A Great Vespa Trip; 26 Hours Later; Polestar Blocked; Q&A

Matt Farah's tale of traveling around the world to drive the new Ferrari 849 Testarossa Spider; the Vespa trip; Manx updates update; Polestar gets canceled by the government; and Patreon questions including: Ugly cars that drive great. Pretty cars that drive terribly. Why do people sit SO close to the wheel (and is it dangerous)? When haptic buttons feel cheap A tiered license system? Favorite cars from PCOTY Old automotive content we watch Tips on buying a JDM car Which heavy machinery we'd want to operate Brew watches Carbage? Engine swapping a 50cc moped to a 125 Best starter motorcycle Genesis GV80 or Acura MDX Type S? And more! Recorded July 1, 2026 Show Notes Factor Head to https://Factormeals.com/tire50off and use code tire50off to get 50 percent off and free daily greens per box, with new subscription only, while supplies last until 09/27/2026. (See website for more details). Truewerk The work doesn’t stop just because the weather changes. Upgrade to the T2 WerkPant and stay comfortable no matter what the day brings. Get 15% off your first order at https://TRUEWERK.com with code tire. TRUEWERK, built like it matters, because it does. Enter to WIN our AMAZING 2025 Porsche 911 Turbo S!! https://www.dreamgiveaway.com/tickets/porsche?promo=SMOKINGTIRE Promo Code Offer: Get 4X bonus tickets with any donation of $25 or more. With every donation you are helping benefit some wonderful veterans' and children's charities. Podcast Promo Code: SMOKINGTIRE Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman Click here for the most honest car reviews out there: https://www.youtube.com/thesmokingtire

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

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• 1:25Matt Farah?

  The Manx has been upgraded and is coming back tomorrow and we've got the full list of parts and improvements and the government killed a car company. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast, let's go. Guys, the Smoking Tire is giving away a 992.1 Turbo S. In partnership with Dream Giveaways, we're giving away a $275,000 car with some slick choice mods. The proceeds benefit charity and you don't have to buy any merch. It's a straightforward entry process. So hit the link in the show notes and get entered to win today. I think I have to take all those pins off my backpack. I think they're starting to add noticeable weight.

• 2:09Speaker 01

  That's hilarious. There's a lot of them.

• 2:12Matt Farah?

  I mean, when I unzip the top, it goes because of all the pins.

• 2:16Speaker 01

  I have a lot of, I always have hard drives in that pocket and so it goes, yeah, it's like a dog's tongue. Uh, we exist.

• 2:24Matt Farah?

  Fucking hell. Hello. Hello there. What's, what's, what's happening? I hope you are all well. Uh, and if I'm a little loopy today, I apologize in advance. It was a, it was a long day yesterday. Um, and I, the, it was, I wanted, I wanted to tell the story of my return journey from Tenerife, not as a complaint. It's, it's just like, it's, it's, it's, it was very stressful and, and full of foible and, and, and I don't want it to sound like a complaint because I was getting to drive the new Ferrari

• 3:09Matt Farah?

  uh, in Tenerife, Tenerife. I've for years pronounced it, I guess, in Americanized way of Tenerife. Everyone else in the world seems to use the A at the Tenerife.

• 3:19Speaker 01

  Is there an accent thing over the E at the end?

• 3:21Matt Farah?

  Uh, hmm, maybe. I don't know, but they do pronounce it, uh, they do pronounce it that way. And so I should probably start pronouncing it like they do, but I don't say Roma or Deutschland either. So, um, I can't talk about the eight, four, nine Testarossa Spider until July 15th. So we're going to hold off on the car. But let me just fucking tell you, Tenerife, uh, for, for driving is fucking unbelievable. I mean, I think I seriously, I was thinking about this. I think in my top,

• 4:01Matt Farah?

  I think my three best single day drives ever, it would be this. The day I did the three high passes back in 2017 with Rob Ferretti in Switzerland and

• 4:17Matt Farah?

  The and I can't I can't even say it was it's like one of the New Zealand days because I've never done a New Zealand drive in a good car. You know, we only did it in like vans and shit.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 4:27Matt Farah?

  And filming like that that doesn't count. That's not like a drive, but like there could be a New Zealand one, but like maybe one of the days, um, performance car of the year in that northeastern corner of California where people don't really talk about where it's like secretly the best driving ever. Like that that three, this fucking thing, it's a it's a volcanic island. It's very steep and very high. Um, and the whole place is just built on cliffs. Uh, the the roads in the towns and stuff like it's got the southern half of the island, looks like Morocco, and the northern half of the island is very like Mediterranean, like Spanish looking and very and wet.

• 5:12Speaker 01

  In terms of development or like landscape? Because it's funny is it's like it's right off the coast of Morocco and the Sahara, like so.

• 5:20Matt Farah?

  Like zoom in on the island and go to the satellite view and you can see like there's a brown half and a green half. Like, and there's a big volcano in the middle of it, uh, with a national park. The tarmac on the roads that we drove were so the southern half is is kind of is sort of Moroccan looking. So it's brown, but it's very dramatic and has like it has greenery, but it's like been planted there. Right. And then as you move to the north, we were in the north west corner, Buena Vista del Norte is where we stayed. It's like, looks like Hawaii. And then as you go up to the volcano, it's like it gets like Martian. Like

• 6:03Matt Farah?

  there's like, it's like crazy black volcanic rock with like bright green pine trees growing out of it. And then just super Martian style. Pull up on Instagram. I put a post a couple of photos of, but um, I'm really glad I was not doing video, Zach. There is fucking nowhere to make U-turns in this place. This would, this would have been an unbelievable nightmare. Something wrong?

• 6:30Speaker 01

  No.

• 6:30Matt Farah?

  Okay. You just had a look.

• 6:31Speaker 01

  I did.

• 6:32Matt Farah?

  To make to try to make video. I'm so glad I was not trying. Although Ferrari, shout out to them. All six cars, identical spec, matching the B-roll.

• 6:42Speaker 01

  Everything's silver, yeah.

• 6:43Matt Farah?

  Every car matched the fucking B-roll. I've never seen it. And actually, the logistics guy out, they were like, "Go talk to logistics, congratulate, talk to that guy. Tell him you like it because a lot of manufacturers in a press launch, they want to show different colors. And that makes sense. They want to show different wheel options and here's all the things you can get. And that makes sense. But it really doesn't matter for most journalists to actually get all of those things. You could provide those other things in a package with other car color options if you wanted. Having a whole ton of photo and video of the same color car that you're driving really makes a lot of sense. So their B-roll looked really beautiful. But I'm so glad I didn't try to make video.

• 7:28Speaker 01

  It's funny that they had that, all the cars matching, because you could have just made the video with like one in-car camera.

• 7:33Matt Farah?

  I probably could have made something passable, yeah.

• 7:37Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:38Matt Farah?

  So I can't talk about the car, but we will, we will, I assure you in time. But fucking hell, man. This is, and Sam Fain from Seen Through Glass, this is his spot, his is like his secret.

• 7:52Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, you just commented on your page, you said favorite place to drive in the world.

• 7:54Matt Farah?

  Yes, it's absolutely unbelievable. So was it worth that, yeah, that fucking, that road? Dude.

• 8:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, so this road's on the north side of the volcano. So it makes sense, like the volcano shades everything. So it's really green over here and the south side faces the clear.

• 8:10Matt Farah?

  And then when you go over the top, you know.

• 8:13Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 8:14Matt Farah?

  It's, and dude, there was, some of these roads were so, so crazy. And lots of places to, it's a passing culture. So like, you know, you don't pass on a blind corner, but like it's dotted, so. Got a thousand horsepower, like it's not like, it's not like you have to be held up behind people.

• 8:33Speaker 01

  So with your thousand horsepower, you are culturally ready, because it's a passing culture.

• 8:37Matt Farah?

  It's also a very polite driving culture in general. And you, if, and this is why, I was on the first wave and, and I went out first. And this is why, they're not, they're not ready for me. But by the time they see the sixth car, then they start calling the cops and then it gets, you know what I mean? If you have the privilege of that.

• 8:56Speaker 01

  Wow, cool.

• 8:57Matt Farah?

  So dude, this, this fucking road, and if you go to my Instagram, it's where the, where the car's above the clouds. Uh, go back to picture, I think it's picture one. So that's on top of the volcano, coming down the backside. Go one more over. So the, look at that road. It's like this is, imagine Pike's Peak, but with perfect tarmac. That's what this road is. This road is if they, if they, if it was

• 9:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, wow.

• 9:27Matt Farah?

  Pike's Peak with spa tarmac. So I'm up at the top, I'm taking that photo. A dude in a black Japanese sport bike rocks up. Shout out to Alfonso. Alfonso's a local. Recognizes me. And, and she goes, you know, do you want me to show you the line down the road? I'm like, fuck yeah. This dude drags a knee for thirty miles down the road.

• 9:52Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 9:53Matt Farah?

  We are flying. We are, we're going really fast. And then he, and then we get like halfway down and he like waves me around. And I start, you know, going and now he's trying to chase me. We were having a real good time.

• 10:06Speaker 01

  That's a good time.

• 10:07Matt Farah?

  We were having a real good time going, going down this road. And, uh, uh, yeah, shout out to Alfonso. Good run down this, this was, it was like

• 10:16Speaker 01

  Cooking.

• 10:17Matt Farah?

  Cooking.

• 10:18Speaker 01

  Knee, knee down is quick.

• 10:19Matt Farah?

  He was full, he was dragging.

• 10:21Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 10:22Matt Farah?

  And if you, and if I, I think he commented on one of my Instagram posts somewhere, his main photo, he's on like major angle.

• 10:28Speaker 01

  Okay, he's, he, he knows.

• 10:30Matt Farah?

  He local, he's local. This guy, this guy's got it going on. This is, this is his like weekend route. It's the fucking, it's what's up. Um. It was, uh, it's, I, it's so fucking far away. Uh, but I would love to go back for a driving vacation or like, you know, you'd be a motorcycle, whatever. So much, so many different landscapes, seven, eight landscapes, um. Stunning, absolutely stunning.

• 10:56Speaker 01

  I mean, it is very like, what's funny is on Google, it says an island in Spain.

• 11:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  And you zoom out and it is

• 11:03Matt Farah?

  No, it's an island in Africa.

• 11:05Speaker 01

  It is hundreds of miles off of the Spanish coast in, like, it's, it's really close to Morocco.

• 11:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 11:10Speaker 01

  But Spain owns it, you know, it's like the British, you know, BVI or something like that.

• 11:13Matt Farah?

  So I I kind of thought it was by like a visa, which is off the coast of like Barcelona. Like it's off, it's off to the right. Yeah, it's like there. I know.

• 11:23Speaker 01

  No, no.

• 11:24Matt Farah?

  So you fly.

• 11:24Speaker 01

  This is in Africa.

• 11:25Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's Africa. So, so to get there, right, I had to fly LA to Chicago to Madrid to Tenerife. And Madrid to Tenerife is a three hour flight. That's, you know, that's how far it is, right? So, okay, fine. I do my normal strategy of airport and, and all that. And I am a money, hit the ground running, good to go, have a, have a, have a blast, you know, driving and, and whatever. The return.

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• 15:05Matt Farah?

  Okay. Here's how this, this is a tough day. Now, this, like, even though it was, the whole journey was worth it to see this place, you know what I mean, and get to get to know what it's like to drive at this place and how special it is, like, it's worth it. But, it wasn't a fucking free lunch. And I'm gonna tell you what I, what I paid to do this. Not money. I didn't pay in money. I paid in fucking years in my life. Paid in blood. No, yeah, like, I paid, like, my life got, like, 15 days shorter.

• 15:38Speaker 01

  Muscle. You're gonna, you're an inch shorter today.

• 15:40Matt Farah?

  I'm shorter, I have my, my legs up on a rest here. So, wake up, 6:00 a.m., airport transfer from the hotel to, to the Tenerife Airport.

• 15:54Matt Farah?

  Tenerife is actually a bigger island than you, it's like, kinda like the big island of Hawaii. Like, to drive a lap around the perimeter of it would be about four hours. You know, and, and so it's, it's pretty big. We're on, the hotel is on opposite side of the airport, so they picked me up in a fucking 15 passenger van for a 90-minute goat track ride. Like, it's, it's not like there's a, there is a highway, it doesn't go to where our hotel was. You have to drive effectively straight up a 2,000-meter cliff face. Just, like, you just, like, leave your hotel, go through a town, and then Stelvio Pass up.

• 16:35Matt Farah?

  But like, slow. And not the good tarmac. The city tarmac. Not everywhere is the good tarmac. Overall, the tarmac is very good, but the goat tracks going up the mountains, not the best. So, van ride, 90 minutes. Three-hour flight to Madrid.

• 16:56Matt Farah?

  Now I'm gonna have a seven-and-a-half-hour flight to Philly. And, and this flight takes off 30 minutes late. Okay? It is, it's a lay-down seat, which, thank, thank God for that. But it wasn't, it wasn't quite right. You know, like, I just, like, it wasn't, like, shaped quite right, so I was like, not ideal. Didn't sleep much. We land in Philly. I have a two-hour layover. We land on time despite leaving late. Our gate is not ready. They go, we're gonna, it's gonna be 30 minutes. Okay, I'm like, oh, boy. And if you, you know, you have to clear customs,

• 17:38Matt Farah?

  and then go recheck in through security, and it's a different terminal to my flight from Philly to LA, so I'm like, oh, boy. And our 30 or 40 minutes on the ground becomes an hour and eight minutes. So we get to the gate.

• 17:54Speaker 01

  That's the longest hour?

• 17:56Matt Farah?

  Get this. We get to the gate.

• 18:00Matt Farah?

  We stop like first, there's a plane pulling out. You know, the plane that was holding up the gate is pulling out. We have to wait for them to clear the thing. Then we first, it's a weird angle. So they have to tow you in the last like 50 feet. So we stopped there. Now I can see out my window to the right. An airport tug that has pulled a plane out.

• 18:30Matt Farah?

  And they can't get it to unhook. And I'm wa- I'm watching and first one guy comes up, then another guy. And the guy's doing this. Where he's standing.

• 18:39Speaker 01

  Doing like deadlifting, yeah.

• 18:41Matt Farah?

  Trying to deadlift the pin.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  Alright, oh my god.

• 18:44Matt Farah?

  And I'm watching this.

• 18:45Speaker 01

  And you're like, we need that tug.

• 18:46Matt Farah?

  And I'm like.

• 18:47Speaker 01

  You're shouting in the window and it's muted on the other side.

• 18:50Matt Farah?

  We're, we landed on, we're so fucking late now. And, and this is, this is a two hour layover that I was gonna have in between two seven hour flights. Like on top of like wanting to make it from one to the other. A mild reprieve. A stop in the lounge, maybe a poop would be in order. You know what I mean?

• 19:09Speaker 01

  We get to walk around, which is like good for your back and stuff.

• 19:12Matt Farah?

  So, okay. The, uh, the first, and there's three guys now trying to pull the pin. Then a truck comes up. It must've taken them 10, 15 minutes to fucking unpull this pin. Now they fucking coming next to it, now they tow us in. Alright, I have forty-four minutes until the flight leaves. Okay, it's, it's started boarding now. But I'm, I need, I'm getting off, I'm the first person, I, I'm hmm. And I'm, my, my seat happened to be near the door, no problem. I'm running now. Full sweatsuit. Okay, it is 90 degrees Fahrenheit in Philadelphia when I'm there. Air conditioned airport, but I'm wearing a sweatshirt and sweatpants and compression socks.

• 19:58Speaker 01

  You were ready for this run.

• 19:59Matt Farah?

  And I'm

• 19:59Speaker 01

  You're ready, you're in your soccer warmups.

• 20:01Matt Farah?

  I'm fucking ready, but I'm stressed, okay?

• 20:03Speaker 01

  FIFA Farah.

• 20:04Matt Farah?

  So, and I'm, I'm not a runner, but I'm like, I didn't actually sprint, but I sped walked. I sped walked proper and I ran up the escalators. I, I walked up the escalators with my shit, okay? Get to eventually, it's, we're pretty far out in this weird terminal, so I get, I get to customs. I'm global entry, but I'm the first person there. There's this fucking zigzag maze.

• 20:31Speaker 01

  Right.

• 20:31Matt Farah?

  That's designed to hold

• 20:32Speaker 01

  There's nobody in there.

• 20:33Matt Farah?

  There's nobody there. I walked through the first couple of mazes and there's a cup, the, the customs guys are right there and I just look at them and just go, ah, and just under the last one and they did not like that. And the guy was like, back of the line, sir. And I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Come on, man. I was like, you, you saw I was in a hurry, like, ah, ah, ah, just, and, and he was like, do you like having global entry? Cause I can revoke it.

• 21:00Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 21:01Matt Farah?

  And I was like, all right, bro. Look, I'm sorry. Here's what, I'll go back in the zigzag to where I went under. Seriously, to where I, back to where

• 21:12Speaker 01

  Shoes and ladders.

• 21:12Matt Farah?

  Back to where I exited the racetrack. I'll take my, I'll take my time.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  Mario Kart rules.

• 21:18Matt Farah?

  I'm now walking backwards in the zigzag to the, and as I reach the spot and I start to go, right here, two other guys come out the door. And I'm just, and they, and they look at me like, like, like I'm an, like I'm a real asshole. I just go, I just turn around and go, is this cool? And they don't say shit. And I walk back and the guy goes, have a nice day, sir. Just, just like the shittiest middle management power trip, like over, over nothing. Did I, did I duck under? And yes, I went under a piece of rope with nobody around. Nobody. Like, come on, dude. You're gonna, that's, that's, that's protect and serve?

• 22:02Speaker 01

  Right.

• 22:03Matt Farah?

  Fuck you.

• 22:03Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 22:04Matt Farah?

  You know, so there's that.

• 22:05Speaker 01

  Home monitor.

• 22:06Matt Farah?

  So I, yeah, now I'm, I'm, I think I'm almost gonna get my global entry revoked for this.

• 22:12Matt Farah?

  Now, I gotta go, you know, you have to go through security again.

• 22:18Matt Farah?

  And I get there and she goes, "Right here, sir." And I go, "Is there pre-check?" She goes, "Pre-check's closed." And there's like a hundred people there. I'm like, "It's like 6 o'clock PM on a fucking Tuesday. Why would pre-check people go?" And I just go like, and I see a lady like 50 feet further carrying a pre-check sign. And I go, "I'm trying." And I just fucking run over there. I go, "Is pre-check open?" She goes, "Yes, right this way, sir." There's zero people there. And this lady just told me to get in this fucking line. So there's zero people, go right through security. But it's still a ways to this other terminal. So, so now I'm going, I'm fucking weaving through people and it's like Frogger shit. It's busy there and I'm going.

• 22:58Speaker 01

  It's like driving on the highway. You're like, pass on the right, pass on the left.

• 23:01Matt Farah?

  And, and I got, it's not like I was the last person to get on the plane or anything. Like, I got there like, you know, right as they start, as they started boarding. That's how fast I was fucking moving. And they were, they were late. Um, but dude, I'm like, I'm like sweating. Oh, I'm sweating. And, and this flight, even though it's basically as long as the flight I was just on, is not a lay-down seat. And the seat's like not great. And the fucking, Air American doesn't have screens. You have to use your own device.

• 23:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:32Matt Farah?

  Which, like, bro, that's a shit system. That's not, that's no good. And, uh, and the wifi was like being shit. It was just the longest. It, it, it was six, it felt like 12 hours. You know what I mean? It was just, we land in LA at 11, 11, 12 or something PM. We, and, and, and I can tell, I know LAX. I know what's going on at LAX. I know if something ain't. And we land and we do not turn towards the terminal. Instead, we go down.

• 24:05Speaker 01

  Oh, right. You went to Gitmo.

• 24:08Matt Farah?

  We go to, I went to fucking Gitmo. And I'm like, "Oh, no." "Kurt, uh, this is your captain speaking. Um, unfortunately, our gate is not ready." And I, I, the guy.

• 24:19Speaker 01

  My phone started vibrating, by the way.

• 24:21Matt Farah?

  I went. And the guy next to me and I was like, you don't even want to know, dude.

• 24:28Matt Farah?

  And that's when, that's when your phone started vibrating. Our gate's not ready. I'm like, not fucking again. Fuck you, American Airlines. You are fucking trash. And, and 20 minutes. Good news, folks. They've got us a different gate. The gate they have us is gate fucking 259. It's in like, end of the remote Bradley terminal. So it's like a mile and a half back to fucking, it's like the furthest possible gateway.

• 24:58Speaker 01

  What's the annex? It's like Terminal 9, which you have to take a bus from it. That's what I, that's what I called Gitmo. That's what I thought they went, they sent you.

• 25:04Matt Farah?

  Oh, no, no, no. Gitmo is where I think they have the fucking prison down at the end of the runways.

• 25:10Speaker 01

  Oh, where the Qatar planes are always parked.

• 25:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, but no, they didn't send us to the bus. That would have been actually somehow worse, but fucking, and then it was, it was like, I finally got, I got, got out, got an Uber, whatever. And there was just crazy construction getting home. There was like two detours between the airport and my house. It was just, I was like the most antsy and angry. This was hour 27. And, uh, I, dude, the rage, the amount of rage that I just had in me after that fucking day. And like, man, to go that far for such a short amount of time is, it's tough. And to then have, to then have the, the fucking long flight,

• 25:57Matt Farah?

  followed by another one that's equally long.

• 26:01Speaker 01

  Seven and seven.

• 26:02Matt Farah?

  That's tough, dude. A 14 is way easier than a seven and seven.

• 26:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, especially if your seat is lay flat the whole 14, then you do a bunch of different things.

• 26:11Matt Farah?

  Then it's drugs and seeing a little bit.

• 26:14Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah. You take a little nap nap.

• 26:16Matt Farah?

  So, you know, I didn't want to make that sound like complainy, but like it was just the most shitty stressful transit. It was brutal. It was fucking bad.

• 26:26Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, anytime there's like, I'm sure anyone who's flown anywhere, if you've ever had a layover, the concern of I'm not gonna make my next flight and the knock on effects of what will happen from that. That is instantly stressful for most people.

• 26:38Matt Farah?

  I had no cats. I was expecting to be home. Hannah's on a work trip. I had no cat sitter too. So it was like, I need to get home tonight, or you know, the cats don't need.

• 26:45Speaker 01

  Well, and if you go make that one, then maybe like, you know, it's the last flight of the evening or one of those things. Yeah, you gotta fly the next day.

• 26:52Matt Farah?

  This was like the 8pm to LA. There wasn't another one. Yeah, I might've been stranded. So really, I mean, and I spent 12 more hours in the air than I spent on the island of Tenerife on this trip.

• 27:06Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 27:07Matt Farah?

  Yep.

• 27:08Speaker 01

  Oh, you're there one night effectively?

• 27:10Matt Farah?

  I got there at 5pm, spent a night, drove, went to dinner and left at 6am the next day.

• 27:21Speaker 01

  Thirty-six hours.

• 27:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, thirty-six hours there and it was 27 hours each way. Each way.

• 27:27Speaker 01

  Fifty-two hours of flight.

• 27:29Matt Farah?

  That's fucking nuts. In transit for, for longer than there. So it's, it's on the leaderboard for, even though it was a very solid amount of seat time in the car, I probably had, I don't know, five, six hours in the car, which is, which is a good amount of time in a day. It was, it was all I felt I needed and like, you know, other than, other than this, than being in the far away, this was fucking, it was dope.

• 27:55Speaker 01

  It was perfect, but yeah.

• 27:57Matt Farah?

  I'm fucked up right now. It's bad, but.

• 28:02Speaker 01

  That's a lot of sitting.

• 28:03Matt Farah?

  But I had three cats sleep with me last night. It was good.

• 28:05Speaker 01

  There you go. Wait, don't you have four cats?

• 28:08Matt Farah?

  I do, but they don't all four usually sleep with us.

• 28:10Speaker 01

  For some reason I was like, what happened?

• 28:13Matt Farah?

  Cricket died.

• 28:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, you glossed over that.

• 28:16Matt Farah?

  PS Cricket's dead. No. But anyway, so that was my, my last few days. Do you anything fun, Zach?

• 28:23Speaker 01

  No, I sat around and attended to my spine. Actually, no, I take that back. We went to a very fun,

• 28:30Speaker 01

  themed costume party on Friday night, which was painful to stand around and sit around and talk to people, but. Some of my friends are extremely creative, costume-oriented, wonderful, crazy people.

• 28:43Matt Farah?

  Burning Man people.

• 28:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, but some of them are like, high-level professional creators.

• 28:47Matt Farah?

  They're in the industry.

• 28:48Speaker 01

  They're very much in the industry. And I think, yeah, one of the guys, Mike Diva, he created, like, this guy directs award-winning commercials and really funny shit. And somehow, in a year, when he also does this professionally, he made a band, like an 80s pop band, about horses, just for fun, just for goofs.

• 29:08Matt Farah?

  Is it called Band of Horses?

• 29:09Speaker 01

  No, it's called Horse Play. And the lyrics are hilarious, and the music's pretty solid.

• 29:14Matt Farah?

  Is the lyrics from the perspective of a horse?

• 29:17Speaker 01

  Sometimes.

• 29:17Matt Farah?

  Alright, cool.

• 29:18Speaker 01

  And I was like, alright, that's funny. And then he started playing, and I was like, this is one of the funniest, most entertaining things I've seen in a year. And I was like, this, I was 100% sober, in back pain, I was like, this is awesome. So, that was a really fun time.

• 29:30Matt Farah?

  Are you gonna be good to race a car?

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• 31:41Speaker 01

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• 31:52Matt Farah?

  You're just gonna fucking...

• 31:53Speaker 01

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• 31:54Matt Farah?

  Alright.

• 31:55Speaker 01

  Yeah. As long... My only real concern is the amount of frequent contact that happens in all of the Cletus races.

• 32:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:05Speaker 01

  And how that might go. But the seat, you know, you got this text too, like they ask, what's your height? What's your weight? So I assume the racing seat is gonna be fairly well fitted to me. And then harnesses and all that stuff. So like, you know, if crashing happens, I'll just relax and bounce off the seat a little bit.

• 32:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 32:23Speaker 01

  So I think it'll be okay. I think it's getting in might be uncomfortable, but it's two weeks out, I'm improving. And if the car's on fire, I'll get out quickly. And that might hurt.

• 32:32Matt Farah?

  And deal with the knockout effects of that later.

• 32:34Speaker 01

  Better than being on fire.

• 32:35Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 32:36Speaker 01

  So, yeah. I just, I'm not gonna, like, I skipped, I skipped chump this weekend in Florida. And shout out to my stepfather-in-law, like their team finished a race for the first time. These guys are so proud.

• 32:47Matt Farah?

  Oh, you weren't there to see it.

• 32:48Speaker 01

  I wasn't there to see it. I sent headlights for them for the E30 because it was a night race at Sebring. But I did bail on that. But racing Crown Vix Cletus race, like I've been wanting to do this for like three years.

• 33:00Matt Farah?

  And you're like, it's not like you have to do a fast pit stop change and, you know, in a Cletus race.

• 33:04Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah, it's just one thing.

• 33:06Matt Farah?

  You could, you could, you could have a crash and something could happen in a Cletus race. But like you could, you could end up in the hospital from doing a pit stop in, you know what I mean?

• 33:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:14Matt Farah?

  In an E30.

• 33:15Speaker 01

  And I bet our top speed in the Crown Vix will be much lower than it would have been in the E30.

• 33:20Matt Farah?

  Probably.

• 33:20Speaker 01

  Plus, I bet the track is smoother than Sebring.

• 33:22Matt Farah?

  That's the other thing. I mean, in some, an oval in Connecticut versus fucking Sebring.

• 33:28Speaker 01

  Yeah. They broke a shock again, and they broke one last time in a race there.

• 33:32Matt Farah?

  An endurance race and an abusive one. So, yeah.

• 33:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 33:34Matt Farah?

  Um, but I read, so this, this, you know, Mr. Willman's Motor Adventure, thank you for giving it to me. I finished it on the first flight. I finished this on the first, in the first day. And then I carried it all across the world for three more days.

• 33:52Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 33:52Matt Farah?

  Um, very easy read, a lot of fun, um, a lot of good behind the scenes, uh, stories from Top Gear. It's what you would expect from Andy Willman's book.

• 34:01Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 34:01Matt Farah?

  It delivers on that.

• 34:03Speaker 01

  Yeah. Really funny, really interesting. The, the, the story of like, uh, their Argentina problem.

• 34:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:09Speaker 01

  Was wild. I didn't realize how dangerous that was.

• 34:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And actually, his stories about him and Jeremy Clarkson in high school.

• 34:17Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm.

• 34:18Matt Farah?

  Um, I, when I then read Jeremy Clarkson's, like, column the next week about the Temerario, his review, like, so many things in that, that he said, like, came into a new focus because of how he described Jeremy Clarkson as a child.

• 34:37Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 34:38Matt Farah?

  Which is pretty funny.

• 34:39Speaker 01

  He really gives a lot of that good background that helps inform why these guys are who they are.

• 34:44Matt Farah?

  Right.

• 34:44Speaker 01

  And I thought that was really wonderful. And now I started reading Richard Porter's book. I'm like halfway through that, which came out a decade or more before this. And it's funny how, you know, both of them talk about the same moments because those are some of the most poignant moments in the history of their career.

• 34:58Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 34:59Speaker 01

  Just in different ways.

• 34:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Uh, good book. Uh, you should, you should get it and you should read it. Um, okay, so the Manx, I think, is coming back, uh, before the weekend, uh, getting its final test drive now. Um, okay.

• 35:15Matt Farah?

  The list of things that they have done to the Manx, okay? This is awesome. This is, uh, and for the record, cause I, you know, I posted on Instagram, the, the video of it running and, you know, thousand miles. Uh, we did on it and they tore down the engine and, and inspected a bunch of stuff and upgraded a bunch of stuff. And like part of my ownership experience is the development driving stuff, which I, you know, have a, a, a, a pretty straightforward agreement with them. Which is that my car and my driving is development driving and if something goes wrong, they fix it like. And so far, actually nothing was wrong, but, um, you know, they had done a lot of engineering improvements on their own development cars.

• 35:58Matt Farah?

  Uh, and along with the, some of the things that I had some notes I had given them. Cause this radial engine's fucking weird and putting a water cooled engine in the back of a Manx is a, is a unique challenge. People like don't, uh, you, you know, when there's really no, uh, airflow directly over the engine, over the radiator. It's like, that's a problem that needed solving. And so, so anyway, uh, it never prevented me from really using the Manx. In the way that I wanted to, it never broke down and I really wasn't driving it on long highway trips anyway. So it was like, it was not a problem.

• 36:35Speaker 01

  It would just get warm, right? Didn't it overheat a little bit?

• 36:38Matt Farah?

  If you went over 65 miles an hour. It would slowly heat up because the radiator would stall. Um, at that speed. And so after like 15, 15 minutes or so, it would, you know, get up to like 230 degrees, which isn't like crucial, but it's like, you know, concerning when the normal temp is like 195 and, uh.

• 37:03Speaker 01

  Well, most cars cool down when you go sustained highway speed.

• 37:06Matt Farah?

  Right. And this is, this would, you know, I don't know if it would continue indefinitely. I never drove it to the point of failure, but it was clearly something that. You do want to be able to indefinitely drive your vehicle at a reasonable highway speed.

• 37:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 37:21Matt Farah?

  So, you know, and it was, I don't consider that a, it's an engineering limitation, not a reliability issue, right? So, anyway, that was, that's the main, main thing that they did. So, here's the parts. There's a new rear radiator entirely. The old one was an OEM unit. The new one is a CSF specially made, and shout out to Josh at CSF. He fucking rules that guy. If you want an awesome radiator, CSF, they didn't pay me to say that. I really do like them. Also, a new oil cooler. That is from CSF as well. The new retrofit nose radiator with the matching grill, really super stealth.

• 38:06Matt Farah?

  And so now we have this dual flow thing. So, there's a, the front, it's a front mount. And it gets, that gets the air at highway speeds, which, so superb. So, they updated the top cylinder barrel for dual path coolant flow. A new water pump from the BMW N55. Custom form fitted silicone hoses. CNC bent coolant tubes, front to back, that hide under the body. Larger oil sump on the engine. Larger oil tank with more baffling. The upgraded decompression valves, so that they don't get gunked during the startup procedure.

• 38:49Matt Farah?

  It's like they're made of some new material that doesn't gunk.

• 38:52Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 38:53Matt Farah?

  Larger fuel pump sock. Note, it's a Holley Hydra mat, which is a fantastic rabbit hole to look up. As long as any portion of it touches fuel, it will draw.

• 39:06Speaker 01

  That's so cool.

• 39:07Matt Farah?

  We use these in the King of the Hammers rigs.

• 39:08Speaker 01

  I mean, a lot of race cars.

• 39:09Matt Farah?

  This is a text from Mike.

• 39:10Speaker 01

  It's like this blanket that's spread out in your fuel cell, and it can just, it's amazing.

• 39:16Matt Farah?

  That's pretty cool. So, yeah, they've, they've been sending logs back and forth with Max and the Motec guy.

• 39:24Matt Farah?

  Um, and uh, yeah, so it's coming back tomorrow.

• 39:27Speaker 01

  Cool, that's a lot of little tweaks, but yeah.

• 39:29Matt Farah?

  He said, he's like, wait till you see it, like the, the, he said, the power is just unbelievable.

• 39:35Speaker 01

  That's what it needed. Why not? Yeah, why not?

• 39:38Matt Farah?

  Well, you know, they said, the reason that even in my car, even at a thousand miles, the decompression valves, um, which is the plunger thing that you need to purge the oil. You know, that when they get gunked up, you literally lose compression. And so the engine over time makes a little less, a little less, a little less power. You know, and fortunately they're like, they're very accessible.

• 40:04Matt Farah?

  And so in your annual service, they would inspect them anyway, but these new ones are supposed to be not gunky. So, okay. They, they said they could also put in the auto, the auto purge thing, but I said, leave the plunger. I really like the, the plunger, you know?

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I was curious if they had like a tighter shot of?

• 40:26Matt Farah?

  Of the valves?

• 40:27Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, or like where it's located, but radial motion?

• 40:30Matt Farah?

  No, I don't, I don't, I don't know if they do, but it's, uh, they're like down at the bottom. Like they're just like things that go into the cylinders, like you can just kind of see them. There's like, it looks like almost like an injector of some kind, just like stuck in there.

• 40:47Speaker 01

  Just lets the oil drain out?

• 40:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and all they have to do is like unscrew it, almost like an O, yeah, more like an O2 sensor looking thing than a, than an injector. But like, yeah, they just like unscrew it and inspect it and clean and stick it back in.

• 40:58Speaker 01

  Oh, that's cool.

• 40:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's really, really easy for service. It's like five minutes.

• 41:02Speaker 01

  Especially because the engine is just there, you know, there's nothing around it.

• 41:05Matt Farah?

  So, and then they've got, uh, the new tune, you know, for the throttle mapping based on my data logs and my inputs. So that's cool.

• 41:13Speaker 01

  Cool.

• 41:15Matt Farah?

  Good times, good fucking times, man. Um.

• 41:19Matt Farah?

  Did, I think while I was gone, uh, the government killed Polestar?

• 41:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, uh, that is true.

• 41:26Matt Farah?

  Did that happen?

• 41:27Speaker 01

  It did. So, I mean, the, the, you know, the quick version is the government basically made a rule that no car company that's owned by a Chinese company can be sold here. And aimed, I guess, primarily at BYD or something like that, but Polestar is primarily owned and maybe manufactured now by Geely.

• 41:45Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  And that's that, which I wonder.

• 41:48Matt Farah?

  What about Lotus?

• 41:49Speaker 01

  There you go. I don't know. That's a good question.

• 41:52Matt Farah?

  And like.

• 41:53Speaker 01

  Maybe they're like, Lotus is not gonna be a problem. You know, Lotus isn't bringing $12,000 crossovers here that everybody wants to buy.

• 42:01Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah, it's true.

• 42:02Speaker 01

  Their EV crossover is very expensive.

• 42:05Matt Farah?

  Fucking like tariff on this thing.

• 42:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true. Yeah, I'll pull it up. Uh, unfortunately, Polestar, no longer available.

• 42:13Matt Farah?

  That's, but free market, huh? Crazy. That's the, that's your free market, uh, free market capitalism there.

• 42:21Speaker 01

  It's never a free market.

• 42:22Matt Farah?

  No, of course.

• 42:22Speaker 01

  But they, I mean, they presented it as such, of course. Yeah. I just want to tell people in case they don't understand your sarcasm.

• 42:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:28Speaker 01

  And this is tough because.

• 42:30Matt Farah?

  It's too bad. That looks like it would be a nice car.

• 42:32Speaker 01

  Like, I understand the position. I mean, if you let BYD in here selling $14,000 cars, I mean, let's assume you don't tariff them, which they would. All the OEMs are done.

• 42:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 42:44Speaker 01

  You know, and that's like, and all the jobs that are supported by the OEMs are done because China can make these cars much cheaper for so many reasons. Some human exploitation, some resource management, some blah, blah, blah.

• 42:55Matt Farah?

  Their supply chain is like crazy.

• 42:57Speaker 01

  Supply chain is amazing and we can't do that. And so that would just be the end of, you know, so many industries.

• 43:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 43:03Speaker 01

  So I get that, you know, there's a reason to protect that kind of stuff, but the byproduct here, of course, is that no more Polestar.

• 43:12Matt Farah?

  Which, I mean.

• 43:16Matt Farah?

  They never really like found it, did they?

• 43:19Speaker 01

  They didn't.

• 43:20Matt Farah?

  Like, did you ever drive any Polestar that if they switched the badges, wouldn't just be a Volvo? I mean, right? Like, and especially once Volvo started selling electric cars, it's like, well, now, now what's the fucking difference?

• 43:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, Polestar was like their R and D thing for a while. I mean, in the beginning, it was their skunk works. And then it was like, is this their EV skunk works? And then they just kind of take the stuff and put it in the Volvo. But I agree with you. Like, they look cool. They look a little different from Volvo. But if I was in the market for a quote Swedish EV, and I would just get a Volvo. It's more recognizable. People know what it is. Resale is probably better because people know what it is. I see so few Polestars in the wild.

• 44:01Matt Farah?

  I don't see a lot. Although I do know people who got, you know, got twos like pretty cheap, like real cheap lease deals.

• 44:10Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 44:11Matt Farah?

  And it's not like the ones we've driven have been like terrible. It's not, they're not bad cars.

• 44:16Speaker 01

  They're good cars.

• 44:17Matt Farah?

  But like, they're Volvos. They're so clearly Volvos, like.

• 44:21Speaker 01

  The interior is very Volvo. The exterior looked a little different. And like, I would say that I never drove a Polestar that felt distinct, mostly because EVs don't really feel distinct. It was like, alright, this ride's fine or sport. The one, the one, the two we had was like the sporty one, kind of firm, which was odd. But yeah, when you get in, you go, I'm sitting in a Volvo. I could be in any Volvo right now.

• 44:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 44:41Speaker 01

  And that's what it is.

• 44:43Matt Farah?

  If I see a Polestar One, it makes me smile.

• 44:45Speaker 01

  That's a good looking car.

• 44:46Matt Farah?

  That's a beautiful car, isn't it?

• 44:48Speaker 01

  That stands out because they, I don't think Volvo sells a coupe anymore.

• 44:52Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 44:52Speaker 01

  Maybe not one that pretty.

• 44:55Matt Farah?

  No. Volvo sell a coupe? No. The C30?

• 44:58Speaker 01

  The one was, yeah, that's, that's, that's a weird hatch. So, that's why the Polestar One stood out.

• 45:04Matt Farah?

  That shit was gorgeous.

• 45:05Speaker 01

  It was.

• 45:05Matt Farah?

  Do you think Harris still has his? He bought one of the press cars. He hasn't talked about it in a long time. My guess is he dumped it.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  He probably did. But he had it for a while and liked it a lot.

• 45:14Matt Farah?

  I offered to buy the press car too.

• 45:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 45:16Matt Farah?

  If they had got off their ass and at the time I actually needed a car, I 100% would have bought that press car and been happy with it.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  It was like a, it's like a pretty Volt.

• 45:27Matt Farah?

  It was sick. Yeah. It just didn't have a lot of trunk space.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  No, the whole trunk was filled. It was like having a speaker box.

• 45:32Matt Farah?

  It was full of batteries.

• 45:32Speaker 01

  Right, but you'd open it and it was like you had, you know, two 16s in the back and then here's your little backpack area.

• 45:38Matt Farah?

  It was a front wheel drive gas powertrain and a rear wheel drive electric powertrain. So the batteries and the motors were all in the back where like a trunk would be. So you could, it kinda looked cool, but you could only fit like a duffel bag in that.

• 45:53Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 45:54Matt Farah?

  Like, this photo does not show, I think, the accuracy of like how small, yeah, there, that's the charging cable. So you could see, it's really not much space at all. Yeah.

• 46:07Speaker 01

  Like, you can fit a turkey platter.

• 46:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Oh, here's, there's a piece of, some kind of piece of luggage. That's like a briefcase is in there.

• 46:15Speaker 01

  That, you know what? I bet that's the case that holds the charging cable.

• 46:18Matt Farah?

  Oh, you're probably right. Yeah. Yeah. But I did, I did love it. I did love it.

• 46:23Speaker 01

  Yeah. But yeah, that was a weird news story last week. We're like, huh, okay.

• 46:27Matt Farah?

  It was, it was Vespa's 80th anniversary. Did you see the gathering of all the fucking Vespas?

• 46:32Speaker 01

  I did, yeah.

• 46:33Matt Farah?

  There was, of course, the Angeles Death Highway thing. Guys, look, I, I love you guys, but like, when there's an Angeles Death Highway video about me, you don't literally need to DM it to me. You're just gonna have to trust that I will see it.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 46:50Matt Farah?

  I don't, it's not, if you wanna start a conversation with me in the DMs and you have questions, like, I pretty, I interact with people most of the time in the DMs and Instagram, but like, just sending a thing that I am really clearly gonna see.

• 47:05Speaker 01

  Yeah. I didn't send it to you for that reason. And two days, two days after it came out, Sarah was like, has Matt seen the thing?

• 47:12Matt Farah?

  The one of me, the one of me riding down like PCH and singing. You didn't like that one?

• 47:18Speaker 01

  No, and I, it's, it's not by Angeles Death Highway.

• 47:20Matt Farah?

  Oh, it was by someone else?

• 47:21Speaker 01

  It's by like a copycat.

• 47:22Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 47:23Speaker 01

  And, uh...

• 47:25Matt Farah?

  The Cars and Coffee one was pretty funny.

• 47:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, that was Angel's Death Highway. And that was pretty funny.

• 47:29Matt Farah?

  It was pretty funny, although the singing thing, he kinda lost me at the end.

• 47:33Speaker 01

  The thing, I mean, I DM'd the guy, and I thought the first half was really strong. I thought the jokes about the Ferrari owners was really funny. Second owners by wheels, I thought that joke was great. And, but none of us make fun of you for driving a Vespa. Like, we all get it. So I thought that, there just wasn't truth in that, where we were like, making fun of you.

• 47:53Matt Farah?

  I didn't think, yeah, I don't mind being made fun of, like, at all. And if you wanna make fun of me for driving a Vespa, have at it. But like, I didn't think that was a great bit. I just didn't think it was as funny as some of the other stuff. And not because it was about me, at all.

• 48:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course. But like, you know, as I've said, like, the credit I give to Angel's Death is he's basically doing an open mic in public.

• 48:14Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 48:14Speaker 01

  Every time. And some of the stuff is like, the whole thing is a banger, and some of it is just trying stuff out.

• 48:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:20Speaker 01

  The animation has gotten tighter and better and more accurate.

• 48:24Matt Farah?

  I'm just glad I don't look fat. That's fine. Don't mind. You make fun of me all you want, just make me thin.

• 48:29Speaker 01

  I think, yeah, he's made everybody look pretty good.

• 48:32Matt Farah?

  Dude, I have a plan. So Ali bought a Vespa.

• 48:35Speaker 01

  Uh huh.

• 48:36Matt Farah?

  He bought the 310. He got the dark blue with tan seat. Very classy. And like chrome, it's real like a yachting.

• 48:44Speaker 01

  It is, yes.

• 48:46Matt Farah?

  It's real yachty.

• 48:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's a little Tommy Bahama.

• 48:48Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:48Speaker 01

  Or Tommy Hilfiger, I meant.

• 48:50Matt Farah?

  Uh, yeah.

• 48:51Speaker 01

  He wears a red shirt.

• 48:52Matt Farah?

  Dude, and Ali is like Mr. Fucking Peter Millar shirt anyway. He's right there. But, we have a plan. He is shipping it here, and we are going to ride back to fucking San Jose on the Vespas. Uh, we're gonna ride fucking PCH. Because supposedly this winter's gonna be all fucked up, and with the weather, and PCH is gonna get fucked up again. So I wanna do it while I can, and, uh, yeah, we're gonna do it on Vespas.

• 49:21Speaker 01

  Awesome. That'll be so fun.

• 49:22Matt Farah?

  But I'm gonna, I'm gonna leave the Vespa up there and ship it. I don't wanna do it both ways and whatever, so.

• 49:28Speaker 01

  Write it on the five back down. Kidding.

• 49:31Matt Farah?

  Misery. Uh, I'm not gonna buy a windscreen. I think because we're doing it. Mostly backroads over two days. I'm gonna not do a windscreen.

• 49:41Speaker 01

  Alright.

• 49:42Matt Farah?

  Um, I think maybe if I do the duffel bag backrest thing, that that may offset some of it, but.

• 49:52Speaker 01

  I wonder, do they make a backrest you can add on to it?

• 49:55Matt Farah?

  I'll look in the accessories catalog.

• 49:58Speaker 01

  Or just over stuff your back, your duffel.

• 50:00Matt Farah?

  You know what they do make that I've seen are like pegs that like go go in the sides and you like just rest your like feet on.

• 50:10Speaker 01

  Oh, out front, hog style?

• 50:11Matt Farah?

  So you can just fucking stretch your feet out straight on pegs.

• 50:14Speaker 01

  That's not a bad idea. Yeah. I remember when I used to ride, like you just after a couple hours, like just dangle your legs for a bit, just to stretch your knees out.

• 50:21Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 50:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:21Matt Farah?

  I mean, we're gonna do it over two days, so it's gonna be.

• 50:24Speaker 01

  You guys will stop and take a lot of breaks. That's very cool.

• 50:26Matt Farah?

  It's gonna be so fun.

• 50:27Speaker 01

  That is very charming.

• 50:28Matt Farah?

  Uh, if if there is anybody in LA that has a Vespa that wants to tag along, you could DM me. I mean, I'm not fucking buying your dinner, but.

• 50:40Speaker 01

  Peter Piper right now.

• 50:41Matt Farah?

  If we want, if if Vespa's only, not not motorcycles, must be, I'm being a snob about this, must be a Vespa brand vehicle. Then I will consider having guests on this trip.

• 50:54Speaker 01

  See how they are.

• 50:55Matt Farah?

  Hmm?

• 50:55Speaker 01

  Do an interview with them beforehand. Yeah.

• 50:57Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you definitely apply.

• 50:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:58Matt Farah?

  Um, and I also think I'd be, I'm gonna have to buy a helmet with comms now. My helmet, my motorcycle helmet is four, I just realized it's four years old.

• 51:06Speaker 01

  Yeah, you get the one with the Bluetooth in it or talk to Cory, but like they're they're pretty awesome now.

• 51:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 51:11Speaker 01

  And you and you and Ali could chat if you want to or not.

• 51:14Matt Farah?

  And I think, well, I just think I need some like noise cancelling maybe for just ear protection kind of thing. And you know, if you're gonna ride that much, a little music wouldn't be the worst thing.

• 51:24Speaker 01

  Well, yeah, plus like hours and hours of wind noise.

• 51:26Matt Farah?

  That's what I mean. Yeah, it's bad.

• 51:28Speaker 01

  It will, you'll feel like you're Joe a Cobra.

• 51:29Matt Farah?

  If I, I mean, even if I didn't have comms, I would still fucking wear earplugs. Uh, you know what I'm, we're not doing though, is no phone mounts. We're not getting phone mounts, no screens. So I said we should vugging, we should do it, no GPS.

• 51:44Speaker 01

  Oh, just, uh, just maps?

• 51:46Matt Farah?

  I, we don't even, I could fucking dictate you would drive from right here to Carmel Valley Lodge right now.

• 51:52Speaker 01

  Oh, then just do that.

• 51:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't, I don't need a GPS.

• 51:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I, I mean, I would, I use one normally for traffic and to know when I'm gonna get somewhere, but like, fuck do I care?

• 52:00Speaker 01

  I like it, go back to the 60s.

• 52:02Matt Farah?

  Raw dog, dude. Yeah, no screens.

• 52:04Speaker 01

  Just memory.

• 52:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and we'd go like the 33, like, we would, we would like, we would ride like, not the, like, not the highway.

• 52:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course, you can take the fun, twisty road, why not?

• 52:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 52:15Speaker 01

  That sounds rad.

• 52:16Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 52:17Speaker 01

  It's a charming date, it's like, uh...

• 52:19Matt Farah?

  It was a real mandate, though.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  Whatever, the shit's fun, um, that's like, what was the fucking movie with Steve Coogan and the other guy and they did, uh, like, the Italian Vacation, it was just, it was an excuse for these two comedians to basically just do bits the whole time? And they're like, they're having dinner at a fancy restaurant, and then they're just doing Michael Caine impressions. But they basically drove around and had like a mandate for weekends, yeah.

• 52:40Matt Farah?

  That's like, it was like James May and Oz Clark's show, and when Ally and I'd scouted the Northern California route, it was like a long mandate, actually, when he'd brought his Porsche. So, but now I, I'm, I'm gonna, we're doing a road trip in the Vespa, so...

• 52:54Speaker 01

  Oh, you just called the trip.

• 52:55Matt Farah?

  And that'll, and, and, uh, that will complete my break-in, so I'll get it, you know, I'll do the trip, and then I'll just have it serviced.

• 53:03Speaker 01

  And then you can do full throttle after that, right?

• 53:05Matt Farah?

  No.

• 53:06Speaker 01

  I'm just kidding.

• 53:07Matt Farah?

  I'm good.

• 53:07Speaker 01

  You know, it's like the, the turbo.

• 53:08Matt Farah?

  Yeah, just fucking blast it.

• 53:10Speaker 01

  Break stuff in.

• 53:11Matt Farah?

  Blast it. Oh, speaking of which, I mean, it's, it's not a big deal, um, but our giveaway car, of course, you can register, get, you know, go to the, go to the links, you know, enter to win this car, August 20th, it's a 911 Turbo S, modded by us, um, it threw a check engine light the other day, uh, and, uh, we called Mitch from M Engineering, he was like, "I know what that is," and, uh, it, it had a bad injector, so went to the dealer, got a new injector, under warranty, has paperwork, so anyway.

• 53:40Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 53:41Matt Farah?

  I don't know why that happened, but the problem is solved. And, uh, yeah, dude, this thing is, it's, it's got a, it's got a fucking M engineering tune on it and an Acura exhaust and a BBI suspension and HRE wheels. And oh, by the way, it is an incredibly highly optioned car. $275,000 MSRP. Fabulous color combination, comes with the stock wheels.

• 54:05Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 54:05Matt Farah?

  Also, so if you don't like the HREs, you can take them and sell them. And it comes, um, with a bunch of money to pay the federal taxes. No, is it this, it's not the sales tax. Yes, it doesn't pay the sales tax. It pays your, the income tax proportion, uh, bit of it. So obviously all the full rules and regulations are over there on the site. So, uh, please read those and, uh, yeah, enter. And one of you guys is taking home a fucking 992 dot one turbo S. Uh, a special nasty edition.

• 54:39Speaker 01

  992 turbo special.

• 54:41Matt Farah?

  Special nasty edition. Um, what, do we have, uh? Yeah, we can go to the people. Let's go to the people.

• 54:49Speaker 01

  They have many questions.

• 54:50Matt Farah?

  Do they? Well, I don't want to hear it.

• 54:52Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 54:53Matt Farah?

  That's not true. That's not true at all. I do, I do want to hear it. Um, um, um. Uh, don't, have you seen? I don't have the answer to the first one.

• 55:04Speaker 01

  I haven't either.

• 55:05Matt Farah?

  Well, okay, we're gonna have to, we're gonna have to abandon that one. Sorry, neither of us have an answer. Uh, a second Jay Z has, oh, I'm sorry. If you want to ask us questions for the live show, people need to know how to do that. Patreon.com slash the smoke entire podcast. It's where you ask us questions that we read on the show. It's also where you watch the show live, get the show early, get extra show, get, um, access to a bunch of, oh, should I show it? I have it. The jacket.

• 55:34Speaker 01

  Oh, sure.

• 55:34Matt Farah?

  Yeah. All right, let's do it. It's right here.

• 55:38Speaker 01

  We'll do it live.

• 55:39Matt Farah?

  Live and direct.

• 55:43Matt Farah?

  Okay, Zach. So, our latest collab will be available very, very soon. My boy Nick, I met seven years ago, before my wedding. This is a guy who started a company called The Grotto. They make custom men's clothing, made to measure. And you can design your own garments, you know, with help of them and their experts. And he made my wedding suit, made Zach's wedding suit,

• 56:14Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 56:15Matt Farah?

  made Nino's wedding suit, made Batim from BBI's wedding suit. And then he's made me like a bunch of custom blazers. And, and we were like, how fun would it be to do a collab blazer? That we design, and that the fans can buy. And so we actually had so much fun that we didn't do just one, we did two. Zach designed one, and then I designed one, and we're gonna be selling both. And whoever sells more wins.

• 56:46Matt Farah?

  So Zach's is not here, is it?

• 56:47Speaker 01

  No.

• 56:48Matt Farah?

  Okay, well this is mine, it just came, it just came in. And, these are gonna be sold in the full range of sizes. From small to quite big, now check this out. This is, and Zach, maybe you wanna like...

• 57:03Speaker 01

  You're on the wide now.

• 57:04Matt Farah?

  Here?

• 57:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 57:05Matt Farah?

  So this is a hoodie blazer. We did not invent a hoodie blazer concept, but I thought this would be so fun because the hood bit is a detachable thing that unbuttons from the inside. So you have a full blazer, but then you can pop the hood. So I'll, I'll throw it on.

• 57:28Matt Farah?

  You may need to hand-hold this shot, Zach.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'm switching to hand-hold.

• 57:31Matt Farah?

  Okay, switching to guns. Inside, we've got, we're, we're, camera's up, still this one? Inside, you've got, of course, our logo is sewn in there. I kept the liner of this one pretty simple, I didn't wanna go crazy.

• 57:46Speaker 01

  My liner is crazy and awesome.

• 57:49Matt Farah?

  So, you throw it on, you can zip this bit.

• 57:54Speaker 01

  Fits great.

• 57:56Matt Farah?

  Right? So you can zip up your hoodie, and then you get your, get your button going here. And now...

• 58:05Matt Farah?

  So the hood is made of wool suit material also. And so my concept was that I kind of wanted to invert the material that would be used for the blazer versus what would be used for the hood. So you could picture a jacket being made of this material with the gray and the checks. And this feels almost, the blazer feels almost more like a, not sweatshirt, but it's a very soft wool that makes me think of like a luxury hoodie. And so by switching them and inverting them, I think you get a really cool vibe. The buttons are amazing. Punch in on these buttons.

• 58:47Matt Farah?

  They're these really beautiful metallic.

• 58:51Speaker 01

  They're like metallic emerald.

• 58:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah, and it's a very kind of subtle, soft metal. And then you can easily, it'll take, it takes a minute to do, to undo the whole hoodie.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  So the hoodie is just like a little narrow liner that's kind of snapped in there? So you can pop it out and then you have a, you know, pretty well-fitted blazer that you can wear?

• 59:11Matt Farah?

  And then it's embroidered in there. It's Grotto X T S T. And that, that isn't just a branding. When you can read it, you know which side is inside. It tells you which is, which is in. But this is, this is my blazer. And I'm extremely excited to, to wear this one and for you guys to be able to buy it. And we are only, we're not going to be limiting them in terms of the quantity that we are selling. We'll sell as many orders come in, but we can only sell them for a limited amount of time. Because we want to take all the orders and then make all the jackets. So you have them for Car Week and the Woodward.

• 59:55Speaker 01

  Move that way a little bit. There you go.

• 59:57Matt Farah?

  For Car Week and for the Woodward Dream Cruise.

• 1:00:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:00:00Matt Farah?

  So mine is called the Woodward and Zach's is called the Monterey.

• 1:00:06Matt Farah?

  And, uh, oh no, the pebble, what do we call it?

• 1:00:08Speaker 01

  I think it was the Monterey, cause, cause mine's, mine's a lighter color, uh, liner, lighter color material, lighter color buttons, you know, we kinda wanted to theme them after the cities for the respective car weeks.

• 1:00:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:20Speaker 01

  And, uh, what's cool is like, you know, the hoodie thing, I like a lot, sun exposure out in Monterey happens, you know, it's something I'm really cautious about, pop it up in the sun, but also if it's cold, remember like even old movies, they would always like pop their collar up, like it really helped to keep them warm and it didn't really do anything. So if you're in Detroit and it's a little bit cooler out, you throw that thing up, keeps you a little warmer and it looks cool.

• 1:00:43Matt Farah?

  It does, and, and because it's not a full hoodie inside of a full jacket, it fits

• 1:00:48Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:00:49Matt Farah?

  like a, like a blazer. So, um, it's got a really good cut and when you take the, when you take, oh, I forgot to even show this. Look, when you, I forgot, I've got the, you got the contrast stitching up here on the lapel. The blazer was covering it.

• 1:01:01Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:01:02Matt Farah?

  I love a contrast, contrast stitch and I matched the contrast stitch down here.

• 1:01:07Speaker 01

  That's what's so fun at Grotto, like you can pick the threads for different parts of the jacket, buttons, all that stuff, and it's honestly only a few hundred bucks more than like, you know, a big mall store known for suits.

• 1:01:18Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:01:19Speaker 01

  They, they, they supply a lot of suits, as it were.

• 1:01:22Matt Farah?

  It splits the difference between mall suit and like custom Armani suit. It's much closer in price to mall suit.

• 1:01:31Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:01:32Matt Farah?

  But with, with all the materials available, like when I first met Nick, I heard about him from Batim and went to the Grotto and I, and I was like, I'm bringing my dad. And my dad fucking grilled him.

• 1:01:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:46Matt Farah?

  My dad, cause I was buying my wedding suit and my dad happened to be in town and he was like, you're getting a custom suit from like your friend's friend? Like, mm, let's see what this is about.

• 1:01:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:58Matt Farah?

  And dude, Nick had all the right answers to all of my dad's questions and, and came up and was like, who the fuck is this guy, dude?

• 1:02:06Speaker 01

  Like, why does your dad know so many things?

• 1:02:08Matt Farah?

  He ran Ralph Lauren for 15 years. Like, what the fuck, man? Bringing this guy down?

• 1:02:13Speaker 01

  I know, I was taking the SATs today.

• 1:02:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, but once, once my dad was like, this is a really nice suit. I was like, all right, cool, we're good. So, so I've been, I've been a huge supporter.

• 1:02:22Speaker 01

  Roger approved.

• 1:02:23Matt Farah?

  Roger, Roger approved. If he, if, if your math checks out according to Roger, or your suit construction checks out according to Roger, you're in fucking business. So anyway, Patreon, patrons are gonna get first crack at these. Although because they're not limited in quantity, you know, it, I'm sorry to say it doesn't make a difference, but it's a thing we're doing. It's fucking cool.

• 1:02:47Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:02:47Matt Farah?

  And we have a bunch more stuff coming. The shit that we have coming for you guys, I'm like so excited to be making. It's really fun. And the questions, circle back to that. A second Jay-Z has hit the Supra. My partner test drove a CPO McCon EV last week and found the entire HVAC panels. The entire HVAC panel moves when you want to turn on cooled seats or toggle the air circulation and she was surprised at how cheap it made the interior feel. What is, what does that mean?

• 1:03:26Speaker 01

  I don't know if it's like the center console, like the

• 1:03:28Matt Farah?

  Oh, like it, oh, it moves. It's the, no, it's the haptic button. Uh, yes, I think, I do think the haptic buttons make interiors feel, and what Porsche does, it's one big haptic panel.

• 1:03:41Speaker 01

  It's a big rectangle in the center.

• 1:03:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah, it's, it's not the best.

• 1:03:45Speaker 01

  I liked it better when it was individual buttons. Yeah, but they have to move a little bit.

• 1:03:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, when you toggle the cooled, it's better moving than not moving. I assure you that.

• 1:03:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:03:55Matt Farah?

  You know, um, and is it reek of cross cutting and lazy engineering? I don't necessarily think so. I think a little bit of that is true, but also when, five, six years ago, when they developed this car, um, you know, that, that seemed like kind of a futuristic way to be like, this is an electric car. So I think they're gonna be backtracking from that a little bit. You know, the new Panamera had those, had those and has backed away from them a little bit. I think, uh, I think they may do that. By the way, not a drive impression, but, um,

• 1:04:34Matt Farah?

  Well, some of the things, you know, I had, I was having dinner with Ferrari product people. So the Luce does come up and they have some incredibly bold things to say about why they think people will want one, how it will be received once it's actually on sale.

• 1:04:54Speaker 01

  Some well-written arguments.

• 1:04:55Matt Farah?

  The long-term resale value. I mean, they are, they're either, they're drinking some incredibly powerful Kool-Aid. I want to be high on that kind of supply for sure. And I don't want to like put, put, I don't want to like air people's specific words on the podcast.

• 1:05:16Speaker 01

  Well, the resale on used EVs is notoriously higher than the MSRP.

• 1:05:19Matt Farah?

  Right. And, and, and, you know, I, I asked directly to someone of a pretty high prominence at the company, you know, the American market particularly really will not spend more than a hundred and fifty thousand dollars on any EV. I mean, even like Taycan GTs, brand new, go out the door with seventy, eighty on the hood, you know, Saffires, like even, yes, a few people have bought Spectres, but not many and they, they depreciate. So I was like, what, you know, what is the, what is, what is it going to be with your car? It's more than a Spectre. And they, and he said, well, you know, we have a special, ours are special

• 1:06:04Matt Farah?

  handling and the e-motors are special. And, and basically rattled off a bunch of technological stuff, you know, that this will be a, look, will it be very fucking fast? Well, it's a bunch of stuff that to an engineering department and a marketing department, it feels exciting and innovative, but to a customer means fucking dick, like nothing. Like the customer. That it does not care if you have a radial flux or an axial flux. It's an EV. It's how does it feel when I put the pedal down? It doesn't care like.

• 1:06:40Speaker 01

  I think there's some customers that care, but I don't know if there's, if it's the majority.

• 1:06:44Matt Farah?

  That they would pay $600,000 for the privilege?

• 1:06:49Speaker 01

  No, no, but we know, we know customers who are car enthusiasts who get nerdy about their center locking wheels or whatever the fuck. But in this case, you're trying to sell lots and lots of cars to a much larger market. And a lot of people that buy Ferraris are not nerds. Like they want to show, have the expensive thing that they know goes fast. And they grew up, you know, loving the red cars that were Ferrari. This is a big departure from that. For many people, it's an emotional purchase and I don't know if this will have that emotion.

• 1:07:14Matt Farah?

  Totally. It's, it's very tough to put that emotion into any EV. Having special motors and having very good handling doesn't do much for Taycan resale, does it?

• 1:07:25Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah.

• 1:07:26Matt Farah?

  There's a precedent for this. It doesn't do much for Rimac. You know what I mean? Like.

• 1:07:32Speaker 01

  And like, obviously the badge will be a flex. Now that everyone knows how expensive it is, the people that buy it will know what they're saying to the world. But I still think the car has to look good.

• 1:07:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:41Speaker 01

  And, you know, it doesn't like, like we don't see that many Porsche Sanguis around. And like, we're in Los Angeles.

• 1:07:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:47Speaker 01

  And in some angles, it's, it's like a decent looking car and in others, it's very weird. And like, that's a flex. It's a Ferrari SUV. See way more Cullinans, Range Rovers, et cetera.

• 1:07:58Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, maybe, yeah. Maybe I'm going to be extremely wrong about this. It would be kind of funny if I was, you know, and, and, and others will be wrong about it too. But I don't think it's going to go well. And when I asked them straight up, you know, what is the, what is the extra special sauce? That makes this 3X, 4X more expensive than a car, another car that will feel like largely pretty. And they start talking about the interior. They start talking about.

• 1:08:35Matt Farah?

  Good luck.

• 1:08:36Speaker 01

  It's the yellow badge. That's, I think that's what they're hoping.

• 1:08:39Matt Farah?

  I mean, and I'm sure there is going to be some theater to it, and I do want to drive it. Like, I want, I want to try one. Of course, I want to try one. But...

• 1:08:47Speaker 01

  I mean, the question is, will it feel, you know, handling performance-wise with all their stuff, will it be a noticeable difference from something like a Lucid?

• 1:08:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:55Speaker 01

  That's the big question.

• 1:08:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:57Speaker 01

  And I hope the answer is yes, but I don't know, it'll be challenging to make that answer a yes.

• 1:09:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, and I suppose a Lucid feels different from a Taycan.

• 1:09:07Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:07Matt Farah?

  Right? A Sapphire and a Taycan feel really, really different. A Sapphire is like, almost like a, like a Hellcat compared to a Taycan. And I don't mean that negatively. Like, it's just a different feeling type of vehicle. It's slidy and looser and, you know...

• 1:09:23Speaker 01

  I mean, it's when you turn the stuff. I think, I like the steering in the Lucid better than the Taycan. I think Taycan's a little bit too heavy.

• 1:09:29Matt Farah?

  If you're talking about my Taycan, you're probably right. Others are lighter.

• 1:09:33Speaker 01

  Last one I drove, the GTS on the launch, that was like two years ago.

• 1:09:35Matt Farah?

  Okay.

• 1:09:35Speaker 01

  You know, it was better than yours, but still, like, I think the Lucid's a little bit, a little bit lighter. But both of those are examples of really high-performance EVs, you know, near the peak of like, what we can buy and what we feel. So will this feel distinctly different? Or is it more like, keep looking at the yellow circle, keep looking at the yellow circle?

• 1:09:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah. To the tune of that much, like...

• 1:09:57Speaker 01

  So much money.

• 1:09:58Matt Farah?

  Ferrari customers don't tend to care what Ferraris cost in general. This may be an exception. You know, this, this one is, is the first one where I go, "It doesn't have a Ferrari engine." You know, like, "You don't have special batteries at Ferrari." Like, "You're buying motors from somebody." Like, "This could be a great EV, but like, multiples of..." Anyway, it was a, it was an awkward conversation.

• 1:10:26Speaker 01

  Right, yeah.

• 1:10:28Matt Farah?

  It was, it was, it was an awkward conversation, for sure.

• 1:10:31Speaker 01

  Dinner got real quiet when the food arrived.

• 1:10:33Matt Farah?

  This was after dinner, and it was like, you know, glass of wine number five.

• 1:10:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:10:37Matt Farah?

  You know, it was, it was, it was getting into the evening.

• 1:10:39Speaker 01

  And they, I'm sure they were prepped. They knew it was gonna happen. They knew every journalist at some point was gonna go...

• 1:10:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, well, dude, Homie stood his ground.

• 1:10:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:46Matt Farah?

  Homie, Homie stood his ground. He really did. So either he, either he really, really believes what he was saying, or he's very good at his job, and like, that's their job, you know?

• 1:10:58Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:10:59Matt Farah?

  But I wasn't buying it, and I let him know.

• 1:11:03Matt Farah?

  He was a good sport, though. He was, he was a good sport about it. He wasn't mad the next day.

• 1:11:09Matt Farah?

  Uh, straight, wait, straight of warm oo, oh, straight of warm oo.

• 1:11:14Speaker 01

  Warm oo.

• 1:11:15Matt Farah?

  Yes. That's gonna be Ghostbusters 7. What are your thoughts on a tiered driver's license system similar to the European model? I, I don't, I don't know enough about Europeans tiered driving system. I think they have a slower rate of allowing teenagers and stuff to do certain things.

• 1:11:37Speaker 01

  The training process is longer and way more expensive.

• 1:11:40Matt Farah?

  I, I, well, I don't know about it.

• 1:11:42Speaker 01

  It's a lot more expensive to get your license there, yeah.

• 1:11:44Matt Farah?

  Okay. Well, I wouldn't want it to be much, much more expensive because I would not want it to be a burden on low-income people to get a driver's license. I don't, I would hope.

• 1:11:55Speaker 01

  To get a standard license in Germany typically costs between 2,500 and 4,500 euro.

• 1:11:59Matt Farah?

  Get the fuck out of here. Wow. Wow. Well, I would not want that to be the burden of an American taxpayer, certainly a low-income one, but like, in general, I am very much for improved driver training across the board. So like, it's hard for me to reconcile those two things a little bit, but.

• 1:12:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, we've said this many times, like, more training would be better, and if there was a tiered system where you could do some sort of performance license, which then allows you to speed on a certain designated road, and of course, this would require massive changes in lane discipline and just the general driving rules of the United States, but that would be amazing.

• 1:12:40Matt Farah?

  Cars and reserves. Other than Top Gear, is there any other older automotive content that you go back and re-watch because you enjoyed it so much? Best Motoring. I don't regularly go back and watch it, but every once in a while, it comes up in conversation with someone who doesn't know about it, and I get to show them, like, F40 versus Mines R34, like, wheel-to-wheel racing, press cars is pretty awesome.

• 1:13:06Speaker 01

  That is very awesome. I follow Archive Rally on Instagram, and old rally footage is. is always impressive. They they had onboard cameras really early and you know that there's like less tech, but the driving is still dangerous. And in some cases, the horsepower was even higher.

• 1:13:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Oh, speaking of old school content, uh, I fucking saw Vicky Butler Henderson at the Ferrari launch.

• 1:13:28Speaker 01

  She's awesome.

• 1:13:28Matt Farah?

  She's so awesome and I can't believe she was there like the whole time, but like we we like must have just ships in the fucking night. We didn't, we somehow missed each other for the whole first, eventually at the second dinner, I'm like, Vicky, what the? And we like, we like snuck off and had like a 10 minute conversation and then I never saw her again, but like, I love Vicky. She's the coolest.

• 1:13:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, one of the OGs. Absolutely.

• 1:13:52Matt Farah?

  And I'm like, I'm so, I'm so bummed I missed the chance to get fucking Schwastet with her and she had to go, but uh, shout out to Vicky Butler.

• 1:14:00Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:14:00Matt Farah?

  Love her. Uh, Chuck Mangione in 60 seconds. Why are there so many people driving like a T-Rex? They sit so close to the wheel that they could almost drive with their elbows. Uh, how badly will they get hurt if they're in an accident and the airbag blows? True story. Um, you, I, you do see it a lot, uh, with, I mean, small women typically, older, older ladies a lot, small ladies. Uh, I don't see a lot of men driving like that, to be honest with you.

• 1:14:32Speaker 01

  Occasionally, but not as many. Yeah, I'd agree.

• 1:14:34Matt Farah?

  When the ma, the bad male driving position is the gangster lean.

• 1:14:38Speaker 01

  True.

• 1:14:38Matt Farah?

  That's the man version of the old lady T-Rex.

• 1:14:41Speaker 01

  Both of those lead to poor wheel control.

• 1:14:42Matt Farah?

  Fuck, yeah.

• 1:14:43Speaker 01

  You're too close or too far.

• 1:14:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah. No, there's a, there's that little, that little aside we had in the nine nine, in the giveaway car video in Zion where we talk about the lady driving a Sienna and when they drive like a T-Rex, doesn't it just seem like it requires so much of their attention just to keep that car going down the road?

• 1:15:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, they're, they're using full computing power.

• 1:15:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:10Speaker 01

  Just to do something that is very simple.

• 1:15:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:12Speaker 01

  And there's a look of like, well, sometimes they look like they're scared. Sometimes they look like they're just concentrating really hard, which I, I appreciate your effort in driving, but it just seems like this is a pretty easy thing to do.

• 1:15:23Matt Farah?

  It's like streaming 4K on an iPhone 4.

• 1:15:26Speaker 01

  And like the, the next stretch, like a meerkat and they're just like, oh, what could happen next?

• 1:15:30Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:30Speaker 01

  Um, I don't know if you, I guess you would get, if you sat too, too close, I'm, I'm sure there's a distance that's too close to the airbag where it is dangerous. But I haven't read the manual.

• 1:15:39Matt Farah?

  I wonder if, uh, Are there variable? I know like there's smart or second gen, third gen airbags are like they're less bad for you. You know, when you impact them, I wonder if at any point there's a, there's a thing that's connected to, to the seat position.

• 1:15:56Speaker 01

  Oh, it's a good question.

• 1:15:57Matt Farah?

  But I doubt it somehow. It's probably bad to sit really close to steering wheel and crash. I mean, it's probably just really bad.

• 1:16:02Speaker 01

  It probably is too close.

• 1:16:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I like water sports racing in the wet says, can you give some tips on buying and owning imported JDM cars? Uh, yeah, I mean, uh, buying, buying is really the same as any other car as long as you understand the, the paperwork, you know, there's like, there's like buying some shit from like an auction in Tokyo. I don't know anything about that. I have no idea. Use a broker, use call Top Rank or any of these other guys. Uh, easiest to buy, there's plenty of JDM cars on the ground in the U S now. There's plenty that have U S titles, like try to do that. It's just, that's just easier.

• 1:16:45Matt Farah?

  Owning them, I mean, the good thing about a lot of these cars are they're, they're Japanese cars from the nineties and two thousands. They, these are largely very reliable, dependable cars. They were really well made. And as if you buy one that's, you know, stockish or whatever, and has known service history and, you know, known anything is in, get a PPI, good condition, like you're going to have like a pretty well-made, like nice car that should work pretty good. Um, the Delica has been 100% reliable, like we've had, I've had to do two oil changes. And, uh, and we did that, I mean, we did a major service, but, um, it was part of a promo thing.

• 1:17:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:17:29Matt Farah?

  For Tire Pros. So like, a lot of what we did wasn't even really necessary. We just did it to get content. Um, but even that wasn't that much. I mean, and so a 1991 Mitsubishi Van is like, Being used just as a putt putt around town, run Aaron's car is like, that thing's gonna be it and the cockroaches.

• 1:17:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, that should be driving like on some narrow, narrow road in Pakistan, you know, back and forth overlaid overloaded.

• 1:17:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, having said that, the Pow, while not unreliable, it did have this electrical gremlin that it took fucking Mad Mike 30 hours to chase down. Now, it ultimately was a bad blinker stock. We replaced the part for $37, uh, new old stock, but like it would, nobody has ever seen a Nissan Pow before. So like, it's a very basic car. It's a Nissan Micra underneath. No one's ever seen a fucking Nissan Micra in America either. It's a shitty little one liter carbureted fucking nothing car.

• 1:18:35Matt Farah?

  But, uh, and, and the engine, the engine runs and it's, it's, it's fine other than that electrical problem, which is, and since we solved that is there's been no problem since. But having a person to work on it who is knowledgeable or experienced with a car you have i- in your area is really important. And there's gonna be, it's gonna, it's a bitch to find parts. Even some of the people who work on these cars won't work on them unless you get the parts yourself. Cause they're so annoying, cause you have to buy them from these Japanese websites. Like, Skylines are easier, cause the, such a huge percentage of the market is Skyline stuff.

• 1:19:16Matt Farah?

  And actually, a lot of the parts for Delicas are interchangeable with Monteros, the, the, the, the mechanicals are, so that, that kinda helps too. But expect to not be able to find or have a hard time finding random stuff. You know, just little bits that don't exist anymore or whatever.

• 1:19:36Matt Farah?

  And as regard, most Japanese, most of these JDM cars, like you could have someone build you a thousand horsepower engine before you could have someone like fix the air conditioning.

• 1:19:44Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:19:45Matt Farah?

  So that's a, that's a thing too. I, the, for, the only thing reliability wise, it's gone wrong with the Delica since we've owned it is that the, the air conditioning did work when I bought it and there was a leak or just the system over time, whatever, but it's R12 and I can't get proper R12 in California and to do a conversion to 134 is like $5,000 for this car. It's apparently like

• 1:20:09Speaker 01

  Nope.

• 1:20:10Matt Farah?

  almost engine out. Like it's

• 1:20:12Speaker 01

  And you, but you love driving with the windows down.

• 1:20:14Matt Farah?

  It doesn't bother me.

• 1:20:15Speaker 01

  This is the time to do it.

• 1:20:16Matt Farah?

  No, no, it's, it does, I don't really give a shit. Hannah likes being hot. It, it doesn't make a difference for me. I'm not going to spend the money on that. But, um, but like if you care, like

• 1:20:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. Think about those things.

• 1:20:26Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:20:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:20:29Matt Farah?

  Edward Scissor doors. Um, oh, when we built our barn, my dad had one request. He asked the construction guys if they could let him run the excavator a little bit. What large piece of machinery would you want to turn in that you've never operated before? Ooh, very good one. One of those huge, the fucking huge crane.

• 1:20:49Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:20:50Matt Farah?

  The 10 story crane that's up the road from here.

• 1:20:52Speaker 01

  Where you look down through the floor to pick stuff up?

• 1:20:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I want to try one of them.

• 1:20:56Speaker 01

  I would want to, uh, the shipping container crane. I think would be fun. You get to move those around and wrecking ball, of course.

• 1:21:03Matt Farah?

  Well, I got to do

• 1:21:04Speaker 01

  You got to do the

• 1:21:04Matt Farah?

  I got to do wrecking bucket.

• 1:21:06Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:21:06Matt Farah?

  Wrecking bucket was great, which is when I knocked down the old building here and you have an excavator and I just fucking smashed the side of the building in with the bucket. That was the shit. I loved that. The guy said, you're paying for it, boss. You could do anything you want. I was like, get out of the thing. I'm like, let's go. Yamaha BB, thoughts on Brew watches? Uh, I've seen them before. Uh, they did that collab with Alton Brown. Um, it's, uh, the, the, the aesthetic of the Brew watch isn't for me personally, but I've heard good things about their quality. And so I, I think it's a, probably a good company to buy from if you like how the watches look. Um, oh, and

• 1:21:48Matt Farah?

  what sort of factors do you think about when if deciding to buy from a micro brand?

• 1:22:00Matt Farah?

  Most people are looking for value in a micro brand. A micro brand often can deliver some really creative designs on dials and some really nice aesthetic choices at a lower price point than you'd get from a mainstream maker. And like, that's because the company might be like four people and they make most of their stuff in Asia or whatever.

• 1:22:28Matt Farah?

  I don't like buy a lot of micro brands, right? Like, Notice even is more, I think is a sort of outgrown micro brand. They have a full line of products. They've, I think they've probably outgrown the term "micro brand" at this point. But my main reason for support for buying a micro brand in the past, this may not be with yours, would be to support the people that are running it. I mean, I really like, I like my Weis watch very, very much, but I like more that I have supported the Weis watch company to the tune of whatever that thing cost. And I'll keep, every time Cameron Weis makes a new watch, I will buy one because I love him and I want him to be able to do that.

• 1:23:12Matt Farah?

  So, the thing with supporting any small business, provided they have a baseline of quality and they make the thing you want in general, is gonna be about supporting the people running it. Wheat City Night Court is smoked silver, part of the rainbow of colors we respectfully refer to as J R G.

• 1:23:36Matt Farah?

  Is that, oh yeah, I would say it is, yes. That is the Mercedes, sort of champagne-y color.

• 1:23:42Speaker 01

  Very light champagne.

• 1:23:43Matt Farah?

  This appears to be Daniel Craig's car in the Knives Out series.

• 1:23:48Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:23:49Matt Farah?

  This is what, this is exactly, this car in this color with these wheels is, I just watched the...

• 1:23:54Speaker 01

  The third one?

• 1:23:55Matt Farah?

  The third one?

• 1:23:56Speaker 01

  I didn't watch it yet.

• 1:23:57Matt Farah?

  That's his car in that movie.

• 1:23:59Matt Farah?

  My friend's mom's Murano cross cab. Are you garbage if you buy a 50cc moped because they don't require registration and swap in a 150? You are playing 4D chess, my friend.

• 1:24:12Speaker 01

  That's bold, but I like it.

• 1:24:13Matt Farah?

  But if you're swapping in the 150, while you're in there, get the stroker crank.

• 1:24:18Speaker 01

  While you're in there, a little nitrous.

• 1:24:19Matt Farah?

  You can make a 150 into a 174 with a stroker crank.

• 1:24:24Speaker 01

  But the bummer will be you'll have this power where you could ride on the freeway, but you won't have the registration. You could ride on the freeway.

• 1:24:31Matt Farah?

  Speaking of cross cabriolets, though, do you know what this is?

• 1:24:36Matt Farah?

  This is like every rental car in Tenerife. This is a Volkswagen T-Rock Cabriolet.

• 1:24:43Speaker 01

  That's funny. They took the rock like the Amrock truck.

• 1:24:45Matt Farah?

  Volkswagen has made effectively a Range Rover Evoque convertible. That's what this looks like with a Volkswagen front end on it.

• 1:24:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:24:55Matt Farah?

  And it's a very popular rental car in Tenerife.

• 1:24:58Speaker 01

  Oh, it's perfect for that. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. This is a weird looking car, though.

• 1:25:03Matt Farah?

  But like, I was like, holy shit Volkswagen straight up made a cross cabriolet and didn't tell anybody in America about it. I also saw one of those new Renault 4s on the road and it looked pretty cool. Was it a 4 or 5? Renault 5? It might be a 5.

• 1:25:21Speaker 01

  Oh, the EV one? Yeah. Oh, that thing looks really cool.

• 1:25:24Matt Farah?

  It looked really cool. Yeah, it was dope. Yeah, that was funny.

• 1:25:31Matt Farah?

  Okay, Siggs Inside. What are your favorite road and track performance car of the year cars and the biggest surprise so far?

• 1:25:42Matt Farah?

  My favorite road and track performance car of the year cars?

• 1:25:46Matt Farah?

  The Z06, C8 Z06.

• 1:25:50Matt Farah?

  The M2 manual.

• 1:25:52Speaker 01

  CS.

• 1:25:53Matt Farah?

  Not CS, just the old, the...

• 1:25:56Speaker 01

  The new?

• 1:25:57Matt Farah?

  The newer, the new generation, just because, just because I just did so much drifting in it. It was such fucking unhinged.

• 1:26:08Speaker 01

  Sturato.

• 1:26:09Matt Farah?

  Sturato. Sturato. Sturato might be number one. I think Sturato is number one, actually. Uh, McLaren 750, shocker.

• 1:26:20Matt Farah?

  Fucking 750 versus Sturato, that would be... Sturato, I think, has to have it.

• 1:26:25Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:26:26Matt Farah?

  Off-road sports cars are so good.

• 1:26:28Speaker 01

  If you, if you drive them off-road.

• 1:26:30Matt Farah?

  If you get to do it, it's just so...

• 1:26:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:26:32Matt Farah?

  Or on a track. Off-road sports car on a track? Unbelievable. Cause dude, you can huck, you could, I can do an easy fourth gear slide in a Sturato. No problem. Eyes practically closed. Unbelievable. So fun. You don't need to be Chris Harris to drive like him if you have a Sturato.

• 1:26:53Matt Farah?

  Uh, Christian says, "If money doesn't matter, what car drives better? 992.2, Targa 4S? Or GTS? Oh, I mean, drives GTS. The GTS is gonna be fucking 400 pounds lighter than a Targa? Targas are, you know, Targas are really heavy.

• 1:27:14Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:27:15Matt Farah?

  Cause it's a convertible with a glass roof and a metal roof and a power mechanism on there. Um, and it's gonna be all-wheel drive also.

• 1:27:27Matt Farah?

  Having said that, it doesn't make it a bad car. Um, if you are doing all highway road tripping, for instance, or daily commuting, a Targa 4S is your shit.

• 1:27:37Speaker 01

  Or like, big sweeper kinda car, meandering from one house of yours to the other? Perfect.

• 1:27:42Matt Farah?

  But you, but, but you're gonna, you feel that weight, um, compared to, not, doesn't even have to be a GTS compared to an S. You really feel the weight, um, of a Targa compared to a coupe.

• 1:27:58Matt Farah?

  Or wait, was the question, Targa 4S versus Targa GTS?

• 1:28:03Speaker 01

  Hmm, maybe they didn't specify.

• 1:28:06Matt Farah?

  Well, a 4S versus a GTS, I mean, let's assume he means Targa for both. And it's just powertrain, 4S versus GTS. The difference, the real difference is going to be at that very bottom of the power band. Like when you're just kind of cruising around at light throttle and that hybrid system's invisibly filling in all the torque. Whereas a 4S, you want to click it in a sport mode so it goes above the bog. You don't need to go above the bog with the hybrid. That's what I'm thinking. Carbs Legal Bakery, would you have an Acura MDX Type S over the Genesis GV80? Good question.

• 1:28:43Speaker 01

  Ooh.

• 1:28:44Matt Farah?

  MDX Type S is very nice.

• 1:28:46Speaker 01

  That was very nice. Their seats, their seats are also great.

• 1:28:49Matt Farah?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:28:50Speaker 01

  Um.

• 1:28:52Matt Farah?

  Ooh. That might be a tough call.

• 1:28:58Speaker 01

  It would also depend on, am I buying the car or leasing the car? Like I would, you know, if I'm going to buy one of these things, I'm going to look into like consumer reports, warranty report, all that stuff.

• 1:29:07Matt Farah?

  I'm pretty sure MDX has worked good.

• 1:29:08Speaker 01

  It probably, it probably will, but uh, you know, um. Man, I'm going to look at the.

• 1:29:14Matt Farah?

  That's a tough call. That really is. They're both good cars. I think you know what could really drive the difference between the two? Buttons versus touchscreens.

• 1:29:22Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:29:22Matt Farah?

  The MDX is a much more button focused experience. It does have a touchscreen, but it's got more buttons for more things.

• 1:29:32Speaker 01

  It's a very utilitarian interior. I mean.

• 1:29:36Matt Farah?

  But great seats.

• 1:29:37Speaker 01

  Excellent seats, really great seats, and they're, they're like, you know, driver assistance tech is super good. Cause it's licensed from GM, I think.

• 1:29:45Matt Farah?

  Uh, that's only in the EVs.

• 1:29:46Speaker 01

  Oh, that's only in the EV?

• 1:29:47Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:29:48Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:29:50Speaker 01

  Yeah, like this is a nice amount of screen, nice amount of buttons, everything's easy to find. But this doesn't have the wow factor when you open the door.

• 1:29:57Matt Farah?

  It doesn't look like a Bentley.

• 1:29:59Speaker 01

  Yeah, the Genesis looks way more expensive than it is. And the Acura might actually look cheaper than it is, than it is.

• 1:30:06Matt Farah?

  The Acura handles really well.

• 1:30:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, it does. Yeah.

• 1:30:09Matt Farah?

  The Genesis does not handle well. The Acura does. I think it probably rides better too.

• 1:30:15Speaker 01

  I'd have to drive it again.

• 1:30:16Matt Farah?

  The Acura is more drivers oriented. The Genesis is more commuting oriented, I think.

• 1:30:22Speaker 01

  And pull up to the curb oriented.

• 1:30:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 1:30:25Speaker 01

  I think I, if I was gonna buy one, I'd get the Acura.

• 1:30:28Matt Farah?

  I agree.

• 1:30:29Speaker 01

  I might just Genesis, just to see.

• 1:30:31Matt Farah?

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:30:32Speaker 01

  Ball on a budget.

• 1:30:35Matt Farah?

  I'd rather have the GV60 than the GV80 if I didn't need the third row. The GV60 EV, I thought rode and handled fabulously. And the, the front seats and the dashboard and all of that were effectively exactly the same as the GV80, but like a little better, because it was a little newer.

• 1:30:56Speaker 01

  Oh, quick offshoot note, someone, I can't believe we didn't think about this. Volvo is also owned by Geely, but they got an exemption that Pole started did not get.

• 1:31:04Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 1:31:05Speaker 01

  So.

• 1:31:06Matt Farah?

  Why did Volvo get the exemption?

• 1:31:08Speaker 01

  I don't, I didn't research it.

• 1:31:09Matt Farah?

  They were already here. They were here first.

• 1:31:11Speaker 01

  Speculation, they probably sell way more cars here, maybe it's worth it to them to get the exemption. Maybe they, you know, got someone a golden notepad and they got, you know.

• 1:31:19Matt Farah?

  A golden moose.

• 1:31:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, exactly.

• 1:31:20Matt Farah?

  Do they, do they make, maybe they make...

• 1:31:25Matt Farah?

  What Volvos are actually built in China versus built here and built in Europe, that could be a factor as well. Right? Because what, doesn't a lot of it where the cars are built to?

• 1:31:38Speaker 01

  Um, I don't, I don't know. But there is a Volvo South Carolina factory.

• 1:31:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Matt hates AI. What are some cars that look great but drive terrible and vice versa?

• 1:31:52Matt Farah?

  Uh, look great and drive terrible.

• 1:31:57Speaker 01

  Hmm, great, but, um, we've said it before, the 2013 SGT500 and the one after that.

• 1:32:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:32:05Speaker 01

  You know?

• 1:32:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Automatic Mark IV Supras. NA Automatic Mark IV Supras.

• 1:32:11Speaker 01

  That's what Doug wants. Enjoy.

• 1:32:13Matt Farah?

  Um, look great and drive terrible.

• 1:32:16Speaker 01

  Honestly, even like manual Mark IV Supra, I drove one with 600 horsepower. In the straight line, it did what I expected, but in the corners, I was like, does this thing weigh 8,000 pounds? Like, it's not great to drive.

• 1:32:25Matt Farah?

  Not great. Uh, early Vipers.

• 1:32:31Matt Farah?

  Lots of muscle cars. Look great and drive awful.

• 1:32:34Speaker 01

  What looks terrible but drives good?

• 1:32:37Matt Farah?

  No comment.

• 1:32:40Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:32:40Matt Farah?

  No, no.

• 1:32:43Matt Farah?

  July, July 15th, July 15th.

• 1:32:46Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:32:46Matt Farah?

  Hold, hold for July 15th.

• 1:32:49Speaker 01

  So the, the reviews about the coupe were the same. Yeah, that's a, that's a good call. Probably the Gumpert, you know.

• 1:32:55Matt Farah?

  Oh, I drove a Gumpert Apollo. Um, didn't drive that good. I mean, it drove like a race car, but I wouldn't necessarily call it.

• 1:33:01Speaker 01

  Not even a good race car.

• 1:33:02Matt Farah?

  I wouldn't necessarily call it good.

• 1:33:04Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 1:33:06Matt Farah?

  Salina S7s. Looked great, drove terrible. They're, they're no good.

• 1:33:12Speaker 01

  Alpha 4C.

• 1:33:14Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Alpha 4C is the king of looks great, drives terrible.

• 1:33:19Speaker 01

  Now, not to make fun of Dave, like the Lotus Carlton kinda looks like nothing, but you said drove great.

• 1:33:25Matt Farah?

  That's, that's different. That doesn't look terrible. It's just a sleeper, which is fine. Sleepers, all sleepers get a, get a pass, I think. I mean, unless it's like an ugly sleeper, but like a Lotus Carlton isn't fancy, but it's handsome. It's not ugly. No, you disagree?

• 1:33:44Speaker 01

  I think it's handsome. I was just trying to think of something that looks terrible, but drives really, drives great.

• 1:33:48Matt Farah?

  I mean.

• 1:33:48Speaker 01

  2011 STIs.

• 1:33:49Matt Farah?

  I would say it does not look terrible, but it, it's not, it's not in fashion. It's like C4ZR1 Corvette.

• 1:33:56Speaker 01

  Yeah, but it was in fashion when it came out though.

• 1:33:58Matt Farah?

  It doesn't look terrible. It's just like, you know, not exciting today.

• 1:34:01Speaker 01

  Oh, the C8 Corvette, in my opinion.

• 1:34:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:34:05Speaker 01

  Look, I really, I really, I do not like the way it looks, but man, that's a great car.

• 1:34:09Matt Farah?

  The base ones for sure.

• 1:34:10Speaker 01

  Yeah, Z51 package.

• 1:34:11Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I like, I like how they look with, when they get.

• 1:34:14Speaker 01

  Wide in the fenders helps.

• 1:34:15Matt Farah?

  By the way, did you see, uh, the, the new base car? Cause then they're now putting the 6.7 liter. The new base car with its narrow body can now hit 200 miles an hour.

• 1:34:26Speaker 01

  That's crazy.

• 1:34:27Matt Farah?

  Whereas the wide bodies can't, cause they have like more aero.

• 1:34:30Speaker 01

  Then now I know which one I'll get.

• 1:34:32Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Well, if you were gonna do like a big twin turbo build.

• 1:34:36Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:34:36Matt Farah?

  Starting with the standing mile stuff. Standing mile, yeah. Chappy says, "Oh, congrats on the Vespa. I saved 25 bucks a day in parking over that time commuting for five years and sold it for 500 bucks less than I paid for it. That and a stainless steel Rolex are the two best consumer purchases you can make in terms of long-term use value." I agree with you 100%. I said repeatedly, and by the way, not everybody knows this, one of the reasons Vespas are better than other scooter, they're metal. My Vespa is fully made of metal. It's not made of plastic.

• 1:35:12Speaker 01

  Really?

• 1:35:13Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 1:35:14Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 1:35:15Matt Farah?

  It's fully metal.

• 1:35:16Speaker 01

  It does not look, I mean, yeah, I just assume these days. Okay.

• 1:35:18Matt Farah?

  And so that's part of like the premium for what you're paying for with Vespa. They're very proud of that. But like, for real, I def, absolutely stand by that. That and steel Rolex watches are the best consumer products I've ever bought in terms of delivering on the thing that they say they're going to deliver on. Never a disappointment. The best. Song for the dead pedal. "I've been playing the latest Forza Horizon 6, which takes place in Japan. Never been a JDM guy, but finding a new respect for the genre. If you lived in Japan, what would your garage look like, applying the same monetary and spatial constraints you have here?" Same money in Japan?

• 1:36:02Speaker 01

  I mean, probably R32 GT-R.

• 1:36:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, you'd have Skyline, for sure.

• 1:36:08Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'd have whichever one I could afford, you know? Clap that R34 if possible. And little car.

• 1:36:16Matt Farah?

  You'd want a small car for the city.

• 1:36:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:36:19Matt Farah?

  Yeah. An AutoZam. I would want an AutoZam.

• 1:36:22Speaker 01

  Those are cool.

• 1:36:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But also like, I'd want... My Mercedes that I'm building to like have over there because like 90s Mercedes in Japan are like hard as fuck.

• 1:36:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true. I mean, I gotta go to that car show.

• 1:36:36Matt Farah?

  I would have an RSTI as well.

• 1:36:39Speaker 01

  Oh, a real one?

• 1:36:40Matt Farah?

  Yeah, like, yeah, like, I'm sorry, excuse me, I'm so used to being American. I would have a proper like 1998. JDM STI.

• 1:36:50Speaker 01

  That's a sick choice.

• 1:36:51Matt Farah?

  That would be the good choice. Lock, Shock, Daryl. Actually, I would also, I would have like, I would have the the proper tuners like build me something. Like I would want mines to build me the skyline. I'd want fucking.

• 1:37:04Speaker 01

  Ooh, silly S15.

• 1:37:06Matt Farah?

  I would want a spoon, you know, something or other, some crazy fucking Honda, yeah. Lock, Shock, Daryl says best beginner crotch rocket.

• 1:37:18Matt Farah?

  I mean, honestly, like the slowest one you can, like a 400, like there's a Ninja 400.

• 1:37:23Speaker 01

  They make a bunch of those now.

• 1:37:23Matt Farah?

  Yeah, my, my fucking trainer back in the day was riding a Ninja 400 and it revved to like 11,000, like it was actually pretty cool.

• 1:37:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:37:33Matt Farah?

  I would remember, and remember when, um, Nino's lady, we tried to get her, she wanted a bike, she was like 110 pounds, maybe. She wanted to get a bike and I was like, you want a Ninja 400? That's you, that's all you want. She got a fucking.

• 1:37:46Speaker 01

  R6.

• 1:37:47Matt Farah?

  R6 and crashed it.

• 1:37:48Speaker 01

  Into a chain link fence. She was fine ish, but.

• 1:37:52Matt Farah?

  Immediately.

• 1:37:53Speaker 01

  Immediately, whiskey throttle.

• 1:37:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:54Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I mean, I think when you and I were younger, the, the standard answers were like the SV650, the Ducati Monster, which were all like the lowest power bikes out there, but now they have a lot more options. So yeah, get a slow one.

• 1:38:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:38:08Speaker 01

  And just learn, just learn, learn, learn, be careful, be careful.

• 1:38:11Matt Farah?

  I think if you did, if you don't want a 400, you say crotch rocket, that's why I'm saying Ninja 400. If you want like a naked bike, both Zach and I had Suzuki SV650s and I think it's a fabulous motorcycle.

• 1:38:25Speaker 01

  Sounds cool. Sounds way faster than it is, which is great.

• 1:38:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, they look great. Um, they're really well made. Uh, there's a huge aftermarket for them, so you could keep it and upgrade it over time. Um, I really like those bikes. Pearl Lovebone of the Mad Green Dog says, "What are your thoughts on the new Bovenseepen Zagato?" Bovenseepen is Andy Bovenseepen, the former owner of Alpina, son of the founder of Alpina, former owner, who a guy I'm privileged enough, huh?

• 1:38:58Speaker 01

  Is it this car from like a year ago?

• 1:39:00Matt Farah?

  This thing, yeah, yeah, that's it.

• 1:39:05Matt Farah?

  It's a, it's a, it's a coach-built M4.

• 1:39:11Speaker 01

  I don't love this front.

• 1:39:13Matt Farah?

  Don't love the front, I mean.

• 1:39:14Speaker 01

  What is that reminding me of?

• 1:39:16Matt Farah?

  Fiskars.

• 1:39:17Speaker 01

  Nissan a bit?

• 1:39:18Matt Farah?

  Oh, I8, BMW I8.

• 1:39:21Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, a little I8 with it, yeah.

• 1:39:23Matt Farah?

  Look, I don't, look, I really like this dude. Well, the front, everything from the A-pillar forward, from the side profile, looks like an Aston Vantage, doesn't it?

• 1:39:35Speaker 01

  From here to here?

• 1:39:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah, kind of.

• 1:39:37Speaker 01

  A little bit, and the headlights look a little.

• 1:39:39Matt Farah?

  Mustang-y maybe.

• 1:39:41Speaker 01

  But yeah, but the M4, when the profile of it has looked like Mustang for a while.

• 1:39:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:39:45Speaker 01

  It trips me out when I see him.

• 1:39:46Matt Farah?

  But the side scallops there are Vantage-y. The rear is where they've done the most. They've really scalloped this rear end.

• 1:39:55Speaker 01

  Rear deck lid is big.

• 1:39:57Matt Farah?

  Big duck tail.

• 1:39:58Speaker 01

  Big duck tail, but like, not a steep duck tail, a long duck tail.

• 1:40:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, look, I like Andy a lot and I wish him success. This is not my favorite design, but it's all, it's based on a car that I don't think is a great-looking car stock, so.

• 1:40:15Speaker 01

  I agree, and I also, Zagato does not do, does not bat a thousand. Like, they do so many, so many one-off things, and a lot of them are great, and some of them are like, well, that's a little bit weird.

• 1:40:25Matt Farah?

  They go for it, and it doesn't always.

• 1:40:27Speaker 01

  Or their customer tells them to go for it, so who knows?

• 1:40:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah. And, and, uh, he's in a tough spot. I mean, Alpina stands for so many things. And when you sell that, it's almost like fucking, you know, Andy Wellman in the book, you know, when they started, they talking about the behind the scenes of, okay, well, we want you guys to make Top Gear, but you have to like, when they had left to go to the grand tour.

• 1:40:52Speaker 01

  Mm hmm.

• 1:40:52Matt Farah?

  And they decide, well, how do we make Top Gear without making Top Gear? And then they're in a pretty tough spot.

• 1:40:58Speaker 01

  Right. Yeah. With the lawyers. Yeah.

• 1:40:59Matt Farah?

  And those first season of the grand tour was like really fucking awkward because of it.

• 1:41:04Speaker 01

  Oh, my God. The price of the tent was so funny.

• 1:41:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah. And so, you know, Andy's got to make Alpina without making Alpina. The problem is, Alpina's sick. Like their, their styling is always just, they do bat a thousand, pretty much.

• 1:41:17Speaker 01

  Yeah. It's, it's very restrained, very subtle improvements on BMW.

• 1:41:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:41:22Speaker 01

  And with this, you know, he can't do that. So, so I get it. Swing more for the fences because you've been so constrained for a while. Yeah.

• 1:41:29Matt Farah?

  Uh, Jeep of Theseus says, what are some personal car buying rules that you give yourself? And have you ever broken any? Uh, no Florida titles.

• 1:41:39Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:41:39Matt Farah?

  That's personal rule for me.

• 1:41:41Speaker 01

  It's hard to know that they, uh, it's hard to detect if they are flooded until they arrive.

• 1:41:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I will never buy a car from far away without a proper PPI, ever. Don't, don't care what I have to do to get it.

• 1:41:53Speaker 01

  I would probably never buy a car from an area where they salt the roads. You know, what, if you can get an undercarriage shot, you'll know why.

• 1:42:01Matt Farah?

  By the way, did I, I, I told you, we got, I got the PPI back on that red car from Indiana. Did I ever, did I ever? I'm passing on it. So I can talk about it now. Uh, Graham Ray Hall has a red 1997 Celine S351R Speedster that I saw there and it was like stuck in the back behind a bunch of Carrera GTs and nobody was looking at it. And I was like, yo, what's up with this? But it was on original tires and it, and I was just like, I need a PPI for sure. Because who the fuck knows? You know, you might turn the key on this thing and just pisses oil everywhere, you know? So they did one and they, and actually bless, you know,

• 1:42:41Matt Farah?

  Shout out to Graham and Davis and their team. He didn't, I offered to pay for the PPI and, but they, they, they didn't charge me. And actually, other than tires, um, and, uh, and a bit of a weepy, uh, valve cover gasket. Not, not bad. It was fine, but it was, it was, the guy wanted a lot of money. They had it on consignment and I, with the Kunt, if we didn't have the Countach and we weren't doing the Mercedes, a thousand percent I would have bought the car. But with two other, it would just be extremely irresponsible. Um, I think they're going to run it on bat. Um, but it's a very rare car. They want a lot of money for it, but it's very rare and had 5,600 miles on it. So it's a,

• 1:43:23Matt Farah?

  if they present it well, it'll probably, they'll probably get the money they want for it. Um, but I had been looking for one and

• 1:43:33Matt Farah?

  I did not want to spend the amount that they wanted on this one. Um, but it's, uh, you know, it's a very rare car. So anyway, um, that's, that's, that's a rule. I had one more rule. PPIs.

• 1:43:47Speaker 01

  Don't buy a salvage title unless it's a race car.

• 1:43:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I mean, that's just a, that doesn't, that's not a personal rule. Uh, oh, never, never go into debt for a fun car.

• 1:43:57Speaker 01

  Hmm. Yeah.

• 1:43:58Matt Farah?

  There's a personal rule.

• 1:43:59Speaker 01

  For a project car.

• 1:43:59Matt Farah?

  Or a project car, or a recreational car, or a toy car. I mean, if you want to lease or take out a loan for your daily, cool, but like, and I'm not, I'm not your accountant. You guys out there, you're mind your own finances. I would never, ever go into debt for a fun car. And someone out there is going to be like, you're leaving money on the table. You could afford to do a loan and know your money could make more money somewhere else. Like really rich people would do that probably.

• 1:44:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:44:27Matt Farah?

  Um, but yeah, I don't, I don't want to make payments on the fucking car.

• 1:44:31Speaker 01

  Yeah. Some, you know, some people are like, I'm making 10% here. I'll pay 4% here. You da, da, da, da. Like, all right. If you're smart enough to know that, then you're fine.

• 1:44:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:39Speaker 01

  But a lot of, lot of people in the world, I mean, that's a lot of, you know, advertising, rolling over, like rolling over your negative equity into a more expensive loan. Dude, there's so many videos online of people are just not. Talk to financial literacy and they take their $60,000 truck note and they want, sometimes they want a truck that's two years newer. It's not even that different and they want, and it's 20 grand more. And now you're underwater already when you get this brand new vehicle, dude, it's so bad.

• 1:45:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Run GMC, driving cross country in about a week. Recommendations for other interesting quirky, non-car podcasts. Already got the dollop in Behind the Bastards. I also have my list of sports podcasts.

• 1:45:19Speaker 01

  I just started listening to a new show called Your Undivided Attention, which is by a guy that used to work at Apple and it's basically talking about the attention economy. And like the first two episodes, he interviews this woman who wrote a book about gambling in Vegas and how like slot machines were designed using human behavior and how like the rugs are designed.

• 1:45:37Matt Farah?

  Sure.

• 1:45:38Speaker 01

  And it totally applies to swiping, scrolling, all that shit. So that was really, that's an interesting new one.

• 1:45:44Matt Farah?

  Oh, I gotta check that one out. That's a good one. What is the one, um, fuck, it's like a business one and I'm blanking on it.

• 1:45:53Matt Farah?

  It's about like how big businesses are built.

• 1:45:57Matt Farah?

  I can't remember it, but I, there was like a three parter on how Rolex was built that I thought was very interesting. That's fucking driving me nuts now.

• 1:46:05Speaker 01

  Oh, Scott's podcast is fun. It's three hours long. So if you're road tripping across the country.

• 1:46:10Matt Farah?

  I listen to Scott Galloway once in a while, if it's a topic I, I think. And I, I, I also listen to the Garbage Day podcast once in a while. Garbage Day is a news, a tech criticism newsletter that is like amazing and everybody should get.

• 1:46:27Speaker 01

  Oh, search engine. I love that one. They do a lot of like, how does this little corner of the internet work? And they do such a good job exploring things. They were all, the guys that run it were like basically trained with, by Ira Glass. So similar reporting style.

• 1:46:43Matt Farah?

  Poop to sample with the 911 GT4 being announced. Do you see this as an indicator that Porsche has no intention of another Cayman chassis GT4 anytime soon?

• 1:46:54Matt Farah?

  I think Porsche would rather race 911s. I think 911s make better race cars than Caymans do. I happen to, you know, a Cayman, there's an argument for a Cayman as a canyon car, road car certainly, as and as a quote entry level product for them. It's a fucking amazing product, but they're, they're not making an ice Cayman right now and they gotta enter something in GT4 next year. So they didn't really have much of a choice but to do a GT4 version of 911. And I think if you're on a racetrack, the 911 is an objectively better chassis anyway. Most people who are actually racing those cars would probably

• 1:47:35Matt Farah?

  rather be racing a 911 GT4, given the choice. The question is, will it be the GT3 motor? Or will it be a turbo motor? Will it be like a Carrera based, you know, which could be kind of interesting. I don't think as of today, we have, we have, I've read some speculation, but I don't think anyone has said it, this is the engine. So be interesting. Go buy a C4ZR1. In the spirit of the fourth, have you ever had a car in a parade? Yeah, I did a parade in the Countach once. I'll never fucking do it again. The car was not happy. The car wasn't happy. It stressed me the fuck out. No. I would do a parade. I would have the Vespa in the parade. Yeah.

• 1:48:17Matt Farah?

  I would, I'd parade the Manx, I suppose. The Manx, I could just, you could just stick it in first gear and let out the clutch and just it could idle down the road at parade speed. That's true. Yeah. Uh, two more and then we're gonna wrap. Hi, hi, Sobsidey. That's pretty good. Wait. Oh, sorry. I just had a panic attack that the time was way later than it is, but it's not. Hi, Sobsidey. Uh, coming to see us in Detroit. Thank you. I'm, I got a bunch of emails. I'm sorry our venue isn't bigger. I, we didn't know how many fans we have in Detroit. I got at least five or 10 DMs after the event sold out. Um, it's a, it's a rather small venue.

• 1:49:02Matt Farah?

  But I'm sorry if people were not able to get tickets. Maybe we try and do like a meet and greet or something afterwards or a different time in Detroit. We could like hang out or something. But and next time we come back to Detroit, we'll book a bigger venue.

• 1:49:20Speaker 01

  Yeah, we have to start small because if we overshoot and you know, don't book it all out like.

• 1:49:24Matt Farah?

  That would be lame.

• 1:49:25Speaker 01

  It could cost us money or it could just be lame and sad and you know, all that stuff. So.

• 1:49:29Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you don't want to have a half full, you know, thing and I didn't, I didn't know how many we could sell. So we got, we got a one we thought we could sell out. Have either of you ever, oh wait, okay. Have either of you ever fallen out of love of cars and what was it that brought you back? I mean, there's definitely like, like I say with this job. It's like, it's like getting caught by your dad smoking cigarettes and having him going, you know. Oh, you like cigarettes? Well, you're going to sit here and smoke this whole carton where it's just cars and cars and cars and cars and cars. And you just go, I, I, I need to talk about something else, anything else.

• 1:50:10Matt Farah?

  You know, for a period of time. So it's been, you know, vacations or doing, spending time with people that don't talk about cars. You know, reading books about other things, trying to find a week or so where I don't book a press car here and there. And I, and I can just not have to worry about, I need to go drive somewhere because of this car.

• 1:50:35Speaker 01

  Funny enough, racing cars helped reinvigorate my, some of my interest in cars. Cause then when, now when we drive in the canyons, I'm thinking in that mindset, not in terms of how fast I'm going. But just like the way I talked to the car has kind of been reinvigorated. Taking breaks is important. I mean, this guy says they had a 12 month hell project that made them fall out of love with it. And you get a ruckus and it reignited it. Sometime, yeah, I mean, if, if you're not Rob Dom or someone who loves the project more than the driving or the completion of the project, that can be really tough. And so you either have to step away or I think having something that just works, that reminds you, you know, what you're interested in. And that will probably help motivate you, motivate you to go back to the project is really important.

• 1:51:20Matt Farah?

  Uh, last one. They could all be Zach questions if I lock the door.

• 1:51:25Speaker 01

  That's a good, that's a good name.

• 1:51:27Matt Farah?

  Uh, when talking mods or new car options, how much per pound should you pay for weight savings? Some old Car and Driver article says that the 2025 GT3, I assume this was a leaked bow, uh, was $37,000 to save 48 pounds.

• 1:51:45Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:45Matt Farah?

  Which I assume few will notice.

• 1:51:47Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:51:48Matt Farah?

  Um, so how much should you pay? Not that much. Not as much as that says.

• 1:51:54Speaker 01

  That's, I, I think, I, I think if you're modifying your car, then you can focus on like the simple things, the wheels, the brakes, the hood, maybe the hood.

• 1:52:06Matt Farah?

  If you really wanna go hard.

• 1:52:08Speaker 01

  The thing with that OEM is the challenge they have with Porsche is like, they've already lightened that stuff a lot of times. So the extra, extra light version, they're shaving mirrors or something like that. Like they're reducing the paint thickness, but that's because they already have the mag wheels and the light seats and all that. So for you, it's easier, it's easier when you're modifying a car than if you're like designing one from the dealership, I think.

• 1:52:27Matt Farah?

  Sure. Also, you should consider your own weight. I'm just saying, if you, if it's gonna cost you 15,000 bucks to, to cut 25 pounds out of your car, do you weigh 25 extra pounds?

• 1:52:41Speaker 01

  And imagine paying yourself 15 grand to lose 25 pounds, especially if you.

• 1:52:45Matt Farah?

  You get a trainer and a nutritionist, like.

• 1:52:47Speaker 01

  That's the best investment. Yeah.

• 1:52:51Matt Farah?

  Having, having said all that, money in, money out, that lightweight pack on the Porsche is not gonna cost you $37,000. It's gonna cost you $37,000 in. If you don't get at least half of that back, that, that package back, I bet in the short term, you get 100% of that money back and then some.

• 1:53:13Speaker 01

  In the short term, sure.

• 1:53:14Matt Farah?

  In the short term.

• 1:53:15Speaker 01

  If you flipped it within like a year.

• 1:53:16Matt Farah?

  Cause you're, cause if you, yeah, if you get the, the GT3 touring lightweight, that will be a valuable option package and you will get your money back. So you haven't really spent it. That's how fucking rich people think. So. Um, different kind of thing, you know, it's, it's if they're charging you that and then the car depreciates like a normal car.

• 1:53:37Speaker 01

  Right.

• 1:53:38Matt Farah?

  Don't get any of it. Get a trainer and nutritionist.

• 1:53:41Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 1:53:42Matt Farah?

  You know, or maybe a fucking lithium battery, maybe a lightweight set of HRE wheels.

• 1:53:48Speaker 01

  Well, it's like when we had the M2CS, you know, it was, wasn't it like 40 something pounds lighter?

• 1:53:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:53:52Speaker 01

  But it was from a lot of different places, but you could get close to that in the aftermarket and will you get that money back on the resale of that car?

• 1:53:59Matt Farah?

  You know, it'd be TBD. It's hard because with, at the OEM, it's, they're, they're taking weight from places that it's virtually impossible to take the weight out of yourself.

• 1:54:09Speaker 01

  Sometimes like the roof or something, yeah.

• 1:54:11Matt Farah?

  Or dude, I mean, again, not a drive impression, but one of the things about the Ferrari 849, uh, it has larger turbos than the SF90, those way more. To offset that weight, they, they shaved weight off like the crankshaft and the camshafts and like the water pump housing, like shit that you're not, in the aftermarket is not happening. You're not doing that yourself.

• 1:54:35Matt Farah?

  That's not how you shave weight in your own car by doing like a different crankshaft. So it's, it's not exactly apples to apples.

• 1:54:43Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:54:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Well, I made it through that show. How long was that?

• 1:54:48Speaker 01

  We're 1:45.

• 1:54:50Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay. Good. If that, that felt like.

• 1:54:51Speaker 01

  Your brain's working.

• 1:54:52Matt Farah?

  My brain works. All right. Good. I'll make it, I'll make it till two or three o'clock.

• 1:54:55Speaker 01

  Well, cause it's still daytime in Tenerife.

• 1:54:59Matt Farah?

  I never, I'm, I'm a master of, of the inbound outbound time change. If, if the flight home was smooth and not stressful, I would have been a little, a little different. Um, but, uh, the questions we will, uh, save for the rest. No, that's, that's where the brain stopped working right there. We will save your questions for the next show, but thank you to our patrons for asking such good ones today. Um, we don't have a release date quite yet for the Blazer, but it's going to be in the next two or three weeks. Zach and I have to do a fucking fashion shoot first.

• 1:55:33Speaker 01

  Yep.

• 1:55:35Matt Farah?

  But uh, they're gonna, these are gonna be affordable, by the way. Where we

• 1:55:39Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, our target price was, yeah.

• 1:55:42Matt Farah?

  Our target price for this is, is not the price of a custom-made suit. Our target price of this is the, the price of a mall blazer. But, but getting something much more interesting and special than a mall. That's, that's sort of how we like to do things around here.

• 1:55:58Matt Farah?

  Thanks, everybody. Appreciate you. See you next time. Bye.