S1E14: Awakening the Mind-Body Connection ft. Suzy Miller | Talk Tracks

In this illuminating episode of Talk Tracks, host Ky Dickens sits down with Suzy Miller, a pioneering educator and the founder of the Awesomism Practitioner Process, to dive into the often-overlooked intelligence and telepathic abilities of non-speakers. Suzy shares her groundbreaking experiences working with neurodivergent individuals, including a life-changing encounter with a four-year-old boy who introduced her to the concept of light-body integration. Together, Ky and Suzy unpack why emotional regulation—especially in parents, teachers, and caregivers—is crucial for helping non-speakers feel safe, present, and capable of communication. They discuss the energetic dynamics between caregivers and children, the hidden power of belief in unlocking abilities, and how subtle tools like tuning forks and color therapy can help bridge the mind-body gap. The conversation also explores why teachers often have an easier time engaging in two-way telepathic communication than parents, the natural ebb and flow of communication progress, and how parents can begin to cultivate their own telepathic connections with their children. _______ Join The Telepathy Tapes Backstage Pass https://thetelepathytapes.supercast.com/ to get ad-free episodes, never-before-heard interviews, behind-the-scenes documentary footage, and access to our private Discord community. This is your invitation to come closer. To help shape what’s next. To be more than a listener… to be a co-creator of this paradigm shift. So if you’ve felt moved, if you’ve felt seen, if you’ve felt the call, subscribe today and join us: thetelepathytapes.com. https://thetelepathytapes.com/ See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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• 0:00Ky Dickens?

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• 0:43Ky Dickens?

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• 1:23Ky Dickens?

  science, spirituality, and yes, even unexplained things like psi abilities. If you haven't yet listened to season one of the Telepathy Tapes, I encourage you to start there. It lays the foundation for everything we'll be exploring in this journey. We'll feature conversations with groundbreaking researchers, thinkers, non-speakers, and experiencers who illuminate the extraordinary connections that may defy explanation today, but won't for long.

• 1:51Ky Dickens?

  On this episode of The Talk Tracks, I'm joined by Suzy Miller, a visionary educator and pioneer in the field of multidimensional communication. As the founder of the Awesomism Practitioner Process, Suzy has spent decades helping non-speakers and neurodivergent individuals unlock new ways of integrating their bodies and connecting with the world. What I love is that her work challenges conventional assumptions about communication and takes in stride that telepathy is a baseline form of communication for all people. For those of you who've listened to the Telepathy Tapes, Suzy was a beloved guide and subject from season one. But for those of you who need a refresher or just a clean introduction, Suzy, why don't you tell us a bit about yourself?

• 2:31Speaker 01

  I was a pediatric speech-language pathologist. Graduated with my master's degree in 1986, when there was absolutely no information about autism, because it was 1 in 10,000. And in 1999, I had an encounter with a four-year-old boy diagnosed with autism, really one of the first, maybe first or second, kids I'd ever seen with autism. And when I met him, he walked right up to me, looked me in the eyes and said, "Master." And when he said "master," I was like going, "Who's the master here? You know, like, what's going on?" And I took him into the back of the daycare center to work with him,

• 3:14Speaker 01

  but, you know, be his speech pathologist. But when I got back there, he was walking around and he was saying, "It's the millennium, it's 1999." He was just mimicking this. But as he was doing that, I saw his, what I now know was his light body floating above his physical body. And they were completely detached, except for a little tail that was hanging off of his foot and dipped down into his light-body foot, and dipped down into his heart. And I kept trying to get it to go away, and it wouldn't go away, Kai. So I was asking myself, like, just in my head, I didn't say it out loud. I was just like, "Oh, my God, what am I seeing? Like, what's going on?"

• 3:58Speaker 01

  And I hear this little boy, this little boy's voice in my head, and he said, "That's my light body. You're here to put my light body back into my physical body." And he took me through a year-long process. And at the end of that year, he was... Completely verbal. He was, you know, communicative and purposeful in his verbalizations and has been ever since.

• 4:23Ky Dickens?

  And Suzy, you know, when I think about your gifts, it's really about how effectively you've helped non-speakers or those with apraxia, which for those new to this, that's people with a mind-body disconnect, how you've helped them integrate their body and their mind. And you know, we're getting on our side hundreds of emails from parents wanting to support their children who are really dysregulated or having a hard time, you know, controlling their bodies. But one of the things I love is that many of the supports and tools that you suggest can help all of us. Everything you've ever said that can help the non-speakers is really true just for any human being. So before we jump in to some of the tips and wisdoms and tools that you can share, I'm, I'm just curious what type of questions you've been getting

• 5:06Ky Dickens?

  or how your life may have been impacted since the release of the telepathy tapes. And the reason that's really interesting to me is that you've kind of known about this information for decades and you've been helping thousands of people who've known about it as well. So what's it like now that it's kind of, you know, out in the world?

• 5:23Speaker 01

  Well, number one, every single client that I see, no matter where they're coming from in the world, has seen the telepathy tapes. It's very rare that one of my clients has not picked it up one way or the other. And if they haven't, I'm introducing them to it. But, you know, a lot of times they're asking the similar questions to what they've been asking all along, if I'm honest, which is, how do I support my child in being more present? How can we help them get in their bodies? How can we help them feel more comfortable and be regulated?

• 5:57Ky Dickens?

  And I know that you've said these questions don't just come from parents, but speech-language pathologists and teachers and occupational therapists and that type of thing. So if you could just give some top-line tips for everyone, what would they be?

• 6:08Speaker 01

  I think that the first thing we really need to remember is that these kids are more tuned into the subtle world than they are into the physical world. I mean, clearly, you know, if you look at a child diagnosed with autism, they, they don't look like they're here, you know? Sometimes they're talking to things that we can't see or interacting in ways that we don't really understand. And so I think first and foremost, we need to understand that they are more tuned in to subtle worlds. And if they're more tuned into subtle worlds, like, what does that look like for us? So, one of the things that the kids said a long time ago is the very first

• 6:48Speaker 01

  field of energy that we can interface with is the emotional body field. So, on the one hand, that's great, right? The emotional body field, we can make a connection, heart to heart, we can connect that way. But on the other hand, most human beings, emotional bodies are a little bit dysregulated, to say the least. And especially if you take a parent who's just been given a diagnosis, or maybe they have a child that's long-term, you know, already has had this diagnosis, they're under a lot of stress. I mean, a lot of stress. So, we don't usually think about our emotional bodies.

• 7:28Speaker 01

  But what I've seen work over and over, it's almost miraculous, the way it works, is when parents really start finding ways to support and regulate their nervous systems, whether it's through breath work, or whether it's through maybe a little bit of inner child work, or it's just having love, compassion, and understanding for themselves as they're going through this process. What ends up happening is their systems regulate, and the children who are tuned into every single vibration that's going on with that parent notices that regulation, and guess what happens? They start regulating in their bodies as well.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  Behavior is the highest form of communication, right? We know that. We know that even as verbal speakers, we can say something, but that doesn't mean anything if our behaviors are completely opposite of what we say. So I tell parents, look at the behavior of your child. If your child is frustrated, overwhelmed, crying, banging their head up against the wall, you know, what does that behavior look like? The moment you see the behavior... Just gently, compassionately, asking ourselves that question. It's like, well, where might I be that frustrated?

• 8:55Speaker 01

  And I'm not, I'm not placing any blame on parents whatsoever. I'm just saying that if we can use the children's behaviors as information, as to things that we can explore within ourselves, you'll see almost an instantaneous transformation in that behavior. The other thing the kids have always said is, we don't really care how our parents feel. We care that they know how they feel. Because if they know how they feel, then we don't feel like we have to show it to them. We don't feel like we have to help them regulate.

• 9:34Speaker 01

  And to me, this is all about creating environments where these kids can regulate as, you know, as easily as is possible.

• 9:44Ky Dickens?

  And, you know, I love that. And for me, that was actually one of my most earth-shattering discoveries. I mean, of course, discovering that individuals could read minds. But more importantly is that we're all kind of attuned to reading each other's feelings, right? Like, there is this deep sense of knowing if someone is in a sad or dark or angry space, that energy, it can be like palpable. And if we can kind of clean up our own energy, it will affect everyone around us. So I just think that's such an important baseline tool for all of us. And another thing I'd love for you to talk about is in episode five of the telepathy tapes, you told the story of helping Riley to tune his, I guess, spirit self with his body self

• 10:26Ky Dickens?

  by using different tuning forks, and that he was able to absorb information if he was wrapped in a color, like a fabric silk. So are those things that you've seen work in other cases and that works often?

• 10:38Speaker 01

  So, the very first child Riley that I met in 99, as part of that year-long process in, to help him integrate, he would ask me to bring in tuning forks. And the reason he asked is he was saying, like, my, my soul has one vibration, and my human experience has another vibration. And that the challenge is, is that one's much higher than the other. And that's what's causing dysregulation in my body. That's what's making it difficult for me not to flow communication or regulate my body. So he suggested to me that I bring in these tuning forks.

• 11:21Speaker 01

  And basically, all I was doing was playing, playing a game with them is like hitting it. And he would tell me, yes, that's the one. Yes, that's the one. And then I would say, okay, one for the soul, one for the body. And so we would just keep going until we found the two that were accurate. And then he would have me hit those at the same time. So now we're reverberating those two fields together. So in that case, it was really supportive for him. He actually then asked me to do that with my mouth to make the sound. And I was like, oh, I now I can do it. But man, at the time I was freaked out.

• 12:03Speaker 01

  But, but yes, so if we think about, there's one vibration that is higher than the other. And any way in which we can merge those vibrations, that's great. So tuning forks is a great way to do that. But again, in that scenario, it's going to require that you have a child who can give you information back about which tone feels right. I always say, you know, yes, bring the tuning forks in, but ask the kids, is this something you want to play with? I, what I know after thousands of kids, Kai, is that they know what they need.

• 12:47Speaker 01

  We just have to find a way to ask what they need. And whether that's through telepathy or through spelling, once you ask them what they need, if you follow that, that's where you're going to get the most success in their. Ability to integrate.

• 13:04Ky Dickens?

  You know, that brings up a great point because there are so many parents who are really struggling because their child is not yet on the boards or isn't communicating through spelling, right? And a lot of parents have been writing to us saying that they fear their child is too dysregulated to ever learn to spell. And they're seeing kids spelling and thinking, "That's never going to be my kid." But the truth is, that I've found, is that when you talk to the parents of those spellers, they'll say, "Oh, no, that was my kid at some point as well. I never thought they could spell," or "They could regulate in a way to get this out." So what's your advice for those parents who fear their children might not ever be able to regulate their bodies enough to be able to communicate?

• 13:39Speaker 01

  I truly believe that every single autistic individual is able to learn to spell. It's really just a matter of first creating an invitation for them to be maybe a little bit more present in their bodies so that they can go about pointing and spelling. I mean, if you have a child 24/7 that's screaming and yelling and doing things that most kids don't do as repetitively as these kids do, you're just managing, right? Most people are just managing. It's really just a matter of first creating an invitation for them to be maybe a little

• 14:23Speaker 01

  bit more present in their bodies so that they can, you know, go about pointing and spelling. So how do we do that? We do that by creating environments that are soothing. If we can take time to settle back into ourselves, if we can give ourselves a moment of peace, a little moment of meditation, getting outside and connecting with nature, even listening to music that just uplifts our frequency a little bit, choosing to pay attention to things that are lighter in nature instead of heavier.

• 15:01Speaker 01

  And it does take some practice if you've been in that world of management. But the minute we start lightening up, every single time, it will lighten up these kids.

• 15:12Ky Dickens?

  Is belief in your child or student essential for them to really spell and integrate and evolve into the person they can be?

• 15:20Speaker 01

  Absolutely. Again, these kids read minds. It really is helpful to just believe in the capacity. Instead of making statements, starting to have questions. And if we just, even just a few moments a day, kind of go, "Well, I wonder what else is possible." That starts to loosen up the energy a little bit. It starts to loosen up what we're broadcasting. And the kids feel it immediately. The other thing that I have told especially teachers over the years, and this works just as well for a parent as it does for an educator.

• 16:01Speaker 01

  Take the child and write down what they typically hear themselves say about the kids. Like, these are all the words that I use to describe this child. They get a really good idea of what kind of information is being broadcast to the kids all the time. These kids read minds. They're paying attention to those thoughts. And if we just, even just a few moments a day, kind of go, "Well, I wonder what else is possible." Well, what if it's, what if it can be this instead of that? Instead of making statements, starting to make, have questions.

• 16:43Speaker 01

  Even just a few moments a day, kind of go, "Well, I wonder what else is possible." That starts to loosen up the energy a little bit. It starts to loosen up what we're broadcasting. And the kids feel it. Immediately. So we can write that list of all of those words that we use to describe these kids and then flip it over and write the list that you wish you could use. What are those words that you would really like to be able to say, oh, he's so joyful, he's so excited, he's learning so well, whatever those things are. And just read

• 17:22Speaker 01

  it. Wake up in the morning and read it. It just resets the expectation for the day. And it's really amazing what can happen when just that subtle change is made.

• 17:38Ky Dickens?

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• 18:22Ky Dickens?

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• 19:04Ky Dickens?

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• 19:49Ky Dickens?

  Get free shipping on your order and 365-day returns, now available in Canada and the UK, too. And when Quince asks where you heard about them, let them know it was the Telepathy Tapes. It's the best way to support our show. Is there anything that you haven't talked about or that I haven't asked that is always kind of like a top tip that you give parents or teachers when they reach out to you for a consultation or a meeting?

• 20:09Speaker 01

  I think that the other side of this, Kai, is how many people actually ask a parent, "How is this for you? You know, what is this like? What are you actually feeling?" I mean, there's very little opportunity for these parents to be able to share what the experience is actually like. And not only that, you know, they're constantly having to push to get their child the services they need. So it's like full-on warrior mode, you know, from pretty much diagnosis throughout their lives. And so I usually start a session with just like, "Where are we?

• 20:53Speaker 01

  How are we feeling? What's going on?" Just starting there, I think, is huge. The other thing that I will say is the kids also suggest often that parents just take care of themselves. And I know that that sounds like, you know, it sounds like a nice thing to say, and sometimes it can even sound kind of patronizing, you know, in some ways. But, but think about it. If the parent never has a break...

• 21:26Speaker 01

  If the parent never has an opportunity to go have a cup of coffee with a friend or go do something, then that parent is going to be stressed. And if that stress is what's being broadcast from the parent, then the child is going to be a little bit more dysregulated. I get a lot of kids that say, Mom, be nice to yourself. Mom, love yourself. Give yourself some credit. You're doing an amazing job. Those kinds of moments really need to be recognized.

• 21:55Ky Dickens?

  Yes, yes, yes, yes. So, so important. And another concern I've heard from parents or teachers is that sometimes their child will be explosive as far as their communication goes, right? They're open, they're communicating a lot on their letter board or talker. And then something will happen and it's like they digress. And they go into a period of just deep withdrawal and what I call cold communication, where it's almost like the progress just ceases. And I've received a question about, you know, how do I help my speller start communicating again? And I'm not an expert in that, but you are. So I'm wondering how you would answer that question.

• 22:27Speaker 01

  I think number one is the minute they go into that space of not communicating anymore, to see that as part of their integration process, instead of seeing it as something wrong. And I know, once you've got communication with your kid, you just want it to keep going on and on. But there does seem to be a little bit of an ebb and flow, where the communication is just flowing, they're regulated, they can move that information right out through the board. And there can be other times when there's so much information that's starting to come in, that they just start to back up. And it's not a bad thing. It's like they're, it's almost like they're trying to self-regulate

• 23:10Speaker 01

  or self-soothe in that regard. The other thing that I do see a lot too is sometimes when a lot of information starts coming through, of course...

• 23:22Speaker 01

  We're so excited that we start asking a million questions and we want more information. And sometimes that that excess of excitement, energy is enough to kind of go, whoa, whoa, whoa, why? It's like, that's too much. I can't do it. So they will slow down that way as well. But it's, it's a natural and organic part of the process. If we can stay out of the fear that they're regressing, then usually they'll move through that fairly quickly. And there are rare occasions, or maybe not so rare sometimes, where the kids do finally understand that they're being heard and seen and valued, and they get real excited about

• 24:07Speaker 01

  that. And they start sharing information that might be more than the parent is actually ready for, or the spelling partner is ready for. And if they start saying something that might be a little bit, you know, outside of the range of the norm, or then if they get that feedback that, ooh, that was too much, they might slow down that way as well. So there can be a variety of reasons, but we'll keep it in the, in the context of it's all normal. It's all, it's all part of the process.

• 24:44Ky Dickens?

  And I'd also love for you to talk about the external factors in a parent's life, right? Like if they're having job stress, or marital problems, or about of low self-esteem, or something else that can also impact, from what I've experienced, openness around spelling, or an inability to regulate. Is, is that something you'd like to speak to?

• 25:00Speaker 01

  Authenticity of communication, I think, is, is huge. Most parents are really taught, when you feel bad, you just tell your kids you're doing great, so that they don't worry, or that kind of thing. Where that might work for a neurotypical kid to a certain extent, doesn't work at all for somebody diagnosed on the spectrum because they're so privy to our inner worlds. As human beings, all of us, we need ways to regulate our own emotional bodies. We need tools in our toolbox to move through stressful times. Without those tools, we as adults revert back to our own fears and anxieties and stresses.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  And the minute that energy is up, then of course, somebody who's so tuned into the subtle worlds when that vibrational change is just, they're getting an influx of that kind of energy and it's difficult to regulate. So if we're coming in and we've had a bad day, to actually just say that, to have the words actually match the feeling, is so helpful for an autistic individual because then they're not trying to figure out that energy.

• 26:17Ky Dickens?

  Gosh, that's so true. And we don't do it just with our kids, right? You do it with your spouse, or partner, or coworker. And I know for me, I do not like it at all when someone tells me they're doing great and I can tell they're not. And, and in a very subtle way, it can harm that relationship because there's that bit of like, you're not telling me the truth. And even if it's on a micro scale, it affects you.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  And the other side of it is the opportunity to say, yes, I'm a little bit scared right now, or I'm a little bit overwhelmed and, and this is hard. You know, you're not saying you're making it hard. You're not pointing at your kids and making them wrong for it. You're just saying, I'm owning my feelings. You know, and then we get the opportunity to show them, you know, that no matter what feeling you're having, it's okay. A lot of kids on the spectrum, they don't like when people cry or they don't like when people have really strong emotion. I don't think it's the emotion itself.

• 27:17Speaker 01

  I think it's the fact that there's no way to deal with the emotion. And if we can just say, yeah, this is how I'm feeling. And I need to be by myself for a minute, or I need to. And a lot of parents say to me, oh, my kid's never gonna leave me alone. You know, they would never give me that space. But I, I always tell them, try it. Just say it, say it out loud, own it. And usually that child all of a sudden changes. And is trying to comfort that parent. And it's A okay that they do that. They're really good at it.

• 27:51Ky Dickens?

  And another question that comes up a lot from parents and siblings is, am I capable of telepathy? Can I unlock a telepathic relationship with my child? Right? Like, spelling is amazing and beautiful. And I want every single individual who has a praxia to be on boards. But is telepathy accessible for all of us?

• 28:07Speaker 01

  There's just an innate connection. I mean, we share DNA. We share behavioral experiences. So absolutely, telepathy is something that is very easy. But again, if we're stressed, if we're overwhelmed, if nobody has ever taught us to listen to our own cues in our body, how are we gonna pay attention to some of those more subtle experiences? I'm all for getting the parents' support in regulating as much as they can, feeling as loved and nurtured and supported as they possibly can.

• 28:49Speaker 01

  Because that in and of itself will open up the telepathy. Other thing I tell parents all the time is just say to your child, just verbally say, I would really like to enter your world. I'd really like to know what's going on for you. Can you find a way to help me open up? And usually when people verbally say that to their kids, of course, their kids are understanding every single thing that's being said. So whether it's through dreams, or kind of an intuitive hit, or literally hearing their child's voice, you know, in their heads or in their hearts.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  Sometimes you just have to say that that's what you want. The minute the child knows that you're open and receptive, I promise you, they're gonna find ways to make that connection happen. That's music to their ears.

• 29:54Ky Dickens?

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• 32:05Ky Dickens?

  Go to zenni.com/podcast and use code PODCAST15 for 15% off plus free shipping over $65. Style sell out, so don't wait. That's Z E N N I dot com slash podcast promo code PODCAST15. ZENNI.com slash podcast code PODCAST15. Yeah, and you know, one of the most delightful messages my team gets nowadays is that a parent or teacher will write and say, oh, my gosh, I listened to the telepath tapes with my child or my student listened to the tapes. And now they're opening up about disability and we tested it and sure enough, they can do it too. They can read minds. And I think there's a truth to knowing that if someone is receptive and open to all of

• 32:45Ky Dickens?

  you in your full authenticity, and you won't be mocked or dismissed or laughed at or even at worst feared, you're much more willing to explore something with someone and be open about it and show those parts of you. Would you agree with that?

• 32:59Speaker 01

  It's true. And the other thing that happens to Kai is if you have a child who's not verbally communicating back to you, not giving you that feedback, I mean, it's human nature for us to stop talking too. Like, we literally stop verbally communicating. And I tell parents all the time too, it's like, just say out loud, you know, what you're noticing. So I notice that you're looking up at the ceiling all the time and you seem to be seeing something that I can't see. I wish I could see that too. Or I know that there's a lot going on inside of you and I know that you have all your own

• 33:41Speaker 01

  thoughts and your own feelings and your masteries and everything else. And as your mother, as your parent, I really wish I could be part of that world. You're making these sounds and every time you make those sounds, my body feels like this. This is amazing feedback.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  It's not until we start literally saying back to them, "This is my experience of you. This is what it looks like from my vantage point. What's going on for you? Can you help me clarify that?" The moment that that opportunity is opened up, I promise you that these kids are going to find a way to make that connection happen. And it happens in the most unusual ways sometimes. And you talked about it in the telepathy tapes through dreams and like literally hearing the kids' voice in your head. So yeah, they'll find a way, especially when they know that we're trying.

• 34:48Ky Dickens?

  One of the most confounding things that I've found over the past few years is that teachers seem to be more effortlessly able to engage in this two-way telepathy than parents. And I wonder if you've noticed that and why it might be? And if it has something to do with just the natural intense emotional, you know, expectations that we put on kids, right? Like if I'm watching one of my kids play in a basketball game and they're not boxing out or going for the rebound, like I am, I'm having an agonizing experience internally. But if another kid's not doing that, I don't care. I think, oh, well, they're five, of course, they're just learning. But with my kid, I won't necessarily let my kid know, but I'm definitely like, oh, gosh, why? And so could that be why just this thing that parents drape over our children unknowingly? Because it seems like in order to get to that space,

• 35:32Ky Dickens?

  you have to be totally empty and free and clear without any attachment or expectation.

• 35:37Speaker 01

  Over the years, I've had a lot of parents say to me, especially when they're really hurting, they'll say, "Well, you're not the parent of a child diagnosed with autism. And so you can't possibly fully understand." And no, I can't fully understand the day-to-day, but the benefit of having a little bit of distance and being able to look in and to look in with a loving and compassionate heart, because I do adore these kids, that I think that opportunity is to kind of be able to stand back. You know, it's just not the same as that parent that, you know, I mean, what comes up?

• 36:20Speaker 01

  Like fear, guilt, shame, you know? Why is this happening? What is this about? You know, there are all kinds of that kind of energy.

• 36:31Speaker 01

  And we can understand it, but the fact is, is that energy absolutely can get in the way of making those kinds of connections.

• 36:41Ky Dickens?

  Yeah, and Suzy, one of the things that led me to you was your incredible book, Awesomism. And for those who haven't read it, how would you explain your book Awesomism in your own words? And what are some of your favorite takeaways from the book?

• 36:53Speaker 01

  Awesomism really takes a look at capacity. You know, it takes a look at all of those funny behaviors that for a neurotypical mind, you look at that and you kind of go, that's, that's different, that's weird, that's odd. But what Awesomism does is it breaks down all of those different behaviors, whether it be toe walking, or flapping, or screaming, or anything in between, and just normalizes it. These are all behaviors that are attempts to be in this world with all that they are. And it also really steps into the awareness

• 37:35Speaker 01

  that these kids are really coming in support of collective human evolution. They have capacities that we haven't yet grown into. They have a level of heart and compassion and patience that I don't think most of us could even really fathom. And they're bringing this into the world right now for a very specific reason. They're helping us evolve. So Awesomism touches on all of that and kind of provides some really practical applications and techniques for moving through a lot of that energy.

• 38:18Ky Dickens?

  And if someone wanted to have a private consultation, or sign up for a workshop, or do one of the group lessons that you offer, how would they find you?

• 38:25Speaker 01

  The website is suzymiller.com. And I'd highly suggest that they sign up for the newsletter. I send out a monthly newsletter. It lets everybody know what's on offer every single month.

• 38:40Ky Dickens?

  Yeah, that's a great resource. So any closing thoughts, Suzy? What do you want to leave us with?

• 38:44Speaker 01

  These kids are always going to evolve us. They're always going to invite us to more. And so it can also be very humbling to recognize that

• 39:00Speaker 01

  The information that they hold as a collective, each one of them holds information individually. But the information that they hold as a collective is so much bigger than any one of us. When they say it takes a village, it takes a very big village in order to, you know, just engage with all of the different aspects that the kids are bringing forward. So I think keep an open mind, keep an open heart. As we do that, we can really begin to learn from the kids. Just stay open and stay curious. Ask questions. You'll be amazed at the ride these kids can take you on.

• 39:45Ky Dickens?

  Well, thank you so much, Suzy, for your wisdom and your gifts and the ways that you are continuing to impact the world. And that's it for this episode of The Talk Tracks, but we'll be back a week from Sunday. And in our next episode, we'll explore pre-cognitive abilities and the nature of time and even time travel. So stay tuned as we work to unravel all the threads, even the veiled ones that knit together our reality. Please remember to stay kind, stay curious, and that being a true skeptic requires an open mind. Thank you to my amazing collaborators. Original music was created by Elizabeth P. W., original logo and cover art by Ben Kandora Design, the audio mix and finishing by Ben Campafrida, our amazing podcast coordinator Jill Pachesnik,

• 40:30Ky Dickens?

  my amazing assistant Catherine Ellis. And I'm Kai Dickens, your writer, creator, and host. Thank you again for joining us.