Putin's Gaslighting & Gaza's Nightmare | EYES ON GEOPOLITICS

In this episode, Dee, Mick Mulroy, and Jason Lyons discuss the recent unprecedented attack by Ukraine on Russian military bases, the implications of this event, and the ongoing humanitarian crisis in Gaza. They delve into the complexities of arming militia groups in Gaza, the challenges of countering Hamas, and the future of U. S. military presence in Syria. The conversation highlights the intricate dynamics of international relations and military strategy in the context of current geopolitical tensions. Support the show on Patreon:⬇️ https://www.patreon.com/TheTeamHouse New merch, patches, and stickers! ⬇️ https://theteamhouse-shop.fourthwall.com Find Mick Mulroy here: Fogbow ⬇️ https://fogbow.com/ Lobo Institute ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/ Twitter ⬇️ https://x.com/mickmulroy?s=21&t=-Ze3F_Ix2vlJ18KFvORTCA LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/michael-patrick-mulroy-31198b52/ Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/mickmulroy.bsky.social Mick’s publications ⬇️ https://www.loboinstitute.org/publications/publications-of-michael-mick-patrick-mulroy/ Find Andy Milburn here: Twitter ⬇️ https://twitter.com/i/flow/login?redirect_after_login=%2Fandymilburn8 LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewmilburn2023 Substack ⬇️ https://amilburn.substack.com/ Andy’s book ⬇️ https://www.amazon.com/When-Tempest-Gathers-Mogadishu-Operations Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/andy-milburn.bsky.social Find Jason Lyons here: LinkedIn ⬇️ https://www.linkedin.com/in/jason-lyons-666873316?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share_via&utm_content=profile&utm_medium=ios_app Bluesky ⬇️ https://bsky.app/profile/bgsilverback73.bsky.social 00:00 The Unprecedented Attack on Russian Military Bases 09:54 Humanitarian Crisis in Gaza 20:28 The Complexities of Arming Militia Groups 28:38 The Challenges of Countering Hamas 40:23 The Future of U. S. Presence in Syria Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-team-house--5960890/support?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss.

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• 1:41Speaker 03

  Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Eyes on Geopolitics. I'm here with Mick Mulroy, Jason Lyons.

• 1:48Speaker 03

  I feel like we need to make a T-shirt saying, "A lot is cooking", because it's always seems to be the case. There's nothing like a boring kind of a boring kind of week between times when we speak. Most recent, obviously, everyone's very much aware of the incredible unprecedented attack

• 2:06Speaker 03

  Ukraine put on Russian military bases that trashed at least 20 plus of their bombers, AWACSs, I think one cargo plane.

• 2:21Speaker 03

  Just I want to talk a little bit about that just because of like the reaction that came out of Moscow and Putin's particularly where like this was like an egregious terrorist attack uh which is Matt mind boggling like you know um Putin and Russia regularly bombed civilian areas in Ukraine the the country they invaded they don't really miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity to like kill citizens and civilians people that are non combatants um I want to talk a little bit about that just like the absolute gaslight nonsense that comes out of the Kremlin where like they play the victim like it's it's incredible it's like probably what it's like being in an abusive relationship where it's just like

• 3:06Speaker 03

  the you know you're living in a la la land you're living in an absolute fantasy world with the person you're you're dealing with so I don't know that's I don't know what I have no question here nothing make go ahead you take the lead you're the professional here

• 3:20Speaker 04

  well first of all greetings from Nairobi Kenya the birthplace of Homo sapiens and Tusker so anybody that's ever spent time in uh in Nairobi knows Tusker it's one it's a great beer great beer so two good things come from well at least one good thing comes from Kenya humans I guess we're still

• 3:43Speaker 03

  Jerry's still out on that yeah

• 3:45Speaker 04

  Jerry's still out on us um so I would say uh incredible operation like the ability to set this up is going to be studied by intelligence agencies and special operation forces forever yeah it's not only a super intelligence driven um operation but the the infusion of technology the infusion of low cost technology to have massive billion dollar impacts I think will be studied forever not just for us to do it but the fact that uh most modern militaries are extraordinarily vulnerable to these type of attacks uh if

• 4:27Speaker 04

  it could be done there it can be done you know in a lot of other places um I've seen some people say oh they shouldn't have done it because now they're not gonna have a ceasefire I would only say look man I don't know any Any adversary in history that didn't fight back hard to ever get to a place where they could have a ceasefire that's in their interest, ever, right? So laying over and playing dead with a country like Russia or any country that decided to invade you is never going to work out in your benefit. So will they escalate? Yes. Will they attack civilians? Yes. Have they been attacking civilians since February of 2022? Yes. And they're doing it again.

• 5:10Speaker 04

  So we saw a massive barrage, 450, I think it was 400 drones and 50 crews and ballistic missiles, and about 400 of them were intercepted. Kudos to the Ukrainian air missile defense folks. That's impressive. But it's also important to point out, as you pointed out, Dee, they targeted primarily urban centers, which are civilians.

• 5:35Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 5:36Speaker 04

  So the terrorists in this are clear. If you attack and kill civilians on purpose, for your own political reasons, and this is obviously a political reason, the taking over of a country, you're a terrorist, right? So if you attack an airbase, strategic bombers that are sending cruise missiles at your country, you're not a terrorist, you're a military. So that's clear. That's just a basic definition. And I do think now it's really incumbent on the support of Ukraine, Europe, and the United States, and others, because there are others, like we usually mention them, but don't forget Japan and other countries around the world to do, to double down on supporting Ukraine.

• 6:16Speaker 04

  They've showed they have the tenacity, the willingness, the competency, the innovation to fight a country that's way larger than that, and basically fight it to a standstill. If you look at the map a year ago and look at it right now, it's not changed that much. Russia's losing 1,200 casualties a day, upwards around, I've seen as high as 900 of them, fatalities. So they are barely making any progress. If the US and Europe and other countries were to double down on our security assistance...

• 6:49Speaker 04

  They could turn the tides here. And as we start cutting off economically Russia through secondary sanctions and anything else we can do, unfreezing their assets to give to Ukraine. That would, and I'm like a broken record on that because it's quite frankly, I'll stop saying it when it starts happening.

• 7:06Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:07Speaker 04

  But that's, that needs to happen. And I think that would be the quickest way to end this, which, you know, my concern, I'm more, way more concerned about Ukraine, just to be blunt, but it's also good for Russia. I mean, they're gonna lose an entire generation of, of men. I think they already did, right? They're what, 700, I think the British, UK intelligence puts it over 700,000 casualties, over 200,000 fatalities. Just to put that in perspective, we lost 58,000 fatalities in the Vietnam War, the entire Vietnam War.

• 7:41Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 7:42Speaker 04

  So, um, this is not only good for Ukraine, the West, democracy, the US standing in the world as the leader of the free nations, it's good for Russia. Particularly the ones that are being used as complete fodder to try to take ground that essentially amounts to nothing. Uh, and, and nobody cares about them. They, they literally go out there with no training and no equipment, um, and they're just getting butchered. So if we collectively, we being the international community, want to end this, that's what needs to happen. The Ukrainians have showed they're willing to fight and fight as hard as it takes to win this thing.

• 8:17Speaker 05

  And D, going back to your, your statement as well, too, uh, we need to think about who we're dealing with here. Putin is, he is one of the masters of manipulation, so he knows the key words to use. He knows it's not terrorism, but he also knows that using those words will look good on the international stage to his sympathizers and to most or some of his people. Um, I mean, it's been used on and off over the years, you know, since, uh, the seventies, you know, when terrorism really became prevalent, but definitely after nine 11, like almost every autocratic leader has used that word to further their own agenda or to make an excuse for something that's happened within their own borders or something that they

• 9:01Speaker 05

  have done, oh, we're, you know, we, we attacked Ukraine because we're fighting terrorism or some shit like that. So, um, yeah, it's all about optics, you know? They don't, they're never gonna admit that they just got caught with their pants down.

• 9:14Speaker 04

  It's true.

• 9:16Speaker 04

  So this is a long way from over. The other part I go in is it looks like the Russians are

• 9:23Speaker 04

  potentially preparing for a major attack on Kharkiv and Sumy. Some analysts that I talked to think it's more of a feint. They're gonna focus, actually gonna focus more on Donbass. But I guess for people's general idea is they realize that they're not making the gains that they want. They're gonna throw upwards around 125,000 more troops at this, which I'm sure will include North Koreans and potentially even Chinese at Ukraine. So we're gonna see this intensify. We're gonna see more civilians get killed and potentially see some more territory get

• 10:01Speaker 04

  taken. So we need to be prepared, I think, not only to maintain our logistical supply line, but increase it. Because that is one of the biggest challenges right now. The modern battlefield, especially modern battlefield of Ukraine is keeping up with the logistics supply, you know, 155 artillery rounds. For example, we've proven that we in the West just don't have the manufacturing capacity to keep up with the munition requirements in a, you know, a peer-on-peer type conflict, a modern conventional conflict. It's something that we have to address. You know, we keep going down the same roads, buying these really, really expensive

• 10:45Speaker 04

  weapon systems. And I, you know, I mean, we talk about aircraft carriers, but there's more than just aircraft carrier to talk about. Where we really start, need to start looking at how this war is playing out. And it is, it is like modernity to the max, you know, these crazy inexpensive drones, but it's also a version of old school World War One tactics and trench warfare, trying to keep up with artillery rounds. It's both. It's both. And we should be studying, I'm sure we are, but we should be studying this left, right and center and all the special operations forces and tell special operations, military special operations, I hope we're sucking in all this information in updating our.

• 11:31Speaker 04

  Tactics, techniques, and procedures and our, and our ability to fight the next war.

• 11:35Speaker 03

  Yeah, well said. Hopefully they are doing it and they can implement it fast. You know what I mean? Like not just take it from like a white paper to, to like actual practical functional shit, functional stuff.

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• 15:25Speaker 03

  Moving on, um, it's interesting, is like, do we call it like, I guess the Middle East and Israel and what's going on there with in Gaza, Lebanon, like, there's so much happening. I don't know where we want to start. I guess we could start with like, there's like humanitarian aid, like flotilla heading towards Gaza. I think they've arrived at Egypt, near the Gaza, Egypt border.

• 15:48Speaker 03

  Hopefully, I don't know what's gonna happen. Are they gonna be allowed in? Like, Mike, I'm sure you have more of a handle on what goes on there and how, you know, the Israelis take IDF takes their security. Like, I don't know if they could just allow like a big ass boat to come in with like, Twinkies and, and, and whatever, and food and supplies and stuff to just roll in.

• 16:06Speaker 04

  Probably not. So this is not the first. Uh, I was reading somewhere, it's like thirty, going back to two thousand eight. They're calling a flotilla, although I think this is only one vessel. But, um, have tried to get in there, only five were successful. And I think in two thousand ten, there was a confrontation with the Israeli Navy and, and that resulted in the death of nine activists. So hopefully that doesn't happen. You know, the, the criticism is it's a publicity stunt.

• 16:42Speaker 04

  You know, you could say that, and you could also say that a lot of protests against, uh, what they believe to be, uh, uh, human rights violations could be viewed as protest, right? Or, or publicity stunts, right? The, the civil rights marches, the, the sit-ins and, and, I mean, we'd never call them that. So I, I'm trying to be fair. I don't really have a position on it, but I'm just saying that some people's propaganda stunts is other person's, um, genuine activism. Uh, so those people, uh, believe that humanitarian aid should be getting into Gaza. Uh, that I certainly can agree with.

• 17:20Speaker 03

  Yeah, I don't think, right.

• 17:22Speaker 04

  Yeah, I, I, thi- this is more symbolic. I mean,

• 17:26Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 17:26Speaker 04

  It's one ship. It's not gonna include that much food, but I think the point is to get attention. You know, speak for those folks, obviously. But it's not just food. It's clean water. It's medicine. It's, you know, hygiene stuff. It's, it's all sorts of stuff that needs to be going in. It's not. Uh, this could be an ugly confrontation. I think I saw that they were arrive on Monday. Uh, we'll see. Hopefully doesn't end up with any violence. And I doubt they're gonna let him. It's his naval blockade, uh, for all of Israel. So they'll probably intercept it and they might detain the people and, uh, impound the ship. But, uh, I think from their perspective, they're trying to get the attention.

• 18:07Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 18:07Speaker 04

  On the, on the issue.

• 18:09Speaker 03

  Let's just say it rightfully deserves, yeah. I, in my opinion, I, you know what I mean? Like, uh, feeding people and giving them medicine. I'm game. I'm, I'm in. Like, sign me up.

• 18:22Speaker 05

  And was it like a month, two months ago, maybe more than that, that a, uh, another ship that tried to get through was hit by a drone, allegedly an Israeli drone?

• 18:32Speaker 04

  Yeah, I think you're right, Jason. And I think they have drones flying over them right now. I saw a report, um, that Greta Thun, Thun, Thunberg?

• 18:42Speaker 03

  Thunberg, yeah.

• 18:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 18:44Speaker 04

  Yeah. She was doing an interview and they could hear the drones. I don't know if they were Israeli or other countries, but yeah, this, this has ended up violent in the past. Let's hope it doesn't again. And I think we should all take stock on, on the issues that are going on in Gaza, which is, we've got, uh, almost the entire population in phase four, IPC phase four, which is acute hunger. And then, uh, close to 500,000, including over 70,000 children are in phase five, which is a catastrophic hunger. And the only way that's going to be resolved is major humanitarian aid delivery,

• 19:27Speaker 04

  which is, I mean, I think they're actually, the humanitarian sites are closed right now, if I read that correctly, and even when they're open, there was only one or two. There needs to be like 300. If you talk to the people, and you know, we've worked there before, back in the maritime quarter days. The World Food Programme will tell you, they need to have like 200 to 300, and spread out around Gaza, because some people can't move, some people are disabled, they're injured, they can't get to, you know, the one place in southern Gaza, you know, below Rafah. This, this needs to hopefully change. I have

• 20:07Speaker 04

  a lot of empathy and sympathy for the Israeli people, and I hope Hamas all burns and hell, to be frank, but you could do, I think you should be able to do both. You should be able to take the fight to the enemy, and you should be able to feed hungry, innocent civilians at the same time, and make sure that they get the food and medicine they deserve.

• 20:29Speaker 03

  I was gonna, fuck, I lost my train of thought, which is per normal. I'm gonna cut this out, make me look as smart as possible.

• 20:36Speaker 04

  The other part, the other part that's, was in the news this week is Netanyahu arming random gangs in Gaza.

• 20:43Speaker 03

  Oh, I saw that. Me and you are mind melds, that's what I wanted to talk about.

• 20:48Speaker 04

  Yeah, there's, do you want to ask a question, so you can start there?

• 20:52Speaker 03

  No, I'm not, I'm not gonna actually cut it out. No, it was like a joke, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm not gonna ask.

• 20:58Speaker 04

  Just say, yeah, that's the way to do it, man, just roll it.

• 21:01Speaker 03

  Yeah, just rock and roll, bro.

• 21:02Speaker 04

  All right, so there's a group, I think they're called...

• 21:06Speaker 03

  Al-Shabaab, or that's the name, the guy's...

• 21:09Speaker 04

  No, his last name, Abu Shabaab is his name.

• 21:11Speaker 03

  Abu Shabaab.

• 21:12Speaker 04

  I'll, I'll remember, it's like Freedom Group or something like that, it's, it's a gang. It's caused a lot of consternation in Israel, as it should, on the left and right, you know, they're trying to arm this group. They're well-known for, popular, popular group? They've also looted the hell out of aid convoys consistently and they turn around selling, selling the food at really high prices to, you know, the same civilians they're supposed to care for. So they're not good folks. They're really not good folks. They're opposed to Hamas, but you know Hamas, at the end of the day, is a terrorist organization for sure, but it's a gang and this is just another gang.

• 21:51Speaker 04

  So, I mean, I think we can all get the concept, but the problem is it's gonna further destabilize Gaza, it's gonna cause more death and destruction and who the hell knows if they don't turn on you, right?

• 22:03Speaker 05

  I was just gonna say, now you're creating your next operation.

• 22:06Speaker 03

  Yeah, well, I mean, that's what Israel did before, right? When they armed this armed group that ended up being Hamas against Fatah, right? Like, isn't that what they did in like the eighties? So it's called Freedom Group Gaza, Al Shabab. It's nice how he gets his name in there, too. It's smart. You got a brand, right?

• 22:25Speaker 04

  Yeah, Shabab means student, I think, in their, yeah, or boys. You know, like Al Shabab, if you think of Al Shabab, the Al Qaeda affiliate in Somalia, it's like, they say it's like a cross between the young men and students. So his name is Abu Shabab.

• 22:42Speaker 03

  It's interesting, too, like Netanyahu came out like defending that they're doing that. You know what I mean? Like, I guess it got out and he just went out and started like spinning for, you know, arming these guys. I guess anything is better than Hamas. I'm sure they're not like fucking, you know, peace-loving, amazing people.

• 23:04Speaker 04

  No, they're taking advantage of their own people right now. I'd say the alternative would be, and this is something the international community could do, other than just send out tweets, is to actually build an internal Palestinian security force, a police force, not a military, a police force. They can vet, remember, there's two, just in Gaza alone, there's 2.2 million people, only 30,000 people were Hamas, and now I'm guessing it's around 10,000. So there's a big pool to go from, that you could train, you could vet first, you have to do a lot in selection, vetting, make sure they're not attached to a terrorist organization, train them as police officers, so they can both secure the population and prevent gangs

• 23:49Speaker 04

  from taking hold or taking back hold. That's something the international community could be doing right now. You could be, you know, ferreting people out, training them in another country, maybe Egypt, for example, and then getting them back in there so that the IDF can eventually withdraw. Because if I was, you know, in the Israeli security cabinet, I'm not withdrawing if there's nobody that's gonna take my place other than Hamas. So I think the international community would say would be well, uh, served by becoming involved in that. Apparently Secretary Blinken tried to get people to donate to a multinational force. They said not only no, but hell no. So that the only thing I see left is, other than private security, which is not, I think,

• 24:33Speaker 04

  a long-term, uh, answer. I think Palestinians wanna be, uh, basically run by Palestinians and they wanna be, see, look up and see a police force of Palestinians. So in order to do that, we have to vet them and train them and get them back in there and get ready to replace Hamas, which hopefully gets squashed entirely.

• 24:53Speaker 03

  Man, that's a tall order.

• 24:55Speaker 04

  It is.

• 24:56Speaker 03

  Man, for god's sakes.

• 24:58Speaker 04

  Ways you set them down. I mean, you could train them in Gaza, or you could train them in the West Bank, I guess, uh, and send them in, uh, to start like a rotation.

• 25:08Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:08Speaker 04

  Um, so it's, yeah, uh, taking them out of the country, that is problematic. I get that as a guy who trained a lot of, uh, partner forces. But you could also train them there, train them in the West Bank. It'd be hard to train them there, it's the middle of the war zone, right?

• 25:23Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 25:23Speaker 04

  But you're get, there has to be a solution that leads away from a permanent occupation of Gaza by Israel, which is where it is going right now, for sure. And I think we can all agree, even if you don't agree with them, Israel doesn't care what the rest of the world says. If that problem isn't fixed, they're gonna stay, it's gonna be a permanent occupation, no matter how many flotillas you send in. Freedom flotillas.

• 25:46Speaker 03

  Yeah. Um, so what's the aim of arming this militia group or this criminal gang group? Is it just to like fight Hamas?

• 25:56Speaker 04

  That's the concept.

• 25:57Speaker 03

  That's it.

• 25:58Speaker 04

  Yeah, they they they take and they be and they're permanent. But then you could end up with a group that's completely undisciplined, criminal, prove that they didn't care, you know, at all about the civilian population. They were stealing food from them, right? So that that can't be the new police force. Or if it is, you could be in trouble or they're in trouble. So I think I think, yeah, again, it's easier said than done. But if we don't actually start focusing on that, I don't see an end in this. Even if we get the humanitarian aid turned back on, what should happen?

• 26:33Speaker 04

  There is no place to live in Gaza. There is almost no functioning infrastructure. The water is completely contaminated and it doesn't come out of the taps. There's no power. There's no place, there's no way to grow your own food or raise your own livestock. It's just completely decimated. So there has to be security. They have to quash the mosque, security. And then there's going to be a 50, 60 billion dollar international effort to reconstruct Gaza. And that's that's at a time when, you know, humanitarian aid, developmental aid has been cut around the world. So it's a it's a it's challenging.

• 27:12Speaker 03

  Right.

• 27:15Speaker 03

  Another bit that happened this week. UN Security Council vote to call for a ceasefire in Gaza. Everyone voted for it, except the United States, who vetoed it.

• 27:28Speaker 03

  That we all know the fucking UN is basically symbolic at this point, right? Like, even if they did pass a count of resolution, who's going to enforce it? They're not gonna. They need the United States or they need a European, you know, union to get involved and like build a coalition. So the fact that they're just, it's a symbolic thing. Like, I don't understand why we need to act like Israel's proxy in the Security Council, man. Like, I'm gonna be honest. I know people might say it sets a precedent.

• 27:59Speaker 03

  It could open up, you know, other avenues in terms of being able to sanction Israel and stuff like that, but like if we're not going with it, like going to go along with any kind of sanction, what's the harm in not vetoing a Security Council vote?

• 28:13Speaker 04

  So I think from the US perspective, they don't want to put pressure on Israel to end the war before Hamas is destroyed, right? So that's what you're, that's what you're calling for. You're not, it's not a resolution to increase humanitarian assistance, which I mean, as you can tell, I would support, not that it matters to me to support. But it's to stop the war, right? So to stop fighting completely, entirely, Hamas is still in existence, right? So that's, I think, what the perspective is in the United States right now, is that we, we don't want to put Israel in a position where they have to stop fighting before they believe they've successfully degraded Hamas to a point where they're not a threat.

• 28:56Speaker 04

  Perhaps they will come back and say, we need to have a resolution to allow adequate amounts of humanitarian assistance into Gaza, and then I would hope the US would support that.

• 29:10Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 29:11Speaker 04

  But to your point, Dee, I mean, it's, if you, I think we're going to talk a little bit about Lebanon. You know, one of the reasons that Israel wants to go into southern Lebanon and push Hezbollah to the Lutani River, one is because they keep attacking northern Israel, but two, it's a UN resolution that they're not supposed to be south of the Lutani River, right? And that was, I was passing many years ago. So it is symbolic in the sense that, you know, nobody's going to actually go and force it. But it does give clout, I think, to the, I think at least political clout, to their argument, but ultimately, it doesn't make things actually happen if the countries that, that support it aren't willing to militarily back.

• 29:55Speaker 03

  Jay, you got anything?

• 29:56Speaker 05

  No, I mean.

• 29:57Speaker 03

  All right. So I got something. So the whole idea of destroying Hamas or decimating it to a place where it's no longer functional.

• 30:08Speaker 03

  Feels like that's a bit of a pipe dream. Because like even if like they'll just fucking rebrand. Like you're not. I know if I'm, I'll try to see if I was in Gaza right now. I'm a young kid, sixteen seventeen years old. I see my friends dying, people dying. I'm gonna be pretty pissed at Israel, man. Not gonna lie, which is likely gonna make me join. An extremist organization against Israel. Right? You guys been doing it, you've done it, right? You've done coin, you've done buy with and through, try to figure it out, hearts and or. They don't even do coin, but you've been there where it's like.

• 30:46Speaker 03

  The things that we do or the things that Israel is doing in Gaza will not, I think, make them a pacified. Population, I feel like it'll. At least a small subject of subset of the males there at least will be extremists. We're ready to fight forever, generation after generation after generation. So I think like what I I think Israel really needs to ease off the like we have to destroy, you know? Cause if they pulled out right now, right? And let's say Hamas reorganized and they still had fifteen thousand or so people, uh soldiers and infrastructure. Israel won, I mean, the place is fucking destroyed. Like it's destroyed, I don't know what winning looks like, but it's a disaster there.

• 31:30Speaker 03

  What's the difference if it's the name is Hamas or the name is whatever? You know? Al Shabab's Freedom Group, you don't, what's the difference?

• 31:40Speaker 04

  No, good point. Good point, I mean, the one thing about coin and you're right, they don't even have a manual for countering insurgency. Uh, is you gotta be careful that your military actions don't just make a bigger problem. Right, you go heavy handed in. You kill people that shouldn't be killed and you you might have killed. Four militants terrorists, whatever you wanna call them. And you just created forty. Right, because of how you. Uh, how heavy handed you were. That's something we learned for sure, so it's not that we're perfect, it's just lessons we've learned. And it's almost impossible to defeat a philosophy. So I think if if you're talking to military. The weapons, the tunnels, their arsenals of missiles. You can quantify that and you can bring it down to a level that's.

• 32:26Speaker 04

  That would make it very difficult for them to be able to launch attack on. Israel, which is never gonna be, I don't think, unprepared again. But they're gonna regenerate fighters, cuz Right. Everything you just said, so. I think the long-term way to change that is economics. Basically, poverty and a belief that there is nothing for you in life is what drives basically young men to join groups like this. And we all know that's true. They're the most, you know, when I first joined, one of the older paramilitary guys told me, the most dangerous animal in the world is a young man with no job and an AK-47.

• 33:10Speaker 04

  Or, I guess in our case, an M4, right, or M16. But, you get the point, right? So, it's gonna, and again, it's way easier said than done, so I'm not, I'm not, one, I don't think I'm saying anything that's a revelation to anybody. But it has to be a combination of that, it has to be a combination of defeating them militarily to the point where they're not the biggest threat that they were before, and then changing the perspective of the people that live there and give them a future. You know, ultimately, young men all over the world, they wanna get a family, they wanna get married, they wanna have children, they wanna provide for their children, they wanna protect their family, they wanna protect their friends' families. You gotta give them that, I think, and that's gonna be, and we can't look to Israel to do all this stuff. Right.

• 33:54Speaker 04

  It has to be the international community. And it's, it's tough, right? Because we have collectively decided to spend less money on crisis areas like this around the world. And at the same time, we're talking about a $50 billion program to rebuild Gaza, which I think should happen, but this is taxing to the rest of the world. So, it has to be, I think, both. Military effort followed by a substantial aid and developmental effort that changes the perspective of all people in Gaza. But we all know that The terrorists are young men essentially and we gotta, we gotta change their.

• 34:32Speaker 05

  Yeah, I, I agree. I, I think that um, this needs to be a multi-dimensional approach to take the, take Hamas's narrative away from them. Like, why can't we, why can't Israel and the world state, uh, the world powers? Why can't we say yes, or why can't they say yes, we're going after Hamas and we're gonna go after Hamas? But we're also gonna allow aid into the country, not shoot at those aid convoys and not kill first aid, uh, first responders. And at the same time, build that police force that you just talked about, because now you're taking all of the, the words, you're taking everything, the narrative away from Hamas. And if they, instead of focusing on,

• 35:14Speaker 05

  bombs and bullets, and that's all the world sees that Israel is doing, and some of those land, and most of those land on civilians, say, look, we're doing all of these, these pro- multi-pronged approaches, and now uh, Hamas has nothing to, to um, use for their propaganda.

• 35:30Speaker 04

  That's right. That's right. So we solved it all. We just need fifty billion dollars.

• 35:36Speaker 03

  Yeah, that's all. We gotta, we're gonna have a go-fummy in the bottom.

• 35:44Speaker 03

  Alright, um, moving on to, oh, quick question. You guys are the military and strategic experts, right? You've done this for a long time. Wouldn't it make more sense to really degrade Hamas? Is if you were to back out, have them kind of reconstitute, form up, get on com- communications, like, uh, like, map out what they're about, what their structure looks like now, and like systematically take them out that way, which we obviously know Israel's very good at? Rather than, you know, fifty thou- however many troops down in Gaza, bulldozing buildings and like, trying to get into tunnels.

• 36:21Speaker 04

  I think that would be the plan if they pulled out too. But right now, I think they occupy around forty-five percent of Gaza. Their goal is up to seventy-five percent. So there's five divisions right there now. And I think they're moving in tens of thousands more. So this is far from over. And I think there is some truth behind the idea. And I think, more importantly, Israelis believe this. Netanyahu doesn't want the war to be over.

• 36:46Speaker 03

  Right.

• 36:47Speaker 04

  He's concerned that his, you know, the war's over, he's out of power. They're holding him accountable for this whole thing in the first place. And then he'll face all the.

• 36:54Speaker 03

  Corruption stuff.

• 36:55Speaker 04

  Yeah. And that's a pretty crappy way to keep a war, a reason to keep a war going. And, you know, I know a lot of Israelis, got a lot of Israeli friends. And I, and a lot of, I can't, I'm not gonna name them. A lot of them are military people, and they all believe that. It's anecdotal, I didn't do it, I didn't do a survey.

• 37:12Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 37:12Speaker 04

  Uh, but, um, and that, that makes a lot of them mad. And the other part of this, uh, obviously it pales in comparison to the crisis for the Palestinians in Gaza. But Israelis are tired of this. I'm talking, like, reservists have been called up like three or four times. They put their entire life on hold. They can't even get out of college. They're, they should have been out five years ago. I mean, it's like, it's really, not five years ago. But it's, you talk to them and it's like, oh, and then most of the fervent, you know, far-right people, they don't even serve. You know? So, like, you talk to the IDF, they're like, middle-of-the-road people. You know, they're like, what? You know, I'm not making light of it, but it's, it's a big challenge in Israel.

• 37:53Speaker 04

  That's why there's this whole thing of making, um, you know, the ultra-orthodox serve in the military, which they're exempt.

• 37:59Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:00Speaker 04

  You know, a lot of, a lot of the people that actually serve are middle-of-the-road, um, folks that I think would wanna see this war over. Because they're the ones fighting it, and it, and they're taking a toll. It's taking a toll on the next generation of Israelis, for sure. So I think, hopefully, there's enough pressure that brings this to an end. Uh, and, and of course, the hostages need to be, the other part about this is, Hamas could have accepted the damn offer.

• 38:28Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:29Speaker 04

  Right? Sixty days, humanitarian aid, ten hostages released. They want the permanent, um, they wanted Israel to agree to permanently withdraw before they even agreed to turn over all the hostages. Think about that one.

• 38:44Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 38:45Speaker 04

  So they don't get, I mean, they're terrorist organizations, so I guess we can't hold them to too high of a standard, but they should have accepted the, the offer by the United States to have a ceasefire. If they cared at all about, which they don't, I think it's clear, about the people of Palestine, Palestinians in Gaza, they would have accepted that offer, even if it didn't mean that Israel agreed to a full withdrawal of forces.

• 39:07Speaker 03

  Um, all right, sticking in the region, a different country, though, Israel hitting Lebanon in the last few days or so.

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• 40:40Speaker 03

  So, um. Mick, uh, what are you tracking with that? I know they tried to say it was like a Hezbollah, kinda like a drone manufacturing plant or something like that.

• 40:50Speaker 04

  That's right, dude. They said it was an Israeli, uh, Iranian-supported drone manufacturing, uh, facility, uh, that they hit. They also said that the, uh, Lebanese Armed Forces, which we've worked with for a long period of time, and they're a good military for their, you know, in that region, uh, are not moving fast enough to replace Hezbollah positions in southern Lebanon. So that was part of the November twenty-four ceasefire agreement. So, uh, Ayoun, the president, uh, who was former head of the LAF,

• 41:29Speaker 04

  and somebody the US historically has a very good relationship with, particularly the Department of Defense, myself included, um,

• 41:39Speaker 04

  he's, he's in a rock and a hard place. It's very difficult to disarm, uh, a militant group in your country that essentially, you have to look at the numbers, but it's almost on in parity with the LAF, right? It's not just some fringe, you know, militant group. It's a, it's a very heavily armed, uh, even though Israel did a hell of a number against them. Uh, so this could kick back off. It really could. And this would not be good for Lebanon at all. Wouldn't be good for Israel, and they'd be fighting full, full on in another front. And, uh, it would destabilize the region even further and make it less likely you would ever get to a conclusion in Gaza. So it's something to watch.

• 42:21Speaker 04

  I think a lot of people took their eye off it because of the ceasefire, which was good. Uh, and right now, the US, I don't, I think, have stopped all, at least high-level diplomatic visits to Beirut because of it.

• 42:33Speaker 03

  Because of like, security concerns?

• 42:37Speaker 04

  Because they don't believe that, uh, the Lebanese government is moving fast enough to implement the ceasefire agreement. And, and disarm Hezbollah.

• 42:47Speaker 03

  Right, it's wild to me, man. I mean, also what's going on in Syria as well, right? Like, Israel's bombing Syria too. They're itching to bomb Iran too. It's like, how many fronts can you really have?

• 42:59Speaker 04

  And that could be coming. And, you know, you're seeing more and more reports, media reports on the difficulty of actually doing major damage to the Iranian nuclear program. It's important to point out, I mean, I think some people think it's just like, pull the trigger and it's all over.

• 43:17Speaker 03

  And it's gone, poof, yeah.

• 43:19Speaker 04

  Yeah, it's a very difficult military challenge.

• 43:22Speaker 03

  If that was the case, it would have happened already. It would have been done already, right? Like...

• 43:27Speaker 04

  And now you're seeing reports, like, most people are familiar with, like, Istifan and Natanz. I used to know all of these.

• 43:36Speaker 03

  And those are the, for the folks out there, that's the Iranian nuclear facilities.

• 43:40Speaker 04

  That's right, that's right. Fordow, it's another one. You hear these names, and then there's a new list of names that just came out in the media that, you know, that they've been building that we didn't know about, apparently. So, it's not only hitting the right ones, it's hitting all of them. It's being effective. I think some of them are up to 800 meters under the ground. Fordow, I think, is one of the most fortified. But, again, like I said in other episodes, I'm for the military option, if it's the last option, but people just have to realize it, it's not gonna be a one and done. And I don't think, I don't think Israel can really do it effectively without the US.

• 44:23Speaker 04

  It requires those massive ordnance penetrators, the GBU, like 57 Alphas and Bravos. And I think we're the only ones to have them, and I think we're the only ones that have aircraft that can...

• 44:35Speaker 03

  And even those might only set them back three to six months.

• 44:41Speaker 04

  Yeah.

• 44:42Speaker 03

  So it's like.

• 44:43Speaker 04

  I don't think I'm telling any secrets here, but those are giant, huge, slow-moving planes, which means we have to take out a lot of air defense to use those things. So we're talking a lot of death and destruction on the ground just to be able to bomb these facilities. So it's a big decision. It's not an easy, it's not as easy as some even senators seem to think it is like, oh, hell, let's just blow them up and we'll be done with this. Oh, yeah, I mean, you need to go get a brief in the in the Pentagon.

• 45:14Speaker 03

  I think senators just want that, uh, that soundbite, you know what I mean? Like, that's all they give a shit about. God bless them. Uh, you know, they just want that soundbite and like, look how tough I am on Iran and there's really nothing that like, there's nothing behind that. It's a mile wide and an inch deep. There's nothing. And once you get a little bit inside of it, there's nothing there.

• 45:34Speaker 04

  So hopefully they can come up with an agreement. But there's gonna be a lot of pressure because it's starting to look like the 2015 JCPOA. You know, where they're allowed to enrich uranium to a low level. And people are gonna be like, what the hell did you get out of it for then? Like, what was this whole from 2018 to 2025 was the whole thing about? Right? Uh, and so they have to make it.

• 45:59Speaker 03

  It was political.

• 46:00Speaker 04

  Political, yeah.

• 46:01Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 46:01Speaker 04

  And it's politically, they're gonna have to show it's different, or they're just gonna get a lot of criticism.

• 46:06Speaker 03

  I don't think Trump cares.

• 46:09Speaker 04

  He might not.

• 46:09Speaker 03

  And frankly, and frankly, I think Trump's bulletproof enough where he can get a very similar agreement, if not a carbon copy, and will play it off as a win. And his followers will, we did it, you know? So he's got kind of that cover in terms of like, maybe people in Washington will be like chirping and stuff like that. And the Iran hawks will be upset. Like the ultra Iran hawks, not like you, Mick, you're not, I wouldn't, I wouldn't put you right there. Yeah, you're not.

• 46:40Speaker 04

  No, I think you might be right. They're part of it to sales. I mean, I'll do the political salesman stuff, but it exists. And if he can sell it as a better agreement and he got a win. I mean ultimately, I think we should all hope for a diplomatic solution, not a military.

• 46:57Speaker 03

  Sure.

• 46:57Speaker 04

  I wouldn't take it off the table, but it's it could escalate in ways that people don't don't understand, I don't think.

• 47:05Speaker 03

  Right.

• 47:06Speaker 04

  And it's not in our best interest.

• 47:08Speaker 03

  Mick, I got a question for you. What are your thoughts on like us pulling out of Syria, a lot of our bases and stuff like that? Like retracting our force on the ground there?

• 47:16Speaker 04

  So, you know, that's been, this debate has been going on since I was in the

• 47:23Speaker 04

  you know, when Secretary Mattis left. I don't know if I guys ever told you that, but I was undergoing one of those treatments for men when they hit 50, you know what I'm talking about? You know, they check your under regions. And I came out, I came out of that, because back then they used to put you under. And the, and then Doc was like, I've got bad news for you. I'm like, oh, oh. You find something? He goes, no, no, no, you're fine. Your boss quit. I'm like, what?

• 47:50Speaker 03

  That's the Doc that tells you that?

• 47:52Speaker 04

  Yeah. Secretary Mattis, Secretary Mattis resigned. So we've been going, I bring that up, yeah, kind of funny story, but we've been talking about the full withdrawal of US military forces from Syria all the way back then. It's like 2017 or 18, 18 maybe? I think we're still to a point where cooler heads prevail. And the politicians understand that it's one of the most effective partner forces we ever had. The SDF. And I've been involved a lot. I wasn't really involved in them, so I don't feel bad saying it. I was not tooting, you know, my own horn here. God bless all the folks in the military and the agency that put that

• 48:36Speaker 04

  force together and supported them. And then of course, especially the SDF themselves, which did 90% of the fighting and dying out there to defeat ISIS and ensure it didn't come back. So I think what happens is ultimately people go, you know, we have very few people on the ground. We're providing key intelligence support, operational planning support, and some maneuver support. And we are able to do all these things that we would normally have to send in multiple divisions of Marines and Rangers. Right? And JSOC and such.

• 49:12Speaker 04

  Soldiers, I should say.

• 49:14Speaker 03

  Yeah.

• 49:14Speaker 04

  And I think people understand that eventually, and that's why we never leave. We haven't left. Even now, they're talking about it, and then they said, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Uh, let's, let's pare down a little bit, not a lot. And now there's actually, uh, some discussion with the new Syrian government for them to agree to keep US forces in Syria. So that's a switch. So there'll be like a status of forces agreement or some version of it, where US forces can stay there. And in, from my perspective, it's important that we do for to defeat ISIS. It also counters Iran, which is on its back foot in Syria right now. Way back foot. It counters Russia, uh, which is also on its way back foot.

• 49:58Speaker 04

  Um, it's good for the United States. We don't have people directly involved in the fight. Uh, it's of course still a war zone, but it, it, uh, we're not the primary, um, fighters and we support them. And I think, I think we should continue that. So that, that is the current status. Last thing I, I saw or spoke to somebody about is we're actually working with the, the government in Syria to, um, formalize our presence on the ground. And I think that's in our interest.

• 50:28Speaker 03

  Yeah. Interesting. Uh, it'd be interesting to see. I mean, it's wild how like enemies become like partners and stuff like that. Uh, it's very interesting. I mean, I get it like HTS is a offshoot of Al Qaeda. They hate ISIS, so I guess let's work with them. Uh, it's obviously more complicated than that. This guy wants to be a statesman and stuff like that, but, uh,

• 50:49Speaker 04

  He's still a trust, I wouldn't even say a trust, but verify, he's a verify and verify. My book, right? He was, uh, he started Al Qaeda in Syria and he was obviously, uh, our enemy. But he's saying the right things and doing the right things. And the last thing Syria needs is a, uh, a renewal of the civil war. So if he proves to be honest on his, um, inclusion of everybody, his adherence to basic human rights or human rights in general, and he has an election, that's going to be the, that's going to be the big, uh, test. You know, have an election, have the Syrian people, well.

• 51:29Speaker 03

  Can we make a bet?

• 51:32Speaker 03

  Let's take futures.

• 51:32Speaker 04

  Better Tusker?

• 51:34Speaker 03

  Yeah, I'm in. I'm gonna say it's a negative on that. And if it is an election, it's gonna be like a bullshit one. What are we talking about? He wants to be the boss. I get it. Who doesn't?

• 51:46Speaker 04

  We need more presidents in the world that are actually presidents, that are actually elected by the people, not just a self-declared title of president.

• 51:55Speaker 03

  Yeah. Anything else? Tickling your fancies?

• 52:00Speaker 04

  I think we covered a lot, man. I think we're good.

• 52:04Speaker 03

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  So join us and hear their stories and more, because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

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  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

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  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic, in a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

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  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

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  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

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  So join us and hear their stories and more, because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

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  Hi, I'm Jenna Oshkowitz. You might know me from Glee. This is At the Table, the food allergy podcast, a show about food, connection, and what it really looks like to live with food allergies. Each episode, we hear stories from real people like Daniel.

• 59:23Speaker 08

  People would always think I was lactose intolerant, so I just kind of shortened my explanation to I'm deathly allergic. In a big way that defined a lot of my childhood.

• 59:34Speaker 07

  And while there are challenges, there are moments that remind you you're not alone.

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  One of the best guys that I dated, he made a point to memorize all my food allergies.

• 59:45Speaker 07

  So join us and hear their stories and more. Because living with food allergies isn't just about what you can't eat. It's about still having your seat at the table. Brought to you by Genentech and Novartis. Listen to At the Table, the food allergy podcast, on America's number one podcast network, iHeart. Follow At the Table and start listening on the free iHeart Radio app today.

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  She's been thinking about this sleepover all week, but I think about her food allergies all the time. Fortunately, her doctor prescribed Zolair, omalizumab. It's proven to significantly reduce allergic reactions if a food allergy accident happens.

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