#2274 - Mike Baker

Mike Baker is a former CIA covert operations officer and current CEO of Portman Square Group, a global intelligence and security firm. He’s also the host of the "President’s Daily Brief" podcast: a twice daily news report on critical events happening around the globe available on all podcast platforms. www.portmansquaregroup.com This episode is brought to you by AG1. Take ownership of your health with AG1 and get a FREE bottle of Vitamin D3+K2 AND 5 free Travel Packs with your first subscription. Go to drinkag1.com/joerogan Don’t miss out on all the action this week at DraftKings! Download the DraftKings app today! Sign-up using dkng.co/rogan or through my promo code ROGAN. GAMBLING PROBLEM? CALL 1-800-GAMBLER, (800) 327-5050 or visit gamblinghelplinema.org (MA). Call 877-8-HOPENY/text HOPENY (467369) (NY). Please Gamble Responsibly. 888-789-7777/visit ccpg.org (CT), or visit www.mdgamblinghelp.org (MD).21+ and present in most states. (18+ DC/KY/NH/WY). Void in ONT/OR/NH. Eligibility restrictions apply. On behalf of Boot Hill Casino & Resort (KS).1 per new customer. $5+ first-time bet req. Max. $150 issued as non-withdrawable Bonus Bets that expire in 7 days (168 hours). Stake removed from payout. Terms: sportsbook.draftkings.com/promos. Ends 3/16/25 at 11:59 PM ET. Sponsored by DK. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

  The Joe Rogan Experience.

• 0:05Speaker 01

  Training by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day.

• 0:13Joe Rogan?

  Baker, good to see you, my friend.

• 0:15Speaker 03

  It's good to be seen. Thank you, Mr. Rogan.

• 0:17Joe Rogan?

  You're taking notes already?

• 0:20Speaker 03

  I am. He said, "Good to see you." Yeah, I know. I don't know what I do this.

• 0:26Joe Rogan?

  So tell everybody what you were doing in the Middle East, because it's pretty crazy.

• 0:29Speaker 03

  Oh, thank you.

• 0:29Joe Rogan?

  Pretty interesting.

• 0:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, thank you for that. Look, it all started with some colleagues of mine from the UK Special Forces Club. And these guys are tremendous, right? But Howard Leedom and some others who came up with an idea. They said, "Look, we have to do something to help the benevolent fund," which is for the UK Special Forces. It's like wounded warriors here in the States. But, and I can say this because I'm a dual citizen with the UK. The British don't tend to be very good at raising money or asking for money for very important causes. So here in the US where you've got 100,000 different groups that are advocating for veterans, over there, it's not the case, right? But they have the same need, right? And they have all these wonderful people and their families.

• 1:14Speaker 03

  So the idea was, what can we do? A big event, something massive that can really help to raise funds and awareness for the Special Forces Benevolent Fund. They came up with this crazy idea at the time, still crazy, to recreate a 1917 epic journey that Lawrence of Arabia did through what was considered the impassable deserts of Saudi and Jordan. To go from essentially northwest Saudi through these impassable deserts and then into Jordan and then down to Aqaba to rout the Turks, who at the time controlled the area. And with a small Arab army led by several sheikhs and Lawrence, they did this trek of about 1,100 kilometers.

• 1:59Speaker 03

  Took them several months because they had to stop along the way, plus they were fighting Turks along the way. So... We took off in January, mid-January, five riders, ten camels, and an incredible support team, an incredible support team. Can I just stop you there? Is this your first time riding a camel? Well, we went out in December, spent about a week and a half. Howard lives out there, has to do, one of the other fellows, and... So you had to go through camel riding training? Camel riding training. That's exactly what we did. Oh. What is it like riding a camel? It is not comfortable in any fashion. It's not like a horse. A horse has, you can fall into sort of a rhythm, and a horse has a much smoother gait.

• 2:43Speaker 03

  You know, so the camel, basically, all you're trying to do, there's the, there's the crew. You're up so high. Howard, James, myself, Tomo, there's Craig in the back, an amazing crew. I've rarely worked with, with guys that are just so impressive. And, and again, going with the support team, everybody that was on that group, a small group of eight or nine folks. Why does everybody ride with one leg to the side like that? It's essentially a comfort issue. And because you'll notice, there's no, those, they're not really saddles, they're called shaddads, that sit on top of the hump. That's a Saudi shaddad. The Omani shaddad is different, it sits behind the hump, and is even less comfortable. And now, these things were probably designed some 2,000 years ago, and they've never felt

• 3:28Speaker 03

  the need to improve them. They're basically just some wood, you know, tied together, and then you try to throw a couple of things on top of this piece of wood to make it comfortable. And I think all the Bedouins and others were laughing at us, because we just kept piling blankets on to try to see if we couldn't, you know, it was, it was tough. And, and so, ass blisters are a real thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah, so anyway, that's what, that's what, that's what you see there, but there's no stirrups on these things. Like a horse, you know, you're riding, you're on the saddle, you've got stirrups, and it takes the pressure off your legs. So you're just hanging on. So you don't want to ride with one leg on either side, because it's just not, it's just not comfortable. So you hitch your leg over the, the front, and then you, you kind of put your leg, or your foot, behind the other leg. Is it because they're too wide?

• 4:12Joe Rogan?

  Is that why you don't want to ride one leg on the other side? Or is it just a ballbuster?

• 4:16Speaker 03

  I'll tell you, it's a ballbuster, particularly if that shaddad shifts and it starts to like lean forward and then suddenly like there's these these large dowels in the front, large dowel in the back, you know, they kind of basically look like big wooden dildos on this shaddad. And so if that shaddad shifts forward as it did on occasion, you're just, your, your package is just jammed against that thing. And you have to cover, these guys, look, I got injured. I had some soft muscle injury and, and there's, there's the crew walking through. And I tore some muscles in my rib cage during a-

• 4:47Joe Rogan?

  Just riding?

• 4:48Speaker 03

  No, I was a rather inelegant dismount-

• 4:52Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 4:52Speaker 03

  -from the camel. And so I twisted really badly and then went the other way and then next thing you know, I'd, I had fucked up some, the muscles along my obliques and then rib cage area. And so I spent the next couple of days, we had a team medic, Jed, a wonderful guy, great sense of humor, as did they all. And he eventually got tired of me, like, asking him for painkillers and anti-inflammatories. And so eventually I had to tap out, which was more painful probably than, than the actual injuries. And the guys just continued to grind it out.

• 5:27Joe Rogan?

  How far was left when you-

• 5:29Speaker 03

  Oh, I was, I was in the first 25% of the, of the journey. So I had, and then I went back for the, for the end, for the arrival into Alkaba. There's the whole crew right there. Just, I, I just can't say enough about these, these people. Again, 25, 26 days, longer than that, actually, a month, out in really bad conditions. People think, ah, it's the deserts, right? Well, it's called the impassable deserts for a reason. Massive sandstorms, freezing temperatures at night, bitter cold. And we were sleeping in one man tents. And then you'd get up, you'd, you'd get the camels ready.

• 6:02Joe Rogan?

  How many, how much supplies did you bring?

• 6:05Speaker 03

  Well-

• 6:05Joe Rogan?

  Did you have a supply camel?

• 6:06Speaker 03

  We had, we had Land Rover did a wonderful job of helping to sponsor this. So they provided vehicles that the support team used to kind of trail and then get ahead and, and help to, to establish the next. And we had, we'd, Howard and Craig had done the, the recce. So we, we had the camps mapped out because this is a long trek, 1,100 kilometers. And, and so they were able to, to supply and, and do all the work that kept these guys moving forward. And

• 6:40Joe Rogan?

  Imagine doing that without them.

• 6:42Speaker 03

  Oh, it would it would have been it wouldn't have been impossible, but they'd still be out there. Schlepping, yeah.

• 6:47Joe Rogan?

  Geez, you'd have to bring several camels just to carry your food and water.

• 6:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, it's exactly right.

• 6:53Joe Rogan?

  There's no water out there, right?

• 6:55Speaker 03

  Uh, no, no, I mean, there's there's

• 6:57Joe Rogan?

  Do you find spring occasionally?

• 6:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, you you could you you pass through a handful of areas near small. I mean, when I'm saying small, I mean, like, there's nothing there, little tiny village. Maybe there's a mosque. And the mosque would have a water supply, so you could stop and and and maybe refill, let the camels drink.

• 7:12Joe Rogan?

  Are they getting water from the ground? Or are they getting water from, are they bringing it in?

• 7:17Speaker 03

  From a well, yeah, from a well. So they have they have, I mean, because, you know, talking thousands of years, they've figured out where the wells are. And part of this, you know, from 1917, it look, look, the Turks never expected these guys to come from this direction, because who's going to do that?

• 7:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 7:30Speaker 03

  And they did it. These guys all did it. I was just I was just honored to be a part of it, even though I had to tap out, which was, goddamn, that was

• 7:38Joe Rogan?

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• 8:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, I should have I should have included a a map of the the route itself.

• 8:53Joe Rogan?

  Where is it? Just like, tell me where to look.

• 8:55Speaker 03

  Um, look for Al Waj, Al Waj Saudi.

• 9:02Speaker 03

  On the coast, sort of northwest Saudi, and

• 9:09Joe Rogan?

  Look at Jamie spelling it correctly and everything.

• 9:11Speaker 03

  This guy, this guy's crazy. Look at that. No, he's right there, right there at the top.

• 9:17Speaker 03

  So we started in Al-Waj, and then, yeah, there you go, there you go. Now, click out. And then you start, you start heading north, you start heading northeast. You can see Jordan is up there above that area. You start heading sort of on a diagonal northeast. You pass through all, just look at it, it's like, what the hell? And you keep going, you keep going. Eventually, you get, if you zoom out a little bit, so you'll see the border with Jordan.

• 9:47Speaker 03

  Okay, you go up, pass, keep going in that direction.

• 9:50Joe Rogan?

  The whole place looks inhospitable.

• 9:52Speaker 03

  There's not a lot there. And then you come up to where Jordan is. But anyway, at the end of the day, you see Akaba. We came down through Jordan and into Akaba, which is at the tip there, right there, yeah. Which is where the fort was, which is where they routed the Turks, and then eventually that that created all sorts of opportunities for the Arab states.

• 10:08Joe Rogan?

  Look at this whole area. There's fucking no green.

• 10:12Speaker 03

  No, no, there's not.

• 10:13Joe Rogan?

  This is tiny parcels of semi-green areas.

• 10:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, there's, there's, when I say it's desolate and there's nothing, there's nothing.

• 10:22Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, zoom back out again. Look how wild that looks. Like, what happened?

• 10:27Speaker 03

  So these, these

• 10:31Joe Rogan?

  Doesn't that all look washed out, Jamie? This is all Randall Carlson stuff, right?

• 10:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, and we went, went through the Royal Reserve. The Saudis were very good, and the Jordanians were amazing as well.

• 10:41Joe Rogan?

  Jamie, what were you saying?

• 10:42Speaker 03

  In supporting this.

• 10:43Speaker 04

  It's a basin. Looks like it all washed down.

• 10:44Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it totally looks like it washed.

• 10:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, you'll find, you'll find like all these wadis that are in there that, you know, it's essentially, there's a lot of dried up riverbeds, and, you know, the danger is, of course, there are flash floods on occasion, not, not, not very often. But, so this, this, this thing took place, and they eventually, the whole thing ended in Akaba. Again, the Jordanians couldn't, couldn't have been greater about supporting this. I think everybody Buddy, I know the better ones when we got started, they were staring at us like, what the hell are you doing? They couldn't imagine that people would do this willingly.

• 11:19Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 11:20Speaker 03

  For no, from their perspective, no reason.

• 11:23Joe Rogan?

  Americans and Europeans.

• 11:24Speaker 03

  Man, I tell you what, I, I, yeah, I know, I know when I got injured, I, I, I know every single one of those damn son of a bitches were laughing. They were like, what the hell? And then, uh, and they were looking at like our shaddads with all these blankets and, and, and furs on them, trying to, trying to make it somewhat comfortable.

• 11:40Joe Rogan?

  Those guys must have leather balls.

• 11:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think, or they just had them removed. I don't know how you do it because, and then, and you have to trot, right? You can't just walk. Walking was comfortable enough, but you have to, you have to cover the distance, right? And the trot on a camel is, is not comfortable, right? And so it was, i- i- anyway, I, I just can't say enough good things about these people. Uh, but the cause, the, the UK Special Forces Club Benevolent Fund, if people want to go and, and read more about this, they can go to, uh, what is it? W W W S F C?

• 12:13Joe Rogan?

  That's how old you are. You keep using the W's. Everybody else gave up on it.

• 12:17Speaker 03

  So that's three W's and then.

• 12:20Joe Rogan?

  Everybody used to say that. People used to say H T T P, colon, back flag.

• 12:25Speaker 03

  I still, I still do, because I think that's what you have to do. So it's F, uh, S F C B F dot org. You can go there, you check it out, and if you're so inclined, there's even a button you can click on to donate, even if it's a price of a cup of coffee. If you, if you get enough people putting in the price of a cup of coffee, it makes a huge difference for these people. But, uh, it was, it was, uh, one of those bucket list items that I just can't describe.

• 12:51Joe Rogan?

  When you see some of the things that USAID fund, does it get you upset that they don't fund things like this?

• 12:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, it really does.

• 12:57Joe Rogan?

  It does me too. It does me too. It's just, it's, come on.

• 13:00Speaker 03

  Cause this, this is a direct, right? As, as is wounded warriors, as are all the other groups. It's a direct way to help people, you know, and it's not like they, they've got, you know, massive administrative costs, right? Like, like the, the government tends to.

• 13:13Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 13:14Speaker 03

  And so, no, absolutely goddamn right. I just, it seems to me, and so we, you know, we were fortunate to have a lot of, you know, corporations that went in on it. You know, there were some that looked at it and goes, okay, so let me see, you're talking about five white guys on camels, you know, recreating what we think is a, it was still sort of the vestiges of that bullshit DEI thing, right, from a corporate perspective.

• 13:34Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 13:34Speaker 03

  So we're like, no, goddammit, it's sporting, you know, veterans, how difficult, and their families, how tough is that to understand? But, you know, some-

• 13:41Joe Rogan?

  You're just taking a difficult trek, it doesn't mean you support colonialism.

• 13:44Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, exactly, you know, and by the way, the Arab sheiks led the way, right? It was their effort.

• 13:49Joe Rogan?

  Isn't it crazy though, that you have to look at things through this lens of who in the furthest left, kookiest perspective is gonna be offended by this, because it's a bunch of white people in the desert?

• 13:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 14:00Joe Rogan?

  If anything, it should give you a perspective on how unbelievably brutal the times were back then.

• 14:05Speaker 03

  No, absolutely, and you also, you also think that, honestly, it's just, you look at the cause, look at the reason for it, right? But I do think, I think that, I think we are on the, on the downhill slope of DEI, right? I think that, I think the grifters who built up that cottage industry are gonna have to be looking for new jobs, because I think most companies are starting to think, you know what, let's get off of this thing.

• 14:32Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 14:33Speaker 03

  So.

• 14:33Joe Rogan?

  I think so too, and I also think that if you look at the overall body of work that they've produced, it's very, it's very obvious what many of them are doing. I think there's some genuinely good people that are involved in this, that really want to do good work, they're very sensitive, kind souls, they probably grew up rich, probably grew up rich, but I think there's a lot of, lot of grifters too, unfortunately, and the grifters, they've, they've been so egregious and obvious, that I think it's turned a lot of people up, even rational, kind, compassionate, progressive people are like, enough, this is fucking stupid.

• 15:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 15:12Joe Rogan?

  Especially when you hear like, the, the anti-stuff, it's not just like, pro-whatever you are, it's anti-whatever you're not.

• 15:21Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 15:21Joe Rogan?

  And then you realize, okay, this is not like, this is not rational, this is, this is cult-like thinking, and this is a thing where, if you don't agree, the punishment is- Very, it's very grave, like they'll go after you so hard if you don't agree with them. Then you kind of realize what it is.

• 15:39Speaker 03

  And then eventually they start to eat their own.

• 15:41Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 15:41Speaker 03

  And so.

• 15:42Joe Rogan?

  You can never be progressive enough.

• 15:43Speaker 03

  No, no, no, the mob's always going to turn on, on no matter who you are and how righteous you pretended to be. Um, so, and I agree with it, yeah, good people with good intentions, you know, in mixed in, but I think a lot of people saw this as a terrific opportunity, right? And I also think that what it, what it taught me was that, yes, I am racist. I hate, uh, I hate elite, uh, progressive white people. More than, more than, I just, I can't stand them. It's the one group that I, I would say that I, I just can't stand because they're very, there's something about him and, uh.

• 16:16Joe Rogan?

  I feel sorry for them. I feel, I feel, I feel like at this point in our, our culture, uh, the divisions are so fucking crazy and it's so counter to what America should be standing for, which is a, a United States, united country, a community, a large group of people that all agree on a few very key rules, one of them being freedom. And I think that.

• 16:43Speaker 03

  Seems logical.

• 16:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, we gotta stop all, this division is set up not by us. It's set up by world leaders, it's set up by the media, it's set up by the people who benefit from keeping us divided. Most of us agree on a lot. And one of the things you're seeing is like from all these USA disclosures is the mainstream media cannot ever say that anything this administration is doing is positive. So even if they find unbelievable corruption.

• 17:11Speaker 03

  Right.

• 17:11Joe Rogan?

  And they've found some really wild shit, like what was the 4.7 trillion dollars in untraceable money?

• 17:20Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 17:21Joe Rogan?

  I sent that to you, right?

• 17:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, you did. Yeah, that was, that was, uh, Doge, you know, was, um, digging through, um, the, you know, essentially the way that money is audited within the government. And they look at, uh, the, the, the, the data sets and how things are divided and how you have to explain what's going on. And the idea is that there's a lack of links to payments, outgoing payments, budget line items. So this payment goes out, what is it for, right? I mean, it would be the same thing if you had a, well, I do, I have a business. And in that business, you have to know what you're spending your money on, right? I mean, that's a logical thing. I'm

• 18:03Speaker 03

  not a rocket scientist. But what they're saying is that they've, well, there you go.

• 18:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, here it is. So it's Treasury Access Symbol, TAS, is an identification code linking treasury payment to a budget line item, standard financial process. In the federal government, the TAS field was optional for 4.7 trillion in payments and was often left blank.

• 18:26Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 18:26Joe Rogan?

  Making traceability almost impossible. As of Saturday, this is now a required field, increasing insight into where money is actually going. Thanks to US Treasury for the great work.

• 18:38Speaker 03

  If I've got, if I, it would be like if I got my monthly reports, my monthly numbers from our finance director. And I looked at it, and there's the outgoing line. So I can see how much money's going out. But there's nothing that links it to, where did it go? Did it go to pay a vendor? Did it go to pay rent? Did it go to pay staff?

• 18:54Joe Rogan?

  Who bought a jet?

• 18:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. Who bought a jet? Yeah. By the way, when a company buys a jet, it's usually, that's a key fraud indicator.

• 19:02Joe Rogan?

  If a company buys a jet, all companies?

• 19:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, not all companies.

• 19:04Joe Rogan?

  The UFC bought a jet.

• 19:06Speaker 03

  Not all companies. Let me just, let me just make a note of that. UFC, jet. No, it's, what I mean is, obviously, it's not like if it's Nike or, you know, an established, you know, large business.

• 19:16Joe Rogan?

  But you're making so much money, you can buy a jet.

• 19:19Speaker 03

  Right. If you're, if you've got a business that, in a space, and it's a growing business, or it's a new business, or a startup, whatever, a purchase of a jet usually is a fraud indicator on the list of all the fraud indicators.

• 19:30Joe Rogan?

  Means you cashed in your meme coin.

• 19:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 19:34Speaker 03

  I'm not cashing.

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• 22:05Speaker 03

  You know what, it's funny you should say that.

• 22:07Joe Rogan?

  It seems like it's legal gambling is what it is. And it seems like even though it's horrible to do and very unethical to dump it. To pump and dump it, it seems like that's legal for some weird reason. You know, because I know that's the turmoil around the Haktua coin. And that's the fear about the Trump coin. And I think, didn't the president of Argentina do a pump and dump as well? Allegedly. Well, allegedly, yeah. What did he do, Jamie?

• 22:35Speaker 04

  That is getting way messy this week. I wouldn't even speculate. There's all sorts of shit going on with that.

• 22:39Joe Rogan?

  What do you think's happening?

• 22:40Speaker 04

  Coffeezilla had a video come out, I think late last night.

• 22:44Joe Rogan?

  He's the guy you do not want investigating your shit coin.

• 22:47Speaker 04

  Some guy's admitting to stuff that didn't sound.

• 22:50Joe Rogan?

  They're admitting it?

• 22:51Speaker 04

  Yeah, I don't, that's where I was like, I didn't even watch the videos yet. I'm just seeing the stuff on Twitter.

• 22:54Joe Rogan?

  We were trying to figure out as a way to do it where you don't pump and dump it. Because anybody can kind of make money now, which is so strange. And we're like, we make a JRE coin, if we, what if we didn't dump it? What if we didn't pump and dump it? Like, what would it be for? Would it, how can you just do that? The regulations are, have not caught up yet, right? So, you see that? Any, any new, any, any new emerging business, industry, technology? You know, I think there are people who look and go, there's an opportunity here. Because, you know, regulatory policy hasn't caught up. Right. And so, you know. Well, Dave Portnoy's been paying attention to all this. And he's been buying coins and tweeting about them and then selling them. And he's been making a lot of money. And he's like, am I going to jail? Like, what is this?

• 23:39Joe Rogan?

  Because, you know, you're making real money. I think, didn't he make like a million dollars off of one of them?

• 23:44Speaker 04

  He's involved in this too now.

• 23:46Speaker 03

  It reminds me of-

• 23:46Joe Rogan?

  He's involved in what? Which one? The Argentina thing?

• 23:49Speaker 04

  I don't, that's what I don't know.

• 23:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, fill me in, dog.

• 23:52Speaker 04

  I'm trying to find out. I don't like, it's called Libra Coin, I think. And I don't know if that's the same as the Argentina Coin.

• 23:57Joe Rogan?

  Libera! I think that's what it is.

• 24:00Speaker 04

  They're going through like whether or not he knew stuff before, or who told him, and what did he know?

• 24:05Joe Rogan?

  The portnoy?

• 24:05Speaker 03

  And when did he know it?

• 24:06Speaker 04

  Yeah, exactly.

• 24:07Joe Rogan?

  He's pretty careful.

• 24:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 24:08Joe Rogan?

  He's pretty careful. I doubt, I doubt he did anything illegal.

• 24:11Speaker 04

  I wouldn't assume so.

• 24:12Joe Rogan?

  Also, he's so wealthy, he doesn't have to do anything illegal.

• 24:15Speaker 03

  I was gonna say.

• 24:15Joe Rogan?

  But then again, people get fucking crazy greedy.

• 24:19Speaker 03

  They, yeah, they do. How much is enough?

• 24:21Joe Rogan?

  Well, they hang out with other billionaires, that's the problem.

• 24:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, and you're always comparing yourself to the guy who's got 3 billion. You got 1 billion, and you're not, how the fuck can you have that much money and not be happy? That's the part I don't understand.

• 24:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's what gets weird, but I get it. Like, if I hang out with Elon Musk, I feel poor.

• 24:36Speaker 03

  So does everybody else on the planet.

• 24:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you know?

• 24:39Speaker 03

  He's still the richest guy, right?

• 24:40Joe Rogan?

  When you meet like really, really rich people, you feel poor, even if you're really wealthy.

• 24:44Speaker 03

  Well, that's the funny, that's the funny thing with him. I always think, like, right now, the past couple of weeks in particular, it seems like people are just losing their shit and dropping onto the fainting couch over the idea that he's accessing your, your, your private information, right? What's he gonna do? He's accessing your private information. And you think, okay, well, first of all, I don't think the guy is, is looking to scam you out of 500 bucks, right?

• 25:04Joe Rogan?

  Right, but he, the, the argument's good. Like, he shouldn't be able to scan your information, but-

• 25:09Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:09Joe Rogan?

  Also, is there any evidence that he's doing that? And here's the other question. Who else has access to this?

• 25:15Speaker 03

  Well, it turns out- Just about every company out there.

• 25:17Joe Rogan?

  Turns out, a lot of people have access to this. Even students that are interns, who work in the department, have access to this.

• 25:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think what they're doing is they're-

• 25:25Joe Rogan?

  They're making an argument, and it's a good one, right? If you have, look, if he was evil, if you do have this evil billionaire who wants to control the world and has access to everyone's credit card and just steals all your money, or does whatever.

• 25:38Speaker 03

  Didn't that used to be Jeff Bezos? I thought, I thought he was the guy who they were focused on.

• 25:43Joe Rogan?

  Well, they were for a while, but he's just ballin'. Jeff is just like hanging out on his yacht, bagging his super hot wife, like, he's having a good time.

• 25:52Speaker 03

  That sounds, that sounds a lot better than like chasing government waste and fraud.

• 25:56Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and like, I remember when Elon Musk was criticizing him for not working hard enough, I'm like, wait a minute, what is work for? That guy's got $200 billion. I think you can chill.

• 26:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:08Joe Rogan?

  When you get $200 billion, then it's time to get that fucking crazy yacht.

• 26:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, once you start launching your own rocket ships.

• 26:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you gotta rocket shape like a dick. You're literally trying to fuck space.

• 26:17Speaker 03

  Austin Powers.

• 26:18Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, have a good time. I like the way Jeff Bezos is doing it.

• 26:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 26:22Joe Rogan?

  I mean, but I'm, I appreciate the fact that Elon is so psychotic in his drive. It's bizarre, but, and also in the face of overwhelming hate.

• 26:31Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. It is, it is, it, I mean, part of me finds it very entertaining. Part of me just looks at it and goes, all you gotta, I mean, I think they, what they're having a problem with is two things, is the, the messaging and the means of doing this, right? Everybody, you would think, would agree that, oh, you're gonna go through government spending with a fine-tooth comb? You're gonna, you're gonna find the waste and abuse and fraud? Fantastic.

• 26:54Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is one of the things that Clinton ran on.

• 26:57Speaker 03

  Right.

• 26:57Joe Rogan?

  And, and implemented during his first term.

• 27:00Speaker 03

  Actually implemented. Yeah, there were.

• 27:01Joe Rogan?

  Very effectively, by the way, and it was a huge boon to our economy.

• 27:04Speaker 03

  Yeah, and, and, but, again, the messaging was different.

• 27:07Joe Rogan?

  But it's also.

• 27:08Speaker 03

  And the means were different.

• 27:09Joe Rogan?

  The Democrats were different. That was a different kind of a Democrat. That was the kind of Democrat I would vote for right now. I'd vote for Bill Clinton, despite all the blowjobs and all the crazy shit.

• 27:18Speaker 03

  Well, but you weren't involved in that, so.

• 27:20Joe Rogan?

  I think that they all did that. I think you get two types of people who want to be president, pussy hounds and war mongers. I prefer pussy hounds.

• 27:30Speaker 03

  Well, but you could be both.

• 27:31Joe Rogan?

  Yes, you could be Genghis Khan.

• 27:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 27:35Joe Rogan?

  Use both.

• 27:36Speaker 03

  Good use of the pronunciation, Genghis.

• 27:38Joe Rogan?

  Well, that, I'm actually listening to an amazing podcast I'd love to recommend to everybody, because Elon recommended it on X, and I've been listening to it. It's fucking great. Uh, Fall of Civilizations podcast, they're doing a series on the Mongols right now, uh, Terror in the Steps, and I am, uh, listening to it right now, so that's why I'm saying Genghis correctly.

• 27:59Speaker 03

  Okay, no, that's great. All right.

• 28:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they even explained the pronunciation. They explained where it came from and how, how it got fucked up over the years of translation into languages that didn't have cheng, and they didn't have that sound. And so, Chenghis Khan became Genghis Khan, you know, especially when European languages started translating it.

• 28:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, that makes, yeah, everything I know about Khan, I learned from, uh, Mulan.

• 28:24Joe Rogan?

  Do you know they didn't even fucking know about this whole story until the 1800s? They they found a Chinese book and the Chinese book was written, they thought it was nonsense. They couldn't figure out what it was saying because it was written where the Chinese characters made the Mongol sounds of the words. And so they had to translate it from Chinese to the Mongolian language. And then they realized this was the history of Genghis Khan and the Khan Empire.

• 28:51Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah.

• 28:52Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking, the the the secret history of the Mongols. It's fucking amazing. This document, this podcast is fantastic.

• 28:59Speaker 03

  Yeah, that that's that does sound great because again, I think um when you consider how we're all apparently carrying some of his DNA around.

• 29:06Joe Rogan?

  Not us.

• 29:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, not us.

• 29:07Joe Rogan?

  Not Europeans, mostly Asians, right?

• 29:09Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 29:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, I have a little Asian in me, I have like one percent Asian.

• 29:12Speaker 03

  Really?

• 29:13Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, yeah, one percent Asian, close to two percent African. It's like the the but I'm from Sicily, my my ancestors, and so I think

• 29:21Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 29:21Joe Rogan?

  those are the ones that got raped by the Moors.

• 29:26Joe Rogan?

  That's in the movie True Romance, remember?

• 29:28Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 29:29Joe Rogan?

  Remember that scene? Yeah, Christopher Walken.

• 29:31Speaker 03

  Uh, Christian Slater? No, not Christian Slater, uh, Christopher Walken.

• 29:35Joe Rogan?

  Who was it with him?

• 29:37Speaker 03

  True Romance. There was a whole, there's a whole series of people, Bruce Dern.

• 29:41Joe Rogan?

  Right, who's who's

• 29:42Speaker 03

  No, no, Dennis Hopper.

• 29:43Joe Rogan?

  Dennis Hopper.

• 29:44Speaker 03

  Dennis Hopper, that's right.

• 29:45Joe Rogan?

  That's right, Christopher Walken and Dennis Hopper, right? Is that who it was?

• 29:48Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's who it was. They had, they had a, I remember that they had a scene together that I remember.

• 29:52Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, that movie's good.

• 29:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 29:54Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, that movie's good. That is a great fucking movie.

• 29:57Speaker 03

  But uh, but yeah, I think um if if if they had come in, if the administration had come in and said, here's what we're going to do. We are going to root out waste and fraud. We're going to go after, you know, every dollar that's not spent on behalf of the American public and our national security, uh, and advancing American interests. Um, and we're going to do it in this efficient, you know, manner. But, you know, and and again, don't get me wrong. I think sometimes, you know, the disruption of fast action is is extremely beneficial at times. And you sometimes you can't see the benefit until other things happen outside the the bubble that we may be looking in. But I think that um if they had, if they had messaged it a little bit differently and then with the means of,

• 30:40Speaker 03

  rather than taking a blowtorch to everything, um, because and and again, not saying that it can't be effective, but what I'm saying is that they're losing They're losing, I think, important opportunity from a goodwill perspective. And I know they probably don't give a fuck anymore, but all those people who voted, right, for them this time around, gave them that chance that didn't the previous time. They said, oh, fuck it, I'm so tired with the Biden administration and all this bullshit. They, you know, they need to see, I think, more stability, less chaos. And I think the Democrats are very good. I think we all thought perhaps that the progressives, the Democrats, were just going to go into a cave and hide, but they're regrouping, right? And they're, they're, they're starting to come back. They're growing beards. They're all getting on testosterone. Yeah, that's right.

• 31:24Speaker 03

  Suddenly, the toxic male is very attractive. You know, shame they don't have any. But I think that, I think that if they, if you give them ammunition, obviously, they're going to take advantage of it. Yeah, for sure. And I think some of the, some of the approach to this, again, not saying it's wrong in the sense of let's find that, that waste and fraud, but they're giving them opportunities to start firing back.

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• 33:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think the problem is they're trying to do it very quickly because they want to get a lot done before the midterms, right? So they only have 24 months to enact real change.

• 33:18Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:19Joe Rogan?

  And, you know, did you see Kevin O'Leary talking about on CNN?

• 33:22Speaker 03

  Uh-uh.

• 33:23Joe Rogan?

  He was saying they're not doing enough. They should cut more. He's like, if you want to, because he's talking about it from an entrepreneur's perspective.

• 33:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:29Joe Rogan?

  If you're taking over like a failing company that's filled with bloat and waste, and he's like, that is the government. He goes, "You gotta cut more." He goes, "Cut everything. Cut it all out and then find out what's necessary and rebuild it from there."

• 33:39Speaker 03

  Well, I would argue...

• 33:40Joe Rogan?

  Because he's saying it on ESPN, excuse me, on CNN, and CNN, they're like, "Ooh! Ooh! Paddies are in a wad."

• 33:48Speaker 03

  Oh, my God. Well, the five people that watch CNN still were probably...

• 33:51Joe Rogan?

  There's probably 20.

• 33:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 33:53Joe Rogan?

  But the thing about it is, they're all united in their message, whether it's MSNBC. I watched MSNBC the other day in the gym. Oh, my God, it was awesome motivation to work out because these people look morbidly obese. And they were given, they had this language that they were speaking. It was like, almost like they were translating from another language. Like, it was all, like, it didn't make sense. It's like, you know, "We're in danger." You know, we're, it was the way they were talking, it's like, "My people feel, my people feel like they're in danger, like they're being criminalized."

• 34:27Speaker 03

  Oh, good, yeah.

• 34:28Joe Rogan?

  We are, you know, "We're being, we're being pushed out of society. We're being told we don't exist." And then, of course, you have to say you're an ally of the LBGQ plus AI.

• 34:38Speaker 03

  You have to be an ally.

• 34:39Joe Rogan?

  They're digging their heels in on all that stuff, though, which is, that's not gonna win anymore. That's, that's too crazy. Even like, kind progressive people realize, like, you know, "You've done a weird thing with, with women's sports. You've done a weird thing with the safety of women in bathrooms." And it's not to say that some of these people who are legitimate trans people, who really do just want to use the women's room and be treated like a woman, that's true, too, but you open the door for perverts, and you're not admitting that.

• 35:07Speaker 03

  Right.

• 35:08Joe Rogan?

  You open the do, you're just allowing guys with beers and hard dicks to wander around the women's room.

• 35:12Speaker 03

  And how tough is it to just have a, have a, whatever, a unisex bathroom, right? Most places, a lot of places do, right? So you go, "Fine, do that."

• 35:19Joe Rogan?

  As long as it's not a big bathroom. The problem is a group, if it's all single bathrooms, but that's not economically feasible at like, a stadium.

• 35:26Speaker 03

  Right.

• 35:27Joe Rogan?

  You know, and that's, that's where it becomes a problem. And then, it's also this like, weird cultural line, where it'd be like, "Which bathroom do you get to use?" It's like, this is like a thing in Congress, right? Because there's that one trans person... In congress, who by the way, said that they do not want to use the women's room. So it's not even an issue.

• 35:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, I, I, and I think-

• 35:44Joe Rogan?

  Notice how I said they?

• 35:45Speaker 03

  That was-

• 35:47Joe Rogan?

  That's very good, right? You're, you're- It danced the line.

• 35:49Speaker 03

  You're very sensitive. People always say that, how goddamn Rogan is so sensitive. Uh, but I think if, if, yeah, if, most, most folks, right, who are in alternative, you know, lifestyles, whatever, however you want to put it.

• 36:02Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 36:02Speaker 03

  I think, yeah, they, they just want to get on with it, right? They want to be accepted. Um, they don't want to make, you know, and people make a fuss over, they just want to move on. And then you've got a small minority that just can't seem to get enough attention. And when they can't get enough attention, then they do something, you know, even more wacky.

• 36:16Joe Rogan?

  Well, I think it's, it's a problem with a lot of the people that are quote unquote leftist in general, is that they've been bullied and picked on all their life. And they've been fucked with, and now they have a gang.

• 36:28Speaker 03

  Mm-hmm.

• 36:29Joe Rogan?

  And now they're gonna go fuck with other people.

• 36:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's not much of a gang though, is it, really?

• 36:32Joe Rogan?

  But it's online, the words-

• 36:34Speaker 03

  That's true.

• 36:35Joe Rogan?

  The words they use online, they, it's like very attacking.

• 36:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:39Joe Rogan?

  You know, it's like, this is like a core aspect of progressives right now online, is that when they're tweeting about stuff, and when they're posting about stuff, it's very aggressive and very angry and insulting.

• 36:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 36:54Joe Rogan?

  And that this is, this is their way to demean, whether it's Pete Hegseth, or Cash Patel, or any of these people that are involved, or RFK Junior, any of these people that are involved, even Tulsi. They, it's like the way they're doing it is like, it's not about policy, or agreeing or disagreeing about perspectives, or the way they're, they're choosing to govern. It's not that.

• 37:18Speaker 03

  Well, I think they're angry because for a while, right, the mob rule was working.

• 37:23Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 37:23Speaker 03

  And everybody, you know, was, was being, you know, silenced from the bullying, or the fear of being bullied, so-

• 37:30Joe Rogan?

  And it lasted for so long.

• 37:31Speaker 03

  It lasted for years, right? You think about it.

• 37:34Joe Rogan?

  It lasted until Elon bought Twitter, really. Realistically.

• 37:37Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I think that's fair.

• 37:39Joe Rogan?

  If he hadn't done that, and they were all controlled by the left, do you think Facebook would have like loosened up their grip?

• 37:44Speaker 03

  No.

• 37:44Joe Rogan?

  I don't think so.

• 37:45Speaker 03

  Well, look, Meta, Alphabet, they're all, they're all kind of rewriting, toning down their, their DEI policies, right?

• 37:51Joe Rogan?

  I think that's also because Zuckerberg started doing jujitsu. I really do.

• 37:56Speaker 03

  They start taking testosterone.

• 37:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, shout out to John Machado.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 37:59Joe Rogan?

  Jiu Jitsu changed your, your mind, man. It'll change who you are. You'll realize like, there's reality in this world.

• 38:06Speaker 03

  He's looking a lot more manly.

• 38:07Joe Rogan?

  He does, looks a lot more manly.

• 38:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:09Joe Rogan?

  He's got a thick neck now. I think that has a lot to do with it, because you start looking at things from a more libertarian perspective, from a merit-based perspective.

• 38:16Speaker 03

  Well, also, you know, you're just, you're, you're burning fuel, you're feeling better, you're, you're focused on something other than your own inner angst. Or how do you fit in with this, this, again, I, look, everybody just should be able to live their life.

• 38:31Joe Rogan?

  Absolutely.

• 38:31Speaker 03

  And.

• 38:32Joe Rogan?

  That's what we all need to concentrate on. Everybody just live, as long as you're not hurting anybody else with the way you live your life.

• 38:37Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 38:38Joe Rogan?

  Live your life. If you want to wear a dress, oh, God bless you.

• 38:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 38:41Joe Rogan?

  God bless everybody. Just be nice. And I think most of the people, the reason why they're not nice is because people have been not nice to them. You know, that's that old expression, hurt people, hurt people.

• 38:50Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:51Joe Rogan?

  And the way to, to fucking unite us is not to keep hurting people. It just doesn't make any sense to me.

• 38:56Speaker 03

  No, I think, and it's simple enough. I honestly, I don't, I don't care. Someone's got an alternative lifestyle. Now, I don't need to play along with their, the imaginary idea that a dude's gonna have a baby or can, you know.

• 39:06Joe Rogan?

  I liked.

• 39:06Speaker 03

  Breastfeed or whatever.

• 39:08Joe Rogan?

  There's this one TikTok person who trolls.

• 39:11Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 39:12Joe Rogan?

  And I don't even know if it's a biological woman, because that's one thing that the trans people are very upset with. There's a lot of like, really hot OnlyFans girls that are pretending to be trans and they put like, a fake dick in their underwear.

• 39:23Speaker 03

  No.

• 39:23Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they're like, super hot. And so the actual trans people are very upset, and get ready for this. Their argument is, my identity is not a costume for you to wear. Like, wait a minute.

• 39:36Speaker 03

  Hold on a second.

• 39:37Joe Rogan?

  Hang on. Because, that's a real woman, bro. You're already doing that with her, like, and like, she's just got a rubber dick in her pants for money.

• 39:48Speaker 03

  There's no, there really is no, I keep waiting for Jamie to throw one up on the screen. I'm like, oh my God. There's no, yeah, there, there's no self-awareness, or sense of irony.

• 39:57Joe Rogan?

  So this one lady who's like, I think it's a lady, I think she's a lady who's a troll. And she said that she went to some country and got a chromosome change and a uterus installed, and now she's pregnant, and she like.

• 40:13Joe Rogan?

  And I just read the comments and people were fucking going crazy. It's a bunch of like sub 90 people, IQ people in the comments, just fucking having strokes.

• 40:25Speaker 03

  That's, that is the best part. When somebody throws some shit out there and people buy into it, right? And they're like, yeah, yeah.

• 40:30Joe Rogan?

  Well, I buy into some of the dumb ones sometimes. I have to send them to Jamie.

• 40:35Joe Rogan?

  Me and Jamie have to sort out what the fuck is real now. It's so hard to tell. I see things from myself that aren't real. I saw me, um, doing, or I didn't see me, I heard my voice over some narration of something, of some TikTok story. And I was like, I never saw this. I never, this is not me saying this. It's all done through AI. I'm like, this is crazy.

• 40:58Speaker 03

  You're a prime case study for the impact and effects of, and the sort of the, the, um, you know, the downside of AI.

• 41:07Joe Rogan?

  Oh, for sure with my voice.

• 41:08Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 41:09Joe Rogan?

  You know, and I guess now with video as well, you know, if you wanted to have a podcast video of me doing something.

• 41:14Speaker 03

  Oh, absolutely. Yeah.

• 41:15Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's, it's pretty wild now that, I mean, we have a little bit of a problem where a bunch of people are selling like cheap things online and using my voice and we have to get them removed.

• 41:24Speaker 03

  Okay, yeah.

• 41:25Joe Rogan?

  But that's just, you know, that's just opportunists or taking advantage, you know, you're selling protein powders that I've never seen before. All that kind of shit.

• 41:32Speaker 03

  Right.

• 41:32Joe Rogan?

  They're doing that with my voice.

• 41:34Speaker 03

  I mean, there's, there's very few, we've talked about it before, there's very few because the, the idea was always sort of detection, right? Okay, we gotta create better systems to detect, uh, deep fakes.

• 41:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 41:44Speaker 03

  Right. Um, and, but now I think the focus, the focus has rightly shifted from sort of the detection to more proactive, um, protection of material, right? So, so get it at the moment of creation. Um, embed, uh, the ability within the, the video clip, the audio clip, whatever, to show that you've got, uh, proof of, of, uh, whatever you want to call it, reality, credibility, authenticity. And that's the way it's all going because you, you just can't keep up with your, if all you're doing is trying to create better systems to detect deep fakes, it's a losing game, right? It's like, it's like battling terrorists because, you know, you're coming up with a, an IT to prevent a terrorist attack based on the last terrorist attack. And they're on to something else.

• 42:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 42:28Speaker 03

  So it's it's an interesting world. There's not that many companies out there that are doing a great job of it. But there are some.

• 42:34Joe Rogan?

  It's gonna get to a point where it's impossible to tell. And I think that's not far away.

• 42:39Speaker 03

  I think we're there.

• 42:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, it's pretty close.

• 42:41Speaker 03

  Most people aren't curious, right? Most people are, or they don't have time, or they're not cynical, right? And so most people are willing to to look at something and go, yeah, you know, I mean, unless it's just clearly bullshit. But for the most part, if it's if it's a half decent fake, right?

• 42:58Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 42:59Speaker 03

  I think most people will accept it and move on.

• 43:01Joe Rogan?

  I like the ones that are, they're obvious. They're really good, but they're obvious fakes. Like, did you see the one with Kamala Harris after she lost the presidency, she's wearing a bikini top, walking with a beer, says unemployed?

• 43:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 43:14Joe Rogan?

  That's good. I mean, it's But it's obvious that it's not real.

• 43:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:16Joe Rogan?

  So it's okay. Like, the ones where Trump's playing the guitar, and then there's all these other people, like Putin's in the background with the drums. Have you seen that one?

• 43:23Speaker 03

  That is good. There are, there's, there's one where I haven't, I don't think I've seen the one with him playing the drums. But I've seen them where there's a whole series of world leaders and they're, they're, they're in a ballad together.

• 43:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 43:34Speaker 03

  It's fantastic.

• 43:35Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the, the, the one with Trump playing guitar, it's, I think they're doing, it's Fortunate Son, right? It is, right? I think it's on my, it's on my Instagram, right?

• 43:43Speaker 03

  Creedence Clearwater Revival.

• 43:44Joe Rogan?

  It's so good, and it's obviously fake.

• 43:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 43:47Joe Rogan?

  That's why I like it. It's like, it's not tricking me, but I'm like, wow, that's really good.

• 43:51Speaker 03

  It's, I mean, it's, and it's interesting. I mean, again, talking about regulatory policy not catching up, I mean, and what do you do, right?

• 43:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 43:58Speaker 03

  Like, if you were in Europe, right, you could, you, you could be fined and jailed, right? For, in, in, in a case for, like, pushing something that's disinformation or whatever. Or just, or you're just goofing, right?

• 44:10Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you can't goof.

• 44:11Speaker 03

  But you can't, you know, if it's an obvious, to your point, if it's an obvious goof, then, okay, you can probably get away with it. Maybe not if you're in Germany or somewhere, but.

• 44:19Joe Rogan?

  Germany's going crazy.

• 44:20Speaker 03

  They are going crazy. And, and they weren't happy with J D Vance's speech. I'll tell you that much.

• 44:25Joe Rogan?

  I wonder why.

• 44:26Speaker 03

  Nobody in the EU was happy. The head of the Munich Security Conference literally cried after the speech. When, when they were addressing EU leaders following the speech, right? Talking about, you know, the impact and what it might have meant for US-EU relations and everything. Literally tears being shed over, over J D Vance's speech.

• 44:46Joe Rogan?

  What was it about his speech in particular that was offensive?

• 44:50Speaker 03

  Well, I think what they were anticipating at the Munich Security Conference was he was going to come in and he was going to talk about, obviously, the number one topic on the table for them was Ukraine. And, you know, where are we going with that? Because, obviously, the EU leaders are now very concerned about US commitment to NATO. What is the Trump administration, you know, planning on doing in terms of further support for Ukraine, really, further support for NATO? They're looking to distance themselves. And Vance, instead, came in and didn't really focus on any of that shit. He turned it on to the European Union, into EU countries and the UK, the UK in particular, talking about how, you know, their biggest threat isn't necessarily Russia or China.

• 45:32Speaker 03

  Their biggest threat is what they're doing to themselves in terms of suppressing free speech from all the various groups out there, including conservative groups, far-left, whatever, determining that, you know, this type of speech is illegal. We're going to pursue you, we're going to fine you, we're going to jail you. Armed raids against people that are, you know, pushing content online. So, he made it-

• 45:54Joe Rogan?

  Including anti-immigrant content.

• 45:56Speaker 03

  Anti-immigrant content. But, to be fair, right? I mean, most of Europe, at this point, is pretty fed up with the immigration policies that their leaders have-

• 46:04Joe Rogan?

  Which is why they want to suppress the dissent online.

• 46:07Speaker 03

  Exactly.

• 46:08Joe Rogan?

  They're not doing it because they genuinely think this is a moral and ethical thing to do. They're doing it because they sense an uprising.

• 46:14Speaker 03

  Yeah, and they rightly should. Look, Olaf Scholz, the German chancellor, he's not getting re-elected. Their election is coming up here in shortly. And, so, it's not going to happen for him. So, I think, yeah, they're rightly, not rightly, but they are concerned about their own political power. That's-

• 46:30Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is, and that's what people need to understand.

• 46:32Speaker 03

  It's not rocket science.

• 46:33Joe Rogan?

  It's not that the Europeans are the kinder, more progressive. No, they understand that it's coming.

• 46:40Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:40Joe Rogan?

  And they want to do everything they can to stop it, because most people are fed up. Most people just want to be left the fuck alone.

• 46:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:46Joe Rogan?

  And if you tell them that they can't put a flag meme on one of their Facebook pages or they get arrested, which is what happened in Germany-

• 46:54Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, or talk about, so if you talk about the immigration problem and you say, "Look, we gotta stop this, we gotta, you know, maybe secure borders." If you talk about the Ukraine war and say, "I don't think we should be supporting, you know, dumping more resource into Ukraine." All those things, or reproductive rights, if you're on the wrong side of that from a European perspective, you know, they're coming after you and so that's what J.D. Vance came after. He turned the tables on them and focused on that. And that was, A, it was completely unexpected, and B, I think, you know, the reality of it, the fact that it's truthful, I think upset a lot of them.

• 47:27Joe Rogan?

  It's truthful and it also appeals to their citizens. That's the thing. The citizens say, "This is the way we want our government to talk."

• 47:35Speaker 03

  Yeah. And I think it's funny because a lot of people on, you know, there's a lot of people on social media right now going, "Oh, my God, you don't realize how hated, you know, you are now as Americans and the US is so hated." And I think, like, I spent most of my time overseas, right? And most people are going, "Yeah, it seems like it's common sense. You guys are finally coming around," right? And so I don't think they're gonna win the argument that somehow the US is more hated. Look, we've been hated in a variety of locations.

• 48:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, we definitely are hated in Canada right now.

• 48:02Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 48:03Joe Rogan?

  See their hockey game? See, we're booing the national anthem so hard that they're getting three fights in the first nine minutes?

• 48:10Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:11Joe Rogan?

  And then we kick Canada's ass, sorry, Canada, in Canada, which is not good, because that's their fucking sport. That's basically their only shot at beating us at anything.

• 48:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, curling, curling.

• 48:21Joe Rogan?

  They might be able to win at that. But if we practice it, we'd be better at that, too.

• 48:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:25Joe Rogan?

  Like, they make great mixed martial arts fighters, one of the greatest of all time, George C. and Pierre's from Canada.

• 48:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 48:30Joe Rogan?

  But after that...

• 48:32Speaker 03

  Let me think.

• 48:33Joe Rogan?

  Get your football team, come fuck with America.

• 48:35Speaker 03

  I'm trying to think of other things that I could throw out there.

• 48:37Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, then, maybe baseball, they got, Blue Jays are really good.

• 48:40Speaker 03

  Molson.

• 48:41Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they have strong beer.

• 48:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:43Joe Rogan?

  They have great people. I love Canada. I love the people.

• 48:45Speaker 03

  Likewise, yeah.

• 48:46Joe Rogan?

  It's just they're too nice and they let communists run their country.

• 48:49Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 48:50Joe Rogan?

  And that guy's a communist.

• 48:51Speaker 03

  Well, it is, it is one of those moments where you think, "Okay, I understand, I get your point," you know, the talk about turning Canada into a 51st state.

• 48:59Joe Rogan?

  That's a little crazy.

• 49:00Speaker 03

  That's a little crazy.

• 49:02Joe Rogan?

  He's serious. He told me on the phone he was serious.

• 49:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, at first I was joking around, but then I was thinking, "Maybe it's not a bad idea." Now I think he keeps talking, he refers to him as Governor Trudeau. It's so funny.

• 49:15Speaker 03

  You know what I love is, I was just out in the Middle East for some things, including the amazing trek with the guys from the SF Club. And it was right during the period of time when President Trump announced his idea during that press conference with Netanyahu. About, "Look, we're gonna, we're gonna own, the US is gonna own Gaza."

• 49:37Joe Rogan?

  Did you see a look on Netanyahu's face when he was saying that?

• 49:39Speaker 03

  Yes, which was priceless.

• 49:40Joe Rogan?

  Netanyahu was like, "What in the fuck did I get into?"

• 49:43Speaker 03

  And now you know what they're all doing? The Israeli cabinet is fully on board with the idea. In part because I think they understand that, okay, look, this is probably not gonna happen, but if we take this position, right? It's, it's going to create chaos. It's gonna create some movement, right? And maybe that leads to something of interest. And I think when, being out in the Middle East, when that idea came out and hearing some of the responses from people out there was, was amazing. But what I, what I like about it, look, you're not gonna move 2.3 million Palestinians out of Gaza, right? Because none of the Arab states want them. Egyptians have fought against this idea for years and years and years.

• 50:21Joe Rogan?

  That's a good point, and some that maybe a lot of people aren't aware of, is that the wall on the side of Egypt is way bigger than the wall on the side of Israel.

• 50:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 50:30Joe Rogan?

  That, that is an impenetrable wall that's heavily guarded. They do not want Palestinians coming into Egypt, which is kinda crazy.

• 50:37Speaker 03

  Well, it's from their perspective, look, it's a security issue. And there's, there's a lot of Palestinian refugees in Jordan, so it's not like Jordan hasn't tried to do their part. But they also, what are they gonna do? Absorb another million, 2 million Palestinians? No. So the, the problem from, from an operational perspective is, is it's unlikely to, to happen, right? And also, do you really want the US buying and owning Gaza, right? And then being out there, you think that, you think that the cost of, of supporting Ukraine is high. Wait till you see what the cost of not only the reconstruction, but the security of the reconstruction, right? What that's going to mean. You think, you think there was a boon in private security contractors during the Iraq incursions? This'll be, you know, this'll make that look like nothing.

• 51:22Joe Rogan?

  Right, because they gotta guard their investments.

• 51:24Speaker 03

  So, exactly. So the costs involved, the potential for, you know, just never-ending trouble. But, but what I do like about it is, look, now the- The Arab states are responding by having a summit, right? They're having a summit at the end of this month and they've already, they've been having little mini discussions amongst themselves, but, but all the key players in the area are now meeting to discuss what's an alternative, right? What, what is the way to make this happen? And, you know, it's not going to be by the US owning it and building the Riviera, right? Or a series of casinos, but the Arab states are, are having to react. And they're, and so what that means is nothing's worked beforehand, right?

• 52:07Speaker 03

  Nothing entirely to state, you know, option, other security agreements, peace agreements that have held for some period of time and then fallen apart. None of that shit's worked. So I think the, the, sort of the disruptive aspect of sometimes of what Trump does, even though you may look at the idea on the surface and go, it's not going to work, you have these other effects, right? And so now you've got the Arab states having to respond, coming up with these ideas, they're already over the past couple of days saying, well Hamas can't play a role. If you had said that a year ago, Egypt and Qatar and some of these other Arab states out there would have gotten on board with the idea that Hamas has got to go, that wouldn't have happened, right? I mean, before the 7th October attacks.

• 52:50Joe Rogan?

  Right, they're also talking about rebuilding it themselves. They're like, we'll, we'll do it, we'll do it, just back off, we'll do it, we'll take care of it.

• 52:58Speaker 03

  Which is great.

• 52:59Joe Rogan?

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• 54:27Joe Rogan?

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• 54:38Speaker 03

  Right, that's because they know what the problem is. And they haven't been willing to admit it before, but because the Trump administration just thrown stuff at the wall, right, to see what sticks, they've got to respond. And so now they're coming up with these ideas. Look, Hamas, you know, they are a shell of what they were, right? But they're still supported by the Iranian regime, which is a big problem, right? And the Iranian regime, you know, do you think they don't want peace? They don't want stability, right? That's not in the books. One of the benefits from their perspective of the 7 October attacks was that it completely scuttled the normalization talks that were going on between Saudi and Israel and the US at the time.

• 55:21Speaker 03

  So, you know, they're going to continue to be a problem. But Hamas, you know, is now kind of on its back foot. The Palestinian Authority is saying, well, we'll come in and we'll govern Gaza. Well, the Israelis are saying, no, no, that's not going to happen either because you guys are, you know, peas in a pod, right? And, you know... Palestinian Authority has a program where they actually pay the families of people who killed Israelis, right? It's called the Pay to Slay program.

• 55:50Joe Rogan?

  Really?

• 55:51Speaker 03

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 55:52Joe Rogan?

  That's what it's called?

• 55:52Speaker 03

  Yep, Pay to Slay.

• 55:54Joe Rogan?

  How much do you get paid?

• 55:55Speaker 03

  You know what, I'm not sure what the going rate is now, but you know, for out there, it's, you know, it's a payment, ongoing payments to families who have family members who have attacked, wounded, or killed Israelis. And so, you know, that plus, you know, other ties between Hamas and the PA, and look, there's been animosity, obviously. Hamas drove the Palestinian Authority out of Gaza years ago, but, you know, the Israelis see it as the same. And so, you know, my point being is the Arab states are now reacting, and you could end up with something that actually works, as opposed to all the bullshit in the past that never did work, and always, and it continued to, you know, provide nothing for the Palestinian people.

• 56:40Speaker 03

  And if, you know, if you say, "Look, all this is about is we want the Palestinians to live a better life," then you should want new ideas thrown at the wall, right? And you should want something that eventually is going to work. And from a US perspective, you should want something where the Arab states actually take it on board themselves.

• 56:55Joe Rogan?

  There's also a problem with the reality of the region at this point, right? It's like, what do you want to happen to that area, because someone has to rebuild it? Look, absolutely, Israel shouldn't have done what they did and killed who knows how many innocent people and literally destroyed most of the buildings there. We all can agree that's a horrible thing, but it's done. So now what?

• 57:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, and we can also agree that it was not, look, yeah, I agree. It was a very aggressive action. I would argue that the US would engage in that same aggressive action if we had had a proportionate, you know, attack.

• 57:34Joe Rogan?

  From Mexico or something like that.

• 57:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, so, or Canada.

• 57:36Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 57:37Speaker 03

  Goddamn Canadians. They're plotting something, I just know it. So if, if...

• 57:44Speaker 03

  You know, so that's true, but again, it was a war that Hamas started. Right, they, you know, I think you have to go back to the beginning of this one. And yes, there's fault on both sides, of course. But, you know, Hamas now, at times, has been acting like the aggrieved party.

• 57:58Joe Rogan?

  It's fuck around and find out in the worst way possible.

• 58:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:02Joe Rogan?

  That's what it is. I mean, they gave Israel the green light to just go ham. And now, when you see the overhead drone footage of what Gaza looks like now, it's hard to even believe that it's real. It's, everything's gone.

• 58:15Speaker 03

  Yeah, which is, which I get it. I mean, from a real estate developer's perspective, I'm sure he's seen overhead imagery.

• 58:20Joe Rogan?

  Gonna turn it into the Mediterranean of the Middle East.

• 58:23Speaker 03

  This looks like a demolition site, so let's, let's clear it out.

• 58:26Joe Rogan?

  The real question is, if that doesn't, okay, then what?

• 58:29Speaker 03

  Then what?

• 58:30Joe Rogan?

  If you don't want that to happen, then what? If the United States doesn't take it over, or who, who should? And what do you do with it? And how do you get the money to rebuild it? And where does it come from? And how do you do it? Who, who, who do you bring in to rebuild it? Who governs it? How does that work? Who gets what building? How does it work?

• 58:48Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:49Joe Rogan?

  You know, there's, it's a very complicated thing when you destroy an entire fucking city.

• 58:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 58:54Joe Rogan?

  Which is, see if you can find some of that overhead footage.

• 58:56Speaker 03

  And when, yeah, when you're talking about, you know, moving out 2.3 million people to other areas.

• 59:01Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 59:01Speaker 03

  Um, but I, look, I think, again, the answer is that the, the Arab states have to take this on. Right, they finally have to address this issue. They've used the Palestine, some of them have used the Palestinian issue to their own devices.

• 59:13Joe Rogan?

  Here it is.

• 59:13Speaker 03

  Without doing anything to the benefit of the Palestinians.

• 59:15Joe Rogan?

  Look at this footage. This is unbelievable. I mean, this looks like they got hit with an asteroid.

• 59:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:23Joe Rogan?

  It's unbelievable, the scope of it. It's just insane.

• 59:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:28Joe Rogan?

  It's insane to see.

• 59:31Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:32Joe Rogan?

  Dave Smith had a very good take on this. He was on one of those Pierce Morgan, everybody yells at everybody panels, which are really fun for about five minutes. But let me, uh, send Jamie what Dave said, because Dave had, in my opinion, the best take on this. Where it's like, you, you see, you're like, okay, yeah. That's, that's correct. This is, uh... This is the way to look at it, I think.

• 59:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 59:57Joe Rogan?

  It's like, yeah.

• 59:59Speaker 03

  It's, it's, look, it's, again, I think you, unless, I don't know who would be on board.

• 1:00:07Speaker 03

  Take, take it from, you know, beyond this, sort of the initial sentence of the US will take ownership. Oh, here we go.

• 1:00:14Speaker 04

  I'm guessing if this is it, I don't know if I.

• 1:00:17Speaker 03

  Is that Dean Cain on the right? No.

• 1:00:19Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 1:00:20Speaker 03

  It is?

• 1:00:21Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:00:21Speaker 03

  Superman.

• 1:00:22Speaker 04

  I don't know if this is the right rant, I didn't click it from you.

• 1:00:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:25Speaker 04

  The one you sent, if you just sent.

• 1:00:26Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, click the one I sent. It might, it's probably the same one.

• 1:00:32Speaker 03

  Sometimes I love these Pierce Morgan panels, you never know who you're gonna show up in one of those boxes.

• 1:00:38Speaker 03

  And it's a bizarre mix of people.

• 1:00:39Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:43Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:00:46Speaker 03

  It's just like the commentary for Wimbledon, where we just don't say anything.

• 1:00:50Speaker 05

  Pictures of Gaza? Are you telling me there was Hamas, there were Hamas missiles in every single one of those buildings, that that's the entirety of the story? Is that Israel just had to blow up this building? Which, by the way, still, I don't think would be morally justified. But like, come on, man. Look, like, it's just, again, even to Dean's point, I always find this fascinating, because somehow Americans could say this about the people in Hamas, and go like, you know, like you said, "Yeah, I wouldn't like to be kicked out of my neighborhood, but if my, if my government had done October 7th, I'd accept it." Your government, Dean, destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, the drone bombing campaign in Pakistan? So like, what are, can you get kicked out of your house now? Is it not ethnic cleansing if we were to kick you out of your neighborhood?

• 1:01:34Speaker 05

  This is so ridiculous, that we impose these standards on these poor people, that we would never dream of holding ourselves to that standard. It's just, it logically makes absolutely no sense, and it doesn't really matter what Hamas' approval rating is, in the same way that, it doesn't matter that George W. Bush had record-high approval ratings, that doesn't mean that the innocent civilians of the United States of America are fair game, and neither should any other group of civilians.

• 1:02:00Joe Rogan?

  Perfectly said.

• 1:02:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:02:02Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:02Speaker 03

  No, I mean, look, if you could do surgical strikes and do nothing but kill Hamas terrorists, great.

• 1:02:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:08Speaker 03

  Um, but, you know, that's not the real world. They, you know, Dave's talking about a world that we don't exist in, but I would argue, like, and that's, this is where we would differ. I like Dave Smith a lot, and I think he's incredibly intelligent. Um, but, you know, we fundamentally look at things sometimes in a different worldview because of our experiences, right? And my experience has been dealing with a lot of hostile actors who, you know, you may look at and think, okay, well, can't we just, I don't say we get along, but they exist and we exist and do we really, there, that's not the world we work in, right? And, and urban combat is really ugly. It's not dismissing, you know, the horrific nature of it and the fact that, yeah, sure, in a perfect world, it's morally repugnant, and

• 1:02:53Speaker 03

  it is, you know, but it's the world that we live in. So I think, okay, on one hand, I, I get what he's saying and I, and I don't disagree on that moral side of things, but, you know, from my background, I don't tend to live in that world. I tend to live in sort of the operational side of things and, you know, you, you, sometimes you have to do things that are not good.

• 1:03:13Joe Rogan?

  But even as extreme as that?

• 1:03:15Speaker 03

  Well, yeah.

• 1:03:16Joe Rogan?

  That's the thing. It's like, it's so extreme.

• 1:03:18Speaker 03

  Oh, I know. And, and I, and I don't disagree. And they have, uh, they, they went above and beyond. There's no doubt about it. Um, but to my point, and I think to kind of what he was saying, look, we, you know, if, if we did after nine 11, right, and we, we went above and beyond, you know, from a proportionate standpoint, and we felt certainly justified in doing it, right? We did, I mean, we did. America finally came together as a group, right, as opposed to sort of the partisan way that we live now, but, um...

• 1:03:46Joe Rogan?

  But we were justified based on a lie, which is even crazy, because they used that justification and went after a group of people that had nothing to do with it, based on a lie of weapons of mass destruction.

• 1:03:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:03:57Joe Rogan?

  Which is even crazier, right? We went to a completely different country.

• 1:04:00Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, I think Hamas, uh, uh, also, you know, these, these are disjointed statements, and I'm not really tying it all together very well at all, but, um, but, you know, there's also this element... Hamas doesn't give a shit about the Palestinian citizens, right, the civilians, I mean. And, you know, if they did, they wouldn't conduct their, their operations, their methodology would be different, right? They wouldn't, they wouldn't bury themselves in their operations and their command centers and everything that they do, right? Their, their depots, their missile weapons supply centers within the public environment, right? They, they just wouldn't, right? Well, they probably never expected this. Um, yeah, I don't know. I don't. There's no way they would have done October 7th if they expected this response.

• 1:04:45Speaker 03

  Well, there's no way that the Iranian regime, I think, would have allowed them to do this if they, if they anticipated they would get this sort of response. So I think you're right. Um, but, you know, and again, I'm, you know, this is, this is the problem. People, the people only hear what they want to hear, right? So they hear, they hear me say from an operational perspective, I kind of, I understand that they had an aggressive response and yet, but then they stopped listening, right? So what I'm saying is, was it over the top? Well, yes, it was over the top. And could they have been more surgical about this? Well, yes, they certainly could have. Um, could they have prevented some loss of civilian life? Well, yes. Would, would that have been a difficult? Well, yes. Why? Because Hamas puts themselves in the center of civilian life there. They know this is what's going to happen. This is their currency, dead Palestinians.

• 1:05:27Speaker 03

  Yeah, that drives their narrative and they always know it's going to turn against the Israelis as we're having these discussions. That's what happens and they've got enough of a track record to know that's what's going to happen. So they use it to their advantage, but, you know, again, it doesn't excuse the killing. I keep coming back to that same thing. You could have, you know, disparate multiple, you know, thoughts in your head at the same time, right? You can feel bad about that and at the same time you can go, yeah, it was fucked up what they did on 7th October. You're going to go after Hamas and then what you're going to find is urban combat is really, really fucking ugly, right? And you're going to have casualties that you really, really regret having. Um, were there more than, than needed? I would say yes.

• 1:06:06Speaker 03

  They didn't need the extent of their response, but I understand their mindset for, for why they went so hard after Hamas. This is decades and decades, you know, built up saying no more, right? We can't put up with this anymore. Now, again, the problem is. You know, the problem is not that, it's not really Hamas. I keep coming back to the same thing. The problem is that the instigator of all this trouble, the instigator of the vast majority of chaos and instability and violence and death in that region is the Iranian regime. Most Arab states will agree to that, maybe not the Yemenis, right? You know, but most of those Arab states are not going to be sad to see the Iranian regime fall for

• 1:06:48Speaker 03

  this very reason. Everybody wants a better life, right? However they perceive it. The Iranian regime, you know, the mullahs and the IRGC, you know, they've got a stated objective and they are pursuing that. As long as those people are in charge, right? You know, ultimately, we're not going to get a big sea change here. We're not going to get a huge shift in the way things go. But if you want a better life, then you've got to look to the, whatever you want to call it, the head of the snake or the, you know, the top of the mountain. There they are, the Iranian regime driving a lot of this chaos. So anyway, I'm getting away from the point, but I don't disagree with Dave. I always like a lot of the things that he says. I just think that we come at it sometimes from a much different perspective. I don't tend to believe that the world is full of

• 1:07:33Speaker 03

  good actors who are just trying to create a community of nations.

• 1:07:36Speaker 04

  I don't think that's his perspective either.

• 1:07:38Speaker 03

  I don't, I, well, yeah, um, yeah, I'm not putting it, I'm not putting it well, but I think what I mean is that there's, it's not, I was having a conversation the other day and it was about, it was about US involvement in a variety of groups, activities, associations over the years, looking to topple governments, looking to change, you know, the direction of a government, all the nefarious things that the CIA has been accused of over the years. And, and I was like, well...

• 1:08:15Speaker 03

  God damn, what did you expect? Of course, that's what we're doing, right? Of course, we're trying to influence hearts and minds. Of course, we're infiltrating organizations to try to influence the direction of a government. You know, you go all the way back to the Cold War, right? We were convinced the Russians or the Soviets were gonna blow us to hell, right? Of course, we're gonna be doing a variety of things. You want a government over there that's more friendly to you? Okay, how are we gonna go about doing that? Right? If that means VOA, or Voice of America, or that means infiltrating some organization that's gonna try to win them? Yeah, so, you know, is that morally repugnant? I don't know.

• 1:08:47Joe Rogan?

  But you think it's necessary?

• 1:08:49Speaker 03

  I think it's understandable, and I think also...

• 1:08:54Joe Rogan?

  So, imagine a world without that. So, if that is a vacuum, and we stop doing that entirely, all together, does that vacuum get filled up by another power?

• 1:09:07Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:09:08Joe Rogan?

  This is the problem, right?

• 1:09:10Speaker 03

  That's the problem, is that we don't live in a world of benign nations who, like, if we're not the police, you know, at the top of the food chain, nobody needs to be there. Someone's gonna fill that gap, and you know what? Maybe I'm wrong, but I've been around a long time, and I've spent most of it overseas in unusual places. We make a lot of mistakes as a country, it's a human endeavor, but we do try to correct, and it can take time, right? It can take a lot of time. We make a lot of mistakes, of course we do. But I've seen a lot of players out there, and I'd rather have us and our allies trying to direct traffic, rather than some of the hostile actors that are out there.

• 1:09:52Joe Rogan?

  This is the best-case scenario perspective. Worst-case scenario perspective is that these policy changes that we are initiating and that we are influencing is for corporations to make more money, is to control resources, and to control areas, and to make things friendlier for business. That's the worst-case scenario, is this is done in a mercenary fashion.

• 1:10:17Speaker 03

  Well, that's what...

• 1:10:18Joe Rogan?

  But is that...

• 1:10:19Speaker 03

  But that's what, I mean, that's what, the Chinese regime?

• 1:10:21Joe Rogan?

  Sure. But is that, here's my question, is that just what happens? Like, when you do have the ability to control other regimes, isn't it...

• 1:10:32Joe Rogan?

  Almost, doesn't it almost logical that you're gonna need a lot of money? And you're gonna need a lot of influence to do that? And so there's gonna be a bunch of people that say, "Actually, we could use some of those minerals." "Actually, you know, that natural gas is very valuable." "Actually, if we could destabilize Russia's energy systems and, you know, pump up Ukraine's and control it, "that'd be pretty good." And so then, we start initiating things. And we start the coup in Ukraine in 2014 and a bunch of different things. We started helping things along that would benefit us both geopolitically, "but also geopolitically in the sense that like you're controlling the geology of the land, "which is the real term geopolitical, right? "That's the real term, right?

• 1:11:16Joe Rogan?

  "Doesn't it have to do with, uh, like, controlling regions?"

• 1:11:20Speaker 03

  Well, sure, yeah, and I think that it's, uh, yeah, you're talking about national self-interest.

• 1:11:25Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:11:26Speaker 03

  I think in the world that we actually live in, every country is acting in its own self-interest.

• 1:11:33Joe Rogan?

  But then, it's also national self-interest that's kind of prostituted by corporations. This is what people are worried about, is that we engage in certain activity that's avoidable, "simply for profit."

• 1:11:47Speaker 03

  Uh, yes, absolutely. I don't think I stand down about that. I think, look, um...

• 1:11:53Joe Rogan?

  Which is what happens when you have a system like this, right? When you can influence foreign governments and you do have enormous amounts of resources "and you do have the ability to change things and install a government that's more friendly to..."

• 1:12:07Speaker 03

  But if you're not going...

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• 1:14:18Speaker 03

  I'm going to do that. Let me go back to the, I'll go to the Cold War because that's probably our best example of, of what happens when you, because you actually had, it wasn't just a unipolar world, right? You had, you had the Soviets and you had the US. Yes, there, there was, there was concern over, you know, life itself. There was this, there was this, you know, concern over mutual destruction. But there was concern over influence. So the Soviets were busy in a variety of places. Let's pick Africa, right? So in the mid to late 50s, right? As Africa was moving, you know, clearly, strongly away from colonialism,

• 1:15:02Speaker 03

  right? And independent states started, you know, sprouting up. Then

• 1:15:08Speaker 03

  There was this concern over, well, okay, the old colonial era is gone, right? The Belgians aren't going to own the Congo, as an example. The Congo is rich in resources, right? Uranium, cobalt, you know, diamonds, obviously, but let's, let's take uranium. The Belgians were running Congo when we were developing the bomb. And almost all that uranium came from the Congo, right? So that's a good example of the US looking and saying, okay, is the, are the Belgians, you know, good stewards of, of the Congo? Well, no, right?

• 1:15:51Speaker 03

  They were enslaving people and having them work in the uranium mines. And we were taking that uranium and using it to build the bomb, the Manhattan Project. Now, all those years later, I mean, the Congo, you know, realized its independence, you know, Patrice Lumumba and all, all the rest of that history, but now the Congo is, is wrapped up in conflict still. Why is it still in conflict? Because of its minerals. Cobalt now is the key, right? I mean, uranium you can get from a variety of places, Australia and elsewhere, Kazakhstan and a variety of other locations, but cobalt, they've got maybe 60%, don't quote me on that, but I think it's about that, of the world's cobalt supplies. What do you need cobalt for? Well, electric vehicles, batteries. Yeah.

• 1:16:35Speaker 03

  So now the eastern Congo is still in conflict. That place is a mess. So if it's not the poorest, that's just like the second or third poorest country in the world. And isn't most of those mines, they controlled by China? Well, a lot of them are controlled on the eastern side by militias, right? Congo's been a difficult place for everybody to try to wrap up licensing agreements, right? But, you know, you've got 100 plus militias out there vying for control because it's money, right? And, and so I guess my point is, is, I mean, and, you know, it's good you brought up China because yes, they've been busy trying to lock up a variety of locations in terms of critical minerals, and they've got a monopoly on refining those minerals, essentially at

• 1:17:18Speaker 03

  this point in time, but I just think it's, it's.

• 1:17:24Speaker 03

  I get, I, I, yeah, I'm, maybe what I'm surprised by, because I'm, I'm so fucking cynical, is, you know, the idea when, when, when you say, you know, it's, it's corporate interests, it's government interests, it's self-interest of a nation, you know, to pursue and do these things. I'll be honest with you, I look at it and go, well, yeah, of course it is. I, I don't know any other world, right? I don't know that we, we, we, we're not gonna walk that dog back over, you know, a couple thousand years, you know, people have been doing the same fucking thing, all human existence, I would argue.

• 1:17:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:17:57Speaker 03

  So, I just gotta look at it and I, and I, and I, you know, maybe because I'm not wired that way, I don't sit around and go, that's fucking wrong, we have to rail against this. Yeah, I'm a very simple person, so I look at it and go, yeah, that's how it works. And, goddamn right, I'd rather be on the top of the heap than, you know, not. And, you know, as long as we're...

• 1:18:18Joe Rogan?

  So, this is like a pragmatic perspective?

• 1:18:20Speaker 03

  I guess.

• 1:18:21Joe Rogan?

  Based on your experience overseas? And your understanding of how these things are done is that if we don't do something, if we don't act in some way to influence these governments and control these regions and do whatever we can to make sure that our interests are being, that we, that we are the ones that are kind of directing the way things go?

• 1:18:46Speaker 03

  Right. I would rather be directing how things are going than not. And, um...

• 1:18:51Joe Rogan?

  And those are the two options?

• 1:18:52Speaker 03

  Those, I think those are the two options, because we're not gonna live as a community of nations, what are we gonna do? I mean, you know, hold hands and, and say, okay, everybody's gonna live as a collective, right?

• 1:19:00Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:19:00Speaker 03

  Which, you know, um, so I, I, you know, I, I know that, that, you know, I think there's all, I'm sure there's all sorts of, of flaws in, in the way that I'm thinking, but, um, I'm a very simple person, when I was in operations, you tell me what to do, I'll do it, right? I never sat around and got angsty about anything, because I just didn't see any point in it. Um, and so...

• 1:19:22Joe Rogan?

  Again, pragmatic.

• 1:19:23Speaker 03

  Yeah, ma, uh, yeah, or just being a douchebag.

• 1:19:26Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a lot of people listening that probably come to that conclusion.

• 1:19:29Speaker 03

  Yes, I think you're right.

• 1:19:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but this, this is the reality of that job, right? And this is the reality of... International relations.

• 1:19:38Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I just, you know, and, and, look, I'll tell you something, look, there are people over the years, I think, you know, the CIA leadership at times, over, over the years, I'm talking, you know, you know, all the way back to World War II and, you know, beyond, certainly during the Cold War, Alan Dulles is a good example of that, where, you know, they legitimately would sit around and say, well, you know, as far as I know, we're not in the business of overthrowing countries, you know, and you think like, well, that's bullshit, of course, of course, that's what, you know, we're, we're trying to do, we're trying to influence countries because we want them on our side, we want to create friendly governments that, yes, will be beneficial to our national security, our economic interests,

• 1:20:19Speaker 03

  all those things. So I've always been puzzled also by, by people who try to minimize that in a sense, right? I mean, you know, if you're doing something, then, goddammit, maybe you own up to it. It's like, John Brennan, who was a director at the agency, right, he's, he's a really, relatively well-known former CIA official for a handful of reasons, he was very tight in the Obama administration. But he said one time, I forget what year it was, but anyway, he talked about the business of the CIA, he says, "We don't steal secrets." Goddammit, of course we steal secrets. That's the point of the exercise, right? You think the, the FSB or the Chinese intel apparatus isn't stealing secrets? What the fuck?

• 1:20:57Joe Rogan?

  And why was he saying that?

• 1:20:58Speaker 03

  Oh, he's trying, you know, it's a kind of general nation, right? He's trying to, like, sugarcoat, you know, that, that was a laughable statement, right?

• 1:21:07Joe Rogan?

  Well, why would you say something that's objectively true?

• 1:21:08Speaker 03

  I have no idea. Well, I mean, because, again, you know...

• 1:21:12Joe Rogan?

  Or objectively false, I should say.

• 1:21:13Speaker 03

  Maybe it's the world you want to live in, you know, instead of the one that we actually do have.

• 1:21:17Joe Rogan?

  Right, but when you're doing it publicly, that's not what you're doing. It's a PR exercise, right?

• 1:21:21Speaker 03

  It's a PR exercise, yeah.

• 1:21:22Joe Rogan?

  You're kind of pretending that we're different than what we are.

• 1:21:24Speaker 03

  Yeah, or you're trying to, or you're trying to convince yourself, who knows? I, I don't, I don't understand the thinking, I just know what he said, but I think it's, it's an interesting comment from, you know, the director of an intelligence organization, you know, that is in the business of stealing secrets.

• 1:21:40Joe Rogan?

  So, I'm sure you, you've seen Mike Ben's take on USAID and what USAID was really all about, and his... Perspective is that it's for everything that's too dirty for the CIA. He sent USAID.

• 1:21:53Joe Rogan?

  Do you think there can be a rational argument, though, that a lot of these things that seem ridiculous, like sending all this money to influence the votes in Pakistan or in India? And then we look at it like, why are we spending $21 million on education here and $2 million there? And that these things are actually beneficial to the United States as a whole? Because even though we're spending exorbitant amounts of money, the results we're getting is we are maintaining peace by being in control of certain areas where someone else would come over and then you'd get a regime that's not friendly to our interests.

• 1:22:30Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, look, I mean, USAID traditionally, like, they were set up, what, during the Kennedy administration as a, you know, as an independent organization, right? Because at the time, I think that the thinking was, and they're not the only one that's set up as an independent agency, but, you know, at the time, the thinking was, we don't want it to be seen as like the US administration is picking and choosing and driving sort of where the money's going. Which, again, is, you know, is kind of a strange way of doing things, right? It's coming from the fucking US government, right? So people aren't going to parse words or discern somehow that, okay, well, it's an independent agency. So I guess it's not really what the administration wants, it's what the USAID wants.

• 1:23:11Speaker 03

  So, you know, is it, you know, were dollars going into programs? That the idea was, can we, can we turn this country around? Can we change, you know, is it, is it, who is, who's in charge? Is it Lumumba? Is it Sukarno? Is it, you know, God, pick any number of folks during that period of time? And, and create a government that's more friendly to our interests? Again, I look at that and go, well, yeah. Is USAID also projecting, whatever they call it, soft power? Diplomatic power? Well, sure. And that's another way of phrasing it, I suppose. Were they also doing things like feeding the poor? Providing, you know, medicines out there, doing, doing actually, you know, legitimate things

• 1:23:55Speaker 03

  that I think sometimes people in a righteous This world are like, well, that's exactly what they should be doing. Well, yeah, they should be doing that. We should be, you know, the USAT has got a lot of important programs that they run, right? That actually help people around the world who don't have many options. So.

• 1:24:11Joe Rogan?

  I think what the perspective of this administration has stated is that they're going to review all these programs and keep the useful ones.

• 1:24:18Speaker 03

  Yes.

• 1:24:18Joe Rogan?

  And I think they're going to run it through the State Department, right?

• 1:24:20Speaker 03

  They're gonna run it, yeah, they're gonna slim it down. They've already started. Uh, it'll be run through the State Department. Great idea, right? Take off that, don't, don't pretend, right? I mean, this, this, it's a US government agency. What do you, that people are going to assume, uh, some people will assume the worst no matter what, right? But, yeah, fine. Again, under the same theory that you, what you do is you go in and you say, we're gonna go through every program. We're gonna keep the ones that are important. Um, and I would argue that's, that's food aid, health aid, you know, whatever it may be. Um, and, and, you know, shit can, all those others that are, you know, being really helpful.

• 1:24:57Joe Rogan?

  You mean like the $251 million on transgender animal studies?

• 1:25:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, is that helpful or not?

• 1:25:05Joe Rogan?

  Well, they have to figure out how to do those operations.

• 1:25:08Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, I think, I, I think, yeah, so there's, there's, is there waste in there? Of course there's waste, but, and are there programs in there that were designed?

• 1:25:15Joe Rogan?

  So it's the baby with the bath water? Is that what it is?

• 1:25:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, that's, that's the point is, I think going in there and calling it all waste and fraud and, and a criminal organization, I think is not the right messaging. I think that the, uh, the American public would be fully on board if you simply said, we're, again, we're going through, we're gonna find the waste. We're gonna, you know, we're gonna focus on those, those programs that help people around the world legitimately.

• 1:25:39Joe Rogan?

  But I think the problem is the people that are opposed to this administration are never gonna see the good in anything that comes out. Even if it does uncover undeniable fraud. I think we're just so dug in now, especially the, the fog of war post-election, which seems real in this country. This, this fog of hate on both sides, gloating on the right.

• 1:26:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:26:03Joe Rogan?

  And, and bitterness and anger and, you know, hyperbole as to like the extent of what's happening on the left. It's all, you know, a constitutional crisis and a destruction of democracy and a real dictator that's in place. And it's all the things that they feared coming into this election now have come to light in their eyes.

• 1:26:22Speaker 03

  Yeah. No, I, again, I, yeah, that's, and that is the messaging that's gone out. You can see them coalesce around it. You know, I think the first weeks after the election, there was confusion and, and, and, you know, a sort of a, they were going through that grief cycle on the, on the left. Uh, but now I think you're seeing that they are, you know, coming together around that messaging. I think they're, now they're starting to get more focused. They probably understand they'll probably take the house in, in, uh, two years. Um, so they're getting their, their shit together again. But, um, I, I think that, you know, and on the right side, I think, you know, you'd like to think that, you know, the gloating i- is, uh, is a bit unnecessary, right? You, one, focus on, on getting shit done now.

• 1:27:01Joe Rogan?

  Not only is it not necessary, it's counterproductive.

• 1:27:03Speaker 03

  It's counterproductive, yeah.

• 1:27:04Joe Rogan?

  And it, it just fuels the other side. It's stupid. It's like, this should be a uniting time for our country.

• 1:27:10Speaker 03

  Uh, well, you, again, you, and you would think that, uh, creating a more efficient government would be a uniting concept, right? And I think it could be, but I, I keep going back to that same thing. I've, I've never been particularly impressed with the messaging, and I get it. When I say that, people always, you know, on, on the right come after me and go, oh, God, well, that's what makes MAGA MAGA, you know, that's what makes, you know, Trump, Trump is, you know, just, and, and, and I, I don't disagree with sort of, again, the benefits sometimes of being disruptive, but I do think that, you know, you, you can't just look at USAID and say it's all, it's a big old criminal organization, right?

• 1:27:45Speaker 03

  You, you should be a little bit more, I mean, Kevin O'Leary, you mentioned him earlier, you know, for all that talk, I guarantee you, if he was, you know, if he had a large company, he wouldn't just shitcan everything right off the bat. I know he, you know, maybe that's his implication, but...

• 1:28:00Joe Rogan?

  I think he's talking about failing companies.

• 1:28:02Speaker 03

  Failing companies. He would...

• 1:28:03Joe Rogan?

  When you take over a failing company that's filled with bloat and waste, you cut more out than even you think is necessary, and then you figure out what you need.

• 1:28:11Speaker 03

  But he would go through, there would be a thoughtful initial review phase in a corporate environment. I think, I would argue that, that even he would do that. He's not just gonna pull the pen and, and throw it in the room and say, okay, now let's see what we actually need.

• 1:28:24Joe Rogan?

  Well, isn't what this administration's done is putting a pause on everything? And that, and then they're... Doing an audit of things and then a review.

• 1:28:32Speaker 03

  But that's not the way it comes across because in part because the media is not like you said, they're not gonna give them a break, right? So even if they said that that's what we're doing and here's how we're doing it. Here are the people on the transition team, I mean, you know, who are the people on Elon's Doge team, right? I mean, can you name half a dozen of them?

• 1:28:48Joe Rogan?

  Big balls.

• 1:28:49Speaker 03

  Big balls, well, okay, all right, fair enough, there's big balls.

• 1:28:53Joe Rogan?

  There's the kid who deciphered those scrolls from Pompeii using AI.

• 1:28:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:28:57Joe Rogan?

  Genius. I mean, they're very, it's very interesting because the approach is essentially, he's mimicking the approach that Elon used at Twitter. Just you're saying, okay, I'm gonna cut out 90% of this and see how it works.

• 1:29:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I just think that, and again, you know, you gotta go after the waste, the fraud. Is there bloat? Of course there's bloat in the government, go after it.

• 1:29:20Joe Rogan?

  So your perspective is that, of course, there's waste, of course, there's fraud, but if you don't understand international relations, if you don't understand the, this long tradition of supporting regimes that have our interests in mind. If we don't do that, someone else will, they'll gain control of these areas. This is just the reality of the world that we live in and we should be influencing other countries.

• 1:29:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's said a lot better than I could say it. But yeah, that is, that's what I'm saying on the international front, on the domestic front, I'm just saying, you know, you know, go through all these organizations, right? But, you know, don't, don't give the other side the ammunition to say, you guys are, you're firing useful people, right? I hear this all the time now in the past few weeks, it's like, it's like, oh, my God, they, they let this entire group of people who are going, working on women's health issues and, you know, and they're just, they're, they're giving them ammunition that, that they don't need to by virtue of the way that they're, they're going about it. And again, go about it, do it. That all, so all I'm saying is it's, it's, it's the means of which they're doing it.

• 1:30:32Speaker 03

  You can accomplish the same task and you can accomplish it quickly, right? It's not like your review process, you know.

• 1:30:38Joe Rogan?

  How could you review USAID while this is all going on, while they're still able to spend money? Because they're still able to, if there is corruption, if they're still able to dump a bunch of money into a bunch of different projects and funnel stuff around and move stuff into this, these areas where it can't be traced, which is apparently where at least some of it goes.

• 1:30:56Speaker 03

  Yeah. I would want, look, if you're doing a, if you're doing a corporate fraud investigation, you don't walk in and say, "There's fraud everywhere here," right, where everybody's going. No, you don't. You go in and you do your investigation because you don't know what the iceberg looks like. You don't know what's underneath the surface. So you want to be able to go through it in a methodical way. And, you know, if you walk into the World Bank and say, "We think there's fraud here in this, in this department over here," right, and the World Bank, just as an aside, they have to, if they think there's fraud somewhere, they have to notify the people that they suspect of fraud, that they're going to initiate a fraud investigation before they do it, right?

• 1:31:33Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:31:34Speaker 03

  How fucked up is that?

• 1:31:34Joe Rogan?

  Pretty, pretty crazy.

• 1:31:36Speaker 03

  Pretty crazy. So, um, so anyway, that's...

• 1:31:38Joe Rogan?

  Gives them a little time.

• 1:31:39Speaker 03

  Gives them a little time. So, you know, I don't know. Um, you know, again, I, I respect the fact that they're, they're actually making the effort. I think that's great. I just, I'm not sure that it's, um, you know, there's an immovable, uh, object in Washington, DC, made up of lobbyists, defense contractors, um, self-interested politicians, right? They're all like, you know, like this, right? And, and Doge is obviously, you know, bumping up against them, particularly when, when they start now talking about Pentagon spending. Um, so I guess my point is, it, it's, it's complex. I don't know that, that blowing it up and then saying we're going to rebuild it. It's like when Cash Patel or anyone else, you know, for an organization, they talk about the FBI, "Let's get, raise it to the

• 1:32:24Speaker 03

  ground and start over." What? You've got thousands and thousands of hardworking street agents out there doing very important work, right? You can't, you can't just say, "Okay, you know, we're, we're suspending 30% of them," right? You gotta go through and say, "Okay, well, where is the problem here?"

• 1:32:42Joe Rogan?

  And is there enough time to do that?

• 1:32:44Speaker 03

  I think, well...

• 1:32:45Joe Rogan?

  This is the question. It's like, how, is this a more time-effective way of confronting the, the reality of what they're trying to accomplish, which is government efficiency, right?

• 1:32:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:32:56Joe Rogan?

  Department of Government Efficiency. We don't believe that the government is efficient. We do see that there's at least some waste and some fraud, but it's not being chased down. They're going to chase it down.

• 1:33:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I think I would argue that, you know, they're gonna find this is a years-long process anyway, no matter how much of a, of a, of a, you know, jump they get at the, at the starting block, you know, but I think that.

• 1:33:17Joe Rogan?

  Well, Mike Bennett thinks it's gonna take 50, 60 years.

• 1:33:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think he's, I think he's right, right? I mean, I, well, okay, I don't think it's gonna take that long. I think if you're persistent about it, and, and I think your, your timeline is, is that you mentioned the, the midterms, that would be my focus, right? I wanna get it well done before the, the midterm elections, right? Because I'm, be concerned about losing the House. So, you've got that runway to work with, then, then go, but don't feel like you gotta get it done in the first four weeks.

• 1:33:45Joe Rogan?

  Right, so there's a lot of messaging that you hear online that, you know, you gotta kinda decipher, and one of them is the price of eggs. For whatever reason, the price of eggs is a big one that gets bandied about. People need to understand what the price of eggs is all about. Well, one of the things is they killed a lot of chickens during the Biden administration because of this, this bird flu thing.

• 1:34:05Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:34:06Joe Rogan?

  So, they, they killed millions of chickens, um, because the, the fear is that these chickens are gonna, it's gonna hop over to people, and, right now, I think it's only in geese and ducks, is that correct?

• 1:34:20Speaker 03

  Did it move to, did it move to cattle?

• 1:34:22Joe Rogan?

  I think it has, in some cases, moved to cattle.

• 1:34:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:34:26Joe Rogan?

  But the, the question is, like, what, what, what happens? Is that treatable with antibiotics? Is this overblown? Like, what is the actual reality of this pandemic? So to speak. This is why, um, egg prices are so high. But then, unfortunately, it becomes a political talking point, and so it's hard to get to the bottom of it because you're just trying to use it to cast blame. So, they're trying to blame this administration on the price of eggs, they're fucking up, regular people are, are gonna starve, and, you know.

• 1:34:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, look, he's been in office for 23 days, egg prices haven't come down, you guys were lied to, and you're like...

• 1:35:00Joe Rogan?

  Well, guess what? It takes a long time for a chicken to be able to grow from a chick to an egg laying, it takes months.

• 1:35:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:35:08Joe Rogan?

  And so you're not gonna get any discount in eggs anytime soon if they killed millions of chickens, which they definitely did.

• 1:35:13Speaker 03

  Oh, no, it's, it's, you know, remember the old, uh, mad cow disease? Years and years ago.

• 1:35:19Joe Rogan?

  Sure, and England had a big problem with that.

• 1:35:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, beef prices.

• 1:35:22Joe Rogan?

  I had a buddy of mine who went to England and was living over there, um, during the mad cow crisis, and to this day, he can't give blood. It's a prion disease.

• 1:35:32Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 1:35:32Joe Rogan?

  The idea is that if he does have it, what is it called? Jakob's Cruxfeldt disease? I always fuck that up. Um, but what that disease, that prion disease is, is from cattle eating cattle brain tissue. Which is so crazy.

• 1:35:47Speaker 03

  Or sheep's brains.

• 1:35:48Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

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  Yeah, somebody at some point thought, you know.

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• 1:36:51Speaker 03

  What we could do with all these sheep parts is we could feed them to the cows.

• 1:36:55Joe Rogan?

  Jesus Christ.

• 1:36:56Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know.

• 1:36:57Joe Rogan?

  Grind them all up and then the cows eat them and get the prion disease and then they're fucked.

• 1:37:00Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:01Joe Rogan?

  The same thing, which by the way, happens to cannibals. It's the same thing with Papua New Guinea and the cannibals get that same sort of, uh, problem where their neurologicals, their body breaks down.

• 1:37:13Speaker 03

  Good God.

• 1:37:14Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, good God.

• 1:37:15Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:15Joe Rogan?

  Did you ever hear the story about Rockefeller's kid? One of the, was it nephew? Was it nephew that got killed and eaten by the?

• 1:37:22Speaker 03

  Yeah, he went over there, uh, to live amongst them, I think.

• 1:37:25Joe Rogan?

  Well, he went twice. And apparently the first time he went, he insulted them by trying to acquire one of their, uh, sacred things. And, uh, the second time he went back, they decided to eat him.

• 1:37:38Joe Rogan?

  And they didn't find out about it for a long time. I think he went missing in the 60s.

• 1:37:42Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:43Joe Rogan?

  We covered it, Jamie. Do you remember what year it was? I think he went missing in the sixties.

• 1:37:48Speaker 03

  I remember that story, yeah, yeah, yeah. And there was, there was debate over whether he was actually killed and eaten by the cannibals or not.

• 1:37:54Joe Rogan?

  And now they're pretty sure he was.

• 1:37:55Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:37:56Joe Rogan?

  And at least that's what they're saying.

• 1:37:57Speaker 03

  Who goes back a second time? You piss him off once and you get away.

• 1:38:00Joe Rogan?

  I don't think he got pissed him off.

• 1:38:01Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:38:02Joe Rogan?

  I think he felt like, you know, they just couldn't come to an agreement on whether or not he could take home whatever sacred object he was trying to get from them. I forget what it was, but it was something that they would never sell or trade and he was insisting on it and they're like, oh, fuck this guy. And then I think they had some time to stew on it.

• 1:38:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:18Joe Rogan?

  While he was gone. And then when he came back like, this dumb motherfucker's back.

• 1:38:22Speaker 03

  Can you imagine how surprised they were when he showed up again?

• 1:38:24Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy. We're gonna eat him. Yeah, they're probably thinking to me, if he comes back, I'm gonna fucking eat him.

• 1:38:29Speaker 03

  I get, I get the haunch.

• 1:38:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:33Joe Rogan?

  Well, again, this is, you know, rich liberals.

• 1:38:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:38:36Joe Rogan?

  That's what he was. He was a rich liberal who just wanted to fix the world and travel around and went to a world that he didn't understand, like literally didn't understand, didn't understand what they were saying, didn't understand the culture. It was, is fairly, you know.

• 1:38:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm here to help you.

• 1:38:51Joe Rogan?

  Confusing.

• 1:38:52Speaker 03

  You know, in my own way.

• 1:38:53Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:54Speaker 03

  I'm gonna bring enlightenment to you.

• 1:38:55Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, and also what a great story when you get back to the university.

• 1:38:59Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:39:00Joe Rogan?

  Like, guess what I did?

• 1:39:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:39:02Joe Rogan?

  I went to Papua New Guinea. He's so interesting, God.

• 1:39:04Speaker 03

  You gotta wonder about his family. Who said, yeah, sure, you should go back to Papua New Guinea.

• 1:39:06Joe Rogan?

  Can you pull up a story where you can see this cat?

• 1:39:08Speaker 03

  I'm just looking on Wikipedia.

• 1:39:09Joe Rogan?

  There's photos of this cat, like with the, uh...

• 1:39:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, I remember this. I remember kind of his, yeah.

• 1:39:15Joe Rogan?

  There we go. So sixty-two, yeah, hold on, go back up. Alright. It says, "The first public report that Rockefeller was killed and dismembered." Scroll up. "And, uh, his long burned bones turned into weapons and fishing equipment." Yo.

• 1:39:30Speaker 03

  Wow.

• 1:39:31Joe Rogan?

  "Was, uh, published by the Associated Press in March of nineteen sixty-two. A second investigative, investigation later that year by a patrolman named Wim van de Wall on behalf of Dutch colonial government came to the same conclusion. Van de Wall was given a skull bearing, no lower jaw, and a hole in the right temple, the hallmarks of the remains that had been headhunted and opened to consume the brains." Which he turned over to Dutch authorities who- Never asked him to write a written report and never asked him to verbally report his conclusion. The information was apparently deemed politically sensitive in part because of the fragile state of the Dutch Empire in the Indonesian Archipelago. And in part because of Nelson Rockefeller's political celebrity in the United States.

• 1:40:13Joe Rogan?

  The findings of Van de Waal's investigation are restated in the written memoir of Anton Van de Waal, a successor missionary to Van Kessel.

• 1:40:24Speaker 03

  Hmm, the famous Van Kessel.

• 1:40:27Joe Rogan?

  Is he famous?

• 1:40:28Speaker 03

  Uh, no, I just added that, um, because I thought he deserved it.

• 1:40:31Joe Rogan?

  Wow. See if you can find photos of that dude.

• 1:40:34Speaker 03

  That's crazy.

• 1:40:34Joe Rogan?

  Cause there's photos of him, uh, hanging out with the people that ate him.

• 1:40:41Speaker 03

  I love that. Go out and investigate. Uh, ooh, this isn't the conclusion we wanted. Don't, don't bother giving us a report. Hmm, keep that to yourself. There he is. Yeah, I remember this guy with the glasses.

• 1:40:51Joe Rogan?

  There he is, chill. Go, go to that one right there. No, the third one, the third one, the third, yeah, that one. Look at that. He's like, I'm going to eat you.

• 1:40:58Speaker 03

  Those classic sixties glasses, right?

• 1:41:00Joe Rogan?

  And look at the smile on his face when he's looking at that dude.

• 1:41:03Speaker 03

  Oh, I know. Ah, look at them all. Look at the guy behind the, the front guy. He's, he's looking, he's going, yeah.

• 1:41:09Joe Rogan?

  And eventually they ate him. Crazy. He looks such a nerd.

• 1:41:13Speaker 03

  Yeah, what a moron.

• 1:41:15Joe Rogan?

  Well, back in the day, he thought he was being, look at him, soy boy, even back then.

• 1:41:18Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. Oh, look, like, oh.

• 1:41:21Joe Rogan?

  I'm having such a wonderful time with all of you people.

• 1:41:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're gonna eat you, bro.

• 1:41:25Speaker 03

  That is, that is the, we're about to cook you dance right there.

• 1:41:28Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, you're fucking around in a place you don't understand and you don't understand that they have a long history of that.

• 1:41:34Speaker 03

  You think about his family. Wouldn't his family have said, look, uh, I gotta tell you, don't, oh, God.

• 1:41:39Joe Rogan?

  What is that? Is that supposed to be him?

• 1:41:42Speaker 04

  I don't know.

• 1:41:43Joe Rogan?

  Oh, God. Click on that.

• 1:41:45Speaker 04

  Could be anything.

• 1:41:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:41:47Joe Rogan?

  What is that image of? Does it say? Michael, that is him?

• 1:41:51Speaker 04

  No, no, no, no, no.

• 1:41:52Joe Rogan?

  It says Michael Rockefeller.

• 1:41:54Speaker 03

  That's probably a picture that he took.

• 1:41:56Joe Rogan?

  Oh.

• 1:41:57Speaker 04

  Yeah, could be that.

• 1:41:58Joe Rogan?

  Even more fucked up. Like, he already knew they were doing that?

• 1:42:00Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know, that's right.

• 1:42:02Joe Rogan?

  Jesus, bro.

• 1:42:02Speaker 03

  I'm sure this wouldn't be me.

• 1:42:04Joe Rogan?

  Someone brings out that, like, hey, check this out. We did that to this guy.

• 1:42:10Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:10Joe Rogan?

  Like, look at that fuck, scroll, look at that fucking skeleton. That is so creepy.

• 1:42:14Speaker 03

  I gotta tell you, they look well fed. I would, I would worry about that too.

• 1:42:17Joe Rogan?

  You have that one guy on the right. He's got a big old belly.

• 1:42:19Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:42:20Joe Rogan?

  Just been eating people.

• 1:42:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, a lot of them, they get bloated because of parasites too.

• 1:42:26Speaker 03

  That's true. Tapeworms. Thirty foot tapeworm. Oh, God. Well, there you go. So.

• 1:42:32Joe Rogan?

  Click on that one where the guys are holding the arrow, right below that, right below your cursor. Yeah. Look, how fucking terrifying is that? Jeez. Imagine that guy. You show him on the beach and that guy's there. You're like, oh, fuck.

• 1:42:45Speaker 03

  You think they do like a, like a movie that give you a ten second head start into the jungle? And then track you down? I mean, I, I honestly.

• 1:42:51Joe Rogan?

  The Nez Perce used to do that.

• 1:42:52Speaker 03

  If I was in the tribe, I would do that. Right? Why wouldn't you? I mean, it's, it's entertaining.

• 1:42:57Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, there's a famous story of a guy where they, they killed his friend, chopped him up, threw his guts on him, and then they gave him like, I think, a thirty second head start and he escaped.

• 1:43:05Speaker 03

  He did.

• 1:43:06Joe Rogan?

  He hid in a beaver den.

• 1:43:07Speaker 03

  Nice.

• 1:43:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I think this is in. I think this is in Montana.

• 1:43:12Speaker 03

  A couple of years ago? What, what, when was it?

• 1:43:14Joe Rogan?

  Eighteen hundreds.

• 1:43:15Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 1:43:16Joe Rogan?

  I think, I believe it was the Nez Perce and I think they, he hid in a beaver den and made his way naked all the way back to the fort. I think it was like a couple hundred miles, too.

• 1:43:28Speaker 03

  Yeah, people were tougher then, back then, I would argue. You had to be.

• 1:43:31Joe Rogan?

  They had to be.

• 1:43:32Speaker 03

  Yeah. Wow.

• 1:43:33Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:43:34Speaker 03

  What?

• 1:43:34Speaker 04

  Here's the story on what happened to him.

• 1:43:36Joe Rogan?

  Michael reportedly told his companions, "I think I can make it," and jumped into the water. That was the last time they saw him. Oh, this is when he, he swam to the shore. 1961, Michael Rockefeller was traveling to this dangerous area of dense rainforests, mangrove swamps, and crocodile-infested mud flats known as the land of the lapping death when his small catamaran capsized in rough seas. This is the, oh, so Michael Rockefeller, a strong swimmer, immediately jumped in the sea and began to swim to shore. But this is the second time, right? This is when they killed him.

• 1:44:03Speaker 04

  It says they don't know. No one saw him after he jumped in the water.

• 1:44:06Joe Rogan?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:44:07Speaker 04

  So they don't know what happened.

• 1:44:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:44:08Speaker 03

  Now, here's, here's an interesting thought. If you're, if you're offshore from whatever, the lapping island of death, right, and your catamaran, you know, capsizes, and so it's still there, right? It's still floating and you've got your shipmates and they're there, and your decision, you know, the way that you've processed this is to swim to the lapping island of death. That doesn't show a lot of thought there.

• 1:44:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, he thought he could make it, and he's already visited them before. There was another article that I had read, Jamie, that actually recounted the moment he was killed, that they picked him up in a canoe and speared him in the canoe.

• 1:44:43Speaker 04

  Yeah, that's what I was reading through the Wikipedia. There's been multiple times, starting with seven years later, to try to investigate what happened, and I don't know how you would really go about doing that.

• 1:44:54Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, the most recent article was like there was some recent revelation, some information that was given to them by the tribespeople about what happened.

• 1:45:03Speaker 04

  The first one said that they sent a guy down there, private investigator, came back with three skulls, and they said one of them was the skull. So I don't know how they would prove that.

• 1:45:10Joe Rogan?

  Well, yeah.

• 1:45:11Speaker 03

  Why do they have skulls laying around? You know what's going to solve this problem is going to be the newly formed US government agency for the declassification of documents. That's going to solve this problem.

• 1:45:25Speaker 04

  Federal secrets.

• 1:45:26Speaker 03

  Federal secrets, yeah, federal secrets.

• 1:45:28Joe Rogan?

  Is that the JFK UFO one?

• 1:45:30Speaker 03

  Yep, Epstein files.

• 1:45:32Joe Rogan?

  Or that hot lady's running it?

• 1:45:33Speaker 03

  Anna Paulina Cruz.

• 1:45:36Joe Rogan?

  Why is she running it?

• 1:45:37Speaker 03

  Because she's hot. I don't know.

• 1:45:40Joe Rogan?

  I think maybe they should just release the documents. Like, if you're going to release the documents, release the documents to the people on the internet. They'll figure it out. They don't need you.

• 1:45:47Speaker 03

  I know. They've got this new committee, and they're going to sort of... Covid is also on the table. UFOs, now Michael Rockefeller, I would argue.

• 1:45:57Joe Rogan?

  I'm hoping that's where the 4.7 trillion went.

• 1:46:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. Wouldn't that be good, though?

• 1:46:03Joe Rogan?

  I'm hoping that's what it is, to all these government crashed retrieval programs and re-engineering and back-engineering.

• 1:46:10Speaker 03

  Developing our own technology that we've kept secret.

• 1:46:14Joe Rogan?

  What a lot of this is. I could absolutely be wrong, but I think that's what a lot of it is. I think we have some super sophisticated propulsion systems that are way ahead of our time. And then also, I think we're being visited. I think there's a bunch of different things happening simultaneously.

• 1:46:29Speaker 03

  Well, I think 4.7 trillion. Okay, when you think about that, it says, well, that sounds like a lot, but in terms of terms of government spending, right, we could blow through that pretty quick. So I'm thinking, you know, yes, I do, I

• 1:46:42Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's over how long, though?

• 1:46:43Speaker 03

  Over how long period of time?

• 1:46:44Joe Rogan?

  When they say 4.7 trillion, they don't give you a timeline. It's like that was the thing about Politico, right? Like, there was this talk about, we gave Politico $8 million. Well, sort of. What the real story was, there's a subscription model for Politico where you get news, like, instantaneously, and it costs like 10,000 bucks, and there was a bunch of those subscriptions that were in many different agencies.

• 1:47:10Speaker 03

  Right, right.

• 1:47:10Joe Rogan?

  And this is over the course of eight years. Like, that $8 million was from like 2016 to today.

• 1:47:17Speaker 03

  Right. So, I mean, so say that, right? You know, roll that out, rather than saying, you know, they've been funding, you know, Politico, because in a short burst, it sounds much worse, right? It's still, you still can argue, is this really necessary? Do you need to be doing this? Well, I don't know.

• 1:47:31Joe Rogan?

  Well, if you want information instantaneously, which would be very beneficial to someone in government, yeah.

• 1:47:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, you're paying for a database, for information that's gonna hopefully inform better decision-making.

• 1:47:41Joe Rogan?

  The problem is when, the way you say it. If you say, "We gave Politico $8 million." Oh, those motherfuckers, that's why they're fucking, that's why they're biased. And then you realize, like, oh, that's not exactly what happened. So, I think the people that are doing this have to make sure that they're not hyperbolic.

• 1:47:58Speaker 03

  Well, I'm sure, yes, exactly. And that goes back to this whole thing that I've probably beat to a death, is the messaging idea, but

• 1:48:06Joe Rogan?

  Well, this is important, too, because today, now they're talking about social security. And that people are receiving social security that are 150 years old. But I don't think that is the reality as it's being explained by people who understand COBOL, the language, and this, this computer programming language that they use is ancient, right? Which is kind of crazy that they're still using that, right?

• 1:48:32Speaker 03

  It's the government, I mean, yeah.

• 1:48:33Joe Rogan?

  So some guy who understands it was explaining that if certain Certain factors aren't taken into consideration, or certain things aren't entered in. You know, like, date of birth, or when, there's certain things-

• 1:48:48Speaker 03

  Or date of death.

• 1:48:50Joe Rogan?

  Right, but it doesn't even necessarily mean that all these people are receiving checks.

• 1:48:54Speaker 03

  Right, right. They're just listed on the files.

• 1:48:57Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:48:57Speaker 03

  And it doesn't mean money's going out to them, and so, yeah, again, from a messaging perspective, you know, does Elon need to like, you know, screenshot that, and then send it out as a tweet, or whatever we call X nowadays?

• 1:49:08Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:49:08Speaker 03

  And then suddenly you've got, you know, a couple million people going, "Oh my god, we're paying dead people."

• 1:49:12Joe Rogan?

  Right, right, right. That's the problem with being hyperbolic. "I'm gonna send this to you, Jamie, because I would confuse myself." And so I was like, "What exactly are they saying?" Because it seems like the people that understand that programming language are the ones that aren't jumping on board and saying, "Hey, this is what's happening." "Vampires exist amongst us. Does 300-year-old people get in social security?" That's not what they're saying. The people that are, that actually understand it are saying that's not really the case.

• 1:49:40Speaker 03

  Although, how cool would that be if vampires existed among us and we found out the 300-year-old people were making, you know, benefits?

• 1:49:45Joe Rogan?

  That would be crazy. Like, how crazy. "Oh, so I'll send you this, Jamie." This is this guy's explanation of it.

• 1:49:53Speaker 03

  But that 4.7, I'm sure we're gonna find the trillion. Of course, some of that money goes out, and I think if you follow money in the government, it's always more effective and interesting than, than anything else, right? You always, you always get to the bottom of things by following budgets.

• 1:50:06Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 1:50:07Speaker 03

  You know, depending on how it's hidden, right? And so, a lot of that money's gonna be, you know, perhaps it's in black budgets for, who knows? For Defense Department activities. It's worth digging into, because it's always fascinating.

• 1:50:20Joe Rogan?

  So, in that, this is a guy that explains it. I'll read this. I hope he's correct. This is a gentleman named House of Carter on X. He said, "This isn't a vampire conspiracy. It's just COBOL. C-O-B-O-L." "Legacy government systems, especially social security, still rely on COBOL, a language designed before anyone thought databases would need to track people beyond 99 years old." "The numbers you're laughing at aren't literal ages." They're most likely misinterpretate misinterpreted categorical codes or data artifacts from outdated formatting. Social Security isn't paying 150 year olds.

• 1:51:00Joe Rogan?

  The system uses fixed width fields and when modern databases misread them, they mistakenly interpret grouping codes as real ages. This happens when old mainframe logic isn't properly translated into newer systems. So, no, there aren't thousands of people over 150 getting checks, but there are a lot of outdated systems that need modernization, maybe focus on fixing that issue instead of hyping up a non-issue.

• 1:51:27Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:51:28Joe Rogan?

  So, um, there's multiple people that have said the same kind of thing.

• 1:51:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:51:34Joe Rogan?

  Uh, this guy says, "I'm an old programmer, uh, coder in today's parl- um, parlance. As many old programmers know Cobal, young coders don't. When Musk claims that Social Security is paying thousands of 150 year olds, I think someone should let him know that Cobal, uh, in Cobal, if, uh, a data is missing, if data, a data is missing, the program defaults to 1875. Example, 2025, 1875 equals 150. So for some reason, if data is missing, the program defaults to this ancient date and it's just a problem with data.

• 1:52:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:52:13Joe Rogan?

  Which makes more sense than 150 year olds.

• 1:52:15Speaker 03

  Exactly. But again, so, so fine, I dig into it, find out, and you know what? If, if the end result is, you know, you don't have 150 year old people getting benefits, but the end result is that you modernize the way that we store information, right? Then great, there's, there's a benefit to Doge right there, right?

• 1:52:32Joe Rogan?

  Yes.

• 1:52:33Speaker 03

  We've created a more efficient system for tracking and, and paying out and, and good. So, you know, everybody, again, everybody should, should, should not have a, a hard on about an organization called the, you know, Department of Government Efficiency.

• 1:52:45Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 1:52:46Speaker 03

  You know, and, and I think ultimately, I think they're going to do a very good job. I just think, uh, let's.

• 1:52:51Joe Rogan?

  So this is something to think about with Social Security though. So there's that, which is probably a misinterpretation of data.

• 1:52:57Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:52:58Joe Rogan?

  And this other one that I Just sent Jamie, so there's this woman who's a whistleblower and she's saying they were incentivized to qualify illegals for long-term disability, to qualify illegals for social security for life. So they were set for life. And in quote, she says, "They wanted us to try to identify them in such a way that they would qualify for long-term social security disability." Now, long-term social security disability is for life. So if they got identified and qualify for long-term social security disability, they're as good as set up for life. That doesn't sound like a refugee to me, she's saying, uh, just being honest. It sounds like someone who's planning on staying here. So they're instructed to try to identify, to try to get the client, because once they arrive here, now they're called clients.

• 1:53:43Joe Rogan?

  So they told us that we needed to talk to the client and ask them if they had any headaches, reoccurring headaches, or any lower back problems. Anything that would qualify them for social security long-term disability. Which is crazy.

• 1:53:58Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah. And then, but again, trackable information, you would think, right? So you can go in, if you're, if you're serious and persistent about it, you should be able to go in and identify, yes, we have the following.

• 1:54:11Joe Rogan?

  Let's listen to this lady talk about this. Cause, so this is something that, you know, when, when people are talking about the problems of social security, this seems, if she's telling the truth, this seems real.

• 1:54:20Speaker 03

  Right.

• 1:54:21Speaker 09

  Just being honest, that sounds like somebody who's planning on staying here. A refugee stays until the problem's over and then goes home.

• 1:54:27Speaker 10

  Well, that's right. And so, uh, they, they instructed us to try to identify, to try to get the client, because once they arrive here, we're, they're now called clients.

• 1:54:38Speaker 09

  They're called clients.

• 1:54:41Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 1:54:42Speaker 09

  Okay.

• 1:54:43Speaker 10

  Because clients pay.

• 1:54:44Speaker 09

  Sure. Sure. I'm starting to see where this is leading here.

• 1:54:48Speaker 10

  So, uh, they told us that we needed to talk to the client and ask them if they'd had any, uh, headaches, recurring headaches, or any lower back problems.

• 1:54:59Speaker 10

  Anything that would qualify them for social security long-term disability.

• 1:55:05Speaker 09

  Wait, wait, hold, wait, wait, wait. So, let me get this straight. Part of the screening is supposed to be, "Are you sick, maimed, injured, whatever?"

• 1:55:13Speaker 10

  Right.

• 1:55:13Speaker 09

  No. Okay, good, you can come in.

• 1:55:16Speaker 10

  Yeah.

• 1:55:16Speaker 09

  You get on the airplane, "Are you sick, maimed, injured, whatever?" Yes. Good, so we can give you disability.

• 1:55:22Speaker 10

  Correct.

• 1:55:22Speaker 09

  What?

• 1:55:23Speaker 10

  Yes.

• 1:55:24Speaker 09

  This is insanity.

• 1:55:25Speaker 10

  Yes, it is insanity.

• 1:55:27Speaker 09

  But in order to get social security disability benefits, don't you need a social security number?

• 1:55:32Speaker 10

  Well, we are, we were instructed in the meeting that one of the first things we were supposed to do was sign them up for social security.

• 1:55:41Speaker 09

  Wait. This is unbelievable. So, they come over here and they get a social security number?

• 1:55:47Speaker 10

  Right.

• 1:55:48Speaker 09

  They become legal?

• 1:55:50Speaker 10

  Correct.

• 1:55:52Speaker 09

  Are you pulling my leg?

• 1:55:53Speaker 10

  No, I'm not. And then, after they, after we process them for a social security card, then we were to process them for a US passport.

• 1:56:02Speaker 09

  No, you're not.

• 1:56:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, I think we, again, fascinating if it's true, it's outrageous.

• 1:56:09Speaker 09

  Fascinating if it's true.

• 1:56:10Speaker 03

  If it's true, but you need corroboration on something like that.

• 1:56:13Speaker 09

  Who is that lady?

• 1:56:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:56:15Speaker 09

  She's Mossad.

• 1:56:16Speaker 04

  Every time we've seen her, last few weeks.

• 1:56:18Speaker 03

  She's Russian disinformation.

• 1:56:20Speaker 04

  They show like who they're, what they are, what they did.

• 1:56:22Speaker 09

  Right, I don't even know where that came from. See if you can find that out.

• 1:56:25Speaker 04

  I don't even know what that's.

• 1:56:26Speaker 03

  I mean, that's just due diligence, right? Okay, who, you know, let's, so, I think that's great. And the obligation then is to say, "Okay, well, who is she? Why does she have this knowledge? Is she credible? Can you corroborate it with other sources? And if you can, then yeah, you've got a serious problem." When she, at that moment where she said, you know, "Get them a US passport", that's where I started, that little flag went off and I thought, "Hold on a second." You know, what, wait, wait, wait, let's dig into this and actually see.

• 1:56:51Speaker 09

  Is that possible?

• 1:56:51Speaker 04

  That video's from 2017.

• 1:56:53Speaker 03

  2017?

• 1:56:53Speaker 09

  Wow.

• 1:56:54Speaker 04

  It's a radio show. A Missouri woman is interviewed by radio show Josh Tully.

• 1:57:00Speaker 09

  Wow, that's 2017, that's crazy.

• 1:57:02Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:57:04Joe Rogan?

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• 1:58:11Joe Rogan?

  If, you know, if you are in whatever party, You assume. whether it's the Republican Party or whoever it is that allows this to happen and hooks these people up and sets them up, you would think that those people are gonna vote that way for life, because those are the people that gave them American citizenship essentially, gave them Social Security for life. Like, all you have to do is like, tell them, "Look, you get this check for life, all you have to do is keep voting, and you Yeah. know how to vote. You know the right way to go, right? You know, I mean, don't vote with your fucking conscience. I want you to vote with, you know,

• 1:58:42Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean,

• 1:58:43Joe Rogan?

  you know,

• 1:58:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:58:44Joe Rogan?

  Do your right thing, buddy.

• 1:58:45Speaker 03

  And we'll regularly remind you who to vote for.

• 1:58:46Joe Rogan?

  Yes, we'll tell you, we'll send you newsletters.

• 1:58:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, I mean, that would be, and that is the theory, the narrative, that, you know, says that's why, you know, the last four years, we had essentially an open border policy, was to bring in, you know, 10, 11, 12 million new voters, right? I mean, that's the way that that story unfolds.

• 1:59:03Joe Rogan?

  That's one version of it.

• 1:59:03Speaker 03

  That's one version.

• 1:59:04Joe Rogan?

  The other version is cheap labor, right?

• 1:59:06Speaker 03

  Cheap labor, um, also just sort of the, you know, then there's the soft, um, "Well, it's, you know, it's the way the world should work, you know, we need an open borders world."

• 1:59:16Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, I'm not buying that version.

• 1:59:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I don't think that's

• 1:59:18Joe Rogan?

  That version's horseshit.

• 1:59:19Speaker 03

  Most people don't, don't follow along the lines of, "I'm doing things for ideology." Most people have other, more base motives.

• 1:59:25Joe Rogan?

  My take is, if you got a place that's awesome, And you got a system that's awesome?

• 1:59:29Speaker 03

  Hmm.

• 1:59:29Joe Rogan?

  Expand awesomeness. Don't bring in people that aren't awesome. And don't bring in people from places that aren't awesome. So the problem is, if you bring people in that are criminals and then have a lifelong history of selling drugs and being involved in the cartel, like, they're not gonna come over here, "You know what, I need to join the union and be a pipefitter." You know, they're gonna fucking continue to do what they've done their whole goddamn life. So like, the problem is not that. The problem is where you're from sucks.

• 1:59:56Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 1:59:57Joe Rogan?

  So I think the best way, I mean, and I'm not saying we should take over all these countries and run them, but the best way is to get...

• 2:00:02Speaker 03

  Now you're talking.

• 2:00:03Joe Rogan?

  That's probably the only way that it would really work. But the way to do it is to somehow or another encourage those countries to become more like the United States.

• 2:00:13Speaker 03

  Well, yes, and then you would do that through soft power and, you know, organizations that could influence hearts and minds and...

• 2:00:20Joe Rogan?

  You're a lot of work. This is the... So I'm trying to look at this from a bunch of different perspectives, right? This is a very complicated situation. It's not as simple as, you know, "We need to stay out of the way of other countries' businesses."

• 2:00:34Speaker 03

  Right, right. No, it's not, no. I don't, I, again, and that comes back around to, "It'd be lovely if we were all working on the same team."

• 2:00:42Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:00:43Speaker 03

  That's not how, I don't think, human nature is, so, um, you know, I...

• 2:00:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, that's not the state of the world, right?

• 2:00:49Speaker 03

  It's not the state of the world, and it's, in the last four years, and I would argue during the Obama administration, they, they oftentimes, from a national security perspective, seem to run it based on how they, they hoped the world would be, right? As opposed to how the world actually is, right? And so, you know, like 'em or hate 'em, you know, again, the current administration tends to, you know, I think, look at things in a more pragmatic way, you know?

• 2:01:15Joe Rogan?

  Do you think they'll be able to do that with USAID? Do you think they'll be able to convince some of these other people that are all these USA First people that don't think we should be spending any money overseas?

• 2:01:25Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:01:26Joe Rogan?

  That maybe some of this money is well-spent for our best interest?

• 2:01:29Speaker 03

  Yeah, uh...

• 2:01:32Speaker 03

  If, yeah, that's a good question.

• 2:01:34Joe Rogan?

  It's a complicated question, right? Because it's like, what is?

• 2:01:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:01:36Joe Rogan?

  And are you even allowed to say what you're actually doing then? Because how do we discern whether or not? How are you gonna tell people that $20 million for Iraqi Sesame Street is actually a really good idea? And here's why?

• 2:01:47Speaker 03

  And it's... Or, but how are you gonna tell them, you know, buying and owning Gaza is a good idea? Right? I mean, how do you...

• 2:01:53Joe Rogan?

  I really don't think he's gonna do that.

• 2:01:54Speaker 03

  I don't, well...

• 2:01:54Joe Rogan?

  I think that's one of those things.

• 2:01:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't think so, but...

• 2:01:56Joe Rogan?

  Turning candidates into the 51st state.

• 2:01:58Speaker 03

  But, but, but do the people on the, on the, on that side of the fence who say, "No money spent overseas."

• 2:02:04Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:02:04Speaker 03

  You know?

• 2:02:05Joe Rogan?

  How are you gonna justify that?

• 2:02:06Speaker 03

  What are they, yeah, what are they gonna do? Look at that and go, "Well, that's a, that's a fucked up idea." Right? But, you know, but it's, it's still, you know, President Trump, so yay, we gotta support it. I don't know. Do, do they discern, or, you know, do people on, on the base, do they just say, "Yeah, everything that comes out of the White House is a great idea." Because that certainly runs counter to the idea that we don't wanna spend money overseas. What are you gonna do? Substitute Ukraine now? Because we don't wanna spend money in Ukraine, you gotta substitute it for Gaza?

• 2:02:30Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:02:30Speaker 03

  Again, that's...

• 2:02:32Joe Rogan?

  Is the idea that we would protect American interests better if we were in control of that? And so like, if Israel did something, if someone did something, we'd be able to respond in minutes versus in days?

• 2:02:42Speaker 03

  Well, that goes against the idea that we don't wanna be involved in foreign wars, right? I mean, if, if President Trump doesn't wanna be involved in foreign incursions and wars, he's picked a hell of a spot to not be involved in foreign... You're gonna drop yourselves in Gaza?

• 2:02:54Joe Rogan?

  No, he's gonna fix it.

• 2:02:55Speaker 03

  He's gonna fix it, well, I know.

• 2:02:56Joe Rogan?

  He's gonna make it nice.

• 2:02:57Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:02:57Joe Rogan?

  Big old Trump motel.

• 2:02:58Speaker 03

  Yeah, so, I mean, but again, hey, look, I think it's, I think it's great in the sense that I never thought I'd see the day where, where some of these Arab states would turn around and say, "Hamas has got to go." I mentioned it before, but that, that, that's a sea change. That's a big goddamn sea change. And it's kinda like with Ukraine, right now, right? He comes out and he says, you know, "Okay, we're gonna start these." They finished already. Earlier today, they finished conversations in Riyadh, in Saudi Arabia, between Sergey Lavrov and Marco Rubio and Steve Witkoff on the US side and, um, to, to start the discussions about peace in, in, in the conflict, right? Without Ukrainian representation or the Europeans there. NATO wasn't represented either, right? So, and that...

• 2:03:41Joe Rogan?

  How do they have those kinda conversations if they don't have Ukrainian representation?

• 2:03:45Speaker 03

  A lot of people asking that question. Yeah. But now that they've done it, right? Again, under this idea that, yeah, you can't, you have to bring them in. But the fact that you just, just jumped into the breach and got started, right? I mean, you think about it. In, in the previous administration or in a normal administration, I'd argue, getting to the table where you'd sit down and talk. Look, that we didn't, this is the first time we've talked to the Russians, really, in a serious way since the invasion back in 2022, right? So the fact that, you know, most administrations would have taken, you know, a year just to map out, okay, well, this is what the talks are going to look like. And this is, you know, we're going to have to, you know, this is what the conference table will look like. And this is where people are going to sit. And this is what we're going to be able to say. And it would take months and months and months together.

• 2:04:29Speaker 03

  These guys just said, eh, fuck it, let's go over, we're going to sit down, we're going to talk with them. Now that's forced, right? That's forced the Europeans to say, okay, what, okay, how do we get involved? We got to be relevant. And they do, right? But the European nations and European institutions have allocated more money to Ukraine than the US has. Right? I mean, they're up to, depending on numbers you look at, they're up to maybe $130 billion allocated in, in financial. How much have we allocated? Probably about 119, 120 billion. I thought it was way more than that. I thought it was 100, 100 billion, where Zelensky said he hasn't received it. No, well, when I say allocated, not all of it's been dispersed, right? Right. So now the US is the leading military provider of military hardware gear.

• 2:05:13Speaker 03

  But if you combine humanitarian, financial and military altogether, EU institutions and EU countries have actually allocated more than the US has. Oh. And that, you know, logic would say buys them a seat at the table for any peace talks. Aside from the fact that they're sitting right there, you know, close to Russia. They've taken in a vast number of Ukrainian refugees. You've got Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, sitting right there on the border with Russia. They've got a real reason to want to be involved. And, and but again, Trump's saying, let's just start the conversation with Russia. It's forced the EU to say, okay, how do we, how do we get involved? How do we rethink? Much like the Arab states with the Gaza issue. So now they're saying, well, Keir Starmer over in the UK is saying, we, you know, we'd be

• 2:05:56Speaker 03

  willing to put boots on the ground for some sort of peacekeeping force. Um, you know, and, and other nations, some are pushing back, you know, Poland, Germany, they're, they're, I don't know about deploying troops to Ukraine to enforce some sort of peace deal, but they're talking, right? And they, that accelerated the process. So, you know, they'll have to be involved and Ukraine will certainly have to be involved. What are you gonna do? You got an invaded country.

• 2:06:21Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:06:22Speaker 03

  And they're not gonna be involved in, in the future of what happens to the invaded country. So they'll be involved and Marco Rubio has said as much. But I think, um, I think it's, so I think it's good. I think, you know, people are really up in arms over the idea that they've started the talk without the Ukrainians sitting at the table. Um, but I don't think there's any intention in any plausible scenario where the US doesn't get them involved here in the very near future because otherwise it's going nowhere.

• 2:06:50Joe Rogan?

  When Zelensky says that he hasn't received a hundred billion dollars, what does that actually mean? Does it mean it just hasn't gotten to Ukraine yet?

• 2:06:59Speaker 03

  It means, yeah.

• 2:07:00Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't mean it's missing?

• 2:07:01Speaker 03

  It's not, no, it's not missing, although.

• 2:07:02Joe Rogan?

  So this is the thing that people are saying. It's like Tucker Carlson was talking about this. And he, he was essentially saying that there's a bunch of people that are spending money and he went to some wealthy ski town and these Ukrainians, they're all super wealthy and he thinks that some of that is, is, you know.

• 2:07:21Speaker 03

  Yeah, he's, he's not going out on a limb there, right? I mean, look, with Ukraine, one of their big problems over years and years has been corruption.

• 2:07:28Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:07:28Speaker 03

  And fraud. And one of the reasons why, you know, they, there was pushback against, you know, this idea of NATO, even though back in, in, uh, 2008 or nine, 2008, you know, at a, at a European summit, they actually. Said during the NATO summit, they said, yes, at some point in the future, Ukraine and Georgia, you know, will become members of NATO. We're not going to give you a timetable, you know, we're not going to tell you what that's going to look like, but you can become members of NATO. But one of the problems has been the level of corruption within Ukraine. So is some of that money, both from the US and from the EU, gone missing and lining pockets? Oh, absolutely. There's no doubt about it. Look at Iraq, the money that we spent in Iraq and how much,

• 2:08:13Speaker 03

  I mean, just any, any time you've got government disbursement of that size, look at the fucking COVID fraud, right?

• 2:08:18Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:08:19Speaker 03

  Anytime you've got money going out in large buckets from the US government,

• 2:08:21Joe Rogan?

  You're always going to have some fraud.

• 2:08:23Speaker 03

  Absolutely. Yeah, you're gonna have people who are gonna take advantage of it. So, yeah, that's, that's, that's not a surprise, you know, and Tucker's right for pointing it out. I'm just saying it's not rocket science. How much? Well, that's, again, you would like to think that Doge, one of their jobs would be to go, you know, and I think if there was more transparency in how the money is spent, as there should be, right, I mean, then maybe the taxpayers would be a little bit more understanding or lenient, you know, and if

• 2:08:52Joe Rogan?

  But they're not going to be lenient or understanding for any fraud where people are getting rich off of this.

• 2:08:57Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:08:58Joe Rogan?

  There are people that are getting rich off of this. I remember there was one guy that had to resign because it turned out he had somehow or another moved around a billion dollars that he shouldn't have. Remember that story?

• 2:09:08Speaker 03

  Billion dollars, yeah.

• 2:09:08Joe Rogan?

  And he's like, well, I'll just step off. And so he kind of went away and...

• 2:09:14Speaker 03

  He's living on a yacht.

• 2:09:15Joe Rogan?

  There's these stories and it's so confusing because, you know, we're getting the mainstream media version of what's going on versus boots on the ground. Where's the money actually going?

• 2:09:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:09:28Joe Rogan?

  What is actually happening? Why did Russia actually invade in the first place?

• 2:09:32Speaker 03

  Well, my company was out in Iraq, you know, shortly, actually a little bit before, but then, you know, following the 2003 entry of the US into Iraq. And so we were there for a handful of years, right, providing security assistance to a variety of organizations. And... You know, you didn't have to look hard or far to see, you know, there'd be some, some group coming into town saying, hey, we just started up this company, you know, and it's, you know, it's an AA company. Look, we're owned by Eskimos or, you know, uh, handicapped women or whatever. They just set up some bullshit company to get government contracts.

• 2:10:09Speaker 03

  No experience, no other, and yeah, so, you know, we, we watched that unfold. Anytime you have a, an environment that's, that's steeped in chaos, you know, yeah, that's, that's, fraud is definitely gonna happen. So you have to, you have to be incredibly aggressive and, and, and willing to hunt it down, right? Um, but I think sometimes the problem is in government, there's like an accepted loss concept, like with, uh, you know, credit cards or retail operators, right? We ain't got an accepted loss. We know we're gonna lose a certain amount each year to fraud.

• 2:10:41Joe Rogan?

  Columbia Rickett and Tape Club.

• 2:10:43Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:10:43Joe Rogan?

  Remember that?

• 2:10:44Speaker 03

  I do. I was a member.

• 2:10:45Joe Rogan?

  I was too. I think I stole all the money.

• 2:10:49Speaker 03

  That's right. I'm still getting notices. I have not received my.

• 2:10:54Joe Rogan?

  People don't remember that. That was when you used to get cassettes and CDs in the mail.

• 2:10:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:10:58Joe Rogan?

  And you sign up and you get, like, it was a big, it was a big, uh, hustle with the music industry to sell more copies.

• 2:11:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. And you could never unsign. You could never get rid of it.

• 2:11:08Joe Rogan?

  You could never get rid of it.

• 2:11:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:11:10Joe Rogan?

  But it made it look like they had a lot more people buying albums than they were. They weren't really buying them. They're getting them from Columbia Record. And you get like 10 of them for a buck. And everybody's like, oh, this sounds great. And then you get them for regular price afterwards. Like, well, fuck this.

• 2:11:24Speaker 03

  They'd send you a little catalog and you'd check off which ones you wanted.

• 2:11:27Joe Rogan?

  Everybody defaulted. Nobody, nobody paid.

• 2:11:29Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:11:30Joe Rogan?

  It's like all my friends did it.

• 2:11:31Speaker 03

  Oh, God.

• 2:11:32Joe Rogan?

  Completely weird scam that went on in the 1980s.

• 2:11:36Speaker 03

  It was, I remember Netflix started by mailing you.

• 2:11:38Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:11:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:11:39Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, I remember that. And, yeah. You used to get a CD in the, or a DVD in the mail.

• 2:11:45Speaker 03

  Yeah, I told that to my boys the other night. They put on Netflix. And I said, you know how this got started? And they were like, they were, they couldn't believe it, right? I mean, they're still amazed when their postman walks by the house, right? They think it's incredibly quaint that some guy walks by and leaves you with some mail.

• 2:11:59Joe Rogan?

  I wonder what they would, I mean, imagine taking a kid to like 1988 and bringing them to a Blockbuster Video.

• 2:12:07Joe Rogan?

  They would walk around and go, "What is going on?" Well, we don't have the internet anymore. I mean, yet. So, this is how you get movies. They'd be like, "Shut the fuck up." "You don't watch it on your phone?" Like, we don't even have phones.

• 2:12:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, no.

• 2:12:18Joe Rogan?

  No one had a cellphone in their area.

• 2:12:20Speaker 03

  Your evenings were spent with a bowl of unshelled nuts, walnuts, and you'd crack them and that was your activity while you talked to your mom and dad or something.

• 2:12:28Joe Rogan?

  If you ever showed someone a phone back then and say, "Someday, people are gonna jerk off looking at that."

• 2:12:34Joe Rogan?

  They'd be like, "What are you even talking about?" That's the dumbest prediction of all time. That's not in Star Trek.

• 2:12:39Speaker 03

  You'd get a phone call. I remember if, you know, some, uh, some girl would call and, and, and my privacy was only as long as the cord on the phone.

• 2:12:49Joe Rogan?

  Oh, yeah, right.

• 2:12:51Speaker 03

  Cause everybody was in.

• 2:12:52Joe Rogan?

  You'd have to go to the closet.

• 2:12:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:12:54Joe Rogan?

  If you had one of them ones that like had the button, like a little portable one with the cord attached.

• 2:12:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:12:59Joe Rogan?

  And you'd hang it up on there like a desk one, you could bring a long cord if you were lucky.

• 2:13:03Speaker 03

  If you were lucky, but we had the wall ones and so they had the little curly cords.

• 2:13:06Joe Rogan?

  That was the worst.

• 2:13:07Speaker 03

  I could go around the corner and then, you know.

• 2:13:09Joe Rogan?

  And the cord's always fucking tangled. You gotta spin the headset around to untangle the cord. These people don't know. The cord you just drag to the ground.

• 2:13:17Speaker 03

  Yeah. Do you remember your landline phone number from when you were a kid?

• 2:13:21Joe Rogan?

  Yeah. Yeah, I do. Yeah.

• 2:13:23Speaker 03

  I do too. I, it's, it's the craziest thing. I can still, I can't remember what I did two and three hours ago. And I could still, you could put a gun to my head and I could recite the phone number I had when I was eight years old.

• 2:13:34Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, isn't that weird? We used to be able to remember so many numbers. I only know like three or four numbers of my friends by heart.

• 2:13:40Speaker 03

  Yeah. You know your kids' numbers by, by heart. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:13:44Joe Rogan?

  And my wife's, maybe a couple of my buddies that have had, like my friend Eddie's had the same phone, but he's got a new one now. So, it's, it's weird that we don't have any numbers in our head anymore.

• 2:13:53Speaker 03

  No, I, I, I will say, uh, and I know this because just a day and a half ago, I was, I was, uh, I was doing something. I was filling out some uh, application for one of my boys, the middle boy, um, uh, scooter and, and. And it asked for his phone number and I had to look it up.

• 2:14:10Joe Rogan?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:14:10Speaker 03

  So I was thinking like, well, I don't know. I just pushed the button.

• 2:14:12Joe Rogan?

  I have to look up mine sometimes.

• 2:14:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:14:14Joe Rogan?

  Does that change it? When I give someone my number, I have to tell, I have to go, hold on.

• 2:14:19Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:14:20Joe Rogan?

  I fuck it up.

• 2:14:21Speaker 03

  I haven't changed my number in fucking generations. I don't, you know.

• 2:14:24Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:24Speaker 03

  I don't know.

• 2:14:25Joe Rogan?

  It becomes a, an issue.

• 2:14:26Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, yeah, yeah. For you, I think it's, it's different.

• 2:14:28Joe Rogan?

  At a certain point in time, you're just getting bombarded by people that you don't want to talk to and you're like, okay. There's only one way out of this.

• 2:14:34Speaker 03

  I've got all the friends I want.

• 2:14:35Joe Rogan?

  I got a vanish.

• 2:14:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:14:36Joe Rogan?

  It's not even the friends you want. It's all transactional. That's the problem. The problem is like, you start, start, realize this person only texts me when they want something.

• 2:14:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:14:45Joe Rogan?

  And, and the texts before they want something are bullshit. The say hi texts are bullshit because it's coming.

• 2:14:52Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:14:52Joe Rogan?

  Here comes the thing you want.

• 2:14:54Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:14:54Joe Rogan?

  And then that comes.

• 2:14:55Speaker 03

  Yeah, I get that from, um.

• 2:14:57Joe Rogan?

  I've got a startup. Oh, fuck.

• 2:14:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:14:59Joe Rogan?

  Here it comes. Do you want to invest? Fuck off.

• 2:15:01Speaker 03

  Yeah. It's, I, I don't get the investments because nobody thinks I have money, but, but, uh, you know, I'll get like sort of a, a request for, you know, how about a hookup with, you know, somebody in some part of the country or government or, you know.

• 2:15:14Joe Rogan?

  Oh, boy.

• 2:15:14Speaker 03

  So, and I'm like, I'm not going to put you in touch with anybody. I don't know.

• 2:15:17Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, those are the worst.

• 2:15:18Speaker 03

  Yeah. So it's, it's interesting, but, um, you know what today is? You know what today is?

• 2:15:22Joe Rogan?

  What's today?

• 2:15:22Speaker 03

  Today is my 20th wedding anniversary.

• 2:15:24Joe Rogan?

  Congratulations.

• 2:15:25Speaker 03

  Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I just, I was thinking about that. Um, I know, uh, it was funny because, um, uh, you proposed the 18th, uh, for us to get together and immediately I thought, well, that's our anniversary. And then I thought, well, she loves Austin, so I could combine the two.

• 2:15:43Joe Rogan?

  There you go.

• 2:15:44Speaker 03

  And I don't know that I got credit for it. I'm not sure.

• 2:15:47Joe Rogan?

  You won't. If you combine work with anything, even if it's the most awesome vacation, but it's also work, you don't get credit.

• 2:15:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:15:53Joe Rogan?

  Oh, you, you didn't even go out of your life to do this.

• 2:15:59Joe Rogan?

  You know, you kept doing the same stuff and then you added a thing.

• 2:16:02Speaker 03

  And here it is, yeah. Twenty years and here you go. Yeah. I don't know. Well, but we do.

• 2:16:06Joe Rogan?

  Going to a nice restaurant?

• 2:16:07Speaker 03

  Um, yeah, yeah, we are. Um, and, and we had a, we had a dinner in, in, in Boise with a bunch of folks uh, on Saturday night. That was really lovely. So we got everybody together and.

• 2:16:19Joe Rogan?

  Do you guys have wolves out there in Boise?

• 2:16:21Speaker 03

  Uh, yeah, yeah. I, I saw you, you, you put something out about wolves being near Aspen.

• 2:16:26Joe Rogan?

  Thirty minutes outside of Aspen. My friend has a ranch and they just released wolves there a couple of weeks ago.

• 2:16:32Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:16:33Joe Rogan?

  And he's already finding, I took a photo of it and put it on my Instagram. He found a, a dead elk leg. The neighbor spotted the wolves and they're on his property and he has, I mean, they've released them on his ranch.

• 2:16:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:16:45Joe Rogan?

  No, no one let him know. That's the leg we found in the snow. No one told him. And these are big Canadian wolves that they got from B C, by the way.

• 2:16:54Speaker 03

  Oh, no. The repopulation program. Look, the way you feel about it is entirely jurisdiction based. What I mean by that, if, if you live in New York City or Chicago,

• 2:17:01Joe Rogan?

  Yay, bring the wolf stock.

• 2:17:03Speaker 03

  The wolf repopulation program. If you're, if you're a rancher or, you know, you, you live out in the, in the Northwest or the West, you're like, what the fuck are we doing?

• 2:17:12Joe Rogan?

  Where he lives, it's all ranchers. This is what's crazy. It's like they've released the wolves where the fucking livestock is. What's crazy is they had a mandate to release wolves in Colorado. So the first wolves they released, they got from Oregon, who they took out of areas where they were killing livestock.

• 2:17:27Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:27Joe Rogan?

  So they got wolves that were accustomed to killing livestock and then reintroduced them to Colorado where there's livestock. And what do you know? They start killing livestock.

• 2:17:37Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:37Joe Rogan?

  Kind of crazy.

• 2:17:38Speaker 03

  And it's true. And what, and what you said is, is absolutely true here. Give us a short period of time and they're going to start laying on wolf hunts, right?

• 2:17:45Joe Rogan?

  And you're not going to find them.

• 2:17:47Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:47Joe Rogan?

  Here's another thing my friend said. You can shoot them if they kill, if you're killing your livestock or if they're killing a working dog.

• 2:17:55Speaker 03

  Mm hmm. Yeah.

• 2:17:55Joe Rogan?

  But you can't shoot them if they're killing your pet.

• 2:17:58Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:17:58Joe Rogan?

  This is what he said. I don't know if that's true.

• 2:18:00Speaker 03

  I can.

• 2:18:00Joe Rogan?

  You can in Idaho. Well, in Idaho, you can kill them.

• 2:18:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:18:03Joe Rogan?

  In Idaho, they're giving out tags.

• 2:18:05Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:18:05Joe Rogan?

  And they're giving out tags in Montana. And this is what people need to understand. When they first reintroduced them, there was no way you could shoot them.

• 2:18:11Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:18:12Joe Rogan?

  And then it got to a point, they're like, okay, this is not just sustainable. This is a large population of animals that is doing a lot of damage.

• 2:18:19Speaker 03

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:18:19Joe Rogan?

  And they do surplus hunting. So in one place in, I think it was Wyoming, they had killed like some crazy number of cow elk, like fifteen or sixteen of them.

• 2:18:29Speaker 03

  Type A predators, man. They're incredibly efficient.

• 2:18:31Joe Rogan?

  And they work together.

• 2:18:33Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:18:33Joe Rogan?

  They're the only animal in North America, other than coyotes, which are actually wolves, too. They're a small wolf.

• 2:18:38Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:18:39Joe Rogan?

  But they're the only animals that work as packs. And they're so good at it. They're so good at it. And they're so fucking smart. They're so smart. They're all psychic. They're all fucking think together. They're like a hive mind.

• 2:18:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, their hierarchy is amazing.

• 2:18:52Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:18:52Speaker 03

  The way that they, yeah, I did a, several days out in Yellowstone one time for a TV show, an episode. And, you know, following, or trying to anyway, the lives of a family out there. And it was, it was amazing, right?

• 2:19:09Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, they're amazing animals.

• 2:19:10Speaker 03

  It's just incredible.

• 2:19:11Joe Rogan?

  They're amazing animals. It's just this ballot box biology. These people that are in Denver and Boulder, they're the ones who are the big population centers. They're the ones who are voting for this. But you're not going to release wolves in the middle of downtown Denver, right? No, you're going to release them out in the area where these people voted against it.

• 2:19:25Speaker 03

  I wish that they would, though.

• 2:19:27Joe Rogan?

  The area where they released them first were areas where people voted against the wolves. Which is like a big fuck you to those people.

• 2:19:33Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, it always is. And if you're, if you're a ranch, I mean, even in Idaho, right? And you're constantly fighting for, for just kind of common sense decision making. And, you know, luckily, you know, the state house is very, you know, favorable. You know, who knows? I mean, maybe that changes in ten years. But for right now, you know, they understand, look, this is, this is what's important to this state. Which is why it's such a great, it's a great place to live. But, yeah, so, I don't know. I saw that and I, it, you know, it's, it's front and center. But I know exactly who's voting in favor of it, right? Because I, you know, I've talked to those people who don't understand at all, you know, what it, how it operates, right?

• 2:20:11Joe Rogan?

  Well, apparently, it's a pet project, no pun intended, of the governor of Colorado's husband. His husband is big on wildlife, which everybody should be.

• 2:20:22Speaker 03

  Who's the governor of Colorado again? It's a...

• 2:20:24Joe Rogan?

  I don't remember.

• 2:20:25Speaker 03

  God.

• 2:20:27Speaker 03

  Oh, well, yeah, not important, but.

• 2:20:30Joe Rogan?

  Not important. It is important if you live in Colorado.

• 2:20:32Speaker 03

  Well, yeah.

• 2:20:33Joe Rogan?

  The reality is, it's already started. The wolves are there. And they were coming into Colorado anyway. They, there's Colorado wolves that were moving in from neighboring states. Colorado borders Wyoming, of course.

• 2:20:44Speaker 03

  Right. And they don't stop at the border. It's not like they go, ah, fuck it.

• 2:20:47Joe Rogan?

  Oh, they travel hundreds and hundreds of miles. You know, we, we showed a video on here once of a friend of mine filmed a wolf in Bakersfield, California. And I was like, well, these people that live out there, the ranchers that live out there, talked to me about it. And one of my buddies who actually works on a ranch filmed it, filmed this wolf. And we actually played the video. It's a big, black wolf that's in a cattle field in, like, in fucking Bakersfield. It's just outside of Bakersfield. It's like off the five. Um, well, what, we had Diane Boyd on, who is a wolf reintroduction specialist. Like, she's, she's studied wolves her whole life. And she's not in favor of reintroduction of wolves. She's, she thinks they should be, they should reintroduce to areas naturally.

• 2:21:30Joe Rogan?

  And they were going to do that anyway. They were gonna migrate into these areas naturally, and that's the best way to let it happen. Uh, but she said they can travel hundreds and hundreds of miles.

• 2:21:39Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:21:39Joe Rogan?

  And that this wolf probably came all the way from Oregon and just made its way down. It probably wasn't even, because their fear was that some crazy wildlife group is like, we're gonna reintroduce the wolves ourselves. And they're, they're capturing these wolves and then bringing them to California, fuck you, rancher. You should be eating soybeans. And they just release them. But she doesn't think that. She thinks those wolves actually probably made it from the wild all the way down there because they really travel insane distances.

• 2:22:06Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, I mean, no, that makes sense. And I'm glad to hear that she's, after all that experience, she's, she's not in favor of a program. I mean, that shows a lot of common sense.

• 2:22:14Joe Rogan?

  Well, it just throws a giant monkey wrench into whatever ecosystem there is.

• 2:22:17Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:18Joe Rogan?

  But the reality of the ecosystem in Montana, where they did reintroduce, uh, wolves, was that they were very overpopulated with elk. To the point where, well, she was explaining this, they used to have these winter seasons for a cow elk. And, you know, it's basically shooting fish in a barrel because they're stuck in deep snow.

• 2:22:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:22:35Joe Rogan?

  And you could just pick them off. And they did that because they were heavily overpopulated. The, the land couldn't sustain the numbers. And so they offered opportunities for hunters. Hey, it's great. You, you shoot an elk, you get, even a cow elk, you get like a hundred and fifty pounds of meat, two hundred pounds of meat. And it's great. That's your meat for a year, almost.

• 2:22:54Speaker 03

  I remember a, a park ranger out in Yellowstone told me one time. He, he said he was driving, he was out just sort of like checking things and, and came across a, um, a large. I forget what he called it. It was a van of some sort, but it was like a VW, you know, hippie van of some sort. And there were four, uh, young folks, he said, early twenties. And they were trying to herd this little baby, uh, bison, um, that had gotten separated from the herd, right? And was now all on its own. And they'd been driving along and they saw it off in the distance in the, in the fields and they. So they decided they were gonna rescue this thing. So they were out there trying to get this thing to come towards their, their van. I have no idea. He says, I don't, what were they gonna do? Put it in the van?

• 2:23:37Speaker 03

  He, he had no idea what they were trying to do, but he, he stopped and he said, what are you doing? He says, well, we got this baby, trying to save it. He said, what the fuck? Get in your van and drive off. He said, this is, this is how this works, right? And they go, but it's not gonna find its mother. And like.

• 2:23:49Joe Rogan?

  Have you ever seen the Instagram page Torons of Yellowstone?

• 2:23:54Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:23:54Joe Rogan?

  It's one of my favorite.

• 2:23:55Speaker 03

  Torons?

• 2:23:56Joe Rogan?

  Tor, like morons that are tourists? Torons of Yellowstone? It's a great Instagram page.

• 2:24:01Speaker 03

  I'll check that out, definitely.

• 2:24:02Joe Rogan?

  It's all assholes taking selfies with deer and selfies with bison.

• 2:24:08Speaker 03

  German tourists, yeah.

• 2:24:09Joe Rogan?

  It's people trying to feed bears.

• 2:24:11Speaker 03

  God.

• 2:24:12Joe Rogan?

  And it's all people just getting fucking thrown through the air by giant bisons.

• 2:24:16Speaker 03

  Yeah. I love that when they, when they're, they're like this and it's right behind them and they're just trying to get that picture. And, and once that bison starts staring, right? Once it starts staring at you, you got, you got problems.

• 2:24:28Joe Rogan?

  This is one I saw the other day. These people are right, this black bear is eating, uh, fish right on the, the edge of this lake. And they're getting right up to it. I mean, these kids are literally fifteen, sixteen inches away from this fucking thing. And he gets closer too, by the way.

• 2:24:44Speaker 03

  Look, look at the kid in the red jacket. He said, yeah, get our picture. Come on, I got my thumbs up. Yeah.

• 2:24:47Joe Rogan?

  One of them winds up touching it.

• 2:24:49Speaker 03

  Holy shit.

• 2:24:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, he reaches over at the end of this stupid fucking video and touches it.

• 2:24:56Joe Rogan?

  And the bear is just like, get the fuck out of here, I'm trying to eat.

• 2:24:58Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:24:58Joe Rogan?

  They don't care, but they're so habitualized to being around people. No wild bear, a truly wild bear would ever allow this.

• 2:25:05Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:25:05Joe Rogan?

  This is just a bear, you know, they start eating people's garbage, they start taking fish from fishermen and that kinda shit. And look at this kid taking this selfie.

• 2:25:15Speaker 03

  Oh my god.

• 2:25:15Joe Rogan?

  He gets closer, this fucking dumbass. Look at this fucking stupid kid, look, look, he's gonna move in and touch it.

• 2:25:22Speaker 03

  Oh.

• 2:25:22Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that could've been the end of your life, buddy.

• 2:25:24Speaker 03

  Holy shit.

• 2:25:26Joe Rogan?

  And look, he's got flip flops on, these kids, they're so silly.

• 2:25:29Speaker 03

  We go up, uh, we go up fishing in Alaska, and I tell you one thing we're not gonna do. Okay, a bear comes out of the brush, we're not gonna stop and take a selfie.

• 2:25:39Joe Rogan?

  No, don't take a selfie.

• 2:25:40Speaker 03

  No, not at all.

• 2:25:41Joe Rogan?

  Alaska, though, they are scared of people, because they hunt them in Alaska, it's the only state

• 2:25:45Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:25:45Joe Rogan?

  in the United States, and they wanna open up a season in Montana, and there's arguments about that right now, because of the interactions that people are having with bears.

• 2:25:53Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:25:54Joe Rogan?

  This is part of what the governor of New Jersey ran on, that he was gonna stop the bear hunt. And people are like, yeah, stop the bear hunt. That shit lasted one year.

• 2:26:04Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:04Joe Rogan?

  And there were so many problems with bears, they said, alright, you're right, you're right, and then they reintroduced the bear hunt.

• 2:26:09Speaker 03

  Most of those are black bears, right?

• 2:26:10Joe Rogan?

  Oh, that's only black bears.

• 2:26:11Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 2:26:12Joe Rogan?

  But New Jersey has more black bears per capita than any other state in the United States, which is nuts.

• 2:26:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, you always forget that New Jersey, A, how big it is, but also just how green it is, right?

• 2:26:21Joe Rogan?

  It's fucking rural.

• 2:26:22Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:26:22Joe Rogan?

  New Jersey is like Newark and Hackensack and, you know, those places, and then rural.

• 2:26:28Speaker 03

  It's all pine flats and all the rest of it, yeah.

• 2:26:30Joe Rogan?

  Mountains, it's like, you can get into the woods of New Jersey, you know, it's fucking real woods. And it just doesn't seem like it should be, because New Jersey's The Sopranos. You know, in our mind, it's, oh, it's Tony Soprano, oh, go to the deli.

• 2:26:44Speaker 03

  It's Newark, yeah, there's nothing green about Newark.

• 2:26:46Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's what we think about with Newark, we think about-

• 2:26:49Speaker 03

  Is that your soprano voice?

• 2:26:50Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:26:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's good, yeah.

• 2:26:52Joe Rogan?

  Big pussy. Yeah.

• 2:26:53Speaker 03

  You excited about the JFK files release? We haven't even talked about that.

• 2:26:57Joe Rogan?

  Um, you know, I feel like-

• 2:27:01Joe Rogan?

  I feel like Charlie Brown when Lucy keeps pulling that football away. You know, like today's the day I'm gonna kick that football and then she fucking yanks that football and Charlie goes flying through the air and lands on his head.

• 2:27:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:27:12Joe Rogan?

  That's how I feel.

• 2:27:13Speaker 03

  It's gonna be the way it is too. I mean, I think, I think they'll actually kick out the door. I don't think they, this time around, I don't think they can hold any more documents. They don't have that many left to hold, right?

• 2:27:22Joe Rogan?

  I think they just found thousands of new documents.

• 2:27:24Speaker 03

  They found 2,400 more. That is actually a good way. They found, the FBI says, oh, look at this. You know, we, what they did was they did a, they did a review. They started in 2020 and they said, okay, all our closed cases, we're gonna start, you know, compiling all of them in one place.

• 2:27:42Speaker 03

  Why weren't they doing that 40 years ago, 50 years ago? How do you not do that? Have a central repository? Anyway, so they said, but this is what we're gonna do. So they, they did and they said, we're updating our, the way that we, we digitize and, and, and hold on to all our records. And during the course of that, then when Trump issued his executive order about the release of the files and also for RFK and MLK, then the bureau says, well, we were able to, because we'd done this digitizing and, and this, this way of tracking our records, we were able to find 2,400 documents that are related that we, we just didn't know about. So there's those, and then there's maybe 5,000 other documents left that haven't been released.

• 2:28:20Joe Rogan?

  Well, Trump was quoted as saying that if you saw what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either.

• 2:28:25Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:28:26Joe Rogan?

  What does that mean?

• 2:28:27Speaker 03

  You know, it's a

• 2:28:28Joe Rogan?

  What can that mean?

• 2:28:29Speaker 03

  It's a really good question. I, here's what I think. I, I, I think, and I don't, obviously, I don't know what's in the, in the, in those documents either.

• 2:28:37Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, you don't?

• 2:28:38Speaker 03

  Hmm, well, you know, remember, I was a, I was a toddler when, when he was shot. And although I would have, that would have been the perfect cover.

• 2:28:46Speaker 03

  Nobody's fucking looking for a toddler to come behind that

• 2:28:49Joe Rogan?

  Toddler with a microphone, magnifying glass.

• 2:28:51Speaker 03

  Come off that grassy knoll.

• 2:28:53Joe Rogan?

  Well, what, what could, I mean, it's not like they're gonna say in the documents, we did it, right? Like, so what is the, what could the documents have that would be so incriminating that they wouldn't want to release them? Like, what would you document if you assassinated the president? We'd say, well, me and Mike were sitting over here on the grassy knoll. And then we, this is, yeah.

• 2:29:14Speaker 03

  I think, I think some of the documents, the redactions are really pedestrian. Like, they've redacted, in the old days, they redacted a person's name who was an investigator, or a social security number of somebody who was interviewed.

• 2:29:28Joe Rogan?

  But there's whole pages that are redacted.

• 2:29:30Speaker 03

  Right, I mean, so there's, there's like-

• 2:29:31Joe Rogan?

  So those are like weird.

• 2:29:32Speaker 03

  Yeah, there's like, I think they held on to, Biden administration held on to like 2000 some odd-

• 2:29:39Joe Rogan?

  Well, in 2017, they were supposed to release them.

• 2:29:41Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:29:41Joe Rogan?

  And then this was when the Trump administration didn't do it, and that's when people got mad.

• 2:29:46Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:29:46Joe Rogan?

  Like, hey, you said you were gonna do it. And this time, they are saying they're going to do it. And then they got this hot lady who's involved in all this.

• 2:29:53Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:29:53Joe Rogan?

  Which is odd.

• 2:29:54Speaker 03

  It does, well, again, uh-

• 2:29:57Joe Rogan?

  Why'd they pick her?

• 2:29:57Speaker 03

  Yeah, why'd they pick her?

• 2:29:59Joe Rogan?

  Is she a JFK expert?

• 2:30:01Speaker 03

  I think she's an assassination expert.

• 2:30:03Joe Rogan?

  Well, it's not just assassination, she's in charge of UFOs too, right?

• 2:30:06Speaker 03

  Right, and Epstein and all the rest.

• 2:30:08Joe Rogan?

  All the-

• 2:30:08Speaker 03

  I think what we're gonna find is, this is just me speculating, obviously, but I think what we're gonna find with the released documents is, A, there's no smoking gun, and B, it's not going to stop people from believing what they believe. It's not gonna put anything to rest. And I think also, there probably will be, one of the reasons I think some of these things were withheld was because it's embarrassing, perhaps, to the CIA and the FBI also in terms of their collaboration. Look, Lee Harvey Oswald was on their radar, for good reasons, right? For, you know, counterintelligence reasons. He had lived over in Minsk, he defected to the Russia, to the Soviet Union.

• 2:30:51Speaker 03

  He'd lived over there for, I don't know, three years, came back, and so that, and alone, puts him on the radar, right? Now, suddenly, he's a CI concern. So the CIA is definitely monitoring him. And then he goes down, he, he, to Mexico, he goes to the Cuban and Soviet embassies, right? He's desperate to get involved in, in the revolution, even though he's, you know, the Soviets by that time had decided he's a complete loser. And, and I think what-

• 2:31:19Joe Rogan?

  Is that the narrative, though? I mean, do we know what they really dis-

• 2:31:22Speaker 03

  Well, I, I, I think, you know, I'm just speaking again from, you know, from experience in intelligence community, at a certain point, you look at somebody and go, there's nothing here. This person is more of a, of a liability than an asset.

• 2:31:34Joe Rogan?

  Well, wouldn't that be the perfect person to make a patsy?

• 2:31:36Speaker 03

  Well, unless they decided the guy is just unstable. Look, I mean, reportedly, reportedly, he, uh, he was finally granted, um, permission to exist in the Soviet Union after he tried to kill himself. When they said they were gonna send him back, he couldn't, he couldn't stay there.

• 2:31:51Joe Rogan?

  How did he try to kill himself?

• 2:31:52Speaker 03

  I, no idea. I, I don't know that part of it, but I think it's, I, I guess, I, so my point is, is that I think he was on the radar. And I think what happened was, in the documents, we may find that the CIA, you know, at the time, you know, was not proactive enough, and they didn't work, uh, well with the FBI. There was real friction between those two. And I think that, you know, if they had, if they had brought in the FBI, informed them, said, "Look, he's, you know, we've got the Cuban Embassy and the Soviet Embassy down in Mexico under observation. We've had this guy on our radar for some time. He's now come back to Dallas and New Orleans. He's, he's back in the States. You know, we've gotta keep an eye on him." I think if they had done that, you know, maybe history changes.

• 2:32:36Speaker 03

  But I don't think they did, obviously.

• 2:32:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, but this is assuming that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone, which I'm not buying into.

• 2:32:42Speaker 03

  Right, right, right. Under, under this scenario, yes.

• 2:32:43Joe Rogan?

  I'm not buying that at all.

• 2:32:44Speaker 03

  But I think that's what we're gonna see in some of this documentation.

• 2:32:47Joe Rogan?

  Well, if Trump really did say that, that if they showed you what they showed me, you wouldn't release it either, it has to be something. And that something might be a second shooter.

• 2:32:57Speaker 03

  Well, it's not, it, it...

• 2:32:59Joe Rogan?

  Or more.

• 2:32:59Speaker 03

  I agree, because Trump has never been known to say anything hyperbolic. Um, so, I mean, there's a chance that he was, you know, I don't know.

• 2:33:08Joe Rogan?

  Okay. He attempted suicide, a striking indication of how much he desired to remain in the Soviet Union. Showed how willing he was dramatically and decisively when he faced an emotional crisis with few readily available alternatives at hand. He was shocked to find that the Soviet Union did not accept him with open arms. The entry in his self-styled historic diary for October 21st, 1959, re- I am shocked, two exclamation points. My dreams, exclamation point. I have waited two years to be accepted. My fonds dream, I don't even know what that means. Fondest?

• 2:33:41Speaker 03

  Fondest?

• 2:33:42Joe Rogan?

  It's probably they forgot the T. He can't spell this, fuck. My fondest dreams are shattered because of a petty official. I decided to end it. Soak fist in cold water to numb the pain, then slash my left wrist. What a pussy. Uh, the then plague wrist, oh.

• 2:33:59Speaker 03

  Plug, then?

• 2:34:00Joe Rogan?

  What?

• 2:34:00Speaker 03

  Then plunge, plunge wrist.

• 2:34:02Joe Rogan?

  Boy, can't spell plunge either?

• 2:34:03Speaker 03

  Then plunge wrist.

• 2:34:04Joe Rogan?

  Plunge, so he spells plunge, P L A U G. I guess it's plunge. Wrist into bathtub of hot water. Somewhere a violin plays as I watch my life whirl away. I think to myself, how easy to die and a sweet death to violins. Oswald was discovered in time to thwart his attempted suicide. He was taken to a hospital in Moscow where he was kept until October 28th, 1959. Still in 10, however, in staying in the Soviet Union, Oswald went on October 31st to the American Embassy to renounce his US citizenship. Mr. Richard A. Snyder, the second, then second secretary and senior consul officer at the embassy, testified that Oswald was extremely sure of himself and seemed to know what his mission was.

• 2:34:46Joe Rogan?

  He took charge in a sense of the conversation right from the beginning. Uh, he said, I, he presented the following signed note. I, Lee Harvey Oswald, do hereby request that my present citizenship in the United States of America be revoked. And then they let him back in the United States.

• 2:35:03Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:35:04Joe Rogan?

  This is why the, the more tinfoil hat wearing amongst us. So this fucking guy, he was working for the government. This is all bullshit.

• 2:35:12Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:35:12Joe Rogan?

  They were setting it up and they were using him as a patsy.

• 2:35:15Speaker 03

  Oh, no, I know that's, I mean, there's obviously like, there's a strong belief that the CIA was involved, the mob was involved. And again, hey, I haven't seen all the documents like, you know, Trump has, so I, you know, everything's on the-

• 2:35:26Joe Rogan?

  I wonder if he's even seen them all.

• 2:35:27Speaker 03

  Everything's on the table. I don't know if he's seen everything either. What, has he gone through all the files?

• 2:35:31Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, has he sitting there in his office drinking Diet Coke, reading the documents?

• 2:35:34Speaker 03

  Who knows? But I think, you know, and who else? Who else said he's, Cash Patel said he's seen all the files.

• 2:35:40Joe Rogan?

  Oh, okay.

• 2:35:41Speaker 03

  He said he's seen everything. Now, I'm not sure how, in what capacity.

• 2:35:44Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:35:45Speaker 03

  That was he part of a review committee perhaps? I don't, I don't know.

• 2:35:48Joe Rogan?

  Interesting.

• 2:35:49Speaker 03

  But.

• 2:35:49Joe Rogan?

  We'll find out, right?

• 2:35:50Speaker 03

  We'll find out and.

• 2:35:51Joe Rogan?

  Well, you have long said that you think that the Martin Luther King Jr. assassination was, was fishy.

• 2:35:57Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, I really do. I believe that. And I also, it's interesting that, uh, his family doesn't want this released. They don't want the remaining documents released. And I think the reason there is because, look, they, you know, Hoover and, and, uh, and the federal and state law enforcement had a real hard on for Martin Luther King, obviously, right? And they were covering him three ways to Sunday. So, including wiretaps, some that were signed off by RFK, right? By Robert Kennedy. So, as Attorney General. So, I think, you know, the family is like, look, do you really need to release these, these records? Cause I think they're worried about, you know, embarrassing information about there, perhaps about his lifestyle.

• 2:36:38Joe Rogan?

  Hasn't a lot of that already been released?

• 2:36:40Speaker 03

  Yeah, it's been talked about and everything, but I think if you dump it out there, um, you know, whereas, whereas with RFK's, uh, or sorry, with JFK's documents, look, they've released some 5 million pages of his, right? I mean, estimates are like, ah, we've released like 99% of the documents.

• 2:36:56Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:36:56Speaker 03

  It's not that, it's not that high a percentage with, with MLK.

• 2:36:59Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:37:00Speaker 03

  So, I think there's a potential for embarrassment, but I also, same thing. I don't think in those documents, cause I don't think anybody's gonna, if, if, they're not gonna self-incriminate, right? And I do think that there was, there was something going on. Look, James Earl Ray is a much more interesting case study, I think anyway, than Lee Harvey Oswald. James Earl Ray and his behavior leading up to, um, the shooting at the Lorraine Motel.

• 2:37:27Speaker 03

  Uh, kinda going off the radar, disappearing. The guy, you know, the guy couldn't keep himself out of jail. He was a failed petty thief, right? And he was just a fuck up. And then suddenly he disappears off the radar screen and he shows up and he, you know, looks like a college professor. And he's kinda got his shit together and, you know, then after shooting him, he ends up in, in, in Belgium.

• 2:37:47Joe Rogan?

  And he got money and guns.

• 2:37:49Speaker 03

  Yeah, he got money and guns. He had, suddenly he had a, he had a bag full of cash to go buy himself a Mustang, which he used to drive around the south and, and kinda be off the grid, the grid. I, I don't know. That one strikes me as, and then the, the, the, sort of the, the interplay with, with federal and state and local law enforcement. To me, but again, my point is that they released the documents. What do you think? There's gonna be some note in there saying, "Must kill MLK, please, you know, somebody talk to Hoover."

• 2:38:16Joe Rogan?

  So... That's why it's, it's fun to think, like, what, what are they gonna, what's the JFK document is gonna say? What's the MLK? What is, what are they gonna tell us about UFOs? But, how much are they documenting? Like, if someone is involved in killing the president, I, I would imagine they wouldn't write that down.

• 2:38:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, you would think.

• 2:38:32Joe Rogan?

  You'd imagine.

• 2:38:33Speaker 03

  Uh, Kyle, we're gonna need you to make a statement here about shooting. Um, so I think that there's, there's probably, I don't know why I picked the name Kyle. That seems odd.

• 2:38:42Joe Rogan?

  That's a good name for a shooter.

• 2:38:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, it was. It wasn't a popular name, I don't think, back then. But, uh, I, so I, I think, look, release everything. If they don't release all the documents, at this stage, if they say, "We're gonna, we're gonna hold on to or redact a thousand pages," what the hell are they doing?

• 2:38:58Joe Rogan?

  Everyone's dead. Doesn't make any sense.

• 2:39:00Speaker 03

  Doesn't make any sense.

• 2:39:01Joe Rogan?

  It's 1963.

• 2:39:02Speaker 03

  Just put it, put it to fucking rest. And if, if there's embarrassing things in there, then, then own it, right? Accept it and, and, and fucking move on. But again, it's not gonna change the narratives that are out there, I don't think. I don't think that's gonna, it's, it's not gonna satisfy anybody.

• 2:39:16Joe Rogan?

  Wasn't it also a problem, which so much time has passed, that the waters are so muddy, in terms of like trying to see clearly exactly what happened and when it went down and how it went down? Unless they did somehow or another document everything, which seems insane, that they thought that they would just tuck that away somewhere.

• 2:39:36Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:39:36Joe Rogan?

  It just doesn't seem realistic.

• 2:39:37Speaker 03

  It doesn't, no.

• 2:39:38Joe Rogan?

  It seems much more likely that that would be something that you would have a conversation about, in a closed room. And you'd, you know.

• 2:39:46Speaker 03

  Yeah, if there was actually a cadre of people that did that, it's not in the documents, right? It's because those documents are like interviews of people on the Grassy Knoll, interviews of people who knew Jack Ruby in his, you know, life.

• 2:40:00Joe Rogan?

  My friend Evan Hafer has an interesting perspective on it, you know, special forces guy. He thinks that those guys who got fucked over at the Bay of Pigs when they didn't get air support from Kennedy, that if you were gonna find a group of hardened individuals that were essentially assassins for the government,

• 2:40:19Speaker 03

  Right.

• 2:40:19Joe Rogan?

  Those would be the guys that would have a bone to pick with JFK.

• 2:40:24Speaker 03

  Yeah. Yeah, I mean, again, until everything's visible and out there, I think everything's on the table.

• 2:40:30Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:40:30Speaker 03

  He's not wrong in the sense that they hated Kennedy. You know, but a lot of people hated Kennedy. The mob hated, you know, RFK immensely.

• 2:40:38Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, oh yeah.

• 2:40:39Speaker 03

  Because he wouldn't play ball.

• 2:40:40Joe Rogan?

  Well, also, he fucked them over because they got him elected in Chicago and then he turned on them and then they started investigating them. And they're like, hey, motherfucker.

• 2:40:47Speaker 03

  Yeah, and then depending on who you talk to, Jack Ruby was either mobbed up or he did it because he was Jewish and he didn't want, you know, the Jewish community to take that, or.

• 2:40:58Joe Rogan?

  The MKUltra version is the best version. That's Sirhan Sirhan, Charles Manson, everything.

• 2:41:05Speaker 03

  Yeah, well.

• 2:41:05Joe Rogan?

  I say it again, but Read Chaos by Tom O'Neill, ladies and gentlemen.

• 2:41:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, no, MKUltra is, that is a dark history or chapter in the history of the agency. There's no doubt about it. And again, it's one of those cases where you can't, it's like we talked about with Alan Della saying, as far as I know, we've never overthrown a country. It would be like if I sat here and said, well, as far as I know, we never did anything. Of course, of course it was.

• 2:41:26Joe Rogan?

  We've never done any mind control experiments. Why would we do that?

• 2:41:28Speaker 03

  Of course they did, yeah. It was like the experimentation that went on and that was outsourced.

• 2:41:32Joe Rogan?

  Did you see the most recent thing that people are saying about China? I think Kurt Metzger sent it to me, so I know it's gotta be accurate. He's not out of his fucking mind. Something about some new thing that they found, some Chinese mind control thing where, you saw that, Jamie?

• 2:41:53Speaker 04

  The stuff that they burned the ether, that thing?

• 2:41:56Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:41:57Speaker 04

  They burned the cryptocurrency and the guy said that they're being taken over by. Yeah, that has to be it, because it was going viral like yesterday.

• 2:42:02Speaker 03

  Oh, my god. I, how did I, how would, how would I miss, miss this? I was not on Kurt Metzer's email list.

• 2:42:09Joe Rogan?

  I don't, actually, I just checked, it wasn't Kurt.

• 2:42:12Speaker 04

  He spent like a million dollars to do that, or like wasted. That's how people saw it, I guess. It's a better way to put it.

• 2:42:16Joe Rogan?

  Wait a minute, what are you talking about?

• 2:42:17Speaker 04

  Somebody-

• 2:42:18Joe Rogan?

  What I'm talking about is some mind control thing that they're involved with, with like their version of like a Neuralink.

• 2:42:24Speaker 04

  Oh.

• 2:42:24Speaker 03

  Oh, okay.

• 2:42:26Joe Rogan?

  There's a bunch, there's more than one different scenario that they're picking.

• 2:42:30Speaker 03

  This is crazy, because what goes around comes around, right? Everything that's old is new again. Because when we talked about MKUltra, the whole reason behind MKUltra was fear that the Soviets were engaged in mind control.

• 2:42:41Joe Rogan?

  This is a different one. This is, someone burned 500, yeah, this is it. ETH to accuse Chinese hedge fund CEOs of using brain control, brain computer weapons. Allegations of mind control tech spark a crypto donation spree amid intrigue in Chinese finance circles. Yeah, this is it. So this dude, how do you say that name? Hu Lizi?

• 2:43:04Speaker 03

  Hu Lizi.

• 2:43:04Joe Rogan?

  Hu Lizi burned 603 ETH to allege Chinese hedge fund CEOs' use of brain computer weapons. Large donations totaling of 1,950 ETH, that's Ethereum, were made to various addresses, including WikiLeaks and Ukraine. A self-identified Chinese programmer has burned 603 ETH, approximately 1.65 million dollars, and donated 1,950 ETH, approximately 5.35 million, through a series of blockchain transactions while making allegations against Chinese, against executives of a Chinese hedge fund. And so this guy, I don't understand why he's donating the money.

• 2:43:46Speaker 04

  Yeah, I'm not getting this.

• 2:43:48Joe Rogan?

  Uh-

• 2:43:48Speaker 04

  So people would see it, essentially.

• 2:43:51Joe Rogan?

  Okay, he sent 500 ETH to the burn address with this message. The CEO of Quanday Investment Feng Zhen and Ju Zhi. How do I say it?

• 2:44:03Speaker 03

  Yuji, I don't know Yuji.

• 2:44:04Joe Rogan?

  Use brain computer weapons to persecute all company employees and former employees. And even they themselves were controlled. Like, what?

• 2:44:14Speaker 03

  Um, okay.

• 2:44:16Joe Rogan?

  The individual identifying as Hu Lei Zhi, uh, sent multiple on-chain messages accusing Quanday Investment CEO Feng Zhen and Ju Ju Zhi of using what they term "brain computer weapons" against employees and former employees. Quanday Investment, known as Wizard Quant, is a hedge fund specializing in quantitative trading.

• 2:44:40Speaker 03

  Hmm, that old story.

• 2:44:43Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, so scroll down, it says, "This is a new mode of crime in which the victim is gradually deprived of his senses of desire until he becomes a complete slave to the digital machine. And if one day I become a victim of the final stage, I will leave the world." "As the brain-computer interface and mind-reading technology keeps developing, there is a new mode of crime in which wild animals become puppets or complete slaves to the digital machine."

• 2:45:11Speaker 03

  I saw this on South Park, it was the Human Caterpillar episode.

• 2:45:15Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:45:17Speaker 03

  Um, okay, so I don't understand, and Jamie, maybe you do, why burning through and donating, why putting all that money, just to get it seen?

• 2:45:24Speaker 04

  It would, it would draw a lot of attention to it that someone just, just literally like lit a million and a half dollars on fire.

• 2:45:31Speaker 03

  So that's it, that's really, yeah.

• 2:45:33Speaker 04

  Same reason people light themselves on fire, I guess. Get their message.

• 2:45:37Speaker 03

  Okay.

• 2:45:37Speaker 04

  Get attention.

• 2:45:38Joe Rogan?

  Wow.

• 2:45:39Speaker 04

  Whether or not it's true, that doesn't.

• 2:45:40Speaker 03

  Right, right, right.

• 2:45:41Joe Rogan?

  It doesn't mean it's true. Well, it could be just China bullshitting us and saying that they have this, so.

• 2:45:45Speaker 03

  Yeah. Well, but again, the amazing thing is, is that, is that, like, everything kind of repeats itself, I suppose. If, you could look at it that way, I'm not going to go into some grand thought, but, look, I mean, you know, we're engaged in World War I-style warfare in, in Europe now, right? With trench warfare. Warfare between Ukraine and Russia. This, we're talking about mind control from Chinese regime, right? There was a, that was what started MK Alter was fear of the Soviets and the, and the North Koreans at the time. Getting engaged in, in mind control and the worry that we were, you know, somehow behind the curve and that they had this technology, the capability to, to control minds. And so next thing you know, you know, MK Alter is, is born and, you know.

• 2:46:25Joe Rogan?

  I wonder what's the method they're supposedly using to control these people's minds? Like, there was pretty vague slaves to the digital machine, like what?

• 2:46:34Speaker 04

  And same kind of stuff we said, but a couple more of the messages.

• 2:46:37Joe Rogan?

  Elaborates on alleged activities they're engaged in, which include deploying brain computer chips to control all citizens until they become complete, complete slaves to the digital machine. Simeon D. distraught Lazy, who described himself as an ordinary computer programmer and entrepreneur. That's what I'd say too, if I worked for the Chinese government. Claims he's been controlled by the mind control organization from the time he was born, but only discovered he's being manipulated in October 2022. So from the time he was born, they had a chip in his brain? Is that what he's saying? That's not real.

• 2:47:07Speaker 03

  No.

• 2:47:07Joe Rogan?

  Because they didn't have that back then.

• 2:47:09Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm concerned over the legitimacy of this.

• 2:47:12Joe Rogan?

  Or if they did, how would it still be active in your brain? Like, how do you not have brain cancer?

• 2:47:16Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:47:17Joe Rogan?

  Uh, it's been a very pain, I mean, maybe it's real. I'm just fucking around here. Maybe, uh, it's been a very painful in the last two years, Lazy wrote. Now I have completely lost my dignity as a human being. I've decided to leave this world and I hope this ugly world will be destroyed soon. Oh, well, that guy sounds like a whole bunch of fun.

• 2:47:35Speaker 04

  Yeah, I said that that he just did it just to give the story some credence, which that doesn't, I don't know.

• 2:47:40Joe Rogan?

  Yeah, that's the problem with today. It's like, there's so many bullshit stories. It's like, that sounds fun to say, they've mind control.

• 2:47:48Speaker 03

  Well, that's it. If you throw, if you throw shit out there and you couch it in a certain way and you, you know, oftentimes you'll see some of this and, and, you know, I'm, I'm using big words and I'm talking about the, and, you know, it's like the, it's like the fucking UFO hearings up on Capitol Hill, right? I don't know how many times I've had to sit and listen to, you know, I, I've seen some stuff. I can't tell you what the stuff is.

• 2:48:07Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:48:07Speaker 03

  It's hidden stuff, but I've seen some stuff.

• 2:48:10Joe Rogan?

  I know, I get so tired of it all.

• 2:48:11Speaker 03

  Yeah. And, and I think there's, I think there's, there, there's something out there, right? I'm not, you know, again, I, I, you know, I, I agree with you in the sense that, you know, we. We're certainly not the only ones out here floating around, right? Um, I don't know what it means. I don't know whether we've been visited or anything like that. But every time there's a, you know, a UFO hearing, it's this, it's sort of that same thing. It's that tantalizing, like, oh, look, he's talking, he's talking, and then it's, ugh.

• 2:48:38Joe Rogan?

  The thing about the release of those documents, though, that seems to me that that's something that you would document.

• 2:48:43Speaker 03

  Like, so- Yes.

• 2:48:44Joe Rogan?

  Rather than say, I killed JFK, I'm gonna write, what do you want, where do I sign? Instead of that, it's more, that's more tangible. Like, if the government had recovered some crash in 1947 in Roswell, New Mexico, and it really was an alien spaceship, that seems like something they would document.

• 2:49:02Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, I agree. And I think that's, I think that's worth pursuing in a, in a big way. They should, it needs to be more transparency about it. Um, but, and it's also the same like with the COVID files, if there's such a thing as COVID files. But sure, go through and look. I mean, transparency, you know, to the degree that you can, where, you know, you're not releasing national secrets that are gonna get people killed, great. But, um, the Epstein files, you know, so I think there's, there's real value in saying, we've got, because the government always overclassifies, always overclassifies. And, you know, it's, and it's unnecessary, and it creates, you know, this, this distrust, I think, half the time of, of, you know, the-

• 2:49:42Joe Rogan?

  For sure.

• 2:49:43Speaker 03

  Yeah, they're just like, what the fuck, we don't believe anything you're saying now.

• 2:49:45Joe Rogan?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:46Speaker 03

  So, release everything, um, let the chips fall. I, I, cause I don't think, honestly, I don't think there's a lot of, you know, information there. But I do think with the UFOs, all the documentation of, of, uh, and the investigations that took place of, of unknown sightings, um, but it's still gonna not convince people that we're not holding on to, you know, crashed-

• 2:50:06Joe Rogan?

  Right.

• 2:50:07Speaker 03

  -spaceships.

• 2:50:08Joe Rogan?

  Well, when you've got guys like David Grush, you know, who's the whistleblower that comes out and says, not only do we have these ships, but we have biological entities.

• 2:50:17Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, okay, well then, you know, maybe explain yourself a little more, right? I mean, you've already come out, you kinda like opened your kimono a little bit, and let's, you know, just fucking say what you know, and then put it to rest. Maybe you got an obligation to do that, right? I mean-

• 2:50:32Joe Rogan?

  I think he wants to, according to him.

• 2:50:34Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:50:34Joe Rogan?

  But he has to get clearance.

• 2:50:38Speaker 03

  He's already, yeah, he's already, he's already pushed that door open, right? I mean, I mean-

• 2:50:41Joe Rogan?

  I don't know.

• 2:50:41Speaker 03

  As an individual, right?

• 2:50:42Joe Rogan?

  He explained on the podcast that he's authorized to say what he's already said, but nothing more, and he has to be very careful. But then again, it's like, how do I know?

• 2:50:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, I know.

• 2:50:51Joe Rogan?

  How do I know that's not horseshit?

• 2:50:52Speaker 03

  I know. It's, and that's, and that's the problem, and that's gonna be the problem with the release of the files is-

• 2:50:56Joe Rogan?

  Also, if I was gonna obscure some sort of a government propulsion system that's like fifty years ahead of anything we could imagine, that's how I would do it. I'd obscure it by saying, oh, there's some fucking alien technology that's available, and-

• 2:51:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 2:51:08Joe Rogan?

  We don't really know how to use it, but they do visit us from time to time, and occasionally they crash.

• 2:51:12Speaker 03

  Well, they came over to New Jersey? Remember the drones over in New Jersey?

• 2:51:16Joe Rogan?

  Right. But now the Trump administration has said those were, they were running some tests, and those were ours.

• 2:51:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, yeah. So why wouldn't the Biden administration say that? What the hell?

• 2:51:24Joe Rogan?

  Fuck, I don't know.

• 2:51:25Speaker 03

  I mean, what's, what's the point?

• 2:51:26Joe Rogan?

  You know, maybe you should tell me.

• 2:51:27Speaker 03

  Well, I do know, but I'm not, I'm not, I'm not authorized to say.

• 2:51:30Joe Rogan?

  We gotta get you in a skip.

• 2:51:31Speaker 03

  Yeah, but I know some stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I just can't say the stuff, anyway.

• 2:51:36Joe Rogan?

  Well, listen, Mike, it's always great to talk to you.

• 2:51:37Speaker 03

  Thank you, man.

• 2:51:38Joe Rogan?

  It's been a blast, as always. Uh, tell everybody about your show, where they can watch it.

• 2:51:41Speaker 03

  Oh, thank you. Uh, yeah.

• 2:51:43Joe Rogan?

  And listen to the presidential briefing.

• 2:51:46Speaker 03

  I can't think of a way I, I'd more rather spend my twentieth wedding anniversary than right here.

• 2:51:52Speaker 03

  You wanna go out to dinner? Um, so, yeah, there it is.

• 2:51:55Joe Rogan?

  Here it is, the President's Daily Brief with Mike Baker. Subscribe, YouTube, uh, President's Daily Brief on YouTube.

• 2:52:01Speaker 03

  It's very easy to listen to, twenty minutes in the morning, ten minutes in the afternoon. We, we just cover the news, we don't tell you how to think about it. It's, the top stories happening around the globe, and, um, I like the idea that it's not, it's not an opinion show. I mean, occasionally something sneaks in, but for the most part, we try to keep it based on the facts. And it's, it's really simple, it's, and you can find it, again, um, at President's Daily Brief on YouTube.

• 2:52:23Joe Rogan?

  Well, there's a real need for something like that today.

• 2:52:26Speaker 03

  Well, you know, it's doing really well, because I think people actually want that nowadays. And they also like the, they like the brevity of it, right? Nobody wants to listen to me for, well, I don't know, hours, but anyway.

• 2:52:35Joe Rogan?

  We just did.

• 2:52:36Speaker 03

  And we just did.

• 2:52:37Joe Rogan?

  All right.

• 2:52:38Speaker 03

  Hey, thank you, man.

• 2:52:38Joe Rogan?

  Thank you, Mike, appreciate you. All right, bye, everybody.

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