NFL Draft night from Detroit: Special guests, stories & reactions with Dan Orlovsky talking Caleb Williams, Jayden Daniels, Rome Odunze, Michael Pennix Jr and Malik Nabers + Dallas Turner stop by

Live from the NFL Draft in Detroit...watch with your favorite guys as we get into all the draft picks, stories and hear from the guys themselves after they get selected! Ryan, Channing and Fred are in Detroit with real time reactions to NFL draft night, stories and special guests. Dan Orlovsky joins the guys for the first few picks, talking Quarterbacks from Caleb Williams to Jayden Daniels to the surprise pick in Atlanta of Michael Pennix as the guys reflect on their own careers and families through playing in the NFL to now. Special guests stop by right after being drafted with personal conversations with Malik Nabers and Dallas Turner that really speak to their journeys and relationships with mentors. Hang with the guys in Detroit and catch all the action in real time and true reactions as the picks get announced! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:00Ryan Clark?

  Fellas, it's the 2024 NFL Draft. And you think about how things are different. Last year, we are at the NFL Draft, and we get an opportunity catching guys coming off the stage. This time, man, we're in Sullivan's here in the Westin, in Detroit. We're gonna sit around, chop it up. Dan Orlovsky is gonna come through. Marcus Spears, we're gonna get some athletes later on. Freddie T, Channing, I'm RC. Welcome to the Pivot. It's a different show for us today. It's gonna be, not necessarily a live stream, but it's gonna be us watching the show, chopping it up. Chan, we've had, you know, three of these guys on the show already. It's expected to be a crazy day. Trades, people dropping back.

• 1:44Ryan Clark?

  Maybe five to six quarterbacks in the first 15 picks. What are you excited about with this draft?

• 1:49Channing Crowder?

  You hit it on the head, bro. These quarterbacks. Because we know, I hate, I hate...

• 1:54Fred Taylor?

  That with football now, you gotta have that guy. You have to have that guy. Patrick Mahomes setting the standard. We're talking about the Lamar Jacksons, Josh Allen. We talked about him all the time on this show. You've gotta have that guy. Who's gonna find that guy? Is it Michael Pennix? Cause he gonna go later. I really do believe Caleb Williams that we already talked to on the show. Jayden Daniels, I think that's the first two. Like them boys could play.

• 2:16Ryan Clark?

  But after that, it could be anything.

• 2:17Fred Taylor?

  Drake May. Who's gonna go next? Like those next guys, Bo Nix, who's gonna go next? I really do, and I hate. I would love to talk about Dallas Turner. I played against him and I coached against him in high school. Down in South Florida. They have some dogs on defense. They have some dogs. Marvin Harrison Jr. They got some dogs out there, but the quarterbacks, that's what it's about. If you don't have that guy, you can't win in this league.

• 2:41Ryan Clark?

  Pretty T, Chad's talking about the quarterbacks. We're talking about the craziness. The thing we won't talk about tonight is running backs, bro. We saw that with Breece Hall's draft. He was the first off the board in the second half. When you see the way the game has changed to that point.

• 2:57Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 2:58Ryan Clark?

  Why is it that the running back is no longer valued the way it was? Where two of you guys went in the top 10 in your draft?

• 3:05Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, RC, man, it's crazy. But first, let me say, there's no better feeling than doing this show and coming from the D. Pause. Pause. I meant to say that, by the way. Gotta lighten the whole mood up, right? But anyway, let me answer your question.

• 3:21Ryan Clark?

  That made the mood heavy.

• 3:22Fred Taylor?

  Yeah?

• 3:23Channing Crowder?

  You gotta say no D now.

• 3:25Fred Taylor?

  I won't say that. Anyway. So, no, I mean, it's crazy, right? We're in a crazy time to not see any running backs projected to go in the top, in the earlier picks, or even the first round.

• 3:39Ryan Clark?

  First round, yeah.

• 3:39Fred Taylor?

  Which is crazy, but the running game will never go away. You know, without the running game, there's no offense. So, these guys, and it just goes in a category of how the position has been undervalued. And now it's started leaking to the, into the draft itself. But, you know, hopefully, when you get that once in a lifetime talent at that position, then you have to make a move. But I think in this particular draft, we don't have that caliber of guy. We have a ton of great quarterbacks. And I think we'll see a lot of them go off the board early. Maybe in the first 10 picks, all six of them possibly, but we'll see.

• 4:15Channing Crowder?

  Bro, that boy from Michigan, Corum?

• 4:17Fred Taylor?

  Mm-hmm.

• 4:18Channing Crowder?

  He's nice. You know I like my light-skinned fellas. You know I like my light-skinned fellas. Corum, that boy can play. I think he gonna be the best running back coming out in this draft.

• 4:26Fred Taylor?

  He's nice, but again, it goes back to, is he a once-in-a-lifetime? Is he a Saquon? Is he a Derrick Henry? Is he a Christian McCaffrey? He has to be of that caliber in order to be in this draft.

• 4:39Ryan Clark?

  The other piece of it too, you know, you guys both got to experience this. I didn't. Freddie T, you got to experience it on nearly the highest level and going in the top 10. What is that moment like for some of these men that'll be drafted in the first round? Where you know you've sort of changed the trajectory of your family's last name?

• 4:59Fred Taylor?

  You hit it on the head right there, the family. As much as it means to you, it's just knowing what it's gonna do for your family. The anticipation of hearing your name called, the excitement that follows. You know, just, I'm anticipating, you know, seeing the smiles on these young men's faces. Each and every year, that's what I look forward to. And then to see the reactions of the families. You know, if they're at the draft, or even if they're at home. You just get a certain, you know, just a feel-good reaction from the family knowing, this is my baby, all of the hard work has finally paid off. And we look forward to seeing these young men develop, to see what type of players they become.

• 5:40Fred Taylor?

  But it's nothing like, you know, just seeing the joy, you know, from the sacrifices that comes from the players, their families. It's such a good moment for me.

• 5:51Ryan Clark?

  You know, Freddie T talked about the joy, the elation that can be tonight. We saw our family, Joey Porter Jr. and his pops, Peasy, sit in the room, the green room, the entire first round last year. Will Levis, the same way. And we've seen that throughout the draft. They only had 12 or 13 guys come this time, and I believe that's a part of it. I think if these dudes don't feel like they going in the top 20, top 15, they're not trying to come and deal with that embarrassment.

• 6:18Fred Taylor?

  Look.

• 6:25Channing Crowder?

  Welcome to the Detroit 2024 NFL Draft.

• 6:28Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, that part.

• 6:29Speaker 05

  We waited six years to say this. Welcome to the NFL Draft in Detroit.

• 6:35Channing Crowder?

  He got Eminem up, boy. Eminem 55.

• 6:40Speaker 05

  Let's go, Big D. How you like that?

• 6:45Channing Crowder?

  Don't say that.

• 6:47Speaker 05

  Em, I was just kidding about the rap battle. We're gonna save that for another day, but the pride of Detroit.

• 6:52Channing Crowder?

  Eminem don't have no act in him.

• 6:54Speaker 05

  He's got a little some surprise for you and bringing out a few other surprises for you. So, Em, here you go.

• 7:02Speaker 05

  Detroit! What up?

• 7:07Speaker 05

  It's here, make some noise for the Detroit Lions. Let's go!

• 7:18Channing Crowder?

  Hey, he ain't do nothing about the draft. Detroit Lions.

• 7:24Channing Crowder?

  Boy, bring him out.

• 7:27Channing Crowder?

  Aiden Hutchinson. That boy can play ball.

• 7:30Fred Taylor?

  Yes, he can.

• 7:30Channing Crowder?

  Kevin Johnson's so different, man. He's so big. Look how he towers over Aiden Hutchinson.

• 7:38Fred Taylor?

  God, the goat.

• 7:39Channing Crowder?

  Look at Barry. The goat.

• 7:41Fred Taylor?

  That man was the baddest man alive. Look at this man.

• 7:44Channing Crowder?

  Barry, his gonna work, though. You see how Barry?

• 7:48Fred Taylor?

  Barry can probably get you the business.

• 7:49Speaker 05

  Man, Barry ain't giving me shit.

• 7:51Fred Taylor?

  How many of them hips ain't working because of the hips he done broke himself? He done broke thousands of people.

• 7:56Speaker 05

  Yo, yo, what up, Detroit?

• 8:00Fred Taylor?

  Them's the big old jokers up there, boy.

• 8:02Speaker 05

  This is crazy, I can't believe it. But before we get off the stage, I didn't hear one thing. Jerry Goff. Jerry Goff. Jerry Goff.

• 8:16Channing Crowder?

  That's true. He about to get money, too.

• 8:23Channing Crowder?

  They gotta play safe.

• 8:24Speaker 05

  What's up, Detroit? Let's go, baby!

• 8:28Speaker 05

  Hey Detroit, let's turn up tonight, baby. Let's get it.

• 8:33Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, he was a party. I hang with Aiden. Aiden though, I know Aiden though, I can tell.

• 8:38Ryan Clark?

  Aiden get after the quarterback. That's all they care about.

• 8:41Channing Crowder?

  I wanna hit the club with Aiden.

• 8:42Ryan Clark?

  Hey, Detroit had the two quietest stars of all time.

• 8:46Speaker 05

  What's up Detroit, what's up football fans? Thank you for showing the world how we doin' here in Detroit. Great job, guys.

• 8:52Ryan Clark?

  Look.

• 8:55Ryan Clark?

  Barry Sanders got him. They said, "Great job, guys."

• 8:59Channing Crowder?

  Way to go, way to go. He's the best ever. That's way called three. Barry the best ever. Naturally.

• 9:05Ryan Clark?

  Calvin Johnson got there saying, "What up, though?"

• 9:07Channing Crowder?

  No, nobody wants to talk. What up, though?

• 9:09Ryan Clark?

  I know it's the thing. These boys don't talk, though.

• 9:15Channing Crowder?

  I like when they boo Roger, too.

• 9:17Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 9:17Ryan Clark?

  He loves it.

• 9:18Channing Crowder?

  Oh, Roger, he raises it, yeah.

• 9:24Speaker 05

  Okay, the 2024 NFL Draft is now underway.

• 9:35Speaker 05

  The Chicago Bears are now on the clock.

• 9:41Channing Crowder?

  And just like that. They got a little squad now.

• 9:44Ryan Clark?

  They got some stuff, bro.

• 9:47Channing Crowder?

  Got receivers together, Deandre Swift. Who's OC? That's what I fucking don't know.

• 9:52Speaker 06

  Guys all talked about that will lead to his success and this team's success and...

• 9:57Ryan Clark?

  I never understood why they all dap each other off when their pick is in. Like, why does everybody like hug and...

• 10:05Channing Crowder?

  We made it.

• 10:06Ryan Clark?

  All of those things. Like, what I'm saying, isn't it like customized? Like, y'all knew what y'all... Y'all was coming out to make a pick anyway.

• 10:14Channing Crowder?

  Hey, we forgot.

• 10:15Ryan Clark?

  So we're... So we're celebrating the fact that you made a pick?

• 10:20Channing Crowder?

  They about to say it right now.

• 10:21Ryan Clark?

  You gotta say it.

• 10:23Channing Crowder?

  What'd he say?

• 10:25Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 10:27Channing Crowder?

  I knew this when he was on the show. I could tell, he ain't say nothing, but I could tell by his demeanor that he knew it was about him.

• 10:37Speaker 05

  With the first pick in the 2024 NFL Draft, the Chicago Bears select Caleb Williams, quarterback, Southern Californian.

• 10:52Ryan Clark?

  There he is, Chicago. Well, fellas, there it is. Last week, we were in Los Angeles with Caleb. Chan, you said he already knew, though.

• 11:04Channing Crowder?

  It's something, and like you said, he didn't say nothing. He didn't tell us nothing off camera, on camera. You just knew with that smile when you talked about it, when you asked him about Chicago, when you asked him about the Bear fans. Y'all asked different questions, and you could just, he was just, he was just smiling, and it was the best decision. That man can play football, man. Caleb is special. I just told somebody, we were down in, we're in Detroit now. I told somebody, I said, "This is a franchise-changing athlete, but a franchise-changing person." He impressed the hell out of me last week.

• 11:38Ryan Clark?

  Freddie T, what goes along, though, with being the first pick of a team in that year? And now for Caleb Williams, being the first overall pick of the entire draft?

• 11:50Fred Taylor?

  Pressure. It's a lot of pressure that goes along with it, excitement from the fan base, you know, and even excitement from Caleb. You know, he's a guy who sat on the show with us, and he said, "Look, I was groomed for this." Chan asked him if he was made, he was created in a lab. So he's been prepped and prepared for this moment for forever. Now he has his opportunity to go out there, and he's subtle away from the fan and the noise. He's misunderstood, but when the lights are on, as much as he's, when he was walking on the red carpet, and the crowd started yelling and they started roaring, he started getting hyped and running around. Here, when they just select him, call his name, he ran out in front of the crowd. He's ready to go.

• 12:32Fred Taylor?

  So I believe when the lights are on, he turns into a different person than what he is or what he's perceived to be on social media. So for me, I love a person like this. I wish him the best, and I hope he goes out there and he lives up to the hype and expectations.

• 12:47Ryan Clark?

  What I enjoyed about it was the... Genuine excitement.

• 12:52Fred Taylor?

  Yup.

• 12:52Ryan Clark?

  Right, the screaming, the beating on his chest, the turning around, smiling. Because he's really known he was gonna be this pick since the 2023 season started. He just had to make sure he stayed healthy and make sure he played the level of ball he's used to playing. And so, I think for me, it's about the decade plus of work he put into this. The treatments he said he had to get, the training, the nutritionist. Living on your own in high school. Because it was the thing that was best for this part of your career. And I think when you're North Star, is always, I want to be the best quarterback possible.

• 13:36Ryan Clark?

  I want to be the first overall draft pick of the NFL draft. And you get there, that's unimaginable. I know what it was like to just make a team. So to set those goals at a young age, to have the discipline to work toward those and now accomplish it, man. Salute to him, all respect to him. I think he deserves it. And, you know, Caleb Williams is now the starting quarterback of the Chicago Bears.

• 14:03Channing Crowder?

  I think he about the ball, bro. I really do. After meeting him last week, I think he about the ball.

• 14:09Fred Taylor?

  I think he has a good opportunity. Look at the players that are surrounding him.

• 14:13Channing Crowder?

  His weapons?

• 14:14Fred Taylor?

  What they're trying to bring in, what they've done. They got him two nice tackles. You saw they got the receivers there with DJ Moore and Keenan. They were able to trade and get Keenan for like a fourth round pick, so.

• 14:25Channing Crowder?

  Swift in the backfield?

• 14:26Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, Swift is back there, so.

• 14:28Channing Crowder?

  Let's get it.

• 14:28Fred Taylor?

  With all of those pieces, man, I think it gives him an opportunity to go out there and be successful. Everything else just has to marry up.

• 14:36Ryan Clark?

  Bro, he's jumping out there too. It's getting cold, though.

• 14:40Fred Taylor?

  There's a record temps here, right?

• 14:42Ryan Clark?

  My homeboy Joe. Sitting in the, he in the big room.

• 14:46Fred Taylor?

  Right there on the left?

• 14:48Ryan Clark?

  At my dog, yeah. And he in the big room now, Chan. He in the big room.

• 14:54Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, my dog in the big room. Yeah. There he is. Jayden.

• 15:02Speaker 07

  I came to CJ to get picks.

• 15:04Ryan Clark?

  It was the least suspenseful first two picks. What you seen in the wild family?

• 15:08Channing Crowder?

  Two. Hey, good, bro?

• 15:09Speaker 07

  What's up, from after night?

• 15:12Fred Taylor?

  Damn, we in your stuffing grounds, huh?

• 15:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, everyone keeps...

• 15:15Fred Taylor?

  Little city.

• 15:15Speaker 07

  It's funny, I was doing SportsCenter today. Everyone's like, oh, you know, you get to go back home. I was doing SportsCenter today, fans were going, they were very nice, very like, super loud and like, damn, damn, damn. I was like, yo, when I was here, you mother effers booed me out this stadium. You guys hated me. No, like, Dave, you're the best.

• 15:35Channing Crowder?

  Dan, you ran out the back of the in some.

• 15:41Speaker 07

  We did a whole segment on our sports, and it felt like today. It is what it is.

• 15:46Fred Taylor?

  That's, this is cool.

• 15:47Ryan Clark?

  All right, Dan, so...

• 15:48Speaker 07

  You ought to juice these guys.

• 15:49Ryan Clark?

  Not, not, not very suspenseful, but Caleb and Jayden seem genuinely excited about this, man.

• 15:56Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 15:56Ryan Clark?

  When you look at these two picks, two guys you think very highly of.

• 16:00Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 16:01Ryan Clark?

  Now, how much pressure is on both of them, though?

• 16:03Speaker 07

  I think there's a ton of pressure on Caleb. Couple of reasons why. Caleb was the number one ranked quarterback coming out of high school. He went to OU, started relatively early on.

• 16:15Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 16:15Speaker 07

  And then goes and wins the Heisman for a guy who had three straight number one picks in Lincoln Riley. So, the expectation for him is to be like, oh, you're different than everybody else. And if we're keeping it real about Justin, they gave up two number ones, Chicago, to go draft Justin three years ago. Justin, in the midst of two head coaches, three offensive coordinators, had 54 touchdowns and 30 interceptions, 9,000 yards. I'm not sitting here telling everybody he was, he was, you know, Patrick, but that's pretty good in a bad situation.

• 16:48Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 16:48Speaker 07

  And they moved on from him, you know what I'm saying? So, I think there's a ton of pressure on Caleb to be like, a guy, a guy. Obviously, a lot on Jayden, number two pick. You can make the case that, I mean, his season wasn't Joe Burrows, but it was, it was remnant of Joe Burrows in 19 and how special it was. You know, in Washington with the new regime, the new ownership, they want to get a new stadium, like, there's a lot for him to go be, be special as well.

• 17:18Channing Crowder?

  And damn, the situations, though, like you're talking about with Justin, I think Justin was put in bad situations with Chicago.

• 17:24Speaker 07

  Totally.

• 17:25Channing Crowder?

  The situation Caleb put in now, the situation that Jayden put in.

• 17:30Speaker 07

  I think the situation that Caleb is in is the best situation in the history of the NFL Draft for a number one picked quarterback.

• 17:36Channing Crowder?

  In the history?

• 17:38Speaker 07

  History. All right, so, I did this research, the Bears went, I think, 7-10 last year, if I'm correct. So not a number one picked team? Right, a number one select quarterback, right? Yeah. Number one picked team as far as record. Yes, that's what I'm saying, yeah, they are, yes. The only other team that had more wins than that, when they were selecting number one and they took a quarterback, I think, were the Colts took Jeff George in 89. They were 8-8 at the time, I believe. So you're talking about just wins and losses, that's the second best ever when you took a quarterback. Their defense was the number one defense in the NFL, the last half of the year, points per game, I don't think they're that, but like, they're probably going to be top six, top eight.

• 18:21Speaker 07

  Keenan's had four straight 1,000 yard seasons, DJ's a 1,000 yard receiver, Cole Comett's a top 10 tight end.

• 18:26Channing Crowder?

  Swift?

• 18:27Speaker 07

  Swift's coming off a career year, like, this is by far the best situation for a number one quarterback. I think Jayden goes into a good place, though, with the skill players, for sure.

• 18:36Fred Taylor?

  Dan, sticking with the quarterbacks, right, so, we just recently had Caleb on the show.

• 18:43Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 18:44Fred Taylor?

  And we got an opportunity.

• 18:45Speaker 07

  Great episode.

• 18:46Fred Taylor?

  We had, thank you, we had an opportunity to learn, you know, the process in which he had to go through as a young player, Pop Warner, high school, college, etc. He was prepped and primed for that, for each moment, and he's lived up to all of the hype on every level. Does that make you feel better with him, you spoke about pressure, does it make you feel better about him going into the NFL as the number one draft pick, knowing he's been able to be as good as, you know, the hype has followed him?

• 19:15Speaker 07

  Yeah, and I also think, like, he's been prepped to be a pro, you know, you know, I don't know if it was in your guys' episode, talking about he had his own apartment or something like that, right? So like, that's abnormal.

• 19:27Speaker 07

  I remember stories of guys that were getting drafted at that position early on in other organizations and the moms and dads like sitting with the general managers and the owners and being like, hey, will you make sure that you protect my baby? It doesn't seem like that's the case with Caleb. Like, he seems like the adult in the room. So I think like he's equipped to handle it. I think that like, dude, if you're the number one pick, you can't be that humble. You just can't be. You know what I'm saying? Like, you gotta walk in and be like, I'm the baddest dude on the planet. You know, like, that's the only way you flip a bad organization. He has that shit to him. Yeah, like, you gotta have something in your neck to be like... I always say this, the two best I was ever around were Peyton Manning and Matthew Stafford.

• 20:08Speaker 07

  They were two people at the same time. You know, like, you guys have been in locker rooms, like, they, everywhere they went, they knew, I'm the guy. Like, I'm the guy. No matter where, locker room, field, out in public, at the same time, they went out of their way to make sure that everybody felt like they just wanted to be one of the guys. You know what I'm saying? Like, they know that they're more important than you, but they want you to know that they don't think that. You know what I'm saying? And I think Caleb has a little bit of that.

• 20:38Ryan Clark?

  He seemed to have that when you talked about, oh, so did you expect Drake May? But this is where it gets interesting now, though.

• 20:48Speaker 07

  The next hour, I think, is gonna be fascinating in this draft. I think bombs away for Arizona at four. So, the Drake May pick in Carolina, there's a couple of things. Like, listen, his feet, I'll talk about the positives.

• 21:00Ryan Clark?

  Also, too, did you give him this suit? This is a Dan, this is a Dan Orlovsky NFL live suit.

• 21:08Speaker 07

  Come on, bro. I actually would wear that.

• 21:12Ryan Clark?

  Don't to the shoes!

• 21:15Speaker 07

  I actually think it looks good! It is nice. It's the old school line. It's classic, Fred. It's got some line look to it. I think it looks good. You know, the baby blue and the gray? Baby blue. This guy's wildly talented. Like, he is, I called a couple of his games early on in college. You know, I remember them saying, like, he's got Mahomes to his game when it comes to, like, the raw mechanics. He's got a lot of work in his game when it comes to, like, mechanically, you gotta get a lot better. His feet are all over the place. Comes from a crazy competitive family.

• 21:46Speaker 07

  The reason I liked him in New England was because I thought that New England with Jacoby, they're not ready to win. They could sit like, and he's not going to be pressured to get on the field right now. I think that's the by far best. He needs the Jordan Love treatment. He needs to sit and make sure that like he work. Look at his feet. They're all over the place. Like very rarely does he play in rhythm. At some point, he's gonna have to.

• 22:08Ryan Clark?

  Dee, and early on in the season.

• 22:11Speaker 07

  This throw's sick. This play's sick. I don't mean to cut you off.

• 22:13Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, the left hand joint?

• 22:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 22:14Ryan Clark?

  So but before, the beginning of the season, you were preaching, okay, Drake May could end up being the first.

• 22:19Speaker 07

  Number one pick.

• 22:19Ryan Clark?

  Overall pick.

• 22:20Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 22:21Ryan Clark?

  What changed about that throughout the season? And he is falling to three. Is it more of an ascension by Jayden that put him at three? And then also too, not playing well enough to be number one?

• 22:33Speaker 07

  Yeah, I would tell you the truth is, I was disappointed in Drake's mechanics this year and that there was never an improvement. Now, I don't know how much it was coached at North Carolina, college football, I don't know. But that never, like that never got better. And as a young kid, you can get away with it a little bit. Three years into college, you want to see an improvement in that? And I don't think it did. And then, yeah, there was the element of like, when I cut on Jayden's tape, I was like, oh, my gosh, this kid can go. And that was, that was surprising in comparison to 22. Obviously, Caleb was, was at worst, going to be, you know, the second pick of the draft type of thing for a while.

• 23:09Channing Crowder?

  And Dan, I want to ask you, man, because it's funny, because I messaged you about being skinny.

• 23:13Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 23:14Channing Crowder?

  But we had Jayden on.

• 23:15Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 23:16Channing Crowder?

  I've met Michael Pennix and all, and like meeting Caleb, he was a thicker guy. He's a thicker dude. Looking at Drake May, never met Drake, but he's just a thicker thing. Does that mean something to be a bigger dude like that?

• 23:28Speaker 07

  Um, I think there's value in it for sure. Um, I think that the ability to be tall in the pocket does matter. You obviously have to take hits now. They don't get, we, the quarterbacks don't get hit the way they did when y'all were playing type of thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, I always make the reference, you guys remember the NFC title game with Eli in San Francisco?

• 23:47Channing Crowder?

  Yep.

• 23:48Speaker 07

  Eli died on the field. You know what I'm saying, quarterbacks don't get hit like that anymore, you know? But also, there was the most amount of injuries to quarterbacks last year in the NFL. So I think it matters a little bit, but not, not as much certainly as it used to. Because you don't need to stand there and just take a beating the way that they did years ago.

• 24:06Ryan Clark?

  Dan, what's the, what's the difference in playing the quarterback position in college? Right? Not from, I'm not talking about the technical standpoint or the skill set or all those things. Obviously, you need to be better from a mental and physical aspect. What's the difference in the person, the leadership role and what's required of you? Because these three guys.

• 24:30Speaker 07

  Yeah, we were having a great conversation about this last night with like, Bug was there and Joel Klatt and Schrager and EJ Manuel. And I was saying, one of the hardest things for the quarterbacks to go from college to the NFL is, in college football, we all live the same daily life on a pretty much consistent basis. We're all 18 to 22. We all kind of wake up, we do the same thing. We go to the same types of classes. We go to practice, practice. We live the same life and we all have the similar interests and whatnot. When you go to the NFL, you guys know it, you walk in the locker room, you got a group of 20-year-olds that want to go hit the town that got a bunch of money. Then you got a group of 24-year-olds that are quiet bodies and, you know, they got a girlfriend

• 25:15Speaker 07

  or a new fiance that are a little bit homebody. Then you got the 28-year-old who's newly married with a newborn. And then you got the 33-year-old who's got three or four kids and his family might be at home. His family might be living halfway across the country. And you got to be able to connect with all of them and need all of them. And like when you're all living a different daily life, that's challenging for a young kid. That's new for a young kid. Like, how do I relate to you? So I think that's a big thing. I also think like,

• 25:44Speaker 07

  You know, in college football, unless you go to like one, maybe three or four schools, like, there's other things going on. Right. When you go to the NFL, you're the show. Yeah. Like, you're the deal, you know, and there's an immense amount of, like, professionalism that has to go on, on a day-to-day. And also, like, when you go, very few quarterbacks that get drafted early on are gonna lose the game on Saturday afternoons because they throw three picks. Right. That will happen in the NFL. Got you. How do you walk into the locker room on Monday, when you know you're the reason you lost? How do you, how do you handle the, the 30-year-old who is, you know... A great player, a leader already. Mobbing through the locker room because his body's broken in half because he just had 30 carries and you threw a pick-six to lose the game. And he's 30 and he's fighting for a contract.

• 26:29Speaker 07

  Yeah. How do you handle that? Like, what's the, you know, the personality interaction that, that matters in that? And college just doesn't necessarily get everybody ready for that because they don't experience it, you know?

• 26:40Fred Taylor?

  Damn, I know we just saw Marvin Harrison go, but one more quarterback question about Drake May.

• 26:44Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 26:45Fred Taylor?

  The Patriots haven't drafted a quarterback in over 30 years.

• 26:48Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 26:48Fred Taylor?

  And we all know why.

• 26:49Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 26:49Fred Taylor?

  Uh, but the last one they drafted in the first round was, uh, Mac Jones, who they traded down to Jacksonville. Were number 10. Had an amazing rookie year. Can Drake May come in and be as productive in his rookie campaign as Mac Jones?

• 27:04Speaker 07

  Drake May gonna be on the pine. Yeah, Fred, I wouldn't even think about playing him this year.

• 27:07Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 27:08Speaker 07

  Couple things. One, New England's not even remotely close to winning. This was the worst pass-protecting offensive line in football last year. Their leading receiver had 561 yards, their leading rusher had 642 yards.

• 27:20Fred Taylor?

  Okay.

• 27:20Speaker 07

  We're not even close to talking about winning. The second thing is this, I was, I was doing a little research on this, and it's not like gospel 100%, but if you look at the quarterbacks that have come into the NFL and got drafted early on and had mechanical issues, which Drake May does.

• 27:34Fred Taylor?

  Okay.

• 27:35Speaker 07

  And they played early, they're the failures.

• 27:37Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 27:38Speaker 07

  Like, go back to, you know, I go back to, like, Mitchell Trubisky had lower-half mechanical issues, played right away, struggled. Um, Sam Darnold, lower-half mechanical issues. Now, certainly, situations have impacted it, but like, um, lower-half mechanical issues, played away, played right away, struggled. Um... I'm trying to think, Josh Allen, lower half and a little bit of upper. His rookie year, Josh, really struggled. Now, he worked at it and got better and this and that, but like that was a dice roll. There's a guy two or three years ago, mechanical issues. The long story short is like, if you've got mechanical issues, you guys know this. All right, so quarterbacks have to develop. They have to get rid of the bad stuff out of their game, right? To actually allow the talent to be a part.

• 28:24Speaker 07

  If you don't allow the time to get rid of those bad habits and they gotta get on the field, the number one thing that they will always revert to, back to is bad habits because they're trying to win.

• 28:34Fred Taylor?

  Correct.

• 28:35Speaker 07

  I gotta win on Sunday.

• 28:36Fred Taylor?

  Like, oh.

• 28:37Speaker 07

  We're 1-3, we're 1-4. And they never get rid of the bad stuff. Because we gotta win, we gotta win, we gotta win. And you don't get to focus on that without the burden of winning and without the burden of Sundays. And that's why I think there's no, there's a reason why Green Bay is, you know, 30-plus years of doing what they've done. It is because they allow those guys to get rid of the flaws and the warts. So then the constant conversation is the talent rather than the fluctuation of play.

• 29:02Fred Taylor?

  What do you think is the most important? Correcting the mechanical errors or the mechanical issues that they might have? Or having a veteran guy to help them, help bring them along and develop?

• 29:15Speaker 07

  I don't think they're indifferent of each other.

• 29:17Fred Taylor?

  Okay.

• 29:17Speaker 07

  I would never draft a young quarterback and not have a vet in the room.

• 29:21Fred Taylor?

  I love it.

• 29:22Speaker 07

  I would never. I think it's the, I think it's one of the dumbest decisions in the NFL.

• 29:26Fred Taylor?

  I go back to years ago, Houston, when they were a franchise or an expansion team.

• 29:31Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 29:31Fred Taylor?

  I think it was, was it David Carr?

• 29:33Speaker 07

  David Carr, yes.

• 29:34Fred Taylor?

  I remember Jabar Gaffney, David Carr. They didn't have a veteran quarterback on the team. And that was just a setup for failure, in my opinion.

• 29:40Speaker 07

  Because you don't know what's real and what's not.

• 29:42Fred Taylor?

  Correct.

• 29:43Speaker 07

  There's a lot of great coaches in the NFL. Unless you've stood there, more often than not, unless you've stood there and know what it's like, it's hard to tell that kid, hey, throw that ball on one hitch. That 300-pounder's in my way and he's trying to split me in half. You know what I'm saying? So it's like, I think both of them, but I also think, because here's the thing, dude. If you, if you are mechanically flawed, there's, the coaches are too smart and the defenders are too good. They will attack it. And then it becomes a problem.

• 30:12Fred Taylor?

  Damn, we just saw, we just saw Marvin Harrison Jr. go, go fourth.

• 30:16Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 30:18Channing Crowder?

  Is he the fourth best player this year, or he has his daddy's name?

• 30:23Speaker 07

  Oh, this dude's cold. Marvin Harris Jr.?

• 30:25Channing Crowder?

  He can play, but I was just watching his highlights. Like, I've seen him play, but is he cold like that?

• 30:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, dude. I mean, you're talking long, rangy, unbelievable feet. His play speed is remarkable. His feet in and out of his cuts are spectacular. The only thing is, he's not this burner Bayou. He won't need to be. Contested catches, the body control. And dude, you are... It is like, he's not all that different than what we were talking about with like, some of the Caleb stuff. This dude's a pro.

• 30:56Channing Crowder?

  He can go.

• 30:57Speaker 07

  There's stories that they had to, like...

• 31:01Ryan Clark?

  Extend the time on his key card or something.

• 31:03Speaker 07

  Right, because he was working so much in the building at Ohio State that like, they had to give him a different key card so he would have access 24/7 type stuff.

• 31:10Channing Crowder?

  Okay, so if his name was Nathaniel Harrison, he would still be number four pick?

• 31:14Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 31:15Channing Crowder?

  Okay, that was my thing.

• 31:16Ryan Clark?

  That could also be Marvin Harrison Jr.'s little brother, though.

• 31:19Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 31:19Channing Crowder?

  Nathaniel?

• 31:20Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, it could be Nathaniel.

• 31:21Speaker 07

  Nah, he's good.

• 31:21Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, it doesn't... Dan, you know, we had this conversation on Face First before I started this, just about family.

• 31:29Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 31:30Ryan Clark?

  You're an amazing father. You got three boys, your daughter. You know, I've met them all, met your wife. How much throughout your career does that evolution of coming into the league? Like, you talked about the tiers of people, right? Or the levels of people. How much does or did your evolution help you be a better pro?

• 31:53Speaker 07

  Yeah, well, I appreciate it. I think that like, coming to the NFL was the first time I was ever on men. And I don't mean that was the first time I was ever on males, but it was the first time I was ever on men. Like, guys that I felt were like me, crazy competitive, wildly confident, alpha personality, highly driven, but also like, really liked being a dad and really enjoyed being a husband. It was the first time I ever had seen it, and so that was very much like a gravitational pull for me. And you know, like when I went to the NFL, I was under the assumption that like you couldn't have it. Like you couldn't really be a great dad, or it wasn't cool to, it really wasn't cool to be a great husband.

• 32:38Speaker 07

  And you couldn't be do that and be a really good football player, have the career that you wanted. And going to the NFL and seeing that like, oh no dude, like you played for 10 years. You also like, you and your son like each other. You know, like your son's 12 years old and you guys talk.

• 32:52Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 32:53Speaker 07

  It's awesome because I didn't really have that experience, you know what I'm saying? And then like, oh, you don't talk about your wife like, oh, you know, like the ball and chain or something like that. And that was my first time. But then also like you wanted to go one-on-one and hoop and bust my ass and I wanted to bust yours. And so it was the first time that I was ever around that and just watching how guys parented, watching how guys talked to their wife. But also watching how guys talked about their wife when their wife wasn't there. But then also like we'd be in the weight room trying to compete with each other. So it had a ton of like shaping of like what my vantage point of like what it could be. It was super impactful for me.

• 33:30Ryan Clark?

  Obviously you studied the game, you know, and I always tell you that, like when we worked together. And I think we both always said, you get better when your teammates are better. Right? When you know you don't want to get left behind on the show or you want to be able to compete. Also know you have a ton of conversations with teams about what they're actually doing in ball. What you see, what has there been any pull for you to put the coaching hat on? And in that pool, how much does your family weigh into that though? Because I know your boys are extremely active in sports and different things like that.

• 34:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think it gets harder to say no to coaching every year I'm away from playing. And that pool is really real. Just because I love football, I love the brain element of football. I love the impact element of football. I love the shape and the challenge of it. But it's hard, you know, like I always say this, RC, like if I'm being honest, I think me going into coaching would be an ego thing. If I'm being dead serious, at least right now, me going to coaching is not the best thing for my family.

• 34:36Channing Crowder?

  Got you.

• 34:36Speaker 07

  I got to your point, 12-year-old boys, they're in sixth grade. You guys got older kids that like, you know, we're starting the time of like, we don't want to hang out with you anymore. We want to be with our friends. I only have so much time left with that, at least that, that young face with them. So as much as I love like thinking about that and there's the draw to it, I just think it would be an ego thing. And just right now, it's just not the best decision for my family, you know? I don't think it's ever gonna go away, though.

• 35:06Channing Crowder?

  Yeah. What are you the best at?

• 35:09Speaker 07

  I don't really think I'm bad at anything.

• 35:10Channing Crowder?

  I tell people, I told The Rock.

• 35:11Speaker 07

  You heard him? Did you hear that?

• 35:12Channing Crowder?

  What'd he say?

• 35:13Speaker 07

  I don't think I'm really bad at anything.

• 35:15Channing Crowder?

  But I tell you, Dan, I'm better at football than you.

• 35:19Speaker 07

  You're better at playing linebacker.

• 35:20Channing Crowder?

  I'm a better football player than you.

• 35:22Speaker 07

  Yeah, I would agree with that.

• 35:23Channing Crowder?

  I started for six years.

• 35:24Speaker 07

  I would agree you're better football player than me.

• 35:25Channing Crowder?

  I told The Rock that too as well, so I'm not just, I'm not jumping on you, Dan. But what, what, what are you?

• 35:31Speaker 07

  What am I?

• 35:31Channing Crowder?

  What are you better at? Because you're a great analyst.

• 35:34Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 35:34Channing Crowder?

  We can watch you. I watch you run out the back of the end zone, so that's not your shit. And then, but even like, like coaching, like honestly, your, your thing, you're a God-given talent. What's the, like, what do you, how do you feel your best thing in the world?

• 35:48Speaker 07

  I think my best thing.

• 35:48Channing Crowder?

  What were you put here to do?

• 35:49Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think my best thing is I look at football like math. Like I was, oh, what am I, I was put here to do what I'm doing right now. Career-wise, football-wise, for sure.

• 35:59Channing Crowder?

  Just what's your talent?

• 36:00Speaker 07

  I'm way better at TV than I was actually playing.

• 36:03Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 36:03Speaker 07

  I'm better at telling you what's happening than actually doing it, unquestionably.

• 36:10Speaker 07

  I always loved math as a kid. I was always a numbers person. I think that like one of the things that I, I guess like really enjoy is that I understand math, football in a math capacity. It's 11 on 11.

• 36:25Channing Crowder?

  You see the lines.

• 36:26Speaker 07

  Yeah, and there's only so much.

• 36:28Channing Crowder?

  Hey, I want to all, I don't mean to cut you off, so Joe All goes to the Chargers, bro. Look at the excitement on his face.

• 36:35Speaker 07

  Has the pick happened yet?

• 36:37Channing Crowder?

  Yes.

• 36:37Speaker 07

  Yes. So he went to the Chargers?

• 36:39Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 36:40Speaker 07

  See, this is one nuts case. I think J.J. McCarthy goes here.

• 36:43Channing Crowder?

  Really? But what's going on with the Chargers?

• 36:47Speaker 07

  What you mean?

• 36:48Fred Taylor?

  I mean, I don't, I don't think they're making a lot of great moves. I think they, I don't believe they had a great offseason.

• 36:53Speaker 07

  Well, they, they did, this offseason was necessary for them though. They're in such a bad cap space.

• 37:00Speaker 07

  That like, they, they needed to move on from some of those receivers, just because, I mean, they weren't gonna afford them all. I, I was adamant that they were gonna take an offensive lineman just because that's who Harbaugh is and who Harbaugh wants to be. Harbaugh believes as long, I think his quote was, "The offensive line is not dependent on everybody else." Everybody else is dependent on the offensive line.

• 37:25Fred Taylor?

  Yep.

• 37:25Speaker 07

  So.

• 37:26Ryan Clark?

  Man, that, hey, Joe Alt just doesn't care, bro. Channing, Channing made a joke.

• 37:31Speaker 07

  Hey, man, you're the fifth pick of the draft.

• 37:32Ryan Clark?

  Bro, we were at Notre Dame, we're talking to the team, so Channing picked, you know, Channing does stand-up comedy, so he's picking on people that are sitting, the players that are sitting there, he makes a joke about Joe Alt, doesn't laugh.

• 37:45Speaker 07

  Maybe in front of you.

• 37:46Channing Crowder?

  Stone face.

• 37:47Speaker 07

  Maybe in front of you.

• 37:48Ryan Clark?

  Hate.

• 37:49Speaker 07

  Was it a funny joke?

• 37:50Channing Crowder?

  Dan.

• 37:51Ryan Clark?

  I laughed.

• 37:51Channing Crowder?

  All my shit's funny, but he was too big to get mad at, but I kinda got upset, like, damn, Joe laughed. Now I just saw him and Ryan had to tell me like, that's the dude that they laughed at. I was like, that is the dude that they laughed at.

• 38:04Ryan Clark?

  He picked in the draft like this.

• 38:05Fred Taylor?

  Does it truly matter that he hasn't played tackle in quite some time?

• 38:09Speaker 07

  He played tackle. He played left tackle though.

• 38:12Fred Taylor?

  He played left tackle.

• 38:12Ryan Clark?

  He's gonna play right now.

• 38:14Speaker 07

  Giants are making a pick.

• 38:15Fred Taylor?

  So we gotta, we gotta talk to Rappaport.

• 38:17Channing Crowder?

  He's gigantic.

• 38:17Fred Taylor?

  He said he hadn't played left, he hadn't played tackle in years.

• 38:20Speaker 07

  No, Al's only played tackle.

• 38:24Channing Crowder?

  He's gigantic.

• 38:25Speaker 07

  He went to Notre Dame.

• 38:25Fred Taylor?

  I need to text Rappaport. What you doing, Rappaport?

• 38:28Ryan Clark?

  So, so, so, so why are you interested here, Dan, with the Giants?

• 38:31Speaker 07

  Because I think they, they take J.J. McCarthy.

• 38:33Ryan Clark?

  Yes, absolutely.

• 38:34Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 38:35Speaker 07

  Because, here's the thing, if they take J.J. McCarthy, then what does Minnesota do? What do the Raiders do? What do the Broncos do? Like, that's, and then also, if you take J.J. McCarthy, it's like, Oh, they just paid Daniel Jones a gajillion dollars last year.

• 38:53Fred Taylor?

  There it is.

• 38:53Speaker 07

  And they're like, we're out, dude.

• 38:55Ryan Clark?

  The pick's in, bro. They took two minutes.

• 38:58Speaker 07

  I think it's McCarthy.

• 38:59Channing Crowder?

  It's already locked in. Over Pennix, over Nix.

• 39:03Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think, I think.

• 39:04Ryan Clark?

  McCarthy has moved up the, McCarthy has moved up the boards, bro, since the college football.

• 39:10Speaker 07

  Part of it too is this, they gotta win this year there.

• 39:13Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 39:13Speaker 07

  He will step in and be their starting quarterback.

• 39:16Ryan Clark?

  They will. So Daniel Jones will be the backup?

• 39:18Speaker 07

  I would, J.J. McCarthy would be my starting quarterback.

• 39:20Fred Taylor?

  Is he the fourth best quarterback in this draft?

• 39:24Speaker 07

  Um, yeah, probably right now, Fred, you know, like, he just was in, like, if you asked me if he, if he played at LSU with their people, like, would he have had the season that J, I think that's a wild projection, but I think his, his numbers and his play looked very different if he was at LSU.

• 39:43Fred Taylor?

  It all marries up. I think he stepped up in the bigger moments.

• 39:46Speaker 07

  His third down tape is tremendous.

• 39:47Fred Taylor?

  Even some of the quarterbacks that went before him.

• 39:49Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 39:49Fred Taylor?

  They didn't have that success in those type of games that he had, so, I mean, you never know.

• 39:54Speaker 07

  I do think he is very physically talented.

• 39:57Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I think people do miss, coming out of IMG, he was a top five quarterback.

• 40:02Speaker 07

  Yeah, man.

• 40:02Ryan Clark?

  You know, and that, that's the other thing, where you mentioned some of the things with Jayden. Jayden didn't have, or we didn't get some of those Joe Burrow moments, because the defense wasn't good enough to give him to him.

• 40:13Speaker 07

  Right, right.

• 40:14Ryan Clark?

  You know, he, he didn't have, you know, the Texas game, he didn't have the Alabama game.

• 40:19Speaker 07

  Give him one drive to go win this game.

• 40:20Ryan Clark?

  Right, you know, but, but J.J. McCarthy did get that.

• 40:23Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 40:24Ryan Clark?

  You know, and so I think you could see pieces of that, you know, in it. Let's see what they do here. Whoa, whoa, the Giants go Malik Neighbors.

• 40:35Fred Taylor?

  My my.

• 40:36Speaker 07

  Bro, they didn't take McCarthy.

• 40:38Ryan Clark?

  Bro.

• 40:38Speaker 07

  So now Minnesota.

• 40:40Ryan Clark?

  And Dayball hit me a couple, a couple of days ago. I missed they tried to call him back. Maybe that was why. But, but if you're Minnesota, you gotta, who's next? Tennessee?

• 40:51Speaker 07

  Tennessee.

• 40:52Ryan Clark?

  Tennessee's not gonna take.

• 40:53Speaker 07

  Tennessee wants an offensive lineman.

• 40:54Ryan Clark?

  Atlanta's not gonna take a quarterback.

• 40:56Speaker 07

  But Tennessee could go back to seven.

• 40:58Ryan Clark?

  They can get Latham.

• 40:59Speaker 07

  Tennessee.

• 40:59Fred Taylor?

  J.C., J.C.?

• 41:00Speaker 07

  They would take Latham, um, they could take Fashionu from Penn State.

• 41:05Fred Taylor?

  Gotta get him, dog.

• 41:07Speaker 07

  I would not be surprised if Tennessee took a wide receiver.

• 41:10Ryan Clark?

  Oh, they go roam here?

• 41:12Speaker 07

  Callahan came from where?

• 41:14Ryan Clark?

  Cincinnati.

• 41:15Speaker 07

  Cincinnati had the trio.

• 41:16Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, now you have DeAndre.

• 41:18Speaker 07

  He knows what that does for the young quarterbacks.

• 41:19Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 41:21Channing Crowder?

  What do all these kids have on sunglasses inside?

• 41:26Speaker 07

  I think it's your style thing, Chan.

• 41:27Channing Crowder?

  Oh, it's cool?

• 41:28Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think it's just like a-

• 41:29Ryan Clark?

  Chan, don't ask. You can't ask Dan any fashion question.

• 41:33Speaker 07

  Is this because I got the cardigan?

• 41:34Channing Crowder?

  You look good, Dan. I thought you had a quarter zip, but you got the four buttons.

• 41:37Ryan Clark?

  It's a cardigan. It says Detroit.

• 41:41Speaker 07

  I saw Detroit.

• 41:42Fred Taylor?

  Dan, any chance they pick up Dallas here?

• 41:44Speaker 07

  Who?

• 41:45Fred Taylor?

  Any chance they pick up Dallas here?

• 41:46Speaker 07

  Turner? No.

• 41:47Ryan Clark?

  No?

• 41:48Speaker 07

  No. This is either offensive lineman or-

• 41:51Ryan Clark?

  Dan, so I have another personal question.

• 41:54Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 41:56Ryan Clark?

  You know, I know, and we've had some of these conversations. You mentioned the things you didn't see in men from home.

• 42:06Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 42:07Ryan Clark?

  You sort of grew up without your mom.

• 42:09Speaker 07

  Yes.

• 42:09Ryan Clark?

  In ways, and I know you and your father have at least a complicated-

• 42:14Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 42:15Ryan Clark?

  -relationship. Has, how hard has that been on you, though? Because now, like you said, the difference in who Dan Arlovsky is now, the success, the recognition, all of those things. It's normally good to share those with people who got to see young Dan.

• 42:34Speaker 07

  It's wild you're asking me this.

• 42:35Ryan Clark?

  Right. What is, how do those relationships affect you now?

• 42:39Speaker 07

  Yeah. So I was, um...

• 42:50Speaker 07

  I don't do this much. I was working out this morning, actually, and a song came on. I was listening, like, mainly Christian rock music. I don't know the song or the words or whatnot exactly, but it triggered my brain. It was something about like, "You remind me of your mother, you love like your mother, you fight like me" type thing, whatever. And it brought back memories, like, of myself and my childhood, the broken home, all that stuff. And I started to think to myself, and I texted my wife, this is this morning, I see, and I texted my wife, and I was like, and I don't really talk to my wife about this stuff that much. I don't talk about it in general that much. And I texted my wife, and I was like, you know, something I, you know, that I just

• 43:32Speaker 07

  thought about, and she was like, "What?" And I was like, "It makes me sad. I don't ever tell my wife that." She was like, "What?" And I was like- I don't really remember as a kid hearing from my dad like I love you or I'm proud of you.

• 43:48Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 43:49Speaker 07

  You know, like.

• 43:54Speaker 07

  And it was weird as a forty year old man, I was like, I wonder, like I haven't talked to my dad in a long time. Like, I wonder if my dad's proud of me, you know, like, I wonder if my dad said, I'm proud of you to me now. Would that hit me like I was a twelve year old kid, you know, and I was. I told my wife, like, it makes me sad that, like, I don't remember that from my pops, you know, because my dad did do good stuff for me, you know, and I've sometimes I feel bad because I know that, like, he tried or whatnot stuff, but like to not to not have the memory of like my dad saying, yo, I'm proud of you. Or I was proud of you, I love you. It makes me like very aware of trying to overdo it with my kids, you know, like so they know, you know, like.

• 44:36Speaker 07

  And I don't know if it's the last time I thought about it like that, like that makes me sad, man, that like.

• 44:42Speaker 07

  I don't have that memory of him or or or from him, you know what I'm saying?

• 44:46Ryan Clark?

  Like my my dad is very like, I love you, like to to his friends, to to his brothers and sisters. And so he was that way with me, but to that point, my son's birthday was was Monday. And like I'm talking, I'm doing things for him, his license plate got stolen, so I had to get him a new license plate. We're having conversations, I FaceTimed him and I didn't tell him happy birthday. Now, I had just saw him the day before, you know, and I FaceTimed him to call him back, he doesn't answer. And I text him, I say, bro, I'm such a dumb ass. I was like, happy birthday, bro, I love you, whatever. He's like, pop, you know, I don't, you know, care about none of that. I was like, but still, you know, and and I woke up the next morning and I just sent him a text and, you know, I talked about.

• 45:32Ryan Clark?

  You know, like I do recognize some of my failures as a human.

• 45:36Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 45:36Ryan Clark?

  Where where I haven't been always, where a lot of things to preoccupy me, whether it was football, work and. As a father, I may have missed, never tried, like I knew I loved him, but okay, I gotta do better with that. And also as a husband, but I did tell him, I said, the one thing I've never questioned about myself is how much I love you.

• 45:55Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 45:55Ryan Clark?

  You know, and also I was like, and I've never, I've never had to think about pride when it came to you because I'm so proud of you. Like you're one of the best things I've ever done. And I think those things are hard for people to say sometimes. You know, and I'm sure.

• 46:13Speaker 07

  Why though?

• 46:16Ryan Clark?

  I think, excuse me, I think, I think part of it is that sometimes nobody told you.

• 46:23Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 46:23Ryan Clark?

  Right? And I think that makes people go, you go one of two ways. Right? So like, let's say you didn't have a great father and you always miss that. You make a decision, I'm gonna be a different father.

• 46:36Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 46:37Ryan Clark?

  I'm gonna work in a different way. I'm gonna connect to my kids differently than my dad did, cuz I wanted that.

• 46:42Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 46:42Ryan Clark?

  I missed that. And then some people, even though they may be very good fathers, they're still that same sort of hard father because they never heard, "I love you."

• 46:51Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 46:51Ryan Clark?

  So they don't necessarily know or feel like that's an important thing because they turned out alright. And so I think people can go, you know, two different, two different ways with it. And for you, you know, how much of it do you think was him having to do a lot by himself?

• 47:08Speaker 07

  Yeah, that, I mean, and my dad, he came from, you know, a rough background himself and whatnot and broken home. And so a lot of himself, and I'm sure there was that pride like of like, I'm gonna go and make something of my family. And I was talented with sports, so it's like, he was gonna push me to make sure that I got the most out of myself type of thing. It's funny with the "I love you" thing cuz I, I don't come from the big family and again, very small. My family doesn't know this, um, but like when my family, my direct family, not my wife, but like my direct family, it's like my sisters, who I grew up without one, and my mother, um, like when, and even my wife's family a little bit, when they'll be like, we'll say bye or whatever, and they say "I love you," it's a weird feeling for me.

• 47:52Speaker 07

  When my boys say "I love you" or people that are like my friends, it's the easiest thing for me to say back.

• 47:58Ryan Clark?

  Wow.

• 48:00Speaker 07

  You know, cuz like that's, I didn't, I don't grow, I didn't grow up with family. You know what I'm saying?

• 48:08Ryan Clark?

  You grew up with boys.

• 48:09Speaker 07

  My teammates.

• 48:09Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 48:10Speaker 07

  My teammates were my family. I remember getting married with my, to my wife. My wife comes from the, a big Irish family, and we bought our house. And her family would just show up unannounced, and I would be like.

• 48:26Channing Crowder?

  What y'all saying?

• 48:28Speaker 07

  What is this?

• 48:30Channing Crowder?

  What y'all saying?

• 48:31Speaker 07

  But then my boys, my teammates would show up and announce and I'd be like, "What's up?" You know, like it was this, it was just this weird, it's this weird, I guess like internal, maybe programming, you know, where it's like when, when family says "I love you" to me, I'm like...

• 48:53Channing Crowder?

  Means something.

• 48:54Speaker 07

  No, he doesn't even know how to respond.

• 48:56Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 48:57Channing Crowder?

  You don't even know how to respond.

• 48:58Speaker 07

  It's odd for me. I get weird.

• 49:00Fred Taylor?

  It's kinda different. It's vice versa.

• 49:02Speaker 07

  Correct.

• 49:03Fred Taylor?

  Your friends versus your family. Usually when your boys say "I love you", like, "I love you too, bro." But your family is like, "I love you". No, your family is like a natural response because it's family, but it's, it's different for you.

• 49:15Channing Crowder?

  I was gonna say, because I, I started that in this generation, every time I get off the phone, I tell my wife, my kids, my everybody, "I love you."

• 49:24Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 49:24Channing Crowder?

  "I love you too", and we get on the phone because, and my thing, Dan, it's crazy, like, I don't know if this is a wild thought, is that if something happens between this time and the next time I talk to you, I want the last thing that you hear from me, it's for me to say "I love you",

• 49:39Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 49:39Channing Crowder?

  if something was to happen.

• 49:42Channing Crowder?

  You're a great father. I actually laughed the other day, you put out a video and I'm about to do the little thing that you couldn't do is stand up, hold your leg off the ground, I'm about to show you how real athletes work. So, but I love how your daughters are involved, your wife's involved.

• 49:55Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 49:56Channing Crowder?

  As you were talking, I thought about it. Would, would your life have been different if your dad thought the way you do?

• 50:11Speaker 07

  Kenny, I don't know, man, like,

• 50:15Speaker 07

  my honest opinion is, I don't know if I would have made it in football if, if he was like me. My dad pushed me, man. Like, he pushed me and he demanded from me. And...

• 50:29Speaker 07

  That's the only reason I made it. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's the only reason I get to sit here somehow. You know what I'm saying? I don't know if I would have made it in football if it wasn't for that. I honestly don't because he was so, he pushed me so hard. He taught me work ethic so hard. I don't know.

• 50:47Speaker 07

  I would like to think that I would be, you know, as committed to being a dad and a husband as I am, but I don't know because I was so, dude, like, I was so committed to like, I'm gonna do it differently. I'm gonna do it one time. I'm gonna do it right. I'm gonna watch the people who have all these marriages and families and relationships and I'm, like, what's it take? You know, and so like, I don't know if I would have been as motivated either, you know, for it. I don't know. Like, I don't know.

• 51:17Fred Taylor?

  I don't know if Big J C know about Rodgers back. Yeah, J C Lathan just picked Rodgers. Yeah, Tennessee just picked him. And before he can even get to the stage, the Falcons pick is in. So we'll, we'll see how that happens then. We had last, a year ago, we did the show with YouTube TV. We, we had the one and two picks with, with C J and Bryce. Right, Heisman guy, second pick. This year, we did the same. The number two pick was the Heisman guy. Number one was obviously Heisman a year ago, two years ago, 2022, I believe.

• 51:50Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 51:51Fred Taylor?

  Who do you think set up to have a more successful rookie campaign in those two guys?

• 51:58Speaker 07

  Caleb.

• 52:00Fred Taylor?

  Why?

• 52:01Speaker 07

  I mean, D J's a stud. Keenan's still a thousand yard receiver, hundred catch guy. I think Cole Komet's a really good top 12, top 10 tight end. Swift's coming off of a career year. Their offensive line's above average. I like their offensive coordinator, Waldron. I also think this, Fred, like, you know what? One of my things that I, is like, a little bit of a pet peeve of mine is when people say, you know, what's the best thing you can give a rookie quarterback? You know, a, a run game.

• 52:28Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 52:29Speaker 07

  No, it's a defense.

• 52:34Speaker 07

  Bro, you know how easy it is to go pick quarterback when you're like, hey, score 14?

• 52:38Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 52:38Speaker 07

  You know how hard it is? Go score 35.

• 52:41Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 52:41Speaker 07

  Great, you know, so like, I just think their defense is gonna take a lot of pressure off like, oh my gosh, I gotta go score 35 points for us to have any chance of winning.

• 52:50Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 52:50Speaker 07

  You know what I'm saying?

• 52:51Ryan Clark?

  Dan, when, how do you think J.J. McCarthy feels, right? Because here's what happens. The entire time that all of this news of everybody trying to trade up for J.J. McCarthy has been going on, I've been trying to make it make sense. And I trust you so much, I start to feel like I'm wrong. Right, because, because, and, and, but you're never talking about, like, you're never saying this is where these guys are going to be drafted.

• 53:17Speaker 07

  Right.

• 53:18Ryan Clark?

  You always show me, if they're drafted there, here's why.

• 53:22Speaker 07

  Right, this is their, this is their trade or their skill.

• 53:24Ryan Clark?

  Right, and so, and so, but, um, when you, when we start to hear all of these rumors, are things, how do you think this happened? Are you leaning towards things or just correcting themselves on draft night? Or people truly saw it how you did, where you say, yes, J.J. McCarthy is the top 15 talent.

• 53:44Speaker 07

  Right.

• 53:44Ryan Clark?

  But he may go early because of the way people view quarterback.

• 53:47Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think it's also information. You know, like, if you're Minnesota and you're one of those teams that was potentially trying to get up, well, maybe you had got wind that, like,

• 53:56Ryan Clark?

  Nobody's gonna-

• 53:57Speaker 07

  the Giants aren't gonna take him. Well, then, you don't have to be overly aggressive.

• 54:00Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 54:01Speaker 07

  And you know that, hey, um, Tennessee, like, listen, if the Raiders or the Broncos call you, we'll give you more, you know, so it's like-

• 54:11Ryan Clark?

  No, they call him, hey, what you, what you, this is what we got.

• 54:13Speaker 07

  Hey, we got, we got, we got the 12th pick, we'll, we'll give you the 11th and the 23rd. So I think it's a little bit of an information thing as well. Um, I also think, and I had heard word of this a little bit here today, that, like, Minnesota was not gonna be overly aggressive to go get up in McCarthy. Um, unless, like, if J.J. had gone 6, they weren't gonna overspend to try to go get him at 5. They were gonna be willing to take Michael Pennix at 11.

• 54:42Ryan Clark?

  Got you.

• 54:42Speaker 07

  So I think that was a little bit like, Michael Pennix had rid, has, had risen just as much as J.J. had.

• 54:48Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, now you put yourself in a position, we'll see what Atlanta does. And- You know, I think we're a little behind and Fred just said wow, so I'm nervous.

• 55:03Fred Taylor?

  It's gonna be amazing. Wow.

• 55:06Ryan Clark?

  Holy hell, the Falcons picked Michael Pennix at eight?

• 55:17Ryan Clark?

  Oh my God, bro, are you serious?

• 55:20Fred Taylor?

  Things are getting interesting. Coach Morris first pick.

• 55:24Ryan Clark?

  Here's the thing though now.

• 55:25Speaker 07

  Bro, they just gave Kirk a buck sixty.

• 55:28Ryan Clark?

  And so now you think J.J. Minnesota?

• 55:30Speaker 07

  And he's twenty-four.

• 55:31Ryan Clark?

  What are the Raiders gonna do? And if you gave Kirk a buck sixty for four years, you're expecting him to play two to three of those years. By the time Michael Pennix plays, he's twenty-seven.

• 55:43Speaker 07

  What?

• 55:45Fred Taylor?

  What's the thought?

• 55:47Ryan Clark?

  The quarterback's guy is here. Hell, I know, no.

• 55:52Speaker 07

  I like Pennix's game, I do. He is Luka Doncic to me, like long-range shooter dude. I mean, this throw's ridiculous, but he's twenty-four years old. You just gave Kirk a gajillion dollars.

• 56:06Fred Taylor?

  Wow.

• 56:07Speaker 07

  Holy smokes.

• 56:08Fred Taylor?

  Do you trade Kirk?

• 56:09Ryan Clark?

  No.

• 56:10Speaker 07

  No, you can't. Your dead cap will be outrageous.

• 56:12Ryan Clark?

  And the other piece of it is too, now you have...

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• 57:23Speaker 07

  Who's their general manager?

• 57:26Ryan Clark?

  Fontenot.

• 57:27Speaker 07

  Where'd he come from?

• 57:28Ryan Clark?

  New Orleans.

• 57:28Speaker 07

  Who's got the 12th pick of the draft?

• 57:32Ryan Clark?

  The Broncos.

• 57:34Speaker 07

  Who's their head coach?

• 57:35Ryan Clark?

  Sean Payton.

• 57:35Speaker 07

  Where'd he come from?

• 57:37Ryan Clark?

  New Orleans.

• 57:38Channing Crowder?

  How do you, how does your mind work like that?

• 57:41Speaker 07

  Because this doesn't make a ton of sense.

• 57:42Fred Taylor?

  Can you, can, does the NFL work like the NBA? Can you trade a draft they pick?

• 57:48Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah, yeah.

• 57:48Ryan Clark?

  He's a genius. Because here's what happens. Here's what happens, the Broncos say, pick him.

• 57:54Speaker 07

  Pick him.

• 57:54Ryan Clark?

  You have the conversation, the Broncos says, pick him, and the Atlanta Falcons say, if you, well, we want this guy at 12.

• 58:01Speaker 07

  Right.

• 58:01Ryan Clark?

  They pick that guy at 12, they trade that, and you also get an asset.

• 58:05Speaker 07

  Because that doesn't make a ton of sense.

• 58:06Fred Taylor?

  It doesn't make any sense.

• 58:07Channing Crowder?

  That's crazy how fast your mind works.

• 58:10Ryan Clark?

  But the Broncos, the Broncos could get him at 12.

• 58:13Fred Taylor?

  They could move up. They talked about moving up, right?

• 58:17Speaker 07

  Because Minnesota's sitting there 11, and you don't know what the Raiders are going to do.

• 58:21Ryan Clark?

  The Raiders are 13.

• 58:23Speaker 07

  But they could jump.

• 58:24Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, they could jump.

• 58:25Speaker 07

  So that's, so maybe it's one of those things where, you know, the trade necessarily doesn't happen, you don't figure out like the

• 58:34Speaker 07

  the compensation right away, but it's similar to what happened with Eli and Phillip. Like, take him, we'll figure it out afterwards type of thing. Yeah.

• 58:44Fred Taylor?

  They can still get their guy. It doesn't make any sense, man, especially after the Cousins trade.

• 58:49Speaker 07

  He's 24.

• 58:50Ryan Clark?

  All I saw, so, because I don't know how to work Hulu, Fred's face, Fred goes, wow.

• 58:57Fred Taylor?

  Wow.

• 58:57Ryan Clark?

  Right? Because he's watching on his phone, and Alicia's over there like...

• 59:05Channing Crowder?

  Uh-oh.

• 59:07Fred Taylor?

  But Atlanta can go back and get their guy. I think Atlanta needs to go defense.

• 59:14Channing Crowder?

  Roma can play.

• 59:16Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 59:17Speaker 07

  Bowers, Odunze, I mean, that one, that one.

• 59:20Ryan Clark?

  Honestly though, too, though, if you're the Vikings...

• 59:23Speaker 07

  This is...

• 59:23Ryan Clark?

  Panic mode. Because you gotta think, do the Raiders try to get up ahead of you?

• 59:28Speaker 07

  And get McCarthy?

• 59:29Ryan Clark?

  Because you know the Jets aren't picking a quarterback.

• 59:31Speaker 07

  No. No, I think the only thing, again, I think that would be one of those conversations if you're Minnesota, you call the Jets and say, "Hey, you call us with the best offer that you get from somebody and we'll beat it," type of thing, you know?

• 59:45Fred Taylor?

  Could this have been, you mentioned the Broncos and that whole scenario. Could this have been a piece of the Kirk Cousins-Minnesota thing too, or no?

• 59:56Speaker 07

  In regards to what?

• 59:58Fred Taylor?

  To send the pick to Minnesota to do a swap when Minnesota's on the clock.

• 1:00:02Speaker 07

  Sure.

• 1:00:02Fred Taylor?

  Essentially just moving back.

• 1:00:04Speaker 07

  Yeah, sure.

• 1:00:04Ryan Clark?

  They're doing the same thing with the Broncos.

• 1:00:06Fred Taylor?

  Right. He was looking at the tea leaves of the relationships.

• 1:00:09Speaker 07

  The relationships. He sent New Orleans.

• 1:00:11Fred Taylor?

  But maybe in that conversation with Kirk, and this is just theories kind of way out above the ceiling. But even in the conversation when they sent Kirk there.

• 1:00:19Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:00:19Fred Taylor?

  And they made that happen, maybe they said, "Look, this is an insurance policy for us."

• 1:00:23Speaker 07

  Sure.

• 1:00:24Fred Taylor?

  If you made this move.

• 1:00:25Speaker 07

  But they didn't send Kirk there. Kirk chose there, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:00:28Fred Taylor?

  That's facts.

• 1:00:28Channing Crowder?

  But I just saw on the screen that Pennix has tore his right ACL twice and both his shoulders have been dislocated.

• 1:00:35Speaker 07

  He's got four seizing ending injuries. That's why he's 24, right?

• 1:00:38Channing Crowder?

  But that's what I'm saying, like that has to be an issue to make him your franchise quarterback.

• 1:00:42Ryan Clark?

  Roma Dunze.

• 1:00:43Fred Taylor?

  Theirs look scary, just like that.

• 1:00:45Speaker 07

  Man.

• 1:00:46Fred Taylor?

  You know how fancy he's gonna learn?

• 1:00:49Channing Crowder?

  Who's their three receiver?

• 1:00:50Ryan Clark?

  Keenan Allen, DJ Moore, and Rome.

• 1:00:52Channing Crowder?

  Caleb is about to go crazy.

• 1:00:54Ryan Clark?

  And DeAndre Swift.

• 1:00:56Channing Crowder?

  Caleb's about to go crazy.

• 1:00:58Speaker 07

  Their general manager has crushed it.

• 1:01:00Ryan Clark?

  You know what else though, Dan? I don't think the world moves in this coincidental of a way. Caleb Williams had a throwing session with DJ Moore, Keenan Allen, and Roma Dunze.

• 1:01:13Speaker 07

  For real?

• 1:01:14Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, last week. Right?

• 1:01:17Speaker 07

  Didn't they fly out there together too?

• 1:01:19Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, and listen, things happen.

• 1:01:21Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:01:22Ryan Clark?

  Things like that don't happen.

• 1:01:23Speaker 07

  Trade.

• 1:01:26Ryan Clark?

  Oh.

• 1:01:27Speaker 07

  Minnesota, there you go.

• 1:01:29Ryan Clark?

  Minnesota said the hell with that. Minnesota said the hell with that.

• 1:01:34Fred Taylor?

  Let us move now.

• 1:01:36Channing Crowder?

  So this is McCarthy.

• 1:01:37Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:37Channing Crowder?

  This is McCarthy.

• 1:01:38Ryan Clark?

  This is, this is, we have to beat, because also too, at this point, if you're Minnesota, you're like, you have to beat the Raiders.

• 1:01:48Speaker 07

  And Broncos.

• 1:01:48Ryan Clark?

  And we don't know if Denver and Atlanta have this thing that Dan is supposedly, you know, offering up to the world.

• 1:01:57Speaker 07

  So Minnesota takes McCarthy, man.

• 1:02:00Ryan Clark?

  Does the, do the Raiders take Bo Nix then, or do the Broncos?

• 1:02:03Speaker 07

  I think the Broncos take Bo Nix. And then the Raiders.

• 1:02:05Ryan Clark?

  And now the Raiders are stuck out.

• 1:02:07Speaker 07

  Hung out to dry, man.

• 1:02:08Ryan Clark?

  But I think the Raiders had settled on the only, they were only moving up if they could get two or three.

• 1:02:14Speaker 07

  Correct, they only wanted to go, really go get Jayden.

• 1:02:16Ryan Clark?

  They only wanted to get Jayden, right, so if you couldn't get them, it was, we'll wait and, and stay where we are.

• 1:02:22Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:02:23Ryan Clark?

  And, and see who falls, and now you're in a position where nobody falls.

• 1:02:29Channing Crowder?

  Wow.

• 1:02:30Fred Taylor?

  Rome is talented.

• 1:02:31Ryan Clark?

  Rome is very talented.

• 1:02:32Speaker 07

  Man, think of.

• 1:02:32Ryan Clark?

  Dan loves Rome.

• 1:02:33Speaker 07

  Yeah, Rome, Rome is DeAndre Hopkins to me.

• 1:02:36Fred Taylor?

  His catch radius is amazing.

• 1:02:37Speaker 07

  He don't ever get open, he just catches everything. You know what I'm saying?

• 1:02:40Fred Taylor?

  What offense are you most looking forward to seeing this year? The new Bears offense with those guys, or the Texans after they added Diggs?

• 1:02:48Ryan Clark?

  It's not even close.

• 1:02:49Speaker 07

  Texans.

• 1:02:50Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:52Ryan Clark?

  Freddie T, Freddie T, Freddie T, the Texans? Did you, did you see the?

• 1:02:56Speaker 07

  That cat down in Houston.

• 1:02:57Fred Taylor?

  Calling out so the people can understand.

• 1:02:59Ryan Clark?

  I'm gonna cut you off.

• 1:03:00Speaker 07

  Hey, Mika?

• 1:03:00Ryan Clark?

  It's.

• 1:03:01Speaker 07

  Yeah, it's awesome.

• 1:03:02Ryan Clark?

  Cause I, so when we did CJ, I called Dan, and when I saw Dan at work, I said, Dan, there's some stuff on this show that you're gonna.

• 1:03:09Speaker 07

  Nerd out about.

• 1:03:10Ryan Clark?

  That you're gonna nerd out about, he loves CJ.

• 1:03:12Fred Taylor?

  Right, now CJ's a man. So if we're going, who is it, Diggs, Meche?

• 1:03:18Speaker 07

  Nico Coleman.

• 1:03:19Fred Taylor?

  Nico, Dell, Tank Dell.

• 1:03:21Speaker 07

  Yep.

• 1:03:21Fred Taylor?

  And Brown.

• 1:03:22Speaker 07

  Nico Coleman.

• 1:03:23Fred Taylor?

  Nico Coleman.

• 1:03:24Ryan Clark?

  Joe Mixon?

• 1:03:25Speaker 07

  Mixon, Dalton.

• 1:03:27Fred Taylor?

  Dalton show.

• 1:03:28Speaker 07

  Their four is really, their four is like, Meche's probably their four, Noah Brown's their five, probably.

• 1:03:34Fred Taylor?

  Okay, he's the five, and then in Chicago, you have Rome, who was just drafted.

• 1:03:38Speaker 07

  Rome, Keenan, DJ, Cole Komet.

• 1:03:41Fred Taylor?

  Cole Komet.

• 1:03:41Ryan Clark?

  DeAndre Swift.

• 1:03:42Fred Taylor?

  And Swift.

• 1:03:44Ryan Clark?

  Pretty team. It's the thing though, like I hear Chicago and I'm like, man, that's tough. I hear Houston and I'm like, we gotta get a different game plan.

• 1:03:53Channing Crowder?

  But.

• 1:03:54Ryan Clark?

  Because, because the thing you know about Houston is, we know their quarterbacks.

• 1:03:58Fred Taylor?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:04:00Ryan Clark?

  Cold blooded.

• 1:04:00Fred Taylor?

  And then their defenses.

• 1:04:02Ryan Clark?

  You know.

• 1:04:03Fred Taylor?

  AFC South.

• 1:04:03Channing Crowder?

  Caleb or CJ? That is not easy.

• 1:04:08Ryan Clark?

  I think it's.

• 1:04:09Channing Crowder?

  Caleb at this level, but Caleb or CJ?

• 1:04:11Ryan Clark?

  I think it's, I think it's only easy because we saw CJ quickly become not one of the better, one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Like the only quarterbacks you're speaking of that we say are ahead of CJ Stroud are some of these transcendentally talented humans.

• 1:04:34Speaker 07

  Four or five.

• 1:04:35Fred Taylor?

  If CJ doesn't miss that game and if Lamar doesn't heat up in the last three games, he was heavy in the, in the MVP conversation.

• 1:04:44Speaker 07

  Oh, for sure.

• 1:04:44Fred Taylor?

  You know what I'm saying? So he's done some shit, stuff that many rookies have never done. I forget what it was. But Dan is here. I'm trying to be hospitable. You know, my guy, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:04:55Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, Dan, Dan, Dan will throw a fudge in there.

• 1:04:58Channing Crowder?

  Fudge it.

• 1:04:59Speaker 07

  I try not to, man. I, I mean, I'm not perfect, but I'm surprisingly.

• 1:05:03Ryan Clark?

  I'm sure he crosses, cuts into boys lacrosse games.

• 1:05:05Speaker 07

  Sometimes, sometimes I get after my kids. I told my son one, uh, I told my son about two weeks ago. I got one soon. It was starting to get a little loose with his mouth. He's a good kid, but like, I think he tries to prove himself too much. We were talking about something. My wife came home and he said,

• 1:05:24Speaker 07

  the words, we were talking about a situation and he went to my wife and said, you didn't do anything,

• 1:05:30Speaker 07

  buddy. I almost killed the kid.

• 1:05:34Fred Taylor?

  How old is he?

• 1:05:34Speaker 07

  He's 12.

• 1:05:35Fred Taylor?

  Do you, is that too young to teach him situational, like situations?

• 1:05:40Speaker 07

  No, I don't think so. Like I, I don't, they're smart kids. They're sharp kids. They're aware. They're exposed to stuff nowadays. Like I think they, they, they know what's going on.

• 1:05:50Speaker 07

  We were, we were at the beach last week. He was playing with a bunch of his friends. We were all playing. You capture the flag?

• 1:05:54Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:55Speaker 07

  So we were playing. I'm like running around with these kids. I'm tired. Excuse my language here, but like.

• 1:06:04Speaker 07

  Him and his friends were busting on me. I'm like, yo, fellas, I'm dead. And I was like, I wanna play another game. They're like, play another game. He looked at me, he said, don't be a PU.

• 1:06:12Fred Taylor?

  No!

• 1:06:13Speaker 07

  My son said that to me. I said, what'd you just say to me?

• 1:06:15Fred Taylor?

  No!

• 1:06:16Speaker 07

  And he looked at me, and I was like, you're lucky your friends are here right now. I was just laughing at the time. And I was like, you don't even know what that is.

• 1:06:27Fred Taylor?

  You never seen one.

• 1:06:28Speaker 07

  And he goes, what? And I said the word to him, he goes, I don't know what that means. I said, don't say that.

• 1:06:35Fred Taylor?

  My son-

• 1:06:35Speaker 07

  Brad, trust me.

• 1:06:36Fred Taylor?

  He's been, um, he plays this game on, uh, and then he has like this Discord chat-

• 1:06:41Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:06:41Fred Taylor?

  That's live in the background, and he puts it on speaker. Everybody on that chat curses.

• 1:06:47Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:06:47Fred Taylor?

  And when Braylon, he attempted to curse him, like, I look at him, and then I go, bro, what are you doing? It's those guys, that, it's not me.

• 1:06:54Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:06:55Fred Taylor?

  But I hear him drop some bombs every now and then.

• 1:06:56Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 1:06:57Fred Taylor?

  And I give him a pass, but in front of his buddies, I've started to check him right there in the spot.

• 1:07:02Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:07:02Channing Crowder?

  You ain't allowed to beat kids no more. You're not allowed to spank kids.

• 1:07:06Speaker 07

  They call it gentle parenting?

• 1:07:08Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, you're not allowed, uh, beat, beat is a, oh, spank, cuz beat means something. You're not allowed to po- You know, Dan, in my house, we call it a pow pow. You wanna pow pow? And so it sounds, it sounds cool, right there, it sounds nice and pleasant. I, you wanna pow pow? Cuz you, you get your ass whooped in this house.

• 1:07:27Speaker 07

  In my house, there's this. Grab that area right there and squeeze it. I remember my buddy's dad-

• 1:07:32Channing Crowder?

  The Vulcan death grip.

• 1:07:34Speaker 07

  But my dad did that, my buddy's dad did that to me one time. I thought I was gonna die on the spot. I was like so scared of him after that, so I'll, when they're mouthing off, I'll grab him like that, like.

• 1:07:43Channing Crowder?

  I saw it on Spaceballs, cuz that's how you put people to sleep.

• 1:07:47Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, don't go to sleep, that just hurts.

• 1:07:50Ryan Clark?

  And for me, it just gives me a freaking headache cuz my trap's tight. Like, I just-

• 1:07:54Fred Taylor?

  Some pressure point, love?

• 1:07:55Ryan Clark?

  I had freaking-

• 1:07:56Channing Crowder?

  Well, if-

• 1:07:57Ryan Clark?

  Hit in my face.

• 1:07:58Channing Crowder?

  If Dan called this Viking pit?

• 1:08:00Ryan Clark?

  Oh, it's not, he's, he got it right.

• 1:08:01Speaker 07

  This is McCarthy.

• 1:08:01Channing Crowder?

  This is crazy.

• 1:08:03Ryan Clark?

  This is McCarthy.

• 1:08:03Fred Taylor?

  You called that thirty minutes ago.

• 1:08:05Speaker 07

  Oh, it's a thousand percent J.J. McCarthy.

• 1:08:07Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, like, I mean, that's who they- They wanted May or him. I think he fits a lot of what Kirk did and I think sometimes you become so comfortable with familiarity.

• 1:08:19Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:08:20Ryan Clark?

  Right, it's, we don't actually, and if I'm Kevin O'Connell, I don't need some of the things that Drake May might be able to do.

• 1:08:27Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:08:28Ryan Clark?

  But I need the things I've seen J.J. McCarthy do.

• 1:08:31Speaker 07

  McCarthy is, his comp to me was Kirk Cousins.

• 1:08:33Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, it makes it easy.

• 1:08:35Speaker 07

  He'll step in right away and play good.

• 1:08:36Ryan Clark?

  But I also asked him though, okay. You know, we see like Kirk Cousins back end of his career, who he's become. Would you draft Kirk Cousins in the top five at the time? So now it's like, would you draft Kirk Cousins in the top 10 if you knew he'd become this quarterback? This quarterback also hasn't won, been one playoff game.

• 1:08:54Speaker 07

  Right.

• 1:08:54Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:55Ryan Clark?

  Right, this quarterback has had.

• 1:08:56Channing Crowder?

  He's folded in the playoffs, yes, good regular seasons, folded in the playoffs.

• 1:09:01Ryan Clark?

  So.

• 1:09:02Channing Crowder?

  Do you think that Harbaugh amping him up helped him?

• 1:09:05Speaker 07

  Yes, yeah, yeah.

• 1:09:06Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 1:09:07Speaker 07

  Because Harbaugh is respected, Harbaugh is highly thought of.

• 1:09:10Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:10Fred Taylor?

  No, he's even at his pro day, he talked about how good he was as a quarterback.

• 1:09:16Ryan Clark?

  Best throwing day he's seen.

• 1:09:17Speaker 07

  He said it was the best pro day he's ever been.

• 1:09:19Fred Taylor?

  So I mean, you think teams are hearing that.

• 1:09:21Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:09:21Fred Taylor?

  I mean, with the respect that follows Harbaugh, so we'll see.

• 1:09:27Speaker 07

  He says team for tabs.

• 1:09:29Fred Taylor?

  I think it's, it'll be interesting, the next pick. What do the Jets do? They go O-line for?

• 1:09:35Speaker 07

  Care for Penn State, do they go Brock Bowers?

• 1:09:38Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I think that's interesting. But honestly, 12 and 13 are gonna tell the tale of the.

• 1:09:44Fred Taylor?

  The rest of the first round.

• 1:09:45Ryan Clark?

  Of the rest of the draft.

• 1:09:46Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 1:09:47Ryan Clark?

  Because it's, if the Raiders don't get a first round quarterback, is Gardner Minshew their starting quarterback?

• 1:09:54Speaker 07

  They'd have no other choice.

• 1:09:56Ryan Clark?

  You see what I mean? Like, that's the position.

• 1:09:58Speaker 07

  Brock Bowers is a monster.

• 1:10:00Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, Brock Bowers.

• 1:10:01Speaker 07

  I love Brock Bowers.

• 1:10:02Ryan Clark?

  He's also got very bad mill.

• 1:10:05Fred Taylor?

  So who's remaining? What quarterback is remaining that might?

• 1:10:10Ryan Clark?

  He got old fans.

• 1:10:11Fred Taylor?

  That might be interesting.

• 1:10:17Fred Taylor?

  Man.

• 1:10:21Channing Crowder?

  That's crazy.

• 1:10:26Ryan Clark?

  He knew that.

• 1:10:27Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, that's crazy.

• 1:10:28Fred Taylor?

  But it's an extreme need.

• 1:10:30Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:30Fred Taylor?

  It's easier.

• 1:10:31Channing Crowder?

  I understand, but to say that shit a half an hour ago was wild.

• 1:10:35Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:36Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, yeah, that's why Dan is Dan.

• 1:10:38Speaker 07

  I'm not just a pretty face, Chan.

• 1:10:40Channing Crowder?

  You're a beautiful man.

• 1:10:41Speaker 07

  No big deal.

• 1:10:44Speaker 07

  Dude, you know what's crazy? I sent out a tweet.

• 1:10:46Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:48Speaker 07

  Probably like mid-October during a Michigan game. I said, "J.J. McCarthy is gonna look amazing as a Viking next year." I gotta find it.

• 1:10:56Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, go find it. If you typed it, it'll come up. Unless you put a lot of J.J. McCarthy stuff out.

• 1:11:03Speaker 07

  Tweets.

• 1:11:04Channing Crowder?

  Dan be tweeting his ass out, though.

• 1:11:07Ryan Clark?

  Well, he does a lot of videos.

• 1:11:08Channing Crowder?

  Man, let me show you the shit.

• 1:11:10Speaker 07

  I gotta see.

• 1:11:11Channing Crowder?

  Where the camera at?

• 1:11:12Ryan Clark?

  It should pop up, Dan.

• 1:11:13Channing Crowder?

  I gotta show Dan what athletes can do.

• 1:11:16Speaker 07

  Yeah, here it is.

• 1:11:17Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, now you gotta just retweet it.

• 1:11:21Ryan Clark?

  Dan, he's about to do your...

• 1:11:23Speaker 07

  November 11th.

• 1:11:24Channing Crowder?

  Y'all got me? You got me, KK. Let me go over here so Dan can see what athletes can do.

• 1:11:31Channing Crowder?

  So what was it, Dan? You can't grab your ankle.

• 1:11:34Speaker 07

  So, no, you gotta grab an ankle and then stand up.

• 1:11:38Channing Crowder?

  Go the other way. So you can't grab one ankle.

• 1:11:42Speaker 07

  No, you gotta grab one ankle.

• 1:11:44Channing Crowder?

  Put your other foot up here.

• 1:11:45Speaker 07

  Yep, and stand up.

• 1:11:48Ryan Clark?

  Hold on, wait, wait.

• 1:11:48Speaker 07

  No, your foot touched the ground. Your foot touched the ground, Jason Momoa.

• 1:11:53Channing Crowder?

  You can't jump?

• 1:11:54Speaker 07

  No, your foot touched the ground, Jason Momoa.

• 1:12:01Channing Crowder?

  I look, what's Aquabank's name?

• 1:12:04Ryan Clark?

  Jason Momoa.

• 1:12:05Channing Crowder?

  That's what people always tell me that I look like Jason Momoa.

• 1:12:08Ryan Clark?

  No, you don't.

• 1:12:11Ryan Clark?

  You don't.

• 1:12:12Channing Crowder?

  Grab you with that goddamn aqua outfit on? So grab this ankle.

• 1:12:17Ryan Clark?

  And stand up on the other leg.

• 1:12:19Channing Crowder?

  Put this foot on the ground.

• 1:12:25Ryan Clark?

  Come on.

• 1:12:26Channing Crowder?

  So I can't.

• 1:12:28Ryan Clark?

  You talked all that stuff.

• 1:12:29Channing Crowder?

  I know, and I was about to do it. I did it one time at the house, but I was drinking. So maybe my knees were better. So grab this foot.

• 1:12:36Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:12:38Channing Crowder?

  Okay, put this back.

• 1:12:40Ryan Clark?

  I don't think people who have wieners can do it.

• 1:12:42Channing Crowder?

  Put this foot on the ground. And now stand up.

• 1:12:45Ryan Clark?

  Stand up.

• 1:12:45Channing Crowder?

  Without this foot touching the ground.

• 1:12:47Ryan Clark?

  Correct. Without anything touching the ground but that foot.

• 1:12:52Ryan Clark?

  You can't do it. I should have bet you so much money. You sounded like me with your costume.

• 1:12:58Channing Crowder?

  Bro, that shit ain't keep me that hard, goddamn, man. One more time.

• 1:13:02Ryan Clark?

  You can't do it. You're not even close to doing it. Yeah, you haven't even.

• 1:13:05Channing Crowder?

  Ryan.

• 1:13:06Ryan Clark?

  I'm not finna get on my knees for no men, so it don't matter to me.

• 1:13:10Channing Crowder?

  Shit, okay.

• 1:13:13Channing Crowder?

  Put this foot on the ground.

• 1:13:14Ryan Clark?

  You ask that question every time, yes.

• 1:13:18Ryan Clark?

  Yup.

• 1:13:19Channing Crowder?

  Oh, my hamstring.

• 1:13:28Ryan Clark?

  You stupid, man. That thing lock up on you?

• 1:13:32Channing Crowder?

  That bitch off my mind, man.

• 1:13:33Ryan Clark?

  Bro, the only people I've seen do it are my wife and my daughter.

• 1:13:37Channing Crowder?

  So if you got, if you got, if you got gonads.

• 1:13:40Ryan Clark?

  I don't think, I don't think it's for you. Unless you're like.

• 1:13:44Channing Crowder?

  Like a gymnast or some shit. Yeah, yeah.

• 1:13:47Ryan Clark?

  I'm pretty sure it's not a testicle thing.

• 1:13:52Channing Crowder?

  It's a testicle thing. Hold on, let me loosen my hamstring one time.

• 1:13:56Ryan Clark?

  Dio. Yeah.

• 1:13:57Channing Crowder?

  One more time.

• 1:13:58Ryan Clark?

  And I didn't know you got your start doing something on Good Morning Football, bro. Yeah. Tell me about how that happened. And, cause I know you would do the stuff at the house.

• 1:14:09Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:09Ryan Clark?

  On Twitter. How did the Good Morning Football thing come about?

• 1:14:15Channing Crowder?

  Fookus, can I touch my knee?

• 1:14:18Ryan Clark?

  Sure. He's been terrible the entire time for it. Fred, this guy's, you, you, you got an ACL brace?

• 1:14:25Channing Crowder?

  Nah, that's what he needs.

• 1:14:26Ryan Clark?

  But he ain't even close.

• 1:14:31Channing Crowder?

  So I can touch my knee?

• 1:14:32Ryan Clark?

  Sure.

• 1:14:38Speaker 07

  You're not even close.

• 1:14:40Fred Taylor?

  Yup. Gotta protect Rod Regan.

• 1:14:43Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's the right pick for the Jets.

• 1:14:45Fred Taylor?

  Gotta protect Rogers.

• 1:14:45Speaker 07

  Yeah, man. I started doing a couple of breakdowns on social media, RC. Posting them on Twitter, kind of very similar to what I still do now. And Schrager DM'd me on Twitter and said, "Yo, would you come and do this on television?"

• 1:15:02Speaker 07

  On live TV? I said, "Absolutely." So I would just like drive up to the Good Morning Football studio in Manhattan. And the first one we did, um, like it was a telesherry tape, it wasn't a touchscreen. I don't think they had the touchscreen capabilities back then.

• 1:15:18Ryan Clark?

  Bro, you're like you were just pointing at people.

• 1:15:20Speaker 07

  Yeah, that's what it was essentially. Just slowed down video, pointing at people. And then it like went from there and it went good the first time. And he was like, "Would you come back and do it again?" I'm like, "For sure." So I did that probably like eight times, but I got another message late from him like, I think the morning of Memorial Day. We're having a big Memorial Day party at our family. Broncos pick us in. Um, and he's like, "Can you come to do, you know, this tomorrow? Or tape on this tomorrow?" And I said, "Yeah." I had to spend eight hours that day because like back then I had to tell them like, "Hey, eight seconds into the video, I need you to freeze it here. And what you're gonna do is like circle this guy. And as you circle this guy, get an arrow from that guy.

• 1:16:02Speaker 07

  And then let it play for three seconds and freeze it for 14 seconds as you do this." So it took so long to create the videos, six years ago or so. You know, so that was the first time I was on TV.

• 1:16:13Ryan Clark?

  Did you start the next year at ESPN?

• 1:16:16Speaker 07

  I started that, uh, that fall at ESPN.

• 1:16:18Ryan Clark?

  Okay.

• 1:16:18Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah. That was, that was like, uh, spring of 18, I started fall of 18 at ESPN.

• 1:16:24Ryan Clark?

  That suit was so bad, bro.

• 1:16:26Speaker 07

  It looked like Drake Mays, right?

• 1:16:27Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, that was, and that was like, that was 240 Dan suit on 200 pound Dan.

• 1:16:31Speaker 07

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. The suits have definitely tightened up, size-wise.

• 1:16:37Channing Crowder?

  Dan, are you surprised where you're at right now? National TV, doing what you're doing?

• 1:16:41Speaker 07

  Totally, man. I say this all the time. Like, I have no business being here. Like, I... Sometimes it's a problem, though. Like, you know, sometimes you... I lose sight of it. You know, and I forget, like, "Oh, I'm on TV. I can't just say anything," or "I can't just tweet out anything," or... You know, so it's like, I don't view myself in that way, you know? I just don't view myself that way, but I try to be a little bit more aware of it, but Denver's gotta take Bonex. They have no other choice. This is... I gotta be very aware, in my job, on a daily basis, on ESPN, who's very much so in a relationship with the NFL, of how I talk about quarterbacks.

• 1:17:24Speaker 07

  I was a backup quarterback for 12 years. So like, I don't think it does me, or the league, or its quarterbacks, or ESPN, any good to just go on and bash quarterbacks. "This guy sucks." Every... Like, fans always be like, "You're such a quarterback coddler."

• 1:17:42Speaker 07

  Me, being a backup quarterback, I don't have the clout to go on and tell everybody that this dude sucked. Like, it doesn't... That serves nothing, you know what I'm saying? So I just have to be... But I also have to do my job and say if a guy played bad, or did... But like, I try to be very conscious of like, "Okay, why did the bad play happen?" Rather than, "He sucks," you know? And so, I try to be very conscious of that, just because I'm very aware of what I was as a player. Um, but yeah, I would have never...

• 1:18:12Speaker 07

  Never. I mean, dude, I was at an event this morning, and Jerome Bettis came up to me and was like, "Man, I love watching you. You're so..." And I'm like...

• 1:18:26Speaker 07

  You're Jerome Bettis. Bro, I grew up watching you.

• 1:18:29Speaker 07

  You're Jerome Bettis, you know? You know, and it's just, uh... That... Those moments are always just so outrageous to me. They're so outrageous to me, like... When I was... Like, when you see guys and they say stuff to you, like, "Yo, you're like... You're in the Holy Fame." You're a legend.

• 1:18:47Channing Crowder?

  I got with, uh... We were at that tournament. I'm a honorary Steeler now. Steeler? Yeah, I'm honorary Steeler. With RC and Joey Porter. He's family. So now Lamar Woodley, Wood was at the comedy show the other night. I'm cool with C. Hamp, Foot, Pot, all the Steelers, right? So, I'll say, Dan, I might have been drinking, and I met Jerome Bettis. And Jerome, a little bigger now than he used to be. I knew you were gonna say something stupid. What did you say to him?

• 1:19:25Channing Crowder?

  So I said, and Peasy Porter went up the bus, and then, everybody calls him Bussy. So, I'm just still nickname, so I'm still nickname. So, he called you D.O., now you D.O. to me because I just heard Ryan say it. So, he said, "Bussy, what's up?" And I've been drinking. And I said, "Damn, Bussy, you're a double-decker now."

• 1:19:50Channing Crowder?

  Oh, my gosh, too.

• 1:19:53Channing Crowder?

  How?

• 1:19:58Channing Crowder?

  Dan, it was just... You said he wanted a bus that you took to Chicago with? Yeah. And he said it was... There was a little lady on top with a microphone. Compared to what I watched him do on the field, I said, "Bussy, you're a double-decker now." And he didn't smile. But... So, two Notre Dame guys, Joe Hoke and Jerome Bettis, don't like you? Why don't Notre Dame people like you? What'd he say back to you? He literally looked at me and started another conversation. I would've good for Jerome.

• 1:20:27Channing Crowder?

  I, but I've seen Bussy since then. Because he's cool with it. Yeah, we saw him at the golf tournament years later. I thought he looked good. He's smaller now than he was when he played.

• 1:20:39Channing Crowder?

  Wow.

• 1:20:41Channing Crowder?

  He was a double-decker when I saw him at the golf tournament. This guy's ridiculous.

• 1:20:44Fred Taylor?

  So, Sean Payton.

• 1:20:46Channing Crowder?

  Gotta be Bo Nix, dude.

• 1:20:47Fred Taylor?

  He's never drafted a quarterback in the first two rounds.

• 1:20:50Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 1:20:50Fred Taylor?

  But the sense of urgency to go after Nix, you think is a good pick for the Broncos?

• 1:20:55Speaker 07

  12 is high for Bo Nix, in my opinion, but I do, there are elements of him that I like. Bo Nix, yeah. There are elements of it, he's not, I think, most of America, here's Bo Nix and they think of the young dude that ran around at Auburn, it was like,

• 1:21:11Ryan Clark?

  Yes.

• 1:21:11Speaker 07

  You know, like every play had to be this throw it behind my back touchdown, oh my gosh type of thing. He's not that anymore, he's way more developed, he's way more refined, he's way cleaner. You know, I think like the best case scenario is he becomes like Andy Dalton, who was a good starting quarterback for a long time. You know, he's really smart, I think he's got really good ball placement on short throws, super athletic, can make plays down the field, but he's way more under control, you know, seeing, like you're seeing highlights now of him just running around, like this is literally what people I think believe Bo Nix is. And he's not, he's still gifted like this, he

• 1:21:55Speaker 07

  just doesn't make the boneheaded mistakes like it.

• 1:21:58Ryan Clark?

  How do you assess growth?

• 1:22:01Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:22:02Ryan Clark?

  We talked about it with Jayden, right? Jayden had, he looked like he had that Heisman potential as a freshman, it kind of leveled off in the middle of his career, now he wins the Heisman as a fifth year player, as opposed to seeing a guy like Caleb, who was a stud from the first time you saw him, but never necessarily fixed some of the problems that he had, had young. For Bo Nix, there has to be credit given for where he came from at Auburn, to where he finishes at Oregon.

• 1:22:32Speaker 07

  He's a, very much so a different player, maturity and then, you know, I think a little bit too, RC, there is the benefit for some of these guys of like, The COVID year ends up giving them an extra year of college in many ways, an extra year of development, an extra year of growth. And I think, you know, he took advantage of it. Pennix took advantage of it. Jayden took advantage of it, you know, and like, there is something to be said for that, for sure.

• 1:22:57Fred Taylor?

  So what about the different conferences and the level of competition? Auburn, SEC, then he goes to Oregon. That's the Pac-12, a little bit more front and gun.

• 1:23:07Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:23:07Fred Taylor?

  Low softer defenses.

• 1:23:09Speaker 07

  Sure.

• 1:23:09Fred Taylor?

  You don't have the LSU defenses or the Bamas or the Georgias. Did that help him in his stock in this draft?

• 1:23:16Speaker 07

  Yeah, I think so. I mean, it certainly helped him go play, you know, at a more consistent level. You know, like dude, I can't imagine how hard it is to go to the SEC and play as a young kid, a quarterback, especially at Auburn when you're not, you know, pumping out skilled players on the perimeter.

• 1:23:31Fred Taylor?

  Right, running the ball too.

• 1:23:32Speaker 07

  Right, you know, so, um, yeah, I think going to the Pac-12 and getting to a different offense and having a little bit more talent around them, like it helped him become a different style of quarterback.

• 1:23:42Ryan Clark?

  So Dan, right now, man, you know, I ask you to be here, one, because I wanted people to hear some of your personal story. That was most important to me, but nobody knows quarterbacks and studies them the way you do. When you look at the way, all, now this is six quarterbacks, bro, by 12.

• 1:23:58Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:23:58Ryan Clark?

  That's a historic run.

• 1:24:00Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:24:01Ryan Clark?

  On quarterbacks. When you look at this draft, what's your overall thought about what stands out the most?

• 1:24:08Speaker 07

  Caleb's in a great situation because of how solid Chicago's football team is. I think Jayden's in a good place because of the skill, talent. They gotta get a better offensive line and their defense is gonna have to play a lot better. I think the most interesting part of that connection, Cliff Kingsbury.

• 1:24:22Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:24:23Speaker 07

  And how he's different than he was with Kyler Murray. If he tries to do this, only the same stuff that he did with Kyler, then there's, you're setting Jayden up to struggle more than he should. Drake May going to New England is really good, only if, only if, he does not see the field in meaningful games till at least 2025. Ooh, what?

• 1:24:45Channing Crowder?

  They don't have a tight end. Bro, that's a bad man.

• 1:24:48Speaker 07

  No, they do. They just took Michael Mayer from Notre Dame last year.

• 1:24:51Channing Crowder?

  Oh, last year. Sure did. The second round.

• 1:24:53Speaker 07

  Early in the second round?

• 1:24:54Channing Crowder?

  Early in the second round. Brock Bowers is a bad man.

• 1:24:56Speaker 07

  I know, but like...

• 1:24:57Channing Crowder?

  They went best player on the board.

• 1:24:59Speaker 07

  Yeah, probably.

• 1:25:00Channing Crowder?

  They went best player on the board.

• 1:25:01Fred Taylor?

  Devante a little bit of...

• 1:25:03Channing Crowder?

  What kind of...

• 1:25:04Fred Taylor?

  If you double Devante, then you got a tight end that's gonna be streaking out.

• 1:25:07Speaker 07

  They got two now.

• 1:25:08Channing Crowder?

  What about his hair?

• 1:25:08Fred Taylor?

  Two.

• 1:25:09Channing Crowder?

  Oh, he's male patterned.

• 1:25:10Speaker 07

  They took Michael Mayer from Notre Dame last year early.

• 1:25:12Channing Crowder?

  You're right.

• 1:25:13Fred Taylor?

  With the way the game has changed, I think those tight ends...

• 1:25:15Channing Crowder?

  They become slot receivers. That's what this is.

• 1:25:18Speaker 07

  No, this dude's...

• 1:25:18Channing Crowder?

  But this dude's also special.

• 1:25:19Speaker 07

  This dude's everything. He's a blocker.

• 1:25:22Channing Crowder?

  You think he can block?

• 1:25:24Speaker 07

  Oh, big time. Yeah, he's physical, dude.

• 1:25:25Channing Crowder?

  When I think of receivers and blockers, like George Kittle always pops in my mind. He does both. Bowers can be a George Kittle type guy? Yes.

• 1:25:33Speaker 07

  Oh, yeah. And I think he's a better... He's a more versatile passer. I think he's... You remember, um... It reminds me a little bit about us... More physical, but Chris Cooley?

• 1:25:42Channing Crowder?

  Yep.

• 1:25:42Speaker 07

  From Cooley.

• 1:25:43Channing Crowder?

  I played with Chris Cooley.

• 1:25:44Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 1:25:44Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, that's when CP was there. Porter. Yeah. He got a little more burst than Cooley.

• 1:25:49Speaker 07

  I was gonna say, like, what Drake made only matters if he doesn't play in real games till 25. Like, meaningful games, at least. He's gotta sit for at least a year and work on his mechanics. Um, the Pennix one is still very odd to me, if I'm being honest. Like, I don't... I don't get that one. I gotta see the tie, and maybe they know something about Kirk's Achilles now that... I don't know, like... That one makes no sense to me. Um, and then JJ to Minnesota. I would put JJ as the frontrunner for Offensive Rookie of the Year in Minnesota. I just think it's the best place to go by far. And then...

• 1:26:22Channing Crowder?

  Over Jayden and Caleb?

• 1:26:25Speaker 07

  Yeah.

• 1:26:26Channing Crowder?

  Wow.

• 1:26:27Speaker 07

  Their offensive line is top six in the league. O'Connell's great. Those two receivers are freaks.

• 1:26:32Channing Crowder?

  And they're receivers number one in the league.

• 1:26:33Speaker 07

  Hendrickson's a freak.

• 1:26:34Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:34Speaker 07

  They got, um, um... Who'd they get from Green Bay?

• 1:26:41Speaker 07

  Tailback.

• 1:26:41Ryan Clark?

  This year, they got Aaron Jones.

• 1:26:43Speaker 07

  Aaron Jones, like, they're loaded.

• 1:26:46Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:26:46Speaker 07

  And then I think Knicks is in a good place. I just don't know if it's gonna be, you know, like, Denver's not super talented on the perimeter. They got Courtland, you know, so.

• 1:26:54Ryan Clark?

  Yeah. Well, D O, man, I appreciate your time, bro. I appreciate you opening up and sharing with me. You know, I love you, my dog.

• 1:27:01Speaker 07

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• 1:27:01Ryan Clark?

  Thank you. Yeah, I saw you. You was on the verge, dawg. You farted, dawg.

• 1:27:06Speaker 07

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• 1:27:08Ryan Clark?

  You farted.

• 1:27:10Channing Crowder?

  I love it, boy. Can I hold that sweater?

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• 1:28:13Speaker 07

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• 1:28:15Ryan Clark?

  It's one of those things, man. Like, you just never can tell. Oh, what up, though?

• 1:28:18Channing Crowder?

  Uh-oh. Yes, sir.

• 1:28:20Ryan Clark?

  Good.

• 1:28:21Channing Crowder?

  Uh-huh. Well. Good with you.

• 1:28:22Ryan Clark?

  Congrats, my boy. Be careful now. Listen, we can't get you off of the seat.

• 1:28:26Channing Crowder?

  I'm gonna call him Lee because the chain tells me to call him Lee.

• 1:28:29Ryan Clark?

  See, right there, my dog.

• 1:28:29Channing Crowder?

  RC, I think he got you.

• 1:28:32Ryan Clark?

  No, no, he played.

• 1:28:33Channing Crowder?

  I think he got you, bro.

• 1:28:34Ryan Clark?

  Okay, okay. Lee, don't get it.

• 1:28:36Speaker 07

  Clean, clean, you be clean, though.

• 1:28:37Ryan Clark?

  Okay, my dog.

• 1:28:38Speaker 07

  But today, I think I'm not.

• 1:28:39Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, he clean today.

• 1:28:40Channing Crowder?

  He got Louis. Any goddamn ankle's lotion.

• 1:28:43Speaker 08

  Hold on, hold on.

• 1:28:47Ryan Clark?

  First of all, man, I'm happy for you. Congratulations. More than anything, I'm proud of you. I got to meet you going into your senior year. And not a lot of people know that story. How difficult that year for you, that LSU didn't offer you until late. You were headed to Mississippi State. How good does it feel for all of your hard work to end off with you, you know, being a top six pick to the New York Giants?

• 1:29:09Speaker 08

  A big breather, I would say, you know. Had to fight through a lot of, you know, obstacles. I feel like I went through those obstacles for a reason. If I would have never went through those obstacles, I probably wouldn't be here today. Probably would have went to Mississippi State and we didn't know the outcome of that. But, you know, all the things that I've been through in life, it led me to this day here. So thankful to God that, you know, I got this opportunity to be here today. You know, that's a lot of people still waiting to get their name called. I'm happy mine got selected, so, you know, blessed to the man up above for that.

• 1:29:34Channing Crowder?

  Bro, what did you know? Did you know anything? Did you know top 10? Did you know top anything? Because that shit gotta be stressful. We was sitting here watching you ride on TV when you got drafted, but that shit could have been 20 minutes. That shit could have been two hours.

• 1:29:46Speaker 08

  Right. You know, I kept hearing, "I'm not getting past top eight." So they was telling me, "Anybody after, uh, four, you know, you make them pay when you play them." So it was just whoever passed me up after that is war after that.

• 1:30:00Fred Taylor?

  You have an opportunity to, uh, almost follow in another, um, LSU Tiger, one of your alum footsteps, OBJ. You're headed to New York City. How excited are you about that opportunity?

• 1:30:12Speaker 08

  Very excited, you know. There's gonna be a lot of, you know, weight on my shoulders for sure, but there's no weight that's never been on my shoulders my whole life. So, you know, when I find, you know, when I'm able to put my mind to something, you know, I'm able to do it. So just hoping to be the best teammate I could possibly be, you know, go to that organization, be the best person, um, get in the community and be a great athlete for them.

• 1:30:31Ryan Clark?

  You know, I love to, I love to hear that, but I'm gonna talk about the real. Whenever I get a chance to tell people why I thought Malik Neighbors was the best wide receiver in the draft, it was about a mentality, right? You know, like, we from the boot, we see it differently.

• 1:30:45Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:30:46Ryan Clark?

  And there ain't no winning and getting through adversity where we from without having some dog in you.

• 1:30:51Speaker 08

  Right.

• 1:30:51Ryan Clark?

  I remember seeing you run the 40 after having a year where I felt like you should have won the Belit in the coffin. You said, "Stop playing with me."

• 1:30:57Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:30:58Ryan Clark?

  What is it about what you've been through and how you feel about the game that makes you approach it the way you do?

• 1:31:04Speaker 08

  I would say, you know, because this game could have been ticking for me, you know, early, you know, a lot of different times. So when I'm out there on the field, bro, it's like, the mentality that I have is, I'm gonna fuck you over. Like, when I get that opportunity, I'mma, I'mma do it. Because, you know, a person gonna do it to me. So if I can do it to you before you do it to me a hundred times on the field before you can get that one, I'mma keep doing it every time, like, I'm not gonna stop. It is what it is, because that one time is gonna happen to me, it's gonna be pushed and talked about more than anything. So if I got the ups, I got the ups. That's just how it is. I'm hoping to have the ups every time.

• 1:31:37Ryan Clark?

  I love it.

• 1:31:38Channing Crowder?

  Bro, you ready for the market? New York, New York is, like Freddie T just talked about it, New York is the biggest media market. Everything is up there. You gonna be across the river from Ryan working every day, because Ryan be over there every day. Like, are you ready for the market? I love the boot, but it's not New York.

• 1:31:56Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:31:56Channing Crowder?

  LSU is not New York. Are you ready for that market?

• 1:31:59Speaker 08

  I got a nice smile, so, I got a nice style, so, yeah, I'm ready.

• 1:32:05Fred Taylor?

  You'll have two games this season where you get an opportunity to play against your quarterback.

• 1:32:09Speaker 08

  Right.

• 1:32:09Fred Taylor?

  Can we get any early predictions, just something for fun?

• 1:32:12Speaker 08

  You know, when we walk out that tunnel, me and him, since we on different sides, we know it's time to talk shit now. You know, we didn't talk shit with other people now, so it's time to talk shit with each other. You know, having that guy, you know, as a teammate, you know, he's a great leader, a great person to be around. Um, you know, I probably wouldn't have the year I had without him, you know, by him pushing me every day at practice, by him waking me up in the morning to go watch film. I'm having my back through it all, so just having that guy in my corner, you know, has been the best. So, you know, going against him is gonna be, is gonna be fun. You know, we got a bet going for Rookie of the Year.

• 1:32:44Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 1:32:45Speaker 08

  Whoever, whoever lost, whoever lose gotta pay, uh, I think it's 10,000 cash.

• 1:32:49Fred Taylor?

  Oh, boy.

• 1:32:50Speaker 08

  Yeah, it's a big bet.

• 1:32:51Ryan Clark?

  That's light.

• 1:32:51Speaker 08

  It's light.

• 1:32:52Ryan Clark?

  So, so, when... Did y'all make that, did y'all make that bet before the draft?

• 1:32:56Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:32:57Ryan Clark?

  You can only make that bet when you know you going top eight.

• 1:32:59Speaker 08

  Yeah.

• 1:33:00Ryan Clark?

  Because 10...

• 1:33:01Channing Crowder?

  You don't make that bet and you might fall in the draft.

• 1:33:05Fred Taylor?

  So win, lose, or draw, are you looking forward to the jersey swap? I mean, that gotta be a big moment for you.

• 1:33:11Speaker 08

  Oh, it's gonna be a great moment. Having that LSU, you know, that LSU legendary status when you going into the league and seeing your brother across that you play with. Y'all guys finally, you know, accomplished your dreams. So having that brother two times a year on the game day, you know, able to talk shit, able to, you know, share jersey swaps with him, you know. I'm so, you know, that jersey gonna mean a lot to me and him for sure.

• 1:33:34Ryan Clark?

  The, it's just different, you know, they, you know, these, both of these guys went to Florida. Uh, you know, Chance from Georgia, Freddie T is from Florida. So many of us grow up wanting to play in that stadium. And there's now a lineage at your position. There's a legacy at the wide receiver position at LSU. You know, Odell Beckham Jr. And Jarvis Landry, they both went for a band, had great, in one season, had great professional careers. Now Justin Jefferson and Jamar Chase, maybe the best receiver in the league, and Justin Jefferson, top three, and Jamar Chase. You have an opportunity along with Brian Thomas to continue the legacy of great wide receiver play in the NFL.

• 1:34:18Ryan Clark?

  How important is it for you to represent, uh, wide receiver type shit?

• 1:34:23Speaker 08

  Very important, you know, I got that, I got that tatted on me. And I mean, I meant that when I got it tatted on me, it was something that I started and it's something that I wanted to finish. You know, I wasn't leaving that school just because a new coach came in or anything. It was a legendary, you know, thing that we had going on there. So if I got brought there into it, I was gonna wear it with honor. So just like I wear those colors with honor, you know. This wide receiver type shit gonna mean a lot when you make it into the league because they, they hold it high with those guys, you know, how they play. So, you know, I know there's gonna be a lot on my shoulders for that, but I'm like that.

• 1:34:54Channing Crowder?

  I need clarification. You have a tattoo that says what?

• 1:34:58Speaker 08

  Wide receiver type shit.

• 1:35:01Channing Crowder?

  What is the wide receiver type shit?

• 1:35:03Ryan Clark?

  So anytime you see like Justin and Jamar and all those guys, whenever they post anything, it'd be hashtag W R T S.

• 1:35:12Channing Crowder?

  That's what that means.

• 1:35:13Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:35:14Channing Crowder?

  And you got a tattoo on here that says. Y'all real about that LSU stuff.

• 1:35:19Speaker 08

  That shit, that shit real, like I hold that shit real.

• 1:35:21Channing Crowder?

  I like, I like Florida.

• 1:35:25Channing Crowder?

  My boys is crazy.

• 1:35:27Fred Taylor?

  And he just said he's like that. I don't even know if he know. Your coach might be bumping that in his headphones during practice. Y'all got a real one. You gotta be excited to be getting ready to go play for Coach Dayball.

• 1:35:41Speaker 08

  Oh yeah, you know, I know he didn't turn a lot of great receivers. I'm not gonna say average players into great, but you know, receivers into great receivers. So just having that person, you know, he loves, he likes my dog mentality. He likes the way that I move around, you know, I'm so, you know, he has a great plan to give me the football to let me show my skill set when I'm out there on the field.

• 1:36:00Channing Crowder?

  Hey man, how much that train hit you for?

• 1:36:04Channing Crowder?

  Tell him stop pocket watching, man. Lee, tell him stop pocket watching. Listen, want me to go on the internet? I know what he about to get.

• 1:36:11Speaker 08

  You know what's crazy? A lot of people don't know that this Cuban is actually from a New York Jeweler.

• 1:36:17Channing Crowder?

  So you already had a New York connect? We had Glorilla on.

• 1:36:22Fred Taylor?

  Is that a Cuban or a Curb?

• 1:36:24Channing Crowder?

  A Curb.

• 1:36:26Channing Crowder?

  We ain't got Curb's no Curb's, man. We got this one Cuban.

• 1:36:29Ryan Clark?

  My, my, my last thing for you, man. What is it like to share this moment with your family?

• 1:36:34Speaker 08

  It means a lot, you know, we shared tears in this restaurant. You know, last night I went around the table and I spoke about, you know, all the people that was here at the table was here for a reason. Everybody that was sitting with me at the draft or they got the opportunity to come with me here was for a reason. So I shared a story that, you know, a lot of, a lot of them probably thought I forgot or didn't know. So a lot of key moments in my past that they have helped me when I was a child. They helped my mother when she ain't have, you know, they helped me when I didn't have school clothes to go to school. So it was just the little things that mattered to me when I was a kid that led to this moment. So the little things that counted for me rather than the big things, because the small things is something that they do that it might not seem like it's big, but it's a little thing that brought me here today.

• 1:37:18Speaker 08

  So let's share the story about, you know, why everybody was here at the table. So to spend that night with them, you know, they been crying all week, crying all month to hear my name. So I'm just living it up with them.

• 1:37:28Ryan Clark?

  I couldn't be happier for you, Raul. I love the way you play the game, but more importantly, I love the way you carry yourself. As a young man, and like the thing I just want to tell you is everything that those people poured into you and sacrificed, make it worth it, right? 10 years from now, let those people look at you and tell you about the moment y'all shared last night. About how much that meant to them and about how much it means that you carried on that legacy that you made sure you made them right. Man, much love to you, bro. I appreciate you. Go do your thing, boy.

• 1:38:00Channing Crowder?

  Yes, sir.

• 1:38:01Speaker 09

  Hey, call me if you come to Miami.

• 1:38:03Ryan Clark?

  Hey, Lee, do not call me.

• 1:38:07Fred Taylor?

  You still think you ready?

• 1:38:09Speaker 09

  Yeah, I'm ready now.

• 1:38:14Ryan Clark?

  What big, I love it.

• 1:38:17Fred Taylor?

  How many, how many years I had to hear, "Oh, I'm ready for you"?

• 1:38:21Speaker 09

  Probably it's about my like eight.

• 1:38:25Speaker 09

  I was just talking with Travis.

• 1:38:26Fred Taylor?

  Nah, you talking a lot of trash. But you here now, man. What, what, how, how was that? What, what was the feeling like?

• 1:38:33Speaker 09

  It was a lot of emotions, you know, but it was definitely a blessing, you know, just a good experience, you know, just an experience with my family, just knowing that the time and investment that they put into me and my, me and my brother, you know, is paying off. And so, you know, it's just really just overall real humbling experience too, you know, just to be able to say that I'm in the NFL now, you know, just to, you know, then accomplish my dreams, so, yeah.

• 1:38:55Ryan Clark?

  Measurable is off the charts. A great pass rusher. In this league, in order to win football games, you gotta be able to get at the quarterback. What is the team getting in a player when they get Dallas Turner?

• 1:39:08Speaker 09

  First of all, they're gonna get a, a great person. A great person, a great respectable person too, in the building, a great teammate that you can count on too, but really, uh, just a football example, you know, just a person that, you know, is just all about football, eats, sleeps, and breathes, and so, you know, it's just a person that's willing to learn everything and anything, you know, as fast as I can, you know, to get to where I want to be in the NFL. But really, just, just a good person.

• 1:39:34Channing Crowder?

  Bro, you gave me hell since U-School versus Paris.

• 1:39:39Speaker 09

  A long time ago.

• 1:39:43Channing Crowder?

  Bro, I was coaching defense. They came over and talking about what we gonna do. I said, "I don't know what you gonna do with that big ass dude right there."

• 1:39:50Channing Crowder?

  There's some more people that play, man. But to see the progression, to see the all, everything in high school, to all, everything in college, and come on up and now be at that next level. How do you continue that at this next level? How do you, how do you be a premier pass rusher against the best lineman in the league?

• 1:40:08Speaker 09

  I would probably want to say consistency, you know, and just doing what I've been doing. Got me to where I am at now, so you know, and just surrounding myself around the right people. Uh, you know, having good guys in the locker room, you know, and just really just, uh, willing just to learn and just be great, you know, just work hard no matter what, just go hard, you know? And if I go hard and consistently go hard, you know, everything will fall in place, so.

• 1:40:27Channing Crowder?

  Did you pick that mint?

• 1:40:28Speaker 09

  Yeah, you know, I picked it up.

• 1:40:29Channing Crowder?

  And clean though. Damn clean with the double wipe.

• 1:40:31Fred Taylor?

  I was texting back and forth with your pop, with Dillon throughout the draft. And, uh, sometimes when you're in that green room, there's pressure in there.

• 1:40:41Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 1:40:41Fred Taylor?

  You know, you get the projections, this, that, pre-draft, all that other stuff. And we'll look at those, you know, I think you handled yourself well.

• 1:40:49Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 1:40:49Fred Taylor?

  You know, I'm looking forward to actually seeing you get out there and show the teams that drafted prior to you getting picked, show them what they missed.

• 1:40:57Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 1:40:57Fred Taylor?

  With the, the Vikings, uh, letting go Hunter this offseason, I think you'll get an opportunity to go out there and play early.

• 1:41:05Speaker 09

  Sure.

• 1:41:05Fred Taylor?

  Are you ready?

• 1:41:06Speaker 09

  Oh yeah, I'm definitely ready. I'm, you know, I'm willing to accept any role that I, uh, that I need to take, uh, at the Minnesota Vikings, but you know, I know the culture, you know, I, I took a visit out there and met the coach of the college, I met with question, uh, Brian Flores, but you know, it's, I know the type of culture that they have, if they're in the type of culture that they're trying to establish, but really though, yeah, I'm ready, for sure, I'm ready, you know? Yeah.

• 1:41:25Ryan Clark?

  I like to read, or try to read body language. Will Anderson Jr., one of the best rush ends in the league now, you know, he goes number two.

• 1:41:34Speaker 09

  Hmm.

• 1:41:34Ryan Clark?

  A lot of people expected you to go higher.

• 1:41:37Speaker 09

  Yeah.

• 1:41:37Ryan Clark?

  Right? I can see it on your face that it bothered you. I can see it on your face that you know you're better than where you get picked, although you've already said that's a blessing and it is.

• 1:41:47Speaker 09

  Hmm.

• 1:41:47Ryan Clark?

  How excited are you to show people who you truly are?

• 1:41:52Speaker 09

  I'm definitely excited for sure to go out there, you know, prove a lot of people wrong and stuff like that. It was a little devastating at first, but you know, everything happened for a reason. I'm a firm believer that God puts a lot of things in place and for a certain amount of time, you know, to have it a good end, honestly.

• 1:42:08Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 1:42:09Speaker 09

  So you know, I'm just blessed to be here.

• 1:42:11Fred Taylor?

  You look like you're ready to play now.

• 1:42:13Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, he fired up.

• 1:42:13Fred Taylor?

  I can see it.

• 1:42:14Channing Crowder?

  His legs shaking.

• 1:42:15Fred Taylor?

  I can see it.

• 1:42:16Channing Crowder?

  He fired up.

• 1:42:17Fred Taylor?

  I'm scared.

• 1:42:17Speaker 09

  You know, I'm ready to go to Minnesota tomorrow, so yeah.

• 1:42:20Ryan Clark?

  Just congratulations, man. Freddie T has been talking about you, man, even before the world knew about Dallas Turner and who he was at Alabama. Bro, we are excited. It is truly though, a blessing, man. I love to see, you know, you young brothers' hard work be recognized the way yours was tonight, even though you went to Alabama, right?

• 1:42:41Speaker 09

  Oh, man.

• 1:42:41Ryan Clark?

  And you know.

• 1:42:42Fred Taylor?

  I was looking at him sideways.

• 1:42:44Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you know.

• 1:42:45Channing Crowder?

  Y'all know what he did at LSU in Florida. We watched what he did at LSU in Florida.

• 1:42:52Fred Taylor?

  When he came to a Jaguars game, they got a poster of me here.

• 1:42:57Fred Taylor?

  And he took a picture saying, "He gonna do something to me. I can handle him." And he's been talking like that since he was this big. Like, we talked with Caleb and a couple of other guys. To see him have this dream at this age.

• 1:43:11Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, man.

• 1:43:11Fred Taylor?

  And to be able to see that dream come to fruition, you know, and have an opportunity to continue watching them. We can be old and decrepit, sitting back with our remotes. We'll have an opportunity to see them live out their dreams, much like we had an opportunity to live out our dreams. That's what I love the most about it, you know what I'm saying?

• 1:43:29Channing Crowder?

  I coached against him in high school, and it was like that Leonardo DiCaprio meme. When he came up the air the first time, I was like, "Yep."

• 1:43:38Fred Taylor?

  That's the one.

• 1:43:38Channing Crowder?

  That's what it looked like.

• 1:43:40Fred Taylor?

  We'll see him on Sunday.

• 1:43:41Channing Crowder?

  It's the one right now. We about to see him on Sunday, man. It's cool to see the progression, it's cool to see the growth, bro, and it's all love. I do not want to see you in South Florida, into the club that I frequent. So just know that if I see you in my car, I'm gonna say Dallas, you gotta get out of here.

• 1:43:58Fred Taylor?

  I got you, I got you.

• 1:44:02Fred Taylor?

  Congratulations, brother.

• 1:44:03Ryan Clark?

  Appreciate it, appreciate it.

• 1:44:04Fred Taylor?

  Congrats, dawg. Go do it now. Real talk, man.

• 1:44:09Ryan Clark?

  Freddie T, man, you can't beat that, bro. To see a kid that you knew from a youngin', wanted to be where Dallas Turner is tonight, and for him to believe in himself, that, you know, that had to be awesome for you.

• 1:44:23Fred Taylor?

  Nah, it's amazing, man. It, it, it's sorta surreal. It makes it, it makes what you guys say and tease me about my age. Yeah. It makes it like come right to my doorstep, man. Dallas was a kid, he sorta, he knew what he, what he wanted. You know, he knew he wanted to be on this level in this league. He used to always challenge me. You know, I was still playing ball. And he was young, walking around, "Unc, what's up? You think you can do this?" Like, he would always try me. And, uh, you know, he's developed into this monster of a kid, hell of a player, SEC Defensive Player of the Year.

• 1:44:58Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:58Fred Taylor?

  You know, uh, didn't necessarily go his way based on the projections, but that's okay. Seventeenth pick overall to Minnesota. I think he'll go into a good situation where he can play early and show the people what he, uh, what he can do. So, man, I'm excited for him.

• 1:45:14Ryan Clark?

  I guess the thing I would leave you with, for all the people who didn't get drafted tonight, I know Chan, you know, you expected to go in the first round and win the third. I, I get how disappointing that can be, but it takes all types to make a team, you know, here on, on our team. We got a first-round pick, we got a third-round pick, we have an undrafted free agent. We all did pretty well.

• 1:45:36Fred Taylor?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:45:37Ryan Clark?

  For themselves. And so, you know, Chan, when you think about the guys who didn't get their name called today, and what the next two days will be like for them, what's your thoughts?

• 1:45:48Channing Crowder?

  You just gotta get in the door. Honestly, to yourself, because I'm mad about not going first round. Everybody hears my draft story and they're like, why were you so upset? Because I wanted to go first round, but you went third round. But I wanted to go first round, but I still got in the door. I still made an impact in the league. I still got dudes that Freddie Tees and Marshawn Lynch, dudes that respected me for the game. Get in the door because there are some first round picks today. We had neighbors here.

• 1:46:16Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:17Channing Crowder?

  You know what I'm saying? We had Dallas here, but there are some guys that aren't going to be great in this league.

• 1:46:22Ryan Clark?

  Yep.

• 1:46:22Channing Crowder?

  That's all.

• 1:46:23Ryan Clark?

  They were picked tonight.

• 1:46:23Channing Crowder?

  What's that? That's all, that's all the draft is, is getting in, getting in the door. I do believe, like I said, Dallas is a monster. I think neighbors is a monster. Jacksonville.

• 1:46:33Ryan Clark?

  Brian Thomas.

• 1:46:34Channing Crowder?

  Brian Thomas, bro. That was one of my favorite seats, Rome.

• 1:46:37Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 1:46:38Channing Crowder?

  That we had on the show, bro. They can play.

• 1:46:39Ryan Clark?

  We had, we had Rome and Caleb, they're together.

• 1:46:41Channing Crowder?

  They're right there in Chicago together. So, but now you have to prove it. And that's the thing I tell like after draft night, everybody's excited. But now you have to go play with these grown men. Now you're not playing with 18 to 23 year olds. Now you're playing with grown men that have four mortgages, that have seven kids, that might have three or four divorces.

• 1:47:01Ryan Clark?

  They, they understand their wives.

• 1:47:03Channing Crowder?

  They understand their wives. And that's the thing, when I talk to these, when I go to symposiums and stuff and talk to these kids, I'm like, okay, now you've made it. Now you have to prove that you belong here and all these guys got to prove that they belong there now. First pick to Mr. Irrelevant, to undrafted free agent. You have to prove that you can play and you belong in this league. And that's what these guys got to do moving forward.

• 1:47:25Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I think tonight was amazing. This was something different for us to sit down with Dan, not only talk draft, talk a little bit about his life, which I think is fascinating. And a lot of people don't know to be with Malik Neighbors after he finishes his media requirements after being drafted sixth overall and then Dallas Turner going 17th to the Minnesota Vikings as well. I thought this was cool, man. I, I enjoyed it and you know, just another step for the pivot. So from the first round of the 2024 NFL Draft, we see y'all next Tuesday.

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