  He's gotta shine those nuts, man. He's gotta shine those things, man.

• 1:02:45Travis Kelce?

  Where are we at?

• 1:02:46Speaker 03

  Baby nutsacks, I think, is where we left off.

• 1:02:48Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, I think that's where we stopped.

• 1:02:48Speaker 05

  Well, baby nutsacks.

• 1:02:49Travis Kelce?

  We're back on the nutsacks. Uh,

• 1:02:50Speaker 05

  I don't know where that's at in the rundown.

• 1:02:52Travis Kelce?

  Former offensive, no, I'm kidding. Your former offensive coordinator, Kevin O'Connell, told a story about a game before he was head coach where a QB fell down a skinny staircase at Lambeau? Do you, you recall this?

• 1:03:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, that.

• 1:03:05Travis Kelce?

  Was that QB you? No?

• 1:03:07Speaker 03

  No.

• 1:03:08Travis Kelce?

  Oh shit. Uh, we've narrowed down the suspects.

• 1:03:11Speaker 03

  That was the guy before me.

• 1:03:12Travis Kelce?

  Oh shit.

• 1:03:13Speaker 03

  That was JG.

• 1:03:16Speaker 03

  That's why I was obviously not there for it, but allegedly he had a he took a monster spill down those, you know, those like turf.

• 1:03:23Speaker 05

  Oh yeah.

• 1:03:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's old school shit back there, that Astro turf. Yeah. He, uh, I guess he took a spill. I don't know. I wasn't there for it, but that's not a fun way to start your day at Lambeau. It's gonna be tough enough already.

• 1:03:33Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:33Speaker 05

  He's bounced back.

• 1:03:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. He's great.

• 1:03:35Speaker 05

  Do you feel you've gotten, you haven't gotten enough credit for, uh, the no look passes coming, common in the NFL?

• 1:03:42Speaker 03

  Uh, you know, I don't, I don't care too much for credit. I'll keep a credit meter, um, if, whether I'm getting enough or not, but, uh, no, that, for me though, started when I played with Calvin. Because everybody in the building knew I was trying to throw him the ball. And so I was like, all right, how do I get all these guys off my scent a little bit? You know what I mean? Like, and so I'm trying to move backers and when they're like just sending all the zone coverage right there and I'm trying to like maneuver it. Um, so it kinda started then.

• 1:04:10Speaker 05

  Sure.

• 1:04:10Speaker 03

  Like, all right, how do I still get this guy the ball? Um, and so, you know, it obviously evolved into more tactical use of spreading it around a little bit, but I don't ever think about it. It just kinda happens organically. I mean, I know, you know, Pat does them and and it's not, at least for me, like, I'm not like talking about it, you know, you just kinda feel it and you're playing the game. And, uh, sometimes you feel like you need to move somebody and, uh, you move them.

• 1:04:34Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:04:35Speaker 05

  There you go.

• 1:04:35Travis Kelce?

  I'm with you.

• 1:04:36Speaker 05

  It's that easy. Just don't look where you're throwing the ball.

• 1:04:38Travis Kelce?

  It just freezes everybody for a second.

• 1:04:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, exactly right.

• 1:04:41Travis Kelce?

  Well, we got you here. The first time we met you.

• 1:04:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:44Travis Kelce?

  Was out in Georgia.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:04:46Travis Kelce?

  The lake.

• 1:04:46Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:04:47Travis Kelce?

  Dude, you, what was your first impression of a guy like Jason Kelce?

• 1:04:51Speaker 05

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:04:53Speaker 03

  You know, I remember, I feel like

• 1:04:55Travis Kelce?

  And shout out to the Air Force boys, man.

• 1:04:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, man, they know how to go. You let those guys out and look out.

• 1:05:01Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:05:01Speaker 03

  They'd be like, oh, we've been just doing PT for the last six months. Haven't seen anything and they walk out and it's like chasing the bikinis on the boat. It's like, oh. I was like, whoa.

• 1:05:13Speaker 03

  We gotta back up. But these dudes were, they were rocking and rolling, man. They were fun. Um, but it was, uh, those were, those were great times, simpler times.

• 1:05:20Speaker 05

  They were so fun.

• 1:05:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, man.

• 1:05:23Speaker 05

  We gotta, we gotta, we gotta do another.

• 1:05:25Speaker 03

  They were trying to run it back at some point. I'm like, golly, man.

• 1:05:28Speaker 05

  It would be hard now.

• 1:05:29Speaker 03

  It's gonna take a lot out of me.

• 1:05:30Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:05:30Speaker 03

  You know what I mean? But it was 10 years straight they did that. 10 years. I think I was there for nine of them or 10 of them. Started on like a Mastercraft wakeboard boat and then graduated into a giant houseboat.

• 1:05:42Speaker 05

  Backer houseboat. Jesus. Before we get out of here, I gotta have you read this from, um, my former teammate and one of my favorite teammates of all time, Darius Slay.

• 1:05:51Speaker 03

  Oh, love Slay.

• 1:05:52Speaker 05

  He said, uh, I guess you were known to pick on DBs occasionally and, uh, this is a quote from Darius after the Eagles Rams playoff game. It's.

• 1:06:02Speaker 03

  I got you. Yo, I'm not that old. I can, I don't have, I have good eyes. Okay. You don't have to zoom in.

• 1:06:08Speaker 05

  So sorry, so sorry.

• 1:06:10Speaker 03

  It was fun as hell until he started, started trying me the last two drives. Like, goddamn, staff. Like, damn, calm the fuck down. Like, shit, this is so Slay. This is, this is so on brand.

• 1:06:22Speaker 05

  That's why.

• 1:06:22Speaker 03

  I know you've been slinging this motherfucker. Sling that motherfucker somewhere else. Well, Darius, I'm sorry. I just had to do something. Uh, I was trying to fight back, man. You guys were kicking our ass. So it was, uh, I love playing against him. I played against him, you know, quite a few times since, you know, we've both been gone from Detroit and he is, what a great teammate.

• 1:06:40Speaker 05

  Oh, dude.

• 1:06:41Speaker 03

  What a stud. You know, wish him nothing but the best. I love, I love getting to, you know, compete against him. He's, he's a man.

• 1:06:46Speaker 05

  That's it. That's, we gotta, that's, we gotta ask, and that was brought to you by Mentos Gum. I think that's all we got, brother.

• 1:06:52Speaker 03

  I appreciate it.

• 1:06:53Travis Kelce?

  No, thank you, brother.

• 1:06:54Speaker 03

  No, you guys are the fucking great. I appreciate it.

• 1:06:56Travis Kelce?

  92% of Matthew Stafford.

• 1:06:58Speaker 05

  Yeah, baby.

• 1:06:59Travis Kelce?

  Let's go, baby. Appreciate you coming through, brother.

• 1:07:02Speaker 03

  You got it, man. Thank you.

• 1:07:02Speaker 05

  Best of luck this year.

• 1:07:03Speaker 03

  Appreciate it. Thank you.

• 1:07:04Speaker 05

  You know.

• 1:07:04Speaker 03

  All right.

• 1:07:06Travis Kelce?

  All right now, let's wrap this episode up with some, uh, No Dumb Questions. No Dumb Questions is brought to you by American Express.

• 1:07:13Speaker 03

  Mmm, that's right. Only doing one of these today, uh, since we had a, uh, good interview. We're just gonna pick what, uh, sounds interesting and we are brothers. We didn't really prank each other growing up, but, um,

• 1:07:24Speaker 05

  That's the topic for this one.

• 1:07:25Travis Kelce?

  Hey guys, it's Willis from South Carolina.

• 1:07:27Speaker 03

  Hey Willie.

• 1:07:28Travis Kelce?

  And I'm not a parent, but I do have two younger brothers. I'm in college, they're in middle school.

• 1:07:33Speaker 05

  And I'm babysitting them for about a week and a half coming up in like a month. And I want to pull some pranks on them. Oh wow. But I don't know what to do because I'm not a very good pranker, but I want to get better at it. Cause you know, let's have some fun. I don't want to do anything too cruel. Like I don't want to traumatize them, but also like let's have some fun. So what are your favorite pranks to pull on like a middle school age boy? Thank you so much. All right. Willow, let me tell you about a game called poop dollar. All right. Here's what you're gonna want to do.

• 1:08:04Travis Kelce?

  Poop dollar is a great one. It's not cruel at all.

• 1:08:07Speaker 05

  You're gonna want to get it. They're a middle school. I feel like a dollar works still for a middle schooler, right?

• 1:08:13Travis Kelce?

  What? 100%.

• 1:08:15Speaker 05

  Yeah. Take a dollar.

• 1:08:16Travis Kelce?

  A five dollar would get them excited, but they actually, they still might keep the dollar.

• 1:08:19Speaker 05

  Yeah. If you really want to like really get them 20 dollar bill.

• 1:08:21Travis Kelce?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:22Speaker 05

  That'll for sure work.

• 1:08:23Travis Kelce?

  It's gonna take some dirty work though. So you want to go get some hospital gloves.

• 1:08:26Speaker 05

  Get some gloves. Glove up for this. Hopefully you have a pet. That's easiest case scenario.

• 1:08:32Travis Kelce?

  If not, just go to the park.

• 1:08:33Speaker 05

  Yeah. Or you can do it yourself, but.

• 1:08:37Travis Kelce?

  We've never gone that far.

• 1:08:38Speaker 05

  Yeah, we haven't done that yet. You're gonna want to take a 20 dollar bill, fold it in like a U shape. Roam your backyard for some type of dropping of excrement of some kind. Take the U shape. So the bill only, not your hand, Willow. Bill only.

• 1:08:56Travis Kelce?

  But you've got gloves just in case.

• 1:08:57Speaker 05

  You smush it right in the middle of the bill. Now you have it in the middle of the bill. Fold that puppy over on top of each other. Set it down where the boys are going to be, you know, they're going to wander by.

• 1:09:07Travis Kelce?

  They're going to pass by.

• 1:09:08Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:09:08Travis Kelce?

  It's going to be enticing. You gotta be around though. So you gotta, you gotta camp out. You gotta hide out. You have to be there while they pick it up or you're not going to be as satisfied.

• 1:09:17Speaker 05

  Yes. And you're going to want to leave it so that they discover it, pick it up and then find out that. Lo and behold, there's poop inside of it.

• 1:09:26Travis Kelce?

  And you scream. Poop dollar.

• 1:09:31Speaker 05

  So that'll work. That's a good one. That's a great one for middle school boys or really boys of any age.

• 1:09:35Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, um, men, grown men, that gets them to. I would say another one that we, we knew about that we didn't really partake in as much. Um, but, um, icy hot in the jockstrap always works. So you go icy hot in the, it's kinda cruel, but it takes about an hour to wear off.

• 1:09:53Speaker 05

  Chris Pessin got me in, uh, ice hockey.

• 1:09:56Travis Kelce?

  There you go. Yeah, of course I do.

• 1:09:58Speaker 05

  We, uh, so the, the freshmen used to have to like unload the buses or something like that. And we had like a loss or something like that. And I was trying to get the hell out of there. Didn't unload the bus, came back the next day, put my jockstrap on, went out on the ice. Not a fun day.

• 1:10:13Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, yeah. Both icy and hot, just as it.

• 1:10:15Speaker 05

  Nothing icy about it. It was pure hot. Zero ice to it.

• 1:10:19Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, it can feel a little cruel and, um, if they don't wear jockstraps, I mean, just the boxers work.

• 1:10:24Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:10:25Travis Kelce?

  Boxers work just as good.

• 1:10:26Speaker 05

  Yeah. I mean, I wouldn't do that.

• 1:10:29Speaker 05

  That's too far to me, Willow, but, uh, what are some other good ones? What are, we're just not great pranksters.

• 1:10:36Travis Kelce?

  We, we didn't do a lot of.

• 1:10:37Speaker 05

  If you have one of those like, like hoses that, uh, like you gotta squish on the squeeze, like on the, uh, sink. Put a little rubber band around that so that when they turn the faucet on, it just sprays them right in the face. Good one. What are some other good pranks?

• 1:10:53Travis Kelce?

  You could booby trap them. There's always, you can always booby trap them. Get a balloon full of whipped cream or something like that. They open a door, all of a sudden. Smacks them right in the face. That takes some good work, some good, you gotta be kinda handy with the tool in your hand.

• 1:11:08Speaker 05

  Where's she from?

• 1:11:10Speaker 05

  South Carolina? Are there alligators in South Carolina?

• 1:11:13Travis Kelce?

  I'm sure they've ventured up there.

• 1:11:15Speaker 05

  I mean, if, if, if it's a pool day, get an alligator, duct tape its mouth closed.

• 1:11:22Speaker 05

  And go to the pool.

• 1:11:24Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, well, good luck.

• 1:11:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:26Travis Kelce?

  With that.

• 1:11:27Speaker 05

  They don't have strong, they're not that strong at opening their mouth. They're only strong in closing it. So it's duct tape, hold, you'll be good.

• 1:11:33Travis Kelce?

  Yeah, that sounds terrifying.

• 1:11:34Speaker 05

  It'll be very scary though. I was wait for them to be around their fa- like friends and then just pants them.

• 1:11:40Travis Kelce?

  Yeah. Yeah. Got nothing for you, other than they will hate you forever.

• 1:11:47Travis Kelce?

  Please let us know what you ended up doing. We can't wait to hear how you prank these little twin fuckers in middle school.

• 1:11:53Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:54Travis Kelce?

  So that does it for No Dumb Questions, brought to you by American Express.

• 1:11:59Speaker 05

  Alrighty, that wraps up another episode of New Heights. Thank you to Matthew Stafford for joining the show. What an awesome conversation that was.

• 1:12:07Travis Kelce?

  So much fun.

• 1:12:07Speaker 05

  Awesome to re-link after all these years.

• 1:12:09Travis Kelce?

  Hell yeah.

• 1:12:10Speaker 05

  Make sure you subscribe on YouTube to the New Heights channel, follow New Heights on the Wondery app or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes of New Heights early and ad-free right now by joining Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts.

• 1:12:22Travis Kelce?

  Don't you forget to hit up Wondery on the Wondery app, baby. Once again, New Heights is a Wondery show produced by Wave Sports and Entertainment and brought to you by Nike. When the world says you can't win, Nike says so win. Follow the show on all social media at New Heights Show with one S for fun clips throughout the weeks. And thanks to our production and crew, and thank you to the 92%ers. As always, we will see you next week. Peace.

• 1:12:59Speaker 05

  Can we, can we get a harmonization? What are you, what are you gonna start off?

• 1:13:08Travis Kelce?

  You want me to go down lower?

• 1:13:09Speaker 05

  Yeah, go lower.

• 1:13:13Travis Kelce?

  I can't do that one.

• 1:13:15Travis Kelce?

  I gotta go real low.

• 1:13:16Speaker 05

  Where are you at?

• 1:13:23Speaker 05

  Alright, so I'm up there. Alright, go.

• 1:13:28Travis Kelce?

  Now you're doing the whole thing?

• 1:13:29Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm gonna try and... Where's my ending note again? Well, now you're higher.

• 1:13:37Speaker 05

  I can't find where you're at. I can't, I have no idea where you're at. You're all over the place.

• 1:13:41Travis Kelce?

  I'm not a, this is why I don't do music.