Deepak Chopra: ON How To Be More Present & Not Be Overwhelmed With Life

On this episode of On Purpose, I sat down with Deepak Chopra. Deepak is the founder of the Chopra Foundation, and a world-renowned pioneer in integrative medicine and personal transformation. Deepak shares that we must let love creep in and allow it to become the healer and motivation for everything we do. He urges us to remember we are not our experiences or external results and reminds us to get into the habit of realigning daily & witnessing our mental space .” See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 3:09Deepak Chopra?

  You can change the activity of your microbial genes just by changing your diet. So if you go, not even vegan, but if you go maximum diversity on plant-based foods, foods that are not contaminated with antibiotics, or hormones, or insecticides, you can change your genetic activity and the population of your genes in less than six weeks. And which means then you're reinventing your body because your body is spelt out by your genes.

• 3:40Jay Shetty?

  Hello, everyone. Welcome back to On Purpose. Thank you so much for making this commitment to learning and listening about work, life, and love. And today's episode is going to be a real treat for each and every single one of us. Our guest today needs no introduction. He's an incredible thinker in this space. He has been inspiring us for decades. And he's the co-founder of the Chopra Center for Wellbeing and the Chopra Foundation, and has written over 86 books on health, wellness, medicine, and several of them are New York Times bestsellers. Today's guest is none other than Deepak Chopra. I know so many of you are so excited for this episode.

• 4:24Jay Shetty?

  I know so many of you have been looking forward to us sitting down together again. Deepak, thank you so much for being here.

• 4:29Deepak Chopra?

  Thank you.

• 4:30Jay Shetty?

  I'm so grateful for this opportunity. I was just sharing with you earlier, I had the opportunity and the fortune to meet you three years ago in New York. And I was interviewing you for two of your books at the time, Radical Beauty and You Are The Universe. And when I met Deepak, I want everyone who's watching and listening to know this. I'd heard so much about him. I'd read his books because my father used to read his books. They'd be in my house since I was a young, young boy. And when I met him, the most fulfilling feeling I got to experience was that he wanted me to succeed. And he wanted me to succeed because I was trying to help others. And he was so encouraging and so supportive that I felt that genuine energy of love and encouragement and empowerment from him. So your blessings have been very important in my life, Deepak.

• 5:16Deepak Chopra?

  Your success is very important for everyone.

• 5:19Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, well, thank you.

• 5:20Deepak Chopra?

  It's not just about you.

• 5:21Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely, 100%. For me, it's not at all. And so we're very grateful to have you today.

• 5:25Deepak Chopra?

  Thank you.

• 5:26Jay Shetty?

  And today, I'm very excited because you interviewed me two days ago. And you were sharing that you can't wait to talk about your past and your journey, which I think will be really illuminating for my audience. And let's go all the way back. New Delhi, I believe, is where it all began.

• 5:43Deepak Chopra?

  I was born immediately before India's independence from British colonialism. So I'm frequently referred to as one of Midnight's Children. You'd know that phrase coined by Salman Rushdie. So it refers to all of us who were kind of at the cusp of the old era of colonialism and independent India. And my father was an army doctor. He was actually in the war when I was born. So he wasn't in New Delhi.

• 6:19Deepak Chopra?

  He was a prisoner in Imphal, which is now in what we call, used to call Burma, Myanmar.

• 6:32Deepak Chopra?

  Under siege by the Japanese. So he saw me months after I was born.

• 6:38Jay Shetty?

  Wow. And what was that experience of growing up at that time and on that cusp like? Like, take us back to what that experience was like and...

• 6:47Deepak Chopra?

  Well, you grow up and awareness comes very gradually. So my first memory, actually, very significant memory, is when I was six years of age. My father was, at that time, in England, training to be a medical doctor and then a cardiologist. And I was living with my grandparents, as was my younger brother, who later became the dean of medical education at Harvard Medical School. So we're all a family of doctors.

• 7:27Deepak Chopra?

  And I remember, at the age of six years, getting a telegram from England. In those days, the postman used to knock at the door. It took actually forty-eight hours to get a telegram from England, two weeks to go by ship or boat, and two days by airplane, Dakota planes. Anyway, the telegram was that my father had passed all his exams. He was a member of the Royal College of Physicians. My grandfather used to be an old army sergeant in the British Army. So he had a gun. He went to the ceiling of the apartment building, shot a few rounds into the air to celebrate,

• 8:13Deepak Chopra?

  took us to the movies. I still remember the movie, Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves. And then he took us to a carnival, and then in the middle of the night, he died. So I remember waking up to the wailing of women. He was taken for cremation, and the next day, he was brought back in a little bottle of ashes. And one of my uncles said, "What is life?" Here he was, yesterday, celebrating with the kids, and now he's a bunch of ashes in the... That bottle. And I remember not only being scared, but also even at the age of six years,

• 8:55Deepak Chopra?

  having my first existential crisis, what's going on? Where is he now? So, you know, and that continued throughout my childhood and into medical school and essentially shaped my life.

• 9:12Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 9:13Deepak Chopra?

  That one episode.

• 9:14Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, what an unbelievable experience to experience so young.

• 9:18Deepak Chopra?

  Yes.

• 9:18Jay Shetty?

  And thank you for sharing that. And I really feel that how, when were the moments where you started finding those answers to that existential questioning? Like, when did you start becoming more awakened to the answers that you now share with the world?

• 9:35Deepak Chopra?

  Not till a long time after that, you know, when I was in high school, all I wanted to do was be a to be a writer. My secret wish always was to write. And my secret wish always was to write fiction more than anything else. Now, I have written a lot of fiction too, but mostly historical fiction. And I, at the age of fourteen, was reading a book called Lost Horizon. And it was about this mythical place called Shangri-La, where people don't age and where they don't die.

• 10:16Deepak Chopra?

  And it was a very interesting book, and I was inspired to write fiction on my own. But my father, as you know, Indian fathers, they want their kids to either go to medical school or engineering school. He wanted me to follow in his footsteps. And so he knew that was not my interest. And when I was about fifteen, he gave me some books. Somerset Maugham, who was a physician writer. So these are amazing books of human bondage. The Razor's Edge, which talks about existential issues. And so I was so inspired by these books that I

• 10:58Deepak Chopra?

  I told my dad, I wanna be a doctor and then, you know, I had to do biology all over again to enter medical school. And the thing is that, you know, when you go to medical school, you're supposed to understand health, well being and all of that. But day one of medical school is anatomy, which means you're introduced to a corpse. So you're supposed to understand life by looking at a dead body. That's the model. It's been the model ever since Michelangelo's times and still is. And so that kind of model stuck in my mind. The body is a physical machine.

• 11:39Deepak Chopra?

  And consciousness is a byproduct that, you know, we are molecules that manufacture thoughts. And I lived with that model throughout my medical school years. I told you yesterday at that time. Because we were introduced to the dissection table. And, you know, there's a certain smell that comes from a corpse. And especially if it's been preserved with formalin. So I couldn't get the smell out of my hands, you know, dissection. So I started smoking cigarettes to get rid of the smell. And I was experimenting with all kinds of things then. We had some students who had come from Harvard.

• 12:22Deepak Chopra?

  Our medical school was founded by, amongst other foundations, the Rockefeller Foundation. So we had lots of visiting professors. And sometimes visiting students and these students from Harvard Medical School introduced me to LSD first time. This is before even the Beatles got involved. And so I had some interesting experiences during my medical school years with smoking, alcohol, LSD. Scotch, the whole works. And it didn't stop till much later after I actually came to the United States.

• 13:02Jay Shetty?

  Well, so we've had, this is so interesting because I was sharing the other day, my experimental phase.

• 13:07Deepak Chopra?

  Yes.

• 13:08Jay Shetty?

  And what were you experimenting with? Was it just because it was new at that time? Was it because you felt a certain feeling? Like where was that experimentation in your mind and life coming from?

• 13:19Deepak Chopra?

  So we're talking about the mid sixties. A lot was going on. The Vietnam War was coming to an end. There was a lot of protest against the Vietnam War.

• 13:33Deepak Chopra?

  You won't even know this, but there was riots in America against the Vietnam War. Of course. There was a shooting at Kent State University. And there was huge global uprising for peace. The feminist movement was just starting. Gloria Steinem was burning her bra in Cambridge, Massachusetts. Greenpeace was coming. As young, late teenagers and people who were just embarking on our life journey, we were very idealistic. We thought the world was going to change. The best hit on Broadway was Oh, Calcutta and Hair.

• 14:19Deepak Chopra?

  And LSD, rock and roll, music were in the air. The Beatles had just published their album Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds. So, yeah, it was a time of idealism, but also a time of experimentation. And also the feeling that the world was changing. But it didn't. We actually regressed.

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• 16:59Jay Shetty?

  Shop Whole Foods Market in-store or online. Yeah, how have you felt about that? Because it's interesting that everyone who's listening and watching right now, the audience that's listening now, may feel that we're kind of going through that period again in the world, where there's an uprising of conversations around, obviously, the gender pay gap, women's rights. We have more of a conversation right now about equality and unity. We have, again, the conversation around the planet and the environment. It's almost like those same themes in our generation are coming to the top. Do you think, you just said there that we've regressed? You don't think that...

• 17:35Deepak Chopra?

  I thought we were going to see a world transformation. We were seeing social justice, economic justice, conflict resolution, perhaps the absence of war, a sustainable environment, and a critical mass of consciousness that was moving in the direction of a more peaceful, just, sustainable, healthier, and joyful world. But it did not happen. Twenty years later, in the eighties, you had these, my own counterparts on Wall Street and all these corrupt scandals on Wall Street. And the idealism was totally shattered.

• 18:17Deepak Chopra?

  And then we started to regress until, as you said, recently now, the conversation is picking up. But it's not enough to pick up this conversation. You know, we have to actually see why we failed in the past. And that is because idealism without action is useless. You know, they say that love without action is irrelevant and action without love is meaningless. But when you have love in action and love for the greater good, then things can happen. And I'm hoping they'll happen now or we'll wait another thirty years long after I'm gone. And we might not even survive with climate change and all that's happening right now.

• 18:59Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, wow. So you really think, and I'm just digressing from your journey. I want to go back to it, but I think this is such a fascinating point that you've raised, that actually the real missing link is acting on our idealistic views and getting involved.

• 19:12Deepak Chopra?

  And without being a angry social activist, without being an angry peace activist, that's a contradiction in itself.

• 19:20Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 19:20Deepak Chopra?

  You can't be an angry peace activist. You have to be a peaceful being in order to create peace. You have to have experienced love in order to create love. And then you bring into action. It starts with empathy, which is feeling what others are feeling. Compassion, which is the desire to alleviate suffering. And if you have that, then that is the basis of all love. But then love has to move into action as well.

• 19:46Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, absolutely. What a beautiful answer. And I really hope everyone who's listening and watching right now, if there's any cause that you feel empathy towards, if there's ever a moment in your life you feel compassionate. Start thinking about how you can experience that and then act with it. That's what we need.

• 20:03Deepak Chopra?

  Let love lead.

• 20:05Jay Shetty?

  Creep in. Yes.

• 20:06Deepak Chopra?

  And let it become the healer and motivation for everything you do.

• 20:09Jay Shetty?

  Yes, absolutely, absolutely. We need more of that. I couldn't agree more. I really feel that way that we live in a world today also when something's happening, we're very good at changing our social media picture.

• 20:19Deepak Chopra?

  Correct.

• 20:19Jay Shetty?

  We're very good at changing the color of our profile. And that's good because we're standing up for something, but to really change something is going to require activation.

• 20:28Deepak Chopra?

  We're polishing our selfies instead of getting in touch with ourself.

• 20:32Jay Shetty?

  Yes, yeah, exactly. And it's just such a simple option to take that versus to do more. So no, I love that. Let's go back to your story because I really want to get there. So when was it now that you're experimenting with LSD? You're smoking cigarettes, you're drinking Scotch, you're having all of these experiences while being a medical student? When is the point that you come to a spiritual awakening?

• 20:53Deepak Chopra?

  So the year 1970, I get a letter from a foundation in the United States that if I passed certain exams that were then given by the American Medical Association and another agency called the Foreign Something Executive Council for Foreign Medical Graduates, that I could get a scholarship. Now, I had not even applied or thought for a scholarship, but I did the exams and I passed. And I showed up in New Jersey at a little hospital in Plainfield, New Jersey, a community hospital.

• 21:34Deepak Chopra?

  I realized when I was here that actually this whole scholarship thing was an excuse to bring foreign doctors into the United States because all the American doctors were in Vietnam.

• 21:47Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 21:48Deepak Chopra?

  And there was a big shortage of physicians. The prestigious posts went to university hospitals for American graduates. And the foreign graduates were then relegated to community hospitals, which offered no education but lots of work. So I ended up being in this small hospital in New Jersey. And all my colleagues were also foreign doctors. They were from Egypt, from Korea, from.

• 22:19Deepak Chopra?

  Italy from the islands and so on. And basically, we were cheap labor, four, five dollars an hour. But I got to actually experience what it was to be in a very traumatic environment. So we had gunshot wounds. The hospital had a reputation for being connected, quote unquote, to the mafia and all of that. So I worked hard that one year. And then I got a position in an academic institution, Boston, associated with Harvard Medical School.

• 23:03Deepak Chopra?

  And what happened there was I first did my internal medicine, still smoking and drinking and partying as an intern and resident. And then, as I was finishing my internship and residency, I became a quote unquote internist. I then took a specialty training in endocrinology, which is the study of hormones. And then in neuroendocrinology, which is looking at brain chemistry. And I had some very interesting colleagues, but also my mentor at that time was a person called Seymour Reichlin. He was world famous. He's now ninety-four. And he's still, if he finds a snake in his garden,

• 23:48Deepak Chopra?

  he'll dissect the brain of the snake looking for neurochemicals. But at that time, now we're well into the mid seventies, we were discovering in the brain these chemicals that now everybody knows about. They're called neuropeptides. So neuro because they're in the brain, peptides because they're protein-like molecules. And one of my colleagues at that time, Candace Burt, she was later the chief of brain chemistry at the NIH. She used the phrase molecules of emotion. And I'd never heard that word. And now everybody knows things like serotonin, dopamine, oxytocin.

• 24:29Deepak Chopra?

  And opiates, but that was, we were just discovering. Molecules of emotion. Molecules of emotion. And so that got me hooked to the so-called mind-body connection. And at the same time, I was, besides the research, I was also seeing patients. And I was very perplexed as to why two patients who had the same illness could see the same doctor, get the same treatment and have completely different outcomes. One could die, the other one could recover. So I started writing down the stories of my patients just to see if I could learn something from them. And I then started submitting these to medical journals, but nobody would accept them.

• 25:14Deepak Chopra?

  So then what happened is. And they wouldn't expect them because? Because they're too anecdotal, there's not enough research. So then I thought, maybe I'll publish them for the general public and the publishers wouldn't accept that either. It was too new age. So one day I saw an ad in the New York Times about this big. It said, if you want to get your book published, we can do it for $5,000. It was a vanity press. And so I didn't know what that was about. I paid 5,000, which is a lot of money for me. We used to get $202 salary a month. So I borrowed the money.

• 25:58Deepak Chopra?

  I got a hundred books, very shabbily produced. I didn't know what to do with them, but now at this time, because of all my, you know, what I was learning, I'd given up alcohol and I'd given up every experiment. I was meditating. And one day I was giving a lecture to the students at Harvard Divinity School in Cambridge. And there was a young woman, a student there in Divinity School. She said, can you give me a bunch of those books that you're talking about? I had a hundred. And she took 12 and she put them in the window of the Harvard coop, which is now Barnes and Noble in Cambridge.

• 26:38Deepak Chopra?

  And the book was picked up by some kid who gave it to his mother on Mother's Day. She happened to be a literary agent. She called me and she said. Why do you not have a regular publisher? I said, I tried. And she said, how much did you pay for this? I said, five thousand. She said, I'll get you five thousand in advance. Next thing I know, the book is a national bestseller. I'm getting calls from Jackie Onassis and from major publishers all over the country. And I didn't know, my life transformed. So then I actually got in very deeply involved in mind-body medicine. I knew that my colleagues in Boston were a little embarrassed about me

• 27:23Deepak Chopra?

  because they didn't believe what I was doing. I went to California to give grand rounds at a hospital and somebody convinced me to come to California and they'd open a center for me. So that's when I went to California. In the meanwhile, I had also met Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. And, you know, he was as popularly known those days as the guru of the Beatles and actually misunderstood by the world because he was so popular. It happens when you get popular. But he was a very profound being. And he asked me to study or get involved with first Ayurveda and then Vedanta and consciousness.

• 28:08Deepak Chopra?

  So that was how it happened. I told him about the molecules of emotion and he said, they're not real. So that's when I really understood that mind-body medicine was a good start for integrative health and wellbeing, but it wasn't what these great luminaries were talking about, that as we said, you're not your body, you're not the mind, you're not even in this world and somehow you're creating the experience of the body, the mind, and the world. So that happened almost, I was, I would say, thirty-six when I started to shift into the world of consciousness

• 28:51Deepak Chopra?

  and trying to figure out ultimate reality. Before that, I was a mind-body integrative doctor and I still am. I keep my license in California and Massachusetts. We have a medical practice, but my interest right now is unveiling fundamental reality.

• 29:11Jay Shetty?

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• 31:20Jay Shetty?

  What gave you that inclination at that time? Because it was so early on in all of these themes, beliefs, philosophies, kind of coming to the West with Maharishi, Mahayoshi, etc. It was such an early time for... Terms like consciousness and reality and illusion like those weren't themes that were spoken about in such a broad way as they are now. What gave you the conviction at that time that that's the direction you wanted to go in? And that there was some reality there as opposed to everything you'd studied?

• 31:53Deepak Chopra?

  I I spent a lot of time with people that Maharishi introduced me to. There were seers, there were Ayurvedic healers, there were philosophers. There were other adepts in the realm of Kashmir Shaivism, Vedanta and the perennial wisdom traditions. So I immersed myself into that environment. I also got very familiar with the terminology, you know, that they were using. And it made intellectual sense, but still didn't make experiential sense. So that's when I really got deeply involved in not only mantra meditation,

• 32:38Deepak Chopra?

  but in the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, especially the chapter on the Siddhis. And then I also got involved in various other disciplines. Tantra, Kashmir Shaivism, self-inquiry, self, self-reflection, transcendence, but also got into the habit of being a witness of my mental space, my body, what's happening inside my body and also perceptual experience. And you know, once you get so deeply experientially involved, there's no going back.

• 33:22Deepak Chopra?

  It's like a new child who's been born, can't return to the womb anymore.

• 33:26Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely, absolutely.

• 33:27Deepak Chopra?

  So but it was a period, it was 10, 15 years of that.

• 33:31Jay Shetty?

  That's incredible. I love this, by the way. This is amazing. For anyone who's listening or watching right now, who hasn't heard Deepak's full story before from him, this is, this is amazing. And you also, we were talking about this the other day, you also end up spending some time as a monk too.

• 33:44Deepak Chopra?

  Yeah, that was actually recently.

• 33:46Jay Shetty?

  Oh, wow. Oh, okay. Oh, I thought it was, okay.

• 33:49Deepak Chopra?

  No, I mean, being with Marishi was like being in a monk environment.

• 33:54Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 33:55Deepak Chopra?

  But then, a few years ago, I thought to myself, I needed a break from, break from being so much in the public eye. I wanted to experience anonymity. So actually, I, instead of going to an ashram in India, I went to the north of the forest in Korea, in South Korea, at the border of North and South Korea. And I went into a Buddhist monastery and spent some time as a monk.

• 34:35Deepak Chopra?

  We shaved our head, shaved our eyebrows, put on robes, went with a begging bowl every morning through the streets, or the streets of the village nearby the monastery.

• 34:50Deepak Chopra?

  I had a couple of apprentice monks with me. There was, of course, the senior monk at the monastery. And we kept silence throughout the day. But then, and we had one meal, and you know, in these Buddhist countries, there's a tradition that if a monk goes by the street, you offer food, it's considered a beneficent.

• 35:15Jay Shetty?

  Yes, yeah, auspicious.

• 35:17Deepak Chopra?

  Auspicious, and you get rewards, karmic rewards, for feeding the monks.

• 35:21Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 35:22Deepak Chopra?

  So we used to end up returning to the monastery with so much food, you'd think we'd gone to Whole Foods or something. And the monks would keep filling it up, and there was one meal. And then, and the night, they would chant all night. And we would listen. So it was a good experience, anonymity, and also the freedom that comes from not being beholden to the world, in a sense.

• 35:50Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 35:51Deepak Chopra?

  And it was a good experience.

• 35:52Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, why was anonymity so, why do you think anonymity is so? Important for all of us in our life to experience. Why is it such a fascinating experience?

• 36:01Deepak Chopra?

  Because when you go past your ego identity, there's a bigger identity that is so huge, it's incomprehensible, it can't even be described. And there's a freedom and a joy that comes from that. And I had glimpses of that, but this period of intense stillness, and by the way, since then, I've kept a week of silence every year. Sometimes I do more. And that week of silence, usually in September I do every year, just to go back to the taste of timeless being. Instead of, you know, our ego identity,

• 36:46Deepak Chopra?

  which we keep polishing every day now, especially these days, with social media and books and promotions and you name it.

• 36:54Jay Shetty?

  What's something that people can do daily to access that experience? Because like you said, our days are just busy with work and family and commitments and events. What's something people can do daily that helps them access their true identity, their self, going beyond the ego and the mind and the body?

• 37:12Deepak Chopra?

  I think the basic of it is to still the mind as much as possible and just become a silent witness to that which is happening on the screen of your consciousness. So if you close your eyes and take a few deep breaths, and then, you know, I usually start with a little reflection. Who am I? Who wants to know the answer? What is it that wants to know the answer to the question, who am I? What is my purpose? What do I want for me and the world? What am I grateful for? That's how I start.

• 37:56Deepak Chopra?

  Then I go into a little bit of breathing and then mantra meditation. And then what I do is I witness what's happening on the screen of my consciousness, just becoming aware. And sooner or later, you realize that what's happening on the screen of consciousness is not who you are. You're the one who's watching that. And then what's happening on the screen of your consciousness ultimately leads to deep insights about mind and body and the physical world, which actually doesn't really exist. But we can get into that when we talk about meta-human. But I think if people just ask these four questions every day before they start their day,

• 38:38Deepak Chopra?

  even without a prolonged meditation process, who am I? What do I want? What's my purpose? What am I grateful for? Suddenly, the windows to the bigger reality starts to open.

• 38:50Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. This is such a beautiful point that Deepak's making right now for everyone listening and watching. It's just such a simple way of starting to transcend the noise and the clutter that we feel every morning when we wake up and the first thing we do is look at our phones. All you have to do is just switch that habit for asking yourself these questions.

• 39:08Deepak Chopra?

  And you don't need to know the answers because, you know, there are no fixed answers. These answers keep changing. All you have to do is live the questions and then life keeps moving you into answers that you need at that moment in your life.

• 39:22Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely.

• 39:22Deepak Chopra?

  And it all happens spontaneously, synchronistically.

• 39:25Jay Shetty?

  Such a great point because these answers are revealed and received. They're not, they're not found.

• 39:29Deepak Chopra?

  And they're pertinent for that moment in your life, not necessarily the answers.

• 39:35Jay Shetty?

  I love that. I think that's such a good point because so often we put this pressure when we ask a question that we must find the answer now. It's like the education system has drilled us to believing that you have the right or wrong answer within moments.

• 39:46Deepak Chopra?

  What was that poet who said, live the questions and life will move you to the answers when you need them? Because if you got them right now, you may not be even prepared for them.

• 39:57Jay Shetty?

  Wow. Yeah, that's a good point. I know life has done that to me a lot of times. Yeah, when you ask questions and you think you want the answer now, but then when you actually receive it, you realize, yes, I wasn't prepared.

• 40:09Deepak Chopra?

  That's right.

• 40:10Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. Wow. What a profound, what a profound way of thinking about it. I love that. That's, that's made a huge shift in my mind, not even to want to answer the questions now.

• 40:18Deepak Chopra?

  No.

• 40:18Jay Shetty?

  Just ask them and let your day.

• 40:20Deepak Chopra?

  And let them go. They come in the form of insight, intuition, inspiration, creative.

• 40:27Deepak Chopra?

  Creativity, but most importantly, they come in the form of meaningful coincidences, or what Kal Yung calls synchronicity, or what religious people say grace.

• 40:40Jay Shetty?

  Yes, yeah, yeah, meaningful coincidences, absolutely. Yeah, how beautifully said, I love that. So this is what I love about your journey, Deepak, is just that at every point, it seems that you've been a seeker for more, like you've continually gone in the direction of more learning, more growth, never settling. How have you seen the medical industry shift? How have you seen other things around you shift with time? Because you've really gone all the way. Do you think that we are seeing shifts in the medical?

• 41:11Deepak Chopra?

  Yeah, we are seeing shifts. When I started, I felt like a loner.

• 41:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, I can imagine.

• 41:16Deepak Chopra?

  But now, integrative medicine is part of every institution, including academia. And in the last fifteen, twenty years, our foundation has done a lot of research. So we've made it pretty mainstream right now. So to summarize very shortly, what has taken thirty years to learn, or more, forty years to learn, is that only five percent of disease-related gene mutations are fully penetrant. So let me explain this for those, for a lay audience. So a genetic, a genetic mutation is a, is a mistake. It's an error in the gene.

• 42:02Deepak Chopra?

  Genes are stretches of DNA that code for proteins. So DNAs stands for deoxyribonucleic acid, and there are four of these named after alphabets, adenine, guanine, cytosine, thymine, ATCG. So ATCG are the four letters of life. In English, we have twenty-six letters. In most languages, human languages, we have more than twenty letters. But the language of life, DNA, has only four letters, ATCG. And these spell out. Words that we call genes and the body is a story spelt out by those genes. So when people say first there was the word, word was made into flesh.

• 42:47Deepak Chopra?

  In a way, it's very literal, actually, when you start to look at the biological mechanism. Now, once in a while, or more than once in a while, there are genetic mistakes. So you might think of them, again, we're speaking metaphorically, but a spelling mistake. So instead of the word being spelled correctly, maybe one of the letters A T C G is missing, or it's in the wrong place, or it's upside down, or you have redundant two letters instead of one. That mistake, genetic variation, is called a mutation. Now, only 5% of these genetic mutations that are associated with disease,

• 43:29Deepak Chopra?

  cancer, heart disease, arthritis, strokes, you name it, autoimmune diseases, Alzheimer's, only 5% actually guarantee the disease. Which means if you have one of those mutations, you're going to get the disease. Like Angelina Jolie had a gene called the BRCA gene, which predicts breast cancer, 100%. So she had a mastectomy to prevent the cancer, rightly so. For those 5%, there are new technologies that are being developed right now. And CRISPR is one of them, which means you can cut and paste the gene the way you would an email.

• 44:11Deepak Chopra?

  So you would take the defective gene, you'd read the barcode with a molecular scissors, you delete it, and then you'll insert the right gene. It's not happening right now, but it'll happen in the near future. But what people don't understand is that's 5% of illness.

• 44:28Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 44:28Deepak Chopra?

  The rest, even the genetic mistakes that are associated with disease, depends on how you live your life. And very simple things like sleep, meditation and stress management, movement.

• 44:41Deepak Chopra?

  Yoga and pranayama. Now yoga and pranayama goes way beyond exercise because with yoga and pranayama, there's a particular nerve in the body called the vagus nerve. It's the 10th nerve. And the word vagus is a Latin word, but it's related to the English word vagabond. So this nerve comes from the midbrain. It influences your facial expressions. So you can now do micro expressions and see if a person is happy or not. It influences the eye movements. It influences the tone of your voice. Are you threatened? Are you stressed? Are you friendly? Are you happy? It influences your heart rate activity.

• 45:23Deepak Chopra?

  Then it pierces the diaphragm and it influences the activity of every other branch of the vagus nerve that goes to all the organs in the body. So when I discovered this through yoga teachers and masters, I realized that the yoga asanas, you know, we say yoga asana. And people usually translate that into as postures. But actually, the word asana means seat, as you know, seat of awareness, seat of consciousness. So each yoga asana is a particular seat of consciousness that stimulates a particular nerve that is going to an organ in your body.

• 46:03Deepak Chopra?

  And the only reason for that nerve is self-regulation or healing or homeostasis. So when I discovered that, I became fanatic about yoga. I haven't missed yoga now for as long as I can remember. That's amazing. Not one day of yoga or meditation or pranayama. So it was a long time. So when you put together, you know, yoga, movement, sleep, stress management, healthy relationships and emotions like love, compassion, joy, equanimity, food that doesn't kill your microbiome, which is the 2 million extra genes in our body, which are not human.

• 46:45Deepak Chopra?

  So you only have 25,000 human genes, but you have 2 million bacterial genes in your body.

• 46:52Deepak Chopra?

  This is called the microbial microbiome. It is much, it's as important as the human genome. So you can change the activity of your microbial genes just by changing your diet. So if you go, not even vegan, but if you go maximum diversity on plant-based foods and foods that are not contaminated with antibiotics or hormones or insecticides, you can change your genetic activity

• 47:21Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 47:22Deepak Chopra?

  and the population of your genes in less than six weeks. And which means then you're reinventing your body because your body is spelt out by your genes. So this got me going strongly into how do we reinvent our bodies by resurrecting our souls and going past our minds? And that's what I'm obsessed with now.

• 47:43Jay Shetty?

  Wow, I love that. I'm so glad you're obsessed with it because the fact that we're so responsible for our own well-being is huge in the sense of belief that there are ways in which we can rewrite that story.

• 47:56Deepak Chopra?

  You can rewrite the genetic structure of your body. You can't change the human genes, by the way, because you got them from your parents. But you can change their activity. So here's one of our researchers. We put one, we put people through a one-week retreat where they not only learnt mantra meditation, but they also practiced the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali from the chapter on the cities, particularly transcending the senses. In one week, literally, and this is published now in major peer-reviewed journals. If people want to check them out, go to choprafoundation.org and you'll see all the research.

• 48:36Deepak Chopra?

  And the research was in collaboration with scientists from Harvard, from UCSF, from Duke, from Scripps, of course Chopra Foundation, Mount Sinai in New York. And what did we find? We found that in one week. Of this practice of meditation and the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali, all the genes that are responsible for healing and self-regulation, they went up some seventeen fold over baseline. These are human genes. And the genes that cause disease or inflammation went down drastically. The enzyme, there's an enzyme in our body called telomerase. It influences the length of telomeres, which are like little buttons at the end of your chromosomes.

• 49:19Deepak Chopra?

  The, the level of the enzyme went up forty percent in one week, which means people were reversing their biological age at a genetic level.

• 49:29Jay Shetty?

  Wow.

• 49:29Deepak Chopra?

  Okay, now, how far does this go? We don't know.

• 49:32Jay Shetty?

  And that was just one week?

• 49:33Deepak Chopra?

  It's just one week. And you know, the people who are in samadhi for weeks at a time, those traditions are not that prevalent. You know, there's a technique in Ayurveda called Kaya Kalpa, where you go into a retreat where it is totally dark, where you have no communication with the world, where you transcend, where you eat minimal, um, maximum diversity of plant-based foods. And in six months, you come back a younger person biologically, physiologically. You know, I'm seventy-two now.

• 50:10Jay Shetty?

  I know, you're looking beautiful.

• 50:11Deepak Chopra?

  I, you know, I'm not focused on aging anymore.

• 50:15Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 50:16Deepak Chopra?

  Because I think that's a mistake.

• 50:17Jay Shetty?

  For anyone who follows Deepak on social media, Instagram or Facebook, if you don't already, I highly recommend it. But I've never seen you miss a day of yoga meditation. I see you every time and you inspire me so much because I just think like, if you're able, at your current body's age, to be able to do the things you are with your body and how healthy you are and how healthy your body and mind are, I mean, we have no excuses.

• 50:40Deepak Chopra?

  There's biological age, which is the exact biomarkers. So what's blood pressure, bone density, body temperature regulation, fat content, cholesterol, vision, hearing, skin thickness, wrinkles, hormones. That's biological age. Then there's chronological age, when you were born. Birth certificate says.

• 51:02Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 51:03Deepak Chopra?

  Then there's psychological age, how do you feel?

• 51:05Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 51:05Deepak Chopra?

  And then there's spiritual age, which is timeless.

• 51:07Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 51:08Deepak Chopra?

  Has no age whatsoever. So, you know, we have to make these distinctions and see which of these we're talking about.

• 51:15Jay Shetty?

  Hundred percent, hundred percent. When you said at the end there that you're not thinking about aging anymore, what did you mean by that? When you said that?

• 51:22Deepak Chopra?

  It's now um something I talk about in my new book, Metahuman. That what we call body, mind and world and aging and birth and death are actually human constructs, they're not real. Now, we can go into that to the extent that you want.

• 51:47Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Should we dive into the book for a bit?

• 51:49Deepak Chopra?

  We can.

• 51:50Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, let's do that. If that's what you want to do, let's, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, no, no, I'd love to. I've got so many questions on the book that we've put together for you, so I'm happy to do that. So in one of the things, this is what I was looking at, the you start the book by prompting two questions. Right? In moments where you feel very happy, do you watch yourself being happy? And when you're angry, is someone, is some part of you free of anger? Right? Why did you start with these two questions?

• 52:15Deepak Chopra?

  So in all the spiritual traditions, not necessarily just the eastern traditions, they speak of two worlds, the immanent and the transcendent. So the immanent is this world that we're in right now, this space-time causality, New York City, the hotel we're in. And then the transcendent world is the world of infinite being or consciousness. At all times, we're in both these worlds without knowing. But once you become aware, even slightly,

• 52:55Deepak Chopra?

  that the awareness of a thought is not a thought. Right? If you're able to observe a thought, then you, the observer, is not that thought, right? Similarly, the observer of the emotion, or which is the awareness of an emotion, is not the emotion.

• 53:11Jay Shetty?

  Agreed.

• 53:12Deepak Chopra?

  Or a perception or a color. You know, right now we are perceiving through our five senses. And what we are perceiving is colors, forms, uh, shapes, sounds,

• 53:26Deepak Chopra?

  sensations in our body.

• 53:29Deepak Chopra?

  Maybe emotions and thoughts and maybe images. That's the raw material of experience. That's all there is. Okay. The words body, mind and world are human constructs

• 53:46Deepak Chopra?

  based on the interpretation of these raw sensations. So, once you start to become a witness of experience, you realize that you are intrinsically free of the experience, unless you identify with it, unless you say, "That's me."

• 54:04Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 54:04Deepak Chopra?

  It's not you, it's an experience you're having, right?

• 54:07Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely.

• 54:07Deepak Chopra?

  So, once you bind yourself to the experience, which we call the karmic web of existence, then you are in that circle of karma, memory, desire. You are constantly seeking validation. You're afraid of people who criticize you. You're flattered by people who flatter you. You feel beneath someone or superior to someone. It's the melodrama of our daily existence.

• 54:38Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 54:38Deepak Chopra?

  When you can observe what's happening in the realm of experience and instead of reacting to it, you observe the reaction to react, even for a second. Instead of reacting to the experience, you observe the reaction to react, you suddenly realize that your range of options or choices right this moment is actually infinite.

• 55:06Deepak Chopra?

  And you don't have to be a bundle of conditioned reflexes and nerves that's constantly being triggered by people and circumstance into predictable outcomes. So, you become a... You become... You're at the mercy of every stranger on the street. So, I think it's very important to know that, yes, I'm having this experience, but I am intrinsically free of this experience. So, that's how the book starts.

• 55:29Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, and I absolutely love that because it's... An analogy I usually used to share that experiences like when we're in a car and someone hits the car, we say, oh, someone hit me.

• 55:38Deepak Chopra?

  Yes.

• 55:38Jay Shetty?

  But actually, they didn't hit you, they hit the car.

• 55:40Deepak Chopra?

  Yeah.

• 55:41Jay Shetty?

  And you're identifying as the car as yourself.

• 55:44Deepak Chopra?

  Yes. Now, how about if they hit your body?

• 55:46Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 55:46Deepak Chopra?

  You know, and, and your body perishes, right?

• 55:50Jay Shetty?

  Yes.

• 55:50Deepak Chopra?

  So that's the argument people have against the argument that spiritual people have, which is you're not your body, you're not your mind. So, you know, you remember that famous dialogue between Samuel Johnson and, and whoever that idealist was, and he said, you know, the world is a projection of consciousness. And I think it was Samuel Johnson who hit his leg on a piece of stone and said, I refute you thus. Saying that, you know, you get hit by a bus, you're gonna, you're gonna break your bones and you might die.

• 56:31Jay Shetty?

  Sure.

• 56:32Deepak Chopra?

  So, uh, why do you say that the physical world is an illusion? Now, if you want, we can address that.

• 56:38Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, let's address that, yeah.

• 56:39Deepak Chopra?

  Let's address that.

• 56:40Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 56:40Deepak Chopra?

  So, you know, this is, of course, I take people through the book very slowly.

• 56:45Jay Shetty?

  Of course.

• 56:46Deepak Chopra?

  But if you asked a regular person on the street, what is this? They'd say, it's a microphone. If you ask them, what's this? You'd say, this is a watch. What's this? This is my hand. What's this? This is my body.

• 57:05Deepak Chopra?

  Now, if you really start to look at this very carefully, before you call anything by its name, microphone, hand, body, um, watch, before you use that, those words,

• 57:22Deepak Chopra?

  it's an experience. And the experience is actually not a physical experience. Color, form, and shape are not physical experiences. If I asked you, where in the physical world is the color red located?

• 57:37Deepak Chopra?

  You would say nowhere. In fact, there's no color red in the physical world. What's coming to your eyes are electromagnetic vibrations which have no color. What's happening in your eyes, there's no color. And if I asked you to imagine a beautiful red sunset, you have a picture in your consciousness, but there's no picture in your brain. There's no picture in your eyes. And actually, the sunset is not, if you're imagining it, it's not in the physical world. Now, what you don't realize is when you're looking at a real sunset, all you're experiencing is color. The rest is a story. Okay, that's a sunset. This is a body.

• 58:19Deepak Chopra?

  Okay, color, shapes, textures, sensations, smells, images, emotions, and thoughts have no location in the physical world. And yet, out of this raw material, we create the idea of a physical world. So in Sanskrit, that's called Jagat Mithya, the world appearance, on the screen of your consciousness. And your body is part of that world appearance. Because people, you know, they say, "Where are you?" People say, "I'm here," but there's no one inside there. Okay, because this is also an experience in consciousness. The mind is an experience in consciousness. Moreover, it's a shifting experience in consciousness. You know, a thought is ungraspable.

• 59:03Deepak Chopra?

  It's ephemeral, it's evanescent. You can't catch it. Okay, you can't catch a perception. I look here, I look there. These are two snapshots of perception, and they're evanescent. I look at my body, and by the time I look at, again, it's a different body, because it's recycling so fast at the level of atoms and molecules, and information and energy. So the fact that we call this a body, it's actually a changing experience of sensations, images, feelings, and thoughts that is a modified form of your own self. And it's changing, it's ungraspable. Same thing with the mind, it's ungraspable. Same thing which we will call with the world. It's a changing experience of shifting what we call kwalya

• 59:49Deepak Chopra?

  in the spiritual literature now, in the consciousness literature, there's this word kwalya instead of quantum. Quantum is a unit of measurement, but a kwalya is a unit of experience. So if I tell you, think of your wife right now and you see an image, that's a kwalya. Now feel the emotion connected with that, that's a kwalya. Now think of what you want to do with her this evening, go out for dinner or a movie, that's a kwalya. So kwalya are units of experience. When we string them together, we create the construct of mind, body and world. And once we create that construct, then we're stuck with constructs like birth and death and karma and memory and desire

• 1:00:33Deepak Chopra?

  and all the things which make a very fascinating human experience, but it's not reality. We are already in a virtual reality. Okay, so today with VR and immersive augmented experiences and dreamscapes, it is becoming clear that the world that you and I are inhabiting right now is a collective human dreamscape. And as body-minds, we are fictional characters in that dreamscape. And it's an illusion that we can upgrade or we can downgrade. You know, we can create heaven out of it or hell, but it's still not fundamental reality. And now with the new technologies, this is becoming very clear.

• 1:01:18Deepak Chopra?

  Once you realize that the world is a construct, yes, the construct has been evolving through mythology, through religion, through economics, through history, through society, through culture, but it's still a construct. And what these great seers, these great rishis were able to do is they were able to deconstruct it. Once you deconstructed, what are you left with? You know, when you left, you've heard that expression, nati, nati, nati, I'm not the mind, I'm not the body, I'm not the intellect, I'm the observer. What are you left with? Once you deconstruct everything, what you're left with is formless, infinite, dynamic.

• 1:02:06Deepak Chopra?

  Field of infinite possibilities, infinite creativity, infinite love, and the source of intention. So that's what yoga originally was and should be. Yoga means union, union with the self, which is also the self of the universe. And this is where, you know, I got totally seduced. That human suffering, as the Vedanta says, comes from not knowing true reality, fundamental reality, confusing perceptual reality with fundamental reality, grasping and clinging that which you cannot grasp or cling,

• 1:02:47Deepak Chopra?

  the fear of impermanence, the construct of the ego and the fear of death. These are all the same thing, not knowing what is real and what is a projection. And even the projection can be changed.

• 1:03:01Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely. Wow. What a class in, what a masterclass in, in, in reality and illusion. How does then one function within the world? But then still understand, because I think the challenge people have on a day to day basis, as you've probably heard for decades, is this, well, if it, if, if what I'm experiencing is not complete reality, then where do I go from there? Like, what do I do? Do I get married? Do I fall in love? Do I not? Do I work?

• 1:03:27Deepak Chopra?

  We go to the movies, you know, I used to go to a lot of movies. I don't that much anymore because what we call everyday reality is a more interesting movie than most movies.

• 1:03:39Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:39Deepak Chopra?

  Don't have the imagination to capture the, what is happening in what we call everyday reality. So we're in it, we might as well enjoy it and upgrade it. And that's what the expression is to be in the world and not of it.

• 1:03:56Jay Shetty?

  Of this world, yeah.

• 1:03:57Deepak Chopra?

  Okay, or we are spiritual beings having a human experience or non-local beings having a local experience, timeless but in time. Once you understand that, and once you also get into the habit.

• 1:04:12Deepak Chopra?

  Of self-reflection, self-inquiry, observing perceptual experiences without necessarily judging them. So I'm right now having the experience of colors and forms and tastes and smells and sounds. I don't necessarily have to qualify this experience. And transcendence, where you know, you go to that place where there is no mantra and no thought and just deep stillness. Then the shift starts to occur that you're not identifying with your body, mind, or experiences of the world, and yet you're enjoying them or not enjoying them. And now you want to do something to shift.

• 1:04:54Deepak Chopra?

  And since you're in the world, you know, about 25 years ago, I wrote this book, How to Make That Practical. And I don't know how, but basically I came up with the idea of the seven spiritual laws of success. The law of pure potentiality, the law of giving and receiving, karma, intention, desire, least effort, and detachment, and dharma. Those seven principles guided me into a new idea of what success is. The progressive realization of worthy goals, the ability to love, to have compassion. But most importantly, to identify with your creative center

• 1:05:38Deepak Chopra?

  instead of the projection that's coming from that center. Because most of the time, our experience of... is coming from identifying with a projection that has been created by the conditioned or ego mind. Now, the ego mind is not going to disappear as long as you're in this body. Or actually, you're not in the body, the body is in you, but whatever. So it's not going to disappear. But if you keep it in the background and you're aware of it, and you ask yourself, "What am I motivated by?" And I have these little tricks in my mind. Pursue excellence, ignore success, and then everything happens. Synchronicity, meaningful coincidences.

• 1:06:22Deepak Chopra?

  The state of grace, effortless being, spontaneous fulfillment of desire. These are little things over the years that I've gleaned as my little catchphrases to remind myself.

• 1:06:32Jay Shetty?

  Yes, of reality.

• 1:06:34Deepak Chopra?

  That I must live a life that is based on love. And if it's not based on love at the highest level, you know, as the Vedantes say, love should radiate from you like light from a bonfire.

• 1:06:47Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:48Deepak Chopra?

  Not focused on anyone and not denied to anyone. It's just the light of the sun.

• 1:06:54Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:54Deepak Chopra?

  If you start, and it takes time, you know, remember, I'm seventy-two.

• 1:06:58Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

• 1:06:59Deepak Chopra?

  It took me.

• 1:07:00Jay Shetty?

  And I think that's the most beautiful thing is that what we're having to do on a daily practical level is just continuing to realign and just being able to recognize that all your experience, you are not your experiences, you are not the result of an external result. You know, you don't have to take on that burden. Just like layers of clothes, we've just been wearing all these emotions like layers of clothes. You can just take them off and let go. They're not you.

• 1:07:26Deepak Chopra?

  Very beautifully said.

• 1:07:28Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:28Deepak Chopra?

  But you see, this is also very interesting because awareness is never as free

• 1:07:39Deepak Chopra?

  and creative when it's not tethered to an experience.

• 1:07:43Jay Shetty?

  Correct.

• 1:07:44Deepak Chopra?

  Whether the experience is that which we call the body, that which we call the world, or that which we call the mind. When awareness is untethered, which we call pure awareness, it's infinite, formless but infinite. You know, Tagore had a beautiful poem. He said, "In this playhouse of infinite forms, I caught sight of the formless, and so my life was blessed." The formless is the real you, and it's infinite.

• 1:08:09Jay Shetty?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:09Deepak Chopra?

  The form is a phenomenon.

• 1:08:13Deepak Chopra?

  And as the phenomenon, it's you as that phenomenon. So when you see yourself in an object, we call that beauty. When you see yourself in another person, we call that love. Because ultimately, there is only the self as both the subject and the object of experience.

• 1:08:29Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely, absolutely incredible, Deepak. Every time I sit down with you, I always get another revelation and another thing to focus on. Genuinely, I'm not just saying that I can just sit and listen to you because, yeah, I'm just trying to piece things together. And I really hope that when the book comes out, we can sit down again.

• 1:08:44Deepak Chopra?

  I'd love.

• 1:08:44Jay Shetty?

  And go deeply into just the book.

• 1:08:46Deepak Chopra?

  When the book comes out, maybe we go into the steps to awakening.

• 1:08:49Jay Shetty?

  That's what I think so. I think that would be amazing.

• 1:08:50Deepak Chopra?

  How about we go into living the awakened life?

• 1:08:55Jay Shetty?

  Absolutely, I'd love that. I'd love that.

• 1:08:56Deepak Chopra?

  Let's do that.

• 1:08:57Jay Shetty?

  Yeah, because today I feel like we've really been able to capture your story and your background and your journey. And when the book comes out in October, I believe.

• 1:09:03Deepak Chopra?

  Living the awakened life.

• 1:09:04Jay Shetty?

  That's when we'll go into that world. So, Deepak, we end every interview with a final five. This is a rapid fire, quick fire round. Answers have to be one word or one sentence. So, the first question is, what's your favorite principle in a book you've written? What's one of the number one principles or?

• 1:09:22Deepak Chopra?

  How can I serve?

• 1:09:23Jay Shetty?

  How can I serve? Beautiful. Thank you. Wonderful answers. Second question, if you could get everyone in the world to start doing one thing every day, what would it be? If you could task the world and they could take on one practice, what would be that one?

• 1:09:36Deepak Chopra?

  Ask yourself, who am I? What am I? And see what happens.

• 1:09:42Jay Shetty?

  Okay, awesome. Number three, if you could define the human experience in one word, what would it be?

• 1:09:48Deepak Chopra?

  Sacred and profane.

• 1:09:51Jay Shetty?

  Amazing. Number four, what do you feel is your greatest accomplishment?

• 1:09:56Deepak Chopra?

  These days, I would like to say my grandkids.

• 1:09:59Jay Shetty?

  Beautiful. And question number five, what is one thing you're looking forward to accomplishing this year? Or learning this year?

• 1:10:07Deepak Chopra?

  Sharing my revelations with the world.

• 1:10:10Jay Shetty?

  Amazing. Deepak, thank you so much for being a living example of everything you speak about. If you already don't follow Deepak on Instagram and Facebook and all the other platforms, Twitter, etc., please go and follow him. He is a real example of everything he shared today. His practice of yoga, his practice of meditation, everything he speaks, it's just emanating from you all the time. Being with Deepak for a few moments, you get to experience that too. So, please, please, please go and follow him. His book, Metahuman, is coming out in October. We will do another interview for that book because I believe there's so much to dive into. And today, we've been able to uncover Deepak's incredible life. I didn't know all of that. I'm sure all of you didn't as well. So, please, go ahead. Grab the Seven Spiritual Laws of Success as well.

• 1:10:54Jay Shetty?

  It's a phenomenal book, one of my favorite ones. So, I highly recommend that reading before Metahuman when it comes out later this year. But, Deepak, thank you again for this incredible, incredible opportunity.

• 1:11:04Deepak Chopra?

  It's a privilege.

• 1:11:05Jay Shetty?

  Thank you, and thank you for being such a supporter of my work and such an encourager. It means the world. Thank you so much.

• 1:11:10Deepak Chopra?

  Thank you.

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