The "Flying" Tesla and the Porsche Mission S

Matt Farah and Zack Klapman scheduled an emergency show to talk about Tesla's "flying" Roadster. What is it, what was that, will anyone ever own it (or use it)? All that and more. Plus, Porsche launches their upcoming supercar - the Mission S - the same day. Recorded October 16, 2026 Show Notes Ridge One thing to pack, five ways to power! Head to https://ridge.com/tire for Ridge’s Friends & Family Sale, where you can buy two Ridge Power Banks and get a third FREE. Mudflap Who is your fuel savings card really working for? With Mudflap, that answer's easy. Keep more of every dollar you earn, because Mudflap has your back. Sign up at https://Muddy.com/tire and get $100 in free fuel credit after approval. DeleteMe Get 20% off your DeleteMe plan when you go to https://joindeleteme.com/tire and use promo code TIRE at checkout. Casper Right now, save up to 25% on mattresses and up to 30% on everything else when you go to https://Casper.com Use Off The Record! and ALWAYS fight your tickets! For a 10% discount on your first case go to https://www.offtherecord.com/TST Want your question answered? Want to watch the live stream, get ad-free podcasts, or exclusive podcasts? Join our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/thesmokingtirepodcast Instagram: https://www. Instagram.com/thesmokingtire https://www. Instagram.com/therealzackklapman

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• 0:00Matt Farah?

  What up everybody? Welcome to the Smoking Tire Podcast. This episode is brought to you by Avance. Avance is here helping countless enthusiasts save money and enjoy their automotive hobby even more than they already do. Because Avance members get sweet discounts on things they were gonna buy anyway, like tires, invites to events that are organized by the team at Avance, and a nice quarterly print magazine, which I've been in before and have at my desk right now, and it looks great. And we love Avance because they're helping you save money on things you're trying to buy anyway. For instance, Avance members get 10% off a discount tire, an additional 10% off Michelin and BF Goodrich,

• 0:42Matt Farah?

  which means if you spend 1,500 bucks on tires, you're gonna save 300 just because you're an Avance member. It's only $99 a year to join and they send you a $70 gift card to Griot's Garage when you sign up. So that's only 29 bucks a year. It basically pays for itself. Use code T S T at avance.com slash T S T and sign up today. Again, avance.com slash T S T, code T S T, sign up today. Right, this one is big. On this episode, two main points of contention. Porsche's new Mission S and Tesla's kick-flipping, sort of flying, new Roadster.

• 1:27Matt Farah?

  That is the whole show. It's the Smoking Tire Podcast. Let's go.

• 1:32Speaker 01

  Talk to strangers.

• 1:33Matt Farah?

  Cool.

• 1:34Speaker 01

  Actually, they're not strangers. You're patrons.

• 1:36Matt Farah?

  There are patrons.

• 1:38Speaker 01

  There are patrons.

• 1:39Matt Farah?

  They're, they're good people. I assume most of them are. Some of them statistically are bad people.

• 1:45Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:46Matt Farah?

  Just, I'm not. If you, if you think this, if you think I'm talking about you, you're so vain.

• 1:53Speaker 01

  I guess.

• 1:53Matt Farah?

  Bet you think this is about you.

• 1:55Speaker 01

  Statistically of general population, but do, are our patrons of general population? Or are they the best of population?

• 2:02Matt Farah?

  They're clearly the best and brightest.

• 2:04Speaker 01

  There's no bad people.

• 2:06Matt Farah?

  The best people. I have all the best people.

• 2:08Speaker 01

  Good people on both sides.

• 2:09Matt Farah?

  They're all practicing attorneys.

• 2:13Speaker 01

  A lot of good climbing happened on January 6th. Really impressive athleticism, really.

• 2:18Matt Farah?

  One woman redefined the term "I'm a lawyer" like three times in one day.

• 2:22Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah.

• 2:23Matt Farah?

  Really incredible.

• 2:24Speaker 01

  Well, the number of J6ers who have been rearrested for significant crime.

• 2:30Matt Farah?

  Incredible. The best people.

• 2:32Speaker 01

  Best people.

• 2:32Matt Farah?

  Is that statistically higher than the general population?

• 2:35Speaker 01

  Probably not, but the, but, you know, I will, like, my political silo loves to advertise, like, promote that. Because they're like, "Look at the people that were pardoned were bad again."

• 2:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 2:46Speaker 01

  But they were, you know, they were sort of sold as like, "These are good people that got caught up in a mess." And, or some people believe it didn't even happen. Or that they were Antifa and yet they were pardoned. So those are the mental gymnastics.

• 3:01Matt Farah?

  Those people.

• 3:02Speaker 01

  That some of the internet goes through.

• 3:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, those people think you're gonna be buying a cold gas thruster car in two years.

• 3:07Speaker 01

  Well, here, yeah.

• 3:08Matt Farah?

  And here's where you can wire your deposit right now. What I really, and we'll come back to the Tesla Roadster, our main topic today.

• 3:17Speaker 01

  I think they will come back to January 6th, like, we don't have to.

• 3:20Matt Farah?

  No, no, we'll start with January 6th. We'll come back to Tesla Roadster, but I just, uh,

• 3:26Matt Farah?

  never mind. It's,

• 3:29Matt Farah?

  it's been a long couple of days, my friends.

• 3:31Speaker 01

  All right.

• 3:31Matt Farah?

  My Instagram feed, is there a way to like wipe your Instagram algorithm and just start over? Other than like deleting your account?

• 3:41Speaker 01

  Uh, well.

• 3:43Matt Farah?

  Like cookies?

• 3:43Speaker 01

  Have you seen the following tab? It's, it's totally different. Like, so Instagram, your main thing is the feed.

• 3:51Matt Farah?

  Is the feed.

• 3:51Speaker 01

  But if you tap the Instagram and go to following, then it shows you

• 3:55Matt Farah?

  Just people I'm following.

• 3:57Speaker 01

  Who you're following and like in order. And it's a completely different experience.

• 4:00Matt Farah?

  All right. Well, I'm gonna do that immediately because the other tab.

• 4:04Speaker 01

  The annoying thing, you have to do it every time.

• 4:06Matt Farah?

  No way.

• 4:07Speaker 01

  Yes.

• 4:07Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 4:08Speaker 01

  They want you to be, yes. They want you to, yes. Because they want you to be sold other content. I, it really bothers me that you can't just lock it into, "Here's who I'm following."

• 4:18Matt Farah?

  It's just, my whole feed is just,

• 4:23Matt Farah?

  here's, here's this cat that someone abandoned. Here's a dog that someone abandoned on the roadside and, you know, their rescue story and whatever. But that's, even when they get rescued, it's still fucking depressing.

• 4:34Speaker 01

  Yeah, is it all the dodo?

• 4:35Matt Farah?

  I don't know, but it's just a bunch of that shit. And then a bunch of fucking rubes. I mean, the smoothest-brained people imaginable, thinking they're gonna have a fucking flying car.

• 4:50Speaker 01

  So, yeah, let's get into it.

• 4:51Matt Farah?

  Well, before, we, we can, we, we can, we can get right into it. But before we do, I need to contextualize a little bit. On October 13th, a Tesla vehicle crashed into a police cruiser that was doing an emergency service on the side of the road, injuring two officers. The driver was asleep and claimed the car was on FSD.

• 5:18Speaker 01

  Whoa.

• 5:19Matt Farah?

  So let's just, let's just contextualize that two days ago, a sleeping driver blamed FSD for rear-ending, and there's video, multiple angles, full speed, car doesn't slow down, just smashes right into the fucking cop car. So, let's contextualize everything that was shown to us with what was shown in the past and then what happened. Back in the day, let's go to the Paint It Black video. Remember the Paint It Black video?

• 5:52Speaker 01

  No.

• 5:52Matt Farah?

  That's where they showed a Tesla on full FSD with no human at the wheel, like driving around Silicon Valley to the Rolling Stones song Paint It Black. It later came out that it took them like hundreds of tries to get the car to do that without it fucking up. And they were like, "Look, it can do it. The only reason it can't is because of the bad government regulations saying we can't."

• 6:19Speaker 01

  Right.

• 6:20Matt Farah?

  But it was a lie. It took them, they, they created a spectacle that took a bunch of tries and a bunch of people in a full Skunk Works team to get it to work. And then they said, "This is the thing that we're gonna sell you," right? Then they did it again. The Cybertruck. They did it again, okay? And all this shit about the Cybertruck, what it's gonna do, all the capabilities, the range, the price, the performance. And then, other than

• 6:51Speaker 01

  Bulletproof windows.

• 6:52Matt Farah?

  Other than how the thing looks, the general shape of how it looks, and the fact that it accelerates quickly, none of those. They was all horseshit. "Really? Will it act briefly as a boat? Will it? Will it? Oh, it's an armored vehicle. Is it? Oh, it's gonna start at $35,000. Does it?" And what they had is the biggest fucking flop in history because they promised the thing that it turns out was actually just a fucking fairly janky toy.

• 7:24Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 7:25Matt Farah?

  So, so we enter, and then, and then two days ago, the thing they've been selling, they want you to get in a fucking car with no steering wheel. You then run on the same technology they told you would make you money. You buy a Model 3 today and while you sleep, it's out there making you money. But buy this shit today. You fucking rubes. All of you are rubes. Fucking P T Barnum over here puts on a fucking hell of a show. Fucking S S Barnum.

• 8:03Matt Farah?

  Heil, Heil Elon puts on a hell of a show. And if there is a fucking group of guys, and maybe some gals, but probably not, it's probably guys, all on fucking H1Bs, that could put together a Skunk Works project and build you a single jet-thrusted powered flying car, R C, no humans, it's Tesla and SpaceX. Guarantee you, that group of nerds could build one of these fucking things that jumps around and flies around and goes upside down and puts on a big fucking show. That ain't selling these things to people. No way.

• 8:44Matt Farah?

  So just contextualize the history of this company, what they promise, what they deliver. Before you go, they've got a flying car.

• 8:54Speaker 01

  True, yeah. I mean, they, they could sell it as, "This time's different," you know, to quote many an abuser.

• 9:00Matt Farah?

  Oh, yes, "This time's different because AI."

• 9:05Speaker 01

  And like the tech to make it rotate and do all those things like they just walk into yeah, walk into the SpaceX office and they go, oh, the thing we use on the rockets all the time. Sure.

• 9:14Matt Farah?

  The thing to make it drive upside down, Chris Harris did in a McMurtry spearling a year ago.

• 9:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 9:20Matt Farah?

  Like that, it like, but here's the thing. You were there with me. You've heard these sucker fans up close.

• 9:28Speaker 01

  So loud.

• 9:28Matt Farah?

  You don't use these on the street.

• 9:30Speaker 01

  So loud.

• 9:31Matt Farah?

  There's so, it's like a jet engine firing up on the street.

• 9:33Speaker 01

  If you watch Chris's video, like he has to yell into the mic.

• 9:36Matt Farah?

  You have ear protection. Yeah, yeah. Have you ever fucking, can you imagine what a fucking compressed air thruster that's powerful enough to stop a fucking 5,000 pound car from falling sounds like? Imagine how, yeah. Do you know how loud that has to be up close?

• 9:57Speaker 01

  Probably pretty loud, yeah.

• 9:58Matt Farah?

  Crazy loud. You can't just like do that around people.

• 10:02Speaker 01

  Like here we have, or anyone who's ever been in a mechanic shop or whatever, like you have the compressed air blaster, right? To help you clean out an engine bay. And it's really loud and I don't know what the PSI, I'll look it up, but that's not 10,000. Well, sorry, 10,000 is the PSI that's contained, I think, in the tank. So I don't know what the pressure is at expulsion, but to make it powerful enough to move a car, it's gonna have to be very significant.

• 10:26Matt Farah?

  It's gotta be.

• 10:26Speaker 01

  Actually, Motor Trend might have done the math.

• 10:28Matt Farah?

  And then think about the compressor that has to run to refill this thing. There's no air compressor in the world that can run silently like that.

• 10:37Speaker 01

  What they said is that, and said, but what they said is that, so at the demo, they use a combination of like nitrogen and CO2. But what Elon said at the press launch was that the car can make its own cold gas, which is like, it's gonna be CO2. So it can, it may have an onboard compressor.

• 10:54Matt Farah?

  Yeah, yeah.

• 10:55Speaker 01

  That would then fill the thing.

• 10:56Matt Farah?

  Yeah, but like, when have you ever heard a air compressor of any kind that wasn't the most annoying sounding thing imaginable?

• 11:04Speaker 01

  I have not been around electric air compressors. Everything I've been around is like gas powered. So it's like, and makes quite a loud sound.

• 11:13Matt Farah?

  My compressor here is electric air compressor. It plugs in the wall.

• 11:16Speaker 01

  That is very loud.

• 11:16Matt Farah?

  A fucking, a caddy slammed on bags has an electric air compressor. The compressor you plug in your fucking, the Fantic ones we advertised, that's an electric air compressor.

• 11:26Speaker 01

  Oh, that's true.

• 11:27Matt Farah?

  That's all, they're all electric. They all sound the same.

• 11:30Speaker 01

  Yours is much louder than the Fantic one, of course, because of scale.

• 11:32Matt Farah?

  Well, mine is six feet tall, but, but imagine how.

• 11:35Speaker 01

  Well, actually, and the Fantic one, I don't think is, it's not filling a tank. It's just compressing and going direct. Yours is filling a tank.

• 11:41Matt Farah?

  Mine is filling a tank. Yeah. And but, and I've, I grew up, I was a scuba diving instructor. I know what, what kind of pressure it takes to fucking fill a scuba tank to 1,500 P. I mean, that's like, that's like this. That's like what you're talking about is essentially filling a big scuba tank.

• 11:56Speaker 01

  True.

• 11:56Matt Farah?

  Now, the tank could be made of something else, but I, I mean, imagine what a compressor that has to build up that amount of pressure sounds like.

• 12:07Speaker 01

  Yeah. It'd be very, very, very big. And how to fit it, I think, is another question. Oh, where am I going? There we go.

• 12:14Matt Farah?

  And so like, I'm not saying that this was like fully faked, you know, I'm not, I'm not, I like, I, there were people there and they saw the car flip around and like, look, that's pretty cool. Not, not gonna lie.

• 12:28Speaker 01

  It was very cool.

• 12:29Matt Farah?

  Pretty cool. It is. Like, as a fucking David Copperfield circus, you know, circus act, like, Elon should play the Sphere. I mean, is what I'm saying. Like Elon should have his white supremacist tech rallies, you know, at the Sphere and just do like techno feudal Nazi demos, you know, where, where his robot armies, you know, blitzkrieg a bunch of brown people, you know, and then he impregnates all their wives to make their country a little whiter. Look, his word's not mine.

• 13:05Speaker 01

  His 11 kids, not yours.

• 13:07Matt Farah?

  His word's not mine. He refers to them as breeders, not me. Okay. So, you know, I, I fully believe that they could build one of these, but they, they gave themselves so many outs. They said, oh, the one with the thrusters will be invite only and not street legal. That basically gives them an out to never sell them to anybody.

• 13:26Speaker 01

  Well, I guess, is, are they, is the car with the thruster mounted going to be not street legal? Or is it not street legal if you activate it on the street? Is this like a track only mode? Or is it, you can't even drive it anywhere else?

• 13:40Matt Farah?

  The quote I read was that the, the one that has the flying stuff is not, is going to be sold invite only and will not be road legal.

• 13:49Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 13:50Matt Farah?

  Which just gives them all, the, all the outs.

• 13:52Speaker 01

  I think that also, well, I don't know how many they want to sell, but it's hard, it's hard enough to sell a track only car. Like, I mean, companies do it, but it's like they sell, I don't know, 50, 20, whatever, FXXs. And they trade hands at a high price at the Ferrari stuff, but the market is so small. But imagine how small the market is for a flying thing with probably a very long, you know, liability release. Because what if you fly in the wrong place and land the wrong way? I mean, we don't know what it's gonna be able to do, but.

• 14:22Matt Farah?

  It's not like, to call, it's like, to call it flying is the same as, as calling FSD autonomy. It gives it more credit than what's actually happened.

• 14:34Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 14:35Matt Farah?

  It's done an acrobatic jump. Okay?

• 14:38Speaker 01

  Well, I'm saying.

• 14:39Matt Farah?

  It's more like hopping than it is like flying.

• 14:41Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's true.

• 14:42Matt Farah?

  No, and, and like, I'm not saying it isn't fucking cool, but like, to me, flying is a sustained thing. You, you have, you, you got, you can't, it's not a, and then you, and then you stop yourself from landing. It's a sustained mode of transit.

• 15:01Speaker 01

  I will agree with you, except that colloquially, like we go snowboarding, you know, you go off a jump, you're like, I'm flying through the air. Now, that's maybe just people using bad English.

• 15:08Matt Farah?

  I, I don't think that's, yeah, I mean, I guess.

• 15:11Speaker 01

  That is totally used that way. Yeah.

• 15:12Matt Farah?

  But that's not the, it's like.

• 15:14Speaker 01

  I agree with what you're saying.

• 15:15Matt Farah?

  How, then, then driving a car off a jump is that too.

• 15:19Speaker 01

  Right. No, no, it's used to describe an action, but I think, I agree with your definition that flight is sustained.

• 15:25Matt Farah?

  The way it's being used here is this is a flying car, not this is a jumping car that doesn't totally disintegrate when it lands from that jump. And also, we don't know what happens to a human. Should a human be inside of this thing when it does that?

• 15:39Speaker 01

  Uh, yeah, I'm very curious, like, you know, this is not a trophy truck looking car. Like, it doesn't have two feet of travel. So the landing, obviously, can be softened by the thrusters. I mean, they've gotten really good at that with, you know, when the rockets return, but how gentle is that landing when it's transmitted through suspension, through a unibody, through a human being?

• 16:00Matt Farah?

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• 21:00Matt Farah?

  It's Tesla. They do, in theory, make cars. So I do think they will make a very fast two-seat car that maybe has some kind of compressed gas thing that, that, that does aid in the zero to 60 number. I, I, I think that's a, that's a thing that could probably work and maybe be sold to the public, maybe.

• 21:24Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think, I think they'll end up with the rear thruster and the fans.

• 21:28Matt Farah?

  Yeah, the sucker, there's nothing preventing a sucker. Gordon Murray has a sucker fan on the road legal car.

• 21:33Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think they'll, they'll end up with that.

• 21:35Matt Farah?

  I don't think, I mean.

• 21:38Speaker 01

  Where's, someone in the chat just said that the underbody of the car, you could just see a tube chassis, which granted it is like a demo thing.

• 21:44Matt Farah?

  Oh, this is, yeah, this isn't a real car.

• 21:46Speaker 01

  I'm very curious, like, how big the battery was in this, you know, probably just big enough to do the acceleration, but it had to be as light as possible.

• 21:55Matt Farah?

  That's like a Hollywood stunt car, dude. That's not, whatever you saw is not anything like what would be delivered to customers. There's, it's just not. It might look like that. It's possible it looks like that. I don't, I don't think it looks great.

• 22:10Speaker 01

  The concept from nine years ago was really good looking car, I thought.

• 22:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah, because that general shape, which was originally aped from Aston Martin with the Model S and then pushed and pulled in different directions with the three and the Y, that design language is relatively attractive. That's why they can still sell those cars today.

• 22:28Speaker 01

  Totally.

• 22:29Matt Farah?

  This looks like an 04 Gallardo by a Centrica.

• 22:32Speaker 01

  It does. No, no, no, that's, that's mean to a Centrica. This looks like Timu. This looks like someone built their own kit for a Lamborghini and put it on a Fiero.

• 22:40Matt Farah?

  It does. Oh, you could picture it with a Jalopnik headline that's like, this guy in Kazakhstan built his own Lamborghini.

• 22:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Tony Stark built this in a cave.

• 22:53Matt Farah?

  Oh dude, that's such a funny fucking. That's the meme. The Tony Stark built this in a cave is the, is the meme. And by the way, that fucking, that doesn't look like anything.

• 23:04Speaker 01

  What?

• 23:05Matt Farah?

  That ball of, of tank with, with those just pipes coming out of it, that just doesn't look like anything. That looks like they just bolted shit on a movie prop.

• 23:15Speaker 01

  Well, I mean, if it's the system that they had in the car, then, but this is called, I'll have to look up the term because, you know, basically the way they make the tanks as light as possible for space and other stuff and make them very secure is a little bit of metal inside and then crazy wrapped on the outside with like Kevlar or carbon fiber.

• 23:33Matt Farah?

  The Titan submersible.

• 23:35Speaker 01

  No, I think that was, that was made of carbon. No, no, no. So, so what they do with this is it's all continual fabric. It's not like a bunch of little pieces that are glued together. It's one long, huge.

• 23:45Matt Farah?

  Yarn.

• 23:46Speaker 01

  Yeah, and they figured out long ago that this is the way to most, like, I think some of the hydrogen tanks and hydrogen cars are like this. It just, so the, you know, the metal inside seals the gas, but then this prevents anything from like exploding or stretching or whatever. It's just super duper strong.

• 24:01Matt Farah?

  I believe that a company can make a good tank. I don't, I don't think that, that the tank itself, although that bit with just four random pipes coming out of it looks kind of janky, but I, you know, I'm sure they can, like, that just is like four pipes, but okay.

• 24:21Speaker 01

  What would you want to see?

• 24:22Matt Farah?

  I don't know.

• 24:23Speaker 01

  There you go.

• 24:25Matt Farah?

  I don't know, dude, the credibility of this company is so fucking low, so low. I mean, anything short of just like them coming out with like a true replacement of the Model 3. It's just a car, a nice electric car. Like, if they come out with that, I'll go, okay. But like, other companies have records of actually, you know, selling the products that they're making you pay for. Do you think that if you gave them full price in 2017 for a Roadster, that you'd get one of these?

• 25:00Speaker 01

  No.

• 25:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 25:01Speaker 01

  They may say that it's gonna cost, I thought someone says, oh, I'm confusing with Mission S. I don't know what these are gonna cost for the full jumping rocket.

• 25:10Matt Farah?

  No, but like, if you gave them money 10 years ago and never got a car because that was fake and that was a scam, are you gonna, are they gonna be like, sorry, and give you one of these now?

• 25:23Speaker 01

  I don't know. I mean, I would hope your reservation rolls over because this is technically still called the Roadster. Otherwise, they'd have to give your money back. I mean, if, if they said this is.

• 25:33Matt Farah?

  Technically, they already have to give your money back, but they've, everyone who's tried has made, they've made the process difficult and annoying.

• 25:40Speaker 01

  Right, but I'm saying if this car was called the Jeff, they couldn't keep your money and go, sorry, this is the Jeff. You put a down payment on a Roadster, so you don't get one of these. You have to get in line again. I think, I think they would just, if you, I'm sure they would say, can we just keep your money and roll it into this thing? And you're gonna get this instead. But will people, I don't know if people will want this instead? Because it looks totally different. It's a very different idea.

• 26:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you know, look,

• 26:11Matt Farah?

  if, if, I, I will believe it when I see it, not in a, in a demo on public roads. That's, that's when I'll believe it. Till then.

• 26:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, I mean, they need to have a press launch with the finished product that has thrusters where the thrusters are. I'm very, very curious to see, are they gonna do anything with this vertical propulsion?

• 26:37Matt Farah?

  Because here's a comparison, right? When I went to Spain, I guess it was, I guess it was 2024 to, to drive the Panamera Turbo S E Hybrid with the Active Ride, my first time trying Active Ride. They built one, Porsche built one. It was real cool. And you, you were not, you could, you could drive it. It was a fully regular car. But they had an app on their phone with an accelerometer. And you couldn't, they wouldn't let anybody inside the car, but if you were, if you were over here, you could connect to the car and move the phone around like this, and the car would like dance.

• 27:18Matt Farah?

  And like, I was like, I want to go in the car. And they were like, absolutely not. You will smash your head on the B pillar. It's incredibly dangerous.

• 27:26Speaker 01

  It was very violent. It moved really quickly.

• 27:28Matt Farah?

  And I was like, okay, well, like, if I buy one, like, I want to get the app. And they're like, absolutely not. You could never sell this to anybody. The liability would be so crazy. Imagine this happened. Imagine that a child was near it. Imagine someone hacked the app. Imagine this. I mean, the fucking scenarios that these guys went through. And this just to make the car not dance. To make the car absolutely uncontrollable from outside the car, you, you know, you, so, this was like, they were, that's Porsche. And it's not that like, like Porsche is, is necessarily, well, they probably are,

• 28:09Matt Farah?

  but more moral, you know, like Tesla is definitely the fuck it, you know, the rules don't apply to us company.

• 28:16Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 28:16Matt Farah?

  But Porsche like, was like, no, this little thing, this little gadget is extremely dangerous in a, in a variety of ways.

• 28:26Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 28:26Matt Farah?

  Well, intentional, unintentional, like, there's like, you don't have to think very hard to think about how much chaos this little thing could cause.

• 28:34Speaker 01

  No, the jostle.

• 28:36Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 28:36Speaker 01

  I mean, it would definitely turn your head into a cracked egg on the windshield because it moved really quickly. I mean, this is why, you know, off-road racing vehicles, the, the seats traditionally have like a pretty good halo and you will feel your helmet, you know, bounce off of that, that seat.

• 28:50Matt Farah?

  So anyway, the, the, that this goes like 25 levels beyond that.

• 28:57Speaker 01

  I can already see like the YouTube thumbnails and headlines when like, you know, Whistlin Diesel buys the top spec, puts on a helmet and it's like, I broke the window with my head in my Tesla Roadster because it's just like vertical and flips itself over or something like that, you know, closed course.

• 29:15Matt Farah?

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• 34:22Speaker 01

  There, I'm gonna look at, there's something about the two, like the three specs. There's like three trim levels, uh... So I think they're gonna sell the one with the rear thrusters and the fan, because they probably saw like how successful the, the Mercury was in terms of marketing. Like, it's a very impressive thing, and it gets your 0 to 60 down to whatever.

• 34:43Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 34:43Speaker 01

  So they'll sell that.

• 34:44Matt Farah?

  That's the other thing is like, that is impressive. It's been done before with drag cars and stuff like that.

• 34:53Matt Farah?

  I don't think people really understand how unpleasant that would be. Like, it, that would be, like, that's, that's enough acceleration to actually injure somebody who's unprepared.

• 35:07Speaker 01

  Oh yeah, if your head's not on the seat, for sure.

• 35:09Matt Farah?

  You could, you could give someone like a legitimate neck injury if they're not prepared for something like that.

• 35:17Matt Farah?

  You know, again, like, this company doesn't care. And by the way, without the Trump administration, none of this flies. The, the, the, the fact that like, you have a completely captive, uh, Department of Transportation, you've completely captured any, you know, politic, like, there's no one who would, there's nobody who's gonna say, in this administration, Elon Musk can't do something. Nobody.

• 35:43Speaker 01

  It definitely reduces the odds of that happening. Like, I don't know if NHTSA, like, you know, with the nozzles on the back, for example, because they're made of titanium and incanel, so they're very hard. So those are up on the back, kind of, I think they're just above the trunk. Um, what happens when, you know, a person runs into that or a cyclist runs into it? Does it have to pass the same kind of crash standards as other vehicles? Or does it fall in line with something like, you know, tow hitch on the back of an F-250? Like, that's definitely not the softest thing in the world. So will, will that even cause a problem? Because I was looking at the nozzles, I went, oh, if, you know, a kid rides their bike and whacks into that, is this going back to 67 Cadillac?

• 36:21Matt Farah?

  Well, they don't actually look longer or pointier than regular exhaust tips. I wouldn't, I'm not concerned about just the...

• 36:29Speaker 01

  But I think they were placed higher. That's, that's why. Because the fans, I think, are down low.

• 36:33Matt Farah?

  The clarens and shit have high exhaust. That, that isn't, I would be more concerned with if you were to, you know, blast that thing and someone is standing back there and they're injured from that kind of pressure.

• 36:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 36:49Matt Farah?

  You know, or blown into something and injured, what liability do you have?

• 36:53Speaker 01

  They would probably use their, you know, parking sensor suite to determine if there's some, I mean, if they have all the cameras and FSD, like, it will theoretically know that there's a person behind it and like, you can't activate now.

• 37:04Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 37:04Speaker 01

  So...

• 37:05Matt Farah?

  But past precedent tells us to look at any new car launch from Elon and, and remove about 90% of what he says the car will do. And the, the most basic 10% that's left, the minimum viable product to make you, him have delivered the car, that's actually what's in there. Because he's a stock pumper. He's not, he's not an engineer, he's not a fucking futurist, he's not a prophet. He's a stock pumper. He's a fucking showman and he's, he's P.T. Barnum if he was a white supremacist, basically. So, uh, anyway.

• 37:49Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 37:49Matt Farah?

  That's, that's, that's my, my thoughts on this. I would take every requirement... With a massive grain of salt, except on technologies that have already been established and used by other people.

• 38:02Speaker 01

  Yeah, the

• 38:05Speaker 01

  The vertical jump thing. I don't know if they'd even put in, even if it was a car that was sold like can't be used on public road, but.

• 38:13Matt Farah?

  Wow, this is a block of ice.

• 38:15Speaker 01

  Oh, there was ice stuck to the bottom of it, too.

• 38:18Matt Farah?

  Sorry, go on.

• 38:20Speaker 01

  I think to your point, the liability of even selling something that's only used off off of road would probably be so high, they might not sell it. Cause like coming, if you lose pressure and you're already five feet in the air, this thing has no suspension track. Like you're gonna break all of your bones.

• 38:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah, so. I mean, but obviously they've already been selling FSD and they've managed to, for the most part, offload all the liability to the user, which is amazing.

• 38:50Matt Farah?

  Um, and again, on October 13th, uh, two days before this announcement, a Tesla claimed using FSD driver asleep, crashed into a police car that was doing an emergency stop and had full lights and sirens going. Car didn't slow down, car didn't swerve, it's on video, two days ago. So like, just saying, like, we've seen all this bullshit before, like a million times. This will be 10 years they've been selling that shit, 10 fucking years. Guy was so comfortable in FSD, he went to sleep and the car worked perfectly. He probably fucking loved FSD. That guy who was asleep, I bet he thought,

• 39:33Matt Farah?

  he was telling everybody how great that shit was. It was so good at driving, you never had to touch the wheel, never had to watch it, it was great. It was so good, he stopped paying attention and nodded off. And that's when it stopped fucking working.

• 39:48Matt Farah?

  Maybe there's a lesson in there that nobody will learn.

• 39:51Speaker 01

  Probably, not until we have a better regulatory.

• 39:55Matt Farah?

  The Mission S. You know what I like about Porsche is they, they, they like to, uh, they like to like obliterate stuff, like someone will come out with something like kinda cool and Porsche will just like obliterate it in some way. And this seems to me like, like punching the oil stain lab guys in the penis so hard.

• 40:18Speaker 01

  Why?

• 40:19Matt Farah?

  Doesn't this look like a real version of the oil stain lab car, except built by Porsche?

• 40:23Speaker 01

  Uh, there are definitely some, well, there's elements that are similar, but I would say that it's more likely oil stain lab was inspired by Porsche, cause like none of this is new to Porsche, like fender bolt, like.

• 40:36Matt Farah?

  But I get what you're saying, but like, it looks like, it looks like the Porsche guys saw the oil stain lab car and went, oh, that's a cool idea. And like, what if we actually made that into a real Porsche?

• 40:49Speaker 01

  The most distinctive element to your point is for me is this, just behind the front wheel, there's like a shelf or, you know, like a, a void.

• 40:57Matt Farah?

  Yes.

• 40:57Speaker 01

  Um, and I remember the oil stain lab has a very clear overhang.

• 41:01Matt Farah?

  Correct.

• 41:01Speaker 01

  But everything else is very Porsche.

• 41:03Matt Farah?

  Um, but there, and there's obviously GT1 influence here, which is where that comes from. But if you took the 996 headlights off of this car and put on the 993 headlights, you have the oil stain lab car.

• 41:16Speaker 01

  Funny, you have, uh, they're cousins for sure. They're from the same part of the world.

• 41:21Matt Farah?

  Um, but, uh, in general, I kinda dig it. It has, uh, it has a nice, uh, bit of restraint to it, actually, um, after the, the GT3 RS. Um, I imagine it is the sort of successor to the, the 918, although they've been kinda tight lipped on that. So expect a, a tri-motor hybrid with a very cool engine, looks like very likely to be a flat eight.

• 41:49Speaker 01

  Yeah, they wouldn't say, but then they revved it at the launch, which sounded flat eight.

• 41:54Matt Farah?

  It sounds like a flat eight.

• 41:54Speaker 01

  Flat six.

• 41:55Matt Farah?

  No, it's, have you heard the roof flat eight? It sounds like the roof flat eight. Yeah, roof has a CTR3 with a flat eight prototype in it. And they sound similar.

• 42:03Speaker 01

  Okay.

• 42:03Matt Farah?

  Um, flat fan on top, uh, you have to assume that that fan is gonna be electrical. Um, you know, Gunther, uh, F26, which there's a, we have a video of on our channel, uses a mechanical flat fan on that Roth Sport Racing Twin Turbo engine, which is cool, but it does chatter a little bit because it's literally. Yeah, a little bit. It chatters a lot, cause it's a mechanical 90 degree gear driven fan. Um, the new Singer engines that use a flat fan, um, have an electrical driven fan. So, uh, it's much quieter and it doesn't, it actually doesn't run all the time.

• 42:41Matt Farah?

  It turns on, off and runs at different speeds. It's not linked to the revs of the engine like traditional Porsche flat fans are, or vertical fans for that matter. One assumes that Porsche will employ an electrical fan.

• 42:54Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 42:54Matt Farah?

  As opposed to a mechanical fan.

• 42:55Speaker 01

  Especially because they said that they're not trying to limit the sales on this, so this isn't gonna be 40 units and it's crazy town. And it's like the fastest hyper thing in the world. It'll be very fast, but like Porsche probably wants to make this a livable hyper supercar. So, yeah, I'd say electric fan.

• 43:10Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, it'll still probably be a million dollars, even if it's not quote limited, you know, but, um, it, I think it looks nice.

• 43:19Speaker 01

  I think it's gorgeous.

• 43:20Matt Farah?

  I think it looks really good. I think, uh, there's a lot to like. Do you have a photo of the interior? The interior, uh, looks very cool. I, it, dude, like when I drove 918 last year and I lived out of it for a week and I drove 1500 miles in it, I came back and I went, if you took this exact car and updated the multimedia interface and updated the battery chemistry and did nothing else, you could just sell it today, just like that. And so to see this interior in this car, um, we can't really tell if that's a manual transmission or not.

• 44:00Speaker 01

  Well, people said that were there was it's the PDK.

• 44:03Matt Farah?

  A lever, okay. Um, so, I mean, clearly this interior is, uh, is similar to what you got in a 918. Um, it goes back to the actual, um, gauge pods, the five pods, it's not just the one screen. Um, you've got a real, a real lever that looks like a shifter, even if it's not, you see, you've got some proper knobs. And it seems like there is, uh, no screen.

• 44:27Speaker 01

  I thought, I watched someone's video and there was a vertical screen here.

• 44:31Matt Farah?

  Maybe it pops out.

• 44:32Speaker 01

  I think it pops out and then it also has a magnet that you can stick your phone to, so I'd have to check that, I'll, I'll Google.

• 44:41Matt Farah?

  Well, it, it looks, my guess is that that gauge, uh, that gauge pod is a screen. The one that says 4.8 on it right now is a screen.

• 44:51Speaker 01

  They did say that, these are digital gauges with, you know, uh, real round surrounds though, meaning, meaning, um, Taycan, it's like fake round gauges in one giant oblong screen.

• 45:02Matt Farah?

  Right, these are individual, yeah, yeah. And it looks like that may be a real tack needle. The needle may be an actual real needle.

• 45:11Speaker 01

  Uh, I think it is. I think it's analog needle with digital screen behind it.

• 45:14Matt Farah?

  And am I too, am I looking at that correctly? Is there's a Cyclops on, at the red line? Look at the tack, is that a Cyclops?

• 45:23Speaker 01

  Yeah, there's some.

• 45:23Matt Farah?

  Like my, like my watch.

• 45:25Speaker 01

  There's a little magnification there.

• 45:27Matt Farah?

  It's like the day, it's like the Rolex Cyclops. They've gone for a watch bit.

• 45:31Speaker 01

  I think they did it over what is probably a shift, uh, a gear indicator.

• 45:35Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 45:36Speaker 01

  Cause there's a six next to the seven, every 14 year old just freaked out, cause I said six, seven, who cares? Um, that's probably what that's for, so it's like, it's like your date thing.

• 45:44Matt Farah?

  Yeah, everyone's gotta, everyone's gotta have a watch reference in their, in their hypercar now. We gotta really hit it on the nose. This is an analog car, it's gonna have mechanical watch references and it's very, very important. Um, but I bet this thing drives amazing. I mean, when you compare, um, you know, a tri-motor hybrid with a really interesting NA gas engine, that could be a 918, it could be, um, it could be a, a Revuelto. It, it could be the 296, which is not NA, but, but still works. Um, you're gonna end up with an interesting car and I bet you that thing, uh, I bet you it drives pretty, pretty good.

• 46:28Matt Farah?

  The people that I, the people that I know at Porsche say 18 months though, they say it's really, it is, they're not, this is, this is, you know, roughly what, what the car will look like, but this is not a mechanically finished car that they're showing off. This is, this, this car is still, cause I, I, you know, obviously, a lot of people, oh yeah, look. Look, it looks like that's just a phone stuck.

• 46:51Speaker 01

  Yeah, I think it, uh, a new picture of the interior for listeners. I think it does have a magnet for your phone. There's no big screen in the center or in the, on the dashboard. And what I saw on, uh, Forest Reviews, uh, credit to him, is you mount the phone on the magnet and then you can use these knobs to control features in some sort of

• 47:13Matt Farah?

  That's funny.

• 47:13Speaker 01

  car Mission S app.

• 47:15Matt Farah?

  That's so funny. This is like, uh, you know, that's like, what's the bit where it's like, if you're really poor or really rich and you have like 10 cars in your yard, right?

• 47:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 47:26Matt Farah?

  If you're really poor or really rich, you use your phone.

• 47:29Speaker 01

  Your only screen is your phone.

• 47:30Matt Farah?

  Your only screen is your phone.

• 47:31Speaker 01

  Yeah, rich guy, poor guy.

• 47:32Matt Farah?

  Billionaire or, uh, 2012 Nissan Versa.

• 47:36Speaker 01

  If the only screen in your car in 2026 is your phone, you might be a redneck.

• 47:41Matt Farah?

  Thank you, Mr. Foxworth.

• 47:42Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 47:43Matt Farah?

  I love the steering wheel. Absolutely gorgeous.

• 47:46Speaker 01

  Do you like this on your, on your own? This is, this is Porsche's whimsy. This is the one element of whimsy.

• 47:50Matt Farah?

  Yah.

• 47:51Speaker 01

  Uh, in the last 10 years, but it's a, it's a button in the center. I guess it just turns all traction control off.

• 47:56Matt Farah?

  Love it.

• 47:56Speaker 01

  And all assistance.

• 47:57Matt Farah?

  Absolutely love it.

• 47:58Speaker 01

  Boom.

• 47:59Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, look, to me, this is, this is a cool car to me. It's got elements of, uh, GT1. It's got elements of 917. It's got, uh, it looks like it will be very comfortable. The seating position and driving position looks good and

• 48:16Speaker 01

  I'm sure it's perfect.

• 48:17Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 48:17Speaker 01

  Dude, I like this. Just on the inside of the door here, you can see that the window down and up is like a lever that's attached to, that's just really tidy and nice. That's a nice design.

• 48:27Matt Farah?

  First time I saw that lever was in an Icon and now a lot of those, uh, now like, uh, Velocity and Revology. All the resto mod guys, they, they do this now where they, they have, it looks like a crank window, but you just press the crank down and it's a power window.

• 48:42Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 48:42Matt Farah?

  So Porsche has done the same thing here, but in a slightly more chum and way.

• 48:46Speaker 01

  And it's way, it's smaller. It doesn't look like a traditional rolly, rolly window knob, but, uh, I just like that, I think that's just a tidy, tidy system here for door pull plus window plus door lock.

• 48:57Matt Farah?

  But notice relatively low red line. Looks like 7500, 7700 maybe red line. So, you know, that's, it's not, it's not a screaming monster like a Temerario engine. But maybe because it's a flat eight, it makes more torque. Maybe it's, it doesn't need the revs so much. And maybe it sounds even better at, uh, low revs, you know?

• 49:20Speaker 01

  That's true. Let me see if I can find the revving video. Um, my, my neighbor who's into, uh, motorcycles and cars, he's like, he's like, hey man, when you get that, that Mission S press car, you gotta take me for a ride. And I was like, do you know how many years away that is if it happens at all?

• 49:35Matt Farah?

  We might get to drive it, but unlikely we get to take it home.

• 49:37Speaker 01

  Exactly.

• 49:38Matt Farah?

  You know?

• 49:38Speaker 01

  Yeah, I'll park it in my, I mean, I don't think it's, it probably fit my garage.

• 49:41Matt Farah?

  It does seem like, it, it, it seems like the right direction. My only concern is this. Porsche has said a couple of weeks ago, they wanted, they, they were going to be moving their product, you know, up market, more special editions, more things like that. This is, you know, first step to that, a product range, non-special edition that is, sits above the 911. So that's, that's really a new thing. I mean, the 918 was a, was a very limited production car. Carrera GT, a little less so. They made, they made more of those, but, um, this will kind of be like that.

• 50:18Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 50:18Matt Farah?

  But, uh, but also announcing that they're not going to be making the gas Boxster Cayman at all.

• 50:25Speaker 01

  Right.

• 50:26Matt Farah?

  And they're going to be making just the electric one. And like, I'm actually kind of excited for the electric Cayman, uh, and Boxster, because I think if anybody can build a really fun electric sports car, it's probably Porsche. But I'm not excited that that's the only choice.

• 50:43Speaker 01

  For sure.

• 50:43Matt Farah?

  And, you know, I'm starting to feel like maybe like 10 or 15 years ago, when Leno started talking about how gas cars were going to be like horses. I feel like we're getting there where if you want gas and you want, uh, the, the engineering behind an internal combustion engine that brings you joy, you're going to have to be very, very rich and buy one of these very, very special cars. And everyone else, even the, you know, upper middle class, you know, because you gotta be upper middle class to buy a Corvette or a dark horse in today's world, right? To buy a $50,000 plus sports car, like you're upper middle class in this world.

• 51:25Matt Farah?

  Unless you're like up to your eyeballs in debt, in which case, call your accountant.

• 51:30Speaker 01

  Right.

• 51:31Matt Farah?

  But, um, but outside of that, like, I just don't, I, I worry that it's going to be gas for me and not for thee. And like, yeah, we do need to, as a planet, like, yes, let's make the, let's, let's make the, um, as many of the commuter cars, uh, electric as possible. It's as many of the utility cars as like electric as possible. I don't want to, I don't want to have hardships on people that live far from places and need gas. I don't want to take their gas away, but, or, or I take their method of getting around away until electric catches up to where it doesn't make your life worse to use it. But like, I just, I hope it's not going to be like, yes, you can get, you can get a GT3 RS

• 52:12Matt Farah?

  or this crazy thing, or, you know, something that's $300,000 that's, that's gas. And everything else is going to be fully digitized. I hope we don't get there.

• 52:22Speaker 01

  Yeah, it would be very sad if, you know, as companies are pushed to raise their cafe average, you know, if they go, okay, all the cheaper cars, and I'm including the Cayman and the Boxster, like, if Porsche is going, all right, all of our lower stuff will be electrified, but the rich guys get to keep the gas thing. But, and it's truly like they sell the, the electric stuff to balance out and be able to sell the gas stuff.

• 52:44Matt Farah?

  But they're still only selling the gas stuff to the very, very rich people. They're not doing it to sell the gas stuff to the people, you know, to people who can have a lower budget.

• 52:53Speaker 01

  And some of that might be, you know, if they're restricted on the number of gas cars they can sell or how it offsets the electric stuff, but it just, it's a shitty thing to

• 53:01Matt Farah?

  It's a complex issue. It's just like, something that I have noticed is that these extremely high-end cars are getting more and more analog and not just the lower end cars, but the, the medium high-end cars are getting rapidly very digital.

• 53:17Speaker 01

  Sure.

• 53:19Matt Farah?

  You know, we just talked a couple of weeks ago about, I was like, all about this 992 dot 2 SC. And then I came home and drove my Boxster, which is a 2022 model year car, but it's essentially a 2013 model year car that's only lightly warmed over with a regular key and a real tack and all these things that are of the modern era, but real buttons and real tactile and real gauges and going, oh shit, this is actually better. I don't want to give this stuff up, you know?

• 53:51Speaker 01

  I think, but one, a question I would have is, let's, let's jump ahead 20 years. If Porsche needs to keep selling very expensive gas cars to people, they need to indoctrinate younger generations into the excitement of those gas cars, right? So the only way to do that is to sell cheaper cars to get them excited. You gotta get them in the Porsche family early and then they'll stay forever until they can afford to buy the Mission S3.

• 54:16Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:16Speaker 01

  But, you know, will they be able to do that with the Mission stuff? Do they want to do that? Like, I, I wonder if they were just stuck with this electrified 718 stuff because they put so much money into it and then went, fuck, like, we're, we're kind of screwed. All right, we're going to make this thing. And maybe, this is my optimism, the popularity, you know, of everyone requesting more analog stuff. They're selling it to the rich, like, where the rich go, the rest will eventually go. So the super, the hyper cars for a while were hybridized, 918, et cetera. They kind of introduced that technology to other cars. And now are we coming back around?

• 54:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 54:52Speaker 01

  People want less of it. So maybe we'll end up with a Boxster that's a hybrid, you know, tiny battery to like get around the city and then a good engine to rip around.

• 54:59Matt Farah?

  Maybe.

• 55:00Speaker 01

  It'd be heavy, but.

• 55:01Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Yeah, I don't know. Uh, I just, I, I hope that it's not,

• 55:09Matt Farah?

  we're not going to end up in a world where only the ultra-rich get to have engaging driving experiences. That would be a bummer.

• 55:18Speaker 01

  I think, I'd have enough faith in engineers that they would try to make electric cars as fun as possible. Like the people that, let's just say all cars that cost under 500 grand have to be electric. Just, you know, whatever, snap your fingers. People that work at Mazda and Nissan and Chevy and stuff, like, they're gonna, they're still going to be enthusiastic about driving and they're going to try to make it as fun as possible. It won't be the same.

• 55:42Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 55:43Speaker 01

  But 50 years from now, will a younger generation even care if it's all, if all they've known is, you know, electric speed? I don't know.

• 55:50Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I don't know.

• 55:54Matt Farah?

  But it seems like right now, there is a rapidly diminishing market for engaging sports cars. I mean, there's just, there just aren't very many of them. And, uh, and the new models that are being introduced seem to be all at the very, very high end.

• 56:13Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:13Matt Farah?

  There's, there's not a lot of new models being introduced that are under a hundred thousand dollars. And many that are over a million.

• 56:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 56:21Matt Farah?

  So, uh, yeah, so that's a thing.

• 56:27Matt Farah?

  What else? Do I have anything else for today other than, uh?

• 56:34Matt Farah?

  Nope, that's about it. I did take the, like, last night Hannah had a, uh, some, a work thing. And I, so I, I took myself to dinner and I, I brought a notebook and no phone. It's a nice thing to do once in a while. Sit down by yourself, notebook, no phone. I get a lot of good ideas about writing, writing that way. And I took the Manx and I, I looked at the sunset time like perfectly and like timed my drive to Venice for dinner. Like absolutely perfectly with like the glow and the warmth and the sparkle. And I had the right music going.

• 57:10Speaker 01

  Nice.

• 57:11Matt Farah?

  Pulled up to the restaurant, right in front of the beach, front row parking spot. Fucking karma. Fan fucking tastic. And, uh, go to leave and the guy goes, that's so cool. Never seen a rotary in one of those before.

• 57:27Matt Farah?

  Always.

• 57:28Speaker 01

  It does spin, yeah.

• 57:29Matt Farah?

  It says radial on the plate.

• 57:30Speaker 01

  Like I can't read.

• 57:33Matt Farah?

  Nobody can read.

• 57:34Speaker 01

  I mean, it doesn't sound anything like a rotary, thank God. Not my favorite sound.

• 57:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, right? Someone, someone just sent me some video of a new kind of rotary that they made. And it was installed in a go-kart, made like 25 horsepower.

• 57:47Speaker 01

  That'd be crazy.

• 57:48Matt Farah?

  Some new, small, very light rotary. I don't know.

• 57:52Speaker 01

  Did you watch the Max Verstappen versus 100, where he did the go-kart race?

• 57:57Matt Farah?

  Uh, clips. I didn't, I didn't watch the whole thing, but.

• 58:00Speaker 01

  It's, I mean, he races 100 people.

• 58:02Matt Farah?

  Yeah, you know, I, I do know the premise. It's a very good premise.

• 58:05Speaker 01

  He passed 64 karts in the first lap. It was, I mean, I knew he'd win.

• 58:10Matt Farah?

  Only person doing the hop at the start.

• 58:13Speaker 01

  Cause he's the only, he's one of the only people who has kart racing experience.

• 58:17Matt Farah?

  That is the most basic ass bullshit. That's, that's like, that's a, that's crucial to the start of any go-kart race. If you're the only person doing the hop, no fucking shit are you getting around 50 people in a lap. I could get around 50 people in a lap if I'm the only person hopping at the green flag.

• 58:35Speaker 01

  Lean forward to like accelerate quicker.

• 58:37Matt Farah?

  Do you know how much difference that shit makes?

• 58:39Speaker 01

  He passed 15, he passed 15 cars, I think, before the start line because of that.

• 58:43Matt Farah?

  No, when I used to race go-karts as a fat adult at GPNY in New York, I would, not only would I hop to start, I would hop the entire first lap. I would hop for like two minutes, the whole fucking lap, pulling out of every single corner.

• 58:59Speaker 01

  Really?

• 59:00Matt Farah?

  Yes. It made an enormous difference.

• 59:02Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 59:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I couldn't.

• 59:03Speaker 01

  So straight Mario Kart, like Mario Kart, you hop around the corners and you accelerate.

• 59:08Matt Farah?

  I did it coming out of every single corner and it made a really big difference. Every hair, every hairpin.

• 59:13Speaker 01

  Hair, low accelerator.

• 59:15Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 59:15Speaker 01

  Yeah, low speed acceleration.

• 59:16Matt Farah?

  It made, it made a huge difference. I couldn't keep it up the whole race, but I, I would make up, I would get through a bunch of people on lap one. I, like, when I saw the video and they're like, look at Max's strategy. I was like, respect to Max Verstappen, obviously the dude is the, the talent of talents. But like hopping, that's the genius fucking move? Nobody been in a go-kart before?

• 59:38Speaker 01

  I mean, I've been in a go-kart, I don't know, 12 times in my life, probably. And I think I've only seen the hop from you and that's because you raced at GPNY for how many years? How many times? You know, you had the.

• 59:49Matt Farah?

  I mean, for two years, but many, many times.

• 59:51Speaker 01

  Right.

• 59:51Matt Farah?

  But like hop, I don't know. I don't, I don't see that as very advanced karting. I see that as pretty basic.

• 59:56Speaker 01

  No, I mean, then the rest of the race, obviously he just absolutely.

• 59:58Matt Farah?

  For sure.

• 59:59Speaker 01

  It took him 27 laps to, no, he beat everybody in like 15. It was crazy. They had so much extra time.

• 1:00:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But I want, you know, they're all like kind of racing each other too. You know, the, the, the number of them is actually sort of a distraction for them, whereas not so much for him.

• 1:00:17Speaker 01

  Oh, watching people push each other off was hilarious. And then he slipped through and they were, it was pandemonium for the first two laps. And then there were also, uh, there were no track limits, I think, being called.

• 1:00:28Matt Farah?

  Deep grass.

• 1:00:29Speaker 01

  He ran four off a couple of times, yeah, across the rumbles, yeah.

• 1:00:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah. But for those of you out there, if you're kart racing, you hop at the start line. That is, that's how you do it. And also, I mean, this is a little more advanced, but let's pretend this is your, your steering wheel in your golf cart. I'm holding this, uh, this.

• 1:00:46Speaker 01

  That could also be steering wheel in your, uh, in your Model S Plaid.

• 1:00:49Matt Farah?

  In your Model, yeah.

• 1:00:52Matt Farah?

  If you are, uh, if you're, when you're karting, um, you can bend the chassis of the kart using the steering wheel. So when you're turning the kart, you press the inside of the steering wheel. The inside of the, the inside, meaning the, the side to the, on the inside of the corner. You press that away from you and pull the outside towards you. And that flexes the chassis of the kart and gives you more grip at the apex. And it takes a lot of muscle to affect it, but you do that while steering and it is illegit. Oh, wait, did I say it backwards? I'm sorry.

• 1:01:32Speaker 01

  So if you're turning left?

• 1:01:33Matt Farah?

  If you're turning left.

• 1:01:35Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:01:35Matt Farah?

  Sorry, if you're turning left, you turn the wheel left and pull your left hand towards you and push your right away from you. I think I said it backwards before. You push the outside and pull the, and pull the inside. Anyway, that's, that's another good trick that I assure you Max Verstappen is also doing.

• 1:01:54Matt Farah?

  Should we go to the people?

• 1:01:55Speaker 01

  Yeah, we're at 40, we're at 50.

• 1:01:57Matt Farah?

  Oh, how about that? We'll go to the people at Patreon. We love these motherfuckers out there. There are tickets, free tickets to our Miami show. If you're in South Florida, come see us. You gotta buy a ticket to get into the Time to Drive Watch and Car Festival in Miami. And then if you're a patron, there's a code on the Patreon page that will get you free tickets to our live podcast, which is Inside That Show. And, um, IndyCar legend Scott Dixon will be with us as LeMans, IndyCar legend, LeMans legend, Scott Dixon, and a hell of a nice guy, um, will be joining us for that podcast. Very, very cool stuff. And, uh, do we have anything else to promote?

• 1:02:42Matt Farah?

  No, really? Not right now. That's it. Okay. Patreon.com slash the Smoking Tire Podcast is where you ask questions of the show, get the live show, get the show early, get extra show, get the show without ads, and get access, uh, sometimes exclusive access to, uh, collabs and things that we do with other brands, and free tickets to see us in Miami. British Smoking Green says, where in the world have you encountered the tightest parking spaces? Well.

• 1:03:13Speaker 01

  I mean, Europe.

• 1:03:13Matt Farah?

  Monaco. Monaco parking garages are challenging if you have a supercar.

• 1:03:18Speaker 01

  Yeah. When, when Tom and I drove the SLS Black Series back from, we drove it from France up to England to return it after a drive shoot. And I remember he was going down a road looking like, small town, we're going down a street to try to find parking. And he just stops and we had to back, like, the road kept narrowing and he just had to back up. We had to find a new idea.

• 1:03:38Matt Farah?

  Yeah, uh, I've been to some places in Italy, you know, where, where parking space is just like, it's just like, whatever. Like wherever the car goes, like, that's just where it goes. Like anywhere that was built for horses and karts, you know?

• 1:03:53Speaker 01

  I guess Japan, Tokyo might have the tightest because of the K cars, right? It's like technically that'd be the smallest parking spot. Cause the, the cars are smaller.

• 1:04:03Matt Farah?

  I don't recall having any trouble parking in Japan. I think they have standardized parking spaces, but you don't, you have to own a parking space to buy a regular car. You don't have to own a parking space to buy a K car. That's, that's why K cars exist there, but I don't think their actual spaces are smaller. Like, it's more like in Europe where like the cities were built before anyone ever heard of cars. Yeah, and you know, like a thousand years old, yeah. She put her Volvo on my pole like a star. How will the Mission S affect 911 demand, value and availability? Uh, won't. Right? Won't. It won't affect the 911 at all.

• 1:04:47Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:04:47Matt Farah?

  No, it's, it's, it's a different car. Price different.

• 1:04:51Speaker 01

  It costs 10 times more.

• 1:04:52Matt Farah?

  Yeah. The, the, yeah.

• 1:04:53Speaker 01

  The 918's existence didn't really hurt 911 sales.

• 1:04:57Matt Farah?

  In fact, it did a lot. For 918, 918 is really what started that flywheel of allocations, where if you bought the 918 because it wasn't selling well, you were guaranteed allocations for 10 years. So I don't think they're doing that anymore. I don't think they have to.

• 1:05:14Speaker 01

  No.

• 1:05:15Matt Farah?

  They'll sell everyone they can build just because of, of, but, um, but I don't think it will necessarily affect. Cause it's not like, it's not like they're gonna go, oh, well, we can't get you the Mission S, but we can get you a GT3 RS. It's like, those are already hard to get, you know? So they may make people buy base 911s or undesigned, but I doubt it. Cause people, people that are getting one of those, that are getting an allocation for a Mission S are deep in the ecosystem already. You know?

• 1:05:48Matt Farah?

  Quadrofolio face, what's more likely, this is gonna be this whole fucking show. I get a Mission S allocation or someone successfully kickflips their Tesla Roadster out of gridlock onto a frontage road. That would be the best use of the kickflip function. But like, having said that, I was able to successfully do that in my Ford Raptor by turning the wheel to the right. You know what I'm saying? Like, he's saying, can you kickflip your Tesla out of traffic into a frontage road?

• 1:06:22Speaker 01

  Oh, I thought you meant you flipped the Raptor.

• 1:06:24Matt Farah?

  No, I was able to exit the road and drive down a frontage road by just like turning off the road, cuz I had an off-road vehicle.

• 1:06:32Speaker 01

  Well, there's also like an exit, but in this case, you could kickflip over a fence perhaps, and land on frontage and continue.

• 1:06:38Matt Farah?

  I guarantee you, doing that is a proper crime.

• 1:06:43Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, yeah, and you'd break your spine.

• 1:06:46Matt Farah?

  Yeah. Johnny E.V. Gerberman, um, wait, what? Okay, that's not a question. Tame Impala SS, uh, is the Tesla Roadster is inspired by the SR71 Blackbird and F-35 with no visible tie to either of them. It's also not a Roadster. Well, the F-35 has been a huge boondoggle.

• 1:07:09Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:07:10Matt Farah?

  It was delayed way, way, way longer than-

• 1:07:13Speaker 01

  And went way, way over budget.

• 1:07:15Matt Farah?

  Way longer, way over budget, and-

• 1:07:17Speaker 01

  I guess it does look more F-35, but it doesn't look anything SR71. But car companies, Tesla's not the first car company to say that we were inspired by the SR71, like, it's the coolest fucking plane ever, so.

• 1:07:29Matt Farah?

  It's like blasé at this point.

• 1:07:30Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:07:31Matt Farah?

  Eyes Up Farah, when do you plan on seeing Metallica at the Sphere? Maybe in the spring.

• 1:07:38Speaker 01

  How long are they gonna be there?

• 1:07:39Matt Farah?

  I think there's like a run in the fall and then another run in the spring.

• 1:07:43Speaker 01

  All right, that gives me time. I was really stoked, but then I think tickets started like $750 or something like that, and then I was less interested.

• 1:07:51Matt Farah?

  Straight up, I'm not buying tickets. I'm waiting for Christian's connect to connect.

• 1:07:55Speaker 01

  That's what I'm hoping for as well.

• 1:07:56Matt Farah?

  That's gonna happen. When Christian goes, I go. I will handle the hotel suite and the transportation. Christian will provide me the ticket. A third party will provide the hallucinogens, and we will have a very good time.

• 1:08:11Speaker 01

  Do you see- Hallucinogens with Metallica might be-

• 1:08:14Matt Farah?

  No, it'll be fun.

• 1:08:15Speaker 01

  Interesting.

• 1:08:16Matt Farah?

  Our friend, you know Dean Delray?

• 1:08:17Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:18Matt Farah?

  Comic?

• 1:08:19Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:20Matt Farah?

  Were you here when he did the show?

• 1:08:21Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:08:22Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I saw him, I saw him recently. I love Dean Delray. He's a 9/11 guy. He opens for Bill Burr. Very, very funny. Lot of car material. We should have him back. He, uh, he had a bit that was on Instagram about the Sphere. He's like, you see the Sphere on Instagram and you go, "I'm gonna do some mushrooms at the Sphere." And he goes, "No, you fucking don't." He's like, double black diamond level tripping at the Sphere.

• 1:08:49Speaker 01

  Oh, yeah, I do remember that, yeah. It's also very steep to walk up and down.

• 1:08:52Matt Farah?

  Uh, Eric Kirk's new big block Chevy, um, formerly long dipstick, short pan. You guys recently gave car advice and I made the mistake of driving a friend's C6 Corvette Grand Sport while looking for a non-V8 coupe. For a commuter, is a stick worth the hassle or is auto okay? The autos are cheap and plentiful, uh, will be a sometime weekend car when my turbo Accord is down. If you're talking about a Corvette C6, that auto fucking sucks.

• 1:09:27Speaker 01

  It is garbage.

• 1:09:28Matt Farah?

  Yes. There's a reason they're cheap and plentiful.

• 1:09:31Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:09:32Matt Farah?

  That is a trashish.

• 1:09:33Speaker 01

  It's not fun, like, you won't have fun driving it. The shifts up and down are so slow, the weekend drives, you will regret it on the first day, for sure. Just deal with driving a manual in town.

• 1:09:45Matt Farah?

  Do me a favor, Zach. Hit up the Google machine, please, and see if someone has done a Corvette C6 8HP swap. Is that possible?

• 1:09:55Speaker 01

  Well, it's a transaxle car.

• 1:09:58Matt Farah?

  Is there an 8HP that comes as a transaxle? So someone did a C5.

• 1:10:03Speaker 01

  Wow.

• 1:10:05Matt Farah?

  Yeah, look, here, look, C6 Corvette 8-speed swap, LSX Dan.

• 1:10:12Speaker 01

  Uh, people might be doing it. Well, Dan, that's a nine-second video.

• 1:10:18Matt Farah?

  Okay. Well, it seems like maybe it's possible, but if you wanted to get into a project and you really want an automatic Corvette, and I would only do it if the 8HP swap works. But like, cuz you do not want a 2005-era GM 6-speed auto in a sports car.

• 1:10:38Speaker 01

  So, this is from Corvette Forum, and a year ago, someone said, "Who's gonna be the first to swap the 8HP?" This guy says, "Most people will swap in a GM 8-speed, cuz it pretty much drops in."

• 1:10:47Matt Farah?

  Oh.

• 1:10:48Speaker 01

  Uh, that's pretty crazy.

• 1:10:49Matt Farah?

  Oh, okay. Well, maybe if you can just do the GM version of it, that would be better. But again, that's a project.

• 1:10:55Speaker 01

  And also, then you're raising the cost of the vehicle. So if you're trying to save money and get a C6 auto, and then suddenly you're doing this project, I would just spring for a manual. Yeah, get one with slightly higher miles and have it just, it's already done.

• 1:11:07Matt Farah?

  Yeah, change seats and that's it. Granny shifting, not double clutching like you should. The consensus seems to be that the Mission S will be 500K MSRP. Will dealers still add ADM? Will Porsches exceed in going up market?

• 1:11:22Speaker 01

  It'll be more than that.

• 1:11:23Matt Farah?

  I think it'll be more.

• 1:11:24Speaker 01

  I mean, that's the price of a 9/11 ST. I mean, a little bit higher than MSRP, but like, this thing, look at it. Look at it.

• 1:11:32Matt Farah?

  I think it's gonna be, I think it's gonna be supercar price, which now, you know, even a Temerario starts with a 5. So, the 296 Speciale started with a 7.

• 1:11:44Speaker 01

  I think this would start with a 7 or above. And look, they just announced they wanna move up market with the regular, quote, "regular" cars.

• 1:11:52Matt Farah?

  This is, this is gonna compete with, in terms of market price, 849 Ferrari, Revuelto, Valhalla, stuff like that. Yeah. McLaren, McLaren, maybe not W1, maybe W1, maybe not. Certainly the 7, 78, 788, whatever that last version of the 7-series car, uh, is. Will dealers add ADM? Yes, they will. Yeah, oh, yes, oh, yes. Dalton is looking for a daily commuter, and I split my time between Phoenix and Salt Lake and make the roughly 10-hour drive once a month. My daily-in commuter is a Subaru Outback in Phoenix.

• 1:12:35Matt Farah?

  I also have an E63 wagon in Salt Lake City. Uh, I wanna replace the boring Outback. Should I get something besides a new Golf R? I need room for bikes, skis, and it has to be all-wheel drive. I have 50,000 bucks, and the Golf R seems to check all the boxes. Yeah?

• 1:12:53Speaker 01

  I mean, if you want a trunk, you could get an S3. Like, I know it's the same car, but-

• 1:12:59Matt Farah?

  Can an Audi Allroad? That might be more than 50 grand, an A4 Allroad. Yeah. That might be a little more, but like, that would be a nice upgrade from an Outback also. Not as fun.

• 1:13:10Speaker 01

  Those start at 73.

• 1:13:11Matt Farah?

  Woo, really?

• 1:13:12Speaker 01

  A6 Allroad, yeah.

• 1:13:13Matt Farah?

  Oh, cuz it's an A6. They don't have an A4 Allroad anymore.

• 1:13:16Speaker 01

  No, they don't, but-

• 1:13:17Matt Farah?

  Do they even have an A4 anymore? It might all be A5 now.

• 1:13:20Speaker 01

  Oh.

• 1:13:21Matt Farah?

  They have muddled their product lineup a little bit.

• 1:13:26Speaker 01

  Someone sent me a video, real quick, of like, someone basically bolting on an aftermarket yoke steering wheel into an Audi, and it's like, "Look, we're the first to do it." And I looked, it's on a Q5, no, A5. But like-

• 1:13:37Matt Farah?

  What are we doing here?

• 1:13:38Speaker 01

  You need a really quick steering ratio to make that reasonable. And this is a fucking normal car? It's so dumb.

• 1:13:46Matt Farah?

  I remember seeing a guy at a car show once that had an Infiniti G37 coupe, and he made a yoke by just cutting the top and bottom off of the stock.

• 1:13:57Speaker 01

  It was blue, right? It was like teal? Yeah. Just do that!

• 1:14:01Matt Farah?

  Imagine steering, I mean, that's literally like what the Tesla yoke was, effectively.

• 1:14:06Speaker 01

  And if, yeah, do that instead of bolting on a carbon fiber thing.

• 1:14:10Matt Farah?

  Um, yeah, Dalton, I mean, for me, I think the Golf R is a lovely car that you will really like for that budget. I mean, um-

• 1:14:17Speaker 01

  You also, there's probably used offerings from BMW, X-Drive stuff, like, those are really comfortable, they're good long-distance cars.

• 1:14:24Matt Farah?

  Dude, 50K, you could get a Panamera Sport Turismo used. Like a 2018 Panamera Sport Turismo, you could probably even get an S for 50K. Jeff Swart, our good friend and client, goes back and forth from Aspen to Los Angeles at least once a month. This car, I think this car's got 150,000 miles on it, from going back and forth. It looks great. Cargo box on the roof, it's chalk, it looks awesome, but the interior and stuff has really held up nicely. It's not even a, it's a 4, it's not even an S. It's just a base one, but he's just like, I think he gets 28 miles a gallon in this thing with a cargo box on it.

• 1:15:08Speaker 01

  That's really good.

• 1:15:09Matt Farah?

  Yeah, cuz he just sets the cruise at like 83, and there's just, the thing is loafing like nothing.

• 1:15:14Speaker 01

  Yeah, if you could do a, like, CPO or something with a warranty, cuz otherwise it's gonna get expensive. That's a cool option.

• 1:15:20Matt Farah?

  CPO, if you can find a Panamera Sport Turismo, that's a side hustle that I- I think you could be down with. Yeah. John Wilkes Bluetooth. It's alright.

• 1:15:31Speaker 01

  That one's awesome.

• 1:15:32Matt Farah?

  Uh, I picked up a Lexus RCF last year, starting to do some modding to it. I've got lighter weight wheels on the list, and I'm looking at lightweight two-piece rotors as well. With a car that's almost 4,000 pounds, will I notice a dynamic difference by removing 10 or 15 pounds a corner? Yeah, probably.

• 1:15:51Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:15:51Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I think so. That's a lot. 10, 15 pounds a corner? That's a, that's a bunch.

• 1:15:58Speaker 01

  Yeah, that's a, that's a huge weight reduction.

• 1:16:00Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:00Speaker 01

  Unsprung weight, wow.

• 1:16:02Matt Farah?

  I, these cars were so heavy, man.

• 1:16:05Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:16:05Matt Farah?

  They didn't turn in for fucking shit.

• 1:16:07Speaker 01

  They didn't, they, they're pretty good race cars. I mean, the Lexus team.

• 1:16:10Matt Farah?

  That's built by like.

• 1:16:12Speaker 01

  I know, but.

• 1:16:13Matt Farah?

  Those aren't built by.

• 1:16:14Speaker 01

  Built by people. I'm just saying that, like, I'm surprised they're still competitive because the car seems so old to me.

• 1:16:20Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:20Speaker 01

  But yes, this car was very heavy.

• 1:16:22Matt Farah?

  Um, I, I, reducing unsprung weight though, is a great way to change, make everything about your car better, and you'll feel the changes too. It'll turn in harder, it'll stop better, it'll go better.

• 1:16:35Speaker 01

  I wonder if someone, surely they have like, the math of how much unsprung weight reduction is equal to like, like what that's equal to in sprung reduction.

• 1:16:45Matt Farah?

  I think it's six.

• 1:16:45Speaker 01

  In terms of feel.

• 1:16:46Matt Farah?

  I think it's six to one.

• 1:16:47Speaker 01

  Oh, okay.

• 1:16:48Matt Farah?

  Pounds of sprung weight versus pounds, pounds of unsprung weight.

• 1:16:51Speaker 01

  If this person drops 40 pounds total, that's like dropping 240 pounds from the chassis.

• 1:16:55Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:16:56Speaker 01

  Noticeable.

• 1:16:56Matt Farah?

  I, I, I, I'm pretty sure the, the last math I heard on sprung versus unsprung was six to one is a good estimate. Yeah. From Head Gaskets Unworthy. Okay.

• 1:17:09Matt Farah?

  We're gonna read, we're gonna read this one. Uh, and it is a quote from a patron, from Head Gaskets Unworthy. "I work in aerospace, and that roadster demo shit was fake as fuck. The system I work on can't even do that, and it is significantly lighter than an EV, and it uses not air to move. Have there been other gimmicky features in cars of the past that turned out to be fraudulent? And what was their outcome for the company?"

• 1:17:36Speaker 01

  I did, this total speculation, when I watched the video of the car going off the, the inverted ramp, at the end of the, as you near the end of the ramp, the curve flattens out. It's got like a bump in it, they couldn't make a curve. And the front of the car goes like, comes up a bit and then comes back down. But it's inverted. And I thought, well, wouldn't.

• 1:17:56Matt Farah?

  If there was a cable on it.

• 1:17:58Speaker 01

  Well, or like a magnet on the backside or something like that. But I was just like, if, if, if it's using the fans for suction, but then this little bump would break the seal of the side skirt.

• 1:18:06Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:18:07Speaker 01

  Maybe the fan suction's strong, but maybe at that point you have enough centrifugal force and a bunch of other things. But I was just like, oh, that's interesting.

• 1:18:12Matt Farah?

  Yeah. I don't, I, I, I wouldn't go so far as to outright say what they did was fake.

• 1:18:18Speaker 01

  No, I'm not trying to get sued by Elon Musk.

• 1:18:19Matt Farah?

  Very, very confident in saying that what they did would not be possible in the thing they're going to sell you. Like, they put on a beautiful fucking spectacle of a show. Whatever it was, whatever we saw, but you ain't buying that thing. Straight up.

• 1:18:36Speaker 01

  Probably just weighs, it would just weigh too much, right? It's gonna be like a 4,000 pound car.

• 1:18:41Matt Farah?

  Yeah, I mean, what, what, what a fucking, the capsule that they put on top of the giant rocket that they have to send into orbit. I mean, what does that weigh?

• 1:18:50Speaker 01

  What do you mean?

• 1:18:50Matt Farah?

  Like, it's not as heavy as a car, right? It's light.

• 1:18:53Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:18:55Matt Farah?

  So moving, move, flying around a bunch.

• 1:18:57Speaker 01

  In outer space where there's no weight. So that they can use, I mean, and the VP of Engineering, I think Motor Trend interviewed him. He did say that they have to use way more thrust down here to control something than they would in space.

• 1:19:08Matt Farah?

  Well, I, I'm not gonna outright call the demo fake, but I, I,

• 1:19:13Matt Farah?

  if, if we have people who actually do work in aerospace and can explain in, in serious detail in what ways it will, is fake, I will hear you out, for sure. You know, because I, I don't know enough about thrusters to be able to tell you if they could do that or not. You know, but they put on a hell of a show, but pass, you know, this fucking company has repeatedly just sold the biggest line of bullshit to people that fucking eat it up. And by the time the car comes around, none of it's real. And life just seems to go on. There's not a lot of consequence.

• 1:19:52Speaker 01

  I don't know, what's, what's, again, is so annoying is that, like, so much of the stuff that they have bragged or boasted or hypothesized they would make that never transpired, didn't, like, they still sold a lot of cars because people like them, and they're good appliances, and like, all that stuff. Like, they could have just been a good, pretty good, normal car company.

• 1:20:12Matt Farah?

  But you don't get a valuation of whatever 100x earnings or whatever the crazy number is, unless it's, unless it's all bullshit.

• 1:20:20Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:20:21Matt Farah?

  Like, it has to be bullshit. Otherwise, "Oh, you mean the company's worth is based on the things we sold? Get the fuck out of here. We can't live like that? How am I going to impregnate half of Northern California before buying my own island? And then the US government if all I'm doing is selling neat cars?"

• 1:20:41Speaker 01

  That's true.

• 1:20:42Matt Farah?

  I need to, you, I need to.

• 1:20:44Speaker 01

  Well, you have to, like, the robotaxi thing is, your car, Matt Farah, your Model 3 will be a taxi and earn revenue, which then people go, well, that will earn the company revenue because they're gonna take a fee, so they're gonna have all these sources of revenue that will go far beyond just selling cars and, you know, charging them. Yeah.

• 1:21:00Matt Farah?

  Cool.

• 1:21:01Speaker 01

  It's an interesting world we live in.

• 1:21:03Matt Farah?

  The worst people get to fucking run shit. Like, those are the worst people. It's crazy.

• 1:21:09Speaker 01

  Because it's sell show, house, right, you know, move to the top.

• 1:21:13Matt Farah?

  Thanks for listening. Are there more, or was that it?

• 1:21:16Speaker 01

  Um, let me see if there's new ones.

• 1:21:19Speaker 01

  That was all I'd copied and pasted at the time.

• 1:21:20Matt Farah?

  That's fine, that's fine. That's all I have to say about that.

• 1:21:28Matt Farah?

  He did a sig heil twice.

• 1:21:29Speaker 01

  I know.

• 1:21:30Matt Farah?

  On stage, both directions.

• 1:21:31Speaker 01

  Oh, I, yeah, nah, yeah. That was not okay.

• 1:21:33Matt Farah?

  Yeah. At a, at a political rally.

• 1:21:36Speaker 01

  I will not accept anybody's excuse for that stuff.

• 1:21:37Matt Farah?

  Yeah, no, yeah. It's very easy to not do Nazi and Nazi adjacent things. Just like, like, it's really easy to not crash your car in the canyons.

• 1:21:48Speaker 01

  Yeah.

• 1:21:49Matt Farah?

  Like, it's so easy. You just like, don't.

• 1:21:51Speaker 01

  You just choose not to.

• 1:21:52Matt Farah?

  You just, you literally choose not to do that.

• 1:21:55Speaker 01

  You do risk assessment, you go, actually, this is not a good idea. Because in the past, people have done this, and it didn't work out for them. So I'm gonna not do that.

• 1:22:03Matt Farah?

  Yeah.

• 1:22:04Speaker 01

  Works for both.

• 1:22:05Matt Farah?

  That's how, like, any other excuse for having a crash in the canyons is like, pretty much not acceptable because you could just choose to not do that up there. Just like, if you're onstage at a political event, you could not do Nazi salutes, but if you do, Trump lets you run the government for a little while. Cool. But yeah, like, definitely hype this dude up uncritically, um, and just print whatever they say in your publications. That's a good idea, too.

• 1:22:33Speaker 01

  Um, that is all the questions.

• 1:22:35Matt Farah?

  Great.

• 1:22:35Speaker 01

  No new ones.

• 1:22:36Matt Farah?

  I'll see you motherfuckers later.