458 - The Demands Are Incredible

This week, Karen and Georgia cover the Superbike murders.

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:01Speaker 00

  This is exactly right.

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• 1:30Speaker 02

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• 1:32Speaker 03

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• 1:52Speaker 04

  Hello! And welcome!

• 1:55Georgia Hardstark?

  To My Favorite Murder.

• 1:56Speaker 04

  That's Georgia Hardstark.

• 1:58Georgia Hardstark?

  That's Karen Kilgariff.

• 1:59Speaker 04

  And we're here to podcast into your ear hole.

• 2:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Right there. You've been waiting with it open and ready.

• 2:06Speaker 04

  Slut.

• 2:08Speaker 04

  How's your day?

• 2:09Georgia Hardstark?

  I had therapy. I cried.

• 2:12Speaker 04

  What?

• 2:13Georgia Hardstark?

  I think the hormone replacement therapy that I've been on has been helping with the crying.

• 2:17Speaker 04

  How'd it feel?

• 2:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Good, definitely good. I just, I needed, uh, like, you know, eye mask under, afterwards, because we have to be on video for these now.

• 2:26Speaker 04

  The demands are incredible these days.

• 2:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 2:29Speaker 04

  We're like every Kardashian wrapped into one.

• 2:34Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean, meanwhile, my fucking nails are chipping and gross, but god for it, it looks like I cried.

• 2:38Speaker 04

  Yeah, and that we're a human being.

• 2:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 2:41Speaker 04

  I think the podcasting on video is really bringing humanity back to the concept of video. Because most podcasters aren't ready for video.

• 2:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Well, I keep saying, when someone's like, "How's the podcast?", and I'm like, "Oh, you know, we're videoing, which is exactly why I got into podcasting in the first place. Was to fucking be on video."

• 3:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a dream come true.

• 3:02Georgia Hardstark?

  It truly is.

• 3:04Speaker 04

  Look, just break it down. I did a double coat of mascara.

• 3:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Ooh.

• 3:09Speaker 04

  Always a mistake.

• 3:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:12Speaker 04

  You know what I mean?

• 3:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Because when you put it on when it's dry, oh, it's just crunchy.

• 3:15Speaker 04

  It's crunchy and then like, I'm trying to get those lashes like in the corner that...

• 3:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, yeah.

• 3:20Speaker 04

  After a while, they're just like, "Hey, don't come for us anymore. We don't, we're not showing up for you."

• 3:24Georgia Hardstark?

  We're barely even lashes yet.

• 3:26Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 3:26Georgia Hardstark?

  We're basically like embryos with lashes. Stop fucking covering us.

• 3:29Speaker 04

  Just don't, yeah, you know? We can't help you, ma'am.

• 3:33Georgia Hardstark?

  This isn't what's gonna make the fucking difference on the video.

• 3:38Speaker 04

  Well, then maybe it's winged eyeliner.

• 3:39Georgia Hardstark?

  Could it be? The ones that go into the creases of my eyes? Because I don't have, you know? It's really, it really has, and that's the thing I talked about to my therapist today, dinged my, like, self-esteem a little bit being on video.

• 3:50Speaker 04

  I mean, there's always some real humility work taking place in showbiz, whatever kind.

• 3:57Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 3:57Speaker 04

  You can't hide.

• 3:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 3:59Speaker 04

  They'll come for you.

• 4:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 4:01Speaker 04

  They'll hold up that mirror, and however warped it is.

• 4:04Georgia Hardstark?

  So warped.

• 4:05Speaker 04

  You gotta look.

• 4:06Georgia Hardstark?

  So fucking warped.

• 4:07Speaker 04

  Let me distract you with something fun.

• 4:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Please do.

• 4:10Speaker 04

  I put this over here the other day. This was a gift that I got from Lily Ludwig, who works in our development department. It's a candle that smells like Tom Hardy.

• 4:20Georgia Hardstark?

  It says on the candle, "Smells like Tom Hardy."

• 4:23Speaker 04

  Smells like Tom Hardy.

• 4:24Georgia Hardstark?

  "Made with love." Okay, it smells a little like air freshener.

• 4:28Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 4:28Georgia Hardstark?

  But who gives a shit?

• 4:29Speaker 04

  That's Tom, baby.

• 4:30Georgia Hardstark?

  It's not for lighting.

• 4:31Speaker 04

  You know, it's for thinking about Tom Hardy.

• 4:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Smells like Tom Hardy.

• 4:35Speaker 04

  "Made with love," looks like the brand, right?

• 4:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, yeah, I think you're right. That's an excellent gift.

• 4:40Speaker 04

  Isn't it?

• 4:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 4:41Speaker 04

  You know what it is? What I think they were imagining is like, if Tom Hardy asked you on a date, and then showed up at your front door with like, all washed and cleaned and maybe with some...

• 4:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Fabrezed a little?

• 4:54Speaker 04

  He's fabrezed his t-shirt. It smells like half an effort.

• 5:01Georgia Hardstark?

  It's like, oh my god, he showered for me, and that's where my self-esteem is right now, and that's all I can like, hope for.

• 5:06Speaker 04

  It's all that matters, our co-star, Tom Hardy.

• 5:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Tom Hardy, I love it.

• 5:10Speaker 04

  That's what we call him.

• 5:11Georgia Hardstark?

  How are you? How's your day?

• 5:13Speaker 04

  It was good. It was kind of long. I mean, this is the Friday before our Christmas vacation starts.

• 5:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 5:20Speaker 04

  So it has felt a lot like crawling through the desert.

• 5:23Georgia Hardstark?

  It has. I can't believe it's over. I just want to go and say, and I shouldn't be saying this, but if I die in a car accident on the way home, I'm gonna be so angry. That's where my brain goes, like, yay, it's vacation!

• 5:33Speaker 04

  Oh, yeah.

• 5:33Georgia Hardstark?

  Then I'm gonna die.

• 5:34Speaker 04

  Yes, of course.

• 5:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Knock on wood. I shouldn't have said that.

• 5:39Speaker 04

  Well, you're not going to.

• 5:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay. All weekend, I'm just gonna fucking sit at home now and be like, why did you say that?

• 5:45Speaker 04

  So, are you trying to say that you think saying it is somehow gonna call it out?

• 5:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 5:50Speaker 04

  As someone who was just in a car accident, let me tell you, you'll be fine.

• 5:54Georgia Hardstark?

  You were just in a car accident?

• 5:55Speaker 04

  Yeah, I was in a car accident like a month ago.

• 5:57Georgia Hardstark?

  How did I not know that?

• 5:59Speaker 04

  You know, I like to keep stuff like that to myself.

• 6:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Why was it, were you at fault?

• 6:04Speaker 04

  No, I was not.

• 6:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Really?

• 6:05Speaker 04

  I was practically celebrating. I was so not at fault. Unlike our big epic car accident so many years ago.

• 6:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 6:13Speaker 04

  Anyway, it was fine, and it was one of those kinds of things where I actually do the same thing. I always am kind of like, what could happen, and prepare and scan and whatever. And then it happened, and it was kind of shocking, and like, I was, you know, shaken or whatever. And I was just like, you can't prepare.

• 6:29Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 6:30Speaker 04

  And you shouldn't waste your time trying to because when it happens, then you're just gonna have that bad feeling anyway.

• 6:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 6:36Speaker 04

  So don't like.

• 6:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Right. Don't borrow it from the future.

• 6:38Speaker 04

  Yes. Did your therapist say that?

• 6:41Georgia Hardstark?

  My therapist said, don't borrow anxiety from the future.

• 6:43Speaker 04

  Smart.

• 6:44Georgia Hardstark?

  You know what she calls that? When you're constantly worried and thinking the bad things could happen and what's gonna happen here and let me plan for this? She calls that turning the good milk into bad milk. So this being our last thing before we go on vacation is the good milk that I should be celebrating.

• 6:59Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 6:59Georgia Hardstark?

  But I am so afraid of like happiness and excitement and good things that I am only able to swallow the good milk by putting the bad milk of a car accident on top of it. Only then can I allow myself to enjoy the vacation. And it sounds disgusting and I hate the term. I told her that. But when you think about it.

• 7:18Speaker 04

  You're actually, you're trying to swallow the good milk of her good advice with the bad milk of, hey, shut the fuck up.

• 7:25Georgia Hardstark?

  That sounds gross.

• 7:26Speaker 04

  Your metaphor is disgusting me.

• 7:30Georgia Hardstark?

  But I, but I get it.

• 7:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 7:32Georgia Hardstark?

  So let's not, let's take the good milk.

• 7:34Speaker 04

  Let's drink as much milk as we can on this vacation.

• 7:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Ew.

• 7:37Speaker 04

  Let's try every type of milk except raw milk.

• 7:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Right, no raw milk.

• 7:40Speaker 04

  It's too dangerous. Let's talk about a positive that cropped up kind of unexpectedly. We thought we'd have some fun here at Exactly Right and do a little commercial for our merch. And that commercial featuring Nicole from our merch department is like the new Avengers movie. It's, it's just a hit. It's a hit stem to stem.

• 8:01Georgia Hardstark?

  It's a hit with the fans. It's a hit with the critics. It's a hit with, you know, the influencers.

• 8:08Speaker 04

  I mean.

• 8:09Georgia Hardstark?

  She's an influencer now.

• 8:10Speaker 04

  She is. Nicole is going to be a monster. You can tell. She's going to go full diva.

• 8:18Georgia Hardstark?

  She's a merch influencer.

• 8:19Speaker 04

  She is. Should we read some of these responses?

• 8:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 8:23Speaker 04

  People's.

• 8:23Georgia Hardstark?

  So if you haven't seen it yet, it's up on our Instagram and up on our TikTok, the video that Nicole made for our hot dog merch. She made a commercial, it's incredible. And so here are some comments you guys made about it.

• 8:36Speaker 04

  The first one is from Jacqueline Moody and it says, all this time I thought it was a Karen, turns out I'm a Nicole. Genius.

• 8:43Georgia Hardstark?

  I love it.

• 8:43Speaker 04

  Jacqueline.

• 8:44Georgia Hardstark?

  The skulls and stars on Instagram said, Nicole, you are the star we didn't know we needed. You are fantastic. Keep up the good work. I know many of us were trying to figure out what to get that rando. We just met online and now we have the answer.

• 8:59Speaker 04

  This is Stacy B dot art and it says, we need more ads from Nicole. It's giving local TV commercial and I am here for it.

• 9:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 9:07Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 9:07Georgia Hardstark?

  We'll do that.

• 9:08Speaker 04

  That was the idea.

• 9:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Definitely.

• 9:10Speaker 04

  In fact, we're gonna do it right now.

• 9:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Did you guys make another one?

• 9:13Speaker 04

  Are you ready?

• 9:13Georgia Hardstark?

  These are, I love, okay, wait, I'm not ready, I'm not ready. Okay, go.

• 9:16Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 9:17Speaker 06

  Hi, it's Nicole from the merch department and I'd like to ask you a question. Where are you spending your holidays?

• 9:27Speaker 06

  Because it could be inside this sweatshirt. That's right, it's my favorite murders, favorite murder of holiday crows. These birds love the holidays and now you will too. So flock, don't walk, to the website. Oh, sorry, our website is ExactlyRightStore.com and order your holiday crow sweatshirt today. Order soon because once these puppies are gone, they'll be back never more.

• 9:59Speaker 04

  It's like a real commercial at the end.

• 10:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Flock, don't walk.

• 10:02Speaker 04

  Flock, don't walk.

• 10:03Georgia Hardstark?

  That's my favorite.

• 10:04Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 10:06Georgia Hardstark?

  That was excellent.

• 10:07Speaker 04

  We're having some real fun making stuff in that video studio that we have.

• 10:11Georgia Hardstark?

  I'm impressed by all of it. I love it. They're just a surprise to me. I don't have to even think about it.

• 10:15Speaker 04

  Surprise video, right?

• 10:17Georgia Hardstark?

  So good.

• 10:18Speaker 04

  Yeah, just so you know, and I think Nicole may have just said that in her ad.

• 10:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 10:21Speaker 04

  But December 12th, which is today for you guys, if you're listening on the day it comes out, this is the last day to order anything from the ERM store to get it in time for Christmas in a way that we can guarantee it. So go to ExactlyRightStore.com. You can go see that sweatshirt, hot dog sweatshirt, all kinds. There's a Mothman sweatshirt. People like.

• 10:43Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, have you done your Christmas shopping yet? No, then today is the day.

• 10:46Speaker 04

  Get over there, place those orders so you can make sure you have little gifties under the tree.

• 10:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Sure.

• 10:51Speaker 04

  Or just buy them for your.

• 10:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Yourself too.

• 10:53Speaker 04

  Absolutely.

• 10:54Georgia Hardstark?

  Hey you guys, we have a podcast network. It's called Exactly Right Media. Here are some highlights.

• 10:59Speaker 04

  We have exciting news to celebrate the release of our latest Rewind episode, which is episode 23. We're gonna relaunch the very first day out of the forest design by the amazing artist and our friend Kat Solin. They're limited edition. Don't wait. Go over to myfavoritemurder.com and get yours before they're gone.

• 11:21Georgia Hardstark?

  And while you're there, you can check out all of the promo codes from our advertisers. So whenever we do those ads, you guys, and we have the discount codes, you can find them all at myfavoritemurder.com/promos. You'll get the discounts and it kind of hooks us up a little bit too in that the advertisers know that it's working. Keep advertising with us.

• 11:39Speaker 04

  It's the old tell them we sent you.

• 11:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Tell them we sent you.

• 11:42Speaker 04

  That's how you tell them we sent you.

• 11:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Right, and you get a discount.

• 11:46Speaker 04

  Also, remember as always that when you rate and review and follow all of our podcasts, it makes a huge difference in the business, but also in our hearts.

• 11:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, yeah, totally.

• 11:58Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 11:58Georgia Hardstark?

  This season, something, something?

• 12:00Speaker 04

  Yeah, this season, this holiday season.

• 12:03Georgia Hardstark?

  And then, this is really exciting. It's silly and fun. So, our ninth anniversary of this fucking podcast is coming up in January.

• 12:11Speaker 04

  That's right. It's January 13th. So, when it's someone's first anniversary, you give them paper. When it's their 20th, you give them china. Well, we looked it up, and we're all just working toward the 60th where you get diamonds. But, we looked it up, and your ninth anniversary, you get pottery, ceramics.

• 12:31Georgia Hardstark?

  Ceramics.

• 12:32Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 12:33Georgia Hardstark?

  So, we're not telling you guys what to get us, but, you know, because it is a traditional gift, if you are so inclined and you're a pottery ceramic murderino, you know.

• 12:43Speaker 04

  A ceramorino.

• 12:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Ceramorino, MFM maker, then, you know, we want that. We want to see your art.

• 12:49Speaker 04

  Yes. You can take a picture of it and post it, or you can actually mail it to us snail mail style. Send them to myfavoritemurderinc@pobox3951.

• 13:02Speaker 04

  585-LACA90039.

• 13:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Boom. Make sure you hashtag it. #MFM9th.

• 13:10Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 13:11Georgia Hardstark?

  So that we know. And we're gonna like repost them. We're gonna make, maybe make some fun videos. Show them off. So like, get creative, which you already are.

• 13:19Speaker 04

  And don't be afraid if you're the kind of pottery ceramicist that just rolls out a snake and coils it into an ashtray. That's great.

• 13:27Georgia Hardstark?

  We love it. It doesn't have to be like our fucking logo.

• 13:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Good or logo. It's your interpretation of what the ninth anniversary of My Favorite Murder would mean to you.

• 13:38Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 13:38Georgia Hardstark?

  If you were to make art about it.

• 13:41Speaker 04

  Also, you know what they could do?

• 13:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 13:42Speaker 04

  Is if they have a piece of ceramic or ceramics or pottery that they like, they could just be like, "Here's some ceramics and send a picture."

• 13:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. I mean, just hashtag your art, #MFM9th.

• 13:55Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 13:55Georgia Hardstark?

  And like.

• 13:56Speaker 04

  And help us celebrate. We're just kinda trying to like, it feels weird when we sit here and we have to be like, "It's our ninth anniversary."

• 14:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 14:02Speaker 04

  But where it's just the two of us staring at each other like we have for nine years. So it helps when we can get you guys to party with us.

• 14:09Georgia Hardstark?

  Exactly. And it like brings us joy and like excitement. Just like the other day, we discovered this trophy that someone sent us. This trophy is by Jenny Earl, or Early, J-E-N-N-I-E-A-R-L-E, sent us these trophies. Like, there's a girl doing cheerleading and it says, "This is terrible. Keep going."

• 14:27Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 14:28Georgia Hardstark?

  And all these other trophies when we just found them. And we got so excited when we saw them. So, thank you, Jenny.

• 14:34Speaker 04

  So, also, if you're not a maker and you are not creative in any way, and none of that idea resonates with you.

• 14:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Get a tattoo.

• 14:41Speaker 04

  We would love to hear about, I don't know, how your life has changed in the almost decade since we started the show. Or if you have a specific story, anything really from the last nine years. Write in and tell us and we'll be reading people's emails.

• 14:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Did you get a new suspicious mole that you're, you know?

• 14:59Speaker 04

  Right.

• 14:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Or did you go to graduate school?

• 15:02Speaker 04

  Could be like, I met Rachel last night outside of Don Cucco's. It was her birthday. And she told me that she, since listening, left an abusive marriage, became a lawyer, and it was her birthday. And so she's like, I can't believe I'm seeing you. Can I get a hug? And I was like, yes, you can. And congratulations.

• 15:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 15:23Speaker 04

  On your new life. That's so cool.

• 15:24Georgia Hardstark?

  That's incredible.

• 15:25Speaker 04

  And that's like, that's nine years.

• 15:27Georgia Hardstark?

  Nine years. It's, yeah, it goes by.

• 15:30Speaker 04

  People have really, there's some good story arcs out there.

• 15:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, you could do a lot with nine years.

• 15:34Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:34Georgia Hardstark?

  Or you can do nothing.

• 15:35Speaker 04

  We'd love to hear if you've done nothing.

• 15:37Georgia Hardstark?

  You've done nothing. Only got that suspicious mole looked at. We're proud of you. That's a big step.

• 15:44Speaker 04

  Did you get a real good indentation going on one couch cushion? We'd like to see it.

• 15:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, hashtag MFM9. Um, okay. Let's see, is that it?

• 15:54Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 15:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 15:56Speaker 04

  That's that.

• 15:57Georgia Hardstark?

  And so.

• 15:57Speaker 04

  Piece of news. And one last thing. It is week two of this December holiday tradition that we still have not named, where we make donations to incredible charities to help those in need.

• 16:09Georgia Hardstark?

  So today, we're donating $10,000 to the Center for Reproductive Rights. You know them, you love them, they're so fucking necessary.

• 16:15Speaker 04

  We need them, we don't really have them. Many of you won't be having them.

• 16:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Yep, they come, they go, what the fuck?

• 16:21Speaker 04

  We gotta fight, fight, fight.

• 16:22Georgia Hardstark?

  And so the Center for Reproductive Rights is a global organization working to ensure that reproductive rights are protected. Imagine that.

• 16:28Speaker 04

  They've worked across five continents to secure access to legal and safe abortion, contraception, and more. And they're reshaping how courts and governments safeguard these essential freedoms.

• 16:39Georgia Hardstark?

  So at a time like this, they're obviously a very incredibly important organization. So if you'd like to join us in giving, go to their website, reproductiverights.org.

• 16:48Speaker 04

  And let's keep fighting for fairness and human dignity as we step into this new year.

• 16:52Georgia Hardstark?

  Amen.

• 16:52Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 16:54Georgia Hardstark?

  The holidays are coming, which means we'll all be spending more time away from home.

• 16:58Speaker 04

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• 17:04Georgia Hardstark?

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• 17:07Speaker 04

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• 17:33Georgia Hardstark?

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• 17:50Speaker 04

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• 17:58Georgia Hardstark?

  SimpliSafe, ahead of crime in real time. Goodbye.

• 18:02Speaker 04

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• 18:07Georgia Hardstark?

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• 18:10Speaker 04

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• 18:14Georgia Hardstark?

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• 18:24Speaker 04

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• 18:32Georgia Hardstark?

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• 20:17Speaker 04

  Goodbye.

• 20:20Georgia Hardstark?

  You guys know how we do it on our vacation. We just have pre-recorded a bunch of episodes where only one of us does a story. It just kind of helps us not go fucking crazy. So this week is Karen's story. Yes, I go by myself.

• 20:33Speaker 04

  Are you ready to hear a story?

• 20:34Georgia Hardstark?

  I cannot tell you how ready I am to sit back and do how great it's been today and not have to be like, multiple times today, I was like, fuck my story. Fuck my story.

• 20:44Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 20:44Georgia Hardstark?

  And my story must suck because I don't know what it is, you know, and then I remember.

• 20:47Speaker 04

  And then you're like, I remembered that I can forget that today is my day.

• 20:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Always forget.

• 20:52Speaker 04

  You're kind of technically already on vacation and I resent you for that.

• 20:56Georgia Hardstark?

  I had to put makeup on. That's a whole fucking, that's not vacay.

• 20:59Speaker 04

  I cherish you.

• 20:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you.

• 21:01Speaker 04

  Okay. This is a story we have talked about conversationally at the beginning of, it was episode 42, actually, late 2016. Wow. The first of the nine years we're gonna be celebrating next year. Recently, and this is the beginning of every sentence I seem to say these days, I saw this TikTok where, the TikTok was the account @IReddit, and they're talking about this case, but it was a repost from a Reddit user named Jenny010137. And so, thank you for those guys making that good true crime content on TikTok.

• 21:42Speaker 04

  And I didn't know these things, I didn't know about this, and it's one of those, like, how did I not know? Yes. We say it all the time, but in a big way, that I'm afraid to give something away, so I'll just read. So, we begin on November 6, 2003, in the small town of Chesney, South Carolina, where there's a popular local business called Superbike Motorsports. Oh. So, Superbike sells things like motorcycles, ATVs, dirt bikes, and it has a warm, familiar, family-oriented atmosphere. And that's because 30-year-old Scott Ponder, who's the owner, has built this business to be a space where friends and family and customers all kind of mix together and feel like the same thing. Oh, God.

• 22:27Speaker 04

  Scott's adoring mother, 52-year-old Beverly Guy, works alongside him as the office manager, and Beverly's husband, Terry, Scott's stepfather, will later tell reporters about how Beverly had once worked three jobs so that she could buy Scott the bike that he wanted as a kid. I mean, what's more like foundational than a bike you get as a kid? Totally. Yeah. So, she was the kind of mom who gave everything to help her son achieve his dreams. Terry says, quote, "Scott was her whole life." So, now Scott and his wife Melissa are celebrating because they just announced that Melissa's pregnant. The couple heard their baby's heartbeat for the first time just two days before.

• 23:12Speaker 04

  In the store today at Superbike, the joy is palpable among the very tight-knit crew that works there. Twenty-nine-year-old service manager Brian Lucas is a devoted family man himself, and his passion for motorcycles comes second only to his love for his sons. His wife, Robin, will later say, quote, "Brian loved his kids. They were first and foremost in his life." And then in the back of the shop is Superbike's in-house mechanic, twenty-six-year-old Chris Schubert. His nickname is Schubie. He lives and breathes motorcycles. His brother, Joel, will later say, quote, "Chris was doing what he loved and what he was best at." So around 3:00 PM, a man named Noah Lee pulls into the parking lot, and he is here

• 23:57Speaker 04

  to pick up tickets for a motocross race that's in town that night. He's good friends with Scott and Brian. They're all going to this race together. And he'll later say, quote, "They're definitely my closest friends. I leave there some days and say, 'Love you guys.'"

• 24:12Georgia Hardstark?

  I just hate this because sometimes you tell these stories and you're like, "Oh, are they going to be the good guy or the bad guy? I don't know, but I fucking know."

• 24:18Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 24:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 24:20Speaker 04

  Yep. So Noel calls thirty minutes earlier to tell Scott and Brian he's going to stop by to pick up those tickets. But now, as he steps out of his car, he realizes that something is horribly wrong. He sees Brian sprawled at the entrance and Scott lying on the sidewalk, and they're both in pools of blood. At first, Noel doesn't understand what's going on, as you would not. He's shocked. Then, when he kind of realizes, he rushes inside to call 911 on the store's landline. When he does that, he then sees Beverly on the floor near the bathroom. Noel dials 911. He makes a very frantic three-minute call in which he tells the dispatcher, quote, "I thought they were playing a prank on me,

• 25:04Speaker 04

  but everyone's laying down in a pool of blood. I don't see anybody breathing. I thought they were playing a joke because they're real prone to doing that to me, but I don't see anybody breathing."

• 25:15Speaker 04

  So painful.

• 25:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 25:16Speaker 04

  He's like having this realization as he's trying to talk to this dispatcher.

• 25:20Georgia Hardstark?

  I can't imagine. I bet that listening to that is probably horrific.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  Horrific. So it's only when the police arrive minutes later that they find Chris Schubert in the back of the shop, lying near the black Suzuki bike that he's been working on. Every employee who was at Superbike Motorsports that day, Scott, Brian, Beverly, and Chris, they've all been shot to death. These are the first moments in what would become known as the Superbike Murders, one of the most confounding cold cases ever to take place in South Carolina. So the main sources used in today's research are various articles from the Greenville newspaper, reporting by WSPA 7 News, and the Investigation Discovery mini-series Serial Killer Devil Unchained.

• 26:04Georgia Hardstark?

  Is this like a hometown that we had? Because I know we've talked about it.

• 26:08Speaker 04

  Well, it came out in the news.

• 26:10Georgia Hardstark?

  While we were recording?

• 26:11Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 26:11Georgia Hardstark?

  Yes.

• 26:12Speaker 04

  And so we've definitely talked about it. And

• 26:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Okay.

• 26:16Speaker 04

  I, actually, when we first started talking about it, I was like, I think, I think we've done it.

• 26:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 26:22Speaker 04

  Because it feels familiar.

• 26:23Georgia Hardstark?

  But the rest of it, we haven't covered, for sure.

• 26:26Speaker 04

  Right. Right. And the rest of those sources are in our show notes. So we're back to the Superbike shop. The crime scene is confusing. Nothing, no bikes, no parts, no money from the large amount of cash on site is missing. So investigators believe robbery is not the motive in this quadruple homicide. They have no idea what the motive could be. There just isn't much evidence to work with. Investigators can't pull any useful DNA or fingerprints from the scene. What they do have are 18 shell casings scattered around the shop, all fired from a handgun. And there's a partially filled out bill of sale for a black Suzuki motorcycle on the counter. They note that Chris Schubert's body was found

• 27:10Speaker 04

  near a black Suzuki bike at the back of the building, suggesting a customer had picked out this bike and was in the process of buying it. And Chris was presumably getting the motorcycle prepped to leave the showroom. Unfortunately, that customer ...name is not listed on the form. So, local police, they've never seen a crime like this before. Officer Steve Cooper with the Spartansburg County Sheriff's Department later says, quote, "Was one of the victims the actual target and the other people, were they just casualties? Was the business the actual target? It really tore our resources in many different directions." Then investigators do get a lead, and it's a witness named Kelly Sisk who comes forward.

• 27:53Speaker 04

  And he tells investigators that he was in the shop around 2 o'clock. He stopped by with his four-year-old son to make a payment on a go-kart. The two ended up spending about a half an hour in the store, just looking at all the bikes and checking everything out. And Kelly and his son left Superbike seemingly just minutes before these murders took place.

• 28:15Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank God.

• 28:16Speaker 04

  Which is, God. So Kelly tells investigators that there was one other customer in the store while he and his son were there. He was a white man, around six feet tall, around 175 to 200 pounds, with dark brown feathered hair, thin lips, and small eyes. And Kelly says this man was checking out a black Suzuki motorcycle.

• 28:36Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, shit.

• 28:37Speaker 04

  But he seemed a bit out of his element, like he didn't really know bikes that well. And Scott, Superbike's owner, was chatting with this man. And Kelly says, quote, "I overheard Scott say, 'Oh, this is a good beginner's bike.'" And I was thinking, "Who, that's a pretty big bike for a beginner." But Scott knows his bikes, end quote. So, to investigators, this mystery man seems like the linchpin of maybe solving this case. If he isn't the gunman himself, then he could be the last customer who was in Superbike before the killings took place.

• 29:10Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 29:11Speaker 04

  Essentially, just the police need to find him.

• 29:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Person of interest.

• 29:14Speaker 04

  Yeah. So, a sketch is drawn, and it's circulated based on Kelly Sisk's description. But when Kelly sees it, he doesn't think the sketch looks like the guy that was there that afternoon. Somehow, though, nothing is done to improve the image and match Kelly's memory more closely. The public interest around this case is, of course, intense. Before long, investigators are in over their heads. They have very little evidence to go on, but there's enormous publicity. So then they're immediately swamped with tips. They go chase those tips down, and most of them turn out to be dead ends. And so, of course, precious time and manpower is wasted.

• 29:58Speaker 04

  But they also make some pretty bad errors in judgment. For example, Scott's wife Melissa gives birth to a baby boy she names Scotty. A year after the murders, police get a tip claiming that Scott was actually sterile, and Scotty is not his child. The police get their hands on, so basically, they go and they, like, take a used diaper.

• 30:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Ah, for the widow.

• 30:26Speaker 04

  From, yes, from the widow, from the now-six-month-old baby, and they run a DNA test. And the results show that Brian Lucas, Scott's coworker and close friend, is the father of Melissa's baby. So when investigators question Melissa about this, she's enraged. She is, she's just like, "You are out of your minds." She later says, quote, "I became irate, and I said, 'I'm going to bring Scotty back, and we're going to swab his mouth in front of me, and I'm going to watch you put it in that envelope, and I'm going to watch you seal it, and I'm going to watch you mail it.'" And that's exactly what we did.

• 31:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Whoa.

• 31:03Speaker 04

  But when that second DNA test comes back, the results are the same.

• 31:07Georgia Hardstark?

  What?

• 31:08Speaker 04

  It says Brian is the baby's father. An officer suggests that Melissa, who is still grieving her husband's death, was having an affair that somehow played a part in these murders. She will later say, quote, "Their focus was so intent on me." But she knows it isn't true. Anyone who knows her knows Scott knows it isn't true. She demands the investigators recheck their tests. And then when they do, they realize somehow Scott and Brian's blood samples were mislabeled.

• 31:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Holy fucking shit. What a disgusting fucking nightmare. Like, I'm horrified for her.

• 31:52Speaker 04

  Horrifying.

• 31:53Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean, and the time she had to spend with them thinking that and her knowing, I never, you know?

• 31:59Speaker 04

  And it's not a big town, so it's not just her, it's not just the cops, it gets around.

• 32:04Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean, no one would have believed her if they hadn't then checked it again.

• 32:08Speaker 04

  And if she hadn't faced up and just been like, no, I will fight you on this.

• 32:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Oh, my God, that makes me sick.

• 32:16Speaker 04

  It's really a horrible mistake. When they retest, it's confirmed, of course, Scott is Scotty's father. So that affair theory falls apart, but even more valuable time has now been wasted. And worse, Melissa, the now single mother and grieving widow, is subjected to small-town gossip and worse. She says, quote, "The rumors ran rampant. I cannot tell you the things that have been said about me. I know that Scott's grandmother, who I thought I was close to, died believing that Scotty was not her own grandson."

• 32:48Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, shit.

• 32:50Speaker 04

  Just tragedy upon tragedy, horrible. So Melissa decides to leave South Carolina for Phoenix, Arizona. Scott's stepfather, Terry, who lost his wife Beverly in these murders, says, quote, "I only get to see my grandson once a year rather than weekly. The police robbed me of a better relationship with him. They tormented Melissa and accused her of all this. They didn't even have the guts to apologize for what they put her through."

• 33:17Georgia Hardstark?

  What? And I mean, any faith that these investigators are going to solve this when they can't even get the victim's DNA straight, it's just like out the window.

• 33:28Speaker 04

  They didn't apologize for that mistake. How do you do that?

• 33:34Speaker 04

  Unthinkable. So, obviously, the case goes cold. So then, three years after the murders, 2006, Brian Lucas's parents, Lorraine and Tom, ask their friend, who's a private investigator, to review this case. So that friend puts together a long list of superbike customers from the past year, and then goes through and highlights the ones with criminal records. The detectives on the case had only focused on customers from the past 90 days from the murder.

• 34:04Georgia Hardstark?

  That's it. They're like, "Let's just do 90."

• 34:06Speaker 04

  We'll do 90.

• 34:07Georgia Hardstark?

  It's too hard to do more than that.

• 34:08Speaker 04

  Or just like, "This is what we thought of first, so this is what we're gonna do, no matter the non-recents from that plan."

• 34:16Georgia Hardstark?

  Exactly. When you don't find them in the 90 days, then you go back further. That's what investigation is.

• 34:22Speaker 04

  You would think. Well, it would just continue.

• 34:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 34:25Speaker 04

  When the Lucases hand that list over to the police, nothing comes of it. And Lorraine later says, quote, "I feel like they had taken this list and plunked it into the trash." So from here, an entire decade passes.

• 34:37Georgia Hardstark?

  What?

• 34:38Speaker 04

  And then investigators release a new sketch of that mystery superbike customer that Kelly Sisk finally approves of, but there are no new leads. The quadruple murder cold case becomes even colder. Then, 13 years after the murders, on Labor Day weekend 2016, about 70 miles from where Superbike Motorsports is located, a couple living in Anderson, South Carolina, go missing. They're 30-year-old Kayla Brown and 32-year-old Charlie Carver. Investigators get a search warrant for Kayla's Facebook account, and when they scan through her messages, they find that she'd been in touch with a local realtor. This man had offered Kayla cleaning work at his various listings, as well as at a

• 35:23Speaker 04

  property that he owns in nearby Woodruff, South Carolina. So Kayla agrees. Charlie plans to join her, and they go out to this property.

• 35:35Speaker 04

  And then no one hears from them and they go missing. So, once the police are involved, Kayla's phone is pinged and it's near that same property. So, they made it there. But for some reason, it takes two months from when the couple are first reported missing, that the investigators finally secure a search warrant for this property.

• 35:56Georgia Hardstark?

  Why?

• 35:57Speaker 04

  So, the property has a house and then there's like almost 100 acres of mostly woods. The realtor is not on site at the time. He's at his main residence in another part of town. So, investigators arrive at this secluded home in the woods and they find a creepy scene. There are guns stashed just about everywhere, between pantry shelving, above doorways, in the bathrooms.

• 36:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Jesus.

• 36:22Speaker 04

  Everywhere. And it gets creepier. They go outside and start to walk this property and that's when they hear a woman screaming for help. Her voice is coming from inside a huge shipping container sitting in a field. And when officers break it open, they find that the screaming woman is Kayla Brown chained to a corner of the container in a makeshift prison cell.

• 36:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my God.

• 36:46Speaker 04

  Police immediately arrest the real estate agent who owns that property, who hired Kayla, a man named Todd Colup. At the same time, Kayla is basically tended to, you know, freed, obviously, put into an ambulance, is being looked after, and detectives start asking her questions. And they get her story, basically. So, she tells them, "Two months ago, she and Charlie showed up to this property to do landscaping work. But shortly after they arrived, with no provocation and completely out of the blue, Todd Colup pulled a gun out on them and shoots Charlie to death."

• 37:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Jesus Christ. I've always just, I've always imagined, like, what, at that, what do you, I'd lose my mind at that moment.

• 37:31Speaker 04

  Right, because you're out in the middle of nowhere. Like, you're already on a remote property anyway. You're witnessing the murder of the person you love the most in the world.

• 37:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 37:39Speaker 04

  And who is this person?

• 37:40Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 37:41Speaker 04

  You're, you couldn't be in more danger.

• 37:42Georgia Hardstark?

  No.

• 37:43Speaker 04

  Kayla will later say, quote, "I was in shock. He pulled me to go and told me to go with him or I could join Charlie. I was numb. I couldn't think. I still hadn't comprehended what had happened." So Todd buries Charlie's body somewhere on the property. And then for the next two months, he holds Kayla captive in a shipping container where he sexually assaults her regularly. Kayla knows that if she doesn't cooperate with him in every way, she'll be killed.

• 38:11Georgia Hardstark?

  She's fucking seen it.

• 38:12Speaker 04

  She's seen it.

• 38:14Georgia Hardstark?

  It's, I mean.

• 38:15Speaker 04

  But Kayla Brown is a fighter. Much later, when asked what she'd like to say to Todd's face, she says, quote, "I would just tell him that no matter what he did to me, he did not break me. He cannot destroy who I am, and I won."

• 38:28Georgia Hardstark?

  Fuck yeah.

• 38:29Speaker 04

  Fuck yeah. And this is how she wins. She realizes when she's being held there and she has to deal with this lunatic man, that he's infatuated with her. So in a very courageous and like kind of unfathomable move, she manipulates him into believing that she cares for him too.

• 38:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 38:50Speaker 04

  And it saves her life. So her survival is crucial, obviously not just for her and the people that care about her, but in a shocking twist, for decades-long cold murder cases. As Kayla is being taken to safety, a detective in the ambulance asks her if Todd Collop ever talked about killing any other people. And Kayla says, quote, "He told me that a few years back, he walked into a bike shop and shot four people and left, and that they never found out who did it."

• 39:20Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh my God, chills.

• 39:22Speaker 04

  And just like that, the Superbike cold case is back open.

• 39:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 39:27Speaker 04

  I didn't know these two things were connected.

• 39:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Like nowadays?

• 39:32Speaker 04

  I didn't, when I saw that TikTok.

• 39:35Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 39:36Speaker 04

  And I was like, I remember talking about her, and I remember the Superbike cold case.

• 39:42Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 39:43Speaker 04

  I didn't know this is where they came together.

• 39:44Georgia Hardstark?

  They must not have come together yet when we were talking about it, because I definitely knew that.

• 39:48Speaker 04

  You remember that?

• 39:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. Like, that's one that I've late-night, deep-dive read, like obsessively.

• 39:53Speaker 04

  Maybe I did too, and I'm...

• 39:55Georgia Hardstark?

  I mean, we've only done nine years of this, so if you can't remember every single fucking case that we've done or not, covered or not, then I don't know what to tell you.

• 40:03Speaker 04

  Then you might need to try a little bit harder.

• 40:05Georgia Hardstark?

  So some ginkgo biloba would be fucking great.

• 40:08Speaker 04

  I just remember watching that TikTok and being like, wait, what?

• 40:12Georgia Hardstark?

  I know.

• 40:13Speaker 04

  Okay.

• 40:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Unbelievable. Okay.

• 40:14Speaker 04

  Because I remember when we talked about Caleb being found and how creepy that was. It was that whole thing of, and this actually turned out to not be true, that he was doing

• 40:24Georgia Hardstark?

  Amazon reviews.

• 40:26Speaker 04

  Is that true? It's not true. That once they investigated it further.

• 40:30Georgia Hardstark?

  I could have sworn I read some, though.

• 40:32Speaker 04

  On the internet, where everything's true? So, once in custody, Kolup confesses to everything and then some. But first, he tries to claim that Charlie Carver attacked him, so the shooting was in self-defense. Not only does that completely contradict with Kayla's firsthand account, but it's entirely out of line with who Charlie is. Charlie's dad Chuck says, quote, "He never hurt anybody. He would give you the shirt off his back or the last $2 in his pocket. That was just the guy he was," end quote. And his mom, Joanne, adds, quote, "He could bring a smile to the saddest person. He loved to laugh."

• 41:10Georgia Hardstark?

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• 41:20Georgia Hardstark?

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• 41:49Georgia Hardstark?

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• 44:44Georgia Hardstark?

  Goodbye.

• 44:47Speaker 04

  So Todd then admits to murdering two more people and burying them on his property a year before he killed Charlie and imprisoned Kayla.

• 44:54Georgia Hardstark?

  I don't remember this.

• 44:55Speaker 04

  These victims were 25-year-old Megan Coxey and her 29-year-old husband Johnny. They had recently welcomed a new baby.

• 45:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Aye.

• 45:05Speaker 04

  They had been going through hard times, but their loved ones described them as "creative, fun-loving people who were very much in love and very loved by their friends and family." And just like Kayla and Charlie, Todd lured Megan and Johnny to his property under the guise of offering cleaning work. In another similarity, Todd shot Johnny and then kept Megan imprisoned in that same storage container that Kayla was in.

• 45:30Georgia Hardstark?

  It's so insidious to invite a couple over to work because as a woman, I'm going there with my partner, I feel safe.

• 45:39Speaker 04

  Yep.

• 45:40Georgia Hardstark?

  It's diabolical.

• 45:41Speaker 04

  Yes, it is. Yeah. So the difference of those two stories is that a few days into her kidnapping, Megan stands up to Todd and he murders her.

• 45:51Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, my god.

• 45:53Speaker 04

  So then Todd confesses to the superbike murders. Basically, he's starting to go and he's getting it all out.

• 45:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah. These guys want credit for it. They know they're caught and they're like, "Let me explain everything because I feel like a fucking smart person and I want you to know about it."

• 46:07Speaker 04

  Maren left me a note on the top of the research and she was like, "I really am trying to not mention his name as much as possible because he's absolutely one of those people that wants to be talked about."

• 46:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 46:18Speaker 04

  And wants to talk in the press.

• 46:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 46:22Speaker 04

  Wants that attention.

• 46:23Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 46:24Speaker 04

  Something to keep in mind. So basically, once he starts talking, he says the reason that he committed the superbike murders is because he bought a bike from that shop and it wound up getting stolen and he seemed to think that the superbike employees had something to do with it. Completely made up.

• 46:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 46:42Speaker 04

  Obviously not.

• 46:43Georgia Hardstark?

  To kill four people over a hunch. I mean...

• 46:47Speaker 04

  Well, but then Todd claims the superbike employees humiliated him while he was in the shop for being a novice bike rider. He says, quote, "They laughed at me."

• 46:58Georgia Hardstark?

  Oh, you fragile little bitch.

• 47:00Speaker 04

  The worst thing you can do.

• 47:01Georgia Hardstark?

  God forbid.

• 47:03Speaker 04

  So this is something Scott's widow, Melissa, does not believe.

• 47:07Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 47:07Speaker 04

  She says, quote, "I can see Scott and Brian laughing and joking, but not one time could I ever picture them belittling someone or making them feel less than they were. That right there tells me that he couldn't have been in his right mind."

• 47:21Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 47:22Speaker 04

  So when the police review this case, they find that Todd's name was on the list of customers that the Lucas's private investigator friend sent to the police.

• 47:32Georgia Hardstark?

  Shut the fuck up like, like seven or eight years earlier.

• 47:35Speaker 04

  Right. At that point, yeah.

• 47:38Georgia Hardstark?

  Two thousand and three, yeah.

• 47:39Speaker 04

  He'd never been looked at or questioned during the investigation because he was outside of the three-month window.

• 47:47Georgia Hardstark?

  You know, when you just stop wanting to kill someone after three months.

• 47:50Speaker 04

  It's just, it's difficult to make mistakes in this life. It's difficult to be wrong. It's difficult to fuck up. All those things, everybody, every human being feels the same way when they're those, that person.

• 48:03Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 48:03Speaker 04

  You don't want it, you reject it, you get away from it. But I would just think, like, investigators, that has to be something you can't, you can't be fragile about. You have to be able to go, "That didn't work, we're doing it this way." Adjust, adjust, adjust, until you get results.

• 48:18Georgia Hardstark?

  Because it's about people's lives.

• 48:20Speaker 04

  Yes.

• 48:21Georgia Hardstark?

  You can't just fucking be flippant about it. It's not fucking charts and graphs and shit.

• 48:26Speaker 04

  Well, it also is just, it's people's lives. Your ego isn't more important than that.

• 48:30Georgia Hardstark?

  Right, that's fine if you're an accountant, but not if you're a fucking investigator.

• 48:34Speaker 04

  Well, and it turns out, these heinous acts fit into a lifelong pattern of violence that goes all the way back to Todd Kohlhepp's childhood. When he was 15 years old, he kidnapped and raped a 14-year-old girl in Arizona. He was sentenced to 15 years in prison, and he was released in 2001. He relocated to South Carolina, and only two years later, he murdered the four people at the superbike.

• 48:59Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow.

• 48:59Speaker 04

  Yeah. So after his arrest, he brags about having many more victims. No one knows if anything he says is true, or if he's just desperate for notoriety, but this pathetic atti- Attention-seeking behavior has even made some people wonder if he's lying about being involved in the superbike murders at all. Really? Or if he's just trying to get clout. But most of the people that are attached to the case, the investigators and the victim's loved ones. Yeah. They don't doubt it was him. No. In fact, Kelly Sisk, the man who had seen the mystery customer the first time, is eventually shown a picture of Todd and he says, quote, "I know it's been 13 years

• 49:40Speaker 04

  and I can't be 100% anymore, but I'm good 90% plus. God, it looks like the guy that was in there." Yeah, it all lines up. Right. And also, the bragging, it's like, you're a person who shot a person cold, like, in front of another person. Yeah. It's not like the kind of people that brag who would never do it. Right. And they're just trying to get, like, police attention and all that. No. He's a murderer. It fits. Yeah. It fits too well to not be true. Yeah. Todd is ultimately convicted of seven counts of murder, two counts of kidnapping, and one count of sexual assault. He is now serving seven consecutive life sentences plus 60 years without the possibility of parole.

• 50:21Speaker 04

  After learning about his sentencing, Scott's son Scotty, who was 15 years old at the time, says, quote, "I never did want him to get the death penalty. There was already so much death in this situation that I didn't want to see more of it." Aye. A remarkable amount of grace. Yeah. For a boy who has, before he was even born, gone through so much loss. Yeah. So, obviously, there's so much trauma and/or around the victim's friends and family members for all of these cases that lead back to this one evil real estate agent. Yeah. And they've had to go through a lot, especially Noel Lee, the close friend who

• 51:05Speaker 04

  discovered the victims at Superbike Motorsports that day. Oh, God, I bet. More than a decade later, he tells Investigation Discovery that, quote, "I dream about it all the time. It's just as plain a day as it was in 2003. It took about a year and a half to where I could get a full night's sleep." Oh, my God. "They would show up in my dreams and I would be like, what happened?" Yeah. "And right before they'd tell me, they would just fade away." Oh, wow.

• 51:33Speaker 04

  And that is the story of the quadruple homicide at Superbike Motorsports in South Carolina. A cold case that was finally solved after 13 long years of waiting. And the survival of Kayla Brown, who made it all possible.

• 51:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Wow. Fuck, I have like chills.

• 51:54Georgia Hardstark?

  How do you feel?

• 51:55Speaker 04

  Well, first of all, there's a bike shop in Petaluma that is when I was reading all this.

• 52:00Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 52:00Speaker 04

  It's just what I kept picturing.

• 52:01Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 52:02Speaker 04

  And it's, yeah, it's just that kind of like, you know, guys who like motorcycles all getting together and standing around in the shop and whatever, that kind of community.

• 52:13Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah, and the mom who supports it so much and the partners who are all in it. Like, it's just, these, one of these stories where you just remember how awful and senseless and...

• 52:25Speaker 04

  It's devastating.

• 52:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Devastating, and there's these, just these people who commit such horrendous accidents. And I think that's why we have this podcast, is we're so confounded by it that we need to talk it out.

• 52:36Speaker 04

  Yeah, and we need to make sure that people like Kayla Brown aren't just like this blip in the news.

• 52:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 52:41Speaker 04

  But it's like, that's a woman that survived two months of torture.

• 52:45Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 52:45Speaker 04

  And fought her way out and basically was like, Anna, I have some information for you.

• 52:50Georgia Hardstark?

  Totally.

• 52:50Speaker 04

  That's incredible.

• 52:51Georgia Hardstark?

  So incredible.

• 52:52Speaker 04

  That piece is, there's all that tragedy, but then there really is that other side that I think, it's the kind of thing that I think for a long time, true crime media didn't focus on enough.

• 53:05Georgia Hardstark?

  Of course.

• 53:05Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 53:06Georgia Hardstark?

  Shit, well, great job.

• 53:07Speaker 04

  Thank you.

• 53:07Georgia Hardstark?

  That was an incredible one that we definitely needed.

• 53:10Speaker 04

  I'm going on vacation. When we come back, we'll have our ninth anniversary and then we'll discuss what we're going to do from there.

• 53:15Georgia Hardstark?

  That's right.

• 53:16Speaker 04

  Is that a good plan?

• 53:18Georgia Hardstark?

  And then we'll move forward from there.

• 53:20Speaker 04

  And we'll just go, we'll do it one step at a time.

• 53:22Georgia Hardstark?

  Their heads clear.

• 53:23Speaker 04

  We'll have, we'll go on vacation, we'll focus on ceramics.

• 53:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Can we please, for once, focus on ceramics?

• 53:29Speaker 04

  Focus on ceramics. So guys, we're talking about vacation, you will have more episodes of this show coming up.

• 53:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Right.

• 53:37Speaker 04

  Don't worry.

• 53:38Georgia Hardstark?

  It's why we need vacations so bad, is because we pre-recorded so much, so you wouldn't go without.

• 53:44Speaker 04

  Yeah, because we want to be up in your noggin's when Santa arrives.

• 53:49Georgia Hardstark?

  Mm-hmm. No repeats here, just rewind.

• 53:52Speaker 04

  Just those rewinds. Nice plug, drop a plug.

• 53:55Georgia Hardstark?

  Thank you.

• 53:56Speaker 04

  Also, don't forget Nicole's trying to sell her sweatshirts. Go over there and see what she's up to.

• 54:02Georgia Hardstark?

  Thanks for listening and for being with us. We appreciate you nine years, you guys. It's fucking wild.

• 54:08Speaker 04

  It's truly wild. You're gonna love the pottery that I make for you.

• 54:12Georgia Hardstark?

  Are we making each other a pottery?

• 54:14Speaker 04

  Can you imagine?

• 54:15Georgia Hardstark?

  I'll do it.

• 54:15Speaker 04

  Like Ghost?

• 54:17Georgia Hardstark?

  Yeah.

• 54:17Speaker 04

  Do you make it at the same time, like Ghost?

• 54:19Georgia Hardstark?

  Definitely.

• 54:20Speaker 04

  Yeah. All right. Stay sexy.

• 54:22Georgia Hardstark?

  And don't get murdered.

• 54:24Speaker 04

  Goodbye.

• 54:26Georgia Hardstark?

  Elvis, do you want a cookie?

• 54:35Speaker 04

  This has been an Exactly Right Production.

• 54:37Georgia Hardstark?

  Our senior producer is Alejandra Keck.

• 54:39Speaker 04

  Our managing producer is Hannah Kyle Creighton.

• 54:41Georgia Hardstark?

  Our editor is Aristotle Acevedo.

• 54:44Speaker 04

  This episode was mixed by Liana Scolacci.

• 54:47Georgia Hardstark?

  Our researchers are Maren McClashern and Ally Elkin.

• 54:50Speaker 04

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• 54:52Georgia Hardstark?

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• 54:56Speaker 04

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