Thanksgiving Special: Great Finds (Products, Apps, Media)

On this special Thanksgiving episode, Sam Parr (@theSamParr) and Shaan Puri (@ShaanVP) share their favorite products they are using, apps they have downloaded, and media they are consuming. _____ * Do you love MFM and want to see Sam and Shaan's smiling faces? Subscribe to our Youtube channel. * Want more insights like MFM? Check out Shaan's newsletter. _____ Show Notes & Links: (5:05) - Zero (7:30) - Five Minute Journal (9:30) - The Science of Gratitude (13:20) - Othership (15:30) - fatFIRE Subreddit (26:00) - Confessions of a Hectomillionaire (27:35) - Archive.today (36:55) - Chris D'Elia YouTube (41:35) - Rose Namajunas "I'm the Best" (42:14) - Primitive Technology YouTube (46:30) - How to be Great by Steph Smith (47:15) - More Plates More Dates (48:25) - Little Golden America PDF (50:15) - Everyday Habit Tracker (51:40) - Camo (54:05) - How to Sell Anything by Tony Robbins (56:00) - The Boron Letters by Gary Halpert

Speaker names marked ? are inferred from speaking time and the show’s known hosts — they are not voice-verified.

• 0:00Shaan Puri?

  What is it about this writing style that's so slippery that I just can't get it? It's like a Tik Tok feed. I can't get out of it, you know? And so I would say it's like more like a door where you kind of got to go knock and and take a leap of faith that there is something on the other side of this. You can't see exactly what you're going to get until the door opens.

• 0:27Sam Parr?

  All right, we're live. Cool sweatshirt. What's going on?

• 0:32Shaan Puri?

  Oh dude, I already told you, I couldn't, I can't talk about it on, on air, but I am,

• 0:38Shaan Puri?

  you know, there's some days where a fire, there's a fire on the third floor and you got to grab the extinguisher and go put it out. And so that's what I've been doing today is putting out, and I'm glad that I did this, which is we had a bunch of family coming into town for Thanksgiving. Wife was like, oh yeah, it's great. We got my sister coming. We got this person coming. This person's coming from India. It's like, oh God, okay. She's like, you know, we should host Thanksgiving. I said, you know, I love the giving spirit. I love the idea, but we're not hosting anything on Thanksgiving. Why? Because we have an e-commerce company and Black Friday is the biggest sales day of the year. And she said, well, what are we going to do? Like, you know, it's just going to sell online. Like we're not going to go to the warehouse or something and go fulfill it. You know, so what do we do? I said, sometimes you got to create space

• 1:21Shaan Puri?

  because you just want to be available. You want to have buffer. You don't want to be fully booked in case you need to do it. Maybe you have an idea that something you could do to drive sales. Or in this case, what if shit absolutely hit the fan and you had to do something to recover? Which is exactly what happened today. I created space. My COO was like, oh, I'm just going to go pick this person up from the airport that day. It should be no problem. Guess what? She's in the car, the shit's hitting the fan and she can't get to a computer and she did not create enough space. And so that was a great lesson.

• 1:51Sam Parr?

  That's an evolution for you because you are not the man at creating space.

• 1:55Shaan Puri?

  I was not a space creator. That's, that's come with, you know, some gray hairs and wisdom is, is this idea. So I'm glad I did it because shit's hitting the fan today. And, you know, I'm just hoping that, I told you before this, I'm hoping that, you know, my, my safety, my savings, my under the mattress savings of good luck needs to be cashed in today. I'm just, I'm reaching under the mattress. I'm hoping it's still there. I feel like I put it there. I'm hoping that good luck is still there. I need it today.

• 2:22Sam Parr?

  Well, okay, so I've got, so what we're gonna, we're gonna talk about products and media that we like, but, and I have a couple, I got one thing in particular that's gonna make a difference on your day, today, actually.

• 2:33Shaan Puri?

  Okay.

• 2:34Sam Parr?

  We can talk about it later, but, so today's episode is, we're gonna talk about products and media that we've consumed throughout the year that we think are cool. Cause I like talking about gadgets and media, and so do you. The stuff that you talked about laps, last episode was actually quite amazing. That article about data and how it's easy to read data incorrectly.

• 2:56Shaan Puri?

  Kind of like a great find. It's kinda, is that the idea?

• 2:58Sam Parr?

  Great finds, exactly.

• 3:00Shaan Puri?

  These are great finds we've had this year, whether it's a product, or it's a piece of content, great finds. I think that's in the Thanksgiving spirit, like, you know, being thankful for it, but also, people have time, hopefully people are creating a little space, you know, you spend some family time, and, but, but people have time over the holidays, and this is a good chance to either buy this as a gift for yourself, for somebody else, or to just check something out that you haven't tried before.

• 3:23Sam Parr?

  All right, well, let's start. Do you, you name one, and I'll name one, or I can name a couple, what do you want to do?

• 3:27Shaan Puri?

  Okay, let's do, let's, I think we both have an app that we really like. Two different apps, so let's do the category of apps. So what's a great find you had that's an app this year?

• 3:38Sam Parr?

  Okay, unfortunately, a lot of things I might name are gonna involve fitness, a lot of them are gonna be money related.

• 3:44Shaan Puri?

  It's a fitness influencer life, bro.

• 3:46Sam Parr?

  A lot of them will be money related, though, actually, and relaxation and mindset. So, the first one, Zero, it's called Zero, I believe Kevin Rose started it. Okay, so I, I never thought that I was intermittent fasting, but in order just not to overeat throughout the day, I just wouldn't eat breakfast. Turns out that's called intermittent fasting, that's not why I did it. This app called Zero, it's free, they have a paid version, which honestly, I don't think does anything, but the free version, you, you say when you had your last meal, and it just tells you, don't eat until, and then you, in my case, it's 16 hours. It's awesome, I love it. I can't believe how that one app actually makes me want to stick to it, as opposed to when I'm on my own. So that, that app has made a meaningful change in my day.

• 4:25Shaan Puri?

  What are you fasting, you're doing 16, 8, or you're doing more intense than that?

• 4:28Sam Parr?

  I do, I do 16, 8, so basically, I'll stop eating at 8:00 PM, and I'll eat again at noon.

• 4:34Shaan Puri?

  Right. So six, that means 16 hours not eating, eight hours eating. And when you eat in your eight hours, are you like, you know, eating kale salads or you eat whatever you want in those eight hours? What do you?

• 4:45Sam Parr?

  I don't eat whatever I want. I usually eat meat and vegetables. That's what I, I work hard.

• 4:50Shaan Puri?

  Do you portion size or no portion sizing within that eight hours? You're fine. You just eat till you're full?

• 4:55Sam Parr?

  Yeah, I portion control. Yeah, definitely. I eat very, yeah, for sure. I try to eat 2,500 calories a day.

• 5:02Shaan Puri?

  Good, good. All right. So I have anything else on zero? I think that's a, that's a good one.

• 5:07Sam Parr?

  No, that's it.

• 5:07Shaan Puri?

  I've tried the app as well. I like it. It's a super clean interface. It's like, I like apps that just do one thing really well. And that's what that does. Okay. Here's an app. I think I've talked about this, but I got big into breath work. And so there's two apps that if you want to have kind of like a happier life, there's a lot of apps that will distract you. Instagram, Tik Tok, whatever. There's apps that will make you more productive, but they'll distract you from the real world. That's like email, Slack, maybe Twitter. And then there's apps that actually center you and ground you. And so my phone had enough of the distraction apps. I had enough of the productivity apps.

• 5:47Shaan Puri?

  Where I was lacking was, hey, how can I use this magic wand? That's how I think of my phone. It's a magic wand. I make, I just, I install an app and that's like a spell that I just could do some magic thing. I can get food to appear at my doorstep. Or I can, you know, summon a car or I could do all kinds of different crazy stuff. I can put my, you know, my mom thousands of miles away. Her face can show up on my phone. Well, this one gets me grounded. And so there's two apps I want to call out. One, I think we've talked about before, it's called the five minute journal.

• 6:15Shaan Puri?

  I ended up meeting the guy who, who, who made this app.

• 6:17Sam Parr?

  I didn't know that was an app. I thought it was a notebook.

• 6:20Shaan Puri?

  There is a notebook and then there's the app apps.

• 6:22Sam Parr?

  Oh, that's cool.

• 6:23Shaan Puri?

  It's a paid app. I think it's three bucks or five bucks or something like that, which is so funny because when I saw that, I was like, I don't pay for apps. I was like, wow, like my threshold for paying for shit on a phone is so low compared to like, you know, a parking, it's a parking meter. But I get to use this app forever that some guy created and coded and makes it do all these things. So. Five bucks and what it does is you open it up and it basically just has a quote while it loads. It's always a good quote. They do. They have good selection. And then it basically says one of three things you're grateful for today. And the act of writing those down is

• 6:55Sam Parr?

  Looking at it. This looks great.

• 6:57Shaan Puri?

  You know, not to get super cheesy, but basically the more grateful you are, the less stressed you are. You cannot be grateful and stressed at the same time. You cannot be grateful and afraid at the same time. You cannot be grateful and angry at the same time. So if you just want to not be any of those bad things, just focus on being grateful rather than not being whatever. It's like when you tell somebody, relax when they're really pissed off. Guess what? They don't really relax very well. So you're telling somebody to not be angry or not be stressed doesn't work, but telling, but getting somebody to shift their focus to being grateful works actually really well.

• 7:27Sam Parr?

  What questions does it ask?

• 7:29Shaan Puri?

  It just says what three, what three things happened today that you're grateful for. And it's today, it's things that happened today, not like, what are three things in your life that you're grateful for. And then you just sort of monotonously, you say, my health, my family and my friends. It's like, no, what happened today that I'm grateful for? What's a moment of today? Then it forces you to slow down time because you're like, shit, what did I even eat for lunch today? What did I do today? And then you're like, you think of one thing and you're like, God, there must have been something more than that that I'm grateful for. You kind of suck at it the first day. They suck at it the second day. By the third day, something happens during the day and you're like, ah, I'm gonna write this in the app tonight. Like, that's the thing. And so it forces you during the day to actually take note of what you're grateful for, which makes you a more grateful person. All right.

• 8:10Sam Parr?

  So, uh, let me just tell you something really quick. So Andrew Huberman, one of the things on my list, Andrew Huberman recently had a new video come up, come out called The Science of Gratitude and How to Build a Gratitude Practice. Andrew Huberman was on our podcast. He's got this amazing pod and YouTube channel where he talks about the science behind different things and how you can use it to help you. And his latest thing is on gratitude. And he says that he's been doing gratitude and I don't want to get into the science, but basically there's something about like the prefrontal cortex and how gratitude actually releases dopamine and it's proven to make you more motivated and happy. And he said, a lot of people, including him, did exactly what you did. And he goes, I think that works, but we have loads of studies that show that the actually slightly more effective way is to do one of two things.

• 8:55Sam Parr?

  And I believe those, it is, you try, so the most effective thing is that you, you read or you remember, you read something that someone has written to you. And so someone's expressing gratitude to you. Of course, that's not entirely practical, right? And so there's a few things that you can do. The first thing is that you can think of a story when someone was helpful to you. And if you, if you focus hard enough, it actually feels real. And the second thing that, that I do, me and my wife is every couple of days, we have a set time that we sit down and we say, here's what I'm thankful, I'm thankful that you did this. And then the second thing that you can do is you can actually think of a story.

• 9:34Shaan Puri?

  Me and my wife just do the opposite. We just say everything we hate about each other every two days. And, and then

• 9:38Sam Parr?

  That sounds good.

• 9:39Shaan Puri?

  Then we get, I get it off our chests. She loves, she's really good at the game. I'm getting better. It's just, it's a good thing.

• 9:45Sam Parr?

  It's called the hateful eight, just eight minutes of just like hating on each other. And the second thing that you could do is you can think of a story of, of someone being helpful to another person. And they put these guys, I believe in a MRI and they scanned their brain and they watched a movie or a story about Holocaust survivors being helped and surviving. And it like changed something in their brain and it was proven to make them more motivated and happier.

• 10:09Shaan Puri?

  Why is that the most convincing thing ever? Everything that they're like, they did an FMRI study, they scanned people while they watched this. The brain lights up like a Christmas tree. It's like the most like, that's the most, I'm just gonna make that up whenever I want to be more convincing with my thing. I'm like, yeah, people who buy my, my power writing course, we've done brain scans. It shows that actually there are, there, you know how there's a part of your brain you can't access? With this course, you actually access it. The scans, they speak for themselves.

• 10:38Sam Parr?

  I did a transcendental meditation thing and it's like a, a style of meditation. And they like, I went to the seminar and they're like, it's proven with brain scans to be different than mindfulness. And I was like, Really? I mean, like you're both you're they're kind of the same thing. You're being quiet and just like, like, I don't understand how. But anyway, that's what they said. So anyway, go ahead. Your second thing.

• 10:58Shaan Puri?

  Well, one more on that gratefulness thing. There's one other technique that I it's less convenient, but when you do it, it's awesome. It's called flooding. Have you ever heard of this?

• 11:06Sam Parr?

  No.

• 11:07Shaan Puri?

  All right. Flooding is when you basically you create a flood of memories of great moments in your life. The easiest way to do it is you open up a photo album and you flip through it, or you go through your camera roll. So if like me and my wife, we get together, we'll have our camera roll open and we'll just be showing each other photos from, you know, three years ago. Remember that trip? Remember that day? Remember this thing we did laughing about it? What happened that day? And just if you just do that for even 10 minutes, you just revisit those photos. I'm not a big photo guy. I actually hate taking photos in the moment. I find it to be incredibly like off putting. And my wife's like the opposite. She loves taking photos of everything. But I got to admit, this flooding shit is amazing. It works. I literally love her more after we do it because I remember all these amazing

• 11:49Shaan Puri?

  times I've had with her. And I don't have to try. I just like look at the photo and it's there. It's better than better than my imagination.

• 11:55Sam Parr?

  So that's what you're gonna have to do today in order to get over your heartache, your money loss.

• 11:59Shaan Puri?

  I know. I know. We'll have to figure it out.

• 12:01Sam Parr?

  One more app?

• 12:02Shaan Puri?

  One more app. So the other app is called othership. So this is this just came out. I invested in this thing because I'm a believer in it. I struggled with meditation. Meditation was very hard for me. So even though I was friends with the founders of Calm, and they gave me a free account or whatever, never really used it. Couldn't couldn't get myself to enjoy doing it. And I'm the type where if I don't enjoy it, it's just very hard for me to stick with anything I don't enjoy. I don't have enough willpower, don't want enough willpower. I don't know what it is, but I'm not great at it. So I wanted the benefits of meditation, but I didn't enjoy doing it. Breath work has become like a revelation to me. It's a form of meditation. It's very similar, but focusing on breath and a guided

• 12:46Shaan Puri?

  breathwork session. So I've tried Wim Hof, loved it. Wim Hof has a great app, too. It's a free app. And othership is like a souped up version of Wim Hof. And this guy Robbie created it. He's amazing at it. He guides a lot of meditations himself. He built his own like home oasis in his he was like really early at Ethereum. And he like, he was the first marketing guy at the Ethereum Foundation when it was like, whatever. You know, 60 cents or some shit like that.

• 13:12Sam Parr?

  So it's just like mega rich.

• 13:13Shaan Puri?

  So he got like, you know, even with barely putting any money in, he got like, kind of loaded. And then he sold some of it and was like, okay, I'm going to turn like half of my, I'm going to make this huge like kind of cabin out the garage type thing, like a mega garage. He turned it into like this, like 20 person sauna, plus cold plunge, plus like amazing meditation room, plus greenhouse and all this other shit.

• 13:35Sam Parr?

  You went to it?

• 13:37Shaan Puri?

  No, he's invited me. It's in Canada. I haven't gone yet, but um, it's amazing. He hosts a lot of people there. He invited us actually. So you're welcome to go anytime. And um, they do like guided, whatever, like microdosing LSD, if you want to do that or whatever.

• 13:50Sam Parr?

  No.

• 13:50Shaan Puri?

  You can do, you can do any, you can do anything in this place. Long story short, he got really into breath work along this journey. And now this is what he does. He's like, I'm going to, I created this app. I'm going to, I'm going to bring breath work to the masses. And I do it every morning and it's amazing. So that's my other ship is the name of the app.

• 14:07Sam Parr?

  All right. I dig that. All right. I'll, I'll tell you one. All right. So there's this subreddit that I go to and I love it. It's called uh, Fat Fire. And the idea is people who want to retire relatively young with a lot of money so they can live a fat life without working.

• 14:24Sam Parr?

  Um, and there's this guy, and so basically if you post on there a lot, the mods, the community leaders of the subreddit will verify your net worth to make your, sure you're not full of shit.

• 14:34Shaan Puri?

  By the way, did you have a goal like this? Like I want to retire by X age or I want to be like, Yeah. this wealthy by this age. What was your like, how did you phrase your goal?

• 14:42Sam Parr?

  Uh, I, I wanted to have $20 million by age 30.

• 14:46Shaan Puri?

  Gotcha. All right.

• 14:47Sam Parr?

  That's what I wanted. That was my goal. I created that goal when I was in my, uh, when I was like 19 or 20 years old.

• 14:52Shaan Puri?

  All right. I mean, I can't confirm or deny, but you know, mission accomplished is what I would say.

• 14:56Sam Parr?

  I, I sold my company. I, I achieved it at 31. I sold my company at 31.

• 15:00Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 15:01Sam Parr?

  Um, and so my, that was my goal because I asked a, a rich person who I knew, I asked him, how much money do you spend a month? And they told me $60,000 a month. And at the time I was like, I don't know, like, I can't imagine there's a world.

• 15:15Shaan Puri?

  That's absurd. Yeah.

• 15:16Sam Parr?

  Yeah, I'm like, that just sounds crazy, but whatever. Like, I asked like eight people and this person had the highest number. And I was like, okay, I'll just do that because I'll be conservative. And then if you withdraw only 3% of your 20 million, that gives you like $600,000 a year to spend there. That's that number. So I just.

• 15:32Shaan Puri?

  Fire philosophy and fire stands for financially independent retire early. So that's.

• 15:36Sam Parr?

  Yes. So you can, you can, you can spend a percentage of your port of your liquid portfolio and basically it continues to grow.

• 15:43Shaan Puri?

  Have enough money that the earnings of the, the, the sort of compounding earnings on the money being invested in something safe, like the stock market, S and P 500 type of thing can, can cover your burn rate. So there's two things that matter. What is the, what is the amount that I have invested in? And what is my life burn rate? That's why a lot of people who like fire, they go move to like, you know, bumfuck, you know, middle of nowhere and they like, oh yeah, I got rid of my car and it's great. Now I can, you know, I got rid of everything I own and me and my wife, we only eat apple cores and now we retired. It's like, but fat fire is different. Fat fire is like, no, I kind of want to ball out. I'm not trying to like skimp on my lifestyle. So, okay, what do I need to achieve and what do I need to optimize while still not giving up?

• 16:28Shaan Puri?

  Like what I find to be enjoyable in terms of lifestyle.

• 16:31Sam Parr?

  Yeah. So that's how I made up that number and I don't even, I spend $15,000 a month. So I don't spend even close to that, but.

• 16:37Shaan Puri?

  I saw this thing yesterday, which is somebody was saying they posted like my company, here's what my company's revenues were for the, I think his name is Chris Cantino. It was like, oh, companies revenues for the first seven years. And it was like, you know, 0,000, 20,000, 50,000, 150,000, 350,000, 7 million, 21 million, or something like that, right? I, I'm making it up, but it's some slow build and then suddenly things really take off. And I think they sold their company. It was a soap company, I think, for a hundred million dollars. I think I have that right. Is that correct? You know this guy?

• 17:11Sam Parr?

  No, I know who you're talking about though. He tweets great stuff. You said his name, right?

• 17:14Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. So, okay. So, so he tweeted that and I started got me thinking, I was like, it's, it's true. A lot of success. I would say the common. You know, when success comes through the front door, this is how it arrives slowly. And then suddenly.

• 17:28Sam Parr?

  When it rains, it pours for sure.

• 17:29Shaan Puri?

  When it rains, it pours. And I started thinking, okay, is that true in my life? And I started writing down, I wrote down how much money I made from the age 20 to the age 31. Cause I also got wealthy basically at 31 and, um, and it was like, you know, $0,000, then negative $30,000 with that first startup. Then I got a job and the job paid me $120,000. I thought I was doing great. That was 120, 120, 120, and then went to 160, then it like stayed there for a bit. And then I totaled it and I said, wow, at age 31, I made more than the previous 11 years before that combined. And I was like, you know, and this was my advice to young people always is if you're going to take a non-traditional path, like entrepreneurship or betting on yourself rather than a corporate career track,

• 18:15Shaan Puri?

  corporate career track, you should be increasing, you know, every two years by a certain fixed percent. And you're great. That's your lifestyle. If you take the non-traditional path, you go try to be a content creator, entrepreneur or something else. It's going to be this slowly, then suddenly path. And don't, if you're 22, don't count your earnings at 22 or 23 or 24. You're going to check the scoreboard at age 30 was my, my motto, my advice to people.

• 18:37Sam Parr?

  Or regardless of 30 or not, after like eight or nine years.

• 18:40Shaan Puri?

  You give it, give it a decade and you, what you need to is total it up in 10 years. How did I do versus counting every year? Cause you're going to lose, lose, lose, lose, lose, win big. And that's off, that's often the path. So I was curious for you, if you did that, is your path similar? Or if you charted it out for twenties to thirties, I don't know if you want to share the exact or whatever, but.

• 18:58Sam Parr?

  Yeah, I can share some, I mean, when I sold, I had saved a like seven figures. Of course, that includes my wife and I, and she also, uh, worked at Airbnb. And so Airbnb went public and she had worked there for a long time. Airbnb went public in December, I sold my company in February. So it was like, uh, December 1st and then like February 1st. It was like that, those two or three months was like massive.

• 19:20Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 19:21Sam Parr?

  And so, but prior to that.

• 19:22Shaan Puri?

  Ignore that and take her out because we don't want to put her business out there. So let's just talk about you, um, you in your early twenties, what were you making?

• 19:29Sam Parr?

  So from age 22 to probably 26 and 27, I paid myself something like two grand a month. So in the brain, so the first year of business, I probably paid myself $20,000 for the first year. And then I paid myself $40,000 for the next two years and then $70,000. And then the last year.

• 19:51Shaan Puri?

  That was 24K a year and then 40K a year. And then you said 70K roughly.

• 19:55Sam Parr?

  No, it was like 20, 40, 40, 70.

• 19:59Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 19:59Sam Parr?

  So that's four years in. And then the year we sold, I'd paid myself close to $300,000.

• 20:04Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 20:04Sam Parr?

  And I had a few other investments, like some angel investments and like some weird things that kind of paid off. But basically like for the longest time, I mean, I was living, I, the way I rigged it was in San Francisco. My rent was only $400 because I rented out this big place and I only had 25 grand in my name. And I spent all of it to rent out and furnish this place. And then I rented it out to people who basically subsidized it for me. So I was living like a poor person. And so I was able to save a little bit of money.

• 20:33Shaan Puri?

  Living like a, like a wealthy person, really. You were living in a place and it was only costing $400 a month, which is great example, by the way, because there's a lot of people that will be like, I want to move to San Francisco, but I can't afford it. All you're saying to me is I lack creativity and resourcefulness because what you did is available to everybody. Go find a place that's at market or slightly below market price. And what you did, I think, is you cut a deal with the landlord. You were like, I'll never call you for anything.

• 21:02Sam Parr?

  Yeah, I told them.

• 21:03Shaan Puri?

  Toilet breaks, I'll fix it. You, I think you lived there for like a decade or some shit and you'd never called me.

• 21:08Sam Parr?

  Like seven years. Yeah.

• 21:09Shaan Puri?

  Never spoke to the person.

• 21:10Sam Parr?

  Yeah, I never saw him. I had, I not once have I ever seen him.

• 21:13Shaan Puri?

  If you showed up at the house, you wouldn't know who the heck it is.

• 21:15Sam Parr?

  I would not. I don't even remember what he looks like. I couldn't even tell you what he looks like. I think his name was Chris.

• 21:18Shaan Puri?

  And so you cut this deal and you were like, look, I'm, you basically became the landlord.

• 21:23Sam Parr?

  Well, I showed, I showed up and I was 22 and it was a $4,000 or five, I forget how much was it? $4,500 a month for a four bedroom house. And he goes, is it just you? I go, look, it's just me right now, but I'm going to get like some friends to move in. I'll like sign a lease. A sublease with them and I, and I can have you approve it.

• 21:42Shaan Puri?

  Right.

• 21:42Sam Parr?

  But basically like I'm gonna pay you on time all the time and my, the preferred relationship you and I have is I never see you again. And are you okay with that? And he goes, yeah, he goes, don't, don't be late. And I go, okay, deal. And we were never late. I never, one time I, I'm an idiot. One time I shot a BB gun in the toilet and it broke the toilet. And so we just went to Home Depot and like bought a toilet and just replaced it. You know what I mean? So we would do stuff like that all the time.

• 22:08Shaan Puri?

  If somebody said, hey, which of your friends shot a BB gun into the toilet? I feel like, I'm like, oh, you know, Sam? Sam's great. He's a great guy.

• 22:16Sam Parr?

  I bought, we bought like an airsoft gun or something. We're like, let's see how strong this is. I mean, I wanted to shoot it in the house because it went through the couch. Anyway, anyway, it, yeah. And so at this point, yeah, so it was a slow build. It took like five, six, seven years. But then what's crazy is I'm 32 now. I started hustling at age 20, probably 20, like making like real money on my own, like livable money. And at this point, at age 32, I'll make more this year from a couple like side investments, like a real estate deal that I did. I'll make more this year than collectively all of my salaries combined while working at the hustle.

• 22:52Shaan Puri?

  Exactly. And that's, that's the exact same, same case for me. And I think that's actually really common. And I think the reason I bring that up is because A, it's interesting to me. B, I think that's really comforting to people. Cause when you're in it and you're not making any money and it looks like other people are all making hella money. It feels, it can feel very bad and you can question if you're on the right path or not. And this doesn't mean you're definitely on the right path, but it means when this path of entrepreneurship works, that's commonly what it looks like. So don't be surprised. All right. So let's get back to.

• 23:26Sam Parr?

  Which by the way, um, when I was getting going, I was always so envious of other people, like my friends. I'm like, fuck, you got a job at Google? You make a hundred and 50 grand a year and you have all these benefits? I haven't been to the doctor forever. This is awesome. I'm so jealous. So.

• 23:45Shaan Puri?

  You'd come to my office and you'd be like, dude, this is your office. I'm like, yeah. And then we'd be eating something. You'd be like, is this cheese just always available? Whose cheese is this? They just bring you this cheese?

• 23:55Sam Parr?

  I felt like I would bring.

• 23:56Shaan Puri?

  You'd be like, look, this cheese is from Whole Foods. This is expensive cheese. I'm like, bro, stop talking about the cheese right now. But it was like, I remember you were noticing. All those things in a funny way.

• 24:07Sam Parr?

  Well, I was like, you guys have an espresso machine?

• 24:10Shaan Puri?

  He's got a women's bathroom?

• 24:12Sam Parr?

  What the hell is an espresso machine? Yeah, I remember I was like freaking out that you had an espresso, espresso machine. I was like, what the hell is this? And I remember like I used to take food to go.

• 24:24Sam Parr?

  So anyway, um, yeah, it accumulated quickly. And I think it for most people, it's, I mean, it like, I think that it's basically, it's like you're poor, you're poor, you're poor. And then it's like, suddenly it's like, oh, holy crap, I'm not anymore. And you know, you, you have that moment and there's this subreddit called fat fire and they talk a lot about that. And there's this guy who has a series of threads called confessions of a hectomillionaire. And he's doing like eight parts and I linked to it in there.

• 24:52Shaan Puri?

  I see part five here. Yeah.

• 24:54Sam Parr?

  And the mods have basically, um, approved it. So basically the mods have like this guy DM'd him, DM'd his accountants or account information or something. So they like verified that he's, uh, as wealthy as he is. But basically in the beginning, uh, thread, he says, um, you know, I'm worth north of a hundred million dollars. I got wealthy originally because I was an employee at a tech company that made me $30 million. And that was like 15 years ago, and then I invested in this and then I did this and then I did this. And I'm going to answer a lot of the questions that I think a lot of people ask here. And the mods have approved that I am who I am. And I'm going to tell you all about work and purpose, my time and routine, why I keep a low profile, how relationships are complicated,

• 25:38Sam Parr?

  what I spend on a monthly basis, um, what my investment in portfolio management is. And it's incredibly fascinating. I love this stuff where you get behind the scenes of people who you normally never have access to. And so it's a great series. It's a great thread. Uh, it's awesome.

• 25:55Shaan Puri?

  Awesome. I love it. Great find. Um, okay, let's do some more. So, uh, what do I want to do? Okay. Let me do, um,

• 26:06Sam Parr?

  You want me to do a quick one while you're thinking?

• 26:08Shaan Puri?

  Do a quick one.

• 26:09Sam Parr?

  Okay, and I can keep right on, so you just let me know. So, all right. This is a little black hat here, but I'm gonna tell you. So there's this company called, I think it's made by the same company. It's called Web Archive. It's the greatest thing ever. I love Web Archive. And they have got this side project called Archive Today. So archive dot today. Have you ever seen this?

• 26:29Shaan Puri?

  Yes, I have seen this.

• 26:30Sam Parr?

  It is awesome. So if you ever want to read. So there's a bunch of products out there on how to read articles that are paywalled or behind some type of like thing that you can't see them. So there's outline.com, which is kind of cool. There's this other one that's called 12 foot. And it's called 12 foot ladder. And so it basically says, show me a 10.

• 26:50Shaan Puri?

  Go over the paywall.

• 26:51Sam Parr?

  Yeah, so listen to the tagline, show me a 10 foot paywall. I'll show you a 12 foot ladder. Brilliant, right?

• 26:58Shaan Puri?

  Genius.

• 26:59Sam Parr?

  Brilliant. And it doesn't work all the time.

• 27:01Shaan Puri?

  It doesn't work very well. That's the problem with 12 foot.

• 27:03Sam Parr?

  Yes.

• 27:03Shaan Puri?

  Neither does outline.

• 27:05Sam Parr?

  Archive Today works. I've never used it and it not work. And so if you ever want to read something and you don't feel like.

• 27:11Shaan Puri?

  Paying the paywall.

• 27:12Sam Parr?

  You just want to read like a article and not all like pay for it. Archive Today is the greatest thing I've ever seen.

• 27:19Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, and the Internet Archive is just like a treasure, right? Like it's a nonprofit thing. It's a great way to go look up, what did the original version of the Airbnb website look like? You can go to the Wayback Machine, which is something they've created. And you can type in Airbnb.com, you can go back and you can see, oh, wow. It used to be called Airbed and Breakfast. And it was like catered toward conferences because that's how they initially got their start and blah, blah, blah. So, you know, the Internet Archive, which is the nonprofit behind it, is amazing. They actually bought our friend's company. They bought Xavier's book company as well because they're gonna like scan all the books and make them available for people and things like that. So they just.

• 27:53Sam Parr?

  It's amazing. You know, they're based in Inner Sunset, right where my office was.

• 27:56Shaan Puri?

  That's right. That's right. Okay, let's do some more. Okay, so I basically made a pretty big, and I think.

• 28:05Shaan Puri?

  At the, at the risk of us sounding like, kind of like overly obsessed with fitness, which is like ironic, because at least, at least you're ripped. So I think you could get away with being obsessed with fitness. I'm not ripped yet. So it's like a little bit, it's a little bit weird when I talk too much about it. I made a big investment in this because.

• 28:22Sam Parr?

  And your, and your improvement has been massive.

• 28:24Shaan Puri?

  I basically, when I was.

• 28:26Sam Parr?

  How much did you weigh when we first started filming? Do you know?

• 28:29Shaan Puri?

  I have no idea, but I basically gained like 40 or 50 pounds over the course of like my last startup. And like never lost it. So.

• 28:36Sam Parr?

  Do you think you weighed like 250?

• 28:39Shaan Puri?

  Not 250. I think the most I ever weighed was 225 and I don't even weigh much less than that now, but.

• 28:44Sam Parr?

  It's a different weight though.

• 28:45Shaan Puri?

  It's, yeah, it's like muscle versus fat. It's like converting, right? So, um, so yeah, I basically, you know, ballooned up. Like, you know, I used to be whatever, 175 or whatever. And then all of a sudden I'm 225 and felt really bad. And, you know, it's not healthy. It doesn't look good. All this stuff. I would, when I would see a photo of myself, I'd think that's a bad photo of myself. And after three years, I'm like, hey, how come all the photos are just bad photos of me? Oh, wait, maybe I'm like, actually just like massively out of shape here. So I invested in basically three or four things now that have paid off. And I'll tell you one that I don't think paid off. So, um, so I think fitness takes a couple of things, uh, at least for me. And that's, uh, time. So I was like, okay, what are some things that I, if, if going to the gym is taking too much time,

• 29:30Shaan Puri?

  what's a way that I can hack that? So first of all, I built a home gym. So there's no going anywhere. But even me, you could put a Peloton right next to me. That doesn't mean I'm going to ride it. You could put my foot in the straps. It doesn't mean I'm going to push. Like, uh, there was many reasons for many years that I didn't exercise regularly. And so one was just bringing the gym home. Then I got a trainer because I said, well, if some dude shows up, I'm not just going to ignore him. Like I'm clearly going to like do the workout.

• 29:56Sam Parr?

  I think that's the biggest thing that made a difference. I like, I have a friend who was, um, who, who is a wealthy guy. And he was like, hey, can you tell me what to do? And I'm like, no, man, get a coach for like 250 bucks a month. And they'll, and they'll tell you what to do and you don't think, you just do what they say. And he was like, that's really expensive. I'm like, dog, you live in a $4 million house. Like. Why do you like your, your body's your house and you're not going to spend $300 or something to fix it?

• 30:20Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, that's wild. Um, but my dad does that. My dad's like, oh, you spend on this personal trainer five days a week? Like, that's crazy. Uh, I have this trainer I found in India. He just does it on Zoom and he's only $4 an hour. I was like, $4 an hour. He's like, yeah, he wanted six, but I got him down to four. He was so proud. And I was like, oh, that's, I mean, that's amazing. Okay. Is it good?

• 30:42Sam Parr?

  Such an Indian thing to do.

• 30:43Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, he's really good. He's really fit. No, no, I was like, no, he's a good for you. He's like, oh, well, I, you know, I don't really do it. Like, you know, it's, he's like, it's only four bucks. So I don't even mind if I skip it. I was like, exactly. Like, you literally don't do it. It's not working for you. You're not exercising regularly. You're not getting in better shape. So how, is it really that good? Uh, so anyways, I invested in a bunch of stuff and I took an approach which was like, I wanted to leave myself no outs. So I took a like burn the boat strategy. So first I talked about it publicly and I talked about it publicly because if I talk about it publicly, I'm going to be humiliated. If, uh, you know, I'd feel embarrassed if I talk about this and I don't do it. I don't back it up.

• 31:22Sam Parr?

  Same. I, I, I vouch for that.

• 31:24Shaan Puri?

  I made it super convenient. So I did home gym and I brought, I had a trainer come to my house. I paid the extra to, to make sure that that happened. Okay. So now I'm doing the workouts. Okay. Cool. Now, how do I do it where I actually enjoy it? Well, I invested in making the space nice. So like I went to your gym and I was like, wow, this feels great. I need to get a floor like this and I bought these rubber tiles and I did all this stuff to make the gym feel better. And I like got like the sound system. I did a bunch of things to make the environment one where I would not dread going there. I would enjoy, I would want to go there and a bunch of things like that. So those were all great investments. I felt like were great finds for me. It was like these little rubber tiles and it took time and energy to research these.

• 32:04Shaan Puri?

  And I didn't outsource this. I was like, no, I need to find the best one because I want this to feel a certain way. And I, I crafted that kind of vision for myself. Same thing. I just got a sauna, set it up yesterday, did the first sauna session in it. And I'm like, this is amazing.

• 32:18Sam Parr?

  That's sick, right?

• 32:18Shaan Puri?

  Already, already this is one of my great purchases of the year and I just have had it for one day. I got this clear light sauna. Infrared sauna. And I know that some people are like, don't do infrared and some people are like, buy this other brand instead, whatever.

• 32:31Sam Parr?

  No, Clearlight's good.

• 32:33Shaan Puri?

  Clearlight's a great brand. Uh, you know, but some people are like, you should do the dry sauna, not the infrared. From what I could tell, um, it's totally fine and it's, uh, importantly, it fit into my life, whereas the other one would have required like, a whole bunch of like waiting for like a bigger space and electrical and all these changes to be made in order to work.

• 32:53Sam Parr?

  As long as, as it can get hot enough, it's good.

• 32:55Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, exactly. So those have been for me, the best ones. Now here's the worst, the worst buys, the worst things I did. I, anything that I attached to my wrist has just failed. So, um, I bought an Apple watch, um, lost it.

• 33:10Sam Parr?

  Same.

• 33:11Shaan Puri?

  Got stolen slash lost. I don't know what happened. It was at the office and it was gone. Um, second one, uh, bought a Fitbit, lost it. Whoop band, have it. Battery's dead. Don't charge it regularly enough for it to be useful. Um, so everything I've tried, that's like a fitness tracker that is like a wearable device. It doesn't work for me because I'm too disorganized and lose shit and don't keep things charged and ready for the morning and then charge it for sleep. I had an Oura ring. I lost that too. Uh, I have, I have failed on like five wearables this year. So I gotta

• 33:45Sam Parr?

  Same.

• 33:45Shaan Puri?

  Count myself out on that.

• 33:46Sam Parr?

  Do you wear a wedding ring?

• 33:48Shaan Puri?

  Lost my wedding ring as well. So that's, you know, for bonus points.

• 33:51Sam Parr?

  Dude, that's why I wear these like, uh, $20 rubber ones.

• 33:53Shaan Puri?

  Yeah. Mine was only a $60 wedding ring anyways. So I didn't feel, I mean, the sentimental loss. Yeah. But, uh, you know, I kind of knew that, hey, I don't know if I'm a ring guy. I never wore a ring in my life.

• 34:04Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 34:04Shaan Puri?

  And sure enough, just taking it on and off ended up.

• 34:06Sam Parr?

  I lost mine the first week. Same.

• 34:08Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, I lost mine on my honeymoon.

• 34:14Shaan Puri?

  The world's best husband. All right. Okay, let me give you a different one. Have, uh, here, we're gonna, let's shift to media. Uh, great podcasts, articles, YouTube channels, whatever, that we really liked. I have a whole category called canceled comedians, which is like, there's a whole bunch of people that I love their content. They're canceled by, you know, society, but I love, they're still, they're just as funny as they were before. Everybody found out that they like, you know, like to have sex with 18 year old girls or whatever like. So there's this guy, Chris D'Elia, who got canceled. I don't know, a year ago. I found him really funny before. I find him really funny now.

• 34:54Shaan Puri?

  And he also has these little like, almost like inspirational moments in between the comedy that I love. There's this video he has called life rips. Have you heard this video?

• 35:06Sam Parr?

  No, but I love him.

• 35:07Shaan Puri?

  All he's saying is like, uh, you know, this shit was happening in my day or whatever. And he's like, he has this phrase, life rips, which is like, he's saying like, life is awesome. And he's like, just remember, he's like, life rips. And then he, he, he tells a story. It's just, he's a great storyteller, amazing storyteller. He tells a story about life rips. It's a feel good moment. It's a reminder that actually, yeah, you're right. Instead of focusing on my problems all day, let me just focus on the fact that life actually really fricking rips. And, um, and then he brings that in, he brings that as a callback into a bunch of other podcasts that he does where he'll tell a little story. He's like, you know, this is a life rips moment.

• 35:44Shaan Puri?

  And, um, just that philosophy has like, made me really happy. He does this thing also where some, he'll be recording the episode and you, you'll relate to this. He's, he's kind of like, um, I think a lot of great entrepreneurs and artists are this way where they're like, sort of like perfectionists in a way, like they want things to go well. They want well, well made stuff. And so let's say there's a technical problem where he's like, um, he's like, let's pull up that clip and then like the computer crashes. Or like somebody walks by and unplugs his microphone like midway through or whatever, like kicks out the power cord to the lamp. And instead of in that moment, getting mad, he just has, he just replaced it with this thing where he just goes,

• 36:25Shaan Puri?

  yes, the cord ripped out of the wall. He'll just be like something, he'll be like, yes, we can't find the file. Or he'll be like, yes, dude. And yes, we absolutely can't show the thing I'm talking about. Yes, nobody. Has any idea what I'm trying to say. And he just like, instead of being like, oh no, this sucks, which is like such a pattern that we can fall into. He just does this little yes thing. And I kind of stole it in my daily life. My wife hates it. She thinks it's like very annoying that I do this. Like, she doesn't understand what I'm doing. She doesn't know the reference.

• 36:55Sam Parr?

  Now she will.

• 36:56Shaan Puri?

  But it, oh, she doesn't listen to the podcast either. So she, she still probably won't, but it's such a hack, dude. It's such a hack to just, instead of just letting this little inconvenience, this little thing that went wrong, F up your mood, just like rewire the response to something that's almost, it's like sarcastic, but it actually becomes real by the time you do it. Jaco, who's this guy who goes on Joe Rogan, he does the same thing. He's just like crazy. I don't know, maybe sealed type dude, super hardcore. And his whole thing is around like, you know, pain is good. And so like, he'll be like, you know, oh, you got shin splits? Good. Like this run.

• 37:37Sam Parr?

  I love that. It gets me fired up.

• 37:39Shaan Puri?

  He'll be like, you know, oh, you know, your Uber ride didn't show up? Good. Time to have a hike. It's like, you know, he replaces of, ah, that sucks.

• 37:47Sam Parr?

  Yeah.

• 37:48Shaan Puri?

  Good. Time to, time to get tough or good. Good. Gotta go earn more money. Lost all mine. Like, you know, whatever. It's like almost comedic. How like, how extreme he is in it. But not gonna lie, this shit actually works. And so that's my, that's my content recommendation.

• 38:04Sam Parr?

  Do you have, um, I've got, all right, I've got a bunch, but do you have a car, any type of cardio machine at your house?

• 38:09Shaan Puri?

  treadmill, yeah. And a rower.

• 38:12Sam Parr?

  All right. Yeah. You do have a rower?

• 38:13Shaan Puri?

  I have like a, like, you have like a rower that makes you feel like you're on the Swiss canal or whatever. I have like a rinky dink, you know, hundred, twenty dollar Costco rower.

• 38:22Sam Parr?

  All right. I don't think you're gonna want to do this then, but I was gonna say tomorrow. So I've been doing,

• 38:27Shaan Puri?

  I'll do it on my shitty rower.

• 38:28Sam Parr?

  I've been doing these things where like, I'm like, all right, everyone, this Sunday, 60 minute row, poster results.

• 38:34Shaan Puri?

  Such a, such a fitness influencer move, motivating others.

• 38:37Sam Parr?

  Do you, well, do you have a bike? You don't have a bike? Do you have a bike?

• 38:40Shaan Puri?

  I have a bicycle, not like a, not a spin bike. I have like a

• 38:43Sam Parr?

  It might be easier if you're doing the bike. So I'm going to get up early tomorrow, like 7:30 or maybe seven and I'll get this thing done and you just post your results and be like, I just, and so I tweeted out, I go, tomorrow is a 90 minute day. We gotta, because, and people are like, isn't that boring? And I'm like, yes, that is the point. We should go through pain tomorrow before we get thankful. Right. So if you want to do it with me, do a 90 minute, any type of 90 minute steady cardio.

• 39:09Shaan Puri?

  90 minutes. Good. No one there to watch my kids.

• 39:13Sam Parr?

  Well, I don't think you could

• 39:14Shaan Puri?

  90 minute bike ride with Sam.

• 39:16Sam Parr?

  Well, that's why you gotta get up really early to do it. You gotta like go through hard, some hard I don't think you're going to be able to run for 90 minutes, but even like a brisk walk, honestly, for 90 could work, but just like, as long as your heart rate's like 140 ish. Um, all right. Let me, let me, let me, let me tell you, uh, five or four, I'm going to go fast on some bits of media. The first, this happened earlier this year. There's this amazing video of Rose Namajunas, this awesome UFC fighter, but the reason she's interesting is she's like really quiet and introspective and seems like a sweetheart, not like a fighter. And there's this amazing video of her about to fight this badass woman from China who just looks like the Terminator and she's

• 39:56Sam Parr?

  repeating to herself, I'm the best, I'm the best, I'm the best. And when I first saw that, I teared up. It's the greatest. It pumps me up. It's amazing. The second thing, primitive technology.

• 40:08Shaan Puri?

  By the way, can I just give a recommendation there? For people who don't follow the UFC, they're going to watch this, they're going to be like, whatever, uh, you know, if, even if they went and watched it, it wouldn't have the same emotional resonance. It resonated for you because you know how much of a Terminator that other girl is. You know Rose's backstory and how she struggles with anxiety. She's not a bravado type of person. So for her to say, I'm the best, it's not bravado and trash talk. It's literally self-talk. So she, you know, can perform, be her best and not let anxiety get the best of her. So you know the backstory, but I think everybody should have these go-tos, these, this stash of like inspiring moments that you were there for, that you know the context, you know, the backstory, and then you could just put them, it's like that flooding thing I was talking about earlier. You could just go back to it and you could instantly get that feeling.

• 40:53Shaan Puri?

  Um, and you should just have a well of these.

• 40:55Sam Parr?

  Which I like, I, I think that people should know that, I mean, like successful people, I don't know if people consider me successful or not, but I know that like way more successful people than I do this, but I rely on like, like I'll like read a book about someone who I admire and I'm like, how would this person react to this situation?

• 41:12Shaan Puri?

  Totally.

• 41:13Sam Parr?

  Like I, I do that all the time or I'm like, sometimes I'll even do it with like UFC fighters. I'm like, this guy just got punched in the face and he got up. Like I could do it. So I like that Rose Nama Yunus thing. The second thing is primitive technology. Have you heard of primitive technology?

• 41:27Shaan Puri?

  No, what's that?

• 41:28Sam Parr?

  Click the link. It's in there. So this guy has 10 million subscribers on YouTube. In his videos of which there are, how many are there? Maybe 50?

• 41:40Shaan Puri?

  You've talked about this guy. He's like a caveman.

• 41:42Sam Parr?

  Yes. So there's, there's maybe only 20 videos and his very first video has 31 million views. It was six years ago. And it's him not talking, not saying a word. He's in the woods and he's building a hut. And eventually it works out to build like a proper house and he does it without saying a word and he does it with only using things that he finds in the woods. No power tools, no nothing. He builds a kiln. He builds a tiled roof hut.

• 42:10Shaan Puri?

  So I'm on that video. It starts as he's just pan, the camera is just panning at this, just a spot on the ground in the middle of the forest. It's clear like there's nothing here. I'm going to build a little hut here.

• 42:23Sam Parr?

  Now click, now click, click to the end. Click to the end. He's at the end.

• 42:28Shaan Puri?

  Like a clay hut?

• 42:30Sam Parr?

  With the fireplace in there.

• 42:31Shaan Puri?

  With a fireplace and a chimney.

• 42:33Sam Parr?

  Yes. And the whole video, he doesn't say a single word. All you do is.

• 42:38Shaan Puri?

  He literally has bare hands.

• 42:40Sam Parr?

  Yes. Just building it. And then he'll like, make like a hammer out of like, uh, some, he'll make rope and then he'll make a hammer out of rope and a stick or a, and a rock and a stick.

• 42:49Shaan Puri?

  Do you know this guy's backstory? Like this guy looks just like everybody I went to Duke with. Like who is this guy and why does he do this?

• 42:55Sam Parr?

  It's in Australia, I believe, and he owns this land. And so if you go to his about page, he just, it just says, where is this? And he goes Queensland, Australia. Do you live in the wild? I don't live in the wild, but I love going out into the land to do these projects.

• 43:09Shaan Puri?

  Yeah.

• 43:10Sam Parr?

  And so he doesn't talk much. He doesn't do anything. His channel has gotten one billion views and all he's doing is building like, like there's another one.

• 43:20Shaan Puri?

  I'm watching him make fire just with the, he's just rubbing his hands together like this with a stick in between. He just made a fire while you were talking.

• 43:30Sam Parr?

  It's so relaxing. It's so awesome. I love it. I love it.

• 43:34Shaan Puri?

  Be honest. Do you actually, because I see this, I'm like, this is so cool. And I'll like click through one and then I'll be like, oh, this is just something I'm going to go tell other people about. I don't, I would never actually sit here and watch this for 30 minutes.

• 43:45Sam Parr?

  I've watched all of them. Do you have Apple? Do you have Apple TV?

• 43:50Shaan Puri?

  No, I don't.

• 43:51Sam Parr?

  I have Apple TV. So my version of TV is YouTube. So first thing when I sit down on the couch, I go straight to YouTube and I'll just watch like a 30, this 30. It's like, this is like that TV show, How Stuff's Built. Do you remember that?

• 44:02Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, but you do it in the background or you actually just watch, pay attention to him.

• 44:06Sam Parr?

  Yeah, maybe I'll like be talking to Sarah or cooking. Yeah. I'm like, oh my God, wait, watch this. Look what he's doing. Yeah. Maybe it's in the back. I mean, do you, I don't actually sit down and really watch TV unless it's a movie.

• 44:17Shaan Puri?

  Or the challenge.

• 44:18Sam Parr?

  Or the challenge.

• 44:19Shaan Puri?

  Okay. So this is amazing. Okay. Primitive technology.

• 44:21Sam Parr?

  All right. Let me keep going. Let me keep going. I'm going to roll. Okay. The, the third one, how to be great, just be good repeatedly. This is an article by Steph Smith, who works for me. There's two reasons why I love this article. The first, that is one of the best headlines I've ever read.

• 44:36Shaan Puri?

  Yes.

• 44:36Sam Parr?

  It is a wonderful headline and she writes this article about how great things rarely are you like trying to be great. It's more so just like being kind of good, but doing it consistently. And in my life, I have found that with this podcast, with a bunch of other stuff. Like, I'm like, I don't want to do this today. It's like, all right, fine. I'm going to do it anyway, even though I know today I'm not going to do a good job of it. I'm just going to get it done. And she does a really good job of articulating why that works. So I love that article. All right. I'm going to keep going.

• 45:09Sam Parr?

  The, the next one, there's this guy who's got a YouTube channel called More Plates, More Dates.

• 45:14Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, I watched this guy.

• 45:15Sam Parr?

  He is amazing. He looks at pro athletes and actors and he, and he's a, I guess he's a, I think he's a doctor. I don't know what his background is. He sounds like he knows what he's talking about. And he tells you what steroids he thinks different people are on.

• 45:29Shaan Puri?

  I watch these and every time I do, I regret so much. I'm like, what a waste of my life I just did. But I, he comes up on my feed and I'm like, oh, I know that person. Yeah. Are they on steroids? And then like 30 minutes later, I'm like, I cannot believe I've let this be in my brain for the last 30 minutes. What a waste of my brain.

• 45:48Sam Parr?

  It's interesting though, because he'll explain like the science behind it. He's like, you, he's like, a lot of people think that this athlete is doing EPO. You wouldn't do EPO because the way that your body works is this, this, this, and this. And he like, so it's kind of interesting. He goes, but you would do HGH because the way HGH works is it's proven to do. So it's like a science. It's interesting. All right.

• 46:07Shaan Puri?

  And then gossip, but yeah, there's a little bit of science.

• 46:11Sam Parr?

  It's gossip from a person who I believe is reputable, not in having firsthand knowledge of the people, but firsthand knowledge in doping. And the final thing, I found this book. It has two reviews on Amazon. Only two reviews on Amazon. It's amazing. And so apparently they, in the fore, or in the foreword, they say that's one of the most popular books in Russia. But I didn't know that. And they translated it into English. So these two journalists from the USSR in 1933 made a deal with the US government that they would let them come in and spend three months doing a road trip. And so they saved up a little bit of money. They came here and they bought a camper van and they spent three months traveling America,

• 46:54Sam Parr?

  talking to people with nothing to do, really just, all they just wanted to learn about of America. And from an outside perspective, they show what makes America special. And it's incredibly fascinating because we take a lot of things for granted. And they criticize America. And this is in the 1930s. So this is, this point is particularly, particularly true. They criticize like our race relations and things like that. This is like, this is crazy how people treat each other. But. There is a lot of good, including, they say, there's something about Americans that I've never seen ever before, which is they always think that they are going to overcome any adversity, and they always are optimistic about like some situation. And also, oddly, they're friends with their bosses. So like, they work together to achieve things, and they don't like, like they're

• 47:39Sam Parr?

  friends, like you could be friends with your boss, and you cannot hate them, or want to rob from them. And people are, and, and, and it's a wonderful book. It's written in the 30s. It's awesome. So that's my book. Oh, it's called Little Golden America.

• 47:51Shaan Puri?

  Nice. That's great. You've read, you read the whole thing?

• 47:54Sam Parr?

  I, yeah, I'm finishing it up now. And I actually posted a link on my Twitter where it's free, like a PDF.

• 48:01Shaan Puri?

  Okay, cool. I like that. Okay, I have a couple of quick ones. So Chrome extension that I'm liking a lot, it's called Every Day. And it's basically a habit tracker. So, so if you go to the website, I think it's called Every Day. Let me just find it. Everyday app, I think, is the thing.

• 48:22Shaan Puri?

  And basically, you just say what you want to do. So you're like, I want to like, for me, for example, I have morning routine, I have clean lunch, clean dinner, I have workout, I have my

• 48:33Shaan Puri?

  gratitude thing, and then I have, that's it. And so, and then basically, what it does is it just lets you create a streak. So you just say, yes, I did it this day. I intentionally skipped it, I'm allowed to skip it, or I missed. And it just keeps track of your streaks, and it creates this awesome green grid of like, as you do your habits, you get this really satisfying completion of like, your grid being green, it just shows I'm doing the things I said I wanted to do. Which for me, is, and most people, is all of the challenge. All of the challenge is not, oh, I just don't know what to do. It's, I'm not doing the shit I know I should do. And so this is just, you know, a great tool. And I think it's great because it's Chrome extension, so it's in your face. You don't have to remember to check it. It's every time you open a new tab in your browser, it's going to remind you, oh, yeah. Could I knock that out right now? You know, yeah,

• 49:18Shaan Puri?

  I could actually just do that right now. And I could get it done. So it's a, I actually have my own Chrome extension, and I've replaced it with this one. That's how good it is. So, you know, this is one of my, one of my favorites.

• 49:29Sam Parr?

  I'm downloading it now.

• 49:30Shaan Puri?

  Okay, let me give you a couple other things that I think are really cool. You showed me this, Camo. It's an app for your iPhone. Now, we spent a lot of money and time. You may not be able to tell right now because we're both not in our main studio or I'm not in my main studio. You're you're in a different spot.

• 49:46Sam Parr?

  I look good.

• 49:46Shaan Puri?

  I know you're traveling.

• 49:48Sam Parr?

  No, I'm not traveling.

• 49:49Shaan Puri?

  Oh, no, sorry. You've been traveling. So we, you know, on on different videos, we have different level of quality or whatever. But we did the, you know, we both tried on our own and then we hired people to like, hey, uh, how do we go get that fancy ass blur and like super HD video?

• 50:04Sam Parr?

  It was so hard.

• 50:05Shaan Puri?

  And they're like, oh, you gotta buy this Canon, uh, which one? 50D, 40D, 60, 70? Which which D do I buy? Okay, I'll get this one. Oh, then I need like some kind of, um, cord or like a capture card? How am I gonna do that?

• 50:19Sam Parr?

  It's it's so much.

• 50:20Shaan Puri?

  Tripod, super. Pain in the butt. Batteries. Oh, but the battery's gonna die during the episode. So you have to actually get a a double battery or a dummy battery. Pain in the ass. So and it's thousands of dollars. The camera itself was like $1,500, something like that. So it's really expensive. And you were like, oh, dude, I'm just using this iPhone app called Camo. That just, you just download the app and then, uh, it just uses the native iPhone like portrait mode to make your camera look good. And you were like, look, I'm just using my phone. I look just as good as you. I was like, yeah, I'm using the $2,000 thing and it's really hard to set up.

• 50:54Sam Parr?

  Dude, it's sick. It's only 30 bucks.

• 50:56Shaan Puri?

  And look, I'm traveling and I just bring this with me because it's my phone. And I was like, oh, my God, it's I think it's 40 or 50 bucks. I don't know. Is it 30? Maybe it's.

• 51:03Sam Parr?

  I don't remember.

• 51:04Shaan Puri?

  I actually think in the new iOS, it's just, this is just baked in, actually. I think they, I don't think you even need this anymore. Um, but for now, and if you if I don't, if I'm wrong about that iOS.

• 51:15Sam Parr?

  You mean it's coming out soon?

• 51:17Shaan Puri?

  Like in the new iOS, there's it's gonna be part of the native camera. So you don't need an app to do this, I think.

• 51:22Sam Parr?

  You mean, but one coming out soon or one out now?

• 51:25Shaan Puri?

  I don't know. Now, soon, something. Um, so something like that. So, but in the meantime, this app Camo is kind of amazing. Uh, great business by whoever's doing this and amazing timing because the whole world went remote and everybody wants to look good. So, uh, that's definitely one of the best products.

• 51:41Sam Parr?

  The analogy we made or someone made is having camo, it's like in the 70s and 80s and 90s when it mattered that you wore a suit. Having a camo is like showing up in a meeting in a nice suit.

• 51:53Shaan Puri?

  Exactly, exactly.

• 51:56Shaan Puri?

  So, so I think that's a great product. Okay, I'm gonna give you a YouTube channel. So you did more plates, more dates. The binge I've been on is, it's like, kind of embarrassing almost. It's these old school direct sales seminars. So I'm like, okay, how do I, I don't know why I like this, because I'm not even doing anything that has direct sales. Like, I'm not a product I sell that's direct sales. I'm not a salesman, never been one. But I'm just like fascinated with the art of persuasion and sales.

• 52:25Sam Parr?

  Which ones?

• 52:26Shaan Puri?

  And so, so there's a couple that are really good. Last night, like, for example, I fell asleep last night while listening to it. If you just search Tony Robbins Sales Rare, and it's like, there's two. There's one where he explains how he sold, how he got his career started. He doesn't talk about this much. He got his career started selling audio cassettes, like music, music tapes to people, you know, to people. And he would do these, like, you know, he'd go and he's like, yeah, like, the way we would do it is a woman would reach out to the potential customer, and they would say, we'd love to have, we'd love to give you a free gift, and we'd love to tell you a little bit about our company. And they'd be like, free gift? He'd say, yeah, it's a free gift. It's usually worth about a hundred dollars. And we'd love to give it to you. And, you know, if you,

• 53:10Shaan Puri?

  if you'd meet with our person. And then Tony was that person. And he would be like, he would walk through the step by step thing. And he'd be like, I would say this. And why am I saying that? I'm saying that because blah, blah, blah. Here's the thing about how people buy. He's like, and he's got his whole philosophy. And he even says in this thing, he's like, you know, would I do this now? No, because I feel like it's a little too pushy. But I'm always the type where I want to know, what's the real potent shit that works? I want to know the borderline illegal version of selling and persuasion. And then it's up to me to decide, am I gonna keep the knob on level 12? Or do I want to turn it down to nine? But I don't want to, I don't want to be at level six, because I was too afraid to ever find out. What is, what does maximum persuasion look like? You know, what is?

• 53:51Sam Parr?

  What's the channel called?

• 53:52Shaan Puri?

  Uh, I just look at the individual videos. There's not any channel. So like, I'll look up Gary Halpert, rare, or Gary Halpert 1980s, or Gary Halpert, original seminar, Tony Robbins, young, Tony Robbins, rare, Tony Robbins, original seminar, Tony Robbins, direct sales, Tony Robbins, infomercial. And I'll go either, I'll just find their material and I'll deconstruct it myself, like what's working. Like, we had Craig Clemens on, and Craig Clemens comes on the podcast, and he's a friend of ours, and he's, doesn't, he's a great person on the pod, but he doesn't go, first, he doesn't talk a lot about his company. So he's got Golden Hippo. They've sold like over, you know, I think he sold over a billion, billion dollars worth of product in his lifetime. Uh, and Golden Hippo will do, you know, over a hundred million dollars in sales. But it's like, hey, what Golden Hippo is a holding company. What are the companies

• 54:36Shaan Puri?

  underneath? And he doesn't really like go list out the 13 companies or whatever, however many there are underneath it. Um, and nobody really pushes him for that. And he's kind of like at the made it stage now, but his, he got a start early on doing sales for a guy who's like a dating coach. And it was like, I bought that when I was a kid.

• 54:52Shaan Puri?

  Dating and like, how to, how to, basically, it's all different titles that all mean how to get laid. And if it was a wife, it was like, how to get the man of your dreams, how to get a husband, how to, whatever. And he, and so I find these old interviews or old seminars he did with that guy, Eben Pagan. And I'll go watch those and I'll see, oh, interesting. He's talking about this headline he wrote, and why this headline is amazing, and why he thinks it worked. And this other one, and why it totally didn't work, and what he learned from that. And I just find these to be like, it's like puppy chow to me. It's just, I can't stop consuming it, even though I really have no direct use for it. Uh, I just love it.

• 55:27Sam Parr?

  So I'll tell you guys listening, Gary Halpert. So Gary Halpert's this guy, he died somewhat recently from just like a heart attack or something. And he was an amazing copywriter, and he might have died in prison or soon after. He was in prison for a handful of years because he sold something.

• 55:43Shaan Puri?

  Ironically, that's the guy I want to learn from.

• 55:46Sam Parr?

  Yes.

• 55:46Shaan Puri?

  And the world famous guy who took it too far. Like Wolf of Wall Street. I'll go learn from him. I'm not going to take it as far, but I want to learn from that person.

• 55:53Sam Parr?

  I think he went to prison for mail fraud or something like that. So basically people bought stuff and he just didn't fulfill it. And so he was just like, I, I sold it and I just lied. And that's obviously wrong, but you can learn a lot from him. And he's got these amazing things called, um, the letters from Boron. They're Boron letters. Sorry. And they're all free. So if you Google Gary Halpert Boron letters, you can find them for free. It's a series of letters that he wrote his son Bond from prison. And he teaches him everything he knows about life and selling.

• 56:23Shaan Puri?

  Yes.

• 56:23Sam Parr?

  And so like, you can go read it.

• 56:26Shaan Puri?

  I rewrote them all by hand because I was just so, and you're going to read it. You're going to be like, what, why would you, why is this so good? It's so good if you know why it's so good. It's almost like that. It's like, it's not.

• 56:36Sam Parr?

  It's clearly good. Like you start, you fall down like his slippery slope. You're like, why is this so interesting? Why do I want to keep reading this?

• 56:42Shaan Puri?

  Exactly. You don't know, it's not like, like it's not a, um, it's what I'll call a door, not a window. So a, a window opportunity is one where you look right in and you could see what's in it for you. And you're like, oh, okay. Like for example, let's say you wanted to get better at copywriting. The thing is not called how to get better at copywriting. And then he doesn't say, here's five copywriting techniques. No, he actually writes these as letters to his son. And then he just shows you great copywriting and then he sprinkles in lessons as he goes. But it, it doesn't come to like letter five or whatever. There's like, it takes, you, you're just interested, you're hooked and you don't know why. And that's the technique. And then you gotta like, figure out, why is this so damn good? What is it about this writing style that's so slippery that I just can't get?

• 57:25Shaan Puri?

  It's like a Tik Tok feed. I can't get out of it, you know? And so I would say it's like more like a door where you kind of got to go knock and, and take a leap of faith that there is something on the other side of this. You can't see exactly what you're going to get until the door opens.

• 57:38Sam Parr?

  Yeah, this is a winner. All right. Well, I think, I think we just like laid out a ton of interesting stuff. Ben, you there?

• 57:47Shaan Puri?

  And by the way, we should put links to as much of these as we can in the show notes. I'm also going to send out a newsletter of just like summarizing these. Just on like whatever my own, like my weekly newsletter, whatever, sean purry.com. And because I think these are actually really good, but most people listening to this, it's probably really fucking hard to be like, what am I supposed to do? Write these down and then go Google all these different things these guys are talking about?

• 58:08Sam Parr?

  Yeah, we'll do it.

• 58:09Shaan Puri?

  You need the links.

• 58:10Sam Parr?

  What do you think, Ben?

• 58:11Speaker 02

  Yeah, this is gonna be great. At the bottom of the show notes, we'll just put a long list of all the links so people can find everything. But this was awesome.

• 58:19Sam Parr?

  We're just spewing cool products that we consume.

• 58:21Shaan Puri?

  By the way, I, there's, I have half of, you told me about this two minutes or you told me before, but I was busy. I learned about this premise two minutes before the show. And I actually still have like five things that I, we didn't even get to. And I know you have like 10 things we didn't even get to. So we may want to, if people like this, we may want to do one more of these.

• 58:38Sam Parr?

  I like it.

• 58:39Speaker 02

  And the point of this is it's supposed to be a Thanksgiving special, right? So you guys are just, if you're fat with turkey, you're sitting on your couch, you, you got some time on your hands. You can just start clicking through all these links, check out all this stuff, buy some stuff, watch some things, have a good time.

• 58:52Sam Parr?

  I think it's mostly free stuff, by the way, that we mentioned.

• 58:55Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, a lot of it is free or very cheap. Ben, I love that, that sales pitch out there. That was great. Who, who, who's, have you been watching these videos too? Are we, are we sharing YouTube accounts? What's going on?

• 59:08Speaker 02

  Yeah, I just had to step up my game after you're talking about all this copyrighting and sales stuff.

• 59:12Shaan Puri?

  That's the Mormon in you. You guys are natural salespeople. You guys are the world's greatest salespeople.

• 59:18Sam Parr?

  Will Mormon jokes ever get old?

• 59:21Speaker 02

  No, probably not. Some stereotypes, we have so few stereotypes we're allowed to access these days that when there is one that feels like it's okay, you just gotta hit it over and over again.

• 59:31Sam Parr?

  Good. I'm down. Well, thank you. All right. I'm out. I gotta go be with my family.

• 59:34Shaan Puri?

  See ya.

• 59:35Sam Parr?

  Happy Thanksgiving.

• 59:36Shaan Puri?

  Yeah, you too.