EP #15 The Importance of Sleep for Creatives w/ Steve Aoki

In this episode, Steve and Peter discuss Aoki’s crazy touring schedule, the importance of preventive medicine, and the power of sleep. You will learn about: 05:43 | Steve Aoki’s in-depth analysis of his brain 12:32 | Why sleep is so important 24:35 | Can a cold plunge truly benefit your overall health? Steve Aoki is a world-renowned artist, DJ, producer, and futurist. He is a grammy-nominated label executive known for his high-impact, experiential performances, NFT collections, and love for technology. _____________ Resources Learn about Steve’s Foundation Take a look at Steve’s Metaverse Levels: Real-time feedback on how diet impacts your health. levels.link/peter Consider a journey to optimize your body with LifeForce. Learn more about Abundance360. Read the Tech Blog. Learn more about Moonshots & Mindsets. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 0:02Speaker 00

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• 0:30Speaker 01

  That's the thing that I've learned through all this is like as my journey and my like learning into, you know, how to live a healthier, longer, optimal life is like the main, the main principles that I've, that I've learned are, you know, extreme cold exposure, extreme heat exposure, and, and fasting. And I'm just trying to do those in a regular way whenever I can.

• 0:59Peter Diamandis?

  And a massive transform to purpose is what you're telling the world. It's like, this is who I am, this is what I'm gonna do, this is the dent I'm gonna make in the universe.

• 1:11Peter Diamandis?

  Steve Aoki, hey buddy, good to see ya.

• 1:13Speaker 01

  Hey, what's up?

• 1:15Peter Diamandis?

  Uh, where are you this morning or afternoon, as the case may be?

• 1:19Speaker 01

  Las Vegas, back home.

• 1:20Peter Diamandis?

  Nice.

• 1:21Speaker 01

  I'm just, it's, it's, it's like, you know, I always look at my house, most people look at their home as their home. I look at it, it's like, this is like my vacation, cause like my home is the road, you know, it's...

• 1:33Peter Diamandis?

  I hear you, I hear you. And for a man, how many days on the road do you typically spend? I mean, you set, I think you set a Guinness Book World Record for the most number of shows in a year.

• 1:44Speaker 01

  Yeah, most traveled musician on the planet.

• 1:47Peter Diamandis?

  Amazing.

• 1:47Speaker 01

  In one calendar year. But um, it's, I'm, I'm definitely making efforts to slow down. I don't, I don't need to hold this title. You know, like, it's not a title that's exciting to hold. It's like, it is like, I, you know, I, I do find myself like, proud of this, you know, and when I hear about like, oh, yeah, Aoki's the hardest working artist out there, but it's, I mean, then, then I have the, uh, the issues of sleep, my low REM numbers, which like astonished me, stuff like that.

• 2:18Peter Diamandis?

  And we're gonna get to that. Everybody, I'm here on Moonshots and Mindsets with my friend Steve Aoki, Grammy nominated, Billboard topping artist, renowned DJ, philanthropist, fashion designer, author, futurist, surfer and founder, uh, and like you said, Guinness Book of World Record for the most traveled musician in a single year. Uh, yeah, man, that's cool. Uh, so, welcome home. I hope you get to stay there for a couple of days.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  I do. I'm excited about this week.

• 2:48Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, and, and it's funny, right? Um, I mean, COVID was a relief for a lot of people. I mean, I'm a road warrior, not at your level, but it was addicting to be home for it during COVID for a little bit.

• 3:00Speaker 01

  Oh, my God, I totally agree. I mean, like, the first, the first part of COVID was tough, the adjustment, but once I settled in, once like, like, it's, once you tell your brain like, yo, this is how it's gonna be, instead of like, like, you know, but when you're like, there's no more FOMO because there's, no one's out. When you like, take away the FOMO element, you're like, oh, this is, this is life, settle in, like, you know, figure out what, what you're gonna do. That, that's when, that's when it became like a lot of fun. I, I love being home.

• 3:31Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, I mean, you know, my heart goes out to people who, you know, lost family and got sick and lost jobs and all of that, but,

• 3:37Speaker 01

  Yes, yeah.

• 3:37Peter Diamandis?

  But, but, you know, those two years, I think a lot of folks are gonna look back, uh, with this nostalgia of like, it was great not to get on an airplane or, or go to meetings and just hang out with family and friends.

• 3:53Speaker 01

  That's, that's the main thing is hanging out with family and friends. Like, it's, uh, I, I, I, I remember I said this on a mic on, uh, to a crowd, right when COVID broke and I was playing shows again, I'm like, you know, COVID was all about spending times with people that you really know really well. Like, that's your tight circle. You see them, you, you grow like even a tighter bond, which is something I'll never forget, like swimming with my mom and my sister, like, Twelve at night and we're like, well, we probably will never do this again. We, we might, but like these, these are moments we, we have to embrace this stuff and like, we're kind of like holding each other like crying in our, like in this moment of just amazing time with, you know, spending with your family.

• 4:37Speaker 01

  And then I, I remember I was talking about this on the mic, just like all heartfelt and like, I, I miss that, but it's, it's interesting because like when I'm on stage, I miss this and it, the whole point of me being obsessed with being on stage is because I want to be around people that I don't know.

• 4:55Peter Diamandis?

  Pumped them full of energy, right?

• 4:57Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. And like, I, I think it's like, I'm like, we go out here, we go to these shows. I never make speeches at shows, but I'm like, we go out here, we go to these shows to be around people we don't know. We're like, this is like part of who we are as humans is that we, we like want to be around people we don't know in large gatherings. Like it, that's what's exciting and we've been missing this for, for, you know, over a year. And um, th- this is why you can never take away festivals and shows like, cause just part of like our brain makeup is like, we need that.

• 5:34Peter Diamandis?

  Oh, absolutely. There's, there's a, a, a need to be in community and a need to be in your crowd and, you know, um, for those who don't know, you and I met uh, through your foundation, uh, which is focused on, on brain related matters and I, you, you very kindly invited me to be a, a keynote at your foundation event. Uh, along with David Sinclair and, and some other amazing people and it was great. And, and you know, we're kindred spirits, uh, different in, in many ways and a hundred percent kindred in, in, in others. And so, uh, we've connected on longevity and on health and on brain science. And, uh, I guess you just did some, uh, some brain related imaging and reports. What, what's up?

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. No, it's a, I, I, uh, went to Orange County and I met up with Dr. Amen.

• 6:27Peter Diamandis?

  Oh, great. Yes. Dr. Amen's awesome.

• 6:29Speaker 01

  And, yeah, and like, I, you know, I've done a, a brain MRI before because I was, I just wanted to make sure the brain was looking good. This is like 10 years ago. Uh, but I did a different, it wasn't an MRI. I, I laid back and he, um, you, you inject some isotopes. I, I guess they are radioactive, but they're not, you know, they're not bad, you know? Or like, it's a small, minute amount. So you inject some isotopes into your bloodstream that, that, that cling on to your, your brain somehow. Um, I'm probably messing this whole thing up, but, and, and then you lay back like you're going into MRI and there's these little cameras around. The, uh, this machine. So it's not like MRI, it's not like you're going in this crazy thing with a crazy da, da, da, da, you know, sounds.

• 7:13Speaker 01

  And you just lay back and you, they, they took pictures.

• 7:17Peter Diamandis?

  And I think they're, they're looking at like blood flow in your brain, right?

• 7:22Speaker 01

  Right. Okay.

• 7:23Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah. And it's like your brain, when you go and get an MRI, and I've, I've done this through Fountain Life and through, uh, HLI a number of times. Um, I think we connected your mom to one of those centers, right?

• 7:34Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 7:35Peter Diamandis?

  Is she going down? Yeah. Uh, when you go, you, you go and you typically get an imaging of your brain. It's a static image, meaning it's like, it's just looking at the structure, like what's the volume of each part and is there any, you know, anything too big or too small in there. But what's really interesting is your brain uses a ridiculous amount of oxygen and, and glucose and energy. And so the real interesting is like your blood brain flow and, and your brain regulates where the blood goes. Depending upon its function. So I, I think Dr. Amen was looking at, at that. So how did, how'd it go? Did you get a good report card?

• 8:14Speaker 01

  I, yeah. So I got a report card that I've never seen before, which is that, that's what's so exciting. You know, um, I, you know, I think one of the cool things is you see like a healthy brain. And I mean, I did, I did the scan and I went like, you know, 30 minutes later, I sat with, uh, Dr. Amen and, or about an hour later, and we showed my brain and a healthy brain. And what was cool is like the like the top layer was was, you know, look, look pretty good. There was a little valley dent in in my prefrontal.

• 8:46Peter Diamandis?

  Mm hmm.

• 8:46Speaker 01

  It's like right here. So um, they like he attributed to that to potential like concussions, like hitting on the back of my head, which I've I've done from major spills, snowboarding and like extreme sports since I was a kid.

• 8:59Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 8:59Speaker 01

  Which is actually quite interesting because like a lot of these like injuries I I did or had were from ten, twenty, thirty years ago. And there's and you can still see that there is like the brain's like sloshed forward and created this this dent right here. Um, and he's like, okay, that's something to focus on. And then he he flipped flipped the brain upside down. They got to see the underlying part of the brain, which is that was really cool.

• 9:25Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 9:26Speaker 01

  And um, and and you, when you flip it up, you have these lobes that that they kind of they kind of pop up like almost like a helmet with like around your ears.

• 9:35Peter Diamandis?

  Sure.

• 9:35Speaker 01

  And and uh, and he was saying those are the temporal lobes, and they looked mangled. They were just deformed and they're just like.

• 9:43Peter Diamandis?

  Wow.

• 9:45Speaker 01

  And they showed a healthy brain and and my brain, my temporal lobes were just like kind of like all just destroyed. And and and um, and then he he was saying that he's attributed to some sort of like uh, uh, emotional traumas um, and things like that. And and then I also did neurofeedback at the same time of do of seeing Dr. Amen.

• 10:09Peter Diamandis?

  Mm hmm.

• 10:09Speaker 01

  And the neurofeedback reports, when I put when I do the brain map scan, uh, shows I have I have uh, issues in memory and in my tinnitus, like my.

• 10:23Peter Diamandis?

  Interesting.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  Loud hearing.

• 10:24Peter Diamandis?

  And.

• 10:25Speaker 01

  I think attributed into the temporal lobe area. So that that does have a. An alignment there.

• 10:31Peter Diamandis?

  I mean, obviously, you abuse yourself from an auditory standpoint. I mean, in terms of the amount of energy that's going into your your eardrums every every night that you perform, and since you're the highest performing artist out there. I mean, it's probably not as bad as being, you know, on stage in the midst of a of a of a rock concert, but maybe it is. I don't know.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, I like right now in in our conversation, I hear ringing.

• 11:00Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 11:01Speaker 01

  It's just constant ringing, permanent ringing, that I have to deal with for the rest of my life, because there's no cure for tinnitus.

• 11:08Peter Diamandis?

  Yet.

• 11:09Speaker 01

  And I just I just live with it, you know, I'm I've been living with it since 2007. So it's um, it just gets louder and louder as I destroy more and more of my hearing. But so I, you know, I wear earplugs pretty consistently now, but um.

• 11:25Peter Diamandis?

  I mean, it's interesting, right? A lot of us are naive about what's going on inside our bodies. We really don't know. I mean, and what's amazing, and I talk about this a lot, is that our bodies are really great at compensating for problems. And when you finally feel a problem, like if you have cancer, God forbid you don't, you know, you don't find out about it at stage zero, or stage one, or stage two. It's like stage three or four that you finally have some issues or problems. You go to the doctor at that point. So I mean, that's a lot of why, you know, the kind of imaging that's becoming possible now, MRI and CT and a whole bunch of other imaging modalities that look allow you to

• 12:08Peter Diamandis?

  look every year at your body, allow you to track what's going on in a preventative fashion instead of a reactive fashion. Hey, thanks for listening to Moonshots and Mindsets. I want to take a second and tell you about a company that I love. It's called Levels, and it helps me be responsible for the food that I eat, what I bring into my body. See, we were never designed as humans to eat as much sugar as we do, and sugar is not good for your brain, or your heart, or your body in general. Levels helps me monitor the impact.

• 12:39Speaker 01

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• 13:03Peter Diamandis?

  I mean, one of the things I know you and I have talked about a bunch is the whole issue of sleep.

• 13:07Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 13:08Peter Diamandis?

  And how would you describe your sleep, my friend? I mean, you're, you're, you're on a unusual sleep cycle, to say the least.

• 13:18Speaker 01

  Absolutely irregular, absolutely irregular. And that's, I know, that's like part of, you know, the, the main points of longevity is, is finding a really good, regular, you know, schedule on all the things that you do to maintain health, right? And I, and I get that, you know, but, and I try to do that with everything else in my life, but it's, it's nearly impossible if I was to, unless I quit touring, you know, and I'm not going to do that. So it's like the one, as much as I, I am into anti-aging and biohacking and trying to figure out all the different things to, you know,

• 13:58Speaker 01

  optimize my life and live, you know, live a healthy, long, lot, long, long life. The touring is, is probably the worst part of all of it. Because, you know, when I'm at home, I'll, you know, I'll go to bed at a very regular time.

• 14:15Peter Diamandis?

  What time would you go to bed if you were, like this week? Or next two weeks when you're home? What is your, what is your ideal pattern fall into?

• 14:24Speaker 01

  I'll probably go to bed at one or two.

• 14:28Peter Diamandis?

  That's, that's AM, just to be clear.

• 14:32Speaker 01

  That's one or two AM, but, but when I'm playing shows, I'm going to bed at four or five.

• 14:38Peter Diamandis?

  Wow.

• 14:38Speaker 01

  And, and, and I'm not a napper. Only when I'm on a plane, only when I'm in modes of transportation do I nap.

• 14:46Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, the vibration and the lower oxygen level can can knock you out. And so the other side of the question is, when do you wake up?

• 14:53Speaker 01

  Well, see, the problem is when I'm touring, I have to get up for these early flights. And that's when I'm like, for this weekend, to give you an example, you know, from Mexico City to Vegas, Vegas to Edmonton, Canada, Ca- Canada, back to Vegas on Sunday, I I got a total amount of maybe six hours. You know, sleep for those, for that run of

• 15:14Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  Of three days, so.

• 15:16Peter Diamandis?

  Wait, six hours for the total of three days or per day?

• 15:21Speaker 01

  No, no, total for for all three days.

• 15:23Peter Diamandis?

  Oh, my God, that's insane.

• 15:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, like, not accounting the naps

• 15:27Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 15:28Speaker 01

  because they do count, but I don't want to count them, so I could be real with my numbers as as conservative as possible. But, um, you know, it's interesting because if you don't really do the diagnostic checks on and on on your performance level. Because I I used to just run like that. I used to do my shows consistently, like, you know, if I've, one point I was doing 300 shows a year. And I was doing those runs where I'm doing like two to four hours a night asleep. For, you know, weeks on end, weeks and weeks and weeks on end. And I never diagnostic checked my shows, but I was, I really diagnostic check as much as I can nowadays, right?

• 16:11Speaker 01

  And I got my my third show in Edmonton. I was like, I I was like forgetting some of the lyrics that are like songs that are very, very like, I'm like, why? Like, clearly it's because I'm not sleeping, or I was like, like, I was like, wait, make some noise?

• 16:30Speaker 01

  You know, like, I was like, wow, not like so fluid. And, you know, but it's interesting how like the brain does. Like, you think you're good, but you're not.

• 16:41Peter Diamandis?

  Ladies and gentlemen, this is not what you want to do at home. Um, so you you recently met up with a friend of mine, Matt Walker. Um, I introduced Steve to to Matt at one of my abundance platinum events and and, you know, he is, he is the god of sleep. He wrote an amazing book, Why We Sleep. Um, and. Uh, what did he tell you?

• 17:07Speaker 01

  Yeah, so.

• 17:08Peter Diamandis?

  I mean, you're, you're, you're like.

• 17:09Speaker 01

  Really?

• 17:09Peter Diamandis?

  You're like the Antichrist to sleep.

• 17:13Speaker 01

  It's why it's a perfect pairing. Peter, you like, as a God said, no joke, and I'm so grateful.

• 17:19Peter Diamandis?

  My pleasure.

• 17:19Speaker 01

  For the introduction. Thank you for that. Um, and I, I'm always, you know, especially what things I'm really deficient in. I'm always looking for the experts of those areas.

• 17:29Peter Diamandis?

  Sure.

• 17:29Speaker 01

  Matt is, he is the god of sleep.

• 17:32Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 17:33Speaker 01

  He's been really extremely helpful, um, and attentive to my aura data. So, uh, we, we, we get on the call like, you know, like once a week, we text quite frequently now. And he's always checking my data and he's, the, the things he's, he's told me is, is, it's like, it's funny to say, but it's really alarming. Like, I've never seen so low REM sleep ever. That's what he said. He's like, if I was to tell this to a close family or friend of mine, I would tell them they need to make an extreme change in their life.

• 18:08Peter Diamandis?

  Oh, my God.

• 18:08Speaker 01

  And, um, I'm like, God, if you're telling me this, um, and I've been living this way for decades. You know, I mean, I'm, I'm like in a bad, I mean, I'm laughing because it's so, so like messed up. But, uh, but now I'm making changes. So I'm, that's why I'm laughing.

• 18:26Peter Diamandis?

  Okay, all right. Let's, let's talk, let's talk about that. What changes are you making? Because, you know, I mean, when Matt Walker talks about reduced sleep, he's like, if you're sleeping six and a half hours a day, that's not enough.

• 18:40Peter Diamandis?

  Not six and a half hours over three days.

• 18:43Speaker 01

  Oh, well, I got, I gotta like, I just, I just gotta read you like one of the lines he's.

• 18:47Peter Diamandis?

  Please.

• 18:48Speaker 01

  You know, I'm sure.

• 18:49Peter Diamandis?

  This is meant to be, this is meant to incentivize everybody listening. Uh, that sleep is, sleep is your superpower. I mean, I, I, when I was in medical school, I used to like. You know, five and a half hours sleep was what I would optimize for. And of course, that's that's not healthy. And I do, I shoot for eight hours now, and I'm really pissed if I get if I get seven, so.

• 19:09Speaker 01

  Well, he did tell me like, and I love this analogy. I think it's brilliant because it makes me look asleep differently. But he's like, in the, in the movie Limitless, that limitless drug.

• 19:19Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 19:19Speaker 01

  Where you're just like, like, you could do everything.

• 19:22Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 19:22Speaker 01

  Your brain's just like firing.

• 19:24Peter Diamandis?

  I love that movie. Love it.

• 19:25Speaker 01

  Yeah. He's like, the limitless drug that we can all take is more sleep. I'm like, oh, my God, because we all, I want to take this drug. It's like, just get more sleep. Just get more REM, you know? And I'm like, oh, like, I love thinking of it like that, then I, I actually would start doing it. But anyways, he's he said.

• 19:48Peter Diamandis?

  What'd he say?

• 19:48Speaker 01

  Let's see, just on the REM, because like, this is what my main, main focus is. I have good deep sleep for my ordering, but my REM is just piss poor. Uh, this is some of the lowest amount of REM sleep I've seen in an individual consistently over time. We usually only see this in people who are heavy alcoholics, since alcohol blocks REM. Though I know this is not you, of course, because I don't, I don't drink. So, uh, the reason you don't get REM is that you are only sleeping four and a half hours a night, and therefore never give your brain a chance of getting REM sleep. So that's like my focus, since he's, since he told me this a few weeks ago. And, um, and he put me on, or he told me to, to take this, uh, this, this, uh, this med, trazodone.

• 20:34Speaker 01

  So I've been doing that nightly, about 50 milligrams of trazodone. And, um, it, it's not consistent, I'll be honest. Um, first time I took it, I got an hour of REM, which is astonishingly high for me. Which is not high enough, um, as you know, Peter. Um, I usually get like 20 or 30 minutes of REM, even at an eight hour full horizontal sleep.

• 20:58Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 20:58Speaker 01

  So it's, it was good, just to get, just to break the 60 minute, but um, I, I still, I still need to figure out why my brain wakes up out of REM to not allow me to get two hours or whatever, what the, the, the usual dosage is. So I'm figuring that out. I'm still not there yet, but I had a healthy amount of sleep last night. Took 100 milligrams of trazodone last night. And I, and, um, went to bed like at two. And, and I, you know, after like those two, two to three hour windows of sleep over the weekend and I woke up at literally 12:30.

• 21:36Peter Diamandis?

  In the afternoon.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 21:38Peter Diamandis?

  Awesome.

• 21:39Speaker 01

  So I slept incredibly long.

• 21:41Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah.

• 21:42Speaker 01

  Um, but still 30 minutes of REM sleep with all that sleep.

• 21:45Peter Diamandis?

  Huh.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  30 minutes.

• 21:47Peter Diamandis?

  Well, for, for Christmas, I want to buy you some REM sleep.

• 21:51Speaker 01

  Oh my God, I would, this would be the best.

• 21:55Speaker 01

  Oh my God, I desperately need more REM.

• 21:57Peter Diamandis?

  Oh my God. Hey everybody, I hope you're enjoying this episode. I'll tell you about something I've been doing for years. Every quarter or so, having a phlebotomist come to my home to draw bloods to understand what's going on inside my body. And it was a challenge to get all the right blood draws and all the right tests done. So I ended up co-founding a company that sends a phlebotomist to my home to measure 40 different biomarkers every quarter. Put them up on a dashboard so I can see what's in range, what's out of range, and then get the right supplements, medicines, peptides, hormones to optimize my health. It's something that I want for all my friends and family and I'd love it for you. If you're interested, go to mylifeforest.com backslash Peter to learn more.

• 22:41Peter Diamandis?

  Let's get back to the episode. So, I mean, the other thing that you have to deal with, uh, and I just dealt with this guy was back and forth to Europe twice and to the Middle East is the whole area of jet lag, right? I mean, that must screw with you as, as well. So how, how do you deal with jet lag?

• 23:02Speaker 01

  Um, I deal with it like it's, it's never, it's never, I've never hacked it. I've never hacked.

• 23:07Peter Diamandis?

  I mean, is your brain just so screwed up in terms of not sleeping that it doesn't really matter?

• 23:12Speaker 01

  I think my REM has probably been like, it's at this really, in a really bad position. Maybe my brain doesn't allow myself. I never checked my aura data before I used to travel. I never had aura back then, so.

• 23:24Peter Diamandis?

  Aura power.

• 23:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. It's interesting though, when I travel to, like, let's say I travel to Japan, like if I go, if I go, I guess, east, right? Or east, west, west.

• 23:38Peter Diamandis?

  Yes.

• 23:38Speaker 01

  I'm in Nevada. Uh, when I go to Japan.

• 23:43Speaker 01

  Like three days, I'm good. Three days, I'm good. When I come back, it's like, actually, no, when I go to Japan, it's like six days, I'm bad. But I come back, it's like three days, I'm good. Three days, I'm normal. So it's interesting when you go, when I go back to my time zone, it's a lot easier. When I go there, it's like twice as long. I, I don't understand.

• 24:04Peter Diamandis?

  Interesting. Usually, usually people do better when they go west. In fact, when you're, when you're looking at, uh, like I was on this ship called the World Ship that would travel around the world. And it would always be moving east to west because it's, um, you're, you're gaining time in that regard versus, versus losing it. But anyway, pal, I, I mean, the, the single most important thing for all of us i- in the world of sleep is prioritizing it. And I think for me, the biggest lesson, and there's a whole bunch of hacks and I put out, you know, uh, sort of summaries, but Matt Walker's book is, is still Why We Sleep is the best, but, um,

• 24:45Peter Diamandis?

  it's prioritizing sleep and when you go to sleep, which is really hard for you. I mean, it's like, I'm in bed at, if I can, if I have any control, I'm in bed at nine thirty. And I hope to be asleep by ten. Uh, because I, my brain wakes up in the morning at, at five thirty or six. So the only way for me to get eight hours is that way.

• 25:03Speaker 01

  That's great. Yeah.

• 25:04Peter Diamandis?

  You do cold plunges. Does that help you at all?

• 25:06Speaker 01

  Yeah. I mean, I think that like, I don't know if it's really helped me on my REM. But on overall performance and it's excitement for life, just on that principle alone, I, I do it. I, I leave a cold plunge. I always say like, whenever I onboard new, new members of the cold plunge, Extreme Cold Exposure, uh, membership club that I have here at my house. Uh, um, and I love introducing this to like, you know, very, very scared friends of mine. Uh, I'm like, you literally leave

• 25:45Speaker 01

  the water a brand new you. Like it's a different you. If you're prepared for that, join me into this new exclusive membership club, the Extreme Cold Exposure Club.

• 25:56Peter Diamandis?

  So describe for people what, how long do you do a cold plunge for? Is it like an isolated bath? Would, talk to me about cold plunges one second.

• 26:05Speaker 01

  So I'm obsessed with with cold plunge. I I I got really into it through Wim Hof method and I started working with some of his uh his students or whatever in different parts of the world. I we would just fill up baths in the hotel room and do breath work and and all that good stuff. So I I got my own here and I went with Laird Hamilton. I did his his house with him and Gabby and and was inspired. Got his same unit. So I have I got one here. Uh it's a solo tub. You just sit in it and fill with ice. I got two of those because I had so many friends coming over. And then I got a third one because I was the guy onboarding so many people

• 26:43Speaker 01

  to the ice exposure. And then I was like, you know what? I need to do one better. So I turned my water feature in my house, which is holds probably at least 15 people. It's like a jacuzzi so big. And I just put a chiller on there and I and I just turned into another extreme.

• 27:02Peter Diamandis?

  A group cold plunge.

• 27:03Speaker 01

  Thirty six.

• 27:04Peter Diamandis?

  I mean, normally it's the

• 27:05Speaker 01

  Thirty six degrees.

• 27:06Peter Diamandis?

  Maybe normally it's the jacuzzi that everybody's jumping into here.

• 27:09Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah. So I get like the jacuzzi is actually not even warm. I don't even heat up the jacuzzi because I don't even use it. So uh I have my water feature that that now we I, you know, we bring in like six people or whoever I'm like whoever I can onboard. And we sit in there for four to five minutes. Um I don't know at what stage is a diminishing returns effect, but

• 27:30Peter Diamandis?

  How what's the longest? What's the longest you've ever been in a cold plunge? Do you know?

• 27:34Speaker 01

  You know, interestingly enough, as much as I do it and I, you know, I was doing it like daily during COVID and I do like three times a week, you know, when I'm home. Um I only I've never broke 10 minutes. I always do like nine minutes and I'm out, you know, I know I don't like turn it into like this, this, this like marathon, like how long can I go? I just, you know, I mean, my niece, I remember her. She's when she was 19 during COVID, we would do as a family, right? So we get my whole family together and do it. And and the first, the first time she did it, she couldn't last 30 seconds. And then by the 10th time, she wanted to beat my security who was staying with me that he's a Navy SEALs. Uh you know, he just, he was in the Navy SEALs.

• 28:15Speaker 01

  He did 45 minutes for whatever reason. Why? I don't know why. And she was so angry. She's like, I'm gonna beat him like. Natalie, please do not do anything to endanger your health. I don't want to see you like have hyperthermia. Just don't do it. And the next day, she's like, I beat him forty five minutes and thirty seconds in the in the cold plunge. I'm like, this is, I can't believe it.

• 28:40Peter Diamandis?

  Yeah, I've been the longest I've done it probably is like three minutes. But when I remember doing it was going underwater and holding my breath, you know, just to complete emergent immersion for sixty seconds of that. And it is, I hate cold. I hate cold. It's like, I hate it. But you're absolutely right, man. It is, you come out of that feeling so energized, so revitalized, that it's, it's awesome. It's a it's a you just like, woo hoo. It's extraordinary.

• 29:13Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's all it's it's always the worst before. Like, like, there's no greater fear and feeling than before you even touch the water. And then the second biggest fear is in the first minute, because your your brain is just going haywire, like, oh, my God, what's going on? Like, you gotta get out, like, blah, blah, blah, heart rate goes up, everything goes crazy. And then you think you're gonna die. And and you just have to tell yourself to calm down through that minute of pain and torture. And then boom, that thermal layer of heat goes over your chest. You're like, whoa, I'm not cold in the areas that that are protected. Your fingers start getting cold, and you just

• 29:54Speaker 01

  have to deal with that. But and then you're like, wow, four minutes goes by pretty quick. And then, and then, and then you're just a brand new you and ready to take on the world.

• 30:03Peter Diamandis?

  You are. And as David Sinclair and many others will tell you, that cold plunge just activates so many, so many.

• 30:17Peter Diamandis?

  You know, genes that are that that are revitalizing for you because when the body's in extremis, it shuts down a lot of the lazy protocols and just gets you focused on on performance. You know, there's heat shock proteins that get activated in a in a in a sauna. And one of the things I love doing at my my friend's home, I don't have the situation here, is we'll go, you know, in the sauna for like 30 minutes and then cold plunge and then in the sauna and cold plunge, just going back and forth. I feel like I'm gonna crack on that.

• 30:52Speaker 01

  Yeah, I love that. I love that. That's the thing that I've learned through all this is like, as my my journey and my like, learning into, you know, how to live a healthier, longer, optimal life is like, the main, the main principles that I've that I've learned are, you know, extreme cold exposure, extreme heat exposure, and and fasting. And I'm just trying to do those in a regular way whenever I can. And and I I definitely feel more optimal.

• 31:25Peter Diamandis?

  And sleep.

• 31:26Speaker 01

  And sleep, which I'm, I need to put that in the fourth. Yes, I need to put that in the fourth. I always see those three and I'm like, God, sleep is so important. And I'm not, I am getting it, but I'm not getting enough of REM, and I'm gonna figure that out.

• 31:39Peter Diamandis?

  Steve, listen, thank you, my friend, for your your unbridled enthusiasm and and purpose and passion. And excited to be doing things with you. Excited to have you join us at A360 in March. Excited for helping spread the gospel of of brain science and health through your foundation. And excited for the REM sleep I'm gonna gift you.

• 32:07Speaker 01

  Please. Thank you, Peter. I love to talk with you.

• 32:12Peter Diamandis?

  All right, brother. Be well. Have a beautiful day.

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