The Garbage Women Canon! Plus: 'Holland' and 'Kinda Pregnant.'

Amanda is joined by Yasi Salek to create a new mini-genre called "Garbage Women," a list of mediocre to bad streaming movies starring the greatest actresses of our generation. Before officially forming the canon, they cover some recent releases that fit into the genre, ‘Holland’ (2:54) and ‘Kinda Pregnant’ (20:44). Then, they get into the list, working through the official criteria, discussing what they love and hate about these types of movies, and sharing their notes for future Garbage Women films (32:04). Host: Amanda Dobbins Guest: Yasi Salek Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Video Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Sean Fennessey?

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• 0:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm Amanda Dobbins, and this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about women having it all. Sean is out today, and so I am taking over in the only way I know how, devoting an entire episode to mediocre to bad streaming movies starring the greatest actresses of our generation. I'm calling it, naturally, Garbage Women. And here to help me create the definitive canon is yet another overqualified ringer woman, Yasi Salek. But first, we're going to talk about two possible entrants in the Garbage Women canon: Holland, starring Nicole Kidman, and Kinda Pregnant, starring Amy Schumer. Yasi, happy Women's History Month.

• 1:18Speaker 02

  Oh, my God. Thank you. It's my favorite celebratory month.

• 1:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you for watching, like, a lot of movies. I felt bad. I gave you a lot of homework.

• 1:27Speaker 02

  I thought, when you asked me this, you were like, do you like this kind of movie? And I was thinking, maybe, not to spoil ahead, but like Irish Wish, Lindsay Lohan vehicle? Which I was like, I love that kind of movie.

• 1:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I did lead with Irish Wish. Like, I think I texted you, do you like films like Irish Wish?

• 1:42Speaker 02

  And I was like, yes. And then you were like, these ones? And I was like, hmm, I'm going to take a look.

• 1:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I kind of, I baited and switched you a little. But that's OK. We're gonna, we're gonna be very specific about the Garbage Women canon.

• 1:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:54Amanda Dobbins?

  We have, like, a whole thing. And we can decide, actually, whether Holland or Kinda Pregnant belong.

• 2:00Speaker 02

  Belong, yeah. Am I a misogynist now? Unclear. Possibly.

• 2:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Did all the people who make these movies?

• 2:05Speaker 02

  Yeah. You know how, like, when men go on YouTube too much and they become incels? Like, I think watching these eight movies is like, maybe skewed me into misogyny.

• 2:13Amanda Dobbins?

  It's my fear for my two sons. Uh, but that's, you know, hopefully 10 years down the road. Okay, before we do Garbage Women, we have to do some news.

• 2:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Just one piece of news, which is that the full trailer for One Battle After Another was released. Do you know what this film is?

• 2:26Speaker 02

  No clue.

• 2:27Amanda Dobbins?

  This is the new, okay, well, this is a new film from Paul Thomas Anderson.

• 2:30Speaker 02

  Oh, sure. Okay, yeah.

• 2:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, starring Leonardo DiCaprio.

• 2:32Speaker 02

  Sorry to disrespect Sean and his great passion in life.

• 2:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, listen, we can talk about this because it does feature women. So it's germane to today's episode. I just kind of wanted to let people at home know, like, we've seen it.

• 2:43Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 2:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Or I have seen it. Yeah, Leonardo DiCaprio.

• 2:46Speaker 02

  I saw it on the X.com.

• 2:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, um, it's good.

• 2:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, we're looking forward to this film.

• 2:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, A+.

• 2:52Speaker 02

  We love PTA.

• 2:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 2:53Speaker 02

  In this household.

• 2:54Amanda Dobbins?

  All right, we're gonna start with Holland. Which, I mean, so Holland is currently streaming on Amazon Prime.

• 3:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:02Amanda Dobbins?

  It debuted this week. Um, and it stars Nicole Kidman, uh, along with Matthew McFadyen, Gail Garcia-Bernal, and Rachel Sennett for like 20 seconds, which we'll come back to. It was directed by Mimi Cave, who directed Fresh, which was a Sebastian Stan, Daisy Edgar Jones, like, online phenomenon a few years ago. And I feel like we had a lot of people like adding us on social media, being like, when are you gonna talk about Fresh? When are you gonna talk about Fresh? And then we never. No, I think I was on leave.

• 3:34Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 3:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, and I mostly became aware of it through like Instagram reels, but, which is like, maybe gives you a sense of the vein of popularity. Anyway. So Holland.

• 3:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:45Amanda Dobbins?

  All right, so the basic premise is that Nicole Kidman is a Midwestern teacher who suspects that her husband, Matthew McFadyen, might be having an affair.

• 3:54Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 3:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Technically, this is Garbage Women because of the rules we're about to enumerate, which is like, number one, first and foremost, it stars Nicole Kidman.

• 4:03Speaker 02

  Kind of, right? That's really crazy. This woman has two Oscars.

• 4:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Does she have two? No, I think it's just the one.

• 4:10Speaker 02

  Okay, one.

• 4:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's just the one. She deserves several more.

• 4:12Speaker 02

  She should have more.

• 4:13Amanda Dobbins?

  She is one of the most celebrated actresses of her generation. She's like, really good. She's in a lot of great stuff. Have you seen Baby Girl?

• 4:21Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 4:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, obviously. I mean, that was fantastic. So, she's good, but she also works a lot. And she has not been snobby about the streaming universe, is I guess one way of saying it. But also, she is just in a lot of, of garbage women stuff. Like, she kind of defines what it is.

• 4:44Speaker 02

  I was texting you about this before, but I was like, I need to understand, like, do you have a gambling problem? Is there a financial situation? Because it makes no sense to do this many projects per year at this clip when you're Nicole Kidman. I don't understand.

• 5:01Amanda Dobbins?

  She does really like to work. The only insights I have into her financial situation are an interview that she gave once about her husband Keith Urban.

• 5:10Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 5:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Buying her-

• 5:11Speaker 02

  Gorgeous man.

• 5:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Buying her a Lamborghini or something.

• 5:14Speaker 02

  Yes, she's a two-income household, first of all.

• 5:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but she didn't want it.

• 5:18Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 5:18Amanda Dobbins?

  So, he drives it and she drives her Subaru. But that did-

• 5:22Speaker 02

  But not driven by money, even.

• 5:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, one half is not driven by money. And the other person is just like, ex buying Lamborghinis all the time.

• 5:30Speaker 02

  So you're saying Keith Urban is Baby Girl?

• 5:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I, we don't know. I just like, but the only insight I have until, into how money is being spent in that household, and they are legally married, so she's responsible for both halves of it, is that he, he is spending a lot.

• 5:46Speaker 02

  They have several children as well, I believe.

• 5:48Amanda Dobbins?

  They have two, I believe, yeah.

• 5:49Speaker 02

  They have two. I know he likes to make his own special coffee on the road. He brings a coffee maker. Oh, no, that's very expensive.

• 5:57Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it's, coffee is, I don't know if you've like, you know, been buying the beans lately. But there's, there's real coffee in it.

• 6:03Speaker 02

  So perhaps that's, that explains the Holland, um, taking the Holland check.

• 6:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, she also obviously is on a lot of like, direct to streaming TV shows. Uh, that I've seen all of. And, and like Big Little Lies is-

• 6:15Speaker 02

  You watched the one with Hugh Grant.

• 6:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah, of course, The Undoing.

• 6:18Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 6:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, no spoilers, but relevant to, to this conversation.

• 6:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, undoing the Nantucket Show, the Ellen Hilderman, A Perfect Couple, I believe, which I really enjoyed despite myself. But so, her willingness to do streaming stuff, her willingness to do TV, Big Little Eyes was HBO, but it's sort of like, yeah, prestige, and it's like, the, it's sort of like the breakthrough of, of big name actresses being like, sure, we'll do TV, sure, like, we'll like, get a little dirty and not just do, you know, our fancy Oscar movies. And she does them so frequently that just because she's in it, I do think it counts as garbage women. It is also sort of about, I mean, it is about a woman in the domestic sphere, right?

• 7:07Speaker 02

  Right.

• 7:07Amanda Dobbins?

  And she's realizing some things about her life, which is another like, key part of garbage women. And there is sort of intentionally humor?

• 7:18Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 7:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, so let's talk about it. Nicole Kidman is like, talking like Marilyn Monroe throughout this movie?

• 7:25Speaker 02

  The way she speaks is so confusing to me. I didn't, do you think that was like, a Midwestern accent gone wrong?

• 7:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I, some of it is I think that she just does so, takes so many roles, that she's like, okay, well, now I gotta throw in some new voice work to like differentiate this?

• 7:43Speaker 02

  Now I'm breathy, yeah.

• 7:46Amanda Dobbins?

  And I guess she was like, trying to communicate something about the character, like, not really being, like, with it?

• 7:56Speaker 02

  Right, yeah, she's, it was giving pills, it was giving Stepford wife energy, yeah.

• 8:03Amanda Dobbins?

  It was giving a little bit of like Truman Show, I thought at some point?

• 8:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, and I think that was probably on purpose.

• 8:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I, yeah, or maybe they like, saw something in the edit, and then were like, let's veer towards like, possible. This, to me, seemed like totally chopped up. Like, as we said, Rachel Sennett is in the first scene, and then like, never shows up again? Like, ever, right?

• 8:24Speaker 02

  What is the point of that character? Just to be like?

• 8:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I have no point.

• 8:27Speaker 02

  Well, she creates the inciting incident, which is, I think someone stole something, I'm looking for it now. And then, doesn't that lead to her stumbling upon?

• 8:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, I guess so, but like-

• 8:39Speaker 02

  Some weird train shit in the... I was like, kind of it. I'll be honest with you, I was on my phone a bit.

• 8:43Amanda Dobbins?

  So was I, of course, yeah.

• 8:45Speaker 02

  I was keeping like, stream of consciousness notes and I kept like, like, writing to you in my notes.

• 8:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 8:50Speaker 02

  Amanda, this is boring. Amanda, I'm bored. I don't understand.

• 8:52Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it was very, I mean, I did as well. And I was certainly like, I had to stop at one point. So like, the last thirty minutes, I watched like separately, late at night, while like, honestly-

• 9:00Speaker 02

  Which was fine, because you could watch it every five minutes separately.

• 9:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, my microcurrent device while doing it, which was fine. It was quiet, so I could multitask. Um, I guess it's nano-current too? I don't know.

• 9:10Speaker 02

  Which one do you have, the Zip?

• 9:10Amanda Dobbins?

  The Zip, yeah.

• 9:11Speaker 02

  Great one, I believe it's the best one.

• 9:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, because apparently it has like, dual waveform technology. That's what they say, while I'm just going like this on my face. Anyway, I did miss all of it, um, some of it. But Rachel Sennett was just there for twenty seconds and anyone could have played that part.

• 9:25Speaker 02

  Yes, correct.

• 9:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, and it did feel like, the whole thing about how she stole bacon and like, food-

• 9:32Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 9:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Was sort of abandoned at some point, in a way that makes me think like, maybe there was like a, some sort of, like-

• 9:39Speaker 02

  Like, that character had more, more-

• 9:41Amanda Dobbins?

  More to do, and, yeah. And like, how much Nicole Kidman is or is not allowed to eat is like, was a part of the plot at some point.

• 9:48Speaker 02

  And the sun, right? They kind of hint at that, like, you took away my candy.

• 9:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. Although her name was Candy, so that was confusing.

• 9:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, that was confusing.

• 9:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so anyway, that was pretty half-baked. Also, Holland is the name of the film because this is set in Holland, Michigan, which is like, a Dutch-inspired town in Michigan. Sort of like, solving in California, if you're familiar with solving.

• 10:12Speaker 02

  My college roommate worked at the Heidelberg Inn in solving California, so I've been there many times.

• 10:16Amanda Dobbins?

  It's a beautiful part of the world. Yeah. Uh, I don't like pancakes as much as everyone there seems to, but like-

• 10:22Speaker 02

  They have a great mustard selection.

• 10:24Amanda Dobbins?

  That's true, yay, no, no, no, it's, it's very charming. But, so, there's like, all this, like, weird Dutch stuff?

• 10:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 10:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Which I, it-

• 10:32Speaker 02

  Respectfully.

• 10:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 10:33Speaker 02

  It felt like that was like what made them make the movie. They're like, what if this like, the pitch was, what if there's a movie set in a town? That is obsessed with Holland? And then the plot was kind of secondary to like, bringing images of that town to life. Cause there was a lot of weird imagery of that town.

• 10:50Amanda Dobbins?

  But like, what, what does setting a movie in Holland? Mean like, what was up with the Dutch stuff? Like they just, she wears like weird tulip, you know?

• 11:01Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 11:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Weird hats?

• 11:02Speaker 02

  Matthew McFadden does like a little prayer that didn't seem to be fully in English. But they never explain what that was. And I was like, is it there's a cult situation?

• 11:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I think it was Dutch. I like, I don't want to assume, you know, like, I like.

• 11:16Speaker 02

  Not me being like, hmm, not English, but some other thing.

• 11:19Amanda Dobbins?

  It would be very confusing if it were a different language than Dutch. It definitely seemed in like the Germanic tradition. I'm already like on really thin ice here because if Dutch is not of the Germanic languages, like, I'm sorry.

• 11:29Speaker 02

  Who's gonna get mad?

• 11:30Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm sorry, but the Dutch people?

• 11:31Speaker 02

  No, it's fine.

• 11:32Amanda Dobbins?

  They, they have been the butt of some horror jokes recently, so.

• 11:35Speaker 02

  They can, they can handle it.

• 11:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. So, and there's like a tulip festival that is like central.

• 11:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 11:42Amanda Dobbins?

  But again, that felt like something that was maybe in an earlier draft of the movie. And then they didn't explore it all. There's also like a church element. This is all by way of saying this movie's not very good. It doesn't make a lot of sense.

• 11:53Speaker 02

  It doesn't make sense. It's really hard to follow. I watched it with my parents.

• 11:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 11:58Speaker 02

  Which is actually gave me a lot of insight because I'll tell you what, my parents love bad movies.

• 12:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 12:04Speaker 02

  They are fine. Even at the end of this, they're like, no, that was fine. And I'm like, you were playing Solitaire the whole time, dad. My mom was playing some other game on her, that's how they watch movies.

• 12:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, let me ask, Solitaire on the phone, desktop?

• 12:15Speaker 02

  My dad on the laptop, PC laptop. My mom on the phone, some game that I don't recognize, but it was some Jewel Candy Crush adjacent. And they were like, no, it was, yeah, there was suspense. And I was like, yeah, the suspense was what the fuck is going on at any given moment? It was an hour and a half too long.

• 12:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 12:33Speaker 02

  Like, I was like, what are we? And then they never answer, they, they bring in these like, big questions like, okay, Gail Garcia Bernal's character? His name I don't remember.

• 12:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Dave.

• 12:44Speaker 02

  Dave.

• 12:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 12:45Speaker 02

  Sure. Dave is always a loo-, he's scared of the police. He has some like past, that's why he's scared of the police. Never revealed what he did. What did he do?

• 12:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Don't know.

• 12:56Speaker 02

  We, I would have liked to know that.

• 12:58Amanda Dobbins?

  I.

• 12:59Speaker 02

  Is he on the run?

• 13:00Amanda Dobbins?

  There is also, like, the movie starts with voiceover and ends with voiceover from Nicole Kidman being like, "I feel safe here," like, as if she is also on the run from something.

• 13:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 13:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Or.

• 13:11Speaker 02

  Like, he saved her. What was, she was way worse. None of these questions are answered.

• 13:15Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, no, no, no. And I don't want to like, fully spoil the movie because it's available on streaming. Most people probably haven't seen it at this point. I don't know. I guess you can, you want to have a weird time? Go for it. But like, there are a lot of feints. There were a lot of different things that could have happened. And I kept trying to guess what the twist would be. And like, all of my twists are way more interesting than what the movie is. Like, way more interesting.

• 13:41Speaker 02

  Matthew McVeyden was great. I thought he was, he's such a good actor.

• 13:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, he's wonderful.

• 13:44Speaker 02

  I, I enjoyed him because he's just phenomenal. Nicole Kidman's wig needs to be tried at The Hague. Like, I need to, I need, yeah, go ahead. Why?

• 13:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Why don't you describe it?

• 13:59Speaker 02

  I don't even know how to descri-, it's always, I don't even think that's human hair.

• 14:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 14:04Speaker 02

  Do you know what I mean?

• 14:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 14:05Speaker 02

  The, it's.

• 14:06Amanda Dobbins?

  You think they didn't have that kind of budget?

• 14:08Speaker 02

  It's, they must have, like.

• 14:12Amanda Dobbins?

  In general?

• 14:13Speaker 02

  It's not laid properly.

• 14:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I know.

• 14:14Speaker 02

  It always looks like it's about to fall off. You can't see any scalp. It's not a lace front, I don't think.

• 14:19Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 14:20Speaker 02

  It's all, there's always like a, a barrette somewhere. And it's askew. It's, it's so distracting.

• 14:26Amanda Dobbins?

  So I feel like the askewness was intentional.

• 14:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Because she's flustered. Yeah, she's like, you know, not quite, she's like, off her square.

• 14:36Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 14:36Amanda Dobbins?

  And, you know, like a little daffy. And so, the bobby pen.

• 14:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 14:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Like shoved a certain way.

• 14:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Is intentional. I agree with everything else that you're saying. And I, I guess they don't have the budget. This is, I mean, this is a problem that we're going to come back to in this podcast, specifically, like, the wig and hair budgets.

• 14:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 14:59Amanda Dobbins?

  And I think there's a lack of knowledge of.

• 15:02Speaker 02

  But if you're Nicole Kidman, and you're, you wear a wig in every production at this point. Why don't, you would want a good wig, no? Would you, you would write it into your contract. Your agent would write it into the contract. I want that Kardashian level.

• 15:18Amanda Dobbins?

  And I want some, like, I want my hair and makeup person coming with me. And to like, make sure that everything is according to my standards.

• 15:27Speaker 02

  I want the person that does Beyonce's wigs on set.

• 15:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, first of all, that person is probably with Beyonce all of the time. I would hope that Beyonce has that, like, an exclusive.

• 15:37Speaker 02

  Well, the understudy then.

• 15:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, okay. And then, but like, I agree with you. So I think that there's just like, a lack of, of technology knowledge. You know, which is like pervasive, right? That's the same thing with like, fillers, botox, like, some people, you know, they're the experts. And then there's just like, everybody else.

• 15:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, we'll get into that with Family Affair as well.

• 15:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I do wonder if like, Nicole Kidman is not really making those aesthetic distinctions.

• 16:03Speaker 02

  Sometimes I get into galaxy brain and I'm like, what if she's like, an incredible performance artist? And she's like, super aware, and this is just her thing now? And she's like, how far can I push it with the horrific wigs? Because it is a talk, there's, I went down Reddit threads, multiple Reddit threads. This is a, a known thing, and maybe she's just having a bit of a laugh.

• 16:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I definitely think that they're all wigs, but part of my galaxy brain wants to be like, what if they're not wigs?

• 16:30Speaker 02

  Then that's, that's even more, that's even more insane.

• 16:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 16:34Speaker 02

  No human being's hair looks like that.

• 16:36Amanda Dobbins?

  There is a commitment to like, a consistency of the type of hair, you know? I, I agree that they're just not sitting properly in a way that looks very confusing. And I do also think that she's not trying to spend that much time in hair and makeup. This is actually my theory, is that at some point, like, you just show up and it's like, well, we gotta fill now, and this is what we have, you know?

• 16:58Speaker 02

  This dovetails nicely into Family Affair, because things that she doesn't have time or care about.

• 17:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 17:03Speaker 02

  Um, which I don't, how did they pick? We need to set up a Family Affair. A Family Affair is starring Nicole Kidman, garbage movie canon for sure.

• 17:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 17:12Speaker 02

  Um, streaming on Netflix. Streaming on Netflix, starring also Zac Efron.

• 17:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 17:16Speaker 02

  As her love int, much younger love interest. Another hallmark of the garbage movie canon, which I do want, as the feminism has left my body, I'd like to talk about that.

• 17:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 17:25Speaker 02

  And then, um, the daughter is played by King, Joey King, Joey King, who's lovely. And she works for Zac Efron, who's a big actor.

• 17:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 17:37Speaker 02

  And then him and Nicole Kidman, her mother, develop a relationship. This one, I was like, oh, Nicole Kidman came and they were, she was like, what are you paying? And they were like, blah, blah, blah. And she was like, no American accent for you then.

• 17:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 17:51Speaker 02

  You cannot afford the American accent, I'm bringing in the Australian accent.

• 17:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Do you think that it just kind of eludes her as time goes on in the shoot? And you can actually?

• 18:01Speaker 02

  No, she's actually one of the best. It's one of my pet peeves in films, and this is with all love and respect to the Australian subcontinent. But Australian actors are the most egregious abusers of slipping back into Australian accent when they're doing American accent. I don't know why.

• 18:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Some of the battles.

• 18:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm sure it's very hard, but she never usually does. She's Australian. She, they say it in the film. So she must have literally been like, you can't afford the American Nicole Kidman you're having. Cause there's no reason for her to be Australian. It's never, it's not a plot point. It has nothing to do with the character. She's just Australian.

• 18:32Amanda Dobbins?

  There was a thing that happened in a perfect, in the perfect couple, ah, perfect couple, sorry, the, the, the series.

• 18:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 18:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Where like halfway through, she just becomes British. And it was never, I did finish that, I did finish that series, but it was never clear to me whether that was like a part of the character or whether she was just kind of slipping. And it was like, well.

• 18:54Speaker 02

  She was probably doing three projects at the same time.

• 18:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, she was like trying to do like transatlantic, you know, like, cause it's supposed to be like old money or at least fake old money. And so, but like the vowels just kind of like were turned this way and then they like just kept turning a little.

• 19:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 19:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess.

• 19:10Speaker 02

  Even her Australian accent is not strong because she's obviously been in America for so long.

• 19:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 19:15Speaker 02

  That it's kind of a watered down version, but I just, that amused me. I was like, oh.

• 19:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess that explains the voice a little bit, which was like, this is how I'm gonna be Midwestern American, is in this weird voice.

• 19:28Speaker 02

  You know, at a certain point, how many accents can one person do, you know?

• 19:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 19:32Speaker 02

  She's only human.

• 19:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't understand why she chose to do this movie or why this movie was made. No, no, no, no, no.

• 19:38Speaker 02

  Oh, Holland.

• 19:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Holland. I'm excited about.

• 19:40Speaker 02

  Holland, I kind of get, Holland is one of those movies where like.

• 19:45Speaker 02

  It tricked, like, it, on the surface, seems like it's gonna be a good movie.

• 19:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, sure.

• 19:50Speaker 02

  You know, and I think it's possible she was bamboozled.

• 19:54Amanda Dobbins?

  A few fancy camera angles and...

• 19:57Speaker 02

  There's, there's cool imagery, amazing cast. I mean, you have three incredible actors in it. I think that, I think she was tricked.

• 20:06Amanda Dobbins?

  And also, she does seem to like to work.

• 20:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, and that one, that's just like a bait and switch one, where they were like, this is gonna be a good movie, and then it's really not gonna be. Not like a family affair, which is just off top. No one could read that script and be like, this is gonna be a good movie.

• 20:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I kind of disagree.

• 20:19Speaker 02

  Who loves it?

• 20:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, except for me. Holland, it just seems like germane to note that Jen Salkey, the head of Amazon Movie Studios, was removed from her job this week.

• 20:30Speaker 02

  Because of Holland?

• 20:31Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but I'm just like, well, this is what they're putting out.

• 20:34Speaker 02

  Someone, Jeff Bezos saw Holland and was like, okay.

• 20:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Apparently because of like James Bond and all that stuff, but, you know, it's tough times over there, it would seem. Okay. The other movie that we have to talk about, it has been out for a little while, Kind of Pregnant.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 20:48Amanda Dobbins?

  It has not been discussed here on The Big Picture, so this is our time. Happy Women's History Month, International Women's Month, whatever you're doing. So this one is an Amy Schumer vehicle, written by Amy Schumer and Julie Paiva, directed by Tyler Spindel.

• 21:03Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 21:03Amanda Dobbins?

  And this is like, it's Bridesmaids, but for pregnancy. Amy Schumer is also a teacher.

• 21:12Speaker 02

  She's a teacher.

• 21:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 21:13Speaker 02

  There's three jobs that women can have, I want you to understand.

• 21:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, right, go ahead.

• 21:16Speaker 02

  It's teacher, writer, or some, something to do with the arts, like, gallerist, maybe an interior decorator.

• 21:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 21:25Speaker 02

  These are the jobs allowed in the garbage women canon.

• 21:27Amanda Dobbins?

  It used to be journalist, but then the media fell apart, so we're no longer inspirational, and now, yeah.

• 21:32Speaker 02

  Now it's novelists.

• 21:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, or if you're gonna be a journalist, it's like in a family affair, where it's like, you write Pulitzer Prize-winning books and then get like $5 a word from Vogue.

• 21:42Speaker 02

  Exactly.

• 21:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, okay. So she's a teacher and her best friend, played by Gillian Bell.

• 21:47Speaker 02

  Love her.

• 21:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Gets pregnant. I do too.

• 21:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 21:49Amanda Dobbins?

  And she's like, kinda jealous. It's the whole like bridesmaid thing of like, what is our friendship gonna be now that you're going through this life change? So then Amy Schumer decides to pretend to be pregnant also. And then hijinks and sue.

• 22:02Speaker 02

  I'm sorry, I loved it.

• 22:03Amanda Dobbins?

  I also thought it was really funny.

• 22:05Speaker 02

  I genuinely loved it.

• 22:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I am sort of embarrassed to say it and I went in being like, I don't know about this. And I did think it was pretty funny. I think it marries what Amy Schumer does pretty well, which is like mocking the worst, most insulting parts of being a woman, which pregnancy is like definitely a part of them. And she's always been good at like humor or always been willing to like make humor about her body and like the physical aspects of being a woman and pregnancy is just the worst part of that.

• 22:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Everyone's so lucky to have kids, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But like pregnancy sucks.

• 22:44Speaker 02

  Et cetera, et cetera. It's a body horror film.

• 22:46Amanda Dobbins?

  So yeah, so it is. It's a body horror film, like really funny. It meets her and her experiences. She also famously like had the worst pregnancy ever. She had like the hypermeas, you know, the very intense morning sickness.

• 23:02Amanda Dobbins?

  And anyway, meets where it is. It's like just broad enough, but also has specific funny jokes. Pretty good cast.

• 23:10Speaker 02

  Chris Gear, who's had a small role, but I love him.

• 23:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm me too. I was like, oh, hey, it's that guy. So I didn't know about Brienne Howie because I've never seen Jenny and Georgia.

• 23:20Speaker 02

  I actually haven't either. Is that where she's from?

• 23:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, yes. So she is like a big.

• 23:22Speaker 02

  It's a huge TV show. My cousin Nikki loves that show.

• 23:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Huge, huge Netflix thing. And so this is sort of like the Netflix and how star thing. But I have never watched Jenny and Georgia. So I never had seen her before. I thought she was great.

• 23:34Speaker 02

  She was great.

• 23:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, very funny.

• 23:35Speaker 02

  Yeah. The woman who plays the third teacher, the coach, the PE coach.

• 23:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Ursula Carlson. Googled her halfway through. I was like, who is this person?

• 23:43Speaker 02

  She's a star. She's so funny.

• 23:46Amanda Dobbins?

  She's like the Melissa McCarthy role. And like basically like they're like ripping off the Melissa McCarthy bridesmaid performance, but that's okay. Like, I still laugh.

• 23:53Speaker 02

  But she brought her own spin on it.

• 23:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, no, no. She was like genuinely very funny, but you can just see the blueprint. That's okay.

• 24:00Speaker 02

  Will Forte.

• 24:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Great, right.

• 24:02Speaker 02

  Fab.

• 24:03Amanda Dobbins?

  So he is Brian Howie's brother.

• 24:06Speaker 02

  His fa- her failed brother who lives in the garage.

• 24:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, and just to, they also make a big deal of her living in Clinton Hill. And then they have literally a three-car garage in Clinton Hill that he lives in. So that's my first note of this doesn't make sense. But again, exaggeration of real estate locations is a hallmark of garbage women canon.

• 24:26Speaker 02

  Right.

• 24:26Amanda Dobbins?

  So this definitely counts.

• 24:28Speaker 02

  Also, sorry, something I didn't say about Holland, speaking of poking holes. What year was that, babe? Because that Nokia phone they constantly use, that's 1999, but then it's the 90s because they're watching.

• 24:38Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it was like very clearly 2000.

• 24:40Speaker 02

  Like, okay.

• 24:41Amanda Dobbins?

  2000 because it's like, I even wrote them down, here we go. So she's watching Mrs. Doubtfire, but it's a blockbuster DVD.

• 24:48Speaker 02

  She has the Pizza Hut box, that's the old one.

• 24:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Pogs, beepers.

• 24:51Speaker 02

  Pogs are early 90s though, I played with them in middle.

• 24:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I mean, so did I, but like, you know.

• 24:55Speaker 02

  Did they last longer?

• 24:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess so, the children, Jack is, Jack Sanders wouldn't know.

• 24:59Speaker 02

  I was like, pogs and Nokia phone are not the same.

• 25:02Amanda Dobbins?

  There's that incredibly weird, like, Party Up music cue.

• 25:07Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 25:08Amanda Dobbins?

  And that is late 90s.

• 25:09Speaker 02

  And the DMX.

• 25:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 25:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 25:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it was really, really, really, yes, exactly, yeah. So I think it was meant to be 2000.

• 25:17Speaker 02

  Probably 1999, 2000, okay, sorry, back to, back to.

• 25:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, this is, um.

• 25:20Speaker 02

  Kind of pregnant.

• 25:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Kind of pregnant is current.

• 25:23Speaker 02

  It's current, it's, I'm gonna say, I think, I want to know if you agree. I think also, i- if you go into it knowing it's a Happy Madison production, it all falls into place.

• 25:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 25:34Speaker 02

  Because it's, it's a Happy Madison, it has that feel and tone.

• 25:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 25:38Speaker 02

  That I love, that besides bridesmaids, you don't get, ever see women get to do that.

• 25:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I mean, women typically don't go for body humor, they don't go for like the barfing in the sink. They don't go for like all of that stuff. But pregnancy is like a very good topic for, for. For that, I, like, the pregnancy stuff is pretty good. Like, she steals, she gets the idea to be pregnant and steals it from a hatch store.

• 26:02Speaker 02

  I just recently was in a hatch store for the first time. That's a horror movie.

• 26:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I

• 26:06Speaker 02

  Respectfully to the owners of Hatch.

• 26:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Never been inside a Hatch store. I spent a lot of time on Hatch Online during both of my pregnancies being like, maybe if I stare at this long enough, I will will one of these pieces of clothing into being right for me. And I just have to tell you, they never were.

• 26:25Speaker 02

  Just because you're pregnant doesn't mean you have to dress ugly.

• 26:28Amanda Dobbins?

  If you're just ugly, also, those clothes aren't cut for most pregnant people. Like, the dirty secret about pregnancy clothes or whatever and models is that most of the time it's like non-pregnant models

• 26:40Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 26:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Wearing the bump

• 26:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 26:42Amanda Dobbins?

  That you see Amy Schumer steal in the Hatch store. But so the clothes don't accommodate the rest of your body.

• 26:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 26:50Amanda Dobbins?

  So, no Hatch stuff ever worked for me. Also, you know, I

• 26:54Speaker 02

  They do give you candy in the store, which is nice.

• 26:56Amanda Dobbins?

  That is nice.

• 26:57Speaker 02

  Even though it wasn't Amy Schumer style, I was like, I'll have some of that.

• 27:00Amanda Dobbins?

  The thing where Amy Schumer gets on the subway and is like, oh, I finally get a seat. Like, that actually is a real feeling. And I remember the last month of when I was pregnant with Si. Like, I was just like, I gotta, I gotta go seize the day. I gotta be out of the world and let people be nice to me because this is really gonna end very soon.

• 27:22Speaker 02

  It's like me with my burnt down house. Which I only have a little more time to really milk that. You think I have a little while?

• 27:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 27:27Speaker 02

  At least one, one full pregnancy.

• 27:30Amanda Dobbins?

  I think a calendar year, right?

• 27:32Speaker 02

  Okay, great.

• 27:32Amanda Dobbins?

  And then, like, in 2026.

• 27:35Speaker 02

  Hatch is definitely not gonna send me anything, but maybe other people.

• 27:38Amanda Dobbins?

  I think it would fit you better than, you know. I like that. I liked the, um, the whole mom, like prenatal yoga scene and Mama Stay.

• 27:47Speaker 02

  Mama Stay, it was so, it was like,

• 27:49Amanda Dobbins?

  This is like,

• 27:50Speaker 02

  Why are you doing this? This is misogynistic. Why are you doing this to women? Not the movie, the idea of that, like, just because women are pregnant, what, now they're, like, lobotomized as well?

• 27:59Amanda Dobbins?

  The, the you got this mama culture, listen, listen. You do got this, mama. And I don't like, don't want to say, like, on International Women's Month. And there are situations in which, like, it works, but so many products now are sold to pregnant women and, like, new mothers as, like, for the mamas, you know? And like, I find it so like blood curdling.

• 28:28Speaker 02

  It's infantilizing.

• 28:29Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, I just, I don't call me mama unless you're my son, you know? I'm like really, really not interested. I once quit like a workout video, like a prenatal thing, because it was just like this like not pregnant woman being like, okay, mamas, and now it's time for child's pose. And I was like, I physically can't do child's pose right now because I have a belly. But also like you keep calling me mama, so like, could you, could you think through this?

• 28:54Speaker 02

  That was very funny. She, the number of times she fell on the stomach.

• 28:59Amanda Dobbins?

  It's really good.

• 29:00Speaker 02

  Also, Chris Gears, I can't remember the character's name, random obsession with Red Table Talk and Jada Pinkett Smith.

• 29:07Amanda Dobbins?

  That was funny.

• 29:07Speaker 02

  A wonderful ran, I love that kind of just super random, like ongoing bit that has nothing to do with anything.

• 29:15Amanda Dobbins?

  And it's where you can tell that it's like was not noted to death and or like, there's still some connection to the original person who wrote it, you know? Like the specificity of the humor is kind of funny.

• 29:29Speaker 02

  I'll just go on, I'm a huge Amy Schumer fan. I love her. And I think part of what really worked for me with Kind of Pregnant, have you seen Life After Beth?

• 29:36Amanda Dobbins?

  I never watched that one.

• 29:37Speaker 02

  Oh, my god, Amanda, it is one of the best shows of all time, in my opinion. It's in, I watched it twice.

• 29:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 29:43Speaker 02

  It is.

• 29:43Amanda Dobbins?

  What is the premise again?

• 29:45Speaker 02

  It's actually way more serious than you would think. It's not like slapstick comedy. It's about Amy Schumer's character's mother dying and her like sort of the after, get it like, the impact it has on her life and getting her, changing her life because she has this sort of like profound realizations post her mother dying. She had a complicated life. It is so fucking good. And I think that's like an underrated Amy Schumer quality, which you'll see if you watch Life After Beth. She's like a, a deep thinking, like kind of a more profound comedic person. And the, the through line, I think of Kind of Pregnant that I loved my feminism right back in the body,

• 30:24Speaker 02

  is like the idea of how embarrassing it must feel to be like, I wanna, I wanna have a baby and I can't because I have not met anyone and I'm, everyone's doing it and I'm not. And like, you know, that doesn't get talked about that much.

• 30:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, the exclusion.

• 30:41Speaker 02

  The exclusion, the like, it's not.

• 30:45Speaker 02

  I mean, they did have her end up with someone, but also just like.

• 30:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, they wrap this up pretty quickly.

• 30:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:51Amanda Dobbins?

  It is a fairly like ridiculous story and then.

• 30:54Speaker 02

  But like that level, the level of like desperate desire for a thing you can't have, causing you to do something so mentally ill, like pretend to be pregnant to everyone in your life. I thought was like a really like underneath all the hilarity, like.

• 31:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 31:08Speaker 02

  A good, an interesting message.

• 31:10Amanda Dobbins?

  And it also, I, I wish I could remember more of the plot of I Feel Pretty, which was like.

• 31:15Speaker 02

  You know, me too.

• 31:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I think.

• 31:17Speaker 02

  That's when she hits her head and she.

• 31:18Amanda Dobbins?

  And then she like loses all of her body image. Yeah, but it's like in reverse and so she's like.

• 31:24Speaker 02

  It's a John Cena, is that one? Or that's the other one?

• 31:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, no, that's Trainwreck.

• 31:28Speaker 02

  Trainwreck, also a great movie. I feel pretty good.

• 31:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, it's, it's like a little long, but it's, parts of it are okay.

• 31:34Speaker 02

  I'm a Amy Schumer stan.

• 31:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I, I don't know. I thought this was very charming. It does have real heart, as you were saying. I appreciated like they all go to like a prenatal depression workshop.

• 31:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 31:44Amanda Dobbins?

  And then like lots of jokes about constipation.

• 31:45Speaker 02

  And then randomly Molly Sims.

• 31:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, for like two seconds.

• 31:48Speaker 02

  Probably was the producer on the movie.

• 31:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, well, good for her.

• 31:51Speaker 02

  Yeah, bring her in.

• 31:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I, I, I liked it too.

• 31:54Speaker 02

  I say yes.

• 31:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, this is absolutely garbage women. Yes. Bang the gong, yes.

• 31:58Speaker 02

  I say, well, gee, would you say it's garbage women? Can garbage women movies be good?

• 32:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Great, thank you. Incredible segue. Incredible segue. Can they be good? Yes, they can. They can't be like Nora Ephron movies.

• 32:14Speaker 02

  Okay, so they're not supposed to, they're supposed to not be like a classic rom com.

• 32:20Amanda Dobbins?

  They're not supposed to be cinematic works of art.

• 32:24Speaker 02

  Right.

• 32:25Amanda Dobbins?

  But they can be enjoyable and well crafted.

• 32:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 32:29Amanda Dobbins?

  And um, like speak to.

• 32:33Speaker 02

  Right.

• 32:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Something that is meaningful to us.

• 32:36Speaker 02

  The canon has a, has a wide range of quality within the canon.

• 32:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly.

• 32:40Speaker 02

  Okay, got it. So then yes.

• 32:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 32:42Speaker 02

  Bang, gavel.

• 32:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. So the rules are.

• 32:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Has to be direct to streaming. Um, how do you know that you're watching Garbage Women? It's direct to streaming. It stars Nicole Kidman.

• 32:54Speaker 02

  Right.

• 32:54Amanda Dobbins?

  And or any other member of the Big Little Lies cast.

• 32:57Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 32:58Amanda Dobbins?

  And or any recent woman Oscar winner.

• 33:04Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 33:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, best actress, best supporting actress. In a direct to streaming movie.

• 33:09Speaker 02

  Right.

• 33:10Amanda Dobbins?

  And or someone who used to star in hundred million dollar movies at the box office.

• 33:16Speaker 02

  That would be a issue.

• 33:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And Lindsay, and Lindsay Lohan.

• 33:19Speaker 02

  And Lohan, for sure.

• 33:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, I do think that counts. And who else? Cameron Diaz, maybe?

• 33:25Speaker 02

  Sure.

• 33:26Amanda Dobbins?

  And Jennifer Lopez. But Jennifer Lopez is a good example. Okay?

• 33:29Speaker 02

  Yeah. I didn't watch that one.

• 33:30Amanda Dobbins?

  It's okay.

• 33:31Speaker 02

  But I asked my mom, who of course has seen it. And she said it was great.

• 33:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I actually did think it was funny.

• 33:36Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 33:37Amanda Dobbins?

  So that, for the most part, these movies aren't the worst movies that you've ever seen.

• 33:43Speaker 02

  Right.

• 33:44Amanda Dobbins?

  They aren't.

• 33:44Speaker 02

  Some of them were for me, but.

• 33:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, sure. They just, they don't have like the level of, of care.

• 33:51Speaker 02

  Sophistication.

• 33:52Amanda Dobbins?

  And sophistication that like really elevates them to, to all time classic.

• 33:57Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 33:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, and there is also just like, you know, Nicole Kidman, Reese Witherspoon, Anne Hathaway, Cameron Diaz, like all just. Laura Dern.

• 34:06Speaker 02

  Which we'll get.

• 34:07Amanda Dobbins?

  All just making straight to Netflix movies. You know, like that, that feels a little bit garbage.

• 34:13Speaker 02

  There's one on here that when we got to it. I will be pushing back on the garbage movie canon, so we'll.

• 34:18Amanda Dobbins?

  So you think, because you think it's like a classic.

• 34:21Speaker 02

  I just think it's an actual, proper good movie and doesn't belong here.

• 34:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I, you know, I was brainstorming here. I was trying to bring some interest.

• 34:28Speaker 02

  I'm excited to talk about it because I'm so glad it was on the list because then I got to see like one really good movie.

• 34:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so we're, we'll just go through it and we can debate whether they go in or not. Then you can let me know if I've forgotten anything. Okay. But so, well, we'll just start with Big Little Lies Oscar winners.

• 34:47Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 34:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Obviously, Holland.

• 34:51Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, it's the reason, it's, it's the news peg for this podcast, but you know, I don't know if I would recommend.

• 34:57Speaker 02

  If you're my parents playing solitaire, absolutely you should watch this film.

• 35:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, if you need to like hit the real real for a while.

• 35:03Speaker 02

  Yeah, exactly.

• 35:03Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 35:04Speaker 02

  Great, throw it on the back.

• 35:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know.

• 35:05Speaker 02

  You're not gonna understand what's going on.

• 35:06Amanda Dobbins?

  No, that's the problem.

• 35:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Is that if you're like really deep in your real real, real real faves, then you will miss something. And I did have to like back 10, back 10, back 10 a few times.

• 35:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 35:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, but I mean, Tanya, Nicole Kidman is starring in it, so it's garbage.

• 35:22Speaker 02

  And her wig, yeah.

• 35:23Amanda Dobbins?

  A family affair. Nicole Kidman, Netflix, 2024. Yassie. Speak on it.

• 35:29Speaker 02

  This is one of, another horrible wig example, where I'm like, what's happening here with your wig? I don't like to speak about people's appearances. That's such a lie. I love to speak about people's appearances.

• 35:44Speaker 02

  I went down another Reddit thread.

• 35:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 35:46Speaker 02

  Cause I was like researching.

• 35:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  Zac Efron.

• 35:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm. Oh, well, sure. He had all sorts of.

• 35:51Speaker 02

  I know, he had a jaw surgery.

• 35:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 35:53Speaker 02

  His ambassadors were overdeveloped.

• 35:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 35:56Speaker 02

  But also, there's other stuff.

• 35:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 35:59Speaker 02

  I would.

• 36:00Amanda Dobbins?

  So you think, you, you think that the level of, of work being done?

• 36:04Speaker 02

  Just for both of them and without like, no judgment, I do work. I'll say it. I've got some botox.

• 36:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean.

• 36:09Speaker 02

  Send some other stuff.

• 36:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, really?

• 36:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, botox.

• 36:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it looks great.

• 36:13Speaker 02

  No, I know. I, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Since I was 33 years old. Ask me anything.

• 36:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I've been on the sidelines for so long from a, from a child birthing perspective that like I'm, I'm thinking about dabbling.

• 36:25Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:26Amanda Dobbins?

  But I haven't done it yet.

• 36:27Speaker 02

  Well, I'm not here to recommend.

• 36:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 36:30Speaker 02

  Or to deny you, but.

• 36:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Not on this, anyway. On our text chain where we just like recommend dorms back and forth.

• 36:35Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, all sorts of things. Okay, thank you.

• 36:37Speaker 02

  But.

• 36:38Amanda Dobbins?

  You look great.

• 36:38Speaker 02

  Oh, my God, thank you. You too.

• 36:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Thanks.

• 36:40Speaker 02

  You don't really need it, honestly. Um. I found their faces distracting is all I wanna say. That, that part was difficult for me.

• 36:50Amanda Dobbins?

  In their defense.

• 36:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:52Amanda Dobbins?

  And in the defense of women of a certain age in front of cameras everywhere.

• 36:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 36:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Speaking also to you and me.

• 36:57Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 36:57Amanda Dobbins?

  The cameras have gotten too good.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  No, I, I think that's part of the wig thing also.

• 37:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and so I do think that sometimes that like the, the production, like the, the lighting, the cameras, everything are like not aligned with the way people's like faces and hair are looking.

• 37:17Speaker 02

  We don't need it, we don't need this much definition. Like, let's take it back 10 notches. We were good, we had a beautiful time.

• 37:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Put vaseline on the lens, you know?

• 37:26Speaker 02

  Maybe that's why you can't see the Kardashians.

• 37:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, right, there we go. But, but it is a hallmark of these movies that at some point they just say like, okay, well, we're rolling and that's how it's gonna look.

• 37:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:38Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 37:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 37:39Amanda Dobbins?

  I, the Family Affair wardrobe from Nicole Kidman?

• 37:42Speaker 02

  Very good.

• 37:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Really aspirational to me.

• 37:44Speaker 02

  There's a sweater that I like, took a photo.

• 37:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I know, me too. When she's in the kitchen?

• 37:48Speaker 02

  No, when she's on the deck. It's like one second where he's there like in their love montage and he brings her like a coffee and she's wearing this fish, like a large white fisherman sweater. And I like paused and took a photo, I was like, where do I get that?

• 38:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, there was, I mean, there was predictably a navy sweater, I think, like crew neck.

• 38:05Speaker 02

  You love navy.

• 38:06Amanda Dobbins?

  I do, it's, it's my favorite color and she's like in the kitchen, which, great kitchen, by the way.

• 38:10Speaker 02

  Kitchen. And maybe another like side bullet point of these movies, lots of great kitchens.

• 38:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, of course, because Nancy Meyers is another.

• 38:19Speaker 02

  Sure, she's the godmother.

• 38:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Hallmark of this, and I think if the movie is written or directed by Nancy Meyers, it is not eligible for this. Also, like, all of her movies like go to theaters.

• 38:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 38:32Amanda Dobbins?

  But like, if the holiday were straight to streaming, like, mm, maybe we would be in garbage with it. Yeah, but yes, all great kitchens. My thing about the Family Affair house, great house, but like a very obvious, like, Los Angeles, like mashup real estate lie of.

• 38:48Speaker 02

  I'm like, what did you write, fucking Harry Potter bitch? Because this house, what, what are you writing? What books are you writing that bought you this house?

• 38:56Amanda Dobbins?

  The exterior, wherever they are, is like supposed to be on PCH, but also, this is pre-fires, everyone.

• 39:03Speaker 02

  Right, yeah.

• 39:04Amanda Dobbins?

  We, yeah, so we love you.

• 39:05Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 39:06Amanda Dobbins?

  But then. It's like the exterior and the front of the house and the back of the house like really don't match. Sort of like in a Sound of Music way.

• 39:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:15Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know if you know that, but the front of the Sound of Music house and the gazebo are two different locations.

• 39:19Speaker 02

  No, I just nodded and I was like, okay.

• 39:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, oh, you do. Oh, get your.

• 39:22Speaker 02

  I did not know that, no.

• 39:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 39:24Speaker 02

  But I do know.

• 39:25Amanda Dobbins?

  We're big on Sound of Music in my house right now. But still a good kitchen.

• 39:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 39:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Still a good house.

• 39:30Speaker 02

  Great music, which you kind of texted me to watch out for. This one had really good music. The Wham opener, the Blondie sequence where she's wearing the cool Blondie t-shirt while she's cleaning. It had good stuff. Also, okay, I didn't watch them in order.

• 39:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh huh.

• 39:46Speaker 02

  I tried to watch You Replace Her Mind before this.

• 39:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 39:50Speaker 02

  And then Remembered.

• 39:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 39:52Speaker 02

  I literally have seen this film.

• 39:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 39:54Speaker 02

  Remembered nothing about it.

• 39:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 39:56Speaker 02

  But refused to subject myself to it again. But I watched like 20 minutes of it. And then right into this, I was like, oh, the pacing of this and the dialogue is much better.

• 40:05Amanda Dobbins?

  A family affair.

• 40:06Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought it was genuinely funny.

• 40:08Speaker 02

  It's funny.

• 40:09Amanda Dobbins?

  I like.

• 40:10Speaker 02

  The quad father joke?

• 40:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, Joey King plays like a Hollywood assistant.

• 40:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 40:14Amanda Dobbins?

  And I do always like, you know, behind the scenes, like making movies.

• 40:18Speaker 02

  Totally.

• 40:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Hollywood, baby. Watch the studio, it's fantastic. But she is funny. She, Zac Efron is very funny.

• 40:25Speaker 02

  Zac Efron is very funny.

• 40:26Amanda Dobbins?

  He's very funny.

• 40:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's very funny.

• 40:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Nicole Kidman is like sort of in a different movie, but that's okay because everyone else is being funny around her.

• 40:32Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's, that's not her thing.

• 40:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I.

• 40:36Speaker 02

  Kathy Bates.

• 40:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, yeah.

• 40:38Speaker 02

  Gorgeous, gorgeous Kathy Bates performance.

• 40:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I forgot that Kathy Bates is just like giving, like setting her free by the fireplace in like Tahoe or wherever they are.

• 40:46Speaker 02

  She's like an anchor, but she's up, they're up north, so I don't know, maybe Napa or something. But yeah, she has big sur, she, she really grounds the film.

• 40:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, yeah, of course, normal stuff. Um, you would not recommend this movie to others?

• 40:59Speaker 02

  No, I would. I mean, if you like, if you like garbage movie.

• 41:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 41:03Speaker 02

  Woman movie, this is like, I think, a higher up in the garbage.

• 41:07Amanda Dobbins?

  I found it incredibly charming. I remember, and I think I watched it the day it came out. I remember speaking with, you know, colleagues and fellow garbage women appreciators who were far less enthusiastic about it. So, and maybe that just says that it's like lower on the garbage women quality.

• 41:25Speaker 02

  I would say it's like a midpoint. Like the montage where they try clothes on. Okay, thank you. I don't need that. Although she looks phenomenal in a top hat and I was upset. Yeah, it didn't, it didn't do anything to me.

• 41:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I like it. But again, I was very envious of that closet. Like, literally like the closet space, but also the things inside the closet.

• 41:45Speaker 02

  I do, I felt like her wig changed lengths throughout the.

• 41:49Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, maybe she got a haircut.

• 41:51Speaker 02

  Of course. Right, of course. Um, I did think Joey King was great.

• 41:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 41:56Speaker 02

  I liked the subplot of her and being sort of, you know, self-obsessed. I did think it was kind of a nepo baby coming of age subplot, because that was kind of what her vibe is, you know?

• 42:06Amanda Dobbins?

  But she seemed like a good assistant. She was working hard.

• 42:09Speaker 02

  She became a producer on Icarus Crush 7 or whatever.

• 42:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh my god, I forgot. That's what it's called. Um, I, this is definitely garbage women. I also, I had a nice time with it. Um, you mentioned your place or mine, so do you want to go there? Because we're moving into the Reese Witherspoon section of things.

• 42:22Speaker 02

  We can talk about it. Um, again, I told you, I didn't re-watch it and I don't, like, I have a vague memory of, yeah.

• 42:30Amanda Dobbins?

  So this is written and directed by Aline Brush McKenna, who, who wrote several, like, classic rom-coms, if not, like, my faves, and then also wrote The Devil Wears Prada, which is one of the most important movies of our time.

• 42:42Speaker 02

  Did she not also do the TV show with Rachel Bloom? Is that why Rachel Bloom is in this movie?

• 42:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 42:45Speaker 02

  I did actually kind of like that show.

• 42:47Amanda Dobbins?

  She wrote Morning Glory also, which is, I think, the most underrated. Do you know about this one?

• 42:51Speaker 02

  No.

• 42:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Rachel McAdams is like a TV news producer working at, like, not The Today Show, but like the third ranked, and then the anchors are Diane Keaton and Harrison Ford.

• 43:00Speaker 02

  Oh my god.

• 43:01Amanda Dobbins?

  And then she has a romance with like a, a news producer, um, Patrick Wilson.

• 43:06Speaker 02

  Oh, I know. I didn't even hear about that.

• 43:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I think it's really charming. Uh, no, no, no. It was like 2010.

• 43:11Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 43:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, saw it with my dad at Christmas, and when we left the theaters, he was like, that should win Best Picture. So.

• 43:17Speaker 02

  Obsessed with your dad's criticism.

• 43:19Amanda Dobbins?

  He has a real, he, he has a love for cinema and a unique, uh, sensibility. Anyway. Aline Brush McKenna, fairy-touted. This had some issues.

• 43:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's, it was not a good movie.

• 43:33Amanda Dobbins?

  It's really not very good. I think a lot of it is the total lack of chemistry between Reese Witherspoon

• 43:40Speaker 02

  A hundred percent.

• 43:41Amanda Dobbins?

  and her co-star Ashton Kutcher.

• 43:43Speaker 02

  Who a little past his prime, if I'm, if, if we're, if, if I'm being feminist again.

• 43:47Amanda Dobbins?

  The, the tape exists and so I, I have to say this. I do think, he surprised me with how handsome he looked in this movie.

• 43:58Speaker 02

  I met him, did I tell you this?

• 43:59Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 43:59Speaker 02

  I met him in person once and it, I was gla, like, I was shocked, floored at how gorgeous. I never even thought, like, I was like, he's not my thing, whatever, and in person, I was like, oh.

• 44:11Amanda Dobbins?

  So, like, a lot of it is all privilege, right?

• 44:13Speaker 02

  But no, he's just like, he has a glamour. He looks fine.

• 44:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 44:18Speaker 02

  It's not like he looked bad or anything, but like, there was something a little la, a little dead behind the eyes. I don't know how to explain it. Maybe it's that lack of charisma between the two of us or whatever.

• 44:26Amanda Dobbins?

  It does also, I mean, the, the film is like, sort of riffing on Sleepless in Seattle in the sense that they are in different places.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Throughout the movie and they, they just have to do a lot of split screen.

• 44:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 44:40Amanda Dobbins?

  But they also then are not in the same place. And he is like very clearly on like a green screen soundstage with like a picture of Dumbo projected behind him.

• 44:52Speaker 02

  She's, she's also a writer, an aspiring writer.

• 44:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 44:55Speaker 02

  She's being a CPA or something, but.

• 44:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 44:57Speaker 02

  But she's in her heart, she's a writer.

• 44:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, the, this came out in 2023 and her fashion as a aspiring Silverlike writer and a, and an actual mom, she's not aspiring there.

• 45:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I felt indicted and upset. Uh, most of it I wouldn't wear, but there was one pair of jeans where I was like, oh, should I research those? And then that had, that was like a moment of, um, a reflection.

• 45:26Speaker 02

  Right, you had to do some introspection after that.

• 45:27Amanda Dobbins?

  And then I, like, I don't think I've worn clogs since, you know? Cause you just like can't be, and I, like, I ride for number six, but at some point you just like, you have to say goodbye.

• 45:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:37Amanda Dobbins?

  So. It's tough. They don't have chemistry and it's like very boring to watch them.

• 45:45Speaker 02

  It's just like, also another garbage women trope is like, the man? He can't commit. He's a playboy.

• 45:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. Yeah.

• 45:52Speaker 02

  You know, he just can't do it.

• 45:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 45:54Speaker 02

  Except with you.

• 45:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 45:55Speaker 02

  So.

• 45:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I think that is both like classic rom com and also all of these, a garbage women trope is that for the most part, these are women in their 40s.

• 46:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 46:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Right? This is like kind of, everyone starred in rom coms or Oscar winning films in the 90s and 2000s when they made those.

• 46:17Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:17Amanda Dobbins?

  And now they have to make roles for themselves and often have to imagine like the next

• 46:23Speaker 02

  Right.

• 46:23Amanda Dobbins?

  generation of women's lives.

• 46:25Speaker 02

  I was glad that he wasn't younger, because I'm

• 46:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 46:28Speaker 02

  We'll talk about that.

• 46:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 46:29Speaker 02

  I'm quite sick of that.

• 46:30Amanda Dobbins?

  They all have jobs, you know, so that's good. And it's nice that none of them are like dependent on these men for really anything other than emotional or sort of sexual fulfillment, but there's not a lot of sex in any of these either.

• 46:44Speaker 02

  No.

• 46:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Just kind of disappointing.

• 46:47Speaker 02

  Except we're kind of pregnant.

• 46:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that's true. Oh, my God. That is a really funny sex scene.

• 46:52Speaker 02

  Big sex scene, yeah.

• 46:54Amanda Dobbins?

  But yeah, so.

• 46:56Speaker 02

  It's just not a good movie. The writing is bad, the dialogue is bad, there's no chemistry.

• 47:00Amanda Dobbins?

  There's no chemistry.

• 47:00Speaker 02

  It's kind of boring.

• 47:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 47:02Speaker 02

  She's charming, but.

• 47:03Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it is garbage women, but.

• 47:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:05Amanda Dobbins?

  The other Reese Witherspoon entrant, you're cordially invited. We have talked about this on The Big Picture this year.

• 47:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Directed by Nick Stoller, starring Reese Witherspoon and Will Ferrell.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 47:19Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't really know what to make of this. I did laugh at times.

• 47:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:24Amanda Dobbins?

  And, I mean, I guess it's a rom com, though here's the thing, is that like, it's a garbage woman movie, half baked, married with a garbage boy movie.

• 47:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Or like, um, a garbage young person movie, a garbage Gen Z movie, because you could make a movie about the daughter.

• 47:47Speaker 02

  Right.

• 47:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Right? And then a movie about Reese Witherspoon, but they're kind of jammed together.

• 47:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. There were definitely funny moments.

• 47:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 47:56Speaker 02

  I laughed.

• 47:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 47:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 47:58Amanda Dobbins?

  As I said to you, the, the Southern family who's just like, I don't know what you're talking about. Uh, that did really.

• 48:05Speaker 02

  Resonated for you.

• 48:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I, I saw some of myself there and Reese Witherspoon looks fantastic.

• 48:10Speaker 02

  Couldn't get over it. I, I was like, if this was just a vehicle for how good she looks.

• 48:13Amanda Dobbins?

  She looks amazing. They figured the cameras out on that one. Yeah.

• 48:17Speaker 02

  She was so good. Um, I don't, I'm sorry, I don't buy it that you are attracted to Will Ferrell.

• 48:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's the other problem, right? And that's another thing where this is, this is a romantic comedy where there is no chemistry between the people. Even though they're both very funny on their own, but it just doesn't make any sense.

• 48:34Speaker 02

  Yeah, uh, that's a, that, again, my parents were like, it was funny. And I was like, okay.

• 48:39Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it was kind of funny and like, and I was like happy to watch it and I watched it opening weekend, which is I guess, you know, all they can ask of us.

• 48:46Speaker 02

  I loved the Southern family. I thought they were the funniest part.

• 48:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. I mean, it like basically would have been better if it were just about Reese Witherspoon.

• 48:54Speaker 02

  Right. And, and being a sort of.

• 48:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, but then number one, it's like Sweet Home Alabama, which is tough on a number of levels. Uh, and.

• 49:02Speaker 02

  A baby in a bar?

• 49:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. And then you don't have Will Ferrell. And I would like a Will Ferrell movie too.

• 49:09Speaker 02

  He was very funny.

• 49:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 49:10Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love him. The best joke, and I'm not gonna spoil, but the best joke of the entire film, which I'm pretty sure was slapped on at the end, was the very last scene. When they're in the car.

• 49:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I don't remember. Maybe I turned it off before the credits.

• 49:22Speaker 02

  When she's like, wait, do you have a job?

• 49:26Speaker 02

  It's, I don't know, but it's, I laughed really hard at that joke.

• 49:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, the, here, this, it's all been leading to this. And we, by the way, we're still just in the big little lies, Oscar winners category. We haven't even gotten to non-big little lies, Oscar winners. Uh, this is an epidemic, but we do need to talk about Lonely Planet. So you watched Lonely Planet at my request. I have asked everyone in my life to watch Lonely Planet and I think you and Julia.

• 49:53Speaker 02

  Why are you punishing people?

• 49:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Recommended it to me. Because I couldn't believe what I was watching throughout the entire, entire film.

• 50:03Speaker 02

  It is, again, she's a writer.

• 50:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure, so this is, came out last year, stars Laura Dern and Liam Hensworth.

• 50:12Speaker 02

  Is that Miley Cyrus's ex-husband?

• 50:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, yes, he of Flowers and Malibu and all of that fame.

• 50:19Speaker 02

  Fantastic job he did on Reining in, he's Australian.

• 50:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 50:23Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Never let that slip, good for him.

• 50:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 50:26Speaker 02

  Kudos.

• 50:26Amanda Dobbins?

  This is written and directed by Susanna Grant. And Laura Dern plays a writer who goes to a residency in, I believe Marrakech, in Morocco.

• 50:35Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 50:36Amanda Dobbins?

  A writer's residency. And then somehow befriends the finance boyfriend of like another.

• 50:46Speaker 02

  Ingenue writer.

• 50:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, she's like an Instagram poet.

• 50:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's Rubik power.

• 50:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, exactly.

• 50:53Amanda Dobbins?

  And they are both discontented with their lives. And through a stolen bag incident and some insights about the NFL play calling system.

• 51:11Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 51:11Amanda Dobbins?

  They find new meaning in each of their lives.

• 51:16Speaker 02

  Couldn't have said it better myself.

• 51:17Amanda Dobbins?

  It is, everything about it is so preposterous. And once again, the number one question is Laura Dern, like, what's going on here?

• 51:26Speaker 02

  Wanted to go to Morocco. And they were like, this was, I was like, you know what, sis? If they were like, you can come and we're gonna film in Morocco and we'll pay you this amount of money. We're gonna film for four days.

• 51:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 51:36Speaker 02

  And they can do whatever you want. This was just my theorizing. I'd be like, yeah, I'm coming and you get to make out with Liam Hensworth. I was like, well, I've done enough good movies.

• 51:44Amanda Dobbins?

  They do make out.

• 51:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 51:46Amanda Dobbins?

  But that's it.

• 51:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's no like sex scene.

• 51:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, they don't spend the night together. Do they, I mean, it's like.

• 51:51Speaker 02

  They do spend the night together when they go on that little.

• 51:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Is it implied? Sex, like in that?

• 51:56Speaker 02

  They stayed in one room.

• 51:58Amanda Dobbins?

  In that closet? Or when, oh, when they go on the vacation?

• 52:00Speaker 02

  They go on the vacation.

• 52:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. Right, what are, what are they trying to find?

• 52:05Speaker 02

  Themselves? No, um, he just wants to, that's like when they're like solidifying their relationship. He's leaving his, his Instagram.

• 52:14Amanda Dobbins?

  His Instagram poet.

• 52:15Speaker 02

  Poet, because she cheated on, I'm sorry, I'm twirling the whole, don't watch this movie.

• 52:19Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I mean, I like, I mean, no, no, I spoiled the, I spoiled the NFL thing, though like not totally, so.

• 52:25Speaker 02

  They, speaking of zero, negative 200 chemistry.

• 52:29Amanda Dobbins?

  I hope they use that play in the NFL, by the way. It is football related. I don't know whether it's college, high school, NFL.

• 52:35Speaker 02

  Cause he was a football star in, in high school.

• 52:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, my God. I do just remember that scene when they, she like tries to guess his nickname and then guesses it on the first time. That was so stupid. Also, so she said this like beautiful writer's retreat, which is like, again, the location and the real estate porn here.

• 52:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's so beautiful.

• 52:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Except, like, her palatial room is like too beautiful, so then she is just like in a closet.

• 53:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, because I didn't have water or something. Um, also, I'm sorry, your bag was lost, but you'll have a Drybar level blowout every day? Explain that to me. Where's your face wash?

• 53:14Amanda Dobbins?

  The one pair of shorts that they put her in was, I, again, I thought a crime. Um, and I understand people travel in, you know, their most comfortable clothing. The shorts were really bad. Don't do that to Laura Dern.

• 53:25Speaker 02

  She has great hair, though.

• 53:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, she does look great. I mean, I guess that it was.

• 53:30Speaker 02

  But I'm not.

• 53:30Amanda Dobbins?

  The blowout was like the day before.

• 53:33Speaker 02

  It's like six days, though. It's, that shit is grease falling out. What's, what's happening?

• 53:36Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I guess that's true.

• 53:38Speaker 02

  You, you bring your Dyson Airwrap on the carry-on? I don't think so.

• 53:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, listen, if you're, if you are bringing the Dyson Airwrap, do keep it on your person. You do not want the airline to lose that.

• 53:48Speaker 02

  You're so right.

• 53:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you Airwrap?

• 53:49Speaker 02

  No, I actually tried to Air straight. This is, this is like the most females, we are the most feminist big pickpocket.

• 53:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I will.

• 53:56Speaker 02

  There's not one man still listening to this. They're like, they're like Dyson Air. I tried to use the Air straight yesterday, cause I'm, I'm gonna cut my hair. I'm doing a bob.

• 54:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's exciting.

• 54:04Speaker 02

  Spoiler alert for you guys who care about my hair. Um, and I was like, but I need to straighten it because my hair is curly, and it did not work for me.

• 54:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 54:12Speaker 02

  I think I need the full-on damage heat.

• 54:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay. So it's a different

• 54:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:17Amanda Dobbins?

  attachment or a different machine?

• 54:19Speaker 02

  It's a different machine. It's like a flat iron version of the air wrap.

• 54:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay. I got it. I see. Um, I read a lot about the air wrap, which for those of you not listening is like a, like, listening and not following along. For some reason, it's like a viral, like, very expensive hair tool.

• 54:38Speaker 02

  It's a very high quality.

• 54:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 54:40Speaker 02

  Blow out brush with several other attachments.

• 54:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 54:44Speaker 02

  That uses like patented Dyson technology.

• 54:47Amanda Dobbins?

  And it's like $600 and it's like really big on TikTok.

• 54:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 54:50Amanda Dobbins?

  And I watched.

• 54:50Speaker 02

  I do want one.

• 54:52Amanda Dobbins?

  I, it's too much work is what I ultimately decided. I was like, I'm actually not that patient. Uh, sometimes, yeah, but I have just like a sort of like the round dry brush thing because I can't be, it's, it's too much. Okay. Lonely Planet is an incredible movie that's definitely going in the garbage can.

• 55:08Speaker 02

  Hundred thousand percent.

• 55:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, the final one I just put in to be cute, uh, have you seen Let Them All Talk? The, uh, Steven Soderbergh movie starring Meryl Streep and Candace Bergen.

• 55:17Speaker 02

  That's the one I wanted to push back on you. I thought that was a really good movie.

• 55:21Amanda Dobbins?

  It's a fantastic movie.

• 55:22Speaker 02

  Really good.

• 55:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Literally, it meets all the criteria. It was straight to max. Meryl Streep, Big Little Lies stars, season two, Oscar winner.

• 55:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, but it's way too.

• 55:32Amanda Dobbins?

  About women.

• 55:33Speaker 02

  It's way too good to be in this.

• 55:34Amanda Dobbins?

  They filmed it on a boat?

• 55:36Speaker 02

  There's no romantic real plot, except unless you count the subplot of the nephew.

• 55:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 55:43Speaker 02

  It's Meryl Streep.

• 55:46Speaker 02

  National, international treasure. Diane Weest, who I love.

• 55:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 55:49Speaker 02

  Candace Bergen, who I love triply. That's my girl.

• 55:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, speak on it.

• 55:54Speaker 02

  Women of a certain age, not even of a certain age of the other garbage can. And we're talking another rung up.

• 55:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 56:00Speaker 02

  And it's about, it's about bigger themes, right? It's about friendship, relationship, betrayal, like, she is a writer, so that does take that box.

• 56:10Amanda Dobbins?

  It's kind of all there. I mean, yeah.

• 56:12Speaker 02

  Like, they improvise the dialogue?

• 56:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Garbage women can be good. Steven Soderbergh directed this. Whatever, you know?

• 56:19Speaker 02

  Okay, I'll put it, but it's at the top of Mount, Mount Garbage Woman. This is the, the shining star.

• 56:24Amanda Dobbins?

  That's fine.

• 56:24Speaker 02

  It's, I loved it.

• 56:25Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, it's really good. Okay.

• 56:27Speaker 02

  Really good.

• 56:27Amanda Dobbins?

  All right. So we can expand the aperture a bit. So non Big Little Lies Oscar winners. There are more here than you want there to be. The most obvious one is The Idea of You. Anne Hathaway, Amazon Prime. Adaptation of a very successful romance novel.

• 56:47Speaker 02

  Which is fanfic.

• 56:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Which is fanfic. The character does bear a lot of resemblance to Harry Styles.

• 56:53Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 56:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Right?

• 56:54Speaker 02

  Are you a Harry Styles girlie? Does he do it for you?

• 56:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I get it. But I'm not like, I haven't been to a concert.

• 57:00Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 57:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I, for a long time, I didn't, I hadn't listened to any of the songs. And then one day I was like, oh, so that's what Watermelon Sugar is? I've heard that before.

• 57:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, sure.

• 57:11Amanda Dobbins?

  But yeah, sure. He's, I get it. He seems to have charisma.

• 57:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 57:14Amanda Dobbins?

  The guy playing whatever version of him in The Idea of You does not have charisma.

• 57:18Speaker 02

  You don't think so? I thought he was so hot.

• 57:19Amanda Dobbins?

  You know what? So, this is interesting.

• 57:22Speaker 02

  I don't know if he has charisma, but he's really hot.

• 57:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, sure. Everyone in these movies is beautiful.

• 57:26Speaker 02

  British accent for me is a real easy swap out for charisma. I'm like, if you have a British accent, I'm buying it. I'm in. I'm sold.

• 57:32Amanda Dobbins?

  My problem was that I did not believe that he was worth all of the hoopla that Anne Hathaway had to go through.

• 57:41Speaker 02

  Oh, there is no earned relationship there.

• 57:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Even and including, like, the sex scene, which I guess was okay, but was really not that hot.

• 57:51Speaker 02

  No.

• 57:52Amanda Dobbins?

  So this is, Anne Hathaway is a gallery owner.

• 57:55Speaker 02

  Silver Lake.

• 57:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Who accompanied, but that was not Los Angeles. And accompanies her daughter to Coachella.

• 58:03Speaker 02

  Trigg- triggering. This is a horror movie for me on many levels, and I'm gonna explain to you, but it was absolutely a horror movie.

• 58:08Amanda Dobbins?

  For a One Direction-type band's

• 58:12Speaker 02

  meet and greet.

• 58:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Meet and performance, sure. Has One Direction headlined Coachella. Yeah, see.

• 58:17Speaker 02

  I don't think so.

• 58:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay. I've never been to Coachella.

• 58:19Speaker 02

  That was also fanfic. That was aspirational.

• 58:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. And then the

• 58:24Speaker 02

  Especially she's wearing sandals. What are you even talking?

• 58:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Can I?

• 58:27Speaker 02

  Can you not to Coachella? Are you insane?

• 58:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I

• 58:30Speaker 02

  This is disgusting.

• 58:30Amanda Dobbins?

  I wouldn't know because I've never been to Coachella, but I actually do like that outfit. And like, of all of the aspirational mom wardrobes, I was like, oh, that is pretty good. And I have sort of a, she's wearing like an ombre shirt.

• 58:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 58:45Amanda Dobbins?

  And I have, I bought an ombre button down.

• 58:47Speaker 02

  You were inspired.

• 58:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:48Speaker 02

  Okay, I heard Coachella.

• 58:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, anyway, the, the Harry Styles type guy takes an interest in Anne Hathaway.

• 58:55Speaker 02

  Who wouldn't? She's drop dead gorgeous. She's truly stunning.

• 58:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, no, she looks incredibly beautiful. And then they have like a passionate love affair, transcending continents, generations, and um, her ex-husband's approval.

• 59:13Speaker 02

  Played by the guy from Veep, whose name I don't remember.

• 59:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, that guy.

• 59:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:17Amanda Dobbins?

  He's pretty mean.

• 59:20Amanda Dobbins?

  This was, I, this is, this is directed by Michael Showalter.

• 59:24Speaker 02

  I, yeah, I saw, I wanted to.

• 59:25Amanda Dobbins?

  It's not bad. It's not poorly made.

• 59:28Speaker 02

  Not, no, but it's like, okay. Why can't, I have, in bold, why can't the writing be good?

• 59:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, it's tough. It's co-written by Jennifer Westphal, who I love.

• 59:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 59:38Amanda Dobbins?

  But there is, like, like, grownups made this movie.

• 59:41Speaker 02

  Your point about like, it doesn't seem worth you throwing up, like, here's, I just, I'm sorry to do a dramatic reenactment, but there was just one moment that the dialogue was so bad I had to write it down. Where they're talking and she goes, okay, Hayes Campbell, that's his name. And he goes, not the first and last name. I can't remember. That was Scottish somehow. I'm so sorry. I'm not good at accents. Unlike Nicole Kidman. And then she goes, you don't like that? And he goes, it just doesn't tell the whole story. And then she gets really serious and goes,

• 1:00:11Speaker 02

  I can see that. And I'm like, what? See, what? What are you even talking about? And this is supposed to be like, a moment where they've really deeply connected. And I'm like, you've known this man for one day. What can you see? What are you guys even fucking on about? And then they're in love. And I'm like, okay, I need to just, like, you need to earn it a bit more.

• 1:00:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Well, they're like, not in love. Then they're just like, having sex.

• 1:00:32Speaker 02

  But then they're.

• 1:00:33Amanda Dobbins?

  But then they're separated because TMZ gets the photos and she goes to camp and her daughter's like, really mad.

• 1:00:40Speaker 02

  Why the hell did she, first of all, why did she fly coach to go see him? Why are you in coach? I was so thrown off by that. I was like.

• 1:00:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, she's doing it herself, right?

• 1:00:48Speaker 02

  I don't know. I thought, no, she called him. She didn't surprise him.

• 1:00:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but I think that-

• 1:00:53Speaker 02

  If that pop star doesn't send me a fucking first-class flight, I'm not coming.

• 1:00:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Listen, you, the host of Blaine's plane, you, you set the rules. And I, I mean, I agree with you. Um, but I do, I do think she was doing it herself. Or that she was supposed to be empowered, you know?

• 1:01:06Speaker 02

  Him playing the acoustic guitar in the bed? So triggering for me.

• 1:01:10Amanda Dobbins?

  It's really, really, really tough. No, no one wants to be a part of that. And then I, her daughter is a great actress who's like 25.

• 1:01:17Speaker 02

  Perfect casting, because she looked so much like she could be Anne Hathaway's daughter.

• 1:01:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, that person doesn't need to go to sleepaway camp because she's a grownup.

• 1:01:26Speaker 02

  Yeah, she's not.

• 1:01:27Amanda Dobbins?

  It's okay.

• 1:01:28Speaker 02

  She's meant to be like 15 in the movie. Yeah. I'm like, this is a woman.

• 1:01:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. I'm also kind of like, sleepaway camp is letting people check TMZ every day?

• 1:01:39Speaker 02

  No, they didn't have phones. So I think it was not till they got picked up, that everyone found out about it, because they were like freed from the tyranny of phone jail or whatever.

• 1:01:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:01:49Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, I wasn't really a camp person. Were you a camp person?

• 1:01:52Speaker 02

  No, no, my parents are foreign. We don't do that.

• 1:01:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, okay.

• 1:01:55Speaker 02

  No, no, no.

• 1:01:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Weird movie.

• 1:01:58Speaker 02

  I like, I enjoyed it.

• 1:02:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I didn't.

• 1:02:00Speaker 02

  You didn't enjoy it?

• 1:02:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, there were some parts where I enjoyed it. I just love her. She's so beautiful.

• 1:02:05Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:02:05Amanda Dobbins?

  But like, from the, from the beginning where they're like, Maggie Rogers' song and the silver, like, Sunset Junction sign, I was like, oh no, come on, I don't deserve this. The obligatory, um, all-time reference. All-time is a-

• 1:02:19Speaker 02

  Maybe if you're not here, and not, I don't want to be like a snob and like, oh, this is, like, yeah, if you're not here, it probably doesn't hurt that much to see these things, but I was like, I want to hear about all time.

• 1:02:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Glendale is a subplot.

• 1:02:30Speaker 02

  I've always wanted to go to Glendale. Also, the piece of art that she's like, makes me feel everything, that is one of the ugliest pieces of art I've ever seen in my life.

• 1:02:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Okay. But it, it goes in.

• 1:02:41Speaker 02

  Your, your best friend and co-host. Seanathan Fennessey gave this three and a half stars on Letterboxd.

• 1:02:48Amanda Dobbins?

  He really liked it.

• 1:02:49Speaker 02

  I was blown away.

• 1:02:49Amanda Dobbins?

  He's a big Anne Hathaway stan.

• 1:02:51Speaker 02

  Same, but.

• 1:02:52Amanda Dobbins?

  And listen, I think if you're just like coming to this movie, it plays as a movie.

• 1:02:57Speaker 02

  It is a movie.

• 1:02:58Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 1:02:58Speaker 02

  The actors are clearly visible and it's in English.

• 1:03:02Amanda Dobbins?

  And I do think also because it was Anne Hathaway and because it was like directed by Michael Showalter and like a little buzzy, people saw it, which is some of the garbage women movies like were alone, you know, in the, in the salt mines with,

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:03:15Amanda Dobbins?

  with Lonely Planet, you know, like not everyone is seeking them out, but people saw the idea of you. So that's good.

• 1:03:21Speaker 02

  Okay, I'll give it. I like the Wang Chun needle drop.

• 1:03:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  I'll be sort of positive.

• 1:03:25Amanda Dobbins?

  All right. So this one is borderline, but I have a case for it. The Good Nurse.

• 1:03:29Speaker 02

  Okay, that one I didn't watch.

• 1:03:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. So this is, this is not a comedy. This is a thriller starring Jessica Chastain and Eddie Redmayne. But she plays, it's, it's a Netflix film and she plays a nurse. Or some sort of like medical professional.

• 1:03:46Speaker 02

  Another allowable female job.

• 1:03:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, another allowable female job and like a working mom and she is faced with something very horrifying at work. And so she's trying to keep her family safe and like do the right thing. And is Jessica Chastain Oscar winner, just in like a very pulpy, confusing Netflix movie.

• 1:04:07Speaker 02

  Eddie Redmayne also.

• 1:04:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Eddie Redmayne, also an Oscar winner. So it's like, it's definitely garbage something.

• 1:04:13Speaker 02

  Maybe it's like a Holland situation where they were tricked into thinking it was going to be a really good movie. And then it wasn't. I didn't see it, so I can't pass judgment.

• 1:04:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't think that garbage women has to be strictly romantic comedy. I think that holds us in.

• 1:04:25Speaker 02

  Yeah, right.

• 1:04:26Amanda Dobbins?

  And we can be mediocre in a lot of different ways.

• 1:04:30Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:04:30Amanda Dobbins?

  And really, really famous actresses can take all types of bad parts.

• 1:04:36Speaker 02

  Sure, sure.

• 1:04:37Amanda Dobbins?

  But I, you know, this one, because it does also center on Eddie Redmayne a lot, it's more of like a garbage two-hander.

• 1:04:44Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:04:45Amanda Dobbins?

  So maybe it's more like.

• 1:04:46Speaker 02

  It's equal opportunity, gender equality.

• 1:04:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:04:49Speaker 02

  Garbage movie.

• 1:04:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Bridget Jones, Mad About the Boy.

• 1:04:51Speaker 02

  Well, you know how I felt about that.

• 1:04:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you were on the big picture, listening to this. Yeah.

• 1:04:55Speaker 02

  I love that movie.

• 1:04:56Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's, it's, do you think it's good?

• 1:04:59Speaker 02

  In what sense?

• 1:05:02Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, that is the question of garbage women.

• 1:05:04Speaker 02

  Um, it's hard to say with a sequel because you have like so much built up goodwill for this character.

• 1:05:09Amanda Dobbins?

  And this is a forklift.

• 1:05:10Speaker 02

  I would have seen it in the theater, 100%. I was actually mad that I was robbed of that experience of getting to go to Alamo Drafthouse or whatever and have a giant wine and some truffle popcorn with my gals.

• 1:05:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:05:26Speaker 02

  And like live it up.

• 1:05:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. Instead, you did that with your parents at home.

• 1:05:29Speaker 02

  I did that with my parents at home.

• 1:05:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Did your parents like it?

• 1:05:31Speaker 02

  No, actually, I watched that by myself.

• 1:05:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, okay.

• 1:05:33Speaker 02

  Um, but I think my parents would have liked it. My mom is a, she's a fan. My dad would have.

• 1:05:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I just remember your mom, I guess your mom watched the third Bridget Jones film with you.

• 1:05:41Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:05:42Amanda Dobbins?

  And said that.

• 1:05:43Speaker 02

  The baby.

• 1:05:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and Patrick Dempsey's in it.

• 1:05:45Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:05:46Amanda Dobbins?

  And.

• 1:05:46Speaker 02

  She said he shouldn't talk.

• 1:05:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, exactly.

• 1:05:48Speaker 02

  But he's very handsome.

• 1:05:49Amanda Dobbins?

  And that stayed with me.

• 1:05:50Speaker 02

  She has a real cutting thing to say about some celebrities and I'm always like, oh, why do you hate this person so much?

• 1:05:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I think, I mean, this is technically IP and, and the original was theatrically released.

• 1:06:07Speaker 02

  Correct.

• 1:06:07Amanda Dobbins?

  And sort of like, and it was a big budget thing.

• 1:06:09Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:10Amanda Dobbins?

  And, and, and made money and is a cultural phenomenon and I love it dearly.

• 1:06:14Speaker 02

  I think it is garbage movie, can, or fifth, garbage women, yeah.

• 1:06:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, because, go ahead.

• 1:06:20Speaker 02

  Because, which I've been dying to talk about this this whole time, The Made December. Is that what you call it when it's a woman and a man? Or is it the other way?

• 1:06:27Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I think it can go both ways.

• 1:06:29Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:06:30Amanda Dobbins?

  As, as seen in, in the film May December, which is not eligible.

• 1:06:35Speaker 02

  Because?

• 1:06:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Because even though Netflix did acquire it and it was released. Well, it's more that like, I guess it wasn't ultimately really nominated for Oscars, but it was very prestigious. So.

• 1:06:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, it was.

• 1:06:47Amanda Dobbins?

  It's too fancy.

• 1:06:48Speaker 02

  Not to be like Sixth Wave Feminism or The Feminism Has Left My Body, but why are we pushing so hard for women to date younger men and it to be so empowering when it's when men do it in movies, everyone's like, ugh, can you believe this crime against humanity that this man is committing?

• 1:07:11Speaker 02

  What is the, what is the fucking difference?

• 1:07:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't really, I don't understand why we're doing it either.

• 1:07:15Speaker 02

  It doesn't do it for me.

• 1:07:17Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess there are many women who, for whom it speaks to them. Like for whom it is appealing.

• 1:07:25Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:07:25Amanda Dobbins?

  And that, you know, I'm, I'm not here to judge, I guess. As long as everyone is being, you know, consensual and, and responsible.

• 1:07:34Speaker 02

  I think if the idea is like, no, women over forty are still desirable. I'm all about that.

• 1:07:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:07:42Speaker 02

  But if it's only to younger men, then it's a fetish. Do you know what I mean?

• 1:07:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:07:46Speaker 02

  Can you just put it with a regular age demand?

• 1:07:50Amanda Dobbins?

  A real commercial trend.

• 1:07:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:07:52Amanda Dobbins?

  That is clearly making its way into movies at like a, I don't know if it's over representative, but we've had a lot at once because people are like, Hollywood is like, oh, it seems like people who watch streaming movies are interested in this.

• 1:08:05Speaker 02

  It's kind of Mama's Day, but for dating. It's like, you go, you go girlfriend.

• 1:08:10Amanda Dobbins?

  It is troubling. In Bridget Jones' Mad About the Boy, there is that scene where he comes back and she is like, she's being responsible.

• 1:08:19Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:08:19Amanda Dobbins?

  For both of them, you know, and it's like, no, because you need this life. And so, maybe.

• 1:08:24Speaker 02

  Subverts the form of it.

• 1:08:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Maybe we think it's okay because the, the, the women are conscientious and are thinking about everyone as opposed to the men.

• 1:08:31Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:08:32Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know. I, it's, it is strange. He, Leah Woodall is the, yeah, he was great in it, so he's very good. Okay, I, two more.

• 1:08:41Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:08:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Sort of controversial, but.

• 1:08:43Speaker 02

  I think I only saw one of them.

• 1:08:44Amanda Dobbins?

  That's okay. So the, the first one, and this is a real self-own of sorts here, but listen, everything's on the table. On the Rocks?

• 1:08:54Speaker 02

  Okay, I did see that one.

• 1:08:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Written and directed by Sofia Coppola, who is an Oscar winner.

• 1:08:58Speaker 02

  So is she the garbage woman in this scenario?

• 1:09:01Amanda Dobbins?

  She, she is the reason that it's eligible, so we're stretching it a little.

• 1:09:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:09:05Amanda Dobbins?

  And it was only, it's a twenty twenty movie.

• 1:09:08Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:09:08Amanda Dobbins?

  So, um, I, it was co-produced, it was eight twenty-four and Apple. So I don't know whether it was ever intended to have a theatrical thing, but it just did,

• 1:09:20Amanda Dobbins?

  streaming, I believe, because of twenty twenty. I don't know, maybe it was in theaters.

• 1:09:24Speaker 02

  I didn't even know it existed.

• 1:09:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I watched it at home. Uh, it stars Rashida Jones and Bill Murray?

• 1:09:30Speaker 02

  Yep.

• 1:09:32Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, there were parts of it, I, I, like, I thought it was kinda good. It's not bad.

• 1:09:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:09:39Amanda Dobbins?

  It's, it's like not Sophia's strongest work. Uh, but it's, you know, it's not gonna be on the 25 for 25 list. Sorry for the spoilers. Um, but it does also fit, it's like about a mom who...

• 1:09:52Speaker 02

  Why does she have so many striped shirts?

• 1:09:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I mean, I, cause I have striped shirts.

• 1:09:56Speaker 02

  I know, but she's like, every shirt is a striped shirt.

• 1:09:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's because that's how Sophia dresses.

• 1:09:59Speaker 02

  I see, right.

• 1:10:00Amanda Dobbins?

  And so she's like, you know, which is...

• 1:10:00Speaker 02

  This is her proxy for herself.

• 1:10:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly.

• 1:10:03Speaker 02

  And her proxy for her relationship with her father.

• 1:10:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  Which is also why she cast Rashida Jones, cause she has a similar...

• 1:10:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes.

• 1:10:11Speaker 02

  Father, daughter, really, or had, R I P Quincy Jones.

• 1:10:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I do think Rashida Jones is a writer.

• 1:10:17Speaker 02

  Oh, she's a hundred percent a writer.

• 1:10:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, she's definitely like spending time in a laptop.

• 1:10:20Speaker 02

  She's working on her novel that she was given in advance for that she needs to turn in.

• 1:10:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, but it's hard because she's a mom.

• 1:10:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:10:27Amanda Dobbins?

  And then her husband is like maybe having an affair. So then she and her dad like have hijinks. But it's kind of like melancholy because it's a Sofia Coppola movie. Yeah. I thought, and then there's a really good Saitwamblie, um, in Bill Murray's apartment.

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  Bill Murray's client's apartment.

• 1:10:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's right. Yes, thank you.

• 1:10:46Speaker 02

  I just watched it yesterday, which is why it's, and this morning, actually.

• 1:10:51Speaker 02

  It's so beautiful, cause it's Sofia Coppola. It's so beautifully shot. Bill Murray, never a bad thing to say about that man. He is a phenomenal actor. He, the face acting he does, and he's so charming. He's so wonderful. The story is okay. It's a little flimsy, but it's okay.

• 1:11:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:09Speaker 02

  I liked that it was like, bringing up the ideas of like, can men ever be faithful? Can, you know, like...

• 1:11:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:11:18Speaker 02

  Can you hold your husband's interest if you have children? And you're like, there's that great dialogue bit about like him saying like, she's like, why did you cheat on mom? And he's like, you know, it explains why. And I, he was wonderful.

• 1:11:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, he's amazing.

• 1:11:32Speaker 02

  Jenny Slate, by the way, also is in this movie, just in like a repeating little like-

• 1:11:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, the drop-off mom.

• 1:11:39Speaker 02

  Drop-off mom.

• 1:11:39Amanda Dobbins?

  It's really funny.

• 1:11:40Speaker 02

  She was wonderful. I just, I like Rashida Jones, but I just, I was like, oh, I wonder if this would have been, I wonder if this could have been a better movie if there was a different actress.

• 1:11:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, with someone holding the center a little more.

• 1:11:53Speaker 02

  But she, I mean, it was so believable. I'm like, you are this like mom who, um, you know, is, was raised probably by this man and has some money and, um, is raising two children and-

• 1:12:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I think that's, it's garbage women in text, but maybe not in, like, in the trappings and the, well, certainly not in the Sofia Coppola of it all.

• 1:12:23Speaker 02

  Maybe like her and the character make it garbage women though, respectfully. It's cause like, she does the thing, which is all the other movies.

• 1:12:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:31Speaker 02

  You are not doing a thing, this character is not doing a thing that makes me root for you or makes me want your husband to still be interested in you. Like, it's not like, oh my God, she's, how could, which, you know, I don't want to spoil it, but whatever, what he does or doesn't do. I'm like, who are you?

• 1:12:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I think because it's 2020, it's like, it, it does not represent the like last three to four years of like big names making like direct to streaming, like slightly half-baked romantic comedy-esque movies, which is like the bread and butter of garbage women and like is an observable trend.

• 1:13:11Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:13:11Amanda Dobbins?

  But I do think it counts.

• 1:13:13Speaker 02

  I think it counts too.

• 1:13:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. The other one, I'm going to be honest, I, I didn't get around to watching it. Did you watch any of Unicorn Store?

• 1:13:18Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:13:20Amanda Dobbins?

  From 2017 starring Brie Larson, who did win an Oscar. I didn't either. We don't know. We won't find out.

• 1:13:24Speaker 02

  We'll never know. It's a mystery.

• 1:13:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I did make a list of some films that are not eligible in this category.

• 1:13:28Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:13:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Julia Roberts for Ticket to Paradise, which despite what you might remember, did play in theaters.

• 1:13:35Speaker 02

  I don't even know that, what that movie is.

• 1:13:36Amanda Dobbins?

  That also stars George Clooney. Oh, it's actually I.

• 1:13:40Speaker 02

  Oh, right.

• 1:13:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm the only one who thought it was fun.

• 1:13:41Speaker 02

  It's like, oh, they're reunited, they're older, and it's a rom com. I didn't.

• 1:13:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:45Speaker 02

  In the style of that Keanu Reeves and Winona Ryder movie.

• 1:13:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, exactly.

• 1:13:48Speaker 02

  I really did like, even though it wasn't good.

• 1:13:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that, were it not, had it not played in theaters.

• 1:13:54Speaker 02

  You wouldn't have seen it.

• 1:13:54Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, no, it would be garbage.

• 1:13:56Speaker 02

  Oh, I see.

• 1:13:56Amanda Dobbins?

  And, and frankly, I really enjoyed it.

• 1:13:58Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:13:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, but, you know, is it Pretty Woman? No, it is not. Okay. Charlize Theron, The Old Guard, which I, uh, this movie I've seen, but there's like some superhero sci fi. Well, I can't remember sci fi elements. I didn't revisit it because I think that, like, action moviness of it makes it a different type of.

• 1:14:19Speaker 02

  I love her, I love her bomb. Oh, is that why also Cameron Diaz's movie wasn't part of this?

• 1:14:23Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it's at the bottom.

• 1:14:24Speaker 02

  Oh, okay.

• 1:14:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Because we can, we can talk about, like, did, did, there is, there's no, like, domestic life stuff in The Old Guard that I recall.

• 1:14:34Speaker 02

  Got it.

• 1:14:34Amanda Dobbins?

  It's more about, like, you know, world building and. I think, like, maybe they're, like, gods or something at the end. I, I, I didn't revisit it, I'm sorry, don't yell at me, everyone, but it's not in. Um, Sandra Bullock for Bird Box.

• 1:14:49Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, it's a horror movie.

• 1:14:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's a horror movie, and I think that's something different.

• 1:14:53Speaker 02

  She can't see. Um. I didn't see it.

• 1:14:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Previously mentioned May, December, Natalie Portman and Julianne Moore. Um, too, like, fancy.

• 1:15:01Speaker 02

  Right, too prestigious.

• 1:15:02Amanda Dobbins?

  And then, um, Viola Davis is in a Netflix movie called G20, which comes out in, like, two weeks. Um, I haven't seen it yet, seems like it could be eligible, but I haven't seen it, so I, I don't know. Okay. I have kind of one that I just called, like, does it star a future Oscar winner? Um, Navigating a Rite of Passage with Heart and Possibly Humor.

• 1:15:21Speaker 02

  Oh.

• 1:15:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, and this is Happy Season, Kristen Stewart.

• 1:15:24Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:15:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Which I do think counts.

• 1:15:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, a rom com.

• 1:15:29Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, which many of these are. And Kristen Stewart does a lot of different types of movies, which I like about her, but she still is Kristen Stewart.

• 1:15:40Speaker 02

  I love her.

• 1:15:41Amanda Dobbins?

  One of the great actors of her generation. Um, and, and also Aubrey Plaza, who's like, kind of the star of this movie.

• 1:15:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:15:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I think it, I think it.

• 1:15:50Speaker 02

  I think it counts.

• 1:15:51Amanda Dobbins?

  It counts. Again, it's like a 2020 movie, and so it was on Hulu. And I don't know where.

• 1:15:58Speaker 02

  Garbage women, holiday garbage.

• 1:16:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, and that's another thing. So like, holiday garbage is a different.

• 1:16:06Speaker 02

  Right. A family affair was also riding the line of holiday garbage and because.

• 1:16:09Amanda Dobbins?

  There's Christmas?

• 1:16:10Speaker 02

  It's set at Christmas. There's a Christmas tree from the beginning and then they go celebrate Christmas with Kathy Bates grandma.

• 1:16:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's right. But it's like California Christmas. So I'm sorry, you're of California experience, so it feels like Christmas to you all of the time, but not for me.

• 1:16:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, so all of the like Netflix Christmas movies.

• 1:16:29Speaker 02

  Don't are disqualified.

• 1:16:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Even though they are, you know.

• 1:16:34Speaker 02

  They are for women.

• 1:16:35Amanda Dobbins?

  They are and and and feature women, but it's like that. It's garbage holiday, as you said, not garbage. So happiest season on on the line. Okay.

• 1:16:45Amanda Dobbins?

  The last four that I have eligible are, I think, all absolutely dynamite. So Kind of Pregnant, we talked about.

• 1:16:51Speaker 02

  Loved.

• 1:16:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but like true garbage women.

• 1:16:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:16:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Irish Wish.

• 1:16:55Speaker 02

  Love Irish Wish.

• 1:16:56Amanda Dobbins?

  So do you feel that it goes in garbage romance or does it work here? I call this category former box office juggernauts.

• 1:17:05Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:17:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Who.

• 1:17:06Speaker 02

  It's so hard because Lindsay Lohan has not been that for so long that she's almost like transitioned into the new category.

• 1:17:12Amanda Dobbins?

  For our generation.

• 1:17:13Speaker 02

  Okay, yes.

• 1:17:14Amanda Dobbins?

  For you and me, here today, the two garbage women making this podcast, Lindsay Lohan is important.

• 1:17:20Speaker 02

  Yeah, I agree.

• 1:17:21Amanda Dobbins?

  So.

• 1:17:22Speaker 02

  And Irish Wish was kind of her comeback.

• 1:17:24Amanda Dobbins?

  And it was like.

• 1:17:25Speaker 02

  My face is beautiful again. I'm back bitch. And in a similar way to Your Place or Mine, I don't remember anything about it, except that I loved it. And I didn't have time to rewatch it, but I did actually really like it.

• 1:17:40Amanda Dobbins?

  And and it also brought other people into the garbage women. You know, it's not. It's not Lonely Planet.

• 1:17:46Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:17:46Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, we were all experiencing it together. So I think that has value.

• 1:17:49Speaker 02

  And they had chemistry, I thought.

• 1:17:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it was good.

• 1:17:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:17:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, Shotgun Wedding, your mom liked.

• 1:17:54Speaker 02

  Oh, Jennifer Lopez and.

• 1:17:56Amanda Dobbins?

  So this is.

• 1:17:57Speaker 02

  What is the man's name? Fergie's ex?

• 1:17:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, Josh Duhamel.

• 1:18:00Speaker 02

  Is that who is it?

• 1:18:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I think so. Um, I definitely watched this movie when it came out. Yes, Josh Duhamel. Uh, and then there's a great, uh, Lenny Kravitz plays a small role.

• 1:18:09Speaker 02

  So Jennifer Lopez qualifies for you because she was in Out of Sight and Selena.

• 1:18:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and Made in Manhattan.

• 1:18:17Speaker 02

  And Made in Manhattan, wonderful movie.

• 1:18:18Amanda Dobbins?

  And The Wedding Planner.

• 1:18:19Speaker 02

  The Wedding Planner, wonderful movie.

• 1:18:20Amanda Dobbins?

  And she's Jennifer Lopez.

• 1:18:21Speaker 02

  And she's J Lo.

• 1:18:22Amanda Dobbins?

  And one of my projects in life.

• 1:18:24Speaker 02

  Is to watch all of her movies?

• 1:18:26Amanda Dobbins?

  No, not just that.

• 1:18:27Speaker 02

  Already got that.

• 1:18:27Amanda Dobbins?

  And also, we're gonna talk about a couple that I haven't seen. No, is to respect Jennifer Lopez and what she has brought to the world of cinema, to the world of music.

• 1:18:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:38Amanda Dobbins?

  To the world of, um, pre-mixed liquor drinks.

• 1:18:42Speaker 02

  Are you Ellie?

• 1:18:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. To the tabloids. She works hard.

• 1:18:46Speaker 02

  She's given us so much.

• 1:18:47Amanda Dobbins?

  She works so hard.

• 1:18:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:18:49Amanda Dobbins?

  You know? So I take her seriously. And I, and she's also a brand name. She's Jennifer Lopez.

• 1:18:56Speaker 02

  She's incredible.

• 1:18:57Amanda Dobbins?

  So there are a few Jennifer Lopez, there are many Jennifer Lopez straight to streaming movies that are not eligible because, to me, they're too, like, action.

• 1:19:06Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:19:07Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, like Atlas, which was recently on Netflix. Um, I think also The Mother. And that, it's, it's sort of like Jennifer Lopez doing Liam Neeson roles and/or sci-fi roles.

• 1:19:23Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:19:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, which...

• 1:19:24Speaker 02

  Oh, she was so good in, what's this, that crazy sci-fi movie with Vincent Gennaro? I fucking love that movie.

• 1:19:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I'm trying to think.

• 1:19:32Speaker 02

  The Cell, The Cell.

• 1:19:34Amanda Dobbins?

  The Cell?

• 1:19:35Speaker 02

  You've never seen The Cell?

• 1:19:36Amanda Dobbins?

  I've never seen The Cell.

• 1:19:37Speaker 02

  Oh, my god.

• 1:19:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, this, oh, this, yes, okay, sorry. One, I thought you were, like, doing, like, The Cell, like-

• 1:19:42Speaker 02

  She has so much range.

• 1:19:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Glenn, like Glenn Ross. But she has so much range and also she's like Jennifer Lopez. Um, but the, so like Atlas and The Mother aren't really on this because they don't, like sci-fi, my, you know, it just goes at garbage sci-fi is its own genre, garbage Liam Neeson is its own thing.

• 1:20:03Speaker 02

  It doesn't contend with women's issues.

• 1:20:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. I'm realizing now that I totally forgot Marry Me, which is her direct-to-peacock streaming video.

• 1:20:10Speaker 02

  Oh, yes. I saw part of that and I believe I bailed.

• 1:20:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Owen Wilson.

• 1:20:15Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:20:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Fun fact, this is the first movie that my son Knox ever saw. He was two days old.

• 1:20:20Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:20:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, and he sat there on the couch with me.

• 1:20:23Speaker 02

  Core memory for him.

• 1:20:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, absolutely.

• 1:20:24Speaker 02

  You shaped his neural-

• 1:20:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Everything that's coming.

• 1:20:26Speaker 02

  Neuroplasticity.

• 1:20:27Amanda Dobbins?

  So I think Marry Me would also be eligible.

• 1:20:30Speaker 02

  I think so, yeah.

• 1:20:31Amanda Dobbins?

  But it's, it's, it's not very good, even though Juliette Lemon will ride for the music in Marry Me, because she's a pop star who's like set up.

• 1:20:38Speaker 02

  She's with, she's married to another or set up with another pop star?

• 1:20:41Amanda Dobbins?

  With Owen Wilson, um, because he, he's holding up a Marry Me sign at one of her concerts.

• 1:20:47Speaker 02

  Before that, she's married to another pop star who cheats on her or something, isn't that?

• 1:20:50Amanda Dobbins?

  I think so, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:20:52Speaker 02

  And then they, then they bring him into her world to be like, wouldn't it be great?

• 1:20:56Amanda Dobbins?

  It's like set up, but then they fall in love, sure. Shotgun Wedding.

• 1:21:03Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't totally, I mean, it's set at a wedding and then I think that like someone's in the mafia. And not in the mafia, but like CIA, oh, they're all taken hostage. That's right, that's right.

• 1:21:15Amanda Dobbins?

  It's very funny. She's really good at it. It's like, you know, a destination wedding, so like a resort location, lots of funny characters.

• 1:21:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, she's kind of doing like screwball comedy.

• 1:21:27Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:21:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Bringing in a little wedding planner. I liked it. It worked. I laughed. Okay, so I think that counts. Final one is Back in Action.

• 1:21:36Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:21:36Amanda Dobbins?

  This is the Cameron Diaz, Jamie Foxx.

• 1:21:39Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, family action comedy.

• 1:21:42Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:21:44Amanda Dobbins?

  It does, it is Jamie Foxx and Cameron Diaz together, so it is like a two-hander, but, and they are like former CIA agents. I think CIA.

• 1:21:54Speaker 02

  I don't know, yeah.

• 1:21:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Who, their cover is exposed and so they have to.

• 1:22:01Speaker 02

  And she's pregnant. She, I just watched this. Well, I didn't, I didn't finish it.

• 1:22:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Like in the past.

• 1:22:07Speaker 02

  Oh, in the past. Oh, I see.

• 1:22:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but like when the movie starts.

• 1:22:09Speaker 02

  Yeah, they're, they're like. Retired from the life because they were having a baby and now they're just normal parents and then their cover is exposed.

• 1:22:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:22:16Speaker 02

  Due to an insane nightclub fight scene, uh, when they go to fetch their daughter.

• 1:22:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:22:22Speaker 02

  Who is 16 and also to be the nightclub.

• 1:22:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, but so.

• 1:22:26Amanda Dobbins?

  It is about both of them, but it's really about can Cameron Diaz be both a mom.

• 1:22:31Speaker 02

  And a spy.

• 1:22:32Amanda Dobbins?

  And a spy and a daughter.

• 1:22:34Speaker 02

  Oh, right.

• 1:22:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Because then there is also her mom issues with Glenn Close, just like doing.

• 1:22:39Speaker 02

  Pretty great.

• 1:22:39Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, Glenn Close will show up for anything at this point and do an accent as well. So in that, since the focus is more on her.

• 1:22:48Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:22:48Amanda Dobbins?

  And it is as much about like, you know, family stuff. And also, the only time I laughed was mid-action fight when Cameron Diaz is just like, look away, honey. You know, or something like that, but does it with perfect comedic timing. But it was like a family laugh instead of a like, action, you know, laugh.

• 1:23:09Speaker 02

  Right, right.

• 1:23:10Amanda Dobbins?

  I think maybe it could count.

• 1:23:11Speaker 02

  I think it could count.

• 1:23:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:23:13Speaker 02

  I watched this with my family.

• 1:23:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm hmm.

• 1:23:15Speaker 02

  I did not, I left.

• 1:23:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:23:17Speaker 02

  They finished it. I don't know what happened at the end. I'm sure it doesn't matter, to be honest. But I do, I saw everything that you're talking about, and I think it counts. Even, especially with the Cameron Diaz-ness of it all, I just, there's.

• 1:23:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:30Speaker 02

  She's really.

• 1:23:31Amanda Dobbins?

  She hasn't been in anything for a while, so, and it is like, like beloved actress who used to be in a type of movie.

• 1:23:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, something about Mary.

• 1:23:41Amanda Dobbins?

  That you went to the movie theaters all the time, emblematic of an age.

• 1:23:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Is like back making something not very good.

• 1:23:48Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:23:48Amanda Dobbins?

  But a star vehicle on a streaming service.

• 1:23:50Speaker 02

  Which I believe was heavily watched.

• 1:23:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:23:53Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:23:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, who knows what people are up to, you know what I'm saying? While they're doing whatever on their phones.

• 1:23:59Speaker 02

  Yeah. I love her. I love Avril Lavigne. Everyone knows that about me. And I think it counts, but I don't hold it against her.

• 1:24:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow. Jack Sanders has been making notes as we go along.

• 1:24:11Speaker 02

  Oh. Screaming, screaming into the void.

• 1:24:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. This is, okay, but, so I'm gonna read them out.

• 1:24:18Speaker 02

  Okay.

• 1:24:18Amanda Dobbins?

  But Jack, I think A Family Affair, You're Cordially Invited, and Your Place in Mine are also in the garbage canon. Lonely Planet, Let Them All Talk, The Idea of You, Bridget Jones Mad About the Boy, On the Rocks, Kind of Pregnant, Marry Me, Shotgun Wedding, and Back in Action.

• 1:24:37Speaker 02

  Did you say happiest season?

• 1:24:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Where did we go on happiest season? Because it was sort of holiday garbage. So maybe not?

• 1:24:44Speaker 02

  I can't, it's so hard to tell, that one.

• 1:24:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, we can put it in, we can do, we're in charge. We can do whatever we want. I say that to Sean all the time. Okay. Now that I've read the list, you, how are you feeling about the garbage women canon? Not as like, not as this exercise, we had a great time, but

• 1:25:02Amanda Dobbins?

  how do you feel about this type of movie? How do you feel about this social experiment that I just put you through?

• 1:25:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, I don't want to do this again.

• 1:25:09Amanda Dobbins?

  You don't?

• 1:25:10Speaker 02

  I loved it with you.

• 1:25:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but you, you won't seek out the next

• 1:25:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Jennifer Lawrence, straight to streaming.

• 1:25:18Speaker 02

  Here's the thing, there's so many good films I haven't seen.

• 1:25:22Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, sure.

• 1:25:23Speaker 02

  And I just wanted to note for the record, I love coming on the big picture, but I just hope I'm not being typecast as the garbage movie expert. Because it does, you guys, I can talk about good movies.

• 1:25:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:35Speaker 02

  I do watch good movies. No, I, listen, it depends, what's the vibe? Is it the holidays? Even if it's not a holiday one, I'll throw it on. That's like a, that's a fast and loose time where we're just lobotomy braining around.

• 1:25:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:25:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, do I need to watch it with my parents? Then yes, I'll watch it.

• 1:25:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:25:53Speaker 02

  But left to my own devices, I'd like to get through some of my unwatched, uh, letter boxed list.

• 1:26:01Amanda Dobbins?

  So you're, you feel you're, you're too high minded. Would you prefer it if the garbage women movies elevated themselves to your letterbox to watch list? Would that, do you want them more prestigey?

• 1:26:14Speaker 02

  I don't think they could be, I think that's, I think you're, this is a, a paradox.

• 1:26:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:26:21Speaker 02

  Like, that's why I pushed so hard against Let Them All Talk.

• 1:26:24Amanda Dobbins?

  All right.

• 1:26:24Speaker 02

  Because I'm like, that is, it's far too good to be a garbage women movie. Like, it, it kind of like catapults itself out of the, of the genre.

• 1:26:34Amanda Dobbins?

  I think you need to free your mind a little. I think, I guess also. So what are you watching when you want to turn your brain off?

• 1:26:42Speaker 02

  Oh, um, Grey's Anatomy.

• 1:26:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:26:45Speaker 02

  I'm like, maybe I'm more of a garbage television watcher.

• 1:26:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. So that's the thing, is that I'm, I'm here trying to find a space in cinema for my garbage tastes.

• 1:26:55Speaker 02

  Got it, got it.

• 1:26:56Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 1:26:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:56Amanda Dobbins?

  And so we have room

• 1:26:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:26:59Amanda Dobbins?

  for all the really good movies.

• 1:27:00Speaker 02

  Well, you know, like, I loved Hot Frosty famously.

• 1:27:03Amanda Dobbins?

  That is in fact why I texted you about this, because I was like, do you watch movies other than Hot Frosty?

• 1:27:08Speaker 02

  But the thing is, Hot Frosty knows what it is.

• 1:27:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:27:11Speaker 02

  I think some of these garbage women movies are trying to, they're trying to pull one over on me.

• 1:27:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:27:17Speaker 02

  They're trying to be like, no, this is good. And I'm like,

• 1:27:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:27:21Speaker 02

  It's not.

• 1:27:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, because they're trying to pull-

• 1:27:22Speaker 02

  Like, A Family Affair works because I think it knows that it's silly.

• 1:27:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes. And it's also, I think it knows that it's trying to do the broadest audience possible.

• 1:27:32Speaker 02

  Whereas like Lonely Planet doesn't know that it's silly.

• 1:27:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Lonely Planet is just one of the most profound achievements of just weirdness that I've ever seen in my entire life. I really love these movies, um, because I don't feel seen very much at the movies.

• 1:27:50Speaker 02

  You don't wish there was more like mom writer, mom that's a writer movie that was maybe more,

• 1:27:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, so-

• 1:27:59Speaker 02

  contending with larger themes?

• 1:28:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Did you happen to see Night Pitch?

• 1:28:02Speaker 02

  I didn't.

• 1:28:03Amanda Dobbins?

  So the Marielle Heller-

• 1:28:04Speaker 02

  I didn't even really like the book.

• 1:28:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Amy Adams movie. Well, I didn't even read the book, so congratulations to you. I did see the movie while on parental leave and typically-

• 1:28:17Speaker 02

  How did you feel about it?

• 1:28:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, so typically I have not been like a Marielle Heller person.

• 1:28:21Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:28:21Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, like, as Sean says, it's sort of like black licorice filmmaking to me. But I did feel that all of this stuff about being a parent to a toddler was like very accurate. Um, and, you know, lived in and came from someone who had both experienced that, but is like, good at filmmaking and knows how to communicate

• 1:28:41Speaker 02

  Right.

• 1:28:41Amanda Dobbins?

  the situations and the feelings, um, in film.

• 1:28:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Sean and I believe it was Rob Mahoney and Joanna did a podcast about it.

• 1:28:50Speaker 02

  I listened to that episode, yeah.

• 1:28:51Amanda Dobbins?

  And Sean was trying to figure out like, why aren't there more movies about this time period in life? And for me, it was like deeply.

• 1:29:00Speaker 02

  Triggering.

• 1:29:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I was just kind of like, I don't want to spend my free time like watching this. You know, I don't want to spend my free time being reminded of the really difficult parts of having a kid. Like, it's very hard and I learn it all the time. I live it a large part of the time anyway. So I think I prefer my mom content in ridiculous.

• 1:29:23Speaker 02

  Right, lighter.

• 1:29:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Situations like Big Little Lies or A Family Affair.

• 1:29:30Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Or, um, I don't know, I guess none of these people are, are, have tiny children. Because I guess Bridget Jones is mad about the boy.

• 1:29:39Speaker 02

  And Bridget Jones, yeah.

• 1:29:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, they're small. And that was funny. So, no, I kind of want absurd. I like, sometimes I want dumb stuff too.

• 1:29:47Speaker 02

  I get it.

• 1:29:48Amanda Dobbins?

  You know?

• 1:29:49Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:29:49Amanda Dobbins?

  That's where I am.

• 1:29:50Speaker 02

  I just told you I watch Grey's Anatomy in 2025. I'm caught up.

• 1:29:53Amanda Dobbins?

  So is Juliette Lippman.

• 1:29:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I love it. Juliette, shout out, my dog, my greatest family. We love that show.

• 1:29:59Amanda Dobbins?

  What's, what's the latest with Meredith?

• 1:30:01Speaker 02

  I don't want to spoil.

• 1:30:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:30:03Speaker 02

  You guys need to watch it. Everyone's like, do you watch The Pit? And I'm like, I should, but I'm busy watching Grey's Anatomy.

• 1:30:08Amanda Dobbins?

  So I wish most of these movies were slightly better, but I also don't want them to be too good.

• 1:30:13Speaker 02

  Yeah, like you want, I think A Family Affair.

• 1:30:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Or Kind of Pregnant.

• 1:30:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, Kind of Pregnant for me is almost out of the, I'm not going to fight it, but it's almost out of the genre too, because it's so funny that it's just a basic good comedy.

• 1:30:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 1:30:27Speaker 02

  Whereas like, I guess if you're a man who doesn't care about any woman's interiority or lives, you can't watch this and good luck to you in life. But like, to me, it's like, it's just a broad comedy. Like, anyone should be able to watch this and enjoy and laugh.

• 1:30:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. Well, I would like that.

• 1:30:43Speaker 02

  Feminism, do you see that one?

• 1:30:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, there you go. That was beautiful. I would like that for all of them.

• 1:30:46Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:30:47Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, except for maybe.

• 1:30:47Speaker 02

  No, but that's not.

• 1:30:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Except for maybe Lonely Planet. Like, every once in a while, I need something like really random. Like, just, you know, an absolute god-tier level actress taking on like the worst script to be able to go.

• 1:31:02Speaker 02

  To go to Marrakesh.

• 1:31:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:03Speaker 02

  And, and be with Liam Hemsworth.

• 1:31:05Amanda Dobbins?

  There is something exhilarating about that.

• 1:31:07Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:31:07Amanda Dobbins?

  So I hope Netflix keeps writing those checks.

• 1:31:09Speaker 02

  Again, that one tried to be high-minded. I think that was the hard part for me where it was like.

• 1:31:14Amanda Dobbins?

  It was, there was like some financial systems critiques in there.

• 1:31:17Speaker 02

  There's the theory and then like, oh, this is what I apply to my life.

• 1:31:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:22Speaker 02

  But yeah, I'm, listen, I don't want to shit on this. I'm a feminist sometimes.

• 1:31:26Amanda Dobbins?

  It is our month, so we need to end on a spirit of positivity.

• 1:31:30Speaker 02

  Yes.

• 1:31:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you for watching all of these movies. As I, I think we've learned that you don't seek them out on your own.

• 1:31:36Speaker 02

  I was gonna say it was my pleasure, but that would be lying, but I was happy to be here with you.

• 1:31:40Amanda Dobbins?

  That's solidarity, you know, that's women supporting women.

• 1:31:42Speaker 02

  That's, that's right.

• 1:31:43Amanda Dobbins?

  So I really, I appreciate you. Thank you, Yasi.

• 1:31:45Speaker 02

  Mama stay.

• 1:31:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, thank you to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Thank you to our producer, Robbie Wagner. Thank you to powerful women everywhere. Next week on the show, Jack Sanders, I can't see you. But next week you'll be able to, he's gonna make his on-camera debut. I will be speaking to the next generation about how they watch movies. See you then.