Jennifer Lawrence: Hunger Games, Hot Takes & Online Hate

Join Alex for an interview with Jennifer Lawrence! Jennifer takes us behind the scenes of some of her most iconic roles, shares her unfiltered takes on reality TV, and gets into her chronically online habits and the viral moments that have taken on a life of their own. She also opens up about motherhood, the times she's gotten a little creative with the truth, and the inspiration behind her new haircare line. Enjoy!

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• 0:00Alex Cooper?

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• 2:10Alex Cooper?

  What is up daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper with Call Her Daddy.

• 2:19Alex Cooper?

  Jennifer Lawrence, welcome to Call Her Daddy.

• 2:20Speaker 01

  Thank you so much for having me.

• 2:22Alex Cooper?

  I'm so happy you're here.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  Thank you, I'm very happy to be here.

• 2:25Alex Cooper?

  I have been really looking forward to this conversation. Obviously, you are like one of the biggest movie stars.

• 2:31Speaker 01

  Of course, of course, go on.

• 2:33Alex Cooper?

  Just so well established with an Oscar. And then I feel like you really became known for just not being afraid to say what you're thinking. I do feel like you're the type of person, when people meet you, they kind of already feel like they know you and like you're their best friend.

• 2:49Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 2:50Alex Cooper?

  Do you feel like people overshare when they meet you?

• 2:53Speaker 01

  No, nobody ever overshares more than me.

• 2:55Alex Cooper?

  Me two seconds ago before the camera started rolling, be like, alright, so the cramps in my crotch, what am I doing?

• 3:01Speaker 01

  Again, I brought that up. That was for me.

• 3:04Alex Cooper?

  Okay, but you don't think randoms overshare with you too much?

• 3:07Speaker 01

  No, and I don't think I would notice. Like, I'm just so confused about boundaries that.

• 3:12Alex Cooper?

  Okay, perfect.

• 3:12Speaker 01

  Yeah, I don't think it would even cross my mind.

• 3:14Alex Cooper?

  That'll make for good podcasting today, hopefully.

• 3:16Speaker 01

  It will.

• 3:17Alex Cooper?

  Do you feel like you've ever had a really weird interaction with maybe like a fan in the wild who thinks like, oh, you're my girl, like, let me just hang with you for a second? Or do they have boundaries?

• 3:29Speaker 01

  Nobody in New York wants to be the dork that's like, oh my god, I'm a huge fan, you know? So everybody's just like, I was like coming out of a movie and was stuck on a very slow escalator in front of a girl that was like asking to take a picture with me, but I just got a peel. I actually got a peel too close to this. I don't know if you can see the bumps.

• 3:47Alex Cooper?

  You look gorgeous.

• 3:49Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  And so that was just uncomfortable because I was like, no. And then we were just stuck together.

• 3:57Alex Cooper?

  And then you started oversharing, you're like, because of the peel?

• 4:00Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, I got a peel on my pussy.

• 4:05Alex Cooper?

  He's like, I literally hate you and I'm not a fan anymore and I never asked you for that information.

• 4:09Speaker 01

  I can't believe I ever.

• 4:10Alex Cooper?

  Do people usually call you Jen or J-Law?

• 4:12Speaker 01

  Imagine if I had people in my life that call me J-Law. My best friends all call me J-Law. And if somebody accidentally calls me Jen, I'm like, what? Hold on.

• 4:22Alex Cooper?

  It's J-Law to you. I should refer to you as Jen though, right?

• 4:26Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 4:26Alex Cooper?

  Jennifer.

• 4:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, Ms. Dr. Lawrence. Yes, you can refer to me as Jen. Yeah, I like the J-Law thing, it's cool. I hope J-Lo is not mad.

• 4:38Alex Cooper?

  No, yeah, like, have you ever been in a room with her and it's been like, oh, we're both.

• 4:42Speaker 01

  Tense?

• 4:42Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 4:43Speaker 01

  Sure, why not? Yes. And we got in a huge fight and I took her out.

• 4:52Alex Cooper?

  No, I could see that because I was like, I'm saying J-Law and then like my husband earlier was like, J-Lo? And I'm like, J-Law. But it's like a good person to get mixed up with.

• 5:00Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 5:01Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, I'm not mad.

• 5:02Speaker 01

  I know, she might be, but I'm not.

• 5:04Alex Cooper?

  Your hair looks gorgeous today.

• 5:05Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 5:06Alex Cooper?

  And I just wanted to congratulate you on that because you are adding a new business to your resume.

• 5:11Speaker 01

  I am.

• 5:11Alex Cooper?

  You are coming out with a new hair care brand called MESS. Where did the name come from?

• 5:16Speaker 01

  It was, it was the first name that I ever like, kind of came to the table with and was just like, I want to have a hair company called MESS. Like, it feels true for me. Not to brag.

• 5:29Speaker 01

  And so when I finally started working with Arkea and we started like, you know, getting, getting into the nitty gritty, it was just kind of like, well, it's obviously not going to be called MESS. And like, so we went through and I was like, okay, like, we went through thousands of names, like a big company and everything. And then between copywriting and, you know, 86ing certain names that we didn't like, we did land right back at MESS.

• 5:48Alex Cooper?

  At least it's kind of validating. You're like, my idea was right all along. Are you actually freezing?

• 5:53Speaker 01

  I'm not as cold as I am scared.

• 5:55Alex Cooper?

  Are you nervous?

• 5:56Speaker 01

  No, I'm not nervous of the interview. I just, I can feel your pregnant energy and I'm like.

• 6:00Alex Cooper?

  Wait, what is pregnant energy?

• 6:03Speaker 01

  Quick.

• 6:04Alex Cooper?

  Wait, I feel so slow. I feel like I'm being quick because I want to keep up with you. Should we slow it down?

• 6:10Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 6:12Alex Cooper?

  My pregnancy brain is just like, I feel like when I'm doing an interview, I've got to be quick because like I'm now, I got to lock in. Because if I lock out for one second, I'm going to be gone. I'm going to be gone.

• 6:24Speaker 01

  Well, you know what? I have postpartum brain. So of course they think you're fast because I'm like, what?

• 6:29Alex Cooper?

  So let us just say disclaimer today, if we say anything so stupid, out of pocket, something that could get us canceled, it's not our fault.

• 6:37Speaker 01

  No, it's literally our husbands. Like scientifically, literally.

• 6:42Alex Cooper?

  We're perfect.

• 6:43Speaker 01

  Yes, we are.

• 6:44Alex Cooper?

  Speaking of mess, I'm going to give you a messy scenario because like you said, your life, you're a little messy and you also have like good takes. So I want to give you a scenario and you're going to tell me how you would handle it.

• 6:56Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 6:56Alex Cooper?

  Okay, here we go. A friend starts seeing a guy and she is head over heels for him. So in love, obsessed, can't stop talking about him. But you've kind of like noticed a couple weird things, like example, he's constantly paying for dinner. He's so generous, but no one has any fucking idea what he does for work.

• 7:18Speaker 01

  Oh, I hate that.

• 7:19Alex Cooper?

  Are you going to bring this up to her or are you just going to let her live in her happiness?

• 7:24Speaker 01

  I wouldn't bring it up to her unless she asked. And asked in a real way, because there is obviously asking in the not real way. You know, in a group, as a joke or whatever, but if she was like, what do you think? And do you think this is weird? Then I would be like, I don't know, do you think it's weird? Yeah, I think it's super weird.

• 7:45Alex Cooper?

  Right, like first put it back on her to temp check, but most, I think that's a good point. It's never at the brunch, it's never with all the friends where she's like, what do you think about Garrett? And if you're the idiot that's going to be like, honestly, it really susses me out. It's like, no, no, no. She's actually asking you to tell her how much you like Garrett. Like, read the room.

• 8:04Speaker 01

  It is always so, although I guess it's getting harder with like AI and all this new, I feel so old now with like all of the, you know, changes. That like if somebody can't tell you what they do, you know, in like under 60 seconds, it's a red flag, but now I'm like, is it like?

• 8:20Alex Cooper?

  Right, it's kind of like what we're living today.

• 8:22Speaker 01

  Someone's like, I'm a computer.

• 8:25Speaker 01

  And I'm just like, fuck it.

• 8:26Alex Cooper?

  And then we believe them.

• 8:27Speaker 01

  Of course. What am I going to do?

• 8:29Alex Cooper?

  You feel dumb that you don't know.

• 8:30Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course. I can't drop a pin. So of course you're a computer.

• 8:35Alex Cooper?

  Neither can I. That actually is actually really confusing. What is the worst red flag that you've ever looked in your past? Overlooked?

• 8:41Speaker 01

  Overlooked? Oh, wow, a guy that I was obsessed with was gay and told me he was gay.

• 8:48Alex Cooper?

  Oh, and you were like?

• 8:49Speaker 01

  And I was like, no, you're not.

• 8:52Speaker 01

  You're gay right now.

• 8:55Speaker 01

  Just give me a chance.

• 8:57Alex Cooper?

  Okay, that's good. So you didn't end up together, obviously, and like.

• 9:00Speaker 01

  No, we did.

• 9:01Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 9:02Speaker 01

  My husband.

• 9:03Alex Cooper?

  Husband of eight years, yeah, that'd be great. Okay, good to know. Okay, is it okay to tell a white lie to get out of dinner with a friend if you are just too tired to go?

• 9:14Speaker 01

  I mean, if a white lie to get out of dinner is wrong, then I don't want to be right. I don't, I have, my husband has, for years, it like baffles him. Like, if he wants to get out of something, he just says like, hey, can't tonight, you know, goodbye? Like, I can't even like.

• 9:35Alex Cooper?

  But he's direct.

• 9:36Speaker 01

  And I'm just like, I broke my foot on a piece of glass, we're rushing to the hospital, there's a tornado in this city for the first time in decades. Like, it's just always so long and dramatic because I need to make it believable. But now I've gotten into a new place in my life where I just don't make plans. I just say no to absolutely everything and I haven't seen anyone in my life for years.

• 9:58Alex Cooper?

  Like, why do we do that? My husband does the same thing where he's like, yo, man, like, been a really crazy week, like, can't make it, like, got, wanted to stay in with the wife tonight. And I'm literally like, how did you do that?

• 10:08Speaker 01

  Like, are they so mad? Which is weird because like, it's normally something is like a projection, but like, I, I never get mad if somebody cancels on me. I obviously love when people cancel. So I don't know what, like, I picture the person on the phone just being like, what?

• 10:23Alex Cooper?

  Right.

• 10:23Speaker 01

  You know?

• 10:24Alex Cooper?

  How could you?

• 10:25Speaker 01

  And meanwhile, like, love when people cancel. I'm like, oh, perfect. There's nothing better than a cancel plan.

• 10:29Alex Cooper?

  If you and your husband are, you know, you got a night without the kids, what are you doing?

• 10:35Speaker 01

  Sitting in silence on our phones.

• 10:40Speaker 01

  I hope.

• 10:41Alex Cooper?

  It's so beautiful. You know what's so beautiful about that answer is it's so real. And I've seen like celebrity couples like out at lunch or something and they'll be both on their phones. And like you see the comments and people being like, wow, they like hate each other. I'm like, that's what you do with your boyfriend at your date.

• 10:54Speaker 01

  Yeah, like what?

• 10:56Alex Cooper?

  Right, no, no, okay.

• 10:57Speaker 01

  What are we gonna talk about? How was your day? I know exactly how your day was. I know exactly what happened. Yeah, and don't you dare ask how mine was because if you've not been paying attention.

• 11:08Alex Cooper?

  It's actually true. Um, okay, your friend has been working on a script as a passion project and sends it to you for feedback. You read it and it is just god awful terrible. What do you say?

• 11:22Speaker 01

  I mean, God, that's tough. I mean, I think if, if I'm not in a position where like I have to make it or something and it doesn't, it's not, it's no skin off my back, then I think I would just be like, it's amazing. I love it.

• 11:36Alex Cooper?

  This is groundbreaking material.

• 11:39Speaker 01

  But if I, if it was like, I had to produce it or something, I would be like, Justine hated it.

• 11:45Speaker 01

  I loved it. Justine hated it.

• 11:46Alex Cooper?

  Justine's watching this literally like, yeah, that's my, yeah, yeah, always blame someone else. Yeah, you don't need to take the brunt of that.

• 11:52Speaker 01

  I wonder how many people in my professional life are gonna watch this and be like, oh, my God.

• 11:56Alex Cooper?

  Justine's always hated it.

• 11:57Speaker 01

  Justine hated my work too.

• 12:00Alex Cooper?

  It's always you. Um, what is the most brutal piece of acting feedback you have ever gotten in your career?

• 12:06Speaker 01

  My mom at the premiere of The Hunger Games said she could tell in every scene when I had my period.

• 12:16Speaker 01

  Water retention, I guess. Imagine a day of me being on camera that that doesn't go through my mind.

• 12:23Alex Cooper?

  You now like will never film when you're on your period. You're like, I'm so scarred. Don't put me on camera.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:28Alex Cooper?

  Oh, well, yeah, that's it.

• 12:29Speaker 01

  I'm like, well, I'll only be able to film for about 20 days. She's also like the most supportive in the bet and like the person I'm so excited to tell exciting news to. I don't know if, I think all moms do this where you're like, guess what? And they just say the most out, like the crazy, like it will never live up to it, you know? I'm like, guess what? And she's like, oh, my God, you wrote a movie, you're winning an Oscar for best writer, director, and you're acting in it and just won an Oscar for that. I'm like, no, but.

• 12:54Alex Cooper?

  But I love that you love me.

• 12:55Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 12:56Alex Cooper?

  Um, that's what I was thinking about when you were coming here. I'm like, I know some of your story, but like, I feel like maybe some people don't and you kind of have an interesting way that you got into this industry. So you were discovered on the street when you were only 14 years old in New York City with your mother, which is like such a flex to get like recognized in the street. They're like, this one, this, this one's gonna make it, which is great.

• 13:19Speaker 01

  So pretty.

• 13:21Alex Cooper?

  They just were like, she is so stunning, gorgeous, incredible.

• 13:25Speaker 01

  I walked on the street and everybody was like, oh, my God.

• 13:28Alex Cooper?

  They're like passing out. Like, this is the most stunning woman I've ever seen in my life. So they do that.

• 13:34Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 13:34Alex Cooper?

  And then your parents let you move to New York City with your brother to pursue this career to some capacity.

• 13:40Speaker 01

  I accept this abridged version. Yeah. I need you to turn the AC down, please. I'm gonna die.

• 13:45Alex Cooper?

  No, no, no, turn it down. I'm okay.

• 13:46Speaker 01

  I'm like, my nose is running. I'm getting sick.

• 13:50Speaker 01

  Like my throat, my throat hurts.

• 13:51Alex Cooper?

  You know what's so, you're gonna leave here and be literally sniffling so sick.

• 13:58Speaker 01

  I will send you my doctor bill.

• 14:01Alex Cooper?

  You know what's so crazy is I feel so great.

• 14:04Speaker 01

  I know. I was pregnant. I was like in my third trimester in the winter of New York. And I was just flying down the FDR with all of the windows down so hot because when you're pregnant, in the winter, the heat is on everywhere. And so I couldn't go to restaurants because I was just like, it's gonna be 100 degrees in the restaurant.

• 14:23Alex Cooper?

  Push it towards me if you can. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, perfect.

• 14:27Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 14:27Alex Cooper?

  If not, I'll get you a blanket. Okay, so we're in New York City. You're a model, basically. You're stunning, gorgeous. You're from Kentucky. So when you go back to Kentucky before you moved to New York and you tell all of your friends, like, I'm moving to New York City to pursue this, were all of your friends like, oh, that's so classic Jen? Or were they like, what, what do you mean you're doing this?

• 14:45Speaker 01

  Um, well, they all thought I was lying because I was a prolific liar.

• 14:49Alex Cooper?

  Oh, you're kind of like pathological liar, huh? You're kind of like, no.

• 14:54Alex Cooper?

  Nothing you say this entire interview is on.

• 14:56Speaker 01

  I'm actually from Arizona.

• 15:00Speaker 01

  No, I don't lie in interviews because I just assume everybody can like look something up and like, there's nothing more embarrassing than getting caught in a lie. Like, let me tell you, in elementary school, I told everyone I had a wooden leg. And when they found out, I didn't.

• 15:12Alex Cooper?

  Did you not wear skirts or shorts ever?

• 15:15Speaker 01

  No.

• 15:16Alex Cooper?

  Wait.

• 15:17Speaker 01

  That feels like a lie.

• 15:19Alex Cooper?

  Keep going with that. People thought you had a.

• 15:22Speaker 01

  I'm like, no, I didn't wear skirts because I went to a religious school where it just keeps going.

• 15:28Alex Cooper?

  You said that you had a wooden leg. So that kind of paints the picture. I was gonna say, like, what were you like as a teenager?

• 15:35Speaker 01

  Well, me as a teenager, it was a little more complicated because I was completely unsocialized, as anybody who's seen me in an interview can see. But like, I left Kentucky, left school when I was 14 and worked and, and homeschooled. I mean, I don't really homeschool, but um, so I, I wasn't around kids. I was a little weird.

• 15:58Alex Cooper?

  So, and were you comfortable with adults or you were just like not comfortable with anyone?

• 16:01Speaker 01

  Um, I'm sure I was comfortable with adults, but I mean, I don't think adults were like, wow, what a cool, what a great hang. Like, wow. And I definitely don't think anybody was like, she's mature.

• 16:10Alex Cooper?

  Okay, that's fair. So as someone who didn't grow up though, like you didn't want to be an actress at like six years old. You weren't like this, I'm made for the movies.

• 16:18Speaker 01

  No, it was never something that like really crossed my mind. I, um, just, I, I just wouldn't have thought that it was a possibility. Looking back in retrospect, we can see signs. Like, I would like walk out the door and like, ring the doorbell as like different characters, like asking to use the phone and like, you know, we can look back through like photo albums and be like, ah, an actor.

• 16:41Alex Cooper?

  Yes. What did you want to be with growing up?

• 16:43Speaker 01

  I thought I was gonna be a, well, a doctor, uh, an interior designer. I have no gift towards that at all. Um, these are just like jobs I knew about.

• 16:54Alex Cooper?

  Range. That's good. A doctor.

• 16:57Speaker 01

  Mm-hmm. That also can decorate your house.

• 17:01Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so you end up becoming an actress, obviously, and I today kind of wanted to go down memory lane. Now that you're getting warmed up, physically and verbally.

• 17:10Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 17:19Alex Cooper?

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• 19:09Speaker 01

  Okay. Hunger Games.

• 19:12Alex Cooper?

  Okay, you're 20 years old when you get Katniss. I need to know what you remember about going in for reading this audition.

• 19:20Speaker 01

  Oh, God. Um, skinny jeans.

• 19:26Speaker 01

  I remember stopping to buy candy before and eating it in the parking lot. And then it was at the director Gary Ross's house and his office above the garage. And he cried in my audition. So I was like, that seems like a good sign.

• 19:45Alex Cooper?

  Did you think you got the part? You're like, just good signs?

• 19:48Speaker 01

  Um, no, I don't think I thought it. Yeah, especially because you're so, you're so, um, what's that word? I don't have word suspicious, not suspicious.

• 19:56Alex Cooper?

  Like superstitious about like, yeah, you're like, I don't want to jinx anything.

• 19:59Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 19:59Alex Cooper?

  And did they film it? Like, have you ever rewatched your audition tape?

• 20:02Speaker 01

  They did film it, but please don't really. I don't ever want to see one of those. Oh, my God, ever.

• 20:06Alex Cooper?

  But if it made people cry, like Jen, this is good, like.

• 20:08Speaker 01

  I don't care. I don't know what I was wearing. I know it wasn't good.

• 20:12Alex Cooper?

  You don't want to go back to that. You don't really live the glory days.

• 20:14Speaker 01

  I'm like, why did I like stop my car and eat a bag of candy? Like.

• 20:18Alex Cooper?

  Well, it clearly worked.

• 20:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 20:19Alex Cooper?

  Obviously, The Hunger Games did have a massive fan base because of the books. Like, were you at all nervous once you got cast? Because fans are very intense about book series and it's a lot to live up to.

• 20:32Speaker 01

  That's not what made me nervous because I don't think I like knew about that.

• 20:35Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 20:37Speaker 01

  What made me nervous was just the way I, I was afraid that it could negatively, negatively affect my acting career. I was like, and just like my, my personal life, because like the one thing that I was always sure of when I was younger was like, I want to be a mom.

• 20:53Speaker 01

  And I was just like, this just looks so different than like, you know, doing some indies and like doing a film here. Like, this is huge. Like, because Twilight had like just come out and everybody saw what that was. And so it was really just more like, how is this gonna change my, my life and, and my acting career?

• 21:16Alex Cooper?

  And then it did forever.

• 21:17Speaker 01

  And then, but as we've established from 14, I just kind of do things. I just keep.

• 21:22Alex Cooper?

  You're like, it's fine. It's everything's gonna be fine.

• 21:23Speaker 01

  I'll figure it out when I get there.

• 21:24Alex Cooper?

  Do you remember your first day on set with the entire cast?

• 21:28Speaker 01

  Yeah, I remember day one. Yes. Day one. Because we were doing like the, the reaping stuff, not I volunteer, but like that set.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  And prim stuff at the house. Oh, my God. And I remember I was doing a scene where I was like in a wash basin and like a very old house in North Carolina. It was like a historical house. And I saw a fly and I punched it through a window and shattered the window and everyone was like.

• 21:59Speaker 01

  Why did you do that?

• 22:02Speaker 01

  That I do remember that from my first day. Sorry, but what was the question?

• 22:05Alex Cooper?

  I don't know, but why did we, why did you do that?

• 22:08Speaker 01

  It's just like, something moved me.

• 22:12Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so did you, and did you feel like very confident on that set?

• 22:16Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 22:17Alex Cooper?

  Why do you think that is? Because that's like your big first, first job. And like you said, like you were aware of how big it was gonna be. Like, where do you think you?

• 22:23Speaker 01

  I think because I had made the decision, you know, so I, it was, I had taken the time. I thought about it before I said yes. I asked him to give me a few days, you know, and I thought about it. And then I had months to, you know, prepare and it was, it was a lot of like physical preparation and stunt training and, you know, a lot of archery and stuff. So by the time I got there, I, I, you know, I was like,

• 22:50Alex Cooper?

  You were ready?

• 22:50Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 22:51Alex Cooper?

  I, I do remember like obviously how intensive it was. You're like, I'm actually doing physical activities during this. Do you remember what was one of the craziest scenes where you're like, I can't believe I'm doing this as an actress right now?

• 23:04Speaker 01

  Yeah, there was a scene where I'm running down a mountain and there are like fireballs being like fired at me. And none of it was CGI. Like, I mean, I guess the, the, but like the, everything really was exploding and catching on fire and you couldn't, if, if you strayed away from your trail, which is not clear, because if they, you know, put red tape or something, you'll see it. Um, so you just kind of have a general idea of like where to go. And like, if you're wrong, you will blow up.

• 23:37Alex Cooper?

  I feel like I love this job so much. This is so fun.

• 23:40Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 23:40Alex Cooper?

  Okay, interesting. Okay, next.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  Catching fire.

• 23:47Alex Cooper?

  You and Josh.

• 23:48Speaker 01

  Me and Josh. That is my baby.

• 23:51Alex Cooper?

  I don't know if this is controversial to say, but like,

• 23:54Alex Cooper?

  I was kind of like team Gale.

• 23:56Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 23:58Alex Cooper?

  Now, now, we could settle the debate here. Were you team PETA or were you team Gale?

• 24:07Speaker 01

  Um,

• 24:10Speaker 01

  I was team Gale.

• 24:14Speaker 01

  Even after he killed my sister.

• 24:16Alex Cooper?

  Still riding for him.

• 24:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 24:18Alex Cooper?

  Do you think that that will cause controversy on the internet?

• 24:21Speaker 01

  I can't say because I said that I was team Jeremiah during the summer I turned pretty. And the level of hate that I got was bigger than any controversy I've ever been involved in in my life.

• 24:34Alex Cooper?

  Talk to me about that.

• 24:35Speaker 01

  I don't, I, it literally was like, I feel like I was just like rage baiting, like slightly. Cause like I did it with my friends. It was just like, I like Jeremiah, you know, and they'd be like, ah. I thought it was innocent. It, what, people were like, you should die. You should die. And

• 24:53Alex Cooper?

  It is wild to insert yourself in that, especially who you are.

• 24:57Speaker 01

  Oh, so you agree with them?

• 24:58Alex Cooper?

  No, I just, I'm shocked that like, I do like that you just like sling it and you're like, oh, I'm just gonna tell you what I think. But it's, it's definitely, it's definitely the take that's not

• 25:10Speaker 01

  I guess I could, I guess my response to

• 25:12Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, give me the rebuttal.

• 25:13Speaker 01

  To you, um, thank you so much for your feedback. I guess my response to your feedback would be, how on earth would I have assumed? That such a thing would cause such, I, like, I've been involved in a lot, like, and I've pissed off the public like many, many times. I've, I'm old. I've been famous for decades. It never occurred to me that that would be the number one where people were just like, I wish you had never been born.

• 25:41Alex Cooper?

  It's similar to if you were someone who got involved in Love Island drama.

• 25:46Speaker 01

  Your raw brush and review was award-winning journalism.

• 25:49Alex Cooper?

  When he showed up in his overalls, I knew we had gold on our hands.

• 25:53Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 25:55Alex Cooper?

  It was, it was, it was something for culture.

• 25:57Speaker 01

  You were perfect. You are perfect.

• 26:01Alex Cooper?

  Thank you. Okay, I obviously know famously Liam Hemsworth claimed that you would eat tuna and garlic before kissing him.

• 26:09Alex Cooper?

  Why? Why did you do that?

• 26:12Speaker 01

  I didn't, like, he's just, I think that like,

• 26:17Speaker 01

  I don't even know where, what to say, Liam. Um, I, we are filming for many months and filming takes a lot of time. He made it seem like I, that's just like something I did, like on purpose. Like, I would just like, I would eat

• 26:34Alex Cooper?

  Tuna.

• 26:34Speaker 01

  And tuna, what have you.

• 26:37Alex Cooper?

  Do you like tuna?

• 26:38Speaker 01

  I do.

• 26:39Alex Cooper?

  I do too.

• 26:40Speaker 01

  Tuna salad, tuna melt.

• 26:41Alex Cooper?

  But it's really controversial.

• 26:42Speaker 01

  Why?

• 26:43Alex Cooper?

  You're gonna get canceled again.

• 26:44Speaker 01

  Really? Why is it controversial?

• 26:45Alex Cooper?

  Oh, I feel like every time I tell people I like tuna, like, okay, don't you, come on, don't you kind of feel like when you're at a restaurant or you're with people, and of course it's like your husband because he knows like whatever, but if you're with like people that maybe don't know you and you're like, I'll have the tuna, whatever. There's a little side eye. People kind of look at you like, you're getting the tuna. I think people like think it's kind of nasty.

• 27:04Speaker 01

  Oh, I'm sure it is. I need food to taste processed, you know?

• 27:09Alex Cooper?

  You're gonna muddy up that tuna with a bunch of

• 27:12Speaker 01

  Relish. Mayo, zest crackers. Sorry, go on.

• 27:17Alex Cooper?

  Okay, you and Josh are gonna be in the new movie. What was it like to go back to Katniss?

• 27:23Speaker 01

  Unbelievable. It was so crazy because it was, it was the same crew. It was the same camera guys, the same AD, who I've worked with a, a million times too, because I love him. Um, and Josh and Woody and like, it, it was so emotional. It was like, Josh and I like, didn't walk to the bathroom without our arms around each other. Like, we, we, it was so beautiful.

• 27:49Alex Cooper?

  That's really cute. I'm excited.

• 27:51Speaker 01

  And Woody obviously came through the window of my hotel room uninvited because it would not be

• 27:56Alex Cooper?

  The same.

• 27:56Speaker 01

  It wouldn't be the same if he listened to Boundaries and used a door.

• 28:00Alex Cooper?

  Obviously not. I'm gonna show you this next one. It's one of my all-time favorites.

• 28:06Speaker 01

  Um, that's Silver Lining's playbook.

• 28:07Alex Cooper?

  Did you have any idea when you were filming that movie during the process of it, how big it was gonna get?

• 28:14Speaker 01

  No, of course not. I mean, you never really do unless you're making like The Hunger Games or whatever, but, um, no, no. And I felt the whole time like I didn't, I, I don't get it. Like, what is this movie about? I don't get it.

• 28:25Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, I guess you kind of like leaned into that though with your character, right? You just like, you went into

• 28:31Alex Cooper?

  You're like, honestly, whatever you took from that, perfect.

• 28:33Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:34Alex Cooper?

  So at the time, obviously Bradley was one of the biggest and obviously still is, one of the biggest actors in Hollywood. What was it like meeting him for the first time?

• 28:44Speaker 01

  Um, I was definitely nervous. He was like, he was in The Hangover and if, I mean, what, everybody here, you weren't even born when The Hangover came out.

• 28:51Alex Cooper?

  Excuse you. I was a big fan of The Hangover.

• 28:54Speaker 01

  And so, yeah, he was like the biggest celebrity I think I had like ever met at the time. And I was like, watch this. Hold my beer.

• 29:02Alex Cooper?

  You guys then go into dance rehearsals, right? Because you had to do a lot. What was the vibe?

• 29:06Speaker 01

  I was confident.

• 29:07Alex Cooper?

  There's our girl.

• 29:08Speaker 01

  And I'm so bad. After we finished filming, I had to do ADR to, to say like, yeah, I'm not that good of a dancer, but I like it. It's fun. It makes me happy. Because I was, my dancing was so bad and it needed to be like explained in the movie. And if you had put a gun to my head while we were shooting, I would have been like, I'm really, really good. I'm an amazing dancer.

• 29:33Alex Cooper?

  They're like, hey Jen, we're just gonna need a backup line. We may not use it.

• 29:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 29:36Alex Cooper?

  But Jen, you're like,

• 29:37Speaker 01

  I know, I'm like reading the, I'm like, I'm not that good of a, hey.

• 29:42Alex Cooper?

  Okay, that's good to know. So it humbled you a little bit.

• 29:44Speaker 01

  Not even. I was just like, they probably just need that as an option. My character is probably just really humble.

• 29:49Alex Cooper?

  For character development. That's nothing to do with me.

• 29:51Speaker 01

  What else can I dance in?

• 29:53Alex Cooper?

  Looking back, what was one of your favorite memories from filming that movie?

• 29:58Speaker 01

  When Bradley and I had like a big make out session, like at the end of the movie and

• 30:05Speaker 01

  I, I said, um, aren't you so sick of kissing? And he, um, didn't like that. But I think he laughed. But it just, it was funny. It was one of those moments where you're like trying, you're like, right? And the other person's like, oh.

• 30:22Alex Cooper?

  You're like, oh, well, no, I thought,

• 30:24Speaker 01

  I'm sorry.

• 30:25Alex Cooper?

  Are you saying I'm bad?

• 30:26Speaker 01

  Yeah, but, but he laughed.

• 30:28Alex Cooper?

  Next. And last.

• 30:29Speaker 01

  LOL.

• 30:31Alex Cooper?

  LOL.

• 30:31Speaker 01

  LOL. Um, that is Mystique way, um, on the first, the first one, First Class, Exman First Class.

• 30:39Alex Cooper?

  And the amount of prosthetics and costume and makeup and all of it?

• 30:43Speaker 01

  Crazy. So that for, for First Class, which is what that one is, um, they, it was all body paint and glue and it was like, it was eight hours every, every time.

• 30:53Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 30:54Speaker 01

  And ticklish. And her, like, you, you've had airbrushing.

• 30:58Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 30:59Speaker 01

  Imagine 12 tiny, cold, compressing airbrushes all over your body. No, I'm on, I'm a hero and no one will ever understand what I went through.

• 31:08Alex Cooper?

  And it's like, no one talks about it enough.

• 31:09Speaker 01

  No.

• 31:10Alex Cooper?

  That's why I brought it here today.

• 31:11Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 31:11Alex Cooper?

  I wanted to give you your moment.

• 31:12Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 31:13Alex Cooper?

  But how many times do you have to do it?

• 31:14Speaker 01

  Donate to

• 31:18Alex Cooper?

  Do you feel like you've gotten more comfortable advocating for yourself in moments in your career where you're like, oh, I don't really want to wear that or I don't want to do that? Or do you still feel like you're kind of malleable in moments when people need you to be what they want you to be?

• 31:31Speaker 01

  I think, I think you, you have to be malleable. That's part of the job, you know? So Lynn Ramsey for Dye My Love wanted me to cut my hair and get like mullet bangs and like dye it platinum blonde and like, that's the gig. Like, you know, I ended up loving the hair. But I didn't think I was going to, um, Yeah, you have to be malleable. I think I'm definitely, I speak up more because I'm also aware of the place that I have in the industry. So like, there was like an instance on set where crew members who weren't approved, when I was like doing nudity, you know, were on set or something. And I came down hard on it purely because if, if we're not setting that kind

• 32:16Speaker 01

  of principle at the level at which we're doing it right now, you know, then what on earth is going to happen to an 18 year old? Unknown. You know, if she shows up and there's people that aren't approved, it's, you know, she's going to be in a position like, do I say something and get a reputation for being difficult? Or do I just let these people that I'm not comfortable seeing me naked, see me naked? So it was important to me to explain that to the, to the people, why that was not okay.

• 32:42Alex Cooper?

  It is great. I also think it's like such a weird thing where especially as women, you're like, oh, wow. I, you slowly gain more power as you have more success in this industry. And power I use lightly because like still as women, it's like they

• 32:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, because you can't use it.

• 32:56Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, no, no, no.

• 32:57Speaker 01

  Then they'll, they'll get mad at you.

• 32:58Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, but you're like, oh, maybe I like could say a little something for these people in this position. Maybe the way you couldn't have said that back all the way, maybe like Hunger Games, let's say, where you were just starting off. And I think something that I have even struggled with in my career is like, we have to be aware of our likability. It's like, where do you find the balance now where you're sitting today of like stressed as a woman in this industry about if people like you or not?

• 33:23Speaker 01

  It's, it's, you can't let it influence your decisions, you know, like getting into hair space is like, I'm sure people are going to have a lot to say. And I think, I think it's scary. This is the first time I'm doing something that I have, I really don't have experience with this. Nothing to like kind of fall back on because I've dealt with stress in the film industry. And there's not really a scenario that I'm handling that I haven't handled before, or in some capacity of some sort of, and this is new for me. So, but I feel really confident. I feel really

• 34:09Speaker 01

  too excited like to move forward with it. And I mean, I, it has, the, the transition to me makes sense. It doesn't have to make sense to anybody else. But when I was starting out, like for the Mystique, that the other part of that character, Raven, they dyed my hair five different colors, just on the screen test, like in a day. They dyed my hair red, brown, black, and then platinum blonde.

• 34:37Alex Cooper?

  How did you not lose all your hair?

• 34:38Speaker 01

  I don't know. Um, because I was using mess.

• 34:42Alex Cooper?

  Yes.

• 34:42Speaker 01

  Twenty years ago, I was using it. Um, but it was obviously like fried. And I, I had no agency over my hair. It wasn't until I got, I was in The Hunger Games and I really wanted to use a wig because I was tired of dying my hair brown. And they were refusing to give me a wig. And so I had my first tiny little protest of giving myself the worst haircut anyone has ever seen in their life, uh, which was the pixie, famously. I, I, do you know how embarrassing it was to be on a date with my now husband? I'd be like on a second date with him and I'd be like, has he seen those pictures of me?

• 35:25Alex Cooper?

  The pixie, yeah.

• 35:27Speaker 01

  Like having a crush on somebody and know, knowing that those pictures are out on the internet. Anyway.

• 35:32Alex Cooper?

  But he didn't know you when you had the pixie?

• 35:34Speaker 01

  He didn't know me then.

• 35:35Alex Cooper?

  So, you know.

• 35:35Speaker 01

  But I was just like, I have a crush on you. Please don't Google me. Please don't Google me like around 2000.

• 35:40Alex Cooper?

  Those will be the first ones that come up.

• 35:42Speaker 01

  So, once all my hair was off, growing it back, I just became obsessive about the health. And so, I don't know, I'm, I'm excited by it. And it's, I have a lot of like creative energy that I'm excited to like expand on. So, um, and I know that they're good. I know that the products work and that they're good. So that obviously is a huge relief. I know that part. I can sleep at night.

• 36:08Alex Cooper?

  That will stand the test of time. If you've got a great product, then you can kind of sit back, relax, and you can enjoy the show.

• 36:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:22Alex Cooper?

  Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Ross. Fall is about finding pieces you love, making them your own and creating looks and spaces just right for the season. Whether you're updating a small apartment or a spacious home, drawn to timeless neutrals, or bold seasonal touches, Ross makes it easy to imagine what's next and bring your fall vision to life. Ross makes fashion accessible to all with up to 20 to 60% off other retailers' prices on the brands you love. Find your nearest Ross at rossstores.com. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Southern New Hampshire University. Daddy gang, let's get real, okay? We like to make our own rules. Southern New Hampshire University gets it.

• 37:04Alex Cooper?

  They let you learn what you want with over 200 career-focused programs, where you want with 100% online courses, and how you want with no set class times. Basically, you get to call the shots from day one. Visit SNHU.edu/callherdaddy to learn more. Okay, let's transition. I want to talk to you about motherhood. Because, you know, we've been referencing our brains a little bit in this interview, and I appreciate you meeting me there.

• 37:33Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 37:34Alex Cooper?

  I think that's something a lot of people talk about is like their readiness to be a mom, right? Like, oh, my gosh, how did you know you were ready? And did you feel ready? And there's been so many people asking me that question. And I was curious for you personally, what was that experience like? Did you know, okay, now's the time?

• 37:49Speaker 01

  Um, I wanted to be a mom for so long. And, you know, didn't find the right person. And then I found the right person. And then we were married. And then we wanted to be like married for the right time. So I kind of like, I wanted it so badly that I kind of like waited for him to be like, okay, it is now an acceptable time for you to ask me for a child. And I was like, please. But I felt like ready. But I also like, there's also, I understand when people are like, you're never going to feel ready.

• 38:16Alex Cooper?

  What were you completely unprepared for?

• 38:21Speaker 01

  You know, your vagina will bounce back, your butthole won't.

• 38:25Alex Cooper?

  I don't know if I needed to hear that before giving birth. I'm like, wow, wow, Jen.

• 38:32Speaker 01

  Unprepared, you're unprepared for all of it.

• 38:34Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 38:35Speaker 01

  All of it. And everybody's like, your instincts, your instincts, you have no idea what you're doing. There's no, I remember women being like, you'll be able to hear the difference with the cries. And then I'm like, I can't hear the difference with the cries. Like, I'm such a bad mom.

• 38:48Alex Cooper?

  Jen, what's going to happen to my butthole?

• 38:52Speaker 01

  I'll tell you. I will tell you.

• 38:54Alex Cooper?

  Really?

• 38:54Speaker 01

  Once I can get into a heated place.

• 38:57Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 38:57Speaker 01

  I'll show you.

• 39:00Alex Cooper?

  Oh, wow. Because you know what? Like, no one said that to me yet.

• 39:04Speaker 01

  Really? Weird.

• 39:05Alex Cooper?

  No, no one said that to me. And I've had someone be like, do you want to see my birth video? And I'm like, no, because I don't want to, I don't want to know yet.

• 39:13Speaker 01

  That person sounds really, really gross and weird.

• 39:16Alex Cooper?

  You, literally five minutes ago. But I, I, yeah, I'm, okay, I'll, and we're going to circle back before you leave on just like, what you meant by that.

• 39:25Speaker 01

  Okay. I need like three minutes.

• 39:27Alex Cooper?

  Yeah. And by the time you explain it to me, can you lie to my face? Because you are a good liar. Whatever you were, what the honest truth is, lie. Because I still got to, I got to do it.

• 39:36Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 39:36Alex Cooper?

  And I don't want to be giving birth thinking, what did Jen say about my asshole?

• 39:39Speaker 01

  There's no going back. That thing's coming out.

• 39:42Alex Cooper?

  I know. Okay. How has it changed your relationship with yourself?

• 39:47Speaker 01

  I mean, I just, I'm so ruled by guilt. I'm trying not to be, I'm, you know what? I'm not ruled by guilt.

• 39:54Alex Cooper?

  Why? Like, what do you mean?

• 39:56Speaker 01

  You just, you, you're never doing enough. You're, you're never, you're never there enough. But if you're there too much, then, you know, they're too attached and then they're never going to go to school. And you're, you're just never, I don't think I've ever just like gotten into bed and been like, wow, God, I'm such a good mom. And I know I'm a good mom. I know. And I, it's just, it's hard to pat yourself on the back because this job is so important. And you love your kids so much that it's hard to just be like, good job.

• 40:28Alex Cooper?

  And you can hear it from maybe other people be like, you're doing a great job. But you yourself, it's hard.

• 40:32Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah.

• 40:33Alex Cooper?

  How has it changed your approach to your career?

• 40:35Speaker 01

  It has been really great for my career. And in the way that like, um, not for my career, but for my work, I don't, I've never really needed structured time before. I've never, you know, my, I have never had to kind of, yeah, structure my time. And so when you have kids, you have to be very mindful about what hours are spent, where, what you're going to do and how, or you're not going to get anything done and you're going to fail at both. So I'm really structured with my time now, which is just something that I never thought about or saw for myself.

• 41:11Alex Cooper?

  Okay, so to me, give me one piece of advice that I'm opening it up. You're allowed to give me advice. New mom coming into this, what should, should I not do?

• 41:23Speaker 01

  Don't start, don't worry that your kid is like bored. Don't, when they get into the car seat, don't just hand them something right away, you know? And like, that's something that like you have to get over. Because you'll be like, they're bored, they're bored, they're this, they're, you know, and it's like, they're not, their neurons are like quadrupling and they're like seeing a tree.

• 41:43Alex Cooper?

  Like they've never seen a tree before.

• 41:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. And like, don't just give them advice.

• 41:49Alex Cooper?

  Okay. How has being a mom and a career woman and a wife, all the things impacted your female friendships?

• 41:57Speaker 01

  Butthole?

• 41:57Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, well, me literally clenching my butthole for the rest of this whole interview, being like, no, how has it affected your friendships? Do you have friends?

• 42:05Speaker 01

  They're over, they're done. Um, I don't know. Um, the mom community is so important and I, helped me so much. Like, going to the baby classes and like moms from school.

• 42:18Speaker 01

  Like, I remember when I had bad postpartum with my second, I like got on the elevator and one of the moms was just like, are you okay? And I just wasn't. And I was just like, I'm really scared. Every day I have such bad anxiety. I feel like I'm being chased by a tiger. And like, one of the moms like heard and hugged me and just like gave me her number and, and just talked to me. Like, the mom community is like really amazing.

• 42:40Alex Cooper?

  It really is. And I, again, prior to even thinking about having a kid, would have just been like, okay, I can't relate to that. And now being pregnant, so much of what I've been going through, it has been really nice to see other women who are like, oh, my God, don't worry. I've done that before. And I've messed that up and all the thing. Like, it makes you feel way less alone. Because again, I love my husband and he really is like my partner in all this. But I'm like, you literally don't understand what I'm physically going through. So to have another woman talk to me about her butthole, like, it's just something that Matt and I will never connect on. Do you know what I mean?

• 43:12Speaker 01

  Your butthole too.

• 43:13Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah. Like, he just, he'll just, he'll just never understand it.

• 43:15Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 43:24Alex Cooper?

  Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Ross. Fall is about finding pieces you love, making them your own and creating looks and spaces just right for the season. Whether you're updating a small apartment or a spacious home, drawn to timeless neutrals or bold seasonal touches, Ross makes it easy to imagine what's next and bring your fall vision to life. Ross makes fashion accessible to all with up to 20 to 60% off other retailers' prices on the brands you love. Find your nearest Ross at rossstores.com. Call Her Daddy is brought to you by Southern New Hampshire University. Daddy gang, let's get real, okay? We like to make our own rules. Southern New Hampshire University gets it.

• 44:06Alex Cooper?

  They let you learn what you want with over 200 career-focused programs, where you want with 100% online courses, and how you want with no set class times. Basically, you get to call the shots from day one. Visit snhu.edu/callherdaddy to learn more. You have a secret TikTok?

• 44:28Speaker 01

  I do.

• 44:29Alex Cooper?

  That you use to rage bait people in the comments?

• 44:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, and I think I'm just gonna like take that live. I think I'm just gonna, it's about time I just take the mask off.

• 44:37Alex Cooper?

  Really?

• 44:37Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think so. Cause I'm literally, I'm arguing about like Victorian, you know, ancestry.

• 44:45Alex Cooper?

  Wait, wait, what's on your for you page?

• 44:47Speaker 01

  Uh, my FYP is, um, like the long skincare things.

• 44:53Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 44:54Speaker 01

  You know, like where the girls wake up and they're like.

• 44:57Alex Cooper?

  Oh yeah, those ones where they're like wearing the whole shield over their hair and they take it off and the rollers.

• 45:01Speaker 01

  By the way, like your pores can't breathe.

• 45:03Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 45:04Speaker 01

  Like you can't sleep like that.

• 45:05Alex Cooper?

  And also, how do you sleep like that? It's the whole thing, the rollers?

• 45:08Speaker 01

  No, I don't, um, um, uh, hair, a lot of hair stuff. Um, and, um, at recipes.

• 45:17Alex Cooper?

  Oh, you're a cook?

• 45:19Speaker 01

  Well, I can cook.

• 45:20Alex Cooper?

  Yeah.

• 45:21Speaker 01

  I, I haven't cooked as much.

• 45:23Alex Cooper?

  Okay.

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Lately.

• 45:24Alex Cooper?

  So have you gotten into any fights online?

• 45:28Speaker 01

  With other celebrities?

• 45:29Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 45:29Speaker 01

  Oh, with strangers? All the time, every day.

• 45:32Alex Cooper?

  What are you fighting about?

• 45:34Speaker 01

  I told you, English tutor history.

• 45:39Alex Cooper?

  Like what are, and what's your take? Like, what are we saying?

• 45:42Speaker 01

  It depends on what the situation is, you know?

• 45:44Alex Cooper?

  And are you doing this while you're like sitting on the toilet? Like while you're like in the car? Like, when are you most rage baiting people?

• 45:51Speaker 01

  God, can you imagine sitting on the toilet without your phone?

• 45:54Alex Cooper?

  No, I literally got up.

• 45:55Speaker 01

  Hello?

• 45:57Alex Cooper?

  I literally got up the other day because I was like, I gotta go get it before I go to sit down.

• 46:01Speaker 01

  Yeah, I know, I know. Isn't that so dark?

• 46:03Alex Cooper?

  Well, it's so like lonely and you're like.

• 46:05Speaker 01

  I'll sometimes like put a podcast in to walk from my bedroom like downstairs to my kitchen. Like, what am I gonna listen to on these 13 steps?

• 46:12Alex Cooper?

  Cause you're doing your best rage bait comments, maybe.

• 46:17Speaker 01

  I, all, all day, every day. You know, there's not really, yeah. If I'm breathing, I'm rage baiting.

• 46:22Alex Cooper?

  Let me get your take on a couple of things. How do we feel about people who post their Spotify raps at the end of the year?

• 46:27Speaker 01

  I, I'm, I find that really uncomfortable. I don't know who could be that extroverted.

• 46:33Alex Cooper?

  What are you listening to?

• 46:35Speaker 01

  I listen to the same three songs. I, I don't know how to find new music.

• 46:38Alex Cooper?

  Name the three songs, Jen.

• 46:40Speaker 01

  Um, I really, really don't want to do that. I, I can't. I, I, that's too private. It's so private.

• 46:47Alex Cooper?

  It's so incredible.

• 46:49Speaker 01

  Of all the things we've talked about today, that is so deeply private.

• 46:53Alex Cooper?

  Even when my Spotify rap does happen, I don't wanna look at it.

• 46:57Speaker 01

  It would be like if we were listening to a song and you were like, what are you imagining right now? And like, I had to tell you? And I'm like, I'm a record producer and I wrote this song.

• 47:09Alex Cooper?

  When you would go on dates with men and they're like, what kind of music do you like?

• 47:12Speaker 01

  Oh, uh, just don't check.

• 47:17Alex Cooper?

  Like there's, I don't even, I don't even know, I've lied in the past. I'm like, well, what do you like? I'm like, same. Cause it's just too vulnerable.

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Yeah, my answer used to be, God, I hate this.

• 47:27Alex Cooper?

  Okay, give it.

• 47:28Speaker 01

  Good of everything, but that's not true. I really, I cannot stand the sound of a saxophone. It does something to my inner like ear.

• 47:36Alex Cooper?

  Oh, good to know.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  Oh, I hate it.

• 47:38Alex Cooper?

  Okay, how do you feel about glam bots on the red carpet?

• 47:42Speaker 01

  What is that?

• 47:43Alex Cooper?

  You know.

• 47:43Speaker 01

  Is that somebody who's a computer?

• 47:46Alex Cooper?

  You're like, obviously I know what this is. It's when you're on the red carpet. You go to red carpets.

• 47:52Speaker 01

  I do.

• 47:53Alex Cooper?

  They, they have these at the Oscars. They go one, two, three, and there's a camera up here and then it moves. It's the one that moves, remember? And then you turn.

• 47:59Speaker 01

  Humiliating.

• 48:01Alex Cooper?

  Have you ever done one?

• 48:02Speaker 01

  It's not humiliating when other people do it, but the act of doing it is humiliating.

• 48:05Alex Cooper?

  What do you think your pose would be?

• 48:09Alex Cooper?

  It gets you like right in the act where you're like, yeah, bad, bad, bad. Yeah, I actually could see you just doing it and giving straight face.

• 48:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, it's just like.

• 48:18Alex Cooper?

  That's, that would be, yeah, maybe you should do it next time you go on the carpet. Um, we gotta go reality TV takes, okay?

• 48:25Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:25Alex Cooper?

  If you had to pick best reality TV show of all time?

• 48:29Speaker 01

  Uh, Vanderpump Rules. The, the OG.

• 48:33Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, specifically the first couple of seasons. Like, yeah, I don't know what I did to you, but you can get me a P. New Grigio.

• 48:39Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:39Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Jack's Taylor.

• 48:41Speaker 01

  Jack's Taylor, oh my God.

• 48:43Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Kristen Doty.

• 48:45Speaker 01

  Oh, please.

• 48:47Alex Cooper?

  It was, something was in the air.

• 48:49Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:50Alex Cooper?

  I agree. I was trying to think about it and I was like, I think that, I do have to give Jersey Shore credit because it's, it's like, it really did something for the culture.

• 49:01Speaker 01

  Here's the thing, your question, what is the best reality TV show ever? You're right, it is Jersey Shore or like The Real World or, you know? I think for me and my universe, I guess I would say Vanderpump Rules.

• 49:17Alex Cooper?

  No, no, no, that's actually fair. Like for you, it's the best. No, for me, I would have been like Laguna Beach in the hills, like that for me coming up.

• 49:23Speaker 01

  Oh my God, can you imagine? Remember Elsie's purse with the big ring?

• 49:27Alex Cooper?

  Do you remember her house?

• 49:29Speaker 01

  Yeah, of course.

• 49:29Alex Cooper?

  Oh my.

• 49:30Speaker 01

  Her dad?

• 49:33Alex Cooper?

  Her dad. I was like, I'm sitting in my room, eating my hair with my sister. We live in a cul-de-sac in Pennsylvania. I don't even know what, where Los Angeles is on the map. And we're sitting there watching these women and they are just so beautiful, so gorgeous. Their outfits, their everything.

• 49:49Speaker 01

  And they have like boyfriends, like full boyfriends who like drive them in cars.

• 49:52Alex Cooper?

  And they're wearing like the Chanel big glasses and like Jason picks her up in a convertible. Like I was so enthralled with that world and I couldn't even ima, and then when Kristin Cavallari comes on the scene and, oh my God, I was so obsessed with it. So I think it really like impacted who I wanted to be, you know?

• 50:10Speaker 01

  You are, and I want you to know, in my culture, I think in our shared culture, this is the nicest thing I could say to you.

• 50:16Alex Cooper?

  Oh God.

• 50:16Speaker 01

  You are as beautiful as Kristin Cavallari.

• 50:22Alex Cooper?

  I.

• 50:23Speaker 01

  Please accept these compliments from my culture.

• 50:25Alex Cooper?

  You're gassing me up because you know, I'm not feeling great about my pregnant, you know how I'm feeling. Thank you.

• 50:29Speaker 01

  I really believe that.

• 50:30Alex Cooper?

  You are as beautiful as Elsie.

• 50:32Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 50:33Alex Cooper?

  We're feeling good today. Um, how do we feel about dad talk?

• 50:37Speaker 01

  Uh, not, not good. I don't like, uh, dads.

• 50:45Speaker 01

  Um, uh, I, I don't, I hate it. I hate dad talk.

• 50:50Alex Cooper?

  It's, it's.

• 50:51Speaker 01

  It feels like you're riding on their coattails and also you are mad at them for the success that they have and for the, the income that they're bringing into the home. Not only are you copying it, you are then belittling them and you are angry at them that you didn't do it first.

• 51:13Alex Cooper?

  I so agree with you.

• 51:14Speaker 01

  God, I'm mad.

• 51:15Alex Cooper?

  Fuck!

• 51:18Alex Cooper?

  We both start crying.

• 51:20Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 51:21Alex Cooper?

  Okay, what dating show? Let's pretend you're single. Your husband's gone, your kids don't exist. We're back in the day, Jen.

• 51:27Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 51:29Alex Cooper?

  What dating show would you crush? Like if you went on this, you're like, I would be a rising star.

• 51:35Speaker 01

  Hmm, I love that.

• 51:36Alex Cooper?

  Mm-hmm.

• 51:37Speaker 01

  I think, um, I think Love Island because it's about the girlies.

• 51:41Alex Cooper?

  Hmm.

• 51:41Speaker 01

  Like, cause I wouldn't be able to be like competitive with, I would have to be like, if we're not friends, I'm gonna cry.

• 51:47Alex Cooper?

  Okay, and then you would feel good about like pulling men for chats? Do you think your chat game is strong?

• 51:53Speaker 01

  No.

• 51:54Alex Cooper?

  Oh.

• 51:55Speaker 01

  I don't think so. Um, but I'm just trying to imagine me in like Love is Blind, just like blacked out.

• 52:02Alex Cooper?

  Putting in the wall, you're like, you're like, are you getting claustrophobic?

• 52:05Speaker 01

  Revolutionary war. I was, I was just arguing with somebody about, oh yeah, because I wouldn't have my phone.

• 52:12Alex Cooper?

  No.

• 52:12Speaker 01

  So I would have to argue with the person in the wall next to me about historical facts.

• 52:17Alex Cooper?

  I think you'd need to be like in person, in eye contact, under the canopy.

• 52:20Speaker 01

  Also in Love Island, they're like only allowed two drinks or something. If, if I didn't have kids and this was in, I'm, I'm uncomfortable and I don't have my phone, I, oh my God, I would have a seizure from drinking so much.

• 52:34Alex Cooper?

  You're bringing in a flask. You're hiding a flask in your drawer. You're having a good time.

• 52:38Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 52:38Alex Cooper?

  Okay, I could see you on Love Island.

• 52:41Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 52:41Alex Cooper?

  Oh my God, you should totally do a little like appearance.

• 52:46Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 52:46Alex Cooper?

  I mean, like.

• 52:47Speaker 01

  No, no, no, I hear you. Great, I see, I get it.

• 52:51Alex Cooper?

  Megan Thee Stallion came in and like hosted a challenge. Do you think, do you think you would ever do that?

• 52:55Speaker 01

  No.

• 52:56Alex Cooper?

  No? Okay, okay. Okay, should Amanda and West have stayed on Summer House?

• 53:02Speaker 01

  Well, obviously I don't know the ins and outs of their deal. Um, I think she said something like she was, she was getting like a pay, a pay dock or something. So, you know, that's, I mean, yes, I want, I want them to continue to be on the show. Um, but I don't know what, ah, I mean, God, it's just like.

• 53:25Speaker 01

  Just don't do that. There are, you know, it's like, if you, if you have those feelings, sit with it for a minute, but just, just make other choices. It just, you don't, you know, like if, if, if my friend came over and like, like tomorrow, you know, if my friend was like, single and was like dating a new guy and he walked in and I was like, oh my God, this guy is so hot. Are you, you're just like, wow, that is something that I feel and, you know, and then, and life goes on, you know, the last thing I'm going to do is act on this.

• 54:02Alex Cooper?

  Literally the last thing. Andy Cohen said that you helped him get to the bottom of the Summer House reunion audio leak. Can you please explain?

• 54:11Speaker 01

  Um, I can confirm.

• 54:14Alex Cooper?

  You can confirm, but you can't explain. Okay. So like you're, you're sleuthing.

• 54:18Speaker 01

  I, I, I did it in way, everything was like a public information. It was, it was actually quite easy.

• 54:25Alex Cooper?

  You're in the chats, you're in the channels.

• 54:27Speaker 01

  Yeah, I, I, I don't mind my own business. That's the thing about me.

• 54:32Alex Cooper?

  And we all love that. Okay, who is Kris Jenner's favorite daughter?

• 54:39Speaker 01

  Me, but Kylie, I think.

• 54:41Alex Cooper?

  It's gotta be Kylie.

• 54:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 54:43Alex Cooper?

  It, it oscillates between Kylie and Kim, Kylie and Kim.

• 54:45Speaker 01

  Yeah. Well, I don't know. Kendall's on her lock screen or was.

• 54:49Alex Cooper?

  It should be Khloe.

• 54:51Speaker 01

  Uh, well, Khloe's my favorite sister.

• 54:54Alex Cooper?

  Me too. Um, which reality TV reunion would you be qualified to host?

• 55:00Speaker 01

  Um, be qualified to host? I don't, I mean, none of them because I can't, I, I wouldn't let any of them talk. And I wouldn't, the men, like imagine if I was hosting The Valley.

• 55:14Alex Cooper?

  Oh my God.

• 55:16Speaker 01

  Yeah, Danny.

• 55:18Alex Cooper?

  You're not gonna.

• 55:19Speaker 01

  Couldn't sit with us.

• 55:21Alex Cooper?

  So you just kind of like sit there and just take control?

• 55:24Speaker 01

  Yeah. And then like if a, if a man tried to speak, even if nobody else was speaking, I'd be like, I'm speaking.

• 55:31Alex Cooper?

  Shut up.

• 55:32Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:32Alex Cooper?

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. A man to go on reality TV, it's a lot.

• 55:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:36Alex Cooper?

  What is your housewife tagline? You have to have thought about this.

• 55:40Speaker 01

  Um, my name's Jennifer and I can't mind my own business.

• 55:43Alex Cooper?

  Love. Um, which Housewives fight was peak reality TV?

• 55:48Speaker 01

  Um, Salt Lake City with the receipts timeline.

• 55:52Alex Cooper?

  It was pretty good.

• 55:52Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 55:53Alex Cooper?

  I, I think also the flipping of the table by Teresa, like you can never, no? No.

• 55:58Speaker 01

  Because she, she gets really fired up. It's kind of like Tamara, like Tamara freaks out about everything. So like.

• 56:05Alex Cooper?

  That's fair. Um, okay. We're closing out. I want to ask a couple more things about your hair care line.

• 56:10Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 56:11Alex Cooper?

  What do you think product wise is your go to favorite right now?

• 56:17Speaker 01

  My go to favorite right now? That's really hard to say because the, the root spray, I cannot live without because it, it thickens my hair and it just, I might as well just not do anything if I'm not gonna have the root spray. But I've noticed that when I don't use the mask now, like before, even if it's like one minute before I show, if I don't use the mask now, it, it, my hair does not, I don't like, I don't love the way that it behaves.

• 56:50Alex Cooper?

  Okay. So we're going for root spray and mask?

• 56:52Speaker 01

  But the restyling serum, like I'm going to be able to keep this blowout.

• 56:56Alex Cooper?

  It's good.

• 56:56Speaker 01

  For five days because of the, of the restyling serum.

• 57:00Alex Cooper?

  Wow.

• 57:00Speaker 01

  So that I think is the one that I can't live without because that one I can hold on to blowouts for days.

• 57:06Alex Cooper?

  Oh, and that's nice. If you get a blowout from someone, then you just, you have them put that in.

• 57:09Speaker 01

  That's what I do. I, or, or I'll blow my hair out until it's like damp and then kind of let it go natural a little bit. And then I just use the serum to get the floofs out. So I guess the restyling.

• 57:19Alex Cooper?

  It looks really good.

• 57:20Speaker 01

  Thank you.

• 57:20Alex Cooper?

  Okay. So how do you feel? Do you feel like you got everything off your chest? Any rumors you want to clarify, any misconceptions, any tea?

• 57:31Speaker 01

  You know, the number one thing that I will read sometimes when I'm scrolling through comments and I see that people say this about other celebrities too, and it really drives me crazy is when people think that celebrities have called and staged paparazzi pictures.

• 57:49Alex Cooper?

  Let's talk about this.

• 57:50Speaker 01

  It is so infuriating because I'm like, what's more likely? What, let's just, let's play this out. What is more likely that I live in the same building every day of my life and they know where that is? Or before I leave the house, I'm like, hold on, I have mismatching socks and a messy bun. And I've, and I, I have to call this guy. I don't know how to drop a pin. Who would I call?

• 58:19Alex Cooper?

  You know what, Jen, and I'm going to help you out here.

• 58:21Speaker 01

  And it doesn't help my career.

• 58:23Alex Cooper?

  You're one of the people I don't think is calling the paparazzi on herself, but it's good to clarify today.

• 58:31Speaker 01

  You know what would help my career anonymity? Mystique.

• 58:35Alex Cooper?

  You're like, I need to be seen.

• 58:37Speaker 01

  If you couldn't see me unless I was in a movie, do you know how successful I would be?

• 58:41Alex Cooper?

  Oh, yeah, we gotta get you out of New York. I know. I've seen, I have seen a lot of paparazzi photos of you lately.

• 58:47Speaker 01

  I know. I live at [BLEEP]. Oh, whoops. Sorry. But yes.

• 58:53Alex Cooper?

  Bleep. You're like, you just told me you're in the [BLEEP]. I live in that building. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they know exactly where to hit you.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 59:02Alex Cooper?

  That's good to know. I like that clarification. Thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy. This was so fun. I feel like we went on many different adventures and I appreciate you really being in this, um, Arctic tundra with me.

• 59:15Speaker 01

  It's unbelievable how cold it is in here.

• 59:17Alex Cooper?

  But like the nipples were hard, the hair looked good. Like you're, you look great. I know you don't feel it, but thank you.

• 59:22Speaker 01

  I think I've burned like a thousand calories just trying to survive. So thank you.

• 59:26Alex Cooper?

  Thank you for coming on.

• 59:27Speaker 01

  Thank you for having me.

• 59:43Alex Cooper?

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