The Best Picture Movie Draft

Sean, Amanda, and Chris Ryan gather to draft films that have been awarded Best Picture at the Academy Awards. This time, they select from six categories: 1930s, 1950s, 1970s, 1990s, 2010s, and Best Picture Loser. Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Video Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 0:00Speaker 00

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• 1:45Sean Fennessey?

  I'm Sean Fennessey.

• 1:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm Amanda Dobbins.

• 1:46Sean Fennessey?

  And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about best pictures. Chris Ryan, aka CR, aka the Pod Slut, is here with us. We're drafting.

• 1:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Can we talk about his layers?

• 1:59Speaker 05

  I was trying not to be wearing a jacket in here. It's really cold in this office.

• 2:02Amanda Dobbins?

  It is cold. And it's cold in Los Angeles. Do you think that you're gonna heat over time?

• 2:07Speaker 05

  Maybe. We'll see.

• 2:08Sean Fennessey?

  You're wearing a...

• 2:09Speaker 05

  I'm heating up like this Oscar Reese.

• 2:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Wow. Look at you. A new seat and the new segue king. Here we go.

• 2:17Sean Fennessey?

  This is a slicker?

• 2:18Speaker 05

  It's my Premier League manager coat.

• 2:21Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah, yeah. You're a Jose Mourinho look. Yeah, okay. Okay, are you here to compete today?

• 2:28Speaker 05

  I think so, yeah. My knowledge of cinema history goes back way before the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

• 2:34Sean Fennessey?

  Does it now?

• 2:34Speaker 05

  You know what I mean? Before Heat even, maybe even back to the dawn of cinema itself.

• 2:39Sean Fennessey?

  Would you say that because this is Wellness Week here at The Ringer, and we are technically off all this?

• 2:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, so it's another pre-recorded classic. Everyone buckle up.

• 2:48Sean Fennessey?

  Funny how we keep using drafts for that strategy. Do you think of the Oscars as creating a wellness for you?

• 2:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I was thinking about this on the drive in. I'm back in on the Oscars.

• 2:59Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, wow.

• 3:00Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm excited. I have a positive attitude.

• 3:02Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 3:03Amanda Dobbins?

  I think it helps that the worst movie is probably not gonna win. I think it also helps that we do have a week off kinda dangling in front of us unless I get selected for jury duty. And I know, do you think if I talk about it a lot that that disqualifies me?

• 3:19Sean Fennessey?

  It worked for me, as you may recall.

• 3:21Speaker 05

  Because you're sitting over here, are you doing TikTok hands more? Am I?

• 3:26Amanda Dobbins?

  See, no, you're just looking at me more. That's the thing.

• 3:28Sean Fennessey?

  The attention of the camera.

• 3:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 3:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 3:30Amanda Dobbins?

  What were my TikTok hands?

• 3:32Speaker 05

  Just like that.

• 3:34Amanda Dobbins?

  This?

• 3:34Speaker 05

  You know how girls like on TikTok, they'll be like?

• 3:36Amanda Dobbins?

  I do because I listen to you recap it on the watch, so.

• 3:40Sean Fennessey?

  You love a gal on TikTok, don't you?

• 3:41Speaker 05

  Yeah, some of my favorite gals.

• 3:43Amanda Dobbins?

  So are you actually on TikTok?

• 3:45Speaker 05

  No, I'm on reels. I get it six months later.

• 3:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're also getting some like original two Instagram content, right?

• 3:52Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 3:53Amanda Dobbins?

  That's kinda your demo, is people too old for TikTok.

• 3:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 3:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Who are still trying to make short form videos. Yeah.

• 3:59Sean Fennessey?

  In the Academy Awards race this year, we're currently in the place where voting is closed.

• 4:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 4:05Sean Fennessey?

  But the show is still over a week away.

• 4:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 4:07Sean Fennessey?

  So we don't really know. We're in that nether region. So in an attempt to make content during this period of time, we're doing a draft of Best Picture winners.

• 4:14Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 4:15Sean Fennessey?

  Now, Amanda and I, frankly, to an unhealthy degree, have devoted a lot of our lives and intellectual capital to the Academy Awards in the last seven years. What do you, do you like actually care about the history of the Oscars?

• 4:27Speaker 05

  No, the history of the Oscars and its sort of centrality in American culture for the, for several decades of its, of its existence is like totally fun to me and it's a great night of television. I like watching it.

• 4:39Amanda Dobbins?

  What is the first Oscars that you remember?

• 4:42Speaker 05

  What a wonderful question. It could very well be Rain Man. What year was that?

• 4:46Sean Fennessey?

  1989 for 88.

• 4:48Speaker 05

  That's the one I kind of remember.

• 4:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, and you were, were you watching it at home?

• 4:52Speaker 05

  Yeah, like, I mean, it was always like, I think my dad used to go, if I remember correctly.

• 4:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Really?

• 4:56Speaker 05

  Yeah, sometimes.

• 4:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 4:57Speaker 05

  Yeah, and like, it was a thing, like, it was also like, that this time of year would be like, right before, I guess it would be before my spring break when I was a kid.

• 5:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 5:07Speaker 05

  But he would always be very busy, at least this is why he told me, from Christmas. From like, winter break through like, March or whatever, you know, because doing Oscars.

• 5:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 5:16Sean Fennessey?

  I'm sure you've said this before, but what is, what is your first Oscar memory?

• 5:20Amanda Dobbins?

  I remember Billy Crystal crashing, you know, doing the English Patient plane, which would have been...

• 5:26Sean Fennessey?

  97?

• 5:27Amanda Dobbins?

  97, so we were 13. And then, the year after that was the Titanic Good Will Hunting year, 97 into 98. And that was also like, the Matt and Ben press tour year. So, you know, like, I was like, taping that Oprah special on VHS.

• 5:44Speaker 05

  Mini driver in the audience?

• 5:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, yeah, all of that.

• 5:47Speaker 05

  Gotcha.

• 5:47Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm sure that I watched the Oscars before that. Like, I remember, you know, I was very invested in Apollo 13, so that was 95.

• 5:56Sean Fennessey?

  Mm-hmm.

• 5:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, but I, I think really, like, they're Billy Crystal razzmatazz of it all.

• 6:02Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. I think mine is probably 92 for 91, which is the Silence of the Lambs year.

• 6:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm.

• 6:09Sean Fennessey?

  Um, and I remember this vividly, and I'm sure I've said this before on the show too, but I wasn't allowed to watch The Silence of the Lambs.

• 6:14Speaker 05

  Is that Billy Crystal being brought out as Lecter?

• 6:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, wearing the Lecter mask and being rolled out. Great, a great Oscars, um, in many ways. An incredible lineup that year. But I wasn't allowed to see the movie, but it was such a phenomenon, and we've now done it twice on the rewatchables at this point, that I asked my uncle, my mom's brother, to explain the entirety of the events of the film.

• 6:38Speaker 05

  Is that how you got the idea for explaining Barbarian to Amanda?

• 6:41Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, it, it, it was a precursor to podcast.

• 6:44Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 6:44Sean Fennessey?

  And he was a teacher, like so many people in my family, and so he was very comfortable being like, I will lecture you for 40 minutes.

• 6:49Amanda Dobbins?

  So you were nine years old, and you just rapped?

• 6:52Sean Fennessey?

  And he told me, he told me, I guess I must have been on the way to 10 at that point, but he explained the whole movie to me. I think maybe without some of the more, um, evolved sexual politics, yeah. But he, for the most part, gave me the vibe, and I think I probably got excited about a movie like this being considered... Prestigious?

• 7:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 7:11Sean Fennessey?

  And probably made me really excited. And then also, like, when Pulp Fiction and Forrest Gump happened, I was like, this is my whole life. Like, I have to build my entire life around this experience. And being mad about it.

• 7:21Amanda Dobbins?

  I definitely remember watching Tom Hanks accept the Oscar for Forrest Gump. So, you know, the early 90s.

• 7:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, sure.

• 7:28Amanda Dobbins?

  The heyday.

• 7:29Sean Fennessey?

  And him doubling up. I still think it's fun. I still think it's very silly and flawed. But I like how it's actually evolved a lot. And we were just talking on an episode a couple of weeks ago about how the winners in the last 10 years, I'm like, what the fuck is going on? Like, they're just, they're really throwing us a lot of curveballs recently.

• 7:47Speaker 05

  Do you think you guys enjoy the night more or less after beginning this sort of professional odyssey of covering it very day to day? Like, is it anticlimactic? Just thinking about this at the Super Bowl, you know?

• 7:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, I mean, it is, it is a little bit. We were talking with, with Jack and making plans and the, you know, kind of the anticipation and everything up to the night.

• 8:09Speaker 05

  Your Amelia Perez-inspired wardrobe for the evening?

• 8:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I really need to return that. If I haven't returned that by the time this episode actually airs, then I guess I just own it now. So, this is just putting a pin in. But I still do really like watching it. And you and I were talking about, you know, ideal Super Bowl-watching setups and ideal Oscar-watching setups. And it does feel, it's my Super Bowl, you know, and like, my team is in the Super Bowl every year, except it's the Oscars. And they're like, very, you know, I need a very specific environment, which somehow does actually include Sean. Sean's like, the only person who's allowed to talk to me during the Oscars.

• 8:50Sean Fennessey?

  I actually really like how that has evolved.

• 8:52Speaker 05

  Do you read his tweets while he's sitting next to you?

• 8:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Sometimes, but later. And this year, like, I'm probably not going to. In addition to, you know, an unelected coup or whatever, like, like, that is a really bad user experience. Like, it is just impossible to see tweets at this point, especially on desktop. So...

• 9:11Sean Fennessey?

  I just don't use for you. I can't use for you. For you is, it'll make you crazy.

• 9:15Speaker 05

  I only use for you.

• 9:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I just, I just, even my feed, I'm just like, what am I looking at?

• 9:19Speaker 05

  I'm interested in lots of other perspectives.

• 9:21Amanda Dobbins?

  But, you know... Most of the time, he's working the material in the room. You know, and so.

• 9:26Sean Fennessey?

  What do you mean?

• 9:27Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, you'll, you'll, you will.

• 9:29Speaker 05

  You test drive your tweets?

• 9:31Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, no, no, no. Time out. That's not what I said.

• 9:32Sean Fennessey?

  I don't do that.

• 9:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I was being nice. No.

• 9:35Sean Fennessey?

  It may be sprung from a discussion we're having. Yeah.

• 9:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Or, and I think this is actually a good way of using social media during a live event, which is, it should feel like what's in your head. And so you'll say something.

• 9:49Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 9:49Amanda Dobbins?

  And then, and then you put it, and that's fine, you know, so I get it live. But I, but I don't feel like it's, you know, I, I don't feel betrayed by that. That's just part of the process.

• 9:59Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I'm not road testing material on Amanda, but I do, if I can make Amanda laugh, I do think I've said something funny. That is how I've been grading my life in recent years. Uh, I think that the show is still good and still matters. Each year depending, Best Picture as a historical marker is deeply flawed. Like maybe the most flawed, popular thing we have short of national elections.

• 10:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 10:26Sean Fennessey?

  And we've talked about why that is the case for many years and campaigning and the changing of the Academy and the way that the ballot works now.

• 10:36Speaker 05

  Should Best Picture be decided by the Electoral College?

• 10:40Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I don't think anything should be decided by the Electoral College personally, but I don't even know how you would mitigate that. Maybe the share that each branch gets should be weighed differently.

• 10:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 10:50Sean Fennessey?

  It's an interesting idea. I've not heard that suggested before. Who would you think should have the strongest weighting in their direction? In the Academy branches? Publicists?

• 10:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I was gonna make that joke. That's good. That's funny.

• 11:01Sean Fennessey?

  To all the publicists listening, you guys are the least important. Um, and then thank you for all the work that they do.

• 11:06Amanda Dobbins?

  No, they're the nice ones. Yeah.

• 11:08Sean Fennessey?

  Well, they have to interact with us. The other ones don't have to. Uh, I think that we are not getting better at, at electing Best Picture, but we are getting more interesting. And I, looking back at this exercise. You've got big chunks of history that have a lot of really bland or off winners.

• 11:27Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 11:28Sean Fennessey?

  That do say something about what the academy and the industry was at that time, but you really got to work hard to discover the context.

• 11:34Speaker 05

  Yeah, I'm sure that's true. I mean, you can kind of, I mean, should we explain what our kind of draft, what we're doing here today?

• 11:42Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 11:42Speaker 05

  In terms of like decades and stuff.

• 11:43Sean Fennessey?

  Well, in an effort to elongate this project into a two-year drafting strategy, we're drafting from essentially half of the eligible Best Picture winners. You see what I did?

• 11:52Amanda Dobbins?

  That's really, yeah, you didn't specify that.

• 11:55Sean Fennessey?

  Just a thought I had, which is-

• 11:56Amanda Dobbins?

  It's good, that's smart.

• 11:57Sean Fennessey?

  We're drafting from six categories as always, from, this time from decades of Best Picture winners. So the decades that are eligible for picks are the 1930s, the 50s, the 70s, the 90s, and the 2010s. The sixth category is Best Picture Loser. Now, the only films that are eligible in that category are films that were nominated for Best Picture, but lost in all of those five decades that we're talking through. One wrinkle. This was developed collectively and I really like this wrinkle.

• 12:27Amanda Dobbins?

  This was a Chris Ryan innovation, but it was good. You threw it out and I was like, ooh, the magic is alive.

• 12:33Speaker 05

  But you guys were the Glenn Powell and Daisy Edgar Jones of my storm.

• 12:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, oh.

• 12:38Speaker 05

  You tamed it.

• 12:38Sean Fennessey?

  You were, you were the twister?

• 12:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 12:40Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 12:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Am I the, who's who?

• 12:43Speaker 05

  You're Glenn Powell.

• 12:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you so much.

• 12:45Sean Fennessey?

  Honestly, I'll take it.

• 12:46Speaker 05

  YouTube influencer.

• 12:47Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 12:48Speaker 05

  Who likes to drive around in a big truck.

• 12:50Amanda Dobbins?

  A lot of good merch.

• 12:51Sean Fennessey?

  So the one wrinkle is that if you, you can select any Big Picture, Best Picture loser from that, those given decades, but that can act as a blocker because once that film has been taken, no other movie can be taken from that year, including the winner.

• 13:09Speaker 05

  I hadn't thought about it that far into it, but that's even better. That's really cool.

• 13:13Sean Fennessey?

  Because some years, the pickings are slim and some decades-

• 13:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Wait, say that again because I wasn't listening, sorry. I was doing-

• 13:19Sean Fennessey?

  The whole enterprise is listening to each other when making a podcast.

• 13:23Amanda Dobbins?

  I know, but I was doing a little prep. I'm sorry.

• 13:25Speaker 05

  So like if you-

• 13:25Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, I was getting my tabs ready.

• 13:26Speaker 05

  Platoon in eighty-six, which we will not be doing.

• 13:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Cause the eighties aren't that, yeah.

• 13:30Speaker 05

  No other movie from nineteen eighty-six would be out.

• 13:33Sean Fennessey?

  Four, well-

• 13:33Speaker 05

  Or Platoon one, but like-

• 13:34Sean Fennessey?

  Platoon one. Let's say, let's say you are a huge fan of Hannah and her sisters.

• 13:37Speaker 05

  I am.

• 13:38Sean Fennessey?

  Fan of the woodman that you are. And you said, I wanna take, and with my first overall pick, Hannah and her sisters in Best Picture Loser. That means not only are Children of a Lesser God, The Mission and A Room of the View off the board, but Platoon is also off the board.

• 13:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Mmm, dang. Okay.

• 13:54Sean Fennessey?

  So, you know, it's somewhat complicated to play this way, and we don't have to for the spirit of, of collectiveness today and, you know, believing in each other and supporting each other. But it's a great idea.

• 14:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 14:06Sean Fennessey?

  And maybe it can be applied strategically.

• 14:09Speaker 05

  Future drafts as well.

• 14:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 14:11Speaker 05

  You start doing a little bit more of, of blocking and counter, counter-programming.

• 14:16Sean Fennessey?

  There was a question on a recent mailbag that we didn't get to about like, what will we do when we run out of drafts? And my response to that is, we're good. Like, I got, I got a lot of ideas. Like, I'm not really worried about running, just cause we ran out of years.

• 14:26Speaker 05

  Reason I wanted to-

• 14:27Amanda Dobbins?

  You can't remember anything about like, times that we spent together. We were talking about our lovely trip to London last year.

• 14:34Sean Fennessey?

  I couldn't remember anything.

• 14:35Amanda Dobbins?

  You were, and I was just like going bit by bit.

• 14:37Sean Fennessey?

  You knew everything.

• 14:38Amanda Dobbins?

  It was a great time that we all had.

• 14:41Sean Fennessey?

  No. Anything that's transpired in my personal life in the last five years is gone. It is like, I have, can't hold it for more than eight minutes. But did it happen at the Academy Awards in nineteen thirty-eight? I can remember it vividly.

• 14:52Speaker 05

  The reason why I was asking for you to outline the decades is that, uh, it is fascinating to look at the arc of film history through the prism of Best Picture and see the exact moment where it spins apart, you know?

• 15:05Sean Fennessey?

  How do you mean?

• 15:05Speaker 05

  Maybe not the exact moment, but you go through the nineties and you're just like, the best and the brightest. And, and what a dogfight it was.

• 15:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 15:13Speaker 05

  The movies that won, the movies that lost, the movies that were nominated. It's centrality in American culture. And then you skip ahead to the tens and you're like, well, well, well.

• 15:25Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think something I I have a notable statistic that is related to that that I think speaks to the broader discussion around the centrality of movies in our lives, which is that from 1997 to 2004, every Best Picture winner grossed at least $100 million at the domestic box office. That's eight straight years. Yes. Since then, 20 years, only five films have done that. That's crazy.

• 15:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Let me name them.

• 15:54Sean Fennessey?

  Go for it. Ooh.

• 15:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Since, since 2004.

• 15:58Sean Fennessey?

  Four.

• 15:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Four. Okay, so obviously Oppenheimer.

• 16:00Sean Fennessey?

  Correct.

• 16:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, okay. I was doing this the other day in a movie that I thought was boring, which was just trying to remember all the Best Picture winners. Okay, so let's see. Avatar didn't win. What won in 2009?

• 16:18Sean Fennessey?

  Instead of Avatar?

• 16:19Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. No, no, Hurt Locker won instead of Avatar. What won the next year? This is great podcasting. Did, there's King's Speech that probably didn't.

• 16:28Sean Fennessey?

  That's in the tens.

• 16:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, but he said for the next 20 years. So, yeah.

• 16:33Sean Fennessey?

  The King's Speech did.

• 16:34Amanda Dobbins?

  It did.

• 16:35Sean Fennessey?

  Not only did The King's Speech do it, I believe it is the third highest grossing Best Picture winner since 2004. Argo did. Argo and The King's Speech are two of the five. You've also got Oppenheimer, so you've got three of the five. So there's two left here. One you.

• 16:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Did No Country?

• 16:54Sean Fennessey?

  No Country for Old Men did not. It earned $74 million at the domestic box office. Now, you've got to remember, the interesting thing here is almost all of these movies have made over 100 million worldwide. Because the international box office was really strong for a long time, until recently. We can talk about that too, but, so you've got two films that are left.

• 17:15Sean Fennessey?

  Is.

• 17:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Not Spotlight, not Boyhood, not Birdman.

• 17:20Sean Fennessey?

  Nope. One very obvious one and one that I don't think you'll get.

• 17:24Amanda Dobbins?

  2009.

• 17:27Amanda Dobbins?

  That was the, God, what won that year? Is it, is that one of the years?

• 17:32Sean Fennessey?

  The award given in 2009 is one of the years. So 2008.

• 17:36Amanda Dobbins?

  So it was for, not for Hurt Locker?

• 17:40Sean Fennessey?

  Nope. Hurt Locker is the

• 17:41Amanda Dobbins?

  2007, but given in 2008?

• 17:43Sean Fennessey?

  Best Picture winner of all time. Aside from Nomadland and Coda, which we don't count.

• 17:47Speaker 05

  At that time or in general? Didn't, didn't Hurt Locker make like 60 million dollars?

• 17:52Sean Fennessey?

  17 million.

• 17:54Speaker 05

  It didn't make 60, it made 17 million dollars.

• 17:57Sean Fennessey?

  In America, yes. It also beat Avatar, which was one of the most financially successful movies ever.

• 18:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes. Yeah. Crash in 2005, and then 2006, I don't remember what beat the Queen. But the Queen, a double award winner that year.

• 18:12Sean Fennessey?

  2006 and 2008 are the two years that we're talking about here.

• 18:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Ah, okay.

• 18:16Sean Fennessey?

  2006 is a, 6 is a momentous Academy Award win.

• 18:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, well, is the, is 2008 Slumdog Millionaire?

• 18:24Sean Fennessey?

  2008, Slumdog Millionaire, that is one.

• 18:26Amanda Dobbins?

  And then I don't, 2006.

• 18:28Speaker 05

  Parasite didn't make 100 million, did it?

• 18:29Sean Fennessey?

  Did not.

• 18:30Amanda Dobbins?

  No, so what won Best Picture in 2006?

• 18:34Sean Fennessey?

  Shame on both of you.

• 18:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Stop it, I am thinking, okay? So the Queen was nominated?

• 18:40Sean Fennessey?

  You can remember the Queen and not this film?

• 18:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, yeah. Oh, The Departed?

• 18:45Sean Fennessey?

  The Departed.

• 18:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, there we go. See, I got there.

• 18:47Sean Fennessey?

  The Departed.

• 18:48Speaker 05

  Nice job.

• 18:49Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Slumdog Millionaire grossed 140 million dollars in America and 385 million dollars worldwide.

• 18:57Speaker 05

  What happened there? What happened with us? We were just like, let's go Slumdog Millionaire.

• 19:01Sean Fennessey?

  It was a worldwide phenomenon. I mean, obviously, an Indian story with Bollywood, a musical, an inspiring movie. Yeah, a variety of things. Most of these movies have been huge over the years. Even, you know, Parasite made 250 million dollars worldwide. Winning Best Picture often certifies your movie. Obviously, for the 50 years before the entire industry fell apart. You would make a certain amount of money all the way up until your nomination. And then if you won, you could then count on another

• 19:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 19:28Sean Fennessey?

  10, 20, 50 million dollars at the box office. The movies would continue to play after they won or go back into theaters. They don't really do that very well anymore. Although it did help for like Moonlight, like Moonlight made, ended up making 65 million worldwide.

• 19:40Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 19:40Sean Fennessey?

  After I think originally opening to like 12 or 13. So anyway.

• 19:44Speaker 05

  If something like, uh, Nora was, let's say, wins Best Picture and then had been in theaters for another eight weeks after that, do you think it would do really well?

• 19:54Sean Fennessey?

  I'm wondering if that will happen because the truth is.

• 19:56Speaker 05

  Isn't it like on demand now?

• 19:58Sean Fennessey?

  It's not streaming, but it is on VOD. Um, if a Nora wins and it is the, the frontrunner to win right now, it will be the lowest grossing movie to win Best Picture, um, at least going back to the 1960s. Like movies like Oliver made 27 million dollars. So a Nora would be actually technically smaller than Hurt Locker.

• 20:17Speaker 05

  It's probably the smallest.

• 20:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 20:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:19Sean Fennessey?

  Correct. Adjusted for inflation, it would definitely be the lowest grossing movie. That being said, it's been in the top five on VOD for weeks now.

• 20:26Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 20:26Sean Fennessey?

  Um, and people are just watching movies differently. So we're taking that into consideration too. I just thought that was an interesting stat that like, the winners just don't make a lot of money at the box office because the Academy has kind of changed. The movies that they award has changed.

• 20:39Amanda Dobbins?

  And the way that people watch things are changed.

• 20:42Speaker 05

  Have changed too, right? I mean, like if you look at the nineties, these are some of the biggest movies of any that those years. And now these are now like, those movies now have become IP blockbusters. You can make the argument like, why isn't Dune 2 more in contention or whatever, but you know?

• 20:58Sean Fennessey?

  I think I do see the Hurt Locker win as a real turning point for a variety of reasons. Not in a bad way.

• 21:06Speaker 05

  You want them to come back down to five for Best Picture?

• 21:08Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good question. What do you think?

• 21:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't know because I do think. Even though I fight with Sean a lot about like the ratings like are gone and we're never gonna get back to the to the 90s and we have to let go, I think that at least having some movies you've heard of get nominated.

• 21:29Speaker 05

  I can't, I just can't put myself in the space of somebody who's like, I'm gonna tune in because I watched Dune 2 and then I'm gonna watch Dune 2 lose. You know what I mean? Like, if you would be like-

• 21:39Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't think it's gonna help ratings, but I think at like at this point, you just need people to like care what the Oscars are.

• 21:45Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 21:46Amanda Dobbins?

  To have like even the value of being the best picture winner, give you any buy, like any, I don't know. Just to, to, if people don't even, if they're like, I haven't heard of any of those, so I just like, it doesn't even matter. It's sort of like the, me and the Grammys at this point. I'm like, yeah, yeah, okay. I, I wanna be clear that I have heard of both Beyonce and Kendrick Lamar and, and I congratulate them, but you know what I'm saying?

• 22:09Speaker 05

  Have you heard of Chapel Road?

• 22:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes. I told you about Chapel Road.

• 22:14Speaker 05

  No, you didn't.

• 22:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, I did.

• 22:15Speaker 05

  No, you did not.

• 22:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 22:18Speaker 05

  You told me about Chapel Road.

• 22:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you were just like, you were like, I, I, you were like, I'm not, I'm out on the Pop Girlies. And I was like, you didn't check out Chapel Road.

• 22:27Speaker 05

  I'm not sure if I said it exactly that way.

• 22:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 22:30Sean Fennessey?

  Can you imagine, can you imagine if music was the thing that broke the Chris and Amanda alliance on the draft episodes after all this time?

• 22:37Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm just like, taking notes. I had like, I remember when Chris was just like, I listened to half of Brad, I'm not Brad, which is fine, you aren't Brad, but-

• 22:45Speaker 05

  Did I talk about this?

• 22:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, on the watch. And you, you were not into the album and I-

• 22:50Sean Fennessey?

  You know who is Brad?

• 22:51Speaker 05

  Andy.

• 22:51Sean Fennessey?

  Kamala.

• 22:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Really turned out well.

• 22:54Speaker 06

  Nick Sirianni is Brad, bro. Nick Sirianni is about to have his Brad summer.

• 22:58Sean Fennessey?

  If we only had five best picture nominees this year, it's possible that those nominees could have been Anora, The Brutalist, A Complete Unknown, Conclave, and Emilio Perez. That would have not been super good for the Oscars, I think. I think not, like if Wicked was at six, which is not unreasonable. And then No Dune Part Two, and then all of a sudden, it's a lot of movies people haven't seen.

• 23:19Amanda Dobbins?

  On the other hand, you and I would probably not have to sit through a wicked opening number, which is allegedly what is gonna happen at the Oscars.

• 23:28Sean Fennessey?

  They denied it.

• 23:28Amanda Dobbins?

  They did, oh?

• 23:29Sean Fennessey?

  They denied it. Now, who knows? That was Matt Bellany's reporting that.

• 23:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I believe in the reporting of Matt Bellany.

• 23:33Sean Fennessey?

  Historically, yes. So we'll see what they end up doing. But I think 10 is good. I like 10. The truth is, is that 10 is historically reasonable because that's how it started. You know, in the 1930s, when we talk about, you know, going back to 27, there were more nominees. They were trying to bring in as many titles as possible, and there are way more movies that are made right now. There's like, you know, 500 films that get released, thousands internationally. So I think that the 10 is working well enough. It felt like it, its impact was felt in a strong way in a year like last year, where you had Barbie and Oppenheimer getting over the line. And so the ratings went up a little bit because Oppenheimer was so strong. The year before that, I mean, Top Gun made it into the 10.

• 24:17Sean Fennessey?

  That's something you would have never considered 25 years ago at the Academy Awards, so.

• 24:21Amanda Dobbins?

  I consider it every day in my home.

• 24:23Speaker 05

  Using Lieutenant Pete Mitchell to get ratings, but they were ever really seriously considering honoring him.

• 24:30Amanda Dobbins?

  And that's why it didn't show up.

• 24:31Speaker 05

  As a member of our armed forces. They should have, yeah.

• 24:33Sean Fennessey?

  Would you like to share some more thoughts about the American military right now?

• 24:37Speaker 05

  You could check out my thoughts on lioness on the watch. Yeah, I'm excited to do this. This is a fun exercise.

• 24:45Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, so reminder again, the categories are 1930s, 1950s, 1970s, 1990s, 2010s, and Best Picture loser. Bobby, we need to set the draft order.

• 24:56Speaker 06

  Yeah, speaking of Pete Mitchell, bad news is I'm moving, and so I've packed away the Top Gun hat as well as the tiles. So we're going with random.org. I did clear the cookies. I went through great effort. I had to re-sign into everything.

• 25:10Amanda Dobbins?

  That does suck, especially when you work for Spotify, so I appreciate you.

• 25:14Speaker 06

  Yeah, I did that. That's my commitment to the picture.

• 25:17Amanda Dobbins?

  No. Listen, that happened again in another movie. What movie was it recently where someone was just like, "Face ID", and stole, you know, someone else's as being?

• 25:28Speaker 05

  Oh, it did. They were dead, right?

• 25:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there, I actually know what it is, but now I don't want it to be a spoiler. So, um, anyway, don't use Face ID. They haven't secured it.

• 25:39Speaker 05

  Was it Christopher Nolan's The Odyssey that he's on?

• 25:44Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, what is our order?

• 25:47Speaker 06

  The order will be Sean Fantasy selecting first overall.

• 25:51Sean Fennessey?

  Jesus Christ.

• 25:52Speaker 06

  Amanda Dobbins selecting second and Chris Ryan will select third.

• 25:56Speaker 05

  I was thinking, I, I, I soft pitched this to these guys yesterday. I'm vamping for Sean to decide a strategy. Bob, do you think a Rebel pod feed? That's just Chris Ryan's Odyssey updates and it's me reading updates about casting, locations, uh, practical effects that no one is employing. The honor that he is bestowing upon Unios, Unie- Unios? What is like the?

• 26:25Amanda Dobbins?

  The UNESCO world sites?

• 26:27Speaker 05

  UNESCO.

• 26:28Amanda Dobbins?

  You kept saying.

• 26:29Speaker 05

  Unios is the people who own Manchester United. That's my bad. UNESCO, he is honoring UNESCO sites.

• 26:34Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 26:35Speaker 05

  He is honoring them.

• 26:37Sean Fennessey?

  He is honoring them.

• 26:38Speaker 05

  And I, I know all about them. You know what I mean? Like when I was inside the palace.

• 26:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't think.

• 26:43Speaker 05

  It's split. I was like.

• 26:44Amanda Dobbins?

  It doesn't need to be rival. Okay. Like you should just start like, you know, reels, Tik Tok, short, short form only on this feed. I will light and shoot every single update. I will do it for you. Yes, I will. This is how much I believe in your project.

• 27:01Speaker 06

  She's chasing you through backyard in LA.

• 27:04Speaker 05

  Directors. Wrong.

• 27:08Speaker 05

  Can you imagine, Amanda, like a neckerchief on, like framing me up?

• 27:11Sean Fennessey?

  I can, yes.

• 27:12Amanda Dobbins?

  We all can.

• 27:13Sean Fennessey?

  I can, I can see that. Um, I will say form wise, I would prefer to hear you go along. I don't want a, I don't want short form content.

• 27:20Speaker 05

  I'm thinking like, it's like Barbaro, like the daily, like every day it's like, I'm Chris Ryan. Today, Christopher Nolan shot in Mykonos.

• 27:30Speaker 06

  I think it has to be done though, like not on any of our Spotify sets though, cause that's not the energy. So like I'll fly to your house.

• 27:38Amanda Dobbins?

  And then my spinoff, Chris does Mykonos.

• 27:43Amanda Dobbins?

  When's that's all reality TV?

• 27:45Speaker 05

  In an authentic Peloponnesian boat for two years.

• 27:49Speaker 06

  You're being tackled by the national security at the Parthenon.

• 27:54Sean Fennessey?

  The only production detail that I've heard about this movie, which we did discuss at dinner last night, is that Christopher Nolan in a sacred ancient cave

• 28:02Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:03Sean Fennessey?

  is having a papier-mache puppet cyclops built to scale?

• 28:08Speaker 05

  I was, I was, I think I was conflating a couple of different reports and also random tweets that I read.

• 28:14Sean Fennessey?

  This is the kind of content you can get from Peloponnesia and me, the CR pod.

• 28:18Speaker 05

  I could even plot it out for like the first eight months. I'm like doing it really straightforward and earnestly. And then I go full Project Veritas and start like not believing things. And I'm like showing up in Greece and trying to like doorstep Chris Nolan. Like, sir, sir.

• 28:33Amanda Dobbins?

  This is, this is how you finally do the Greece trip.

• 28:36Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 28:36Amanda Dobbins?

  And, and I'll be free to like follow along as your, as your one woman crew, you know?

• 28:41Speaker 06

  And it's also finally time for your Mediterranean diet that we've been talking about.

• 28:45Speaker 05

  Oh, yeah, Blue Zone, dog.

• 28:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, is that, is that what we're dialing up?

• 28:49Speaker 05

  We're talking about it.

• 28:50Speaker 06

  Chris and I have been talking about it for about 18 months. You know, we're sort of soft launching it.

• 28:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, welcome to how I eat.

• 28:55Speaker 05

  There's a lot of different research on.

• 28:56Sean Fennessey?

  Blue Zone?

• 28:57Speaker 05

  It's like, you know how in Sardinia, everybody lives, so like they're 101?

• 29:01Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 29:01Speaker 05

  Cause they just have like olive oil.

• 29:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you seriously just about to explain the Mediterranean diet to him for the first time? And you've never heard of this?

• 29:06Sean Fennessey?

  I know what that is. Yeah, but I didn't know, I didn't know what the Blue Zone was.

• 29:09Speaker 05

  Parts of the earth where people live forever because they have like good quality ingredients.

• 29:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Cause they eat, you know, like olive oil and local, yeah.

• 29:15Speaker 05

  And but they smoke.

• 29:16Amanda Dobbins?

  And fish. And yeah, that's true. And they have wine.

• 29:18Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 29:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, it's great.

• 29:19Sean Fennessey?

  This is true in many societies that don't strictly consume processed food, though. I mean, across Asia, there is this little similar experience.

• 29:26Speaker 05

  I was worried this pod was gonna be boring and it's not.

• 29:27Sean Fennessey?

  No, no, I was, I'm never worried about that at all. Uh, with the first, let me, let me just ask a question for the, for the room. I've already made my decision, so this won't influence it. But what do you think is the weakest of the decades?

• 29:39Speaker 05

  It depends on your levels of familiarity, but I would say the 2010s.

• 29:42Sean Fennessey?

  The 2010s? That's interesting. Okay.

• 29:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Really?

• 29:45Speaker 05

  Personally.

• 29:46Sean Fennessey?

  Even more so than the 1930s?

• 29:48Speaker 05

  I don't know. There were some pretty good movies in the 1930s.

• 29:51Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, there's pretty good movies in every year, right? I get the 2010s is interesting. I mean, I don't, I have my eye on a few movies, but as you know, I don't love, like we were talking Spotlight the other day, right? A lot of people love that movie. You love that movie.

• 30:02Speaker 05

  Do you think Spotlight's better than Gone with the Wind?

• 30:05Sean Fennessey?

  Better?

• 30:07Sean Fennessey?

  I promised you that I would dog walk you into a Margaret Mitchell conversation last night. And here you are trying to walk me into one. Uh, you know, Gone with the Wind, what an achievement in production.

• 30:18Speaker 05

  I love the music.

• 30:19Sean Fennessey?

  Incredible staging, costumes.

• 30:22Speaker 05

  A depiction of, of the South.

• 30:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Please don't look at me.

• 30:26Sean Fennessey?

  You were, you were born at Tara, right? You were, the, the estate depicted in the film.

• 30:31Amanda Dobbins?

  I wonder if they have renamed, there is literally at like an indie movie theater in Atlanta that was still called like the Tara something. I hope they have renamed that.

• 30:39Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I don't have Gone with the Wind on my board.

• 30:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 30:42Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I can admire its achievement.

• 30:45Speaker 05

  There's a good crane shot.

• 30:46Sean Fennessey?

  A good crane shot, coming down the stairs?

• 30:48Speaker 05

  Uh, no.

• 30:49Amanda Dobbins?

  No of all like the Atlanta, yeah.

• 30:51Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah.

• 30:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you know, that shot.

• 30:52Sean Fennessey?

  You like that because you felt it honored the men who gave their lives during that struggle.

• 30:56Speaker 05

  No, I'm just a big frame it up, like Dolly guy, you know?

• 30:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Every frame painting, right? That's what you always say. Okay. Well, with my first pick, just to, just to honor the story I was telling, I'll take The Silence of the Lambs in the 1990s.

• 31:10Amanda Dobbins?

  That's lovely. That's a good pick.

• 31:12Sean Fennessey?

  Universally a wonderful movie. I think the nineties is weirdly a little weaker than I would have, uh, previously thought when I started doing this exercise.

• 31:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 31:20Sean Fennessey?

  Um, The Silence of the Lambs is both a very serious and compelling film and also just a lot of fun and goofy to talk about as we've done multiple times over the years. One of Jonathan Demme's many masterpieces, um, great performances, the last movie to win the big five.

• 31:37Sean Fennessey?

  Best Picture, Director, Actor, Actress, Adapted Screenplay. Do you think that Hopkins should have been in Supporting Actor? Where do you stand on that?

• 31:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I do not care about category fraud. I'm like, I just, I have said this many times, it's fine. He, he holds the movie. You can't have the movie without him. So I'm fine with him in actor.

• 31:57Sean Fennessey?

  Okay, cool.

• 31:58Speaker 05

  I wonder what would, what would it, would it take for you to get really upset about that? I think it would probably have to be somebody you really believed in losing something that you thought was category fraud. Can't think of an example of that, though.

• 32:09Sean Fennessey?

  You could say it's a little early to go 1990s.

• 32:11Speaker 05

  Yeah, I mean.

• 32:12Sean Fennessey?

  But I want this to be harmonious.

• 32:14Speaker 05

  It's also like, it's like in the process of the pod, there's picks that make sense because of where they're gonna go. But then when you see them in a graphic afterwards, you're like, why the fuck did you pick this? You know?

• 32:24Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 32:24Speaker 05

  Not, that won't happen.

• 32:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, yeah.

• 32:26Speaker 05

  People are gonna be like, yes, Silence of the Lambs rules.

• 32:28Sean Fennessey?

  Right, right. I won't have to explain why I've chosen Forrest Gump.

• 32:32Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 32:32Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 32:33Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 32:33Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. Well, you're up. Number two pick.

• 32:35Amanda Dobbins?

  I will absolutely be taking it happened one night in the 1930s.

• 32:38Speaker 05

  God damn it.

• 32:39Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, you have to. That would have, I, I'm relieved.

• 32:42Sean Fennessey?

  Strongly considered it.

• 32:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you. Thank you for not taking it from me.

• 32:46Sean Fennessey?

  I have a personal favorite in this decade.

• 32:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, that's great. My personal favorite is one of the great romantic comedies and one of the most influential movies. And also a winner of the big five.

• 32:57Sean Fennessey?

  It is?

• 32:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Um.

• 32:59Sean Fennessey?

  One of only three?

• 33:01Amanda Dobbins?

  I feel like there's one that we're forgetting, but anyway.

• 33:03Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 33:05Amanda Dobbins?

  I rewatched part of this movie this morning just, just to have a nice time. And then I like fast forwarded just for the, the walls of Jericho.

• 33:12Speaker 05

  Claudette Colbert only liked to be photographed on one side of her face.

• 33:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I sympathize.

• 33:17Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 33:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Now you understand why we switched chairs.

• 33:19Speaker 05

  Well, what if I like to be filmed dead on? That's my preferred angle.

• 33:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, this is a magical movie.

• 33:25Sean Fennessey?

  I love it. Um, I was telling you about the, uh, series that you must remember this is doing right now about the old man is still alive. These sort of great filmmakers at the end of their career. Frank Capra was the first episode. And it's amazing what sweet and funny and profound films he made in the 30s and 40s, given what a unkind fucker he seemed like.

• 33:50Speaker 05

  Was he really?

• 33:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Um, just some really unseemly stuff. Um, and a lot of public stuff. And you know, this is certainly in an era of precancellation and all that, but like, and he seemed like not that person when he was making these movies. And then later in life, kind of soured on a lot of things, but you know, this is the guy who made Mr. Smith Goes to Washington. And it's a wonderful life.

• 34:11Speaker 05

  Is it?

• 34:12Sean Fennessey?

  And Capra is one of the rare adjectival filmmakers. There are three, in fact, three big five winners that has happened one night, Silence of the Lambs, and another movie that is eligible today. Maybe we'll get to it. If we don't, I'll cite it at the end if I have a memory that is strong enough to do so, which is usually not the case. Okay, Chris, you've got two picks.

• 34:31Speaker 05

  Alrighty, uh, kind of all over the place. I did not anticipate you taking it happen one night, but congratulations. I'm gonna take Unforgiven in the 90s.

• 34:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Ooh, okay.

• 34:43Sean Fennessey?

  Good.

• 34:44Speaker 05

  There's a couple of movies here that I still really like a lot, but Unforgiven is my second favorite Best Picture winner next to Silence of the Lambs, so I'll grab that while it's still there. Clint Eastwood's supposed to be a capstone on his career in some ways, and then he just kept cranking them out.

• 34:58Sean Fennessey?

  Yep, it's been 33 years since this movie came out.

• 35:03Speaker 05

  It's crazy. Are we, like, how many, what's the time span between Unforgiven and The Mule?

• 35:09Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, that's 2019, so it's 27 years.

• 35:14Speaker 05

  Wow, that's crazy. Um, I love this movie still. We recently enough did it on rewatchables, I think, last year.

• 35:22Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, it's probably like five years ago, but okay.

• 35:27Speaker 05

  Perfect western, great performances from Hackman and Richard Harris and Morgan Freeman. And so I'll take that in the 90s, and then I gotta get, I guess I gotta take All Quiet on the Western Front from the 1930s, which is not one that I jam a lot, but did watch in conjunction with Edward Berger's version of it.

• 35:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 35:46Speaker 05

  That was on Netflix a couple of years ago and was also a Best Picture, in The Hunt, Best Picture movie. And this is, you know, quite a good piece of cinema history, if maybe not like a movie-going experience, but is thought of as one of the great anti-war films of all time.

• 36:00Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I also rewatched it when we did that podcast and was blown away by it. I think it's an amazing movie. I think it's legitimately a five-star classic and sets, absolutely sets the template for war films made by Hollywood.

• 36:14Speaker 05

  Why don't you trade Silence of the Lambs to me for All Quiet on the Western Front? You seem like a huge fan.

• 36:19Sean Fennessey?

  No, but I do think it's a great movie, and I think if people haven't seen it, it's really interesting that even back in 1930, that writers and filmmakers and actors were able to like nail down the experience in that storytelling. Very good movie.

• 36:33Speaker 05

  It's up to you now.

• 36:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I'm gonna take The Godfather Part II in the 70s.

• 36:38Speaker 05

  70s are rich.

• 36:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 36:39Sean Fennessey?

  It's great.

• 36:40Amanda Dobbins?

  I feel weird that I'm getting The Godfather Part II.

• 36:43Sean Fennessey?

  You think better than Part I?

• 36:46Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I guess so because I went for it.

• 36:48Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, because obviously I'm, that's where I have, I will go next.

• 36:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think with both, maybe it's just because I have rewatched part two a couple of times more recently and I think you can, you can toggle back and forth.

• 37:01Speaker 05

  Have you ever watched the, was it the, the linear cut? What is that called?

• 37:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 37:06Speaker 05

  When it's like, it starts with-

• 37:07Sean Fennessey?

  Is it the Godfather Legacy?

• 37:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 37:10Speaker 05

  I, I really enjoy watching it that way as well.

• 37:11Sean Fennessey?

  We start with Vito.

• 37:12Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 37:13Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, no, I haven't.

• 37:15Speaker 05

  Okay.

• 37:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, I, I watched them as they were, as they were released.

• 37:18Speaker 05

  As, as God and Fred's couple intended.

• 37:21Amanda Dobbins?

  But I, probably the best single cinematic performance of all time, Pacino, in this one, if you had to pick. Amazing. Even when he's against, um, Diane Keaton, who is woefully miscast, screaming abortion, but that's okay. What are you gonna do? She's good at-

• 37:37Speaker 05

  This must all end. It was an abortion, Michael!

• 37:42Amanda Dobbins?

  She's, she's very good in the scene in the, in the kitchen when that, um, when she comes back at the end, spoiler, I guess.

• 37:50Sean Fennessey?

  Would you say it's because she is a woman? Like because it's a female character in a world where you feel they don't belong?

• 37:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Uh, yeah, that's exactly right. Yeah. Um, I'm only watching for the dudes. Uh, I, I mean, the Godfather's great too, but I think-

• 38:04Sean Fennessey?

  Very generous of you.

• 38:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, you know what? He did a good job. FFC, thumbs up. Yes.

• 38:10Speaker 06

  The Godfather, uh, chronological cut is called The Godfather Saga.

• 38:14Sean Fennessey?

  Saga.

• 38:14Speaker 06

  The Godfather Legacy is a TV movie about the making of, I believe.

• 38:19Sean Fennessey?

  I haven't seen that.

• 38:19Speaker 05

  I have not. We never really talked about the offer.

• 38:23Sean Fennessey?

  I watched the whole thing.

• 38:24Speaker 05

  Will you guys be talking about the studio in this podcast?

• 38:27Sean Fennessey?

  Well, it's a TV show.

• 38:28Speaker 05

  I know.

• 38:29Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I've seen a few episodes.

• 38:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Can we be invited to talk about it on your podcast?

• 38:32Speaker 05

  We could do a crossover episode.

• 38:33Amanda Dobbins?

  I never get invited to the watch.

• 38:35Speaker 05

  That's not true.

• 38:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Been a long time. I thank you for my shout out. I caught up.

• 38:40Sean Fennessey?

  Ooh, ooh, little something going on here. A little spikiness. It's uncommon.

• 38:45Speaker 05

  Sometimes an actor and director, there's a lot of conflict.

• 38:49Amanda Dobbins?

  We're keeping the energy alive.

• 38:50Sean Fennessey?

  Absolutely. Yeah, kind of Pacino and Friedkin on the set of Cruising here. I'll take The Godfather. The Godfather would have been my pick over two, but, you know, we're talking about 50.1% to 49.9% in terms of preference. I just think it sets the template for the storytelling type. And it's like, if you do watch The Offer, which I would say is a wildly slanted in the direction of the producer of the film, even then, you can kind of suss out what an amazing and unlikely success story this is and all of the things that Coppola was able to smuggle into the production and story of the film.

• 39:35Sean Fennessey?

  Not least of which is basically shooting it in the darkness and still making it feel incredibly beautiful and deep.

• 39:42Speaker 05

  Great shot, Gordo.

• 39:43Sean Fennessey?

  Great shot, Gordo, obviously inspired by Gordon Willis, the cinematographer of the movie. I think, as somebody who believes that the 70s is the best decade in the history of American movies, I think the winners are like really great and maybe the best winners ever, but still not as great as I want them to be. So I find this category really interesting.

• 40:05Speaker 05

  Because it's like Altman's not there or something, or what is it? That you feel like there's not, the best pictures don't wind up representing the mood of the...

• 40:11Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's like not the Friedkin movie I would pick, you know? It's not the Jack Nicholson centerpiece that I would pick. It's not the, even the sports movie that I would pick, you know what I mean? Like, there's a few variations on what they do, but The Godfather picks are the right picks. Those are the dead-on perfect picks in that decade. So, that's my first one. Okay, I got another pick. Tough situation here.

• 40:35Speaker 05

  What's tough about it?

• 40:37Sean Fennessey?

  Well, there's two different decades that I want to choose from here.

• 40:40Speaker 05

  Gone with the Wind and what else?

• 40:42Sean Fennessey?

  That's not a decade, that's a film. I mean, I'll tell you, it's either the 2010s or it's the 1950s, right?

• 40:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 40:49Sean Fennessey?

  I've got a movie at the top of both of those lists that I absolutely love. And if I don't get them, it's gonna be a little disappointing.

• 40:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 40:56Sean Fennessey?

  So I've gotta make a choice.

• 40:58Amanda Dobbins?

  And now's your time.

• 40:59Sean Fennessey?

  I think I'll take Parasite.

• 41:00Speaker 05

  That's what I was wondering if you were gonna do.

• 41:02Sean Fennessey?

  I think I have to because of what you said about the 2010s. And in the 1950s, there's a few movies that I have a strong love for. The 2010s is a pretty short list of movies I genuinely love that won. I have, I really, for example, I really think 12 Years a Slave is a great film. It's not a movie that I'm like, is in my personal head canon. Um, Parasite is, Parasite is one of the great movies.

• 41:23Speaker 05

  It's also very strange to look at the 2010s, even the winners, in a long list of all of these other Best Picture winners and you're just like, these are not in the same cat, like, class.

• 41:32Sean Fennessey?

  Is that just a function of time?

• 41:34Speaker 05

  I don't think so. I don't, I personally don't think, uh, the winners in the 10s could, would be nominated in the 90s.

• 41:42Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, wow, that's interesting. I think that's personal bias.

• 41:44Speaker 05

  Maybe.

• 41:45Sean Fennessey?

  Cause I, I don't know, this came up when we were on the Sam Sanders Show. You know, and he was saying the same thing. He was just like, I remember in 1992, it was like, this is, these are the best movies.

• 41:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 41:54Sean Fennessey?

  And everybody agrees and we all went to go see them and we loved them together. And I think that's sort of a little bit of what you're getting at too, where it's like, you know, The Shape of Water was a recent point of discussion where we're like, what happened here? Why did this movie win over Lady Bird and Get Out and Dunkirk? Like, what, what, what actually, why did this happen? Parasite, not the case. Parasite is an interesting win because it was in a year that had a ton of awesome contenders, you know, this is the Once Upon a Time in Hollywood year. Um, 1917 was, was the frontrunner all the way up until the moment when it was revealed that Parasite won.

• 42:26Speaker 05

  One of the great big picture moments?

• 42:29Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 42:30Speaker 05

  Like getting excited when you go, when you were like, cut live.

• 42:32Amanda Dobbins?

  That's right. And your voice cracked. Yes. Yeah.

• 42:35Sean Fennessey?

  I mean, it was really, really exciting. I think in some ways, the Parasite win is sort of similar to The Shape of Water win, which is that Bong Joon Ho, amongst film fans and people in the industry, was really, really, really admired as a truly original voice and somebody who'd been working hard for a long time. But the movie also had that phenomenon quality of like, this came out of nowhere. And a lot of people were like, I've never seen one movie made in Korea, let alone, um, one of the greatest movies ever made. So, you know, a movie that still I think resonates really deeply and is a lot of fun to watch and is back in the news with the forthcoming release of Mickey 17 next month.

• 43:08Speaker 05

  So Godfather and Parasite?

• 43:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 43:10Speaker 05

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• 44:57Amanda Dobbins?

  So I have a pick?

• 44:58Speaker 05

  Indeed.

• 45:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, so I have 50s, 90s, and 2010s. Um, and I have, and it's you that I'm up against. And whatever Sean says, I don't really feel the enmity that is percolating.

• 45:19Speaker 05

  Between you two? He's just trying to be a divisive figure in our work together. That's not true.

• 45:25Amanda Dobbins?

  I guess that.

• 45:28Amanda Dobbins?

  What else is left in 90s? Let me look at this really quickly because there's one that-

• 45:35Speaker 05

  How is this a conversation?

• 45:38Amanda Dobbins?

  How is, I mean, I do, I know what I want, but-

• 45:41Sean Fennessey?

  You're more like, can I pass on it now?

• 45:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 45:43Sean Fennessey?

  But we've already chosen 90s.

• 45:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, you've chosen it too? Oh, okay, great. Then I don't need to do it right now.

• 45:47Speaker 05

  I could kneecap you.

• 45:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. I, you know, if you do the, okay.

• 45:53Sean Fennessey?

  I feel like you're getting your board.

• 45:54Amanda Dobbins?

  That's a great point.

• 45:56Sean Fennessey?

  Would you say?

• 45:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I probably, yes. If he kneecaps me, then I still have another option. So-

• 46:05Sean Fennessey?

  It's not the best year to kneecap you.

• 46:08Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I don't know which one, which one you think is a kneecap.

• 46:11Speaker 05

  Ooh, interesting. I could kneecap you.

• 46:13Amanda Dobbins?

  You, well, there are actually two options in which you could kneecap me. So in, in that way-

• 46:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 46:18Amanda Dobbins?

  But so you can't really because I have two options, so.

• 46:23Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, but one is, one is superior to the other, I think.

• 46:27Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I do as well. Okay, fine. I'll just do, I'll do Titanic.

• 46:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, I think that's-

• 46:31Speaker 05

  Oh, that's not what I thought you were picking.

• 46:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 46:33Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, it isn't?

• 46:34Speaker 05

  No, I thought she was gonna take English Patient.

• 46:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, and that would be my other option. But I, I agree that, but if you had taken Good Will Hunting to kneecap me, that would have been a really good pick by you, and also-

• 46:44Sean Fennessey?

  I agree. That would have been a great draft moment.

• 46:46Speaker 05

  See, because I thought you guys were saying somebody could pick Fargo or Jerry Maguire.

• 46:50Sean Fennessey?

  That too. That would have been good too.

• 46:51Amanda Dobbins?

  That's true.

• 46:52Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 46:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Anyway.

• 46:53Sean Fennessey?

  But if she had passed and that had happened, she could have just taken Titanic.

• 46:56Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 46:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Exactly. And if he had taken Good Will Hunting, I could have taken English Patient. So it was, it was okay, but I, I feel good about Titanic.

• 47:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. And did you consider Braveheart?

• 47:08Sean Fennessey?

  No?

• 47:08Amanda Dobbins?

  I was big mad at Braveheart all year because that was the Apollo 13 year and Sense and Sensibility.

• 47:14Speaker 05

  Uh, is it my turn?

• 47:15Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 47:16Speaker 05

  Okay. Uh, so I need 70s, 50s, and loser, correct? And 10s. 50s-

• 47:28Speaker 05

  I'll do Bridge on the River Kwai. David Lean's epic but intimate.

• 47:33Speaker 05

  Portrait of the war, finding soldiers wherever they are, even in a prison or a war camp. And the construction of this bridge from Burma to Thailand that Alec Guinness is overseeing and that William Holden is trying to destroy. And just incredible performances. Lean at his non Laurence best, I would probably say.

• 47:53Sean Fennessey?

  This is the first of his two Best Picture wins.

• 47:55Speaker 05

  Yeah. Love this movie.

• 47:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Still so jealous that you got to see Lawrence of Arabia.

• 48:01Speaker 05

  One of the great movie going experiences of my life. Was going to see it at the American Cinema Tech.

• 48:06Sean Fennessey?

  When the 70mm Festival comes around next fall, we should make some plans around it.

• 48:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I would like to go.

• 48:12Speaker 05

  Do you think we could start recording from the van that's driving around all the reels of 70?

• 48:16Sean Fennessey?

  We'll make some calls. As you know, I am associated with that movement.

• 48:19Amanda Dobbins?

  You can drive it. You can drive. Once again, I'll be the GoPro in the passenger seat.

• 48:24Sean Fennessey?

  It'll be a great opportunity for Pelle Panesia and me, since we know that several Nolan films will be playing at that festival.

• 48:31Speaker 05

  So you have Parasite. You don't have a 2010s?

• 48:34Amanda Dobbins?

  No. There are two good options.

• 48:37Speaker 05

  For the 2010s?

• 48:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. You take one, I'll take the other. It's fine. The Oscars.

• 48:42Speaker 05

  I guess I'll take Argo.

• 48:43Amanda Dobbins?

  They're fine. What?

• 48:45Speaker 05

  What? Wasn't that the 2010s? What are you thinking?

• 48:48Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, I have a choice now. Okay, I, listen, I love the work of Ben Affleck.

• 48:52Speaker 05

  I like Argo in a spotlight.

• 48:53Amanda Dobbins?

  I like Argo and I love the work of Ben Affleck.

• 48:56Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 48:57Amanda Dobbins?

  So that's great. I saw it several times.

• 49:00Speaker 05

  Argo's fine. I mean, I don't have a lot of passion for these 2010s movies.

• 49:04Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting that you've been creating during this period.

• 49:07Speaker 05

  What does that mean?

• 49:08Sean Fennessey?

  Well, just that it's become the economy of your opinion in this era, you know? And so maybe you.

• 49:13Speaker 05

  The 10s? Yeah, I guess so.

• 49:15Sean Fennessey?

  That's your rise.

• 49:17Speaker 05

  My rise is really like a.

• 49:19Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, no, no, no. It was the 2000, right? You were like in these, when was Conclave so real?

• 49:23Speaker 05

  Trump won is what I really started to.

• 49:25Amanda Dobbins?

  No, no, no.

• 49:27Sean Fennessey?

  No, I mean, like, public facing. Like, Conclave so real was a great time for me personally and the nine guys who knew about it.

• 49:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Right, but like, that's where the legend starts. Don't, come on. You know, you were there on the ground floor.

• 49:41Sean Fennessey?

  I, I think, I think what I'm trying to communicate is that Chris became a well-known public opinion have her about culture in the 2010s.

• 49:48Speaker 05

  And?

• 49:49Sean Fennessey?

  And so you, um.

• 49:51Speaker 05

  You think I picked Argo so that I can?

• 49:53Sean Fennessey?

  Hardened your stance at that time.

• 49:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Our faces are not on the logo.

• 49:57Speaker 05

  Kind of like.

• 49:57Sean Fennessey?

  You know, it's like, I've been covering the Eagles for 10 years. I'm no longer a fan of the team.

• 50:03Speaker 05

  I don't know. I don't know if it was me. It was me or is it cinema? You know?

• 50:08Sean Fennessey?

  What do you think?

• 50:09Speaker 05

  I think it was cinema, man. I think it was, I think I got hurt too many times in the 10s.

• 50:13Sean Fennessey?

  We talked about this, uh, last night too, about was Iron Man a, a common good ultimately? Or did he destroy everything?

• 50:19Speaker 05

  Amanda sat down and said that. Yeah.

• 50:21Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 50:22Amanda Dobbins?

  No, that's not.

• 50:24Speaker 05

  Amanda was like.

• 50:24Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I did, I did some kids updates.

• 50:27Speaker 05

  I'll have a whispering angel and I want to talk about whether or not Tony Stark. And then we saw a guy at the movies wearing a Philadelphia Eagles Tony Stark jersey.

• 50:36Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 50:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Really? I didn't see that.

• 50:39Sean Fennessey?

  Chris and I saw that. Yeah. And then Chris befriended that man.

• 50:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Really?

• 50:42Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 50:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. I was like, where was I?

• 50:44Speaker 05

  He's doing Odyssey updates with me now.

• 50:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Damn it.

• 50:48Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm the producer. You have to let me know.

• 50:52Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 50:53Amanda Dobbins?

  So Argo was your 2010s?

• 50:55Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 50:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 50:56Speaker 05

  I got personally requiring Argo. I'm not, I'm okay. I'm fine.

• 50:59Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. So I think I'm going to do 1950s. I'm going to take All About Eve.

• 51:08Speaker 05

  I'm surprised you didn't take American in Paris.

• 51:10Amanda Dobbins?

  That was my backup and I, I love American in Paris and we have, especially the I Got Rhythm scene is sort of like my fashion load star. In addition to being one of the great cinematic achievements, even though it did sort of steal all of the, you know, famously, Amer- American in Paris won best picture. Singing in the Rain was not even nominated.

• 51:29Speaker 05

  Oh.

• 51:30Amanda Dobbins?

  So.

• 51:30Sean Fennessey?

  It's a bit of a controversial Oscar year because it's also the year that Streetcar Named Desire and A Place in the Sun were nominated, which are considered two of the great American movies that have like a more of a dark core. So it's like they picked the wrong musical.

• 51:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 51:44Sean Fennessey?

  starring Gene Kelly and also. You know, streetcar changed movie acting forever.

• 51:50Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 51:52Amanda Dobbins?

  All of that is true. I didn't pick it, but I'm like, I'm reclaiming American in Paris. I think we're underappreciating it a little bit. It's like, I mean, it's so beautiful to look at.

• 52:01Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good movie.

• 52:03Amanda Dobbins?

  And the choreography, and it's a different

• 52:06Amanda Dobbins?

  style of dance that is filmed very beautifully and you don't get to see that much. So, you know,

• 52:12Speaker 05

  but you picked All About Eve.

• 52:13Amanda Dobbins?

  But I picked All About Eve because that's one of the best and most influential movies of in cinema history.

• 52:19Sean Fennessey?

  Ever made.

• 52:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Just very, like, I don't know, like, performances, the concept of Eve.

• 52:26Speaker 05

  They're still doing All About Eve-esque stories.

• 52:28Amanda Dobbins?

  The screenwriting, like, everything. You can just say All About Eve and everyone understands what you're talking about in terms of a person in the world, the character development. It's all time. So, there we go.

• 52:42Sean Fennessey?

  I love All About Eve. I definitely had it on my list. So you both have films in the 1950s.

• 52:48Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 52:48Sean Fennessey?

  You both have films in the 1930s.

• 52:51Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 52:53Sean Fennessey?

  You both have films in the 1990s.

• 52:55Speaker 05

  Yes. And I have a 10.

• 52:57Sean Fennessey?

  And you have a film in the 10s. Amanda does not. I have a film in the 10s. So I need 30s and 50s.

• 53:05Sean Fennessey?

  Or I need a blocker. Not really, doesn't really make sense to block anything in the 2010s for Amanda because she's got two picks because you chose Argo.

• 53:14Sean Fennessey?

  So that's out. Let me just work through this here.

• 53:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 53:19Speaker 05

  Your two picks, nevermind.

• 53:21Sean Fennessey?

  Amanda, yeah, you're missing 1970s right now.

• 53:26Speaker 05

  I'm not worried about that. Because it's either Butch and Sundance or Woodman. So, I'll just jump in there. And you guys already picked 1970s.

• 53:35Sean Fennessey?

  Butch and Sundance are not eligible for that category.

• 53:37Speaker 05

  I meant the guys. I meant the guys.

• 53:39Sean Fennessey?

  Do you want to vamp about Woodman while I game theory out the rest of my draft?

• 53:43Speaker 05

  No.

• 53:44Sean Fennessey?

  You don't? Okay. Well, for 1930s, I'll, I'll take a movie that I was telling you about that I really love, which is Mutiny on the Bounty, which I think is one of the most underrated of the Best Picture winners. That features like one of my favorite screen performances of all time, Charles Lawton's performance as Captain Bligh. There, when I was a kid, AFI did 100 Years, 100 Movies, where they ranked, according to the American Film Institute and the people that they polled, the most important American movies. This, much like that Silence of the Lambs Academy Awards, is a signal event of my life, because it got me on the path of like absorbing film history.

• 54:16Amanda Dobbins?

  Right.

• 54:17Sean Fennessey?

  And trying to go through the list and watch as much as I could. And I wish I had a copy of that special, which I think aired on CBS, because the clips that they showed of Lawton yelling at Clark Gable after he is marooned off the ship is just electrifying shit. And I always liked this adaptation. There have been many adaptations over the years. Um, I guess the most recent one is probably Mel Gibson? Oh, no, that's K. Mutiny.

• 54:42Speaker 05

  Oh, that's K. Mutiny, sorry.

• 54:44Sean Fennessey?

  The, I think it's Mel Gibson and Anthony Hopkins in the late 80s did a version of this called The Mutiny, which is not that great, but um, I really love this one. So that'll be my 1930s pick. Thought about You Can't Take It With You, another movie that I really like, but-

• 54:59Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, it's, it's good, but I also re-watched it as like a backup. And then I was like, I would prefer to be watching it happen one night.

• 55:07Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, you already got the better, the superior capital.

• 55:09Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and it, and it does feel like the Academy was just sort of in a groove of like, okay, the, the Frank Capra romantic comedy.

• 55:19Speaker 05

  Gets to be the best picture, yeah.

• 55:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, gets that this is, this is what we're doing.

• 55:25Sean Fennessey?

  Mutiny on the Bounty, I guess it was the best film of that year.

• 55:30Speaker 05

  1950s?

• 55:31Sean Fennessey?

  So I need 1950s. To me, there's only one pick. And it's On the Waterfront, Keanu Reeves' incredible adaptation of Bud Schulberg's story about a boxer and some gangsters in Hoboken, New Jersey, and the, the loss of the soul of America. Wouldn't you say?

• 55:50Speaker 05

  Yeah. Incredible, uh, Carl Malden performance as the priest, right? To really, he gets really upset on behalf of-

• 55:59Sean Fennessey?

  Do you think in our relationship, am I more of the Steiger and you're more of the Brando?

• 56:05Speaker 05

  I hope so.

• 56:06Sean Fennessey?

  But you're older than me.

• 56:08Speaker 05

  Stager's older than Brando?

• 56:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, he's the big brother.

• 56:11Speaker 05

  Uh, I think I have a more youthful spirit than you, though.

• 56:14Sean Fennessey?

  Interesting.

• 56:15Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 56:15Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 56:15Speaker 05

  Don't you?

• 56:16Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I, I do, yeah.

• 56:18Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 56:19Speaker 05

  I'm still out here doing stuff, you know what I mean?

• 56:21Sean Fennessey?

  Like what?

• 56:22Speaker 05

  Like going to see Cameron Winter, you know what I mean?

• 56:24Sean Fennessey?

  You've cited your attendance at the Cameron Winter concert to me this week nine times. Nine, nine times. One man goes to one concert, wants to be, wants his hand shaken for that attendance.

• 56:37Sean Fennessey?

  You know, on the waterfront. I do think kind of changed the conscience of American movie making, Eli, because Dan also somewhat, unfortunately, I think, using that film to communicate about why he did certain things in terms of House on American Activities and what it means to be a rat and what it means to be an informer and what it means to be.

• 57:04Speaker 05

  He's still doesn't corner.

• 57:04Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, applauded, right? Yes, he's, he's a very controversial figure.

• 57:07Speaker 05

  Yeah, Ed Harris still is just like, nope.

• 57:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yes. But he was a hell of a movie maker and it's a great movie. Okay. Amanda?

• 57:16Amanda Dobbins?

  In Best Picture Loser, I will take a film called The Social Network.

• 57:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Which is available.

• 57:24Sean Fennessey?

  It's great.

• 57:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, this one, like the Best Picture, like Loser, there are so many good ones. And we didn't really explore the blocking thing, so then it's just kind of like

• 57:37Amanda Dobbins?

  so many of our favorite movies that got nominated and did not win, but The Social Network is eligible and that's a good film.

• 57:46Speaker 05

  It's a great movie. Do you like it more than Inception?

• 57:52Amanda Dobbins?

  I do.

• 57:53Speaker 05

  You do?

• 57:55Sean Fennessey?

  Do you?

• 57:56Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 57:57Speaker 05

  It's pretty tight.

• 57:58Sean Fennessey?

  Pretty tight.

• 57:59Speaker 05

  It's pretty tight. You don't think it's pretty tight? Oh, you don't like Inception. That's right.

• 58:02Amanda Dobbins?

  How would you?

• 58:03Speaker 05

  That was like you were.

• 58:04Amanda Dobbins?

  I, I love you so much. I am, I am producing, filming, editing.

• 58:10Speaker 05

  Directing it. Have you taken yourself out of the directorship?

• 58:12Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm doing all of it.

• 58:14Speaker 05

  Uh huh, but?

• 58:14Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, um, you're, you're Christopher Nolan, um, mini.

• 58:21Speaker 05

  Bit?

• 58:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Series. I was about to say mini-series, but why limit it? Um, I think Inception is good.

• 58:29Speaker 05

  It's not that it's social.

• 58:30Amanda Dobbins?

  And I stand, and I have stood with you for the most part against his insanity.

• 58:35Speaker 05

  I'm just saying you take the phone call.

• 58:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 58:37Speaker 05

  You have the meeting.

• 58:38Sean Fennessey?

  With whom?

• 58:39Speaker 05

  It's a Bill-ism. You have the meeting about whether Inception's better than Social Network.

• 58:43Sean Fennessey?

  Who, who?

• 58:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Could you be my answer right now?

• 58:45Speaker 05

  Me and, and, uh, like the grand poobas of Hollywood. We just sit down and we talk it out.

• 58:52Sean Fennessey?

  Those poobas are sitting right here. Yeah, yeah.

• 58:55Speaker 05

  Uh, PTA.

• 58:57Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 58:57Speaker 05

  Spielberg.

• 58:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Cutie has weighed in on this.

• 59:00Speaker 05

  He likes Inception, I bet.

• 59:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Not as much as the social network.

• 59:03Sean Fennessey?

  Is the best movie of the decade.

• 59:06Speaker 05

  I'm just trying, I'm trying.

• 59:07Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, no, it's good content. It's really, it's good content. Yeah.

• 59:09Sean Fennessey?

  Inception. Could you just explain it to me? Just from the very beginning?

• 59:13Speaker 05

  Yeah. You want me to explain it from the very beginning?

• 59:16Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 59:16Speaker 05

  Right now.

• 59:17Sean Fennessey?

  Yep.

• 59:17Amanda Dobbins?

  Do 90, do it in 90 seconds. And then, and the.

• 59:20Speaker 05

  I can't do that.

• 59:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Yes, you can. Go, come on.

• 59:22Speaker 05

  But that's what I, that's what they do with whether it's better or social network.

• 59:24Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm starting the clock. Go.

• 59:25Speaker 05

  Is a dream thief.

• 59:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I don't have a second hand on this.

• 59:28Speaker 05

  Goes into people's subconscious while they're dreaming.

• 59:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 59:31Speaker 05

  Extracts their secrets, usually for corporate gain.

• 59:34Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 59:34Speaker 05

  Uh, and then he, uh, reveals that he has been, uh, like basically exiled from home, wherever that is. Presumably America because of some job he pulled and the death of his wife, Mal, Mall? Mal, right?

• 59:50Sean Fennessey?

  Mall.

• 59:51Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 59:52Amanda Dobbins?

  I forgot.

• 59:53Speaker 05

  Died in limbo.

• 59:54Sean Fennessey?

  Yes.

• 59:54Speaker 05

  Uh, which is a layer of the subconscious dreamscape, but one last job.

• 59:58Amanda Dobbins?

  That was her name.

• 59:59Speaker 05

  Will get him home to his children.

• 1:00:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you.

• 1:00:02Speaker 05

  Who are being raised by Michael Caine.

• 1:00:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:06Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:07Amanda Dobbins?

  And then there's the meme of like, why can't Leo, like Michael Caine, just bring the children to France or whatever.

• 1:00:12Speaker 05

  Well, also, but the kids don't have faces. What's up with that? You know what I mean?

• 1:00:15Sean Fennessey?

  What is up with it? Could you explain it?

• 1:00:16Speaker 05

  Well, they might not be, they might not exist.

• 1:00:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 1:00:19Sean Fennessey?

  Did they die or were they never alive?

• 1:00:20Speaker 05

  They're figments. They're figments of his subconscious.

• 1:00:22Sean Fennessey?

  But were they ever alive?

• 1:00:23Speaker 05

  I don't think so, personally.

• 1:00:24Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:00:25Speaker 05

  I think they were children born in limbo and thus not real, you know?

• 1:00:31Speaker 05

  Uh, and Joseph Gordon-Levitt.

• 1:00:34Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 1:00:34Speaker 05

  And Tom Hardy are wearing incredible jackets and doing amazing stuff with Gabby.

• 1:00:39Amanda Dobbins?

  And the world folds over on itself and then...

• 1:00:41Speaker 05

  Your Majesty's seizures.

• 1:00:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, yeah, they do the skiing. Yeah, but shooting. And then...

• 1:00:46Speaker 05

  Is there any skiing in social network?

• 1:00:48Amanda Dobbins?

  And then they slow down La Vie en Rose, or is it Genègre en Rien?

• 1:00:54Speaker 05

  I think it's Genègre en Rien. You're just getting your pee off confused because of Marion.

• 1:00:58Amanda Dobbins?

  Wah wah wah. La Vie en Rose was also, the biopic was released around this Oscar time.

• 1:01:04Speaker 05

  She was cooking.

• 1:01:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, and she gave the great Oscar speech of, it is true that there are angels in this city tonight.

• 1:01:10Speaker 05

  Did you see that she recently apologized for her performance as Talia Al Ghul?

• 1:01:14Amanda Dobbins?

  I thought you were about to say she apologized for something else.

• 1:01:16Sean Fennessey?

  What were her thoughts on 9/11?

• 1:01:17Speaker 05

  She said that she realizes now that her death scene was not adequate.

• 1:01:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:23Sean Fennessey?

  Not adequate.

• 1:01:24Amanda Dobbins?

  She was just like, sometimes you just can't find the right position and...

• 1:01:28Speaker 05

  Because she had her neck broken, but she...

• 1:01:29Amanda Dobbins?

  It doesn't happen. She's like, it sucks. I screwed it up.

• 1:01:31Speaker 05

  I sucked in that scene.

• 1:01:32Sean Fennessey?

  Could you do an impression of her apologizing for that scene?

• 1:01:40Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. What is on...

• 1:01:42Speaker 05

  Bob, do you think inception is better than social network?

• 1:01:44Speaker 06

  No.

• 1:01:44Amanda Dobbins?

  Is this sweet?

• 1:01:45Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:01:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I am.

• 1:01:46Speaker 05

  I am, yeah.

• 1:01:47Sean Fennessey?

  How do you say I'm sorry?

• 1:01:48Speaker 06

  I do think inception is good, though. I'm with you on that.

• 1:01:51Sean Fennessey?

  Very brave take.

• 1:01:52Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I know it's good.

• 1:01:53Speaker 06

  I would take the call, however, I would not Nico Harrison the situation and trade.

• 1:01:57Speaker 05

  I think Patrick Dumont convenes his, his decision makers.

• 1:02:01Sean Fennessey?

  To...

• 1:02:02Speaker 05

  To talk about whether or not inception is better than social network.

• 1:02:05Sean Fennessey?

  You, you taking inception over social network does have strong AD for Luca vibes.

• 1:02:12Sean Fennessey?

  I like how we're just retconning it. He didn't actually take.

• 1:02:14Speaker 05

  I didn't do that. I fucked up and took Argo, but I didn't really even fuck up. I just took it too early.

• 1:02:19Sean Fennessey?

  You liked Argo because it was about Hollywood? Is that what it was?

• 1:02:22Speaker 05

  I mean, it's a classic Best Picture winner, isn't it? It is.

• 1:02:26Amanda Dobbins?

  It's about the beauty. A classic Best Picture speech.

• 1:02:28Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:28Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:02:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Marriage is hard.

• 1:02:30Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. Two, eighteen months later, divorced.

• 1:02:36Sean Fennessey?

  Argo is based on a true story.

• 1:02:39Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:02:40Sean Fennessey?

  It's about getting a team together to make something.

• 1:02:43Speaker 05

  Yes.

• 1:02:44Sean Fennessey?

  And it is.

• 1:02:45Speaker 05

  It also pushes the boundaries of fact or fiction.

• 1:02:48Sean Fennessey?

  Let me ask you this. What'd you think about Ben Affleck not being included in the five directors for Best Director that year? Did you think it was a crime?

• 1:02:54Speaker 05

  Who else was in, who was nominated that year?

• 1:02:57Sean Fennessey?

  Marion Cotillard for her YouTube comments.

• 1:03:00Amanda Dobbins?

  Steven Spielberg for Lincoln, which did not win.

• 1:03:03Speaker 05

  Oh, that's crazy.

• 1:03:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:04Speaker 05

  I've been trying to get Lincoln on Rewatchables.

• 1:03:07Amanda Dobbins?

  You picked Argo instead of Lincoln.

• 1:03:08Sean Fennessey?

  Did you hear Chris and I tell the story about us being at Yee Rustic on like a Wednesday night? And there were like forty TVs in the bar.

• 1:03:17Speaker 05

  Was it after Romulus?

• 1:03:18Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, no, we went to go see Gladiator Two.

• 1:03:20Speaker 05

  That's right.

• 1:03:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:03:21Sean Fennessey?

  And then Chris at, God bless him, at like ten fifteen PM after the two hours and forty minutes of Gladiator Two was like, you wanna go get a drink?

• 1:03:27Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:28Sean Fennessey?

  And I was like, I really shouldn't because I'm gonna be up in six hours.

• 1:03:32Speaker 05

  But he did it.

• 1:03:32Sean Fennessey?

  But I did go out. We went to Yee Rustic in which we used to go to all the time in the 2010s and never go to anymore. We walk in, forty televisions on. They're all playing NBA games.

• 1:03:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:03:42Sean Fennessey?

  Except for one television in the center of the bar, which is tuned to TCM showing a screening of Lincoln. And Chris and I stopped talking.

• 1:03:49Speaker 05

  And we were just like, watch, watch Tommy Lee Jones cook with a wig on.

• 1:03:54Sean Fennessey?

  And I was honestly so moved.

• 1:03:55Speaker 05

  Get amendments passed.

• 1:03:57Sean Fennessey?

  And I understood everything with no dialogue. I couldn't, we couldn't hear the film.

• 1:04:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:04:02Sean Fennessey?

  But I knew exactly what was happening and where we were in the movie.

• 1:04:03Amanda Dobbins?

  The plane, the seat front test, yeah.

• 1:04:06Sean Fennessey?

  And we were so touched. And then like four or five days later, we're on the Rewatchables and we just started bullying Bill about Lincoln, but then he didn't say anything.

• 1:04:11Amanda Dobbins?

  I did, I did hear that, yeah.

• 1:04:12Sean Fennessey?

  Um, and we really.

• 1:04:14Amanda Dobbins?

  The fortieth anniversary of Witness has come and gone, so.

• 1:04:16Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, no. Did you send your note?

• 1:04:17Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I asked you to pass the message along.

• 1:04:20Sean Fennessey?

  Oh, yeah, I didn't do that. Sorry about that.

• 1:04:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Technically, we're still in the, no, now it's two weeks when this airs.

• 1:04:25Sean Fennessey?

  Do you like Witness?

• 1:04:26Speaker 05

  I love Witness.

• 1:04:28Sean Fennessey?

  Which, do you think it's great?

• 1:04:30Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think it's really good.

• 1:04:31Sean Fennessey?

  Okay. I think I said to Amanda, it's top eight Peter Weir.

• 1:04:34Amanda Dobbins?

  So?

• 1:04:37Speaker 05

  Is it better than Mosquito Coast, do you think?

• 1:04:39Sean Fennessey?

  I love that movie, but it is better than that movie. But I love that movie.

• 1:04:42Speaker 05

  Do you think it's better than Master and Commander?

• 1:04:44Sean Fennessey?

  No.

• 1:04:46Speaker 05

  Do you think it's better than White Squaw?

• 1:04:49Sean Fennessey?

  Yes, no, that's Ridley Scott.

• 1:04:51Speaker 05

  That's Ridley Scott. No, he had a boat movie, though.

• 1:04:54Sean Fennessey?

  Mosquito Coast.

• 1:04:57Sean Fennessey?

  Let me see if I can do it off the top of my head. Picnic at Hanging Rock.

• 1:05:00Amanda Dobbins?

  It's not better than Picnic at Hanging Rock.

• 1:05:01Sean Fennessey?

  The Last Wave. Uh, Fearless.

• 1:05:05Speaker 05

  I love Fearless.

• 1:05:05Sean Fennessey?

  Great movie.

• 1:05:07Speaker 05

  It just drives into a wall, listening to U2, because he can't die.

• 1:05:10Sean Fennessey?

  Dead Poets Society.

• 1:05:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:05:12Sean Fennessey?

  The Way Back. Uh, The Truman Show. Uh, there's one more. Oh, Master and Commander.

• 1:05:19Speaker 05

  Did he make a, didn't make another boat movie?

• 1:05:21Sean Fennessey?

  And then, for me, comes Witness. I'm not, I think Witness is really good. That wasn't the ranking, but those are the seven in front of it.

• 1:05:27Speaker 05

  Except for a weird jump he made, and then he was like, Witness is not as good as these, a bunch of these.

• 1:05:31Sean Fennessey?

  Those are the seven that I would put four with.

• 1:05:34Speaker 05

  If Witness starred Paul Giamatti, would you think it was that good?

• 1:05:36Amanda Dobbins?

  No, but it is, listen. When this is in the world, our thoughts about Red Hulk will also be in the world. And I spent some time last night watching my wonderful Harrison Ford.

• 1:05:52Sean Fennessey?

  Your beautiful boy.

• 1:05:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Or my beautiful boy, and just being like, this is, this is a disgrace.

• 1:05:57Speaker 05

  On a, on a Peloton, yeah.

• 1:05:59Amanda Dobbins?

  That, I mean, that was kind of funny. Like, it wasn't that funny.

• 1:06:01Speaker 05

  It was the only funny part of it.

• 1:06:02Amanda Dobbins?

  But it like, it wasn't even that funny. They just like, put him on a Peloton. Anyway, you know what? Once upon a time, like Harrison Ford is a movie star, and if you don't know how to use him, you fucked up. And Peter Weir didn't fuck up.

• 1:06:17Speaker 05

  Is it my turn?

• 1:06:18Sean Fennessey?

  I believe it is.

• 1:06:19Speaker 05

  I agree with you. I think Witness is great. It's a, it's, it doesn't depict Philadelphia police in the greatest of lights.

• 1:06:25Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, maybe it's just honest filmmaking.

• 1:06:29Sean Fennessey?

  Witness, of course, nominated for Best Picture.

• 1:06:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Teaches you how to build a house, but in the eighties, so it's not eligible for this draft.

• 1:06:37Speaker 05

  In nineteen seventies, I'm gonna take the sting.

• 1:06:39Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:06:39Amanda Dobbins?

  Interesting.

• 1:06:40Sean Fennessey?

  It's a real cuck pick.

• 1:06:42Amanda Dobbins?

  My parents tried to make me watch The Sting when I was like eight.

• 1:06:47Speaker 05

  Do you not like The Sting?

• 1:06:48Amanda Dobbins?

  No, I've loved The Sting, but I, once again, eight is too young to watch The Sting.

• 1:06:52Speaker 05

  I, I just watched The Sting the most out of all these movies.

• 1:06:55Amanda Dobbins?

  It's just like, show me Star Wars.

• 1:06:56Sean Fennessey?

  So you think, this is really interesting. The Sting is obviously a great, like a lot of fun. Tremendously entertaining movie.

• 1:07:04Speaker 05

  Uh huh.

• 1:07:05Sean Fennessey?

  Um, and you know, you get why, and it was sort of like, they didn't totally recognize Butch Cassidy and they needed to maybe go out of their way to acknowledge this movie that everyone agreed was a great time at the movies.

• 1:07:15Speaker 05

  But was not like important.

• 1:07:18Sean Fennessey?

  No, it's not really about anything, you know? It's just an adventure movie and the Oscars often, though not always, attempts to award.

• 1:07:25Speaker 05

  I think I'm picking movies I like rather than movies that are like the best, best pictures.

• 1:07:29Sean Fennessey?

  I'm not, I'm not criticizing you.

• 1:07:30Speaker 05

  I, I, I would say Annie Hall and Deer Hunter are probably more important films. French Connection even maybe is a more important film.

• 1:07:37Sean Fennessey?

  That was gonna be my question is, do you think this over the Deer Hunter?

• 1:07:41Speaker 05

  I've definitely seen this 20 times more than the Deer Hunter. I think I've seen the Deer Hunter like five times. I've seen The Sting like a hundred times.

• 1:07:47Amanda Dobbins?

  Deer Hunter is quite long.

• 1:07:48Sean Fennessey?

  It is quite long.

• 1:07:49Amanda Dobbins?

  My dad just likes to watch the first half.

• 1:07:51Sean Fennessey?

  Not an easy sit.

• 1:07:52Speaker 05

  Your dad just likes the, uh, the Pennsylvania stuff?

• 1:07:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Seriously, for a 70th.

• 1:07:56Speaker 05

  This is better than saying I just like the second half.

• 1:07:58Amanda Dobbins?

  He watched the first half of the Deer Hunter and had pancakes for dinner.

• 1:08:01Speaker 05

  That's cool.

• 1:08:02Amanda Dobbins?

  Shout out my dad. What a legend.

• 1:08:03Sean Fennessey?

  Again, the Deer Hunter, another movie that I'm like, when you're making comparisons to The Brutalist, these movies have so much in common. They're so similar, or the bifurcation, the crazy stuff in the second half.

• 1:08:13Speaker 05

  Him that the Deer Hunter is important to The Brutalist.

• 1:08:15Sean Fennessey?

  No, cuz I think I'm always.

• 1:08:16Amanda Dobbins?

  He's been, he, no, he's just like the brutalist, the brutalist, you know? And he knows I got him a little, so.

• 1:08:22Sean Fennessey?

  Well, no, I, I like the, I like the pushback. I think, I think when I.

• 1:08:26Amanda Dobbins?

  I said, I said that the first half of it was transcendent. And then I had some notes.

• 1:08:31Sean Fennessey?

  What was, what did we quote you saying? I haven't been able to.

• 1:08:35Amanda Dobbins?

  No, it's living rent free in my head.

• 1:08:37Sean Fennessey?

  Living rent free in my head.

• 1:08:38Amanda Dobbins?

  Which I think users of the internet will understand that isn't like 100% an endorsement.

• 1:08:44Sean Fennessey?

  And Brutalist Industries has commodified that quote.

• 1:08:48Amanda Dobbins?

  That's fine, you know?

• 1:08:50Sean Fennessey?

  No, the, the point I was gonna make with the Deer Hunter is, whenever people are like, did that character really have to do that at the end of The Brutalist? I'm like, have you seen the end of the Deer Hunter? The guy's playing fucking Russian roulette and he won't leave Vietnam. Like, this is, what are you talking about? This is what movies do. Crazy shit happens in the second half of movies that makes us have emotional catharsis. Anyway, that's why I find like all of those criticisms super lame. I digress. That was not a criticism of your criticisms. Uh, I would have taken The Deer Hunter over The Sting, but The Sting's great.

• 1:09:16Speaker 05

  The Sting is great. Robert Redford and Paul Newman and George Ray Hill's caper about a con they're pulling in the nineteen...

• 1:09:24Sean Fennessey?

  Twenties?

• 1:09:24Speaker 05

  Well, not the roaring twenties. I think it's depression. It's the thirties. When's prohibition happening?

• 1:09:29Sean Fennessey?

  Twenties into the thirties?

• 1:09:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Set in nineteen thirty-six.

• 1:09:31Speaker 05

  There you go. Uh, Eddie Hall is very high up there. French Connection is very high up there.

• 1:09:37Sean Fennessey?

  Hmm.

• 1:09:37Speaker 05

  Um, I like Kramer vs. Kramer. Uh, but for my loser...

• 1:09:42Sean Fennessey?

  Well, quickly before you move on, the other, the third film that won the big five is also in the nineteen seventies, One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

• 1:09:49Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:09:49Amanda Dobbins?

  Hmm, yeah.

• 1:09:51Sean Fennessey?

  For Luis Fletcher, Nicholson, Milos Forman. Picture screenplay.

• 1:09:57Speaker 05

  For a loser, I'll take Goodfellas. Nineteen ninety.

• 1:10:00Sean Fennessey?

  It's a good pick.

• 1:10:00Amanda Dobbins?

  It's a good one.

• 1:10:01Speaker 05

  Among my favorite two or three films.

• 1:10:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:03Speaker 05

  And tragic that this did not win.

• 1:10:07Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, it's an abomination.

• 1:10:08Speaker 05

  Yeah. Maybe the great, even, I'd say, I think it's a good pick because it's one of the greatest crimes in Oscar history.

• 1:10:15Sean Fennessey?

  It's particularly amusing now because both Open Range and the Horizon films are gonna end up being better than Dances with Wolves. And we really rushed to Anoint Kevin as the great cinematic visionary. Open Range is fire.

• 1:10:30Amanda Dobbins?

  I know. I, we can't go back to the Kevin Costner thing right now. We can't, we can't relitigate it.

• 1:10:35Sean Fennessey?

  Not only fire, it's hot fire.

• 1:10:37Speaker 05

  Did you see all the streets? They're just, they're talking about Horizon Part Two.

• 1:10:41Sean Fennessey?

  I know. I was with you on the night when I was like, I had a ticket.

• 1:10:44Speaker 05

  Yeah, but that was like original, like, oh, people are too close to this, but the reviews are strong.

• 1:10:50Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, it's gonna be great. I'm so pumped and it's never coming out.

• 1:10:55Speaker 05

  What if this is like the true reinvention of avant-garde independent cinema is like taking our files or our reels of Horizon Part Two and going around the country and showing it in people's like garages and stuff?

• 1:11:08Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, road showing it.

• 1:11:09Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:11:09Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, independently. That sounds good to me.

• 1:11:12Amanda Dobbins?

  Is that your next podcast?

• 1:11:13Sean Fennessey?

  I would like it to be.

• 1:11:14Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you hoping for me to direct and light that for you?

• 1:11:18Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think you have respect for my face, so I'm not sure that I want you to light me. I-

• 1:11:23Amanda Dobbins?

  That's not true. You don't have respect for your face. I'm trying to get you to cut back on exfoliating, you know?

• 1:11:28Speaker 05

  You think you exfoliate too much?

• 1:11:29Amanda Dobbins?

  He exfoliates every time he's in the shower, which is every day.

• 1:11:31Speaker 05

  Oh, you're not supposed to do that, right?

• 1:11:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, thank you. Yeah.

• 1:11:34Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah. I mean, my skin is clear. I don't know what you're talking about.

• 1:11:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, no, it's not just about like-

• 1:11:38Sean Fennessey?

  I moisturize.

• 1:11:41Amanda Dobbins?

  Everyone, like, everyone who is listening who knows about these things is screaming a little, because we want what's good for you.

• 1:11:47Sean Fennessey?

  What actually is happening to me? Like, what is the-

• 1:11:49Amanda Dobbins?

  You're damaging your skin barrier. Yeah, you're over, you're over, you're over-exfoliating and you're making it like, you know, weak and sad. And you could have, you only need to exfoliate once or twice a week.

• 1:12:03Sean Fennessey?

  But like, what is actually, what's bad that I'm doing? Like, what's the downside?

• 1:12:06Amanda Dobbins?

  You're just like, literally putting, you're scraping off your skin.

• 1:12:11Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh.

• 1:12:11Amanda Dobbins?

  At an aggressive rate.

• 1:12:13Sean Fennessey?

  What's gonna happen that's bad?

• 1:12:14Amanda Dobbins?

  You-

• 1:12:15Speaker 05

  You ever see scanners?

• 1:12:19Sean Fennessey?

  I think I'm, I think I'm just waiting for like, a medical issue here.

• 1:12:23Amanda Dobbins?

  No.

• 1:12:23Speaker 05

  Does it make it more exposed to the sun?

• 1:12:25Sean Fennessey?

  Like, I'm not, I don't care how I look anyway. So what is really-

• 1:12:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Then why are you exfoliating?

• 1:12:29Sean Fennessey?

  But I don't go in the sun.

• 1:12:30Amanda Dobbins?

  Like, but why are you exfoliating?

• 1:12:32Sean Fennessey?

  Because I want my skin, I want to be clean. Like, I don't want to have like, blemishes.

• 1:12:35Amanda Dobbins?

  Right. But actually, your skin can be over-exfoliated and then like, start over-producing oil as to try to rehydrate it in order to-

• 1:12:44Sean Fennessey?

  I've gotta tell you something, that's not happening.

• 1:12:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, I just-

• 1:12:46Sean Fennessey?

  I'm beating the system.

• 1:12:47Amanda Dobbins?

  It's too much irritation, redness?

• 1:12:50Sean Fennessey?

  Perhaps we should consider that I am the skinfluencer in this equation.

• 1:12:54Speaker 05

  Yeah, that's true.

• 1:12:55Sean Fennessey?

  And that I have landed on a new methodology-

• 1:12:57Amanda Dobbins?

  Are you using like, St. Ives? Like, what are you using?

• 1:13:00Speaker 05

  You have like, a little bit of like, a, like, you look down your nose a little bit at some of our favorite drugstore brands. You know that?

• 1:13:06Amanda Dobbins?

  No, St. Ives, like-

• 1:13:07Speaker 05

  I feel like, because you took a shot at me for using Old Spice once and I was like, Old Spice got me from high school.

• 1:13:11Amanda Dobbins?

  Old Spice is like, is, you know-

• 1:13:13Speaker 05

  I got laid for the first time wearing Old Spice.

• 1:13:17Speaker 05

  Stay in your lane.

• 1:13:22Speaker 05

  Chick's dig Old Spice.

• 1:13:26Sean Fennessey?

  Um, I, I think it's, I think it's Nivea is the brand.

• 1:13:29Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, that's, I mean, St. Ives is like notorious, that was like a product of our youth. But that is like actually just like plastic beads that are just like scratching your skin and scarring them. So that's bad. I use, uh, drugstore products every single day. I use Cetaphil and I use Serpice. So each shit.

• 1:13:47Speaker 05

  As well. No, I like those products both, but I just feel like sometimes I'll be like, oh yeah, I use this. And you're just like, oh my God, Chris, like you're gonna die tomorrow.

• 1:13:54Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, it's just Old Spice, like you are no longer seventeen or whatever.

• 1:14:00Speaker 05

  In terms of my scent?

• 1:14:01Amanda Dobbins?

  When you got laid for the first time, which I don't need to know.

• 1:14:04Sean Fennessey?

  Why don't you recap that night for us? So a man wakes up, puts on some Old Spice.

• 1:14:08Speaker 05

  If I did that, yeah, yeah. Nevermind.

• 1:14:11Amanda Dobbins?

  You know, at some point we need to act our age, but that's okay.

• 1:14:15Speaker 05

  I act my age. I have like.

• 1:14:16Amanda Dobbins?

  But so you, you're still wearing Old Spice?

• 1:14:20Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:14:20Amanda Dobbins?

  If it ain't broke, that's fine.

• 1:14:21Speaker 05

  But I switch, I switch up the scent every once in a while.

• 1:14:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:14:24Speaker 05

  Like volcano Fiji.

• 1:14:25Amanda Dobbins?

  You're not into.

• 1:14:28Speaker 05

  What's wrong with that?

• 1:14:30Amanda Dobbins?

  What was today?

• 1:14:32Speaker 05

  I think I'm on a Fiji run.

• 1:14:34Amanda Dobbins?

  And how would you describe?

• 1:14:36Speaker 05

  Do you think I smell bad? I also like, sometimes I put on a little bit of like a tobacco cologne, but then I overwhelm myself with the scent.

• 1:14:48Speaker 05

  You okay?

• 1:14:51Sean Fennessey?

  So the circling bag.

• 1:14:55Sean Fennessey?

  We have another pod to record immediately after this, so.

• 1:15:00Sean Fennessey?

  Did you make a pick?

• 1:15:02Speaker 05

  Yeah, I took Goodfellas.

• 1:15:03Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah, now what are you doing?

• 1:15:06Amanda Dobbins?

  What am I doing? Oh, 2010s. Um, I'm gonna take Moonlight.

• 1:15:10Sean Fennessey?

  Yeah.

• 1:15:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Which it, as like, when we talk about the history of Best Picture, we talk about the last ten years. Sean writes like a whole thing. I, that, that was mean and I'm not trying to be mean. I really still am stuck on Fiji, uh, Old Spice. Um.

• 1:15:24Sean Fennessey?

  Sean writes a whole thing? What are you talking about?

• 1:15:26Amanda Dobbins?

  You, the night that Moonlight won Best Picture, you wrote a piece that was like, this is a new academy. This is changing the way that we understand Best Picture. And that has been just kind of a. A turning point, I think, in our understanding and like this shows.

• 1:15:42Sean Fennessey?

  I think that's true.

• 1:15:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I think that's true, and I agree with you.

• 1:15:44Sean Fennessey?

  Not always right, but that time I was.

• 1:15:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Since we always, we talk about it in the historical terms so often that I think we forget what a wonderful movie it is.

• 1:15:53Sean Fennessey?

  Agreed.

• 1:15:54Amanda Dobbins?

  And beautiful and the experience of, I mean, that Mahershala Ali scene in the water the first time, you know, and giving us Barry Jenkins as a filmmaker, it wasn't his first film, but that kind of, you know, sets him on his path to to Beale Street and to Underground Railroad and to other live action.

• 1:16:16Sean Fennessey?

  Mufasa and to Mufasa, Colin, The Lion King.

• 1:16:18Amanda Dobbins?

  Sure.

• 1:16:19Sean Fennessey?

  Which I'll have you know, has turned out to be quite a box office success after its initial underperformance. It is kind of the greatest showman of this year.

• 1:16:28Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay. Anyway, Moonlight, beautiful film.

• 1:16:32Sean Fennessey?

  I love it. Yeah.

• 1:16:33Speaker 05

  Augustus Bader, was that cream?

• 1:16:37Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh, Augustinus Bader.

• 1:16:39Speaker 05

  I use that.

• 1:16:40Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you, are you, which one?

• 1:16:42Speaker 05

  The one that comes in like the little like dark blue cream.

• 1:16:45Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, I mean, they all come in the dark blue. That's the packaging. So you use the rich cream?

• 1:16:49Speaker 05

  Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

• 1:16:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Really?

• 1:16:50Speaker 05

  On my face.

• 1:16:51Amanda Dobbins?

  Do you like it?

• 1:16:52Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:16:52Amanda Dobbins?

  I have been thinking about, I'm almost done with my Ventnor's daughter and I was thinking about upgrading it.

• 1:16:56Speaker 05

  And sometimes I use Drunken Elephant.

• 1:16:58Amanda Dobbins?

  No, you, you use that a lot. That's like your product, but is the, the rich cream, are you borrowing it from Phoebe?

• 1:17:04Speaker 05

  Oh, my wife keeps all this stuff. Yeah.

• 1:17:06Amanda Dobbins?

  So that's not yours, but the drunk elephant is yours?

• 1:17:09Speaker 05

  Yep.

• 1:17:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah. Okay. That's exciting. Augustinus Bader was the cream in Challengers.

• 1:17:15Sean Fennessey?

  I recall the name.

• 1:17:17Amanda Dobbins?

  And they also made the Sophia lip balm.

• 1:17:20Speaker 05

  So I'm done?

• 1:17:21Sean Fennessey?

  You're done and you're done.

• 1:17:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:17:23Speaker 05

  And you have loser. And you have like all this cinema to pick from.

• 1:17:26Sean Fennessey?

  I have the entire history of movies to choose.

• 1:17:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I'm sure you'll be very cool about it and not read a list of 85 to 100 films.

• 1:17:34Sean Fennessey?

  I only have 26 listed here. What do you mean?

• 1:17:36Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, 26. You can read them. Read them.

• 1:17:39Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, no. I... Can I guess?

• 1:17:43Amanda Dobbins?

  I was getting comfortable. I was ready. Go ahead.

• 1:17:46Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, you can guess. Get out. Nope. Well, now I feel the 2010s has been taken, so I'd like to choose something from an era that was not already selected. So you chose 1990 and she chose 2010s. So maybe I should go to a different decade, right? So 30s, 50s, 70s. Oh, 70s. All day long. Let's go.

• 1:18:04Amanda Dobbins?

  Network?

• 1:18:06Sean Fennessey?

  It's on the long list.

• 1:18:06Amanda Dobbins?

  All the President's Men?

• 1:18:07Sean Fennessey?

  It's on the long list.

• 1:18:08Amanda Dobbins?

  That was almost what I did.

• 1:18:09Sean Fennessey?

  Would have been a good one.

• 1:18:10Amanda Dobbins?

  Thank you. Um...

• 1:18:12Sean Fennessey?

  Perfect film.

• 1:18:13Amanda Dobbins?

  I agree.

• 1:18:14Sean Fennessey?

  If I had to choose a Nicholson movie from this era, it would be Chinatown.

• 1:18:18Amanda Dobbins?

  But you can have Chinatown, because I did Godfather Part Two.

• 1:18:21Sean Fennessey?

  That's right. Apocalypse Now? Uh, Apocalypse Now is on the list. MASH. Are there other Altman's I would have nominated for Best Picture? Sorry, Big Shot. Okay. I think MASH is cool. I think it's a cool movie. I know why it was a phenomenon. I get it. It is just, it's not in my upper crust of Altman favorites personally. Okay.

• 1:18:43Amanda Dobbins?

  Jaws?

• 1:18:44Sean Fennessey?

  Jaws?

• 1:18:45Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, you could. Now I'm going 50s.

• 1:18:49Sean Fennessey?

  What about Star Wars? Dog Day Afternoon, Coming Home. Coming Home, like, my favorite, my favorite ending in the 1970s.

• 1:18:56Amanda Dobbins?

  I mean, I know what you should do.

• 1:18:58Sean Fennessey?

  What about, uh, The Gay Divorcee? Um, no. You know what I should do?

• 1:19:03Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:19:04Sean Fennessey?

  What should I do?

• 1:19:05Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, why don't you make a decision and then I'll tell you whether it was the right one?

• 1:19:09Sean Fennessey?

  Fellowship of the Ring?

• 1:19:14Sean Fennessey?

  I don't think that's eligible. Is it not? Well, it's 2000s, isn't it? Oh. Fellowship of the Ring, uh, it was 2001, so we're not drafting from that time. Do you think you and I should do a Lord of the Rings pod? A lot of people are asking for it. But, I mean, like, every film. Like, it's just me and, just, just me, no, nothing personal, just me and you.

• 1:19:31Amanda Dobbins?

  It's really fine.

• 1:19:32Sean Fennessey?

  Because of what those films have meant to our friendship, but... What if we just did a Hobbit pod?

• 1:19:36Amanda Dobbins?

  You can't do it this year. Listen, I'm just, I'm, I'm sorry I'm stepping in to just marshal your time.

• 1:19:41Sean Fennessey?

  Because I have a lot of pods planned?

• 1:19:42Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, because you were, like, panic texting yesterday about the number of podcasts. And also you keep being like, I need a, I need a, you know, sabbatical. I need a sabbatical.

• 1:19:51Sean Fennessey?

  His sabbatical will be recapping the Hobbit movies with me.

• 1:19:53Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:19:54Sean Fennessey?

  That would be a joy.

• 1:19:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Once again, I'm available to light and direct.

• 1:19:58Sean Fennessey?

  I wanted, I just want to spend somewhere between one and 14 hours talking about the desolation of Smaug with Chris.

• 1:20:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Is that Smaug? Is that how we're pronouncing it?

• 1:20:08Sean Fennessey?

  I think so, yeah.

• 1:20:09Speaker 05

  He has a little vulnerability right here. On his belly.

• 1:20:13Sean Fennessey?

  Benedict Cumberbatch, his best performance.

• 1:20:15Speaker 05

  And, uh, who's that guy? The guy that the river dweller? Who's that dude?

• 1:20:19Sean Fennessey?

  Not sure. I saw Becoming Led Zeppelin yesterday, as you guys know, and, uh, there's like a pretty extended period where Robert Plant talks about writing the lyrics to Ramble On. And during the film, the, like, it cuts to archival footage of a man opening the Lord of the Rings.

• 1:20:37Sean Fennessey?

  And showing us a draw, a pencil drawing of Mordor. Which of course is cited in the song. Anyway, uh, I think I will choose, uh, Barry Lyndon. Okay, that's what I wanted.

• 1:20:57Sean Fennessey?

  Barry Lyndon, directed by Stanley Kubrick. One of the most beautiful and striking movies ever made. Amanda's never seen it, so she doesn't know what she's talking about.

• 1:21:06Amanda Dobbins?

  Of course, I've seen Barry Lyndon. I like painterly things. They used real candlelight. Awesome, okay? What about the fucking Wizard of Oz? Put your money where your mouth is.

• 1:21:14Speaker 05

  Do you think that inception's better than Barry Lyndon?

• 1:21:19Sean Fennessey?

  I thought about the Wizard of Oz.

• 1:21:20Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:21:21Sean Fennessey?

  You can come see, it's on my list.

• 1:21:22Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:21:22Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, I love the Wizard of Oz, one of my favorite movies of all time, but, um, I didn't want to give Wicked anymore shine. So I opted against it. Feel like we need to quiet the wicked people right now.

• 1:21:32Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:21:33Sean Fennessey?

  Tell them to settle down. So that's it. Draft's done. We learned a lot about deodorant in this discussion. We learned a lot about skincare and-

• 1:21:41Speaker 05

  Agent Grease.

• 1:21:42Sean Fennessey?

  Uh, Chris's virginity.

• 1:21:44Speaker 05

  No, we didn't really learn anything about that.

• 1:21:46Sean Fennessey?

  We, we did. We learned a lot about it.

• 1:21:48Speaker 05

  I just said that that-

• 1:21:49Sean Fennessey?

  You, you said you still have your virginity? What did you say?

• 1:21:52Speaker 05

  I said, I had a sig- I, I guess I have a signature scent.

• 1:21:55Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay, and it's just Old Spice.

• 1:21:57Speaker 05

  It's variations on, on Old Spice's powerful anti-persevere deodorant.

• 1:22:01Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:22:02Sean Fennessey?

  Your All Spice brand is testicular musk, is that what you said?

• 1:22:06Speaker 05

  Honestly, that's fucking beneath you.

• 1:22:08Sean Fennessey?

  What's beneath you? What, what do you mean?

• 1:22:10Speaker 05

  No, mine is, uh, it's a timber, or Fiji, or volcano.

• 1:22:16Speaker 05

  Or there was like some like Northwest Passage.

• 1:22:19Amanda Dobbins?

  What are the set notes in Volcano?

• 1:22:22Speaker 05

  Smoke.

• 1:22:23Amanda Dobbins?

  Okay.

• 1:22:23Speaker 05

  Yeah.

• 1:22:24Amanda Dobbins?

  Well, sure.

• 1:22:24Speaker 05

  Yeah. It's made of real lava.

• 1:22:26Amanda Dobbins?

  Um, does Old Space do a natural deodorant yet?

• 1:22:29Speaker 05

  I don't know. I'm way past that point.

• 1:22:31Amanda Dobbins?

  Oh.

• 1:22:32Sean Fennessey?

  Guys, let's recap. Uh, I had the first pick, so I'll recap first. In 1930s, I chose Mutiny on the Bounty. In 1950s, On the Waterfront. In 1970s, The Godfather. In 1990s, The Silence of the Lambs. In 2010s, Parasite. And in Best Picture, Loser, I chose Barry Lyndon.

• 1:22:52Amanda Dobbins?

  I just remember his little vulnerability.

• 1:22:56Sean Fennessey?

  Smell.

• 1:22:57Speaker 05

  Uh, 1930s, I took All Quiet on the Western Front. In 1950s, I took Bridge on the River Kwai. In 1970s, I took The Sting. In 1990s, I took Unforgiven. In the 2010s, I took Argo and got shit for it. And for Loser, I took Goodfellas. I initially was like, I fucked this draft up. Maybe I should get myself a little bit more serious about these things. And now I think I did a good job.

• 1:23:19Sean Fennessey?

  Okay.

• 1:23:20Speaker 05

  Yeah, came all the way back around.

• 1:23:21Sean Fennessey?

  Uh huh, I see.

• 1:23:22Speaker 05

  And I also think I introduced a lot of ideas to the show.

• 1:23:26Sean Fennessey?

  Cool. Very proud of, very proud of you.

• 1:23:28Amanda Dobbins?

  I have to do this without laughing and I really have the giggles. Okay. Uh, in 1930s, I took It Happened One Night. In 1950s, I took All About Eve. In the 1970s, The Godfather Part Two. In 1990s, Titanic. In the 2010s, Moonlight. And Best Picture, Loser, The Social Network.

• 1:23:45Speaker 05

  I think you probably won.

• 1:23:46Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah, absolutely. I mean, who can say?

• 1:23:49Sean Fennessey?

  You know, we let you have your board.

• 1:23:50Amanda Dobbins?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:50Sean Fennessey?

  It's okay. It's not, not personal.

• 1:23:52Amanda Dobbins?

  You know what?

• 1:23:53Sean Fennessey?

  It's not personal. It's out of love.

• 1:23:54Amanda Dobbins?

  You don't need, but you don't need a dick about it.

• 1:23:58Sean Fennessey?

  Know what you need, which is to sometimes be calm on a two-recording day. Thank you so much to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. And to Bobby Wagner, our producer. Thank you, Chris. Thank you. You are the best.

• 1:24:12Speaker 05

  I try to just contribute where I can.

• 1:24:14Sean Fennessey?

  Um, next week on the show, we're running back the alternative Oscars. Wesley Morris will return. We'll see you then.

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  Your sausage McMuffin with egg didn't change, your receipt did. The sausage McMuffin with egg extra value meal includes a hash brown and a small coffee for just $5, only at McDonald's for a limited time.

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  Price and participation may vary. Promotion pricing may be lower than meal pricing.