Clavicular Shoots an Alligator and Other Recent Animal News Stories

Wes, Jeff, and Mike talk about some of the more notable animal news stories to hit the headlines over the past month or two, including a wolf in Hamburg, a California community grieving the death of a mama bear, and a certain looksmaxxing influencer getting in some serious trouble. Watch here: https://youtu.be/9nkbVfIrlLU ~~ Veracity: For up to 65% off your order, head to https://VeracityHealth.co and use code TOOTH. Miracle Brand: Upgrade your sleep with Miracle Made! Go to https://trymiracle.com/TOOTH and use code TOOTH to claim your free 3-piece towel set and save over 40% off. Fabric: Go to https://meetfabric.com/TOOTH and apply today, risk-free. LMNT: Receive a free LMNT Sample Pack with any order when you go to https://drinklmnt.com/tooth Rocket Money: Let Rocket Money help you reach your financial goals faster—find and cancel unwanted subscriptions, monitor your spending, and lower your bills at https://RocketMoney.com/CLAW ~~ To advertise on the show, contact us! Patreon - https://www.patreon.com/c/toothandclawpodcast ~~ Tooth & Claw is brought to you by QCODE. Support the show and get access to an extensive library of exclusive episodes like this by supporting the show on Patreon or joining the Grizzly Club on Apple Podcasts. For the latest updates on the show and all things wildlife, follow us at toothandclawpod.com and social: Instagram: @ToothandClawPodcast Twitter: @ToothandClawPod Wes: @GrizKid Jeff: @jefe_larson Mike: @mikey3ds Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:13Jeff Larson?

  Hello everyone, we are the Tooth and Claw Podcast and we have the King of All Bears, Wes Larson with us. I'm Wes's little brother Jeff and then we also have-

• 0:26Mike Smith?

  The Prince of Bears.

• 0:27Jeff Larson?

  Mike Smith. Yeah, the prince and Mike Smith who is our little jester.

• 0:34Mike Smith?

  Ooh, that's actually better than I was expecting.

• 0:38Wes Larson?

  Do little dances for us.

• 0:39Mike Smith?

  Yeah, that's great.

• 0:41Jeff Larson?

  And we are a wildlife podcast. We talk about a bunch of different wildlife stories, a lot of different attack stories, what people can do to avoid getting attacked. And me and Mike actually specialize in while you're being attacked, what tactics you could use to overcome a lot of extremely dangerous animals.

• 1:06Wes Larson?

  You guys have become real professionals.

• 1:08Jeff Larson?

  But Wes is an expert at avoiding that situation altogether.

• 1:13Wes Larson?

  Sure.

• 1:13Jeff Larson?

  How would you put that intro Wes?

• 1:16Wes Larson?

  Uh, I, that's a 10 out of 10 Jeff.

• 1:19Jeff Larson?

  That's a 10.

• 1:21Mike Smith?

  Really? You're giving him a 10 for that?

• 1:24Wes Larson?

  I'm just in a good mood.

• 1:26Mike Smith?

  Okay, yeah, we'll keep, let's keep him there.

• 1:27Jeff Larson?

  No ass eating in there.

• 1:29Wes Larson?

  Spring has sprung here. Yeah, he didn't say, well, now it's out there, but uh-

• 1:34Mike Smith?

  Now it's a 10.

• 1:36Wes Larson?

  Yeah, now I lost a couple of points for that.

• 1:38Jeff Larson?

  Uh, you guys got anything you want to talk about before we get into the episode?

• 1:43Mike Smith?

  No sir.

• 1:44Jeff Larson?

  No?

• 1:44Mike Smith?

  Let's do it.

• 1:44Jeff Larson?

  Alright, well, this is gonna be a news episode, so we're gonna just talk about recent animal stories in the news that, you know, might not make it to a main episode, but are worth talking about still, you know?

• 1:59Wes Larson?

  Yeah, none of these, none, this is a main episode, but none of these can fill an episode on their own.

• 2:05Jeff Larson?

  That's right.

• 2:06Wes Larson?

  And we do this like every probably five episodes, we throw out one of these because a lot happens. There's a lot of news. You know, we're bombarded by it and some of this animal news might slip through the cracks if you're not paying attention.

• 2:22Jeff Larson?

  And it's a really hard episode because you know, there's a lot of stories being made up out there that keep tricking me.

• 2:30Wes Larson?

  Fake news.

• 2:31Jeff Larson?

  Like there's this dog that escaped and led seven other dogs back to their homes that went viral.

• 2:37Wes Larson?

  Yeah. What was the one you posted one to our account not long ago that I had to tell you was fake?

• 2:42Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 2:43Mike Smith?

  Ooh, uh oh.

• 2:44Wes Larson?

  Yeah. He was crestfallen, Mike. I've never seen him sadder than when I told him that story was fake. It was a what?

• 2:52Jeff Larson?

  I said dang it.

• 2:53Wes Larson?

  Yeah, dang it. Go, go darn it. Uh, who wants to go first?

• 2:58Mike Smith?

  Could I?

• 2:59Wes Larson?

  You know I do.

• 3:00Jeff Larson?

  I'll go first.

• 3:01Wes Larson?

  Oh, all three of us. Wait, Mike, Mike said it first.

• 3:05Jeff Larson?

  Pick a, pick a number, Wes.

• 3:10Wes Larson?

  Any number?

• 3:11Jeff Larson?

  One to three, sorry.

• 3:13Mike Smith?

  You got it, yeah.

• 3:14Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 3:15Wes Larson?

  Okay, I'll pick three.

• 3:17Jeff Larson?

  Okay, three goes first. Mike, pick a number.

• 3:20Mike Smith?

  Two.

• 3:21Jeff Larson?

  Two goes second. I'll go last.

• 3:23Wes Larson?

  Alright, okay. Uh, alright, so I'm gonna actually start with a story that got sent to me a lot. I don't know how much it got sent to the podcast, but uh, it's about a bear in California. I was just in California for a couple of weeks and so I decided all of my stories today are gonna be from California because a lot happened there the last couple of months, actually. Uh, but yeah, this one got sent to me a lot. It's the uh, the tragic story of Blondie the Bear. And I might take a stance on this one that's a little bit surprising to a lot of people, especially our newer listeners, but I do want listeners of the show to understand that wildlife management

• 4:05Wes Larson?

  is really tricky. There's a lot of different interest groups involved if you're a wildlife manager and part of being a, a good biologist and wildlife manager is learning how to make hard decisions. So in mid-March-

• 4:17Jeff Larson?

  Will you ever just stay neutral on something? Just be like, I don't have a stance?

• 4:21Wes Larson?

  Uh-

• 4:22Jeff Larson?

  You always have a stance.

• 4:23Wes Larson?

  I don't always, actually.

• 4:25Mike Smith?

  Like JoJo.

• 4:25Wes Larson?

  But I do on wildlife stuff usually.

• 4:29Jeff Larson?

  What's your stance on ram, top ramming?

• 4:32Wes Larson?

  Uh, I'm neutral.

• 4:34Jeff Larson?

  Alright.

• 4:35Mike Smith?

  No, you're not. You're just saying that now. You're just saying that to appease Jeff, so he stops talking.

• 4:40Wes Larson?

  Yep. In mid-March, a female black bear named Blondie was captured in Monrovia, which is a city in the foothills of Los Angeles County. This bear and her two cubs, uh, these were cubs of the year, so new cubs, were well-known to the public, and she was often spotted swimming in people's swimming pools or eating out of unprotected trash. And she was especially popular this year because she had these brand-new baby cubs with her that are very cute. There's not much cuter than black bear cubs when they're pretty new, you know?

• 5:12Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 5:13Wes Larson?

  They're just-

• 5:13Jeff Larson?

  Maybe baby ducks.

• 5:15Wes Larson?

  Yeah. Those, those are the two cutest things, I think, in the world. Alright. She was captured, this bear was captured because her habituation and food conditioning had recently taken a bit of a scary turn. She'd already had a big strike against her when last June, she approached an elderly man on his porch and swiped at him, causing minor injuries. And then on March 14th of this year, she again swiped at a woman who was out walking her dog, and again caused some minor injuries. And we've talked about black bears a lot on the show. They really don't often make contact with humans unless there are like extenuating circumstances.

• 5:58Wes Larson?

  And I really think this bear being so habituated and fed, um, not on purpose fed, but she's eating trash, she's eating human food, dog food, all these different things, made her a lot more comfortable around humans. And I'm actually really impressed that she wasn't captured after this first incident, climbing up on someone's porch and swiping at him. In most places in Missoula, that would be a bear that they would put down immediately. Um, but I do think some of these foothills of LA bears get a lot of chances before they get in trouble. And the second incident must have just been too much for wildlife officials because they did capture Blondie and her cubs.

• 6:41Wes Larson?

  The decision was made a few days later to euthanize Blondie. Uh, so on March 17th, she was euthanized, and her cubs are put in a wildlife rehab with the hope that they could be returned to the wild when they're old enough. No big surprise. The community was not happy about this. They even had a two-mile march in remembrance of Blondie. There was protests. They were not excited that this bear was killed. Yeah, I know you would. Local leaders were upset that they were kept out of the decision-making process and people made threats against the wildlife department. Now Jeff already voiced his opinion. I'm gonna voice mine. I think this was the only

• 7:22Wes Larson?

  decision that they could have made at this point. Once you catch this bear, the cubs are probably young enough they can be rewilded, but this bear, the female, had already shown a history of food conditioning, extreme habituation with two attacks. She's a huge liability, both legally and for the overall public perception of black bears. So really, I think the people that are blamed here are the people that were allowing her to access human food, not the wildlife officials that had to make a hard decision and kill a bear. I promise you, they did not want to kill. So I'm sure someone's gonna ask the question out there, why didn't they just move her? Why didn't they put her somewhere else? And the problem

• 8:04Wes Larson?

  with that is, they often come back to where you moved them from, even if you go pretty far. And then the other problem is if you move it far enough, it's just moving a problem. She's going to find other houses, she's going to find cabins or whatever else, and look for food in those places too. And at that point, she's so food-conditioned that if she doesn't find it, she might try and break into the house, or do things that really cause problems. And the reason that I think you have to euthanize a bear like this, is that once they start doing those things, people start to dislike bears. It starts to create a negative perception of the species as a whole, and the population as a whole.

• 8:47Wes Larson?

  So you can't make these kind of decisions based on individual bears. You have to make them based on the whole population. So I do think they did what they had to do here.

• 8:59Mike Smith?

  Do you think after everyone walked two miles, they'll change the way they respond to these incidents in the future?

• 9:05Wes Larson?

  Yeah, I think the wildlife people were like, oh, yeah, okay. If we could resurrect her, we would, but.

• 9:11Mike Smith?

  They probably are like, you gotta walk at least three miles before we start taking you serious.

• 9:16Jeff Larson?

  I.

• 9:17Mike Smith?

  No, I actually, I like the fact that they did the hike. I think that's a, that's a nice thing.

• 9:21Jeff Larson?

  Like, I like that the town wants bears, you know, that the people there want bears, that they're upset whenever a bear's killed. I think that's the way it should be. And even if the bear, like even if it's better off for all the bears in the area that this bear was killed. Maybe that was the right decision by like the wildlife department. But like, I'm still glad that the public is getting mad at them for it, you know? Because like, it shows that they're on the side of having bears.

• 9:53Wes Larson?

  I'm glad that the public was mad that this bear had to be killed. But their anger should be directed at people that were letting her eat human food. That's where, that's where the changes need to be made.

• 10:04Jeff Larson?

  And the damn skateboarders.

• 10:06Wes Larson?

  And skateboarders. They gotta be mad at skateboarders because they're, they're always causing problems.

• 10:12Jeff Larson?

  Yeah, they're throwing food everywhere too.

• 10:14Wes Larson?

  Yeah. The wildlife, I, you know, having worked with a lot of different wildlife people and in a lot of different places and people from different backgrounds. I've never met anyone that wanted to kill a bear. And I've met a lot of people that are like really gun happy. They're working in wildlife and they still don't like shooting bears. You usually don't get into a wildlife profession if you want to kill wildlife. Just like, you know, for these kind of reasons. Uh, there's plenty of hunters that get into wildlife, but that's a different story. So. I, I feel bad for these people that had to make this decision. They didn't want to do it and

• 10:55Wes Larson?

  I, I'm with you guys. I'm glad that they loved this bear and I'm glad that they like had a, a remembrance for her. But I wish, I would hope that they don't blame the wildlife agencies for her death. They need to blame themselves, unfortunately.

• 11:10Mike Smith?

  I have kind of a dumb question, maybe Wes.

• 11:13Wes Larson?

  Yeah. What's that, Mike?

• 11:15Mike Smith?

  So this bear's name was Blondie, and I was gonna make a joke about how do they know? Like, did the bear tell them that was her name? But do bears and other animals actually vocalize? Like, do they name each other? Do they have things that they can, like, vocalize that will call attention to a specific other member of their pack or?

• 11:38Wes Larson?

  I don't think so. I think they've done research that maybe, like whales and chimpanzees and some of these really kind of upper-level intelligence animals might be vocalizing specific sounds for specific individuals. But I would be very surprised if bears have, like, names for their family members or cohorts or whatever. So I don't know if anyone's done that work, though.

• 12:06Jeff Larson?

  At the shelter, they were calling my dog Bronze. And when I adopted him, he told me his name's Shanks.

• 12:14Mike Smith?

  See, Wes?

• 12:15Jeff Larson?

  Is that what you're asking, Mike?

• 12:16Mike Smith?

  That's exactly what I was getting at. Yeah.

• 12:18Wes Larson?

  That was a better answer.

• 12:20Mike Smith?

  Finally, yes.

• 12:22Jeff Larson?

  So yes, animals do name each other.

• 12:25Wes Larson?

  This one was named Blondie because she was a fairly blonde black bear.

• 12:32Jeff Larson?

  And it just so happened to be the name the bears gave her, too?

• 12:36Wes Larson?

  I don't think the bears had given her a name, but...

• 12:38Jeff Larson?

  Oh, so Mike, what were you saying, Mike?

• 12:41Mike Smith?

  I don't, I'm not even sure anymore, Jeff. You've got me all twisted about.

• 12:46Wes Larson?

  All right, I'm done with my first story.

• 12:49Mike Smith?

  Okay, this one, I'm calling this one Wolfgang the Window Shopper.

• 12:53Jeff Larson?

  Why?

• 12:54Mike Smith?

  You'll see, Jeff, I got some details that might elucidate a little bit as to why I'm calling it that.

• 12:59Jeff Larson?

  So, location. Window shop.

• 13:02Mike Smith?

  A major shopping street in Hamburg, Germany. This happened March 30th, I believe, 2026. At least all the articles that I read were published on that date. So let's go to, let's go to Germany, guys. You guys are always like, Europe, not that dangerous when wildlife is concerned. Well, try telling that to this lady in this story.

• 13:22Wes Larson?

  I won't.

• 13:24Mike Smith?

  So we've got a pretty rare attack here, actually. And this is the first time that such an incident has happened since 1998. So on the evening of a late March day, there's a German woman walking through the shopping center near an inner-city Ikea. She was walking around the shopping center and she saw what she initially thought was a huge dog repeatedly running into a pane of glass. So if you can imagine, and again, this, a lot of these articles were translated directly just from German. So it wasn't made exactly clear in the language I'm able to read, but it's made it sound like it was trapped behind, maybe inside of a storefront, trying to get out and escape to safety rather than like trying to get into somewhere. But again, I'm not totally clear as to what was happening.

• 14:09Mike Smith?

  Anyway, she, she felt pretty bad because again, it looked like this animal was doing harm to itself. So she approached it, hoping to lead it outside into somewhere it would feel a little more safe to escape to freedom, you know?

• 14:22Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 14:23Mike Smith?

  What happened from there was witnessed by a musical theater actor named Lionel von Lawrence Olin.

• 14:30Wes Larson?

  Okay.

• 14:31Mike Smith?

  Again, we're in Germany here, if it wasn't made clear yet. He was also out shopping in the area with his two-year-old daughter. And as they were leaving the supermarket, they heard and saw this woman fall to the ground and they thought this was just a huge dog at first, too. But they quickly realized this is one of, an increasing sighting of wolves penetrating into city centers. And they're like, oh my gosh, we gotta go help. So he ran over, this wolf was on top of her, it disengaged and ran off. He gave her a handkerchief because she had a pretty gnarly wound on her face from the wolf, bit her right on the cheek, I think is what it was trying to communicate to me, this article. So again, according to authorities, this is the first time a wolf attack has been recorded in Germany since 1998.

• 15:17Mike Smith?

  And they've just very recently begun to re-inhabit this part of the world after 150 years of being, I think extirpated is the term, right? Would that make sense?

• 15:28Wes Larson?

  When you say this part of the world, you mean like downtown Hamburg?

• 15:31Mike Smith?

  Yeah, it's like Germany. Generally, there's just not 150 years, wolves just haven't been in Germany, period.

• 15:38Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 15:38Mike Smith?

  But ever since the fall of the Berlin Wall, that's opened the way for wolves to come in from the east through Poland back into Germany. So in 2024, the confirmed number of wild packs has risen anywhere from between 100 to 200, which is pretty great, I think, because like in West, tell us again, I love this story. I do so love it when you tell. Why? How?

• 16:04Mike Smith?

  Wolves, uh, hold on, I'm gonna just get myself together. Okay, it's not even funny. Wolves in their ecosystems, like, why, why are they important to have as far as like balancing out the natural world?

• 16:17Wes Larson?

  Yeah, there's a lot of, uh, consequences that can come from this kind of landscape of fear.

• 16:23Mike Smith?

  Trees?

• 16:24Wes Larson?

  But I actually, I'm glad you brought this up because there, so that whole, that whole thesis in Yellowstone with like the willows growing in and the beavers coming back and all of that. There's been a lot of pushback to that idea recently. And even a lot of the wolf biologists in Yellowstone are saying, no, that's actually not why we're having this willow regeneration and whatnot. Like hunting has actually been a bigger effect on that than anything. A few different factors are at play. So I don't think we can say that wolves coming back have that grand of an effect like we've talked about. But what we can say is that they are alpha predators.

• 17:05Wes Larson?

  And all these different trophic levels below them, all the, you know, the things that they're eating and the things that they're eating and whatnot are going to be affected by their presence on the landscape. Uh, what, how marked that effect is, is still kind of under review.

• 17:21Mike Smith?

  Okay.

• 17:22Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 17:23Mike Smith?

  Well, just to tack on a quick code to the story. So the wolf escaped last we heard from it. It was running around, taking just a tour of Hamburg and it ended up-

• 17:31Wes Larson?

  Looking for hamburgers?

• 17:32Mike Smith?

  You got it, imagine, right?

• 17:34Wes Larson?

  You have to.

• 17:35Mike Smith?

  That's where they're from.

• 17:37Mike Smith?

  Is that?

• 17:38Wes Larson?

  I don't think so.

• 17:39Mike Smith?

  Is that a?

• 17:39Wes Larson?

  I think.

• 17:39Mike Smith?

  Are we busting that myth? I don't know.

• 17:41Jeff Larson?

  Germany made hamburgers?

• 17:43Wes Larson?

  I think that's they're named after Hamburg, but I don't think they're

• 17:48Mike Smith?

  From there?

• 17:49Wes Larson?

  Actually from there.

• 17:50Jeff Larson?

  Do you think french fries are from France?

• 17:53Mike Smith?

  I don't know. French is mustard.

• 17:54Wes Larson?

  You guys remember after nine 11, everyone was calling them freedom fries?

• 17:59Mike Smith?

  Dude, even back then, I was like, this is the stupidest thing I've ever. I was like 10 and I was like, this is stupid.

• 18:04Wes Larson?

  And it was just because France didn't want to like go indiscriminately bomb people. So we were like, oh, these are freedom fries now. So stupid. Okay, I'm gonna see what hamburgers came from.

• 18:16Mike Smith?

  Okay, do that and I'll finish the story while you do that. So.

• 18:19Wes Larson?

  Okay.

• 18:19Mike Smith?

  It was swimming around, it eventually made its way into a lake and the police got it surrounded and they threw a lasso. And this is kind of impressive. They lassoed it and pulled it up back up onto land. And for the next hour, this wolf was just fighting them. They said the police had to get out like riot shields, I think is what he was talking about. Cause it was just going crazy trying to get away. Eventually they were able to corral it and send it off to

• 18:45Mike Smith?

  where is it? Clovenstein Wildlife Park, where they were holding it until it could calm down. Upon which time they would release it back into the wild somewhere less populated. So.

• 18:53Jeff Larson?

  Yeah, we've heard that with Germany before. Send him to a camp.

• 18:59Wes Larson?

  Don't want that.

• 19:03Jeff Larson?

  I'm just worried about the wolf is all I'm saying.

• 19:06Mike Smith?

  Yeah, no, it's you're asking the right. You're asking questions. Which is a step.

• 19:12Jeff Larson?

  No bad, no stupid question.

• 19:14Wes Larson?

  That I just keep thinking about how crazy that would be. Like imagine you're in downtown Salt Lake. Hamburg's like a big city.

• 19:21Mike Smith?

  I know.

• 19:22Wes Larson?

  And you're just kind of like strolling around window shopping, eating a hamburger. And you just see a wolf, you know?

• 19:34Wes Larson?

  Right.

• 19:36Jeff Larson?

  Where's their, where are they from?

• 19:38Wes Larson?

  They're, they're from the US, but they were created by like German immigrants that had this thing called like a Hamburg steak, which was like a chopped, almost ground beef like steak. They used those to create hamburgers.

• 19:53Mike Smith?

  See, Germany, you've got a lot of history to be proud of. Just focus on what you've done that's good instead of.

• 19:58Wes Larson?

  Yeah. Why do you have to keep bringing up all the bad stuff?

• 20:02Jeff Larson?

  Jeff, that's probably partially my fault.

• 20:04Mike Smith?

  Yeah, they did go to war against the entire world twice. So that's like, uh, but on the other side, they did.

• 20:12Wes Larson?

  The first time was fun.

• 20:14Jeff Larson?

  Respected.

• 20:14Mike Smith?

  First time seemed a little more fun.

• 20:15Wes Larson?

  Second time was the bad one.

• 20:17Jeff Larson?

  Like, imagine if one UFC fighter was just like, I'm gonna fight all of them at once.

• 20:22Mike Smith?

  Right. And kind of like got close to winning.

• 20:25Jeff Larson?

  Be like, that's kind of badass.

• 20:26Mike Smith?

  Yeah, they did pre, put up a good fight too.

• 20:29Jeff Larson?

  And then they almost won both times.

• 20:30Wes Larson?

  They get like beaten down to a pulp and then they get up and they're like, I want to go again.

• 20:36Mike Smith?

  Let's go around to.

• 20:37Wes Larson?

  And like a few of the fighters in the big group just like quit before they even start. They're just like, nope.

• 20:45Mike Smith?

  Uh, before we get people writing in, I'm going to retract what I said. Uh, you can stand by what you said, Wes. World War I didn't sound fun really at all for the boots on the ground, but I see, I think I kind of see what you're meaning.

• 20:56Wes Larson?

  Fun reasons. They got into it for fun reasons.

• 20:59Jeff Larson?

  I'll push back on that.

• 21:00Mike Smith?

  Yeah, go ahead, Jeff. I don't, uh, care.

• 21:05Mike Smith?

  Okay, it's your turn.

• 21:06Wes Larson?

  Your turn, Jeff.

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• 23:59Jeff Larson?

  Alright, Mike.

• 24:00Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 24:01Jeff Larson?

  What's your favorite thing about popular streamer Clavicular?

• 24:05Wes Larson?

  Oh, his looks-maxing tutorials on YouTube. Is that who that is?

• 24:11Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 24:12Wes Larson?

  God, this is someone I really hoped we'd never have to bring up ever on the show.

• 24:20Jeff Larson?

  Wes, you've been bear-maxing for years.

• 24:23Wes Larson?

  I have been bear-maxing a bit.

• 24:26Jeff Larson?

  Mike's been calf-maxing for pretty much his whole life.

• 24:30Wes Larson?

  For sure.

• 24:31Jeff Larson?

  And I'd say I've been diarrhea-maxing for a long time. Especially this week.

• 24:36Wes Larson?

  Right, you're one of the best.

• 24:37Jeff Larson?

  I even wore off on shanks a little today.

• 24:41Wes Larson?

  Nice.

• 24:42Jeff Larson?

  Yeah. But anyways, I don't know if I'm saying his name completely right, he doesn't deserve it anyways, but Clavicular, he, so he's all about looks-maxing, right? Like, I saw him on the Adam Freeland show and he was saying like, "You can take out student loans and pretend you're going to college and then just get facial surgery with that money and you don't get too big of a penalty." Like, he's just like, "That's all that matters is your looks and like, giving plastic surgery to look better, right?" But anyways, he streams his entire life, like 24/7 pretty much and, you know, a lot of women

• 25:28Jeff Larson?

  see how popular a streamer is and they want to get on there and that's his whole gimmick and a lot of people like I would have been as a teenager, tune in to see what's going on. As a teenager, I would have been like, "Wow."

• 25:41Wes Larson?

  You know Marvin Gaye would have been like, "What's going on?" He would have tuned in.

• 25:46Jeff Larson?

  And then immature teenage Jeff, what's something else he would have thought might have been cool? I don't know, maybe just going out on the swamp and shooting an alligator for no reason. Right? Before I knew any better, well, this guy should know better. He's old enough to know better. And he doesn't because he went on a swamp boat. Uh, they drove out, just found a random alligator that wasn't even very big and pulled out pistols and shot it. A bunch of times and it killed it, right? And that was it like that. There's no point to it. They just wanted to go kill something. But turns out.

• 26:22Wes Larson?

  Just a normal thing to just wanna go.

• 26:25Jeff Larson?

  Didn't do it during hunting season and they killed an alligator too small under Florida law. So it's a felony. So right now he is felony maxing. And I think most of the world is kinda just rooting for his downfall.

• 26:42Wes Larson?

  Yeah, I am especially after hearing that story. Yeah.

• 26:46Mike Smith?

  And it's a bad look for someone who cares about looks.

• 26:49Wes Larson?

  I I lose, I do tend to lose a lot of respect for people. Even people I've known for a while, if they tell me stories about just like killing animals for fun. You know, it just kind of is like, oh, how do you have that in you like? And how have you not gotten out of it, you know?

• 27:09Jeff Larson?

  I think it might be part of why I chose this story too. It's just like. Like I've mentioned it before, but like my younger self was impressed by like hunters who would kill exotic animals. And I think that there's a lot of people who have been in the same boat, but that that's an impressive thing. And I'm just trying to like make it one of the least impressive things possible now by my own merit, you know?

• 27:36Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 27:37Jeff Larson?

  So to me, like, I like shaming anyone who kills an animal for no reason.

• 27:41Wes Larson?

  Yeah. And this feels especially shame, shame. Uh, this feels especially.

• 27:49Jeff Larson?

  She was hot. Did you know that?

• 27:51Wes Larson?

  Who?

• 27:52Jeff Larson?

  The shame lady. She's like the hot blonde lady in Ted Lasso.

• 27:58Wes Larson?

  Okay. All right. I like that. I'm I'm all on board. Um.

• 28:02Jeff Larson?

  In Game of Thrones there. Hide in it.

• 28:05Wes Larson?

  I think this feels especially insidious to me cuz I don't like trophy hunting at all, but trophy hunters. I feel like they're at least like trying to bring something back like they want. Like something to display. I'm not saying that's like better, but for whatever reason in my brain, when someone's just going out and they just wanna kill. There's no other reason for it. They just wanna kill something.

• 28:29Jeff Larson?

  Right, to like look cool on a street.

• 28:32Wes Larson?

  It feels really bad to me. It's a huge red flag.

• 28:36Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 28:37Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 28:38Jeff Larson?

  So, yeah, I had to unfollow him.

• 28:40Wes Larson?

  That's I tell people.

• 28:41Jeff Larson?

  But I had to unfollow.

• 28:42Wes Larson?

  Oh, you're following him already?

• 28:44Jeff Larson?

  Oh dude, his maxing.

• 28:46Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 28:47Jeff Larson?

  No, I wasn't following him.

• 28:48Wes Larson?

  Okay.

• 28:50Jeff Larson?

  But I got you.

• 28:51Wes Larson?

  It sucks that that's kids these days. They have to deal with all that. Get outside, kids. Go just have some fun. Don't follow these these guys. Just wait until you wait to ruin your life. Until you're our age and then ruin it like we have.

• 29:09Jeff Larson?

  Who should they look up to though?

• 29:11Wes Larson?

  Mike cuz Mike's not really on social media. I need to be. Off maxing.

• 29:20Wes Larson?

  Something a little euphemistic about that. I don't know what exactly, but.

• 29:23Jeff Larson?

  Oh, before we move to Wes again, I wanna mention too, because Mike talked about wolves and Wes talked about California. Were you gonna talk about that wolf, Wes?

• 29:33Wes Larson?

  Uh, there's a wolf that showed up in Los Angeles County in California.

• 29:37Jeff Larson?

  First time in a hundred years.

• 29:39Wes Larson?

  First time in a hundred years.

• 29:41Jeff Larson?

  What happened a hundred years ago?

• 29:44Wes Larson?

  Uh, they extirpated wolves probably from Los Angeles County.

• 29:47Jeff Larson?

  Hundred years ago, we were.

• 29:50Wes Larson?

  Nineteen twenty-six.

• 29:51Jeff Larson?

  Building cars for like the first time ever.

• 29:54Wes Larson?

  It was, uh, I think it was prohibition, probably. That explains it.

• 30:01Wes Larson?

  That's why wolves are running wild. Uh, so, wait, what were we? Oh, yeah. So anyway, a wolf showed up in Los Angeles. I think it's gone now where they moved it. I'm not sure what happened. I can't remember.

• 30:11Jeff Larson?

  I have an idea, actually. I think like, you know how there's like wolf fanatics out there that just are obsessed with wolves? Like if a wolf shows up in LA again, go plant like 10,000 trees and just be like, look, this wolf killed off the deer and elk that were keeping these trees from growing.

• 30:33Wes Larson?

  Now there's a bunch of trees. Landscape of fears.

• 30:37Jeff Larson?

  Plant a bunch of cottonwoods by the river.

• 30:40Wes Larson?

  Sure. All right. Uh, we're going back to California for number two, the, the Golden State. This, yeah. Is that what it is? Right?

• 30:51Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 30:52Wes Larson?

  The Golden State?

• 30:52Jeff Larson?

  Golden State.

• 30:53Wes Larson?

  Golden State Killer Warrior. Uh, all right. So.

• 30:58Mike Smith?

  Is that what the team is named after? That guy that killed her? Oh, my gosh.

• 31:04Wes Larson?

  All right, imagine, imagine you're a teenage girl, guys.

• 31:08Mike Smith?

  Yeah, easy.

• 31:09Wes Larson?

  I know you do this sometimes.

• 31:10Jeff Larson?

  No, I refuse.

• 31:12Wes Larson?

  Okay, so it wouldn't be hard for Bailey Vanden Bosch to imagine she's a teenage girl because she is. And she was this March when she was riding her bike during the unseasonably warm March temperatures this spring in Southern California and throughout the West, honestly. And on March 20th, she had gone for this bike ride with one of her friends in Ventura County. It's about 5:30 PM and Bailey had gotten to a tricky, uneven part of this trail and decided to walk her bike. When she lost her balance, slipped and fell into the brush, the bike kind of falling down on top of her. As she got up, she was unaware that this brush already had a resident,

• 31:56Wes Larson?

  and she unknowingly stepped on a rattlesnake that was resting under the bush that she had fallen into. Bailey felt a strong pain in her ankle and saw one puncture wound with some blood leaking out, but she still didn't realize that she had been bitten by a snake. So I assume that this rattlesnake was not rattling. And sometimes that'll happen if like, if the encounter happens so quick that the rattlesnake doesn't really even have a chance to rattle, they'll just bite. And that's what happened here, I believe. Anyway, her friend caught up to her. They both decided that she had broken her ankle in the fall because it was immediately starting to swell and be really painful. And then Bailey's face started tingling and she started to lose her hearing.

• 32:40Wes Larson?

  We've all had like ankle breaks or sprains. Did either of you lose your hearing when you, when you broke your ankles?

• 32:49Jeff Larson?

  I threw up and put my face in it.

• 32:52Wes Larson?

  I was there, I remember that. Yeah. You sure did do that. Yeah, I didn't either. So this isn't a broken ankle, this is something else. Her body was also feeling very strange. So they called Bailey's dad and he tried to use her phone to pinpoint their exact location. Took him a little while to show up though. And by the time he had arrived, Bailey couldn't move and her face was kind of distorted, like it was swelling and kind of looked like she was having a stroke, I believe. So by the time the paramedics arrived, she was having trouble breathing. She was taken to the hospital and given antivenom and she is recovering now, but her foot is still swollen and painful and she's still on crutches.

• 33:33Wes Larson?

  But she's lucky compared to some other Southern California residents this year. Because on February 1st, something very similar happened to 25-year-old Julian Hernandez, but with far worse consequences. He too was mountain biking, but he was in Irvine. And like Bailey, he had lost his balance. He'd reached over to like tie a shoe or something, his bike tipped. He fell into some brush while balancing and he was also unlucky enough to fall into a rattlesnake. He was bitten and taken to the hospital soon thereafter, but he spent almost a month in the hospital, part of that time in a coma.

• 34:13Wes Larson?

  A coma before finally succumbing to the effect of the venom and he passed away on March 4th. So kinda crazy, but you know what's even crazier is that it happened again. On March 14th, 46 year old Gabriela Batista was hiking in Ventura County when she was bitten by rattlesnake. She too was airlifted to a local hospital where she would spend five days fighting the venom, but also would end up dying from complications of this envenomation. So this is kind of crazy.

• 34:46Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 34:46Wes Larson?

  Usually in the entire US on a given year, we have typically between five or three to six fatalities from venomous snakes. There's already been two in just California. And in just Ventura County, there's been six bites so far this year. And generally they report about nine bites for the entire year. So really getting off to a quick start for rattlesnake bites in California. And there's a big reason for that. I already mentioned.

• 35:15Jeff Larson?

  Venom maxing.

• 35:17Wes Larson?

  They've been venom maxing out in California. Yep.

• 35:20Jeff Larson?

  Like Tom Hardy.

• 35:21Wes Larson?

  I mentioned that it's been a warm spring and in March, especially a lot of the West experienced a big heat wave. I know it happened in Utah, it happened here in Montana and it happened in California. Where suddenly temperatures were in the upper eighties or even lower nineties in Southern California. And these snakes, rattlesnakes in this area do broomate, uh, which is kind of like a type of hibernation. So during the winter, their, their activity is way down. Some of them are going into these dens and they're just sleeping pretty much the entire winter season. And then they wake up in the spring and what triggers that, that movement and that activity is warm temperature. That's part of what triggers it. So when it warmed up really quickly in March,

• 36:04Wes Larson?

  rattlesnakes were suddenly moving around a lot more than they typically do in March. So I think a lot of these people that are maybe more concerned about rattlesnakes and typically in April, moving forward. Kind of thought they were still out of rattlesnake season. There's not really a season in California. You could find a rattlesnake any time of the year in California. But generally, March isn't like high season for them. And this year.

• 36:29Jeff Larson?

  Once it warms up, they still move around more.

• 36:32Wes Larson?

  Yeah, and this is a good time of year for them to be moving around because it doesn't get too hot in the middle of the day. So. Uh, if you, if you live in Southern California, just be aware that it is now rattlesnake season and you need to be, you know, cautious and wear proper footwear. And um, just know that there's a lot of bites every year and very, very few people die from them. The US usually has around seven thousand bites per year. And only, you know, like I said before, three to six deaths. So if you do get bit, what are the two things you want if you get bit by a venomous snake?

• 37:08Mike Smith?

  Keys and phone.

• 37:08Jeff Larson?

  Car keys and cellphone.

• 37:10Wes Larson?

  Yep.

• 37:10Jeff Larson?

  And a helicopter.

• 37:12Wes Larson?

  Call for help, get to help. So I take a photo of the snake too. A helicopter would be great. Or like a jet pack. That's my, that's my second story in California. Um. I just want to say though, really quick, we've been doing a lot of snake stuff lately. Snakes do not want anything to do with us. They don't want to bite us. They want to get away from you. So we shouldn't blame these snakes for this.

• 37:37Jeff Larson?

  Bill, make like an Instagram post thing that just says Wes Larson, twenty twenty six, the year of the rattlesnake.

• 37:45Wes Larson?

  Yeah, I like that.

• 37:46Jeff Larson?

  Like Wes is quoting twenty twenty six is the year of the rattlesnake.

• 37:49Wes Larson?

  Like year of the shark?

• 37:51Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 37:52Mike Smith?

  How do you explain?

• 37:53Wes Larson?

  Should we make a bet?

• 37:54Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 37:55Mike Smith?

  Oh, you guys, you guys just can't stop.

• 37:57Jeff Larson?

  More deaths this year than normal?

• 37:59Mike Smith?

  Wagering?

• 38:00Wes Larson?

  Yeah. I'd bet that there are. How do you explain what?

• 38:03Jeff Larson?

  That's what I want to.

• 38:05Mike Smith?

  The single puncture wound on her leg. Is that something that happens often with snake bites is they only get one tooth in there?

• 38:11Wes Larson?

  Uh, it can happen for sure. I think she actually got both punctures. She just didn't see it.

• 38:18Jeff Larson?

  Oh, I looked at the picture of this one. It was mainly one puncture and like. That's why they, that was part of why they didn't think is a rattlesnake was they didn't see the two bite marks. It was like her and her friend. So they saw one puncture, but they didn't see the second one. So they didn't really put it together that is a snake.

• 38:38Wes Larson?

  But I think she did have the second puncture wound after all.

• 38:41Mike Smith?

  It's just hard to see it. Okay.

• 38:43Wes Larson?

  Yeah, but they can just get one fang in sometimes too.

• 38:47Mike Smith?

  Like the Zootopia two snake, right?

• 38:49Wes Larson?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 38:50Mike Smith?

  One thing.

• 38:51Jeff Larson?

  Could be that snake.

• 38:53Wes Larson?

  Again, to one other thing I just wanted to, to push is if you do happen to get bit by a venomous snake and you go to the hospital, uh, make sure you advocate for yourself and make sure that you are getting enough anti-venom and that you have the doctors reach out to toxicologists. Because often doctors don't really know how to treat snake bites. So you really do need to advocate for yourself.

• 39:20Jeff Larson?

  Like we heard from Claire, like they didn't give her enough anti-venom until she insisted for it. And like, we've heard that a few times with different people. So like, you know, maybe had they pumped these guys. What? Claire?

• 39:34Wes Larson?

  Clara.

• 39:35Jeff Larson?

  With more anti-venom, who knows? But that's not to say like they wouldn't survive.

• 39:40Wes Larson?

  Yeah, sometimes.

• 39:41Jeff Larson?

  Maybe the doctors did. I don't know.

• 39:42Wes Larson?

  And these most likely were Southern Pacific rattlesnakes, which we learned in that Synanon story. They have really complicated venom that can be pretty tricky to nail down with anti-venom. So, um, I'm guessing that's probably the snakes involved, just based on the locations.

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• 43:50Mike Smith?

  All right, I've got another one for you guys. Another super rare one, in fact. This, oh man, this is like a, this is like a holographic Honus Wagner baseball card. Mint condition, that's how rare this is. Actually, the card might be more rare than what happened here. We'll see. Maybe we won't, I don't know. I'm not gonna talk too much more about Honus Wagner, unless you want me to.

• 44:13Wes Larson?

  I don't even know who that is. No.

• 44:15Mike Smith?

  Okay, so we're going to Cary, North Carolina at this time. Erin Hogston, that's our main character of the day. Erin Hogston.

• 44:26Wes Larson?

  The emphasis on hog.

• 44:28Mike Smith?

  I just like that name a lot. So Erin woke up early on a mid-March morning, drove a couple hours outside of her hometown. She's gonna cheer on some of her friends who are, yeah, Jeff.

• 44:40Jeff Larson?

  I've heard this one, but keep going.

• 44:42Mike Smith?

  Okay, yeah, pretend you didn't do that.

• 44:47Mike Smith?

  You added nothing to the story, really. You might have detracted a little bit, in fact. Anyway, she was on her way, she's gonna cheer on some of her friends who are gonna be running in this local marathon. She found a nice little spot where she settled in for the day and she was actually planning on surprising her friends. They didn't know she was gonna show up, they didn't know she was gonna be attending, so she's like getting all excited, hankering down at this little aid station.

• 45:12Mike Smith?

  But instead of surprising her friends, AIDS station. I don't know, I don't think they're handing out what you're thinking they're handing out there. I think it's like water, maybe some like calorically dense snack foods or something.

• 45:25Jeff Larson?

  I wouldn't drink it.

• 45:27Mike Smith?

  There's not like just dirty needles on the table.

• 45:32Mike Smith?

  Don't use those, anyone running marathons out there. Anyway, instead of being the surprise giver, she was the surprise receiver. So she was sitting there waiting to sit, and you gotta imagine, she's probably there for like seven hours waiting for her friends, just like excited the whole time. She heard some rustling in the bushes behind her and she described it as being this really loud bustling noise. And she was like, oh my gosh, that's, there's no way that's anything smaller than a bear. I've gotta get out of here or I'm gonna die. But as she started running, she lost her footing and fell and scraped up her hand pretty badly. But the injuries on her ankle came from something else entirely.

• 46:15Mike Smith?

  I haven't told you the culprit just yet, I'm wondering if you guys can put it together. This is gonna give it away, so if you have any guesses, now's the time.

• 46:25Mike Smith?

  A river otter.

• 46:27Jeff Larson?

  I think I heard a different story, so I'm not sure anymore.

• 46:31Mike Smith?

  Okay, good, I'm glad, this is new for you, Jeff. So when she told her story later, she said, quote, "Everybody was like, wow, we thought they were really nice. We thought that they were cute." And then Aaron goes on to say, "I don't know, I don't see anything cute about otters, especially now." And it's kind of hard to blame her when she like, she has to go to, you know, get like the rabies shots and that's like thousands of dollars that's going to put you out. Like, we always hear stories about these people, they get attacked by a shark and they're like, still, no, we love sharks, they're still awesome, it was just doing their thing. So it's kind of refreshing when someone's just like, yeah, I don't really like otters, especially now, you know?

• 47:09Mike Smith?

  But, uh, yeah, so like I was mentioning, this is really rare, so only 59 documented otter attacks have ever happened worldwide since 1875. The only other documented otter attack, uh, there's only one that's happened in North Carolina.

• 47:23Wes Larson?

  That's worldwide?

• 47:24Mike Smith?

  Honus Wagner, I think there were seven, seven Honus Wagner cards.

• 47:27Wes Larson?

  Worldwide, there's only been that many?

• 47:29Jeff Larson?

  China and stuff.

• 47:30Mike Smith?

  Fifty-nine documented otter attacks that have happened worldwide since 1875, according to, I should cite my source here, W E C T dot com.

• 47:38Wes Larson?

  Huh. Yeah, cuz I know those like, those Singaporean, or however you say that, those otters constantly chase people, but who knows how often they bite people? And then we, there's that woman in Butte, Montana, that got attacked like, pretty badly by river otters.

• 47:54Mike Smith?

  They can do damage.

• 47:56Wes Larson?

  Yeah, so, yeah, it's pretty crazy.

• 47:59Jeff Larson?

  Well, Mike, what do we always say?

• 48:02Jeff Larson?

  You otter, watch your back.

• 48:04Mike Smith?

  Shoot, you set me up for that one. That was an alley oop, I blew it.

• 48:08Wes Larson?

  Uh, they are, I mean, they are really cute and people see them as being these like, really playful, cute animals. But they're also top predators in their ecosystems, like on a, on a river, not much is scarier to, to like a fish than a river otter. I, yeah, I, they're impressive little animals and it doesn't surprise me that this happens from time to time.

• 48:31Mike Smith?

  I do like the image of her expecting to see a bear burst out of the bush and it's just an otter.

• 48:37Jeff Larson?

  She's like even more scary.

• 48:38Mike Smith?

  Which is still startling, but...

• 48:40Wes Larson?

  It sucks when you're expecting a bear and it ends up being an otter, right? Or is it nice?

• 48:47Mike Smith?

  It depends on what side of that fence you're on.

• 48:49Jeff Larson?

  You'd be mad.

• 48:50Mike Smith?

  In that community.

• 48:52Wes Larson?

  Yeah. They are cool little critters, though. I love otters.

• 48:56Jeff Larson?

  What about hippos?

• 48:58Wes Larson?

  I also love hippos.

• 49:00Jeff Larson?

  Wes, what are three major things to remember when dealing with a hungry, pregnant woman?

• 49:07Wes Larson?

  Uh, that...

• 49:10Wes Larson?

  Just do whatever you can to make her happy.

• 49:13Jeff Larson?

  Do whatever you can make her happy, okay?

• 49:16Wes Larson?

  Um.

• 49:17Jeff Larson?

  You can ask Mike for help.

• 49:19Wes Larson?

  Make sure it's not alcoholic is what one I would say.

• 49:22Jeff Larson?

  Okay.

• 49:23Wes Larson?

  Don't give her any alcohol. And uh, she's always right.

• 49:29Jeff Larson?

  Okay. Maybe give her a little distance if she needs it.

• 49:33Wes Larson?

  If she needs it, yeah.

• 49:35Jeff Larson?

  In India, on the night of March nineteenth, a twenty-seven-year-old pre-veterinarian um, named Samika Sha Reddy was va- or she was working at a zoo in her town and just like getting experience with lots of different types of animals. She was, she was apparently like her main assignment was a sun contour. Is that like the bird?

• 50:02Wes Larson?

  Yeah, that's like the type of bird mom and dad had, conure.

• 50:05Jeff Larson?

  Okay, yeah, and she is required to check conure. And she's required to check on it like every twelve hours. Um, but it seems to me like the zoo has been giving like pretty vague details to not like implicate themselves too because I don't see her doing these next things unless someone taught her how to do it and told her to do these things. But anyways, um, she was in there that night and she was using a thermal scan to monitor the temperature of a pregnant hippo and then also a tiger and a lion at the zoo, right? At the safari um, in Shiva Moga.

• 50:49Wes Larson?

  Yeah, those all three seem like animals that you shouldn't have like your new, you know,

• 50:55Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 50:55Wes Larson?

  like volunteer hire or working on, but yeah.

• 50:59Jeff Larson?

  According to zoo officials, though, she was not instructed to care for the hippo. So the pregnant wild hippo had not moved out of its pond in several days. It hadn't eaten in several days. And the zoo officials were speculating, maybe, the zoo officials speculated that maybe Samikasha was like not expecting the hippo to come out of this pond that it had been in in several days, right? So the young veterinarian got her driver to like lower a ladder down into this hippo enclosure. And she's climbing down the ladder to go like take its temperature.

• 51:39Jeff Larson?

  When the hippo comes out of the pond, super fast, knocks the ladder over, knocking her into the pond, and then starts attacking her. They were able to get her out and like rush her to the hospital, but like later that morning, she passed away from her injuries.

• 51:57Wes Larson?

  Wow.

• 51:57Mike Smith?

  Yeah.

• 51:58Jeff Larson?

  Yeah. So a super crazy incident, but also like kinda weird that she was there at night, like walking on the ladder into a wild hippo enclosure. It does seem to me like they probably did give her more responsibilities than they're letting on, but also like, I can't imagine its protocol to go into the hippo enclosure at night, so maybe she was doing some stuff she wasn't supposed to be doing as well.

• 52:31Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 52:32Jeff Larson?

  But yeah, the hippo like saw her walking down the ladder and pregnant female animals was?

• 52:41Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 52:41Jeff Larson?

  You can't predict.

• 52:44Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 52:44Jeff Larson?

  Humans too. Pregnant human, you, you can't predict how they're gonna act.

• 52:51Wes Larson?

  It's, it does a number on your hormones on everything.

• 52:54Jeff Larson?

  Yeah, so maybe they'll knock your ladder over. If I-

• 52:58Wes Larson?

  Careful with your ladders out there.

• 53:00Jeff Larson?

  That's what I'm saying. If you have a pregnant wife at home, be careful getting up on your roof.

• 53:06Wes Larson?

  Maybe sedate her first.

• 53:08Jeff Larson?

  Yeah.

• 53:09Wes Larson?

  Mike, what were you gonna say? Why do you think what?

• 53:12Mike Smith?

  This hippo, was it just a, uh, trying to keep herself and her unborn infant safe? Was it like a territorial thing or what?

• 53:20Wes Larson?

  They're just, yeah, territorial. They're just cranky animals. We've talked about them quite a bit, like they're defensive territorial animals. I can't think of anywhere in the world- Where it's in a real zoo where it's like standard practice to go into a hippo enclosure with the animal in the enclosure, you know? I think in anywhere you would have to have that animal in like a safe area to get a temperature or sedated to get a temperature. They're not an animal you can just go in and chill with unless it's like a pet like that one guys, but it still ended up killing him Humphrey or whatever.

• 53:57Mike Smith?

  Oh, yeah.

• 53:58Wes Larson?

  So, yeah, I wouldn't mess around with hippos.

• 54:00Mike Smith?

  That's what we're gonna say.

• 54:02Wes Larson?

  You usually have to like put a thermometer up their butt too.

• 54:06Wes Larson?

  Can't imagine they like that. Well, I can imagine actually, but I can't. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Uh, is it my turn or your turn, Mike? I forget.

• 54:18Mike Smith?

  So correction corner, there's 50 to 60 authentic Honus Wagner cards out there. So I was a little, I made them seem a little more rare than they actually are, but that's still pretty rare.

• 54:28Wes Larson?

  Yeah. Oh, speaking of correction corners, someone from the North American Bear Center wrote in because we were talking about Lynn Rogers in the last episode and they just wanted to make sure that, that we weren't giving the Bear Center a bad name. And I was trying to tread that line, but I don't know if I did. Lynn's, Lynn's work is controversial and I don't think anyone can argue that, but the North American Bear Center has put out a lot of incredible research. And now that like there's no hand feeding or anything there, they're doing some really good work. So I am a fan of the Bear Center and I often use their resources for bear facts too. So they are good. All right. Uh, I have two quick headlines.

• 55:09Jeff Larson?

  I have a correction corner too.

• 55:11Wes Larson?

  Okay, let's hear it.

• 55:13Jeff Larson?

  There are bugs in Europe.

• 55:15Mike Smith?

  Good call. Yeah, that's a good one.

• 55:18Wes Larson?

  All right.

• 55:19Mike Smith?

  Thanks for checking that out after the fact.

• 55:21Wes Larson?

  Yeah. Thanks for your hard hitting research. I have a couple of quick headlines from California as well. We got a coyote's bewylen. A four year old boy was knocked down and bitten by a coyote in Los Angeles. This month, it actually was caught on camera. This happened in early April. You can see the boy standing and the coyote comes up, bites him on the leg. He falls down and then it jumps on top of him. Luckily, people were watching and immediately responded and the coyote ran off. So he had, from what I understand, really minor injuries. But they think the same coyote was responsible for other incidents with people in the area. So they did euthanize that coyote.

• 56:03Jeff Larson?

  Drew a fake tunnel on a brick wall.

• 56:06Wes Larson?

  Yeah, they set up, exactly.

• 56:08Jeff Larson?

  And the cars were slamming into it.

• 56:10Wes Larson?

  Yeah, they painted a fake tunnel and it ran into it and.

• 56:14Jeff Larson?

  Did we talk about the coyote that went to Alcatraz?

• 56:19Wes Larson?

  I don't think so.

• 56:20Jeff Larson?

  Let's add that to you too, because that was in January, but coyote swam a mile and a half out to Alcatraz.

• 56:27Wes Larson?

  That's pretty crazy.

• 56:29Jeff Larson?

  There, it got there and is like super tired. But then there's like all these birds on the island because there's no predators there. And this coyote was like eating all the birds on the island for a month. Until wildlife officials decided to like move it off the island.

• 56:48Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 56:48Jeff Larson?

  Which was pretty controversial because it naturally went there itself. So then it's kind of like it earned it, you know?

• 56:55Wes Larson?

  I know.

• 56:56Jeff Larson?

  Yeah, so a lot of people are kind of like, why are we taking it off? It swam. It did, you know?

• 57:01Wes Larson?

  I think you leave that coyote, honestly. All right, I got one other headline.

• 57:06Mike Smith?

  I think that should be true in a verse too. If an inmate like Clint Eastwood swims from Alcatraz back to the shore, it's like, well, he kind of earned his freedom here, I think.

• 57:16Wes Larson?

  He naturally.

• 57:17Jeff Larson?

  Was.

• 57:17Wes Larson?

  Yeah, immigrated.

• 57:19Jeff Larson?

  You've listened to that Alcatraz case file story?

• 57:23Wes Larson?

  I did. I loved it.

• 57:24Jeff Larson?

  Do you know that they like say that no one ever escaped Alcatraz? That's like what most people think. I think those two guys escaped.

• 57:33Wes Larson?

  Yeah, they escaped, for sure.

• 57:35Jeff Larson?

  They went to Brazil and lived a great life.

• 57:37Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 57:38Mike Smith?

  Did you ever see that movie? Escape from Alcatraz? Oh my gosh.

• 57:41Wes Larson?

  Yeah, the rock.

• 57:42Jeff Larson?

  They Brazil maxed.

• 57:44Mike Smith?

  They're Brazil maxing still to this day, like Hitler.

• 57:46Wes Larson?

  In March, in March 18th.

• 57:49Jeff Larson?

  Argentina.

• 57:51Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 57:54Wes Larson?

  On March 18th, a 39 year old surfer was bitten by a shark near Medesino County. While surfing. He had some pretty serious injuries. Oh, no, I don't. I mean, he was out in the water on his surfboard. Yeah. And that's pretty much it. I don't know too much more about this one. It's just a headline. But I would say in this part of the world, Medesino is almost certainly a great white shark that bit this man. So. Yeah.

• 58:23Mike Smith?

  Okay.

• 58:23Jeff Larson?

  Would you rather take one bite from a great white or a rattlesnake?

• 58:28Wes Larson?

  Uh, a rattlesnake. How about you?

• 58:33Wes Larson?

  A rattlesnake, you're maybe getting it back. A great white, you're not.

• 58:37Mike Smith?

  I'll take the great white. I think it leaves a cooler scar. I want it like right on my shoulder, you know? Oh, man.

• 58:43Wes Larson?

  You just want to be missing a big chunk of your shoulder?

• 58:45Mike Smith?

  I'm not doing much. If it's my left shoulder.

• 58:47Wes Larson?

  I guess, you know, if it's, if it's an exploratory bite and it's just like biting and not ripping. Then sure, I'd probably pick it. But if it's like biting and tearing. Then I'd rather have.

• 58:59Jeff Larson?

  I'll take a rattlesnake.

• 59:00Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 59:00Jeff Larson?

  It's tough, though. I had to.

• 59:02Wes Larson?

  I kind of want to know what it feels like to get bit by a snake, you know?

• 59:06Jeff Larson?

  Yeah, the venom.

• 59:08Wes Larson?

  Yeah, but I don't actually. So. I'm done. That was, that was the end of mine. Yep.

• 59:14Mike Smith?

  I have a really quick one I wanted to get through just because I like the headline mostly. Um, so a half blind 12 year old dog in New Mexico, honey, the bear slayer we're calling her. So it's being hailed as the bear slayer because she stood up to a, a bear that was trying to break into the family chicken coop and like terrorize and probably presumably eat everything on their little farmstead. Uh, whatever, whatever they had going on down there.

• 59:38Wes Larson?

  Years old too, right?

• 59:39Mike Smith?

  12 years old, just like going blind, fiercely protective is how she was described, going like half blind is what the article said.

• 59:50Wes Larson?

  You know, dogs, how they often have like milky eyes and are kind of, yeah.

• 59:54Mike Smith?

  But it's funny because she was brave enough to stand up to this bear time and time again, fending off this bear. It kept coming back and the dog was like, no. Honey is the bear, uh, bear slayer's name, but she's still afraid of vacuums. So when you pull a vacuum out, she runs away scared.

• 1:00:10Wes Larson?

  She's lucky that bear didn't know her name, you know?

• 1:00:14Mike Smith?

  Right. I think, I think the reputation came after this incident, but I'm not totally sure. You're right, Wes.

• 1:00:22Wes Larson?

  No, just her name is Honey, Mike.

• 1:00:25Mike Smith?

  Oh, that's another one. Yeah. I think it tried, but it couldn't. Honey was too tough.

• 1:00:32Jeff Larson?

  You think it tried to eat the dog and couldn't?

• 1:00:35Mike Smith?

  If you look at the details of the story, like this dog was absolutely messed up and I won't get into the specifics, but like this bear really went to town on Honey and Honey, she's recovering. She's back home and doing well. Apparently, well, getting better.

• 1:00:48Jeff Larson?

  That's a good headline. This bear went to town on Honey.

• 1:00:51Mike Smith?

  That's right. That's what it should have been. Uh, that's it for me. Do you have any more, Jeff?

• 1:00:57Jeff Larson?

  That was a minute, 40 seconds. Pretty short.

• 1:01:00Mike Smith?

  Yeah, thanks.

• 1:01:03Mike Smith?

  I pride myself on efficiency. Brevity is the soul of wit, et cetera, et cetera.

• 1:01:07Jeff Larson?

  Yeah, I got some, some leopard stories. So there's almost 1.5 billion of something living in India. I won't tell you why just yet, but it's 18% of the world.

• 1:01:23Jeff Larson?

  And then there's 13, 874 of something living in India, which is 10% of their population. 13,874. So just hearing those numbers, which would you say it'd be more significant if one of them died?

• 1:01:44Mike Smith?

  Uh, the, the 13,000.

• 1:01:47Jeff Larson?

  Right. So that's the leopards and the other ones, humans.

• 1:01:52Mike Smith?

  Oh, man, I had no idea.

• 1:01:54Jeff Larson?

  As Wes said, the leopards, the leopards' lives in India are more important than the humans.

• 1:02:00Mike Smith?

  That's not true. Um, I did not say that.

• 1:02:05Jeff Larson?

  So, uh, a leopard killed a 48-year-old in a place called Uttarakhand, but also an industrial student killed a leopard in a place called Arki.

• 1:02:22Jeff Larson?

  So on March 9th, Prakash Lal was walking home from another day of work as a longtime mason, right? He'd been a mason his whole life and he's walking home. And Parakash was undoubtedly wary of leopards, considering 14 deaths from a leopard occurred in Uttarakhand region in then two month span in 2024. So like

• 1:02:49Wes Larson?

  It's pretty crazy.

• 1:02:50Jeff Larson?

  A bunch of people had been killed in 2024. I'm sure this whole region is just wary of leopards, right? Like, they know they're out there. But also, it's a walk he's been doing between villages his whole life. But leopards are masters at blending into their surroundings. And unbeknownst to Parakash, there was a camouflage leopard waiting on his familiar route home.

• 1:03:17Jeff Larson?

  So the leopard attack happened late in the evening near Himala Village, where the leopard ambushed the 48-year-old worker and then dragged him 50 meters into the nearby bushes. When the body was recovered on the following morning, forest officials reached the village and angry residents encircled the forest workers until they were like guaranteed that this leopard would be put to death.

• 1:03:45Wes Larson?

  Really?

• 1:03:45Jeff Larson?

  So they wouldn't let these forest workers leave. They encircled them and made them like promise to get the leopard responsible.

• 1:03:52Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:53Jeff Larson?

  All right, and then one other story. This was in Himachal. So at 7:00 AM, a young adult named Pravish Sharma was crossing his fields to fetch a little bit of milk, as one does, right? And he may have also been wary as there'd been a few recent sightings of a leopard in Arki Village where he lives. The locals had even notified the forest service of a leopard that chased a man on a scooter at the start of the week.

• 1:04:27Jeff Larson?

  Pravish was ambushed by a one-year-old female leopard as he is walking for his milk.

• 1:04:33Wes Larson?

  Probably ate some spaghetti.

• 1:04:36Jeff Larson?

  Then he will, what, the leopard?

• 1:04:39Wes Larson?

  No.

• 1:04:40Jeff Larson?

  Oh, Pravish, because I was gonna say, the leopard would have waited till he got the milk then.

• 1:04:45Wes Larson?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:04:47Jeff Larson?

  So this is a pretty small leopard, still one-year-old female, right? And Pravish, from his picture, he looked like a pretty strong young kid, right? Probably around twenty years old, it didn't say for sure. But he's able to protect himself from the leopard's mouth while taking scratches from the claws for twelve minutes. So they were like wrestling in the grass for twelve minutes. He's protecting himself pretty well, but he's getting scratched up by the claws, right? Little tooth and claw action, Wes?

• 1:05:19Wes Larson?

  Yeah. Twelve. We finally did it.

• 1:05:23Jeff Larson?

  After twelve minutes of exhausting struggle, Wes, you wrestled.

• 1:05:28Wes Larson?

  Yeah, six minutes of wrestling is hard. And that's what the human-

• 1:05:32Jeff Larson?

  Five-minute rounds is what you're supposed to do.

• 1:05:34Wes Larson?

  No, it was two, it was three two-minute rounds.

• 1:05:37Jeff Larson?

  Oh, you're right. I take that back.

• 1:05:40Wes Larson?

  So, yeah, twelve minutes with a, with a wildcat.

• 1:05:43Jeff Larson?

  I don't think they took breaks.

• 1:05:46Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:47Jeff Larson?

  Maybe. Didn't say.

• 1:05:48Wes Larson?

  I bet he took some little breaks to give it a little kisses and some little pets.

• 1:05:53Jeff Larson?

  Yeah, but after twelve minutes, Pravish was able to grab the cat's jaws and then crush its neck.

• 1:06:01Wes Larson?

  Wow.

• 1:06:02Jeff Larson?

  And kill it.

• 1:06:02Wes Larson?

  What?

• 1:06:03Jeff Larson?

  So he was able to kill this leopard with his bare hands.

• 1:06:06Wes Larson?

  Dude.

• 1:06:07Jeff Larson?

  Maybe like a little bit of knee action, too.

• 1:06:10Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:06:10Jeff Larson?

  You can say bare hands.

• 1:06:12Wes Larson?

  He should have not waited twelve minutes to do that. It's probably worth all the scars and everything to be able to tell people.

• 1:06:20Jeff Larson?

  Yeah, you want a couple scars.

• 1:06:22Wes Larson?

  With, yeah, with bare hands.

• 1:06:23Jeff Larson?

  He had one cool, like, Luffy-like scar under his eye.

• 1:06:27Wes Larson?

  No way. Oh, you want that?

• 1:06:29Jeff Larson?

  And it's like-

• 1:06:30Wes Larson?

  That's sweet.

• 1:06:31Jeff Larson?

  Like, it wasn't enough to, like, deform him, but as like a cool slash. So like, people are gonna ask him about it, type of thing. And he's kind of already like a hero in his village and at his school where he's going to school, like, people are just like, this guy.

• 1:06:48Wes Larson?

  Yeah, I mean, if a one year old female leopard is already attacking people, there's a very good chance that leopard would continue that behavior growing up, so.

• 1:06:58Jeff Larson?

  The Forest Service was saying, unfortunately, you know, 1.5 billion people, kind of a lot of people, so the leopards are getting encroached in that area. And they just think it's probably a pretty desperate leopard to have like gone into town and attacked a person.

• 1:07:19Jeff Larson?

  But, yeah, I mean, from what I saw, from 2020 to 2024, India's population of leopards has gone up by 8%. So they're doing pretty good with leopards, you know?

• 1:07:35Wes Larson?

  And tigers.

• 1:07:36Jeff Larson?

  It's something, I leave it to Wes because, you know, he has a take on everything. He has a stance on everything.

• 1:07:44Wes Larson?

  Except for ramen.

• 1:07:45Jeff Larson?

  Except for ramen, top ramen, just top ramen. You have a stance on ramen.

• 1:07:51Wes Larson?

  I have a stance on ramen. I like it.

• 1:07:53Jeff Larson?

  But you, what do you say?

• 1:07:57Wes Larson?

  Human life is more important than animals.

• 1:07:59Jeff Larson?

  Leopards should be able to kill people.

• 1:08:02Wes Larson?

  I don't disagree with that, but I do think that that humans are more important than animals. But I do think the animals have the right to like totally exist and continue existing and and have good lives. And we need to protect that. So I don't think that we're more important than their existence. But I think people's lives are more important than an individual animal's life.

• 1:08:29Jeff Larson?

  And I'll say, we, we haven't traveled to like a town in India or like Kenya or Zimbabwe where people, there are people in those towns where like their lives, every day, they live in danger of wildlife.

• 1:08:46Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:46Jeff Larson?

  But we have traveled to all those countries. And for my experience, most all the locals really love their wildlife, which is cool. And I'll say like, I went into like a India news Instagram.

• 1:09:03Jeff Larson?

  And scrolled to see if I could find any more details on the story of the forty-eight-year-old guy who was killed. And turns out they didn't have any more information, but as I was scrolling forever through all their posts, uh, there's like a bunch of different leopard posts. I even sent one to Wes of a black panther with a leopard in one of the national parks. And it's just showing me that like, people like leopards there. Like, the news puts out leopards. There's one saved out of the well. Like, people like seeing leopards and like, I think that's, you know, I wanna do, I'm, I think I'm gonna write a blog, Wes.

• 1:09:40Wes Larson?

  Okay.

• 1:09:42Jeff Larson?

  And it's gonna be about if jaguars or leopards are better.

• 1:09:46Wes Larson?

  Okay.

• 1:09:47Jeff Larson?

  And I'm really conflicted.

• 1:09:50Wes Larson?

  Okay. I, if, is there any animal out there that if it was like attacking a person right in front of you? And you have the button, if you hit that button, the animal dies and the person lives, that you wouldn't hit that button?

• 1:10:03Jeff Larson?

  Like for your bear collars?

• 1:10:05Wes Larson?

  No.

• 1:10:06Jeff Larson?

  Where you blow their heads off?

• 1:10:08Wes Larson?

  Not that.

• 1:10:11Wes Larson?

  Like, is there any time that you wouldn't save the person? No.

• 1:10:16Mike Smith?

  I can't imagine there would be.

• 1:10:18Wes Larson?

  No, like even if it's a giant panda or like, one of these animals where there's hardly any left, I'm still hitting that button.

• 1:10:24Mike Smith?

  If it was Noel and I'm not hitting that button.

• 1:10:27Wes Larson?

  There's definitely people I wouldn't save.

• 1:10:29Jeff Larson?

  What if a leopard was just minding its own business and a human started choking the leopard to death? Would you push the button to kill the human?

• 1:10:38Wes Larson?

  Uh, maybe. I don't know. That's a good question.

• 1:10:44Mike Smith?

  Would you, Jeff?

• 1:10:45Wes Larson?

  Probably depends on the human again.

• 1:10:46Jeff Larson?

  I think so.

• 1:10:48Mike Smith?

  You'd kill the human?

• 1:10:49Jeff Larson?

  I think I would be as likely to kill the human as I would the leopard.

• 1:10:53Wes Larson?

  Hmm, okay. What if there's just a button and you hit it and some unknown person out there is gonna die and you get a hundred million dollars? Would you push that button?

• 1:11:03Jeff Larson?

  I'd push it for free.

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• 1:14:52Mike Smith?

  All right, should we go to our categories? Let's go.

• 1:14:55Jeff Larson?

  Uh, yeah.

• 1:14:56Mike Smith?

  Okay. I've got them all written down here.

• 1:15:00Jeff Larson?

  Okay.

• 1:15:01Mike Smith?

  This one's from Jeff. A pop culture instance of someone falling off of a ladder. Ooh, this one's from Jeff, huh? Yeah. Cause he told that hippo story.

• 1:15:13Jeff Larson?

  Are you doing both ladders?

• 1:15:14Mike Smith?

  I didn't do the ladder one, yeah.

• 1:15:16Jeff Larson?

  Okay, I'm gonna do that as mine. So I had favorite pop culture ladder or instance of someone falling off.

• 1:15:24Mike Smith?

  Okay, you can do either or. My favorite fall from a ladder was a recent one that I'd thought of, and I don't know if this is actually my favorite, but it's a memorable one from recently. Did either of you see that movie Fall from 2022?

• 1:15:39Wes Larson?

  No.

• 1:15:40Jeff Larson?

  I was one of those things where someone was watching it on the plane and I was more interested in their movie than mine.

• 1:15:46Wes Larson?

  It's it's this. This genre of movie that just really is right up my alley where it's like. A horror movie where people are stuck in a really bad circumstance that's like almost unimaginable. Like there's this movie called Frozen, not the Disney one, where there's these three friends that are stuck on a chairlift. I love. I love stuff like that. Yeah. So this one is about two friends. They're climbing this big tower. It's like, just like a radio tower out in the middle of nowhere. And to do like a tribute to their dead boyfriend or whatever. And once they get up there, one of the girls is climbing this old rusty ladder. And they're almost to the top and the ladder breaks as she's on it.

• 1:16:30Wes Larson?

  And the other friend, they're tied to each other. The other friend managed to grab her and pull her up. But then they have no way down. And that's what the whole movie is about. And it's really. Just one of those movies that had me hooked the entire time. I really liked it. Has a fun twist. It's not like. We're not talking like really prime steak here, but it is a really tasty hamburger of a movie. So, yeah.

• 1:16:54Jeff Larson?

  Steaks from America. Hamburger, I don't know.

• 1:16:58Wes Larson?

  Okay.

• 1:17:00Wes Larson?

  Steak is from America? I just don't know about any of this.

• 1:17:07Wes Larson?

  Uh, Jeff, Jeff, go.

• 1:17:11Jeff Larson?

  Mine is, I don't even remember the movie, but it's one of the older Jackie Chan movies. I think it's like no more Mr. Nice Guy or Mr. Nobody. First Strike. Okay.

• 1:17:22Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:23Jeff Larson?

  Where there's like a whole scene of him with like a ladder where he like spins it around his neck. He punches someone through it. He like climbs it to punch someone.

• 1:17:33Wes Larson?

  He's wearing the sickest jumpsuit too when he's doing the yellow one.

• 1:17:36Jeff Larson?

  So many things that like. It just goes so much longer than you could ever imagine a ladder skit going for and it just keeps like coming up with ways to like hurt people at the ladder. And then like the bloopers are almost like better than the movie because it shows people actually getting hit by the ladder and him hitting himself and like.

• 1:17:58Wes Larson?

  Prime Jackie Chan is is like unbeatable. Even even like later Jackie Chan like you guys remember in Shanghai Noon? Where he has that rope and he's just with the like horseshoe tied to it. It's so crazy when you think about that that that was all him actually doing that.

• 1:18:15Jeff Larson?

  I saw an interesting thing on it too where like American movies, he still does like a lot of cool stuff within like our American movies. But like they don't know how to use him, right? Where they do too many cuts, you know, like they cut from the action too much. And like he's really just like a keep the camera rolling type of performer.

• 1:18:38Wes Larson?

  For sure. That's a good pick though. I like that.

• 1:18:41Mike Smith?

  I like at the very end of the scene, he flips the ladder like very suavely back around underneath him and then just sits on it and waits for all the rest of the bad guys to show up.

• 1:18:50Wes Larson?

  It's so cool.

• 1:18:51Mike Smith?

  I love, I gotta watch that movie again.

• 1:18:53Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:54Mike Smith?

  I'm going with uh the very end sequence of It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World. Where they're all on the fire escape trying to get off and they pile up onto the fire escape ladder uh from the fire truck. It starts like swinging around. And it flings them all off into like different, one gay guy gets like slung into a cake. Some of them get slung into.

• 1:19:14Wes Larson?

  Yeah, that's what I heard too.

• 1:19:17Wes Larson?

  You stuttered. You stuttered. You went one gay guy and it sounded like gay guy.

• 1:19:22Mike Smith?

  I that's not what I meant. I don't think he was.

• 1:19:24Jeff Larson?

  Is he gay?

• 1:19:26Mike Smith?

  Not from what I, it wasn't a plot point. Could have been though. I was reading the Criterion Collection booklet for E2 Mama Tambian and it has like a whole history of the two, three main characters, but it goes into all these details that um Quarone came up with for the characters. They don't really have anything to do with the movie when you're watching it. But you know, you like knowing those details. So maybe this guy in Mad World, he was gay and that would inform the character a little bit.

• 1:19:52Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:52Jeff Larson?

  I completely forgot about escape ladders. There's so many those in movies.

• 1:19:57Wes Larson?

  People sliding down on them.

• 1:19:59Jeff Larson?

  Another Rush Hour where Chris Tucker can't grab the like where Jackie Chan runs up the wall grabs the escape ladder and then Chris Tucker can't.

• 1:20:10Wes Larson?

  Is that your favorite movie, Mike? Not Rush Hour, it's a Mad Mad Mad World. It's it's in my top. I think I'd put it at five when I was putting together my hundred favorites.

• 1:20:20Jeff Larson?

  His favorite movie is The Matrix. They have an escape ladder.

• 1:20:23Wes Larson?

  I knew that. All right. Next category is. Oh yeah, this is another one from Jeff, and I wrote it down wrong, so I'm gonna read it the way you said it. Something that Mike, Wes, or Jeff ruined for you, but you used to like it.

• 1:20:39Jeff Larson?

  I can start with this.

• 1:20:40Wes Larson?

  Something that one of us ruined, yeah.

• 1:20:43Jeff Larson?

  Mike has ruined for me Tom Hanks, just by pointing out that he's not that good of an actor. He's overrated. And I just can't not think that now. And I think he's kind of a bad actor now.

• 1:20:59Wes Larson?

  You might have taken that farther than me then.

• 1:21:01Jeff Larson?

  Reese's?

• 1:21:02Wes Larson?

  I was thinking about saying Reese's too, yeah.

• 1:21:05Jeff Larson?

  I think, well, it's been proven and I actually. Me, Mike and Wes have talked about Reese's, but like I feel like I said, like they changed the ingredients. But Mike was the first one to point out that like Reese's was gross to him, but you thought it was because of COVID. Turns out they just made it gross.

• 1:21:25Wes Larson?

  I'm excited for the new recipe or the old recipe to come back because I might like him again. Me too.

• 1:21:30Jeff Larson?

  And this one, I don't know if it's completely fair, but I do think you did over time kind of ruin it for me. It's just like loud parties, just by like you not liking them. I kind of like started to realize like, yeah, this isn't that fun. I'm just pretending to have fun.

• 1:21:51Wes Larson?

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:21:53Jeff Larson?

  And then for Wes. Uh, I have any movie where we're at a movie theater and there's a noise from an audience member that I haven't noticed yet. You've ruined all those movies by telling me about the person chewing gum behind us or something. Yeah. Seafood, you've ruined pretty good for me.

• 1:22:14Wes Larson?

  Oh, that's a good one.

• 1:22:15Jeff Larson?

  Like even when I do enjoy it, I feel bad. And then I put the idea of ranchers being cool.

• 1:22:22Wes Larson?

  Okay.

• 1:22:23Jeff Larson?

  I think like, like the show Yellowstone, you ruined it for me before it would start.

• 1:22:27Wes Larson?

  Yeah, that's different though. I like real ranchers, but I don't, yeah.

• 1:22:31Jeff Larson?

  Do you?

• 1:22:32Wes Larson?

  Some, the ones that are doing it like sustainably and ethically. Yeah.

• 1:22:37Jeff Larson?

  Uh, let's see then.

• 1:22:39Wes Larson?

  You don't need to think of anymore.

• 1:22:40Jeff Larson?

  Like I kinda wanted to just put like.

• 1:22:41Wes Larson?

  You've got a lot here.

• 1:22:42Jeff Larson?

  The world.

• 1:22:43Wes Larson?

  Okay.

• 1:22:44Jeff Larson?

  Just because it's like global warming, you know?

• 1:22:47Wes Larson?

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:22:49Jeff Larson?

  But like me doing anything.

• 1:22:52Wes Larson?

  I didn't realize I was supposed to pick multiple.

• 1:22:54Jeff Larson?

  It's bad for the world.

• 1:22:55Wes Larson?

  Multiple things for both of you. Okay. I just picked one and it's a little bit surface level. Um, cause I was having a hard time thinking of them. You guys ruined Super Smash Brothers for me because at the cube, when you guys lived in the house that you called the cube, uh, we were pretty equally matched and I was like a little bit worse than you. I was worse, but I, but I could compete and anymore I can't. Like when we play Super Smash Brothers even for a little bit, I just get my ass handed to me like immediately, especially by Mike, but also by Jeff. So I just don't even like playing it with you anymore.

• 1:23:34Mike Smith?

  Jeff and I were pretty equally matched, which surprised me.

• 1:23:37Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:37Mike Smith?

  Cause I've kinda prided myself on being pretty good.

• 1:23:41Wes Larson?

  I could hang.

• 1:23:42Mike Smith?

  He's a natural talent.

• 1:23:43Jeff Larson?

  I need items.

• 1:23:44Wes Larson?

  The good money was on both of you, but I could hang back then and now I can't even hang. So it's not fun anymore.

• 1:23:50Jeff Larson?

  Mike got really into like fighting without items and I couldn't win that way.

• 1:23:56Mike Smith?

  The items really introduces, that is the great equalizer. You're right, Wes. You actually, when we had items on, it was like really a toss up who would win. Okay.

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• 1:25:06Mike Smith?

  I'm gonna go with generally game night. I think you guys, the Larson's writ large have kind of ruined it for me. I've never, I've always kind of had fun when we just sit down and have a fun family time playing whatever cards. But when I started playing with you guys, and competition really started being like a thing, like you guys want to win. And that's like, I think that's actually right. That's the point of games is to win them. But like, that was never my attitude towards them. And then there's all these rules I have to keep track of. And like, everything gets enforced and like, energy levels get a little high for me. And I'm just like, I think I'm actually good on Uno.

• 1:25:45Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:45Mike Smith?

  So I'm, I'm not saying you guys are wrong to do it, but it's just not my speed, how you guys?

• 1:25:50Wes Larson?

  It ruins a lot of game nights for me, too. Because if that tempo and energy isn't there, then I'm not having fun. Like, I need them to be competitive, or else it's kind of like, this isn't fun for me.

• 1:26:01Mike Smith?

  That's the thing is, it's like unfair to the people I play with, because I don't care. And it feels like if there's one rogue agent who's just kind of like there, not, it messes the game up for the rest of the people.

• 1:26:12Jeff Larson?

  But what about all the jokes?

• 1:26:14Wes Larson?

  Yeah, the jokes are fun.

• 1:26:15Jeff Larson?

  We say.

• 1:26:16Wes Larson?

  The laughs, Mike.

• 1:26:18Jeff Larson?

  What about the laughs?

• 1:26:19Mike Smith?

  I can live without them. All right, next one, just a quick one for you guys, for all three of us. It's kind of a category I just made up. Yay or nay?

• 1:26:30Mike Smith?

  Adult arcade restaurants?

• 1:26:33Wes Larson?

  So I'm talking like Dave and Buster's here.

• 1:26:36Mike Smith?

  I'll say yay with depending on the group. I don't like going to places like that with strangers. Well, if it's my first time meeting someone, I'd I'd have a hard time functioning very well.

• 1:26:45Wes Larson?

  Mike, my counterpoint to what you just said is that at Dave and Buster's, if I'm like sitting with strangers, I feel like I have to make small talk in a normal restaurant. But at Dave and Buster's, as soon as I order my food, I can just get up and go play video games. And that's why I like them because I actually, I don't love restaurants because I don't like all the dead time of like waiting on food and waiting for the bill and everything. I that gives me a weird kind of anxiety. And that's why I like arcade ones is that is killed by going to go have fun playing arcade games. So for me, it's perfect for strangers.

• 1:27:22Jeff Larson?

  Well, I think it kind of leads into Mike's whole problem with game night, too. He just can't get competitive over things he deems meaningless. And like for us, it's like pop a shot. Like if you beat me up, pop a shot, I'll be pissed and I gotta play until I beat you, you know?

• 1:27:45Mike Smith?

  But it's fun. Yeah, exactly. $50 bets happening and I'm just like, oh my gosh, I can't, I can't keep up.

• 1:27:51Wes Larson?

  Yeah. All right. So it's a yay for both of us. Jeff, yay or nay?

• 1:27:56Jeff Larson?

  I love Dave and Buster's.

• 1:27:57Wes Larson?

  All right. Yay for Jeff.

• 1:27:59Jeff Larson?

  I'd live there.

• 1:28:00Wes Larson?

  Okay, a quick, another quick category. I want to hear a hot take. Give me a hot take.

• 1:28:08Mike Smith?

  Okay, I'm going to say people who use intermissions during long movies as a stopping point to stop watching it for the night and maybe come back the next day. You're weak. You're weak. Your bloodline is weak. You will not procreate successfully. These movies are meant, they're 10 minute long intermissions for reason, not 24 hour long intermissions. Buck up if you're not ready to sit through a four hour Lawrence of Arabia, maybe you're just a. It's not for you. Yeah.

• 1:28:38Wes Larson?

  You're not allowed.

• 1:28:39Mike Smith?

  Level up a little bit.

• 1:28:40Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:42Mike Smith?

  No, I just, it bothers me just generally when people like find stopping points, even in like shorter, especially in shorter movies. If it's like an hour and 40 minute long movie and it's like, I can't, I can't do this. It's like, come on. This movie is meant to be consumed here and now in one sitting.

• 1:28:58Wes Larson?

  I fall asleep a lot. It's my problem. I fall asleep and then I have to watch in multiple sittings. But yeah, I, I get that. You want to preserve what the director had in mind. That's a good hot take. Jeff, what's yours?

• 1:29:11Jeff Larson?

  I have a few.

• 1:29:13Wes Larson?

  All right.

• 1:29:14Jeff Larson?

  So I think celebrities shouldn't be nice to paparazzi or fans who approach them at inappropriate places. Like to me, when I hear a celebrity is a jerk, I kind of think like that's a normal person. You know?

• 1:29:31Wes Larson?

  Sure.

• 1:29:32Jeff Larson?

  Unless like they're doing really bad stuff. But like, I remember someone was turned off by Keanu Reeves because he didn't want to talk to him that much when he met him. And it's kind of like, yeah, that's fine with me. Like, it's weird that celebrities are nice to every single person interrupting their dinners. You know?

• 1:29:51Wes Larson?

  So when that guy grabs Shia LaBeouf's leg, you think Shia did the right thing? At Mardi Gras?

• 1:29:57Jeff Larson?

  Square up.

• 1:29:58Wes Larson?

  Square up.

• 1:29:59Jeff Larson?

  He's scared.

• 1:30:00Wes Larson?

  Right. You can't blame him for that. He was scared.

• 1:30:04Jeff Larson?

  I think ESPN ruined sports media. Um, I was thinking about like another hot take. I don't think Allen Iverson's practice rant is funny at all. Like, I just don't think it's funny. And ESPN has joked about it for the last 20 years.

• 1:30:21Wes Larson?

  Yeah, they think it's like the funniest thing ever.

• 1:30:23Jeff Larson?

  Yeah. And like, it made it so like, everyone has to be like Marshawn Lynch or Kawhi Leonard. Like, you can't say anything or else it's talked about the next

• 1:30:34Wes Larson?

  Into a blip.

• 1:30:35Jeff Larson?

  Two weeks, you know? And it's just like, they've taken all the fun out of any interviews. It by like, if anyone says anything remotely interesting, it turns into the biggest story ever.

• 1:30:50Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:30:51Jeff Larson?

  Will Smith slap, not that big of a deal. Let him be in movies.

• 1:30:55Wes Larson?

  Pretty cool, honestly.

• 1:30:58Jeff Larson?

  Timothy Chalamet's comments about opera and ballet, I don't care. Like, you know, that's just how he felt. And my last one is, I think I'm to the point I completely agree with Thanos.

• 1:31:14Mike Smith?

  What do you mean by that? You want half the population of the universe to be gone? Is that like you?

• 1:31:18Jeff Larson?

  If he could randomly do it, I think it's.

• 1:31:20Wes Larson?

  Did he kill animals too? Like critters?

• 1:31:24Jeff Larson?

  I think so. That's wrong. You're right.

• 1:31:26Wes Larson?

  Yeah, I wish that.

• 1:31:27Jeff Larson?

  You got it.

• 1:31:28Wes Larson?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:31:28Mike Smith?

  Okay. Or maybe rethink that one a little bit and come back next time.

• 1:31:32Jeff Larson?

  We gotta go back to drawing board with Thanos.

• 1:31:34Wes Larson?

  Alright. My hot take is seaweed's bad. It's bad in everything. It's never good. It never adds to anything. It tastes like low tide. It tastes like you are, you're going out and licking algae off of rocks. It is not good and people convince themselves that it is. That's my hot take.

• 1:31:56Mike Smith?

  Only got one thing to say to that, Wes.

• 1:31:59Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:00Mike Smith?

  Bruh.

• 1:32:02Wes Larson?

  Alright, accepted.

• 1:32:04Mike Smith?

  You don't like those little like snack packs with like salty seaweed?

• 1:32:07Wes Larson?

  Oh, they're so good. It is never like, I don't, I can't tell you how many times I've thought, you know, I think I'm gonna try it again. I'm gonna like it this time. Cause I really want to like seaweed because I know it's like a fancier, not fancy, but a more refined thing to like. And I think so.

• 1:32:27Mike Smith?

  Culturally.

• 1:32:28Wes Larson?

  Yeah, like, you know, and I do think I'm a adventurous eater, so I always wanna try those things. I just don't like it. I, it always is bad to me.

• 1:32:38Jeff Larson?

  You think that's like a unpopular opinion though? Like, do you think most people like seaweed?

• 1:32:44Wes Larson?

  I don't know about most people, but I think. A lot of people.

• 1:32:48Jeff Larson?

  I'm just questioning how hot that is. To me, I don't know.

• 1:32:53Wes Larson?

  I think it's a hot take.

• 1:32:54Jeff Larson?

  Really?

• 1:32:55Wes Larson?

  When I tell people I don't like seaweed, I always get like a what? You don't like seaweed? And it's like, no. It's like come up a lot. Seaweed, yeah. Anyway, it does, because I, when I go get ramen or whatever, I always say no seaweed. And then people say, oh, you don't want seaweed? Anyway, alright. Bruh. Okay, Jeff, do you have a couple listener questions for us?

• 1:33:15Jeff Larson?

  Wait, what's Mike's hot take?

• 1:33:17Wes Larson?

  Didn't he do it?

• 1:33:18Mike Smith?

  Oh, I did it.

• 1:33:19Wes Larson?

  No.

• 1:33:19Mike Smith?

  Yeah. Watch your movies, people.

• 1:33:21Jeff Larson?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:33:21Mike Smith?

  Sit down and watch the movie.

• 1:33:23Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:24Mike Smith?

  Sit there.

• 1:33:25Jeff Larson?

  The Thanos one was hot.

• 1:33:27Wes Larson?

  Yeah, that's hot.

• 1:33:28Mike Smith?

  But you don't even agree with it anymore.

• 1:33:30Jeff Larson?

  The animal part, yeah.

• 1:33:32Wes Larson?

  Alright, so how about a non-animal news story from the last little bit that you want to talk about?

• 1:33:39Jeff Larson?

  Well, Taylor Frankie Paul, they canceled her season of The Bachelor because Dakota leaked a video of her throwing a stool at him to TMZ. So then now Jesse's getting divorced with Jordan and Jordan went real extra talking about how Demi wasn't filming anymore. But then, uh, Jesse right away, she's like, oh yeah, there's nothing happened with me and, um, Marciano, and now she's dating Marciano and she kissed Chase?

• 1:34:14Wes Larson?

  Wow. Alright.

• 1:34:16Mike Smith?

  Can't believe it.

• 1:34:18Wes Larson?

  I thought you were gonna do Tiger Woods, but I'm glad you did that. Mike, what's your?

• 1:34:23Jeff Larson?

  That's an animal story.

• 1:34:24Wes Larson?

  Non-animal.

• 1:34:26Jeff Larson?

  Tiger. I was just on the phone with the president.

• 1:34:33Wes Larson?

  Those photos are the best photos ever of anyone. Alright, Mike, what's your non-animal news story of recent?

• 1:34:40Mike Smith?

  I'm gonna go, I'm gonna go with Gucci Mane getting kidnapped and robbed by Poo Shisty in Dallas. That's pretty crazy. Just two rappers.

• 1:34:48Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:49Mike Smith?

  Yeah, Poo Shisty on the come up and then he did time and now he's gonna probably do way more time because they kept posting stuff that they stole from Gucci Mane on Instagram. They're like flexing his watches and stuff and it's like, are you guys literally just? Uh, anyway, Gucci Mane getting kidnapped is like a what the hell is going on kind of thing? Especially out of a studio. That's so crazy to me that that happened.

• 1:35:10Wes Larson?

  I didn't know it happened until just now. Uh, did you guys hear about the Afro Man news?

• 1:35:15Mike Smith?

  Of course.

• 1:35:17Jeff Larson?

  Someone.

• 1:35:18Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:18Jeff Larson?

  I know he like videoed the cops and the cops are mad about it.

• 1:35:22Wes Larson?

  I used to love the song because I got high. I listened to it quite a bit, actually.

• 1:35:29Wes Larson?

  So I always had a fondness for Afro Man.

• 1:35:31Mike Smith?

  That song gets pretty dark by the end. He's like really, his whole life is in shambles.

• 1:35:35Wes Larson?

  I was like 23 when I liked it, though. He's a funny guy, though, and not too long ago, the police raided his house. They had a warrant to look for certain things, but they did much more than they were allowed to with their warrant. And were just really disrespectful to him. And he managed to catch a lot of video of them raiding his home while this, you know, while they were doing their thing. And has since gone on to make multiple songs, calling out these police by name, insulting their partners. You know, making fun of their appearance, doing all this stuff.

• 1:36:14Mike Smith?

  Lemon pound cake.

• 1:36:15Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:15Mike Smith?

  Oh, it's so funny.

• 1:36:16Wes Larson?

  Uh, and just harassing them to the point where the police brought up a suit against Afro Man and took him to court. For like libel or harassment or whatever. And he won. And it was just like, he came to court dressed in this big American flag suit and just looked so funny. And a lot of the clips from it are hilarious and just one of the funnier stories I've read and watched in a while. So it was really good.

• 1:36:43Jeff Larson?

  There's one where they were like playing his song as like evidence against him, you know? And he's just like dancing.

• 1:36:51Mike Smith?

  Rocking out to it.

• 1:36:52Wes Larson?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:54Wes Larson?

  It's so funny.

• 1:36:55Mike Smith?

  Love that guy.

• 1:36:56Wes Larson?

  All right. Well, I think that wraps it up for the week.

• 1:37:00Wes Larson?

  Good news stories. Thank you to our listeners for sending them to us. As always, it really helps us kind of know what people want to hear us talk about. So we really appreciate that. And we got some fun stories coming up. Yeah. You guys got anything else?

• 1:37:16Jeff Larson?

  Oh, you want a Jeff random animal fact?

• 1:37:18Wes Larson?

  Sure.

• 1:37:19Mike Smith?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:20Jeff Larson?

  I don't have one prepped.

• 1:37:22Wes Larson?

  Alright, well then, no, I guess.

• 1:37:24Mike Smith?

  We'll dispense with it then.

• 1:37:25Jeff Larson?

  I don't think trout can swim backwards.

• 1:37:29Wes Larson?

  I don't know.

• 1:37:30Jeff Larson?

  Think they gotta turn around.

• 1:37:32Wes Larson?

  Take that one with a grain of salt, all you listeners out there. And we will see you soon. Love you.

• 1:37:39Jeff Larson?

  Love you.