S1E13: Q&A with Parents, Scientists & Educators from Season One | Talk Tracks

In this special Q&A episode of The Talk Tracks, we bring together a panel from Season One to tackle YOUR most pressing questions. Featuring Dr. Diane Powell, speech therapists, and parents of non-speaking individuals, this conversation dives into the ethics of testing, the urgent need for more trained communication partners, and the profound insights non-speakers offer about time, consciousness, and the unseen forces shaping our world. As we prepare for groundbreaking research and the launch of The Telepathy Tapes film, this episode is a call to action for belief, inclusion, and true scientific inquiry. _______ Join The Telepathy Tapes Backstage Pass https://thetelepathytapes.supercast.com/ to get ad-free episodes, never-before-heard interviews, behind-the-scenes documentary footage, and access to our private Discord community. This is your invitation to come closer. To help shape what’s next. To be more than a listener… to be a co-creator of this paradigm shift. So if you’ve felt moved, if you’ve felt seen, if you’ve felt the call, subscribe today and join us: thetelepathytapes.com. https://thetelepathytapes.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 2:12Ky Dickens?

  our time. So thank you so much for understanding as we move into this new phase of the Telepathy Tapes and the talk tracks.

• 2:19Ky Dickens?

  Hi everyone, I'm Kai Dickens and I'm thrilled to welcome you to the TalkTrax. In this series, we dive deeper into the revelations, challenges, and unexpected truths from the telepathy tapes. The goal is to explore all the threads that weave together our understanding of reality, science, spirituality, and yes, even unexplained things like psi abilities. If you haven't yet listened to season one of the telepathy tapes, I encourage you to start there. It lays the foundation for everything we'll be exploring in this journey. We'll feature conversations with groundbreaking researchers, thinkers, non-speakers, and experiencers who illuminate the extraordinary connections that may defy explanation today, but won't for long.

• 3:02Ky Dickens?

  Today, we're hosting a Q&A to answer your questions with some of the teachers, parents, and scientists who were featured in the telepathy tapes. Some of you posted your questions on social media or emailed them to us directly. Our production coordinator Catherine pulled together many of your questions and those will be asked in this episode. But first, here's who's joining us.

• 3:22Speaker 01

  I'm Katie Asher. I'm Houston's mom.

• 3:25Speaker 02

  I'm Libby Ingram. I'm John Paul's mother, and I'm also a speech-language pathologist.

• 3:31Speaker 03

  My name is Casey, and I was in episode five. In 2021, I discovered that the young man I was working with at the school that I was employed, that he could read my mind, and things really snowballed very quickly after making that discovery. And within about a week, we had formed a telepathic connection with each other. So we communicate mind to mind. And it's not just him, there's a small group of kids that were going to that school that I've also connected with.

• 4:04Speaker 04

  I'm Suzy Miller, pediatric speech-language pathologist turned telepathic communicator. All I do is work with families around the world who are finding these things out about their kids, and I connect and see what's going on and just share that information.

• 4:22Speaker 05

  I'm Dr. Powell, and I first became interested in autism back in 1986.

• 4:28Speaker 05

  Because I was aware of autism, I was also aware of Savant Syndrome. And it was exceedingly rare. I went to India to evaluate these Savants. When I met them, their parents said to me that they were all telepathic. And so I switched from studying Savant Syndrome per se and started studying telepathy.

• 4:48Ky Dickens?

  And we also have Manisha Lad, mother of Akil, who you met in episode two. Akil is now 23 years old. And then around, he was 11 years old, he broke his silence to facilitate communication. And last but not least, Maria Welch.

• 5:02Speaker 03

  Hello. I am a speech therapist here in the Chicago area. And I predominantly see students that are non-speakers on the spectrum.

• 5:13Ky Dickens?

  So, okay, so a lot of these questions, as you know, have been curated from the Internet and from listeners. And one of the things I think this should probably be answered by a few parents who've been involved in the telepathy testing, as well as Dr. Powell. So, the question is, I think testing kids in SI, even comparing results across age groups, could yield fascinating insights. But ethical concerns have been a major obstacle. How do you approach presenting such a research project to parents of children being tested? So I think this is important to talk about, you know, in terms of consent from parents, but also, Diane, if there are any things that you need to navigate in that regard.

• 5:50Speaker 05

  Well, let me just, let me just say this, that actually, how I've met the parents is that the parents have reached out to me. It's not that I've presented to the parents this information. It's that all over the world, they have been witnessing something in their home that they didn't understand. And then they go on the Internet and they find my name. That's how, I mean, I met Manisha, and that's how I met Katie. And now we're getting deluged with people who are saying, yes, I have a child who's just like this, and I've been afraid to say anything. And so, I don't see that we're having to present anything to them. It's more that they're presenting to us.

• 6:35Ky Dickens?

  Thank you for that. And then for Libby, Manisha, Katie, as far as testing your children at the time when we did these tests, were there any concerns around the ethical treatment of them or whether or not they wanted to be tested?

• 6:52Speaker 02

  For me, it wasn't, John Paul wanted to do it. I presented it to him and John Paul said, spelled, "It had to be done" because he wants to see change for, at the time, he wanted his friends to have a better life. And he too wanted a better life and to be educated and to be taken seriously and presumed competent. So it wasn't even, it was more like, "Mom, we're doing this, so jump on board." So I didn't really have a choice, but I would have done it anyway.

• 7:23Ky Dickens?

  Love that. All right, Manisha, go ahead.

• 7:26Speaker 06

  Yeah, so in our case, you know, it was, of course, Akhil wanted to be a part of this, but there was no other solution. There was no other option. If we wouldn't have believed Akhil, then we were believing the society and the system, which is constantly has been failing Akhil. So we had no choice but to believe Akhil. And I'm glad we did that because there was no other solution. There was a reality actually happening. So my argument with anybody would come for even like skepticism or looking for data, I would tell them, "Thank you so much. And if you want to collect the data, then we are the data. If we want to do the research,

• 8:08Speaker 06

  we need minimum hundred to two hundred thousand dollars to do the research. I don't need the data. I don't need the research. It's not my problem. Okay, this is there happening. This is a reality happening. It's like going to a doctor with a research paper. As per the research paper, two edibles makes a difference. But in my case, if I go to the doctor and tell those two edibles are not helping me, but I have to take a third edible, then where is this research paper standing? It's of no use because doctor is going to tell me, "Oh, if you need three edible and if you need to take it, then go ahead and take it because that helps me." And even if doctor tells me, "No, no, no, it's only two edible, I'm still going to go and take three edible because it's

• 8:49Speaker 06

  not helping me." So what's the use of this research data? So my advocacy was Akhil is the data, I am the data. Are you ready to take it? Because believing Akhil is to believing myself. If not, then I'm lying with my child. So that was my stance, and I still say the same story. And that's why I approached Dr. Diane Powell, and I saw her video with Dr. Deepak Chopra. And I told her I want Dr. Deepak to come and see Akhil and explain us what is exactly this happening and why this phenomena is happening. So that's why we jumped into it.

• 9:24Speaker 01

  I actually found the questions that Kai had sent us at the very beginning to determine whether or not we wanted to be in this project and what our thoughts were about the project. And Houston answered every single one of these questions with just this incredible heartfelt desire to be a voice for other non-speakers and to get the truth out there. And he not only wanted to be tested, he wanted to tell the truth. He wanted to show the world that non-speakers have been underestimated from the entire, the entire time.

• 10:00Ky Dickens?

  Okay, this one's for Dr. Powell. Is it your intention to work with leading skeptical cognitive neuroscientists in academia to devise laboratory-style tests as to lead to unequivocal findings, which are critic-proof, assuming that's even possible?

• 10:15Speaker 05

  I'm coordinating with scientists who are at universities, and they are skeptical in the true sense of skepticism. I mean, there are people out there who call themselves skeptics, and they really are die-hard materialists who would never even consider this as possible. And so those aren't the scientists I'm talking about. I'm talking about scientists who are open-minded enough that they feel that these things are possible and think that it's important research. But at the same time, they're going to want to see as much separation as possible between the telepathic pair, ideally in separate rooms. If that's not possible, then we have to have as much, you know,

• 10:58Speaker 05

  in the way of barriers to any kind of visual or auditory cueing. But I'm optimistic that we should be able to get some experiments done with those kind of conditions. It's just that... It takes time. You can't just come in and just say, "Okay, this is how we're doing the experiment today." It really requires a certain sensitivity to the fact that that could be very intrusive. And the last thing that I want to do is anything that's intrusive. The last thing I want to do is anything that makes people feel like they're being challenged in a way that is not honoring the children. So I really believe that we can walk that walk, where we honor the children, we believe

• 11:40Speaker 05

  in the children, but at the same time, we realize that the world at large is not going to believe it unless we do the controlled trials properly.

• 11:50Ky Dickens?

  Thank you for that, Dr. Powell. This is the same thing that I've been saying in any interviews as well, is, you know, the whole point of getting this podcast out there was to get these formal research tests done and filmed, so we can present them to the world, so everyone can see these tests in as airtight as possible settings. And I think that every parent and educator and therapist on this phone call is in agreement that everyone wants answers. We all want answers. That's why we're all participating in this, is to figure out why this is possible, what is happening, and what it means.

• 12:24Ky Dickens?

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• 13:07Ky Dickens?

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• 15:18Ky Dickens?

  Okay, let's go to

• 15:19Speaker 04

  Well, since the telepathy tapes came out, number one overwhelmingly positive, absolutely. It's like it gave a voice to every single person that would have a tendency to come to see somebody like me in the first place. And so it was just, it was so validating for everybody. And the questions that I get across the board are, you know, how can I become more telepathic? Or I have these skill sets. How can I expand those? So there's a lot of conversation around that going on. And there's also conversation about, well, if we have telepathy, if telepathy is there, then what about this?

• 16:04Speaker 04

  What about that? And that's the part where I really get excited because now we're getting into all of those kind of sigh abilities and it's, it's pretty fun. It's really amazing.

• 16:15Ky Dickens?

  Okay. And to Casey, who's formed a two-way telepathic link with one of her students.

• 16:19Speaker 03

  The number one question is how do you do this? How did you get here? Parents are really eager to make that connection with their child and caregivers are eager to make that connection with the people they serve. What I usually just tell them is when it started for me was when I, I really started working on my own self-awareness, self-improvement, and then I started listening to my intuition. But I was never intending for this to happen. So when people ask me, how do I do it? I, I don't know.

• 16:58Speaker 03

  I do also believe that I had quite a bit of help from the kids I was working with energetically and spiritually.

• 17:07Ky Dickens?

  Awesome. And Katie?

• 17:09Speaker 01

  The most common question that we get is really this desperation of parents who want to know their kids and they want to know either how they can hear their kids' thoughts or how can they get their kids to the Hill? Or will someone take them? Will someone meet them? Will someone find them? And it's just this intense desperation to have access to their child's heart and thoughts and to know their child. And that's truly what all of us, every single human being wants at the end of the day is to be known and to be loved.

• 17:46Ky Dickens?

  Go ahead.

• 17:47Speaker 02

  I've gotten texts and emails from parents about, one, if they have lost a child, wanting to find out how they can find out if they're okay. If their child's there, do they hear them? And it's been great to be able to comfort parents that have been through this situation. Also, parents who want to know, how do we find the spelling? Because it's not in my community. I don't have anyone close. And that is a huge problem. There need to be more teachers, caregivers, parents that are able to have access to spelling. And there are some limitations.

• 18:30Speaker 02

  One, it's expensive and that needs to change because that's another way of gatekeeping parents from being able to communicate with their child is the expense of it. So that, that needs to change. So whether it's ASHA, saying speech therapists are allowed to learn this method so they can do it more in the public school or more special ed teachers having access to the training. But that needs to happen.

• 18:56Ky Dickens?

  Yeah. No, I think this is so important because it's like within the midst of all the telepathy, which, you know, I know I've said this to many of you before. It's really a Trojan horse in a lot of ways to get people to care about the spellers and what they're going through and how much support they need and we need to give them. And if this is causing people to notice, that's great, but we can't lose sight of the overall goal here, which is this is should be about them and enabling them and supporting them. So thank you for everything you said to that degree. And actually to that, on the other side of it, we have a lot of questions in this space, which are about the spellers gifts. One is about what are some of the spellers that, you know, thoughts on time and precognition?

• 19:40Ky Dickens?

  I know we talked about this a little bit in the season. I'm sure Casey and Suzie and Maria, you probably have some very interesting thoughts on this, both being, you know, kind of teachers and therapists in this world.

• 19:51Speaker 03

  Okay, so my student has always told me from the very beginning, like one of the first things he ever said to me is that timing is his thing. And I'm still trying to grasp exactly what that means. But he tries to explain the best he can that he has access to.

• 20:13Speaker 03

  Multiple timelines and he can see future and past on those multiple timelines. And that's just a part of his job here to monitor certain events, help certain events come to fruition. And this is all energetically, but the way that they have explained it to me is that the physical, where we are in this realm, is almost a reflection of the spiritual realm. So things happen there before they happen here. And the things that he does have a lot to do with time, but at the same time, he doesn't experience it the way

• 20:54Speaker 03

  that we do. What he's explained to me is that like, time is not exactly what we think it is. It's not like this fixed thing. It's like our consciousness affects time. And I don't know, I'm trying to explain this, but it's really hard.

• 21:15Speaker 04

  Casey, that's amazing. I kept hearing something from all the kids around the timeless nature of our being. I kept hearing that particular phrase from like one kid after another. And I was like, okay, what is that? And then one child came forward and gave me the experience of this timeless nature of being. I have another kid who has written books about time travel and precognition and things like that. And so in many ways, I think we have to go directly to them and say, okay, we need more information about this. We need to be able to explain this to other people. So, and I have zero doubt

• 21:57Speaker 04

  whatsoever that these kids play beyond time and space, the way we know time and space. I mean, the very fact that they're not fully engaged in the physical body creates the opportunity for them to be.

• 22:15Speaker 04

  Everywhere, nowhere, you know.

• 22:18Ky Dickens?

  Go ahead, Katie.

• 22:19Speaker 01

  Precognition in its simplest forms is knowing of something before it happens. Houston, I found out that he had this great understanding of time. It was actually because of cuckoo clocks. So he was always obsessed with cuckoo clocks, right? The old mechanical clocks and everything. And whenever he started being able to communicate and he started telling me what he had seen in heaven, he started talking about time and how they're these giant gears. And he said, "There are gears too wonderful to explain." Now, what's really interesting about that is, um, is that Einstein actually got his theory of relativity from these big, giant medieval clocks. So there's something to this, right? There's something about the clocks that's really, really important to understanding time.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  And when you understand that the way that these mechanical clocks operate is gravity, okay? Kind of wind them up and then it uses gravity to actually, and then the pendulum is the measure of the time, right? So this is kind of how it functions. And he can actually see time moving on people. And he was actually studying, by setting these clocks, he was learning time and gravity.

• 23:28Ky Dickens?

  Thank you for that, Katie. That's beautiful. This is, this comes up a lot, and this is the next question. Do any of the children report communication or other experiences that could be classified as interactions with non-human intelligence?

• 23:43Speaker 02

  Well, John Paul, he also saw angels and he saw the good and the bad. And he was so adamant that we love each other. And he talked about love all the time. That was sort of his message was that, I just don't think he had a lot of fear because he knew there was something so much better. And that love is what's important. So, you know, if someone was ugly or unkind, he would spell, "They don't understand, just love them." And he could see that in them. And I thought, what a gift that he just is so comfortable with who he is.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  I think his teacher, Miss Susan, I think I made a post about this because it was hysterical. She said, "John Paul, what do you like best about yourself?" And he spelled "everything." Which I thought was fabulous because he had so many limitations, but he was just happy. I think when you see the things he saw, why would you be unhappy? You know, there was just something so much better. And that's a gift and I try to remember that all the time with him having not being here anymore. Just remember what he taught me when he was here.

• 25:02Ky Dickens?

  That's beautiful. Go ahead, Suzy.

• 25:04Speaker 04

  I think that the kids say over and over again, it's like when we get beyond materialism, there are all kinds of worlds and realities. And if we're not focused just on the physical world and reality, definitely kids who see angelic realms, definitely kids who remember being kind of present on other, in other planets, in other places and spaces, having other kinds of bodies. Have had kids who have definitely kids who talk about energies and entities and things like that. And when we have deeper conversations around that,

• 25:46Speaker 04

  I think that the light that these kids really are, the consciousness that they're bringing in, were usually pretty bright, so it's usually going to attract some detractors, you might say. So anyway, yeah, all kinds of different connection points.

• 26:04Ky Dickens?

  Go ahead, Manisha.

• 26:05Speaker 06

  I have to add that when Akil started typing, he would come home and he would have a conversation with some of the deceased family members. Especially he would see my mom. He would try to give me messages of some random people and say, and that time, his perception was that his purpose is to give messages to the people on the earth. He would actually come home and tell that my teachers are not of the same mind capacity of what I think. He says, "So who are your teachers?" And he would say, "The stars, moon and the stars are his teachers."

• 26:44Speaker 06

  Also, many times I still experience that me and Akil, we both are watching the same one video and of his college class. And during that time, if I have some thoughts going on in my mind. Akki would tell me like, "Why are you thinking about this and why are you thinking about that?" When we are watching the video together at the same time, but my mind is drifting somewhere and he pauses me and tells me, "Oh, no, you're thinking about that boy, you're thinking about that girl and why are you thinking?" So I don't know what is this phenomenon, but I do experience that.

• 27:18Ky Dickens?

  Okay, so next question here. Have any of you done a test to see if the hills real by maybe passing a message to another person there who repeats it back to really see if it gets to the receiver?

• 27:29Speaker 03

  We haven't really tested, but we've talked about and a few of my students will talk about being at the hill and say, "Oh, well, I teach history at the hill." And another student will say, "Well, I'm teaching people how to be telepathic at the hill." But that's been corroborated by other students who say, "Oh, this student teaches me history. When I want to know history, I go to him." So I know that's not exactly a test, but it is when they're spelling to me, there's a lot of things that overlap and that are kind, or to me, proof that of course they've been there and they've been communicating, but that I did want to say that. It's not like we tested that part, but it just, it keeps coming up where that things

• 28:14Speaker 03

  are consistent between what they're saying about each other.

• 28:18Ky Dickens?

  So this next question is simply, what can us muggles do to help? Should we be learning about telepathy or just try to be supportive, involved in another way? Can we reach out to non-speakers locally somehow to offer friendship or assistance? Go ahead, Libby.

• 28:31Speaker 02

  The first thing I think anyone can do is to have positive thoughts, positive loving thoughts in their head because they feel it, they hear it, and I think you can improve, even if it's your child or your student, their quality of life right away by keeping loving thoughts and not... I mean, there were times, of course, John Paul frustrated me to no end. I mean, he did some very bizarre things and in my head, I would say to him, "I still love you." I said, "I'm just gonna have to clean this up." A little annoyed. Because I'm human, but I still love you. It's okay. I think that is such an easy thing to do. It doesn't cost a cent

• 29:16Speaker 02

  to make them feel good about themselves or better. I mean, because they're already caring so much. That's a burden to take off of them. I think that's right away something that can be done.

• 29:28Ky Dickens?

  And so that's such a great point, Libby. Thank you for that.

• 29:32Speaker 06

  Yeah, other times I also feel that mothers and the caregivers who are doing the communication need a lot of support and we don't have that support. So I felt so isolated and it's I just stopped going to any anybody and say, I cannot talk. I cannot even discuss these things with you because you're not going to understand me. I cannot even take all these thoughts and this comment or even my emotional status to a doctor because I'm worried the doctor might prescribe something to me and say that, oh, you are too deeply involved. Or I'm tired of hearing from the parents, oh, you are too dedicated and you are different and you are too positive. You're too positive for me. So giving up is a very easy option. So hey, I get I've been compared

• 30:16Speaker 06

  with those parents and with those moms and with those family members who have given up. So I've been forced and directly I've been forced because I am not stopping. I'm going, going, going, going and not stopping. So I've been forced to tell that and directly given a message to me that you are not giving up. You're not giving up. You want this to be go, go, go, go, go, go. And and I feel that if if I don't do this, then nobody else will do it. Because the more I I listen to Akil and more I try to find those puzzle pieces. It's not only helping him but helping others. But I, as a mother, I feel that

• 30:55Speaker 06

  I get so much drained out because of not only about my child, but also from the other families, other moms who have those expectations. Oh, I want my child to do this. I want my daughter to do. But they don't want to put in that effort and they've given up. I really feel we should have those resources, at least for these we telepathy tapes on the mothers. Mothers who have come ahead and are giving up. So we should have that kind of support system. And yes, as Katie, I agree, like me, we not only have a kids are failed, but we mothers have been failed because we are going there and showing results and they inspire, come tell us, oh, he is doing only for you. I had to tell the entire staff, it's not my problem.

• 31:39Speaker 06

  If it's not going for you, it's not my problem. If it's not going for for his dad, it's not my problem, it's his and his problem. So I had to put my step down, but not every mother is going to fight back like this. And again, constantly, I'm tired of hearing you're different, you're different, you're different. So there has to be some support system.

• 31:56Ky Dickens?

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• 34:10Ky Dickens?

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• 34:28Speaker 03

  Can we learn? Yes, we can. Was it intentional for me? No, it was not. I didn't go into this, like, I didn't even know about it until a week before I became telepathic. But I will say that what I think the reason that this happened for me is because I was already on this spiritual journey, like, I'd had a spiritual awakening. And I was already becoming very self-aware and, and working on my self-awareness, which expands your consciousness. As you do that, you're, you're expanding yourself. So I was already doing that on my own. And then

• 35:10Speaker 03

  I discovered this in the, in the kids. And because I was already working towards going where they were already at, they're already on a certain frequency, and I was already wanting to get there. It's almost like they threw me a lifeline and like, pulled me up. And whatever happened, they opened up some energetic channels within me that allowed this gift to, to blossom, I guess. And it started also with following my own intuition. So the more we listen to ourselves and follow our intuition, and we're working on our, our inner selves, that's going to propel you on the path of, of...

• 35:57Speaker 03

  Opening up the telepathic gifts or whatever gifts within you. That's my experience.

• 36:03Ky Dickens?

  That's great. Thank you, Casey. Go ahead, Suzy.

• 36:06Speaker 04

  Got open to my telepathic ability. I was not on a spiritual journey. If anything, I was avoiding one at all cost, you know. So I think the other side of this is that these kids can see aspects of ourselves that we don't even know exist. So when Riley came up to me in 99 and said, "Master," I didn't know what the heck he was talking about. "What mastery are you talking about? You must be the master here." And he was, you know. So I'm of the opinion that a lot of these souls that end up with this diagnosis

• 36:49Speaker 04

  have come here in support of collective human evolution. And they will find people in their environments, in their homes, anywhere. And they will invite them to higher states of consciousness, whether they like it or not. And I think that for the parents who, and professionals who do take that ride with them, you know, there's this opportunity to evolve exponentially and to know yourself beyond what you might have even considered possible. So, yeah, they definitely can open us up in amazing ways.

• 37:25Ky Dickens?

  That's great. Okay, next question here. What are your thoughts on the US government's own research of, and seemingly acceptance of the historical reliance on telepathy and telepathic methods, specifically within the CIA and remote viewing? Go ahead, Suzy.

• 37:40Speaker 04

  I do know that that piece is real and that telepathy for the goodness of humanity, for the well-being of humanity, is something the kids have always said that they are about. So when they get put in those programs, it's never pretty. So that's all I wanted to add about that.

• 38:01Ky Dickens?

  Diane, do you want to talk about the CIA investigating this type of research? And do you have any fears around? Not speaking individuals getting exploited or sucked up into this research in any way.

• 38:13Speaker 05

  Yeah, I definitely have concerns about that. I'm very protective of the children and very protective of the mission, you know, that we all have here to really uplift humanity. And one of my concerns is, is that people who are supported by the CIA or even members of the CIA don't walk around wearing badges saying they're a member of the CIA. And so the parapsychological community at large has a lot of people who fall into that category, who've gotten their funding from those sources. And as I said, it's not something that they're going to share. Yet at the same time, the world is demanding that we involve other scientists

• 38:56Speaker 05

  to come into our space and to actually see what these children can do. Because otherwise they're going to say, well, what are you hiding? And why won't you let us observe some of these experiments, et cetera? So what I've thought about is a way to address that is to obtain the data and then de-identify the data before it gets handed over to somebody to look at who's a scientist. In other words, protect the names and locations and whatnot of the children, but allow the data to be seen.

• 39:29Ky Dickens?

  That's great. To that point, Dr. Powell, there's another question here. How will the tests done at University of Virginia or University of Arizona or wherever you end up doing them, stand up to rigorous independent scientific verification methods?

• 39:42Speaker 05

  Well, they will stand up to those methods because I'm going to do them in a manner that is highly scientific. I mean, you know, one of the things that you brought out in the podcast, and it's definitely my experience, is that people who've trained as parapsychologists, and I'm a full-blooded parapsychologist, I'm on the board of the Parapsychological Association for the third time, were people that are considered true scientists in our approach to this. And the parapsychologists are are far more rigorous in terms of what they would ask for as proof than a lot of

• 40:23Speaker 05

  other classically trained scientists. And the reason for that is, is that we know what kind of evidence already exists out there, and we know what the criticism has been around it. And so, we want to try to be proactive in terms of trying to, if we can avoid that criticism, then setting up the experiment so that we don't have that as a side issue.

• 40:46Ky Dickens?

  Great. This next question, Katie, might be a great one for you, and anyone else, it'll probably be for you as well, anyone who's been working in the spelling space fervently. I understand there's never been a study of the spelling phenomenon that has passed a double-blind test. Help me reconcile this. Can you explain what that means, even a double-blind test, and how would you answer that?

• 41:05Speaker 02

  A lot of the people I hear about that have done these tests, first of all, have never had the spelling training. So, they don't even know. If they'd had the training, they might understand why it doesn't work. But, not only that, what infuriates me when people do this, is how soul-crushing it is to the child, or the young adult, or the adult who is being tested. It is, it's so cruel, because this person is, I've just heard some terrible things, graduate students trying to test this to disprove spelling,

• 41:48Speaker 02

  possibly for their professor, or whatever. I just, it makes me so angry, because it's so unloving, and not supportive, that I just don't even understand why it's even done. But, don't do it if even, and if you've never been trained, then you don't even know what you're doing. And if you have been trained, you probably wouldn't do it, because you know that it's not going to work. But, I have had people that I know where the autistic went into a severe depression afterwards, because it just, it was soul-crushing. So,

• 42:29Speaker 02

  I just, I wish that if any young therapist, or a professional hears this, they will just refuse to do it. Don't do it, because you don't have the training to do it. So that's my two cents. It makes me crazy, Kai. Yeah, I find it infuriating.

• 42:48Ky Dickens?

  I know, me too. It really is. One of the hardest questions to even receive.

• 42:52Speaker 06

  But this is a autism is a new epidemic. As the doctors do not understand and they have lack of education. The entire academia, entire special education is working on the outdated and the OT which they provide. If they understand the OT, if they understand the senses, if they understand the brain and their OT is really not hitting the brain. Their OT, the school's OT is not hitting the brain. So the schools are absolutely outdated, completely outdated. The fresh new OTs who are coming from the schools, they have no knowledge and we have to train them. We have to train the parents, we have to train the schools, we have to train the OTs.

• 43:36Speaker 06

  And biggest thing is all the parents, maximum, they go to the doctors, doctors don't give a hope. Then the hope is only the school system and the school system is constantly failing them, failing them, failing them. So the parents are surrounded by all their certified clinical professionals who feel they have the right to fail our kids, are fooling themselves, are fooling us. And then the parents like us have to step up and say, you don't understand because you have that lack of education. So I think there's a huge lack of education and that's what I see there. So much effort I have to take.

• 44:15Speaker 06

  Not only for a parent, but the, the professionals, the new OTs who are passing out, who have, don't have any experience right now. Are asking for exorbitant salaries because the school OTs, schools are paying them at that level. And it's hard to compete and find those OTs because they say, hey, I go to the school. But if you go to the schools, you're stuck. There is no growth and no development there from a professional perspective. So that's my, so thing that I feel that our New Jersey governor Murphy, who is signing all those grants to the families, you know, there's a whole big revolution should happen that why you're giving to the schools.

• 44:56Speaker 06

  Hello, we families need it. You know, there are different states who get it and who does, they decide whom we have to pay and whom we don't have to pay. So I think it is the schools outdated.

• 45:08Ky Dickens?

  Yeah, I mean, it's a whole episode on this, but it's it's like supporting spelling, getting funding for it easy, making it immersive. And getting every family the opportunity to like get a grant who wants to do it. So yeah, it's like a big, big. I think the most important issue really of for all of these.

• 45:25Speaker 06

  Because they they drive the moms crazy. When I go to the I E P, every time when I return back, I have tears in my eyes.

• 45:33Ky Dickens?

  Hmm, I'm so sorry.

• 45:34Speaker 06

  And these are private special schools who are charging hundred thousand dollars or sixty five thousand dollars per year. Plus twenty thousand dollars is the transportation fees where these transportation aids are not, not, not educated. Anybody can go and pick up a driver and they don't even understand English. And then they say, it's not, school says it's not my responsibility to train the, train the driver. Tools responsibility is to train those drivers who cannot even take your child to the school. And they don't know what to do, deal with it. Because my child is sitting there and my child is. Is comprehending all the bad words which you are using in the bus. I mean, I mean, if you get, if you get me, Libby, Katie and all these families on the stage, I can bet you, we will have.

• 46:18Speaker 06

  Lot people like if you agree clap, if you agree bang on the, you know, that's the whole noise. It has to go out and everybody is going to be increased. I have to stand up for my child. It is not crazy, Libby is not crazy, all these moms are not crazy. We are experiencing it. And you are telling us to lie to the education system. I like now, he is twenty three years old, he's finished fifty eight plus sixty two hours of college education. And it is proctored, it is proctored. And if you don't want to believe, I don't want to give him to any testing because my child is beyond your capacity. When my child is not disabled, you all are disabled to understand my child. I put myself into a disability because I am disabled to understand my child.

• 47:03Speaker 06

  I don't have the capacity because my senses are so grounded. And I am so connected to my body. To go into the other dimension, I need to work on myself and I need to transform myself. And that's what my child is telling me, and I'm not doing it. I need to go on to that journey.

• 47:21Ky Dickens?

  I just love what you said there, Manisha, that your child is not disabled, that it's the system that's disabled in a way. It is stigmatizing apraxia, which for listeners out there is the inability for your mind and body to work together efficiently. It's about motor control and it's not about intelligence. So, thank you for that. And I keep thinking when it comes to any of this testing, any spelling, any research, any telepathy testing, the most important thing someone can do, if you're a researcher or scientist, go learn to spell, go work with a non-speaker, you will see for yourself. So, Dr. Powell, you know, I think they were talking about the spelling double-blind test, but can you talk about this from just a scientific testing perspective?

• 47:59Speaker 05

  Yeah, well, see, I think what's happened is, is that the term double-blind has taken on this sort of gravitas, like, you know, the double-blind is, you know, the standard of science. And where that comes from is where you have clinical trials that are double-blind. And what does that mean? It means that it's usually, for example, pharmaceutical trials. So, what it means is that neither I as the doctor nor the patient know whether or not they're getting an active pill or a placebo, until after you've done the experiments and then you crack the code and see, oh, you know, this, compare this person's symptoms with

• 48:44Speaker 05

  this other person's symptoms, and you figure out who got what. Well, the thing is, is that when it comes to the kind of research that we're doing, there really isn't, you can't really blind anybody to anything. And so, I think that it's, people are, they're throwing the term double-blind out there without really being someone who really thinks it through enough to realize what you're exactly asking of people here.

• 49:16Speaker 05

  And so these trials will be controlled. You know, we're using randomization as a type of control. Trying to have the greatest amount of separation, ideally in separate rooms. That's a control. And so you need the appropriate controls for the type of research that you're trying to engage in. And I can guarantee that we're going to be doing the experiments with that aim.

• 49:42Ky Dickens?

  So, hold on. The next question here is, "Where should we draw the line between providing support and agency for the spellers to share their gifts through collaboration with experts to solve some of our biggest challenges? How do we ensure their contributions are made in a non-exploitative way where they also have a healthy work-life balance and quality of life?"

• 49:59Speaker 01

  The way to prevent exploitation is we need more communication partners. That's just the bottom way. The only way to, you know, make sure that their authentic voice is validated is by having many communication partners that they communicate with so they can communicate the same message to multiple people. Then you can verify that it's their message.

• 50:20Ky Dickens?

  Thank you, Katie. And just for listeners out there who want to explore that, you can look into Spelling to Communicate, or S2C for short, or the Rapid Prompting Method, or RPM for short, or the Spellers Method. And if you just do a Google search, many of them offer training courses or training conferences and all sorts of things like that. So, please, check it out and get trained. Okay, so Casey, I see you raising your hand. How do you engage non-speakers with world-altering work that is great for them and not exploitive?

• 50:52Speaker 03

  I think that, obviously, giving them the choice to do these things is the most important thing. But I think that they just have a sense and a knowing of what their purpose is here from a very young age. So, I think they already know. They know what they want to do. And I think the important part is getting them the ability to...

• 51:18Speaker 03

  Express themselves. So, you know, all of them should have access to spelling, to letter boards, to devices, so that they can express their interests, their purpose in life, and what they want to contribute to humanity.

• 51:36Ky Dickens?

  I think one thing that is being echoed a lot here, which is so important, especially in terms of autonomy and exploitation, is asking the non-speakers. They should be included in every conversation about them, which is why if they cannot speak, it's so important to get them spelling, so that we can engage with them. The baseline to all of this is presuming competence. Any closing thoughts? Go ahead, Katie.

• 51:58Speaker 01

  There are multiple things that non-speakers need. They need to be believed. We need to look at them with respect and treat them with respect. They need to be included. And they need friendships. They need opportunities to work out, to work, to learn, to experience the same things that the rest of us experience. Our one friend said, you know, "We need the same chance to be known that everyone else gets effortlessly." So, creating the opportunities, and creating the method, and the training, and the people that will actually be those vehicles of communication with them.

• 52:41Ky Dickens?

  I want to give a huge thanks to our incredible panel of parents and teachers and Dr. Powell for sharing their insights and experiences. This conversation is obviously just the beginning. There's so much to unpack, and unpacking it is exactly why we're doing these Talk Tracks. We will do this again, because the questions keep on coming, and the questions keep evolving. And many more of these questions will be explored and hopefully answered in the Telepathy Tapes film, which we're officially starting production on next month. Episode of the Talk Tracks, but new episodes will now be released every other Sunday, so stay tuned, as we work to unravel all the threads, even the veiled ones, that knit together our reality. Please remember to stay kind, stay curious, and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind. Thank you to my amazing collaborators. Original

• 53:26Ky Dickens?

  music was created by Elizabeth P. W., original logo and cover art by Ben Kandora Design, the audio mix and finishing by Ben Campafrida, our amazing podcast coordinator Jill Pachesnik, my amazing assistant Catherine Ellis. And I'm Kai Dickens, your writer, creator, and host. Thank you again for joining us.