277. Let's talk about birthday anxiety

I'm turning 25! Here are all my thoughts and feelings about ageing, dealing with expectations around birthdays, loneliness, the pressure to have fun and a much needed mindset shift towards growing older. I also discuss my GO TO birthday routine that brings me peace, growth and clarity every year! Listen now and thank you for another wonderful year with the podcast :) PREORDER MY BOOK: https://www.psychologyofyour20s.com/general-clean https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/755841/person-in-progress-by-jemma-sbeg/ Follow Jemma on Instagram: @jemmasbeg https://www.instagram.com/jemmasbeg/?hl=en# Follow the podcast on Instagram: @thatpsychologypodcast https://www.instagram.com/thatpsychologypodcast/?hl=en# For business: [email protected] mailto:[email protected] The Psychology of your 20s is not a substitute for professional mental health help. If you are struggling, distressed or require personalised advice, please reach out to your doctor or a licensed psychologist. See omnystudio.com/listener https://omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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• 3:00Jemma Sbeg?

  Hello, everybody. Welcome back to the show. Welcome back to the podcast. New listeners, old listeners, wherever you are in the world, it is so great to have you here back for another episode as we, of course, talk about the psychology of our twenties. All right, we're gonna talk about birthday anxiety today because it is my birthday. The day that this comes out, I am turning twenty-five, twenty-five years old. We are halfway through the psychology of your twenties. And the biggest question I always get is whether I'm gonna do a psychology of your thirties. I have five more years to think about it, so I will answer that question a little bit closer to the date. But yeah, it's my birthday and it's bringing up a lot of feelings,

• 3:46Jemma Sbeg?

  but it's also probably the most peaceful, serene birthday I have had. I have never felt more comfortable with aging and more comfortable with the age that I'm at, and more comfortable with what I'm choosing to do today than ever before. And it's made me really, really reflective and it's made me wanna talk about this experience of birthday anxiety that I've had for so long and all the stress that usually comes with gaining another year, gaining another year of life, getting another year of experiences. And I want you to note that I did not say getting older. I like to position it as something that we are given, something that we are gifted.

• 4:28Jemma Sbeg?

  So this year I'm in New York City. I've been in the US for like two and a half weeks for work, for work being this podcast and for mantra, of course, doing some like amazing recordings with some incredible guests that are coming out soon. And by being in New York, I know a few people, but honestly, like I don't have a huge, broad, wide group of friends here. My boyfriend's back in Australia, all my close friends, my family are back in Australia. So I couldn't do like a big thing this year. I couldn't do like a big party. I couldn't like celebrate with my closest loved ones. And you know what? I think that's part of why I feel so serene about it. Like my plan

• 5:10Jemma Sbeg?

  is to go to a diner tonight and I'm gonna get breakfast for dinner. And I'm gonna do my little birthday routine, which I'll talk about later in the episode that I do every single year. And I have never felt more excited about it. Like I said before, this experience has not always been the case. And I am sure for many of you who are listening, you don't find that this is the common theme that defines your birthday. It's normally quite an intense experience. Birthdays are really, really reflective by nature. You know, they demand pause, much like a new year. You know, they feel like this very specific point in time where

• 5:55Jemma Sbeg?

  everything, everything from the past feels very present and you're ruminating on who you are, what you've learned. And also who you want to become, like you're very focused on the future. We're getting older. What if things don't work out the way I want? I have less time. I feel like my body is aging, even though if you're in your twenties, like you're still really at the peak of your youth, but all of these feelings and this contemplation is is naturally very paralyzing. And that combined with a very sensitive social element as well, you know? The pressure to be around friends, the pressure to do a big thing, the pressure to have fun. All of that can create a real cocktail of complicated emotions. And surprise, surprise.

• 6:39Jemma Sbeg?

  A lot about this does come down to our psychology as humans, as as very deep thinking creatures. And creatures who nonetheless love celebrations, but also feel overwhelmed by them at times.

• 6:53Jemma Sbeg?

  You know, we're full of oxymorons and contradictions, it seems, but today we are going to hopefully all together feel a little bit better about birthdays. I want to talk about what makes them so difficult at times, specifically the three main reasons that we struggle with gaining another year. And then I also want to talk about why and how to rethink this process of aging and to rethink birthdays in general. So that they are something that you look forward to, that you're excited about, that is not stressful. And that if anything, can actually bring you a lot of knowledge about yourself and a really important space to reflect.

• 7:38Jemma Sbeg?

  And grow into this next year of who you're becoming and who you're going to be. So I know birthdays in our twenties are a big topic and so many of you have asked me for this. So I'm gonna stop rambling and without further ado, let's talk about the psychology of birthday anxiety.

• 7:58Jemma Sbeg?

  So I think the reason that birthdays can be so psychologically, mentally, emotionally, sometimes socially taxing. Comes down to three specific reasons. The first is very existential reasons to do with aging, to do with progress, to do with milestones. The second comes down to expectations and the pressure to seemingly have this perfect event or this perfect experience to mark another year. And the third series of reasons I think are quite social reasons that have to do with loneliness, perhaps a great deal of comparison as well. So I want to talk about each of these individually, starting with very existential reasons.

• 8:41Jemma Sbeg?

  So I think for the longest time, the reason birthdays felt so troublesome to me was that it was a sign that I was getting older. And that is something that was very, very scary. My perspective on aging though has changed and I used to be really scared of it. I used to joke with my friends that I would be forever twenty two. The reason that we are scared of aging, and if you can relate to this, I'm sure you've already come to this conclusion. The reason that we are scared of aging is because we are scared of the unknown. We are naturally, as humans, always going to feel a little bit anxious and a little bit uncomfortable with somewhere and someplace that we have never been before.

• 9:24Jemma Sbeg?

  You have never been in this next year of your life. You have never been twenty seven, you have never been thirty five, you have never been sixty six. And so because of that, it feels very unknown, very uncertain, very unstable. And with that empty space and with that uncertainty, our brain likes to fill that with fear. It likes to fill that with catastrophic ideas and imaginations of what it's gonna be like, and they're not always positive. The other reason that we are scared of aging, other than the fear of the unknown, is a similar fear of the unknown, and it's a fear of death. It feels like each year we are, you know, closer to the end of this journey than the beginning.

• 10:10Jemma Sbeg?

  I used to be very, very scared of this, and I can openly admit that and talk about it now because of how much time I have spent thinking about it and overthinking it and intellectualizing it till the cows came in. Like, it was an obsessive thought of me, for me, for so long of what happens after we die. And aging is just this, is just this terrible thing that's bringing me closer. Then I realized that aging is actually absolutely necessary. Because the alternative to not getting older is that you would always stay the same and that you would always stay in the same place as the same past version of you. You would never be able to grow and you would never be able to experience new chapters.

• 10:56Jemma Sbeg?

  Turning twenty five, twenty seven, twenty eight. Yes, it's a privilege and I know a lot of people talk about how there are so many people who don't make it to that age and you should live. For them and realize that it's an opportunity. Yes, that's one way of seeing it, but I also think that time holds experiences. And so if this world was perfectly designed, or however you want to think about it, aging is an important part of that because aging is what brings you into the future. Aging is what brings you excitement, brings you surprises. If you were to stay seventeen for your whole life, if you were to stay twenty five for your whole life, you would never get to experience what it be, what it's like to be a grandparent, what it's like to be senior in your career.

• 11:41Jemma Sbeg?

  What it's like to, you know, own a home that you love, what it's like to gain maturity and perspective, what it's like to feel your frontal lobe develop. That is really how I started to see it. Another way I started to see it in my brain that felt more comfortable is that age is really just a number and it's so cliche, I know, but it is so true. It is so true. And I see this philosophy reflected in so many people that I love and that I know in my life. So a couple of weeks ago, I celebrated my grandfather's ninetieth birthday. Now, that man turned ninety, he drank more than me. He drank more than any twenty, twenty one year old.

• 12:25Jemma Sbeg?

  He pulled out like this really nice bottle of port. He had this big birthday cake, all of his friends. My sisters, who are literally like eighteen and, I don't know, seventeen at this point, genuinely, like they left before the night was even over. Like my grandparents were the last to go. We walked home with them, all tipsy and drunk and not only was my grandfather still this like, had this youthful exuberance and really wasn't showing his age, but he also had, you know, the blessing of so many stories that we got to hear, um. And it made me realise, like, you can take your age as a sign of who you need to be. And you need to be this person who becomes more grouchy. You need to be this person who,

• 13:10Jemma Sbeg?

  according to society, becomes less happy and exudes less joy and finds less pleasure in things. But you also have the choice to take your age, you know, keep it as something that's just on your birth certificate or just on your driver's licence, and embody the ages that you feel and all the positive parts of that age that you wanna bring forward with you. Another reason that birthdays can bring up some negative feelings and some specifically existential feelings comes down to feeling behind when it comes to your life plans. Feeling like you should be further ahead, feeling like you should be more accomplished.

• 13:50Jemma Sbeg?

  And yet, here you are, and you look around, everyone else seems to be doing these amazing things, and you're lost, and you're behind. And now, as you get older, all it's gonna be is this game of catch up. If you can relate to that, I think what you're experiencing is not so much birthday anxiety, but milestone anxiety. Anxiety to do with feeling like you are not hitting specific socially approved targets when you should be. Now, this is a real conundrum for a lot of us in our twenties. I saw this quote the other day, um, that it feels like between the ages of eighteen and thirty-five,

• 14:32Jemma Sbeg?

  we're all in some imaginary race and we're not sure what the race is, but we know that we're behind. That is really what this period in our life feels like. And a lot of it does come down to comparison against our peers, but also comparison against this weird indoctrinated blueprint that we all seem to understand. We all seem to have this weird sense that by thirty, you know, we probably should have, should be married. By twenty-five, we should be knowing what we wanna do with our career. By twenty-eight, we should have met our best friends. We should have bought a home. All these like seemingly important milestones to hit before you reach your thirties.

• 15:15Jemma Sbeg?

  And the thing is, all of those milestones are external. We do not compare important measures like happiness. We do not compare important things like growth, like self-knowledge, authenticity. We don't think about how far, how far advanced we are in terms of our emotions and how we internally feel. We are really focused on the external, how our life appears to other people. And that is a huge source of disappointment and sadness and frustration. Birthdays, I think, just really naturally bring that out. I will also say, we also are very, very focused to our fault

• 16:01Jemma Sbeg?

  at comparing ourselves to people who are doing better than us. We often engage in what we call upward social comparison, knowing that it's going to make us feel bad, knowing that it's going to hurt our self-concept and our self-esteem, but we just can't help ourselves. It's like, we almost convince ourselves subconsciously, mentally, that if I feel bad enough about where I am, maybe that will force me to work harder. If I look at someone that I'm envious of or that makes me feel less accomplished, maybe that's this weird sense of self-punishment that's going to motivate me. And, and that is absolutely not the case. There is no big finish line that we are all working towards.

• 16:43Jemma Sbeg?

  Like, not one single person on this planet has the exact same goals and the exact same vision of what their life looks like. It's all different. And even people who get to the point, or even people who you admire for getting to the point that you wanna be, they are still looking at their life and feeling some sense of dissatisfaction. I can absolutely tell you that. It may even be the case that they are looking at you and thinking, God, I really wish I had as much peace as this person has. I really wish I had as much, uh, time and space for growth. I really wish that I was still at the beginning so I could make different choices. There is something to be compared against or with for every single person.

• 17:26Jemma Sbeg?

  So as you're comparing yourself to someone else, they're comparing themselves to someone else who's probably comparing themselves to you. So I know that that can be a really, really hard part about birthdays is it's feeling behind and feeling lost in your twenties. I always remind myself when I'm at that point, because I think as humans, we all end up in that comparison spiral. I always remind myself to think about what I've achieved in terms of personal growth and reflection in the last year. So as I'm turning twenty five, I feel like this twenty fourth year of my life, I became so much better at feeling less pressure around social media. I became so much better in managing my overthinking.

• 18:06Jemma Sbeg?

  I became so much better in feeling satisfied with the friends that I have, rather than feeling like I constantly needed more or that I was constantly on the precipice of loneliness. That means more to me and that impacts me positively more on the daily than any kind of achievement that I've had publicly. That sense of inner growth and homeostasis and progress is really, really important. Okay, we are going to take a short break, but when we return, I want to talk about two of the final reasons that we feel a lot of stress, anxiety, maybe sadness around our birthdays and my perfect routine for combating that.

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• 23:20Jemma Sbeg?

  Let's talk about the second reason that birthdays can be so hard, and it's expectations. It's this pressure to have this perfect, perfect day, this perfect party, these perfect friends who are all going to wish us happy birthday. And often, we are let down. I would say 99% of the time, when you have grand aspirations for a big birthday blowout and... You know, how you expect everyone to treat you, you're often disappointed. I think anytime we say that we are supposed to do something, we're supposed to be happy, we're supposed to be loved. We're supposed to have all this fun, we're supposed to, you know, just ease through this.

• 24:04Jemma Sbeg?

  You are setting yourself up for disappointment. You know, when we put should or supposed to before anything, often it's not going to look the way that we have imagined it. Now, I think this also comes down to comparison, right? We see people having these huge birthdays with lots and lots of friends and it looks so fun and they look celebrated and loved. Of course, we want that, that looks amazing. And so we go about trying to make that happen. The thing that we don't see in those photos, in those pictures, is all the stress that usually comes with having those kinds of huge events and huge expectations. Now, if you were someone who specifically struggles with control,

• 24:46Jemma Sbeg?

  the idea of like a big birthday party that might seem really impressive and fun from the outside is probably going to cause you a lot of internal chaos. For the starters, you're gonna want every single thing to go perfectly. You're going to want it to perhaps look exactly as you imagined it. And you are going to feel responsible for other people's fun. Tell me if you relate to this, but I have often found whenever I have thrown big birthday parties, I always spend about fifty percent of the night looking around me and making sure that people are chatting, making sure that people are enjoying themselves. I most certainly spend the first hour wondering if people are going to show up, wondering if people are going to go away and say that was fun or they're going to leave early.

• 25:30Jemma Sbeg?

  Now, for a day that should be focused on you and should be focused on, you know, this incredible achievement of growing up and experiencing more, I find that big events like that take all of the attention you should be showing yourself off of you and on to managing other people's feelings and other people's perceptions. It often creates this experience where you can only feel happy in hindsight. You can only feel happy with rose tinted glasses on, so. Throughout the day, you've probably felt very on edge, very overwhelmed, very rushed. Then during the event, maybe you get like a couple of hours of a bit of bliss, but you're still worried about other people's feelings.

• 26:15Jemma Sbeg?

  And then the next morning, sometimes you even have like a bit of an emotional and social hangover. And then it still may not have met your expectations and you've put money into this party and you've put your hopes and dreams into it. That can lead us to feel very, very let down. You may also have the experience of not telling people what you want, not wanting to be a burden, not wanting to like outwardly say, hey, please make a big deal about me, please make a fuss. And because you haven't communicated it, everyone thinks you want some small thing. You're left disappointed because you wish that someone had read your mind. And the sad thing is that they couldn't. And you know, it's like you can't go out and say like, I want a surprise birthday party because then you're not surprised.

• 27:00Jemma Sbeg?

  But some part of you is like, I just wish these people would be able to see into my brain and and know what I want. Which even for our closest, most nearest and dearest friends is sometimes impossible. On the flip side, I've also spoken to people who have said to me, I have these big expectations. But I also know that I'm going to feel very awkward being the centre of attention. And I know I'm going to feel very strange about it because I have this fear of being perceived. But I can't help that feel like that if I don't do this, I'm also going to be very lonely. And I'm going to feel very socially isolated.

• 27:44Jemma Sbeg?

  So it does become a bit of a catch twenty two. And if, you know, for some reason you don't have friends around you, you're feeling a little bit socially isolated or alienated at the moment. The experience of like having a birthday pop up can really put those deeper emotions into perspective. I feel like a birthday is a great way to put a big shining spotlight on what you're feeling insecure about. Are you feeling insecure about not having enough friends? Are you feeling insecure about not making the most of your twenties? Are you feeling insecure about being behind? Are you feeling insecure about your looks or your age? A birthday is gonna bring all of that to the surface.

• 28:29Jemma Sbeg?

  It's gonna bring your loneliness, your dissatisfaction, your insecurity, straight to the top of your mind. So, I wanna talk about how we can do this better. How can we have better birthdays? Now, as someone, as I said, who used to have these big birthday parties and always end up feeling somewhat disappointed and let down. I have come to realize that I am not someone who wants to have a big all out celebration. Even if that's something that I've really thought that I've wanted for the past, I don't know, fifteen odd years. Like for my twenty first, I remember doing three different kind of events. Like I did a birthday dinner with my family, I went away with some of my friends and I went to the pub for like, uh, for my actual day of my birthday.

• 29:14Jemma Sbeg?

  And yeah, it was fun, but it was more stress than it's worth. So my new thing is to choose some activity that I've really wanted to do and that I've put off for the past year. And to do it, even if it means doing it solo. Now, for this year, it did happen to me that I'm solo traveling and that's something that I really wanted to do. But like just before I recorded this episode, I went to the Tenement Museum in New York City. That is my favorite museum in the world and I booked two back to back tours and I went solo and I felt completely content.

• 29:53Jemma Sbeg?

  Maybe for you, that involves going out and getting your nails done and getting a massage and putting the money you would have spent on a fancy dinner or a party into yourself. What is something that you really wanted to do this year that you haven't had the opportunity to do? Do that on your birthday. Maybe it's the zoo, maybe it's a karaoke night. That is how to make yourself feel less pressure to be happy and to have fun in the presence of others. And to almost like have fun by yourself. I also do this thing every year and regardless of whether I'm doing a big thing or a small thing or a completely solo thing. I make sure that around the time of my birthday, I take myself out on a date.

• 30:38Jemma Sbeg?

  Just me and my notebook and I will go out to a restaurant. Often I will literally not have anywhere in mind. I will take myself for a walk in a part of the city that I know will have places to go. I will find a restaurant, I will get a table by myself, I will bring my journal. And I will ask myself four questions and I've done this every single birthday for the past five years. The questions are, what is the most important thing that I have learnt in the past year? What is the thing that I am most grateful for from the past year? What is the most important thing that I have done in the past year?

• 31:18Jemma Sbeg?

  And what is one thing that I really want to achieve in this next year or that I really want to experience or see? And then I just let myself also do some general journaling. I just let myself spill out onto the page. That's obviously what I'm going to do tonight when I go get my little breakfast for dinner situation. And I use, actually, I should have said this, I have a specific journal that I only use for this, so it's like my birthday journal. And so I'll often read back on all of my other entries. Obviously now I have so many that I kind of, well not that many, but enough that I kind of forget. What I've said and what I've been reflecting on. So it's actually a really beautiful serene experience to.

• 32:01Jemma Sbeg?

  Really sink into the life that I was living when I was twenty three. And the life that I was living when I was twenty two. And the problems I was having when I was eighteen. And I feel like I'm right there with her. And yet I'm also growing and I'm also experiencing a whole different life in some aspects of it. So that routine is really, really important to me. More generally, if you are dealing with birthday anxiety, my tip is just to do less. And to be totally okay with doing some things alone and making it a little bit smaller. That is always going to lead to a more happy experience, in my opinion.

• 32:44Jemma Sbeg?

  I also think that instead of feeling like you need to be silent around your fears of aging. Or your sense of loneliness when it comes to a birthday, whatever it is, please like talk about it with someone. Every single time I have brought up this specific feeling of stress and worry when it comes to my birthday. The person I have spoken to has said, yeah, me too. I completely get where you're coming from. I'm very lucky that my best friend's birthday is three days after mine. So I feel like we always share these parallel experiences. And every year we kind of have the same conversation where we're like, oh, my god, another year older.

• 33:24Jemma Sbeg?

  Ah, like freaking out together, but we also feel this real sense of parallelness and camaraderie. And and we feel like it's quite a unique bond and experience to be going through a lot of these emotions. And this process of aging together. The other thing I really like to reflect on and that I think might be useful. Is I reflect on all the people I know who are five, ten years older than me. I think it's really important to have friends who are at different stages of their life than you. So I have friends who are fifty, I have friends who are thirty five, I have friends who are nineteen. And it's really valuable to kind of get the lived experience and the opinions from them.

• 34:07Jemma Sbeg?

  And around the time of my birthday, I always think about a few of my friends who are exactly a decade older than me. Specifically, my friend Alicia and my friend Lindsay. They at thirty five are the most successful, hottest, poised, richest versions of themselves that I've ever seen, and they are also the happiest. And I remember as they were turning thirty, I did talk to Alicia about this. I was twenty, she was thirty, I think I asked some naive question around like, how do you feel about turning thirty? And she was like, I'm terrified, I'm absolutely terrified. Five years later, she's like, I'm, this is the age I wanna be forever.

• 34:48Jemma Sbeg?

  I thought that twenty five was amazing, I thought that twenty one was amazing, thirty five is the best. Like it's, you feel so confident, you feel so much like yourself. And she also said to me, you know, my birthday is not as important as the experiences that I'm having. Like this is less mentally straining and less mentally exhausting and there's a lot less pressure on it. The older I get and I'm just able to have fun with it, I'm just able to prioritize what I wanna do. And it shows, like she just looks amazing and she has this like shine coming out of her soul that just says, I'm present, I know who I am, and I'm really deeply satisfied and happy.

• 35:31Jemma Sbeg?

  Whenever I feel scared about entering a new chapter and a new phase of my life, I look to people like her and I say, if they've done it, I can do it. And look at how amazing it's turning out for them. And it brings me a great sense of peace. My two final, perhaps a little bit alternative tips for dealing with birthday anxiety is to actually celebrate your birthday a week afterwards. So that you get over the like emotional hangover of your birthday and you feel like there's less expectations. It's just a more general celebration. And I also really hope that you engage in this mindset shift that I've been taking part in the last few, few months, few years,

• 36:14Jemma Sbeg?

  which is to see my life as seasons rather than as just a bunch of years. And I've spoken about this on the podcast before. I found that life felt a lot more stressful when it felt like there was just this huge chunk of years in front of me. With nothing really delineating them, nothing really setting them apart. And I was just gonna speed right through them to the end. Instead, what I now see and I think of my life as is seasons of a TV show. And you know, I'm still in season two. Like if every season lasts ten years, and that's still a huge number of years, I'm still in season two. If every season lasts five years, I'm in season five, but I have perhaps another fifteen seasons to go. And my math might not be right with that, but it probably isn't.

• 36:59Jemma Sbeg?

  Yeah, but maybe if I live to a hundred, like it's better to see yourself as existing in these two, three, four, five year periods. Where you're learning something new and you're experiencing a new part of your life. And every five years. You celebrate that milestone and you push yourself to move or to do something new. Instead of just thinking, okay, a year is gone, a year is gone, a year is gone, really helps me put it into perspective. Don't feel like you're behind, please. I promise you, there is someone looking at your life wishing for it. Know that if you are experiencing a ton of loneliness at this point, you feel like there's no one to celebrate you. That's just this, that's just this moment. There are amazing, great, fabulous relationships.

• 37:42Jemma Sbeg?

  Coming your way and this experience of loneliness is an important one. But it's going to motivate you to reach out, it's going to motivate you to be connected. And I just hope this can be a more positive experience for you. I also wanna thank you deeply, deeply, deeply for being with me. For this past year from twenty four to twenty five. I know I have gained so many new loyal, wonderful listeners. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to talk about my twenties in as much depth as I want. I feel like I gained so much more. From this than you guys can even imagine. This is like a personal diary for me and this episode specifically. You know, of course I have my journal exercise, but I'm thinking about thirty five year old Gemma

• 38:25Jemma Sbeg?

  or forty five year old Gemma or fifty five year old Gemma who's going to listen to this episode and be like, wow, we were recording that in a hotel room in New York City and we felt so much peace and being able to reflect on this moment. So thank you for giving me the opportunity to make that come true and bring the thoughts in my head alive in the form of this podcast. As always, if you have an episode suggestion, if you have further comments, questions, queries, thoughts about this episode and the topic of birthday anxiety in general, feel free to reach out to me at thatpsychologypodcast on Instagram. If you loved this episode, leave a comment, leave a five star review.

• 39:04Jemma Sbeg?

  Make sure you're following along so that you get notified when we have more episodes coming out and coming your way. But until next time, stay safe, be kind, please be gentle to yourself and we will talk very, very soon.

• 39:25Jemma Sbeg?

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