S1E12: Exploring Animal Telepathy with Ditte Young | Talk Tracks

In this episode of The Talk Tracks, we dive into the fascinating world of animal telepathy with renowned communicator Ditte Young, whose work has transformed the relationships between top equestrians and their horses. Joining us are Ellen Birgitte “EB” Farbrot, a Norwegian dressage rider who has competed in two World Championships and qualified for two Olympic Games, and Amalie König, a Danish national showjumping team rider with multiple championship wins. Both athletes share remarkable experiences of how Ditte’s telepathic insights have helped them overcome challenges with their horses—ranging from debilitating performance blocks to deeply personal health revelations that their animals seemed to sense before they did. But Ditte’s abilities aren’t just reserved for elite riders and their championship horses. In this episode, Ky also enlists Ditte’s help to connect with her family’s rescue dog, Tucker, a senior pup with a tragic past who has struggled to trust and connect since being adopted. What unfolds is an astonishing session that reveals details Ditte couldn’t possibly have known—shedding light on Tucker’s inner world and offering a pathway to healing. Whether you’re a skeptic or a believer, this episode explores the profound and often overlooked bonds we share with the animals in our lives and asks: Could telepathy be real, and if so, what does it mean for our understanding of connection itself? _______ Join The Telepathy Tapes Backstage Pass https://thetelepathytapes.supercast.com/ to get ad-free episodes, never-before-heard interviews, behind-the-scenes documentary footage, and access to our private Discord community. This is your invitation to come closer. To help shape what’s next. To be more than a listener… to be a co-creator of this paradigm shift. So if you’ve felt moved, if you’ve felt seen, if you’ve felt the call, subscribe today and join us: thetelepathytapes.com. https://thetelepathytapes.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:33Ky Dickens?

  Hi, everyone. I'm Kai Dickens, and I'm thrilled to welcome you to the Talk Tracks. In this series, we dive deeper into the revelations, challenges, and unexpected truths from the telepathy tapes. The goal is to explore all the threads that weave together our understanding of reality, science, spirituality, and yes, even unexplained things like psi abilities. If you haven't yet listened to season one of the Telepathy Tapes, I encourage you to start there. It lays the foundation for everything we'll be exploring in this journey. We'll feature conversations with groundbreaking researchers, thinkers, non-speakers, and experiencers who illuminate the extraordinary connections that may defy explanation today but won't for long.

• 1:16Ky Dickens?

  Today, we're meeting Ditte Young. She's a renowned telepathic animal communicator, TEDx speaker, and author of four books. Ditte has achieved incredible success working with Olympic and national team riders from all over the world, helping them to build deeper connections with their animals through her unique telepathic abilities. Her groundbreaking work offers fascinating insights into the emotional and telepathic bonds between humans and animals. I first met Ditte over three years ago in Copenhagen, when I was solely focused on telepathy and non-speaking individuals. Ditte has a non-speaking son, Philip, and she experiences telepathy with him.

• 1:52Speaker 01

  Philip is my child. He's 16 years old. He was born blind. And now he has some visual. He has minor brain damage as well and he's autistic. He has the verbal language, but need a lot of support from me to practice that language. So he finds telepathy a lot easier with me. And he knows that I'm capable of practicing telepathy with him. So when he's sitting in his room, he calls for me in my head. And when I enter his room, he could have a nose bleed or his iPad is malfunctioning. And he actually needs my help.

• 2:36Speaker 01

  So that's my little wonder child.

• 2:38Ky Dickens?

  When we were getting acquainted, she brought up her work as an animal communicator. But at that time, I just didn't think it was possible. And I think it's because of that old fashioned notion in my mind that animals aren't capable of language. And at this point, it's as if my brain could only comprehend telepathy was possible with non-speakers. But Dieter and I kept in contact. And as my worldview and paradigm shifted, my stance softened. And today we'll meet Dieter and two incredible national team riders who she's helped through telepathy with their horses.

• 3:09Speaker 02

  My name is Emily Koenig. I'm a Danish show jumping rider and I'm 23 years old. I'm competing with the national show jumping team for under 20. And right now I'm most known for my horse, Josina. And we have together won the Nordic Championships for teams two times now.

• 3:29Ky Dickens?

  Emily is one of two riders that we'll meet today as we explore whether it's possible for humans to telepathically communicate with animals.

• 3:36Speaker 02

  I had this Koenig horse, won everything he could win. And I was totally in love with this horse, but couldn't figure out why it wouldn't jump these water jumps with me, but could with the girl before.

• 3:51Ky Dickens?

  So there's this champion pony who would happily do water jumps with various riders, but just wouldn't do them with Emily.

• 3:57Speaker 02

  Every time I would ride up to this jump, I could feel him tense up, but couldn't decide, okay, what did he look at? I nearly gave up on this relationship with the horse. I think I was 11 or 12. My mom came to me and said, hey, I found this woman on Facebook. She says he. Can speak to horses and I was like, okay. I was very skeptical in the beginning.

• 4:21Ky Dickens?

  The woman they found was Dieter Young.

• 4:23Speaker 01

  My name is Dieter Young. I'm located in Copenhagen, Denmark. I've been working as an animal communicator for the last 27 years.

• 4:34Ky Dickens?

  So Dieter comes into Emily's life to determine why this pony won't do water jumps with her.

• 4:38Speaker 01

  Emily had a lot of trainers and a lot of sports and mental coaches. And her mom have heard of me and this alternative way of working around the ponies. Because you, you ride on a pony till the age of 16 and then you swap to horses in the equine industry. Emily had this huge problem that one of her ponies wouldn't jump over water. And that's required during these competitions. It just stopped and it's pretty dangerous to stop while you're at full speed ahead. Because she's gonna fall out.

• 5:14Speaker 02

  I already had in my head, without speaking to her about it, that it was like broken glass. He was looking at it, couldn't see the bottom of where the water began and where it stopped. The first time she stood in our stable, Dieter told me stuff about me and my horse that only a veterinarian would know.

• 5:34Ky Dickens?

  And even more notable to Emily, Dieter accurately stated the vision Emily was already having. Making her wonder if the vision was hers or coming from her horse.

• 5:45Speaker 02

  Of where the water began and where it stopped.

• 5:47Speaker 01

  Her pony told me, it's like, I can't see, the sun reflects on the water. And I'm afraid that I'm gonna, you know, fall, so I'm actually taking care of Emily. So if she can measure it for me and I'm gonna jump like blindfolded, I think I might do it. And I told this to Emily and she did it and it, it worked. And she was just bawling her eyes out. And the information came to me in pictures and thoughts into my own head.

• 6:18Speaker 02

  And yeah, I started to believe a bit more and a bit more. But there when I was 16, I really started to be like, holy shit. Where does my horse know this from?

• 6:30Ky Dickens?

  So now, years later, at the age of 16, there's another horse who won't do jumps with Emily. As a refresher, Emily is a Danish national show jumping rider, so jumping is kind of her thing. And similar to the last story, this new horse would do jumps with other people, just not with her.

• 6:45Speaker 02

  Like, it wouldn't jump the bigger jumps with me.

• 6:48Ky Dickens?

  So once again, she called Indita, and the horse communicated.

• 6:51Speaker 01

  That he was trying to protect Emily because he felt that she was inflammatory in her entire body, especially in her knees, and that's where you have contact.

• 7:02Ky Dickens?

  Emily is only 16 at the time, so having inflammation around her entire body and in her knees didn't make much sense, especially because Emily wasn't feeling any pain.

• 7:11Speaker 02

  My horse was telling me that I had warm knees. I couldn't feel it myself that I was hurting, but my horse could feel it for me.

• 7:20Ky Dickens?

  What does warm knees mean? I don't know that term.

• 7:23Speaker 02

  Oh, my knees would get warm and swollen.

• 7:25Ky Dickens?

  Oh, just warm. Okay, like temperature warm. Okay.

• 7:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 7:28Ky Dickens?

  The horse was afraid to go over the jumps because it's like it knew it would hurt your knees?

• 7:34Speaker 02

  He wouldn't jump because he thought it would hurt me and not him.

• 7:39Speaker 01

  And I remember inflammatory, and I remember I told her, I think you should, you should go check this out with the doctor. And then she came back with arthritis.

• 7:50Ky Dickens?

  Which is amazing because she's not even, she's not even 20, right? She's very young.

• 7:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's something called children arthritis.

• 7:57Ky Dickens?

  This is so fascinating. So your horse could feel your arthritis, basically, before you could even?

• 8:03Speaker 02

  Yeah. In the beginning, we didn't know it was arthritis.

• 8:06Ky Dickens?

  And how did the horse convey that he was worried about her knees? Like, was that through images or was it through, again, like more of like a language you were interpreting?

• 8:14Speaker 01

  It was a language and an emotion where I felt comfort for her and the need for, I just want to protect you, Emily. So I just translated that your pony, you know, wants to protect you.

• 8:26Speaker 02

  My horse told me that he wasn't comfortable doing big jumps with me anymore because he thought it would hurt me.

• 8:34Ky Dickens?

  The family began trying various medications for Emily. And as wild as this sounds, the horse would convey to Ditte, the animal communicator, if the medication was working, even before the doctors would know.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  I do remember that the horse told me, that's not it, that's not the medicine yet. Keep testing it. I'm not her psychiatrist, I'm not the doctor. I just told her, go seek the doctor and ask if this makes sense. And eventually, we found the right medicine. And she will always suffer from arthritis. But I do know that they got the right medicine. And the biggest pain issues was removed.

• 9:12Ky Dickens?

  Today, Emily is still riding for the Danish national team and will hopefully qualify for the 2028 Olympics in Los Angeles. And Dieter is still in their lives and helping with their horses.

• 9:22Speaker 02

  Last year, I came home from a competition, and one of my competition horses had a couple of days off. And suddenly, she started breaking out in these kind of hot spots over her body. And then there was another one, and another one. And it just kept spreading out. And first, we had one veterinarian out to take some tests. And they came back unclear. Then we got another veterinarian out, we sent out tests, the results come back unclear. And we went on for three weeks. And suddenly, we had 20 horses with these kind of weird spots over their bodies.

• 10:03Speaker 02

  And me and my mom was just pulling out our hair. We couldn't figure it out what it was. Nothing helped.

• 10:09Ky Dickens?

  So they called in Dieter Young once again.

• 10:11Speaker 01

  She told me she had 25 horses, because they sell horses as well, that has gotten sick. And people were frustrated, desperate. There was such a bad energy in the stables. And I tuned in, like, one huge energy from mine to theirs, asking them, what's going on in the stable? And it was like a mutual calling back to me, like a tone of a voice in my head saying, we suffer from too much water. There is water allergy going on. And I was like, water allergy? Can this be true? And I told the mom, you need to look this up, if this could be water allergy.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  You told us, I think you need to change the bedding. The bedding in the entire stable and that is very, very expensive. And why the bedding and you told us it's, it's too wet. The mom said, no, I will not do that, Dida. And I told her, well, then don't, but you need, you need to trust me on this one. And actually I was a little bit afraid because I knew that was gonna cost her a lot of money. And she did it and she sent in testing for water allergy to Germany, to another hospital down there. Twenty-four hours later, she called me back and said, you did it again, Dida. Uh, they just got tested and tested positive for water allergy.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  And a week later, after they did exchange the beddings for 25 horses, she called me and said, we have 25 healthy horses now.

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• 14:23Speaker 01

  If you are not very talented, you can never get the chance to make a living out of it for more than a week. People's gonna notice it.

• 14:33Ky Dickens?

  I love that. That's so true. I mean, like, success is your calling card, right? In any endeavor. Okay, so you've worked with a lot of national team riders, not just in Denmark, but Sweden and Norway and other places. When you get to that level of rider, is there an acceptance and belief that there is a telepathic link or communication between rider and horse? Or do you think there's more skepticism?

• 14:56Speaker 01

  I believe that they already know there is a telepathical communication going on in their programs during their training, because when you work at that high a level, you need to be totally simultaneously with the horse. And that's telepathy. You sense each other, you feel one another, you send images to the horse and it performs or it does whatever you need it to do. The higher you get in this industry, the more people have an opinion of what you're doing. So I think when people experience skepticism in the elite, it's because the riders are afraid of what other people might think of them.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  That could be the judges, that could be the national team trainers, which makes them more cautious to speak openly about it. But they do use it, otherwise I wouldn't have helped so many as I have. I'm helping everything from royal families to national team riders, from military dressage, show jumping in Brazil, the UK, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, the Netherlands, Germany.

• 16:11Ky Dickens?

  I wanted to talk to one of these super experienced riders to get their take on Ditte's skills.

• 16:15Speaker 03

  My name is Hjellin Bergirin Farbrud, and I'm called EB. I am a Norwegian dressage rider. I've been qualified for two Olympic championships. I was the national team champion in Norway three times as a senior rider at Grand Prix level.

• 16:33Ky Dickens?

  And she too has many convincing stories of Ditte communicating with her horses, and here's one of them.

• 16:38Speaker 03

  The one time that made the most impact, like both on my sporting career and myself as a person, was the one time I had Ditte helping me with Tahinha, the horse that I also was qualified for the Olympics with. We were, we had a lot of issues loading her in the trailer or in the truck. She was a big horse and she had some claustrophobic anxiety when she was in the truck. I always like went to shows very close by. And this time I had to drive for hours to Norway and I kind of panicked a little

• 17:22Speaker 03

  that I had to do this with her in order to be a part of the Norwegian team. So I called Didier and said, I really need your help with this horse.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  She called me because she had a horse who was going to the Norwegian championship. And she knew for a fact that this horse would usually be exhausted and hydrated. So it wouldn't perform and she would lose every single time. And she had no idea how to solve this issue. So I did a telepathical communication with the horse, Tahinha was her name. And she told me through images and emotions that she was out of balance in that huge truck. And sixteen hours, that would be a lot. So Tahinha asked me, could you tell EB

• 18:14Speaker 01

  to tell me telepathically where we are going, you know, now I'm going to the right. Now I'm going to the left and then I have a chance to balance myself back there. And when I told EB the story, he laughed and said, Art, Didier, are you kidding me? Do you want me to talk to my horse for sixteen hours straight in a car? And I said, yeah.

• 18:38Speaker 03

  I thought Didier was a little bit crazy, but I did, like she told me. And I drove all the way to Norway and she was standing there like she had never done in her life. And she was like eating and drinking and behaved so nice. And we got a silver medal at the Norwegian championship, which was also our our main goal. And I thought that, okay, my horse is cured.

• 19:04Speaker 01

  She called me and she was so proud and she forgot to do it on her way back home. And then the horse got sick.

• 19:12Speaker 03

  I had to call the vet to come and sedate her and give her the fluids. So from that day on, I always told her if we were going right or left or whatever. And I had her for five years where I did the same thing and I was always driving her. Except this one time, when my groom was to drive her home from the shows and she was kind of laughing at me for doing doing this all the time because I always said to her, "Don't talk to me while driving this horse because I have to focus." And she couldn't load it on the way home before she told the horse, "Okay, I'm sorry, you won't bump your head and I will tell you how the journey will be."

• 19:55Speaker 03

  So, wait, who said the horse you won't bump your head? When my groom was to drive her home one time, she couldn't load her without saying it.

• 20:04Ky Dickens?

  But then she said it and then the horse would get in?

• 20:07Speaker 03

  Yeah, she just, yeah, then she just went in by all, by herself.

• 20:10Ky Dickens?

  But you know what's so interesting about this? I mean, is she saying it with language? Because is it like, do you think the horses are just interpreting the meaning behind it? Like telepathy or do you think they understand our language in some degree?

• 20:20Speaker 03

  I think it's, if you believe it when you think it, then the horse will do what you say. But if you believe it when you say it out loud, then you need to say it out loud.

• 20:31Ky Dickens?

  So you're saying like, whatever you believe more, deliver it that way? So if you're saying it with words and that is the most intention and belief, deliver the message in words. And if you can just do it in thought and have the same message and intention and all that with just a thought, then deliver it that way. Like, it doesn't matter if you say it out loud, as long as you're believing it, the horse will get it.

• 20:50Speaker 03

  Yeah, absolutely. I would never have had a medal if it wasn't for Ditte. And I think also to go for the qualifying for the Olympics, if it wasn't for Ditte, it wouldn't have happened.

• 21:03Ky Dickens?

  Ditte has a ton of videos on her social media and going through them is astounding because so many riders have been deeply transformed and convinced by Ditte's telepathic communication with their animals. And so I asked Ditte if she could step in and help my family better understand the dog we rescued last year. So to set the stage, we need to rewind one year ago to February 2024. Our family had recently put down our very senior dog, Eos. I was walking my daughter to school and she asked me if we could get another dog. We were totally maxed out, we have two cats, two kids, and I said, "The only way we'll ever adopt another dog is if one is put into a path who desperately needs a home and has no one else to help it."

• 21:46Ky Dickens?

  And a few hours later, mark my words, like hours later, I received this video from my wife, Kaisa.

• 21:54Speaker 04

  So... Um, I have some news. I just got off of my volunteer shift and I'm heading up the street. I see this like dog running into traffic, which is freaking terrifying. And he is now in the back of my car. And I don't know what to do with him. He's like super skinny and he looks like he hasn't eaten anything. He's thirsty, doesn't have any color. Um, and I, I don't know what to do. I'm gonna go to the shelter and just see if he's been reported missing.

• 22:34Ky Dickens?

  The shelter turned her away and asked her to go to another location. But just like in the meantime, to help with Tucker's immediate needs, she brought him home. And we bathed him and we fed him and we hugged him. And then we brought him back to the appropriate shelter for a stray hold, hoping his family might find him. Two weeks later, nobody had claimed him. They ran his chip and his last owner had died. He had all sorts of medical issues, including regular seizures. And we just figured if we didn't adopt him, nobody would.

• 23:02Speaker 05

  You're gonna live here now. You're gonna live with us now. They gave me coupons for Pecan and VCA. Wonderful. So he can go and get a free checkup and all that stuff at VCA.

• 23:13Ky Dickens?

  In time, we found out Tucker was about 10 years old. He was mostly blind and deaf, and he had regular seizures. We were in and out of the vet. We were trying to shower him with love and attention, but no matter what we did, he honestly just didn't seem to care. I mean, not about us or anything. He never came to the door or even lifted his head when we woke up or walked into the room or came home or came down the stairs in the morning. If the family was in the living room, he'd go to the whole other side of the house. Often he'd find the darkest, loneliest corner and lay there. And if we went and picked him up, he'd go back to that sad corner. We read a lot and we understood that with love and time and consistency, this antisocial behavior would most likely change in maybe three months, six months. But it's actually gotten worse.

• 24:00Ky Dickens?

  We started wondering if he just didn't like us, or maybe didn't even want to be alive. I actually started recording some of our conversations about it, so the kids would have context about what we were going through, in case they asked us like 10 years later, when they had a core memory about Tucker, they'd understand. And this is one of those conversations, when I was asking Kaisa about her thoughts on Tucker's state of mind. Wait, hold on, I'm gonna record.

• 24:21Speaker 04

  He seemed so miserable. Which is so sad. I mean, we've given him a lovely place to be and live, and we've showered him with love. It's been a real struggle, because you feel like you read everything. You could possibly read to help a dog that's been homeless and possibly abused, or at least neglected for a little while, because he was on the streets for a couple of months. But nothing seemed to work.

• 24:45Ky Dickens?

  Like I said, it's been a year. And the one thing we always say to each other in these conversations is...

• 24:50Speaker 04

  I just wish we knew what he was thinking. Yeah, I've always said I wish he could speak.

• 24:54Ky Dickens?

  So after my interview with Dieter, I sent an email, asking her if she could telepathically read Tucker. She said yes, and that she could do this remotely from Denmark. But it would help to get on Zoom, so she could look into his eyes. When we first got on Zoom, Tucker was in Kaisa's lap. We were on the couch, and my laptop was on the coffee table. And then suddenly Tucker kind of wigged out and jumped onto the ground. So would it help for me to put the computer down by him?

• 25:17Speaker 01

  No, no, it's okay. I am already communicating with him, so that's no problem.

• 25:21Ky Dickens?

  Okay.

• 25:21Speaker 01

  I would rather look at your faces, actually, so I know for sure that you understand what I'm saying when I'm doing this.

• 25:29Ky Dickens?

  Yeah.

• 25:30Speaker 01

  If that's okay?

• 25:31Ky Dickens?

  Yeah, let me just... I'm gonna just get our computer, because we're sitting in a weird space. Here we go.

• 25:34Speaker 01

  You are ready.

• 25:36Ky Dickens?

  Now we're ready.

• 25:38Speaker 01

  So what I did was I glanced into Tucker's eyes, even though we have a blind spot. He's not completely blind. When I start communicating with Tucker, I introduce myself. "Hey, my name is Dieter, and I'm here just to communicate with you." And the first thing he says, like a thought in my own head... Yeah, but what do you want? So he's skeptic about what do I, what do I want? And I'm sitting here with your family members, the adults one, and they have questions for you, probably. If he would like, would you like to help us with that? And he says, yes. So to begin with, I asked him about his personality profile.

• 26:22Speaker 01

  He says, I was playful. I am a little bit. It's getting harder with age. Uh, but I am playful. I'm sensitive and I'm a little prince. He shows me a park where he used to run around free. And I don't know where that park is, but I, he shows me images with children and I don't think it's with your family.

• 26:48Speaker 02

  Mm hmm.

• 26:49Speaker 01

  So I actually have him under suspicion that he has had another owner prior to the owner you might know. Actually, I think he's been moved more than once.

• 27:02Ky Dickens?

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• 28:31Ky Dickens?

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• 29:14Ky Dickens?

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• 29:47Speaker 01

  I think he's been with the family and he's running around and running after frisbee and a ball. And yeah, he's happy, but that was many years ago. He has that playfulness and he says, take me to a park. And you will definitely see that my energy will go up a little bit. The sensitive side of me is more skeptic. And this is also a shock and traumatized emotion I get because the thing he says, and I hope that it's okay with you that I'm being frank with you and being very open. Yeah, absolutely. He keeps asking me, am I here to stay? Am I here to stay or do I have to get into a new home?

• 30:32Speaker 01

  So he's.

• 30:35Speaker 01

  Are you okay, Kai?

• 30:36Speaker 04

  No, I'm just crying. It's just so sweet to think of it. I mean, it's like a happy life before. Anyway, keep going. I just am sensitive, of course. Go on.

• 30:44Ky Dickens?

  And though that was true, I was feeling totally exposed. Because over the past four weeks, Kai'sa and I started questioning whether Tucker liked us and wanted to be with us. And we started looking into finding him a new home that was slower paced with maybe an older caregiver that had a consistent and slower and calmer life. So, in short, Tucker had every reason to worry that we weren't his forever home. And it just broke my heart to hear it. And though I'm the one that typically cries at movies, Kai'sa was crying too.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  He's not 100% sure that he's here to stay. So can I tell him that for a fact? Mm-hmm. Okay. I'm telling him, "You are there to stay. This is your new family. I feel this." This was me exhaling, like massive exhaling. He's so relieved, like, "Okay." But, because he says, "The reason why I often don't want to look at them is because I get so sad because I don't understand where they are going. Are they coming back?" We're talking about in and out your house. He says, "There are many people going in and out, in and out, but they are only telling me, 'I will come back.'"

• 31:56Speaker 01

  You know, like, if you, Kai'sa, you're leaving the house, you would say, "Hey, Tucker, I'm coming back." But what he's interested in knowing is, "I'm coming back to you." If you understand that. That's the difference. "I'm coming back to you at 4:00 PM." And this might sound ridiculous to some people. How can you understand the time? But he understands the energy of time. So it's important for Tucker, "Are you gonna be away for 20 minutes or 6 hours?" I'm being personal here.

• 32:29Speaker 04

  Yes, please, please.

• 32:30Speaker 01

  Okay. So, he says to you, Kai'sa, that he loves you, he loves your heart, and he wants you to trust your talents, because it seems like you're doubting yourself which way to go right now.

• 32:44Ky Dickens?

  Kai'sa was the one who found him, and it is clear that he trusts her and I think loves her the most in the family. And this personal note really resonated with Kai'sa, who lacks confidence. And it seems like Kai'sa's doubting of herself is impacting Tucker, who is also doubting himself.

• 32:59Speaker 01

  And when you doubt yourself, it makes me insecure. So don't doubt yourself that much. Does this make sense?

• 33:07Ky Dickens?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 33:08Speaker 01

  Okay, when I ask him about health issues, and it's important for me to say I'm not the veterinarian, you have to to get this verified at the veterinarian. But when it comes to health issues, he shows me that he's a hundred percent blind on his right eye. And he shows me he has a little bit of a vision on his left eye. And I can tell there is gray areas, which I assume could be cataracts on the left eye.

• 33:39Ky Dickens?

  Consulting his medical chart, this was all true. And again, there's no way she could have known this.

• 33:43Speaker 01

  The second thing is, I think that he was used to having human food from his prior owner. I feel, I sense that could be like old women do with animals, like hand feed them with human food. Because I feel like have eaten a pizza, toast, bread, sausages, human sausages. So what you're doing correct is having a very high quality food, but he's not used to it. He can't handle it. I have him under suspicion for something called protein allergy.

• 34:25Speaker 01

  Because I sense that he can't break down the protein in his food. And I feel it itches. I feel the blood is itching, my body is itching because of a malfunctioning liver. Does that make sense? Is he on high quality food?

• 34:42Ky Dickens?

  Yeah, yeah, he is. The remarkable thing about this exchange is that Tucker has been itching himself dry for weeks. We've taken him to the vet. We've given him all sorts of soothing baths and anti itch treatments and oatmeal treatments and and nothing has worked. Yeah. Does he like us?

• 35:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, he loves you, but he wasn't sure that you were, he was there to stay. What he lacks is actually structure. And if you can't have that, just tell him, Tucker, today we're bringing in my daughter's friends after school and they're gonna stay here for supper and then they're gonna go home. Then it's predictable, but he's not depressed. He's just insecure. Now I told him, you're here to stay. Please, he will never get tired of that because I think he got moved twice.

• 35:32Ky Dickens?

  When we first had his chip scanned, they scanned the one and then we found out that this woman had just passed two months before.

• 35:39Speaker 01

  Actually, now you told me it was a woman. I, it's easy for me to say now, but I never doubted it was a woman who died because I feel that there is a shock and trauma combined with, why did, why did she leave me here by myself, he says, which also means that it took them a while before they found the woman.

• 35:59Ky Dickens?

  Yeah.

• 36:00Speaker 01

  So he was all by himself there with her.

• 36:03Ky Dickens?

  Yeah.

• 36:04Speaker 01

  Does your son have swords?

• 36:08Ky Dickens?

  Yes. This was really shocking because two weeks ago, our son won two light up swords at the arcade. They're really bright and noisy and he plays with them at the same time. And there's just no way Dieter could have known this.

• 36:20Speaker 01

  Tucker shows me a picture that he think it's funny. So even though he can't interact with your son when he's playing with the swords, he's like cheering on your son. It's not frightening for Tucker.

• 36:34Ky Dickens?

  Okay. And then one more question because I know we feel really bad about this. We have a, you know, we live in Southern California, so it's usually seventy and beautiful outside. It's just gorgeous weather. We walk him in the morning, in the night, we walk him. But we've put him in the backyard so he can enjoy the sun and we want to know if he likes going outside.

• 36:52Speaker 01

  He says, I like the outside, but what would you want me to do here?

• 36:57Ky Dickens?

  That tracks. Yeah, actually. Because we do, we put him outside. Like, most dogs will lay in the sun and often he'll walk to the farthest corner of the yard.

• 37:05Speaker 04

  And he'll just stare at the fence or something.

• 37:07Ky Dickens?

  And he'll just sit and look at the fence. And it's so depressing because you think, this is, you will go play in the grass and roll around and enjoy.

• 37:15Speaker 01

  And this is interesting because he lacks structure. Again, he is not the type of dog that goes around playing with himself out there. You need to be with him and tell him, there's a tree, just let's sit around the, around the tree. Okay, there is a bird, I can hear the bird. So send with me, because otherwise it's pretty boring to be outside by myself.

• 37:40Ky Dickens?

  Okay, so he just needs confidence.

• 37:42Speaker 01

  I think with the prior owner who passed away, I think he's used to a little fenced backyard. That's what he shows me. And walking around with her in the area. That's basically it.

• 37:57Ky Dickens?

  This conversation went on for maybe another 15, 20 minutes, and we felt really emotional afterward. Ditte knew things about him and our family that there's no way she could have known. She even knew the genders and the personalities of our cats, which was another fun tangent in the conversation. The next day, I asked Kai's about it, and we're both running around the kitchen here doing chores, trying to start our morning. What did you think about that with, with Ditte? Did you believe it?

• 38:19Speaker 04

  I mean, she was incredibly accurate. She knew that our son had gotten new swords. She knew which eye he was totally blinded in. She knew he had had two, two owners before.

• 38:33Ky Dickens?

  Did you believe any of it going in?

• 38:34Speaker 04

  Well, I mean, I've been a fly on the wall here. So, yeah.

• 38:38Ky Dickens?

  She's referring to hearing all of my conversations about telepathy over the past few years. But what she said next was really interesting.

• 38:45Speaker 04

  I think growing up on a farm, you always know that animals are communicating without talking.

• 38:51Speaker 04

  I mean, that's just all around us all the time. So it's not as far-fetched for me as maybe somebody else that didn't have that upbringing.

• 38:58Ky Dickens?

  Kaissa grew up on a thousand-acre working farm in rural Minnesota with horses and flocks of sheep and other animals.

• 39:04Speaker 04

  They were always communicating, always.

• 39:07Ky Dickens?

  Like how?

• 39:08Speaker 04

  Even the sheep, who people think are so stupid.

• 39:10Ky Dickens?

  How did you, what do you mean? They, like, what's the way you would see it?

• 39:13Speaker 04

  Well, you could just tell, like, even, you know, we were close to a couple of the bottlenams that we kept after they had grown and usually we had sent them away at a certain age. But they would always come to us, but they would also, like, bring their buddies along sometimes. And how would they have communicated that we're a safe human to come to?

• 39:36Ky Dickens?

  Yeah.

• 39:36Speaker 04

  You know? They, all their bazz kind of sound the same, at least to me.

• 39:42Speaker 04

  But somehow, you know, Sally or whoever was communicating that we were safe people to come near. So for me, that was pretty obvious.

• 39:50Ky Dickens?

  That's great. Thank you. We shared what we learned with our kids, and then we all started to change our behavior towards Tucker, making sure he knew this was his permanent home and that we were always coming home to him.

• 40:02Speaker 06

  We're all gonna go to a party and we'll be back to you around, around eight o'clock when it's dark outside. We're all gonna come back to you. Everyone's gonna come back to you, okay? We love you, Tucker.

• 40:14Ky Dickens?

  Each one of us just started acting more intentionally and purposefully.

• 40:18Speaker 05

  My buddy, go pick up your sister and then I'm gonna come back, okay? I'll be back in just a little bit. She's leaving and then she's coming back. Okay, buddy, be right back.

• 40:29Ky Dickens?

  And my son even started doing shows with his swords to make Tucker happy.

• 40:32Speaker 05

  And you, Tucker, you're coming for a show.

• 40:35Ky Dickens?

  And after all of this, I've come to fully believe that some animal communicators, like Ditte Young, are the real deal. In ways I don't understand, they seem to connect with animals and receive images and feelings from them. But all that aside, here's what I keep coming back to. Whether or not someone believes in animal communication doesn't really matter. Many philosophers agree that something is real if it produces an effect or alters the state of the world. Our reading with Ditte changed how we treat Tucker. It changed how we're thinking about him, and I think it changed how he's thinking about us. He seems happier and more at ease. And just the other night, he sat with us for like a full hour while we played a board game, something he's never done before.

• 41:16Ky Dickens?

  So, yes, I fully believe in Ditte's gifts, but I've also come to realize something deeper. The act of believing is more important than the fact of believing. The way our actions and interactions have shifted around Tucker, or the way the relationships have changed between the horses and riders that you've met, that's what matters. Her work has created profound, positive impacts, and that is real.

• 41:44Ky Dickens?

  That's it for this episode of The Talk Tracks, but new episodes will now be released every other Sunday, so stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads, even the veiled ones, that knit together our reality. Please remember to stay kind, stay curious, and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind. Thank you to my amazing collaborators. Original music was created by Elizabeth P.W., original logo and cover art by Ben Kandora Design, the audio mix and finishing by Ben Campafrida, our amazing podcast coordinator Jill Pachaznik, my amazing assistant Catherine Ellis, and I'm Kai Dickens, your writer, creator, and host. Thank you again for joining us.