CARDI B: Overcoming Depression, Blocking Out the Hate & Owning Your Power

What’s the hardest part about letting go? What helped you start healing after that? Today, Jay sits down with Grammy Award–winning artist Cardi B for a rare and intimate conversation that reveals the woman behind the spotlight. From an early age, Cardi carried big dreams and an unshakable belief that she was meant for more. She opens up about the quiet moments she spent planning her future, the determination that pushed her beyond the challenges of her upbringing, and the resilience that continues to drive her today. Cardi reflects on how those experiences not only fueled her success but also shaped her greatest mission, creating a better life for her children. Together, Jay and Cardi dive into the complex balance between success and struggle, from the weight of constant scrutiny to her most vulnerable battles with depression and the pain of being misunderstood. Cardi opens up about the loneliness she’s faced, the toll of public criticism, and how she found the strength to rise again when life felt overwhelming. Cardi reflects on the challenges of balancing motherhood and career, the values she’s determined to instill in her children, and why building independence has been the key to protecting everything she’s worked so hard for. Cardi also shares how her unwavering faith and deep connection with God have been the foundation of her resilience. She reminds us that real strength isn’t found in perfection, but in the decision to rise after every setback, to hold onto hope when the world doubts you, and to keep working relentlessly toward the life you envision. In this interview, you'll learn: How to Stay Strong Through Criticism How to Keep Your Mental Health in Check How to Balance Motherhood and Career How to Find Your True Calling How to Break Free From Your Environment How to Use Faith to Overcome Struggles How to Keep Working When Life Gets Hard Every setback is an invitation to grow, every criticism a chance to reaffirm your worth, and every season of struggle is a reminder that brighter days are possible. Trust the path you’re on, lean into your resilience, and protect the vision you hold for your life, because it is always worth fighting for. With Love and Gratitude, Jay Shetty What We Discuss: 00:00 Intro 01:21 An Early Passion for Reading 02:29 What Would You Do With One Day of Anonymity? 03:32 Dreaming, Planning, and Envisioning 07:03 Discovering Your True Calling 09:22 Where Do You Get Your Personality From? 10:29 Embracing Your Quiet Side 12:12 How Environment Shapes Growth 19:34 Defining Success On Your Own Terms 22:30 Protecting Your Peace from Negativity 27:33 When Your Heart Isn’t Ready to Let Go 31:44 Overcoming Heartbreak and Loss 34:29 Time Heals All Wounds 36:48 Proving Your Hard Work Is Worth It 42:05 Keep Believing in Yourself 45:40 Feeling Misunderstood 50:34 Balancing Work and Motherhood 52:40 Teaching Children Not to Be Lazy 57:14 Raising Disciplined and Strong Adults 01:00:08 The Little Things That Make You Happy 01:02:20 Redefining Love 01:05:42 Am I the Drama? 01:09:02 Speaking Your Mind Without Fear 01:12:07 Age Brings Wisdom 01:14:33 Does Life Ever Get Easier? 01:17:36 The Power of Daily Prayer 01:20:18 Cardi on Final Five Episode Resources: Cardi B | Website Cardi B | YouTube Cardi B | Instagram Cardi B | X Cardi B | TikTok See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 2:35Speaker 01

  My marriage, I felt the love dying. I was crying every day. I fell in the deepest depression that I had ever had.

• 2:45Speaker 02

  The number one health and wellness podcast.

• 2:48Speaker 03

  Jay Shetty. Jay Shetty. The one, the only Jay Shetty.

• 2:54Jay Shetty?

  Cardi B, welcome to On Purpose.

• 2:57Speaker 01

  Hi.

• 2:58Jay Shetty?

  Oh, my gosh, I have to tell you something, and I mean this. You can go back six years when I launched the podcast. People would always ask me, they'd say, who do you want on the show?

• 3:08Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:08Jay Shetty?

  Like, who would be your dream guest? And I'd always say, Cardi B, and I'll tell you why, I'll tell you why. Because no one would ever put us in the same room together. We're just so different externally. But I believe there's a, there's a spiritual connection that we'll find out today.

• 3:24Speaker 01

  You know, it's so funny. I saw a video of you and I definitely want, I was like, I want to send it to my boyfriend. But it's about like asking difficult questions. And it's like, when you, when you ask difficult questions and you get through, you get over the difficult question and you discuss the difficult questions, it really do make you stronger. It really do make the relationship stronger. It's like, oh, my gosh, he really, it's like, is he a psychic?

• 3:51Jay Shetty?

  Did you send it to him?

• 3:53Speaker 01

  Huh?

• 3:54Jay Shetty?

  Did you send it to your boyfriend? What did he say?

• 3:56Speaker 01

  He was like, yeah, exactly. And I was like, yeah, exactly.

• 3:59Jay Shetty?

  Did it, did it change any behavior?

• 4:01Speaker 01

  We'll see.

• 4:02Jay Shetty?

  Okay, okay.

• 4:03Speaker 01

  On the next question.

• 4:04Jay Shetty?

  I love it, I love it. I wanted to ask you, first of all, I heard that you have a hidden talent that you can name the forty-six presidents in order. Is that real?

• 4:17Speaker 01

  I can't, it, it go, it comes and go, it comes and go. I just know a lot of weird, different facts about presidents.

• 4:23Jay Shetty?

  Okay.

• 4:24Speaker 01

  And people will be like, well, why? That is so random. Like, when I was younger, I didn't really have like Nintendos and I didn't, sometimes I had cable and sometimes I didn't. So I just really had no choice but to read. And like, I like to read like factual stuff. So I would just read like a whole bunch of. History things like me, I will literally, when I'm bored, like you know how they give you the history books in your school? I will literally read the whole history book in a week from front to back, just, just cuz I'm bored.

• 4:53Jay Shetty?

  Wow, that's impressive though. Do you still get bored now? Do you even have time to be bored or?

• 4:58Speaker 01

  I don't be bored, but that's like what I really just like to watch and everything. So like I watch it like, watch YouTube's on like factual things. Like I just get into certain, certain topics and I always go down a rabbit hole and then I'd be obsessed with it for a week and then it's just like whatever.

• 5:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I feel like you can't go anywhere without being recognized. I mean, you have such an iconic look. Even today, I was admiring it when you walked in. I was like, what inspires this? But if you could be anonymous for twenty-four hours, what would you do? If, if no one could recognize you, no one could see you, what would you do?

• 5:30Speaker 01

  Well, you know what's so funny? Like, I really do, like, I don't always look like this. So I usually go outside, probably with glasses or probably not, but I always go outside with like a oversized hoodie. And then, I'm not even gonna lie, due to COVID for like a long time, it really did help using the mask. But I, I do a lot of things by myself with no security, just cuz I'm a person that if I wanna, if I wanna go and buy a, a steak to cook, I will go downstairs to Whole Foods and buy it.

• 6:06Jay Shetty?

  Yourself, and no one will know, and no one will see you.

• 6:09Speaker 01

  They might or they might not, but I feel like I already maneuver how to like, oh, it's Cardi B and I just walk fast and maneuver my way around.

• 6:16Jay Shetty?

  That's impressive.

• 6:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:18Jay Shetty?

  You know, this show is all about getting to know the person behind the music, behind the stardom, behind the fame, getting to know the human behind it.

• 6:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:26Jay Shetty?

  And I feel like your journey, even though you've talked about it, I'd love to dive into some parts that I find fascinating.

• 6:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 6:32Jay Shetty?

  And I wanted to ask you, what's a childhood memory that you have that you think defines who you are today?

• 6:39Speaker 01

  Oh, it's, it's a lot. Well,

• 6:45Speaker 01

  it's not really like a childhood memory, but me and my sister, we used to go to the same school, right? Even though like she's three years younger than me. And she always be telling me this thing, right? She always be telling me this. She used to, she's always tells me like, oh, I used to see you in the cafeteria in the morning by yourself with your head down.

• 7:08Speaker 01

  And I used to feel so bad for you. And it's like, why? And she's like, I don't know, because you just looked so lonely. And I used to tell her, like, it's like, I was not lonely. I just always need time to think and be by myself. Like, I'm a person that I have friends. But I don't really like to be around people that much sometimes. I just, I'm always in my thoughts. Like, there's like a hundred people and I feel like it's been like that since I was five years old. They're talking in my head and planning things out, plan my future, plan my life. It's like I'm playing dollhouse in my head. You know, like when you play with your dolls?

• 7:45Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I get it.

• 7:45Speaker 01

  And you make a scenario, not a scenario, or like you, you build your home and this and you're that.

• 7:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, like a little universe or world.

• 7:54Speaker 01

  Like a little universe. I'm always planning a universe in my head and it's just, sometimes people say that I have like an interesting look. Like, like if I'm spaced out, I'm not spaced out. I'm, I'm deep in my universe and planning five years ahead.

• 8:09Jay Shetty?

  Wow, so you're dreaming, planning, visioning.

• 8:11Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 8:12Jay Shetty?

  Do these different workers, different yous in your head have different names or personalities or no? It's just?

• 8:18Speaker 01

  No, it's not really no different personalities. It's just straight planning tomorrow, straight planning for five years, straight, straight imagining what I, what I want.

• 8:30Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 8:31Speaker 01

  And it's crazy because it's like, everything that I planned for since I was five and dreamed of.

• 8:40Speaker 01

  I really got in it.

• 8:41Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 8:42Speaker 01

  Even when I was like younger, even when I was like younger, I used to look at my mom and I used to be like, I wanna be so pretty and beautiful like her. And I grew up to be the pretty, beautiful woman that she is. But I also wanted like to be very successful.

• 9:05Speaker 01

  Very, I'm not gonna say rich, but like very successful. I really hated being poor.

• 9:12Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 9:13Speaker 01

  And I used to say, like, is that I refuse to have kids and raise them in the hood. I have to find a way to never do that, but I always wanted kids and I figured it out. And I, not only did I figure it out, but it's like, I always have plan Bs, Cs and Ds. But I don't, I didn't have to settle for plan B, C and D. I had, I settled for my dream. Like, this is my dream job and I have it. It's a little bit more difficult than what I saw in my dream. But I'm living it. This is what I always wanted.

• 9:48Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, that's incredible. As, as that little girl who was sitting alone that your sister said, she would see you and she'd feel sorry for you, but inside your head you were dreaming.

• 9:56Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 9:57Jay Shetty?

  Was it dreaming about music? Was it dreaming about getting out of the hood? What were those dreams? What did they look like to that little girl back then?

• 10:04Speaker 01

  I always felt like I was gonna be a superstar. And it's so weird because my grandma, she has like a lot of grandkids.

• 10:14Speaker 01

  But she always used to tell me that. And it's like, why you always used to tell? Like, I don't understand why she used to tell me that all the time. Like, I used to be like a little black sheep. I used to like nag a lot. I have like cousins that they're very pretty. They have beautiful, beautiful eyes. They just stand out so much. And it's not that I don't stand out. It's just like, out of everybody, my grandma used to be like, you're gonna be a superstar. You need to practice how to sing because you're gonna be a superstar. And I just knew I was meant to be something. Like, for some reason, me and my sister, we have like really strong personalities.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  And I feel like, like the things that they used to tell me, they would tell her the same thing too. Like, all my teachers, all my friends, they're gonna be like, you're gonna be somebody. You're gonna be somebody someday. But I always just wondered like, is like, what is my calling? Cause I used to like acting and. School, but I'm not a good actress. I used to like singing, but I'm not a good singer. I'm not the greatest singer, like from the pack, from the school. I'm not the greatest singer like. If I were audition for a play, they will pick somebody else because they sing better than me. Or they will pick somebody else because they act better than me. So, and then it's like, oh, people used to like, I'm so funny, but it's like, ah, not a comedian.

• 11:38Speaker 01

  Show like it's like, I am, I'm naturally funny, but I, I can't see it as my job. Just, just, just, just my mouth. This is just me being me. So it's like, what is my calling? And I always wonder, what is my calling that everybody say that is like, I'm gonna be somebody, but what am I gonna be? I don't know. And, and God gave it to me. God showed it to me and, and God really did gave it to me. And here I am, and I just can't believe that millions of people know me.

• 12:06Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, congratulations. When I hear you say that, and you always exude this confidence, you're outspoken, you're bold. Was it always like that since you were a young girl, or did that develop over time? What did, where did that come from?

• 12:19Speaker 01

  I was like born like this. I was always, I, I always been like this. I guess I got my real quiet side. And I always got like into myself side, cause like I said, I be in my own universe, quiet, planning and planning. But I feel like when I open my mouth, or when I am who I am. It's just, this is just how I am. But if I kind of think about it. I mean, like my family are very like funny. They're very loud. My parents are a little different from each other, but they're very loud. They have very strong personalities, both of them. So I feel like it just all.

• 13:00Jay Shetty?

  Came into you.

• 13:01Speaker 01

  Came into me.

• 13:02Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 13:02Speaker 01

  So it's like, you know how people, I don't know, maybe, you know how people, uh, parents give people, uh, their kids their looks?

• 13:09Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  I think my parents gave me a mix of they both personality. I'm a little bit of both of them.

• 13:14Jay Shetty?

  Cardi B even still today finds time for her quiet side?

• 13:18Speaker 01

  I'm naturally quiet.

• 13:19Jay Shetty?

  I, I'm like, tell me about that. I wanna know about that. I'm like, I don't think people know that.

• 13:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, like I'm naturally in my room, just deep in my thoughts.

• 13:29Speaker 01

  And just deep, deep, deep. I might just talk to you the whole day as a friend on the phone. But I don't really wanna see you. Which is so weird. Like, I could talk to my friends all day long, but I like to be by myself. All the time. I don't really.

• 13:45Jay Shetty?

  Are people surprised when they figure that out with you, right?

• 13:48Speaker 01

  Yeah, and my friends don't feel a certain type of way about that because they know me.

• 13:51Jay Shetty?

  They know you, yeah.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, they know I'm not the, the friend that wanna go out to dinner. They know that I'm not that. They know I'm not the friend that, oh, I'm just gonna go to your house and chill and blah, blah, blah. But we will be on the phone like forever.

• 14:05Jay Shetty?

  So what about like parties, events, all of that kinda stuff? That's like, is it work, is it networking, or?

• 14:10Speaker 01

  I do like to party, but some, sometimes I ha- I haven't even really had the time for it. Lately, I haven't really had the time for it. And to be honest with you, even before I was like famous and everything, I wasn't really a club girl. I was already a dancer. So I work in the club, so it's like, I didn't really care to like, oh, I'm going to the club today. For what? I work in it, like, it's just like, I always been like a person that just work, work, work, work, work, work, work, work. Focus on the bigger picture. Just focus on the biggest thing. I always wanted kids. So the goal is to be comfortable before the kids get, get here.

• 14:49Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:50Speaker 01

  That was always my goal. Uh, my goal was always to be a mother, but having your own. I had my own before I became a mother.

• 14:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I mean, you said just a few moments ago that you didn't wanna raise kids in the hood. Talk to me about what we don't know about that, like, how hard was it? What, what was it that was so bad that you were like, I could never raise my kids in the place I grew up in?

• 15:12Speaker 01

  It's, it's just, it's just a lot of things. Like, sometimes when kids are like bad or they get into trouble, people automatically blame the parents. And you could have the best parents, like, my parents, they are not criminals. They have never even committed a crime. My grandma used to tell my mom a lot, like, it's like, you're pretty for no reason. And I feel like they used to tell her that because it's like, she's so pretty. So it's like, you know, Caribbean folks is like, when you're pretty and you're this and that, it's like, they always expect you to be with a man that got a lot of money. And my mom, she was never even tha- that type of person. She was a very modest and honest, hardworking woman. So, and my dad, he's, he's a good man. He's, he, he's a party animal, but he's a good man, he's a good person, he's a good dad.

• 15:58Speaker 01

  However, you will end up going in the wrong path or going in the wrong direction. Because the influence around you, because certain peer pressure or because you almost have no choice, especially if you're a boy.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  You never know if you're gonna have a boy or girl, especially if you're a boy. And when you are a girl, it is a little bit difficult, it is a little bit tougher. I feel like people just grow a little bit faster in the hood. Like when I was eleven years old, there was girls in my class in the sixth grade, eleven years old. I have nieces that are eleven years old. They all they wanna do is play Roblox nowadays. But when I was eleven years old, there was girls that were already

• 16:44Speaker 01

  at eleven in sixth grade.

• 16:49Speaker 01

  So it's like, you go certain paths, uh, path or your environments. Like, boys too in the hood, they're a little faster. So you know, you will be walking down the block and the typical little bad boy, he'll slap your ass out of nowhere. He'll slap your ass out of nowhere, you start arguing with him, he'll smack the shit out of your face. There, that's how boys, a lot of boys in the Bronx are. They're very like aggressive. They're aggressive with girls, they're aggressive, they grouped out, they, they grope you. You just never know, like, one of the, one of the reasons also why I'm so witty with my mouth.

• 17:25Speaker 01

  People are like, why are you so witty, why are you so thin? Like, going to school, it was like, it's almost like, like, I think that's why I'm always so tough, like, boys or girls, mostly boys, they used to like, kinda like, make fun of certain things, but not only just me, to everybody, like the, like, you look at your shoes, they're leaning, look at your hair, your hair is never not done. So, I used to go home and I used to go in the mirror and practice my jokes. And the next day, I will be like, alright, I can't wait till he flame me, I got a joke or two for him. That's why I'm so witty too as well. So, it's like, I don't wanna raise my kids in that type of environment.

• 18:11Speaker 01

  I don't want to. And then on top of that, it's like, it is fun. I had a lot of fun in the hood, but it's like, it's not fun, like, for me, right? It's not fun. Living in a apartment, right? And contrary to what I say, I don't cook, I don't clean. I grew up with a mom that would make me brush the corners, the corners of the apartment, like brush it by hand. That's how clean my, my home had to be, my crib had to be. Every day I was doing dishes, every day I was mopping floors. Every day I was making sure that I go outside to the parking lot and take out the garbage. And even though, no matter how clean your apartment is,

• 18:56Speaker 01

  there will still be roaches, there will still be mice, because your neighbor probably a hoarder. The person downstairs is dirty. Y'all live in the same building, you cannot avoid certain, certain rodents and stuff. And it's like, I don't wanna put my, my kids through that. And it's like, I have to find another way. And then, then another thing that always like gets me in my head is like this one time, my mom, she was working very hard, but we still needed help. So she went to welfare to get like benefit, like a benefit card and stuff like that. And the lady, like my mom, she's the type of person, like it's like, if you rude to her, she gonna be like, oh, I don't gotta take this. And she would just storm out.

• 19:38Speaker 01

  Like, I don't gotta take, nobody gotta talk, gonna talk to me like that. She got a very strong character. And this lady was talking so rude and so nasty to my mom. And she was taking it because we needed the help. I don't want nobody to feel like they have to talk to me a certain type of way because I need the help. And it's like, this could never, ever be me. I would never wanna like be in a situation where I have to go get welfare and the, and the social worker is talking to me like I'm a dog, like I need you. And I just felt so bad for my mom because she just felt so, I could tell in her face that she, she was just like looking for the papers that she needed, like. It, it's just, that vision is always in my head and it's like, it be getting me mad.

• 20:22Speaker 01

  I hope that lady, I won't punching her face to this day. And I don't want that. I ain't wanted that.

• 20:27Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 20:28Speaker 01

  And as a woman.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  Even if you get with a man with money, you should have your own, cuz one thing you learn from young, one thing I learned from having aunts, you could have a man with money, you could have a kid with money. If you stop doing what that man asks you to do, or if that man decides to leave, or if you deal with a man from the streets and he go to jail, that's your child. That's you. That's your responsibility. That's your hustle. You gotta grind for that child. It's always two parents, but sometimes it's not really two parents. And that could be alive right there and then. That's why you always gotta have your own. It's not even about, oh, I don't need a man, I don't need the father, I don't need the thing. But sometimes they get to the point that it's like,

• 21:16Speaker 01

  they're gonna make you feel that way. That's why you need it. I had cousins and I had aunts and I have it. That is like, they men have a little bit of money, have a little bit of land, have a little bit of this. And when those men are done and through with you, and put you off the ringer, it's like, yeah, I'm not dealing with that kid no more. Or like, you get these two hundred dollars every three, four months, when I want you to. I'm not dealing with that shit. That's why I was like, but I always wanted to have kids. So it's like, I have to have my own shit before I become a mom. And that's exactly what happened. And I only do, and I only have one kid. I have three kids. And that's exactly, not exactly the number that I want, but I always wanted a big family.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  Like, I love family. I love family. And there's a higher possibility that I won't be in a, live in a system home with all the kids.

• 22:09Jay Shetty?

  How many kids do you want?

• 22:10Speaker 01

  I want like six.

• 22:12Jay Shetty?

  Okay, so three more.

• 22:16Speaker 01

  I want like three more kids.

• 22:17Jay Shetty?

  Three more kids, I love that for you. I mean, hearing you say that, I mean, as I was listening to you, I could tell there's like a... There's almost like a, you can almost vision what that life was like.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:29Jay Shetty?

  And there's a part of you that's like so happy you got out. At the same time, there's, there's such a part of it that there inside of you that you've been fighting against, you've been breaking out of, right?

• 22:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:41Jay Shetty?

  For all of these years.

• 22:42Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 22:43Jay Shetty?

  When was the moment you felt like, ah, I'm out? Like I broke out? Like, when was that moment where you really felt like, I did it, I'm out, I, I made it, you know, I'm safe now?

• 22:54Speaker 01

  It's crazy because every single time I feel like, I felt like I was safe, I really wasn't.

• 22:58Jay Shetty?

  Oh, interesting.

• 22:59Speaker 01

  Yeah. When I got on TV, when I first got on TV, I was like, did I make it? I didn't feel like I made it because I used to see girls go on reality TV shows and then they will end up right back in the strip club where I was at. So I never felt like it's like, oh, on TV I made it, it's like I'm almost there, but I didn't made it. Then when I got signed to a label, it's like, I'm almost near making it because I'm signed, but I'm not where I want to be. Where I really felt like I made it was when Borac Yellow came out. The million that I made, the first real million that I made, I had to share with nobody.

• 23:39Speaker 01

  I had to share with managers because they signed me to something. It's mine, it's mine. But I never felt comfortable. I still to this day don't feel comfortable. Especially with how everybody just trying to take it from you all the time. It's like, it's like I fight every day to keep this level of success because people want to take it from you so bad. And people just feel like they could, they could tell you when you deserve to, to have this success. Because it just looks so easy, but it's not. It really is not. It's, it's a, it's a challenge to stay here. It's a challenge to stay relevant.

• 24:20Speaker 01

  It's a, it's a challenge to, to keep your mental health, right? It's a challenge to getting up. It's a, everything, everything is a challenge. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's a job. Everybody has a job. You can't complain about getting up and doing a job. The only thing I could complain about is millions of people that love you and then millions of people getting in your head and telling you that you don't deserve your job that you work hard for. That's what it is. We all have jobs. That's what it is about being a, uh, don't, don't complain to them. Everybody wanna complain, I work so hard, I work so hard, I work so hard. You have to work hard to pay your bills. But when you work hard and people tell you that you don't deserve

• 25:06Speaker 01

  the success that you have and you don't deserve to do what you do after you put in so much work, that's what with you, for real.

• 25:16Jay Shetty?

  What makes you feel like that every day? What are the things that make you feel like there's people constantly coming at you? What does that look like in your life?

• 25:25Speaker 01

  I'll tell you something that like been going on for like a hot minute, right? Like a lot of people think

• 25:35Speaker 01

  that I put out music, that I didn't put out an album, that I, I don't be putting out this and that. Because, I don't know, they always say that like I'm always getting pregnant all the time. But I don't think people follow timelines. When it comes to having kids, I'm very seasoned by now.

• 25:54Speaker 01

  I'm very seasoned right now. When I had my child at the beginning, I canceled going on a tour with Bruno Mars because it was my first time having a kid. I did not know anything. I didn't have no nanny, no night nurse. I was figuring out all by myself. I was figuring out, um, postpartum. I was figuring out everything, right? But even when I had a child, it didn't stop me. Three months after I gave birth, I was going, I was doing shows, four or five shows a week into COVID. Then COVID happened. And I put out this big record, WAP, and I put up, up. Then I got pregnant.

• 26:36Speaker 01

  And people thought that I didn't put out an album because I got pregnant. But the reason why I didn't put out an album is because I didn't have a body of work. I just didn't have a body of work. So I couldn't put out no music because I didn't have a body of work. Then, last year, I was planning to have an album.

• 26:56Speaker 01

  I was planning to put out an album. But I couldn't focus. I fell in the deepest depression that I had ever had. And with that depression, I couldn't function. I couldn't function at nothing. And when I talk about function, it's not even like, oh, just working. I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep, I couldn't do nothing. So that just halted everything that I had. So it's not really because of having a baby. Sometimes too, I don't be wanting to put music because I love being in the studio and I love creating music and I love perfecting my craft. And that's like baking a cake. You bake a cake, you practice baking the cake, you practice baking a cake.

• 27:41Speaker 01

  And then when you put out the songs, sometimes it'd be good and sometimes like first people would just be like, we hate it and she shouldn't be doing this. And that's like you baking a cake. You bake a cake, you bake a cake. And people eat the cake and then people be like, this is the worst cake ever. And they splat it. Have you ever seen The Simpsons? Yeah. Moving and it's pretty shit when they they splat the cake. That's how I be feeling. And it's like, that is the worst feeling ever. That's like a guy f***ing you and you think you have the best pussy in the world and they tell you your pussy's trash. You should never f*** nobody no more. That's just how I feel. Like you work, you work, you work, you try to do your best to perform, perfect your craft and somebody just tell you like,

• 28:25Speaker 01

  you shouldn't be doing this. You should never do this ever in your life. It brings you down so much and it f***s with your mental so much that it's like, this is why I kind of avoid it. Just for a peace of mind. Just for a peace of mind.

• 28:42Speaker 01

  I've been okay for almost a year. Like after I gave birth to my daughter, I was a little happy. I was going outside. I started dating. I started feeling really good. Sometimes I have bad days. Sometimes I have good days because I feel like I'm I'm resetting in life. Last week when I put out a song and it's not really the criticism in the song, the way that people ate me up, tore me up, chewed me up just because of one song, I feel like I didn't deserve that, especially for a song that I put so much work in.

• 29:20Speaker 01

  That I just was like, this is, this is why I don't really put music out like this. Because I remember how this used to feel. This is a very terrible feeling to have.

• 29:33Speaker 01

  This is a very terrible feeling to have. And you tell yourself like, it's like, a lot of these people that are telling you these type of things don't have no jobs, don't have no titles, don't have no this. But when it's millions and millions and hundreds of thousands of people, like it's like, not only are they criticizing the song, they criticizing you as a whole. It's be like, this is why I don't really put things up too much. Because it's just like the mental health, the peace of mind is, is so much, is, you just gotta ask yourself sometimes, is it even worth it? Is it even worth it? Cause I haven't felt down like last week for a very long time. For almost like, almost like a year, almost like a year.

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• 32:30Jay Shetty?

  Talk to me about that depression. For you, as confident as you are, as bold as you are, to be so vulnerable, and I'm so sorry you went through that, but to be so honest and open about the fact that a year ago you were in this dark depression, and it seems like the worst it had ever been.

• 32:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 32:48Jay Shetty?

  What got you there? Why were you feeling so low?

• 32:51Speaker 01

  It was just a lot of pressure from my career.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  And I also felt like my marriage,

• 33:01Speaker 01

  like I felt the love dying.

• 33:05Speaker 01

  From my end, from my end, from his end. I was very lonely because I chose to be lonely, choose to be lonely. I was saying like, you know what? I can't go through this anymore. I have to put a stop to it. But when I said I was gonna put a stop to it, because you could say you're gonna put a stop to it, and you could, you could go a month without being around somebody. It's not, it's not until you, it's not

• 33:35Speaker 01

  when you say so, it's when your heart say so.

• 33:39Speaker 01

  I kept telling myself, I will not contact this person for a month. I will not give in, I will not forgive this easy. I will not go back, I will not go to the pattern, I will not go through it. But I was crying every day, I was hurt every day. I was out here in L.A. in a mansion by myself, I was thinking about it every single day.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  And when your heart is not done, your heart is not done.

• 34:06Speaker 01

  Then, I told myself,

• 34:10Speaker 01

  I'm pregnant.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  I'm going to accept the,

• 34:22Speaker 01

  I'm gonna accept my flaws, the flaws that I bring in this marriage. I'm gonna apologize for it, and I'm gonna work on it. And when I take accountability, and you take advantage of me taking accountability, and you take that as a, see, I know she be back, instead of me taking accountability, and you taking advantage of that, it really just killed everything. And while it was dying, I had a human growing in me. And I just had, and I just kept thinking like, it's like, what's life going to be without this person? What's life going to be without raising

• 35:06Speaker 01

  my last child without this person? What's life going to be with that person not being my friend anymore, without nothing? When you have those type of thoughts, it will make you sad, it will get you depressed. It will have you lost. But I overcame that. And I am the the strongest. That like I have ever been like I almost feel like. When was I ever my strongest my the. I felt my strongest when I was twenty two, twenty three, twenty four. That's when I felt like my strongest and I was like living in a power. And that's how I feel right now, like I feel like I live in a power. And it took months.

• 35:51Speaker 01

  For the heart to say. You're done instead of my mouth and my brain. My heart had to be like, you're done. Cause you could say it and you could take actions. But even if you take actions, if you're not done, you're not done like I kept asking. Like around that time I was working with Shakira and I was like, how the did you over overcame this like? How did you overcame this and it's like it's going to happen? And it's like it will never happen and it happened. It took some crying, it took some thoughts, scary thoughts.

• 36:28Speaker 01

  But I'm here, honey.

• 36:29Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 36:29Speaker 01

  I'm I'm here and I'm the strongest I've been and I'm.

• 36:34Speaker 01

  Just.

• 36:36Jay Shetty?

  I love hearing that.

• 36:39Speaker 01

  But it was hard.

• 36:40Jay Shetty?

  I can tell I I could tell I could see it. As I'm speaking to you, it's it's not easy and. I think those moments in all of our lives are are the most difficult moments. What did you do for your mental health at that time? What what did you do? What actions did you take? What did you have to? Do to keep yourself together and come back the strongest you are right now? I think there are so many people who are listening, who have probably been through similar things, who feel broken, feel hurt, feel. Lost and confused. What worked for you? That helped you come back the strongest you've ever been?

• 37:12Speaker 01

  I don't know if it was just time because I kind of did a little bit of everything. Like I I did do therapy. I did so I did so therapist, she's really good, by the way. It was like on Zoom and it was like. I I was telling myself like it's like I can't believe. I'm telling a whole stranger. My feelings, my thoughts, my personal business for three fucking hours straight.

• 37:43Speaker 01

  I was just like, what the fuck am I doing? That just feels so weird. I was in there, I did therapy for, I did a couple of sessions. They didn't give me no nothing.

• 37:56Speaker 01

  I was all spring, all summer, recording.

• 38:01Speaker 01

  It just wasn't like enough. I just felt like I just had to let it die on its own. Let things die on its own. And the bad thing about it is that it's like now only am I dealing with that. That's, that's my personal life. I was also dealing with fans putting pressure on me. Cause they want, you know, they want an album, they want products from me. I had people that don't like me talking down on me. And then I had peers trying to start problems with me. And all of that, while I was going through a mental fucking breakdown at home. So it was just a lot. It was like, I'm trying to work it. I'm trying to sleep it.

• 38:47Speaker 01

  After I gave birth to my daughter, my, my baby girl, I was just like, fuck it. Take a break from work and I was just going out every weekend with my friends. It was scary talking to somebody else and giving them a little piece of me. Not just out of my heart, just a little piece of me.

• 39:12Speaker 01

  And, but.

• 39:17Speaker 01

  I overcame that.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  And I just, that's why I feel like I just became a little bit more better, like just resetting.

• 39:26Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, it's a good, it's a good reminder that time is the ultimate reset. And time does have a healing power that we, you know, the cliche of time heals all wounds.

• 39:38Speaker 01

  But it's the truth.

• 39:38Jay Shetty?

  But it's true, yeah, it's a cliche because there's truth in it.

• 39:41Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:41Jay Shetty?

  There's some reality in it, that time and distance and, and being patient enough. I was, I was working with a client recently who was going through a breakup. And when we would speak in the first month, she would tell me every single day that she couldn't stop thinking about the guy she was breaking up with, that broke up with her. And then the second month, she'd tell me every. Other day. And then the third month, you tell me once a week.

• 40:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:12Jay Shetty?

  And then the fourth month, you were just telling me once a month. And I was like, you don't see it, but I see.

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 40:17Jay Shetty?

  That it's affecting you less and less and less as time goes on. But when it's you, you feel like you're just still stuck there. And so it's such a great reminder that time is the ultimate reset and time does heal.

• 40:28Speaker 01

  And and just because time heal, like in the meantime, don't, don't think that like you shouldn't like try to get help. Because it's like therapy didn't really help me like that.

• 40:40Jay Shetty?

  It didn't work for you.

• 40:41Speaker 01

  Not as much. Well, maybe because, maybe because I didn't get to the part of where you get the help. I mean, I did do this like six sessions. I don't know.

• 40:54Speaker 01

  Um. Like sometimes when I give advice to girls, I be like, bitch, boss up, boss up, go to work, get pretty. But even when I was doing that, I had like a pain in my heart. And sometimes when I was going out with my friends and I was having a good time, it will always be like around four thirty A M. When it's time to go home. And I'm drunk. And I'm thinking to myself. I am alone. I don't have nobody to talk to. And it feels really weird and it feels very lonely, especially when you're used to that.

• 41:31Speaker 01

  However, don't, don't avoid that. Don't like, don't avoid that. But it will be time that will heal it. It will be time. Time just heals everything.

• 41:44Jay Shetty?

  When you said again last week, you were saying when you put new music out, it was kind of the lowest you'd felt in another year. What's the hardest part for you to take that criticism? Because like you said, you're quick with it. You've got responses. You've lived in a place where you had people coming at you. Why is it so hard to put out something you love? It seems like you really put your heart into your work.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:07Jay Shetty?

  And so when you put that out, is is that why the criticism hurts the most? Because you put so much heart and soul into your work?

• 42:14Speaker 01

  Yes, because I put like a lot. I always, I don't like what, like, I'm not a lazy person.

• 42:21Jay Shetty?

  Mm-hmm.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  And I do understand my flaws. Well, it's not really my flaws, because a lot of people will say something about my accent, right? But it's funny, because my accent to some people might be my flaw, but it's also my superpower and what makes me unique. Some people will say that I have a Spanish, a Spanish accent, but I really don't really have a Spanish accent. I have a very unique accent. I talk very unique. When you try your best to like, perfect your accent, perfect your flows, perfect everything. I always try to perfect everything that I'm doing at the time, I always try to perfect it. Like, even when I was a stripper, I guess like, okay, I'm a stripper, but I'mma be the best pole dancer in here.

• 43:07Speaker 01

  And I'mma fucking bust my ass, bust my knees, get, practice every day until I could be the best at it. That's the same with music, I'm gonna perfect it. That's the same with my, um, marketing, I'm gonna perfect it. That's the same with my business, I'm gonna perfect it. I like to perfect things, and, and if it's not the best things, if I, if I'm not the best at it, I could say that I tried to be. And I worked my ass off to be, and I didn't make it easy for myself. So when people just throw it in your face, and then make other narratives on top of it with that, it's like,

• 43:46Speaker 01

  that is so mean, and, and it's also like different narratives of you, like, it's like, wow, you, you don't even know me. You don't even know me, and you're making all these stories, scenarios, all this this, over one song. Like, for example, when I did this song, and people didn't like this song, so many people was like, they just, Cardi was, Cardi never deserved to be a rapper, they just made it so easy for her. And it's funny, because it's like, this shit was not given to me. I worked my ass off for me, and I planned it, just like you see when I was a little girl, I used to plan everything. I plan every step, every single step.

• 44:31Speaker 01

  And I might even be inspirational to other artists coming up, because for a long time, since I have such a big personality, people just feel like. She's funny, she's funny, she's funny. So it was really hard for labels to take me serious. And some labels were trying to fucking give me scraps to do a slavering record deal. And even when I was on TV and I thought it was gonna be my big break for like people to recognize me as an artist, it wasn't. I was doing good numbers on my mixtape. It wasn't enough. So the money that I was getting for partying and hosting, I took that money.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  I made my own concerts and the best thing about it is that everything is documented. I did my own concerts. Four, five hundred to four hundred people in New York, eight hundred people came out. Singing my songs and I went to the, a label and I was like, this is why you need to sign me. It's not just fucking Instagram. It is real life. And the fifteen thousand dollars that I used to get for hosting parties, I used it to rent cars, rent buses, rent venues, to perform my songs, to show these labels like, it's like, I'm the one.

• 45:56Speaker 01

  This shit ain't fake. This shit ain't a personality thing. This ain't a love and hip hop thing. This is, this is what my music is doing. This is the people singing it and doing all of that and now being this far. After you plan everything and people will tell you that you don't deserve it and you got it because of this, this and that. That pisses me the fuck off.

• 46:21Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 46:22Speaker 01

  Cause everything, everything that I did is documented. This shit wasn't given to me. I didn't open my legs for it neither.

• 46:31Speaker 01

  So that's the type of shit that be getting me angry. Like it's like, don't tell me that I didn't put the fucking work in. When I put the work in, there's days that I, I miss, I miss birthdays, I miss, I miss birthdays, I miss family events. This shit has gotten in the way of like my, my, my personal relationships, marriage and everything. Just for somebody to tell me, somebody that never did shit in their motherfucking life told me that I don't deserve it. Get the fuck out of here.

• 47:00Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. I mean, you know what, though? I also find that Instagram and TikTok or whatever platform it is, the comments that are negative are just loud. Because you can literally go to someone's comment section and see negativity or whatever. But then, like you said, you go to an arena and everyone in the arena is screaming their name and singing their songs. And so it is this really weird thing that happens for the mind where you're watching your page or you're watching yourself on someone else's page and there's criticism. But then actually, there's all these other people that love you. The negativity and the hate is just so loud.

• 47:35Speaker 01

  It is loud.

• 47:36Jay Shetty?

  And people say stuff.

• 47:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 47:37Jay Shetty?

  Whereas the people that love you, they just press the heart, right? So it's always like that weird thing where I'm like, the mind just overvalues negative feedback and undervalues the positive feedback. Because the negative feedback is just so critical and loud and heavy. When you reflect on it and after you think about it for a week, do you think I want to prove them wrong? Or do you go, actually, who cares about them? Where do you end up after a week of reflecting on it?

• 48:03Speaker 01

  Like last week, right? I was in tears. And I was telling myself, I was telling myself, like, it's like, not only myself, I told this to my friend, actually. I told this to my friend. I was like, sometimes people say, don't let the devil win. But what happens if you let the devil win? Maybe I need to let the devil win so I can have a peace of mind. And then I'm like thinking to myself, like, why the fuck would I ever say let the devil win?

• 48:33Speaker 01

  Imagine praying to God on your fucking knees every single night, asking God, God, please bless me with this. God, please give me that. God, please give me this. Please give me that. Please bless me with this. Please bless me with that. Just so you could like, everything that God gave you, tell the devil, here, you can have it. Because he's sending.

• 48:58Speaker 01

  Sometimes the devil sends evil in human forms and in human mouths and hu- and humans tongue. Just so you could tell the devil to have it? Like, imagine how God feels. Imagine God be like, alright baby, alright girl. Here, you, here, here, here have this. You wanted this, here, here's what you get. And then, like, it's like, it's like he's giving you something. And then you go to school and they be like, that's ugly. And that's something that you've been asking for a long time and now you don't like it because somebody told you that it's ugly.

• 49:32Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, well said.

• 49:33Speaker 01

  And it's like, how I almost let the devil win? And I was telling myself that, I was telling myself that, and like I said, I was telling it. But sometimes you gotta have, believe it from the heart, cuz your mind could tell you it, your mouth could say it, but you gotta believe it from the heart. This week though, I feel so much better and I feel so much confident and I was like, I'm not gonna let the devil win. I'm not gonna be like, you know what? I was telling my team like, cuz like, you know what? I just need some days off. And it's like, how the are you gonna take some days off when your team been planning all of these? All of these things that you had to do for your album rollout because of these people? That are spewing things that the devil wants you to, to think of yourself. I almost let this motherfucker win.

• 50:17Jay Shetty?

  Don't let the devil win.

• 50:19Speaker 01

  Cuz, how you think God feel? How you think God feel, Cardi? Gave you all this shit you've been asking for forever, just so you could say that? That really pissed me off about myself cuz I can't believe I said that.

• 50:36Jay Shetty?

  Well, no, I think it's human. I mean, even as I'm listening to you, I'm thinking, everyone will be relieved because, you know, when someone is confident and as bold as you are, and as outspoken as you are, which is, which are all amazing qualities. The truth is though, that we all have these human moments.

• 50:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:52Jay Shetty?

  And it's not a weakness, it's natural for all of us to feel pain, to experience sadness, to experience. And it humanizes you in a good way. It makes me feel like, oh wow, if Cardi feels that, then, hey, I, I can feel that too, you know, like, if, if she goes through those days and she gets out of them and, a week later, she's feeling better and a year ago, she was in a real mess and she's feeling better, then, then maybe I can take something from that as well.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  I'm not a perfect person.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  I'm not a perfect person and sometimes I'm a little bit misunderstood.

• 51:23Jay Shetty?

  How do you think you're misunderstood?

• 51:26Speaker 01

  I don't even wanna bring this up again, but it's like, I could tell you how I misunderstood. I actually got dragged for weeks because of this. So I made, this I, I think I'm just a little misunderstood. Sometimes I could be, I don't have a, I'm not a dark humor person. I'm not a dark humor person, but sometimes like my humor could be a little rough. And I feel like my humor could be a little rough because like, you know, like I said, like Bo- Boys in the Bronx. They will make really tough jokes on you. And then on top of that, like it's like, like a family like mine. We're always cracking jokes on each other. Like, it's like,

• 52:07Speaker 01

  like being Caribbean, Caribbean people, like if you too skinny, they'll be like, girl, you shaped like candle. Like you shaped like a fucking candle, just small like a fucking candle, like a white candle. Or like the Americans, like when you shaved like big from the top and small on the bottom, they'll be like, cuerpo de yuca.

• 52:23Jay Shetty?

  What does that mean?

• 52:24Speaker 01

  It's a certain type of, yeah.

• 52:26Jay Shetty?

  Okay, okay.

• 52:27Speaker 01

  And it's like, it's rude, but it's like, it's just something that is like, people just joke around that it's just so naturally. So sometimes my jokes might be a little bit, not for everybody. And when I make certain jokes, like, like I made a joke the other day with my fans because they, they literally started the joke. And then I continue the joke and because of the joke and I refuse to apologize for it. People was just saying that I'm just such a mean person, that I was trying to bully people, that I'm hurtful to people. But it's like, I wasn't even trying to hurt nobody. My intent wasn't to hurt nobody. It's just like, everybody naturally jokes with their friends. Everybody naturally jokes with their peers. Everybody just might say,

• 53:10Speaker 01

  not, not the most nicest jokes or stuff like that. However, like, I'm not trying to hurt nobody. I don't wanna hurt nobody. And so many people criticize me because of that, or like judge my character because of that. But it's like, I'm not this evil, mean person that people think that, that I am. I'm very actually compassionate. I'm too compassionate. That's why I cry for, there's something that might be going on in the other side of the world and I'm crying for it. And it's like, why am I crying for this? Like, this is crazy. I'm very compassionate and I'm very understanding and I'm a Libra, so I see always two sides of the scale. I always have sympathy, just a little. I even have sympathy for, for bitches.

• 53:52Speaker 01

  I have sympathy for bitches that my man and they have taken a family loss. I'm like, damn, I feel bad for her. That's how sympathetic I am.

• 54:03Jay Shetty?

  Why, why, why do you feel sympathy for them? Like, where does that come from? Or what do you feel?

• 54:08Speaker 01

  I don't know, it's just.

• 54:10Jay Shetty?

  It's just how you're made?

• 54:11Speaker 01

  It's just how I'm, that's just how I'm made and stuff like, that's just how I am. However, people just have this thought of me and that's because my mouth is so rough, like I'm a little rough and I curse like a sailor. And I give advice very strong.

• 54:30Speaker 01

  But everybody in my family give advice like very strong and I don't have yes men's neither. So my friends will give me advice in the most rudest way. That is like, damn bitch, do you like me? But it's the truth.

• 54:46Speaker 01

  And that's just how I am. That's how I'm gonna talk to you and that's just how I am because it's the truth.

• 54:51Jay Shetty?

  And you're like that with everyone? It doesn't change for anyone?

• 54:54Speaker 01

  And I'm like that with everyone.

• 54:56Jay Shetty?

  How about the kids?

• 54:57Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm like that. I'm like that with my kids too, like, you little, god damn it, I'm tired.

• 55:06Speaker 01

  But you can't tell me I'm, I'm a bad mom. I'm a great mom. If I'm good at something is being a mom. But sometimes I'll be like, get the, you little, get the, god damn it, I'm sick of you. But that's just how I talk.

• 55:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 55:22Speaker 01

  Does that make me a bad mom? I, I don't think I'm a bad mom. Shit, I give them too much.

• 55:30Jay Shetty?

  It's, it's funny you say that. I was, I was talking to a parenting expert on the podcast a few weeks ago. And she was saying that parenting is the most inconvenient thing. She goes, you love them, but they're inconvenient. Like it's hard, like if you're honest about it. And so there's a, there's a real feeling about how, how tough being a mom is. How, how do you balance being a superstar and being a mom? Like, how do you? You said it yourself, you wanna be the best at everything. When you do something, you wanna be the best at it. So I assume that applies to being a mom too.

• 56:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:01Jay Shetty?

  And so it's like, how do you do that? What is it to you? What makes you a great mom? What are the parts that you focus on? And how do you balance those two crazy worlds?

• 56:09Speaker 01

  I think that what makes me, I think that what makes me like a good mom. I don't give my kids, it's not that I give my kids everything, but they just think I'm so funny. Like even when I curse at them, they just think I'm so funny. And it's like, I'm being serious with y'all, but they just love me. I don't know why they, I mean, of course, I know why they love me, but it's like, why y'all love me so much? I guess I'm a good mom because they love me so much. They just think I'm so entertaining. They think I'm so fun. Even when we're just laying in bed, they just wanna lay in bed with me. Ain't no target, we ain't going to the goddamn Target. We ain't going to Target. Don't ask me for no goddamn Roblox. That's exactly how, don't come in here asking me for no goddamn Roblox. You ask me one more time for an iPad for one of your cousins,

• 56:54Speaker 01

  we're gonna have a problem. This is exactly how I talk to my kids. And they still love me. They just love me. I don't know, they love me for who I am. They love me. I don't even know how to explain it. I do, I do give them everything though. But now, giving them everything doesn't always make you the greatest mom. Because it's like, you seen, you seen cases where like the parents work so hard, they give their kids everything and it's not enough. Like them two brothers, what's they called again?

• 57:23Jay Shetty?

  Uh, oh yeah, the Menendez brothers.

• 57:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, you could give them everything, but if they don't love you, they just don't love you. I don't know, they just, they just love me. I just always remind them that I love them, but I will curse them out though.

• 57:44Jay Shetty?

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• 59:39Jay Shetty?

  What's a quality or a skill that you have that you really want them to learn and develop and grow as they get older? I know they're young right now, but.

• 59:47Speaker 01

  Please don't be a bum. Please don't be a bum. Please don't be lazy. Some people are. Some people have the look, the intelligence, the talent. Some people really have that.

• 1:00:06Speaker 01

  But they don't go nowhere because they're lazy. Don't be lazy. Don't just be, oh, your parents are this and that. No, be your own person, be your own human, be something. Be something, be something that you could be proud of. My mom, she was not, she's, she was, she was a lunch lady practically. But I am very proud of my mom because she used to work her ass off. She could have went to my grandma, like, I, I'm going through a tough time right now. Can you raise my kids for a year or two? She never did that. My, my grandmothers as well. One of them got ten kids, the other one got thirteen kids. They worked every day.

• 1:00:51Speaker 01

  My grandma from my dad's side, she gave birth on her kids in her wooden house. And then a couple of days later, she working back in the farm. And she brought all her kids to America. One by one, different time. Same with my grandma, she had, my, from my mom's side, she had thirteen kids. She used to cook, cook, cook, cook, sell food, sell food, sell food. She brought all her thirteen kids over here, like, it's, it's no excuse, but I could say that because they did that. And you're gonna be able to say that about me, like, it's like, my mom worked every day, I seen my mom work every day. Be that. Be that, one day you're gonna have kids one day, and you want your kids to say that about you. That you worked hard every day, that everything you got, you deserved it, that you made it, nobody gave it to you.

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  You don't wanna be like, oh, you're just, you're just successful because you're a whole man, like, I have a son, I have a son. You don't want nobody said that you, you fly. And you fire because you somebody's son. No, I'm fly because I'm my own man, I made myself a man, I work my ass off. You gonna have a bitch one day. You don't want your bitch to be like, oh, he a mama boy, he a daddy's, no. I'm a hardworking man, baby girl. You can't, same with my daughters. You know, they're gonna roll you over because you got your own shit. You're more than just a pretty face. Be a boss. Be something. Please, I don't give a fuck what they do, whatever.

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  Just, just do not have that lazy bone on you like the, the. Ain't no way that I'm busting my ass for you motherfuckers. Just so you could end up not being shit. I'm giving ya everything, every, even when, even when they eighteen. And stuff like that and it's time to leave. If you want an apartment, if you wanna, if you want a, a car, I'll give it to you. But please, please, become something. Don't be no, please don't be nothing. That would be the worst disappointment they could ever do. Don't disappoint me like that. Whatever you do, just don't be a nothing.

• 1:02:57Jay Shetty?

  If, if you give it to them, don't, don't you think they'll be lazy then? Because if you give them an apartment and you give them a car, then they'll feel like, well, I don't need to work because mom's got me?

• 1:03:06Speaker 01

  No, because it's like, like, alright, for example. I, I, I went to col, I went to college, right? But I had to drop out of college because I had to work to just feed myself. If you got a crib and if you could maneuver to, to college, or you probably want to open up a business or something. If you can maneuver, you don't got to worry about a bill. Then it, it becomes easier for you, but don't get, don't make me give you an apartment or a fucking car and you're just out here not doing shit. I better, every single time I FaceTime you, you better be motherfucking doing something. If you in bed at fucking 12 P M. Yeah. Ain't that car under my name? Oh, it's coming with me.

• 1:03:50Speaker 01

  You need, you need the real world.

• 1:03:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:52Speaker 01

  You need, you, I, I'mma have to, and no go to your daddy. You know, let me go to your fucking daddy.

• 1:04:00Speaker 01

  I would take this shit away. I don't play that. You ain't gonna be nothing.

• 1:04:05Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you're clear about that.

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  You're in with yourself. You got two feet, you got two hands, you got a brain, you better do some shit.

• 1:04:11Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, for sure. I, I, I found like, I started working when I was fourteen. I used to deliver newspapers at the time. And then I started working at a grocery store. I used to work at the back and stack the shelves. Pick up all the pallets, bring all the goods in, work back of house. And then I worked and sold jeans at some jean shop. It's like, I found working since I was fourteen.

• 1:04:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:32Jay Shetty?

  Is what made me realize the value of work. And I've been working hard ever since. And it's, if I didn't start working hard at fourteen, I feel like, my parents didn't have anything to give me either.

• 1:04:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:42Jay Shetty?

  But I feel like that work ethic has to start early.

• 1:04:46Speaker 01

  It do have to start early. And that's why like, it's like, like sometimes when my pa- here comes my parents sometimes. My parents, they be getting my nerves sometime. Like, they be getting my [__] nerves sometimes because like my kids, they have school till three P M, right? And after school, I don't care. And I don't want child at home talking about like I'm a little tough and shit. I don't give a [__]. This is why I work hard for. After school, my kids, four times a week, they have tutoring, reading, math, whatever. They have tutoring mandatory in my house. Then, culture have piano, or she got gym class. Wave, he got sports class, and he still gotta do the tutoring. And I don't, I'm still, I'm sleepy. I don't, I don't wanna hear that shit. I don't wanna hear that shit.

• 1:05:30Speaker 01

  It's discipline. It gotta be in you. And you have to be better than me. I want you to be better than me. There's things that I cannot do that I want my kids to do. I don't know how to swim. I would love to swim. But the one time I went to a pool in High Bridge, there was a crazy fight that broke out. People was getting cut left to right. So I couldn't go swimming because I had no pool. If I have a pool, you gonna learn how to swim. You gonna take your swimming classes. I'm not really good with my feet. So you gonna take dance classes because if you wanna, if you ever wanna be a superstar, that shit gonna be in you that you are dancer. I want you to be smarter than me.

• 1:06:14Speaker 01

  Like, I could read down. But my grammar is not that great. I want you to be not perfect cuz you cannot make your kids perfect and you don't want you to put pressure on your kids perfect, but I want you to be a, a hundred time better version than me. And I'mma install that in you. And you gonna be mad and you gonna be crying, but you gonna appreciate that one day. Cuz I wish, I wish the things that, that I'll put on my kids, that I, that somebody put in me when I was younger. But they couldn't put that in me when I was younger because they couldn't afford it. And they couldn't really have time to be like, buckleys, buckleys, buckleys, Hennessy, Hennessy, Hennessy, because they had to work. I have to work, but I'mma give you classes for it.

• 1:06:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:59Speaker 01

  Grab me something, boy. Grab me something, girl. I'm playing with y'all.

• 1:07:03Jay Shetty?

  I love it, I love it. Success is so much of who you are, it's who you breathe, it's what you do. What makes Cardi B happy?

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  It's like little, little elements, like my kids make me very happy. They're just so fucking cute and funny, like it's just,

• 1:07:22Speaker 01

  and they say stupid stuff, like it's like,

• 1:07:25Jay Shetty?

  What do they say?

• 1:07:26Speaker 01

  Just things that is like, girl, what? It's funny. It's, and it's funny seeing your kids grow and develop a little character and I'm like, when my baby, she be hitting her brother, her sister, it be so funny to me cuz it's like a baby and she's, and they're, and they're just there taking it. So to me, the, little, little things like that is funny and makes me happy.

• 1:07:51Speaker 01

  Romance, you know what I'm saying? When I'm, when I'm in love and when we having a good, you know, we having a good week, when you showing that you care, that makes me happy. You know, actually, when I did saw a piece of an interview with Selena Gomez and you, when she said, I might have a fourteen hour

• 1:08:12Speaker 01

  day and just one phone call and when somebody's there for you, it's a good feeling, that's a good feeling as well. What else is a good feeling for me? When I'm with my cousins, when I'm with my family and we were just cracking jokes and it just feels, it feels like,

• 1:08:32Speaker 01

  It feels like childhood. It makes me happy. Music make me very happy. I love music.

• 1:08:39Speaker 01

  When me and my team, we plan something, we put in so much work and it goes good. That makes me happy. That makes me happy, the team happy, and it motivates me and it motivate my team. And it's just like, we did it. So, stuff like that, stuff like that makes me happy. Seeing all the work that you do and the time that you put, the process, the progress that you put. And it's like, it hits, it's successful. That makes me really happy. Like, it's like, oh, thank God, thank you, Jesus. It makes me wanna keep going. Just like-

• 1:09:14Jay Shetty?

  That's a good list.

• 1:09:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:15Jay Shetty?

  That's a good list. I like it. It's all connection. It's all real. It's human. It's love. It's family. It's friends. It's intimacy. It's, it's, it's all the, it's all, it is all the most beautiful things that we're all looking for. How, how do you see love now? Like, how do you define love?

• 1:09:32Speaker 01

  Effort. It's not gonna always be perfect. Effort is, is like a lot to me. It means a lot to me. Like, calling me, studying me, personality as well. I love me a joke. I love me a hee hee hee. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you, if, if I, if I come to you and I'm in tears, when was the last week? I saw, I saw my little boyfriend, I saw my boyfriend, and I was in tears. I was like, it's so much pressure on me. Like, it's so much pressure on me. And just one little joke, it made, I like, I'm in tears. I, I kinda forgot the joke, but it was so funny.

• 1:10:12Jay Shetty?

  That's good.

• 1:10:13Speaker 01

  And like, snot coming out of my nose and it's like, it made me laugh. It just made me feel good. And it's just like, you know what? Things are gonna be okay.

• 1:10:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Someone you can, someone you can, someone who can make you laugh, cry, and someone who can be there for you when you're crying real hard tears.

• 1:10:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:28Jay Shetty?

  I like that. And I like effort. I like what you said, study you.

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:32Jay Shetty?

  That was really interesting. I've never heard that before, but I like it. The idea that if someone loves you, they study you. What is, what does that mean to you? Tell me about that. I like that one a lot.

• 1:10:40Speaker 01

  Certain things are just the obvious. You know what I'm saying? Like, certain things is like, are you really studying me or is it just the obvious? Like, for example, if you give me a purse, if you give me a, a Birkin or a Kelly, right? It makes me happy, of course, like who who don't who which which woman don't a bag make them happy. But you know that that's what I like. So it's not like you study it. It's like you see it on my page. But like when you do things that you don't normally do, but you're doing it because you heard me talk about this. Like, like when you rent a castle, and I know you don't wanna be in this old ass castle that you literally gotta go up and down the stairs just so you could pee.

• 1:11:23Speaker 01

  And it's hot and there's no air conditioner. When you rent a castle out just so you could just because you you keep saying like, ah, I can't wait. I can't wait to have a day off in Paris. So I could go to Versailles. I'm obsessed with castles. I'm obsessed with kings. I'm obsessed with queens. And it's like you listen to that and you like do your best to make it happen. It's like, it's like little things like that.

• 1:11:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, so you're always leaving clues.

• 1:11:52Speaker 01

  It's not even like leaving clues. It's just like me.

• 1:11:54Jay Shetty?

  This is just you talking.

• 1:11:55Speaker 01

  This is me talking. It's like, it it means stuff to me and stuff like that. When you get to know my personality too and get to study me. It's like, okay. Cause I'm a I'm a I think I'm a hard person to figure out. Some people just see me and think certain thing. Until you really get to figure me out and crack me. Cause I might give you what I wanna give you. You haven't cracked me yet.

• 1:12:26Jay Shetty?

  Will anyone ever crack you? Is it possible?

• 1:12:30Speaker 01

  Yeah. Little by little, I open up. And I show more of myself. My real self.

• 1:12:38Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. It's been, it's been seven years since you released new music. And you've talked to me about releasing it, the hard work that went into it, the journey that got you there, why you waited. What finally made you feel confident that you had the right piece of work? What did you put into it? How did you know that now is the right time and the work was ready?

• 1:13:00Speaker 01

  Because it feels good. It feels good. Like it's like.

• 1:13:06Speaker 01

  This, I feel like people are missing this.

• 1:13:08Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 1:13:09Speaker 01

  It feels good. I feel good. I feel confident about it.

• 1:13:12Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 1:13:13Speaker 01

  I feel very confident about it, to be honest with you. So, that's where, that's why I'm like, it's time.

• 1:13:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Where, where did the name, Am I the Drama? What inspired that? What, what, what's, what's the subtext? What's the hidden meanings behind it?

• 1:13:27Speaker 01

  I don't wanna keep saying when I was a little girl. But it's funny, like, it's like.

• 1:13:32Jay Shetty?

  Say it. I love, I love knowing that you manifested this. It's beautiful.

• 1:13:35Speaker 01

  No, cuz it's like, ever since I was a little girl,

• 1:13:40Speaker 01

  I always get in trouble.

• 1:13:43Speaker 01

  And it don't really be me. Like, it's like, if we having a sleepover, me and my cousins, I will be the one that the aunt is pulling their ears, cuz it's like, yeah, I know this was your idea, but even was, it wasn't even my idea. Sometimes when I used to go to school and I used to fight, my mom used to be like, didn't I tell you to avoid the fight? And it's like, mom, I swear to God, it's not me. It's these girls, they keep trying me. That's why I keep getting into fights.

• 1:14:12Speaker 01

  And, and when I was in school too, like, it's like, when I do get in trouble, just because I'm being mischievous, it's like, like, my friends' moms used to be like, it's cuz of her, it's cuz of, it's cuz of Belkalis. I know it's her. And it's like, it don't really be me. It really don't be me. And that's just how it is with my life. Like, it's like, yo, I'm always in a scandal. I'm always in some bullshit. I'm always in some beef. And it's like, no matter how much I avoid it, it comes to me. Am I the fucking drama? Is it me, Jesus? Is it me?

• 1:14:50Speaker 01

  No matter how much I avoid it, no matter how much I think I'm in a bubble, and it's like, nope, that bubble's always gonna pop. Something's always gonna find you, girl.

• 1:15:01Speaker 01

  But,

• 1:15:03Speaker 01

  that's why I like, am I the drama? Why am I always in some shit? Whether it's good or bad, why am I always in some shit?

• 1:15:11Jay Shetty?

  What's the answer?

• 1:15:13Speaker 01

  Am I?

• 1:15:16Speaker 01

  That's the, that's, the answer is still the question, am I? Am I?

• 1:15:24Speaker 01

  Only one person can answer that. And that's Jesus. Cause God, why the am I always in some shit? When is the boat gonna start smooth sailing? Why are we always in the ocean, in the middle of the ocean? And the roughest, we in the, we in the Pacific Ocean all the time.

• 1:15:45Jay Shetty?

  I love that. It's a great question. It's a great question. It lines up for a great album. It's, it's, it's such a great name. It's such a great, such a great energy, even just hearing you talk about it is such a great vibe. What's the, uh, I mean, how does it feel when that drama gets televised? And then it's all over TikTok? How does that feel?

• 1:16:04Speaker 01

  Nope. Sometimes it's good, sometimes it's bad.

• 1:16:07Jay Shetty?

  You always show up looking fabulous, but I'm like, how, how does that feel when like, you know?

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  Well, I try to come in here having eyes like you, but one of, one of the contacts wasn't cooperating. So I'm like, I'm not taking this other contact off.

• 1:16:22Jay Shetty?

  So that's why we have the, uh,

• 1:16:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's why we got three blue eyes on set.

• 1:16:28Jay Shetty?

  I love it. I love it. I love it.

• 1:16:30Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:16:31Jay Shetty?

  How does it feel when, when your drama is televised? Like when that is televised? How does that feel?

• 1:16:36Speaker 01

  It just feels, sometimes it feels okay, cause there's gonna be people that's gonna cheer for you. And sometimes it's gonna be very overwhelming, like, and very stressful, very annoying. And then it's like,

• 1:16:51Speaker 01

  unlike other celebrities, you know, a lot of people be wanting me to be like certain celebrities and stuff like that.

• 1:16:58Jay Shetty?

  Oh, really? Like who?

• 1:16:59Speaker 01

  Like, they just want me to be like the type of person that just don't respond, that don't tell my feelings.

• 1:17:07Speaker 01

  And they be thinking that some of these celebrities, like, they're perfect. Which, they're are amazing, but don't think they're not going through what I'm going through. Don't think they don't feel like what the pressure they, that I go through. Don't think they're not saying, y'all, I hate you mother, cause what the you think you are to tell me that I'm this, this? Who the you think you this and that? I'm just the person that tells it. So is it a blessing and a curse? Because sometimes I feel like I speak for them. And that's why when a lot of celebrities see me, they be like, yo, you be saying what I wanna say?

• 1:17:50Jay Shetty?

  That's cool.

• 1:17:51Speaker 01

  But then sometimes it's like a curse because sometimes people be like, it's like, oh, you the only one that do that. You the only one that do that. And it's like, well, I'll be the one that do that.

• 1:17:59Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:00Speaker 01

  I can't do it all the time though, cuz then people gonna think I'm just crazy. But I'll be the one that do that. Y'all need to leave fucking people alone. Y'all think because us celebrity, we make a little money and we make a little this. Like, cuz that bitch,

• 1:18:12Speaker 01

  I have feelings too, ho.

• 1:18:15Speaker 01

  I ain't no chopped liver.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  So maybe that's why I'm sometimes like the punching bags. And sometimes people be like, you need to stop doing that. You need to stop being this. You need, you need to be more like them. And it's like, they feel the same way I feel too. They wanna tell these people, fuck you.

• 1:18:33Speaker 01

  You and your mom. And your dad. And your whole bloodline. How the fuck you talking on me? Fuck you. Trust me. They wanna say that. They wanna say that.

• 1:18:45Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I think everyone does, yeah.

• 1:18:47Speaker 01

  But I'll be the one to say it. But that's because sometimes it do feel good to say it.

• 1:18:51Jay Shetty?

  Hmm.

• 1:18:52Speaker 01

  Fuck you.

• 1:18:58Speaker 01

  Bitch, fuck you. I'll be the one.

• 1:19:02Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:02Speaker 01

  Not all the time, but I'll be the one.

• 1:19:03Jay Shetty?

  Yeah. Yeah, I could see that from all the clips that I've seen. Like, you're always yourself. Like, you're never not yourself, wherever you are. The glam, the looks, the fashion, the wigs, the everything that comes out of your mouth. It's like you're never, you're never filtering yourself, no matter the environment you're in.

• 1:19:21Speaker 01

  Oh, trust me, I filter myself a lot.

• 1:19:23Jay Shetty?

  Oh, you do?

• 1:19:24Speaker 01

  I have, I, sometimes I feel like, then who the fuck am I? Who the fuck have I become? Cuz I, I used to have no filter. Now it's just like, I be like, alright. But still fuck you though.

• 1:19:37Jay Shetty?

  Where do you feel to yourself, if you ever do? Where do you feel to yourself?

• 1:19:46Speaker 01

  This mouth, I could be a piranha.

• 1:19:52Jay Shetty?

  What are we today, a shark? No, today's.

• 1:19:56Speaker 01

  No, today I'm a goldfish.

• 1:19:57Jay Shetty?

  Okay, today you're a goldfish.

• 1:19:58Speaker 01

  I said nothing bad today, today I'm a goldfish.

• 1:20:00Jay Shetty?

  No, no, no.

• 1:20:01Speaker 01

  I've been really nice today.

• 1:20:02Jay Shetty?

  You have been wonderful.

• 1:20:03Speaker 01

  But it's like sometimes I be seeing people and I be like, I could get really nasty. This off facts, I could get really nasty.

• 1:20:12Jay Shetty?

  But you hold back.

• 1:20:14Speaker 01

  But I hold back so much. I hold, I hold back so much, so much, so much, so much, so much, so much.

• 1:20:21Speaker 01

  I really, you know what? I really did change a lot. I don't know what changed me. Maybe, maybe the age, maybe the kids, maybe life.

• 1:20:29Jay Shetty?

  You softened up a bit.

• 1:20:32Speaker 01

  I've always been soft, but I could, I could really give it to you. And I won't stop, but I stop just for.

• 1:20:41Jay Shetty?

  Is it the age, is it the kids? Which, which one is it? All of them, all of the above?

• 1:20:45Speaker 01

  It's a combination. Age really wises you. Wises you and make you afraid.

• 1:20:53Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, got more to lose.

• 1:20:57Jay Shetty?

  That, I think that plays a big part. When you're young and you're dreaming and you want all these things, no one ever tells you the cost that it comes at.

• 1:21:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:06Jay Shetty?

  And how much it tests you and brings all sorts of other challenges into your life.

• 1:21:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:14Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, you, you've talked about how money doesn't fix everything and success doesn't solve everything. And, and it almost feels like when you don't have those things, you think it will.

• 1:21:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:25Jay Shetty?

  And then when you get it, you realize, oh wait, there's all this other stuff that we haven't figured out yet.

• 1:21:37Jay Shetty?

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• 1:23:54Jay Shetty?

  What is something that you're still trying to figure out, learn, solve in your own life? What's the part of your life you're like, working on dreaming, envisioning, imagining to be better and different?

• 1:24:07Speaker 01

  I mean, life in general.

• 1:24:09Jay Shetty?

  All of it.

• 1:24:09Speaker 01

  All of it, to be honest with you. Life just doesn't get... I wonder when life is gonna do start getting easier? Because life is just hard. No matter if you have money or not.

• 1:24:22Speaker 01

  You got problems when you're poor, you got problems when you're rich.

• 1:24:27Speaker 01

  You're just always just trying to figure... Every single day, I feel like people is just trying to figure it out, trying to figure themselves out, trying to figure life out. And it just will never stop. It will never stop, I think. What would do is that when you're 60? But even when you're 60, you're gonna start having other problems, like back problems.

• 1:24:47Speaker 01

  And it's like another thing, another problem that you gotta figure out. You know what I'm saying? Like, it's just it would never stop. The older you get, the more people you lose, the more kids you have, the more things you have to worry about. The more money you have, the more you have to learn about managing. You have a partner, or when you don't have a partner, you gotta figure out how you, if you wanna, how you wanna deal with being alone. When you have a partner, it's like how, you gotta figure out how to be their peace and everything.

• 1:25:17Speaker 01

  And I really don't want people thinking either that it's like, just because you have money, like, it's like you live the easy life. Everybody that, that have money, that are successful, that are good, how what they do. If you notice a pattern, they work their asses off. You think that Beyonce got a fucking boat and a mansion and this and that because she's just... Beyonce? No, she work her ass off. She's one of the most hardest people ever. Why people cannot get to her level? Why people cannot this and that? Because they just, she just have an insane work ethic. Insane time.

• 1:25:53Speaker 01

  And my partner, he wakes up every day at five thirty, six A M. And leave work at seven P P M. And then you got people that hate on him and it's like, why, why, why he's so good? Cause he works hard. Why am I here after seven years? Cause I'm every day, every day, working every day. What we doing next? Hello, what y'all doing? Wake up. I got a certain plan. I just, I just thought of something. I just had a dream of something. We gotta make it happen. And working hard, you could say working hard and it sounds like working hard, but it's like it's hours and hours, hours, it's time, it's body, it's brain. I'm exhausted. I'm really exhausted right now. Back hurt, butt hurt.

• 1:26:37Speaker 01

  I'm sleepy as shit. I got a headache on the right side of my head. When I'm working.

• 1:26:42Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:42Speaker 01

  After this. I gotta do a promo shoot and then I'm going to the studio. And then tomorrow I gotta do something else. Every single day, every single day, every single day. If you want it, you gotta do it. No complaining, no crying shit.

• 1:26:55Jay Shetty?

  In this conversation, you've talked about Jesus, you talked about the devil. Do you talk to God a lot? Do you pray?

• 1:27:01Speaker 01

  Every day.

• 1:27:01Jay Shetty?

  Every day?

• 1:27:02Speaker 01

  Mm hmm. I feel like I have a very deep spiritual connection with God.

• 1:27:11Speaker 01

  And it's not even like about praying, it's like talking. Like even when I talk to God, I talk to him just like I'm talking to you. I be cursing.

• 1:27:18Jay Shetty?

  I love that.

• 1:27:19Speaker 01

  Crying. Cause people be like, oh, cursing is bad, but it's like, God, God know, God knows who, God knows who I am. God knows. God knows how I be like, it's like, it's almost like I'm talking to a friend. And I really do believe

• 1:27:33Speaker 01

  in my weird mind, in my weird universe that I made, like I have, I have angels. I really do believe that God gave me angels. And I believe in them. I feel like God is here and I feel like you got your angels here, then you got your other religions here.

• 1:27:51Speaker 01

  I believe in God so much. It's not even funny. And you know, some people might not believe in God, but it's like, don't try, like, it's like, I'm not gonna convince nobody to believe in what I believe in, but if it, how you expect me not to believe on the person that I've been praying to my whole life? And gave me what I wanted?

• 1:28:14Jay Shetty?

  So that little girl was talking to God in that dream?

• 1:28:16Speaker 01

  Always, all the time. It's like the imaginary friend, the voice in your head. That you think is your friend, that you think is your, your, your voice, that's, that's just, that was just you talking to God the whole time. That's just you talking to God the whole time. I love him, I believe in him. I always tell this to somebody, like, it's like the most, the most, the most I could give you, the most powerful thing that I could give you is me praying on you. If I pray on you, for you, it's because I love you. It's the most powerful thing.

• 1:28:50Speaker 01

  And I do feel like when you pray together, miracles happen. I love him. I love you so much. Why do you love me so much? Why do you love me so much? Tell, tell, tell everybody, I'm like one of your favorite kids. Tell them. Jesus, Lord, tell these people, I'm one of your favorites, a lot of them.

• 1:29:13Jay Shetty?

  That's beautiful. Cardi, you've been so, so generous with your time, your energy, your heart. I really felt, you know, this surpassed every one of my expectations that I had of meeting you and getting to interview you.

• 1:29:26Speaker 01

  Hey, yeah, we.

• 1:29:27Jay Shetty?

  I knew there was so much spirit, I knew there was so much soul, I knew there was, there was just this energy inside that, that I'm really grateful you let share today and people get to know you a bit more deeply. Uh, we, we end every episode with a final five. These questions have to be answered in one word to one sentence maximum. So Cardi B, these are your final five.

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  You know I talk a lot.

• 1:29:49Jay Shetty?

  I know, you can, you can.

• 1:29:50Speaker 01

  You think I'll just answer with one word?

• 1:29:53Jay Shetty?

  I'm giving you permission, you can, you can. Alright, so question number one, we ask these to every guest who's been on the show. What is the best advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:30:02Speaker 01

  Well, I'm gonna go with one advice that I heard today. No, I didn't hear it today, I heard it yesterday. Ask the difficult questions.

• 1:30:14Speaker 01

  The difficult questions make the relationship stronger. It could break it, it could make it, but you still have a understanding. If you become that understanding, then you might become stronger.

• 1:30:29Jay Shetty?

  You said it better. You said it better. Whoever said it, you said it better. Uh, question number two, what is the worst advice you've ever heard or received?

• 1:30:40Jay Shetty?

  I think you've heard a lot.

• 1:30:42Speaker 01

  Sometimes when somebody told me to wear a certain outfit or when somebody told me to drop a certain songs, you never know. You could go from here to that.

• 1:30:52Jay Shetty?

  Question number three, finish the sentence, "One thing I'll never apologize for is..."

• 1:30:58Speaker 01

  My mouth. Well, sometimes I apologize for my mouth. Sometimes I might, maybe I'm a little too hard. I don't know. I'll, I'll apologize for my mouth sometimes, but not all the time.

• 1:31:13Jay Shetty?

  Question number four, what's something that you used to value that you don't value anymore?

• 1:31:19Speaker 01

  Uh, I happen to have like the streets.

• 1:31:24Speaker 01

  I value it a lot and I don't. I value it because it made me and it gave me a certain mentality. But I wouldn't want to advise, uh, advise, advise that to people that I love, people that I care, or to young kids, to young boys, to young girls. Because it don't always lead you to where you think it's gonna lead you. It's very grimy. Don't love you back, ever.

• 1:31:51Jay Shetty?

  And fifth and final question, we ask this to every guest who's been on the show. If you could create one law that everyone in the world had to follow, what would it be?

• 1:32:00Speaker 01

  If I was Kim Jong-un.

• 1:32:04Speaker 01

  What law? I'm not sure. I gotta come back to that.

• 1:32:07Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, think about it.

• 1:32:08Speaker 01

  Matter of fact...

• 1:32:11Speaker 01

  If you hurt children, you gotta get... What's that thing when they clip you? Cassius, Cassius eyes? Whatever it's called.

• 1:32:18Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:32:19Speaker 01

  You just gotta be clipped. And if you're a woman, they need to burn it.

• 1:32:22Jay Shetty?

  Oh, wow.

• 1:32:23Speaker 01

  If you hurt kids.

• 1:32:24Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 1:32:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, that should be a mandatory thing all over the world.

• 1:32:28Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 1:32:28Speaker 01

  Because kids are so precious. They're so precious, they so innocent. Well, some of them, some of them are kind of evil. They're one with the devil inside them.

• 1:32:38Speaker 01

  You see documentaries, some of them is like, who's this? You was born to die, you was born to be a devil. Jesus, Jesus upon your chair.

• 1:32:48Jay Shetty?

  Cardi B, everyone. The album is called, "Am I the Drama?" I'm so excited for everyone to hear it. Love your energy, love your spirit. So grateful to have spent this time together.

• 1:32:57Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:32:58Jay Shetty?

  And all the best, God bless. And I hope that you continue to succeed and win at life and keep being the energy and force that you are. So, thank you so much.

• 1:33:07Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 1:33:08Jay Shetty?

  Thank you. If you loved this episode, you'll really enjoy my episode with Selena Gomez on befriending your inner critic and how to speak to yourself with more compassion.

• 1:33:19Speaker 06

  My fears are only going to continue to show me what I'm capable of. The more that I face my fears, the more that I feel I'm gaining strength, I'm gaining wisdom, and I just want to keep doing that.

• 1:33:33Speaker 07

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• 1:34:02Speaker 08

  Mr. President, my company tore me of the explosion on our rig on October 2nd. Causing massive water displacement and triggering a tsunami. They all heap the blame on me. Tom Cruise is.

• 1:34:12Speaker 09

  Digger got us into this mess, and Digger's gonna dig us up. From the director of Birdman and The Revenant.

• 1:34:19Speaker 03

  What would happen if I stopped drilling? You stop, you freeze in there, that's what?

• 1:34:23Speaker 09

  With great power comes great deniability.

• 1:34:26Speaker 03

  I'm not the first daddy.

• 1:34:27Speaker 09

  Digger, see the trailer online. Only appears October 2nd. Rated R, under 17, not a minute without parent.