Zayn: Being Single is Freeing

Join Alex in Vegas as she catches up with Zayn at his residency! Zayn performs a new song and opens up about his past relationships, learning the difference between love and lust, and his current approach to dating. He also talks about fatherhood, giving too much money as the tooth fairy, gardening, and overcoming anxiety. Enjoy!

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• 0:00Alex Cooper?

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• 2:57Alex Cooper?

  What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy.

• 3:06Alex Cooper?

  Zane, welcome back to Call Her Daddy.

• 3:10Alex Cooper?

  I can't believe, I was thinking about this morning, I'm like, it has been, I think, almost three years since I last saw you.

• 3:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 3:16Alex Cooper?

  It's good to see you. How have you been?

• 3:18Speaker 01

  Uh, been good. Yeah. Just being a dad when I'm not working. Aside from that, yeah, we've done another album, kind of call, got it together like pretty much after I did the Stairway to the Sky Tour, felt the vibe, you know, on stage and stuff, seeing what people were like responding to, and then got back home, back to Pierre and was like super inspired to like make another record. I think I did it in like two weeks.

• 3:46Alex Cooper?

  I love it. You're like, I'm a dad. And then like when I'm not working, I'm like, oh, right, casual, like you're on stage performing and then you're just like back in Pennsylvania in your like little cozy.

• 3:54Speaker 01

  It's a bit of a contrast.

• 3:54Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, just a, just a little bit.

• 3:56Speaker 01

  Slight one.

• 3:57Alex Cooper?

  To anyone who isn't familiar or doesn't remember. The first episode that we ever recorded together was in my parents' house in Pennsylvania. Which is still a little bit of a mindfuck to me that we were. I remember when you left, there were kids in the cul-de-sac being like crashing into the tree being like, is that Zayn?

• 4:16Speaker 01

  Did people see me, yeah?

• 4:17Alex Cooper?

  Yes, there was like little kids in the cul-de-sac being like, wait, that's not.

• 4:20Speaker 01

  I didn't notice any kids.

• 4:21Alex Cooper?

  Well, because no one in Pennsylvania ever gets like a star-studded moment. So the fact that you're just casually leaving.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  That's why everyone thinks it's so weird that I lived there. Everyone's always like, yo, you're such a weirdo, why do you live in P A? But I just love it there.

• 4:32Alex Cooper?

  I love it.

• 4:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:34Alex Cooper?

  And now we're in Vegas because you have a residency here. So like from like Pennsylvania cul-de-sac to Vegas, like the vibes are just like a little different today. Just a little. I was thinking about it in that first interview. That was your first time really talking in almost seven years. So we kind of went through everything. We talked about your rise to fame. We talked about you walking away from One Direction. We talked about your early relationships. We went to almost everything. So today, I think we just hang out and catch up and have a little bit of fun. Um, how long have you been in Vegas?

• 5:06Speaker 01

  Uh, been here coming up to two weeks now. Uh, yeah, not too long.

• 5:12Alex Cooper?

  What have you been doing? Have you gone to the strip?

• 5:14Speaker 01

  No, I haven't been to the strip.

• 5:15Alex Cooper?

  Could you even go?

• 5:16Speaker 01

  I probably could. Like, um, I don't really go out with security and stuff. I kind of just like keep it low-key. It's me and like a couple of people from the team or whatever. So I think it like attracts less attention that way. Um, so yeah, I probably could go out. I just, it's not really my vibe. It is, I'm getting a bit old, like when I'm not working, I just want to go home and relax.

• 5:36Alex Cooper?

  How old are you again?

• 5:37Speaker 01

  Thirty-three.

• 5:39Alex Cooper?

  He's like, I am such an old man. Every thirty-three-year-old is like.

• 5:42Speaker 01

  I'm an old man.

• 5:44Alex Cooper?

  Everyone's like, keep that energy to yourself, saying you're not old, you're young. Wait, have you gone to the casinos?

• 5:48Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, we had a little look because obviously they had like the tables with my first honeymoon stuff. So I went to go check that out. That was fun. Yeah, but I'm not really a gambler either. It's not really my thing.

• 5:58Alex Cooper?

  Did you lose any money?

• 5:59Speaker 01

  Never really lost a big, yeah, amount of money in my life. Like I, I bet on fights and stuff, like UFC fights, boxing fights here and there if I know somebody's gonna win.

• 6:09Alex Cooper?

  How much?

• 6:09Speaker 01

  Uh, I've, I've won some decent money. I, I don't dare to disclose, but uh, I've won some decent money. Anthony Joshua uh, won me some money.

• 6:19Alex Cooper?

  So you're like, you're doing well for yourself in the betting arena.

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• 9:28Speaker 01

  Really?

• 9:28Alex Cooper?

  So I'm not like privy to the information of like, what is going on in Pennsylvania these days? Like, are you, like, do you have any hot gossip for me? Like, what's going on?

• 9:37Speaker 01

  What's going on in Pennsylvania? Uh, not much, to be honest. So that's why I lived there. Um, it's real quiet, calm out there, you know what I mean? There's not much going on and I don't really leave Magath. I'll be honest with you, I kind of just stay there.

• 9:49Alex Cooper?

  Do you have neighbors?

• 9:50Speaker 01

  I do have neighbors, yeah, but they're quite.

• 9:53Alex Cooper?

  Far away.

• 9:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:54Alex Cooper?

  Have you ever interacted with them?

• 9:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I have, yeah. We've got some, uh, I've got a new neighbor, next door neighbor. Um, moving like maybe, I want to say about five, six months ago now. So I sent them cookies and, you know, welcome to the neighborhood.

• 10:06Alex Cooper?

  You sent them cookies?

• 10:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 10:08Alex Cooper?

  Did you bake them?

• 10:09Speaker 01

  No, no, I sent it, sent them next door, but they sent their number back like, and like said, if you ever need anything, if you want us to watch the house or whatever.

• 10:15Alex Cooper?

  Sweet.

• 10:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's nice.

• 10:17Alex Cooper?

  What do you think they think of you?

• 10:19Speaker 01

  Uh, I'm not sure, you know? Um, I did have something quite funny happen, uh, recently. I was working at the house. I was filming something for Borderlands, uh, for the video game. We did the song and we had like a whole thing going on in the field, like smoke grenades and crazy shit. And somebody complained and was like. Zane doesn't own PA. I was like, I'm aware I don't own PA, but.

• 10:42Alex Cooper?

  They're like, hey, what's going on in the backyard?

• 10:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, they thought I was having like a crazy festival in the back garden, but I actually was just working.

• 10:49Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so you were causing like a little bit of a ruckus, but for the most part, you're usually dead silent.

• 10:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, pretty much, yeah.

• 10:55Alex Cooper?

  So you're like, give me a break, I'm not throwing parties. Just like throwing grenades.

• 10:58Speaker 01

  That's why I like the space, because I can put the music as loud as I want and I'm not really disturbing anybody, you know?

• 11:02Alex Cooper?

  Mm-hmm. Something that went so viral from our last episode together, which I thought was so wild, was you talking about your animals. The internet lost their minds. Okay, we talked about your cats, your dogs, your turtles, your chickens. Who do we have now? How are the animals doing?

• 11:20Speaker 01

  They're all pretty much the same, yeah. Yeah, I've got turtles, chickens, dogs, cats. I lost one of my cats, actually, recently.

• 11:28Alex Cooper?

  Which one?

• 11:28Speaker 01

  Vito, one of my Sphinxes. Yeah, it was kind of sad.

• 11:31Alex Cooper?

  I'm so sorry. You said that for the chickens, you also kind of stopped naming them at one point because it was too traumatizing when you would lose them.

• 11:38Speaker 01

  If something happens to them, yeah. So now they're just called the girls, that's it.

• 11:42Alex Cooper?

  So you're not naming them anymore?

• 11:43Speaker 01

  No, no names.

• 11:44Alex Cooper?

  So when you see your chickens in the morning, you're just greeting them as like?

• 11:49Speaker 01

  What's going on, girls?

• 11:52Speaker 01

  They're a collective now.

• 11:54Alex Cooper?

  Hey, girls. I'm trying to think of your fashion sense, right? You're kind of known as like, you've got some swag going on. When you're on the farm?

• 12:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:02Alex Cooper?

  What are you wearing?

• 12:05Alex Cooper?

  Like, are you in overalls?

• 12:06Speaker 01

  Uh, sometimes, actually, yeah. Sometimes I do wear overalls, I'm fully leaning to the farm thing, but yeah, not just relaxed, casual stuff, you know, jeans, t-shirt. Uh, checkered shirt from time to time.

• 12:19Alex Cooper?

  He is so Pennsylvania, it's crazy. You're wearing full flannels.

• 12:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it helps you blend in at Wawa's.

• 12:27Alex Cooper?

  Well, oh my god, I forgot, we talked about Wawa last time and I was like, honestly, you're a real one that you actually go there. Do you leave your house a lot and like go around in Pennsylvania? Like, are you shopping?

• 12:36Speaker 01

  I'm not gonna be a dick, I'm not gonna lie to you. I like DoorDash and Uber Eats quite a lot, yeah.

• 12:41Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I've never, you don't even know what McCaffrey's is, do you?

• 12:44Speaker 01

  Hmm.

• 12:45Alex Cooper?

  It's a grocery store, Zane.

• 12:47Speaker 01

  Okay, yeah, no, I don't know what McCaffrey's is.

• 12:49Alex Cooper?

  So you just give me Wawa because you're like, I know that's a Pennsylvania staple, but like, I've probably never even been?

• 12:54Speaker 01

  Uh, no, I've been to Wawa, I've been in there a few times, yeah, but I prefer to order from there. Because usually when I'm getting food from there, it's like three in the morning, so.

• 13:03Alex Cooper?

  Let's talk about gardening.

• 13:04Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:05Alex Cooper?

  I heard you've been up to gardening lately, which I feel like you weren't doing when I first met you.

• 13:09Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 13:10Alex Cooper?

  What are you growing over there in your overalls?

• 13:12Speaker 01

  Uh, I actually have been growing stuff for a minute, um, since I moved out to PA, maybe about a year after I was living out there. I just realized there's so much land, like you can just mess around in, in the modern shit. Um, so yeah, I grow all kinds of different stuff, uh, melons, tomatoes, carrots, onions, uh, eggplant, pumpkin, cucumber. Uh, all kinds of chilies, like chili plants grow really well there too. Um, yeah, all kinds of stuff, jalapenos, bullet chilies.

• 13:41Alex Cooper?

  And then are you taking these and then you're cooking?

• 13:43Speaker 01

  Yeah, I take them. I freeze a lot of the chilies because you can't use them all at once, you know, unless you wanna die. But yeah, we freeze a lot of stuff and keep it.

• 13:52Alex Cooper?

  I have been wanting to do that, like I probably will never do it, but I'm like in a dream world, I'm like, I should be gardening. But like, what has, what's the plant that's really frustrated you the most?

• 14:03Speaker 01

  Frustrated me, um, probably either cucumber or, um, pumpkin.

• 14:11Alex Cooper?

  Why?

• 14:12Speaker 01

  Cause it's like a aggressive plant, like it's invasive, I think is the term they use for it. And it just overtakes everything else because it's got vines and they kind of have a mind of their own. And they just strangle your other plants and suffocate them for the light.

• 14:25Alex Cooper?

  Okay, good to know. So like I shouldn't even try with cucumbers?

• 14:28Speaker 01

  Don't put tomatoes or cucumbers near anything, you know, they have to be by themselves.

• 14:31Alex Cooper?

  I mean, I need to get a list from you, like if you're gonna put these in this area that, okay, so you're pretty like expert at this point.

• 14:36Speaker 01

  I won't say expert, I'm all right, but yeah, and you're about to ask me some questions about it.

• 14:39Alex Cooper?

  No, maybe off camera, I'm like, okay, for an idiot like me, what's the first thing that's the easiest to grow?

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Um, probably something simple, like, um, onions or carrots. They tend to grow quite well. It don't really matter what the climate's like either.

• 14:56Alex Cooper?

  See, these are the important things we need, Dane. Like I know this is Call Her Daddy, but like you've got a brain of your own over there that I feel like you're like, have a lot of weird wisdom. And this is what I'm trying to soak up, okay? Um, let's talk about woodworking.

• 15:11Alex Cooper?

  I heard from a little birdie that that's also a new hobby of yours. What are you doing?

• 15:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like to carve things out of wood. Yeah, like small pieces of wood, not like big projects or anything, but like small blocks of wood and like carve like bears out of them and stuff.

• 15:26Alex Cooper?

  A bear?

• 15:27Speaker 01

  Bear. I can do bird now.

• 15:31Alex Cooper?

  Hold on. So walk me through that. You've got a knife or how do you do it?

• 15:35Speaker 01

  It's a carving knife. You can get like sets that are specifically made for that, like for soft wood.

• 15:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I just watch like random YouTube videos of people doing it and then just copy it.

• 15:45Alex Cooper?

  Are you just like hoarding all of this stuff or are you giving it away as gifts?

• 15:49Speaker 01

  Um, I was actually at one point thinking it'd be really sick to like give them to people as Christmas presents or whatever because it takes a lot of time and it's thought and effort. But the only ones I've done so far, Kai has, like I did them for Kai and she keeps them on her shelf like.

• 16:03Alex Cooper?

  Cute. Have you given her a bird or a bear?

• 16:06Speaker 01

  Uh, she's got like four bears because it's like practice, you know?

• 16:11Alex Cooper?

  Right, the first one's like so bad?

• 16:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, shit, it just got better, yeah.

• 16:15Alex Cooper?

  That's really cute.

• 16:16Speaker 01

  And yeah, bird, she's got like a little bird.

• 16:17Alex Cooper?

  I'm interested to know, like, I feel like a first date, a lot of people, that's a classic question. Someone would be like, tell me about your hobbies. Like, what's a hobby of yours? It's like a classic question. What do you think would be one of the most attractive hobbies someone could have? Because you obviously are a man of quite interesting hobbies.

• 16:36Speaker 01

  Yeah, um, the most attractive hobby that I think somebody could have um is probably reading.

• 16:46Speaker 01

  Because you get information from that, you know, it gives you some stimulus for conversation.

• 16:51Alex Cooper?

  You want an intellectual woman?

• 16:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, ma- ma- maybe someday.

• 16:57Alex Cooper?

  You're like, Alex, stop it. Wait, so would you ever like start a little book club with someone?

• 17:04Speaker 01

  A book club, yeah, maybe, yeah, when I get a bit older, yeah, it'd be kinda cute.

• 17:08Alex Cooper?

  Wait, why do I feel like in Pennsylvania, I'm gonna see you in the next three years and you're gonna be like, Alex, that idea sparked something and I have a full Pennsylvania book club and it's gonna be just you and a bunch of women.

• 17:18Speaker 01

  And I've actually made some friends in PA now, thank you, Alex.

• 17:21Alex Cooper?

  I love how you think that like people wouldn't wanna be your friend in PA, like everyone wants to be your, you just have to leave your house, but a book club is an easy way. Maybe you start with the old couple that lives next to you.

• 17:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 17:32Alex Cooper?

  Let me know, let me know if you get into it.

• 17:34Speaker 01

  I'll let you know.

• 17:35Alex Cooper?

  When you start something new, obviously there's like a bit of a learning curve and I think you're someone who is so successful and you're obviously a very talented person, but how does it make you feel when you maybe are kind of at a beginner's level with things that you're taking on and it takes time to get good at something, do you like that?

• 17:52Speaker 01

  That's, yeah, why I get into so many weird, random things, I enjoy that feeling. I enjoyed the, the beginning stage of not being good at something and then seeing the progression, you know, like over the years, putting that time in. Even when I was a little kid, in a weird way, like when I was like eight, nine, that was what it was that enticed me about wanting to do music. I wasn't great, you know, you don't just come out and, you know, you're amazing at things. I was really rubbish, you know, I couldn't sing at all, like I had to work hard and practice and...

• 18:24Alex Cooper?

  You actually think you couldn't sing at all?

• 18:25Speaker 01

  Oh shit, man, well, eight, nine-year-old me, yeah, terrible, yeah, I won't put that kid on stage, no.

• 18:31Alex Cooper?

  Okay, but terrible by your standard or if a video came out of you at eight, like...

• 18:35Speaker 01

  They might think it's cute, you know, like I was quite, I was quite cute, but it's definitely not good. Yeah, talent level has definitely increased, I'd like to say.

• 18:43Alex Cooper?

  The pitch wasn't there?

• 18:44Speaker 01

  No.

• 18:45Alex Cooper?

  What is your relationship to perfectionism?

• 18:49Speaker 01

  Again, closely related to the previous question, you know, I enjoyed this idea of, of striving for perfection, I'm also very aware that it doesn't exist. So I just drive myself a little bit insane with it. But I feel like it's healthy because it pushes you further, you know, pushes the boundaries, makes you get better.

• 19:08Alex Cooper?

  You said in an interview that you like leaning into simple things where there's no infiltration from other people's expectations. How much pressure do you put on yourself to live up to other people's standards?

• 19:23Speaker 01

  None.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:26Alex Cooper?

  Have you always been like that?

• 19:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I really don't give a shit. Yeah. That's, that's why I kind of like stick to myself, just keep to myself. I'm not doing things for other people's approval.

• 19:36Speaker 01

  You can't keep everybody happy, you know, it's not, it's not really a thing that you can achieve. Some people are gonna like you, some people are not. At the end of the day, I think it's more important to like, like yourself.

• 19:45Alex Cooper?

  That's a really incredible quality to have, because I think, I mean, I've sat down with a lot of people and I feel like a lot of people would say I've gotten to that point, but I haven't always been that way. And to hear that you have, like, how do you think you've always just been kind of secure and comfortable with yourself? Like, what do you attribute that to?

• 20:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't even know if it's so much I would say I am secure and comfortable with myself. I strive for that, you know? Um, and that's the most important thing for me, like if I'm cool with myself. Um, and yeah, like, I guess you do that by just, you know, living in your truth, like, um, and not really caring, you know, about impressing other people. Um, I don't know where it comes from, I just, yeah, it's just never been a thing.

• 20:31Alex Cooper?

  It's really incredible to hear you talk like that, though. I feel like as someone who's so public and you've been obviously in music for so long, I'm curious to know what your and how you would describe your relationship to masculinity.

• 20:47Speaker 01

  Um, I think my relationship with masculinity is, uh, unconventional in a way. Um, I'm very aware of what toxic masculinity is and I try to stay away from that. Um, and I like to do things that, you know, people wouldn't necessarily think that I would do, you know?

• 21:07Alex Cooper?

  Give me some examples.

• 21:09Speaker 01

  Like, in, you know, in a, in a cultural sense, I feel like, um, in the last like ten, fifteen years, things have changed, you know, like what's appropriate for guys to do and what's appropriate for females to do. Um, cooking, you know, things like that, I don't think, you know. Ten years ago, people, dudes were really out here being like, yo, I like cooking, you know, in my spare time. Or, uh, I cry, Bluey, or, you know, whatever, like, um, just being honest. You know what I mean? With the things like, you don't have to always be the cool macho dude, you know? I guess that's my relationship with masculinity. I feel like there's much more strength in vulnerability and honesty, yeah.

• 21:46Alex Cooper?

  Are you sitting there crying at Bluey and Kai is like, dad, what are you doing?

• 21:50Speaker 01

  Occasionally, yeah. She, she's always a little bit embarrassed with me, yeah. Always my emotional feelings as a parent.

• 21:56Alex Cooper?

  That's actually amazing. Like, I can picture the visual and you're like, oh, sorry.

• 22:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, whoops.

• 22:01Alex Cooper?

  Didn't mean that. Um, how do you think having a daughter has impacted the way that you think about how society and men treat women?

• 22:13Speaker 01

  Uh, that's a very interesting question. Uh, for me personally, um, I feel like I've always thought about that anywhere because I have three sisters and five aunties and it's a big, you know, female family. So I've been forced to hear nothing but female opinions for a very long time. Um, the, uh, you know, me having a child, becoming a father, has definitely amplified it further. Um, and I guess just made me be more consciously aware that, you know, any woman I am having an interaction with or speaking to is somebody's daughter or sister, you know, and just makes you approach that with a little bit more respect, I guess.

• 22:54Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. As a dad, what is your biggest wish for Kai?

• 22:59Speaker 01

  Um, honestly, I just hope that she gets to do in life whatever she wishes to do and she's happy, yeah.

• 23:07Alex Cooper?

  I remember last time we talked, you were saying how she was, you would sing to her and like she was enjoying that. Like, what currently does she want to be when she grows up?

• 23:16Speaker 01

  She definitely wants to be a K-pop star. So, yeah, she's big into K-pop.

• 23:22Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god, how do you feel about that?

• 23:25Speaker 01

  I'd like to keep her away from it, you know? But at the end of the day, if she's happy, like I said, you know, I'll support her.

• 23:30Alex Cooper?

  Can you imagine you being like, no, you can't be in a girl group? And then she's like, really, dad? You're a hypocrite.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  And you're like, yeah, I won't be able to say that, yeah. So I'm just gonna have to support her. But me personally, yeah, I would like to keep her away from some of the headache that this job entails, you know?

• 23:48Alex Cooper?

  Keep her in the Pennsylvania world.

• 23:50Speaker 01

  That's it, yeah.

• 23:51Alex Cooper?

  Keep her on the farm.

• 23:51Speaker 01

  With the chickens and the animals and shit.

• 23:53Alex Cooper?

  Keep her with the girls.

• 23:57Alex Cooper?

  Okay, last time we also talked, you said that you took Kai to the Nickelodeon theme park? And you guys had the best time. What is another fun or special thing that you've gotten to do with her since then?

• 24:08Speaker 01

  Uh, we've done quite a bit since then. I took her to Monster Jam not long ago.

• 24:14Alex Cooper?

  What is that?

• 24:15Speaker 01

  The Monster Truck Show, which I was convinced that they were gonna be like slamming into each other 100 miles an hour. They don't do that. They just kinda like do like bounces around on the sand for like an hour and a half. So a little bit anticlimactic for me, but Kai enjoyed it. And then I think we went to go see Blackpink live, took her there.

• 24:34Alex Cooper?

  How good. So good. I just saw them in Japan and it was amazing. It's so fun. They're really good. Wait, so did you suggest the Monster Jam thing or did she?

• 24:46Speaker 01

  She actually suggested it. I think somebody in school told her about it and she was like, dad, we should go here. And I think she knew I was gonna kinda like it too. So she was like, I'll take my dad somewhere where he will enjoy it. Um, yeah, it was fun. She was right.

• 24:59Alex Cooper?

  We had talked about, and you had shared with me about growing up with financial instability and insecurities. What does it mean to you to be able to provide so much for your daughter without that level of stress?

• 25:12Speaker 01

  I'm so glad you asked me that question. Um, it's everything. Um, even to the degree that like, you know, I'm raising her in an environment that, you know, isn't the same as everybody's. You know, her dad is a pop star, her mom is a model. Um, and certain things that she does in life might not, you know, always reflect what other people's understanding of reality is, you know? So I think I gave her a bit too much money from the tooth fairy.

• 25:39Alex Cooper?

  How much are we talking?

• 25:42Speaker 01

  500 quid.

• 25:45Alex Cooper?

  Zane.

• 25:45Speaker 01

  It's her first tooth.

• 25:46Alex Cooper?

  Hold on.

• 25:47Speaker 01

  And her mom gave me shit about it and I was like, at the end of the day, like, I worked my ass off and like, I should be able to give my kid what I wanna give her, you know?

• 25:55Alex Cooper?

  Hold on, hold on, hold on. I may have to agree with her mom on this, hold on.

• 25:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, a lot of people do.

• 26:01Alex Cooper?

  Five hundred dollars for one tooth?

• 26:03Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's her first tooth though.

• 26:05Alex Cooper?

  But then what's gonna happen with the second one?

• 26:07Speaker 01

  She gets five. Yeah, that's it. The first tooth, I'm gonna keep that one and frame it.

• 26:14Alex Cooper?

  She's gonna be like, dad, what is this shit? It's like a one dollar bill. She were like...

• 26:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's it. Two fairies, two fairies gone broke now. She's not giving you anything else.

• 26:23Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god, five hundred dollars is so crazy, but also, every person is so jealous right now, being like, wow.

• 26:30Speaker 01

  She's my first kid.

• 26:31Alex Cooper?

  I know.

• 26:32Speaker 01

  Give me a break, somebody, please.

• 26:35Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I do give you a break, you're...

• 26:36Speaker 01

  Not you, I'm just saying...

• 26:37Alex Cooper?

  No, no, I know.

• 26:38Speaker 01

  People in general, like, obviously look at it the same type of way, but look, at the end of the day, I was lucky if I got anything for my teeth, you know? And I've worked really hard for everything I've earned, so I don't feel like I should have to answer for them things, you know?

• 26:53Alex Cooper?

  I think it's a great point, and I think I obviously don't have kids yet, but I think a lot of becoming a parent is trying to right the wrongs of things that you wish you...

• 27:04Speaker 01

  And there's definitely that too, you know what I mean? That like, feeling of, you know, I didn't get to do this, so I want you to be able to feel this, and I overcompensate a little bit too much sometimes for that, yeah, for sure, a home hands up.

• 27:14Alex Cooper?

  Well, it's also coming from such a genuinely good place, like, you saying like, I'm so excited that I'm able to give this to her.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  To do it for her, yeah.

• 27:21Alex Cooper?

  No one ever did that for me. You said, she's obviously like your only kid, like, would you want more kids ever?

• 27:28Speaker 01

  I do, yeah. It's not something of like, I'm like actively trying to pursue, but yeah, for sure, I would like more kids.

• 27:37Speaker 01

  Obviously Kai would have to approve too, cuz she's got the highest opinion, you know? Uh, but yeah, never say never.

• 27:45Alex Cooper?

  I love that too. She'd be the full head honcho, like she's the oldest. Would you want big or smaller? Like, would you want a lot of kids?

• 27:52Speaker 01

  Like a big family?

• 27:53Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 27:53Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, definitely. I come from a big family. I seen someone in a, in a stand-up show the other day. And this guy was talking on stage and he was like, you know, when I used to watch Full House, like as a kid, if that was any other ethnicity family, it would just be called House. Not Full House. And I was like, it's so true. Cause like, we had like fifteen people in the house all day, every day, you know? So yeah, it's something I'm used to. I'm enjoying the, you know, the peace and quiet of it just being me and Kai. But eventually, yeah, like I'd like to lean into that. Yeah, maybe, I'd say like maybe four. Not more than four.

• 28:30Alex Cooper?

  Okay, no more?

• 28:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:31Alex Cooper?

  And then you get four and you're like, okay, one more.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  Maybe, we'll see.

• 28:33Alex Cooper?

  We'll, we'll see, we'll see.

• 28:35Speaker 01

  I guess I'd have to find a partner first.

• 28:36Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, wait, shit. We'll get there, we'll get there. We'll talk about dating.

• 28:39Speaker 01

  I have to ask her as well, you know, it's not, it's not really on me.

• 28:42Alex Cooper?

  You're like, we can pretend all day, Alex, but.

• 28:45Speaker 01

  It's really up to the woman.

• 28:46Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um. How do you think though your upbringing has also influenced your parenting style now?

• 28:53Speaker 01

  Um, I thought my upbringing was gonna influence my parenting style in a way that I would be super strict and, and like, you know, regimented with everything. And it's the complete opposite. Like, um, I do not care to admit that I'm a complete pushover when it comes to my daughter. She looks at me a type of way and I just kinda just like melt a little bit and then just give in to her.

• 29:16Alex Cooper?

  Like, what is an example she gets away with?

• 29:18Speaker 01

  Uh, whenever she wants like a candy or something that she's not meant to be having, or it's a bit late and she don't wanna go to sleep, she's like, can I watch one more cartoon? And I'm like, yeah, you can, yeah, yeah.

• 29:30Alex Cooper?

  I love that for Kai. Um, you told me that spending time with your daughter has helped you reconnect with your own inner child. What has that looked like for you over the years?

• 29:40Speaker 01

  Uh, my own inner child has always been pretty loud. Um, and prominent in my personality. I think it's the reason I'm a creative. Um, I like paying in and, you know, doing things that. Might be more appealing to, you know, people of a younger age. Um, but since doing it with her, she's just kind of brought a lot of things back for me. Like, um, how much I enjoy doing them things, you know, during the day, watching cartoons, things like that, like watching films and just enjoying kiddie stuff with her, you know, messing around with Play-Doh and sand and all the messy shit.

• 30:17Alex Cooper?

  All the good stuff.

• 30:18Speaker 01

  Yeah, no glitter though. Glitter's not allowed in my house.

• 30:21Alex Cooper?

  Why?

• 30:22Speaker 01

  Because I hate it. I hate glitter.

• 30:24Alex Cooper?

  So if she came to you and said, dad.

• 30:26Speaker 01

  She's not allowed. She know, she wouldn't even ask me. She knows she'll be hiding little vows of glitter to put on her at work.

• 30:32Alex Cooper?

  What bad experience did you have with glitter?

• 30:34Speaker 01

  I just hear glitter goes everywhere. It gets on everything, gets stuck on your face and your eyes and your nose. It's weird. Yeah.

• 30:41Alex Cooper?

  So that's where you will not be a pushover.

• 30:42Speaker 01

  So I draw the line.

• 30:43Alex Cooper?

  Okay, good to know. It's glitter. Zane's line is glitter for his daughter. Got it.

• 31:04Alex Cooper?

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• 31:46Alex Cooper?

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• 32:29Alex Cooper?

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• 33:12Alex Cooper?

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• 33:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:48Alex Cooper?

  When you look back, What do you remember feeling? Like, were you scared at all? Were you nervous?

• 33:53Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely. I was, I was very nervous, yeah. It's something I'd always really, like, looked forward to. And I remember my parents even saying to me, my father used to say to me, "Oh, when you have a kid, yourself, that's when you're gonna grow up," you know? So it was always like this hinge point in my mind where I was like, "Oh, when I get there, this will happen," you know? So I was kinda just expecting a lot of things to happen that didn't and kinda, you know, over emptying or preempting what, you know, was gonna be the situation and just putting, you know, eighty years of pressure over a lifespan on myself in five minutes finding out that my girlfriend's pregnant. You know what I mean? So it was a lot.

• 34:36Speaker 01

  But in reality, it's been, it's been completely different, you know? You take it a day at a time and she's such an amazing human being that I just feel honored, really, without sounding too cheesy, to just be her dad and be around her, yeah.

• 34:50Alex Cooper?

  Isn't that so weird, though? Like, when you grow up, you have these ideas of adults and then you become an adult and you're like, "Wait, being an adult is kind of like, you're not actually an adult?"

• 34:58Speaker 01

  Oh, nobody has a fucking clue what they're doing. No one ever did. Everyone was just lying to me.

• 35:03Alex Cooper?

  It's so crazy. We look at our parents and we're like, "Oh, my God, like, you're so old."

• 35:06Speaker 01

  You've got it all figured out. You know everything. Well, yeah, they don't know anything either.

• 35:09Alex Cooper?

  They don't know anything.

• 35:10Speaker 01

  They're just as scared as you.

• 35:11Alex Cooper?

  Right? So I do think it's also weird. It's like when you hit these milestones in life, we have a expectation of exactly what we're gonna feel, like, "Oh, I'll be changed. I'll be better. I'll be this." And then you get there and it's like you're still the same person. Like, your life doesn't just change completely overnight like that. So it is helpful as you go through those big life stages to kind of give yourself grace in those moments. To be like, "Huh, so then everyone must feel this way. It's not just me," right?

• 35:37Speaker 01

  You would hope so, anyway.

• 35:38Alex Cooper?

  Um, okay, we have to talk a little bit about dating. But I already feel like I know your answer.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  D-Day?

• 35:44Alex Cooper?

  What?

• 35:45Speaker 01

  We have to talk about D-Day?

• 35:46Alex Cooper?

  What did you just say?

• 35:47Speaker 01

  Did you just say D-Day?

• 35:48Alex Cooper?

  No, dating.

• 35:50Speaker 01

  Dating? I thought you said we have to talk about D-Day. I was like, "What is this? I don't even know what this is."

• 35:54Alex Cooper?

  D-Day? Dating? Which maybe to you feels like me asking about D-Day because you're like, that's like Freudian moment. You're like, "No, wait, what? DJ? Fuck." Are you seeing anyone right now?

• 36:05Speaker 01

  No.

• 36:06Alex Cooper?

  I knew you were gonna say that. Not even like texting?

• 36:11Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 36:13Alex Cooper?

  That's fair. You're not dating. You're just, you're talking.

• 36:17Speaker 01

  I've got a few friends, yeah. But no, no, I'm not, I'm not dating anybody.

• 36:22Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so a few friends. Um, you went on Tinder once, right? You, did you ever make it out of the app?

• 36:28Speaker 01

  Uh, no one ever believed it was me, to be honest with you, so it didn't really work for me. Uh, but, yeah.

• 36:34Alex Cooper?

  What was your profile picture?

• 36:36Speaker 01

  Of me?

• 36:37Alex Cooper?

  But like, was it from Google?

• 36:38Speaker 01

  No, no, it's on the app, like, camera all pictures.

• 36:41Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so like, it wasn't online that you could find it?

• 36:44Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 36:45Alex Cooper?

  Well, that's like the tell, they should have known it was.

• 36:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, but what are they gonna do, search online?

• 36:48Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, fair.

• 36:49Speaker 01

  Is this photo from online?

• 36:50Alex Cooper?

  So dating apps are not for you anymore?

• 36:51Speaker 01

  Not really.

• 36:53Alex Cooper?

  How has being a dad impacted the way that you approach dating right now?

• 36:58Speaker 01

  Um, I don't know if being a dad's changed, um, the way I approach dating. I guess the only, um, difference with that is the time, you know? Like I said, when I'm not working with Kai. So like, finding the time to even go on dates and do that kind of stuff is, is, is a bit difficult, I'll be honest with you.

• 37:18Alex Cooper?

  What would it take for you to introduce someone to your daughter?

• 37:21Speaker 01

  Um, I think I'd have to be really serious, um, about that woman. And like, maybe plan on marrying her before she'd be introduced to my daughter.

• 37:29Alex Cooper?

  But before the woman gets a ring, she's gonna meet Kai, right? You're like wedding day.

• 37:35Speaker 01

  I'd have, I'd have to decide, no, like, maybe like, on the third day, I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna marry this woman, nah, you, you can meet, you can meet my bird. Me, me, my daughter, so yeah, my daughter can meet my bird. Um, or you can meet my chickens, it's up to you.

• 37:49Alex Cooper?

  Hold on, hold on, you're saying that.

• 37:51Speaker 01

  Bird is a northern.

• 37:53Alex Cooper?

  You call bird.

• 37:54Speaker 01

  Your female, your bird.

• 37:56Alex Cooper?

  Okay, okay, I was like, she's meeting the chickens?

• 37:58Speaker 01

  No, she's meeting my, my girlfriend.

• 38:00Alex Cooper?

  Maybe the girlfriend first meets the girls.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, the chickens.

• 38:03Alex Cooper?

  Then the turtles, and then slowly, if the vibe is right, Kai one day.

• 38:07Speaker 01

  I just feel like it's a lot of pressure, you know? Like, call me old school when I say this, but like. I won't wanna ever put that kind of pressure on somebody else even, you know, like, meet my daughter, have a relationship with her, then don't work out between me and you, and then you've gone somewhere and my daughter's got this relationship with you and she don't get to see you again. Kinda sucks, you know, like, I wouldn't wanna put her through that. It's kind of on me, so I feel like I have to be smarter about that, and obviously I'm joking, like, maybe if I was dating a bird for like, a decent amount of time, five, six months properly, and we get serious, then I'd say, oh yeah, like, do you wanna meet my daughter, you know? When I know she's not crazy.

• 38:45Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, you need to like, really make sure you're like, putting her through tests, and finally you're like, okay, you have passed the not crazy test, now is the next step. You've obviously been in a public relationship before, would you be open to that again? Or are we going full private? No.

• 39:03Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:05Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm not looking for a public relationship again, and just out of experience, no,

• 39:11Speaker 01

  you know, offence to anybody that I have been in public relationships with before. I've just learnt from it, it don't work for me, you know, I'm quite a private person.

• 39:21Speaker 01

  I don't really strive for people's, you know, approval or attention, so the relationship should really be between me and that person, and I think that personality type would, somebody who doesn't wanna do that, would be more suited to me, you know?

• 39:36Alex Cooper?

  Oh man, maybe you're gonna find like, a Pennsylvania baddie, cuz like, girls in Pennsylvania don't expect, you know?

• 39:43Speaker 01

  Some bad Amish bird.

• 39:44Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, and they're like, oh, I didn't expect this life in like, the limelight, like, it's fine if we never leave the farm.

• 39:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:51Alex Cooper?

  Kinda keep me updated. Good to know. All the girls in Pennsylvania are like, I must find him back on the dating apps.

• 40:00Alex Cooper?

  For ten really formative years of your life, from seventeen to about twenty-seven, you were in serious relationships. This is kind of the longest you've ever publicly been single. What was the scariest part of being alone for the first time?

• 40:17Speaker 01

  Again.

• 40:19Alex Cooper?

  You didn't care.

• 40:20Speaker 01

  I don't find being alone scary. Like, again, I think it links to the other question you asked me about like, how are you cool with yourself? I'm cool with myself. I like my own thoughts. I like to do things myself. I like to be in my own company. Um, I'm not codependent like that at all. Um, even with my parents, like I love them, I respect them. They're always there if I need them, but I'm not codependent on them, you know? I don't need to speak to them every single day and check things with them. Um, so it wasn't really scary for me. Honestly, again, no disrespect to all the past relationships I've been in, because people tend to take things out of context.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  Um, no disrespect at all. It was freeing. Like, um, I am that type of person who, you know, runs on my own clock, answers to myself. So it was so freeing to me. I could just do things, make plans, sleep into whatever time I want. You know what I mean?

• 41:16Alex Cooper?

  It's nice.

• 41:17Speaker 01

  Like, go to bed whatever time I want, eat what I want, like, eat in the bed. All kinds of shit, you know, that like, is not cool when you're in a couple. So, um, yeah, it's just been freeing for me and no pressure, you know, like, um, I can't really get in trouble that way either, you know? I tend to get in trouble in relationships too, because I was young and, you know, did certain things, you know, spoke to other females when I shouldn't have been, as most people do. You live and learn from it. But this way, there's no guilt, you know? I can just be free and speak to whoever I want. And, you know, hopefully if I meet somebody that I want to be serious with, I'll have spent enough time in this place to know that I want to be with that person and be committed to them.

• 42:00Alex Cooper?

  It's a great point. Like, you can acknowledge you messed up when you were younger and you're not proud of it. But also, like, unless you're ready to get into a relationship where you know you can be faithful.

• 42:09Speaker 01

  I don't want to keep doing the same thing, you know?

• 42:10Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. But, okay, I feel like there's a difference between enjoying your own company and then self-isolation.

• 42:18Alex Cooper?

  Have you ever intentionally?

• 42:20Speaker 01

  Self-isolated?

• 42:21Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  Um, to a certain degree, I think I did a little bit like after the band, you know, like, um, I took a bit of time to myself. Um, but I won't say it's complete isolation. I always still have people around, you know? Um, uh, my manager's always around that, uh, works with me and like my best friends come out and see me from time to time. Not as much as I'd like, uh, cause it is quite a, a long flight, but I won't say it's, it's like self-isolation. It's more just like removing myself from the noise for a bit.

• 42:50Alex Cooper?

  You said that you're finally in a place now where you don't need another person to identify or find yourself in. That's what we're talking about. How in the past were you losing yourself in past relationships?

• 43:02Speaker 01

  I don't know if I was necessarily losing myself. I just felt like there was so many things I had to do in order for this other person to be happy. Um, and things that I didn't necessarily find enjoyment in, you know, like, um, I'm not the type of dude that likes to go to five-star Michelin restaurants every night and get pictured and, you know, go here and go there. This person's invited you and they're really famous, so you should go hang out with them. I'm like, you know, cause we've both got the same job. You're just gonna put us on a playdate? Um, yeah, for me, like, uh, it doesn't, don't make sense like that. Yeah. So, um, yeah, I just tend to just stay away from, from them things.

• 43:41Alex Cooper?

  It's actually the best thing you've said today. I don't wanna go on a playdate with other famous people. Sue me. It's refreshing, but I think it's, it's hard to not get caught up in that cause I think there's so many people that can be like, this is how it goes. When you get famous, this is what you do.

• 43:55Speaker 01

  So many people have so much value on that too. You know, the way the world runs is like, you know, who you're associated with is a reflective, a reflection of you and, uh, people use that and, you know, social media to put off a false portraying of whatever their life is and everything's hunky-dory and fairies and rainbows. And in reality, it doesn't quite work like that.

• 44:14Alex Cooper?

  I'm happy that I feel like enough people now are starting to see through that, like so many people doing things for social media. And then the minute it happens or it's posted, a lot of times if you know the person, you're like, we, that is like not, they're not even that happy. Like that's literally bullshit. Like I just saw them crying at the club the other night, but they're like.

• 44:34Alex Cooper?

  And they're miserable. So it's like, that is such a sad and isolating life to live. And I have actually empathy for it because it's probably like feels very validating in the moment, but it's almost like a quick dopamine hit and then it's over. And so.

• 44:48Speaker 01

  And it usually extends from insecurity, right?

• 44:50Alex Cooper?

  Yes, yes. And so you're sitting here being like, you've done so much work on yourself. You've always felt pretty good alone. And so now you need someone that can kind of meet you there instead, which is amazing.

• 45:00Speaker 01

  I'd like that, yeah.

• 45:01Alex Cooper?

  I also feel like your twenties are all about making mistakes and figuring yourself out. And now in your thirties, you're really coming into your own. I asked you, when I first interviewed you, to describe yourself in three words.

• 45:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:15Alex Cooper?

  What do you think you said?

• 45:17Speaker 01

  I have no idea. I probably said, that's really difficult.

• 45:20Alex Cooper?

  I think you did say that, but then I forced you to answer. Okay, give me three words that you would describe yourself as now, and then let's see if it's the same.

• 45:27Speaker 01

  I think one of the words was definitely chill. I don't know if it was.

• 45:31Alex Cooper?

  Correct.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  Was it?

• 45:32Alex Cooper?

  Chill is on there. Two more.

• 45:34Speaker 01

  Alright, so right now I would say chill, chill, and chill.

• 45:39Alex Cooper?

  Zane?

• 45:40Speaker 01

  I'm joking. It's hard for me. I don't, I don't really like to talk about myself in that way, you know, like, give myself an adjective.

• 45:48Alex Cooper?

  Well, you did it three years ago. Do you want to know?

• 45:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I do, yeah.

• 45:52Alex Cooper?

  Chill, funny, loving guy.

• 45:54Speaker 01

  Oh, there you go. Yeah, I like that. That's my guy there.

• 45:59Alex Cooper?

  You're like, hey, I like him. Do you still relate?

• 46:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I think so.

• 46:05Alex Cooper?

  Love that. You said in an interview that you don't know if you've ever truly been in love. Do you still stand by that?

• 46:12Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah. Cause like my understanding of love is always developing, you know? At that moment in, in time, I might have thought it was love, but as I've got older, I've realized maybe it wasn't. Maybe it was lust. Maybe it was this. Maybe it was that. Um, I don't feel like it was love. And, and to be fair, like, just to say this on record, I will always love Jig because she is the reason my child isn't, you know, on this earth. Um, and I have the utmost respect for her. Um, I will always love her. Or I don't know if I was ever in love with her. Yeah.

• 46:48Alex Cooper?

  I mean, I can imagine there's so much pressure. I agree, and even you having to clarify, like, everyone's always probably like, what do you think?

• 46:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's why, because before, even when I said it, I think people took it a type of way. So I'm just like, yo, I have so much respect for this woman, and I do love her, a crazy amount. But yeah, no, but I don't think I was in love with her at that point. Otherwise, I would have been a better version of myself, yeah.

• 47:12Alex Cooper?

  I think that's fair to say.

• 47:15Alex Cooper?

  Anxiety. We talked about it when you came on the show last time. How are you managing those feelings today?

• 47:22Speaker 01

  Again, I think, I said this to you before, but like, anxiety is a thing that I think, you know, all of us are dealing with. We just now have a word to explain it. And you feel that in, you know, small increments throughout your day. Certain situation might make you feel something. But one thing I've learned since becoming a father is that it's good to overcome them feelings and push through it. Because, you know, I'm sat here all the time telling my daughter to do things and, you know, just get over it, you'll be fine, you'll be cool. And I'm a bit hypocrite if I'm not doing that myself.

• 47:53Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. You went from disappearing from the public eye, essentially, to now coming back, doing a Vegas residency and a full stadium and arena tour. What shifted for you in that headspace?

• 48:06Speaker 01

  I think it was around like 2020. I was wanting to go back on tour anywhere. Like, whenever I drive past the, like, arena or something, I was like, I don't mind performing there. What's this arena called? And I kept asking the question, and it was kind of gonna happen. And then COVID came and destroyed the entire world. So, you know, that old saying, if you want to make God laugh, try to come up with your own plan. And then, when that happened, it just spurred me further, this want and desire to like, kind of be back on stage. And again, I know I always bring it back to Kai since she's been born, but it's kind of just wanting to show her that like, I can do it, and like, this is what your dad

• 48:51Speaker 01

  does, you know? This is my job.

• 48:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't want her to be watching old videos of me in the band, you know? Like, it doesn't even really look like me anymore.

• 49:00Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I'm way more handsome now, guys, come on. Do you think that your vocals have gotten better since then, too?

• 49:08Speaker 01

  I'd like to think so, yeah.

• 49:10Alex Cooper?

  I think so.

• 49:11Speaker 01

  Appreciate it.

• 49:13Alex Cooper?

  When you are feeling overwhelmed or anxious, what does help calm you down?

• 49:20Speaker 01

  Weed.

• 49:21Alex Cooper?

  Okay. Are you growing that on the farm too?

• 49:23Speaker 01

  I'm joking.

• 49:25Alex Cooper?

  Is it legal?

• 49:25Speaker 01

  I ain't growing that on the farm, no. I don't think that's legal, actually. But, yeah, no. Honestly, meditation, mindfulness, you know, being grateful for things.

• 49:37Alex Cooper?

  Are you doing meditation apps or are you doing it just alone?

• 49:40Speaker 01

  Myself, yeah, just sit and breathe and think about things in a nice, quiet, you know, contemplative place and think about things. And I think it always is helpful to name like three things you're grateful for and everything else kind of like subsides a little bit.

• 49:55Alex Cooper?

  Should we do that right now?

• 49:56Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 49:57Alex Cooper?

  What are three things you're grateful for?

• 49:59Speaker 01

  For Kai, first and foremost, I'm grateful for my career and I'm grateful for my family.

• 50:09Alex Cooper?

  Wow, beautiful. Throughout your career, there have been instances and kind of like what we were just talking about, like so much pressure on you where people are gonna take things out of context and looking at you like there have been a few instances where people are looking for you to respond publicly during an emotional, personal situation. Like, how do you handle that pressure?

• 50:32Speaker 01

  Again, it's not really a pressure. Like, I feel like there's a pressure on you if you feel the need to argue a point or, you know, you feel so adamant that you, you know, you need to rectify what's being said. Me personally, if it's not true, I don't give a shit. Like, there's so many things that people say that are untrue and if I were gonna sit there and go through all them things, I won't have any time in my day to do anything else. Like, so I just try not to think about it. I'm not really a social media person. I don't have social media on my phone. If there's something that's going on social media, I speak to my manager or my assistant and say, "Put this up on social media." I don't scroll, don't do the doom scrolling shit, so don't see anything.

• 51:17Speaker 01

  You know, I just kind of live in my, in my own world.

• 51:20Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 51:21Speaker 01

  And it's nice. There isn't no pressure for me in that sense because I don't allow that pressure to be in my life.

• 51:28Alex Cooper?

  That's great. Obviously, you have been on massive tours before, but during those you were on the stage with other people. This time, you're out there by yourself. How are you approaching it? And how does it feel different than having four people standing next to you?

• 51:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, the first couple of shows I did on the Stairway to the Sky tour, it was kind of weird, you know? I'd done a couple of odd songs here and there, like on TV shows and stuff, like one song, but I'd not done like a whole show. So yeah, it was a little bit strange, you know? I took a little bit of adjustment, not being able to look to somebody else singing. But I have my band on stage with me. But yeah, not much conscious like decision making, like I'm gonna do this different from the band.

• 52:29Alex Cooper?

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• 53:28Alex Cooper?

  What can fans, if they haven't been, expect from a Zayn show?

• 53:33Speaker 01

  Hopefully some decent vocals.

• 53:36Speaker 01

  Not too much movement. Me just kind of stood center stage.

• 53:41Alex Cooper?

  Would you ever do a little dance?

• 53:43Speaker 01

  It's not really my thing.

• 53:44Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 53:44Speaker 01

  I have self-professed always to never really be a dancer in that sense. I don't, I don't think I take myself serious enough to like pull that off, you know, like.

• 53:54Alex Cooper?

  Why can I like not picture you dancing?

• 53:56Speaker 01

  Because it's, it's just a weird thought. Yeah, even, even if you put me in, on AI dancing, it looks a bit weird.

• 54:03Alex Cooper?

  You're like, that just, that, that's definitely AI. You're like, if you see me dancing online, that is AI. That was never me. You recently are, I know you said you don't have social media, but I'm assuming this has come back to you. You are all over the internet right now because you made a joke the other night on stage about people's high ticket prices.

• 54:23Speaker 01

  I never specified no names, you know? People have high ticket prices all over the place. Couldn't be talking about anybody. Take it as you want.

• 54:32Alex Cooper?

  Fair. Um, okay. Can we talk about your new music? What themes are you really diving into on this album?

• 54:40Speaker 01

  Yeah, so the, um, the new album, Konakol, um, is, uh, the derivative of a lot of inspiration from, you know, my Indian heritage and culture. Um, I've always put, you know, like little soul things in there, little ad-libs in there, even on Dust Till Dawn with Sia. Um, and it's something I've always liked to show the world, you know, like I can sing like this too. Um, so we went into, into that a little bit more. Konakol is, uh, in its definition is the, um, act of creating percussive sounds with your voice, so like drum sounds. So I made a lot of the production out of my own voice.

• 55:23Speaker 01

  So I'm singing like layers and layers of different vocals to make the beat. Um, and once we started doing it, like of, like first three, four songs, I was like, yeah, the whole record needs to be like this. So just let into that and, um, drop, drew a lot of inspiration from that, yeah.

• 55:40Alex Cooper?

  So when we're listening to this, we can know that a lot of what we're hearing is actually your own voice.

• 55:45Speaker 01

  It's my voice, even the drum sounds and stuff, you know, on some of them, yeah.

• 55:48Alex Cooper?

  What do you mean?

• 55:48Speaker 01

  Being affected to make them sound like a drum, but I'm singing it.

• 55:51Alex Cooper?

  Oh, that's sick.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  Da, da, da ma da ma da, da, da, da ma da ma da. That's the drum rhythm, too.

• 55:58Alex Cooper?

  Wait, that makes it even, this is just giving me even more color to what to expect. That's incredible. Can you tell me a little bit about your new single, "Die For Me"?

• 56:08Speaker 01

  I've had that song for years. I've had that song for like five, six years, I think. I had it even before "Room". Caught it a while ago, and it was just a great song, but it didn't feel like it fit on "Room", because "Room" was such a raw, like, different kind of like singer-songwriter project thing. They felt too, you know, produced and too clean and crisp, but I didn't write that song, yeah. I have no problem professing when I don't write songs either, it was just a banger of a song. I heard it, they asked if I wanted it, so I said, "Yeah", and I caught it, and it turned out really well, yeah.

• 56:43Alex Cooper?

  Did you relate to any of the themes of like?

• 56:46Speaker 01

  For sure, yeah, I'd be silly if I, you know, if I said I didn't relate to the themes, I did, definitely. But I also felt the power of the song, like, feels like it's a big, like, radio song. And I wanted to come back with that kind of energy, you know?

• 56:58Alex Cooper?

  When you are personally writing, and you're writing about a specific situation or a specific person, like, have you ever shown people music ahead of time that's gonna be about them, or are you like, "No way"?

• 57:10Speaker 01

  If it's about them, never. No, yeah.

• 57:14Alex Cooper?

  Have you had people call you and be like, "Zayn, is this one about me"?

• 57:18Speaker 01

  Honestly, I think if anyone knows me, like, did know it was about them, you know? Like, they don't need to call me, like, they know me well enough at that point. They're like, "This song's definitely about me."

• 57:27Alex Cooper?

  They're like, "Oh, shit." What song of yours from this album were you the most nervous to have be released?

• 57:37Speaker 01

  It's interesting. There's a few songs on there, there's a song on there called "Side Effects", that I was a bit like, "I don't know if I want to put this out", and then the more I listened to it, I was like, "You know what? It's honest, you know, it lives in reality, and I'm sure so many people have felt this way", so for that reason, I was like, "It needs to go on there, yeah, it's real."

• 58:02Alex Cooper?

  The theme of that one, I'm pretty sure, is the one where you kind of talk about the shortcomings. Is that one of kind of being?

• 58:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, like, "The side effects of loving me", you know, instead of like, "How you made me feel from loving you", it's like... I understand that I might have made you feel a type of way too, you know what I mean?

• 58:17Alex Cooper?

  It's pretty mature.

• 58:19Speaker 01

  Self-admittance.

• 58:20Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, it takes a lot to admit that it does take two to tango and when there's issues, it's not just one person. We have obviously discussed you're a pretty private person, like, how do you decide

• 58:32Alex Cooper?

  when you wanna share parts of your life in music? Cause that, again, like, people can read into things, like, how much do you put thought into that?

• 58:42Speaker 01

  For me, it's like, at the end of the day, I could, right now, after this interview, go on Twitter, or I could go on Instagram, and I could put something real cheap up on there, you know what I mean? Get a quick reaction. For me, with the music, it has so much more class to it. It's poetry, there's thought gone into it, there's production. It's classy, you know? So that's why I'm like, yeah, I'll talk about these things here, because it's art, and it stays there, it's not just a random fucking text, you know what I mean?

• 59:15Alex Cooper?

  It's not a tweet.

• 59:16Speaker 01

  No, it's not a tweet.

• 59:16Alex Cooper?

  You're like, just listen to it in the song, okay? I said enough. How do you feel when people try to connect the dots of, oh my gosh, speculating about these lyrics must be about this person?

• 59:27Speaker 01

  People are always gonna do that.

• 59:30Speaker 01

  You know, e- even if I bring a song out next week about, you know, I always wanted to be a clown and be in the circus, people will be like, oh shit, Zayn wanted to be a clown in the circus, you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't really feel a type of way about it, like, they're always gonna say something. And the music that I use and the songs that I write myself usually have some correlation to my reality too, so I'm cool with that, yeah. They can connect the dots wherever they want, they might not always connect them correctly, but that's what makes it interesting.

• 1:00:00Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, okay, top three favorite songs from the album?

• 1:00:05Speaker 01

  Top favorite three, okay. "Used to the Blues" is definitely my favorite, I think.

• 1:00:12Speaker 01

  It's just different, feels a bit different for a Zayn song, so it's got a bit more of a hip-hop-like production to it. That, I really like "Side Effects", and there's another song called "Sideways".

• 1:00:23Alex Cooper?

  Okay, favorite lyric?

• 1:00:27Speaker 01

  "I miss looking at you sideways."

• 1:00:34Alex Cooper?

  When did you come up with that one?

• 1:00:36Speaker 01

  A while ago.

• 1:00:38Alex Cooper?

  It's been in your notes app?

• 1:00:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:39Alex Cooper?

  You were wondering when you should.

• 1:00:41Speaker 01

  When do I release this to the world?

• 1:00:43Alex Cooper?

  And when you write something like that, is that you sitting on the farm, daydreaming or meditating, having a thought and being like, "That's an interesting line," and then you write it down?

• 1:00:54Speaker 01

  Yeah. Yeah, pretty much, yeah.

• 1:00:59Alex Cooper?

  When do you think you have those revelations of a new lyric the most? Like, are you, is it when you're in the studio? Is it when you're just chilling at home?

• 1:01:08Speaker 01

  Uh, usually the best lyrics, yeah, they don't come like when you've planned to be in the studio. You can plan as much as you want, but um, my lyrics usually come to me late at night, like um, I'm a bit of a night owl. Um, that time just before you go to sleep is a weird one for me because I don't go to sleep. I just stay awake, like writing things, uh, because my mind's just going crazy at that time. Um, but in this like studio run, I managed to get a lot out in in the studio sessions. So I think it just really depends, you know? If you've, if you've got a bit of information penned up, ready to go, it'll, it'll be there for you. Um, if you're not really living any life, doing anything, then probably not gonna have shit to talk about. You know what I mean?

• 1:01:53Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, I just thought about that as you're saying a lot of things come to you at night. I'm like, okay, I miss

• 1:01:59Alex Cooper?

  looking at you sideways. I'm assuming is basically you're like laying in bed and you're staring at each other while your heads are both on the pillow and you can't help but think like, yeah, that may have come to you while you were laying there wishing that person was there.

• 1:02:11Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:02:12Alex Cooper?

  Okay, love that. Um, okay, what are you most proud of with this album?

• 1:02:18Speaker 01

  Um, honestly, the fact that people still give a shit. I'll be honest with you, like five solo albums now. I was just buzzing that, you know, I got to do a first one. Like, after the band, like, people seemed to care, you know? So I'm five records deep now, so I guess I'm really proud of the progression. And just the development and understanding of myself in, through my music, you know?

• 1:02:47Alex Cooper?

  What do you want fans to take from this album?

• 1:02:50Speaker 01

  Um, I want them to get a bit more insight on, you know, maybe my culture and heritage. And maybe even, you know, find a new word. I don't know if too many people are familiar with the word Conoco. Yeah.

• 1:03:03Alex Cooper?

  Okay. When you think back to who you were when you first started your career, to who you are sitting here today, how would you describe your evolution as an artist?

• 1:03:17Speaker 01

  Ah, fucking huge arc, you know? From standing on stage in Manchester, singing Mario, Let Me Love You, a cappella, not knowing what production was, anything, wearing my uncle's clothes. There's been a bit of progression, you know? I'd like to say I've developed my own style a little bit. I know a bit more about music. I know what keys now. I know what pitches, all these things that I had no clue of, yeah. So there's been a lot of development, but I think, again, just to bring it back there, the most development has been in me as a human being, you know, like, just growing.

• 1:03:56Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. What do you think, overall, when you look back at that young boy on that stage, singing Mario, Let Me Love You, to now, like, what do you wish?

• 1:04:06Speaker 01

  Big balls.

• 1:04:06Alex Cooper?

  No, literally.

• 1:04:08Speaker 01

  Big balls. Seventeen-year-old kid, don't have a clue, he's so confident, what is he doing?

• 1:04:14Alex Cooper?

  So cute. Is there anything at that point you wish you could have told your younger self now?

• 1:04:20Speaker 01

  I say it all the time, yeah. I wish I could go back to that seventeen-year-old version of me and say, "Well done, like, for being that brave." Like, because I don't know if somebody asked me in my thirties, if I had no experience before, "Would you go stand and sing in front of Simon Cowell?" I would have done it, you know? I would have been like, "No, no way."

• 1:04:37Alex Cooper?

  Wow. And look where it got you.

• 1:04:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:04:40Alex Cooper?

  It was an honor to sit down with you again. I think back to being in Pennsylvania with you. I remember, well, first of all, that was just so weird because you literally walked through my parents' house. And I was like, I'm struggling. Like, you're walking through my parents' doors. And like, I grew up here.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  It was so nice though. It was so cool. It was such a different environment, like for me to be in like a house and doing an interview. I think that's why the interview went well. It felt good and relaxed and chill. It didn't feel like an intrusive interview. It felt like we were just chatting as friends.

• 1:05:06Alex Cooper?

  It was really fun and you were so sweet. And you brought me a housewarming gift, even though that was.

• 1:05:10Speaker 01

  I got you some more stuff as well.

• 1:05:11Alex Cooper?

  Zane, you got me so much stuff. My team was like, do you want to come see all this? I was like, you bought me basically everything I could have thought of and more.

• 1:05:21Speaker 01

  I heard that you like all the same stuff as me. So I was like, yeah, I'm gonna have to send you some stuff.

• 1:05:25Alex Cooper?

  All the snacks, all the merch.

• 1:05:27Speaker 01

  Loads of British stuff in there.

• 1:05:28Alex Cooper?

  I know. I saw it. Trust me. I've already gotten into it. I was eating the chips. I was like, you're a real one. Thank you. But no, it's been really cool to get to know you. And I think like my favorite thing about my job is to get to progress with someone where it's like we met at a certain period in time. And then to now sit here with you, like, you feel more relaxed. Like, you feel more at ease. And I don't know what you would attribute that to, but like I can feel it in you. And it's really cool to see that.

• 1:05:58Speaker 01

  I appreciate you saying that. Yeah, no, obviously that interview that we did was like one of the first interviews I've done in a long time. So again, it's that like anxiety, you know, preempting what the situation is going to be. And then you're there and it's very different, you know? It has been three years since then. I've been working a lot more, been getting into the rhythm of things. And I feel a lot more chill and a lot more confident, you know, in this environment. And I'm enjoying myself.

• 1:06:24Alex Cooper?

  Well, I'm happy you called me and I think we're gonna have to do this again in three years.

• 1:06:29Speaker 01

  Let's do it.

• 1:06:29Alex Cooper?

  You guys didn't actually think we were done yet, did you? Zane and I obviously have a little surprise to end the night. So, let's go.

• 1:06:50Alex Cooper?

  You have to stop giving me gifts. Zayn!

• 1:06:52Speaker 01

  It's just noodles. It's not, not, nothing that expensive. It's some crisp noodles.

• 1:06:56Alex Cooper?

  I'm dead at this.

• 1:06:57Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:06:58Alex Cooper?

  Stick the chips in the noodles.

• 1:07:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I got you this too.

• 1:07:03Alex Cooper?

  Zayn, how much have you spent on the boo-boos?

• 1:07:05Speaker 01

  We won't discuss that on camera.

• 1:07:06Alex Cooper?

  Don't.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  Welcome.

• 1:07:11Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god, wait, Zayn, this is sick.

• 1:07:12Speaker 01

  You know.

• 1:07:13Alex Cooper?

  It's like the calm before the storm. I am so happy we got to reunite. Thank you so much for just letting me into the behind the scenes of your world. I'm so happy for you. This has been such a massive success. I can't wait for the album. And more importantly, I can't wait to see you out there tonight.

• 1:07:28Speaker 01

  Thank you so much.

• 1:07:29Alex Cooper?

  Love you, you're the best.

• 1:07:31Speaker 01

  I hope you have a good time tonight.

• 1:07:32Alex Cooper?

  Oh my god, I will.

• 1:07:33Speaker 01

  I hope I put on a good show for you.

• 1:07:34Alex Cooper?

  Dance for us out there.

• 1:07:35Speaker 01

  Alright, yeah.

• 1:07:36Alex Cooper?

  You're like, not a chance.

• 1:07:37Speaker 01

  Get a little wiggle.

• 1:07:38Alex Cooper?

  Bye, Zayn!

• 1:07:39Speaker 01

  See you later, Alex. Alright, who wants to hear my next single?

• 1:07:44Speaker 01

  "Die For Me", here it is.

• 1:08:49Speaker 04

  Don't leave me more when I need you the most Give you my heart, don't you dare let it go Say you Dropped for me Say you Dropped for me Don't leave me more when I need you the most Said you would drop for me Said you'd never, never let me go You ain't home, call your friends, said you gone I'm looking way to peer, going in a still

• 1:09:27Speaker 04

  I'll sleep just fine without you Yeah, yeah Ain't nothing worse than somebody who Lie to you, bless you, and says it's the truth Love you, I love you, you said it out Those are your words, you're springing out You told me you loved me right in life

• 1:09:50Speaker 04

  Dropped for me

• 1:09:55Speaker 04

  Dropped for me

• 1:10:02Speaker 04

  Give you my heart, don't you dare let it go

• 1:10:15Speaker 04

  Don't leave me more when I need you the most Said you would drop for me Said you'd never, never let me go

• 1:10:47Speaker 04

  Say you Dropped for me Don't leave me more when I need you the most Said you would drop for me Said you'd never, never let me go

• 1:11:20Alex Cooper?

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