#49 - Meeting Bitcoin's Billionaire Kingpin, Boy Scouts Files for Bankruptcy & Branded Canned Water

POR FAVOR: Sam is going on Gary V's podcast monday. It would be hilarious if hundreds of us tweeted @garyvee how lucky he is to have @thesamparr on his podcast. Topics for today: Debate a new canned water brand (Liquid Death) (1:31), The "Silicon Valley Clock" (8:03), Sam's crazy story meeting the founder of Silk Road who had $10B worth of Bitcoin (and then got arrested) (11:27), Boy scouts files for bankruptcy (20:13), The next big membership groups (26:30) and Dealing with rejection the right way (36:15). See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.

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• 0:05Shaan Puri?

  All right. Today, we talked about Liquid Death.

• 0:07Sam Parr?

  We talked about how we're going to be on the Gary Vaynerchuk podcast and we need your help to make something special happen.

• 0:12Shaan Puri?

  Sam talked about how he was very touched by Boy Scouts.

• 0:15Sam Parr?

  And the business behind it. And we also talked about how I one time befriended the biggest drug kingpin in the world.

• 0:28Sam Parr?

  Another podcast. Let's go. Please subscribe to the podcast and unsubscribe and then subscribe again. So we can go up the charts. We are moving up the charts faster and faster. Have you seen the results today on Acast?

• 0:41Shaan Puri?

  No. How is it?

• 0:43Sam Parr?

  Good with the 24 hour release. It's numbers are going up.

• 0:46Shaan Puri?

  It's going up. Love it.

• 0:47Sam Parr?

  Okay, so we got a lot of responses about private equity rollups. I think that I didn't do a lot of research on it because what I want to do is you have Brent coming on.

• 0:58Shaan Puri?

  Yes. And the two of our buddies are doing a roll up business also.

• 1:02Sam Parr?

  Yeah. So I want to wait for them to come on.

• 1:04Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 1:05Sam Parr?

  And so today I've got, I want to go real deep on, I was, I said this out loud earlier. I was like, today on the podcast, I want to touch Boy Scouts. So.

• 1:16Shaan Puri?

  All right. That's the intro.

• 1:18Sam Parr?

  So I want to talk about, I have a really interesting story about some Boy Scouts stuff and that, and it's shocking what I want to talk about. But first, you want to get to a few things?

• 1:26Shaan Puri?

  Okay, sure. I didn't know where you're going with that. Let's do Liquid Death.

• 1:30Sam Parr?

  Yeah, go for it.

• 1:31Shaan Puri?

  Okay, so Liquid Death. So we tweeted out and we put in the Facebook group, hey, what should we talk about this week? And a bunch of people mentioned, hey, what do you think about Liquid Death? And so they just raised a round of funding. So what is Liquid Death? It's a canned water. So not like La Croix or whatever. It is, the look of it is like heavy metal. So it's, it's basically just a canned water drink, but they went all in on the brand. It's made by these guys out in LA, the incubator science. And they're behind things like Dollar Shave Club and Wishbone, this like teen app and a bunch of other things. They're an incubator studio out there.

• 2:09Sam Parr?

  And the guys who. Started it, Mike and Peter are

• 2:12Shaan Puri?

  Interesting stories.

• 2:13Sam Parr?

  Are internet veterans.

• 2:14Shaan Puri?

  Mike was like CEO of MySpace and Peter, I think Photobucket, I think was his kind of claim to fame, Peter Fam. And so anyways, they're an interesting crew and they came up, you know, the sort of bottled water or canned water market is actually pretty huge now. And they just wanted to come out with a different angle. So they're like, look, you know, how the hell are you going to sell water? Well, you have to create a brand and a story around it and almost a use case. And so the thing they wanted to do was sort of, you know, in many social situations, when you grab water, you're opting out of like the fun of the social thing. You know, if you're at a bar, if you're at a festival or something like that. So they wanted to make a can that looks cool, feels cool, is something worth talking about. And it's just like you, you know, you're having a drink of some kind.

• 2:54Sam Parr?

  So the trend that they're hopping on, so like, do you know, we wrote about this on trends, but you know that alcohol consumption amongst young people is going down like crazy?

• 3:04Shaan Puri?

  I didn't know that.

• 3:05Sam Parr?

  It's going down a lot. Gen Z is not drinking a lot. And so it appears this is what they're, they're pouncing on this trend.

• 3:11Shaan Puri?

  There's some alternatives, yeah.

• 3:12Sam Parr?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:12Shaan Puri?

  And so they raised a bunch of money. I don't know, remember how much? 10, 15 million bucks? And so Twitter got outraged and was like, you know, some people are like, oh, this is hilarious. Good, good product. And then other people are like, you know, people love to just, you know, shit on Silicon Valley for doing dumb things. And this is one of those things.

• 3:29Sam Parr?

  First of all, they're not even in Silicon Valley. I hate when people say Silicon Valley, like,

• 3:32Shaan Puri?

  Oh, yeah, they're in LA.

• 3:33Sam Parr?

  We work, it's a, it shows how bad Silicon Valley is. We work, it's started by an Israeli guy who lives in Manhattan.

• 3:40Shaan Puri?

  Right, okay. So the tech world, let's call it, right? Startup, the startup world. People love to shit on the things in the startup world that don't solve big problems, that are toys, gimmicks, stupid, blah, blah, blah. And so there was, this was a kind of interesting, people had a big reaction. What's your reaction?

• 3:56Sam Parr?

  Fuck them. I think it's great. I think that there is room in this world for all types of cool things. Sometimes it can be a guy who wants to build a car company that's going to save us from

• 4:08Shaan Puri?

  Fossil fuels.

• 4:09Sam Parr?

  Fossil fuels, or they want to take us to space to save us from the end of the world. Sometimes people just want to make a game that makes me smile a little bit, or they want to create a piece of art that makes me feel good when I look at it, even if it costs a hundred million dollars. There's room for everything in this world and you shouldn't hate on anyone for being ambitious and trying something cool, particularly if customers love it, which I'm a customer and I love it. So I don't hate on them at all. Yeah.

• 4:30Shaan Puri?

  Is it sparkling or is it still?

• 4:32Sam Parr?

  I've had it a while ago. I uh, it was just normal water, I think.

• 4:35Shaan Puri?

  Okay.

• 4:35Sam Parr?

  But like, I, I love, I buy Evian every day. I love Evian. I like, I'm a big water, bottle water guy.

• 4:41Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, Voss.

• 4:42Sam Parr?

  Um, I don't do Voss. I don't like Voss because I hate the bottle.

• 4:44Shaan Puri?

  Oh my God, I love the bottle.

• 4:45Sam Parr?

  But I-

• 4:46Shaan Puri?

  Voss is the bottle.

• 4:47Sam Parr?

  Well, so I like the Evian bottle. I uh-

• 4:49Shaan Puri?

  Oh my God.

• 4:49Sam Parr?

  Uh, and I like Fiji water. I actually think it tastes better. Uh, but in terms of hating on someone, look, if they have, they, the economics are probably there. It's not that hard to imagine how that works. Um, so no, hating on them for raising money.

• 5:02Shaan Puri?

  Silly.

• 5:02Sam Parr?

  Um, silly and, and yeah, I don't-

• 5:05Shaan Puri?

  What kind of businesses do you hate on? Where, where do you judge a business? Cause you know, there's certain things-

• 5:09Sam Parr?

  Well, so like-

• 5:10Shaan Puri?

  Get a reaction out of YouTube where you're like, oh, that's stupid. I hate that.

• 5:13Sam Parr?

  Um, so like, I defended Theranos when they raised money. I was like, oh no, it's awesome. Turns out she lied and I looked like an idiot. So I don't support-

• 5:21Shaan Puri?

  Fraud.

• 5:21Sam Parr?

  Fraud. Um, I don't support fraud at all. Um, I, I debt, but I do find some, um, positive attributes and even people like her, Adam, or even the guy who had the, uh, Fire Festival. I'm like, so because in my mind, the threshold between fraud and you pull it off and it's amazing, it's real thin.

• 5:41Shaan Puri?

  Yep.

• 5:41Sam Parr?

  Whenever you start something, it always seems like a, it often seems like, I can't believe that people are buying this. It all, a lot of times it feels that way, but it's not fraud if you pull through and that like line of pulling through is often so thin.

• 5:53Shaan Puri?

  Much thinner than people realize. I had the same reaction when I watched the Fire Festival doc or whatever. Um, in my mind, I was like, this was a great idea and almost great execution. And then they didn't pull it off. And okay, if you don't pull it off, then you gotta wear the bag, but like-

• 6:07Sam Parr?

  And I'm fine with him going to jail, like totally.

• 6:10Shaan Puri?

  He deserved it.

• 6:10Sam Parr?

  He deserved it. But, uh, it, it could have worked.

• 6:14Shaan Puri?

  There's an element of fake it till you make it in many, many businesses. Now, there's a difference between fake it till you make it and fraud. And so you want to find that line. You're not, you, you don't want to sort of defraud customers or put people at risk. But there is a whole bunch of saying, yeah, we, we're gonna do this. Yeah, we can pull this off. Yeah, they, they're in if you're in. And that happens a lot and you sort of need those pieces to, you know, you need to sort of represent strength when sometimes things are fuzzy or uncertain. And so, yeah, I'm down-

• 6:40Sam Parr?

  And so even when I saw that company Yo raised money, I thought, man, that's really dumb. That is a stupid thing, but a lot of things that are amazingly big and wonderful right now also appear dumb. And so in my head, I'm like, I think that's stupid. I would not have done that, but I don't hate on them for trying because a lot of shit turns to gold.

• 6:58Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, my Snapchat handle today still is my initials SVP test because I was like, well, this is going nowhere. But like, I'll make a test account. I heard this is like the fad of the day.

• 7:08Sam Parr?

  That's hilarious. I was wondering what that meant.

• 7:09Shaan Puri?

  And so it's still just test because I just thought this was a throwaway, not even a throwaway account. I thought this was a throwaway app that I'm not going to look at it a month.

• 7:16Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 7:17Shaan Puri?

  Here I am like seven years later.

• 7:18Sam Parr?

  I'm not, I'm not hating on Liquid Death. Are you?

• 7:21Shaan Puri?

  I don't hate on Liquid Death. I think it's a, you know, interesting business. I want to bring on, we have, I have a friend who started a vodka business and another one who started a sake business. You don't know them and they, but they took, one of them took the sake business public and I think that's pretty interesting. So he's in the Bay area. So I'll bring him on because I think in general, creating a, you know, new liquor brand, new water brand. You know, you're selling a commodity product, but you're creating, you know, a brand, the whole, the brand is what you're selling. You know, often they all use the same tequila, whiskey, whatever. And it's just about what lifestyle you tap into and how you market it. And so those people end up being some of the best marketers out there. So I just respect that part of it. I respect the marketing and the balls of Liquid Death.

• 8:03Sam Parr?

  I think right now there's this big thing going on with like, uh, the media, media and tech media and tech journalists hating on people who are trying to do something big and oftentimes they prefer celebrating the losses.

• 8:17Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 8:18Sam Parr?

  And I just don't support that. I'm, I'm, I'm so in favor of criticizing. As long as it comes from a good place, I'm super down with that, but I.

• 8:29Shaan Puri?

  Have you seen this blog post called, uh, what time is it in Silicon Valley? You ever seen this clock?

• 8:35Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 8:35Shaan Puri?

  It's basically, it describes what you're talking about, which is, um, this guy who was doing like PR or comms for tech companies for a long time. He's like, hey, you know, I've been through this cycle five times now. This is how it works. He's like, imagine a clock and you know, from midnight to 1am, it's like, okay, this new thing is born. Oh, this is interesting. That's the narrative. And then as you get to sort of like three, you know, three o'clock, it's like, oh, ooh, this is the shiny new fun thing to play with. Everybody talks about it. Everybody has opinion of it. Everybody wants to show their friend this thing because it's the new thing. And then when you get, by the time you get to four or five, people start to, the narrative changes to like, hey, this is not just a toy. This could be something big. And by 6pm, you know, you know, the, the clock hand is gone halfway around. By 6pm, it's like, um, this is going to change the world.

• 9:20Shaan Puri?

  And that's, so like right now, the company going through this is Lambda School where it started as this little bootcamp. Then it was like, holy shit, this is going to disrupt universities. And then if you've noticed in the last month, there's all this press coming out in some ways, rightfully so, because they make mistakes as they grow and whatnot. But some of these things were always there. It's just the narrative changed. So by 7pm, it starts to be like, ah, you know what? It's not as good as everyone says. Actually, the product kind of sucks. You know what? This founder is like, doesn't know what the hell they're doing. This thing's about to crash. And then it goes through this cycle of rebirth. And so now, once you read that post, then you start reading the news, you start to just see that everywhere. It's like, oh, this is the hype cycle. It's going, you know, you can just tell what, what hour of the clock are we in? And it's like, you know, not to use the pun, but it's like clockwork. It just, you see it happening over and over again.

• 10:05Sam Parr?

  Yeah. And that, and I read a lot of history books. It happens like that. Like Rockefeller had the same thing, anti billionaire, anti this, anti that. It, it, it's cyclical. So this isn't anything new.

• 10:16Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. They build you up, they break you down. And if you're, if you're in that company, you just got to know, um, this is, these are the waves to be expected. You shouldn't be surprised and reacting when it happens. And if you're the reader, like, you know, the stuff is entertaining, but like, don't just go for the ride.

• 10:31Sam Parr?

  And if you're going to be successful, you're going to, you gotta go, you gotta get, you're going to get a lot of hate.

• 10:35Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 10:36Sam Parr?

  Like on this little podcast in the comment section, we get called, we get made fun of all the time.

• 10:41Shaan Puri?

  Not enough hate.

• 10:41Sam Parr?

  I would like more hate actually, but we've, I've, we've been called ugly.

• 10:45Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, we've got ugly.

• 10:46Sam Parr?

  Some guy wrote like, uh,

• 10:48Shaan Puri?

  When we started doing video, they were like, hey, audio guys. Audio.

• 10:52Sam Parr?

  And then another guy was like, you know, you should show background video of whatever they're talking about because I don't want to look at these fools.

• 11:00Shaan Puri?

  People make fun of our math, but we're not really getting hate, which just tells me we haven't arrived. We haven't even arrived yet, you know? When you're only getting love and not the hate, you're not even in the game yet.

• 11:08Sam Parr?

  Let's just insult the listeners. You guys fucking suck.

• 11:13Shaan Puri?

  All right, what else we got?

• 11:13Sam Parr?

  Okay, so, um, okay, I tweeted ahead of this, uh, what you want us, what, what you want us to talk about? I want to get into this segment I have in a minute because it's really big, this Boy Scout thing. But I'll quickly tell you the story. Someone tweeted at us saying, tell us about the first time you found Bitcoin. Have I ever told you my story?

• 11:31Shaan Puri?

  No.

• 11:31Sam Parr?

  Okay, so, um, in 2014, my years may be off, in 2014, I think, or 13 or 12, um, I went to a party. I met this guy there named Ross and he was pretty good looking and tall. So he definitely kind of stood out because it was all nerds. And we just started talking and I was flirting with this girl and he swoops in and takes her home. And, uh, I was like, oh, Ross. I, I started talking to him and friend him online and whatever.

• 11:59Shaan Puri?

  Friended him online?

• 12:00Sam Parr?

  On Facebook.

• 12:01Shaan Puri?

  That's what I do when you win.

• 12:02Sam Parr?

  Well, I wasn't angry at him. Because I wasn't angry at him because I was like, damn, he was pretty charming. Whatever, became friends with him. He turns out he lived, he lived down the street from me. Well, um, a few months later, I walked home and I walked by the library that I live next door to. And there's all this police there and I go home and find out what happened. And I had heard of this thing called the Silk Road. I'd heard about this, I knew about this for a couple, about a year or two. And I go home and I look up what happened and they go Ross got, Ross Albright was arrested and for being the founder of Silk Road. And I was like-

• 12:35Shaan Puri?

  So explain Silk Road if you don't know what it is.

• 12:36Sam Parr?

  So Silk Road, it's a, it was like eBay, but for drugs and murder. And you could buy anything online and use Silk Road. And it sold $2 billion worth of merchandise in only two years. And Ross was the sole owner. And now, if we look at Bitcoin price, he had roughly $10 billion of Bitcoin, uh, that he had made.

• 12:55Shaan Puri?

  And it got seized or he has it, he's in jail, what happened?

• 12:57Sam Parr?

  And so what happened was he was at his library or at the library next door to my house, the Glen Park Library. And he was upstairs- On the computer, doing deals or whatever, run the business and the feds had been tracking him and he tried to kill like he hired, he did a couple hired hits.

• 13:15Shaan Puri?

  Geez.

• 13:16Sam Parr?

  Where he tried to get someone killed and but the person on the other end was an FBI agent. So they went and staged the murders and he did that multiple times. So he thought he had killed three or four guys.

• 13:24Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 13:24Sam Parr?

  And when I got home, I looked it up. I was like, holy shit, that's Ross. I know Ross. He was this guy the whole time.

• 13:30Shaan Puri?

  And so you had hung out with him before?

• 13:31Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 13:32Shaan Puri?

  And what was he a cool guy? Did he say, what did you ask? What do you do?

• 13:34Sam Parr?

  Yeah, he was just like, just a, just a guy, just a charming, like.

• 13:37Shaan Puri?

  Did you know he ran?

• 13:38Sam Parr?

  I looked him up on LinkedIn. He said he was a equity trader. Or like a bank, like some.

• 13:44Shaan Puri?

  Technically true.

• 13:44Sam Parr?

  Yeah. And like I had friends on Facebook and he was like, hey, everyone, I'm selling my truck for $2,000. I mean, when he had tens of millions of dollars of Bitcoin. And I go to the, my office the next day, I go, I talked to this guy named Billy. I go, Billy, did you hear about this Ross guy, this Silk Road thing? And Billy, his father was Tim Draper.

• 14:04Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 14:05Sam Parr?

  And I go, Billy, this thing, your dad has talked about this Bitcoin thing. And he goes, yeah, I saw that, that guy get arrested. He's buying a lot of it. And I was like, should I? And he goes, yeah. And I was like, well, I don't know anything about this Bitcoin thing. So I, but if your, your dad says to do it, it sounds good to me. So I went and bought a little bit of it. And then for each family member that year in 2000, I think it's 2013, I bought like $200 of Bitcoin for each family member as their present. And they all laughed at me. And then a few years ago, when I got the $20,000, they each made like five grand.

• 14:32Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 14:33Sam Parr?

  And that was how I heard about Bitcoin.

• 14:35Shaan Puri?

  That's amazing. And so, so Tim Draper ended up buying all the seized Bitcoin, I think. It was like.

• 14:40Sam Parr?

  $20 million for the Bitcoin.

• 14:41Shaan Puri?

  I think it was more than that, dude. I think it was like in the hundreds. I think it was like $200 million of Bitcoin or something.

• 14:46Sam Parr?

  I don't remember. I think, I think his initial purchase at the time was 20 million and it ballooned to billions.

• 14:51Shaan Puri?

  I see. Okay.

• 14:52Sam Parr?

  And he bought it from the government.

• 14:53Shaan Puri?

  And he bought it like at a discount essentially to the market, right?

• 14:56Sam Parr?

  I think he paid 20 million, but this is all public. And that is how I found out about Bitcoin.

• 15:01Shaan Puri?

  That's an incredible story. Okay. I have some Bitcoin stories. Not as good as that, but I'll share.

• 15:08Shaan Puri?

  So 2013, I'm running Monkey Inferno. And so I basically, it's me and.

• 15:14Shaan Puri?

  I don't know, 15 engineers and one, one designer. And one of the engineers are sort of IT, you know, security guy. Or ops guy, Pete, he was always talking about Bitcoin at lunch. And Pete's also always talking about like a bunch of anarchist shit. And so, you know, I just kind of bucketed it with that. And Pete's like, no, you know, these ops guys, they hang out in IRC channels with other ops guys. And this is all they talk about. And so he's like, no, we should be doing something with Bitcoin and like, we're an idea lab. And so people are always saying stuff we should be doing. I was like, you know, all right, tell me about it. And I think at this time Bitcoin had just had its like spike out of the cents into the dollars. And he was like, hey dude, I've been mining Bitcoin on our servers. Like we made some money.

• 15:57Shaan Puri?

  And I was like, okay Pete, but like, we really need to stay focused on like business, not like this thing that you're talking about. So I'm like way off here. But I start catching the buy, I start tracking it and it goes to seven bucks. And then it went to like, you know, $70 and everybody was like going crazy about it at that time. Which is funny because now it's at like, whatever 10 grand. And, um, and so we, we start getting greedy and we're like, all right, we gotta do, we gotta get in this Bitcoin game. Coinbase was out there. We're like, we gotta get in there and start a company. And so we, we start sprinting on this product that's going to be like a Coinbase type of competitor, but with a different angle. And, um, and then Michael Birch, who's our investor gets word of it. The lawyer basically calls him and is like, hey, you know, they're like doing a Bitcoin thing. I think Bitcoin's for drugs and like, I don't know what Sean's up to now. And so he, you know, comes over for lunch unannounced.

• 16:42Shaan Puri?

  He's just like, hey, what's going on? I heard we're doing a Bitcoin thing. And I was like, yes, you know, this could be the new financial system. And I start like trying to explain it, but I don't actually know my shit, right? So I'm just in the hype cycle as well. And so he's like, I don't think we should do this. I think it's a lot of risk. He's like, you know, he's a billionaire. So he's like, you know, you can lose the money I give you, just don't lose all my other money. By getting me sued because you started a crypto like exchange. Like, don't do that. And so he like, and he's like, you know, are you sure you want to do this? And I was like, and this is where I made the mistake. I didn't have enough knowledge or conviction at that time to stand up and be like, no, we need to be in this game. This is real. And so I missed that, but I did buy some then and I made a pledge. I was like,

• 17:24Shaan Puri?

  Thousand or bust because the daily jumps and drops were like so much. I was like, I can't even look at this. Cause every day I'll be tempted to sell. So I was like 10,000 per coin or bust. And I thought that was my way of saying like, I'm going to be a billionaire.

• 17:37Sam Parr?

  You mean, you're gonna buy, you bought coins, you go, I'll sell it at 10,000.

• 17:40Shaan Puri?

  I'll sell it only at 10,000 or zero. Like it's, I'm not selling in between. And um, I thought that was such an outrageous number, 10,000 a coin. Cause it was at like, whatever. It just touched a hundred dollars. And I was like, you know, 10,000 per coin. That's insane. And um, but at the time I started looking into it. So what's cool is you can go back and find the original forum posts where Satoshi posted the Bitcoin white paper. And you could see the reaction in those forums of what people are saying about it. And you could read all these sort of like, you know, the correspondence back and forth. It's really fascinating. Like if you're a nerd, this is a, this is a great three hours of your life. And so, um, so I got into it and then I got spooked, which was a big mistake.

• 18:21Shaan Puri?

  I go to a wedding in DC and my aunt, who's like an old Indian.

• 18:26Sam Parr?

  What is she like, how do you, how do you, so you dig in the ground and mine it?

• 18:29Shaan Puri?

  No, she's telling me that. She's like, have you heard about Ethereum? Like Ethereum is very good. Ethereum very good. I'm like, wait, you know what Ethereum is? I was like, I know what Ethereum, you don't even know what like, your phone doesn't even work. You have it plugged in like it's a cord, like it has a cord in it.

• 18:45Sam Parr?

  It's like, dude, you have a, you're, it's like auntie at AOL.com.

• 18:48Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, exactly. And so I was like, what's good about it, auntie? And she was like, oh, it's very, you buy it and it makes you money. And I was like, oh, this is like what a bubble is. I was like, this is, you know, I've read about the dot com boom and bust. And I was like, this is what happened. People just thought you buy it because it makes money. And that's what was happening. And I had cousins quitting their jobs and becoming like crypto traders. And they had like good jobs before this. And I was like, I gotta go. And this was at 3,000. So I tried to sell everything. Luckily Coinbase has like limits. You can only sell certain amount per week.

• 19:19Sam Parr?

  Five grand a day.

• 19:20Shaan Puri?

  It was like 15 grand a week. So I start selling. I tried to sell 15 grand each week. I do that for like two or three weeks. And then by the end of it, I'm like, okay, I've cashed out a profit. Maybe I'll just hold the rest. So I think I still had like half of whatever left. And then it ran up to 20 grand. And then my mom's like, dude, your aunt knows more about this than you. Like, she was telling you it's good. Why did you sell? And so, and then it did bust eventually. But like, that's like kind of a lesson learned.

• 19:45Sam Parr?

  That's badass.

• 19:45Shaan Puri?

  You can't actually, even when you know.

• 19:47Sam Parr?

  Your aunt's your new financial advisor.

• 19:48Shaan Puri?

  Even when you know it's overhyped, you don't know when it's gonna burst. And that's like, you know, just a big problem.

• 19:53Sam Parr?

  I've, I've held it the whole time. I just said, I'm just never gonna sell it. I'll just, I mean, like if I ever have to pay rent, but uh, yeah, I don't care. I don't even log in.

• 20:02Shaan Puri?

  Forever now. Yeah, it's amazing.

• 20:04Sam Parr?

  Well, those are, hopefully we'll have some good clips there. I think those are both good stories. Okay, you want to talk about some ideas?

• 20:11Shaan Puri?

  Yes.

• 20:12Sam Parr?

  Okay, so what's going on with Boy Scouts, Adam? Look this up. So Boy Scouts, look it up on just Google. Boy Scouts, it's, everyone knows what Boy Scout is. We actually have a lot of non-American listeners, which I just, I remembered that.

• 20:27Shaan Puri?

  And even me, I grew up in America, but I didn't do Boy Scouts. So I have a very loose understanding of what the hell this is all about.

• 20:32Sam Parr?

  So Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, when you're in between the ages of eight and maybe 18, it's just like a after-school program and a weekend program. And for Boy Scouts, it helps you become a man. It was, it's an organization that's been around probably since the late 1800s. It was rooted.

• 20:47Shaan Puri?

  Did you do it?

• 20:47Sam Parr?

  No, I played sports. And my joke was, you do Boy Scouts? No, I do sports. So my, my mom and dad made me choose between ice hockey and Boy Scouts. I did hockey. But a lot of my friends did. Like when I grew up, I grew up Catholic. So it's like altar boy, Boy Scouts, or sports. That's like what you choose. And so.

• 21:04Shaan Puri?

  You dodged a bullet.

• 21:05Sam Parr?

  Yeah. Fuck yeah, I did. I got all my teeth. I got my teeth knocked out from hockey, but at least I didn't get that other shit happening to me. And so, Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts, it's basically when you're a youth, it's a youth group, it teaches you how to be a man, how to be a woman.

• 21:20Shaan Puri?

  Alright, we got it.

• 21:21Sam Parr?

  Tie knots and sell cookies and all that good shit. It's rooted in religion, though, which is controversial now that religion is not as popular in America. Boy Scouts, what happened? They recently got sued because of molesting boys, is that right?

• 21:36Shaan Puri?

  Like, not just sued once, like, there's just like, a litany of lawsuits, and they were like, what are we gonna do with all this? They basically are declaring bankruptcy.

• 21:44Sam Parr?

  Yeah, it was a huge, very big deal. And so, I was curious. And so, here's something that's interesting about Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts and any nonprofit. All their financials are available.

• 21:54Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, just look up annual letter, annual report, Boy Scouts, and it'll all be there.

• 21:58Sam Parr?

  Any nonprofit, you can go and see everything. You can see how they spend their money, what they own. It's really cool. And so, I looked up Boy Scouts, and let me give you some stats here. So, they had $1.5 billion in assets. Membership, right now, they have around 2 million members. That's at an all-time low. In the 60s, 70s and 80s, it was all the way up to 6 or 7 million members. They make hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue. I think in 18, it was $200 million in sales. Most of that revenue came from fees. So, you pay a fee. Actually, Adam, look up how much it costs to, how much does it cost to join Boy Scouts? So, and then, they also make money from some merchandise and everything, but the majority of their revenue comes from fees, and then they make between 15 and 80

• 22:43Sam Parr?

  million dollars a year in contributions and gifts. $60. It's called $60 a year?

• 22:47Shaan Puri?

  So, they receive 50 to 80 million in gifts, or they give?

• 22:51Sam Parr?

  Received.

• 22:52Shaan Puri?

  Received, so donations. And HQ, 50 million, what are they, what are they spending on here? What's going on?

• 22:56Sam Parr?

  Yeah, so HQ include, so HQ and programming and all that stuff. So, basically, their HQ, so they have 2 million members, so they have offices where their headquarters is, and then people volunteer to lead troops, and you probably give them a little bit of money, like an allowance or something like that, like a small stipend.

• 23:11Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 23:11Sam Parr?

  And then they pay for all the programming, so maybe kids gotta raise money to go camping, and I think Boy Scouts will contribute a little bit of that. Interesting here for you is that you're interested in the business, the ideas or the bank. The business and here's why. So Boy Scouts, I'm going to compare Boy Scouts to Girl Scouts and then, and I'm going to show you the differences in financials. And then I'm going to compare it to one other group that I think is actually doing it right. And here's what I think. I think that you can, these new clubs, these young men and young women clubs, particularly young men clubs, I think could be massive and can exist in today's world. And so, um, and you want to know what Boy Scouts biggest expenses? Insurance. Insurance. They pay a hundred and twenty million dollars for insurance. They pay a lot of money. Because they're taking kids out into the wild.

• 23:51Sam Parr?

  Camping and shit. Yeah. And that was wild to me. That's their biggest cost. Um, okay. So now let's compare this to Girl Scouts. This is timely because Girl Scout Cookies just got released. Uh, Girl Scouts, they, they sell eight hundred million dollars a year in Girl Scout Cookies. Unbelievable. Fucking crazy, right? Crazy. Um, seventy-five percent of that revenue is their, that's how much, they paid twenty-five. They paid twenty-five percent to the bakeries and I think they actually might, at this point, own the bakery, bakeries. Yep. And then, uh, so that's their take. The majority of that revenue goes to the, the, the troops, is it called troops? Chapters or whatever.

• 24:30Sam Parr?

  Chapters and that pays for, um, they, they do, they give young women, um, scholarships. They just teach them how to be young women. They do all types of programming and things like that. Um, and so here's a few ways in which they're different. Um, thirty-six million dollars in dues, so way less. Their membership, Girl Scouts, is about the same and, uh, they receive roughly ten percent of the gifts back that Boy Scouts. Donations. Yeah. So, but Girl Scouts is a way better business. Right. Now, I don't, uh, I'm not trying to advocate that these types of things necessarily should be for-profit businesses. There is a, a place for nonprofit. But let's just say that we want to make this a for-profit. Here's what I would do. Yep. Boy Scouts, they're, they're fucked. The reason they're fucked is this whole, uh, so regardless if you're religious or not, religion in America is not as popular.

• 25:15Sam Parr?

  It's still very popular, but it's declining. Right. It's not, it's not growing. It's not growing. And Boy Scouts has a very religious component about it. Extremely. And America, like, we don't have like wars going on right now and. When you turn 18 and like could join the military in World War II, World War I, Korean War, Vietnam War, even up until the late, early 90s with the Iraqi war. I mean, there was, there was a little bit of a rite of passage for a man. You know, you get a job, you have kids, or you go to war. Like, there's like this like rite of passage that allows, that's like, alright, you're, you're the man, you're a man now. We don't really have that now.

• 25:53Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 25:53Sam Parr?

  And I think that's actually a huge problem in young men's lives. Women have it a little bit because just biologically, they get their period. I mean, that's like, you are by definition a woman. Men, that's why the whole thing of men, you could be like a 25-year-old boy, or a 35-year-old boy. Like, especially in Silicon Valley, there's these guys that, they dress like kids still, and they don't act like men. And so, I actually think that there could be a-

• 26:15Shaan Puri?

  Rite of passage.

• 26:16Sam Parr?

  A rite of passage, some type of group of like, you are a boy, we're gonna, we're gonna help you become a man.

• 26:19Shaan Puri?

  But you're thinking past the boy scout age, you're talking about 18, 18 years old?

• 26:23Sam Parr?

  No, I think-

• 26:23Shaan Puri?

  You're talking about younger?

• 26:24Sam Parr?

  No, no, no, I, I think that you can learn that from age 8 to 18, slowly.

• 26:28Shaan Puri?

  Gotcha.

• 26:28Sam Parr?

  And so, the best-

• 26:29Shaan Puri?

  How would you do it?

• 26:30Sam Parr?

  So, the best membership group I've ever seen, and I've done a lot of research on this, is AARP.

• 26:35Shaan Puri?

  Okay.

• 26:37Sam Parr?

  And AARP, what it is, is, once you become 60 years old, and I actually signed up for this, because I wanted to see their marketing, I was really interested in this, once you become 60 years old, they mail you a thing, an AARP card. And they go, "You're in." And you're like, "What? I'm in?" And they're like, "Yeah, you just turned," they find out, they worked with the post office, and they find out when you're turned 60 years old, they send you a card that day.

• 26:57Shaan Puri?

  Nice.

• 26:57Sam Parr?

  And you get your card, and AARP has 38 million members. It's really cheap to become an AARP member, like, 50 bucks, maybe less, but maybe $18. It's really cheap, depending on the tier you get. And so, but AARP makes $1.6 billion in revenue. So where's all that money coming from? It's not coming from fees, it's all coming from the backend. So once you become an AARP member, they go, alright, they partner with, I think, United Insurance and a few others, and- They make, what is it? What's it say up there? A billion dollars a year from affiliates. Meaning you're now old, we're gonna give you a discount on some insurance because we're pooled everyone together. You should use United Insurance. It's the best one. And that's when they get, they get their billion dollar cut.

• 27:36Shaan Puri?

  It's a discount club. So as, as you as a member, you pay a low fee. You make your money back in discounts pretty much from day one. They make their money by getting the vendors to offer them a cut for all these customers that they can drive to them.

• 27:48Sam Parr?

  Yes.

• 27:48Shaan Puri?

  And, uh, yes, this is brilliant. The first time you told me about this, you were talking about, can we do this for millennials?

• 27:54Sam Parr?

  Yeah, I wanted to do this for the hustle. And I was like.

• 27:55Shaan Puri?

  And why didn't you do this? I've always thought this was your best idea. But you must have learned something along the way that made you less bullish on it. What was that?

• 28:02Sam Parr?

  I'm not less bullish on it, but I'll, I'll explain that. I, I know, sorry, I am a little less bullish, but I still think it could be great. So AARP, it's like one of the, it might be the, one of the largest lobbying groups ever. So if you want to become president, you have to like.

• 28:16Shaan Puri?

  Appeal for the.

• 28:17Sam Parr?

  Appeal to AARP. Thirty eight million members, you gotta like, you know, elderly, we're gonna, uh, make sure you're.

• 28:22Shaan Puri?

  Take care of you.

• 28:22Sam Parr?

  Yeah. And, and AARP is so big, they have like two, what does it say? Oh, sorry, three, three and a half billion dollar, they have a hedge fund. I mean, like, this is like a legit, like, this is how much cash they have. And so when you think about what makes like a group like this passionate, it's real similar to a cult, right? So I think what you need is you need like a common bond. So what brings you guys together? So for Girl Scouts, it's you're a young girl. For Boy Scouts, you're a young boy. For, uh, AARP, it's, we're all 60. And so it's like, uh, we have to figure out how to get through this together. You need an enemy, I think. So a good example of a really good group like this is the NRA.

• 29:01Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 29:01Sam Parr?

  And so the NRA, like, if they say they're gonna take our guns, they're gonna raise so much money off that. So you need like, uh, an enemy. Another thing is you need a leader, like a face. And so NRA had that. It was, uh, Wayne LaPierre was the leader in like, it's, I'm not even a gun guy and I know his name. And their other one was, um, the famous actor, Heston, Charlton Heston. And he had that phrase from my goal, my cold dead hands. Like, you're gonna take my, that's the leader. So you need that leader. And then you need this mentality of us versus everyone and we're the underdogs and they're gonna come at us. Scouts actually could have a little bit with that Christian vibe, but I don't know how you do it without the Christian vibe. And then finally, you need like rituals. Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts all have that. They have like the pledge, you know?

• 29:43Sam Parr?

  And I don't know AARP does, but when I'm thinking about this, I totally think that you could create recreate some of these. I think it would take a long ass time.

• 29:50Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, it would take a long ass time. I don't think you need all those things. I think those are all like boosters. Those all strengthen the whole thing and I think they come over time, but I don't think they're pre-rex, right? I don't think they're prerequisites. You don't like, I don't know, who's the leader of, who's the charismatic leader of Boy Scouts? I don't know, like, maybe there was one, maybe there wasn't.

• 30:07Sam Parr?

  Well, I agree with you. You don't need it, but I think your point here is proving my point, which is they're declining and there is.

• 30:14Shaan Puri?

  Sure, but I guess like they got to a certain size and mass. So what I think you just have to do is sort of align a common set of people who have a sort of similar desire or desired lifestyle, whether it's like, you know, Christian faith combined with, you know, learning life skills and will and being out in nature, right? Boy Scouts.

• 30:31Sam Parr?

  And, and actually I think you can have this like Christian conservative group that will can crush it.

• 30:36Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 30:37Sam Parr?

  Because what I do every morning is I go to opposite news sites. I go to HuffPo and then I go to Breitbart. Breitbart, you know what that is?

• 30:44Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 30:44Sam Parr?

  Okay. They have a smaller audience, I bet than HuffPo. Every article has 5,000 comments.

• 30:49Shaan Puri?

  Right. Super engaged.

• 30:50Sam Parr?

  Yeah. So there's a big enough group there.

• 30:52Shaan Puri?

  Right. So, so I think as long as you tap into any lifestyle that people care about, I think you can create a group like this. As long as you have the sort of right combination of like benefits and like programming and rituals, all those things I think are good and helpful. I also think that these can happen. When I saw Boy Scouts was going out of business, I went and looked up biggest Boy Scout competitors. And they were all Boy Scout clones. So they were all faith-based nature programming for young men. And it's like, okay, well, it just seems like there are other people who will want, who have the same job to be done, as they say, like who want the same outcome. But they put less value in, let's say, the religion component, religious component, or maybe it's less value in the nature component. Like, did I tell you, my sister runs a program, she, she has.

• 31:36Sam Parr?

  The daycare?

• 31:36Shaan Puri?

  She, so she has two like childcare facilities that are like in-home childcare. Facility. So she took, uh, she took a house. She turned it into a daycare and or preschool. So ones, ones for younger kids, ones of preschool. So she wanted to do a third. The permitting was going really slow. And so she bought this house, but the permit's going slow. So she did kind of a genius thing. She created this program called Nature Kids. She's like, okay, I can't do the, I can't get the permit for my in-home thing. They're just taking six months. But I have this huge waitlist of people who want, you know, their kids to be a part of something. What if I made a nature-based program? So she created Nature Kids. She now needs no permitting. They just go around through like the, kind of the parks and the, the nature out here. They do,

• 32:17Shaan Puri?

  they like learn about plants and animals and they do little exercises and they do outdoor painting and tree climbing and they're just out all day. And parents love it because they're like, yeah, I want my kid to be out and not, you know, sort of cooped up or looking at a screen or all this stuff. And so I, I want my kid out there in nature, learning these skills. There's no religious component to it. She has a waitlist out the door now. It can scale, like she could just create a franchise out of this. Like this Nature Kids thing is like a tiny speck, but it's a comparable, I think, to what Boy Scouts is providing, um, you know, providing a certain.

• 32:46Sam Parr?

  So here's the two trends that this is capitalizing on. The first is, I, I don't know about you. I bet, I bet you fall in the same category as me, but tech executives, people who have grown up with the internet now and phones.

• 32:58Shaan Puri?

  Do not want their kids.

• 32:59Sam Parr?

  Do not want their kids doing this shit. I'm the same way. I bought this thing that locks potato chips in a sealed, like a time locker. KitchenAid and I put my phone in there. Okay. So like I will, I don't want my kids using phones and stuff like that. So, so we're, we're, we're, this trend's gonna get bigger as you and me start having children.

• 33:16Shaan Puri?

  Zuckerberg's like, yeah, we're gonna limit this to 40 minutes a day or so.

• 33:19Sam Parr?

  Right. And so we're gonna see that happen. The second trend that, I don't know if it's trend, but I do think it's actually needed is we have to have artificial, we have to actually start creating these things that allow, uh, young women and young men to become.

• 33:33Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 33:33Sam Parr?

  Men.

• 33:34Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 33:34Sam Parr?

  And women.

• 33:35Shaan Puri?

  The character building.

• 33:35Sam Parr?

  Yeah, and, and, and I've seen it too, where I've seen these things now for grown men where you can pay a fee.

• 33:40Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, Mankind Project is super popular.

• 33:42Sam Parr?

  And they're awesome. I totally want to do it.

• 33:44Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 33:44Sam Parr?

  I went to an all guys Catholic, uh, high school, which was pretty good because we got to, they helped us evolve and grow and everything. But I so wish that I had, my father wasn't like very hands on. I, I wish I had more of like a hands on, like, alright, son, here's, you gotta do this. You treat people this way. You do it like, you know what I mean? And I think that that can actually be way more popular, um, now.

• 34:04Shaan Puri?

  Side business idea here. Um, so a while back, um, I had Xavier on the podcast and we talked about the Junto group or the mastermind group that we, we were in. And me and you, that's how we met, uh, or sorry, that's how we got to know each other was being in a mastermind together.

• 34:18Sam Parr?

  And it all started with a book club.

• 34:19Shaan Puri?

  And so I just mentioned this on the podcast and I think I've had over 400 people. And I just said, hey, if you're interested, uh, I can, I have a playbook on how we run it, like, you know, how we recruited people, how we run the thing, blah, blah. And 400 people have messaged me saying, I'd like that playbook. And so they're on this list of people. And one of the things that came out of it was, uh, people really want to be in these CEO groups. And these exist. I think Vistage is one that's popular. They charge a bunch of money.

• 34:42Sam Parr?

  Eighteen grand.

• 34:43Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, eighteen grand.

• 34:44Sam Parr?

  That's a $40 million a year business.

• 34:45Shaan Puri?

  Crazy. Uh, but like to me, those feel like fucking dinosaurs. I remember when Vistage first called me. And I was like, this is a fucking scam. Like do not call me for this. And like, I know people get value out of it, but the amount you're charging for something that is like a very basic service seemed very odd to me. So I actually want to do this out of the community of people who listen to this podcast, um, who want to have, who want to be in CEO groups. I don't know if it's digital or we find you people in your cities, because there's enough people who listen to this where we can create groups of eight in cities. So if somebody wants to like, take this idea and run with it, I don't have the time, but I think we can create a business doing that.

• 35:22Sam Parr?

  Well, and so this is what we're doing with Trends, which is.

• 35:24Shaan Puri?

  We don't charge 18 grand.

• 35:25Sam Parr?

  It's, Trends is $300 a year and we have a group and we found that group to be the most.

• 35:30Shaan Puri?

  Valuable.

• 35:31Sam Parr?

  Valuable thing for people. So if you want like a little taste of this, sign up for Trends. But then we're, we're considering the same thing, which is how do we have a higher end thing, which self-selects a little bit more.

• 35:40Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 35:41Sam Parr?

  So yeah, I, I'm, I'm. Super bullish on these types of groups. Um, I feel like I understand how they work. Now, the hard part is you've got to really pick the right angle.

• 35:50Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 35:50Sam Parr?

  That's the hard part, but um, there is absolute need for this. And I think it's only going to grow as digital gets more popular.

• 35:57Shaan Puri?

  Right. Uh, yeah. Digital detox is like the trend that, that, you know, all these nature-based programs we've, we talked about falling into. Okay. What else we got?

• 36:04Sam Parr?

  So I um, I exhausted my ideas. I just, I, I, I think that was fire.

• 36:11Sam Parr?

  So hopefully I could get off easy, but that was all I, I.

• 36:14Shaan Puri?

  Okay. I got a quick one. Did you see this Harvard rejection video that happened?

• 36:18Sam Parr?

  No.

• 36:18Shaan Puri?

  So this, uh, this kid, um, uh, I don't know the guy's name, Ethan Kim. I feel like is his name. I might be. Uh, but if you just YouTube, go to YouTube or Google and just type Harvard rejection video. Or Harvard let me in, I think is the name of the video. Um, guy gets rejected from Harvard. And he's like a, kind of like wants to be a YouTuber, but wasn't super big. And so he made this, this Asian kid made this rap video, uh, as a reply to the Harvard admissions, uh, thing, saying like, yo, let me in. Cause he's on the waitlist and uh, it's gone viral. So he's got 400,000 people, 400,000 views of this YouTube video. And uh, this is just a generic thing that I think people need to do more of, which is when you want something, um, go above and beyond. So like, I am shocked anytime I see somebody who's like, yeah, this is my dream job. I really want to get this.

• 37:04Shaan Puri?

  My damn. So what did you try? And they're like, well, I gave him my resume.

• 37:06Sam Parr?

  Oh, fuck that.

• 37:07Shaan Puri?

  A cover letter. And then they haven't called me back. And I'm like, yeah, of course I haven't called you back because you put your name in a pile of papers with everybody else. And like, of course they're not going to call you back. And so, um, you know, I think in any case, what this guy did is smart, which is what I call turning disadvantages into an advantage. So anytime in my company where something bad would happen, we'd get a cease and desist letter. Our competitor would launch like something that's just a straight attack at us. I would always ask, okay, this is a big disadvantage, right? How do we flip this into an advantage? And so it's the, the principle here is like, I learned this in the restaurant industry, which is you actually get bigger tips and more avid fans. If you fuck up things once in a while, but over correct them than if you didn't fuck up in the first place.

• 37:50Sam Parr?

  We did this before. One time when our email list was only a hundred thousand people. We accidentally sent the same email two times in a row because we like loaded the wrong one. And then I immediately sent up a new email and I just took a picture of our Slack and I was like, "Hey Havel," who is my partner, I was like, "Just, uh, let me use your Slack. I'm gonna use both of our Slacks." And I wrote like a message like, "Havel, you fucked up. You sent that same email twice." And Havel goes, "Oh my God, they're gonna hate me." And I go, "No, they won't. I promise. Just, uh, just send them a picture of this message and say how we screwed up." And Havel goes, "Okay, fine. I'll do it." And then I replied and said something like, "Also, if they, if 5,000 of them don't reply, you're fucking fired." Or something like that. And then, and then he goes like, he was probably like, "Well shit, well if they're reading this, guys, please just read this whole email and

• 38:34Sam Parr?

  reply and make sure I don't get fired," or something like that.

• 38:36Shaan Puri?

  So rather than, uh, A, just panicking and melting down, that's option A. Option B, damage control. Just do the stock standard. We're sorry we messed up. Ignore. And people are just mad at you. You guys took, turned it into an advantage to show your personality, make it real, get a bunch of people to engage and made it relatable like everyone makes mistakes. Uh, I love that. We had, um, when we graduated from Duke, we, uh, we were, we had entered this business plan competition. And we won the competition, uh, with our sushi, uh, concept, which is like Chipotle for sushi. We were the first undergrads to ever win, the first non-technology business to ever win in 10 years. And so we got all this prize money and people, they treated us like the Liquid Death thing. They were like, "This sushi thing, are you serious?

• 39:19Shaan Puri?

  They won? I have this like cure for cancer and this won?" And so we had a lot of haters. And so this one guy, I remember just sent this email, just ripping us. And, um, he was like, it was three months later that he sent this email. So it wasn't even the moment. It wasn't heat of the moment. He like watched us for three months. He tracked our progress. And he was just like, "Look at you guys. It's been three months and all you're doing is wasting time doing this, this and this. You haven't got, you haven't made any sales. You have no customers. You don't have your location for your restaurant. Like you guys are gonna piss away this money." And he was just, he just went in and it was very true, honestly, like.

• 39:54Sam Parr?

  What, uh, do you still have his contact information?

• 39:56Shaan Puri?

  Um, I could find it.

• 39:57Sam Parr?

  Let's call him.

• 39:58Shaan Puri?

  And so, so what we did in that moment was we took this email and we were like, "How do we turn this into an advantage?" And so what we did was we filmed this video response, which was mimicked off of when LeBron James did his decision and went to Miami. And everyone hated him. Nike came out with this commercial and it was like, it was LeBron and he was sitting there. He goes, what should I do? Should I give up? Should I, uh, should I listen to you? Should I just hang up my, my sneaks now? Like, should I listen to the haters?

• 40:23Sam Parr?

  That's hilarious.

• 40:24Shaan Puri?

  And so we filmed a parody of that with, we put his, his, his email to us right at the front.

• 40:30Sam Parr?

  That's the best.

• 40:30Shaan Puri?

  And then we said, what should we do, John? Should we just hang it up? Should we just quit because we, we don't know what we're doing? Cause we wait, we got, we got this wrong. Cause we've wasted some of the prize money. What should we do? And, uh, and then it went sort of semi-viral back at the college. And so we got all this like surge of support. Cause everybody loves to.

• 40:47Sam Parr?

  And then I hope you sent him like the.

• 40:49Shaan Puri?

  Well, I'm sure he saw it because he was somebody from the school. He was anonymous. He anonymized it, right? Like we didn't know who he was.

• 40:53Sam Parr?

  Let's contact him now.

• 40:55Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, I'm going to find this guy's email.

• 40:56Sam Parr?

  I, I, that type of, uh.

• 40:58Shaan Puri?

  Look at me now, John.

• 40:59Sam Parr?

  Those grudges fuel me. I'm like totally fueled by this.

• 41:02Shaan Puri?

  I forgot about it till you just told me.

• 41:03Sam Parr?

  Let's go. I want to celebrate that, that with you.

• 41:06Shaan Puri?

  Okay. I'm going to find.

• 41:07Sam Parr?

  Let's contact him. I'll write an article about you and we could even like inflate everything and you could send it to him.

• 41:11Shaan Puri?

  We can even inflate everything.

• 41:14Sam Parr?

  Fuck that guy.

• 41:17Shaan Puri?

  Cool. Anything else?

• 41:18Sam Parr?

  Yeah. So, um, on Monday, I've got to go to New York. I set this up before we even had the podcast. I'm going to be on the Gary Vaynerchuk podcast.

• 41:25Shaan Puri?

  Sweet.

• 41:26Sam Parr?

  So I'm going to promote this and trends and a few other things.

• 41:29Shaan Puri?

  Oh, this is what you need to do. Help a brother out here. So, uh, forget the subscribe, unsubscribe, forget the leave a review. Tweet at Gary Vee and be like, holy shit. You have Sam on the pod. Like, I don't know how much Gary Vee knows you, but I want him to get like 100 tweets. That are like, oh my, Sam?

• 41:44Sam Parr?

  Oh, so they think I'm a big deal?

• 41:45Shaan Puri?

  Just be like, dude, congrats, Gary.

• 41:49Shaan Puri?

  I want like, we just need a hundred people. Just go with us.

• 41:52Sam Parr?

  Well, no, no, no. We could just get one. We could get one person to do it and go pay a bunch of bots to like it.

• 41:57Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 41:57Sam Parr?

  So he thinks he's good.

• 41:58Shaan Puri?

  I want a hundred people to just be like, dude, big snag, Gary. I'm so happy for you.

• 42:04Sam Parr?

  That's awesome.

• 42:05Shaan Puri?

  So I want him to start the interview being like, um, like, should I have looked you up? Like who the hell are you?

• 42:10Sam Parr?

  Well, let's do, we'll get double press. When I'm there, I'll be like. By the way, when Sean coming on, he'll be like, Sean? I'll be like, what do you, what do you mean? You know, Sean Purry, you know, from the podcast, from Twitter. Reach out to his people. Yeah, like, how have you not done this yet? And so we'll get double the podcast love. So I'll be out. I think I come back Wednesday or Thursday. So you'll either have to do it alone or get a guest. Yeah, we'll figure it out. All right, please hit subscribe a ton of times and then unsubscribe and subscribe again. That makes the moment. Message Gary Vee, do it. That makes us go up and message Gary Vee and tell him he's lucky that we're gonna be on that show. Yeah, I want to see it on Twitter. I'm gonna search after this. All right, we're out. Thank you.