#393 - The REAL Reason Trump is Rushing to Disclose UFO Files | Dan Farah

Watch every episode ad-free & uncensored on Patreon: https://patreon.com/dannyjones With news of Trump releasing UFO Files, Dan Farah explains the secret effort to block disclosure, and what would happen if UFO files were released today. Dan's new film "The Age of Disclosure" is available now. SPONSORS https://shopify.com/dannyjones - Sign up for your one-dollar-per-month trial today. https://hexclad.com/dannyjones - Get 49% off during The Mother's Day Sale. https://cheershealth.com/danny - Get 20% off your entire order (limited time only). https://whiterabbitenergy.com/?ref=DJP - Use code DJP for 20% off. EPISODE LINKS Watch The Age of Disclosure: https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B0FMF29BBJ FOLLOW DANNY JONES https://www.instagram.com/dannyjones https://twitter.com/jonesdanny OUTLINE 00:00 - Living in the age of disclosure 04:53 - Cover-up of non-human intelligent life 08:12 - The intelligence officials who spoke out 16:42 - The secret cold war happening since the 1940s 22:28 - Private industry's role in UAP technology 24:49 - America is losing the "UAP race" 30:58 - Who turned down Dan's film 34:27 - We're dealing with multiple forms of alien life 36:51 - Navy sightings of underwater crafts 42:33 - The legacy UFO program 48:16 - Where secret UFO programs get their money 51:01 - The free energy source that powers UAPs 56:44 - What Hal Puthoff said about alien technology 59:48 - UFO tech on the battlefield 01:07:49 - Indisputable video evidence of UAPs 01:14:50 - UAP sightings at nuclear facilities 01:17:51 - How the military lures in UAPs 01:29:26 - Trusting sources 01:33:53 - James Clapper 01:40:47 - Why a new energy source hasn't been discovered 01:45:03 - UAPs spotted during WW2 01:45:50 - Tic Tac UFOs 01:56:57 - Anti-gravity research that went dark 01:59:27 - Child's UFO encounter triggered remote viewing 02:06:35 - UFO event at Rendlesham Forest 02:10:38 - Ariel School UFO encounter 02:17:07 - James Fox's alien documentaries 02:23:14 - Aliens are watching government officials 02:27:51 - What Dan was told about aliens 02:36:23 - Toughest decisions when making Age of Disclosure 02:38:16 - Working with Spielberg 02:42:13 - Producing "Ready Player One" 02:49:20 - Alien secrets hidden in Hollywood films 02:52:04 - Ocean UFO sighting deleted from the film 02:57:20 - What past presidents said about aliens Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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• 1:44Danny Jones?

  The CIA was working overtime to make sure you didn't make it down here today.

• 1:49Speaker 02

  That was a nightmare.

• 1:50Danny Jones?

  Just your mic so it's facing you.

• 1:53Speaker 02

  Three flights canceled.

• 1:54Danny Jones?

  Three flights canceled. You ended up jumping on the PJ coming down here.

• 1:59Speaker 02

  Friend came through with PJ and.

• 2:00Danny Jones?

  Well, we made it happen, dude, and I'm glad we did. And it's nice to finally meet you.

• 2:04Speaker 02

  Thank you. You too, man.

• 2:05Danny Jones?

  We're in the age of disclosure, huh?

• 2:07Speaker 02

  We are. We are. It's a it's a wild time to be alive, you know? That is, uh, that's why I went with that title. Um, you know, disclosure is not going to be a singular moment. It's going to be this process that unfolds over many years. And, um, you know, when we look back 50 years from now, it'll be this little pocket of time. That's the the age of disclosure, the age where all this stuff comes out. And, uh, the truth comes out in in in steps.

• 2:38Danny Jones?

  How did this whole documentary start out for you?

• 2:42Speaker 02

  So it's a kind of a long origin story, I would say. So, you know, I'm 46 and my childhood's the 80s and early 90s. And grew up with movies like Close Encounters and E.T. Close Encounters made the biggest impact on me. I was I was obsessed with that movie.

• 3:00Speaker 02

  X-Files was running on TV when I was a kid and movies like Fire in the Sky. You know, we're making, we're getting a lot of attention. And I remember, uh, my cousins and I watching watching Fire in the Sky, uh, late at night scared the crap out of us, but also made us super curious about this topic. And so my my whole life, uh, just been interested in the topic. Um, these big questions like, are we alone in the universe? Does the US government know more about this topic than the average person? That's kind of the common thesis and all that Pop Gold trigger up with, right? Close Encounters, E.T., X-Files. The one common idea is that, well, two common ideas are, yes, there's life from elsewhere.

• 3:41Speaker 02

  But elements of the US government have been covering it up. Um, so I've always wondered if that was true, you know, and watched every movie and TV show, read every book over the years. And, um, I always wished that someone would make a really credible, serious, non-sensational documentary about this topic. And only and like basically set the bar at only interviewing people who have direct knowledge of it as a result of working for the government. If if if elements of the government do in fact know more than the public, the idea would be to find that out, right? And no one ever made that film. Um, my career ended up going into mainstream producing.

• 4:20Speaker 02

  I had a lot of, uh, was very fortunate over the last 20 years building movies and TV shows as a producer from the ground up, like big commercial stuff. The biggest that people know would be Ready Player One. Yeah. Which Spielberg directed. And then, uh, it was, uh, yeah, it was on the set of Ready Player One, watching Steven Spielberg direct, in my opinion, is the greatest filmmaker that's ever lived. And watching him direct was just unbelievably inspiring. And I started, I started thinking then in the back of my mind, like I'd, I'd like to direct something after years of producing. Mm hmm. I've got my wheels spinning on what that might be. And I was, uh, was actually doing research for a scripted project, um, a couple of years after Ready Player One came out.

• 5:05Speaker 02

  And, uh, in doing research, I was trying to, I was trying to learn how, how real the situation around this topic was. And so I got connected to some senior intelligence officials, um, that, that had worked on this topic for the US government and, um, started having just private, private conversations, meals with those guys, trying to understand the lay of the land. And I quickly realized, uh, how real the situation actually is. And, and these ideas that were put in our heads when we were kids with movies like Close Encounters and ET weren't far, far off from the truth. There, there, there has in fact been a massive cover up of non-human intelligent life. And the government does take it very

• 5:46Speaker 02

  serious and does know a lot more than the public does. So in those, those conversations, um, that originally were research for, for a scripted project, like I said, um, uh, I started to realize that, um, these people that I form relationships would be, that I form relationships with would be great, uh, interview subjects for that documentary that I always wish existed. And then I kind of shifted my focus to no longer doing research for a scripted project. And I was like, okay, I'm, I'm going to make the definitive documentary on this topic that I always wish existed. And this will be that thing that I direct to. And so, um, that's sort of like the, the origin. And then, um,

• 6:30Speaker 02

  From there, I started socializing with these intelligence officials I had met and their colleagues that I wanted to, I wanted to make a film that would bring the truth out about what is known that can legally be shared. All these people are privy to classified information, but you know, there's a lot they, they, they can share. They've just been historically discouraged from doing so. Right. And I wanted to make the doc that gave them a platform to, to share what they lawfully could and really kind of open the public's eyes to what's really been going on. And as I started to, as I started to socialize that, it started to catch momentum. You know, one, I would, I would have like a, you know, private, private meal with someone, one intelligence

• 7:13Speaker 02

  official, explain what I wanted to do. They would think about it. They would come back and say, you know what, I, I think I'd be interested in participating, but let's see who else you can get before I say I will. And then they'd introduce me to a couple of their friends and sort of sent me down a rabbit hole. Eventually I started getting passed up to senior members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, the staff, the members, same thing with the Senate Armed Services Committee. And what I didn't know then, that I know now, is in that same moment, senior leadership on the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee had on their own, in a classified setting, uncovered this mass, this massive cover up. They had, they had learned about it and they knew it

• 7:56Speaker 02

  was real. They knew that non-human intelligent life had been covered up for 80 years. They knew that there were elements of our government actively gatekeeping this information and keeping it from the public. They knew it was being kept from Congress, the White House, and the public. And they were trying to figure out a way to get the base facts out into the public. None of those politicians as elected leaders wanted to be the one guy out on a limb, going on Fox News or CNN, saying these extraordinary things and being subject to the pushback. They didn't really have a way to tell the world this complicated situation, right? And so I was sort of in the right place at the right time in that while they

• 8:40Speaker 02

  were having that thought process, I was socializing that I wanted to make a documentary that would essentially do that, right? And so something really wild happened, which is basically, there was this moment in time where while I was putting together the documentary,

• 8:57Speaker 02

  My film essentially became the plan for disclosure for those who had the knowledge. So this this group of military, government, and intelligence officials that had learned the truth about the cover up decided my film would be the vehicle for disclosing that information. And I spent about three and a half years putting this together, both learning the lay of the land myself and and really understanding what's real and what's not real. And, you know, as they say, the saying, you know, who's who in the zoo, you know, like all the all the different players in all this.

• 9:41Speaker 02

  And and then making it, doing interviews over the course of three years. Yeah.

• 9:49Danny Jones?

  In the beginning, when you said you were meeting with some intelligence officials that were sort of like guiding you in the right direction and telling you like if you can get more people to speak out, you know, we'll do it too publicly. How many of them, those original intelligence people you were talking about, were in the movie?

• 10:09Speaker 02

  A number of them, most of them.

• 10:11Danny Jones?

  Most of them?

• 10:12Speaker 02

  Most of them.

• 10:13Danny Jones?

  Like who?

• 10:14Speaker 02

  So, for example, Jay Stratton.

• 10:15Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 10:16Speaker 02

  You know, Jay was...

• 10:17Danny Jones?

  Was he one of the first people you talked to?

• 10:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So Jay was in the process of retiring from government when I met him. At the at the time, he was the director of the US government's UAP task force, the largest toll of government investigation of UAP and non-human intelligent life.

• 10:38Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 10:39Speaker 02

  His story is pretty amazing. He's really the central figure in the modern investigation of UAP and non-human intelligent life and frankly, in disclosure. He he and an intelligence official named Dr. James Lekatsky, goes by Jim, they co-founded OSAP, the investigation of UAP, that eventually became known as ATIP. There was this moment in time where OSAP essentially lost its funding and they they carried on as a bootstrapped working group that went by ATIP.

• 11:18Speaker 02

  After that, he was tasked by leadership in naval intelligence and at the DOD to put together the largest whole of government investigation that's ever existed, and that's the UAP Task Force. And he spent a couple of years building it, handpicking key members. Some of your listeners have heard some of those names, like David Cross, who testified to Congress. He was a member of the UAP Task Force.

• 11:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that was a big deal when he came out.

• 11:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. So he was one of the people on Jay's team.

• 11:52Danny Jones?

  Was he in the film?

• 11:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was in the film, wasn't he? There's some footage of him in the film, yeah.

• 11:57Danny Jones?

  But no, he didn't do any interviews?

• 11:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, we didn't do a direct interview, but I had, I already knew I had him in the film through his congressional hearings where he was saying the most important stuff. And I liked having the hearing footage in there. I think it makes people, so a lot of people who watched the movie-

• 12:15Danny Jones?

  Some of the stuff that he was saying in front of Congress was nutty.

• 12:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. And there's a lot of people who watched the movie and they say to me, they're like, "I had no idea those hearings even happened."

• 12:24Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 12:24Speaker 02

  You know, people are just so busy. Everyone's got their nine to five and putting food on the table for the kids and all those other priorities. And maybe they see it in their social media feed, "Oh, there was this hearing and UFOs," but it doesn't really register for everybody, so.

• 12:37Danny Jones?

  So Jay was there from the jump, and he was sort of leading you around, kind of like holding your hand, showing you the lay of the land, where to go, what tree, what branches to shake.

• 12:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, him and some other people in the film. There was about, there was about four or five guys who were really guiding me in the early days. And then, and then once I got connected with the Senate Intelligence Committee specifically, I formed a really strong relationship with the guys who run the Senate Intelligence Committee staff. So most people don't know this, actually. This is really interesting.

• 13:18Speaker 02

  The Senate Intelligence Committee, the members, the senators on the committee, they can kind of come and go, right? Like, they, you know, they get assigned to a committee and depending on who's, you know, running the Senate at the time, you know, it impacts it. They might, a senator might spend, you know, a year on it, two years on it, three years on it. But the staffers, they can be there for many years.

• 13:43Danny Jones?

  Right, three layers down, their career long.

• 13:46Speaker 02

  Yeah, they can, you know, a guy can be working for the, be a senior staff member for a decade. And the way they handle the staff work is they break up topics. So like, one guy will know everything about UAP. One guy will know everything about nuclear technology. One guy will know everything about, you know, environmental issues.

• 14:06Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 14:06Speaker 02

  You name it. And so, I got introduced early on to the Senate intel staff member who really owned the UAP topic for the two chairmen, which were Rubio and Warner. Warner was the, was the chairman and Rubio was the vice chairman of the Senate Intel Committee. And the staffer's job was to basically just shake all the trees every day and all the different intelligence agencies in the military and learn everything and be hyper aware of everything. And he was a central figure in Rubio and Warner figuring out what was going on and uncovering this, this truth and learning all the reality of it.

• 14:50Speaker 02

  So I formed, I formed a career relationship with the, that senior staffer and his colleagues. And they were really, really helpful. Once, once Rubio decided to participate in the film and other senior senators like Senator Rounds from South Dakota, Senator Gillibrand from New York, from the Democratic Party. Once they leaned in, then the committee staff was essentially told to help make sure that this doc is the definitive doc and is legit from start to finish and that I don't end up interviewing the wrong person who shares bullshit, you know, that I don't end

• 15:32Speaker 02

  up misunderstanding the lay of the land and presenting it, you know, different than than it is. And so they really helped keep me, keep me on the right path. They, I, I shared with them people I was considering interviewing. Sometimes they would say, hey, you should, you know, stay clear of that person. Sometimes they would guide me to people. They introduced me to a number of the people who did interviews in the film.

• 15:57Danny Jones?

  I feel like that would make me so skeptical, though. You know, if I'm having politicians and intelligence people telling me who to talk to and who not to talk to, I'm automatically, the wheels in my head are going, whoa.

• 16:08Speaker 02

  Well, it wasn't telling me. It was more.

• 16:10Danny Jones?

  Or even like subtly suggesting.

• 16:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. Well, a number of the very, like, indisputably legitimate people in my film were introduced to me by the Senate Intel Committee. I mean, there's certain, you know, think about it, like, the people in my film are all, they have the most credible resumes.

• 16:30Danny Jones?

  Sure, yeah.

• 16:31Speaker 02

  Like, they're unimpeachably credible people. And they, they have all, they all have direct knowledge of this topic as a result of work for the government. They all have been discouraged from moment one of learning about this, not to talk about it publicly, you know? It, it makes sense that, like, it would help encourage them to do it if, you know, they're hearing from folks on the Senate Intelligence Committee that, hey, you know, people like Rubio and Gillibrand and Rounds have decided this is the best way for the truth to come out, and we, we encourage you to participate in this, you know? So, yeah.

• 17:07Danny Jones?

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• 18:32Danny Jones?

  Just the, the whole industry that is there underneath the surface, whose entire purpose is to throw people off the scent of what's really going on. Like the fact that this guy was living in New Mexico or Nevada, seeing these objects flying around and getting obsessed with them. The fact that they had like a whole group of people from the NSA and from the air force, whose job was to convince this guy that he was seeing aliens from another world. When in reality, it was just their own technology that they were testing. Drove the guy crazy, put installed NSA next door to him to beam shit into his house because he was using radios and shit to detect stuff. He was going, he was going nuts. And they were like beaming stuff into his house, saying that they were a civilization from another planet.

• 19:17Danny Jones?

  They had run out of water and they were coming here. And they knew that this guy was a big deal in MUFON. And they knew MUFON, this was in like the 60s, I think, 70s, maybe. They knew that MUFON had been penetrated by the Soviets. Because the Soviets were trying to get more in information and intelligence on what we, what we had going on in our air force bases and our war weapon technology, all that kind of stuff during the Cold War. So. They're like, oh, this is a great opportunity to just convince this guy it's aliens. He's gonna go tell everyone to move on and that's gonna get, that's gonna poison the well. He's gonna be a conduit of disinfo for the Soviet spies who are trying to get information on us. The guy ended up going to a mental institution and dying and like, I was like, after that, I was like, whoa, okay.

• 20:01Danny Jones?

  This is a fucking Hall of Mirage.

• 20:03Speaker 02

  That's a real situation, for sure. But you gotta also remember, you know, I learned about all that as well and I inversionally had the same reaction as you, but then, you know, you gotta realize the role that that storyline plays in a bigger picture, right? Why is it that elements of the Intelligence Committee, not the Intelligence Committee, but the Intelligence Community would make up a story like that to try to have it end up, as you said, received by the Russians as real, right? Because the answer is because there is in fact a high-stake, secret Cold War race playing out and there has been since the 40s regarding non-human technology. And anywhere you can throw off your adversary, it's strategic to do so.

• 20:48Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 20:48Speaker 02

  So just because that situation is real doesn't mean the bigger picture isn't, you know? There's actually, I've been told from my most senior relationships inside of military government and the Intelligence Committee, that a couple, and I'm not gonna say who, but a couple of the more, the whistle quote unquote, they're not whistleblowers, a couple of the people who have come out in a big way in the public to talk about this topic and reveal something they learned, something specific they experienced or saw, have this, it's the same backstory, you know? They did, they did experience that, but it was staged for them because at the time, there was a, there was a, in those, in those situations, there was either a Russian or

• 21:31Speaker 02

  a Chinese unit of spies that, that, that were being fed information through this, this public spectacle, like, like the Paul thing. So, look, I think the reality of it is, everyone I interviewed, despite their political and ideological differences, all told me the same thing. They all made it super clear that.

• 21:58Speaker 02

  The existence of non-human intelligent life has been getting covered up since, since the 40s. There are these elements within the US government, within various agencies, within the Air Force and the DOE and some private contractors who have been gatekeeping this and covering it up for years and keeping it from the public. And, you know, the movie, I'm proud to say, has made a big impact in that it opened a lot of people's eyes inside a government who didn't necessarily realize all this. And then the people who had already realized it are, are, are, are taking that new interest and really accelerating, accelerating disclosure. It led to, it led to like, four weeks ago, Trump gave a presidential directive to declassify

• 22:42Speaker 02

  evidence of non-human intelligent life and UAP. And I'm sure he saw that, you know? And in the, in the weeks since, his, two of his cabinet members, Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of War, and Tulsi Gabbard, the Director of National Intelligence, have been basically going, going through the process of, of trying to identify what evidence exists that can safely be declassified and shared with the American public without becoming a threat to national security. And what I've been told through my relationships is that they are receiving a lot of pushback from the folks who have gatekept this, despite the fact that there's a presidential directive. They're still getting blocked from getting to this very real evidence that exists.

• 23:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah. The idea is that, correct me if I'm wrong, but what I got from the documentary was in the 40s, after Roswell, all this stuff got sucked up into private contractors and it's been, been controlled by private contractors. And people have rotated in and out of top level positions over the decades. And now, the new people that come in don't even get briefed on this stuff. And essentially, all of that, whatever you want to call it, black budget stuff or recovered craft, is being controlled by the private sector and even like, top-tier generals can't even get access to it in the government. So the government, there's like the secret war between the US government and private industry trying to wrestle control of this stuff, whatever it is.

• 24:05Speaker 02

  So private industry certainly has. A lot of control over the situation right now, but there's still elements of, for example, the CIA and the Air Force and the Department of Energy, like career bureaucrats within those organizations that are very much involved with the defense contractors. But in my film Rubio breaks down how when you give technology to a private company, like a defense contractor, to understand it, which is the only option the government has, the government doesn't have a room full of engineers and, you know.

• 24:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah, plus they want to hide behind FOIA.

• 24:46Speaker 02

  They want to hide behind FOIA, but more importantly, if you recover a piece of exotic technology and you want to try to reverse engineer it or fully understand it, there's just not a room full of those engineers sitting in an office at, you know, the DOD. And so, you know, he explained how, you know, you give that technology to a defense contractor and then, and then, as you said, over the years, they keep working at it, they stay constant, the government overseer, you know, retires or dies or, you know, changes and then the next guy knows a little bit about the program, but doesn't know everything. And then the guy after that doesn't even know the program exists, but the defense contractor is still chugging along. And so you get to this point where the defense contractors

• 25:29Speaker 02

  hold a lot of the cards. And at the same time though, there are still these career bureaucrats that, you know, are there throughout multiple administrations within the CIA, the Air Force and the Department of Energy that are very much involved in this. And so everyone in my film that talked about this, this, this hidden program, referred to as the legacy program, they, they, they all say that it has just been, it was immediately removed from congressional oversight when it started in the 40s. And so the tug of war really is elected officials and their appointed officials, like the Secretary of War and Director of

• 26:10Speaker 02

  National Intelligence, trying to wrestle this information out of these career bureaucrats and the defense contractors.

• 26:19Speaker 02

  And it's a complicated situation as the film shows. It's not a black and white situation.

• 26:23Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 26:23Speaker 02

  It's not like.

• 26:23Danny Jones?

  And the craziest part about all that is the United States is probably the only country that that's happening in. Because all the other countries, the government just controls everything. There are no private contractors.

• 26:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. Which also, you know, leads to one of the other really important takeaways for me from my interviews and in the film, which is, you know, Rubio also expresses this really clearly, which is the concern that if we don't take this more seriously as a nation and make the, make it known that this is a valid area of inquiry, that it's a real situation, right? And cause our scientific community and academia to want to take it serious, then we are likely going to lose this race to our adversaries. Because our adversaries don't need the public to decide it's important. They can just tell them it's important. Like, she can just take the smartest scientist in China and say, "You're going to work on this."

• 27:16Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 27:16Speaker 02

  You know?

• 27:17Danny Jones?

  They don't, yeah.

• 27:17Speaker 02

  Putin can do the same thing. And so it's hard to, simply put, it's hard to win a technology race if most of your scientists don't even know it's real, you know? And so, you know, the analogy I often heard was the space race analogy. Would we have won the space race if Kennedy didn't step to the microphone and give that big, famous speech at Rice University and say, "We're going to get to the moon. Here's why it's important. Here's why it's important we win this race." He articulated it in a way that, in the same kind of way you would articulate the importance of this topic. He said, "Space technology, like nuclear technology, has no conscience of its own. It's up to mankind whether it's used for good or bad." And that's why it was important that the, he felt it was important that the US lead in this new frontier.

• 28:00Speaker 02

  So we can make sure that it's used for the betterment of all mankind and not to create another sea of war. That was his whole, like, thesis, right?

• 28:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 28:09Speaker 02

  And then the country rallied behind him and scientific community rallied behind him. And then, you know, we won the space race. So a number of the people I interviewed made the point of, you know, their opinion is that we need that sort of like level set with the American public and that sort of like, you know, mission made a national priority on this front so that we win this technology race.

• 28:32Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm. Do you think there's any sort of like super high level, top, top tier backstop?

• 28:39Danny Jones?

  Agreement between all of these nation states like the United States, China and Russia about disclosure. Like, do you think there's any like, super deep back channel, like, look, there's gotta be some coordination here?

• 28:50Speaker 02

  I think, so multiple people I interviewed, um, told me, this isn't something we got into in the film, but, um, multiple people told me that in the past, there was information sharing between China and the US, excuse me, sorry, Russia and the US, not China, Russia and the US.

• 29:07Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 29:08Speaker 02

  And that that apparently broke down about 15 years ago. And so I don't, I, no one's ever told me that currently there is still active communication and strategizing, but many people told me about, um, information sharing, um, back in the day between the US and Russia. And, and they, they always, they always give the same examples. They, they basically said, uh, there was, there was so much UAP activity near nuclear weapons sites, that it was, it was clear to both leaders of both nations that they needed to make the other aware so that no one misinterpreted a UAP.

• 29:44Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 29:44Speaker 02

  As an attack.

• 29:46Danny Jones?

  Right. And they were happening all over the place, not just in the US, they're happening in Russia.

• 29:50Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:50Danny Jones?

  UK.

• 29:52Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 29:52Danny Jones?

  All over the place.

• 29:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. What do you think? Have you, has anyone ever, anyone, uh, that you think is credible ever told you that, that there is an active?

• 30:01Danny Jones?

  No, no one's ever told me that. But I think about it all the time, you know, I, I sometimes wonder, you know, is there like some deep level of like, you know, the bankers that run the world or whatever, that are, that know about this stuff, the people that are above the presidents, you know?

• 30:17Speaker 02

  Well, look, President Trump, just, didn't he just announce recently that he's, he's gonna meet with Xi four times over the next 12 months, something that's never happened? You know, um, maybe, maybe it's a coincidence that that, that those meetings are happening while disclosure is unfolding, following his presidential directive?

• 30:34Danny Jones?

  That's interesting.

• 30:36Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 30:37Danny Jones?

  You know, I just, I'm skeptical that Trump has any power to do that. I'm skeptical that the president, any politicians in the United States have that kind of power.

• 30:46Speaker 02

  I think there's a, I think there's a change happening here. I think the current administration is really actively trying to get their hands on the reins of the situation.

• 31:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 31:01Speaker 02

  Whereas every other administration has been, kept so much out of the loop that they, they didn't even have a shot at grabbing the reins.

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• 32:35Danny Jones?

  Were there any people that you tried to get on the, on your movie that were hesitant because of fear of any sort of backlash or anything?

• 32:45Speaker 02

  Yeah, there were a number of people. There were, there were, there were a handful of officials who.

• 32:57Speaker 02

  Because of their their their roles at the time couldn't couldn't participate, couldn't go on camera.

• 33:04Danny Jones?

  Because of their roles at the time.

• 33:05Speaker 02

  Because they they because they were either, you know, senior in the military or in the government and and just couldn't couldn't do it, intelligence officials.

• 33:15Speaker 02

  And then there were a couple people, that was a few people actually, who ultimately decided that it would be too dangerous for them to speak up about what they know.

• 33:26Speaker 02

  The one that always stays in my head is is a someone who's part of the special forces community who was who was gonna do an interview and talk about what he had learned and and then ultimately he used very specific words that have stayed in my head. He ultimately told me that after long conversations with his wife, they both determined he would be forfeiting his life if he participated in the film. And I always thought the use of the word forfeiting was very specific and yeah, terrifying.

• 33:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 33:59Speaker 02

  You know, you you don't ever want to hear.

• 34:02Danny Jones?

  Especially coming from a special forces guy.

• 34:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, and and it almost the vibe I got when I first heard that was it was it was the kind of word choice that like made you think like someone else had said that to him, you know, like someone said you before for your life and then he's just using those words because it's such an unusual word choice, you know. But, you know, put yourself in my shoes, man, like I had, I immediately was like, well, of course, I definitely do not want you or me in any situation remotely like that, you know, so, you know, of course, let's let's, you know, let's not do an interview and you know, I always made a point also of telling everyone I talked to. This is the truth, I would say, hey, I don't want to know anything I shouldn't know, you know, don't tell me

• 34:46Speaker 02

  don't cross any lines, don't tell me anything that's classified, don't tell me anything I as a, you know, just a member of the public shouldn't shouldn't know, you know.

• 34:54Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 34:55Speaker 02

  Don't want to be in some crazy dangerous situation. You know, there's, there's a lot of information that people have on this topic from their work for the US government that they can lawfully talk about. And that's, that's, that's where I wanted to live and I wanted this movie to, to live, you know? And that stuff's fascinating enough.

• 35:16Speaker 02

  It also does beg the question though of like, what's on the other side of that line? Because what, what's revealed in my film is shocking, you know? People, senior intelligence officials talking about recoveries of crafts of non-human origin and bodies of not, you know, non-human bodies being in these crashes and talking about the extent of the cover-up. It's also mind-blowing. It just makes you, it's impossible not to get your wheels spinning on what's, what's on the other side of that line, you know? Like if, if this is what they can lawfully share, what's the stuff they can't lawfully share yet, you know?

• 35:46Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 35:47Speaker 02

  Like, that's, that's pretty wild when you go down that rabbit hole, thinking of what the possibilities are, you know?

• 35:52Danny Jones?

  So after everything, what is your high, high level 30,000-foot view of what this phenomenon actually is?

• 36:00Speaker 02

  Oof. Look, I think, I think it's been made pretty clear to me that we're not dealing with one non-human intelligent life, that we're dealing with multiple, multiple forms of intelligent life from multiple origins. And, you know, essentially, the universe is full of life. And-

• 36:22Danny Jones?

  So extraterrestrials?

• 36:23Speaker 02

  I think, I think, I think all things are on the table. I think it could be extraterrestrials. And I think this concept of interdimensional beings, as fantastical as that sounds, could be one of the other possibilities of origin. There's also the possibility of there being other intelligent life that's been here all along and that Earth has been the home to, from, you know, home for, to the beginning, since the-

• 36:50Danny Jones?

  Future humans? Human time travelers?

• 36:53Speaker 02

  I, I guess, I guess it's, it'd be foolish at this point to take anything off the table, you know?

• 36:59Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 36:59Speaker 02

  But, um, you know?

• 37:02Danny Jones?

  One of the most interesting things to me about the, the grays that you see in Close Encounters and in all the media lore, is that they're, they're bipedal, upright, walking hominids with two eyes, two legs, two arms, fingers, toes, and-

• 37:22Danny Jones?

  That's us. Like, if life were to evolve on any other Goldilocks planet, with different atmosphere, different gravity, different chemical makeup, maybe a whole entire water world with no land, what are the chances it's going to evolve to be so similar to us? I mean, I'm not smart enough to know the answer, but I'm sure it's not. I mean, I've talked to anthropologists who look at this stuff and they say it's very, very low probability.

• 37:46Speaker 02

  It's fascinating.

• 37:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And then you have, you know, people like, um, who was it? Timber Chet that said there was underwater bases? Just he's casually walking down the street. They're underwater bases. They're down there.

• 37:58Speaker 02

  No, Tim, look, Tim's a great guy. And, um,

• 38:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he's great.

• 38:02Speaker 02

  He's really, uh, he's really on top of this issue. The, him and some of his colleagues in, on the House side of Congress that are really on top of this. It's like, it's him, Anna Luna from Florida, Burleson from Missouri, Moskowitz from Florida, Carson from Indianapolis. Um, that's, that's like a short list of people that are really on top of it and trying to share what they can. Tim, you know, Tim, I saw that, that too. And I've talked to him about it.

• 38:32Danny Jones?

  How does he know that?

• 38:33Speaker 02

  Multiple leaders, um, in the Navy, in the US Navy, you know, ranging from admirals to, um, naval intelligence officials have told Congress about craft moving at impossible speeds under the water past our submarines. And, um, so much so that they,

• 38:54Danny Jones?

  Tim Gallaudet?

• 38:55Speaker 02

  Tim's one of those people, yeah. Um, so much so that they, they're, they're making the logical conclusion that there, that there's bases. And, um, it's crazy. It's crazy, man. You know, um, apparently, you know, I'm no naval expert. So if there's people listening who, you know, know I'm off on this, that's fine. But apparently, our submarines can only go like 40 or 50 miles an hour. And these things are going hundreds of miles.

• 39:25Danny Jones?

  Right. Um, there was one that was, that was tracked in Aguadilla, right? In Puerto Rico, that they said was going like 500 miles per hour under the ocean or something insane.

• 39:36Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 39:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 39:38Speaker 02

  It's absolutely crazy. I mean, look, the reason why Jay Stratten was the one who changed.

• 39:45Speaker 02

  Using, you know, he's the reason we no longer use the word UFO, right? Because

• 39:50Danny Jones?

  That son of a bitch. I got a bone to pick with him about that.

• 39:53Speaker 02

  No, I think he was right, though, because UFO stands for unidentified flying object.

• 39:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 39:57Speaker 02

  And he knew early on that a lot of this activity is happening in our oceans and in space, where you're not flying, right?

• 40:05Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 40:05Speaker 02

  And so unidentified anomalous phenomena became the, the, the catchall.

• 40:12Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 40:12Speaker 02

  For UAP activity.

• 40:13Danny Jones?

  I still like UFO better, though.

• 40:14Speaker 02

  UFO's catchy, but here's the other reason they did it is UFO has this, this cultural stigma. It makes people giggle and not take it serious.

• 40:22Danny Jones?

  Right, right.

• 40:22Speaker 02

  And, and, and, and sort of changing the optics helped, helped the conversation.

• 40:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah, UAP is like the suit and tie version of it.

• 40:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, the suit and tie version, yeah. That's another wild thing that came out of my interviews. A number of the officials, including a senior CIA official, Jim Semivan, talked about how the program that, that has gate kept this, the legacy program, that has gate kept this since the 40s, they created the stigma around this topic in the late 40s, early 50s, as like a security wrapper, as a security system. Like, pretty smart idea, like, you don't want people looking into something, put, put it into society, put this idea into society that you're a wacky person, if you look into it, you're nuts, you'll have your reputation ruined.

• 41:05Danny Jones?

  Like a couple of movies about it.

• 41:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, fund some movies, making it look silly and no one will take it serious. No one will want to look into it, no real journalists will want to go look into it. If the media is not paying attention to it, then the public's not paying attention. It's kind of, it's kind of genius, but, but the problem is it got compounded over the years by, you know, multiple generations. And then it got to the point where, you know, the average person just thought it was a, you know, it's like talking about Bigfoot, you know? It's ridiculous and.

• 41:35Speaker 02

  And the average scientist didn't think it was real. And so the stigma is a couple of the officials in my film talk about how this stigma that was created originally with a national security intention of, you know, keeping it secret. While while they figured out what was going on, it's grown into this new national security threat where, you know, we could be falling behind in this technology race because our scientific community doesn't even know it's real as a result of the stigma. So a big, a big mission for people in my film, when I talk to them, you know, off camera, about why, why, what was driving them to want to participate in the film. One of the big reasons was to put an end to this antiquated bullshit stigma around this topic and to make sure people just simply understand that it's a real situation, that

• 42:19Speaker 02

  it's a valid area of inquiry. And, um, yeah, the stigma, you know, and the stigma led to, you know, Jay Stratton talks in the film about how, uh, when you try to raise, you know, this issue up the flagpole within the government.

• 42:32Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 42:33Speaker 02

  Um, he was constantly faced with the stigma. And then the people who've been covering this up have, have weaponized the stigma, you know, if, uh, for so many stories of high level Navy fighter pilots who see something in the air that's indisputably not from here. And before they can make an official report, somebody from the legacy program approaches them, you know, basically like makes jokes, makes them uncomfortable, says things like, hey, where are we going to send the tinfoil hats, you know, like how, you know, what's going to be your nickname now, that kind of stuff, you know, like where, where, where you could really quickly see how a senior fighter pilot would just be like, you know what, I'm just not going to report this, I don't need this bullshit, you know? And so they weaponize it.

• 43:16Danny Jones?

  Dude, there's a crazy, a great, um, story in Annie Jacobson's book, Area 51, where she explains how, uh, when the CIA first started test flying their first jet propelled airplanes, and I forget what year it was, super early.

• 43:34Danny Jones?

  Uh, they would send the CIA test pilots up with gorilla masks in the cockpits. So in the case they got into visual distance with a commercial aircraft, they'd wear their gorilla mask.

• 43:44Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 43:44Danny Jones?

  So if someone, they tried to go to the bar later and be like, yo, I saw this airplane powered by jets.

• 43:49Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 43:50Danny Jones?

  Oh yeah. Who was flying it? A gorilla.

• 43:53Danny Jones?

  Like fucking throwing a curve ball into the story.

• 43:55Speaker 02

  That's crazy.

• 43:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah, dude.

• 43:57Speaker 02

  That's wild.

• 43:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah. So imagine, man, imagine if that was, that was probably what the forties they were doing, doing that? Sixties. Imagine what they're fucking doing now, bro.

• 44:06Speaker 02

  Dude, that's crazy. That is crazy. That is wild.

• 44:10Danny Jones?

  So this legacy program. Is this a monolithic program or is there factions of this?

• 44:18Speaker 02

  I think.

• 44:21Speaker 02

  Well. How do you, those two choices you, you just laid out, how do you, how do you define those differently?

• 44:27Danny Jones?

  So you talk, in the movie, you hear about the legacy program, you hear other people talk about the legacy program on the internet. It, it sounds like this big model, how people talk about the CIA.

• 44:36Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah.

• 44:36Danny Jones?

  How the CIA is this big monolith.

• 44:38Speaker 02

  So it's not that in that, um, I learned pretty quickly, you know, leadership of the CIA doesn't necessarily know about this. You know, the director of the CIA is a political appointee. They're there for, they could be there for four years, you know, eight years, whatever.

• 44:50Danny Jones?

  And the CIA has thousands and thousands of employees.

• 44:52Speaker 02

  And so someone reveals in my film that it's the head of science and technology at the CIA that controls this topic. It's one person who could be there for a long time. And there's, there's career bureaucrats at, uh, within the air force. And within the department of energy, uh, that

• 45:11Speaker 02

  really run

• 45:14Speaker 02

  the legacy programs interest in this. That's my understanding of the situation from all my interviews. It's not.

• 45:21Danny Jones?

  But my, my, what I'm saying is like, is the legacy program one big program in one, inside of one umbrella? Underneath one company or is it multiple companies?

• 45:34Speaker 02

  So it's all kinds of things. Multiple companies all working together is the best way.

• 45:36Danny Jones?

  All working together?

• 45:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 45:38Danny Jones?

  Not competing?

• 45:39Speaker 02

  No. So from, from, you know, what I, what, what the big takeaway was from all my interviews is that the CIA acts as the quarterback of all this. The CIA acts as the. Operational command. So sits at the top of the the org chart. And then the air force is used for operations. So they have the airplanes and they have the warehouses, the hangars. They can they can do the retrievals, right? And then the defense contractors are used for reverse engineering. They are only given, you know, certain technology and tasked with certain, you know, reverse engineering work.

• 46:24Speaker 02

  And then the Department of Energy is apparently a key player in the situation because they have the best experts on technology that gives off great amounts of energy and anything related to

• 46:40Danny Jones?

  Creation.

• 46:41Speaker 02

  Yeah. And and they, you know, own own the space of anything related to nuclear technology. And a lot of the UAP activity is at sites involved in the nuclear process, ranging from nuclear weapon sites to uranium mines to, you know, processing centers. So they they also have a classification system that allows to keep all of this extremely secret. They get to, you know, use the classification system that was designed for anything nuclear.

• 47:17Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 47:17Speaker 02

  So the classification system that they go by is like outside of the intelligence community's classification system. It's even more more secret.

• 47:26Danny Jones?

  Did you talk to anybody that worked for any of these private industry companies? Any of these private military industrial complex companies?

• 47:34Speaker 02

  None of no one from any of the defense contractors would would would participate.

• 47:40Danny Jones?

  Did you talk? Sorry.

• 47:41Speaker 02

  I did. I talked to a couple of people that used to work for some of the key players on the defense contracting side. They would not go on camera, but they helped inform me of the the lay of the land. Give me give me insight.

• 47:57Speaker 02

  People who are, I mean, those those meetings were interesting. They'd be in person and be told to leave my cellphone at home and, you know.

• 48:05Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 48:06Speaker 02

  No way.

• 48:06Danny Jones?

  With the defense contractors?

• 48:08Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. No way of

• 48:14Speaker 02

  Cell phones can be tracked.

• 48:15Danny Jones?

  Did you talk to any of the CIA science and technology folks?

• 48:20Speaker 02

  No.

• 48:21Danny Jones?

  Did you try to?

• 48:23Speaker 02

  I didn't because a number of the people in my film made it clear to me that those folks, slammed the door on even them when they were inside a government. You know, so, you know, Jay Stratten, when he was running the UAP task force, he figured out who the key gatekeeper was at the CIA. And he went to go to talk to him, literally knocked on his door and wanted to see if he could get some answers to some of his big questions. And, you know, he knew that this person had 80 years of knowledge, you know?

• 49:06Speaker 02

  And essentially just legitimately, like literally had the door slammed in his face.

• 49:11Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 49:12Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:13Danny Jones?

  And another crazy thing is, a lot of these people at CIA who are in charge of science and technology or other levels of CIA spookiness, they all end up in the private sector. Like, one of the most recent directors of science and technology for like seven or 10 years now works at the MITRE Corporation. So there's this revolving door with the CIA and these giant private contractors.

• 49:37Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:39Danny Jones?

  Yeah. And they know, the contractors know that these people have top secret access to shit and they're gonna bring all that with them, which is why they can get these insanely high salaries when they move there.

• 49:47Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 49:49Speaker 02

  It's a...

• 49:50Danny Jones?

  Which is a form of corruption, you know?

• 49:52Speaker 02

  It's a flawed system.

• 49:53Danny Jones?

  So, and then the other question is, how do these, where are they getting all the fucking money to do this stuff?

• 49:59Speaker 02

  Well, you know, as Dave Grush testified to Congress about, and as a number of the officials in my film say, there's been misappropriation of funds, you know? Money that's supposed to go to one thing that actually goes to this. On top of that, I have been told that there's a lot of off-book funding from the public sector, wealthy, just wealthy people who are providing funding for certain technology.

• 50:30Speaker 02

  Reverse engineering work, the hopes that they'll get some, they'll get the benefit down the line from some technological breakthrough that's been gleamed, you know? It's a lot of money out there in the world, you know? And look, the thing, you know, people will take, one of the things people will take away from the movie is that all of these folks who have been involved in covering this up, they've, they've all had their reasons for doing so, you know? That's why I keep saying it's not a black and white situation, you know? Some of these people, you know, likely if you, you know, if you, if you put a gun to the head of people with, in the CIA that have touched this over the years, likely

• 51:14Speaker 02

  they would honestly say that they think they're doing the right thing, you know? That they think we are in a, we are in a technology race with adversaries and so the best course of action ultimately is to not share with the public what we know and don't know, because that also will tell our adversaries. That's, they might just come out, that's where they come out on it, you know? And I don't think that any of these people are villains, I really don't. I just think it's a complicated situation and there's no easy answer. But I do think, at the same time, that we've gotten to a place where we would benefit from the basic facts being known. I do not think that a president or any leader of our country should step to the microphone

• 51:59Speaker 02

  and literally say everything we know and don't know. Like, that's pretty stupid when we're in a, when we're in a race with adversaries. But I think the base facts, that we're not alone in the universe, that the US government has in fact retrieved technology of non-human origin, that adversaries have as well, and that we are in this technology race, those base facts can be comfortably shared. And what I think it will do, is I think it will motivate the scientific community and private industry and academia to really lean into this. And I think it will lead to a whole era of technological breakthroughs that we wouldn't otherwise get to.

• 52:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and then you have the whole conflict with like the energy like if we can if we have this ability to have free clean energy around the world and it's been it's been covered up and hidden for this long, this is gonna disrupt the whole petroleum industry, which is like, you know, the whole world is propped up on oil, right? So we've been hiding free energy.

• 53:00Speaker 02

  But the energy source thing goes back to my point where I think some of these some of these people involved in gatekeeping this.

• 53:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 53:06Speaker 02

  That it's the it's the race war and adversaries that they worry about. So if you look at the technology, it these crafts are it's revealed in my film how these craft are working essentially, right? They are tapping into an energy source that we are currently not tapping into.

• 53:22Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 53:23Speaker 02

  And whether that is so-called free energy, you know, zero-point energy, or whether it's using quantum entanglement to bring large amounts of energy from somewhere else to to that area, whichever way they're achieving, creating this much energy in a localized area, they're warping spacetime in a localized area, they're creating what the scientists in my film describe as a bubble around the craft, and that separates the craft from the environment around it. It allows it to do things that, you know.

• 53:55Danny Jones?

  This is kind of what Bob Lazar described, right, in his film?

• 53:58Speaker 02

  He did. He did describe, yeah. It allows it allows the craft to operate in a way that looks like it's defying physics as we know it. But it's not defying physics as we know it. It's working within physics as we understand it.

• 54:08Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 54:09Speaker 02

  It's just in its own spacetime.

• 54:10Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 54:11Speaker 02

  But the reason I just went down the road is the the point is, yes, that could, if we figure that out, if it becomes known to mankind this technology exists and that it has been cracked, yes, it could, as you said, solve the energy crisis in theory, it could revolutionize the way we live. But the people who have been, you know, gatekeeping this information would also say it could be used by a bad actor very easily to deliver a weapon of mass destruction in the blink of an eye. And that's a terrifying thought. And so, see how it's it's not black, it's not a black or white situation. Yes, it could solve the energy crisis, but you know, a bad actor in his garage could make, you know, a weapon of mass destruction all of a sudden.

• 54:51Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 54:52Speaker 02

  And that's absolutely terrifying. So, you know, again, the people who have been involved in this would say that's the only reason you need to just keep it locked down and keep it quiet.

• 55:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 55:02Speaker 02

  That's all I need.

• 55:04Danny Jones?

  Crazy hypothetical situation. Imagine some of the people that are on the boards of these private industry companies also like own a huge stake in oil companies too. They're like, if I get this out, I'm gonna lose billions of dollars. So I'm just gonna keep it secret for as long as I can and fucking hold a gun to the head of every government around the world, knowing that if I wanted to, I could fucking, like, it seems like this stuff, if weaponized, it could be more powerful than every military around the world and every government combined.

• 55:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, you don't, right now, generally speaking, my understanding is that you, you essentially need to be a nation state to have the means to build nuclear weapons. If, if this technology and the ability to tap into energy like this was made public, you do not need to be a nation state. You could literally be a bad actor in your garage in middle America, and you could make something as destructive as a nuclear weapon.

• 56:00Danny Jones?

  You could be a rogue breakaway military that's more powerful than any nation state.

• 56:04Speaker 02

  You could, or do you want this ending up in the hands of like terrorists, like, you know?

• 56:09Danny Jones?

  Imagine cartels get free energy, fucking weapons, and UFOs.

• 56:13Speaker 02

  It's crazy. But so when you, when you talk about this, then you quickly start to realize, you know, no matter how much people like us who grew up, you know, watching Close Encounters and ET and interest in this would like to know the truth and, and, and learn about it all. You quickly get to like, having to be honest and understand why these people have kept this all secret. It's a complicated mess, you know?

• 56:34Danny Jones?

  And, and they kill people.

• 56:36Speaker 02

  From what I understand, people, people have.

• 56:39Danny Jones?

  I mean, just look at the Boeing shit with the Boeing whistleblowers, with the whole Boeing lawsuit. Or did you follow that at all? All these people that were like in line to go in front of Congress or give their testimony, just like, you know, killing themselves by shooting themselves in the head five times?

• 56:54Speaker 02

  It's horrible.

• 56:55Danny Jones?

  It's crazy.

• 56:56Speaker 02

  It's really horrible.

• 56:57Danny Jones?

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• 58:22Speaker 02

  One of the interview subjects in my film, who I got really close with and who I think is a great guy, and one of the most brilliant people I've met, one of the most interesting people I've ever met too, is Hal Pudoff, Dr. Hal Pudoff. He's a senior scientist, has been involved in a lot of highly classified programs, dealing with UAP and all sorts of other things. And, you know, we've had a lot of conversations like the one we're having now about, you know, the pros and cons of disclosure and why it's such a complicated situation and all these special interests and all these concerns, these valid concerns people have. And where he ultimately comes out on it, as a guy who's been around this topic for decades and is in his 80s now, he ultimately comes out.

• 59:03Speaker 02

  Thinking that we need to make it a humanitarian issue in the same way that we do with nuclear technology, you know, like just tackle it as as a species, like world leaders need to just come together on on a plan for how to use this for good and to safeguard the public from destruction, you know, there's laws that were made around nuclear technologies like, you know, you can't, private company can't go and say, hey, I'm going to build a nuclear weapon, you know, they would be stopped. So

• 59:34Danny Jones?

  By who?

• 59:35Speaker 02

  The government. It's illegal to build nuclear weapons.

• 59:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but you think they could think the government could really stop them? If four star generals can't get access to the secret programs, what's going to stop them from building, attaching a nuke to a Tik Tok?

• 59:45Speaker 02

  Maybe, but look, I think I think there could be an attempt to to

• 59:49Danny Jones?

  But I think this stuff makes nuclear weapons obsolete, though.

• 59:53Speaker 02

  Well, not obsolete, but just it's just they're just superior. It would create superior weapons.

• 59:58Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:00:00Speaker 02

  So anyway, I mean, look, maybe Hal's right, maybe he's wrong, but his outlook is that

• 1:00:06Speaker 02

  because this technology could be so revolutionary to the way we live and because

• 1:00:14Speaker 02

  the truth about all this could could could in in theory unite humanity, it could make it could make all of humanity realize that we have more in common than than than than we have differences.

• 1:00:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:00:27Speaker 02

  And because there's potential for all this positive outcome, he thinks that the best thing is to do a level set with the public and make this a humanitarian issue where we figure out as a whole how to deal with it. Now, look, that might just not be in the cards. That might not be possible. The dynamics might not, the dynamics between us and our adversaries might not allow for that. But it's, it's certainly

• 1:00:59Speaker 02

  In my opinion, the most interesting time to be alive because some, some, some amount of the truth is, is coming out right now. You know, my film makes it clear that there has in fact been a cover up of non-humanity in life. This technology does exist. And now we have, you know, we had a president put this, put this disclosure directive in motion. And so it's, it's playing out right now. We'll, we'll see, you know.

• 1:01:23Danny Jones?

  And also, why haven't we seen, do they plan on using any of this stuff on the battlefield?

• 1:01:30Speaker 02

  You know, that's an interesting point. I'm glad you brought that up. Someone, someone really senior that in the intelligence community, it's in my film, told me that when, when he formed a confidential relationship with someone in the leadership of the legacy program, he asked them straight up, would we break this technology out on the battlefield to, you know, win a war or prevent a war? And the answer quickly was no, that we would not, we would not show this card unless it was to prevent nuclear destruction. Like the last,

• 1:02:11Speaker 02

  like a, like a last, last, the last thing, last card that we played, basically. And the idea being that the reason being, once, once you show this card, then again, you're showing your adversaries what you know and don't know. And you're, you're, you're opening this giant can of worms and you're telling the public, we got this. And, and I remember when I was told that and I was, that was, that was pretty mind blowing. So now I don't think, I don't think it's been, I don't think it's been used.

• 1:02:41Danny Jones?

  Did they give you any idea of how they could weaponize it?

• 1:02:46Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, if you, you know, as described in the film, you know, you create a bubble. And if you warp space time in a localized area, you can create a bubble around anything, a craft.

• 1:02:59Speaker 02

  You know, a weapon of mass destruction, anything. So like the way you, the way you could use it is, I think, pretty, pretty clear. It's a

• 1:03:07Danny Jones?

  So you can move, move a, a weapon from point A to point B instantaneously.

• 1:03:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, or a craft with weapons on it.

• 1:03:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:03:15Speaker 02

  I mean, if you could go from, if you can go from, if you can travel great distances in the blink of an eye, then.

• 1:03:24Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:03:24Speaker 02

  That's how you do it. What do you, what do you, I'm just, I'm curious. You've talked a lot about this topic. Like where, where would you come out? And when, when you start talking about the ways that this technology can be used, you know, for bad, but then, you know, solve the energy crisis sounds awesome, right? Um, where do you come at it? Do you think, do you think it's possible to, to make it a humanitarian issue and, and figure it out with our allies and adversaries at a high level? Or do you think that ultimately gaming, people's, you know, gamemanship will come in and geopolitics will come in and?

• 1:03:54Danny Jones?

  I think ultimately, there's probably so many layers above this and above the, so many layers above not only the politicians and the CIA, but above that you have like this, this decentralized mafia layer and banking layer that controls all them and probably owns some of these corporations and own these politicians and control everything that happens. And that just like work behind the curtain. And it's hard to be optimistic that like humanity can rise up and overthrow that, you know, especially with the, like all this Epstein stuff that's come out that like basically shows how these people work

• 1:04:38Danny Jones?

  behind the scenes and that like politicians are basically like fake stand ins. Um, yeah, you know, again, I hope like Dave Grush was when he came out and did that and all these congressional hearings started happening, like it gave me a lot of hope. Like, you know, maybe we can see shine, they can shine just enough light to get people, because now I, I will say this. At least now, the UFO topic in general, I don't think it's stigmatized anymore. It's completely out of the bag. That's a completely normal thing for everyone to talk about, right?

• 1:05:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I actually think that's the thing I'm most proud of with my film with the edge of disclosures. I really think it puts the nail in the coffin for the stigma.

• 1:05:24Danny Jones?

  We all know, everybody knows UFOs are real.

• 1:05:26Speaker 02

  You can't watch that film and not be like, okay, this is true.

• 1:05:27Danny Jones?

  A hundred percent.

• 1:05:28Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:05:29Danny Jones?

  A hundred percent. So what's the next level of that? You know, like where does that move to next? The thing is, when there is this gap in knowledge, people are just going to fill it with whatever. They're gonna fill it with whatever they want to believe. They're gonna fill it with aliens, extraterrestrials, time traveling humans, angels and demons, religious stuff. And again, that stuff, it's like, there's factions, it seems like, in the intelligence and military communities that all have different views on this stuff. Like, there's people that are in the military and in intelligence and in high levels of government who think that it's like, JD Vance said that.

• 1:06:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:06:10Danny Jones?

  He thinks they're angels and demons.

• 1:06:12Speaker 02

  No, people are applying their belief systems to it, which is not surprising, you know?

• 1:06:17Danny Jones?

  And that's what happens when they don't give, when the, when the people in charge don't give a definitive analysis of it. They just sort of like, here's this crazy shit, do with it what you will.

• 1:06:26Speaker 02

  That's why I really do think we need the equivalent of Kennedy's space race speech that he gave at Rice University. Just that level set of, we have retrieved craft, actual aircraft, like, technology, not spiritual stuff, technology of non-human origin, and so have our adversaries and our allies. And there is this race, and we need to win this race for the following reasons, right? And just like that kind of a level set, I think that will take it out of all this like guessing game of what it is and just make it a real thing for people. The reason I think the space race analogy is so great too is like, think about it, like...

• 1:07:05Speaker 02

  There's probably a lot of people at that time, you know, throughout the country that the idea, like if you were to go up to them prior to Kennedy's speech and say, you know, the moon, the thing up in the sky there, we're gonna go there, they would laugh at you and be like, that sounds crazy, you know? Like, in the context of that time, it probably sounds crazy, right?

• 1:07:21Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:07:22Speaker 02

  But then a president, you know, and other leaders in the country, saying that that's a real thing that can happen, and we're gonna make it a national priority, it made it like an accepted idea that that's possible, you know? And then people put their brain power towards it. So I think like that, that's sort of a level set with the American public is, I think, what we're gonna get, and I think we'll get it relatively soon.

• 1:07:46Danny Jones?

  What was how and Eric Davis, what was their view on what this stuff was? Did they have like a singular view, or was, did they think it was a?

• 1:07:55Speaker 02

  No, they think, they think it's a, you know, for lack of better words, like a, like a smorgasbord of like, possibilities. The, you know, interdimensional, extraterrestrial, ultra-terrestrial, you know, might have been, there might be a species that has been here all along, and some, at some point, a long time ago, broke off the human family tree. You know, there's so much of our planet that we haven't explored properly, you know?

• 1:08:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah, we've explored more of the surface of Mars than we have of our own ocean floors.

• 1:08:28Speaker 02

  Than our ocean floors, you know? People, we have, we have an entire continent that's essentially, you know, unexplored.

• 1:08:37Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:08:38Speaker 02

  I mean, Antarctica is just like a big mystery box.

• 1:08:41Danny Jones?

  Great place to hide shit.

• 1:08:42Speaker 02

  Great place to hide shit. And you could, an entire species could have, you know, could, could be under, under the ice in Antarctica, and we'd have no idea. We're, we're in a little bubble, you know? I mean, it could be like, literally, I mean, I'm making a joke here, but I mean, like, you watch a movie like Black Panther, and you're like, you know what?

• 1:09:01Speaker 02

  It's an entire advanced species that's coexisted alongside humanity.

• 1:09:04Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:09:04Speaker 02

  They've developed ahead of us. They have technology that we don't have. They're worried about our, our, our blossoming, you know, technological advancements.

• 1:09:14Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:09:14Speaker 02

  And they don't want us to end up having their technology because it could destroy the world.

• 1:09:19Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:09:19Speaker 02

  You're like, hmm, alright.

• 1:09:20Danny Jones?

  Very familiar story.

• 1:09:21Speaker 02

  Yeah. Um, so, you know, look, there's a lot of possibilities. The, the only thing that's certain is that, um, you know, a number of people in my film know as a fact from their, from their work with the government that crafts of non-human origin have indeed crashed or been caused to crash.

• 1:09:41Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:09:41Speaker 02

  And we have recovered them. It's tangible technology. And in some cases, there's been non-human beings in these crafts.

• 1:09:48Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:09:48Speaker 02

  And, um, you know, the other thing is, you know, they say, people say it in my film, but, uh, there, there is indisputable video evidence that exists. It's just classified. So, you know, the best we can get now is, is credible people.

• 1:10:05Danny Jones?

  Have you seen any of it?

• 1:10:06Speaker 02

  I have not seen anything that's classified, no. Um, but the best we can get now is people who have great reputations, putting their credibility on the line, saying on camera, I have seen with my own eyes.

• 1:10:21Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:21Speaker 02

  Craft of non-human origin. I have seen non-human beings. I have seen evidence that is classified, that, that is indisputable. Like, that's the best we can get now.

• 1:10:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:10:32Speaker 02

  Until they can, until that information can legally be, that those videos and photos can legally be shared. Well, the best you can get is some incredible, putting their rep on the line, saying, I have seen that. It exists, right?

• 1:10:42Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:10:43Speaker 02

  And so that's, that's where we are now. And I think in this age of disclosure we're living in, I think we will eventually get to some of that stuff being, being unclassified and, and shared with some kind of thoughtful context.

• 1:10:55Danny Jones?

  And it seems like these things have the, certainly have the ability to, uh, make themselves visible or not at will.

• 1:11:02Speaker 02

  You know, I think one of the interesting things you and Rogan were talking about on his podcast, which was a great analogy, I thought, how taking a photo of fish under the water, the water basically like warps and occludes and blurs out the fish. You can barely see it because there's this layer, right, of elements between you and the fish.

• 1:11:21Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:11:21Speaker 02

  And like the same thing with these UFOs, like if they're creating some sort of a gravity bubble around them or something, or warping spacetime around them, it's going to be like essentially cloakable.

• 1:11:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:11:32Speaker 02

  So people always say, you know, the, the, the average person always says, well, if these things are out there, how come no one's ever gotten a good video with their iPhone? Everyone's got a 4K camera in their pocket. Yeah, everyone has a 4K camera in their pocket. But it's the same reason why everyone with a 4K camera in their pocket can't get clear video of fish under the ocean from above the ocean. It's not possible, you know?

• 1:11:56Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:11:57Speaker 02

  If you, if you, if, if, you know, the koi pond analogy, if you, if you stand above a koi pond and you see the fish down there with your, your naked eye and you take out your iPhone and you try to film them, it's going to look all distorted because you're literally filming through a barrier, you know, a different medium. There's the, the top of the water. You know, you're above the water, they're, they're below the, the water line.

• 1:12:17Danny Jones?

  Exactly.

• 1:12:18Speaker 02

  And, and so it's the same thing here. If you try video filming these things from outside the bubble that they've created, the bubble around them, then you're just trying to, you're trying to film through a spacetime barrier essentially.

• 1:12:31Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:12:31Speaker 02

  You're never going to get anything more than the kind of footage we get now.

• 1:12:35Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:12:37Speaker 02

  But at the same time, I've been told that there is video evidence that exists at a classified level of these craft when the bubble is turned off. Where you can see clear as day, the craft. And that's the stuff that people might film have seen and go on the record saying exists. It's very clear cut, indisputable.

• 1:13:04Danny Jones?

  I've heard from folks that I've had on this podcast who are like the most tapped in, dorkiest UFO dorks ever. Who really study this stuff. That out of all the agencies that look at the UFO topic, the one that knows the most about everything is the Navy. And the there's this this agency called the, I think it's the U N R or N R O something. It's like the underwater N R O, like the National Reconnaissance Office of the Ocean. And like, if we see so many of these things coming out of the oceans all the time, and

• 1:13:48Danny Jones?

  we have, I mean, historical evidence back into like the beginning of written history of these things coming out of the ocean. Like, what have these nuclear submarine pilots seen or like detected on their radars? I wonder, because you don't hear a lot about that.

• 1:14:04Speaker 02

  Probably a lot, probably a lot. Look, I do think the Navy knows a lot, for sure. You know, Jay Stratton, who ran the UAP Task Force and who co-created OSAP with Kaski, which became, you know, ATIP. He comes from Naval Intelligence, a very senior naval intelligence official. But I do, I do believe him and his colleagues, who I've gotten to know well, when they say that despite the Navy having learned a lot, they are still boxed out by the legacy program. And they are still like, you know, on their own parallel path to to figure this all out.

• 1:14:48Speaker 02

  I think they collect a lot of data, though.

• 1:14:50Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:14:51Speaker 02

  Like, a lot of data at a classified level.

• 1:14:53Danny Jones?

  There's gotta be so much more under the water. If I was just to guess, I would guess there'd be so much more, because you can't, obviously, you can't take, I don't think that they have cameras outside their submarines to take photos of stuff, but I'm sure they have some sort of ways of detecting it.

• 1:15:06Speaker 02

  No, stuff they're catching on sonar, they're grabbing that data, for sure.

• 1:15:10Danny Jones?

  The, the, the, um, Tim Gall, that told us a crazy story.

• 1:15:16Speaker 02

  What's that?

• 1:15:17Danny Jones?

  About a Navy captain, a submarine captain, who he talked to, who explained, uh, they had like their signals going off inside their nuclear submarine, somewhere in like the North Atlantic or whatever, of like an incoming something really fast, like as fast as a missile. And, uh, It came up like really close behind them and it ended up being like way bigger than their submarine, like 10 times bigger than their submarine and it just stopped on a dime and then vanished.

• 1:15:47Speaker 02

  Jesus, that's fucking bananas.

• 1:15:51Danny Jones?

  Now it's gotta be so scary because you're a sitting duck inside this metal tube in the middle of the ocean.

• 1:15:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, I mean, think back to, you know, for ref, for, for context, like think back to movies like Hunt for Red October, like those claustrophobic like sardine can at the bottom.

• 1:16:06Danny Jones?

  Right, right, right.

• 1:16:08Speaker 02

  Terrifying. It makes me, it makes me, you know, whenever we talk about the underwater activity, it makes me think that maybe, maybe James Cameron was ahead of his time and, you know, onto something.

• 1:16:19Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the water stuff's spooky.

• 1:16:20Speaker 02

  Abyss, the abyss makes you rethink the abyss, you know, it is spooky. The, the people I've spoken to who have seen with their own eyes some of those kind of events, it's all been on nuclear weapons sites. I mean, I, you know, for example, that I knew in my film, one of the, one of the interview subjects was a air force security guard at Vandenberg Air Force Base on the California coast. I live in Los Angeles and this is just like a couple hours north of us, around Santa Barbara. And he goes on the record on camera for the first time saying that he personally witnessed,

• 1:17:01Speaker 02

  he was standing guard at a nuclear weapons site, and it's, sorry, that was not a nuclear weapons site. That was a missile, yeah, it was, it was, it was, it was a missile site.

• 1:17:09Danny Jones?

  That's where their interceptor system is based, there in Alaska.

• 1:17:12Speaker 02

  Exactly. It was, it was a missile site that he was guarding. It was not a nuclear weapons site, but it was, it was, it was part of our defense system, a key part of our defense system, as you said. And he said that him and a few other guards, I think it might've been, might've been six. I can't remember off the top of my head. It was either three or six. But they saw a light approaching from the Pacific Ocean going towards the base. At first they thought it was an airplane like heading towards the base, which also concerned them, but that's what they thought it was at first. And then as it got closer, like the size just completely changed and all of a sudden they saw a, and the light went away and all of a And they saw a matte black giant object the size of a football field they described as like to the left and to the right of their their

• 1:17:54Speaker 02

  their eye line. And he said that it slowed almost to a stop when it came above the base and then it kind of hovered above them. For for I can't remember whether he said like thirty seconds or sixty seconds, but short, short while and he said they all just kind of stood there in awe staring at this thing, processing this. He said there was no lights, no windows, no visual, you know, visible means of propulsion. It was just there, this giant. Rectangular object the size of a football field. And then he said it took up, took off thousands of miles an hour up the coast. And, um, you know.

• 1:18:31Danny Jones?

  There was also the guy Bob Jacobs who.

• 1:18:34Speaker 02

  Bob Jacobs is in the, yeah, he's in the film. He talked about.

• 1:18:37Danny Jones?

  They were sending dummy nukes up or something?

• 1:18:39Speaker 02

  Yeah, same base, Vandenberg Air Force Base decades prior. He's interviewed in the film as well. He was a, he was a cameraman for the Air Force. His job was to film a missile test that was happening. And they shot a dummy missile up and they had it being filmed by a bunch of different cameras. Just to study, study it. And while they were filming, a UAP came into frame and moved around, zapped the missile, zapping it as this missile was moving along thousands of miles an hour. And.

• 1:19:12Danny Jones?

  Fell out of the sky, right?

• 1:19:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then, and then this UAP just took off and it was all caught on camera. And, you know, he was told, you know, never to talk about it and, and, you know, essentially like.

• 1:19:24Danny Jones?

  Wow, dude.

• 1:19:25Speaker 02

  Threatened in a way.

• 1:19:28Danny Jones?

  Haven't they used nukes to try to like bait the UFOs in?

• 1:19:31Speaker 02

  Yeah. So that's one of the really fascinating things that my interview subject shared and.

• 1:19:39Speaker 02

  A long time ago, they realized folks involved in covering this up in the legacy program and in other, you know, areas like the Navy, they, they, they, they learned that nuclear footprints attract these things. They're, they're, they're paying attention to our nuclear progress and to what we do with nuclear technology. And so they started creating environments that would attract UAP and lure them in. And then they could collect data and get, get, get information that would help them in their technology race. I do believe that, my understanding is some lines were crossed where they also

• 1:20:23Speaker 02

  caused some of these crashes. They would lure them in and they would create circumstances that would cause some crashes, which seems like a, like a pretty risky decision. But at the same time, I think my understanding is that adversarial nations have done this and do this. So that, so if we don't do it, then we would fall behind. Again, one of those like examples of this being a super complicated situation, you know, sort of damned if you do, damned if you don't in any part of this whole conversation. Yeah. Right. And I found that fascinating. Interestingly, I just learned through some of my relationships

• 1:21:06Speaker 02

  in the government right now, that some of the intelligence officials who have been tasked with identifying what evidence can be lawfully disclosed, following President Trump's directive, some of them learned that various agencies and branches of the military had been luring these things in, in the past, and that they had figured out how to do that. And these intelligence officials asked for a demonstration of that as recent as a couple of weeks ago, and apparently saw with their own eyes, UAP. I was told this in confidence by a couple of people within the last couple of weeks.

• 1:21:49Speaker 02

  And then interestingly Congressman Burleson, who also had learned this, shared it on a podcast. I think last week, a few days ago, that he had heard the same thing.

• 1:22:03Speaker 02

  If true, pretty shocking.

• 1:22:05Danny Jones?

  Who were they showing this to?

• 1:22:06Speaker 02

  So, so it was some of the intelligence officials tasked by a member of the current cabinet to uncover evidence that can be declassified. Trump gives a directive, we need to, we need to identify what evidence exists that can be declassified, right? So then he tells certain cabinet members, you know, get on that, right? And then they have their teams go and shake those trees. And in that process, apparently, some of them were given a demonstration on how UAP can be lured in.

• 1:22:42Danny Jones?

  On how to lure them in.

• 1:22:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, and apparently saw with their own eyes, which was a game changer.

• 1:22:47Danny Jones?

  And Burleson said this on a podcast.

• 1:22:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I had heard this from multiple sources prior to Burleson saying it on a podcast.

• 1:22:53Danny Jones?

  Recently.

• 1:22:53Speaker 02

  Yeah, within the last couple of weeks.

• 1:22:54Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 1:22:55Speaker 02

  And then it was three or four days ago Congressman Burleson said it on a podcast. I was just gonna keep it to myself, but then he, you know, he brought it up. So there you go. It's interesting.

• 1:23:05Danny Jones?

  How were they?

• 1:23:05Speaker 02

  If that's true, if that really happened, it's a pretty.

• 1:23:09Danny Jones?

  Is this a psionic stuff?

• 1:23:10Speaker 02

  Incredible escalation. I honestly don't know how they actually, how they actually did it. And the people, people I've talked to.

• 1:23:19Danny Jones?

  I'm sure you know.

• 1:23:20Speaker 02

  Such as Drake, such as Jay Strad.

• 1:23:22Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:23:23Speaker 02

  Have told me that in the past, nuclear footprints were used. So you could put a nuclear submarine in a certain area and nearby it, you could put

• 1:23:39Speaker 02

  another vessel with a, with a nuclear weapon on it and that footprint will attract them.

• 1:23:47Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 1:23:48Speaker 02

  Yeah. So actually, um, something that, you know, your listeners will find fascinating. Um, so, so Jay actually, uh, has a big memoir coming out later this year, Jay Stratton.

• 1:24:00Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 1:24:00Speaker 02

  And it's his tell all book about his journey down this rabbit hole, uh, over the, and investigating UAP and non-human intelligent life for, for 16 years. And he goes into a lot of detail on this stuff and the learnings that, you know, he and his colleagues had about how these things could be lured in and how they, how, um, how elements of our government and other governments have been doing that.

• 1:24:28Danny Jones?

  Did they ever talk to you about, or did he ever mention, or anyone ever mention any of this psionic stuff?

• 1:24:33Speaker 02

  No, no, I've read, I've, I've, you know, like you, I've seen, I've seen other people talk about it online and stuff, but I, no one ever talked to me about that.

• 1:24:40Danny Jones?

  Never heard anything about that.

• 1:24:42Speaker 02

  What have, what have you found to be the most interesting about it?

• 1:24:46Danny Jones?

  Uh, there was a guy, Michael Herrera, who was one of the whistleblowers who came out, I forget how long ago it was, I want to say the nineties, maybe, I could be wrong, could be in the 2000s, um, who said that he was working in the military somewhere in remote jungles of Indonesia or something.

• 1:25:06Speaker 02

  Yeah, I remember that.

• 1:25:07Danny Jones?

  Remember? And they, and there was like an earthquake, a humanitarian crisis where they were rescuing people, but what they were really doing is taking these like indigenous people, children, kidnapping them. And then like, all of a sudden, like these like fucking crazy looking ships showed up, like these fucking, like, um, like almost human made crafts, like UFOs, and they were loading these people onto them.

• 1:25:32Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:25:33Danny Jones?

  And taking them away. And, and what I guess he learned, or what we eventually learned through other whistleblowers is that they were using these people who were sort of like not.

• 1:25:50Danny Jones?

  indoctrinated into Western society into the technological world that we live in here. People that are more tied to nature, younger people, they were even finding people who are left-handed or gay. And something about them was enabling them to tap into something where they could use their minds to consciously control the UFOs.

• 1:26:13Speaker 02

  Wow.

• 1:26:14Danny Jones?

  Sounds crazy. There was a guy that Jesse Michaels had on his podcast who was, I forget his name now, but he worked for some private company or whatever. And he said that he was there to red team Michael Herrera when he did his press thing. And he said he was going in there as like counter intel to like find out who was spilling the secrets. And then when he heard Michael Carrera give that testimony, he, this guy realized, he goes, holy shit, I was there. I was a part of that team that was doing that. I was one of the guys that he fucking saw. And then I guess his story was like that, like made him want to tell his story and like switch teams.

• 1:26:53Danny Jones?

  But, and then that's like the whole, that's as far as what I'm aware of.

• 1:26:57Speaker 02

  I, I don't know any about that particular event.

• 1:27:01Danny Jones?

  No, that was not Ross Cole. That was a different guy that Jesse Michaels had on.

• 1:27:04Speaker 02

  I don't know about that particular event in the jungle, other than what, you know, I've read on my, once Michael started sharing that. But I have heard about, I have heard that there are people who have the ability to communicate

• 1:27:28Speaker 02

  using the power of their mind. I, I, I know that probably is like the most wacky sounding thing.

• 1:27:35Danny Jones?

  Not at all.

• 1:27:36Speaker 02

  Your listeners are.

• 1:27:37Danny Jones?

  Have you seen my library?

• 1:27:38Speaker 02

  I, I, I know, but there's, there's, there's, there's certainly going to be some, some of your listeners who are like, man, that guy's out of his mind, you know? But this is what I've been told by super serious people.

• 1:27:51Speaker 02

  There, there are a bunch of.

• 1:27:58Speaker 02

  There's a bunch of really grounded, not a bunch, that's the stupidest way to say it. There's a lot of, there's a lot of data that shows that this, this is a real area of inquiry. So if you get out of the UAP topic for a second, so Stargate was a real program that really existed. There is so much evidence of it that's been declassified. Dr. Hal Puthoff, who's in my film, who's very involved in the UAP topic, he ran Stargate. He was tasked with building Stargate. And what Stargate was, was a program that identified people who have psychic abilities.

• 1:28:38Speaker 02

  And they trained them to use their mind's eye to wander to remote locations and to be able to do what's called remote viewing, to, to see a location remotely. Sounds crazy, right? Just sounds completely bananas, but that was a real program that our government funded. The CIA and DARPA and the Department of Defense funded that for years. And they got actionable intelligence out of it. So some, that Joe Rogan and I talked about this for a while. There's, there's even, there's even recordings of past presidents talking about this as a valid thing.

• 1:29:22Speaker 02

  Jimmy Carter made a couple of statements on it before he died, saying that they, the military actually acted on intelligence that the remote viewers gave, and it worked. They used it, he famously gave a quote about a, a remote viewer being used to find a missing airplane, a crashed, a crashed fighter jet that had, that had fallen off radar. Yeah. And so there's all these, there's all this data out there. That's, that's indisputable that, that program existed, it was real. There's a there there, right? It's a real situation.

• 1:29:59Speaker 02

  And so it's not the craziest leap to go from accepting that remote viewing is a real thing, even though it's hard to understand and hard to, you know, wrap your head around, to, to, to, to, to thinking that maybe people who have those abilities can also communicate from a distance with.

• 1:30:25Speaker 02

  Non-human life.

• 1:30:28Speaker 02

  There are.

• 1:30:31Speaker 02

  There are people who have told me that. That is a thing that that there are people who have the ability to do that and that it's referred to as space, space intelligence communications.

• 1:30:45Danny Jones?

  Let's put a pin there. I gotta piss so bad I can taste it.

• 1:30:49Danny Jones?

  We're back.

• 1:30:50Speaker 02

  So, you know, we're talking about a lot of stuff that I think to the average person just sounds completely bananas and extraordinary.

• 1:30:57Danny Jones?

  Not to our audience, though.

• 1:30:59Speaker 02

  Totally. Yeah, I'm conscious of it for sure. And so it's, I think it's always worth, you know, it's always worth saying, like, for me, when, you know, when making the age of disclosure, I only interviewed extremely credible people who had a lot to lose reputation wise. And to actually had direct knowledge of this stuff as a result of working for the government. Because I feel like my personal opinion, and I'm sure a lot of your listeners feel the same, short of indisputable video evidence or a craft landing, you know, in Times Square and non-human intelligent life walking out, you know, short of that level of in-your-face evidence,

• 1:31:42Speaker 02

  the best we can really hope for is extremely credible people putting their reputation on the line to share what they can. That's really what it comes down to. Like, that is, that's the best we can hope for short of that, that dream scenario, right? And so. You know, that, that is, that is sort of the bar I've always held. Like, you know, I, I put weight in things said by people who fit that description, you know, and whether that's, you know, a very senior politician who has a lot to lose because, you know, A, he sits on classified committees and doesn't want to lose his seat.

• 1:32:22Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:32:23Speaker 02

  B, wants to run for president one day, you know, all these other things, whether it's someone like that or whether it's an intelligence official who, you know.

• 1:32:33Speaker 02

  Doesn't want to get himself killed and doesn't want to, um, you know, lose his ability, lose his clearance, his security clearance and doesn't want to lose his ability to provide for his family.

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• 1:33:42Speaker 02

  Someone like that speaking up and sharing what he'll offer, like, I, I, I put, I put a lot of stock in.

• 1:33:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:33:49Speaker 02

  Things credible people say when they have a lot to lose.

• 1:33:51Danny Jones?

  And it's interesting too, like, we alluded to this briefly earlier, but how these people can, I just now thought of this for the first time ever, is that they can use that top secret clearance that they have or that special access that they have as leverage to earn more money in different private organizations.

• 1:34:08Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, a lot of people don't realize this. If you're a high level intelligence official at like Navy Intelligence or within the Department of Defense or, or the CIA and you retire, you're collecting your pension as a government worker, um, the way, the, the, what, what a lot of them do after they retire from government work, they go and they work in the private sector. They work for a big defense contractor or, you know, or they work for, uh, you know, a big pharmaceutical company. Uh, and one of the requirements for those jobs after is that they, they have a security clearance and they're set up to be able to like actually work on whatever, whatever classified projects those private companies are doing for elements of the government,

• 1:34:53Speaker 02

  right?

• 1:34:54Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:34:55Speaker 02

  And if he, if, if, if you...

• 1:34:58Speaker 02

  Piss off the wrong people, or you start making things up and look crazy or untrustworthy, you're gonna lose your clearance and you're not gonna be able to provide for your family.

• 1:35:10Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:35:10Speaker 02

  And so, no one who spoke on camera in my film and revealed these extraordinary truths, lost their clearances after. No one, you know, you know, lost their job. If anything, many of them excelled. You know, when I interviewed Rubio, he was vice chairman in the Senate Intelligence Committee. He said these extraordinary things in my film. Did he get laughed out of DC? No. He got escalated to the second most powerful guy in the world. Our Secretary of State.

• 1:35:44Danny Jones?

  Interesting.

• 1:35:45Speaker 02

  And our National Security Advisor. You know, there's only one time in American history that one person has been the National Security Advisor and the Secretary of State at the same time, was Henry Kissinger for two years. It's like such rare air. I mean, you unprecedented access to information, you know. Number of the people in my film are actively working in the private sector, using their, their clearances.

• 1:36:14Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:36:14Speaker 02

  Yeah. A number of them, dozens of them, actually. And, you know, none of them have been, you know, laughed out of the room or called crazy or had their reps ruined because they really stuck to what is true that can be lawfully disclosed. And so, yeah.

• 1:36:31Danny Jones?

  What did you make of James Clapper?

• 1:36:33Speaker 02

  I think that James Clapper, the interview he did, was him attempting to come clean with the American public in the only way he could. That's what I think. I think he's a guy who's in his 80s, he's been at the highest levels of the intelligence community for decades. He was the head of Air Force Intelligence. He was the Director of National Intelligence.

• 1:37:03Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:37:05Speaker 02

  He's been the head of multiple other intelligence agencies.

• 1:37:09Speaker 02

  He's never publicly revealed anything on this topic. But he agreed to participate in my film and play a role in disclosure. And he shared what he could and it was pretty significant, actually. For those who haven't seen the film on camera, James Clapper confirms that UAP activity over Area 51 is in fact real. It's not conspiracy, it's not nonsense, it is a real situation. And he confirmed that despite the Air Force saying they have not had any investigation of UAP since the closure of Project Blue Book, he says, when he was the head of Air Force

• 1:37:49Speaker 02

  Intelligence, they did in fact have a program to actively investigate UAP. So he unveiled the Air Force's actual role in all of this, their hidden role. And he, I think, did a big service to the public and to squashing the stigma by acknowledging that UAP activity over Area 51 is real. Because I think for most people around the world, the idea of UAP and Area 51, the mysteries around Area 51, they've been sensationalized so much, you know, in movies and TV shows that I think most people don't think it's real. And I think here was a guy putting his credibility on the line late in life to say that that is real. It's a valid area of inquiry.

• 1:38:33Speaker 02

  And I remember, you know, when I interviewed him, I'm this far away from him, and I remember feeling it like he had just got this off his chest, you know? Like he got a wig off his chest, yeah, when he said that. And I think he was at a place in life where he just, he wanted to, he wanted to sort of like give that to the public and, you know, come clean on some of these basic facts. You know, he

• 1:39:03Speaker 02

  Guy's a general, General Jim Clapper.

• 1:39:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah, he is.

• 1:39:08Speaker 02

  And, and, and yeah, he's been caught up in some, um, you know, political, you know, stuff. There's the whole thing with.

• 1:39:15Danny Jones?

  Line to Congress.

• 1:39:16Speaker 02

  Yeah, there's this whole, the whole Biden laptop thing, um, you know, I know a lot of people will say, well, I don't think he was honest about that. So how do I, how do I know he's honest about this?

• 1:39:25Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:39:26Speaker 02

  You know, your call on who you want to believe, but like what, what would he get out of line? What would, what would a guy in his eighties get out of going and participating in this film? That he knows is all about disclosure. He knew in advance Rubio, Rounds, Jill Lebran, Jay Stratt and Chris Mellon, Hal Puthoff, Eric Davis, White House National Security Council members, all were coming out of the shadows to speak up about what they could legally. Why, why would he participate and say the things he said?

• 1:39:55Danny Jones?

  Have you played that out? Have you thought about that?

• 1:39:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, of course.

• 1:39:57Danny Jones?

  Why would he? Is that, can you think of any reasonable explanation of why he would make it up?

• 1:40:01Speaker 02

  No, no, especially when you add in context that like I alone would have, like the, the people watching my film would have. His wife was in the hospital dying, like in her, in her final weeks. He had been sitting by her bedside every day. He took a couple of hours off to come straight from the hospital to do this. And then went back to the hospital. Like, you know, and he told me, I actually said, when I, when I, when, when I learned like a day before, that that was the circumstances he was dealing with personally. I reached out and said, Hey, you know, if it's not the right time in life, it's, it's, it's all good, you know, you know? And, and he was like, no, this is important.

• 1:40:41Speaker 02

  So, you know, um, and, and, and, and it'd be easier to go down the conspiratorial route of,

• 1:40:50Speaker 02

  you know, the people, people making up stories if it was like a few people, but I interviewed 34 people on camera. Thirty, thirty four senior members of the military government intelligence committee. That, that many of which aren't even, they don't, don't know each other, you know?

• 1:41:04Danny Jones?

  Did Jay get you in touch with Clapper?

• 1:41:07Speaker 02

  Um, no.

• 1:41:09Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 1:41:11Speaker 02

  No.

• 1:41:11Danny Jones?

  I just think it's, you know, it's important to keep in mind some of that stuff, the history of these people. You know, because even if somebody is a military general and at the top of the food chain of the American government or intelligence organization, doesn't always mean, in fact, almost never means they're going to tell you the truth.

• 1:41:29Danny Jones?

  And, um, you know, it is important to know that this guy literally lied to Congress and said that the NSA was not spying on American citizens two months before Snowden leaked the NSA documents proving that they were spying on American citizens.

• 1:41:39Speaker 02

  Yeah. Look, I do think that, you know, if he had lied in the past, maybe this was a way to kind of make up for it. Maybe this was, maybe this was like, hey, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do the right thing this, this time and I'm gonna share that this is a real situation.

• 1:41:58Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:41:58Speaker 02

  If you study his body language in the doc, that's, that's the impression I get. Like, he's not excited to do what he's doing, but he's doing it because he thinks, like, thinks he should.

• 1:42:09Danny Jones?

  He's getting up there in age, man.

• 1:42:11Speaker 02

  You know?

• 1:42:12Danny Jones?

  A lot of these people are.

• 1:42:14Speaker 02

  Look at his face in the film when he.

• 1:42:15Danny Jones?

  I did, I did.

• 1:42:16Speaker 02

  After he says the Area 51 line, you could tell, there was other people in the room with me actually that picked up on this too. He immediately kind of looked down and it was like as if he was thinking to himself like, well, I just said it. So hopefully, hopefully that's okay, you know? Like, it kind of just came out, you know? Um, and, uh, yeah. But I mean,

• 1:42:40Speaker 02

  you know, what, what would be, what would be the, the narrative if all 34 people in this film, they were, they're all saying the same thing and all sharing information they have personally learned to be true. They're all sharing it, it all fits together, it all, it all, it all works together. What would be, what would be the alternative to the truth?

• 1:43:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah. I mean, I would personally just be very skeptical if it all fit together perfectly, you know? And it was like bow tied up and wrapped up in a little gift. It's like, you know, I would be skeptical that they would be trying to push out a narrative to the American public. You know, a specific narrative.

• 1:43:23Danny Jones?

  Um, you know, who knows, you know, who knows, maybe they're trying to protect some sort of

• 1:43:30Danny Jones?

  secret military weapons program that they've been working on since the forties when they when Roswell happened and they want to convince they they've learned what it is. They know how it works. They're trying to figure out more about how it works and they want to put out some sort of a public limited hangout, right? And let everyone make everyone think that this is real disclosure when in fact, it's a completely separate narrative from what they think it really is. They want to throw people off the scent, you know, back to the whole Paul Benowitz story, but on a whole grander scheme.

• 1:43:59Speaker 02

  So, okay, so if you play that out, which of course I've had that I've had that thought, um, you play that out, then where you land is elements of the US government cracked a new energy source in the forties and kept it secret and never used it to benefit our country.

• 1:44:18Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:44:19Speaker 02

  And, um,

• 1:44:21Danny Jones?

  Well, it's a private industry, right?

• 1:44:23Speaker 02

  This doesn't make any sense because private industry wants to make money, you know? If someone had cracked a new energy source in the forties, I think they would have used it to become the most valuable company on the planet. None of the defense contractors are even in the top hundred most valuable companies in America, much less the world.

• 1:44:42Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:44:43Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 1:44:45Danny Jones?

  Not not

• 1:44:46Speaker 02

  Northrop and Lockheed and and Raytheon and all those? No, look at their market caps compared to like Nvidia, you know?

• 1:44:54Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:44:54Speaker 02

  It's not even on the same

• 1:44:55Danny Jones?

  What about like Palantir? I mean, all, yeah, these

• 1:44:58Speaker 02

  They're big. Don't get me wrong. They're big business.

• 1:45:00Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:45:00Speaker 02

  They're not. They're not the most valuable companies on earth, which I just personally

• 1:45:07Danny Jones?

  I would be curious.

• 1:45:07Speaker 02

  Believe they would be.

• 1:45:08Danny Jones?

  I would be curious. Can we ask one of the AIs like compare the, um, just do GDP of the top five or top 10 United States, uh, military contractors versus?

• 1:45:20Speaker 02

  Well, no, just to just to market cap Lockheed Martin versus Nvidia.

• 1:45:25Danny Jones?

  Well, don't do no, don't do that. Do do top 10 United States military contractors versus?

• 1:45:35Danny Jones?

  What would be the other industry that could compete with that, you think?

• 1:45:39Speaker 02

  I mean, if you're just looking at market cap, just ask ChatGPT if any of the major defense contractors are in the top 10 corporations market cap wise. I don't think the answer is yes.

• 1:45:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I'd be curious to see what they would compete with and where they would stack with that.

• 1:46:00Speaker 02

  But so if, look, if someone cracked this kind of technology in the 40s, my point is, I think they would have used it to make a fortune. If they were a private company, if they were the government, I think they would have used it in other ways. I don't think that technology would, there's no, I don't understand any upside to that technology being completely hidden since the 40s. That doesn't make any sense to me.

• 1:46:29Danny Jones?

  You might be right. Anything, Steve? Major US defense contractors are generally not in the top 10 most valuable companies globally by market capitalization as of 2016, while firms like Lockheed Martin, RTX, formerly Raytheon, General Dynamics, Boeing, and Northrop Grumman are top tier defense revenue. They are smaller in market valuation compared to tech giants such as Apple, Microsoft, Nvidia, and Alphabet.

• 1:46:53Speaker 02

  Yeah. So it's just not, it's just not realistic. Like, you know, everyone I spoke to says that some of those defense contractors listed there are involved in this.

• 1:47:06Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:07Speaker 02

  They would just, they would be such bigger, more valuable companies if they had this technology for that long. I think they are involved in reverse engineering it now, and I think they're making massive breakthroughs. And maybe some of them are finally like there already in their black programs. But I do not believe that, you know, this is.

• 1:47:31Speaker 02

  Organic, human technological breakthroughs that we've had since the 40s. I call bullshit.

• 1:47:36Danny Jones?

  How many people do you think?

• 1:47:39Speaker 02

  Oh wait, here's the other point.

• 1:47:40Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:41Speaker 02

  Military pilots saw UAP during World War II.

• 1:47:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:47:48Speaker 02

  If we had that technology, don't you think World War II would have ended a lot quicker? You know, like would we have stayed in World War II?

• 1:47:57Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:47:57Speaker 02

  No, that's bonkers.

• 1:47:58Danny Jones?

  Right. Well, we probably hadn't figured out a way to harness it.

• 1:48:03Speaker 02

  There were orbs flying next to fighter pilots. Energy balls that were flying alongside them. They called them, they called them foo fighters. You know? If, if that was ours, if we had cracked this technology that allowed us to harness energy in a localized area and create these little crafts that flew within, you know, bright bubbles of, of energy.

• 1:48:24Danny Jones?

  Mm-hmm.

• 1:48:25Speaker 02

  Wouldn't we have won it? Use it to win World War II?

• 1:48:27Danny Jones?

  Right. What about the Tic Tac stuff?

• 1:48:30Speaker 02

  There's, there's no, there's absolutely no one who, who has any credibility that would say that was man-made.

• 1:48:39Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 1:48:40Speaker 02

  Yeah. We, we, we, a number of the people involved in, first off, Jay Stratton ran the investigation of the Tic Tac for the government. Like, he actually wrote the actual, the actual official report on it. He's the one who actually went and investigated it. And completely came to the conclusion that it was not man-made. Like, tried to, you know, assign it to some, you know, hidden program of ours and hoped that would be the case, you know? Wanted to be able to explain it.

• 1:49:12Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:49:13Speaker 02

  And, and couldn't. And that's the guy who would have had the job of knowing. So, prior to investigating UAP and non-human intelligent life for the government, he was the head of air and space warfare for the Defense Intelligence Agency. His literal job was to know what all of our black programs, not our classified programs, our black programs, our unacknowledged special access programs.

• 1:49:37Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:49:38Speaker 02

  What they were building.

• 1:49:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:49:39Speaker 02

  What was on their roadmap for 20, 30 years out, 20, 30 years out. In terms of air and space technology, it was literally his job. So like the analogy for him, you know, we talked about Hunt for October earlier. The analogy is like, remember Hunt for October? Alec Baldwin is an analyst at the CIA and his specialty is knowing everything about Russia's nuclear submarine program and everything about the leadership of that program. Like he is, that's his wheelhouse, right? Like he knows everything there is to know at a classified and on classified level about this one thing, right? So much so that in the movie, when James Earl Jones, the head of the CIA, gets a satellite photo of a submarine in Russia that he doesn't

• 1:50:24Speaker 02

  recognize and they want to know what it is, who do they go and ask? You know, they ask Baldwin and he knows what it is. He knows who the commander is. He knows everything about him, where at school, his relationship with his wife, everything, right? People like that exist within the intelligence community that have these specific lanes that they know everything about at a classified level and a non-classified level. And Jay's, Jay was that guy for air and space technology. And that is why he ended up in this investigation of UAP and not even a child in life, because one day, one of his colleagues walked into his office and said, hey, I gotta show you something and pulled him into a skiff and showed him a

• 1:51:04Speaker 02

  video that Air Force security guards had taken on a nuclear base of a triangle craft hovering above a nuclear weapon site and moving in ways that nothing does. And so they asked him, you know, please tell us this is one of ours. He had been read in on all the black programs developing advanced, you know, next gen technology for space and air. He was read in on those so that he could identify things that are ours versus things that are unknowns or potential threats. And it was clear to him that it wasn't.

• 1:51:44Speaker 02

  So that same guy ends up, you know, putting together OSAP with Jim Lukaski, which starts investigating this stuff. And then eventually that same guy runs the investigation of the Tic Tac. And there's just no way. We didn't, we didn't have that technology.

• 1:51:59Danny Jones?

  Right. I believe, I, I think I'm, I'm of the belief that it's multiple things going on. I'm sure it's shit that we have no idea what it is, some other civilization. I mean, I have no doubt there's got to be, there has to be intelligent life.

• 1:52:13Speaker 02

  Well, go back, go back to Tic Tac. If in 2004, if, if let's say that I saw the, you know, the conspiracy theory online, somebody, somebody claimed that that was Lockheed Martin technology. All right. If Lockheed Martin in 2004 had technology that could go from sea level to 80,000 feet, which is what the Tic Tac did, that's when you get into space, 80,000 feet, right? If they had technology that could go from sea level to space in like the blink of an eye and then do that all afternoon, they, they would be the most valuable company on the planet right now, 20 years later.

• 1:52:51Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:52:52Speaker 02

  It is impossible to accept the idea that they cracked that technology.

• 1:52:57Danny Jones?

  If they were publicly, public.

• 1:52:58Speaker 02

  They're not even in the top 100 market cap in the United States, much less the world.

• 1:53:04Danny Jones?

  Right. I mean, I'm saying if that technology was public, they would be for sure.

• 1:53:07Speaker 02

  No, they would be, if, even if it wasn't, if it, even if they had that technology, I mean, think about this realistically, I've thought about this from every angle. If they had that technology in 2004, even if it was highly classified, that would give them so much leverage, they, they would have never lost a defense contract to any other defense contractor, but in reality they did.

• 1:53:28Danny Jones?

  Unless there was, unless there was a handful of defense contractors who were close to it too, or doing the same stuff.

• 1:53:35Speaker 02

  It doesn't even matter. They would have so much leverage, there is no way they would not be a more valuable company. You'd be, you'd be sitting on the biggest technological breakthrough in the history of humanity.

• 1:53:47Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but how can you be more valuable when people aren't aware of what you have? If nobody with money or nobody knows what you really have, except for a very small group of people, where's the value?

• 1:53:57Speaker 02

  So in this conspiracy theory, the only way there would be any merit to it is if there was leadership in the government that, that knew this. Cause if they didn't, if, if Lockheed had Tic Tac technology in 2004 and no one in the government knew it, why would they keep it classified?

• 1:54:16Speaker 02

  Doesn't make any sense. They would only keep it classified if they had to, because there was government overseers that knew they had it. If, if there was no government overseers and they were the only, and they had actually cracked this technology in 04 and it was theirs, it wouldn't, they wouldn't, it wouldn't be classified. They would monetize it. They'd become the wealthiest company in the history of the world overnight.

• 1:54:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I'm not sure about that though.

• 1:54:36Speaker 02

  Hundred percent dude.

• 1:54:37Danny Jones?

  I'm not sure that they would want to monetize it. I'm sure there'd be more power in keeping it secret.

• 1:54:43Danny Jones?

  If they were developing something that was like

• 1:54:45Speaker 02

  How?

• 1:54:46Danny Jones?

  Change, it would change the way that modern physics is known. And if it's been getting siloed and kept secret since the 50s or the 40s.

• 1:54:55Speaker 02

  First of all, Lockheed Martin wasn't even around then.

• 1:54:57Danny Jones?

  No.

• 1:54:57Speaker 02

  You know, they bought up smaller companies over the years.

• 1:55:00Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 1:55:01Speaker 02

  Companies, a lot of the companies that they bought were involved in the legacy program early on, I've been told. Same with Northrop Grumman.

• 1:55:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah, but let me put it to you this way.

• 1:55:12Speaker 02

  It's just not realistic.

• 1:55:13Danny Jones?

  If I'm, if we're the American government, me and you run the American government, and we do have this technology, we do have this Tic Tac technology. Nobody knows about it except us, and we have all these adversarial nations around us as well. Do we want to tell them publicly that we do have this? Or do we want to put out this narrative that it's aliens and we don't know what it is?

• 1:55:32Speaker 02

  No, that, what I'm saying is follow that, that, that line of thought. If that was the case, then, if that was the case, and it led to in 2004, you know, a private contractor on behalf of the government, reverse engineered this technology and created something like the Tic Tac, right? If that was the case, then that means government overseers somewhere know about it, right? And so does Lockheed. In that dynamic, I personally believe Lockheed would have been able to leverage that dynamic to become a much bigger company by now. I do not believe you can have those set of, I just don't believe, it just sounds insane to me,

• 1:56:15Speaker 02

  that you can have those circumstances and not be at least in the top 10 market cap. By the way, I own Lockheed Martin stock. It'd be amazing. Like, it's a great company. It's a great company. It's a great company. But I just don't believe that. I, I, I, look, I think they and, you know, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to know who the biggest defense contractors are in the US, right? I think, I think those are the companies that our, our military relies on and our government relies on to try to build the most, you know, advanced beyond next generation technology. And I think that they have been involved and utilized in the legacy programs, efforts to reverse engineer this stuff, to understand it and reverse engineer it.

• 1:56:59Speaker 02

  But I do not think that they, that they made all this stuff from the beginning. I just, it just seems.

• 1:57:05Danny Jones?

  Do you think they have any technology that's secret that nobody in the public knows about?

• 1:57:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, for sure, for sure. And I think they leveraged it.

• 1:57:10Danny Jones?

  Just not this far.

• 1:57:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think they, I think that there has been a lot of success reverse engineering this stuff in recent years. That's what I think. But I do not think that, you know, this was all. These giant craft that military people see that that fly past that

• 1:57:29Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:57:29Speaker 02

  That that move underwater past our our submarines.

• 1:57:32Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:57:32Speaker 02

  That this is like

• 1:57:33Danny Jones?

  I'm with you, man.

• 1:57:34Speaker 02

  Stuff we made.

• 1:57:35Danny Jones?

  I think it's a lot. I think I think it's a a mixture of shit. And especially if you you have accounts of of people seeing this stuff in like antiquity.

• 1:57:43Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:57:44Danny Jones?

  You know, sailors on ships seeing these giant balls of light size of football stadiums coming out of the water.

• 1:57:49Speaker 02

  It's crazy.

• 1:57:49Danny Jones?

  That wasn't Lockheed.

• 1:57:50Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, exactly. And and but don't get me wrong. I don't want to like confuse the listeners. It's I do think that there are reverse engineered craft out there. I think China and Russia are neck and neck in a high stakes race and they're both making progress.

• 1:58:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:58:05Speaker 02

  I think, um, you know, in the film, intelligence officials refer to it as the Manhattan Project on steroids. I think that's real. Hal Puthoff says on on camera, he throws, he slides it into one of the interview pieces that I don't I don't know if enough people picked up on this, but he he he says, you know, some of the UAP activity we see might actually be a result of our legacy programs work. And some of it might be a result of China's program.

• 1:58:31Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:58:32Speaker 02

  So I think that there's a there's a lot of these like little nuggets that people might film or trying to share with the public to

• 1:58:39Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 1:58:39Speaker 02

  To say things without overtly saying them. And um, I think that those set of circumstances exist, but Tic Tac was a long time ago, man. It was a couple, couple decades ago. And I don't, I do not think that we we cracked that kind of technology back then. One of the scientists in the film, Eric Davis, um, he says the exact uh, number, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna try to uh, quote it, I don't remember exactly what he said, but he says he makes an analogy for the amount of energy that would have been required to go from sea level to 80,000 feet.

• 1:59:10Danny Jones?

  Oh, yeah.

• 1:59:11Speaker 02

  And back forth. And it was like, it was like something just completely

• 1:59:14Danny Jones?

  It was like, I I think I just watched it. So it was like, I think it was like the entire energy output of the entire continental United States times 100 or something.

• 1:59:22Speaker 02

  Something like that.

• 1:59:23Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 1:59:23Speaker 02

  We were just like, okay. Obviously, obviously, we don't, we we didn't have the ability to harness that much energy to localize an area above the ocean 20 years ago. You know.

• 1:59:34Danny Jones?

  Well, there was a lot of anti-gravity research going on in the United States, specifically around the University of North Carolina Chapel Hill in the 50s. Lots of physicists were like on the cusp and doing extensive, deep research on anti-gravity and electric gravity effects.

• 1:59:51Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:51Danny Jones?

  And these scientists went dark, like just completely stopped doing their research and all the research went underground.

• 1:59:58Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 1:59:59Danny Jones?

  So if that stuff started happening, getting siloed and hidden and underneath black projects in the 50s, who knows what they could have figured out by now. Certainly, it's certain that they have exponentially expounded on that research since then.

• 2:00:14Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:00:14Danny Jones?

  And like, even if you take like, you know, all the missing money in the US government, where Rumsfeld said right before 9/11 is there was like, what, $4 trillion that had gone missing off the books?

• 2:00:27Speaker 02

  Yeah, I think at that time it was like $2 trillion.

• 2:00:30Danny Jones?

  Yeah, and now it's a balloon to like $11 trillion or something, 20 something trillion.

• 2:00:35Speaker 02

  I do think that we might find out down the line that a lot of that unaccounted money has gone towards this technology race and funding this effort.

• 2:00:45Danny Jones?

  That's what Grush was tracking, right?

• 2:00:47Speaker 02

  Yeah, and look, the other thing that's worth saying is, you know, we just honed in on US defense contractors and did they have that? And my thesis is no, and if they did, they'd be a lot more valuable of companies right now. But that doesn't mean that there's not other private groups, you know, that don't have market caps that we aren't aware of, that, you know, are heavily invested in our current technologies and have been involved in reverse engineering stuff and are motivated to keep it private.

• 2:01:18Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:01:19Speaker 02

  Because they don't want their interests.

• 2:01:20Danny Jones?

  They don't want to disrupt their other interests.

• 2:01:21Speaker 02

  Their other interests, you know? There's total possibility for that. And numerous people I interviewed alluded to their coming to the conclusion that there is non-government, non-contractor money involved in this. And I never really got any details, not enough to be able to talk about.

• 2:01:44Speaker 02

  So maybe there's another hole hidden hand involved in this that we don't know about yet, but.

• 2:01:52Speaker 02

  You know, you brought up earlier, we, we, before we took a break, we were talking about consciousness and remote viewing. Yeah. And one of the more interesting stories, I wanted to circle back to, I met an intelligence official, we'll refer to as Scott, who was a high level intelligence official, mostly focused on counterterrorism, had a really high level career, and he ended up on a mission in the Middle East and came back, and he had an illness, and very long story short,

• 2:02:33Speaker 02

  they identified a parasite in his brain, and he had, he had a brain surgery to try to relieve swelling and try to save his life, and while he was recuperating from this brain surgery, he had an experience that he couldn't explain, where he felt like he had bi-located, like he felt like, while laying stationary, he went somewhere else, like he saw it all in his mind's eye, like he felt like he was somewhere else, and at first, he and his wife, just simply thought he was losing his mind from the brain surgery, like that he was, you know, it messed him up, and he was just like hallucinating, but then it happened

• 2:03:12Speaker 02

  again, and he started socializing this with some of his intelligence friends, and one of them said, what you're explaining is something called remote viewing, people are trained to do that, to use their mind's eye to go somewhere else, he had never even heard of remote viewing, so, sends him down this rabbit hole, and that friend of his connected him with someone who used to work for the CIA, who knows a lot about this, and that person asked him if he had ever had a UAP encounter, he said he didn't think so.

• 2:03:46Speaker 02

  The former CI official said, why don't you talk to your parents and ask them if anything happened when you were young? Scott's father had passed, so he talked to his mother and his mother actually, without missing a beat, was like, yeah, I remember when you were a kid. It was like, he was like six or seven or something like that. I really can't remember, it was under 10. Saw UFO and apparently it came out of a body of water, like a lake or a pond near their house. He witnessed it very close. He ran home and he told his parents about it. The mother reminds him, starts jogging his memory, that the day after this event, a couple guys from Air Force Office of Special Investigation showed up to talk to him. And the mom apparently said, you know, leave my kid alone, he's his kid.

• 2:04:30Speaker 02

  But the dad took him into the backyard with these two Air Force guys and they talked for a while and that was like the last the mom had heard of it. So she's like jogging Scott's memory. And then after that, it sent him down a little bit of a rabbit hole investigating his past. And he, again, long story short, I'm really summarizing here. Long story short, he found a collection of files that his father had and it was broken down by the years of his life, Scott's life. And, yeah, so it's like, Scott, year seven, Scott, year eight. And inside was his medical records and his education records.

• 2:05:12Speaker 02

  And then shockingly, he found enlistment paperwork in the US Air Force as a child, which he had absolutely no memory of. Imagine seeing that, you're like, is this like a made up document?

• 2:05:25Danny Jones?

  Do you remember what state he was in?

• 2:05:27Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:05:28Danny Jones?

  Can you say it or no?

• 2:05:30Speaker 02

  I probably shouldn't, I probably should keep those details. So this, so this, this, this guy in, in real life, Scott, is someone I was introduced to from someone in my film. And he is writing a tell all memoir right now. And Simon & Schuster is the publisher. And I don't know when it's going to be complete or when it's going to come out, but his full story is in this. And I've gotten to know him and his wife and his kids and spent a lot of time with them. And it is... Just the most bombshell singular story I've ever heard in my life.

• 2:06:10Speaker 02

  And not only did he find enlistment paperwork in the US Air Force, but he also found his discharge paperwork. And the service code on there, when he looked it up, was Space Communications Intelligence. And the base he was assigned to was the old Space Command Base at that time. Yeah. And then he, you know, like any reasonable, intelligent person would do, he kind of just went on a mission to like, try to piece together his past. And he started finding this massive cover up.

• 2:06:55Speaker 02

  In those records was was his excused absences from school for weeks at a time. He doesn't remember any of it. The school, when he contacted the school, the school's records were missing. There's all these other things about his past that as he started to look into, it became clear he was a part of something as a kid after this UAP event. And then it was all covered up and something caused him to forget all this. Then the brain surgery brought all these memories back. And then just to skip to sort of like the end of the story, when he started socializing this to some of his high level intelligence official friends,

• 2:07:39Speaker 02

  he found his life in jeopardy and there were a couple of attempts to end his life. And fortunately, that stopped. And now he's, you know, he's around to tell a story. But it's a remarkable story and likely it'll, it'll lead to us all learning about a part of our past that's been hidden. And, and these biological, the, the, the UAP encounter he had, maybe, I guess there's two ways you could look at it. Maybe the encounter left him with this ability. Like it gave him a biological effect that's

• 2:08:19Speaker 02

  gave him this ability to somehow use his mind in a way that, you know, average people don't. Maybe it just like turned on something that's in all of us already. Maybe it's sort of like heightened an ability that had been sort of like repressed or whatever, dormant.

• 2:08:36Speaker 02

  Those are kind of like, you know, the two, the two thoughts, right? But either way, it seems that event led to him being recruited into a program that, that, that worked with young people, kids that, that had encounters. I mean, clearly, it was a cause and effect, saw UAP, next day, the Air Force guy show up to talk to him about.

• 2:09:02Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:09:02Speaker 02

  So.

• 2:09:04Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the same thing happened in Rendlesham, right?

• 2:09:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, after, after the, there was an event at Rendlesham. So Rendlesham, for those that don't know, you know, Rendlesham, when people say Rendlesham, it's really referring to the Rendlesham Forest in the UK. There was a, there was a joint military UK base there in the eighties. It was called, I think it was called RAF Bentwaters. Steve, is that correct?

• 2:09:28Danny Jones?

  Sounds right.

• 2:09:28Speaker 02

  RAF Bentwaters? I think that was the name of the base. It was a joint UK-US base. At the time, in the eighties, it had the largest stockpile of nuclear weapons in Europe. Very specific set of circumstances, you know? And RAF Woodbridge? Yeah, okay. RAF, is it RAF Woodbridge?

• 2:09:49Speaker 03

  There are a couple of them, Bentwater and Woodbridge is another one.

• 2:09:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah.

• 2:09:54Danny Jones?

  Which one had the UFO incident?

• 2:09:57Danny Jones?

  Is your mic on or can we hear you talking on the mics or no?

• 2:10:01Speaker 03

  The events occur just outside of Woodbridge.

• 2:10:05Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:10:05Speaker 03

  UFO landings.

• 2:10:06Speaker 02

  So, simply put, there was a joint UK military base in this area of the English countryside. And at the time, they had this massive stockpile of nuclear weapons. And there was a UAP incident there where apparently multiple crafts came down from the sky one night and were hovering around the nuclear weapon sites, like right above where nukes were hidden underground. And a number of the base security guards and the base commander went out and saw these things in the woods around the base. And some of them got very close to them. One of them, one of these guards ended up having a lot of negative biological effects,

• 2:10:49Speaker 02

  heart issues and some other medical issues as a result of the contact with this technology, being close to it.

• 2:10:58Speaker 02

  And interestingly, also similar to the Scott story, the day after, a mysterious marked plane landed on the base, according to the base commander, who I spoke to personally. And people that identify themselves as being a part of Air Force Office of Special Investigation and of the CIA, talked to the witnesses, brought them into a private room, spoke to them, interrogated them, asked them a lot of questions. Years later, those witnesses told the base commander, many years later, told them that they were given some kind of serum. Now, whether that

• 2:11:42Speaker 02

  was to like erase memories, or like whether it was a truth serum, who knows?

• 2:11:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:11:46Speaker 02

  But they all told this base commander that that's, that's what happened. And there's a number of people who have had encounters on bases who then were promptly put in a room with people from Air Force Office of Special Investigation, OSI it's called, and people from the CIA, who basically just asked them a million questions and then ultimately told them never to talk about it. So, look, the Air Force and the CIA's role in this is well, well documented. People have been talking about it for years. But the, the overlap with consciousness, remote viewing.

• 2:12:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:12:28Speaker 02

  And this is, is a really interesting intersection, you know? And if you, and if you accept the fact that remote viewing is real, as crazy as it sounds, if you accept that it's real, then why would you, why would you stop, why would you, why would you draw a line there and be like, oh, that's where it stops? You can, you can remotely, you can, you can make your, your eyes, your eyes, your, excuse me, your mind's eye wander to a remote location, but you can't communicate remotely? It doesn't seem like that, it doesn't feel like a bridge too far for me.

• 2:12:57Danny Jones?

  There definitely seems to be a huge connection between this whole UFO phenomenon and the human mind, the human psyche. It seems to be an integral part, or a very important piece to this puzzle.

• 2:13:13Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:13:13Danny Jones?

  You know, that with the, combined with the fact that like, most UFO sightings happen with children.

• 2:13:22Danny Jones?

  You know, and there's just an unbelievable amount of UFO sightings that children report and at schools.

• 2:13:29Speaker 02

  There's a lot, oh, the aerials, the aerial school encounter, you know about this one?

• 2:13:34Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:13:35Speaker 02

  That's one of the most fascinating.

• 2:13:36Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:13:38Speaker 02

  This is covered very well, for those that don't know it, in the documentary, The Phenomenon, which James Fox directed. I had the opportunity to be one of the producers on it. By all means, James gets all responsibility for making that movie. That was his baby.

• 2:13:54Danny Jones?

  That was Phenomenon, the aerial school one?

• 2:13:56Speaker 02

  Yeah, The Phenomenon covered it at the very end.

• 2:13:58Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:13:58Speaker 02

  And James did an amazing job of, of, of covering that story in a little section at the end of the film. That's where I first learned about it. And essentially what happened is, I believe it was like 1992 or 1994.

• 2:14:12Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:14:13Speaker 02

  There was a school in, uh, in South Africa.

• 2:14:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:18Speaker 02

  In rural South Africa.

• 2:14:20Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:14:20Speaker 02

  And it was a international school. It was young, young kids from, from, um, actually a lot of European nations, people whose, um, parents were working in South Africa for some reason. And so it wasn't, it wasn't like local South African kids. It was like, and it was distinctly an international school.

• 2:14:38Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:14:38Speaker 02

  And, um,

• 2:14:41Speaker 02

  kids representing all, all parts of the world. And there was like one school day where there's a hundred something kids out in the backyard playing. They ranged in age, I think it was like six to 12 or something like that. And they all came running back to the school screaming, saying that there was a UFO in the, in the field that had landed and beings.

• 2:15:05Danny Jones?

  Telepathically communicating.

• 2:15:07Speaker 02

  And all these kids told the teachers the same thing. They all said, they described this craft landing. They described it being distorted around it like a blur. They described these beings being near the craft and how they seemed to move in weird ways, like almost like a blur. And they described them telepathically communicating with them.

• 2:15:29Speaker 02

  The message that these kids all got was that one, there's a clip of, there's an actual footage of one of these young girls.

• 2:15:38Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:38Speaker 02

  Like six or seven saying in her, in her kid vocabulary, she says, they told us, we mustn't get too technologued was the word she used, right? And, and, and, and that if we did, like, the, the world could burn and there'd be all this destruction.

• 2:15:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:15:56Speaker 02

  Right? So, an adult watching that, you, you take away the conclusion of saying, you know, you know, be careful about how we're progressing technologically and that it could lead to destruction. Right? It was, it was like a warning, right? And, um, that was the main takeaway from the communication these kids claimed to all, not all, but many of them experienced. All the kids described the same event though. And then now looking through the lens of, you know, what people reveal in, in my film, In the Age of Disclosure, about how the technology works, if a craft came down and it had a bubble around it, that, and, and beings got out of the craft, but they were still in the bubble, it would look like they're moving in slow motion, like these kids described, because they're in a different space time.

• 2:16:40Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:16:40Speaker 02

  Right? They're behind the bubble. The distorted, you know, look and the light they saw would all, would all check out with how this tech, with how the people in my film say this technology works. And then where the story gets even wilder is there was a very, um,

• 2:16:57Speaker 02

  very grounded, credible, hardened wartime news correspondent, who was the head of the BBC South Africa, who was stationed in South Africa and heard about this. I actually remember his name. It was, his name was Tim Leach.

• 2:17:12Danny Jones?

  Yes.

• 2:17:12Speaker 02

  And he heard about this and he went to go investigate it. At first, there's, there's footage of him talking about it, where he said, at first, I thought these kids must be out of their mind, or it's a big elaborate lie. They all got together and said they were gonna make up the story. So he goes and he investigates it and he said, after spending time, talking to each of these young kids and interviewing them, he was just completely, he completely came to the conclusion that they were all telling the truth, because kids just can't lie that good. Like little kids can't one-on-one tell all the same details as each other, one after another, like, it wasn't like five kids, it was like over a hundred kids. And, and, and, and so.

• 2:17:54Speaker 02

  He came to believe them, but at the same time, as a hardened, you know, as a serious journalist, he wanted to like bring in some kind of expert to tell him if these kids were all, you know, expert liars or crazy. So he, he, he phoned the, um, the head of child psychiatry at Harvard at the time, who was like, apparently the, the, the leading expert on child psychiatry in the United States at the time. His name was John Mack. So he calls him, he tells him about this event and asks him to come out to South Africa and interview the kids and tell them his conclusion. So Mack flies out to South Africa and he interviews these kids one at a time. He films the interviews and 100% takes away the fact that these kids are all telling the truth,

• 2:18:38Speaker 02

  that they all experienced what they're saying they experienced. And then years later, um, James Fox, uh, um, tracked down a bunch of these kids and he got them to do interviews for the phenomenon. And it's amazing. You see them, you see them talking as kids, intercut with them as adults, and they're saying the exact same thing. None of them have ever tried to monetize their story or become famous. If anything, they've just completely kept it to themselves. Um, one of them says she's actually never told her husband about it, like, just didn't want to like be, you know, make them think she's crazy or whatever. And it's just this wild story and the fact that these, these interviews exist that you

• 2:19:19Speaker 02

  can watch of these little kids talking. It's super moving. And yeah, man, James Fox did an amazing job putting that piece of the film together. And, um, you know, I was really grateful. He, you know, he brought me on to that project as a producer, um, towards the end of his process. And I was able to play a role in, in helping get the movie out there and, and the marketing of the movie and, and getting it out into the mainstream. But he did a hell of a job.

• 2:19:44Danny Jones?

  Also, Moment of Contact was fucking crazy.

• 2:19:46Speaker 02

  Oh yeah. Moment of Contact's a great movie. James, James is an awesome filmmaker and he's been ahead of the curve on this topic, you know? He started making films on this before people.

• 2:19:56Danny Jones?

  Yeah. Oh yeah. He's been doing this. He's been doing this for a long fucking time.

• 2:20:00Speaker 02

  Yeah. His first movie, uh, you know, uh, I think it was called Out of the Blue was a good one. And then I, you know. Second was, I know what I saw, right?

• 2:20:07Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm. I think so, yeah.

• 2:20:08Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:09Danny Jones?

  But, uh, yeah. Moment of contact was crazy because he was just interviewing random, everyday people in this, like bumfuck town in Brazil.

• 2:20:17Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:18Danny Jones?

  Who saw this creepy looking creature.

• 2:20:20Speaker 02

  He did the, he did the deepest dive.

• 2:20:22Danny Jones?

  And somebody actually died from it.

• 2:20:24Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:26Danny Jones?

  And then they all talk about these, like, all these, like, military people in Brazil are afraid to talk about it. They want to be anonymous, have their voices changed and all this stuff. There's one guy who wouldn't even talk, who threatened to shoot everybody who came on his property and likes, like, stories of Men in Black, the US Air Force plane landing, carting this thing off and then leaving, like.

• 2:20:45Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:45Danny Jones?

  That one is like, there's so much testimony, witness testimony that lines up so well. Even the, his new one has the, the surgeon of the hospital.

• 2:20:56Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:20:56Danny Jones?

  That one surgeon who, like, literally said he had a communication with this thing. And he said, like, he was explaining how when he was like, looking at this thing and it was communicating to him, it was just like, it made him want to cry because he just felt like overwhelming love.

• 2:21:10Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:21:10Danny Jones?

  From this thing.

• 2:21:11Speaker 02

  Super, super powerful story and James, James did the best deep dive ever on it. And I'll tell you, I have heard from some of my, my most trusted, uh, senior intelligence friends, intelligence community friends, including, you know, who we mentioned today, Jay Stratton, who, you know, co-ran OSAP and, and, and was director of the UAP Task Force. He, he and others have told me that they spoke to people from the Brazilian military, like very senior people, who shared with them evidence of this having happened. Medical reports, yeah, reports of the biological effects to civilians in that area.

• 2:21:57Speaker 02

  People that got zapped by, uh, this UAP in this event, this, this specific event.

• 2:22:05Speaker 02

  The Brazilian military did a massive investigation of it. And there's tons of evidence they, you know, they, the people I've come to trust, talk about it like an event that really truly happened and, and is well documented. And maybe, you know, most likely the US, the elements of the US government that have been covering this up, the folks involved in the LAX program, you know, likely had, had a role in covering it up and just, you know,

• 2:22:31Danny Jones?

  Sure.

• 2:22:32Speaker 02

  making sure it never, never made it to the public. You know, talking about James, James Fox and his filmmaking, um, just, you know, makes me, it's another reminder, like how important, um, civilian journalism is, you know? Like, we know about this stuff because, you know, some of us have made documentaries, you know? People like you and Joe Rogan are, you know, talking about it on podcasts, like, um, in the past, there wasn't enough people bringing attention to it. And because legacy media didn't bring any attention to it.

• 2:23:03Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:23:04Speaker 02

  And is largely controlled, um, people just didn't find out, you know? So I think it's, it's, it's, it's an exciting time for civilian journalism and documentaries and podcasts, because you can do these, you can do these deep dives and you can put out an independent film or you can put out an independent podcast and people, people will see it and learn about it. And it's also leading to more to come out, you know, like because James made that doc.

• 2:23:27Danny Jones?

  Like he's going.

• 2:23:27Speaker 02

  That doctor came out of the shadows and decided he would, he would, he would share his story.

• 2:23:32Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:23:32Speaker 02

  So it's like, bringing attention to the stuff actually leads to more coming out, you know?

• 2:23:37Danny Jones?

  And at the same time, there's also like, that's, that's like ballsy of him to do that, to do that investigation, to put that out there and not just ballsy of him, but it's like, it, it's a huge leap to go from government UFOs recorded on the radar of military fighter jets and unknown objects documented by the military to go all the way to, I communicated with a fucking alien in a hospital telepathically? Like that's, we've already, we've already gone past the UFO bridge. Like everyone can accept that UFOs are real. It's pretty much in like the zeitgeist now in common in, in America at least.

• 2:24:18Danny Jones?

  But like, I feel like it's going to take a lot more to get people to the, okay, we're telepathically communicating with these beings that are coming here and they're, it's some other.

• 2:24:32Danny Jones?

  Entity not human that is really technologically advanced and like

• 2:24:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:24:38Danny Jones?

  Even alien abductions, like, did any of the people that you talked to go that far to talk about like, talk about the actual beings?

• 2:24:45Speaker 02

  People did, people did. I chose to leave it out of the film because I just felt like for the average person who hasn't spent any time learning about this, it's just a bridge too far.

• 2:24:57Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:24:57Speaker 02

  It's just hard for them to wrap their head around.

• 2:24:59Danny Jones?

  It's hard to, it's a jagged pill to swallow.

• 2:25:00Speaker 02

  And I think it, I think it will, it makes a lot of people discount the other stuff. And so I think my, my, ultimately, obviously, you saw the film, ultimately where I came out on it was to have the film cover the base facts of the high level situation and not get into that, which would be sort of like the next bridge for the audience to get.

• 2:25:27Danny Jones?

  Right, right, right, right.

• 2:25:28Speaker 02

  It could be in a follow up film, it could be in a spin off, could be in something else I'd do. But there's just already so, the, the base facts are already

• 2:25:40Speaker 02

  is already so extraordinary, you know, and such a departure from people's everyday life that I felt that was enough, you know?

• 2:25:49Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:25:49Speaker 02

  And I actually had, in one cut of the movie, I did have a little like three or four minute scene that touched on, it wasn't abductions, but touched on the personal experiences some of the US government officials had at their homes after investigating this. So one of the wild things I learned was that as people involved in investigating this.

• 2:26:25Speaker 02

  For the government, looked into non-human intelligent life. It seems non-human intelligent life started looking into them. The analogy that they, you know, used to wrap their head around what was happening is they would say, "Look, if Russia sends a spy to DC to spy on members of our Congress, our intelligence community spies on the Russian spy." You know, like, "We look into them because they're looking into us." And so these intelligence officials just sort of like applied that logic to what was happening to them. They started looking into non-human intelligent life in UAP for the government, and all of a sudden, they were having activity at their houses. Orbs in their homes, in front of their wives.

• 2:27:08Speaker 02

  In some cases, crafts, like, straight-up UFOs within eyesight of their homes. That's covered in a lot of my interviews. And I ended up putting it into like a three or four-minute scene in an early cut of the movie. And when I did test screenings, small test screenings with trusted friends, time and time again, at the end, when I would say, I would ask general questions like, you know, "Did it change your perspective on all this? The ideas you had going into watching the movie, are they the same after watching the movie?" Those kind of just headline questions. And I always would say, "Was there anything that you found hard to accept and believed to be true?"

• 2:27:53Speaker 02

  And every single time, it was that sequence. It was that sequence in the film that people had problems with. There was just something about it that was a bridge too far. And I would even ask, you know, ask the obvious follow-up questions, you know, I'd say, "Well, the person telling that story, didn't the previous part of the film establish their credibility?" And they'd say, "Yeah, yeah, it did, for sure, 100%." And I'd be like, "Then why do you find it hard to believe what they're saying in this scene?" And it was just something about these people sharing their own personal experience that happened in their own home, that becomes a bridge too far for people. Whereas, that same intelligence official saying what they learned when investigating,

• 2:28:37Speaker 02

  and what they uncovered, is totally...

• 2:28:41Speaker 02

  digestible to the audience. So I just decided to take that scene out.

• 2:28:45Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:28:46Speaker 02

  This is the long story short.

• 2:28:46Danny Jones?

  Yeah, the normies aren't ready.

• 2:28:47Speaker 02

  You know, exactly. And I don't know what that is. I don't know what part of like human psychology makes that like a bridge too far for people. One of the interesting things in the film is Rubio and Clapper, we talked about two guys we talked about today. They both say in the film, they talk about how it's difficult for people to wrap their head around something they haven't personally experienced. Or to or prepare themselves for something I've experienced. It's something in the human psyche.

• 2:29:10Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:11Speaker 02

  That does that. And that's actually something that they are concerned about. They're concerned that collectively, we as a nation won't properly prepare for what's happening right now. And and and and um, put the right brain power towards it because we haven't experienced it yet. And Rubio makes points about um, there being several examples of that blowing up in our face. Like we never imagined terrorists would fly, you know, come to the homeland and learn to fly commercial airplanes and use it against us in a terrorist attack.

• 2:29:43Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:29:43Speaker 02

  Until they did. And we never, you know, imagined the Japanese would be able to, you know, strike us at Pearl Harbor with their missiles and get their missiles through the straits, but until they did. And so there's histories full of these examples of of of us not preparing for or wrapping our head around things we haven't experienced yet. And then sometimes that leads to a strategic surprise that, as he says in the film, could change the course of human history. And and so there's this, it is interesting. And I found I found it really informative when I was doing these test screenings of earlier cuts. Where that bridge is for people, where it just goes a bridge too far.

• 2:30:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah, that's interesting.

• 2:30:19Speaker 02

  But I did certainly hear a lot of incredible stories. And from where I was sitting, it's the guy doing all the interviews. There was so much overlap. You it was like.

• 2:30:29Danny Jones?

  Tell me what you heard about the aliens.

• 2:30:30Speaker 02

  So. Talk to um. Several people who worked on nuclear weapons bases who had seen a UAP on the base, like been part of an event that multiple people witnessed with them, and then in the coming days had subsequent events when they were off the base where they encountered UAP and then not human beings.

• 2:30:56Danny Jones?

  Oh, they encountered beings at their homes?

• 2:30:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. Or honestly, those cases, the nuclear weapons stories, were actually not homes. It happened in various...

• 2:31:04Danny Jones?

  Just not at work.

• 2:31:05Speaker 02

  Yeah, not at work. One, one story that did happen on a base, though, and I didn't include this in the film, but I did, I have it, maybe I'll, maybe I'll release it one day.

• 2:31:17Danny Jones?

  Yeah, with your director's cut.

• 2:31:18Speaker 02

  Or like, maybe, you know, I've been thinking about, not to digress, but I've been thinking about maybe doing a DVD, a Blu-ray with special features on it.

• 2:31:28Danny Jones?

  I like it.

• 2:31:29Speaker 02

  Deleted scenes. When I was a kid, I used to love buying DVDs that had deleted scenes.

• 2:31:34Danny Jones?

  Keep it off the internet, just make it a DVD.

• 2:31:36Speaker 02

  Yeah, put it on DVD, people can have it, hold on to it, you know?

• 2:31:39Danny Jones?

  That's a good idea.

• 2:31:40Speaker 02

  I still collect DVDs personally.

• 2:31:42Danny Jones?

  Do you?

• 2:31:43Speaker 02

  I like physical media, yeah. I have, I have a few draws of DVDs in alphabetical order, like a lunatic.

• 2:31:50Danny Jones?

  That's awesome.

• 2:31:52Speaker 02

  But, yeah, I think I might do that one day. But so, one of these interviews I did was an Air Force security guard on a nuclear weapons base, had an encounter where him and his partner saw a UAP over a nuclear weapons site, and then what happened after that was he said that a bright light came from the UAP and hit this vehicle that him and his partner were in.

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• 2:33:20Speaker 02

  And they basically became like, you know, catatonic, like frozen, they couldn't move. And he said out of the corner of his eye, he saw three non-human beings approaching the car. And he said he was terrified and his heart started to race. And he thought he was gonna have a freaking heart attack. He thought his like heart was gonna like leap out of his chest. And then he just blacked out. And when he woke up, his vehicle was no longer where it was in front of the, the, uh, the nuke, um, site. He was now at the bottom of a reservoir that was on the backside of the base that you couldn't physically drive down to. The truck was just there. It had been relocated.

• 2:34:03Speaker 02

  And he came to and his partner was still basically catatonic in shock, couldn't move. He was like gripping the steering wheel, he said. And, um, over the base, over the radio, he heard like his colleagues looking for him still. And he looked at his watch and hours had passed. And he called in saying, saying where they were and, you know, as crazy as it was, he's like, this is where we are. And apparently they came and got them. And then when they brought them back to the base, apparently they were separated and Air Force Office of Special Investigation and CIA were there and essentially interrogated them both, asked them a million questions. They sent them both to the hospital after.

• 2:34:48Speaker 02

  They checked them, um, for radiation damage. They checked their gums and other, other medical tests you would do if someone was near, something that gave off a lot of energy that you knew would cause biological effects, you know? And then... They were told never to talk to each other again. And the partner was shipped out to another country very quickly, soon after that.

• 2:35:14Danny Jones?

  Whoa.

• 2:35:15Speaker 02

  Yeah. And what's wild about that is I interviewed other people who didn't know, another person who didn't know this guy, and he had a very similar story that went down on a different base in a different decade. And then the aftermath was like almost exactly the same. Him and his, that guy was in another vehicle. He had a partner. They were separated, told never to talk to each other again. Same Air Force Office of Special Investigation, CIA, asking the questions. And then one of them was shipped to a base in Japan. This is all, this, both these stories we're saying is, you know, before the internet,

• 2:35:58Speaker 02

  before email and, you know, social media and all that. So like, you know, by telling someone, don't talk to each other, and then sending them to, you know, sending one of them to another country, you're really like cutting down on communication and people socializing it and have a better chance of it just like, kind of like going away, you know?

• 2:36:16Danny Jones?

  Did you film those?

• 2:36:17Speaker 02

  Yeah, I filmed all those.

• 2:36:18Danny Jones?

  Testimonies?

• 2:36:18Speaker 02

  Yeah, I filmed those. And they're really chilling. And each time, each of those interviews,

• 2:36:27Speaker 02

  you can really feel, when they're going back in their mind of these memories, you could feel how much it like stresses them out. Like, it's like dramatic. One guy, when he's telling the story, actually, I noticed his like knee was like, like shaking. And like, like, you know, when you're thinking about something really dramatic, and it's just like, going so fast that I, I actually stopped the interview and I was like, hey, man, you want to like, you want to take a, you need to take a break, you know?

• 2:36:52Danny Jones?

  How much detail did he give you on like, what the beings looked like?

• 2:36:55Speaker 02

  He said one was a really tall humanoid being, and then there was other shorter, smaller beings that looked different with him. And he said that-

• 2:37:04Danny Jones?

  One looked more human.

• 2:37:06Speaker 02

  Tall, very tall, he said. Humanoid.

• 2:37:10Speaker 02

  And then smaller ones that did not look the same. And um, and he said that the tall one had, you could see in the corner of his eye, had what looked like a cattle prod, like a device in its hand that was like a, like a pole. And the only reference point he had was cattle prod. I do remember that, yeah. Yeah. There's all this overlap in these stories and

• 2:37:36Speaker 02

  you know, a lot of them, um, a lot of them happened in, um, in different, they happened in different years and like the circumstances, um,

• 2:37:49Speaker 02

  there's also like a lot of, there's a lot of like, um,

• 2:37:54Speaker 02

  you got, I, I personally think there's a difference between Travis, the difference between Travis Walton and these guys to me is these guys were trusted enough to work on nuclear weapons bases. They were placed in positions of authority as security forces on a nuclear weapons base.

• 2:38:14Danny Jones?

  They have to be.

• 2:38:15Speaker 02

  Also during the Cold War.

• 2:38:16Danny Jones?

  They have to be proven psychologically sound to be in charge of those places.

• 2:38:20Speaker 02

  And I think like, if we put ourselves in the context of history, like during the Cold War, there would have, there would have been even more, um, thoughtfulness put towards who gets those jobs, you know? And so, um, yeah, it really made an impact on me. Uh, I just felt for this film, you know, i- i- it was a bridge too far and we could get to that point next, you know? I think I, I was really trying to make a movie that was not just for people who are already completely immersed in this topic and interested in it, you know? I wanted to make it for the everyman so that the average person could understand this is a real and serious situation. And I do feel like that mission was accomplished, um, especially in how it led to this directive from Trump.

• 2:39:05Speaker 02

  I feel like the average person seeing thirty-four really credible military government intelligence officials and people like Rubio and Sinarounds and Chillerbrand and White House National Security Council members alongside generals and admirals. I do think it just makes an, like a massive impact on people, the average person. You know, when I think about like my folks in Jersey in their mid seventies, like who've never watched any documentary on this topic. You know, then they watch this and like all of a sudden like, what? This is real. You know, you think about those normal people, the normies, as you said, um. Not who I was making the movie for. And I think now that the average person is aware that this is real, I think we can get to those other, you know, content, whether it's documentaries,

• 2:39:45Speaker 02

  or whether it's scripted movies, or whether it's, um, whether it's just, you know, news program specials.

• 2:39:52Danny Jones?

  Yeah, I'm sure there's so many more branches and so many more storylines that you could have followed and you can make, you know, movies about all of those individually.

• 2:39:59Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'd like to. I really, I enjoyed making the film and I enjoyed the process of like making, making an impact. I do think.

• 2:40:06Danny Jones?

  The problem with it is like when you're doing that kind of thing, and I've done it before, it's like, there's so much good shit you gotta delete.

• 2:40:13Speaker 02

  Oh, yeah. This, this was the hardest creative process of my entire life. You know, I've been, as a producer, I've, I've, um, I've built from the ground up a bunch of movies and TV shows, you know, including Ready Player One. I developed that from the very beginning when it was, you know, we just had the book to start with, the, the book by Ernest Cline. Um, and developing movies and TV shows is, is, is hard. It's a, it's a process. It's a hard creative process. Um, but this was the hardest creative process because, you know, there was, there was a, you know, there could have been a four and a half, five hour version of this movie.

• 2:40:47Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:40:48Speaker 02

  That 10 people would have watched because it would have been too long, you know? Um, but, um.

• 2:40:53Danny Jones?

  More than 10 people would have watched it.

• 2:40:54Speaker 02

  Yeah, more than 10, more than 10 people to watch it. But, you know, there's a huge population of, uh, that will not watch a movie if it's over two hours.

• 2:41:01Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:02Speaker 02

  You know, or they'll doze off, or they'll.

• 2:41:03Danny Jones?

  You could, you could have done it in like three parts or something.

• 2:41:05Speaker 02

  Then it's a series and series. I don't think series have the same cultural impact as movies.

• 2:41:10Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:41:10Speaker 02

  They just don't.

• 2:41:11Danny Jones?

  I agree.

• 2:41:11Speaker 02

  They don't have the same staying power. They're not as evergreen. Um, and, um, you know, a standalone movie, it's a lot to ask someone to watch a whole series. You know, if you ask your friends honestly, how many series they start and don't finish, it's, it's gonna be.

• 2:41:24Danny Jones?

  And then you gotta do the whole thing with the cliffhangers, get them into the next episode and all that.

• 2:41:28Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I had the thought, of course, but then I was just like, no, that's just not gonna make the same impact. But a movie, you know? Yeah, someone tells you, someone, you know, I see it all the time. People say, my friend told me to watch the disclosure and like, you know, I went home and I watched it that night. Like you can do that. You can, you can accomplish that mission in under two hours. You can watch this movie. You can completely learn the lay of the land. You can now be able to talk about it. You can now know what's real, what's not real.

• 2:41:51Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:41:52Speaker 02

  You can't do that with a series. No one's gonna.

• 2:41:54Danny Jones?

  When you did Ready Player One, how much interaction did you have with Spielberg?

• 2:41:57Speaker 02

  A lot.

• 2:41:58Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:41:58Speaker 02

  Yeah. I mean, first off, uh, like I said, I think he's the greatest director of all time. No one, no one inspired me more.

• 2:42:08Speaker 02

  Not only, uh, to become interested in this topic because of movies like E.T. and Close Encounters, but also to get into filmmaking. I remember when I was a kid and, um, I became obsessed with, with E.T. and Close Encounters. I remember reading about how he made, uh, short films as a kid in like middle school and high school.

• 2:42:28Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:42:29Speaker 02

  On sixteen millimeter film and eight millimeter film. And he used him and his, uh, uh, you know, he did like, he wore a bunch of hats. He would like edit them and direct them and improve some. And then his friends would be in them. Um, his family members would be in them. And so I was inspired to do the same thing. So like, I didn't, I didn't have any, we didn't have a lot of money growing up. Um, you know, normal like, you know, middle class in Jersey. And, um, so I saved up shoveling snow in the winter and, uh, you know, mowing lawns in the summer.

• 2:43:00Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:43:00Speaker 02

  Um, to buy, uh, a camera, a super eight camera and a sixteen millimeter camera and to buy film. And a little splicing machine, a little editing splicing machine. Like before digital editing, you literally had to like cut the, the film, right?

• 2:43:14Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:43:15Speaker 02

  And so, uh,

• 2:43:18Speaker 02

  I wrote, directed, produced and edited these little short films that my neighborhood buddies would, would, would star in.

• 2:43:25Danny Jones?

  Hmm.

• 2:43:26Speaker 02

  One of my best friends, shout out to Phil DeJordet and Dan Gomez. Um, yeah, they, uh, my buddies, uh, growing up would, would play these roles out of him.

• 2:43:36Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:43:36Speaker 02

  Um, a few times I convinced like local police department guys, uh, to participate. And, uh, we would do, I remember one. This is actually hilarious. There's this one short film I made where two buddies of mine, Phil and Dan, they they rob a 7-Eleven and it's like in the movie in this little short. And it's just like a it's like a heist, little three minute heist, right? And I wanted a police car chase. So at the time I was working at the the local pizzeria, working the counters, like, I think it's like probably freshman year in high school.

• 2:44:09Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:44:10Speaker 02

  The cops came in and they'd always eat really cheap. The rule was the owner would let us charge cops 10 bucks for no matter what they eat. They could get $30 worth of food, 10 bucks. And so they liked us. And I remember I asked Officer Tim Durkin, shout out to Officer Tim Durkin. I remember asking him, I say, hey, will you will you participate in this police chase in my short film? And the guy did it. He did it. And I sped up the film, you know, you can speed up film, right? So he was going fast, but I made him look like he was going really fast. And he's peeling around corners in our little suburban Jersey neighborhood. Absolutely hilarious. And he got really into it. We had this great camera movement at the end where like at the end, like when the when the two thieves get away, he like slams on his brake, hops out of his car and like the camera like moves around the door like

• 2:44:55Speaker 02

  and he just looks like a badass. And he loved it. And he had a great time. And when I go home for the holidays to my little Jersey town, I often bump into him at the local bar and he always brings it up. He's like, man, that was awesome. So I had all these, I like, I tried to add like production value to all the things I did as a kid while I was making these short films.

• 2:45:14Danny Jones?

  Yep.

• 2:45:15Speaker 02

  And try to make it, you know, I kept viewing each one as a challenge. Like I would get a police car chase or I'd get like the local EMTs, the ambulances to like, you know, show up in a scene and like, but I was very inspired by Spielberg to do all that, like reading about him, the fact that he did that as a kid is what made me want to do as a kid.

• 2:45:31Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:45:32Speaker 02

  And yeah, I made I made like a, I probably made like a dozen short films on Super 8 and 16 throughout middle school and high school. And it really cemented, you know, my my desire to get into the movie business and and make it a career, you know? And then so years later, when we developed Ready Player One, so the way that started is Ernie Klein wrote the book, amazing book. He's an amazing author. And and I started collaborating with him and we I set it up as a producer, I set it up at Warner Brothers, got them on board to fund the the development of it and pay for the adaptations to be written.

• 2:46:13Speaker 02

  And that process started in 2010, a year before the book came out. And then the book came out and became this big, you know, sensation, instant bestseller.

• 2:46:25Speaker 02

  And we continued developing the screenplay. And then it got to the point in spring of 2015, we had a draft that we all loved and the studio loved and we needed a director and we brought it to Spielberg and he loved the script and he read the book and loved the book. And I remember learning at the time that his wife had coincidentally just listened to the audiobook on her morning walks. And so she had been talking about it coincidentally and then we offered it to him and it's kind of like, you know, he's here.

• 2:46:55Danny Jones?

  Meant to be.

• 2:46:55Speaker 02

  Yeah, he was hearing from multiple people how wonderful the book was and yeah, and then so he came on board spring of 15 and everything got fast tracked. We started pre-production end of 15, we shot in 16 in the UK in the English countryside. Warner has a studio called Leavesden and it's about an hour, hour and a half out of London. And we shot there in 2016 and then it was in post-production throughout all of 2017. And then it came out March of 2018. And we premiered it at the South by Southwest Film Festival, opening weekend, Sunday afternoon of 2018. And that's relevant because a really cool thing for me was when when my movie, The Age of Disclosure was done,

• 2:47:40Speaker 02

  we also premiered it in the exact same slot, Sunday afternoon, opening weekend of South by Southwest Film Festival. And we premiered in the same theater, Paramount Theater in Austin. The historic Paramount Theater, it's like an 1100 seat theater and it was pretty surreal for me.

• 2:47:55Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:47:56Speaker 02

  Being on stage introducing the movie, while I have this memory of sitting in the audience, watching Spielberg introduce Ready Player One in the same same place in

• 2:48:03Danny Jones?

  That's pretty incredible, dude.

• 2:48:04Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah. What's even weirder, like kind of a glitch in the matrix.

• 2:48:09Speaker 02

  It was South by Southwest Film Festival 2006 that I met Ernest Cline, who wrote Ready Player One. So this all kind of happened within a couple of blocks of each other, which is kind of weird.

• 2:48:21Danny Jones?

  That's wild.

• 2:48:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, it's wild, yeah. But no, Spielberg's had a huge influence on me and, you know.

• 2:48:27Danny Jones?

  Have you ever talked to him about this whole topic, this alien UFO?

• 2:48:30Speaker 02

  Just a little bit on, on set, making the movie, yeah. You know, he, uh.

• 2:48:34Danny Jones?

  He's got a new movie coming out.

• 2:48:35Speaker 02

  Yeah, he's got, he's got, he's got Disclosure Day coming out in June, and I think it's gonna make a huge impact. I think the one, it's like a one-two punch, I think. Like, this documentary makes people realize how real this is and how serious it is. And then you get like a big popcorn movie from like the greatest filmmaker ever that, you know, shows a grounded story dealing with this. I think the combined impact of that is gonna really open people's minds. I mean, if me watching Close Encounters as a kid and E.T. as a kid led to me having this lifelong interest in eventually making this documentary.

• 2:49:06Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:49:06Speaker 02

  What is the combined impact of my doc and his film gonna do for someone else, you know?

• 2:49:11Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:49:11Speaker 02

  Or for other people or for the collective, you know?

• 2:49:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:14Speaker 02

  Um, so I think, I think movies, man, make

• 2:49:19Speaker 02

  a bigger impact on culture than anything else.

• 2:49:22Danny Jones?

  Totally.

• 2:49:22Speaker 02

  I really believe that. And I think you get, especially in this day and age where everyone's so ADD and looking at a million things on their social media scrolls, like movies are those, is like, you know, in rare air in that like, you get someone's focused for like an hour and a half to two hours. That's what they're focused on, you know? And it makes an emotional impact on them.

• 2:49:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:49:45Speaker 02

  They learn something from it. They take something away from it. It makes them think about things they hadn't thought about. Um, yeah, it's a, it's a powerful, it's a powerful force, a movie, I think. And so.

• 2:49:56Danny Jones?

  Especially when you like, really have to invest in it, you know? Like, when you had to get in the car, drive there, go sit down, you know, buy your popcorn, buy your soda, sit down, put your phone away, make sure your phone's on silent, you know, like, the fact that we don't do that anymore is kind of sad. Because that's like, you're, you're so locked in when you're, when you're there and you're, you're that invested in it. You've committed that much time to doing it. And now it's just like, oh, we watch half of them on our phone, half of them on our laptop at night. We split it into multiple days because we don't have fucking time.

• 2:50:26Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:50:26Danny Jones?

  And, um.

• 2:50:29Danny Jones?

  Oh, man, I don't know where that goes, but.

• 2:50:31Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, it's like it's. I do too. I do too. The um, but making that movie, making Ready Player One, um, I gotta say, you know, for a guy who's the most successful person in the history of Hollywood, right?

• 2:50:44Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:50:45Speaker 02

  Uh, he was very sweet and he was very cool, you know, I was, you know, I'm a young producer now, I was a younger producer then, and he was still super cool and welcoming and, you know, when a, when a, when a, when a big director's making a, a big movie, like, it's their set, right? It's their set and they, they got a job to do and like, you know, anyone else there, like, they have to be cool with and they have to be welcoming and they, they have to be okay with it, right? And he was always cool about that.

• 2:51:16Danny Jones?

  Does he shoot?

• 2:51:18Speaker 02

  What do you mean?

• 2:51:18Danny Jones?

  Like, is he a shooter director?

• 2:51:19Speaker 02

  A cinematographer? No, no, no, no, he has, he has go to cinematographers.

• 2:51:23Danny Jones?

  Okay.

• 2:51:24Speaker 02

  One of the.

• 2:51:25Danny Jones?

  Some directors like to use the cameras.

• 2:51:27Speaker 02

  The one he uses the most is, um, Kaminsky, who shot our movie.

• 2:51:31Danny Jones?

  Uh huh.

• 2:51:31Speaker 02

  Amazing cinematographer, also a great guy, um, and it was, uh, it was, it was, I mean, put yourself in my shoes, man, I mean, literally my favorite filmmaker since I was a kid, and the biggest influence on me.

• 2:51:45Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 2:51:46Speaker 02

  And I'm getting to be on set with him, making a movie that I developed, right? The script I developed.

• 2:51:50Danny Jones?

  That's pretty, that's pretty incredible.

• 2:51:51Speaker 02

  I thought I was like, it felt like a kid in a candy store. And, um, but he was very cool and, um, I remember actually, uh, one day, uh, early on in making that movie, um, myself and, uh, Ernie Klein were in, in the lunch line with the crew, just filling up a plate of food. We're pretty far down the line, I'd filled a full plate of food, and Steven's assistant came up behind us and was like, uh, hey, guys, I, I, I don't want to interrupt you, but, um, you know, no pressure, I remember saying, no pressure, but, uh, Steven's having lunch by himself right now, I wanted to know if you guys wanted to join, but no pressure. We both like instantly just dropped our plates, we're like, let's go, let's go. We don't need lunch.

• 2:52:34Danny Jones?

  We don't need lunch.

• 2:52:35Speaker 02

  And then, uh, and then like, that was a great memory. I remember he, he was telling us like, he was just like, you know, he was the coolest version of himself. We, uh, we, he was telling us stories about Jurassic Park and Jaws and

• 2:52:47Danny Jones?

  That's amazing.

• 2:52:48Speaker 02

  We were just sitting there with our jaws on the floor.

• 2:52:50Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:52:52Speaker 02

  Remember literally walking away from that lunch and being like, I cannot fucking believe that that just happened, you know?

• 2:52:56Danny Jones?

  That's wild.

• 2:52:57Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 2:52:58Danny Jones?

  Fun fact, I was a production assistant or a camera production assistant on a movie with the cinematographer who did Independence Day. The DP of Independence Day.

• 2:53:07Speaker 02

  It's amazing movie.

• 2:53:07Danny Jones?

  That's the closest I've ever gotten anything cool like that.

• 2:53:10Speaker 02

  I love that movie, man. And now, now, now I look back at that movie differently. You know, there's that great scene where, um, Bill Pullman, who plays the president.

• 2:53:18Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:53:19Speaker 02

  He says, uh, some line basically essentially saying, uh, someone brings up the idea that like our government has a secret UFO alien program. And he says some line like, you know, ah, that's all, that's all conspiracy. That's all bullshit. And then the guy who plays the head of the CIA, an actor named James Redborn, who's, uh, passed away, actually lived in my hometown. He played the head of the CIA and he, he has a famous line from the movie where he goes, he's like, well, sir, that's not exactly true. And then, and then boom, they're at Area 51.

• 2:53:51Danny Jones?

  I want to see who that was. Like, I'm not, it's not ringing a bell right now.

• 2:53:53Speaker 02

  So James Redborn's the tall guy, uh, white hair. He was in The Talented Mr. Ripley. He's in a lot of movies. He was in The Game. Remember The Game, Michael Douglas?

• 2:54:02Speaker 02

  That's an amazing movie, by the way. The Game.

• 2:54:05Danny Jones?

  Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. Okay.

• 2:54:07Speaker 02

  Yeah, really great.

• 2:54:08Danny Jones?

  Oh dude, yeah, he was great.

• 2:54:09Speaker 02

  He played, you never saw The Game with Michael Douglas?

• 2:54:12Danny Jones?

  It's been a long time. I have seen it. I have.

• 2:54:15Speaker 02

  That movie is bonkers. Um, he, yeah, he played the, the guy in The Game.

• 2:54:19Danny Jones?

  I remember that now.

• 2:54:20Speaker 02

  The fake boss.

• 2:54:21Danny Jones?

  I remember that now.

• 2:54:21Speaker 02

  But he, remember him being like, Mr. President, that's not exactly true.

• 2:54:24Danny Jones?

  That's not exactly true, yeah.

• 2:54:26Speaker 02

  It's so good.

• 2:54:27Danny Jones?

  Yeah, dude.

• 2:54:28Speaker 02

  I remember that. I remember watching that moment and being like, oh, this is so awesome. And then, and then next you know, they're at Area 51 and then Judd Hirsch, who plays, um,

• 2:54:35Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 2:54:36Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But do you remember like the, the bit at Area 51 where they're like, They're like, who pays for all this stuff? When they show the hangar with the UFO and stuff? They're like, they're like, who funds all this stuff? And then someone's like, you really think a toilet seat costs $5,000? Like, so basically, like, basically saying that like, there's all these

• 2:54:56Danny Jones?

  I forgot about that!

• 2:54:57Speaker 02

  Basically saying there's all these line items in DOD's budget that actually go towards something else. That's like, that's what they were saying.

• 2:55:05Danny Jones?

  Oh my god, dude.

• 2:55:06Speaker 02

  It was like the popcorn movie way of saying, like, misappropriated funds.

• 2:55:10Danny Jones?

  Wow, they're just hiding it all in fucking movies. I gotta go back and watch that movie.

• 2:55:13Speaker 02

  It's a really good movie, man.

• 2:55:14Danny Jones?

  It really is. But like, going back, like, after like, everything we know now, and going back and watching some of that shit, is like, can be eye-opening.

• 2:55:22Speaker 02

  Yeah, totally. That's why I said about the Abyss.

• 2:55:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:55:26Speaker 02

  Go back and watch James Cameron's Abyss, you know? And then he went down this whole, you know, the Avatar movies and dealing with life from elsewhere and, you know, I think he was ahead of his time, for sure.

• 2:55:40Danny Jones?

  There was a story-

• 2:55:40Speaker 02

  Spielberg was ahead of his time, obviously.

• 2:55:41Danny Jones?

  There was a story, speaking of the Abyss, there was a story that you, that you left out. I heard about some guy recovering a vehicle out of the ocean or something?

• 2:55:48Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the people I talked to who wouldn't go on camera, he was a special forces guy who had been involved in a UAP event. And, it's a long story, but the, the summary is,

• 2:56:06Speaker 02

  when we, when we test missiles,

• 2:56:10Speaker 02

  there's a couple of ways we test missiles, so it's not generally speaking. But, one of the ways we test missiles,

• 2:56:16Speaker 02

  we shoot them out into the ocean, they drop into the ocean, they go far distance, then they drop into the ocean, and then we send special forces teams to go recover them. Usually like Navy SEALs, they'll just go recover the missile. They put it on a, some kind of like a recovery system, and they, they bring it up into a chopper, take it back, and then they pull all the data from it for their test, like, you know, how it performed. So that's just like a thing we do. And so, one of these tests happened, and the recovery was happening, and this, this guy was in the water with a couple of his colleagues, and they had like a, you know, I don't know what the correct word is.

• 2:56:52Danny Jones?

  Did he tell you what ocean?

• 2:56:53Speaker 02

  No. I don't know if it was a chain or a pulley system, but whatever. They had, they had this, this system for connecting the missile. And there was a helicopter floating above them. There was a few of these guys in the water doing this. And then apparently a giant UAP came out of the ocean, like classic saucer UFO. And it was just there. They look up, they're freaking out. People in the chopper are freaking out. And apparently this thing just took the missile somehow. Like they described it as like a magnet almost like it just took it.

• 2:57:26Danny Jones?

  Wow.

• 2:57:27Speaker 02

  Yeah. And then it took off.

• 2:57:30Danny Jones?

  And these guys were just swimming in the water.

• 2:57:32Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:57:32Danny Jones?

  Oh, my God.

• 2:57:34Speaker 02

  Yeah. Yeah.

• 2:57:37Danny Jones?

  That's fucking terrifying.

• 2:57:38Speaker 02

  It's crazy. It's crazy. But it was a really credible guy and he wouldn't, he wouldn't go on camera. He wouldn't do it. Went to an interview. He was, I thought he was gonna at one point, but decided couldn't do it. But apparently, that kind of thing has happened before. It's not like an isolated incident. The ocean stuff is definitely, definitely fascinating, you know?

• 2:58:01Danny Jones?

  It is. It really is, man.

• 2:58:03Speaker 02

  We might find out there's a whole civilization under the ocean.

• 2:58:05Danny Jones?

  Totally. Totally, man. I had this NASA guy on about a year ago, Kevin Canute. He is a former NASA contractor and he was explaining to me, he, it made so much sense when he explained this to me. He says, if you're an interplanetary civilization and you want to jump between planet to planet, he goes, it's not a good idea to stay in the atmospheres because the atmospheres the atmospheres are so volatile from planet to planet. Like, the atmosphere of Venus is like 900 degrees Fahrenheit on like a cold day. So it's like, it's like fucking hell, right? And yeah, not only that, but like the pressure's different, that the, the, there's volcanoes, asteroids, comets, all kinds of shit you can't predict in the atmosphere.

• 2:58:49Danny Jones?

  But if you can find a planet with liquid water, liquid water can only exist between 33 degrees and like 200 degrees Fahrenheit. And the pressure, if you want to get the pressure right, you just dial it down to the depth. You're gonna get this, you're gonna get the right pressure depending on the depth that you're at, with the atmospheres that you're at. So you would just go to Waterworlds because you can get the exact temperature and pressure.

• 2:59:09Speaker 02

  And if you had the ability to warp spacetime in a localized area and create like a bubble around your craft, that's the key to interstellar travel.

• 2:59:16Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 2:59:16Speaker 02

  You could explore, you know, our galaxy, other galaxies, and you could find these, these places.

• 2:59:22Danny Jones?

  Right, totally.

• 2:59:23Speaker 02

  It's definitely the, the key to interstellar travel, which is wild.

• 2:59:25Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 2:59:26Speaker 02

  Wait, but by the way, the other thing just made me think of, we were talking about Spielberg. Um, he was so ahead of his time with this topic, right? Like he clearly had some insight in the seventies when he made Close Encounters. And, and, and when he made ET. But he also, people forget, um, he also, uh, wrote Poltergeist. Poltergeist, the movie about-

• 2:59:48Danny Jones?

  I didn't know he wrote that.

• 2:59:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, about paranormal activity, um, and a family dealing with it at home. And, um, he was very ahead of his time. Go back and watch, rewatch Poltergeist.

• 2:59:59Danny Jones?

  That guy some truth serum.

• 3:00:01Speaker 02

  Yeah, no, he's, uh, he's tackled some really interesting topics for sure. And I'm pumped for Disclosure Day. I will, I will definitely be watching that movie in the theater.

• 3:00:11Danny Jones?

  A hundred percent, bro.

• 3:00:13Speaker 02

  Yeah. I think he, I think he had, I think he had real consultants. Um, in the same way that, you know, before I made the Age of Disclosure, I formed relationships with high level intelligence officials who really kind of like helped me understand the lay of the land and how serious it is and how real it is and-

• 3:00:26Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:00:26Speaker 02

  You know? My understanding is he, he also had, uh, insights. You know, Jacques Vallée was, is, was one of the consultants on the movie. That's the, the French scientist character in Close Encounters is based on Jacques Vallée. And Jacques had worked with Project Blue Book and, you know, I, I believe, I believe Spielberg's talked publicly about how Alan Heinecke, who was the lead investigator of Project Blue Book, was one of his consultants. So, yeah, he had, he had people informing him.

• 3:00:59Speaker 02

  There's also that great story, um, I can't remember who shared this, but there's a great story about Spielberg, um, doing a screening of ET at the White House for Reagan. And on the way out, Reagan commenting on how there's just a few people who know how close to true the ET story is, or how much truth there is, or some line like that. I believe he, Spielberg might have told this story.

• 3:01:26Danny Jones?

  Really?

• 3:01:27Speaker 02

  We gotta look it up. We gotta find it online, but, uh-

• 3:01:29Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 3:01:29Speaker 02

  It's a, it's, it's a great story.

• 3:01:31Danny Jones?

  Look that up. Reagan-

• 3:01:32Speaker 02

  Let's do Reagan Spielberg ET screening.

• 3:01:34Danny Jones?

  Reagan Spielberg ET screening story.

• 3:01:38Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:39Danny Jones?

  See what comes up with that.

• 3:01:40Speaker 02

  Yeah, I, I can't remember where.

• 3:01:42Danny Jones?

  I haven't, I've never heard that.

• 3:01:44Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:01:45Danny Jones?

  Who was the president that was super obsessed with UFOs?

• 3:01:48Speaker 02

  Well, there was a lot. Um, Ford was into it. Carter was into it. Reagan was into it.

• 3:01:52Danny Jones?

  There was a story, there was a famous story of Jackie Gleason and Nixon.

• 3:01:57Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. So- That's that is a famous story that I've heard as well of apparently Nixon was a big Jackie Gleason fan.

• 3:02:05Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:02:06Speaker 02

  And Jackie Gleason was very obsessed with this topic. And apparently there was one day where they were talking on the golf course about it and Nixon apparently said, you know.

• 3:02:16Danny Jones?

  Basically, you want to see a fucking alien?

• 3:02:17Speaker 02

  This is real, I'm gonna show you some stuff. And apparently he showed him a recovered UFO on a military base.

• 3:02:24Danny Jones?

  Oh, I thought he showed him an alien, I thought the story was he showed him an alien body.

• 3:02:28Speaker 02

  Oh, well, I didn't know that. I didn't know that.

• 3:02:30Danny Jones?

  That's that I could be wrong.

• 3:02:31Speaker 02

  And this and this particular story, just to say, I don't, I don't know what source that came from. This is just something that's kind of like a story that's out there in pop culture. I don't know if it's real or not real, but the Reagan thing, I'm pretty sure.

• 3:02:45Danny Jones?

  Oh, here's the, here's the story about Spielberg and ET.

• 3:02:50Danny Jones?

  Can you zoom in a little bit? In the new interview, ain't cool news Spielberg details the time he screened the classic film ET at the White House for Reagan and distinguished guests and the former president's coy response to the alien epic. He just, this is a quote from Spielberg, he just stood up, he looked around the room, almost like he was doing a head count. And then he said, I want to thank you for bringing ET to the White House. We really enjoyed your movie. And then he looked around the room and said, and there are a number of people in this room who know that everything on that screen is absolutely true. Spielberg remembered, wow.

• 3:03:27Speaker 02

  And Spielberg says he said it without smiling?

• 3:03:28Danny Jones?

  Without smiling.

• 3:03:30Speaker 02

  Yeah, so that's the story I remember. And Stephen did say that I saw the interview. That's actually an on camera interview, I think.

• 3:03:35Danny Jones?

  No way.

• 3:03:36Speaker 02

  So, uh, yeah, and that, when you combine that with, you know, Reagan gave a speech at the United Nations that, you know, most people either don't know happened or forgot about. I put, I put it in my film in the disclosure. He gives a speech where he talks about how he often thinks that.

• 3:03:56Speaker 02

  The one thing that will unite humanity is amongst adversaries is a threat from another intelligent life from outside this planet.

• 3:04:08Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:04:09Speaker 02

  And how it will help us see more of what we have in common.

• 3:04:13Danny Jones?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 3:04:13Speaker 02

  Differences.

• 3:04:14Danny Jones?

  We'll think of each other instead of Americans and Chinese and Russians, we'll think of each other as earthlings.

• 3:04:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, but the wild thing about that is like, put yourself in his shoes. He's the President of the United States. He's giving a speech at the UN. He can say anything he wants.

• 3:04:28Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:04:28Speaker 02

  And he chooses to say that he often thinks about this. Why do you often think about this? Unless it's a situation that you have to think about.

• 3:04:37Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:04:37Speaker 02

  The President of the United States doesn't have like free time, you know? Like.

• 3:04:41Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:04:42Speaker 02

  You're choosing very specifically to say that you often think about this.

• 3:04:46Danny Jones?

  That's bonkers.

• 3:04:47Speaker 02

  And then there's this, this, this Spielberg story.

• 3:04:49Danny Jones?

  Mm hmm.

• 3:04:50Speaker 02

  And there's other stories. Um, one of the, one of the people I interviewed, um, there was actually a few people, I should, I should make this clear. There's a few people I interviewed that I didn't end up including in the film, simply because there wasn't time. Or like what they talked about, there wasn't like an organic way to get to it in the context of the doc. It would have felt like a, like a right hand turn out of nowhere, you know? Um, and they were really great people, super credible. That I'm grateful they gave, gave me their time. And one day I will put those interviews out too somehow, since some, some form.

• 3:05:24Speaker 02

  But one of them was a former NSA guy who was involved in Reagan's Star Wars program. And he says on camera that he came to understand

• 3:05:43Speaker 02

  the concern about UAP coming in and out of our atmosphere was one of the motivations for the Star Wars program.

• 3:05:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, pretty wild.

• 3:05:51Danny Jones?

  That is fucking nuts.

• 3:05:52Speaker 02

  Yeah, and he also talks about how Reagan was had had learned how real the situation was. Now, it's revealed in my film that most US presidents are kept in the dark on this. They're not told the truth and that they're told the base facts. I think some presidents, my understanding is some presidents, once they learn the base facts, kind of like on their own, figured out the rest. But they're largely just kept kept in the dark.

• 3:06:14Danny Jones?

  Yeah.

• 3:06:15Speaker 02

  But yeah, Reagan, and then Bush, the other, the other one who has a big role, and we talk about in the film is Bush two, excuse me, Bush one, Bush senior. When he was director of the CIA, he was not read in on this. He was not told the truth about the crash retrieval and reverse engineering program. And when, but then he found out that it existed. And then when he became president, he went out of his way to learn the truth about it and and got very involved. And then his son, Bush two, knew the base facts.

• 3:06:48Danny Jones?

  And he wanted to disclose it, right?

• 3:06:49Speaker 02

  And he was contemplating disclosing it. So he held a multi-day think tank. We talk about it in my film. One of the people who participated in the think tank is Dr. Hal Puthoff, who's in my film. He tells the story about how he and I think he said like a dozen other people from various parts of society, scientists, people from finance, were put in a room basically and told that the Russians and the Chinese and the Americans have all recovered technology of non-human origin. And it's it's circumstances that we're all dealing with and that the the president was

• 3:07:32Speaker 02

  contemplating stepping to the microphone and telling the world the base facts. And he wanted this group of people to assess what the repercussions would be, what the impact would be on society and rank it from a one to 10 scale, each vertical, like the impact on religion, the impact on the economy, the impact on just a list of things, right? And they all went in, he said, they all went into it thinking this was going to be a good thing. And then when they started to like honestly evaluate it and like run the numbers, they decided that it was not a good idea and that there was more

• 3:08:03Danny Jones?

  More cons than good.

• 3:08:04Speaker 02

  Than pros. Relative to the story is the fact that it was like just after nine eleven. So the context also was like the world was already dealing with, you know, a big curve ball and chaos and you know, the global war on terror had started and you know, the timing of it also was a factor. But Hal goes on the record on camera saying he participated in this and this was an actual process that happened in our lifetime, which is wild, you know, to think that like you think back to the, you know, Bush two's presidency and you thought you knew what was going on in the world and this was happening in a room secretly in DC. That's crazy. And then when asked about it, I found a clip of Bush asked about it, Bush two being asked about it on Jimmy Kimmel.

• 3:08:48Danny Jones?

  Yeah, he's like, I'm not gonna tell you.

• 3:08:49Speaker 02

  Yeah, right. And timing wise, it was soon after this panel. And he says, Kimmel goes, you know, have you looked into this? And he thinks for a second, he goes, yeah, but I'm not gonna tell you.

• 3:09:01Danny Jones?

  Right.

• 3:09:02Speaker 02

  And when you put it all together, you're just like, wow. So yeah, I think some presidents have found out and then ultimately been discouraged from coming forward on it. Yeah.

• 3:09:11Danny Jones?

  Well, we'll see if Trump can seal his legacy and be the one that does it.

• 3:09:15Speaker 02

  Yeah, yeah, let's, let's see what happens and then we'll come back and talk about it.

• 3:09:18Danny Jones?

  Lots of crazy shit happening right now. Trump doing this, missing scientists. We'll see.

• 3:09:23Speaker 02

  Yeah.

• 3:09:23Danny Jones?

  It's gonna be an interesting year.

• 3:09:24Speaker 02

  We are, we are 100% living in, in the age of disclosure. That is, that is for sure. I do think a lot more is gonna be coming out though, seriously. And, and, and everyone should look for Jay Stratton's book. That's gonna blow people's minds. I'm, I'm thinking about what the next film I'm gonna make is. I'm having some high level conversations with folks in government about doing a follow-up film. There's also a bunch of these like standalone stories that I'm interested in, like we've talked about a few of them, that could be on their own standalone docs, like deep dives down a specific situation that happened in the same way that James did that great film, Moment of Contact, and focused on that one event.

• 3:10:03Speaker 02

  And um, yeah, and I'm building, you know, I, I, I founded relentless releasing the distribution company that, that released the film and um, building that and uh, gonna be releasing other movies as well. So um,

• 3:10:18Danny Jones?

  That's awesome.

• 3:10:19Speaker 02

  Yeah, I'm thinking about a bunch of different things for the, for, for what's next.

• 3:10:21Danny Jones?

  Well, it's a fantastic film and it's definitely doing a huge part in moving the needle.

• 3:10:24Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 3:10:25Danny Jones?

  And getting people talking about this and making it more normalized and, you know, helping us push this out so we can finally get the truth.

• 3:10:32Speaker 02

  Appreciate it.

• 3:10:32Danny Jones?

  Hopefully in my lifetime.

• 3:10:33Speaker 02

  Yeah, we will. And thank, thank you for putting, uh, shining a light on this topic, man. I mean, every, every conversation you have about it helps normalize it and make people realize what's going on.

• 3:10:43Danny Jones?

  Um, my pleasure, man. I enjoy, I enjoyed every moment of this and uh, we'll, we will link your film below.

• 3:10:48Speaker 02

  Thank you.

• 3:10:49Danny Jones?

  And all that good stuff. And thanks again, dude.

• 3:10:51Speaker 02

  Thank you, man. Appreciate it.

• 3:10:52Danny Jones?

  Oh, man.

• 3:10:52Speaker 02

  Cool.

• 3:10:53Danny Jones?

  Good night, world.

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