S3 Ep329: From Family Reunion to Fatal Mystery | The Death of Giovanni Pelletier

On August 8, a body believed to be 18-year-old Giovanni Pelletier was found in a Florida retention pond near where he had recently gone missing. Giovanni disappeared after sending his mother a text reading “Mom, help” during a visit with relatives. The remains showed no signs of foul play, though official identification and cause of death aren't yet known. Giovanni’s family is now demanding an investigation into the circumstances surrounding his death. We're coming to CrimeCon Denver! Use our code CRIMEWEEKLY for 10% off your tickets! https://www.crimecon.com/CC25Try our coffee!! - www. CriminalCoffeeCo.comBecome a Patreon member -- > ｿ https://www.patreon.com/CrimeWeeklyShop for your Crime Weekly gear here --> ｿ https://crimeweeklypodcast.com/shopYoutube: https://www.youtube.com/c/CrimeWeeklyPodcastWebsite: CrimeWeeklyPodcast.comInstagram: @CrimeWeeklyPodTwitter: @CrimeWeeklyPodFacebook: @CrimeWeeklyPodADS:1. https://www. OneSkin.co - Use code CWN for 15% off!

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• 0:14Derrick Levasseur?

  Hey everyone, welcome back to Crime Weekly News. I'm Derek Levasseur.

• 0:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I'm Stephanie Harlow.

• 0:18Derrick Levasseur?

  And we're gonna jump right into it. Today on CWN, we dive into the heartbreaking case of Giovanni Pelletier, an 18-year-old boy who was tragically found dead in a retention pond in Florida just days after a disturbing series of events. Giovanni, who had traveled to Florida to connect with relatives from his father's side, would never make it back home. What started as an innocent visit with family quickly spiraled into confusion and tragedy. Giovanni's last moments are shrouded in mystery with conflicting stories from those who were with him. What really happened to Giovanni on that fateful night, and what role did his cousins play? Join us as we uncover the details of this devastating case and seek answers for a grieving mother who fears her son's death may have been far from accidental.

• 1:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so this is a crazy case. I've been following it on TikTok, and you said you really didn't know a ton about it.

• 1:07Derrick Levasseur?

  Not a ton, not a ton. I just read that little intro that, you know, you had written up for me, so I'm gonna be learning about it with everyone else.

• 1:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, so it's crazy, and when I was following it, he was still missing, and just the the series of events did not make any sense. And now that his body's been found, honestly, it makes even less sense. So let me go through the timeline with you.

• 1:29Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep.

• 1:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  At the end of July 2025, Giovanni traveled with his mother, Brigitte Pelletier, her fiance Jeremy Brown, and his four younger siblings from North Carolina where they live to Inglewood, Florida. They were going to Florida because they were planning to visit a relative who was undergoing chemotherapy, and while they were in Florida, Giovanni also expressed an interest in meeting relatives from his biological father's side of the family. Now, his biological father is incarcerated.

• 2:00Stephanie Harlowe?

  Giovanni had never had any contact or met any of the people from his father's side of the family in Florida. He'd been born in Florida and he lived there until he was four. And his mother said that Giovanni was craving the culture and the background from his dad's side of the family. She couldn't give that to him. She wanted him to have those opportunities with his dad's side. And a few days before they left for Florida, Giovanni was included in a group chat with some of those relatives. And he arranged for three of his cousins on the paternal side to pick him up on August 1st from Inglewood in Florida, and then bring him to where they lived, which was about a 30-minute drive

• 2:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  away from Inglewood. So on August 1st, at around 1:30 a.m., these three cousins, they picked Giovanni up at 1:30 in the morning. Now, at that time, his mother, Brigitte, who was studying for an upcoming pharmacy board exam, she was asleep. But allegedly, reportedly, her fiance Jeremy saw Giovanni leave. Then, while Giovanni's mother, Brigitte, is still asleep, at 1:51 a.m., just about 20 minutes after he left, Giovanni sent his mother a text. And that text said, "Mom, help."

• 3:13Derrick Levasseur?

  God, that's horrible.

• 3:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yep. She was asleep. She didn't get it. Then between 1:51 and 1:57 a.m., Giovanni tried to reach his mother on FaceTime. He also messaged his sister and his grandfather on his mother's side, asking for help. Everyone was asleep. Around 2:50 in the morning, one of the cousins that Giovanni was with attempted to call Giovanni's mother. She was asleep. She missed the call. At 6:20 a.m., Brigitte wakes up. She sees the missed messages. She sees the calls. She tries to call Giovanni. She can't get a hold of him. Now reportedly, Giovanni's paternal grandfather had left her a voicemail saying that there was some kind of altercation. And the cousins left Giovanni on the side of the road in Bradenton, which is in Manatee County. Eventually, the mother, Brigitte, used Giovanni's GPS

• 3:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  location, and it brought her to a place on the side of the road where there's some reports say that she found his backpack and his cellphone. Other reports say a trucker driving by found his backpack and cellphone and turned it into law enforcement. But either way, Giovanni's backpack and cellphone were on the side of the road. And Brigitte said, listen, Giovanni never goes anywhere without his phone. It was like an extension of him, she said.

• 4:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, most people now, especially the younger generation, they're all like that.

• 4:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  Mm-hmm. I mean, I'm kind of like that, too. She said, quote, "My son eats, sleeps, showers, breathes his phone," end quote. And I totally get that. I bring my phone in the shower with me, right? We have to constantly be stimulated, and especially that generation, they're always in touch with their friends through the cellphone. Now, also, a cousin had talked to Giovanni's mother, and he said they had smoked weed, that Giovanni and these cousins had smoked weed, and that Giovanni, in the car, freaked out, was yelling and swearing at him while he drove the car. Giovanni pulled a knife on them, and then they had to wrestle the knife away from him, at which point he ran away. On August 2nd, the Charlotte County Sheriff's Office released a statement saying that Giovanni was reported to have been acting

• 5:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  erratically. He was in a car with his cousins, traveling north on Interstate 75, and he exited the car near SR 70 in Manatee County and walked away. They do not mention that his belongings were found on the side of the road, and reportedly, there were conflicting stories, and one of the cousins gave the police a false name. This is not mentioned either. Him pulling a knife on the cousins, basically, the story that the cousin told Giovanni's mother, that's not really reported. Now, family and volunteers began to search for Giovanni, but not the three cousins. Brigitte believes that these cousins know more than they're saying. She said, quote, "None of these kids that were with him have tried to call me and ask me if I found him, asked me if he was okay, asked me anything," end quote. And sadly, this past Friday, Giovanni was found dead in a retention pond near the

• 5:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  southbound off-ramp of I-75 and State Road 70, so right around the, the location where his belongings were found. A family member, they had hired like a PI firm, and there were searchers out, and either a family member or one of the members of the PI group had been searching, and they saw a body partially submerged at the end of the pond, or at the edge of the pond. And law enforcement has said that they believe that the body had been in the pond for several days before floating to the surface because it was about a week between when he went missing.

• 6:20Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 6:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  And when he was found. And then Giovanni's mother, Brigitte, posted on Facebook, quote, "My son was recently found after a desperate search by our family alone, and we are still facing an active investigation into his death. I am living every parent's worst nightmare, trying to find the strength to give him the goodbye he deserves," end quote. Also reportedly, the white Chevy Malibu that the cousins were driving in with Giovanni that night, it's reportedly been seized by the Brevard County Sheriff's Office. Additionally, and this is interesting, we're going to talk about it. According to the Manatee County Sheriff's Office, the medical examiner has not made an official identification on Giovanni's body, although Giovanni's mother has publicly said that, you know, this is her son.

• 7:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  And they also said, which I find very interesting, "No foul play or trauma was found during the autopsy." Reportedly additionally, law enforcement has interviewed Giovanni's father, who I said, remember, he's incarcerated. And the father said he wasn't even comfortable with Giovanni hanging out with these specific family members who, remember, Giovanni had never met. So this is a crazy case. There's a lot here. We have a lot to talk about, but first, let's take a quick break and then we'll, we'll kind of go back and forth and discuss what we know. Okay, we're back. So let's go through this and let me get your, your opinion on this. Giovanni is coming from North Carolina to Florida.

• 7:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  He wants to connect with family members on his father's side who he's never met. Innocent enough, right?

• 7:55Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 7:56Stephanie Harlowe?

  Now, they pick him up at 1:30 in the morning. That's kind of weird.

• 7:59Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, that's interesting. Not something I would normally do, but people are different. So although... Questionable. I'm not saying, oh, huge red flag at this point.

• 8:09Stephanie Harlowe?

  All right. So he leaves around 1:30 in the morning. By 1:51, he's texting his mother, "Help." So just about 21 minutes that they're driving away from Inglewood and towards the area where the cousins live, which is about 30 minutes away. He's saying, "Help." Now, this is odd. He's not only texting his mom for help, he's trying to FaceTime her, he's texting his sister, he's texting his mother's father, his grandfather, "Help," because he can't get ahold of his mother. What do you make of this?

• 8:34Derrick Levasseur?

  I'm not going off exactly 1:30 because that's the approximate time. The 1:51 and 1:57 for the FaceTimes and the text message are more accurate because it's obviously time stamped. So let's even say he was picked up at 1:20, 1:25. You're talking about 27 to 35 minutes, somewhere in that range. And before I just give my initial gut reaction, you're someone who I think most people know dabbles in marijuana once in a while, right?

• 9:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yes.

• 9:07Derrick Levasseur?

  And, you know, marijuana is a weird thing because although I was never a big weed smoker, I dealt with it a lot as a narcotics detective, but when you're just smoking regular weed, most of the time, nothing happens. I had a bad experience many years ago with a cookie, where I basically like greened out.

• 9:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 9:25Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, because I ate one part of the cookie and it just destroyed me. But, and again, it's anecdotal, but like even if they started smoking as soon as they got in the car, which is reasonable to me, that is something you would do. You get in the car, hey, let's light up. We're going to be driving for a half hour. If Giovanni wasn't someone who smoked frequently, is there any possibility that he could have had a bad reaction to this?

• 9:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Of course, there's always a possibility. I don't want to say there's not. I would say you're more likely to have a bad reaction to edibles.

• 9:56Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, I agree.

• 9:57Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's where you usually see people having, yeah.

• 9:58Derrick Levasseur?

  I could attest to that one, yeah.

• 9:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  Because you can accidentally.

• 10:00Derrick Levasseur?

  Never had a bad experience with smoking, but definitely that one time with the edible, not good.

• 10:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  You can accidentally and easily take more than you intended to because most people who are using edibles, like your cookie, they're homemade, the dosing is not.

• 10:13Derrick Levasseur?

  All the dosing was in that one corner that I got.

• 10:15Stephanie Harlowe?

  Who knows where it is in the cookie, you know, it's an adventure every time because you don't know what's going to happen.

• 10:21Derrick Levasseur?

  Roulette with your, with your health.

• 10:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  With your edibles, it's Russian roulette if they're not. You know, gotten from like a legitimate dispensary.

• 10:27Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 10:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Even sometimes with a legitimate dispensary, you never know. It's all about how you're going to metabolize it. With just smoking weed, less likely, unless he had never smoked before, never smoked weed before, and he developed some sort of psychosis from smoking weed. Now, could there have been something else in the weed?

• 10:48Derrick Levasseur?

  Laced it?

• 10:48Stephanie Harlowe?

  Right?

• 10:49Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 10:49Stephanie Harlowe?

  That's really more likely.

• 10:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah. So that's, that's my initial reaction to where it's like, one, what was in the weed? I'd want to know from the cousins, was it laced with anything else? Maybe there's someone who smokes a lot and they try to enhance that a little bit by throwing something else in there. I also want to know Giovanni's background. Was he someone who smoked weed on the regular? Is this, was this one of his first times? We also need to learn about his mental history, right? We need to go back and look at his medical records and talk to family members and friends.

• 11:17Stephanie Harlowe?

  I mean, he's only 18 years old. He just graduated from high school, according to his mother. No issues.

• 11:21Derrick Levasseur?

  So, so that according to his mom, great. That's, that's, that's a start. I'd want to, as the detective, go back and make sure that he hasn't had any issues with mental health in the past that could have potentially been triggered by the smoking of this marijuana, especially if it was laced with something else.

• 11:36Stephanie Harlowe?

  Mm hmm.

• 11:37Derrick Levasseur?

  So that's the first couple of steps you have to do is, is, is look into the possibility that he did have a negative reaction to whatever he was smoking because if he started smoking when he got into the car and then he had a bad reaction, which triggered some type of episode, he could have been in the car texting her mom, help, while he's still in the car. And that's possible, right? We can't rule it out. The thing that would be in the hat of this was a tragic accident. We had a reaction is the autopsy results that do not suggest any signs of foul play.

• 12:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  They could be still waiting for toxicology. Toxicology does take longer.

• 12:09Derrick Levasseur?

  That does take longer. They probably do not have that yet.

• 12:12Stephanie Harlowe?

  And depending on the state of his body, how decomposed it was, Derek, right?

• 12:16Derrick Levasseur?

  It wouldn't be too, too bad. I mean, yes, you're right. I mean, with elements, it could be pretty bad. I shouldn't say that. It could be.

• 12:22Stephanie Harlowe?

  We're talking about Florida here.

• 12:23Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah, we're talking about Florida. There also could be other things in play if there's any type of.

• 12:27Stephanie Harlowe?

  Humid, muggies.

• 12:28Derrick Levasseur?

  Allegory, gator activities, some type of predation.

• 12:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 12:30Derrick Levasseur?

  So all that's a factor and you want to wait for those toxicology results. But if that comes back negative and the, and the pathologist who conducted the autopsy report is saying, hey, there's zero signs of strangulation, blunt force trauma. There's nothing here. This pathologist has no incentive to lie. So unless the perfect murder was conducted, or this is exactly the way it looks. On the surface, just hearing the story like you're telling it, it sounds shady as shit. Let's just call it what it is. But there's a lot of issues with this when you start to step back and you think about what would the motive be? Although you don't need that as an element for a crime, what would the motive be here? He's coming down, he wants to learn more about his family. This is usually a happy time where family members are

• 13:11Derrick Levasseur?

  reuniting. What could have happened in that that span of time where it went from a joyous occasion to we're gonna kill this kid? If it was premeditated, what would be the motive there? He's just coming down to learn more about his father and learn more about his family. What would be their reasoning for taking him out, knowing that they're gonna be the ones that are looked at the most closely because they were the last ones with him?

• 13:32Stephanie Harlowe?

  I have no idea.

• 13:33Derrick Levasseur?

  The only thing I will say is that sometimes it could be in the middle, right? There could be no foul play here. However, there could have been something in the weed or something they did where they know there's some culpability there. And so because of that, they're not telling the complete truth because they know when the talks come back or something like that, it could hold them with some level of liability. Maybe not full blown murder, but something else a little less severe. So there's a gradient.

• 13:58Stephanie Harlowe?

  I was thinking like, maybe, maybe they were like, we'll give him some laced weed, mess with our little cousin, you know, give him a real, like hazing ritual into what our family's like, kind of thing, and it backfired.

• 14:08Derrick Levasseur?

  Or they said right out, hey, listen, we got a little something extra here. And Giovanni, who, you know, 18 years old, wants to fit in, wants to be part of the, you know, his new family, says, yeah, I can do that. I've done it before. No problem. I've definitely done that.

• 14:20Stephanie Harlowe?

  But yeah, have you?

• 14:22Derrick Levasseur?

  I remember a time.

• 14:23Stephanie Harlowe?

  Like with harder, if they were like, there's like, there's like PCP in here?

• 14:27Derrick Levasseur?

  No, no, not PCP. It was coke. I'll be honest with you. I was 17 years old.

• 14:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  Derek?

• 14:31Derrick Levasseur?

  Yep, it was coke. I was 17 years old. I don't even know if I should be saying that, but it's true. Listen, I'm by no means an angel. And I was with my cousins. And they were the older cousins and they were like, you know, the cool guys. And I wanted to be cool. And they were like, yeah, have you ever done any of this before? And I'm like, yeah, of course. Obviously, who hasn't, right?

• 14:51Derrick Levasseur?

  And I remember just like standing on a step for like an hour just looking at the grass, not knowing what I was doing. And I was like, I'm so dumb. And you know, granted, I was with my cousins who protected me and made sure I was okay and I was fine. But it was only a very, very, very

• 15:07Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, but they protected you, right? Because you knew them, you probably grew up with them.

• 15:11Derrick Levasseur?

  I wanted to be cool. They were my older cousins. It was my first time really hanging out with them. They were driving. I wasn't really driving yet. And I was like, okay. These guys are, I look up to them.

• 15:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 15:22Derrick Levasseur?

  And I could see a similar situation here where you have peer pressure and all that. So where I sit right now, it's very possible.

• 15:28Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, I could see that as well. But Derek, you said your cousins looked out for you, made sure you were okay. They dropped his ass off on the side of the road.

• 15:35Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay. And I know I'm playing devil's advocate, but if you want to protect him and you're like, hey, Giovanni, calm down. It's gonna be all right, man. And he pulls out a knife and he's like, back the

• 15:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  You think he pulled a knife out on them? This little 18 year old just graduated from high school, no criminal history. He's so sweet.

• 15:49Derrick Levasseur?

  You say he's so sweet, but we don't know him.

• 15:50Stephanie Harlowe?

  Everyone who knew him said, I know, but like

• 15:52Derrick Levasseur?

  Oh, everybody who knew him said he was sweet.

• 15:54Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah.

• 15:54Derrick Levasseur?

  You can still be sweet and carry a knife. I have a knife. You know, I carry a knife on me every single day. I'm a sweetie.

• 15:59Stephanie Harlowe?

  I know, but like, but why didn't they tell the police that he pulled a knife on them? I mean, unless

• 16:03Derrick Levasseur?

  They did.

• 16:04Stephanie Harlowe?

  They did. Well, he just says, the police just said he was acting erratically. So you're saying that the police just failed to mention this knife pulling incident?

• 16:11Derrick Levasseur?

  Who mentioned the knife then? They said the knife on the voicemail?

• 16:14Stephanie Harlowe?

  The cousin said it to Giovanni's mother. And what I find interesting is if that's the case, if like, if he pulled a knife on you, then you'd think that was kind of important information. Like, was this knife, this alleged knife found in his backpack?

• 16:30Derrick Levasseur?

  Yeah.

• 16:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  Right? Or

• 16:32Derrick Levasseur?

  Or is the knife found, yeah, was the knife found in the pond?

• 16:34Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah. Did you give him something that made him act that way and you weren't expecting it? And then you were like, oh, this is not our problem. We don't even know this kid. You dropped him off and him pulling a knife on you was a convenient reason of why you didn't look out for him and why you left him on his own.

• 16:47Derrick Levasseur?

  It goes back to the, the truth could be somewhere in the middle, right? The truth could be somewhere in the middle where a couple of these things are embellished to soften the landing a little bit. But no, I agree with you. I think overall where we sit right now is detectives have to take statements they have to look into Giovanni's past his history to see what type of kid he was outside of what his mom even might have known right and then they have to look at the actual evidence they have which is going to be the autopsy or report any forensics they have the pond where he was located in relation to where he was dropped off any witness testimony that they find his backpack all of that good stuff look at the car analyze that as well

• 17:24Stephanie Harlowe?

  they have the backpack they have the Chevy Malibu so they're probably going to be looking into that I'm sure they will take electronics right hopefully of these of these cousins look at the group chat see if it kind of matches where was their GPS at the time that Giovanni was making these calls and texts were there any texts exchanged afterwards between the cousins where it was like oh we gotta figure this out kind of thing like they're gonna look into that yeah

• 17:49Derrick Levasseur?

  gotta get your eyes and cross your Ts right but if at the end of the day they look into everything and everything aligns with the idea that it's an accident even though there still could be some truth that the cousins aren't telling you exactly what happened because they just don't want to be held responsible for anything unfortunately that's all you have to go off of the big the big deciding factor here will be the autopsy report and the toxicology report now even if the toxicology report comes back with something other than weed is there a crime that they could be charged with there absolutely maybe there's something that they can charge him with but are they going to be hit with murder no more than likely not

• 18:25Stephanie Harlowe?

  is it possible for you this wasn't an accident because I genuinely it's a very small possibility that like he smoked weed that has nothing in it and he develops some psychosis once again yes of course it's possible but it's so unlikely

• 18:41Derrick Levasseur?

  well that's why the story is interesting though right because it's it's very unlikely but it's not impossible

• 18:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  that's very unlikely if they put something in there and he had a bad reaction more likely but then your the cousins are kind of responsible for introducing this substance into his body that caused him to act that way and then leaving him on his own where he what wandered into the pond and drowned forgot how to swim wandered he's so erratic and so out of his mind that he what walks into a pond and is just like I'll drowned now it that doesn't even make sense his death being an accident how did he get in that pond how did he you know was he was he not conscious is what I'm thinking that seems to me Maybe he went unconscious, maybe they thought he died and they were like, ah, let's put his body in the pond. And then he drowned.

• 19:30Derrick Levasseur?

  That that's also possible.

• 19:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  What's more possible, that he has some weird reaction from marijuana, walks into a pond and drowns? Or that he maybe passes out and they think this isn't good for us and they try to get rid of the evidence, thinking that the gators and you know, just the in general, the the weirdness of Florida takes care of it for them.

• 19:47Derrick Levasseur?

  I concede that one is more likely than the other, but that's why these cases get interesting because even though one is more likely than the other, it doesn't mean that the the rarity is what actually occurred. And so that's why you have to go with the evidence.

• 20:01Stephanie Harlowe?

  Or or you mean, you mean it doesn't mean that the thing that's more likely is what occurred?

• 20:05Derrick Levasseur?

  Exactly. The rarity didn't happen, right? The anomaly didn't actually take place here. So you have to go with the forensics, right? I think overall, what's gonna, what it's gonna come down to is the autopsy report, the cause of death, the manner of death, the toxicology report. That is going to be the deciding factor here. Yes, he was in the water. You didn't say the exact date. You said July 2025. We're looking in August right now, so he potentially was in the water for four.

• 20:30Stephanie Harlowe?

  It was August 1st, when August 1st at 1:30 in the morning, when his cousins picked him up. So it would have been August 1st allegedly that he went into the water.

• 20:37Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, so I got that wrong. So July was when they went down to Florida.

• 20:41Stephanie Harlowe?

  July, end of July is when they went down.

• 20:42Derrick Levasseur?

  Okay, so he was only in the water for less than a week.

• 20:44Stephanie Harlowe?

  So he would have been in the water, August 1st, he's found on Friday, exactly a week. The 8th was a Friday.

• 20:50Derrick Levasseur?

  Unless it's, in my experience, one week isn't going to do that much. It it's going to still cause some the gases to expand and all that, but the body still should be pretty well intact. Especially if it was on the surface, floating around.

• 21:03Stephanie Harlowe?

  If there was no issues with wildlife.

• 21:04Derrick Levasseur?

  No issues with wildlife, et cetera. So I I think they're going to be able to do a pretty good autopsy report here. Definitely be able to pull a toxicology that a lot of the times that's from the eyes. So I think we're going to be good here. I think we're going to get a really good result back from this and they're going to be able to tell with a high degree of certainty if there was any indications of foul play. And then you go from there, you reverse engineer it from there. If he has something in his system, they probably go back to the cousins and say, hey, here's what we have. Maybe they admit to it, maybe they don't. But even from a legal perspective, if they don't admit to it and say exactly who provided it, I don't know what you can really do. It's going to be, you know, three or four cousins in the car. How do you, how do you charge one person with anything?

• 21:47Derrick Levasseur?

  They're definitely not going to be able to charge them if the autopsy comes back clean with like manslaughter or anything like that. It's not going to happen.

• 21:53Stephanie Harlowe?

  If the autopsy comes back clean with no substances, you mean? If the toxicology comes back with no substances?

• 21:58Derrick Levasseur?

  Even if it comes back with a substance, you have to pinpoint it on one of the cousins, the one who provided it. So you would have to have them turn on each other. And I think there's, you know, from a legal perspective, now you have to prove that what they provided was what actually caused the episode and it wasn't something that Giovanni had brought with him. It just, it's a whole can of worms. Now I, I think we could all deduce what more than likely happened. We just talked about it, but it's not what you know, it's what you can prove. So I think you have to wait for the toxicology result and then go from there. If there's nothing there, this case is going to be closed.

• 22:31Stephanie Harlowe?

  But it's, it's weird. It's really weird.

• 22:33Derrick Levasseur?

  It is. It's a weird case, which is why we're covering it. If it was straightforward, you wouldn't be going over it and people wouldn't be curious about it.

• 22:39Stephanie Harlowe?

  Yeah, the medical examiner said, hey, it doesn't look like there's foul play. It doesn't look like there's any signs of, of trauma. But okay, if he drowned, you can usually tell if somebody drowned when they were conscious or unconscious. There's ways that you can tell. And I think that that's going to be something that I'd be interested in hearing. Like we should see the full Emmy's report at this point because that doesn't make sense. No foul play. Like what did, what exactly did they say? They said, um, no foul play or trauma was found during the autopsy. So he just drowned? He just walked into a pond in a state where he doesn't live and drowned? It doesn't make any sense. There's no, there's no like context behind that.

• 23:21Stephanie Harlowe?

  And I think that we need context and, you know, honestly Giovanni's mother. And his family, they don't feel like the police response has been as kind of urgent as it needs to be due to his age, due to the fact that he had just turned 18. I think he turned 18 in April. So, you know, they're out there, obviously, trying to get awareness for his case, and that's what we're doing right now.

• 23:41Derrick Levasseur?

  Absolutely.

• 23:42Stephanie Harlowe?

  So, let us know what you think about this in the comments.

• 23:44Derrick Levasseur?

  If there's an update, we'll let you guys know for sure.

• 23:46Stephanie Harlowe?

  Absolutely.

• 23:47Derrick Levasseur?

  Leave a comment down below. If you're listening on audio, leave a review with your comments. Let us know what you think. Do we have something here? Is this a tragic accident? If there's any update in the case that's significant, we will absolutely let you guys know. Until then, everyone stay safe out there. We'll see you later this week with Amy Bradley, Part 3, both on audio and video. Have a good night. Take care.

• 24:06Stephanie Harlowe?

  Bye.