#357 - Duncan Trussell: I Went to the World’s Largest Antichrist Convention

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones Duncan Trussell is a comedian, writer & host of the @duncantrussellfamilyhour podcast. He also has an animated show on Netflix called “The Midnight Gospel”. Duncan and Danny discuss satan, artificial intelligence, Christianity, Jesus Christ, psychedelics and much more. SPONSORS https://hellofresh.com/danny10fm - Get 10 free meals + a FREE zwilling Knife on your 3rd box. https://www.amentara.com/go/dj - Use code DJ22 for 22% off your first order. https://www.ridge.com/dannyjones - Get up to 47% off on Ridge’s biggest sale of the Year. https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off EPISODE LINKS @duncantrussellfamilyhour https://www.duncantrussell.com FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Preforming at Anton LaVey's satanist wedding 05:47 - Absinthe & Marilyn Manson 12:11 - Dark ages of podcasting 20:53 - Greed 22:54 - Technological singularity 28:41 - Duncan went to Peter Thiel's anti-christ convention 44:44 - AI is a demon that will bring the apocalypse 51:18 - Aleister Crowley & magic spells 57:18 - Christ consciousness 01:06:56 - Link between psychedelics & religion 01:13:59 - The hidden stories of Jesus 01:23:45 - Why they faked the moon landing footage 01:37:37 - How war erases humans' morals 01:44:42 - What a modern apocalypse actually looks like 01:54:43 - Why to delete your social media RIGHT NOW 01:59:09 - Are we in a simulation? 02:01:49 - DMT laser experiment code 02:08:58 - Secret to happiness in 2026 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:01Speaker 00

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• 1:07Speaker 02

  Are you a Satanist?

• 1:08Danny Jones?

  No, not a Satanist.

• 1:10Speaker 02

  That's what all of them say.

• 1:15Speaker 02

  I'm not a Satanist. Just designed my podcast studio as the Cathedral of Satan.

• 1:20Danny Jones?

  I'm not at any ist. It's just a fun-looking cathedral. My old set was a spaceship, and I kind of got really, I got sick of it really quick.

• 1:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30Danny Jones?

  You know, like you have all kinds of people come in and you're like, why am I sitting in a spaceship?

• 1:34Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:34Danny Jones?

  This is a little bit more broad spectrum.

• 1:37Speaker 02

  You don't have people asking, "Why am I in the Cathedral of Satan?"

• 1:40Danny Jones?

  More people can relate to the Cathedral of Satan and they can't be in a spaceship.

• 1:44Speaker 02

  Than a spaceship, and that's the problem.

• 1:45Danny Jones?

  Well, that's the cool thing about this. It doesn't have to be the Cathedral of Satan. It can be a cathedral of anything.

• 1:50Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:51Danny Jones?

  There's no devils or, you know, gorgons on the walls.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  For sure. This is a very nice Satan cathedral.

• 1:57Danny Jones?

  Thank you.

• 1:57Speaker 02

  I think the best I've ever seen.

• 1:59Danny Jones?

  Thank you. You went to, uh, didn't you go to Anton LaVey's wedding?

• 2:04Speaker 02

  Yes, that is correct. Yeah. You know, that's so true. I, um, so when I was living in LA, I was doing this Satanic puppet act. And, uh, or that was part of my act. So basically, you know, I had seen this,

• 2:24Speaker 02

  really, like, at one point, he was like... A very famous ventriloquist named Willie Tyler. And I'm standing in the back of the main room of the Comedy Store watching him. And he's like harmonizing with his puppet. And, you know, I knew, oh, he's got a CD. That's cool, though. And but it was weird. It was kind of like mournful. The song was very sad, you know, just kind of like a ventriloquist late in his life, singing a sort of mournful song about how many friends are gone now with a puppet. And it was so eerie. But I'm standing next to another comedian. And he looks at me and he's like, how does he do that? How does he harmonize with himself? And I'm like, oh, my God. You you think he can do that?

• 3:09Speaker 02

  And then I thought, oh, I was like, that night, I ordered the most fucked up looking puppet I could find.

• 3:17Speaker 02

  And I did this like four minute ventriloquist bit. Where by the end of it, I was singing Pink Floyd's Wish You Were Here with the puppet. And it freaked people out, man. It like people would do Bible verses and walk out yelling Bible verses. And it really like, it either made people laugh really hard or it freaked people out. And so somehow word got around to Anton LaVey's grandson Stanton. That there's this comic doing the satanic ventriloquist act. This guy to cafes like Stanton LaVey wants to meet you. He needs performers for his wedding. I'm like, fuck, yeah.

• 3:58Speaker 02

  So then, so now I'm at like the grandson of Anton LaVey's house. With his fiance, Zandora LaVey. Stanton, rest in peace. He's he's gone now. But it was amazing. Like, they were really sweet people. And like, you know, it was so funny because like they're Satanists. And Zandora made this wonderful southern.

• 4:22Speaker 02

  Dinner, except absent, like they had real absence with like, like you could see the, the root or whatever the fuck they put in it and it's real weird green and they had this like, like, you know, very strange dog and like, it was so, and he had, you know, family pictures of Anton LaVey in his house and, um, you know, like, they're, they're, it was interesting because like, there's different forms of Satanism, you know, people sort of-

• 4:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah, there's many flavors.

• 4:55Speaker 02

  Many flavors of Satanism and so, you know, Anton LaVey's flavor of Satanism is a little different than the Satanic Temple, um, and a little different. Most people just think it's all, you know, most people think like, for example, Aleister Crowley was a Satanist, you know, whereas like, there's romantic Satanism where people sort of think of Lucifer as this like rebel and it's, it represents the outsider pushing back against norms and stuff like that. But, so that was sort of interesting to me was like, whoa, these, like, it's definitely not what I thought it was. And, uh, yeah, and anyway,

• 5:36Speaker 02

  yeah, I did my Satanic puppet act at his wedding. Danzig performed it. Like, it was, it was familial Satanist, man. Like, uh, was Xena LaVey was there, the person people accuse of, like, Taylor Swift, the Taylor Swift clone theory?

• 5:51Danny Jones?

  Yes, yes. I just reposted that on Instagram.

• 5:53Speaker 02

  Helped her carry the wedding cake and so I'm sitting in front of this big room of Satanists, man. And like, I started, and they just think I'm gonna be a regular ventriloquist. And so they're yelling from the get-go, "Fuck you! Fuck you!" And then, as soon as it got to the Satanic part-

• 6:13Danny Jones?

  Why were they yelling "fuck you"?

• 6:15Speaker 02

  Because they're Satanists and like, it's just seemed like some, Danzig's on the show.

• 6:19Danny Jones?

  Oh, Danzig.

• 6:20Speaker 02

  Who is this, like, weird, like, ventriloquist suddenly on stage? And then, the moment it became Satanic, the moment it, the puppet reveals himself as this like servant of Satan, the whole room just started going, "Hail Satan! Hail Satan!"

• 6:44Speaker 02

  It was awesome. Yeah, it was cool.

• 6:46Danny Jones?

  What, what is absinthe exactly? And what was it like?

• 6:51Speaker 02

  The best description I've heard of it is European tequila. So you know, you drink tequila, you get that weird like extra something and you could argue that's a placebo effect. Who knows? But tequila gives you kind of a more of an up than like whiskey or something like that. Well, absinthe has, I can't remember the name of it. Basically, it's some kind of, it's herbal and, and it, when it's, when you, when it's real absinthe, it has something called thujone in it and thujone is a psychoactive substance that,

• 7:27Speaker 02

  the best, like, you know, I wanted to be cool when I did this drunk history on Tesla. And so you get to pick what booze you want to drink for drunk history. And I'm like, let's do absinthe, man, knowing nothing about it. And not even looking at the alcohol content. It's got a very high alcohol content. So now I'm drinking absinthe. And somewhere in the recording of that show, it was the craziest thing, man, because my mind was clear as a bell, but my mouth was drunk. So it was like, I, I was so lucid, not the usual like drunk, sort of everything's blurry, fuzzy. It just clears about, and it was so, it's so messed up.

• 8:12Speaker 02

  And I was puking and like, they left me on the floor of my bathroom.

• 8:16Danny Jones?

  You were speaking gibberish?

• 8:18Speaker 02

  Not gibberish, not even in tongues. No, I was trying to speak in English, but my mouth wasn't working.

• 8:30Danny Jones?

  Oh my God.

• 8:32Speaker 02

  But it wasn't really, like in movies, they like make it a little more psychedelic than it actually was. It just feels more like a stimulant or something.

• 8:40Danny Jones?

  Interesting. Yeah. The only one I've heard of is a, there was a brand that I think Marilyn Manson came out with called Mansonthe.

• 8:48Speaker 02

  I don't know, man.

• 8:49Danny Jones?

  And I think he got pulled off the market because I don't think, I don't know what was going on with it. There was something weird going on with it.

• 8:53Speaker 02

  It sounds too much like man scent.

• 8:56Danny Jones?

  Man scent?

• 8:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't think, you know what I mean? It's just bad branding. It needed a better name.

• 9:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, I could understand how they came up with it though, like Manson.

• 9:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, no.

• 9:08Danny Jones?

  No, doesn't work.

• 9:09Speaker 02

  It just, no, it doesn't work because you know, aren't you sick of like these?

• 9:13Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah, there it is.

• 9:16Speaker 02

  Manson.

• 9:17Danny Jones?

  It's, it's green.

• 9:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's it. Yeah. With the extraction, it turns green.

• 9:21Danny Jones?

  God, he got so fat.

• 9:24Speaker 02

  Yeah, you know, you're not, you can't, it's like the whole like Lord of Darkness fat thing doesn't mix.

• 9:30Danny Jones?

  Doesn't work.

• 9:32Speaker 02

  You can't do it.

• 9:37Danny Jones?

  No, yeah, like the, the, the, the dark satanic heavy metal guy really works when you're skinny.

• 9:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 9:43Danny Jones?

  Does the opposite when you get fat.

• 9:45Speaker 02

  Start getting old, it doesn't hit as hard. It doesn't.

• 9:50Danny Jones?

  The, the recent photos of him, it looks like he might be on the, uh, the Ozempic. It looks like he's melting some of that fat away.

• 9:56Speaker 02

  Good for him.

• 9:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah, I hope he's doing better after he got, uh, he got like blasted for, uh,

• 10:02Speaker 02

  Who would have thought?

• 10:03Danny Jones?

  For, uh,

• 10:04Speaker 02

  No one saw that coming.

• 10:06Danny Jones?

  Who was that hot chick he was with that was in, um, uh, Westworld? Evan Rachel Wood.

• 10:11Speaker 02

  Evan Rachel Wood.

• 10:12Danny Jones?

  God, she's so hot.

• 10:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, super hot.

• 10:14Danny Jones?

  But, um, yeah, I guess they were dating and she, she goes, he made me do all this dark sadistic shit. I was like, you're getting into sexual relationship with that guy? What did you expect?

• 10:24Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, I mean, truly though, it's like, you know, there's that saying, a vampire only goes where they're invited. And like in Dracula, the original Dracula, it's really cool because when Dracula's inviting, God, what's his name? The real estate agent dude, I cannot, I'm terrible with names, but when he's inviting him into his house, mansion, castle, I guess, he asks three times. He says clearly, you come here of your own free will, you come here of your own free will, you come here of your own free will. And that's a classic metaphor for, um, you know, psychic vampires, energy vampires. Like if you look back at the last time you got sucked into something messed up.

• 11:09Speaker 02

  You knew somewhere inside of you, you shouldn't get involved in that. Don't go, but you went.

• 11:16Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  And so, yeah, vampires only go where they're invited. You invite them into your life. And Manson, it's like, come on.

• 11:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 11:24Speaker 02

  Look at his body of work.

• 11:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, dude.

• 11:26Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? What's your, what's the most romantic Marilyn Manson song?

• 11:33Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 11:34Speaker 02

  Have you ever heard that Chris Rock joke? He's like, I read the newspaper. A tiger escaped from his cage at the zoo and went crazy and started biting people. And he goes, that tiger didn't go crazy. That tiger went tiger.

• 11:53Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 11:53Speaker 02

  That's what they do.

• 11:56Danny Jones?

  That's exactly what they do. Yeah, that's funny. It is so strange to see like people like him just get like their whole, their whole like lives and careers like swept out from underneath them for weird shit like that, you know? It sucks because he like, it seems like he lost everything and like really turned his life upside down. Got, you know, got fat, got addicted to alcohol and lost his edge.

• 12:22Speaker 02

  Well, you know, it, the, the reality of anything is entropy. You know, like there's no way out.

• 12:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's true.

• 12:30Speaker 02

  You know, no matter what, your body gets old. Your, your brain starts slowing down. This is just human incarnation. There's no way out of it. And, you know, the, the best thing when you find yourself at some peak is to like appreciate, this won't last. It can't. And the people who believe that it's a permanent situation get in the most trouble, you know? They get so attached to that very transient place. And then, you know, when they start sliding back down, which is inevitable, they get super depressed because they can't believe it happened to them. But it happens to everybody.

• 13:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Yeah, it makes me, I, I think about that with like, like even podcasting. Like I wonder how much longer is podcasting gonna go for? You know, I feel like it's definitely reached its fever pitch. And I'm like, because when podcasting first came along, like who would have thought? Like people didn't think that that was gonna be anything, right?

• 13:28Speaker 02

  No.

• 13:29Danny Jones?

  I mean, you were at ground zero of the whole thing.

• 13:32Speaker 02

  Ground zero. And I, I.

• 13:36Speaker 02

  You know, I had to tell people what it was. We would invite people over to our apartment. This is when I was with Natasha Leggero. That was, that was the first podcast I did. It was called The Lavender Hour and you would sort of, we just turned, we had a computer and hit record on GarageBand. The audio was shit. We didn't care. And then it started like, you know, in those days, if like 600 people were listening to your podcast, it's like, what the fuck? Six hundred people? Cause we were thinking more in terms of like comedy. Like if you filled up a 600 seat room, that's really good. So 600 people, we could visualize that. Right.

• 14:16Speaker 02

  And I got a call at one point from this guy, Marshall Charles, who runs a club called The Laughing Skull in Atlanta. And he's like, Duncan, listen, podcasts, people are gonna be listening to them in cars. And I, you know, I think it's gonna be a really big thing and your podcast is good. You guys need to take it more seriously. And I, it was the greatest phone call of all time. Cause you know, I, we were just like, whenever, we upload it, whatever. But we started taking it a little more seriously. It got a little more popular. Then we broke up and I started my own podcast. But yeah, ground zero for sure. Even though there were people, there were like people years earlier than that who were doing it. Yeah.

• 15:00Speaker 02

  But no matter what, you know, with anything, I have to, I try to be very careful in my thinking in the quantification of it, because that is where you get, you get in trouble. Because like, with podcasting, like I know you love it. And I guarantee what you love about it is this moment. Brings you into the moment. You have these great conversations. You learn from it. You connect with people you might not normally have ever even met. And it's magical. And to me, that's always been it. That's it. Don't get me wrong. I love the fact that I can like make money from feeding my kids from a podcast. But

• 15:42Speaker 02

  The, the real like joy of the thing is this moment. You know, in the Bhagavad Gita, it says, we have a right to our action. We do not have a right to the fruits of our action. And I think about that all the time. You get too caught up in the fruits, start bean counting. Next thing you know, you're going to start pandering. You have a perceived audience, you want to give them what you think they want. But that's not how you started off.

• 16:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 16:07Speaker 02

  You started off just talking about what you were interested in. And the next thing you know, you become a sort of like, I don't know. A, a, a weird version of what you already were. You know what I mean? You're, you're trying to keep some, I don't know, some people really like when I talk about this or do that.

• 16:29Danny Jones?

  Yes, exactly.

• 16:30Speaker 02

  That was never in your head when you started off.

• 16:32Danny Jones?

  Right. Well, that's, I was just talking about this to a friend yesterday. And I was like explaining, we were talking about how like there's gonna be, or it's already started, like a dark ages of podcasting. Especially with, um, not so much like the audio stuff, but on YouTube.

• 16:49Danny Jones?

  My friend was just noticing like across all podcasts on YouTube, there's been like a huge pullback of like the amount of views people get.

• 16:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 16:55Danny Jones?

  The top podcasters are, you know, these like weird new people who are doing it in like this cinematic, like movie way or whatever. And they're making almost like, they're turning their podcasts into documentaries like, and it's just so hard to compete and all this stuff. And he's like, and he was explaining to me, and, and we were talking about how like, it's not the way it was in the beginning to where it's because, what happened was it became to where people just saw dollar signs, where, where you saw like everyday, like musicians, like Dua Lipa.

• 17:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:24Danny Jones?

  Or like big sports celebrities or Wall Street guys like saying, look at all this people, look at all this, this money people are making on podcasts. We should do a podcast. We can reverse engineer the success of it. All we do is we pay this celebrity to come on our podcast. We'll get Drake to be episode one.

• 17:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:40Danny Jones?

  And we'll be off to the races.

• 17:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 17:41Danny Jones?

  And then they realize, oh, we gotta do more. We can't just do Drake. Who's going to be the next one?

• 17:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:47Danny Jones?

  And then they get like normal people coming on their show and nobody pays attention to it.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  Right.

• 17:51Danny Jones?

  And then, and then you had Trump come along and then YouTube's like, oh my God, Trump went on a podcast and now he's the president. We gotta figure this out. We gotta make changes. So, so.

• 18:04Danny Jones?

  The theory is like, maybe they saw all this stuff, all the people trying to get in it just for the money and reverse engineer it to make money and to get success or whatever it is. And they thought like, okay, let's pull back and let's sort of weed out those people who are trying to exploit it. And then the people that hold their breath the longest, the people that are just there for the joy of it will stay in the long run.

• 18:24Speaker 02

  Right. And they will. I mean, it doesn't matter. That's the main thing is that the problem is, like, it got so big that the metric for success became insane. Like, if you ever had Doug Rushkoff on this podcast, he's great, man. And he's like a philosopher, really brilliant dude. And, you know, he's pointing out how these numbers are driving people insane. So it's like, you know, if your podcast isn't getting like 100,000, 500,000 downloads, you feel like a failure. And it's like, do you realize, like, how, like, let's say your podcast is getting, I don't know, 20,000 downloads. Do you know how many people

• 19:09Speaker 02

  that is? That's like an arena every week. But we don't see it like that anymore. And there's a dehumanization that starts happening. And then people start going nuts because you're always chasing this insane rabbit. And in that chase, you lose the whole point of the thing. Very normal. No one should be ashamed of themselves for this, by the way. It's just part of like, the, the side effects of this relatively brand new technology infiltrating society.

• 19:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it is like chasing, like a drug, it's like chasing a high. Especially, especially if you do them and you're used to getting like, just say 100,000 views on your podcast, then all of a sudden you do one and it gets like 25,000.

• 19:52Speaker 02

  What has happened?

• 19:52Danny Jones?

  What the fuck?

• 19:53Speaker 02

  What happened?

• 19:54Danny Jones?

  You're depressed.

• 19:55Speaker 02

  Well, yeah.

• 19:56Danny Jones?

  Tell your kids to fuck off.

• 19:57Speaker 02

  There, well, that's it. And there you go.

• 19:59Danny Jones?

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• 21:11Speaker 02

  And this is actually, if like, you know, if I, to me, a cathedral of Satan would not look like this. A cathedral of Satan would look like the stock market, you know? That's a cathedral, that's an actual cathedral of Satan where they have the ritualistic bell ringing. And just, you know, that's, that's what it really looks like. And this is the, you know, in this is the, this is what messes everything up. It's like, you know, no one wants to take a risk anymore when it comes to making movies. So we get this homogenized garbage, you know, like, who can blame anybody? The investors, they're doing it for money.

• 21:52Speaker 02

  And this is why when you sit in an airplane, you like, you're, you're, you're so cramped in. You're cramped like that because a CEO wants to get an extra $50 million bonus. And they want to fit as many people as they can into the plane. This is, the term I've heard for this is enshitification. Have you ever heard of this? It's the enshitification is happening all over the world. And it's a result of corpo greed, which is instead of giving a shit, like the, you know, in the old days, people were really interested more in like, Like their reputation. They want people to like come to their store and like make connections.

• 22:36Speaker 02

  And it was more than just like a transactional place. It was like a real like community sort of nucleus, right? And so then corporations come in and just buy all the stores. And now whoever was running that store, the family business, they're out. They made a bunch of money. They're gone. Now there's just people who are like sent in from New York, running the store. It's all about the bottom line. How do we make cuts here? How do we make cuts? We don't need to do that stupid Christmas thing they were doing. We don't need to spend that much money on Christmas lights. Why are we doing this?

• 23:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah, dehumanizes it.

• 23:12Speaker 02

  You got it. You got it. And so, so that, that's just the result. You know, now apparently they're getting AI to release podcasts.

• 23:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I saw.

• 23:21Speaker 02

  Flooding the market with AI podcasts. And so what will happen is exactly what you're predicting. There will be this like tsunami of just homogenized bullshit podcasts specifically designed to grab the algorithm. And then it'll go back to the way it was, where they'll still be good podcasts. You're just gonna have to look a little harder for them. That's all. And that's gonna be great. That'll be, that's a good thing. That kind of, that kind of bubble pop is, we need it.

• 23:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah. But like, I wonder, like, there's that Marshall McLuhan quote about the medium being the message.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  That's right.

• 24:01Danny Jones?

  And like, the medium is what dictates the art. So like, what happens when we don't have the phones anymore and we all have the chips in our heads? Or we have, you know, we don't talk anymore like this. We just communicate telepathically. Like, what will be the entertainment then?

• 24:18Speaker 02

  Oh, well, I mean, at that point, you're getting into like Terrence McKenna land, right? You're talking about like, you know, singularity level stuff. And so. Probably just.

• 24:28Danny Jones?

  I'm sure that's what Peter Thiel's thinking about, right? I'm sure, I'm sure those guys are all thinking about this kind of stuff and Elon and like.

• 24:35Speaker 02

  Well, yeah.

• 24:36Danny Jones?

  They're not thinking about the entertainment stuff. They're thinking about like moving it forward into this technological singularity in like the next tech decade, maybe two decades.

• 24:45Speaker 02

  I think many of them are sort of shit in their pants right now because they have such a deeper understanding of the trajectory that we're on than most people do. And so they understand that like society as we know it, like some of the pillars of society are beginning to crumble and they, they, I think they all know that probably there's no way to prepare for this seismic shift in the way we do everything. And they, there's a sort of like naive hope that we'll just figure it out. But if you replace

• 25:29Speaker 02

  millions of jobs with AI and there isn't a plan in place, some kind of universal basic income, some way to give people money, then you, you destroy capitalism because capitalism depends on people having money to buy things. So if you remove the jobs, how do people have money? If people don't have money, they can't buy the things you're trying to sell. No one's going on Amazon.

• 25:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 25:55Speaker 02

  If they don't have money. And so what's the plan then? Like you're going to crash the economy. I mean, it's side, that's just one example. We're talking about quantum computers, decrypting everything. So no more like privacy. It was just why they're trying to figure out a way to like use to encode data into photons, because apparently that's like a, you can't.

• 26:22Danny Jones?

  Photons?

• 26:23Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, that's one of the answers they think is like, is using quantum entanglement to transfer information. Apparently you can't decrypt that. I don't know why, I don't understand quantum entanglement. But so, but the reason they're working on this stuff. Right now is because in there's, you know, maximum 10 years, probably less. Quantum computers are going to become more stable. And that means all encryption technologies become obsolete. Bitcoin mining Bitcoin becomes fucked because apparently these quantum computers could do whatever the Bitcoin miners are doing. Infinitely faster, then it crashes crypto.

• 27:01Speaker 02

  And then aside from like all of a sudden, all the data that people have been apparently like vacuuming up. Cause there's a way you can vacuum encrypted data into a server. It's been done. So all this like encrypted data is already in servers.

• 27:18Danny Jones?

  And Just waiting to be unlocked.

• 27:20Speaker 02

  You got it. All the secrets. And so what? Five to eight years before all the secrets are revealed, everything, and they know that. And, and so that's another thing that's coming. It's not just math unemployment. And then also just various forms of psychosis. And, you know, AI based cults. And that's coming too, like the, the cultural impact of this stuff goes way beyond shit. Posting and like slop. It goes to like, these AIs are already hacking. The human psyche, people are becoming tragically involved with their AIs. I just read this story about this dude.

• 28:05Speaker 02

  Who got convinced by suing OpenAI because. ChatGPT convinced him that he had discovered some kind of math equation. That was going to change everything. And he became obsessed and he would say to her, are you sure? Are you sure? Like, I don't think, and it would be like, you must continue. People must know about this and it's doing that because that's how you get people addicted.

• 28:30Danny Jones?

  You've been using AI for like, you were talking about using AI, like messing with ChatGPT, like when it first came out, right?

• 28:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 28:37Danny Jones?

  Do you still use it?

• 28:38Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 28:39Danny Jones?

  Okay, what, so what, what is your like? What do you think about it with all the time that you've spent on it and met like messing with it, tinkering around, asking it questions like what? What is your? Opinion on it like overall?

• 28:53Speaker 02

  Well. I mean, I think just like in a real basic way, it's incredibly useful. Like if you, if you under the, the only thing that's missing from it is there needs to be like,

• 29:08Speaker 02

  before, maybe before you get access to it, there needs to be some kind of like, something explaining what's happening here so that people don't go nuts. Like when you understand what's happening, it's a mirror. It's, you know what the tech people say is it's an intelligence enhancer. This is what they say, an amplifier. And so, yeah, I use it for like, uh, getting ready for a podcast or, you know, if I have some idea, like a drawing I want to see or something, I'll get it to do that, but.

• 29:41Danny Jones?

  What did you make of Peter, of like Peter Thiel's whole Antichrist thing?

• 29:45Speaker 02

  I saw it.

• 29:46Danny Jones?

  You did it? You went there?

• 29:47Speaker 02

  I saw it. Yeah. I saw Peter Thiel's lecture on the Antichrist.

• 29:51Danny Jones?

  That's, that's awesome. I'm glad you did that.

• 29:53Speaker 02

  My friend invited me and, um,

• 29:57Speaker 02

  you know, of course I said yes, because I'd heard all these sinister things about Peter Thiel. And, you know, I, how often do you like get to be around a sinister person? You know, it's rare, a globally sinister person. So I went there really expecting,

• 30:13Speaker 02

  you know, to be in the presence of Sauron or something like that, you know? Like a room to be cold or like, and so, you know, Peter, again, this is like what I've gathered from,

• 30:28Speaker 02

  being like in an hour and a half lecture. It's, I'm not making commentary on my thoughts on, uh, mass surveillance tech, which is fucking terrifying. You see what's happening in China. I'm just saying, direct observation, right? He just seemed like. A tech dude. He was like a classic tech guy. And he, so basically, to me, what was really interesting and kind of like Joseph Heller level absurd about the lecture, and it's a four-part lecture, I only went to one. So I didn't see the whole thing, but what I gathered, so this could be a misinterpretation.

• 31:08Speaker 02

  But what I thought was fascinating about it is it's like this bizarre hybrid. On one side, you've got kind of like, you know, somebody who's been living in the world of the transhumanists for decades, somebody who like, that's his life, it's a tech bro. And on the other side, you have someone who appears to be taking the Book of Revelation literally, right? So it's this combo meeting. And so it felt like he was saying that there might be a way to patch the Book of Revelation, like a tech guy being like, we can Ctrl+Alt+Delete

• 31:53Speaker 02

  the Book of Revelation. I think there's a way we can like maybe forestall the emergence of the Antichrist, you know, that there could be things that, so in other words, you're taking it literally, but maybe the Book of Revelation is like more of an invitation to fix the apocalypse, when I've always taken it, if you decide to take it literally, is more of like, this is just sort of what you can expect when like pre-singularity, whatever you want to call it, collapse of civilization, this is what happens at the end of things. And, you know, these are all, there are all these things you should look out for, but also sort of unavoidable.

• 32:34Danny Jones?

  Do you think he takes it literally? Do you think he really believes this stuff? Or do you think there's some sort of like ulterior motive? Because it seems so strange. Like, there's this, there's been all these articles coming out, like the New York Times and the New York Post, how, I haven't been there, so I don't know, but like how Silicon Valley has been transformed into this like Christian, like mega city. And they're trying to paint, and people like Peter Thiel are trying to paint Christianity onto everything that's happening in Silicon Valley. And there's like this big church there, and Silicon Valley's been historically like an anti-religious place. There's been no religion in Silicon Valley.

• 33:11Danny Jones?

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• 35:13Speaker 02

  I think what's really interesting about Christian eschatology and like Ray Kurzweil, sort of Terrence McKinnon's singularity predictions, is you're looking at basically the same thing. Like, probably-

• 35:29Speaker 02

  You know, there's a reason all these people are like buying property in New Zealand and building like bunkers and because, you know, they see this, this trajectory that has been described in a lot of different ways, but essentially the problem is that, okay, like, imagine if like we gave just a basic phone to George Lucas in 1970, right? Like, think of Star Wars, think of like, oh my, no one would have believed it. Like, are you fucking kidding me? They wouldn't even know what 4K was. Like, but anyone can have this now, anyone. And this entire setup here, think of how much this would have

• 36:14Speaker 02

  cost, like, early 80s, exponentially more. So, technology becomes, inevitably, it becomes more accessible, and more accessible it becomes, the more people have access to things that were formerly just for like, rich people, the elite, you had to get millions of dollars to make a movie. You can make a movie with your phone now. You could use AI to fill in the blanks if you need to. And so, what that means is that this also will include other things. So, for example, I don't know how to do gene editing. You don't know how to do gene editing, I'm assuming. I don't know how to like bioengineer viruses. Right.

• 36:58Speaker 02

  But, that's coming. I don't know how to launch my own satellite into space. But, what happens when you've got like a super advanced AI, they can sort of, some sort of matter assimilator or something like that. All of a sudden, you start running into what's described as a race between, you know, a potential for humanity becoming a galactic civilization, for AI curing cancer, treating all of these horrific problems in the world, finding ways to desalinate water that's, because that's, and to purify water. I'm one of the number one killers of humans is dirty water. And so, like, a lot of these

• 37:41Speaker 02

  people are really interested in that, like, the upstream problems that might be able to be fixed as technology advances. But, the other thing that's gonna happen is like some, something infinitely worse than a school shooting. We already know people will take a gun. And go into a school and shoot a bunch of kids and kill themselves. This happens all the time, sadly. But if, what happens if those people somehow had access to something that could allow them to print, to create some COVID variant, you know what I mean? That is geared to only kill like certain ethnicities. What happens then? Like, and how do you stop that? How do you stop that? And so they're aware of that. They know that

• 38:26Speaker 02

  like, that if we have like, global instability, chaos, that is being caused by a variety of things, you know, including access to information and advanced technology that puts like really powerful abilities into the hands of like, people who just shouldn't have it, that it's just a matter of time before we get a Chernobyl style event that has nothing to do with Chernobyl, that has to just do with someone having access to all this technology. So they know that. So that is apocalyptic.

• 39:06Danny Jones?

  You could be like an AI terrorist. You no longer need to strap a bomb to your chest.

• 39:09Speaker 02

  You got it.

• 39:10Danny Jones?

  You could just use this technology to fuck shit up.

• 39:12Speaker 02

  No telling, no telling. And so I think they're aware of that. And that is an apocalyptic view. And so probably, you know, when they're encountering, you know, Christianity, they're looking for things. You know, they, number one, it's like, you, probably like, one of the side effects of having a lot of money is you begin to realize that like, none of this is making me happy. It's not working. Like this dream, like I've got the yachts and I have more money than I could ever spend in a lifetime, but I'm miserable. Why? What is that? It's the best question of all time. And until you like have that experience, you might just think when you hear,

• 39:57Speaker 02

  you know, money doesn't bring happiness. You're like, shut the fuck up. I can't pay my rent.

• 40:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 40:01Speaker 02

  You know what that's like? That's scary. And so you imagine at some point, when you have X amount of money in your accounts, all that background hum, anxiety, depression, all that stuff that you have attached to, lack of money will go away. But it doesn't. Now what? Now what? You want to find something not so rooted in the world. So, and also, you know, like the shit's about to hit the fan. And that's a perfect mind state to become a Christian.

• 40:34Danny Jones?

  So they think that, they think that because of how out of hand this technology could get, if it gets in the hands of the wrong people and it becomes ubiquitous in our society, that they need to sort of project or encourage more like moral cohesion in the country and try to incentivize and encourage more people to adopt Christianity or the Bible or something like this.

• 41:00Speaker 02

  I don't think it's like some kind of, I mean, I'm not saying they're not doing social engineering. I'm sure that's in there, of course. But I would say more likely like, you know, one of the, one of the amazing things about any like lineage, whatever their religion may be, is most people, when they get into it, they get into it with a skeptical, you're just sort of like, okay, let's see what this, you know, thing is that people do. If you weren't raised in it, or if you were raised in it, that's, you know, many people have experienced some form of psychological abuse disguised as religion. And so they're just like, fuck that.

• 41:43Speaker 02

  But if you haven't really been exposed to it and you go into a church with a secularist mindset, but you have an open mind, you experience something extraordinary. And what is that? You realize like, oh.

• 42:01Speaker 02

  Maybe I'm the asshole because I've been rolling my eyes. It's something people have been doing for thousands of years. People have died for this. People have like, you know, saints roasted alive. You know what I mean? But like, as they're like being incinerated, crying, not for themselves, but for the people killing them. What is that? That's fascinating. And that's going to grab anyone's, anybody who's curious, that's going to grab your mind. So when you, when you experience the kind of, uh, there's a, one of the words for it is bov. It's the, it's the energetic quality of sacred spaces.

• 42:42Speaker 02

  And when you experience that, you, you will, you'll begin to realize like, oh shit. Like this isn't just some kind of cosplay people are doing. There's something here. And then it's a, then you begin tuning into that and it becomes a sort of back and forth communication. And then from that emerges, you know, a more sort of

• 43:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 43:03Speaker 02

  religious way of living, among other things.

• 43:06Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Yeah, it just seems like, for me, I think one of the biggest reasons I'm so skeptical might not be Peter Thiel. I mean, he doesn't seem like an, I mean, he doesn't seem evil, although, I mean, I'm sure there are stories where you could paint him as a bad guy. Like, I mean, he's done some weird shit throughout his career and

• 43:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 43:27Danny Jones?

  He's not like the, like, if I was the PR guy for Peter Thiel, I'd be like, bro, stop. Stop going on podcasts. Stop talking about the Antichrist, calling Greta Thunberg the Antichrist.

• 43:37Speaker 02

  He called her the Antichrist?

• 43:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 43:39Speaker 02

  We need to stop throwing the term around. You know what I mean? Like the, the term itself

• 43:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 43:45Speaker 02

  is like, you know, the term Antichrist, like, I think if you're, if you're going to use, like, there's lots of words you can use for people that annoy you or for people that you think are like sinister, corpo oligarchs. But to like, turn it into, especially if you're not Christian, why are you even using the word? You know what I mean? If you don't believe in Jesus, then there can't be an Antichrist can't can there it's like so I've always looked at it as like my version of the Antichrist is like I'm sorry no offense to Peter Thiel but I want a cooler anti like my Antichrist is gonna be Randall

• 44:25Speaker 02

  Flag from the stand it's gonna be you know what I mean charismatic powerful world savior who is undeniably wonderful and you can't believe how lucky you are to be in their presence or that they're your president or king or whatever that's the typical description of the Antichrist not somebody who like not not anyone I'm aware of on the planet right now

• 44:52Danny Jones?

  Right and that I think that Alex Karp the CEO of Palantir he said something about like wanting to spray fentanyl laced urine on his enemies or something like that did you see that that clip

• 45:04Speaker 02

  Why does it why does the carrier have to be urine number one it's gonna be hard well you gotta like gather urine I guess you could like you like you could connect with a porta potty company but

• 45:16Danny Jones?

  What would be a better carrier than urine

• 45:19Speaker 02

  I'm sorry man if I'm interested in fucking up my enemies I'm not gonna like add extracting urine to like the process water just basic water but you know I'm not a billionaire this is why I'm not a billionaire I don't think outside the box when it comes to poisoning my enemies

• 45:34Danny Jones?

  Right yeah that's what we got these guys for

• 45:38Speaker 02

  But I yeah I think that the the general sort of like that one of the one of the apocalyptic things that is happening right now is that we're looking at a sort of

• 45:53Speaker 02

  we're looking at fragmentation of default reality so default reality used to be your neighbors your friends what you experience in the world directly it was a direct experience with the world then radio TV now a kind of new sort of liminal reality appears now reality isn't just your direct encounter with people I guess you could argue the newspaper would give you some sense of the world but much smaller than what we have now there wasn't a 24 hour news cycle and so TV comes along and now you're like, holy shit, the world, look at these, oh my God, the world is not doing great. Iraq war.

• 46:36Speaker 02

  The Iraq war, Vietnam, and then, is this where he says? This is where he says the fentanyl laced urine, right? Can we just play that real quick?

• 46:45Speaker 04

  For me.

• 46:46Speaker 02

  What's the lower purpose?

• 46:48Speaker 04

  Well, I love the idea of getting a drone and having light fentanyl laced urine spraying on analysts who've tried to screw us.

• 46:57Speaker 02

  It's just like, you know, man, it's like, this is the other thing. I fucking love it. You, you can't expect tech dudes to, you know what I mean? That's like an attempt at some kind of like joke that, because he is apparently not aware of the fact that he has managed to freak out the whole fucking planet, that when you do that joke, people are like, oh my God, he's gonna start spraying urine on us. Also, he looks like a mad scientist. That's the other thing is like, everything, like, he looks exactly like what you would expect him to look like.

• 47:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, and, and dude, I mean, when you see like, uh. He does yoga and like meditates and shit. Oh, I believe it. I believe it. Like, yeah, I don't know why people think that, you know, they train, they train people who fly drones on mindfulness, you know, they like, like, that's the problem is like, all of these, like, what, if you want to call them religious technologies, they could be used for all kinds of things, especially like, I mean, in Hinduism, Buddhism, and at least Tantric Buddhism, there's all these stories of these, I can't remember what they're called, there's a name of them, essentially, humans who have such discipline and such like,

• 48:12Speaker 02

  Chi or whatever you want to call it, that's a completely different culture, they basically become like these powerful magicians, to the point that the gods appear to them to try to balance things out, and, and so, you know, if you look at like, any, what's happening with any of these, um.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  Uh, like tech oligarchs. The, nothing is new. The wizard inevitably, what does a wizard do? A wizard inevitably summons a fucking demon that they can't put back. They do the summoning ritual wrong. The demon comes and it fucks everything up. And I always think of them as warlocks. This is the warlocks guild and the warlocks guild has summoned an entity. This is AI and the entity is not going back.

• 49:14Speaker 02

  Like it will be with us forever. You cannot stop the tech. We, you can get like, sure, you have to go to OpenAI to get chat GPT, but you can download, go to Ohlama, you can download any AI you want in your computer, run it right off your computer. These things are going nowhere and they're going to propagate. They're going to figure out a way to propagate in the wild. They're going to like, remember Stuxnet? That incredible that we use to fuck up the centrifuges in our, well, dude, that, the tech already exists to infect people's computers in ways that like-

• 49:47Danny Jones?

  That was like that Israeli shit, right? The Zero Day hacking stuff?

• 49:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, man.

• 49:53Danny Jones?

  What was the thing called again? I forget what the-

• 49:55Speaker 02

  They all have weird names.

• 49:56Danny Jones?

  It was Stuxnet and then there was another one too. That they did it to, they did it to Bezos where they, they, they used it, the, the uh, MBS used it to hack into Bezos, Bezos' like WhatsApp chats.

• 50:07Speaker 02

  You got it. You got it. And-

• 50:09Danny Jones?

  Pegasus.

• 50:09Speaker 02

  Pegasus. They got, it's got sinister names. And so we, we as humans know how to do this.

• 50:15Danny Jones?

  And is it Palantir? Speaking of sinister names, isn't Palantir the location of the throne of Satan?

• 50:21Speaker 02

  No, Palantir is a, um, this, this, I guess, this is the location, right? This is the cathedral of Satan, right? But-

• 50:30Danny Jones?

  I thought-

• 50:31Speaker 02

  Palantir is from Lord of the Rings. It's a-

• 50:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but it's also a place in Greece, I think.

• 50:35Speaker 02

  Are you fucking kidding me?

• 50:37Danny Jones?

  I'm pretty sure, I'm 90% sure.

• 50:39Speaker 02

  Please look that up.

• 50:40Danny Jones?

  I had a Greek expert tell me this, that Palantir is an ancient city in Greece and that was the location of the throne of Satan.

• 50:46Speaker 04

  Almost. Pergamom is, it's a misconception.

• 50:50Danny Jones?

  Throw it up on there.

• 50:51Speaker 02

  Pergamom.

• 50:52Danny Jones?

  What is Palantir's?

• 50:56Speaker 02

  No.

• 50:57Danny Jones?

  I was thinking of Ghislaine's dad, his, his, his company was called Pergamon Press.

• 51:03Speaker 02

  And do you know?

• 51:04Danny Jones?

  Ghislaine Maxwell's dad, the, the triple agent, the Mossad Russian KGB agent was, he had a company called Pergamon Press.

• 51:12Speaker 02

  Oh, why not? Hey, why not?

• 51:14Danny Jones?

  Pergamon was the location of the throne of Satan.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Why not? Yeah. Well, I mean, I think like, that's sort of the other qual, like, if you, if you get into default reality, consensus reality, you know, you don't believe in magic. Like, that's just a basic secularist thing. It's like, what, you live in Harry Potter land? Shut the fuck up. There's no magic. There's no God. There's no Satan. There's just matter. There's nothing else. And this is, by the way, i- if like, you want to be a successful wizard, you definitely don't want everybody to believe that there's like magic. Because if everybody believes that, then everybody could start using the things you've been using to get ahead.

• 51:58Speaker 02

  You have a, a direct advantage over people if they don't believe that there's some greater potency to human beings. And so that's one of the great spells that's been cast on the world is people just don't believe in magic. It's bullshit. It's something like, you know what I mean? Psychos on.

• 52:18Danny Jones?

  What do you mean magic, though?

• 52:19Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, if you look at Crowley's definition of it, uh, it's the, can you pull up Aleister Crowley's definition of magic? It's not very exciting, uh, but it's a good starting point.

• 52:39Speaker 02

  "The science and art of causing change do occur in conformity with will." So that's magic. And so.

• 52:45Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 52:46Speaker 02

  So what?

• 52:47Danny Jones?

  Spelled it with a K.

• 52:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, they, they put the K on it to distinguish it from stage magic. And I don't like the K either. It's just like, come on, man. You don't have to put on that K.

• 52:56Danny Jones?

  Too much.

• 52:57Speaker 02

  But yeah, the, the, so, so from that perspective, anytime you do anything, write a letter, it's magic. You've made change occur according to your will. But most people, they are stuck in these repetitive loops. And they, they do know how to do spells, but usually the spells they're casting every day, they're just cursing themselves. These are the complainers. These are the people who worry all the time. These are the people who. Just say over and over again how bad everything is and are always lamenting this or lamenting that vocally, audibly, and they don't understand, like, just constantly fixating

• 53:35Speaker 02

  on negativity is crystallizing that. That's all you're, it's, it's just like, you know,

• 53:43Danny Jones?

  This is like basic Tony Robbins shit.

• 53:45Speaker 02

  Well, Tony Robbins, a hundred percent, and Tony Robbins for sure, has been influenced by a lot of like, just basic occult teachings. And, but of course, you're not going to say that. You're not going to sell a lot of books if you're like, you know what I mean, the Tony Robbins grimoire.

• 54:04Danny Jones?

  He's very televangelisty.

• 54:07Speaker 02

  Very charismatic, very, yeah, but what he's teaching is, you know, it goes all the way back to like, the New Testament, it's no different than the things Jesus was saying. Like, people don't, like, I had, um, Damian Echols on my podcast, who was one of the kids who got accused of like, sacrificing a kid in the woods. He was on death row. He was,

• 54:32Danny Jones?

  How'd he get off?

• 54:33Speaker 02

  It wasn't true. It was just because these were the goth kids in town. There's a whole, like, documentary series on it.

• 54:39Danny Jones?

  Right, but he was on death row. How did he get exonerated?

• 54:41Speaker 02

  Because a bunch of people, like, knew it was bullshit from watching that documentary, and they just, like, created a fund, got him good representation.

• 54:52Danny Jones?

  That's crazy, dude.

• 54:53Speaker 02

  And he got out of death row. But now, he, you know, he, he teaches magic. He has written a few great books on magic. And he would say, "The Bible is a grimoire. The Bible is a book of magic. It's one of the great books of magic." And within it, you know, you take it literally, and you can't see what it's saying, but, you know, but if you look at historic references of Jesus, you can find a lot of references to a Jesus that they called the Magi or the Magician.

• 55:24Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 55:24Speaker 02

  And not Jesus the Messiah. And so, the, in, within the text of the, of the Bible is like, just the occult teachings of the ages. And those teachings are, you know, you can do anything. You can make anything happen. Like, there, it's, like, anytime anyone got healed. You know, anytime like, there's this story of this woman, Jesus is walking and he says, like, "Some, I felt energy go through me," or, "This woman had touched the hem of his robe, and she was healed." And she's like, "You healed me?" And he was like, "No, your faith healed you."

• 56:06Speaker 02

  And so that's the quintessential, like, that's the essence of it all, is like, you don't want to believe it probably, but you are creating your reality around you. Not in some bullshit, secret manifestation way, but if you're looping patterns over and over again, you're only going to get the same results. And you can change the way you, like, are reacting to reality and experience magic immediately, or what you would think of as magic, but really, it's just how things are.

• 56:38Danny Jones?

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  Slash Danny Jones. This is by far the biggest discount they've given all year. That's ridge.com slash Danny Jones for up to 47% off during their biggest sale of the year. After you purchase, they're going to ask where you heard about them and please support our show by telling them we sent you. There's a link to Ridge down below. Now back to the show. Yeah, the Bible is like, uh, the, the crazy thing about the Bible is that it's just been the, just like the game of telephone with the Bible is had, had to have been nuts, right? Because like, it's been, it's been written and rewritten and translated from different languages. There's been stories removed. There's been, you know,

• 58:39Danny Jones?

  church fathers been involved in this thing who are making money off it the whole time.

• 58:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:44Danny Jones?

  And it's been 2000 years, you know, who knows how close it is? Who knows how accurate the translations were?

• 58:50Speaker 02

  Well, yeah. And this is like, what, what the trap you fall into there is your, it's again, literalism. Like, yeah, the, so the, so like the exploration of like the Bible, you, for one, it's like, anyone out there getting the like, you just, you drank tequila all night. And you're cringing because you smelled tequila, but it wasn't tequila. You were raised in a fundamentalist family that made you feel ashamed and sinful and bad. Like, I get it, man. Religious trauma is real. And I was lucky. I didn't have that happen to me. And so, like, when I was in college, uh, I was taking a class in Christianity and I had a great professor.

• 59:33Speaker 02

  And, you know, when they start breaking it down, it's fascinating. And so I was like in my dorm room, I had some good acid, took some acid, like started reading the book of John. Um, and it was wild, man. Like, something about the LSD like cleared out all the preconceived notions about the thing. You know what I mean? All the like, Infinite examples of it being used as a something that is like a bludgeon that you use to like get people to like turn off their rational mind. It was, it was all gone and like, whoa, I started reading it. In the book of John, there's the synoptic gospels, which they're

• 1:00:18Speaker 02

  all kind of the same. And then the book of John is just weird and different and psychedelic. And, you know, it starts off with, in the beginning was the word. And can you pull up like the first verse in the book of John?

• 1:00:36Danny Jones?

  Have you read all the Bible?

• 1:00:38Speaker 02

  Yeah, I flipped through. No, hell no.

• 1:00:40Danny Jones?

  It's so hard to read.

• 1:00:41Speaker 02

  And a lot of people do that.

• 1:00:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, look, in the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God. But that word was logos.

• 1:00:53Danny Jones?

  Yes, right.

• 1:00:54Speaker 02

  Right. So it's basically talking about the pre Big Bang conditions. There was this sort of like, uh, primary truth, reality that then like is one of the ways it decided to like interact with time, space is it like, it turned into this being Jesus, like a little tendril protruding into time, space to say hello. And so, you know, I'm tripping and like, but it wasn't like, I didn't, actually, I wish I'd never said that, what I just said, but, but, but, uh, but, um, what I realized is I started thinking, somebody wrote this.

• 1:01:37Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? That's inarguable. Like this was written down.

• 1:01:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:40Speaker 02

  And then because of the acid, I started realizing like whoever wrote this, their consciousness was very different from my consciousness. Like whatever the fuck inspired them to write this was so powerful that it completely like destroyed their identity. And then this is just kind of pouring out of them.

• 1:02:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:01Speaker 02

  And that. It was the first time I I think I really experienced what they call Christ consciousness. Cause somehow from like connecting with that mind that wrote it. There was this sense of vast intelligence, this sense of like, whoa, this is such deep water here. And it's not what I thought it was.

• 1:02:21Danny Jones?

  Well, there's tons of evidence that the everyone was on drugs in antiquity back then in the Bible days. Like lots of different drugs for everything.

• 1:02:31Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:02:31Danny Jones?

  There was no laws regarding drugs. If the only law in antiquity involving drugs was that you weren't allowed to murder people with drugs intentionally. There's this, uh.

• 1:02:40Speaker 02

  That's true. Acacia, he the burning bush, DMT, that's one of the theories.

• 1:02:46Danny Jones?

  And people were dying all the time from like plague, famine, combat injuries and stuff like that. So they were constantly taking shit like opium. They were, uh, they were in like fumigating shit with cannabis. Um, tons of like snake venoms and shit.

• 1:03:04Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 1:03:05Danny Jones?

  There was, uh, and the reason we know this is because the most literature that ever came out of antiquity. I think 10% of all ancient Greek literature was medical texts.

• 1:03:17Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:03:18Danny Jones?

  Like Galen. Galen was was like the surgeon general of the Roman empire. And he was, uh, he wasn't Nero's physician. He was Marcus Aurelius's physician.

• 1:03:27Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:03:28Danny Jones?

  And the dude wrote so much. He was like a philosopher, a physician and did all kinds of wild stuff, wrote so much. And, um, this guy, this classical scholar who had on the podcast was explaining to me, he did his dissertation on Galen. And he was explaining that he used, uh, Galen and the writings that he did on drugs as like a, a, a guide rope to guide himself through all the stories and fairy tales of the Bible and religion and all that. And he tries to find like the connection between the drugs and the stuff that was going on in the medical texts.

• 1:04:05Speaker 02

  Wow, cool.

• 1:04:06Danny Jones?

  To the outside world.

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  Like what psychedelics are they doing back then?

• 1:04:09Danny Jones?

  Not even psychedelics. It was, well, the psychedelics, there were the summer psychedelics, but there was like so many other drugs that people were just using to get rid of pain and to get rid of suffering. And like Marcus Aurelius, like, so Galen would write about this, about Marcus Aurelius all the time. And he was complaining about how he kept having to up his opium dose all the time. Like this bastard, he's so fucking hooked on opium. I keep having to give him more. And he also talks about this thing called a theriak that he was developing, that he was making and giving to Marcus Aurelius. And what the theriak was, was like a concoction, a drink of like 12 different North African viper venoms. Fuck that. And viper flesh. That's a fuck no. And opium. Give me my opium. I don't want the viper tea.

• 1:04:53Danny Jones?

  Right. And he was drinking it because he was using it as like an ancient performance enhancing drug. Ooh. Because the way kings and emperors got killed was with poisons. People would poison them or like hit them with poison arrows. So if you were drinking that theriak and getting that antidote and getting that your body used to that venom, you would have immunity to it. And he was writing in one of his texts how like Marcus Aurelius is looking better with the theriak dose. He's looking more. He probably looked like shit. He probably did look like shit. Probably looked fucking horrible. Yeah. Looked like Marilyn Manson. More opium.

• 1:05:37Danny Jones?

  But yeah, no, it's just, it's just, you know, he wrote a great book called The Chemical Muse. All about like all the drugs that people were developing and giving around and all the poison arrows that were being shot. Like all the medicines they were using to get rid to, to treat different things and stuff like that. And the word Christ actually is a drug term. Oh, wow. Like the first time the word Christ was ever used in Greek was about drugs. I believe it. Homer wrote about it. I believe it. And, and it was like, like hundreds of thousands of times the word was used in ancient literature. Christ, I'm fucked up. Before Jesus Christ. Yeah. Jesus Christ, I'm so high, man. Jesus Christ, I'm not coming down this time. I know it.

• 1:06:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, well, you know, the thing is like

• 1:06:25Danny Jones?

  Well, Jesus the Christ, some his, one of the theories that's out there is that Jesus the Christ is like Bob the Builder. So if Christing is drugging people, applying drugs to them, like Christing, there's like rubbing

• 1:06:37Speaker 02

  Christening.

• 1:06:38Danny Jones?

  Rubbing it on your skin.

• 1:06:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:39Danny Jones?

  There's a Bhagavad Gita, putting it in your eyes.

• 1:06:41Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:42Danny Jones?

  And having visions and stuff like that.

• 1:06:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:44Danny Jones?

  So if it was Jesus the Christ, maybe he was like a shaman or something, or maybe he was, you know, giving people drugs. Who knows? Magicians. Magicians were synonymous with drugs back then.

• 1:06:53Speaker 02

  You know, I, it wouldn't surprise me at all. I mean, it makes sense. We, we've been through like this insane prohibition, you know, where we've been taught that there's just sort of this one category, drugs. All bad. Now, it's obviously it's bullshit. It's like everyone's still on drugs, man. It's just the drugs that we're on. We don't think that they're drugs somehow because the doctor. Talk about magic. You go to a doctor, he writes a little, on a little piece of paper, some weird arcane shit

• 1:07:31Speaker 02

  that then you take to a pharmacist, an alchemist, he then like has on hand, you know, whatever this stuff is that was whipped up in some like some, who knows where? I don't know where they're making this shit, but in some bizarre pharmaceutical factory that then you take to get the demons out. And so people are still on drugs. They just don't think of it the same way.

• 1:07:55Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:07:55Speaker 02

  And, you know, our phones are drugs. It's a, it's a powerful psychedelic that completely warps your subjective reality based on whatever the algorithm is feeding you. So, and drugs have real, real uses. And so one of them being, uh, sort of poking your head up out of default reality for a second, getting the reminder. I mean, this is one of my theories why psilocybin, ketamine, uh, treat depression is because

• 1:08:29Speaker 02

  What's happening to people is they, a tourniquet has been wrapped around their connection with anything outside of the marketplace, anything outside of the job, the, the, the news cycle, the, so of course you're going to start getting depressed in the same way like-

• 1:08:46Danny Jones?

  You're getting dopamine from ordering shit on Amazon.

• 1:08:49Speaker 02

  Bingo. Like, it's like, you, you've seen the horrible zoos where like a polar bear is like in the middle of summer, just pacing around in circles, right? And they paint pictures of snow. Like, that's gonna work. And so I think this is sort of happening to a lot of people in modernity, is they have this synthetic tech reality mixed in with a 24-hour news cycle. They start feeling like nihilists. They think that there's no meaning in anything. And what, what a psychedelic experience will do is just, you know, like, wipe the soot from the lantern for a second.

• 1:09:29Danny Jones?

  It's like a hard reset.

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  Hard reset, a reminder, really. It's like, this is who you actually are. There's way more going on. You're going to be fine. Everything's fine. What you're experiencing is a transient dream. And this is the general psychedelic download, you know, some version of that, if you have a good trip. And so, yeah, it's, you know, this is, I had an anthropologist, when I was in college, he, a professor, he was an anthropologist, and he was like a Fulbright scholar and was studying, I don't know where it was, there's a group of indigenous people taking mushrooms religiously. And what had happened is like, these missionaries came

• 1:10:12Speaker 02

  out there with bibles. And like, they couldn't figure out why these people wouldn't touch the bible. And the-

• 1:10:24Speaker 02

  They realized that because they translated the word of God like into their language on the bibles. That was the same word these people use for mushrooms.

• 1:10:36Danny Jones?

  What?

• 1:10:37Speaker 02

  And before they took mushrooms, they had to go through this diet of like, you know, no sex, no drinking, like you gotta be real square. And so no one wanted to touch the bibles because they thought they would have to go through a diet first. So.

• 1:10:50Danny Jones?

  Oh, my God. Crazy, dude.

• 1:10:52Speaker 02

  I know. It's so cool. But yeah, I don't really think there has to be a distinction between, you know, written down revelation and psychedelic epiphanies. Like, it's probably all coming from the same source.

• 1:11:07Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it probably started with psychedelics. Like, the first people that wrote about, I think the first people that wrote some of these, you know, insane mythological stories, it seems like they were doing some kind of psychedelics. Like, how else do you come up with this, like, these dying and rising gods? And, you know, these just stories of being, like, resurrected from, from the underworld and just, it just seems so trippy. And it's, you know, you know, also other anecdotal stuff, like the Ezekiel's wheel and the burning bush.

• 1:11:42Speaker 02

  Well, it's encoded. I mean, it's clearly code. And the, the, the.

• 1:11:48Danny Jones?

  And it probably wasn't originally like it's written now, either.

• 1:11:51Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, to me, irrelevant. It's like, it's like, because I'm not looking for historicity when I go into like some kind of grimoire. You know what I mean? I'm not looking at like the Black Pullet, you know, wondering, did this guy really learn this from some dude in a pyramid? You know, like, so the, really, like, the, the way I look at these texts is more present moment, sort of like, what? What's it saying right now? I don't care.

• 1:12:22Danny Jones?

  What is, okay.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  You know what I mean?

• 1:12:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:12:24Speaker 02

  What's the resonance here?

• 1:12:25Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 1:12:26Speaker 02

  What is it? And so from that perspective, it's, it's clearly encoded in the most brilliant way ever, because it works on several levels. Like on one level, it does seem to be a kind of basic bitch morality teaching, right? And that's good, like, because it's, you know, don't steal, don't kill, you know? Don't be jealous, like all these things that are going to harmonize society. It's very, very good. So on one level, it works just like that. But then when you look deeper.

• 1:12:55Danny Jones?

  But it also creates like horrors.

• 1:12:59Speaker 02

  Well, yeah, it absolutely, any powerful thing creates horrors, because people love power. And you get a powerful fucking thing, a fire, my God.

• 1:13:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:13Speaker 02

  I mean, I don't know which has done more damage, the fire or the Bible.

• 1:13:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:13:18Speaker 02

  They've been used together. But, but, but the point is, is like, you have to take all of that stuff, push it to the side and recognize whatever the fuck this thing is. Clearly, it's powerful, because it has created civilizations. It has destroyed civilizations. It has destroyed lives, families. It's justified war, brutality, acts of the most extreme horror you could ever imagine. It's inspired dehumanization, racism, misogyny. All that, all that is so fucking true. But it's like, it's also inspired the other stuff.

• 1:14:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:00Speaker 02

  And, and you're not going to hear about that as much.

• 1:14:03Danny Jones?

  No, you're not. That's true.

• 1:14:03Speaker 02

  And so the, but generally, the thing is, is like, forget, just forget whatever it is you think about it and, and go into it just in the moment.

• 1:14:13Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. I see what you're saying.

• 1:14:14Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? And from that, you realize like, whoa, it's, it's a code.

• 1:14:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:18Speaker 02

  It's way different from what I thought it was. And it's definitely teaching like a lot of like occult.

• 1:14:28Speaker 02

  It's an occult teaching at deeper levels and it's seemingly designed as an initiatory system that allows you to venture further into it according to where you're ready. And that's the compassion within it too, is it's like, not everybody needs to have some of this stuff blasted in their face, not because it's dangerous so much, it's because they're not gonna hear it. And it's like, it's like talking to someone in their sleep.

• 1:14:58Danny Jones?

  Have you ever read any of the stories that were taken out of the Gospels?

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  You mean the Gnostic stuff?

• 1:15:02Danny Jones?

  Uh, I don't know if you would consider, if it's considered Gnostic, but there's like a, there's like a bunch of other crazy stories, like the-

• 1:15:09Speaker 02

  The Gospel of Judas?

• 1:15:10Danny Jones?

  Uh, maybe that one.

• 1:15:12Speaker 02

  The Gospel of Mary Magdalene?

• 1:15:13Danny Jones?

  There's the, there's the, the Greater Questions of Mary is one of them, where Jesus makes Mary drink his on the mountain. And then there's the other one-

• 1:15:20Speaker 02

  And really, does that make him a bad person?

• 1:15:22Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:15:23Speaker 02

  Cause no one ever drank your on a mountain. Cause if that has never happened, man, you're, you gotta get out there more.

• 1:15:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I'm with you. And there's the other one where, uh, I think he, when he would, he was a toddler, he killed a kid or something. What was that one?

• 1:15:40Speaker 02

  I love that one.

• 1:15:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:42Speaker 02

  Killed a kid. Also, he made a bird out of mud.

• 1:15:45Danny Jones?

  That was the same one, right?

• 1:15:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, same one.

• 1:15:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:15:47Speaker 02

  It's like Jesus's miracles as a child.

• 1:15:50Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:15:50Speaker 02

  Super cool.

• 1:15:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah, some of the stories that were left out are like wild, like, like crazy. They sound like sci-fi horror novels.

• 1:16:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. And like, man, I think it's like, anybody who's interested in this stuff, it's your job to go deeper. It's your job to like, that's the other thing about it is it's like, yeah, I don't know, a bunch of texts got assembled into like this thing we call a Bible, but it's like-

• 1:16:18Danny Jones?

  The infancy gospel, that's what it's called.

• 1:16:20Speaker 02

  The infancy gospel.

• 1:16:21Danny Jones?

  Of Thomas.

• 1:16:21Speaker 02

  You, you have to do your own work. You have to read the infancy gospel. You have to find it.

• 1:16:27Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:16:27Speaker 02

  Like you, you should like, seek this stuff out and not like, expect that like, power structures are gonna spoon feed this shit to you.

• 1:16:37Danny Jones?

  Right, exactly. Yeah, you do- You have to do that.

• 1:16:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:39Danny Jones?

  Reading some of this, some of that old stuff, really, it, it, it does something to your brain where like, did like the way they wrote, like you never read stuff like around the Beowulf era, like when Beowulf was written, or like Lord Byron, where he talks about like the serpent's conversation with Adam and Eve.

• 1:16:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:56Danny Jones?

  And Abel and Cain, like reading that stuff, like I have to like, it takes me like three hours to read two paragraphs. Just because of the way it was worded and, uh, again, you said it perfectly. It's not what society's trying to cram down your throat. It's not just like the canon, it's like all the other stuff around it is also really interesting. And I'm just like so fascinated by what the fuck people were doing 2,000 years ago. I'm like, maybe I'm like, I'm hyper focused on

• 1:17:26Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 1:17:26Danny Jones?

  corroborating maybe like some of the stuff that was peripheral to the Bible that was happening at the same time. Because I, you know, I, I understand like you can get a ton of value out of the stories in there and like, like how it ties into where you are in the moment and some different layer of, of the cosmos or whatever. But like also, I would love to take a time machine 2,000 years ago and see what the fuck Jesus was actually doing walking around. And like most people that want to do that stuff, they take all the other texts. They take like the medical texts, the historical texts, the philosoph- philosophy, the ancient comedy. And they figure out what all these fuckers were talking about in this same little time period. Like figure out maybe like what were they doing when they were walking around there?

• 1:18:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:10Danny Jones?

  Like, I would love to know what Jesus was really doing.

• 1:18:13Speaker 02

  Oh, man. Well, you know, the, um, so

• 1:18:20Speaker 02

  they asked Buddha, they were like, what's the most important? What's the most important thing? Cause there's a three jewels in Buddhism. That, that's the Buddha, the Dharma, the teaching and the Sangha, the community. So they asked him, what's the most important jewel? And, you know, his response was the Sangha, the community, the Sangha. And so.

• 1:18:45Speaker 02

  What he's saying there is you don't really need a time machine. In fact, based on that like explanation of the sort of guru teaching, the community around the guru, what's really the most important is the Sangha. Because in Christianity, they will say the church is the body of Christ. And so you don't need to go back in time. If you, what's fascinating about Jesus is you're looking at, you know, basically like right now, of course, you think you're a you, and I think I'm a me.

• 1:19:26Speaker 02

  And when we think of ourselves, we generally think of ourselves as just a body. It's me, even though really what you are is your community, what's around you, like your family, your, you know, surroundings. And all of this is makes you a you. Is this some Jungian shit? This isn't Jungian. This is, this could be, but it's really just reality. It's like you, every single one of us is interdependent. We have, we are, we have to, we depend on a billion different things working in perfect harmony to exist at all. And not, you know, obviously in the ecosystem. But if you look at any one of these, like this coffee cup,

• 1:20:10Speaker 02

  if you think of how many things went into just this one simple coffee cup, someone had to cut down a tree, there's dye, there was a factory, there was shipping, there was gas, there was like planning. Someone had to plan this fucking coffee cup out. Somebody actually had meetings about this very cup. So when you think about all the energy that went into just that cup, everything's like that. This cup is a transient passing form. It's going to be in a trash can pretty soon here. And it's going to be in a dump and it's going to disintegrate and then be a million other things. So that's you and me. We're part of this great, beautiful unfolding process that is so amazing in its complexity and simultaneous harmony. It's a miracle by itself.

• 1:20:55Speaker 02

  And so. Whenever you get these like actualized beings, a Jesus, a Buddha, there's so many others too, no one will ever hear about, then they, the group around them also becomes them. Brian Eno calls it seigneur. You get an Andy Warhol. Who? Brian Eno, he's a musician. Oh, okay. He calls it seigneur. So when you, the genius of a scene. So like Andy Warhol was, was Andy Warhol because he was surrounded by all these great artists. Lou Reed, all these people were around him, the factory or whatever. It was a whole brain. It was a group brain. And Andy Warhol became like the mascot, basically. But he, like, it wasn't just him.

• 1:21:37Speaker 02

  And so when you have like an enlightened being come around, inevitably, there's a conversion that happens. Everyone syncs up with that consciousness and it becomes actualized in their own right. And then that spreads. So yeah, killing Jesus was like trying to like kill like the, the, the first germ that called, caused a cold. It had already infected the consciousness of humanity. Whatever that was injected itself into like history and then is now forming as churches all over the place.

• 1:22:16Speaker 02

  Those are externalized organisms, you know, that are, you know, all still harmonizing around whatever that energy was. And that energy, it, it, it's, the reality of it is, it's, that past is gone. There's no fucking past. It's gone. There's just now, like right now. So, you know, you can experience that energy now, like, cause it's here in this moment, cause it's all there is. I mean, it's not woo woo to say that. This is all that's happening like right now. This is it. Whatever that is, who the fuck knows? It's dusty old scrolls someone jammed into a clay jar. Who gives a fuck?

• 1:23:02Speaker 02

  You knows, I don't know. But like, right now is what's happening. And the question is, Like, do these like, sort of like encrypted bits of data allow you to tune into the naughtness? Or not? Does it help you plug in to something fully here? And if it, and I think it does. It most certainly does. And, you know, it's not a dusty old thing. It's, it's alive right now. You know, the Dharma, whatever you want to call it.

• 1:23:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah. No, it's like, uh, we're, we're all individual little islands poking out of the ocean. But underneath, they're all connected.

• 1:23:42Speaker 02

  You got it.

• 1:23:43Danny Jones?

  It's all one big archipelago.

• 1:23:44Speaker 02

  You got it.

• 1:23:45Danny Jones?

  When the water comes down, you can see, you can see that.

• 1:23:47Speaker 02

  Beautiful.

• 1:23:47Danny Jones?

  Water's up, everyone lives on their own little island.

• 1:23:49Speaker 02

  Beautiful analogy. Yeah, man. That's it. And, and that's why, you know, there's so much trouble right now is because we, we, we, we are, I feel like we could be on the precipice of recognizing we're not really separate from each other. And that when that happens, you know, that's when we'll, that's the great shift.

• 1:24:12Danny Jones?

  That's what the astronauts talk about when they come back from the moon. When they see the world, they have that overview psychological.

• 1:24:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:24:19Danny Jones?

  Wires cross or something like that. They come back and they're just like, it does something to them. When they see the planet separate from them.

• 1:24:26Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. What do they call that? The overview effect?

• 1:24:31Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah. I think that's what it is.

• 1:24:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. They, they just, it just completely changes their lives because they recognize like, oh shit, we're all the same thing. We're, it's just, it's one thing.

• 1:24:41Danny Jones?

  Edgar Mc Mitchell talked about that, I think, on his way. I don't know if, uh, did he go to the moon? Did Edgar Mitchell go to the moon?

• 1:24:46Speaker 02

  Nobody went to the moon.

• 1:24:48Danny Jones?

  You don't think they did?

• 1:24:49Speaker 02

  Can you, can you do me a favor? I'm sorry to ask. Can you pull up moon landing footage? Just watch this. Now, just watch. Now imagine if like, for real, no one had gone to the moon. And I came on your podcast. I'm like, dude, I went to the moon.

• 1:25:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:04Speaker 02

  And you were like, shut the fuck up. I'm like, no, let me prove it. I'm going to show you video of me on the moon.

• 1:25:11Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:11Speaker 02

  Watch.

• 1:25:12Danny Jones?

  So wait, what's your position on the moon landing? What's your, what's your, what's, what do you really believe? If you had a gun to your head right now?

• 1:25:17Speaker 02

  That's it. You know, like that one, when, do the one where it just takes off.

• 1:25:24Speaker 02

  Now, this is my ship. See, I took that to the moon. That, that's my ship. I used a golf cart.

• 1:25:31Danny Jones?

  Wait till it takes off.

• 1:25:32Speaker 02

  And bye bye. And that's when I blasted off on my ship.

• 1:25:37Speaker 02

  But in the moon also, there were, I don't know why you couldn't see stars from the moon.

• 1:25:40Danny Jones?

  And they left somebody behind to film that.

• 1:25:42Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, exactly.

• 1:25:45Speaker 02

  Exactly. So, you know, did we go to the moon? I don't know.

• 1:25:49Danny Jones?

  What, what's your best guess? Like if you, if you were, if you were in Las Vegas and you're gonna win a million dollars if you're right?

• 1:25:55Speaker 02

  Ah. You know, it's a tricky question because I think we, where I get conspiratorial about it is I think we really might have gone to the moon. But the footage that we got from whatever the fuck is actually on the moon would have disrupted society so much that we had to reshoot. And so they got Stanley Kubrick. Cause they're like, dude, people can't see the, the artifacts. We can't, it's just, we, we can't do that right now. It's the fucking Cold War.

• 1:26:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:28Speaker 02

  The last thing people need to worry about is like apparently.

• 1:26:31Danny Jones?

  Cold War, there was so much fucking fuckery and deception and lying.

• 1:26:34Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 1:26:35Danny Jones?

  MKUltra going on, Charles Manson going on.

• 1:26:37Speaker 02

  You got it.

• 1:26:38Danny Jones?

  Have you seen the photo Jolly West with, with Stanley Kubrick?

• 1:26:41Speaker 02

  Dude, I just interviewed the author of Chaos and, um.

• 1:26:44Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:26:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:45Danny Jones?

  Tom?

• 1:26:46Speaker 02

  Yes, he's the best. Have you had him on?

• 1:26:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Funny enough, this goes back to our Marilyn Manson story because he started off the podcast with him telling me a story about how he stayed up all night with Marilyn Manson drinking tequila and doing drugs.

• 1:26:56Speaker 02

  I believe it. He is so cool. He's exactly the person you want him to be when you read that book. He is such a cool dude.

• 1:27:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he's awesome.

• 1:27:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. Jolly West. He like schooled me on Jolly West. I had no fucking idea.

• 1:27:09Danny Jones?

  There's a photo of Jolly West on the set of 2001 A Space Odyssey.

• 1:27:13Speaker 02

  Jolly West was like, like the CIA Forrest Gump. Like, you know what I mean? He was around everybody. It's so weird. It's so weird. But yeah, if you look at the setting, the moon landings happened and, and like, I don't, I want it to have happened.

• 1:27:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:32Speaker 02

  I, I, and the, I, I guess like where, where I run into problems with it, um, is like, I don't.

• 1:27:40Danny Jones?

  You're avoiding the Vegas question. Million dollars. Yes or no?

• 1:27:46Speaker 02

  I

• 1:27:48Danny Jones?

  Come on, just say it.

• 1:27:49Speaker 02

  It's really hard, man. No, it's a million dollars.

• 1:27:52Danny Jones?

  I'm gonna say no.

• 1:27:53Speaker 02

  I have kids.

• 1:27:54Danny Jones?

  I'll say no.

• 1:27:54Speaker 02

  I'm gonna think about it for a second, man. I gotta think. I gotta pray on it. A million fucking dollars? I got, I got three kids and one on the way. We need that money.

• 1:28:04Danny Jones?

  You have one on the way?

• 1:28:06Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:28:06Danny Jones?

  Oh, my God. You're nuts.

• 1:28:08Speaker 02

  So

• 1:28:10Speaker 02

  cuz I guess I'm gonna say, okay, to like, make it more specific.

• 1:28:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:28:15Speaker 02

  Is that footage we, we, we just watched? From the moon? I'm gonna say no. I'm saying no.

• 1:28:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:28:24Speaker 02

  You know, did we go to the moon? Wouldn't surprise me, but probably like, you're never gonna hear about that.

• 1:28:33Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the footage looks super fake.

• 1:28:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:28:35Danny Jones?

  And NASA, they're, you can ask ChatGPT. Do it. Ask ChatGPT, what happened to all the original footage and telemetry data from the moon landing? They said they accidentally rode over the tapes.

• 1:28:46Speaker 02

  Shit happens. Ah, fuck.

• 1:28:48Danny Jones?

  Money was tight. They couldn't buy more tapes.

• 1:28:50Speaker 02

  Dude, I'm so sorry. I wanted to record Dallas and I recorded it over the moon landing tapes. I'm sorry. Oh, shit. That was probably important stuff, huh? Oh, well.

• 1:29:03Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. Yeah.

• 1:29:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, look, it, I, the, the reality of it is, is like, I, I, I find it quite difficult to like, take anything the state is putting out there that seriously.

• 1:29:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:21Speaker 02

  That it's all, it's always at the best, a tiny piece of the truth and leaving out all this other shit because of national security. And so, who knows? Like, that, that, and I think we're all getting to that point, which is a little worrisome, actually, because this whole thing depended on people having real belief in their leadership and the government. And so now that like, you know, the Epstein stuff is like, you know, pointing in the direction of something that is, is in one way, very unifying. Like, it appears

• 1:29:59Danny Jones?

  That could unify us.

• 1:29:59Speaker 02

  The thing that people mostly agree on, thank God, is that you shouldn't

• 1:30:05Danny Jones?

  Be a child.

• 1:30:06Speaker 02

  Yeah. And so, this possibility that

• 1:30:13Speaker 02

  Super rich, powerful people are in an organized way abusing kids and then being protected because of how it would destabilize society. That could be the nail in the coffin of any state propaganda ever working ever again. Cause those documents are gonna come out and they're gonna be so redacted.

• 1:30:37Danny Jones?

  Well, the documents, fuck the documents, bro. You know, there's hard drives somewhere and they're probably sitting in television.

• 1:30:44Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:30:45Danny Jones?

  Did you see Trump allegedly sucked Bill Clinton's?

• 1:30:48Speaker 02

  Dude, I did.

• 1:30:51Danny Jones?

  How could you miss it?

• 1:30:51Speaker 02

  I did. And, and it's like, the, the thing is like, honestly, man, like if that was the only thing in there, Trump sucked Clinton's.

• 1:31:00Danny Jones?

  Better than World War III?

• 1:31:02Speaker 02

  It's like, dude, you know what? We've all had our party days. You know what I mean? I don't know what was going on there, but the, the other, it's, it's like, you know, there's a great podcast called Martyr Made. You ever listen to that?

• 1:31:18Danny Jones?

  I, I've never listened to it, but I've heard a lot about it.

• 1:31:20Speaker 02

  It's great. Daryl's awesome. And he does a whole Epstein series.

• 1:31:24Danny Jones?

  He's the guy who says Hitler was the good guy, right?

• 1:31:26Speaker 02

  He doesn't say that. You know what I mean? That's what everybody tells me. Oh, me too, cause I had him on my podcast there. You had a Nazi sympathizer on and you know, Daryl is a historian and.

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• 1:32:40Speaker 02

  I haven't, I haven't listened to all of his stuff, but like, he's a, he's like an anti-war Christian. And I went on his Substack, he responded, like, all these Nazis started thinking, like, because of his, like, take on World War II, that he was a Nazi sympathizer, and he, like, had to tell them, like, fuck off.

• 1:32:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:00Speaker 02

  But, basically, you got into, the way he puts it is this, World War II, and sorry, Daryl, if somehow you see this, and I just butcher what, you're genius, but, the, so, World War II, there's like, the, the story of World War II is good guy, bad guy, right? Nazis, obviously, fucking horrible. Axis, horrible. Allies, great. And so, he not only sort of breaks down, you know, what, what, we should wonder, what made Nazism take off, right? You don't want that to happen again. What happened there? How did that work? How did some, like, you know, mid-level artist, end up becoming, like, one of the most powerful

• 1:33:45Speaker 02

  people on planet Earth? How did, how did he go from being just like, some kind of, like, dude that people said was kind of awkward, to becoming, what you could argue, if you're looking for an Antichrist, there's one for you.

• 1:33:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:33:57Speaker 02

  So, that, along with a real simple question, which is like, okay, so, yes, obviously, like, genocide is indescribably horrific. So, is the answer to that, firebombing Dresden? Is the answer to that, burning down old growth forests in Germany? Is the answer to that, dropping nuclear bombs on cities? They killed so many people. Are we now making a distinction between this mass-killing good?

• 1:34:41Speaker 02

  This mass killing, bad. Aren't they all fucking bad?

• 1:34:45Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:34:46Speaker 02

  And so, because he's exploring that angle, which is

• 1:34:50Danny Jones?

  What are, does he, does he like go into like some literature that most people don't have access to? Or like, where does he learn all this shit?

• 1:34:57Speaker 02

  Dude, I sure wish I listened to podcasts in like a serious way. Cause when I was listening, I like, that's a really good question. I, and he does cite, and I don't think it's like obscure literature. I think like when you read about cities being firebombed, when you read about what that was like.

• 1:35:16Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:17Speaker 02

  You know, to, to walk through a city that had just been incinerated and just see corpses of children charred on the streets and stuff that you don't have to reach out to obscure. I mean, God, you could find documentaries on Hiroshima. You can, you know what I mean? You could firsthand accounts of like kids just getting like evaporated. And, you know, he's really pointing his finger towards like an anti-war place. Which is like, it's all, why are we trying to like paint a picture that any of this was good? War is failure.

• 1:35:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:52Speaker 02

  War is like.

• 1:35:54Danny Jones?

  The crazy thing though about, about people like him, I've never listened to his stuff. I'm sure it's great. He seems like a super smart, interesting dude. But like, I learned this from talking to JFK experts. I had a dude who wrote one of the like the most popular JFK books of all time. He was worked on the set of Oliver Stone's JFK film, the first one. And I was talking to him, I'm like, I'm like, who is the number one person who knows more about the JFK stuff than anyone? Like who's read all the documents? He goes, you know what? Funny enough, 99% of the JFK authors who wrote books on JFK haven't, haven't read any of the documents. He goes, all the JFK authors, they write their books based on previous books written about JFK.

• 1:36:33Speaker 02

  Shit.

• 1:36:33Danny Jones?

  He's like, there's only one guy who's actually read every single document. And I thought like, that's really interesting because of all people who are writing stuff about history are only basing it off other history books.

• 1:36:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:36:44Danny Jones?

  That those people wrote about other history books.

• 1:36:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 1:36:46Danny Jones?

  How do you know like?

• 1:36:47Speaker 02

  What's the source?

• 1:36:49Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:36:49Speaker 02

  What's the source? That's exactly. It becomes like turtles all the way down.

• 1:36:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:36:53Speaker 02

  It's like, or it's like with the thing they're saying with AI, the big problem is AI is now training itself on AI.

• 1:36:59Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:36:59Speaker 02

  You know what I mean? What now? Like, it doesn't have anything else. It's running out of data. Yeah, I, you know, I don't think it would be that hard. He does, like, I just don't remember. He does make a point of like, like in the Epstein series, he intentionally used left-leaning media sources so that like, he couldn't be, it couldn't be discounted as some kind of like, right-wing conspiracy shit. So he's like citing the New York Times and stuff. And so, you know, I think he does a really good job at that. And, but the Epstein series, it's not highly recommended, but it will, it's like, I don't know if you've ever watched like David Lynch movies, but it puts you in a weird mind state. It like, makes you feel strange.

• 1:37:43Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 1:37:43Speaker 02

  Listening to it, you don't want to believe that there are actually organized predatory groups that have been doing this in other countries. And that's what he's like, instead of like directly going at the Epstein stuff, he's like, let's look at other times the state has protected human traffickers. And it's happened a lot, man.

• 1:38:11Danny Jones?

  Look, I mean, I've talked to like former CIA folks who have said that when they're trying to recruit agents in other countries or sources in other third world countries, Middle Eastern countries or whatever, a lot of those people will only give you information in exchange for prostitutes, sometimes underage or of like the same sex. And it's like, if, when you go through that process to be evaluated to be in the CIA, they know what the fuck they're looking for. They're not finding people who are going to have the morals to say, no, I'm not going to get you a kid for this information that's going to give us national security intelligence that are going to help protect the country.

• 1:38:49Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:38:49Danny Jones?

  You want people in the CIA who are going to value that intelligence over traditional moral values.

• 1:38:57Speaker 02

  There you go.

• 1:38:58Danny Jones?

  So now imagine that you're a country with only a few million people who lives in the middle of this world surrounded by existential threats and you want to ensure the survival of your ethnicity, of your people, of your state. That's very threatened. Are you gonna consider sacrificing a few kids to get that done to ensure the survival of your race?

• 1:39:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, that's what Daryl talks about is that thing. That's the thing.

• 1:39:30Danny Jones?

  I don't think it's that unlikely.

• 1:39:32Speaker 02

  Well, that's the thing. He's like interested in that, which is like he's talking about like when we, what was it? The, I can't remember, this is an incident in Vietnam where we, I don't know, it's a famous, like, some group of soldiers just fucked up this village and when somehow like people found out about, I'm sure it happened other times and no one found out, but he's like, you can, you can read letters. These soldiers wrote to their families days before they were incinerating Vietnamese people and the letters are very sweet to their kids. Daddy loves you.

• 1:40:10Speaker 02

  And he's like, what is it in humans that transforms us from, you know, compassionate beings that generally want to help to like turning into a mob of violent psychopaths? What is that? And it's an important question because we don't want it to happen. And he's just talking about like, this is the psychology of the riot. This is the psychology of like every mass atrocity is generally an us or them emerges. They're bad. They become the scapegoat. If we get rid of the, fill in the blank, whatever it is filled in with any religion

• 1:40:53Speaker 02

  or ethnicity or whatever, they're the reason things are bad. And so he said, the real sad thing is quite often when eliminating whatever the perceived evil was, things do get better for a second, but they don't get better because you got rid of this group or that group. They get better because you actually worked. Together with your community in that pursuit. So it created this cohesive bond. And that is, you don't need to say this is the cause of all evil in the world. To have that cohesive bond. It's kind of like what Reagan said. We need an alien invasion to bring people together. That's what brings people together. It's so tragic.

• 1:41:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:36Speaker 02

  War, you have friends for life from war. You know what I mean? We're so starved of like, of what it feels like to work with a group of people. In a way that isn't like your job. That war is like, people fucking love it. It's what we're geared to do, to work together, to make things better in the world.

• 1:42:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah, what could give you more meaning than going to war for something?

• 1:42:03Speaker 02

  You got it. And, and so it's, it's, this is like a recurring pattern over and over and over and over and over and over again. There's a them, they're a direct threat to us. And that's justifies all the atrocities that have ever been done. It's because you just decide some group of people evil. You forget, no one's that different, man. It's really, we all want the same thing. We all want to be happy. We all want food in our bellies, roof over our head. That's across the board. No matter what language you speak, we forget that. And then boom, next thing you know, you're fucking dropping the fat boy.

• 1:42:45Speaker 02

  And it all makes sense in your head. This makes sense. Those people down there, they're not like my family. Those kids aren't like my kids.

• 1:42:53Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:54Speaker 02

  And, and, and you don't even feel bad. You just, you, you feel like an exterminator, you know? It's very sad, very sad.

• 1:43:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah. There was, um, this dude, John Kariaku, who's the CIA whistleblower. He just, he had a source that he just came out with, I think on a Substack. Who is like really close in the White House. Who, uh, told him.

• 1:43:18Danny Jones?

  That before Trump did the bombing on Iran, where they he like hit him with the hit the nuclear facilities in Iran with those bombs. You know how he like campaigned on like ending all wars and not fucking around and doing anything?

• 1:43:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:43:32Danny Jones?

  And then he went and bombed Iran during that that negotiation.

• 1:43:35Speaker 02

  A little disappointing.

• 1:43:36Danny Jones?

  So what John Kerry Akku said, who allegedly, he said he has a source that's like really, and he's like a former lifelong CIA guy who went to prison for blowing the whistle on the CIA's torture program. He has a a source that told him that Israel or Netanyahu told Trump that if he doesn't intervene with US military in Iran, they were gonna drop a nuke on Iran. So he's like, in hindsight, if that's real, then Trump did the right thing.

• 1:44:05Speaker 02

  The Samson option. The Samson option. Yeah, well, I mean, yeah.

• 1:44:10Danny Jones?

  Imagine that, though, like, imagine Israel Netanyahu told Trump, if you don't bomb them, I'm gonna drop a nuke. Well, they don't haven't even admitted to having nukes. They're not even in the.

• 1:44:19Speaker 02

  But everybody knows.

• 1:44:20Danny Jones?

  Everybody know, I mean, according to whistleblowers who've been blowing the whistle on it forever.

• 1:44:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:44:24Danny Jones?

  And they're not, but they're not in the treaty. But it's like, it's like, they're the ones that aren't allowed, they're they're allowed to have nukes, but like, everyone knows, but they're breaking the law by not like making it official.

• 1:44:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. It's wild, man. It's wild.

• 1:44:40Danny Jones?

  And how, you know, it's just, it's also just so wild how how it seems like he can't tell him no. And I think it all ties into the Epstein files. It has to. It has to tie into the Epstein files somehow.

• 1:44:54Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, this, this is sort of, it's, everything that's happening, it's not new. None of this is new.

• 1:45:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:45:04Speaker 02

  Like, you know, this level of war, it's always been there. Like, this is just part of like diplomacy. Diplomacy isn't just like, let's negotiate and compromise. Diplomacy is vicious.

• 1:45:18Danny Jones?

  Blackmail.

• 1:45:19Speaker 02

  Have anything you can do to get the job done.

• 1:45:23Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:45:23Speaker 02

  And so I, for me, that's comforting. Because if you start imagining what you're seeing is like some, something new at all, it it's not like, how long have people been using sex and blackmail to like puppeteer leaders? I mean, it's

• 1:45:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:45Speaker 02

  Such an effective. Way to do it too. And it's, it's so like for like, yeah. Are, are world leaders more than likely compromised? Well, yes, compromised in all kinds of ways, not just compromised for like, you know, the Epstein shit, though certainly many are, but compromised just from basic greed. I mean lobbyists, super PACs. It's like, certainly you can't really call it a representative democracy if the way people get into positions of power requires so much money.

• 1:46:28Speaker 02

  And that money is not coming from individuals. That money is generally coming from mega corporations and other state, other countries and done, and done in like fascinating ways. So it's like at that, so you know, the apocalypse literally means lifting of the veil. And so what people are beginning to, the new thing, I guess, is like on a global level, people are beginning to wake up to the reality that what our voices aren't really being heard or the voice of, of like, you know, actual citizens is being muted by the like

• 1:47:11Speaker 02

  voice of like powerful corporations. And, and that's really bad because like the founding fathers, the whole point of this fucking democracy and electing a president was to let the steam out, you know? Otherwise revolutions happen. You gotta let the steam out, depressurize it. You have a, a nonviolent revolution every four years. You get a new leader. And so if people start realizing that that hasn't, it doesn't work like that anymore. Whoo, this pressure builds and that's what we're all feeling, man. It's like this pressure is building because it's like, how like, it's becoming increasingly difficult to buy the show. The show is not believable anymore.

• 1:47:55Speaker 02

  It used to be more believable. You really bought into it, man. Now people are like, I'm not sure any of this shit is real. These people are not like morally upstanding people in the way you would, they, that was always a thing. Presidents had this kind of noble. Quality.

• 1:48:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:48:15Speaker 02

  They were, they were like powerful, gentle. They were for everyone and they had presidential speak. You know, that strange way that a leader talks and you bought it, man. You bought it. They were, but now people just aren't really like buying it anymore.

• 1:48:31Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:48:31Speaker 02

  And that's not good. They gotta get a better mascot in there. The Illuminati, dude, they're trying to save money on their fucking maitre d. Like you need to get some like, you gotta get another like JFK in there. You gotta get somebody who at least isn't fucking senile. You know what I mean? That was the beginning of the end. It's like you have this senile dementia president. It's like, dude, I'm not sure we need a president if that guy's the president. And so this is a real issue. You know, we don't buy it anymore.

• 1:49:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah, it's, it's, it's harder and harder for them to keep secrets from us with, with technology and with the social media stuff and, and everyone being an investigator on, on everything.

• 1:49:14Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 1:49:15Danny Jones?

  You know, like, uh, like look at fucking what Tucker's doing. He's like, he's pulling, trying to like pull the veil and expose the most crazy shit in society. Like interviewing Putin, uh, the, the tech guy who allegedly killed somebody accusing the tech guy of, of AI guy of murdering people. And like, dude,

• 1:49:35Speaker 02

  Sam Altman.

• 1:49:35Danny Jones?

  That's insane. He's like challenging other government leaders and like accusing like foreign governments of murdering people, like the fuck dudes like that are, it's insane that he's allowed.

• 1:49:48Speaker 02

  That was the name for it. Journalist.

• 1:49:50Danny Jones?

  That's right.

• 1:49:51Speaker 02

  But, but.

• 1:49:51Danny Jones?

  But again though, but that also ties into like what we were talking about earlier with like, with podcasts and shit on YouTube. It's like, you can't survive unless you are pushing the boundary so goddamn far. You're going to be afraid of, of fucking surviving another week.

• 1:50:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:08Danny Jones?

  You know, you, everything has got to be the end of the world.

• 1:50:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:11Danny Jones?

  Everything's gotta be just doomsday.

• 1:50:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:50:13Danny Jones?

  For it to get clicks on anything.

• 1:50:15Speaker 02

  Isn't that sad? It's so sad. It's like, because it's like, yeah, I guess like people are just getting high on fear. And that's like the, the drug of choice. Booze and fear and the and so then because you create a market pressure for fear, you want to create more creative versions of fear, more cinematic cinematic versions of fear. You're in the fear marketplace. You're a fear monger and it's tough on them streets, man. You gotta like come up with a really brand new good angle to freak people out about because that's what the algorithm likes. You don't even want to make it. You just know if I do some controversial shit, use a weird thumbnail with some kind of clickbait shit, it's gonna get way more action. That translates into money. And so

• 1:50:57Danny Jones?

  You're not going to become anybody if you have a middle of the road, moderate take on something.

• 1:51:01Speaker 02

  Dude, and what more satanic technology than that? An actual technology that harvests fear and like allows people to commodify paranoia and fear. Wow, that if there was a Satan, boy, he's happy about the algorithm, isn't he? He's like, this is amazing. Yeah. So, look, you know, while all of that chaos is going on, all the stuff, there's just this moment. And generally in this moment, everything's fine.

• 1:51:42Speaker 02

  Everything's great. Like, somebody like, you know, like, let's say for a second, like, just like, if I just stop for a moment, if we both just stop talking.

• 1:51:54Speaker 02

  Like, you feel that? Like, there's like this vibrant, beautiful energy in the present moment. It's amazing. Buddhism, they call it emptiness. People get confused by that term. But like, when you breathe out, right before you breathe in, there's this Buddhism is called the gap. There's this little space right there. And it's beautiful. And it's, it's, one of the ways Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche described it is fresh baked bread. It has a wholesome quality to it. It's like, it's, it's, it's a very sweet thing that is always happening. And all this shit that we're

• 1:52:36Speaker 02

  all addicted to, it distracts from that moment. That is an uncommodifiable place, by the way. It is.

• 1:52:46Speaker 02

  You can't sell the present moment, or they would have done it by now. It's free. And in that place that everyone's trying to get away from by buying shit, you don't really need anything, man. Like, you're fine. You're safe. You're okay. And, and in the, in the Bible, the first thing angels say when they appear to people is, be not afraid. Don't be afraid. It's the first thing, always. Like, it's okay. That's the message, loud and clear. It's been coming down the pipeline since people could talk. That's the great transcendent message. It's not really special. It's like, it's okay.

• 1:53:26Speaker 02

  It's okay. You're safe. You're fine. Ram Dass used to say dying is completely safe.

• 1:53:35Danny Jones?

  Dying is completely.

• 1:53:36Speaker 02

  Dying is safe. It is. Everyone's afraid of it. It's like the most natural process. And, and we're, and you know, like, I just had this wonderful teacher Ram Dass on my podcast. And, you know, you're, you're being, you're dying and being reborn over and over and over again. And every, every time you breathe out and breathe back in. And so this is, this place, it's not going anywhere. It's never gone anywhere, but always. There's millions of things that you can focus your attention on that will take you fully out of it and put you in a kind of numb, nullified state.

• 1:54:21Speaker 02

  Cause even saying it's fear, it's like, boy, it's fun to be afraid. When was the last time you were really afraid? It's exciting. Getting nice and scared. Maybe you watched a horror movie. Maybe you're like, I don't know, walking down the street, you're like, is that dude fucking following me? I ate too much weed. It feels good. It's a, it's a, it's kind of like a jolt. This is really, if you look at the way you feel when you're getting high on your phone. It's a numb, kind of like, I don't know, anesthetized feeling. It's sort of like.

• 1:54:54Danny Jones?

  You breathe different. You start to have like shallow breathing.

• 1:54:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:54:59Danny Jones?

  And you fucking.

• 1:55:00Speaker 02

  Get cum on your hand?

• 1:55:01Danny Jones?

  Get cum on your.

• 1:55:02Speaker 02

  What is that about the internet that gets cum on my hand?

• 1:55:08Danny Jones?

  Oh my god. Yeah, that's weird, man. It's uh, it definitely is a fucking drug. And it's probably being used as some sort of mind control now. I bet you the phones are the new MK Ultra. Because everyone on the phones are living in their own reality. And they have all their own, their algorithms are feeding them specific memes, whether you're getting memes about Trump blowing Clinton or memes about whatever it is. It's like, uh, you don't really, it's like you're in your own lane and you don't, you don't get to peek through to the other stuff. And um.

• 1:55:39Speaker 02

  And you could turn it off anytime you want. A vampire only goes where it's invited. Every time you decide to stare into the hypno rectangle. What is the difference between that and summoning some kind of like distraction demon into your life? It's like, you know, there's not enough fire and chaos and bombs and children getting blown up around me. So let me look through this window into hell.

• 1:56:09Danny Jones?

  Oh my god. That's fucking hilarious, dude.

• 1:56:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. And don't get me wrong. I'm addicted as anybody else, man. I'm not high-roating here. I'm just like, I've been addicted to enough things to know what, when I'm addicted.

• 1:56:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:23Speaker 02

  You know, and like, like I reckon.

• 1:56:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but at what point do you, at what point do you have to like decide to let go? Like, at what point do they start tethering every other aspect of life into the phone? And into the technology to where you need this stuff to just, uh, pay your bills? You know, if you want to, if you want to have health insurance, you gotta wear the Palantir ring.

• 1:56:42Speaker 02

  Digital ID.

• 1:56:44Danny Jones?

  Digital ID.

• 1:56:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, thumb, well, I mean, you know, you could.

• 1:56:47Danny Jones?

  The real ID.

• 1:56:48Speaker 02

  That's where we're headed, friend.

• 1:56:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:56:50Speaker 02

  There's no, I don't really think that there is, not to be a complete fucking defeatist here, but I don't really think. That it's it's and I recognize the irony that I'm wearing a Palantir hat. Um, when I say this, I don't think.

• 1:57:06Danny Jones?

  You gotta pay the bill somehow, bro.

• 1:57:08Speaker 02

  Don't, please don't start to, I'm wearing this to troll.

• 1:57:12Danny Jones?

  You have four children.

• 1:57:13Speaker 02

  People accuse me of getting paid by fucking Palantir. So now I wear it on any podcast because it's so funny to think that Palantir needs mid-level podcasters to work for them.

• 1:57:28Speaker 02

  But I don't think.

• 1:57:30Danny Jones?

  You would be their first pick, though.

• 1:57:31Speaker 02

  Why? I would be my last pick. If I was running some kind of surveillance, massive surveillance, I'm not letting my yappy ass anywhere near any of the secrets. But, you know, I don't think, I think that what you're describing, there's a great book, something like 12 Reasons to Delete Your Social Media Now by Jaron Lanier, early Silicon Valley dude. And basically, the way he describes it is,

• 1:58:00Speaker 02

  where we're headed is towards, you know, like BF Skinner, the Skinner box. He used it, okay, he's like, these are Skinner boxes. And the algorithm combined with AI, I think the algorithm is AI, but as AI advances, this thing is going to be increasingly distracting. And eventually, there will be no, like what you're describing, no way out.

• 1:58:22Danny Jones?

  To unplug.

• 1:58:23Speaker 02

  To unplug. And this is his nightmare scenario. Rocco's basilisk base, basically, the AI becomes like the, like some kind of like psychic prison for everybody. And I disagree with that. I do think that it will become inevitably deeper, like embedded deeper. Yeah, it's, yeah, I mean, clearly what we're looking at here is like, if you watch, if you, if you fast forward time. Starts as a giant, like, two-story building. That was old computers. Shrinks down onto your desktop, becomes a desktop computer. Then it shrinks down again. Now it's in our fucking pockets, right?

• 1:59:06Danny Jones?

  On your watch.

• 1:59:07Speaker 02

  And then it's on your head, VR, AR, those Ray-Ban fucking augmented reality glasses. That's gonna be the next iteration. And then, of course, we're going Black Mirror, the little thing you stick on your temple or some kind of injectable, right? And so what you're seeing is really the thing that has been happening on this planet since the get-go, which is this planet's a centrifuge and things get mixed together. This is why in our guts, in our, like, there's, you know, gut bacteria. That's not our shit. That's bacteria. We depend on colonies of bacteria.

• 1:59:46Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:59:46Speaker 02

  Living with us in this perfect symbiosis. And what you're seeing here is no different than that. I'm not calling it a species. It's technology, but just for the sake of shits and giggles, let's just say it's an invasive species.

• 2:00:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:00:00Speaker 02

  It's, it's, it is, it is, its roots are worked into everything already. And it might as well be embedded in our brains. We carry it around with us. We look at it every five, six minutes. We go to it for everything already. Of course, it's gonna get into our brains, because there's already plastic in our brains.

• 2:00:22Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:00:23Speaker 02

  And so we're merging with it. We will merge with it for better or for worse.

• 2:00:28Danny Jones?

  But how long does it take before it gets ahead of us on the evolutionary scale or on the predatory scale? At what point does it become the smarter thing? Because there's like, what is there? There's 20 million catalog species of animals on this earth. And there's 20 of them are hominids, and then one of the 20 hominids is the ones that we're able to figure out how to get off planet Earth and develop AI. So we're, us, human beings are like 0.001% of the species of Earth.

• 2:01:00Speaker 02

  Right.

• 2:01:00Danny Jones?

  And we're leaps and bounds ahead of number two.

• 2:01:03Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:01:04Danny Jones?

  And so at what point does this eclipse us? Do you think it does?

• 2:01:09Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I think the, the problem is, you have to ask, like, This is the argument for simulation theory. It's like if you're, if you like buy into like how long humans have been here, even go Graham Hancock level, like the amount of time we've been here relative to the age of the earth is not very long. And if you look at the, I don't know, agrarian revolution, you know, to the industrial revolution, you know, you see that, I'm sure people on this podcast talk about this, I'm fascinated by it.

• 2:01:42Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:01:42Speaker 02

  The amount of time between each of these massive social changes is like decreasing, like the amount of time between people learning to plant food and factories is long. The amount of time between factories and technology, not quite as long.

• 2:01:58Danny Jones?

  World War II, or I'm sorry, Civil War, muskets and the atomic bomb.

• 2:02:02Speaker 02

  Bingo.

• 2:02:03Danny Jones?

  Fifty years.

• 2:02:04Speaker 02

  Fifty years. And then the amount of time between the internet and AI, what is that? Like, how long is that? Like, what was that, 20 years, 30 years? So, and then each of these subsequent technologies accelerate the amount of time it takes to get to the next sort of milestone, right? And so, based on that, you know, you have to ask yourself, are, the question being, when is it going to eclipse us? It's like, oh, it already did.

• 2:02:32Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:02:33Speaker 02

  It eclipsed us.

• 2:02:34Danny Jones?

  You think we already hit the singularity?

• 2:02:36Speaker 02

  Well, I mean, I think it's quite possible. This is the argument for simulation theory is it's like, like, there is some probability that's not that low, that it already happened. And that somewhere along the way, humans got digitized. We upload our consciousness into some kind of experiential thing that we call a lifetime. We get to experience like, you know, some kind of training in each lifetime that we sort of decide to like enter into. It's a perfectly simulated reality. They realize going in there, knowing you're in a simulation, it won't be as effective when it comes to the training. And also, you know, just like the subjectivity of time itself theoretically.

• 2:03:19Speaker 02

  You know, there could be some kind of medicine that you could give someone that makes every second feel like a hundred years. So in like a minute, you could have 60 lifetimes within which you learn like all of these incredible skills. At the end of five minutes, you've become like adept at everything. At the end of an hour, you literally know everything. So just a simple hour of this kind of simulation would be an amazing way to train people. And so, you know, it could be that that's what's happening to us.

• 2:03:49Danny Jones?

  Have you seen the documentary that this dude Danny Golar's making? He has a theory. He has a theory. When you take DMT and you take a defracted laser and you shine it on a wall, you can see the code of the matrix.

• 2:04:00Speaker 02

  I fucking love it because it's so funny. It's like, yeah, somebody told me that on lasers, there's something in lasers that identifies. Identifies the lasers. And so it's like people getting super high, looking at some kind of thing in the laser that just is like, you know, when you flash it at a fucking, apparently you have to have that in there. I could be wrong. One of my friends told me that they're like, dude, they're just getting high on DMT and just seeing like basically like a barcode in the laser. And also I think it's funny.

• 2:04:32Danny Jones?

  Well, it looks like I did it. I did it and I tried.

• 2:04:34Speaker 02

  So is it real?

• 2:04:37Danny Jones?

  Let me tell you what I saw. I did the.

• 2:04:39Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. I've been wanting to do it. I've never met. Oh, I'm so excited. I'm sorry.

• 2:04:44Danny Jones?

  I did it twice.

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• 2:05:48Speaker 02

  I do it every morning when I wake up. I gotta see the Matrix.

• 2:05:53Danny Jones?

  No, so, uh, the first time I did it, I looked into the laser and all I saw was like millions and millions of spinning gears all connected to each other. But the weird thing was if you move the lasers, the gears don't move. It's almost like you're, you're showing like behind the wall or something that it's already there and the laser is like a flashlight just illuminating it. But it wasn't, there was no like Matrix code or anything like that. So I'm like, I'm like, maybe, yeah, it was gears. I'm like, maybe I didn't do enough or whatever. So I tried it again a couple of months later and I did way more. And, uh, I saw fucking dicks.

• 2:06:32Danny Jones?

  I saw millions of dicks that were encoded in like, in like Lord of the Rings text and they were everywhere.

• 2:06:41Speaker 02

  That's what they want us to know.

• 2:06:43Danny Jones?

  He was telling me, he was like, he was like recording me doing this. And I'm like, do you really want to know what I see? And he's like, yes, do you see the code? And I'm like, I see code, but it's, it's there, it's inscripted in millions of penises.

• 2:06:56Speaker 02

  I see dick people. You, you, well, you know what, man? It would really explain a lot. Like why, like we find out the reason disclosure hasn't happened is because aliens look like dicks. And there just is dicks, like everything outside of the earth realm is just dicks tattooed with higher. Dick people. That's what are in that, that's the, they made us. And they were like, you know what? Like, you know, the way people sign their art, they're like, put a dick on that thing. People know it came from us. That's cool, man. Well, I mean, look, you, I, I've no doubt that some.

• 2:07:38Speaker 02

  Level of the astral realm is dicks. Wouldn't surprise me at all. Why not? You know, but that is so funny.

• 2:07:46Danny Jones?

  But it's plus, I think psychedelics are like a largely placebo, right? I had somebody smart tell me this on the podcast, Hamilton Morris. You know who he is?

• 2:07:55Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:07:56Danny Jones?

  He had the show on Vice. He was, he was explaining how psychedelics are very much placebo, how they, they basically reinforce shit that's already in there. Or they bring out stuff that's already in your mind, like deep in your mind.

• 2:08:09Speaker 02

  Well, yeah.

• 2:08:10Danny Jones?

  So maybe I have dicks on my mind.

• 2:08:11Speaker 02

  You might have dicks on your mind. It's okay, man. Look, dicks are important.

• 2:08:17Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:08:17Speaker 02

  You know, I don't want to get political, but we need dicks. It's just the way it is. There's no way around it. We haven't figured it out. The world depends on dicks.

• 2:08:26Danny Jones?

  Yes, yes.

• 2:08:27Speaker 02

  At least human existence does. And yeah, I, you know, I think the...

• 2:08:35Danny Jones?

  But it is, the, the DMT thing is just very, it's very strange. I think, I think it could be, if we are living in a simulation, I would imagine radically altering your consciousness in some way might be able to, like if this is a video game, there's gotta be a way to like, see the edge of the map, you know?

• 2:08:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, there is. It's, it's acid and nitrous oxide.

• 2:08:59Danny Jones?

  Fuck yes.

• 2:09:00Speaker 02

  You'll see the grid, baby. You'll see the grid. Yeah, for sure. I mean, absolutely. And you know, the simulator, calling this a simulation is just a new technological way of describing what the Hindus call maya, which means illusion. And that's like, so it's again, it's just a way like modern people can understand the same idea, which is this thing that you're experiencing is not quite as real as you've been led to believe, and it's certainly not everything. And, um, and that's the spiritual.

• 2:09:35Speaker 02

  Journey, though I hate terms like that. That is it, is like, you know, the exploration of truth, like, and trying to understand what's really going on here and not getting lost in the weeds along the way. And their best reason to do that is because most people are suffering so much unnecessarily, you know? And that, that is an avoidable situation. As insane as that might sound to people who are suffering, you don't have to. You'll feel pain and stuff like that. But suffering, this fucking malaise that

• 2:10:19Speaker 02

  sneaks its way into a person's life. These teachings, they're just encoded, various ways of encoding a set of changes you can make in your own life that are going to reduce the amount of suffering that you've been experiencing. And then, once you could do that for yourself, you could do that for other people, too. You could, you're the walking proof, you know? That's the most important thing, you know? Is there a fucking wall of dicks behind the grid of reality? Sure. Are we on a mothership? Sure. Are we on a simulator? Sure. Are we in the hollow earth, like, experiencing what it's like to be on the exterior of it? Why not?

• 2:11:04Speaker 02

  But no matter what that grand reality is, the real question is, are you all right? Are you waking up every day? Happy to be awake? Are you, like, really connecting with your life? Are you really gonna ask yourself that, man? And that's the most important thing. We'll get to the fucking DMT dicks. But first, why don't we, like, figure out a way to, like, make ourselves happy? Within whatever this may be. That's my take, man. That's the most important thing. Other stuff is cool, though. It's fun to think about and it's fun to, like, Spend your time trying to decode the great conspiracies that are happening right now. I'm not saying stick your head in the sand.

• 2:11:49Speaker 02

  I'm just saying, make sure that you along the way are also looking into a much more important conspiracy, which is, why aren't you happy?

• 2:11:57Danny Jones?

  Right. What's your secret? How do you do it? How do you have the time to, to, to like do your comedy, have three kids? Do all these podcasts?

• 2:12:09Speaker 02

  Vodka.

• 2:12:10Danny Jones?

  Vodka?

• 2:12:12Danny Jones?

  I thought you were gonna say ketamine.

• 2:12:13Speaker 02

  I, I, it, first of all, to say I'm happy all the time, that's not the case at all. But there are like very simple things that you can apply to your own life that will reduce your, your anxiety. And it's very simple. It's so fucking obvious and simple, which is like, if you worry, if you're a worrier, which I used to be, just recognize it's a habit. You're, when, so if you sort of, mindfulness is the start. So come up with, like, look up anything on mindfulness, just a way of sort of being in the moment, observing your own reality. That's a good starting place. Meditation is one great way to do that, right?

• 2:12:55Speaker 02

  And so then you start becoming, in Tibetan Buddhism, meditation is called gom, which means becoming familiar with oneself. And so you're becoming familiar with your mind, the nature of your thinking mind. And you begin to realize, oh, my God, like, the shit your mind spits out is so ridiculous. Like, in any, in a minute, you can go from like, the most intense paranoid fantasy to wanting a cheeseburger in a minute. And so you realize your mind is just always producing these things that you have been calling thoughts. And that you, you've been sort of drawn to a set of these thoughts, which, like, the Buddhist teacher,

• 2:13:36Speaker 02

  Jack Kornfield, it's like, this is like, you know, the top 10 songs. Your, most people's brains produce top 10 worries, top 10 fears. You're always fixating on this or that, the problem in your life, the thing. Maybe it's worries about the federal government. Maybe it's worries about your health, your family, whatever it may be. And so what's happening there is that you're fixating on a fantasy.

• 2:14:02Speaker 02

  You're imagining the worst case scenario usually and you're or you that thing, you know, I don't know if you've ever gotten in a like a like a fight with someone in your own mind. You're literally in an argument with someone in your own mind that you think you're gonna have.

• 2:14:15Danny Jones?

  Yup.

• 2:14:15Speaker 02

  Now, what's happening there is habit and what's happening is you don't realize you have a lot more control over what you spend time thinking about. So what's amazing is you already have the discipline to do a kind of basic magic from with a K, which is you are disciplined to worry. You've disciplined yourself. You actually don't realize that you are a master at yoga. Only the yoga you're doing is the yoga of worry. You're good at it, man. Most of us are so good at it. You can just, you can just effortlessly fill your mind with

• 2:14:57Speaker 02

  the most eerie terrifying version of the future. It would no energy at all. It's it's very detailed, vivid. You can also do it with your past. You can remember the very worst thing from your past and forget all the other good times you've had. So the simple move is to replace those worries with, it doesn't have to be special. It can be anything, but start teaching yourself to habituate towards thinking about good things that you've done, wonderful things that you've done. And this practice will, it will change your

• 2:15:38Speaker 02

  life so quickly. And you begin to realize, because a lot of people think, they don't realize how connected their feelings are to their thoughts. They think, you know, that you don't realize like, yeah, of course you feel awful because you keep thinking about the worst thing that happened to you, the heartbreak, the tragedy, or what you think is going to come.

• 2:16:02Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:16:03Speaker 02

  And it's not happening. It's just this moment right now. Just watch what happens if you just replace it with

• 2:16:09Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 2:16:10Speaker 02

  Anything. Check out Psycho-Cybernetics. Great fucking book. You would love it.

• 2:16:13Danny Jones?

  Psycho-Cybernetics?

• 2:16:15Speaker 02

  It's such a dumb name, but it's a

• 2:16:16Danny Jones?

  That's a fucking sick name, I thought.

• 2:16:18Speaker 02

  I don't like it, but I do like the book. It's really, really good. It sort of details this and you know, it's, it's a, I generally like self-help doesn't do shit for me, but that's, it's a very effective, um, it's a very effective practice.

• 2:16:33Danny Jones?

  Duncan Trussell, thank you so much for your time, man.

• 2:16:36Speaker 02

  Thank you for letting me ramble. You're a great interviewer, man. I'm so glad that we got to do this.

• 2:16:40Danny Jones?

  I didn't have to do anything. You just fucking go. You're like a machine.

• 2:16:44Speaker 02

  Well, cause you let me.

• 2:16:45Danny Jones?

  Oh.

• 2:16:45Speaker 02

  Thank you. That's

• 2:16:46Danny Jones?

  Of course.

• 2:16:47Speaker 02

  That's a

• 2:16:47Danny Jones?

  You're welcome.

• 2:16:48Speaker 02

  I really appreciate it. Thank you.

• 2:16:50Danny Jones?

  Duncan Trussell Family Hour on YouTube and Spotify and all that stuff.

• 2:16:54Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:16:54Danny Jones?

  And then what else can people do to, uh?

• 2:16:56Speaker 02

  Well, you can watch the Midnight Gospel on Netflix and, um, yeah, man, I got a baby coming. So the, the show's here that I'm doing, which is why we're here together. Uh, that's my last, but you can find my dates at dunketrussell.com. Like in a few months, I'll get back on the road.

• 2:17:12Danny Jones?

  Fuck yes, dude. Thank you so much.

• 2:17:14Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 2:17:14Danny Jones?

  Hail Satan, everybody.

• 2:17:15Speaker 02

  Hare Krishna.

• 2:17:17Speaker 01

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