The Pivot on comedy roasts, Tom Brady, Bill Belichick & Robert Kraft, rap beefs with Drake and Kendrick, mental health check in & big news coming

From massive rap beefs to the Roast of Tom Brady and a full media debate between football and basketball players, it’s been a week full of different controversies in pop culture. Ryan, Channing and Fred are back themselves to check in on one another and give their takes on some of the biggest stories. First, it's caps off to congratulate Freddy T, who full-filled a promise to his late grandmother of going back to college after 26 years to get his degree, a special moment for Fred and his family as well as our Pivot Family, sending an invaluable message to so many. The comedy and football scenes had a crossover with Netflix releasing the much-anticipated Roast of Tom Brady, and the guys give their reactions to the show. NFL locker rooms can have roast sessions of their own, but Ryan talks about why he could never be associated with an event like that. Channing is in the comedy scene himself, though, and he discusses how the comedians changed the way the roast was approached. In another major American sport, Austin Rivers made headlines with comments that said there are many more basketball players who could play football than vice versa. The guys agree that both take athleticism and skill, but Ryan and Fred emphasize that the difference between the sports comes from the culture of toughness, and that NBA guys could not take hits like them. In wrapping up with a talk about the Drake and Kendrick rap beef, the trio talk about how Kendrick won the battle itself before mentioning the bigger culture surrounding hip-hop. Many people attach themselves to certain figures in the spotlight, and The Pivot team is excited for fans to see what’s in store for them very soon... New episodes drop on Tuesdays at 12 p.m. ET and Fridays at 3:30 p.m ET on YouTube, with audio available on all streaming platforms. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• 1:05Ryan Clark?

  Congratulations are in order. Oh, that was for me? Congratulations, fam. Now, an official alum of the University of Florida. Welcome to the Friday Three Man Show. We haven't done this in a while, and it's a reason that we're doing it. We like to celebrate the victories, whether small or large. And this is a large victory, not only for Freddie T, now being a graduate of the University of Florida, but for our entire crew, for our entire group, for our entire business, for our entire show.

• 2:01Ryan Clark?

  Welcome. This is Channing Crowder. This is the now newly graduated Fred Taylor. And I'm Ryan Clark. Bro, first off, I do want to say congratulations, all jokes aside. And also want to say, like, the inspiration you are and the courage it takes to have accomplished what you've accomplished in life and make a promise to someone who I know was near and dear to you and see it through. Just tell me a little bit of why you decided to go back and get your degree.

• 2:33Fred Taylor?

  I kind of played around with it in my head over the years. And it just never sat right with me that it wasn't complete. You know, doing applications, you know, they get to the education part, what level of education you complete. It was, I could never put, you know, college graduate. But in 94, when I left to go to school, I'd made a promise to my grandmother. You know, I set out to go and be the first person in my family to graduate. That didn't happen. Then my baby sister graduated before me. Then my daughter graduated before me. I was like, what the [bleep]? So I kind of played around with it. So after I retired in 2011 officially, around 2012, I started, I took two classes. Then in 14, I took a class.

• 3:18Fred Taylor?

  19, I took a class. I was like, alright, I don't really need to go through with it. I'm good. Then after realizing I was losing my grandmother, it came back around. And when she was on the deathbed, I was like, you know what? I gotta knock this out, like. So I leaned into her, I made her a promise and said I would do it. My son Austin, somewhere in the fourth quarter, he decided he wanted to go to University of Florida. He was accepted, which was amazing. I was like, way to go. So I figured I can fulfill a promise on one end, by finishing what I started. And then for him, just be an example, you know, just be an inspiration for him. For any other athletes that might consider it.

• 4:01Fred Taylor?

  My son Kelvin, he just re-enrolled back to school. So I mean, the amount of DMs I got from players saying, "Oh, I was thinking about going, but now you just motivated me to get back." So I think it's a huge accomplishment on my behalf to go back 26 years later, when I didn't necessarily have to. Indirectly, it'll touch a lot of people. I think it's invaluable, the message that it sends. So it's, I'm glad I did it for that reason alone, more than anything else. Because I don't know if I'll ever do anything in line with the study of sociology. Right? I can tease Channing and say, "I'm a social scientist now." But I will never use it in the field of sociology.

• 4:46Fred Taylor?

  But what I am considering is potentially doing an 18-month MBA program at the University of Florida. Maybe in business administration, entrepreneurship, or marketing. So I'm kind of playing around that idea. So I'll be able to leverage it up. So, oh man, that's done. It feels good that it's done. You guys didn't have a clue.

• 5:10Channing Crowder?

  Yeah. We didn't, no. You'd be in the car looking over your, uh, looking over your scores from your test the night before when we ride places. And I'd be laughing my ass off.

• 5:19Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I know.

• 5:21Channing Crowder?

  "Man, I got an 80. I thought I knew that one." It had to feel funny, though, because you sitting there at 62 years old. And you, but even, I know you ain't going to, you did most virtual, right?

• 5:33Fred Taylor?

  Yeah, I did all online. I probably would have gotten it done sooner if those options were available. But as I started down the path, they didn't offer those two big classes that I just took here at the N. Methods of Social Research and Theory.

• 5:51Fred Taylor?

  Uh, sociological thought. So that wasn't offered online. So when they offered, I was like, I gotta jump down and do it. But yeah, it was just that, studying on these long ass flights to go do Pivot, watching the lectures, not attempting to exam their quizzes because of the wifi can be shaky. But as soon as we land, before we link up or do the shows, I'll just, you know, do a quiz, knock the quiz out or something, 30 minutes they give you, and just get back to it. See you, I'm like, Chan, damn, I got a 90, I got an 80.

• 6:18Channing Crowder?

  90, that's a man, I thought I got it right. Did, uh, why your clothes ain't fit during graduation?

• 6:24Fred Taylor?

  What?

• 6:24Channing Crowder?

  Why, why everything was tight and your little hat was perched on your face?

• 6:31Channing Crowder?

  You know me, I look at different types of stuff when things happen. I, I, bruh, I'm proud of you. But yeah, I just think your little hat, your eyebrows mush.

• 6:39Fred Taylor?

  I got the gown for a 6'2" person, right? And my cap, I actually had to send, I had to go back and request the XL.

• 6:48Channing Crowder?

  Should've requested another one.

• 6:51Fred Taylor?

  That's how it fits, man. What, what do you want me to wear like a fitted?

• 6:54Channing Crowder?

  I ain't, bruh, I ain't, I ain't, I ain't never gonna know nothing about a cap.

• 6:58Fred Taylor?

  I don't really have to wear it again, it was just two hours, so.

• 7:01Ryan Clark?

  You know, um, last year this time, and you brought up your grandmother, last year this time, we did the show after the Emmys, and that was where it kinda started for us, um, in Mental Health Awareness Month, and we just asked, you know what I'm saying, are you all right, are you okay? Is there anything that I could do for you? And that centered that day around your grandmother, and around the feelings you had in her losing a little bit of herself, and you in turn realizing you may lose her. Chan, during that show, you brought up checking on the funny friend, which is, you know, one of those things that I think at the time, sort of went over people's heads, and I think a few months ago,

• 7:44Ryan Clark?

  there was another site on social media that posted it, and kinda championed that thought of...

• 7:52Ryan Clark?

  Just because someone's making you laugh, just because someone's a light, or they are charismatic or humorous, it doesn't mean that everything's okay in their life. You know, we talked to Solomon Thomas last year. We've had Ryan Monday on the show this month. And I think honestly, that message has always been extremely important to us. Freddie T, you put it in the group chat, that you thought it was time that we had that sort of check on our show for ourselves and also for other people. So I think, you know, I want to start with you, Freddie T, because I believe you have a grasp, or you at least, you know, think about this in a different way than we do sometimes. And you articulate that well. Just man, like, how are you?

• 8:37Fred Taylor?

  I am so good, bro. Like, I'm really enthused about what's next to come. I, I think there are a lot of different things, kind of starting to head in the right direction. Now, I, I just look back on a lot of stuff and realize, damn, I, I've come a long way. You know, even in this pivot into this, this, this second career, this stuff that we're doing, you know, we, we really work our asses off, man, and things can become overwhelming at times and tiring. But just to be able to keep pushing through,

• 9:12Fred Taylor?

  I, I visit with my therapist, whether it's online, you know, via a, a video, or in person. So I just make sure I'm checking all the boxes, man, just taking care of myself, trying to prioritize. I prioritize my health. Chan always teasing about my age. So when we get to a certain age, we gotta do necessary things to make sure we're still here, still here for the people that we love and the people that love us. So knowing that, I try and, you know, stay on top of everything from a medical standpoint. But just in life in general, man, just excitement, coming off of that, still that high, having made that accomplishment with attaining, obtaining my degree and finishing college.

• 9:55Fred Taylor?

  It feels good, man, just to, you know, we haven't shot in, in, in a little bit. Just to get back and reconnect with y'all, that, that's also a good feeling and knowing what's next for us. So I'm, I'm solid.

• 10:09Ryan Clark?

  You good, brother? Oh, I'm always good. You good though, because you take on a lot. Yeah, I think, like, I'm in a different, a different season in life than I was last year. Last year was like the "I told you bitch" season. Like, if I'm being honest, you know, I don't really talk like that all the time, but that was like what I felt. You know, it was kind of like making my first Pro Bowl in football and then having some of the accomplishments we had on this show and also individually, you know. And now I'm sort of just, like, I'm just grateful, you know, and now I'm looking for, I'm looking for ways to sort of be a part of some sort of calmness while you're attempting to be successful.

• 10:54Ryan Clark?

  This was an interesting week for me. A friend of mine on Sunday, one of my closest friends in Baton Rouge, he's a little older. He's in his 60s, so his parents are in their 80s. And we're just outside, it's Cinco de Mayo, his mom is dancing, and she falls. And then when she gets up, like, she's disoriented, you know, so everybody's concerned about her. She's been married to a husband for 61 years. He's concerned about her, my homeboy, you know, who's just a strong man and like, he's there for her. And then when the ambulance come, he just goes off to the side and just cries. But like, the genuine concern for her from everybody. I was like, man, if God allows me to make it to that age, I want people to be that concerned for me.

• 11:36Ryan Clark?

  I want people to love me that much because of who I was to them. Mortz, Chris Mortensen's memorial was this week in Arkansas. And everybody that got up, one, they universally said he was like this prankster and jokester, but they all talked about what he had done for them, like, the way he had sewn into their lives when they never expected it. And like, all of these things run into a sermon. That I heard at church Sunday about kindness. And the pastor was saying that kindness is a choice. That kindness doesn't gossip. That kindness is a strength. And it got me to thinking that like, that is a choice. And it's a choice we get to make.

• 12:19Ryan Clark?

  And sometimes we get so busy and so wrapped up in all the things that we're doing in our life. And we don't think about extending that because of what we're dealing with, because of what we're going through. And so like, that's been my focus. It's been like, have a kindness toward people who said you couldn't do it. Have a kindness toward people who doubted you. Have a kindness towards people that can't do anything for you. Have a kindness that is honest. In the sense that like, holding yourself accountable, being aware of where you fall short, but also holding people around you accountable. Like, if I truly love you, if I truly love you,

• 13:04Ryan Clark?

  I can't allow you to go down a path that can lead to destruction. And so like, that's just like truly what I've been focused on. And you know, something that sticks out to me is like, as men for sure, we always talk about peace. And peace has become like this sort of word that we go to and everything. Oh, I just want peace. I just want peace. But truly, we cannot be masters of peace if we're agents of chaos. Correct. We cause so much chaos in our own lives, whether it's driven by ego, whether it's driven by greed, whether it's driven by any of those things

• 13:49Ryan Clark?

  that God didn't put in us to truly fulfill us or to truly make us content that are just human. Because we're imperfect. And so I think for me, it's just really been a time where I've gotten a chance to like, like I'm done fighting. You know what I'm saying? Like, the last altercation I got into in February in Vegas at the Super Bowl, where I felt like I had to check disrespect. It was the first time I realized that everybody that disrespects you doesn't actually have a personal agenda against you.

• 14:27Ryan Clark?

  To have a personal agenda for themselves. And everybody that disrespects you isn't worth being checked.

• 14:36Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 14:36Ryan Clark?

  When you look into a man's eyes and you give him an opportunity to be all the things towards you in front of you that he is when he isn't, and that man doesn't take that opportunity, it makes you realize everybody's not built like you.

• 14:54Fred Taylor?

  Correct.

• 14:55Ryan Clark?

  And that instead of trying to prove a point by out disrespecting him or by checking him, I should have just been kind to him because he needed it. And that's something that's hard for me because I didn't grow up that way. I didn't get to where I am that way. But like that's my, my focus, man, on just being good to people. Because I feel like if you put that good out there, that good comes back.

• 15:16Fred Taylor?

  Just to piggyback on that, RC, you know, I, we, we tease about me reading the comments, comments creeping or whatever. I look for feedback, like on the show, positive, negative, whatever. And I'm sure we'll probably talk about this, the Austin Rivers comment about the, the basketball guys being able to play football and vice versa. In the comments, I've learned to, to be good to myself or kind to myself by starting with character. My responses determine the type of character I am. Like what is it about Freddie T and your response? So sometimes I, I've learned to take the high road by telling myself that like it's

• 15:58Fred Taylor?

  your character that's on the line, depending on how you respond to whatever that comment might be. If it's a negative comment, I've learned to bypass those by just telling myself it's, it's your character. Like be kind to yourself, Fred T, like you respond a certain type of way that'll put, that'll put you at peace. So I just learned to practice these different little things, these little mind tricks, but it, it speaks a lot to who you are as a person and I start with that.

• 16:26Channing Crowder?

  It's funny you said, there was a Kendrick something not like us?

• 16:28Ryan Clark?

  Mm-hmm.

• 16:29Channing Crowder?

  And I know, I'm not even talking about the beef of that. I know we get into that, whatever, but we've used that on this show before when somebody comes on, he's like us.

• 16:39Ryan Clark?

  Troy, I talked to Troy for an hour and a half and he was asking me about you guys and I brought you up and I was starting explaining what I thought about you and he goes, oh, he's like us.

• 16:52Channing Crowder?

  That's, that's the thing that I was just thinking about when you, you were speaking and, and you were speaking Fred. Is that like, there's people in this world that didn't grow up like you. There's people in this world that didn't, that didn't have the fact that if you, everybody asked me about my arrest in college. And my answer really is, I didn't know that if another dude called you a bitch, y'all didn't have to fight. Right. That's the answer, period, to why I got locked up so many times in games. But I'm like, if you called me a bitch from Atlanta, we gotta lock up. And we don't need no police around, we don't need that. You knock me out, I knock you out, we gonna get up and we gonna go our separate ways.

• 17:30Channing Crowder?

  And just being like, raised like that, but that phrase not like us, it's a mindset of where you come from. It's a, it's, it's your mental reaction to what you've seen and how you've grown up and what, what happened in your life. You know what I'm saying, conditioning? And that's the thing too, that, that, that I've seen a lot now and just think about when I first heard the song. It wasn't, I didn't even listen to the song, I thought about the title. And I was like, we say that all the time when people come on this show. He's like, he comes in and we'll, we'll sit down with somebody for an hour and a half and he leaves, be like, oh, he's just like us. Yeah, yeah, he's like that, he's made like that. And there's some people that aren't made like that. So that was the, the wildest thing that, that came from that song, but that you were speaking.

• 18:14Channing Crowder?

  And another thing that you said was the, why do you care about somebody that you don't know? It's called philanthropy. Why am I giving time and money to somebody that I don't know? Boys and girls club, junior achievement, everything that you do, everything. I know we do a bunch of stuff that we're gonna bring up. I don't know these kids. I just know that these kids need somebody to help them. They need somebody to care about them and worry about them. Cause if they didn't, they wouldn't be in this program. I don't know why their education is where it is. I don't know why they're struggling to eat on a Wednesday night. I don't care. I just wanna help them eat on Wednesday night. I wanna help them achieve something bigger than what they're achieving. That's what I wanna do. Why do you care? Is it God? Is it conditioning?

• 18:59Channing Crowder?

  Is it whatever it is? But I tell everybody that gives back to, in, in these charity events I do, I speak about it all the time. Whatever makes you care, don't let that shit go. Don't let it go. Whatever, if it's God, if it's your mama, your daddy, your grandma, don't let that damn thing go. But to get to the mental health thing, the funny guy. Check on him. And I'm, I'm, I'm not, I'm spiritual, I'm not religious. We gotta get Ricky Smiley on the show. I'm, I called Ricky Smiley out. I was listening to the radio the other day. And he said, when I go through tough times, I leave the house and I try to make as many people smile as I can. And I thought about, that's what I kinda do. He said, that's my therapy.

• 19:45Channing Crowder?

  You talked about your therapist. My therapy is that, I'm, whatever's going on in here, if you, if I can make you laugh, I can make you laugh, I can make all these people around me laugh, that builds me up. So that was the thing I heard and I was like, man, I don't know if it's funny, we talking about doing a mental health check. This was three days ago. And Ricky Smiley said that on the morning show. He said, my therapy is making people laugh. So I think my therapy is making people laugh. And no matter what I'm going through, to get there and to see somebody that encouraged or just to change somebody else's emotion, why can't I change my own emotion?

• 20:22Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 20:23Channing Crowder?

  You know what I'm saying? If I can make you in a bad day, I can switch you. Motherfucker, switch you. And to put it back on myself, and Ricky Smiley made me see that. The one thing I think I'm starting to get to now, we're, we're taking on a lot of stuff. I'm taking on a lot of stuff with the comedy, with the seasoning, with the, and I've taken on a lot of stuff, plus the pivot, plus the radio, plus all the shit that I do. I'm really starting to, and it's something that coaches said in the past, compartmentalize. And I don't know if it's good or bad. But I can leave this

• 21:00Channing Crowder?

  and I could literally walk out the door, get in my truck and be in a whole different place. Then I have to go to this meeting, this meeting start at 11, 10:55. I'm sitting around arguing with some business partner. I walk in that meeting and I can be myself again. And I don't know, y'all let me, I don't know if it's good or bad to be able to do it, but I'm really getting to a point where I can boom, boom, boom, and just put everything in its own little file cabinet and not even worry about that when, and I think it's helping. It's helping me out a lot to be able to separate different parts of life and just concentrate on that right there.

• 21:32Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I think, one, it's the only way to be successful in.

• 21:38Ryan Clark?

  What our lives are because you're gonna have ups and downs. I think the danger of compartmentalizing, which I believe as men we've been taught to do. I know for sure as black men, we've been taught to do because, you know, Coach Tomlin has a famous saying like, "Nobody cares about your problems and a lot of people happy, you got them." But in that, as we compartmentalize, we also can't forget to work through it. We also can't forget to process it. We also can't forget to feel it. And like, that's weird for me because I'm actually not that person that does any of those things most of the times. But I'm, I'm trying to, even though I'm about to be 45, I'm trying to, to learn, you know? But you brought a laughing.

• 22:23Ryan Clark?

  Tom Brady, just let people dog game for three hours? Bro, three hours? Also too, no, I'm never doing a roast. You said you've been a part of roast, so you could go further on this than, than me. The people on the stage got it worse than Tom Brady. Yes. I mean, though, when you watching, when y'all watch that joint, like, do y'all sit there and go, "Why would Tom Brady do this?" Hundred percent, a hundred percent.

• 22:51Fred Taylor?

  I didn't.

• 22:52Ryan Clark?

  No, bro, you played with him, hold on, let me go.

• 22:55Fred Taylor?

  Pause.

• 22:55Ryan Clark?

  A hundred percent.

• 22:57Fred Taylor?

  Go ahead.

• 22:58Ryan Clark?

  First off, you don't have to, you don't have to pause anything about Tom Brady after Julian Edelman got up there. Well, yeah, but that's, that's, that's not like our- White people got a whole different way of joking.

• 23:10Fred Taylor?

  I was gonna go there, that's not our culture where we, we ain't making dick jokes. Like, it's against our religion to make dick jokes. Like, we not doing that.

• 23:20Channing Crowder?

  I enjoy him too, I got some dick jokes. I have white, like, I can work both sides of the room, you know what I'm saying?

• 23:26Ryan Clark?

  But I was surprised because-

• 23:30Channing Crowder?

  You know what a roast is. This isn't a comedy show. This is a roast. I was more surprised that they got the comedians involved. I didn't know the lineup. I didn't really look into it before to see the lineup. You get up there and have some teammates do it. You know what I'm saying? Gronk, Julian, Randy, Bill. Like, that's what I thought it was gonna be when I heard the Tom roast. When I saw them comedians sitting up there, they don't know Tom like that, bro.

• 23:53Ryan Clark?

  But do you think that was so that Netflix could make sure it was actually funny, though? Because it's difficult as a player. Every player ain't you. You know what I'm saying? Every coach isn't you that has an actual comedic talent, though.

• 24:05Channing Crowder?

  But I'm with you. And I heard, I don't know the numbers. I don't want to say no false numbers about, but they, they said it killed.

• 24:12Ryan Clark?

  Of course.

• 24:13Channing Crowder?

  They said that Brady roast killed, which it would have, and it crossed over. People didn't know sports that could watch that and laugh at those jokes and do it. But when I saw those comedians up there, like you're saying, and me knowing comedians and me sitting around dudes like Duval and Desi and Chris Spencer destroyed. We were supposed to be doing it together.

• 24:32Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 24:33Channing Crowder?

  We were doing a Jason Taylor roast. So when they, they asked me to do it, people know my personality. I was like, y'all, JT approved of me? And JT didn't even know what, afterward, he was like, damn, see? Why you gonna do that? I said, boy, it's a roast. The roast means say the most ignorant shit you can say about this person to make everyone else in the room laugh. So when I saw them comedians sitting on that stage, when Kevin came out the box, I automatically said, I, Tom probably shouldn't have done this.

• 25:03Channing Crowder?

  Because think about, those comedians, they're, they, they feed their children off funny.

• 25:08Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 25:08Channing Crowder?

  Gronk, Edelman, them boys, them boys still gonna be cool with Tom. They probably went out to eat with Tom afterwards. Them comedians hit it. They, they went and lived their life. That was my biggest surprise when they brought professionals up there. But to your point, great for business. To Tom's emotions and we've seen the backlash of it, that's when I got scared for him.

• 25:26Fred Taylor?

  Now, it just showed, obviously, it showed a, a, a side of Tom that a lot of people aren't familiar with. But the reason I said I was okay with it is because it reminded me of camaraderie. Think about the NFL locker room. That's what we do. It's a roast session every day in the locker room, every single day. It's a different person being roasted. Sometimes it's the same person. No, no matter who it is. So for me, I shout out to Netflix. I think it was beautifully written. Like the, the structure, because if you go back and you look at the jokes and how they rolled off, the order that it all went in, somebody was able to go back to this person's joke

• 26:07Fred Taylor?

  and pull from it to, you know, highlight their joke and reemphasize their joke. So it was a bit scripted. I think the comedians were brilliant. Nikki was, in my opinion, she was the best. Like she was tough. She was hard. I just think overall, man, Tom was a great sport. He was mean as hell on the back end when he got up there. And overall, man, I, I, I thought it was a masterpiece. Netflix did well.

• 26:33Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I thought it was amazing. And the fact that it's live, I think, makes it even more difficult. First off, shout out to Kev, right? Kevin Hart hosting.

• 26:42Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 26:42Ryan Clark?

  And I saw he had the bottle of tequila there. So by the end, you could tell he was just living life. You know what I'm saying? Listening. I thought Tony Hinchcliffe was amazing.

• 26:51Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 26:51Ryan Clark?

  Right? The first he pulls, he pulls the thing out the hat, you know what I mean? Dana White goes, and then he just walks down the stage. You, you, you. He was like, you could get a joke. You could get a joke. He was the Oprah of roasting. By the time, by the time he was finished. And then when he hit Sam Jay with the, oh, hell no, it was on the... I thought that joke was classic. Like to me, he was the best one. Obviously, everybody loved Nikki.

• 27:16Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 27:17Ryan Clark?

  You know, now like looking more into her because she's become famous. Like I did, at least more famous to me and more of a celebrity to me since then. Like I thought that was dope. But I do think the coolest part is, right? Greatness brings people together.

• 27:33Ryan Clark?

  You know, one, Netflix isn't going to promote a roast of someone who isn't like infinitely famous.

• 27:41Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 27:42Ryan Clark?

  Because the other part of it is too, you have to have enough stuff about you, enough accolades, enough accomplishments, enough success to where those jokes can't actually offend you. They can't hurt you in certain ways. And Tom got the trump card. In the end, I'm the greatest that's ever played.

• 28:00Channing Crowder?

  Right.

• 28:01Ryan Clark?

  In the end, I got seven of these things. I got five Super Bowl MVPs. I got three. So when he gets up at the end, he can say what the hell he want about anybody on the stage, anybody that's there because they're all there for you.

• 28:11Channing Crowder?

  And his fame crosses over.

• 28:12Ryan Clark?

  Right.

• 28:13Channing Crowder?

  It's not just football fans. That's Tom Dan Brady.

• 28:15Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, and so like, I thought that was cool. My favorite two parts of it though, were Tom Gronk and Bill Belichick taking a shot. And then, in the end, Robert Kraft taking a shot with Bill Belichick, but being honest to the world. And he had probably had a few, which is the best time to talk to somebody. He said though, this is the greatest coach that's ever lived. You know, and he said that his life, and one of the greatest honors in his life, was having those two people be a part of that organization for two decades. And it was like, with all the jokes and with all of those things, like, that's truly the heart of football. That like greatness brings us all together, working to achieve a goal.

• 29:00Ryan Clark?

  And so like, in that night, because of what Tom decided to do, it's not like they gotta go out and be best friends from here on out, but it was like, man, because he was comfortable enough, I'm sure they paid him a ton, because he was comfortable enough with allowing people to talk about him, he got certain people in a room who hadn't been in a room all together. And you know, Julian Edelman sort of talked about like, the tension. That was in the room and the way that like everything felt. But by the end of the night, man, that was all gone because like when you accomplish what they've accomplished, it's all love. And so, man, I thought the whole thing was dope. I think it's a, it's a great idea. I will never, ever be a part of one. I'm not gonna be on the stage. I don't wanna host it.

• 29:45Channing Crowder?

  I had George lined up.

• 29:46Ryan Clark?

  No, no, you ain't no line mine up. See, we went to your, I already saw we went to your show. You just told people I had sickle cell and laughed about it. I couldn't, I couldn't imagine.

• 29:56Channing Crowder?

  Sickle cell is a great joke.

• 29:58Ryan Clark?

  It's a terrible joke. I couldn't imagine what you'd do to me at a roast when I'm actually telling you I'm here for you to talk about me. I was there to support you and I became a part of your bit.

• 30:09Channing Crowder?

  Yes.

• 30:09Fred Taylor?

  So, RC, the question is why? Why wouldn't you? And also, all right, give you a situation, a charitable cause. You wouldn't give of yourself to allow people to just say whatever they wanna, make up stuff. Cause rappers are doing it these days. They just fabricating any fucking.

• 30:29Ryan Clark?

  My kindness ain't, my kindness journey is a week long.

• 30:35Ryan Clark?

  I ain't even, it's my kindness journey longer, no.

• 30:37Channing Crowder?

  Jumping in there, yeah, he just got on this.

• 30:40Fred Taylor?

  I mean, y'all roast me all the time. Like, I wouldn't mind it. Like, I don't, I wouldn't care. I think it would be fun to hear, to hear what you gotta say about me, whether it's true, made up, like, it does not matter.

• 30:52Ryan Clark?

  I think that's the, I think that's the big part of it, right? It's like the, the fact that at least the people, the people who are close to you, you know their heart. You've experienced things and so that is funny. And then when you think about the teammates, though, they didn't really go hard on him.

• 31:07Fred Taylor?

  No.

• 31:07Ryan Clark?

  Right, cause it ain't really much, like Julian Edelman basically gave him fellatio for 10 minutes. You know what I'm saying? So like that ain't even, you know, like he didn't do it. And all, and all Randy ass was like, hell, I want cheat too. Like Randy felt like they couldn't trust a black man from West Virginia in Boston. You know what I'm saying?

• 31:26Channing Crowder?

  But it was, it was the residual damage or the buckshots or the other side of it. You come out and roast me, just like Brady. My wife's gonna be involved.

• 31:38Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 31:38Channing Crowder?

  My ex is gonna be involved. The Aaron Hernandez stuff. You know what I'm saying? Now, he's not here with us, but he has the daughter. Like, that would be the fear, honestly, of roasting. I don't, y'all know, I don't care what anyone says about me. I don't give a damn. But now you're bringing in, they'll say something about Randy and drugs.

• 31:59Ryan Clark?

  Yeah.

• 31:59Channing Crowder?

  You know, they bring in, maybe my parents divorced. Now they bringing in, you know, and they might go find stuff and look up. You're bringing other people in there. So those, huh, huh, so that shrapnel, that shrapnel that's shooting off of this bomb.

• 32:11Ryan Clark?

  I have a question.

• 32:12Channing Crowder?

  Those are the people that are gonna be upset.

• 32:13Ryan Clark?

  But for you, you like B. Rabbit from Eight Mile. Your life is a joke for you, right? Like, you use all those things. So we'd actually get on stage and it'd be like, tell these people something they don't know about me. Right? But for, for like Tom, you know, like he has kids. And he has kids with, you know, with Bridget. You know, that's Jag. And then now you have your two children with Gisele, who are old enough to sort of understand. And it's like, they're talking about karate teacher and jiu-jitsu. Like, that's, that's, that's a difficult thing, you know? And I also think like the Hernandez stuff, you know?

• 32:51Channing Crowder?

  Sensitive.

• 32:51Ryan Clark?

  And this is, this is me. You know, I'm not speaking for everybody. It's like, a lot of that's not a joke to me. And I, and I don't think the comedian part of it bothered me. You know what I'm saying? Because they comedians. You know what I'm saying? Like, I get it. Like, y'all don't know Aaron Hernandez. Y'all don't know Tom Brady, really. You guys are writing jokes, right?

• 33:10Channing Crowder?

  They're finding punchlines.

• 33:11Ryan Clark?

  Right, but for, like, for Julie and Edelman, the, the joke about Gronk's penis that ends in what he said about Aaron Hernandez. Like, I have an issue with that. Because like, you shared a locker room, whether y'all had beef, whether y'all were never friends. And I'm not saying that he's a good human, so you owe him something, because you don't. But you owe his family. There are people who are mourning and hurting over that. And so like, to me, those things, from the player's side, was a little distasteful. But I totally understand it from comedians, because comedians do what comedians do.

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• 34:48Channing Crowder?

  It's the shrapnel. That would be, that would, if anybody I really knew close, I don't know Tom like that, but anybody I knew close and they're like, hey, and I see it coming, I would warn them about the shrapnel that people around them are gonna catch.

• 35:01Ryan Clark?

  Well, he got up and told old boy early, like, don't say the S-H-I-T no more. When he said something about Robert Kraft.

• 35:06Channing Crowder?

  About Kraft stuff.

• 35:07Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you see what I'm saying?

• 35:08Channing Crowder?

  And that's the thing, so Kraft and, you know, they boys, Belichick, they want so much together. It's those folks that are gonna catch it. And that would be my fear about it, is the people around them catching it. But the thing with the locker room, I would push back because like, it was a teammate of mine who, we found out he got, he was getting divorced. And we walk in the locker room and we killing him. Hey, bro, we putting, you putting magazines, the little, the magazines locker, the naked ladies and all that stuff. Hey, man, hey, wanna go out tonight? You ain't got nothing to do, your wife won't like you no more. You can't say that in public, but between us, it's funny.

• 35:47Ryan Clark?

  That's why the locker room's different. That's why they call it locker room talk.

• 35:49Channing Crowder?

  And that's, and they're trying, a roast and crossing over locker room talk? That's dangerous.

• 35:55Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, bro.

• 35:56Channing Crowder?

  That's dangerous. Pat, remember Pat White got knocked out? Who? Ike.

• 36:00Ryan Clark?

  Ike.

• 36:01Channing Crowder?

  Ike destroyed Pat. That's not funny. Pat was asleep on the field. He woke up on the turnpike headed to the hospital. The next day, I wouldn't say we, I put on myself, I brought pillows and covers and blankets and piled them up in his locker because I thought, are you still asleep? That's funny to me, and that's funny a lot. Everybody was like, Crowder, man, you stupid. I was like, man, the man went to sleep. I wanted to bring him some covers and pillows.

• 36:24Fred Taylor?

  It's not funny with the CTE stuff going, you know what I'm saying? Like when you think big picture, what's going on in people and everything going on with the brain injuries, but to a teammate, to a boy like us, oh man, that's funny. And Pat walked in like, he like, see man, you so stupid. I'm like, bro.

• 36:39Ryan Clark?

  And also too though, like in that, in that environment, I know you've probably been sleep like me, or you understand it, so it's funny. When you do it in front of other people, now you letting house business out. And the way we grow up, a lot of us is, your mama telling you, don't talk about what goes on in this house out there, right? People ain't supposed to be a part of that. And so I think like, that was the hard part, but I get it. Like I, I truly get it. And I thought it was great, and I thought it was funny, and I thought it was well put together, and I thought it was like, a myriad of talented people, and also like, I couldn't imagine having to be on that stage, on Netflix, in the Forum, with all those people. Like I thought Gronk was great, because he was just Gronk.

• 37:20Fred Taylor?

  Yeah.

• 37:21Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying? Like I thought, I thought Bill Belichick was amazing.

• 37:24Fred Taylor?

  Wow.

• 37:25Ryan Clark?

  Right? Like he just got up there, and he was still Bill, and it was still awkward, you know what I'm saying? But it was still like, he looks at Rodney Harrison, and he's like, man, the biggest joke is that you're not in the Hall of Fame. I couldn't imagine having somebody say that, that man say that about me in that Forum.

• 37:41Fred Taylor?

  Right.

• 37:41Ryan Clark?

  You know what I'm saying? So I thought that like, all that was cool, but I just thought, you know, some of the stuff is like, goes too far.

• 37:49Fred Taylor?

  Danny Amendola caught a lot of strays. He caught a lot of strays in it. But I think, you know, just coming from the whole thing, man, we're so used to that locker room vibe, having been in it for years, from Pop Warner all through. They tell you, you can't have thin skin in here, you can't be sensitive, you know, you gotta go out. Not that you have to just be tough, like that's part of the game, but from a mindset standpoint, it, it comes with the territory, man. We're so used to it, that's why I say, I, I wouldn't have a problem with the roast, because I'm, I'm, I'm used to being, you know, the butt of, of, of people's jokes. So I'm, I'm cool with it.

• 38:23Ryan Clark?

  I gotta flame you in the end though, then. Like how Tom, I'm with Tom. I gotta, in the end? I gotta go ham because all y'all that sit up here for three hours. What's what? What'd he say? Pew pew. Hey, I gotta pew pew. You know, I don't care. Hey, I might lie. I don't care. I'm gonna make, I'm Tom Brady. People gonna think it's the truth anyway.

• 38:42Fred Taylor?

  They gonna believe it.

• 38:42Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I'm going.

• 38:43Fred Taylor?

  Did a good job.

• 38:44Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, I think, and I also believe that football players would be better than that than basketball players. But Austin Rivers, who I actually like, man, met him in the green room, super cool dude. Said that he could take a 30 NBA players right now that could play in the NFL.

• 39:04Ryan Clark?

  Do y'all agree?

• 39:05Fred Taylor?

  I don't want to talk about the wrath beef for an extended period. But it seems that it took Kendrick. It took Kendrick to kind of build up his courage to go at Drake in the sense that he's gone at Drake. After forming this team of superheroes.

• 39:26Fred Taylor?

  For Austin Rivers to make those comments, it seems that the rules of the NFL had to change. For him to say all these basketball players can play now. They're gonna play receiver. They're gonna get on the defensive side and defend the Hail Mary in the end zone. We don't hit receivers no more. That's the only position I believe they can play. So his comment might be valid in some, in some sense. But I believe there are some, there, I don't know if it's 30 NFL guys that can play in the NBA. But it's some guys that can get in there. If we're talking about hacking and, and some guys are definitely skilled enough to go play. But I don't, I don't.

• 40:04Ryan Clark?

  That's what it is.

• 40:05Fred Taylor?

  I just think he, you can find 30 NBA guys too. Go and play in the NFL.

• 40:10Ryan Clark?

  No, you can't.

• 40:11Fred Taylor?

  For situationally.

• 40:12Ryan Clark?

  You can find NBA players that are physically talented enough to play in the NFL. But, bro, a jump ball in the back of the end zone.

• 40:22Channing Crowder?

  They could do that.

• 40:23Fred Taylor?

  That's situationally.

• 40:24Channing Crowder?

  Yeah, they could do that.

• 40:26Fred Taylor?

  The grind, can you, can you make it through training camp? Can you make it through that 90 degrees, 100 degrees, 110 with all of the fans in humidity in Florida? In September, uh, uh, training camp in August, can you do that? Can you play outside in Green Bay or in Chicago in December, January? Can you do that? Like now we kick into the mental toughness aspect of it all. Can they transition to that part? Because you can run up and down a court, you got great conditioning, great stamina, we know that. You're playing in, in 75 or 65 degree, the entire game, the entire season. Can you do that? So, I mean, I, I don't know, it's a good debate, you know, but I don't know.

• 41:08Channing Crowder?

  The crossover either way, there are some super talented NBA players, super physically talented NBA players, and there's super physically talented NFL players. But to make that crossover, I think it's disrespectful. And I joked about it, when like when Austin Rivers had a little picture, he holding his chain, I was like, not looking like that, you about to play in the NFL, I don't know that little stance. It's the thing, and Freddie, I know what you're saying situationally, I'm saying this. Okay, you gonna go do a jump ball, right? That jump ball thing, situation. But now Ryan Clark's about to come and eat them ribs up. You might catch that ball, but you about to get all of this, what was you, 2, 205? On a good day. On a good day, I try to get a little love today. On a good day.

• 41:51Channing Crowder?

  You about to get 205 in the ribs. Three, four, five, six, seven times a day? That's the part of it, that's the physical side of it that I don't want to know. That whole LeBron thing, he had a, he had a commercial about he over there running tight end and catching them and all. LeBron would be a stupid tight end until one of these crazy safeties come and jam his forehead into his chin. Charles Barkley talked about it on our show. Charles Barkley just talked about it recently with, uh, T'Kao and them, on the Behind the Mask.

• 42:22Fred Taylor?

  Okay.

• 42:22Channing Crowder?

  He said, I went out there. And they put me at D tackle and I jammed my head into another man's head over and over and over again. I gave my pads back. I say it all the time. It's a saying, I didn't make it up. Football has made a lot of basketball players, and I'm not calling them solved.

• 42:39Fred Taylor?

  The Oklahoma drill.

• 42:40Channing Crowder?

  I'm just saying that it's a different type sport and it's a different type mentality. It doesn't have to do with speed, height, vertical. It has to do with wanting to physically dominate another dude and having the opportunity every play that another man is gonna jam his forehead into your chin and you have to deal with that. They throw the flag. You didn't care?

• 43:00Ryan Clark?

  No, I wouldn't trip on that.

• 43:01Channing Crowder?

  I saw him get flagged. They made a mixtape about him getting flagged. He did not care. Do they wanna deal with that, getting jammed in their chin five, six times a game?

• 43:13Fred Taylor?

  That's why I led with the rules, the changes. Nowadays, I can probably agree with that comment from him. If you put him in that era, Donovan Darius era, all of those guys, those hitters?

• 43:25Channing Crowder?

  Yeah.

• 43:26Fred Taylor?

  Fuck no.

• 43:27Ryan Clark?

  The thing, alright, so, we're not saying who they could be in each sport. Right? Like, there are basketball players who are on the 15-man roster, I believe it is, who average two points or one point and get rebounds and stuff like that. You know, you look at guys like Devonte, who was a great high school basketball player, Max Crosby, who still hoops now. Like, they could do some of those role-player things. Right? Like, what happens is, these sports pick us. It's a reason we look at Kyrie and Chris Paul and Stephen Curry like we do. First off, Stephen Curry's four inches taller than me. He just don't look like it, because everybody out there is seven foot. The games pick us. Right?

• 44:09Ryan Clark?

  Like, if you're 5' 11" or 6' foot, you better go play football. If you're a 6' 4" power forward or shooting guard and you ain't great at it, go try football, because at 6' 4" you are a unicorn at most positions. Like, that's what happens. Like, that's the... But, period, point-blank, basketball don't have a Deion.

• 44:32Ryan Clark?

  Basketball don't have a Bo Jackson, right? Like basketball don't have guys like Odell Beckham Jr. and Malik Neighbors. Basketball don't have a dude that could go run 4-3, that could bench 225, 15 times. They got a 42-inch vertical without taking that little sissy sorry step that they get to take when they test their vertical at the combine. Like basketball don't have that dude. Basketball don't have Odell that could go pick up a soccer ball, that could go play in a softball charity game, hit that over the fence. Like basketball doesn't have that dude. I don't care what you say. Yes, Kevin Durant's good at basketball because he's ultimately skilled, but he's seven foot. I get it. Like those, like those things pick us in these sports. You know what I'm saying?

• 45:17Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, you know, they talk about like the Jimmy Grahams and Antonio Gates's and the Tony Gonzalez's, the Julius Peppers. Like all of those guys played both sports, ended up playing football because they weren't that tall, right? Charlie Ward, who won a Heisman, ends up playing in basketball for over a decade. Ronald Curry went to North Carolina. He did both. And so, like, nobody comes to play football who's never played football before that's a Hooper. They've all played at some point in their life. Because building up who we have to be for football, that's a callus that you have to build, right? Like it started at Oklahoma drills when I was six years old. We had no business doing it. And I was the one person that ran to the front of the line because I loved running people over. And I was like, if you get, if you get me,

• 46:02Ryan Clark?

  if you get me when I'm on defense in this drill, I'm watching, I'm watching the line. And when you get back to the front, I'm skipping everybody. If I, if I'm not lined up where you are, that's a mentality, bro, that you're born with that and then you build on it each and every year. They ain't that. Like part of, like their mentality is that flopping is a good thing. I can't walk down the street and have somebody bump me and I flop. I'm not finna act like you hurt me. If you bump me, I'm finna try to walk back around and swing the bench so I can bump you again. Like, that's part of the mentality. And so, are there some people there who are probably skilled enough? Yes, they are.

• 46:44Ryan Clark?

  But you mean to tell me, like, you're picking, you gotta pick like a Russell. You gotta pick a healthy Derrick Rose. Because if you give me anybody, maybe Anthony Edwards, you give me anybody 6'6" or taller and slim, I'm gonna split him in half so many times. He can't get low enough. So many times, he's gonna choose to do something else with his life. But on the basketball side of it, yeah, most of us can't just go do that because most of us aren't tall enough. And it's such a game of skill, but like, I didn't find it disrespectful by Austin. Like, he's talking about like, the athletes that are there, you know, and I get it. But he also has to think about the culture of the humans. Period, point blank.

• 47:27Ryan Clark?

  The reason, the reason Draymond, right, is thought of as such of a goon in basketball is because he'll fight, and he'll push, and he'll grab, and he won't do all the flopping. Like, he has like a, Draymond Green would be one of those guys, we like, okay, he has a football mentality. Let me tell you what happened to Draymond Green when he went out to try to play football at Michigan State. He got his ass ass choked out, and he realized, they are all like me. All of these mother effers out here is crazy. And Michigan State wasn't eating that good. Yeah, yeah. Right? And so, my point is this, I get it.

• 48:07Ryan Clark?

  Athletically, some of y'all can do some of the things it would take to play certain positions. Emotionally and mentally, I would break you purposely. The day they sent you out there, the day they sent you out there, the first thing I would do, if you play receiver and I see you motion down in this Z crack, I'm gonna, I don't care if Freddie T got the ball, I'm gonna turn like this, right, I'm gonna look at you, and I'm gonna say to myself, I see Austin in your little light-skinned eyes, this is not what you want.

• 48:37Channing Crowder?

  None of that smoke.

• 48:38Ryan Clark?

  When I do it the first time, I'm gonna be like, well, okay, first time he was alright. Let's see you do the second time, and the third time, and the fourth time, and the fifth time. And so, I think it's a great discussion, and I don't know what football players I'll pick that could go play basketball, but the bottom line is, I believe we are more athletic humans, because I think we can do more, and I believe the basketball part of it is a skill thing developed over time, as it is like the mentality of what we do.

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• 50:07Ryan Clark?

  You mentioned the rap beef, though, real quick, because it's over now, I think.

• 50:10Channing Crowder?

  Right, right.

• 50:10Ryan Clark?

  It's over.

• 50:11Channing Crowder?

  It better be.

• 50:12Ryan Clark?

  Who won?

• 50:13Channing Crowder?

  It better be.

• 50:15Ryan Clark?

  Why it better be over?

• 50:16Channing Crowder?

  Because Kendrick knocked him in the head five, six times, and Drake was throwing BBs at him. Drake was throwing cold peas at him, and Kendrick was bombing him.

• 50:28Channing Crowder?

  That's why he won.

• 50:29Fred Taylor?

  So.

• 50:30Channing Crowder?

  Kendrick.

• 50:30Fred Taylor?

  Chad, Chad, somebody with Deacon and Duncan. Kendrick was the 2007 Patriots. How this going over the top?

• 50:36Channing Crowder?

  He going over the top. Bro, Kendrick is a rapper. He raps, he was waiting for it. Drake is a performer. Drake is a nice person. Drake is a dancer and Drake's a ladies man and all. He calls himself the boy and all. Everything that Kendrick said, it hits you like, oh yeah, that's what it is. Drake is very talented. Kendrick's a rapper. I don't know how the hell Kendrick was putting out these albums this fast. He only put out four in a day and a half?

• 51:06Fred Taylor?

  I'm glad you said what you just said about the 2007 Patriots. Kendrick had Drake's entire playbook. He had his playbook. He was more strategic and he executed, right? If you look at how he released those songs, he knew what was coming from Drake's side. Even Drake came back and said, well, we fed you a lot of this stuff. He all, he had other information prior to. Everybody wondered why when Drake dropped, what was it, Push Ups? I think that was the first one off like that. He dropped Push Ups. Everybody like, where's Kendrick? It took two, three weeks to respond, but he came back in a flurry. Right? He had already, they talked about the mole, somebody in Drake's camp. He was fed a lot of information.

• 51:50Fred Taylor?

  He had already done all of his homework and research. So when Drake dropped Family Matter.

• 51:54Channing Crowder?

  Beat the ground.

• 51:55Fred Taylor?

  He knew what was coming. He had his playbook. So you ask me who won? Kendrick won. But Kendrick also was aided. Like he had the playbook already. So it was entertaining.

• 52:08Channing Crowder?

  I don't give a mother ever. I'll take Spygate and Deflategate for two Super Bowls.

• 52:12Fred Taylor?

  He was aided. He was aided. We're talking about the art of war, right? The art of war and ain't no rules. And he took it to his advantage. And then he topped it off by saying, I'm bringing the West Coast back. All those little subtle jabs, you can't go to Oakland. That's where your, your, your tour day stopped. You can't do this. That right there, it goes from, we talked about personal and keeping it friendly. It went past that so long ago. Now you're talking about, you're talking about shrapnel. All this other stuff, what happened with the friendly rap beef? You can't tell a fanatic fan of Freddie T what to do, how to handle you in the streets if you say something about me.

• 52:52Fred Taylor?

  That's the residual effect. There's gonna be some other shit that come from this that, that's the part that I'm concerned about because it shouldn't have to go there.

• 53:00Channing Crowder?

  I don't know if it had to do with old boy getting shot Drake's house. That disgusted me. We saw Biggie, we saw Pac, we saw, like, if you gonna just battle, if you're really gonna lyrically battle, lyrically battle. And don't get your feelings hurt. It goes back to the Tom Brady roast. Like, if you're gonna throw words, let's throw words, let's throw words. Everybody throw words, you can upset me, I'm upset. Don't get to shooting up people, don't get to killing talented people, don't get that. When I saw that thing, and I don't know if Kendrick was a part, I don't wanna say anything like that. But even if it's somebody that doesn't know Kendrick and you think this is the direction to go, that's sad to me and that upset me when I was like, when they're trying to correlate the rap battle to Drake's security guard getting shot. I hate that.

• 53:43Ryan Clark?

  Well, I think rap battles and beef is like the foundation of hip-hop. And that's why everybody was so excited about it. You know, you take it back, I remember, you know, if you're talking about my time, like Kumo D and LL Cool J. You know, my cousin was a huge LL Cool J fan. Cannabis, LL Cool J, you got Ice Cube and NWA, you got Eazy-E and Dr. Dre, obviously Tupac and Biggie. And the tragic way that we feel like that ended because of where it started. And then you got, to me, the most, the biggest one ever was Jay-Z and Nas.

• 54:21Ryan Clark?

  Right? They gave you the takeover and Ether. But then, when it got to Super Ugly, which is what Drake, which is what Jay did in response, he was even like, okay, this went too far. But you're remembering the takeover, it got personal, cuz he was like, cuz you know you know who, did you know what, well, you know who, let's keep that between me and you. Right? So like, that's always sort of been the foundation of it. And like, when you go to this, when you're talking about Drake and Kendrick, I think the rap battle went according to their personalities. If you would ask people why they like Drake, you know, especially, you know, you think of women or you think of men, he seems like a very vulnerable, open and emotional human. And he shares those things. Kendrick is a very thoughtful and methodical human.

• 55:06Ryan Clark?

  His albums say it, because his albums aren't for the people. Right. Right? Like, he gave us Good Kid Mad City because that's where he was. He gave us The Pimp a Butterfly, which was like, social commentary, because it led into everything else we got. He won a Pulitzer with Damn, Mr. Morale is Totally Different. Because he's not really making that for us. That's the music that he fills in his soul. Drake is making music for the people. And Drake kind of approached this for the people. Kendrick approached this as I'm gonna attack Drake. Which is why he wins. Uh, I think the other thing, I think Euphoria was an absolute masterpiece. But I think Meet the Grams is like the most thoughtful and methodically written diss track ever. It's like a therapeutic apology to all the people who are close to him.

• 55:51Ryan Clark?

  Like, I'm actually sorry that you're a part of this guy's life or that he's a part of your life. You know what I'm saying? Like, we had just never dealt with anything like that. And on the back end of it though, man, like, I don't know if like, people painting on Drake stuff, or Drake's security guard, and all of those things happening are a part of this. The sad part is,

• 56:12Ryan Clark?

  for people who want to be negative about our culture, for people who want to point to the way that we tear one another down, this is gonna be like an extra layer of ammunition for them. And so like, that's the only thing, I pray, you know, it's like, think about like, elected officials and people we champion and people we're fans of. They empower their fanbase by their popularity, by their successes. You know, we've seen it even in the presidential office. And if the wrong people are empowered in the wrong way, there's a negativity that now...

• 56:51Ryan Clark?

  Starts with the apex, or starts with the sun that is now a part of the orbit, right, that tears down the whole galaxy. And so like, that's the part of it that, you know, that I don't love. That's the part of it that I think is sad. And so I hope that those things aren't, you know, connected to it.

• 57:09Fred Taylor?

  I, I think the bigger picture too, is who are the real winners in all of it? Look at the labels, these, these companies. You know, the amount of money that they're gonna see from all this extra attention. Even when a lot of these guys that are involved, when their sales weren't doing great in their, their views and all this stuff, the streaming, those numbers have jumped through the roof. You go on Apple, Apple has a playlist, Best Rap diss tracks. And it has a lot of those tracks. You made me thought about it, The Takeover, Roxanne Shanté, the LL, Who Shot Ya? Biggie, like, it has all this stuff. So, these people have identified these guys as, they, they've hitched themselves to this bandwagon,

• 57:49Fred Taylor?

  where they can capitalize and hopefully, at these guys' expense, no one lose their lives. And, and I think I can shut it down by saying that.

• 57:57Ryan Clark?

  Yeah, well, this was a great show. Again, Freddie T, congratulations. And on Tuesday, we have a huge announcement for The Pivot. Not gonna give you no more than that. Stay tuned. What I wanna say is, thank you guys for supporting us through our mixtape era.

• 58:21Fred Taylor?

  And I wanna say this too, y'all subscribe. Y'all be watching, ain't subscribed, go subscribe. Subscribe, subscribe.

• 58:28Ryan Clark?

  Later, guys.

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