The Snack: Beckham Drama, Divorce News, and Tell Me Lies

Welcome back to The Snack – a lighter serving of Girls Gotta Eat. This week, we're talking about: Kristi and Desmond Scott's divorce and scandal Kyle and Amanda from Summer House divorce announcement Brooklyn Beckham airing his family's dirty laundry Breaking down the 2016 trend and reminiscing Tell Me Lies – review of S3 so far and the real life couples on the show Headlines: Euphoria trailer breaks records, Indiana University wins football championship, Luda pulls out of MAGA Fest Follow us on Instagram @girlsgottaeatpodcast, Ashley @ashhess, and Rayna @rayna.greenberg. Visit girlsgottaeat.com for more. Thank you to Shopify: If 2026 is your year, go to shopify.com/gge and make your move. Download the Kitchen Sink app here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:00Rayna Greenberg?

  This week on the snack Beckham family drama, tell me lies and why we want it to be 2016 again. This is a Dear Media production. Enjoy.

• 0:14Rayna Greenberg?

  Hi guys.

• 0:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  Hi.

• 0:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Big week.

• 0:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, the tea has been hot and flowing.

• 0:20Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, there was this tweet, it's just a big day for Instagram stories.

• 0:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it's a big day for Instagram stories. We will get into it.

• 0:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Listen, I hate to see other people having drama, but I love to talk about it.

• 0:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Let's start it out like we don't take joy in other people's, we don't take pleasure in other people's pain, but the show is about the drama.

• 0:40Rayna Greenberg?

  The show, our show.

• 0:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Our show.

• 0:43Ashley Hesseltine?

  We're gonna talk about it.

• 0:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, we're gonna just thank our partner and then we're gonna get right into it. Thank you Shopify. If 2026 is your year, go to Shopify.com slash GGE and make your move.

• 0:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay. Well, since we only have one partner today, I wanted to plug another.

• 0:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Add another partner to the show.

• 0:58Ashley Hesseltine?

  Add another partner to the show. So my husband, Shashank, who in honor of him, I'm wearing my new sweatshirt from the TikTok shop. Go on YouTube if you want to read it. Just leave you on a cliffhanger.

• 1:11Rayna Greenberg?

  You're not gonna tell me what it says.

• 1:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm not gonna tell you. You can read it, but anyone else can go to YouTube and watch.

• 1:16Rayna Greenberg?

  I noticed it. I've been knowing about it.

• 1:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  This got me. Have you seen this? Like if you ever get served these like you, these sweatshirts, you just have to have them.

• 1:23Rayna Greenberg?

  No, they got me on skincare the other day.

• 1:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 1:25Rayna Greenberg?

  I just loaded up.

• 1:26Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's too quick and easy. Anyway, so he has completely created, designed, and launched this app called Kitchen Sync. And I've just like loved watching it come to life and excited to share it with you guys. And it is a recipe app and it is so simple, but just so like what's needed in the world. And it's so special. It looks so great and it's so fun to use. And you can download it for free. Go to the App Store. I'll, I will put a little screenshot up on the screen, Kitchen Sync Recipe Builder. And you just say what you want to cook that night. And you can list ingredients you already have in your fridge and it will build recipes surrounding that. Or you can just be like, I don't have anything and create a shopping list for me. And you can export the shopping list. There's all these cool features. But

• 2:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  basically if you were like, I have chicken and rice and I want to make it for this many people, you put in the amount of people, you put in how much time you want to spend on it. And then it gives you three options.

• 2:18Rayna Greenberg?

  It's not just a recipe app. I really love it. As somebody who's been in like the food space for a long time, I've seen every app. I've seen every dumb idea. I. This is a like totally AI-generated like what am I gonna cook today type of app? And I said to him, I am having like, I feel really bloated and I need something that's gonna power wash my colon.

• 2:38Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh my god.

• 2:38Rayna Greenberg?

  And he was like, I got you. And he spit out this recipe, he feels like lentil stew on the app. And you really can just, you can say anything. I have X dietary restrictions. I wanna cook something at like a beginner level. I have three ingredients in my fridge or nothing in my fridge. Like, what can I make? And like, this just like, it's all I've ever wanted. I've always just wanted to be like, I have this shit at home. I have this equipment at home. Like, what do I make?

• 3:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, so exactly. And when you put in what you wanna make and the ingredients that you have or don't have, and you can list your dietary restrictions, like Raina said, it gives you three options: basic, classic, and creative. So just essentially easy, intermediate, and a little more difficult if you're a pro. And it gives you your ingredients, your steps, your shopping list, and then it gives you additional notes. You can save all the recipes. You can share them. There's a share feature. You can add photos. And you can change the color.

• 3:33Rayna Greenberg?

  It's just, it's what I've wanted always. And I think that like, people with kids, really, or people that are long days, like, I just think you're like, I don't know what to make. And like, my mom, this was like, the hardest thing for her, is like, a single mom, every day to come home from work, open up the fridge. And I was amazed by her. She like, created magic out of the fridge every day. But like,

• 3:49Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 3:49Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, to have an app to tell you to do this. I've always wanted something like

• 3:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's so great. My brother and my sister-in-law have been using it. Like, our family's been using it. We've been testing it for a while now. And it's just really so special. And it looks so good. And it's so easy to use. Again, you can choose your color theme: sage, paprika, juniper, or espresso. We had so much fun coming up with those names. So I'm a paprika girlie.

• 4:09Rayna Greenberg?

  I know. I was gonna choose paprika as well.

• 4:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  You can also do meal prep mode. If you're prepping for the week, you wanna make like five of something, and it'll walk you through it.

• 4:16Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, smart.

• 4:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's so easy. You can do your metric units. You can mix that up. And it's really easy to use. And it's free. And you guys can check it out and just support our family business. And so I can stop working.

• 4:27Rayna Greenberg?

  I would love to retire.

• 4:30Rayna Greenberg?

  I would love for him to retire both of them.

• 4:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Exactly.

• 4:32Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I love this. And honestly, it is my nightmare that a friend of mine is like, my husband created this app. And I'm like, oh, God, it's so stupid. I was like, so amped when he told me about this. I can't, I was just, I just text him about it, like ideas. And he's like, it's already in there. It's already in that guy. Just, I love it.

• 4:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes. And everybody is so into it. And this is not, he is doing another app, which we talked about when he was on the podcast. That's different. But this is one that really speaks to us and our audience. And it's like, cooking. And if you're staring into the fridge, what the fuck do I do? This is the app for you. So please download it on the App Store, support it so Raina and I can retire. I'm just kidding.

• 5:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, drop the name again.

• 5:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  Kitchen Sink.

• 5:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, let's talk about.

• 5:11Ashley Hesseltine?

  Guess who named it?

• 5:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Your girl. Yeah, the colors, the names.

• 5:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I just named it.

• 5:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Guess who signed up on the social media looking vibe?

• 5:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, check that out, you guys. And we are gonna.

• 5:20Rayna Greenberg?

  Some other couples.

• 5:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, we are gonna kick this off with a divorce report. You hate to see it, but that's what's happening in the world.

• 5:28Rayna Greenberg?

  You know, if people are gonna move on and have better lives and feel happier, I love to see it.

• 5:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 5:33Rayna Greenberg?

  You know?

• 5:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Exactly. Okay. So I'm gonna just gonna start with Christie and Desmond. So I will school you a little on this. You're not that familiar with this couple. So this is a social media couple, millions of followers between the two of them. She is 18 million or something. He is millions. I mean, they're crazy. So Shashank actually showed them to me first. She would be doing like flips and stuff. And she would put on like a crazy outfit to go take a walk around the block. And he would be reacting to it. And people just loved them. They felt very aspirational. They're gorgeous. They have their dream home, their two kids. They met when they were 19 and 20. They got married in 2014. They live in Houston. And then in 2024, towards the end of the year, they did like a redo wedding because they got married so young and they did their whole like 10 year.

• 6:15Rayna Greenberg?

  20, they just got remarried.

• 6:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  They did a like redo wedding. Yeah, essentially. Yes, that's what I'm saying.

• 6:20Rayna Greenberg?

  That is, listen, that is the kiss of death.

• 6:22Ashley Hesseltine?

  What?

• 6:23Rayna Greenberg?

  It is. Everybody on Real Housewives, every single time somebody does like a vow renewal, they get divorced.

• 6:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  No.

• 6:28Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, this always happens. It's really, it's sad.

• 6:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 6:31Rayna Greenberg?

  So Ramona, Shannon Bedore, I mean, you've every one of them divorced in a year.

• 6:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  That is so crazy. I didn't know that lore. So yeah, they did their wedding redo in like, I guess, towards the end of 2024. And again, people really loved them and she filed for divorce on December 30th, 2025. So just a few weeks ago, it became public like last week, January 10th or something. And she cited infidelity, like she made it clear. It wasn't irreconcilable differences. Like, and I was seeing like, they live in Texas and whatever the laws are, like she did that on purpose. Like she didn't make it vague for a reason. Like she's like, he cheated.

• 7:10Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, my dad got divorced in Texas and I was like reading up on the divorce. I mean, hot take, there's different divorce laws in different states, but yes, you have to cite something.

• 7:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Right. But it's like, if that's what happened, that's what happened. He made a statement on his Instagram story, big day for Instagram stories also last week. Two big weeks for Instagram stories. And he said he wanted to separate at the end of 2025. And it sounds like maybe she didn't, or they just tried to work it out. And in that period of like, we're gonna break up, he cheated. He stepped out. So he admitted it and he apologized. I don't like defending it, but I'm just saying he came out and admitted it. And just some of the tea since then, that days after that, he was spotted making out with this model at the bar, the club in Houston, like days, like I think 48 hours post divorce.

• 7:55Rayna Greenberg?

  So this was a case, by the way, where she found out he was cheating, immediately filed for divorce. This isn't like they've been split for months and.

• 8:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  He's saying towards the end of 2025, they started talking about separating.

• 8:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 8:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  It sounds like there'd been trouble, they'd had problems before that, obviously, but I don't know exactly how it went down. It sounded like they decided they were gonna break up and he saw his opportunity. He took it to cheat and then they were like, we're now we're really done. And the girl he made out with has since made a statement. And so she came out and I loved her statement. She was just like. Yeah, we made out. I'm not the one he cheated with. She wanted to make it clear like I'm not the one that broke up the marriage. She also was like, y'all are saying I'm trans. Okay, you're weird for that. That's an insult. I thought we were past that in 2026, but I am a biological female. Like, she said a bunch of stuff and just was like very cool with it and was just like, I think people are like, she's gonna do what she's gonna do. She's not the one to blame.

• 8:50Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, listen, I know that we're gonna talk about the 2016 trend and people like missing 2016, but what I do like about these times that we're living in now is the second someone says some shit about you online, you have 19 platforms that you're at your disposal to be like, uh-uh.

• 9:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, yeah, I still feel like we had all that in 2016, but like the old days, like you couldn't get your statement out. What would you have to do? Go on the news? Contact the newspaper? And then the last thing I do like is Christie posted on Instagram a few days after the divorce announcement in their house, in their mansion, all dressed up, all dolled up, caption, same address. So basically, I'm keeping the house.

• 9:31Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, that's funny.

• 9:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  So she, she's like, I got the house. He has since moved into, it looks like another house that is not as nice. It doesn't look like it from the kitchen.

• 9:40Rayna Greenberg?

  They never do.

• 9:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then she changed her name on Instagram. It's now back to Christie Sarah. And then she unfollowed him. And I think he was still following her, but she has since unfollowed him. But I just love the like, and I'm keeping the house. And this is just another one of those cases of like this couple you thought was perfect and super aspirational. They had the perfect life and you just never know. And of course, I'm not saying that couples that appear to be perfect all have this going on behind closed doors, but it's just a reminder, I think, of like people who really appear to have the perfect relationship, perfect life, perfect family, sometimes don't.

• 10:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 10:14Ashley Hesseltine?

  Speaking of a couple that did not appear to have the perfect life that everyone saw coming, the divorce that surprised no one.

• 10:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Kyle and Amanda from Summer House.

• 10:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 10:24Rayna Greenberg?

  So they released a joint Instagram story yesterday. After much reflection, we have mutually and amicably decided to part ways as a couple. We share this with a heavy heart. I mean, you guys, this is just like spit out AI generated same divorce.

• 10:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. If I read after much reflection one more time, like I, you know, I have such a problem with like the canned divorce announcements and I do understand, I do understand you want to use the right language and you want to PR it up, but Amanda Batula of all people should have been like, I'm sure this is no surprise. I'm sure this comes as no surprise that Kyle and I are getting divorced. Wasn't the real divorce announcement, his DJ tour poster? I think when he announced his DJ tour, we could have seen this coming. Like, and if you guys aren't familiar, the Summer House on Bravo, this is the OG couple pretty much from the show and they have been rocky since day one. Like you want to root for them, but it's hard. There are so much toxicity.

• 11:18Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I mean, listen, I hate to see anybody's relationship end, maybe except for this one. I just, I think that everybody deserves better. I think people, I've watched him, I hesitate to use the words like verbally abuse somebody. I've watched him yell and scream at her and embarrass her and treat her poorly on national television for a decade, cheat on her publicly, scream in her face, embarrass her, not come home at night. Like you've just watched this for so many years and it's like, we all deserve to just feel better. We all deserve to feel respected by our partners and I don't know. I, I really have a lot of empathy for what it must be like to be so tied to your partner professionally, financially, publicly. Like I'm not a Tom Sandoval apologist by any means,

• 12:01Rayna Greenberg?

  but I understand why that relationship was really hard to end with him and Ariana. It's just like, you are the couple of the show. This ends and like now what? What do we do professionally? Like what do we do in interviews? Are we going to do the Summer House show now? Like financially, am I going to be okay? I understand your whole life is tied up in this person, but like. He just seemed, this, this whole relationship seemed bad all the time and everybody deserves better than this.

• 12:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, they were poorly matched. I think the general consensus is this couple never should have gotten married just because they had so many problems going into it. And I can understand why it was so hard to split, not only the show, but also Loverboy. His drink, his like alcoholic beverage, if you guys aren't familiar, like she worked on it, she's part of it, you know, they were so tied together. And the overwhelming response to the divorce that I've seen, at least on my side of the internet, is support for her and feeling like she can finally break free, she has a swimwear line. It does feel like it's the right time, she's young and they never had kids and you love to see it. I mean, they, they struggled with it. You don't love to see that they couldn't conceive.

• 13:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Again, it's been a struggle, but like when they're, a couple is able to separate like this and not have kids in the mix and start the second phase of their life with hopefully better partners and start a family if that's what they want, of course.

• 13:23Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I know we only see like bits and pieces of their relationships and you and I know more than anybody how much TV stuff can be cut up and put in different places and it can look like people are having a fight about one thing and they're really not, things have escalated and maybe, you know, maybe they had three fights in a whole summer and those are the only things that they focus on, I don't know. But this relationship looked so toxic and vile for so many years and everybody deserves better than this. And even, I mean, I'm, I'm assuming they've been split up for quite some time. I mean, the interviews at BravoCon were pretty hard to watch.

• 13:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think they've been living separately for a while.

• 13:55Rayna Greenberg?

  And like, I was relooking at them this morning, some interviews at BravoCon and people were asking her, like, people say that you guys are split now, what do you say that? And she was like, I don't know, it's obvious we have problems, we've always had problems. Like, she wasn't even pretending at that point. I think she's just fucking done with this.

• 14:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  But that's why I would have wanted a zestier divorce announcement.

• 14:14Rayna Greenberg?

  The other day, what did you say yesterday, Mel? I'm sorry. It should come as no surprise to anyone.

• 14:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  It should come as no surprise. Like, please, someone, give us a divorce announcement that, like, it should come as no surprise. That's so iconic.

• 14:26Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I can't believe how people time this. And I know that it's like, probably not on purpose, but like, Jackson and Britney announced their divorce like, the week before The Valley premiered. Lindsay Hubbard, her pregnancy, she timed that pregnancy so she could be at Summer House that summer.

• 14:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I wanted to talk to you about this. So the show is starting back up for season, what, I don't know, whatever, in like, February 3rd. And I'm sure there are lots of reasons. I mean, I guess just them in the news with the divorce announcement, but also, there's got to be part of it that's like, they cannot deal with another full season of people watching them and saying they should break up and how terrible of a couple they are. And they haven't said it. Like, I think if I were her, and I'm thinking of this as just a human, not a celebrity, I'm like, I cannot deal with being broken up with this man and hiding it and having all the commentary for however many months of people saying, "We should break up when we're already broke up." Like, we have to rip the Band-Aid off.

• 15:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I think they're also gonna go into a huge press cycle to premiere.

• 15:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  And they can't just fake it anymore. I mean, they were faking it at BravoCon, is what it felt like.

• 15:32Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. But it felt really contentious at BravoCon. Like, they weren't even attempting to pretend. And I don't blame them. I mean, if, I don't know, I don't, I don't want to be like, he's so terrible. I wasn't in that relationship, but it seems like he wants to run around, be a DJ, and drink, and stay out all night long. And you're entitled to do that. You just can't have a partner.

• 15:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I mean, they, I'll give them a little grace. I mean, they definitely grew up, like, over the years. And it's, every season, it felt a little less toxic. You really just started to see the contempt, specifically her towards him. And you were just like, she doesn't like him. And for me, I would never be with somebody that gets that drunk and parties at this age. I mean, it, he runs around, he wants to live his life like a much younger person, and that is not my preference. And it gets old. And that's not who you want to start a family with. So if he wants to party and be a DJ, let him cook.

• 16:27Rayna Greenberg?

  Like Kyle Cook.

• 16:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  That's the tour name.

• 16:29Rayna Greenberg?

  Let Kyle Cook.

• 16:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Let him cook is the tour.

• 16:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's a great name.

• 16:38Rayna Greenberg?

  The whole area.

• 16:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's the perfect name. Did you see the tour poster?

• 16:42Rayna Greenberg?

  No, let Kyle cook is funny also.

• 16:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Like, like, wait, is it like?

• 16:46Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't know. I like that too.

• 16:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, hold on, hold on. No, it is, it's let him cook tour, but with the, his cook spelled like his last name with the E.

• 16:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wait, these are so funny, right? Like, he's doing, he's doing marquee in March in Vegas. He's doing Orlando, Kansas City. You should meet up on one of these tour dates. See if any align with your tour date.

• 17:13Rayna Greenberg?

  I, I think that this is the, the case with a lot of these guys on Bravo. They want to Peter Pan through life forever until the end of time. I think he knows he found this woman who is so beautiful and kind and smart and cool. And everybody loves her. And he's like, I can't, I can't let go of this. Like, he just happened to find somebody unlike Shep or Austin from Southern Charm. Like, but he does seem like somebody that wants to just Peter Pan his way through life. And you can go do that, but you don't get to drag somebody through the fucking mud with you.

• 17:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and you really have watched her grow and come into her own on the show. And I think that's why people are rooting for her so hard. Like, she really just stopped being Kyle's wife and now she has her swimwear line. And you could tell she just, she was so hesitant to really put herself out there and she did it and.

• 17:57Rayna Greenberg?

  We saw her swimsuits at Southman Under.

• 17:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Southman Under was like her number one store where that she launched in. So anyway, uh, you know, good, good for them and we will be watching this season.

• 18:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, one more thing I have to tell you. So I saw this, this clip that they like resurfaced this morning of her on Jason Tardik's show. And she's talking about how she did not, prior to, it was right after she married Kyle and she didn't send a prenup. And she was saying back then, I don't believe in prenups. They, this is not like romantic. I don't like this idea that you would break up. And then fast forward to now, I saw another more recent interview where she was like, everybody needs a prenup. Get a prenup.

• 18:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  I saw that.

• 18:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Under all, under every circumstances, get a prenup. Don't let somebody, protect yourself, protect your partner.

• 18:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  That couple, if anyone should have had a prenup. And by the way, prenups, we, we talked about them, hello, prenup.com, you guys, code GG. Um, are not romantic. And then no one likes the idea that you would break up. But like that's you still need a like.

• 18:54Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, well, I mean, I don't I don't have health insurance thinking I'm gonna get cancer, but God forbid.

• 19:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Totally.

• 19:01Rayna Greenberg?

  So anyways, all right, well, good luck to everybody.

• 19:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so not really a divorce, but maybe, maybe someone divorcing his parents, the Beckham. Family drama.

• 19:13Rayna Greenberg?

  So this has been going on for years. If you guys are just, if you're not involved, obviously Brooklyn Beckham, Brooklyn Pelz Beckham. Is the son of Victoria, David Beckham, and he married Nicola Pelz. And she is the daughter of this billionaire. He's a hedge fund guy. He's involved in a bunch of different companies, but there has been a lot of like, public discourse between this family of like, what's going on with Brooklyn and Nicola? And the parents and Victoria Beckham allegedly not liking Nicola and all these issues back and forth. And you've seen in the news for the last couple of years. The siblings kind of like going back and forth a little bit.

• 19:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Is there just two sons?

• 19:49Rayna Greenberg?

  There's three sons and one daughter.

• 19:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, there's that many kids?

• 19:53Rayna Greenberg?

  I just don't care about this. I care now, but it's been hard for me to care about this family and not that I, for no reason, and it's just, you can't care about everything.

• 20:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  And I've not been in the loop with what's going on. But anyway, they have plenty of other kids.

• 20:06Rayna Greenberg?

  You mean like if they can't lose one?

• 20:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, cuz like all this was going down Instagram and they were promoting Cruz's show or whatever. Like they were promoting their other kids like stuff. It was like a very funny like dichotomy. But anyway, okay.

• 20:19Rayna Greenberg?

  So they have, they have four kids. There's three boys. The daughter, I think, is the youngest. Brooklyn is the oldest. They are like a European royal family. Soccer star. Obviously, we don't care about that as much in America. I mean, they're, they're friends with like the royal family.

• 20:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 20:34Rayna Greenberg?

  They're the most famous people. They're like, they're friends with like Elton John and, you know, the royal family.

• 20:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 20:40Rayna Greenberg?

  They're so wildly famous and there's just been so much speculation about the different kids' partners and how they interact with the family. And Brooklyn Beckham has really never said anything publicly, definitively, that he has a problem with his family. And he broke his silence yesterday in a five Instagram story, black, black background, white writings. You know, it's serious. Spilled so much tea. I've never seen anything like it in my, truly my whole life.

• 21:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it's like he's been bubbling over and he's like, I am finally ready to drag my family. And. I like the comments that are like, this is above my pay grade. Like Blake Lee Thornton called this white nonsense. You know, like at the end of the day, this is like rich, super rich family. The kid is popping off, you know, like you see both sides of it being like ungrateful nepo baby. And you also see he is allowed to feel like this about these parents that it's, this is probably not all lies. Certainly, you know, he said a lot of things like there is really good kind of deep things that were basically like, you don't earn love in my family unless you like promote the family on social media kind of stuff. And everything's for show.

• 21:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then there was these very specific instances, which I just couldn't get enough of like what happened at their wedding, him and Nicola's wedding.

• 21:56Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean, I think the general response I've seen from most people is like, the world is on fire. We don't have time for y'all. Like we have others up, but I mean, I'm still entertained by this and.

• 22:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's entertainment. I don't subscribe to that.

• 22:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. I mean, and also no matter how rich and successful you are, yes, I know it eliminates a lot of problems in your life day to day that people do not have to deal with if they don't have your level of income. But it does seem like somebody who feels really traumatized by having grown up in this family and what has gone on publicly. And that love is traded in currency with how much you like adhere to the family and post on social media and publicly act like you guys are this perfect unit. And I understand him feeling a little traumatized by it and that they're humiliating his wife publicly. I mean, I get it. I get feeling like this.

• 22:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So let's talk about some specifics. If you guys like are, haven't read it all, but I highly recommend you go find it. I mean, I screenshot them all. They stayed up. He didn't take them down. And they were on shit. You should care about is an Instagram account that has them all. But the wedding stuff was just tea on tea. So he said that his mom, Victoria Beckham, canceled his wife's dress in the 11th hour, forcing her to find a new dress the day before the wedding, like canceled the dress. If that is true, that is like monstrous.

• 23:14Rayna Greenberg?

  That is diabolical.

• 23:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  And then the other thing that I think stuck out the most is they've, they've, they've said they were adamant. On him signing away his name, basically. And at the wedding, he said, his mom hijacked the first dance, which had been planned weeks in advance. And he said, in front of our 500 wedding guests, Mark Anthony called me to the stage wherein the schedule was planned to be my romantic first dance with my wife. But instead, my mom was waiting to dance with me instead. She danced very inappropriately on me in front of everyone. I've never felt more uncomfortable or humiliated in my entire life. And I guess then we saw.

• 23:51Rayna Greenberg?

  I want to see this video. So I've never wanted a video more in my entire.

• 23:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  We need a documentary on this. Someone on Dumas sent in a blind end when they were there and Nicola ran out in tears. But like, I'm sorry, was Victoria Beckham literally like.

• 24:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Was she grinding?

• 24:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  She was grinding on her son, hijacked. Mark Anthony is there. Like, what is actually happening? Like, again, this is above my pay grade. I do never want to be in those circles with people like of that status and wealth. I have no, I have no interest.

• 24:19Rayna Greenberg?

  I just, I'm trying to understand like what happened here because like, what do you mean inappropriate? Was your mom like grinding on you to a Mark Anthony song? Your bride ran out crying? I don't, it's just so insane that somebody would dance with their mom is like a first dance. People dance with their dad. Is the dad the first dance? Or you dance, you dance with your partner for the first dance? The father daughter dance is when?

• 24:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  You typically go in, you dance with your partner first and then it's a father, daughter and a mother, son.

• 24:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Can you see yourself, if Shashank had wanted to dance with his mom first, would you have run out of your own wedding crying?

• 24:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  No, I would have went up to the DJ. Mike, cut the music.

• 24:58Rayna Greenberg?

  This is not happening.

• 25:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Excuse me, Mark Anthony, could you cut the music?

• 25:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Mark, yeah, Michael Larry, Mark Anthony, same thing.

• 25:09Rayna Greenberg?

  I've never wanted to see a video more in my whole life. I want, and this is just all these like very. I mean, you can see, this is so much like celebrities are just like us, the mom and the bride fighting and they're trying to like vie for like number one spot in the son's life and like the mom pulls the dress at the last minute and she's like fucking with everybody. Like the way that my whole family acted during my brother's wedding was so crazy. And so like, it brings out the most psychotic versions of everybody and what they think they they are owed and what they deserve. My psychotic stepmom yelling at everybody. I, it's just, it's so crazy to imagine people of this level of like wealth.

• 25:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  I know. British people? And British people, yes.

• 25:50Rayna Greenberg?

  It's giving Americans.

• 25:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  That show, The Girlfriend, if you guys watch that, this is like, if you're, if you, if you're looking for more, if you're looking for us, more content like this, check out The Girlfriend.

• 25:58Rayna Greenberg?

  I love that show.

• 25:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  I want to know who paid for the wedding, so.

• 26:01Rayna Greenberg?

  I know who paid for the wedding.

• 26:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 26:04Rayna Greenberg?

  So there was articles back then, I don't know if this is necessarily true, but there was art, she comes from a billionaire family.

• 26:09Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I want to jump in. The Pelts family is richer than the Beckham family significantly. So we're talking multi, multimillionaire, hundred millionaire family versus billionaire family. And so there's certainly a narrative that he's like, fuck my family. He took her name. So they share the same surname. So they're both Pelts Beckham, which I don't have a problem with. I think that's fine. And then you're, the whole family is the same name, whatever. But I think it's very funny that he's like, fuck my millionaire family. I'm going to take the name of this billionaire family and be with them. Like, that's like a funny thing.

• 26:39Rayna Greenberg?

  I, I saw, I mean, I guess all speculation, but around the time of the wedding that like the Beckhams wanted to help pay for stuff and the Pelts were like, we don't need y'all's money.

• 26:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  We don't need your millionaire dollars.

• 26:49Rayna Greenberg?

  And then maybe like Victoria Beckham was like, well, I'll contribute by doing the dress. And then she was like, never mind, I don't need to do this.

• 26:54Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wait, I have died in thinking about this, that like what Victoria Beckham went behind their back and booked Marc Anthony. Like Marc Anthony was like hiding in the wings and they were like, the first dance, Marc Anthony comes out, like the Pelts don't know that he was there. Like, I'm just picturing that type of drama.

• 27:09Rayna Greenberg?

  There are a level of like fame and power that's like inconceivable, but not really in America.

• 27:15Ashley Hesseltine?

  I'm really getting off on the Beckhams being like, we want to contribute. And they're like, save your money. We don't need your, we don't need your money.

• 27:22Rayna Greenberg?

  They could do a hundred million dollar wedding, it would matter to them.

• 27:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 27:26Rayna Greenberg?

  But you don't really see people be this public, so I'm assuming that this will be a developing story and the Beckhams will respond.

• 27:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, have they yet? So I saw an interview with David Beckham, but I don't think it was like this morning.

• 27:38Rayna Greenberg?

  I think they ambushed him coming out of something.

• 27:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, there was, I saw an interview with him that about like, you know, kids are gonna fuck up and post stuff on social media, but I think it was an older interview. I don't think they have responded. Let me just check Victoria Beckham's Instagram story, because I'm just, when she was posting about Cruz, it was prior to the onslaught from Brooklyn, but let me just check it on her. Okay, she has no story posted. I mean, they're, they're really in damage control mode, obviously. I don't think this does much to their legacy or their fortune. I don't know. I think like-

• 28:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Their fortune, no.

• 28:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Rich, famous people are fucked up and that's, they always will be and they're gonna have family drama, but you just don't see someone expose their family like this.

• 28:19Rayna Greenberg?

  People have been knowing how fucked up they are, by the way, so this isn't like, oh my God, I thought they had a perfect family. This has been years of this.

• 28:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 28:25Rayna Greenberg?

  I wonder if their response is gonna be a very like British couth, just like, we're very disappointed in his feelings and we will deal with this privately.

• 28:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Privately, yeah, and a hundred percent. If anything, it will be after a lot of reflection.

• 28:41Rayna Greenberg?

  We'll ask Amanda Tull to write it for them.

• 28:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  Gone rid of our son. We have three other kids. They rank their kids.

• 28:46Rayna Greenberg?

  You have four kids.

• 28:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, yeah. One wants to just go be with the richer family, just-

• 28:51Rayna Greenberg?

  Go.

• 28:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Set him free. Okay, so that was, that's your Instagram story report. That's what it should have been.

• 29:01Rayna Greenberg?

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• 29:43Rayna Greenberg?

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• 30:18Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, it's really great. The app is great. I mean, I have been using Shopify. I used it for my very first merch business back in 2014. We're about to talk about 2016, but I've just used it for so many years. It just gets better and better with new technology and AI and everything. And it's so wonderful. We don't know any businesses that aren't on Shopify.

• 30:34Rayna Greenberg?

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• 30:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so this 2016 trend swept social media and it was basically just posting, like, I mean, I did it. My caption was, did someone say 2016? You know, basically I heard we're running it back to 2016 and you would post a collection of photos. And I think it started technically with like a TikTok filter because there was a vibe about that time, just like the way things kind of felt.

• 31:06Rayna Greenberg?

  That blue pretty filter, yes.

• 31:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, just like there was like, yeah, a kind of an aesthetic. It wasn't like, I mean, this is only 10 years ago. This wasn't like 2006.

• 31:14Rayna Greenberg?

  All my photos had that blue pretty filter, don't you think?

• 31:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Um, I mean, I just.

• 31:18Rayna Greenberg?

  I had to really wean myself off of that. People had to have talked with me about it.

• 31:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, people, everything kind of had like a bluish, hazy hue to it. You know, this was like Snapchat filters, flower crown, dog filter days, you know, like that's when it all kind of started. But I think then whether you saw that filter or not, people just took it and ran with it. And like, obviously 2026 is a dumpster fire and like, let's take it back to 2016. And I love doing the trend and my lead photo was me at a Bernie Sanders rally. I feel like it's one of my biggest flexes. I was a Bernie girl back in 2016. I wish what could have been. And then obviously I was a Hillary supporter when she got the nomination. I think it's like an interesting year because it was the year everything changed for

• 32:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  the worse. I mean, it really was like when Donald Trump ran and won the election that year, that was the beginning of all of this. That was the beginning of the dismantling of our democracy and all of the normalizing of all the hate and the violence. And that's when it started. But before that, it was like so hopeful. You know, I mean, we were dealing with his shit and you're starting to realize like people you're hanging out with aren't seeing what you're seeing, you know, but it was like, we might have a female president and the vibes were high. And I just think it was like such a roller coaster, but it was Beyonce Lemonade and it was the Chainsmokers and I don't know, the music

• 32:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  was so good. And it was, I don't know, it was a very, it was a transformational year for me. That's when I left Atlanta after 11 years and decided to move to New York and I broke up, I got out of this toxic relationship and like, that was probably my most transformational year of my life.

• 33:00Rayna Greenberg?

  To me, and what I've read so much is that like, social media was just very different back then. And I mean, not, not political at all, but like, social media is always going to be performative. It has been since day one. It's always been, look at me, look what I have, look how great my life is. But it felt less heavily produced 10 years ago. There was less FaceTune. There was just as many filters, probably. I just, it felt a little more authentic. It felt a little less ramming down your throat, look where I am, look what I did, look what I have, look at my relationship. It just was a lighter time. And so it was before TikTok. It was before, I mean, I hate to be like, so like, I'm so old now, but like, I feel that a lot of things have been ruined by TikTok. I mean, you can't go anywhere in the West Village, any day of the week now in New York City, without waiting in line for an hour and 20 minutes to get a bagel, or a bubble tea,

• 33:45Rayna Greenberg?

  or a sandwich. And it's just like, it was better times. I just enjoyed being able to like, have access to like, Travel and enjoy things in like cities that I really liked without waiting in line for four hours to have this like mediocre thing because people had to put it on TikTok. Like I, it does age me to say these things. It just, I had a different relationship to social media 10 years ago, which just felt a little bit like it hadn't ruined the world yet.

• 34:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, that, I mean, that's an interesting take, obviously, because like it's also blown businesses up and you see so much good out of it. But though, so many things changed. Yeah, like travel wise, that's interesting because when I started going to the Hamptons in 2017 and 2018, like Montauk was totally different than it would be in like 20 now. You know, it's like the club. It's like bottle service on the bay. You know, like it's just things change. Like social media changed a lot of things for the worse in that way too. But yeah, it, it felt less all about influencers, all about consumerism. Obviously, we didn't have AI like we do now. And so it did feel more authentic and you know, what we, what we would feed post. I mean, also you and I didn't have this platform. And so I was still a quote unquote influencer. But when my, when I did the trend, I was like,

• 34:51Ashley Hesseltine?

  everything I posted, like these were feed posts. Like I just fucking sent it. And I think 2016 might've been when the Instagram story started in those, in that span of time.

• 35:01Rayna Greenberg?

  I was talking about earlier, when I said, we'll talk about the 2016 trend earlier. I do think Instagram stories started around 2015.

• 35:07Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. So it was just like, we would just, if we had something to put on Instagram, you'd have feed posted.

• 35:12Rayna Greenberg?

  And I hate to like lean into this, like back in the day, it used to be better because every 10 years, everybody's going to look back and be like, those were better times. I'm sure 2016 had a million dumpster fire moments. I'm sure there was a ton of terrible things going on back then and people were upset. People felt like, I see all this stuff online that I can't have, I can't afford, and that feels bad. But, and I, I do think to your point, you know, it's a net positive. It promotes businesses. It helps people grow. It's given all these people careers, you know, that would have had to previously do other things. I think all these people were able to print money as influencers. I think that's a good thing. But it just felt like a different time on social media.

• 35:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  I mean, shit is so bleak right now, you know, like we still had a democracy then. I mean, you're taking it from like a social media angle. I'm taking it from a political angle, but I think in general it was lighter. And yes, a ton of terrible things happened in 2016, like they happen every year. I saw this think piece, think pieces ruin everything. Like, can we just enjoy something for five fucking minutes? But it was just like, the vibes were, all this stuff happened. It's like, all that stuff happens every year. Can you just like let us live? And then I saw one other thing that was like, Everybody's talking about 2016, but what about some love for 2018? Put respect on 2018's name. I was like, is this rage?

• 36:16Rayna Greenberg?

  We'll do that in 2028. I just, I didn't really understand the think pieces about this. I was like, can't we just enjoy that people are posting these ugly photos of their skinny jeans and their no eyebrows and their bad haircut?

• 36:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was like, is this rage bait? We'll do 2018 in two years.

• 36:31Rayna Greenberg?

  We'll do it soon. Well, 2018 will have its turn.

• 36:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, one thing I never did in 2016 that I have really seen is that skinny black choker. I feel like you'd probably did that.

• 36:42Rayna Greenberg?

  Fuck, yeah.

• 36:42Ashley Hesseltine?

  I never did it.

• 36:43Rayna Greenberg?

  What?

• 36:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know what, like, how I missed that.

• 36:46Rayna Greenberg?

  I had like-

• 36:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Was I just in the South?

• 36:47Rayna Greenberg?

  Actually, I had like eight sizes. I had like a whole, like, piece of paper that had like every size of like thickness of black velvet choker.

• 36:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, like, I don't know how this passed me by, like, cause Kristin Cavallari posted it.

• 37:00Rayna Greenberg?

  Like, hell, yeah.

• 37:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  Everyone was in these chokers.

• 37:02Rayna Greenberg?

  I think I want to bring chokers back.

• 37:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  I think I was just in the South. Like, we were doing something different.

• 37:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I felt like so naughty and like spicy. I was like, ooh, I'm bringing my choker out tonight.

• 37:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  I was always in a fur vest.

• 37:15Rayna Greenberg?

  Was that 2016?

• 37:16Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 37:16Rayna Greenberg?

  I, yeah, I fucked with fur. I still fuck with a fur vest. Still think they're kind of cute. But I think we always will look back in the past and be like, it was easier times. I don't know. I'm sure there was terrible things happening then also. I don't remember 10 years ago feeling as triggered by people online. Like, today I will actively like block, not block, but I will actively mute people and follow people that just make me feel a certain way about myself and my life and my body and my relationship status and things like that. And I don't remember feeling as triggered by what other people have 10 years ago. Today, it feels like it is an avalanche of like, buy this thing I have. Here's this link. Do this thing I get to do.

• 37:53Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah. I mean, there's so many different things that felt different back then. I mean, we were different people too, but the normalizing of like the vitriol that people spew on social media has just gotten worse with every year. You know, I'm not saying that didn't exist before Trump, but it just became much more acceptable and the division really became so much more glaring. And just that was the beginning of the end, you know? And I, we talk about this, we don't need to deep dive on this, but it just was like, that was the year when everything changed and- A lot of people saw the writing on the wall, but I still, we can still look back and celebrate and I love nostalgia more than anyone. And so I really did like

• 38:34Rayna Greenberg?

  You are very senti.

• 38:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  I did like the trend and I liked remembering like, that's the first time I started caring about politics. Also, I think a lot of people felt that way. Of course I voted, I loved Obama, all that, but caring where you're like, oh my God, we have to like, really step up. So this terrible thing doesn't happen. And I never went to a political rally before the Bernie rally and I just really got involved. So there's a ton of things that happened. It was, I think it was a really transformational year and I support the trend.

• 39:01Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah, I didn't post anything. Maybe I will once this episode drops.

• 39:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  Post your chokers.

• 39:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I'll do an Instagram story.

• 39:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 39:06Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, okay. Thank God. I've been filming at the mouth to talk about this. Tell Me Lies, season three is out. Episode four came out two days ago. I'm having a roller coaster with this season. I mean, it is one of my favorite shows of all time. I loved the book. I was so excited for this season. It has taken a bit of a turn this season. It is so dark. And the first two seasons, yes, they were heavy. Obviously Steven killed somebody, but it felt-

• 39:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  You always forget that.

• 39:32Rayna Greenberg?

  You do, you just forget. It felt a little lighter. There was more sex scenes.

• 39:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, right. Yeah.

• 39:37Rayna Greenberg?

  I think it has progressively gotten darker. I mean, you have this relationship between Bree and this teacher last season, which I mean, he really is a predator.

• 39:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, like, not that he wasn't before. He was grooming her and everything, but now you're like, oh, he's really, this isn't a one-off. He's going after freshmen, you know, like barely legal.

• 39:57Rayna Greenberg?

  And his wife, who's a professor, sanctions this.

• 39:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, exactly. So they're both really predatory. And so that's, that, you know, you hate to see it.

• 40:04Rayna Greenberg?

  This season, I don't know. It's just, I used to really enjoy like the really, the toxicity between Steven and Lucy and like, who's gonna do what to who next? And it's gotten like so sick and dark. And there's been a lot of talk. I've seen people being like, well, Lucy's just as bad as him. And I don't, I don't feel that way at all. I think he seems like a really dangerous individual. She seems like just a really lost kid.

• 40:28Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, she is- Making terrible decisions. She can't get out of her own way, but she is not the same. He is like a mentally ill psychopath who will like stop at nothing to get revenge on someone, much like our president, the same. So if you're watching him, you see the correlation. But I find it like hard to watch and I also don't think he's hot. So that's even harder for me. Like I think he looks like a penis. I hate his haircut. And you, I can't believe you think he's hot. You guys have to be in these comments. Please God, let us know. I find him repulsive as a, because of his character, I really hate, it's not like dragging this actor's looks,

• 41:10Ashley Hesseltine?

  but I actually don't find him attractive and with the character too. I find him really hard to watch on screen and it would be a little bit more palatable for me if he was hotter to me.

• 41:21Rayna Greenberg?

  I think he is the appropriate level of good looking for the show because I don't think he is an objectively gorgeous, Wrigley is supposed to be like this really sexy.

• 41:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  He looks great this season.

• 41:31Rayna Greenberg?

  I mean Evan.

• 41:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Evan too. Evan and Wrigley.

• 41:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Both of them are so beautiful, but like.

• 41:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's gotten so hot.

• 41:36Rayna Greenberg?

  I think that like, I really enjoyed the sex scenes with Steven and the push and pull of the toxicity. And you know, I think we can all relate to these really toxic, not that level, toxic relationships when we're really young and you make crazy decisions for a guy that's like so bad for you. And I just, I liked the push and pull, but when.

• 41:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  So spoilers ahead.

• 41:53Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah. Okay. So in the third episode, when he films her confessing to faking this rape, it's so sick and dark. It's, the show took a different tone to me after that.

• 42:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Scene, I, that's what I've seen online is this crossed a line and that's okay. Whatever they want to do. I mean, there's always been, there is a theme of rape throughout. There's murder. I mean, there's, there are all these dark themes, but. That felt so depraved, like they really ramped it up. And episode four, I was like, they're not going to continue on that road. I think they know a lot of people can't stomach that. So I think that was probably the sickest scene we'll see. And it'll go from there. And then obviously, when he releases the tape at whatever point, like we will see that story arc. But like, I was watching it, like, I can't take much more of this. It's hard for me to watch. It doesn't, it makes me feel bad.

• 42:44Rayna Greenberg?

  Season, episode four brought me back.

• 42:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 42:46Rayna Greenberg?

  So what I like about this season is that like Lucy and Steven are almost like secondary characters. They are the through line and they're like the, they're the purpose for a lot of things. But like, Bree has really like pulled ahead as one of the main characters and Pippa. And I'm like really enjoying watching like Pippa's story. And Diana is like, she's my favorite watch of this season. And I didn't know they were going to give her such like main character energy. I am, when they, when she opened her book and there was a pregnancy test, I was like, what is this gonna be? I love, she's gonna have a kid with Steven, it's so fucking stupid. This girl who's 21 years old, is supposed to go to law school. And that, I just, I love her energy about it. She's like, I'm gonna have this, this is gonna be the best day of my life.

• 43:25Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, she was loose lipped about it though. She was telling every, I mean, she talks about it in such a casual way. It was like, once she was telling Molly, I was like, oh no, girl.

• 43:33Rayna Greenberg?

  Just in the hallway?

• 43:34Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's getting back to everybody.

• 43:36Rayna Greenberg?

  But like, I think having an abortion, everybody digested differently. I think a 21 year old college student who is pregnant by a sociopath, that's not a child you bring into the world. I like the energy of like, I'm gonna, you're a terrible person and I'm gonna enjoy taking care of this.

• 43:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  But, and of course, and obviously, we support abortion and women's decisions, but like, why, how were you not doubling up on birth control fucking Steven? Truly, how could you not? I'm not, I'm just like Diana, like, I would have been IUD pill and condom with that man.

• 44:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Diaphragm.

• 44:12Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes, like all the things.

• 44:13Rayna Greenberg?

  And I love the storyline of Diana and Pippa. I just like, I really feel for Pippa. They probably like grew up feeling really different and like she wasn't like her peers. And she's this like really transformative sexual experience with a woman finally. I'm just like, I'm so into it. I'm so into like Wrigley being in love with Bree. I know. I love it.

• 44:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Bree's haircut was a choice. What are we doing? What is this like? Mom, no offense to the moms, you guys know what I'm saying. It's giving like parody mom sketch on SNL haircut. Like it's giving like Karen wig. Can I speak to a manager? I don't understand. It is

• 44:49Rayna Greenberg?

  It looks like a joke.

• 44:50Ashley Hesseltine?

  It looks like a joke. It's growing out in the weirdest way. Like it is so bad. Like I can't, the choi- that choice is so crazy.

• 44:57Rayna Greenberg?

  Why did they make her do that?

• 44:59Ashley Hesseltine?

  I don't know.

• 44:59Rayna Greenberg?

  It's like Miranda on Sex and the City. Why did they do that to her?

• 45:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Miranda always had short hair. Like, I see what you're saying, but

• 45:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I'm rewatching Sex and the City right now, so I'm just mad about Miranda right now.

• 45:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I don't know. I think Miranda could pull it off. She was always gonna have a short cut, but

• 45:11Rayna Greenberg?

  You gotta go back to first season. It was crazy.

• 45:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  But Brie's hair is too thick for that cut.

• 45:16Rayna Greenberg?

  It does look like a helmet.

• 45:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's giving helmet. It's getting, she's, it looks like the kind, like, I don't wanna see when you would wake up with a haircut like that. Like Miranda had fine hair, like it laid right. Like, Brie's hair is always looking like she just woke up.

• 45:32Rayna Greenberg?

  It's not good.

• 45:33Ashley Hesseltine?

  It's not good.

• 45:33Rayna Greenberg?

  No, I listened. I was alive back then, and no one had haircut like that. Okay, so do you have any predictions for the season?

• 45:39Ashley Hesseltine?

  Um, obviously, we're gonna see this Brie and Wrigley storyline play out. I am dying to see how they don't work out. Like, I'm dying to see how, like, they clearly have a thing. They're at her wedding, and they're gazing at each other across the dance floor. So I'm curious how that happens, and then it goes into Evan, because it's, Pippa doesn't even like him anymore, you know? So that, she wasn't the one standing in the way. So I'm very curious what happens there. And like, he is gonna release this tape, and they said this one point, was it present day? Like, whatever Pippa said to Lucy, she said, "He ruined your life sophomore year," or whatever. Like, this has been foreshadowing that it's going to be the worst we've seen in terms of whatever Steven

• 46:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  does to Lucy. And when I'm watching this, I just have to tell myself, like, it's okay. We've seen them in 2015. They're at a wedding.

• 46:31Rayna Greenberg?

  They have sex.

• 46:31Ashley Hesseltine?

  Everything's fine. Oh, god, no. I know. But like, everything's, everyone's alive and well.

• 46:36Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 46:36Ashley Hesseltine?

  And Lucy, she got through it, you know? But this is, I think it's gonna be so dark, and obviously, we can see why.

• 46:43Rayna Greenberg?

  She should go back to the Earl of Max.

• 46:45Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 46:45Rayna Greenberg?

  Yeah.

• 46:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 46:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Really, the web of lies is kinda crazy. She's now lied to all these people that she got assaulted. She's lied to Brie about it. So you're thinking, like, there's gonna be this crazy watershed moment. Like, how does this happen? And like, the first season, I think Wrigley, in like, the first episode of the first season, says, "I think it's time for me to let go of this crush that I had."

• 47:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and you think it's about Pippa.

• 47:04Rayna Greenberg?

  I've al- I always thought it was about Brie.

• 47:06Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, you have?

• 47:07Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes.

• 47:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, interesting.

• 47:09Rayna Greenberg?

  For weeks, for weeks, I've thought, not always, not my, not my whole life. But I said weeks ago that I think that it's gonna be about Bree. Cause you wouldn't say this 10 year crush about somebody that you actually

• 47:19Ashley Hesseltine?

  You dated, that's true, that's fair.

• 47:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, so I don't know, we won't, we won't deep dive every single week. We'll probably wait until the finale, but um, I, I'm back in.

• 47:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  So there are people that are dating on the show, which we find really fascinating. So Steven and Lucy, Grace Van Patten and whatever the fuck Steven's name is.

• 47:34Rayna Greenberg?

  Jackson White.

• 47:35Ashley Hesseltine?

  Jackson White.

• 47:35Rayna Greenberg?

  And this will be the last couple that, whose name I know.

• 47:37Ashley Hesseltine?

  Are a couple and Evan and Molly.

• 47:41Rayna Greenberg?

  Real couple.

• 47:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  A real couple and.

• 47:43Rayna Greenberg?

  Wrigley and Peppa.

• 47:44Ashley Hesseltine?

  Wrigley and Peppa are a real couple.

• 47:46Rayna Greenberg?

  And Oliver and the show's creator, real couple.

• 47:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, so Megan Oppenheimer, who has adapted the book to TV, Oliver, whoever the actor is, her husband and like, I don't think he was supposed to continue. I think that's what they were saying, that he was only supposed to be in one season.

• 48:00Rayna Greenberg?

  They announced after season two that he was not coming back.

• 48:02Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, and so I think she was like, I don't know, I like having my husband around, like keeping him working. She's like, I'm gonna keep on the payroll.

• 48:07Rayna Greenberg?

  This is so interesting, and then we will move on from this, but um, so Iris Appetel, who play, who's Judd Appetel's daughter.

• 48:13Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 48:13Rayna Greenberg?

  Um, who plays the student that Oliver's having his new affair with. Obviously, her sister is Maude Appetel, who's on Euphoria.

• 48:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yes.

• 48:21Rayna Greenberg?

  Grace Van Patten's sister is also on Euphoria.

• 48:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, that's an interesting connection.

• 48:25Rayna Greenberg?

  And that brings us to headlines. So Euphoria season three trailer came out, it broke records with 100 million views in two days. I mean, I think people have just been really edging for this. They really want it. Yes, so the last season, the season two finale was in 2022.

• 48:40Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 48:40Rayna Greenberg?

  So people have been waiting for this. I am sat for this season, I'm really excited to start it, I truly can't wait. So it premieres April 12th, we'll.

• 48:48Ashley Hesseltine?

  You've never watched it.

• 48:49Rayna Greenberg?

  I never watched it and I really, we're so far in the future in the show that like, I don't, I don't really feel the need to go back. I'm just jumping into season three.

• 48:57Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, you're saying it like you've been watching it.

• 48:58Rayna Greenberg?

  Oh, I'm, no, no, no.

• 49:00Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're starting it.

• 49:00Rayna Greenberg?

  You guys know.

• 49:01Ashley Hesseltine?

  You're literally starting this show.

• 49:02Rayna Greenberg?

  But I'm starting with season three.

• 49:03Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay.

• 49:04Rayna Greenberg?

  I might go back, I might like season three and be like, I'm curious, but I, I don't know if I need to.

• 49:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, I, it's not for me, I tried it and it's just, it's a little too dark.

• 49:11Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay, and then just a shout out to my alma mater, Indiana University. They pulled off the most improbable turnaround in college football history to win its first national championship. They are the first team to go 16-0 in 132 years.

• 49:24Ashley Hesseltine?

  What?

• 49:25Rayna Greenberg?

  Yes, they're the only, they're the second team in college football history. Yale is the only other team that's ever done it. Insane.

• 49:32Ashley Hesseltine?

  Did you even follow this season at all?

• 49:33Rayna Greenberg?

  My dad texted me the other day, you gotta watch the IU game. And I was like, why would I do that? So when I went to, I went to Indiana and we just, we weren't a football school.

• 49:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 49:42Rayna Greenberg?

  IU was a huge basketball school. Like it is so huge for basketball.

• 49:46Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah.

• 49:46Rayna Greenberg?

  Bobby Knight. It's never been a football school in any way. They would give away tickets to the games halfway.

• 49:52Ashley Hesseltine?

  Totally.

• 49:53Rayna Greenberg?

  After the first quarter, you could just go in for free.

• 49:55Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, there's football schools and there's basketball schools. So I just, it's so funny because we were talking about it last night when they won the championship. I'm like, do you think Rain even knows this?

• 50:03Rayna Greenberg?

  My dad told me.

• 50:04Ashley Hesseltine?

  But I was like, in her defense, she didn't graduate.

• 50:07Rayna Greenberg?

  I did not graduate. So I guess it's not really my alma mater. It's where I hung out for four years and plus the summer and never graduated. You guys are new here, I'm one class short of graduating.

• 50:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  Oh, my God.

• 50:17Rayna Greenberg?

  But congrats to the Hoosiers and my fellow sort of alumni.

• 50:20Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so one more headline. Ludacris pulls out of Kid Rock tour after backlash and he says the booking was a mistake. So there is a little MAGA festival happening. Kid Rock's Rock the Country Festival is gonna go to eight small towns, eight lucky small towns around the country.

• 50:40Rayna Greenberg?

  Small towns is so embarrassing.

• 50:41Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, well, that's their whole thing, you know, so Kid Rock, obviously, oh, it's celebrating 250 years of freedom, by the way. So 70, 76, you know, they're doing their whole thing, whatever. Like, we're free. Ha, ha, ha. Okay, so Kid Rock is, the headliner at Jason Aldean, Blake Shelton, Jelly Roll, that was tough to see. Another one that I was upset about, Creed. I'm new in my, I'm in my Creed era.

• 51:05Rayna Greenberg?

  I don't think I've heard about Creed in 20 years and you bring it up every week now.

• 51:08Ashley Hesseltine?

  Well, I was back on Creed and now I'm like, oh, no, we're gonna, whatever.

• 51:12Rayna Greenberg?

  Well, are we decided? I thought Kid Rock is like highly aligned with like Donald Trump and MAGA, right?

• 51:17Ashley Hesseltine?

  A hundred percent. He's the guy. He's the artist.

• 51:20Rayna Greenberg?

  He's the guy.

• 51:21Ashley Hesseltine?

  Yeah, like this is a MAGA festival.

• 51:22Rayna Greenberg?

  Okay.

• 51:23Ashley Hesseltine?

  Clearly, you know, like Brooks and Dunn, Miranda Lambert, all these people, whatever. And then people really honed in on Ludacris and Nelly. And I think we all knew Nelly had kind of been involved in, he's done all his country collabs. And I think politically, no one thought he was, I don't know, Nelly was on. Surprising but ludicrous. People went crazy. Where's Nicki Minaj? I know. Where? Nicki Minaj, that's such a good call. She's definitely gonna replace Ludacris. How is Nicki Minaj not on this? She can't say it enough how much she's- That is so funny. They need, she's gonna replace Ludacris. So I was really upset when I saw this. I mean, I, Ludacris has been an unproblematic king for decades. Obviously, my connection with Atlanta, like, I've always been such a fan,

• 52:05Ashley Hesseltine?

  and he's so generous and he's, comes across really kind and he's just like about his fans. And so there was tons of backlash, and he pulled out. And he said it was a mistake that he was booked in the first place. And I wanna give him the benefit of the doubt. Like, I wanna believe that, like, his management was like, you should do this festival. It's gonna be huge. You'll get a bunch of money. And he just agreed to it. But like, you never know. You can't really trust anybody. You shouldn't- Oh, is he an Atlanta guy? Yeah. And would just, did somebody maybe just say, like, it's, it's a festival in the South. It's gonna be small towns in the South? And he was like, I'm the Georgia guy. I hope so. But I think if anyone said, like, hey, it's Kid Rocks Rock the Country Tour. Hello, obviously, MAGA Fest 2026.

• 52:47Ashley Hesseltine?

  So I wanna believe it was a mistake. I wanna believe that they threw his name on there to stir shit up. And now Nicki Minaj will take that slot. So anyway, I'm glad he pulled out. But you know, I just, I just hope so much that it wasn't that he was like, oh, I'm all in on this and I'm down with this. And then his fans lashed out. And he was like, oh, I guess it was a bad move. I just, I wanna, I wanna think, I wanna give him the benefit of the doubt. I'm a big fan. Always been a fan. I just, I think people's management should be booking him on stuff. Yeah. They're like, it's down the street. You just, you'll go. You'll be fine. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, uh, if you guys are going to MAGA Fest 2026, we don't wanna hear about it. You're probably not listening to this anymore.

• 53:27Ashley Hesseltine?

  Okay, so that is our snack for you guys. I hope you enjoyed. You can find us at girlsgottaeat.com, Girl's Gotta Eat Podcast on Instagram and TikTok. I'm Ash Hess. Raina is Rayna Greenberg. RainaGreenberg.com for her tour tickets, which is starting soon. Subscribe on YouTube. Share this episode with a friend, and we will see you Monday. Have a great weekend, guys. Bye.